March 2013 The Next Great Event in The Awakening!

[Quantum Odyssey]

Hello Everyone!

I am a Quantum Healing Hypnosis Practitioner Level Two trained by Dolores Cannon.

I just published an eBook on a research project I conducted using Dolores Cannon’s method of Quantum Healing Hypnosis. The focus of the project was to obtain more clarity for humanity regarding The Shift and all it entails. My focus was what we would be experiencing and how to prepare ourselves mentally, physically and spiritually. The information brought forth was truly enlightening especially regarding what the electronic/wireless environments are doing to us!

Enjoy!
Mindy

The subject/respondent has been placed under hypnosis using Dolores Cannon's method of Quantum Healing Hypnosis. Instead of going backward (past life regression) I went forward on the timeline to assess potential events associated with The Shift and Earth changes.

M represents QHH interviewer/Mindy and E is the subject/respondent.

E: I see a like a moment in time. The only thing I can describe it like…it is like when you flip the switch and the lights go on. There is this incredible blue light! So soft… I see color of blue light and when this light switch goes on the light expands... It is so beautiful! Throughout the whole universe and it’s the coming together of one mind! It so unbelievable!

M: Is this a happening at this time or a future event?

E: It is a future event...and it’s going to happen. The only thing I can think of is a scripture that says "…in the twinkling of an eye" and it’s so amazing!!!! (Spoken with absolute wonder and awe)

M: Is there an earth time when this event will be taking place?

E: It is soon...it’s now...it feels now...like now. It’s melting... it doesn't feel far away.

M: Is this "The Shift" "The Awakening" that’s coming?

E: Yes! It’s all minds coming to together in a split second! It’s so bizarre!

M: Will that event take place on our calendar year of 12-21-12?

E: March 2013

M: When you say ALL minds…Will all human beings experience the same thing or will there be individuals who are unaware of this event?

E: This is so wild! (Experiencing extreme visual and sensory downloads)
Everyone will know. Not everyone will care.

M: Does this correlate with the event known as the second coming of Christ?

E: Yes!
Holy sh**! (…experiencing huge waves of energy and emotion) I wish you could feel what I feel right now!

M: Describe what you are experiencing right now!

E: Gasping. Holy cow. Gasping...oh my god oh my god oh my god! I can’t describe it...it’s like a download where you are all tingly on the outside but this is on the inside...oh my god! Oh geez! The light is amazing!

M: Is this light what you are experiencing or is it something else?

E: Yes, it’s the light! It’s like...it’s like...I have never seen anything like it! So crazy!

M: So is this second coming of Christ actually the Christ "consciousness" coming back onto the planet?

E: And it’s been building and building. But it’s like it going to...the minds unite! It’s like a moment in time for all of us that have been waiting...Our minds are united!

M: What is the outcome of that when all the minds unite? What does that produce or create?

E: Clarity. Oh geez... it’s like waking up from a dream. The words that are coming up for me is, the ILLUSION is gone! Oh my god its wild!

M: That is very exciting!

E: It affects everybody but there are those still in the illusion and those out of it. It like there’s two groups of people.

M: Is there anything that defines those who are still in the illusion? Any reason why there are those choosing to stay in the illusion? The reason they have created that reality for themselves?

E: Fear.

M: Is that fear of change or fear anything new? What is that fear of?

E: Fear of knowing!

M: What is it that they don't want to know?

E: That it is ALL an illusion.

M: Are these the people that hold on to the illusion of separateness and hierarchies and power structures?

E: Its attachment to the illusion! (With wonder)… they believe that they are a part of what they see! It’s like a hologram. So wild! They can't see the light; they can't connect because they believe they are the illusion. They believe themselves to be what they are...but that’s not it! It’s like I believe I am a monkey so I appear as a monkey! OH geezzzz!

M: For those that can experience the light and experience this awakening, what is it that they believe? What is it that allows them to see the light and participate and be transformed?

