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Zook
19th September 2010, 13:51
Dear fellow Avalonians,

I would like to hear your views on this politically-charged term. What is the first thing that goes through your mind when you hear someone cry out "AntiSemitism!"? Your first reaction? Mine is unmitigated disgust. IMO, it's a word thrown about mostly by perpetrators of crimes, rarely, by victims. In short, a false flag appeal on behalf of Zionists, the vast majority of whom are not even Semitic in origin, having flooded the Levant at the behest of the Rothschilds (in the duty of the latter's occult-driven, multistep, Illuminati plan for full spectrum planetary dominance).

Shouldn't the logical cry be "Anti-Zionism!"? Of course it should. But Zionists bear little resemblance to victims and wouldn't garner much sympathy if they howled for it. By contrast, Semites bear every resemblance to victims. Which makes more sense then, the perpetrator crying foul? Or the victim crying foul? Ans: the victim.

But if howling gets him nowhere, how can the perpetrator ever procure sympathy? How does the wolf ever procure sympathy? Ans: by dressing in sheep's wool and bleating for it!


Cheers
Uncle Zook

Dale
19th September 2010, 14:13
Quite an interesting observation!

I haven't studied all too much about Semitic peoples, but from what I do know, the term "Semitic" describes a wide array of groups and races. Of course, in modern times, if one is labeled as "Anti-Semitic," they're "Anti-Jewish."


But if howling gets him nowhere, how can the perpetrator ever procure sympathy? How does the wolf ever procure sympathy? Ans: by dressing in sheep's wool and bleating for it!

Infiltration seems to be the name of the game, but then, how would I know :p

Luke
19th September 2010, 16:31
IIRC "semitic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semite)" describe language groups that dwell in Middle East and north Africa. So theoretically both Jewish and Palestinian are Semites. Strange case of singling out :)
Now to victims. The "besieged fortress" mentality every Citizen of Israel is taught from day 1 is based on (1) pogroms in general (2) Holocaust in particular. What they seem to miss is large part of that victimization was precisely such mentality. Jews were simply easy targets: all in one place, usually wealthy (even if relative to general population) and by own choice alienated. Of course this should not be counted as some sort of apology .. But in a world when mobs can be steered on any target , painting on on your chest is not clever choice, imo. Sadly, they often had no choice, again, kings borrowed from Jewish bankers and could not pay back ... easy to see what was going on.
Now, Zionism originally stemmed from idea to get all the Jews out of places where pogroms were real danger, give them one place to thrive on.
But as we see, they only traded one besieged fortress for another. Wonder why ?
Only difference is now they are armed. But so are their enemies, and in the end, sadly, I see just another funeral pyre .. or sacrificial altar. The second USA say it stops support, Israel is toast. But then is Israel equals Jews?

For me cry of "Anti-Semitism" just as any other "HateCrime" just makes effect precisely opposite than supposedly intended. I'd say by design.
Though I've met quite a few people that blamed Jews for all evil in the world, including grotesque children-murdering. Those are dangerous people, but I know they will gladly point to anybody else in same manner, as long as it will not involve opening eyes and figuring out what is really causing what. For such, Jews are simply traditional targets of opportunity. I'd say it's very dangerous personality trait, that should be dealt with, not particular target of choice.

Fredkc
19th September 2010, 17:35
But as we see, they only traded one besieged fortress for another. Wonder why ?
"Wherever I go, I take myself along. And that spoils everything!"

And I agree. To me both sides are playing this to the hilt. Their reasons are their problem.

"Jew/Not-Jew", "Pro, & Con Jew" all are just methods of forcing people into one camp or another in a game of "Let's you and him fight!" Justification for bad behavior, based upon a carefully crafted "Them".

Where is Gort, when we really need him?
Fred

Arpheus
19th September 2010, 21:39
Don't get me going please,if you do some research you will find out that not a single zionist is a real jew to begin with,and that expression was created by the zionists just so they can target people and do their dirty job whenever needed,i watched a video once of this older guy speaking about this when ron paul was running for president,the guy is now dead,but he knew all about this stuff thats all he was talking about it,the 12 tribes of israel their origins and zionists,i was like wow this guy did his homework for sure,wish i had the video,i found the link in here somewhere a while back,i bet he was called anti semitic all the time and didnt give a crap about it.

Second Son
20th September 2010, 12:56
When I first heard the word "anti-semite", I guess my reaction was the same as most peoples'. I pictured in my mind's eye a neo-nazi who had nothing better to do than kick and entire race when they were down... so to speak.

My research (which usually started in seemingly unrelated areas I might add) seemed to invariably come around to the Jews. It was because one cannot look into any world shaping event without the Jews being heavily involved. So my research has unearthed many facts, some of which are already mentioned here, but to summarize: Jews are not a race, nor an ethnic group but a religion. I know this is not a big newsflash to most people here, but many people don't know this. Judaism is the religion which takes the "us and them" mentality to new heights... these guys wrote the book in fact. They have been such huge proponents of separatism for so long, that they may in fact have been the cause of some of their own bad press. The majority of Jews today, some 94%, are Ashkenazi Jews, aryan Turks descended from the Kazars, who were forced to convert in 740 AD. Though they were a targeted group of the Nazis, the number of Jews who died in concentration camps is MUCH lower than the media would have us know... in fact more German civilians died at the hands of the Allies.

Here is a great link. Don't let the fact that it is shot on a camcorder by a kid barely out of his teens color your judgement. It is well researched, well presented, and hey, he is a Jew. Peace out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXKHw0EZrqM

Zook
24th September 2010, 14:54
Hi Second Son,


When I first heard the word "anti-semite", I guess my reaction was the same as most peoples'. I pictured in my mind's eye a neo-nazi who had nothing better to do than kick and entire race when they were down... so to speak.