E: They believe. This is sooo weird. They believe that they are not important! Ha...wow! It’s like when you see fish swim together and birds fly together, they all become one yet they are separate. They are individual but one is not more important than the other!... Here comes another wave!

M: I just had a flash of something I have always heard but didn’t understand...Is this what is meant by "the meek shall inherit the Earth"?!!

E: Yes!!
Oh god...ooooooh...(more huge waves of energy are pulsing through her!) Oh my god I wish you could feel this! It’s like being on a rollercoaster...its sooooo beautiful! I feel so humble (sobbing and tears)

M: So those that don’t experience this are attached to the ego-self? Their importance in the material realm? Those who define themselves and others by the material world? What their car makes them, what their mansions make them, what their bank account makes them?

E: Yes, Yes! But they could also be a poor person who still thinks they are important, it’s not just the rich, and it’s everybody! Everybody who thinks they are more important...It’s a mindset!

M: So anybody who thinks they are more important than their fellow human beings?

E: Yes!

M: Ah ha! That’s powerful, so profound!

M: What else do we need to share with humanity and the average person who maybe reading this. About this event?

E: It’s so weird... it’s "know thy self-know thy neighbor" "know thy self, know thy neighbor". When you know yourself you can truly know your neighbor. But if you are afraid of yourself and don't know yourself, how can you know your neighbor? How can you put yourself in your neighbors shoes of you don’t even know yourself? Each person is important. They are important but not more important than the other. That’s how we are part of the one.

M: What is the time frame for when this uniting of one mind will take place?

E: March 2013. It’s a big month!

M: That is interesting because that somewhat correlates with Hopi prophecy of in this time frame we are in now we will be a door will be opening from the 4th world which we are currently to the 5th world. Is that the door that is opening into the 5th world, also known as the 5th dimension?

E: Yes...oh here come the waves again!

The waves she experienced equaled validation of absolute truth!

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[Quantum Odyssey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhdx92MNcjM

Interview with Candace Craw-Goldman from QHIN Quantum Healing Information Network. Here we discuss the topic of the March 2013 Awakening as well as some of the physical anomalies many of us and our clients have been experiencing with this ascension such as dematerialization

[Carmody]

I thought it might follow the astrology. Look at the month of march.

What do I mean, I thought it might. it does follow astrology. All this is tied together.

http://www.astroprofile.com/2013sky.htm

(times are peak alignment, in EST time zones)

Mars conjunct Uranus.........March 22 Both in Aries 2:17 pm
Jupiter inconjunct Saturn....March 23 Jupiter Gemini, Saturn Scorpio 10:51 pm
Mars inconjunct Saturn.......March 25 Mars Aries, Saturn Scorpio 4:32 pm
Mars square Pluto..............March 26 Mars Aries, Pluto Capricorn 11:47 pm
Jupiter square Chiron.........March 26-27 Jupiter Gemini, Chiron Pisces 2:46 am
Venus conjunct Neptune.....March 28 Both in Pisces 8:38 pm
Mercury conjunct Chiron.....March 29 Both in Pisces 5:52 am
Mercury square Jupiter.......March 29 Mercury Pisces, Jupiter Gemini 2:13 pm
Mercury sextile Pluto..........March 29 Mercury Pisces, Pluto Capricorn 2;34 pm
Venus square Pluto............March 31 Venus Aries, Pluto Capricorn 6:12 am

I've no specific ideas on the whole thing, but the astrological data is fairly strong for the time period above.

Possibly expect the sun to awaken again, in it's sunspot activity.

[Wind]

Thank you so much for sharing this! I've been interested in Dolores' work for a while now and I have studied a lot about the "shift" (of dimension). I'm so looking forward to this event and I do hope that it happens! Many skeptics just say that it's "impossible and fantasy", but I believe that we have been prepared for this even for a long time now! Humanity needs this.

Also found this interesting QHHT session:

http://angelicview.wordpress.com/2012/12/01/qhht-session-with-susan-part-i/
http://angelicview.wordpress.com/2012/12/01/qhht-session-with-susan-part-ii/

Edit: And another source confirming this:
http://www.matthewmarnitz.com/blog/2013/03/09/qhht-session-impending-solar-storm-event-will-help-awaken-humanity/

[white wizard]

I am a big fan of Delores and have read convoluted Universe one

and two. There seems to be major flaws in the idea of predicting

the future and hardly anyone is successful and that may be for

good reasons, which are to protect creation and allow for the

natural cycles to take place without interruption. You would have

better luck looking at predictions symbolically since that is the

universal language of creation. The symbol of the regression was

major change of human consciousness. The second was it

happening soon. The prediction is true, but not in the way the

client conveys it through his interpretation.


Today was interesting, because I eased dropped on a group

soldiers discussing the flaws of religion. They all mostly

agreed on a higher power but the kicker was one person

said he believed no higher power would want itself to be

worshiped and almost instantly everyone a agreed on that as

well. Then later I was smoking cigarettes in a group of people

and the Illuminati was brought up, but only half actually believed

in it, which was again weird.

To sum things up basically from what I have observed

people have been steadily waking up and doing it at an increasing

rate. So in a sense the prediction is true.

[johnf]

So a blue light covering the entire planet. That could be a different way of understanding the blue Kachina idea from the hopi.

[apokalypse]

last year we have all sort of date and nothing came true...

[dim]

last year we have all sort of date and nothing came true...
...or it did but unfortunately happened you to be on that other part of people.

[Wind]

last year we have all sort of date and nothing came true...

Or maybe you just didn't notice anything.

[korgh]

last year we have all sort of date and nothing came true...

I agree.
I just wonder when these prophecies will become true. Too many speculation and disinformation makes people "see things" where nothing will happen.
I have no doubt about something really big will happen and all data are welcome but until there i will be a just observer.

[apokalypse]

what predictions on specific date came true last year?

[dim]

which part of:
"...but there are those still in the illusion and those out of it. It like there’s two groups of people."
you don't get ?

[Anchor]

which part of:
"...but there are those still in the illusion and those out of it. It like there’s two groups of people."
you don't get ?

Sarcasm? Please go easy. Be kind!

Some of us, for some time now, have a foot in both worlds. I think I am one. The more I live the more I see both. Its a funny thing and it is impossible to accurately describe it - and a hell of a trip to be on.

If you know its an illusion then you need to act your parts in this grand play (which we are all scriptwriters of). All of us need to be patient and supportive of the others. No one is more, no one is less. We are all awesome actually.

What is more important is that this is a personal thing. No matter where we find ourselves - we all have immense value to each-other and our relative situations and perspectives of each-other. Our other-selves are necessary because here in this "illusion" we have more opportunity to learn and teach, and to teach and learn from each other.

[greybeard]

I listened to the video and it is upbeat and positive.
However saying that some will be aware of change and some not because of fear is not necessarily helpful.
There are very few on the planet who are completely free of fear.
I’ve only listened once but will again as there are bound to be bits of the discussion I have not fully understood.
Many good points
On the whole I would say its one of the most uplifting videos I have watched in a while.

Thanks to QO for bringing it here.

Chris

[Wind]

I listened to the video and it is upbeat and positive.
However saying that some will be aware of change and some not because of fear is not necessarily helpful.
There are very few on the planet who are completely free of fear.
I’ve only listened once but will again as there are bound to be bits of the discussion I have not fully understood.
Many good points
On the whole I would say its one of the most uplifting videos I have watched in a while.

Thanks to QO for bringing it here.

Chris

I agree, the video is very uplifting. I got really excited about it, maybe even too much! :)

I wonder that what kind of fear does it mean? Fear of death? I don't fear that since I think that it doesn't exist, but I do fear other silly things. I think that everyone is afraid of something like losing a loved one.

[miqeel]

Nice read OP, thank you!
Although, like many said before and many will say after, there is always some difficulty with predictions, and more often than not they do not come true. So, I suggest that one just focuses on ones self, their "awakening" -whatever they mean by that and being a good, loving person.
I like the notion of critical mass. I really believe, that once a critical mass of loving, aware people is reached, the civiliztion will evolve and change forever. In that sense, I prefer to look at solution from within, rather than without.