My research (which usually started in seemingly unrelated areas I might add) seemed to invariably come around to the Jews. It was because one cannot look into any world shaping event without the Jews being heavily involved. So my research has unearthed many facts, some of which are already mentioned here, but to summarize: Jews are not a race, nor an ethnic group but a religion. I know this is not a big newsflash to most people here, but many people don't know this. Judaism is the religion which takes the "us and them" mentality to new heights... these guys wrote the book in fact. They have been such huge proponents of separatism for so long, that they may in fact have been the cause of some of their own bad press. The majority of Jews today, some 94%, are Ashkenazi Jews, aryan Turks descended from the Kazars, who were forced to convert in 740 AD. Though they were a targeted group of the Nazis, the number of Jews who died in concentration camps is MUCH lower than the media would have us know... in fact more German civilians died at the hands of the Allies.

Here is a great link. Don't let the fact that it is shot on a camcorder by a kid barely out of his teens color your judgement. It is well researched, well presented, and hey, he is a Jew. Peace out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXKHw0EZrqM

Excellent info! David Cole was a precocious young man in the 1990's. Hope he is in a safe place. Cole makes a compelling argument for the real use of Zyklon B (e.g. lice control) as opposed to the ubiquitous MSM-promoted understanding of gas chamber chemical. He also makes an excellent appeal for Holocaust accuracy. I googled more videos by Cole and came across this gem of a link (the young man, barely two decades in age, destroys Phil Donahue's emotive posturings and Holocaust pseudoscholar Michael Shermer's arguments by fallacy of appeal) ... if that kid ain't precocious then I'm a teapot short and stout. Anyways, here's the link :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ugVxGQ_sKc&feature=related

Near the end of the link, we come across a stunning revelation: an official plaque at Auschwitz in the 80's, states that some 4 million people were murdered at Auschwitz; a subsequent plaque in the 90's claims a much smaller figure of 1.5 million people! What's going on?? From the documentary's figure of a minimum of 960,000 Jews killed at Auschwitz plus 125,000 total prisoners of other nationalities, that's 88.5% Jewish victims. So the original Jewish tally would have to be adjusted to (0.885)x4 million or 3.54 million Jews killed at Aushchwitz. Subtracting, we get a difference between original official version of 3.54 million and revised official version of 0.96 million of some 2.58 million nonexistent Jewish deaths!

In the interests of accuracy, at the very least, the six million figure total Jewish victims of the putative Holocaust (often brandished as a weapon of conscience) has to be revised down to (6-2.58) = 3.42 million Jewish victims! This figure may have to be reduced even further if we assume that inaccurate original reporting at Auschwitz is not an isolated case; and that numerical exaggerations were made at all the death camps. Btw, it appears that the four million Auschwitz figure was provided by the Stalinist regime which was jointly fighting with the Allies against the Nazis, and so, would've had a vested interest in making the Germans appear even worse than the degree that they were.

Question begs ... why does the western establishment media still promote the six million perished Jews figure when at most the figure can be is 3.42 million, and after factoring in the Soviet propensity for exaggeration (truth is the first casualty of war), more likely to be significantly less?

To you folks out there that still munch on prepared pasture grasses, if 9/11/2001 hasn't warned you yet about the MSM's alacrity for spreading lies; then perhaps a closer look at the Holocaust (and Holocaust reporting) may shake you yet from your plushAsAPillow, dumbAsADoorknob reverie.

Thanx for the link, Second Son!

Cheers
Uncle Zook

Second Son
25th September 2010, 00:18
Zook... my memory is pretty much shot, but if it serves me even a little, I recall looking at the actual death log of Auschwitz. I imagine some were summarily executed for being non-complient, but most died of natural causes, the total number being less than 70,000. As for still throwing around numbers of 3-4 million based upon nothing but war propaganda with nothing whatsoever to back it up, c'mon unc., what gives?

I also saw the transcripts of an interview with a German POW who was interred long after the end of the war, as most German POW's were, who said he was given the option of taking on a job which would earn him extra rations, so with three fellow prisoners he accepted. The job??? To build an official looking "gas chamber" as well as a room which was to be a so called firing squad room. Initially they were in such a hurry to put the finishing touches on it that they used red paint for blood in the "firing squad room". They preliminary viewers were not convinced, so they POW's had to scrub it all off and I think they settled on animal blood. You just can't make this $hit up folks;)

Another tidbit... when the Jews decided they would pull out the holocaust card, the Russians were instructed to mass murder many Jews in both the Ukraine and Russia. Now some of these mass graves have been found, and a movie was even made of the Ukrainian Jews called "Defiance". So we have perhaps 100,000 Jews murdered in make shift gulags throughout Eastern Europe, BUT all by the Russians.

The one I like the best is the German officer who reported to Hamburg or Dresden (can't remember which) after the fire bombing. He loaded up countless flat bed trailers of dead civilians. The (official) total civilian casualties is in the tens of thousands, but history is written by the victors, and anyone who uses their heads knows it was probably more like a couple hundred thousand in each city. The clincher here is that the ladies of Dresden were remembered in a group of photos which were placed on the walls of the train station there. These brave German ladies were forced to travel by rail many miles (most with kids in tow because dad was either killed in battle or STILL in a POW camp) to buy food and other necessities. So later this German officer sees a propaganda film about the "holocaust" and notices that they are showing photos of the trailers of dead GERMAN civilians and calling them Jews. This guy recognized a lady, right down to the shoes she was wearing, a very heavy woman who he had trouble getting on to the trailer. Then he sees a photo of the same exact photo which had hung in the German train station for years! Except now the people are no longer German, they are poor Jewish mothers herded into cattle cars on their way to the "death camps".

For the record folks, I am saddened by all deaths in all wars... Jews, Gentiles, Germans, Gypsies, etc. War is brutal, and I give my condolences to all people who have lost loved ones to its carnage. But as long as the carnage continues in Gaza, is WW II really over???

Peace out!

RedeZra
25th September 2010, 01:12
Anti-Semitism is a not so well known jumbled acronym for...


how dare you question us

we were almost wiped out

be still n let us get what we want

a homeworld hehe

Second Son
25th September 2010, 01:20
There's nothing funny about throwing people in jail for "thought crimes" especially when a close look at the REAL facts would lead anyone to think the holocaust really didn't happen. People are getting locked up, losing their jobs, etc. This kind of thing will continue until they start throwing 911 "conspiracy theorists" in jail right hear in the good ole US of A.