On separate note, when one collates all the info bits and pieces that have been surfacing in recent months (including our own Bill Ryan's post about an event about to occur march/april 2013) then, one can expect something to happen. I have been getting this sense of quickening a long time now. So, while not expecting anything to happen, I will accept it, if it does, same way I would accept it if it didn't.

With all the best wishes
M

[vje2]

HI eveyone,

Speaking of something happening, I have been having dreams (I never recalled them upon awakeing) that something is about to happen.
Neither good or bad, I just woke up twice last week with a sense, a feeling.
what could it be, I have no idea...I've told a girlfriend of mine and she told me that it was probably "my fear"...but fear of what? If I only knew, at least I can process that fear.

Has anybody had feelings that catches one's attention lately?
Could they be related to the predictions?

Time will tell, I guess

[Earth Angel]

very enjoyable..........I am one of the hopefuls........I am ready and eager for something big to happen this March....thank you for posting this.....going to watch the video's now.........and try to get rid of my fears!!!!

[Mandala]

I love Dolores Cannon and would like to find a practitioner in south Florida to go to. I am ready for something to happen. Bring it on!!!!

[Grumpy Cat]

Incidentally I was in Amsterdam just last week and went on a sort of psychedelic trip as a result of getting high, stoned and having my blood sugar dip very low - what was the theme? An almost overwhelming vision of blue energy.

I wonder if I somehow astrally connected to a girl I was thinking about as I came back home to find she was back on my Facebook. Made me think.

[andrewgreen]

I really find it hard to believe people are talking about a shift. The only shift that can happen is on a personal level through practice.

[Kiforall]

The idea of one mind sounds too much like a Borg collective which is controlled by one.

I'd prefer to be part of a collective conciousness which would remain free of control and of no-mind.

I think we are already a part of the One conciousness, the awakening is just remembering and becoming aware that the minds way of surviving is to keep us controlled by it.

[Wind]

We will still be individuals, but we will truly understand that we are one. The illusion of separation ends, they are not meant to last forever.

[Lone Bean]

My birthday is in March. I wonder if that is the BIG event?!! Just kidding though (but it really is my birthday month). I hope something big and wonderful does happen. I don't feel any intuitive upcoming events are suppose to happen, but when I did feel intuitive nothing happened. So maybe this is reverse intuition....who knows.

[Kiforall]

I really find it hard to believe people are talking about a shift. The only shift that can happen is on a personal level through practice.

In my opinion the talk of shifts and awakenings on a Earthly level, meaning the whole Earth at one time can be dangerous as some people may think they don't have to do the inner work, which I agree has to be personal, there is no short cut, no easy way. No-one is going to wave a magic wand.

The other danger is that some people then feel, why didn't it happen to me? what did I do wrong? or feel like giving up on the personal work. This can make the process of their awakening much harder as negativity fills the space where hope was.

If some people find the positive aspects helpful this can in turn be helpful to everyone but I think only short term. It may come to the point where energies are changing that help people to understand the bigger picture of Earth school but everyone will still have to graduate on their own and in their own time.

[Quantum Odyssey]

My intent upon approaching this project was to obtain insights through the perspective of Quantum Healing Hypnosis in order to empower people. I have also conducted over 100 sessions for free to people suffering for diseases and emotional trauma.
I am giving away large parts of my book and sharing them with hundreds of people asking them to share these excerpts with not one dime asked for nor any request on my part.
I have been a member here a while and did not just join for marketing purposes. As I am sharing this info with a magnitude of people and blogs and sites I don't type out a new intro for each post I make. Therefore I erroneously forgot that stating the name of my book was against forum rules here.

For those of you that this is meant for and hopefully others understand my intent for sharing my work and will come to the understanding that info like this and the Awakening from hundreds of people's work and research throughout the world is about the realization of self. It is a journey to understand that the answers and power come from within, not from out!