Zook
25th September 2010, 01:21
Hi Second Son,


Zook... my memory is pretty much shot, but if it serves me even a little, I recall looking at the actual death log of Auschwitz. I imagine some were summarily executed for being non-complient, but most died of natural causes, the total number being less than 70,000. As for still throwing around numbers of 3-4 million based upon nothing but war propaganda with nothing whatsoever to back it up, c'mon unc., what gives?


I hear you! I'm merely underscoring the fact that based on the evidence at Auschwitz, the overall tally at most could be 3.42 million, not 6 million as is thrown about. My best intuition tells me that this number can be further reduced. But I'd first have to investigate each and every concentration camp before I attempt to make any further reductions.



I also saw the transcripts of an interview with a German POW who was interred long after the end of the war, as most German POW's were, who said he was given the option of taking on a job which would earn him extra rations, so with three fellow prisoners he accepted. The job??? To build an official looking "gas chamber" as well as a room which was to be a so called firing squad room. Initially they were in such a hurry to put the finishing touches on it that they used red paint for blood in the "firing squad room". They preliminary viewers were not convinced, so they POW's had to scrub it all off and I think they settled on animal blood. You just can't make this $hit up folks;)


Hearsay testimony is neutralized by the fact that both sides can produce such witnesses. Moreover, hearsay testimony assists Zionists in maintaining their 6 million murdered Jews posture. David Cole is to be commended because he produces clear scientific evidence that is immune to hearsay manipulations. E.g. blue stains (indicatiing Zyklon-B use) on the walls of delousing rooms and the lack of blue stains on the walls of alleged gas chambers, clearly pointing to an intent to benefit the health of prisoners (by delousing them), not to exterminate (by gassing them). Also, the two mutually contradicting Auschwitz plaques (one in the 80s promoting a figure of 4 million prisoner deaths; and the other in the 90s promoting a figure of 1.5 million prisoner deaths) are clear evidence of the lack of science in the first estimate (with science deriving the second estimate).

You may be correct. The final number of Jewish deaths in concentration camps could be very low indeed; with many of those perhaps even attributable to typhus and other diseases of slum living conditions. But we shouldn't hastily chop the number from its 3.42 million maximum without proper investigation, for that plays into the Zionist hands. Remember, truthseekers are scientists; as such, we must abide a greater standard of proof. Zionists are sleight-of-hand artists; as such, they have no standards to abide, just illusions to promote.




Another tidbit... when the Jews decided they would pull out the holocaust card, the Russians were instructed to mass murder many Jews in both the Ukraine and Russia. Now some of these mass graves have been found, and a movie was even made of the Ukrainian Jews called "Defiance". So we have perhaps 100,000 Jews murdered in make shift gulags throughout Eastern Europe, BUT all by the Russians.

The one I like the best is the German officer who reported to Hamburg or Dresden (can't remember which) after the fire bombing. He loaded up countless flat bed trailers of dead civilians. The (official) total civilian casualties is in the tens of thousands, but history is written by the victors, and anyone who uses their heads knows it was probably more like a couple hundred thousand in each city. The clincher here is that the ladies of Dresden were remembered in a group of photos which were placed on the walls of the train station there. These brave German ladies were forced to travel by rail many miles (most with kids in tow because dad was either killed in battle or STILL in a POW camp) to buy food and other necessities. So later this German officer sees a propaganda film about the "holocaust" and notices that they are showing photos of the trailers of dead GERMAN civilians and calling them Jews. This guy recognized a lady, right down to the shoes she was wearing, a very heavy woman who he had trouble getting on to the trailer. Then he sees a photo of the same exact photo which had hung in the German train station for years! Except now the people are no longer German, they are poor Jewish mothers herded into cattle cars on their way to the "death camps".

For the record folks, I am saddened by all deaths in all wars... Jews, Gentiles, Germans, Gypsies, etc. War is brutal, and I give my condolences to all people who have lost loved ones to its carnage. But as long as the carnage continues in Gaza, is WW II really over???

Peace out!

I hear ya, Second Son. It's time we opened up the case of the Holocaust to the full light of the 21st century day. 9/11/2001 tells us that mainstream media are gifted in authoring and promoting fictional works. Let's get some nonfiction on the bookshelves!



Cheers
Uncle Zook

RedeZra
25th September 2010, 01:37
There's nothing funny about throwing people in jail for "thought crimes"...

no there is nothing funny about Zionism at all not for the goyim anyway

if you don't know goyim then you're probably one ;)

Luke
25th September 2010, 18:49
Russia and Jews is another topic worth watching. apart from WWII, there were long tradition of pogroms on Jews in Tsarist times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Jewish_pogroms_in_the_Russian_Empire), with peak about 1900's .. then active participation of Jews in October Revolution .. then their ousting, and then a purge of Jews from Eastern Block in 1968, which fuelled Zionist agenda with influx of established scientist .. and then waves of repatriations from Russia in early 90's, this time mostly young people...

About Holocaust - One need to understand that most of concentration camps were forced labour kind, not extermination ones.
Extermination camps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp) were created in 1942, under codename "Einsatz Reinhard" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Reinhard), supposedly after base plan for Jew relocation was deemed infeasible. There were 3 camps for this operation - Treblinka, Belżec, Sobibór (some researchers add Majdanek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majdanek) camp, though it was forced labour mainly, and Chelmno (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelmno_extermination_camp) facility, which used gas chamber cars). Official toll for "Reinhard" is about 1.5 - 2 million lives.Most camps ceased operated during 1942- 1943 years.. Note that in cases of Sobibor camp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobibor_extermination_camp), Treblinka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka_extermination_camp) and Belzec (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Be%C5%82%C5%BCec_extermination_camp) there are no claims of using Zyklon, only petrol engine exhaust gasses.
In most of this camps there were uprising leading to escape of some of prisoners.
After 1943 the only functioning extermination camp was newly built Birkenau (Auschwitz II) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp#Auschwitz_II-Birkenau), with Chelmo working from only for short period in 1945. Birkenau is only extermination camp where Zyklon is claimed to be used on large scale. What is now shown as gas chambers are parts of so called Crematorium II, III, IV and V. Crematory II and II were designed as mortuary, with gas chambers being adaptation of pre-existing rooms. IV and V being designs specially intended for that role. Estimated death toll was 1.1 million lives, including 960 thousand Jews. The technical details are sketchy, especially given German penchant for overengineering things, but one thing for sure - this facilities operated, though not on scale and in a manner that is presented to popular audience. For me it also meshes with nearby infamous "Buna Werke" (Auschwitz III) with connection to exotic technology . And Zyklon means Cyclone.
The 6 million number is for all Jews killed during WWII in whole Europe. The systematic killing/cleansing is estimated at 11-17 million, which means Jew deaths are 35-54% of all civilian lives extinguished by Nazis.
even Wikipedia states : (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp)

The estimated total number of people killed in these camps is 2,814,500:

* Auschwitz–Birkenau: about 1,100,000 [10]
* Treblinka: about 700,000–800,000. The Höfle Telegram indicates some 700,000 killed by 31 December 1942, yet the camp functioned until 1943, hence the true deaths total likely is greater.[11]
* Bełżec: about 434,500 [12]
* Sobibór: about 167,000–250,000 [13]
* Chełmno: about 152,000 [14]
* Majdanek: 78,000 [15]

The approximate total numbers of people killed in the lesser-known death camps, vary between 85,000 to 600,000 at the Jasenovac concentration camp in Yugoslavia.[16] At the Maly Trostenets extermination camp in Belarus, USSR, some 65,000 Jews were killed, whilst the number of gentiles (non-Jews, i.e. Communists, priests, soldiers, et al.) varies between 100,000 to 400,000.[17]

Zook
25th September 2010, 19:43
Hi SaiCO,



[...]
The 6 million number is for all Jews killed during WWII in whole Europe. The systematic killing/cleansing is estimated at 11-17 million, which means Jew deaths are 35-54% of all civilian lives extinguished by Nazis.
even Wikipedia states : (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp)

The six million number includes the original errant four million estimate of Auschwitz prisoner deaths. After correcting the Auschwitz number down to 960,000 Jews plus people of other nationalitiies, we arrive at the current Auschwitz plaque number of 1.5 million persons killed. So the question begs, when the Auschwitz numbers were changed, why hasn't the original six million figure changed? I did the math earlier and arrived at a maximum total Jewish deaths at 3.42 million. This, given the inaccurate reporting at Auschwitz (courtesy of the Russian war propaganda machine which had a vested interest in demonizing the Nazis and maximizing Nazi atrocities, as David Cole eloquently claims). Here, we haven't even begun the investigation of other concentration camps (to arrive at this potential maximum total of 3.42 million). [3.42/6]x[35 to 54]% = 20-31% as a maximum percentage. So it is likely that the final number is even lower.

Nor have we investigated the circumstances of the deaths at any of the camps. How big a factor were natural diseases? What was the method of extermination, if indeed, a plan of final solution was being attempted? When we're shown corpses of unfortunate souls piled on top of each other, without dignity or justice, are the photos really evidence of what is being claimed? Is it at all possible that typhus deaths are being promoted as extermination deaths? Were the camps comnparable to Japanese internment camps in the US? You will agree that these are some of the questions that need to be asked, not buried deep underground in a radioactive box with other forbidden knowledge.

The people who died in those camps (Jews and nonJews) are only honored by the facts; not by the promotions. In their memory, we must go after the facts, not settle for the promotions. Especially when the promotions are being made by the same mendacious newspipes that have given us lie after lie about 9/11/2001, not to mention lies about vaccines, wars, and democratic governance (etc.). There really is no righteous thing as forbidden knowledge. Those that seek to confine knowledge in any degree, remain the biggest threat to humanity. MHO,OC.


Cheers
Uncle Zook

Luke
25th September 2010, 21:59
You will agree that these are some of the questions that need to be asked, not buried deep underground in a radioactive box with other forbidden knowledge.

The people who died in those camps (Jews and nonJews) are only honored by the facts; not by the promotions. In their memory, we must go after the facts, not settle for the promotions. Especially when the promotions are being made by the same mendacious newspipes that have given us lie after lie about 9/11/2001, not to mention lies about vaccines, wars, and democratic governance (etc.). There really is no righteous thing as forbidden knowledge. Those that seek to confine knowledge in any degree, remain the biggest threat to humanity. MHO,OC.
Think it was Napoleon who said that "History is set of lies agreed upon".
All those peoples lives deserve the truth.
In my mind though, just as in 911 case, "How's" are of lesser importance than "Why". It is the answer to why question that shapes the world we live in.
Important why's:
1) why "Shoah"(calamity) is referred in the popular mind as "Holocaust" , a "whole-body burning offer to gods"
2) why we observe a visible spike in anti-Jewish sentiment worldwide after the publication "The Descent of Man"? Why does it coincide with start eugenic efforts in US?
3) why both pan-slavic idea (that was turned into communism) and pan-germanic idea (that was turned into nazism), both turned socialistic and anti-Jewish? Why despite similar ideology and methods are they portrayed as "entirely dissimilar" to popular viewer?
4) why people choosen to follow those ideologies? Why idea of sacrificing somebody for your own good is such deeply rooted?
5) What about elites of both German and Russian empires, why they allowed to such animosity to spread, while on their level being one big happy family? How does it relate to current wars between nations?
6) Why it is that Jewish people become hoodwinked into virtually reenacting methods used against them during WWII against Palestinians? (walling-in, settlements/lebensraum, Gaza strip ghetto, collective responsibility, anti-guerilla warfare?)
And those are only start.
And I will not settle for "It's them reptilians" for an answer.

Zook
26th September 2010, 01:55
Hi SaiCO,


Think it was Napoleon who said that "History is set of lies agreed upon".
All those peoples lives deserve the truth.


Indeed.



In my mind though, just as in 911 case, "How's" are of lesser importance than "Why". It is the answer to why question that shapes the world we live in.


My mind works differently. I look at things in gestalt. How's, Why's, Who's, Wherefore's, etc. are all workers in the division of labor in the investigative process. Having said that, let me indulge your approach.



Important why's:
1) why "Shoah"(calamity) is referred in the popular mind as "Holocaust" , a "whole-body burning offer to gods"


When the occult and/or the terminology of the occult is brought in, I have no arguments to offer, merely conjecture. For your question above, I 'm not versed enough to offer even that.



2) why we observe a visible spike in anti-Jewish sentiment worldwide after the publication "The Descent of Man"? Why does it coincide with start eugenic efforts in US?


I'm not sure anti-Semitism was a political shibboleth back then. My best guess is that the term was mistakenly coined by an arguable ignoramus/racist (who probably saw Semitic peoples (Jews, primarily, but also Arabs) as a race apart and inferior to the so-called Aryan race. There's too much material to read, and too many suspect historians to vet, that any attempt to understand how the coinage "antiSemitism" was being promoted in the early days, can only be done with a scholar's lens. Even then, the coinage did not become a political shibboleth until very recently. The use of the shibboleth is what should concern us, IMO.



3) why both pan-slavic idea (that was turned into communism) and pan-germanic idea (that was turned into nazism), both turned socialistic and anti-Jewish? Why despite similar ideology and methods are they portrayed as "entirely dissimilar" to popular viewer?


I'm not sure I share your reading of the historical record. Mordechai Levi a.k.a Karl Marx was funded by the banksters (via Friedrich Engels). Noted plagiarists both, they were commissioned by the banksters of their era, to destabilize the monarchies of Europe (e.g. so that the banksters could invaginate themselves into the monarchial order). Centralization of credit is a key Marxist theme. Central banking is a key bankster meme. Coincidence or symmetry by design? Of course, other key players in the nascent communist movement had also chosen fake names ... Lev Bronstein a.k.a Leo Trotsky; Vladimir Ilyitch Ulyanov a.k.a Vladimir Lenin; Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili a.k.a Josef Stalin. Why the secrecy? In any event, communism is primarily a nonSemitic Jewish movement. A better word to describe nonSemitic Jews, at least for the purpose of this discussion, is protoZionists. I use the qualifier because not all nonSemitic Jews are Zionists.
http://www.heretical.com/miscellx/melenin.html

... and about Hitler (genetically a Shicklgruber). There are credible historical records that suggest that Hitler was a protoZionist (please research Hitler`s origins):
http://www.reformation.org/hitler.html

In short, Communism and Nazism were both bankster-designed movements. Most of the important banksters of the time were protoZionists.




4) why people choosen to follow those ideologies? Why idea of sacrificing somebody for your own good is such deeply rooted?


I can only hazard a guess. Most protoZionists have ancestry tracking to the nonSemitic Khazars of Eurasia. Perhaps fighting, deceiving, and sacrificing peoples was a method of survival for them ... remember they had to deal with psychopaths like Vlad the Impaler. But that`s a weak guess. A stronger guess is that the Khazars are no different from any other peoples on the Earth. The vast majority of them are probably good people, just like you would find in any human subgroup. Even the Zionists have many, many innocent dupes in their ranks. Having said that, the scum tends to rise to the top. And if they are organized well enough, even a dearth of numbers can be overcome with guile and deception ... and an absence of conscience in the leadership. Hitler was a psychopath. That doesn`t mean all Germans were psychopaths. Doesn`t even mean that many of his underlings necessarily had to be psychopaths. Bush and Cheney are psychopaths. But I would hardly call Colin Powell a psychopath ... probably just a shadow of a man trapped in the net of barbarian politics, e.g. a meek coward lacking the will to resist tyranny. Indeed, reigns of terror only require a few bad men.




5) What about elites of both German and Russian empires, why they allowed to such animosity to spread, while on their level being one big happy family? How does it relate to current wars between nations?


Good questions. IMO, both bring us back to the banksters and their usurping of the old aristocratic order. The banksters are the new aristocratic order. Kings and queens bow to them, as opposed to centuries past when it was the other way around.




6) Why it is that Jewish people become hoodwinked into virtually reenacting methods used against them during WWII against Palestinians? (walling-in, settlements/lebensraum, Gaza strip ghetto, collective responsibility, anti-guerilla warfare?)
And those are only start.


Again, good questions. IMO, the protoZionists that sacrificed countless number of Jews and nonJews during world wars I and II, became full-fledged Zionists in the modern criminally- established state of Israel. They are merely continuing the methodology of carnage that they had inherited from the protoZionists.



And I will not settle for "It's them reptilians" for an answer.

Well, I hope I gave you more than reptilians for an answer ... though it would be hard to argue against the possibility that the ghouls that carried out and continue to carry out crimes against humanity, indeed, against all the flora and the fauna of the Good Earth, are anything other than the most nastiest of reptiles. But if it`s not reptiles or reptileans, I shudder at the thought of humans living on the razor edge of darkness and depravity.


Cheers
Uncle Zook

RedeZra
26th September 2010, 03:00
Centralization of credit is a key Marxist theme. Central banking is a key bankster meme.

Of course, other key players in the nascent communist movement had also chosen fake names ... Lev Bronstein a.k.a Leo Trotsky; Vladimir Ilyitch Ulyanov a.k.a Vladimir Lenin; Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili a.k.a Josef Stalin.

yes they were all Ashkenazi Jews as Rothschild of course

the 19th century was known as the Age of Rothschild but since he bought up all the media houses we don't hear so much about him anymore

the Tsar of Russia had the nerve to deny the Banksters a central bank in Russia

'The establishment of a central bank is 90% of communizing a nation.' - Lenin


besides the eradication of Christianity is an ideal of secular Ashkenazi so many millions of Christians were murdered in the name of Communism which is Zionism in disguise

the Banksters are today's equivalent of the money changers which Jesus whipped out of the Temple

and their ideology is equivalent to the Pharisees to whom Jesus woes 'Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell ?'


oy vay iz mir

Fredkc
26th September 2010, 03:20
besides the eradication of Christianity is an ideal of secular Ashkenazi so many millions of Christians were murdered in the name of Communism which is Zionism in disguise

Too bad they didn't see Stalin coming. He murdered over twice as many Jews as Hitler did.

RedeZra
26th September 2010, 03:44
Too bad they didn't see Stalin coming. He murdered over twice as many Jews as Hitler did.

is that what you learn in school ?

Communism was a purging of Christians not Jews


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here an article written by Winston Churchill in the Illustrated Sunday Herald, dated February 8th, 1920

( Churchill's mother was a Jew which makes Churchill a Jew too according to Ashkenazi law )


anyway the article is titled 'Zionism versus Bolshevism: A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People'


http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/WSCwrote1920.html


Some people like Jews and some do not; but no thoughtful man can doubt the fact that they are beyond all question the most formidable and the most remarkable race which has ever appeared in the world.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/WSCwrote1920.html

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see how they change the name of the game

out with Communism and in with Zionism

out with Zionism in with NWO

still the same face is behind the mask ;)

my lowly lovely Jew

Luke
26th September 2010, 13:08
Hmm. Thought about it on fresh mind:

Jews consider themselves a chosen nation. From early days they are fixed on creating and maintaining living space where only they will live. They used ethnic cleansing methods early on (remember the story about killing anybody that could not pronounce shibboleth? What about taking land of Caanaan by force?)

Pan-Germans consider themselves chosen/Aryan nation. From early days they are concerned with creating and maintaining racially consistent living space (lebensraum), and they used racially targeted methods.

Pan-Slavist consider Russia a chosen nation. From early days they are concerned with creating and maintaining racially consistent living space and bringing all Slavic nation under their banner. (and during Tsarist times and from 1990's also: united in orthodox faith). They use ethnic cleansing/racially specific methods (see Chechenya for example)

There can be only one?

(just to support Fred : Antisemitism and Joseph Stalin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_and_Joseph_Stalin), Soviet Anti-Zionism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Anti-Zionism))
As for psychos and banksters.. it's not that straighforward. Psychos are mercenaries/frontmen, without foresight needed for prolonged maintaining of power they crave so much. Eventually they make themselves visible targets. "Banksters" share similar traits: clever in enslaving tactics, but they have no real goal, apart of owning everything. Noblemen are still thinking in "divine right to rule" terms, and if not for laws and armies protecting them, they will be economically extinct over hundred years ago (but they managed to survive by exchanging privileges for protection) .. Same goes for many fraternities out there: they boil down to protection rackets. All those groups lack long term goals to archieve, but we are seeing at least 1000 years long campaign towards centralized, universal power which cleverly uses all those groups selfish interests to carve steps needed. And then there is this chosen nation theme that simply cannot be ignored.

RedeZra
26th September 2010, 18:50
Jews consider themselves a chosen nation. From early days they are fixed on creating and maintaining living space where only they will live. They used ethnic cleansing methods early on (remember the story about killing anybody that could not pronounce shibboleth? What about taking land of Caanaan by force?)


listen the Azkhenazi Jew is just a member of an Eurasian tribe or nation that converted to Judaism some 1000 years ago n has nothing to do with ancient Israel

the Azkhenazi Banksters made it big in banking n eventually bought up the Western world

but not before the many skirmishes conflicts revolutions n wars between nations n Azkhenazi Banksters n their paid puppets to topple the Monarchies


this is epic n is connected with the spiritual side of life

as every heart on earth has to take a stand

Mammon or God


Lucifer n legions want a world without God




No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a LUCIFERIAN Initiation." (David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations)

Second Son
26th September 2010, 19:13
Just a quick reply here...

My two cents goes as follows:

ANYONE here who throws numbers around at all (especially those in the millions) needs to study the facts, PERIOD.

Saico, you are throwing huge numbers around, and talking about Auschwitz like it actually HAD gas chambers... this is a patent lie.

And you, Uncle Zook are talking about heresay, and claiming it is a tool which can be used by the Zionists. Don't you realize by posting numbers in the millions with ZERO empirical data to back it up, you are engaging in just that?

Zook
26th September 2010, 20:40
Hi Second Son,


Just a quick reply here...
My two cents goes as follows:
ANYONE here who throws numbers around at all (especially those in the millions) needs to study the facts, PERIOD.


No one`s throwing numbers around on a whim. Rightly or wrongly, the original event is called the Holocaust. Rightly or wrongly, the original number is 6,000,000. We are then obliged to establish, modify, or refute this original number. Simply starting out with a statement claiming there was no Holocaust, or using a hypothetical number such as zero or 70,000 or N ... is injecting subjective opinion on the matter. The Zionists are promoting the 6,000,000 number. It is then up to truthseekers to investigate the veracity of that claim. PERIOD.



Saico, you are throwing huge numbers around, and talking about Auschwitz like it actually HAD gas chambers... this is a patent lie.

And you, Uncle Zook are talking about heresay, and claiming it is a tool which can be used by the Zionists. Don't you realize by posting numbers in the millions with ZERO empirical data to back it up, you are engaging in just that?

I think you are missing the argument here. The default understanding (e.g. the standard understanding) states that a Holocaust occurred and that 6 million Jews were exterminated. That is where the debate starts. Eventually, with investigation, we can pare this number down. And I have done so here. Using the evidence of the two Auschwitz plaques, I've been able to reduce the original number from 6 to 3.42 million overall Jewish deaths. We have thus eradicated the myth of the 6 million number. If you have proof that this number should be further pared down, please bring it forth. Empirical data is very important. But when such data is not forthcoming, it makes no sense to build up from zero deaths as opposed to build down from 6 million deaths (or as of now, 3.42 million deaths). Especially so when the offending side provides rope for its own hanging. That rope being 6 million Jews murdered. To wit, they've hung themselves.

If we were to use your approach of empirical data collection, we have two problems. First, that data appears to be inaccessible to you and I. Second, you've shifted the gallows from a Zionist hanging party to a Holocaust-denier hanging party. Question begs, why do you offer your neck for the noose when the Zionists already have theirs in it? Not very rational.



Cheers
Uncle Zook

RedeZra
3rd October 2010, 08:39
time to wake up goyim



'Some call it Marxism — I call it Judaism.' - Rabbi S. Wise in The American Bulletin May 5 1935


'The Communist soul is the soul of Judaism. Hence it follows that, just as in the Russian revolution the triumph of Communism was the triumph of Judaism, so also in the triumph of fascism will triumph Judaism.' - Rabbi Harry Waton in A Program for the Jews and Humanity


'The Bolshevist revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction, and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental and physical forces, become a reality all over the world.' - The American Hebrew September 10 1920

Zook
3rd October 2010, 17:07
Hi RedeZra,


time to wake up goyim
'Some call it Marxism — I call it Judaism.' - Rabbi S. Wise in The American Bulletin May 5 1935


I'm not sure Rabbi Wise is of the tribe of Judah in the Kingdom of Judah. Marxism uses the paradigm of religion to a certain extent, but it has little in common with any religion, Judaism
or Judahism included. It's more likely he's either a late-day convert to Judaism or from one of the ten lost nonJewish Biblical tribes of Israel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Samuel_Wise

I just came back from google; my suspicions were correct, he is a Zionist. A shill of the Rothschild brand of false Jews (by consequence if not by self-admission). Being a Zionist, and understanding that Zionism and Marxism have the same mother, e.g. the Illuminati, Wise would've had a vested interest in bringing together Marxism and Judaism. It's the perfect backdoor for unifying Judaism with Zionism (Marxism being the common connection).



'The Communist soul is the soul of Judaism. Hence it follows that, just as in the Russian revolution the triumph of Communism was the triumph of Judaism, so also in the triumph of fascism will triumph Judaism.' - Rabbi Harry Waton in A Program for the Jews and Humanity


http://www.gwb.com.au/2000/myers/book.htm

Another religious communist slash Zionist shill. These people were doing their level best to pervert Judahism and identify it with Zionism, at a time when Zionism was a fledgling movement.



'The Bolshevist revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction, and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental and physical forces, become a reality all over the world.' - The American Hebrew September 10 1920

Well, RedeZra, I think the above would be more credible if you replace the term Jewish with the terms ethnically nonJewish.

RedeZra
4th October 2010, 03:03
Hi Zookumar

you bring up an important point in that modern Jews n Judaism is neither a unified nation nor a unified religion


let's backtrack to the time of Jesus Christ some 2000 years ago

Jesus was a descendent of King David from the tribe of Judah n was crucified under the epithet 'King of the Judeans'

the Pharisees - the High priests of the Judeans - did not want Pilate to write this inscription upon the Cross cause that would imply that they had killed their own King

which they of course did n paid the prize when Rome in 70 AD killed n enslaved the Judeans n destroyed Jerusalem n the 2nd Temple where only a low level of the Western Wall still stands today

this was the bitter end between God n His 'chosen people'


now how can a nation still entertain the notion that it is 'chosen' when it killed God lol

chosen to crucifie Him ?


the modern Jews - whoever they are - will say 'Jesus was not the Messiah'

we are still 'chosen' n waiting...

but just in case we're not chosen 'we will own the world' ;)

Rimbaud
5th October 2010, 01:21
Oh boy...If I wanted to listen this religious stuff...I'd go to a bloody Church..or Synagogue or Mosque or a hole in the wall for that matter....Please leave your conceived doctrine outside my front door please. I respect everyone's right to freedom of expression...but we're no Bible Club here..are we?...If so, then please let me know.

Rimbaud

RedeZra
5th October 2010, 06:08
Oh boy...If I wanted to listen this religious stuff...I'd go to a bloody Church..or Synagogue or Mosque or a hole in the wall for that matter....

Hi Rimbaud

think of it as a part of our history culture n tradition

it is impossible to forget or neglect the impact of our ancestors

Rimbaud
5th October 2010, 06:19
Sorry..I tried to delete this post as it's pretty much repeated elsewhere...But now I'm here, I want to repeat that I'm not anti-tradition or culture...I'm proud of my Barbarian ancestors who drank fermented mares milk out of the skulls of their enemies too...It's just that I don't want a lesson in any Religion whatsoever...nothing to do with Christians, Jews, Muslims et al et al...I agree with ones right to these views, but it's more a question of whether it's on topic...In my view ..it's not. However I stand by the Mods decision that it is..so enough said

Myra
5th October 2010, 06:39
zookumar, you are absolutely right.

Zook
5th October 2010, 12:46
Bonjour Rimbaud,


Sorry..I tried to delete this post as it's pretty much repeated elsewhere...But now I'm here, I want to repeat that I'm not anti-tradition or culture...I'm proud of my Barbarian ancestors who drank fermented mares milk out of the skulls of their enemies too...It's just that I don't want a lesson in any Religion whatsoever...nothing to do with Christians, Jews, Muslims et al et al...I agree with ones right to these views, but it's more a question of whether it's on topic...In my view ..it's not. However I stand by the Mods decision that it is..so enough said

You have to admit that back in the days of vines and bashed noses, anything that could have held water (or fermented mare's milk) ... would've had value. Cupped hands are good to hold jungleberries, but a tad inefficient for liquid handling, you'll agree. I'm sure I've had such ancestors, myself (tho' perhaps at twice the timeline). LOL. 'Twas a joke. Really, 'twas.
:fencing:

I think religion is central to understanding the historical record; more the further, that any discussion of the historical record without a concomitant understanding of the the religious backdrop, is incomplete.

I've this sudden craving for jungleberry pie. Go figure.

Anyhoo' ... I take your point about nonsecularism. I, too, respect all faiths and what they have to offer to the respective individuals who abide them. Last time I was in India (2007), I visited New Delhi. There was this magnificent structure called the Lotus Temple. It's a Baha'i House of Worship and a gathering place for interfaith understanding. The architecture is simply breathtaking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Temple

ps: Thanx for your support, Myra!

Carmody
5th October 2010, 13:00
Good signature. Those who pay attention, might get to the understanding that in this world, that may entirely be the point. The drunken monkey stumble.

I will make a religion right here. I will do Science To It. (http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=DC-BISCUIT&Category_Code=DC#pic)

As above, so below. Input moves to output, taking in and letting out, all the way. The enlightenment of the sphincters. The holy triad of the sphincters. (Place Zeppelin tune here for holy usage whilst eating and speaking to the self and the foods consumed- 'there are two paths you can go on.. but in the long run...there's still time to change the rope you're on'....)

One in (the godhead), two out (choice). One is liquid, the other a high density solid. The liquid can flow and move about, and in the world of alchemy (seriously), contains the essence of what can enlighten man and make him immortal. The waters of life. The fluid dynamic of spirit and what it takes to transfer between energetic domains or dimensions. It exists in a fluid state.

The other path (http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=GOAT-1-2TASTY&Category_Code=GOAT) is one of solids and is stinky and near useless for enlightenment (http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=GOAT-SCIENCESATAN&Category_Code=GOAT).... we perceive value and end up being stinky and wallowing in it.

Let the philosophers argue and fill in the blanks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_and_Hobbes). Sooner or later books, entire complicated works will emerge (cook books?)...and thousands of years from now....

Carmody
6th October 2010, 03:20
I try to stay out of these things but I saw zooks signature and I liked it enough to say something. Before you know it, I had created a religion. Ahh...how easy it is. I feel Reverend moon just bursting to get out of me. SuperMoon is mild mannered Carmody by day...

Back to your regularly scheduled program....And I'll step back out of it.

I'm sure some of you know, of if you are in this thread, you should know... that the 6M number is essential to the religion that is part of this topic. It is written. wandering will not be completed and the homeland will not reappear on the radar until the 6M are dead. And that the titular head told them not to leave. Not to run...but to stay. Some were smart enough to leave. Then it was too late.

Which led to you know what.

Killing your own to reach a magic number, by telling them to remain in harms way.

Zook
6th October 2010, 04:01
HI Carmody,


I try to stay out of these things but I saw zooks signature and I liked it enough to say something.


Thank you.



Before you know it, I had created a religion. Ahh...how easy it is. I feel Reverend moon just bursting to get out of me. SuperMoon is mild mannered Carmody by day...
Back to your regularly scheduled program....And I'll step back out of it.


I would join your religion ... but I prefer to remain clear of the purview of pyramidal organization (which, invariably, is the fate of all major religions). 'Course, if you decide to downsize and become a cult ... I will have a chat with my inner self and its eight siblings. Will we get a group discount on the tithes? How about a tooths plan? You will, of course, be requesting voluntary fees and involuntary donations? ReverBeginning, you must! What is a cult if not a saucer equivalent to the collection plate?

Whoa, Rocinante, whoa!

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I'm sure some of you know, of if you are in this thread, you should know... that the 6M number is essential to the religion that is part of this topic. It is written. And that the titular head told them not to leave. Not to run...but to stay. Some were smart enough to leave. Then it was too late.
Which led to you know what.
Killing your own to reach a magic number, by telling them to remain in harms way.

On a serious note, those who were told to stay put share a tragic fate with the people instructed to remain in the twin towers upper floor offices ... and the selfless firefighters that went up to rescue them, share a fate with those soldiers who entered the war theatre to limit German expansion. All were innocent victims of the Rothschild/Illuminati/Bankster scheme to achieve full spectrum dominance (over the planet's resources).

Carmody
6th October 2010, 04:15
Thus it is then logical to fall to the point , errr...ergo..the sacred number must not ever be allowed to change, or the whole game begins to stagger and fall. The weight of that number is as big as the game itself. In the context of public capacity to recognize structure for what it really is... it is the most protected as it is the weakest point in the entire construct.

Thus, whomever should approach it ..vaporizes. As the history of those who attempt such in the past ~x0 years has shown. The dog barks loudest when it is most afraid.

Rimbaud
7th October 2010, 02:28
Bonjour Rimbaud,



You have to admit that back in the days of vines and bashed noses, anything that could have held water (or fermented mare's milk) ... would've had value. Cupped hands are good to hold jungleberries, but a tad inefficient for liquid handling, you'll agree. I'm sure I've had such ancestors, myself (tho' perhaps at twice the timeline). LOL. 'Twas a joke. Really, 'twas.
:fencing:

I think religion is central to understanding the historical record; more the further, that any discussion of the historical record without a concomitant understanding of the the religious backdrop, is incomplete.

I've this sudden craving for jungleberry pie. Go figure.

Anyhoo' ... I take your point about nonsecularism. I, too, respect all faiths and what they have to offer to the respective individuals who abide them. Last time I was in India (2007), I visited New Delhi. There was this magnificent structure called the Lotus Temple. It's a Baha'i House of Worship and a gathering place for interfaith understanding. The architecture is simply breathtaking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Temple

ps: Thanx for your support, Myra!

Thank you my friend for meeting me half way.. and in turn I do the same...Debate is to my mind an inroad towards the Soul. You have shown me that you are prepared to stand your ground and yet accept alternative points of view..I confess that I was testing you the other night..it's the only way to find out if that I can meet friends of a similar mind.

I don't presume that you;d want to know me...but I'm happy that we have crossed swords in a positive kind of way. Debate is the key towards answers..I don't ever want to pick a fight with you or anyone else..my style is rather abrupt and I'm sorry if I rubbed you up the wrong way. It was your thread in the first place and I was wrong to interject my point of view.

Rimbaud