We have been conditioned for millennia to accept truth and authority only outside of ourselves. Now is the time to recognize the truth within, the God within, the power within. It's about self empowerment. The information shared clearly indicates that this is a journey within and how to recognize what is taking place.
We have not been taught to recognize this because then how would the powers that be control and manipulate us and use us without our consent.

No guru to follow, no program, no paid membership in order to receive...nothing asked but to share the information with others.

Those who expect to see something outside of themselves without opening their minds are hateful, angry and self righteous when "nothing" happens,..."I knew it, nothing was going to happen".... they get to be right.

However there are a great majority who did experience a shift of energy or awareness. Many intuitives as well as myself felt a tremendous energy coming onto or around the planet in Dec. 2012. My entire body was vibrating and my third eye was spinning and I have experienced dematerialization physically. Now I had no expectation no firm belief of 12/21/12 other than it was the beginning of something not the end. I allowed myself to be open and receive.

Which group was right?....they both were.

It's not about who is right and who is wrong. It's about opening our eyes...all THREE of them, and allowing ourselves to conceive of something different than we have been taught to believe.

The observer effects the results. Literally called the Observer Effect. The morphogenetic field holds information that once conceived and recognized by a group of people shortly people on the other side of the planet have mentally received the same information. This is why we have seen time and time again multiple patents applied for at the same time across the world for one of a kind unique inventions. The collective consciousness or the morphogenetic field had been accessed at the same time thus awareness and knowledge takes part and multiplies in a flash!



Who is right?... when a group of intuitives/mediums say there is a spirit present, gives absolute details of names and backgrounds relevant to the seeker. Nobody else in the room can see anything or hear anything than their everyday 3d world.

Frankly, both groups are right. It just depends where they are LOOKING.

As for FEAR...it is a fear of not being right, afraid to let go of the way things are SUPPOSED to be and allowing something different to exist, afraid to let go what they have been taught to believe as truth, afraid to let go of the past in order to receive a different future, afraid to be themselves...after all, what would people think?!

If the 5d coming to our awareness brings with it the possibility of abundance....manifesting by pure intent... Will we not too manifest our worst fears if that is where we keep our focus?!

Jesus said " praying unceasingly as ALL thoughts are prayers". As a metaphysician,not a Christian, this really held my attention for all human creation starts in the mind then comes into fruition.

You will get exactly what you "thought" and everyone gets to be right!

Remember, people were put to death and burned at the stake to dare speak of a different reality...the world was absolutely flat. Until it wasn't.

With Love and Light and blessings to all!
Mindy

[crosby]

well said Quantum Odyssey. i watched the video and i myself have experienced many of the strange anomalies that you described. i am glad that you have posted this information. for anyone who is in the process of awakening, it is good to explore all avenues. i certainly can appreciate what you have brought forth as i'm sure others do. please update as often as you can, this is very interesting information. thank you very much for taking the time to post!
warmest regards, corson

[RUSirius]

Some may know the future, most do not, I do not, its ok to read others thoughts and perspectives without painting a bad connotation (I've been waiting all day to use this word, hope I used it right).

[ThePythonicCow]

I moved nine posts, and part of a tenth post, to a separate thread Split from "March 2013 The Next Great Event in The Awakening" thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56852-Split-from-March-2013-The-Next-Great-Event-in-The-Awakening-thread), as they contained a couple of distractions from this present thread.

[crosby]

has anyone else experienced the visual affects that QO spoke about in the video? i know that for quite a long time now, i have been seeing wavy disturbances in my peripheral vision and sparkles all around i even see furniture vibrating rapidly, even though when i touch it doesn't feel as though it is. i have also seen something that reminds of a movie affect, where someone who is invisible is seen by 'liquid' type form, where the watcher can see movement, but does not see a solid object! the ringing in the ears is big for me as well. different calibrations or frequencies in both ears. very irritating........ and lastly, in the last couple of weeks i have seen images in my mind and then it happens. nothing major like accidents or anything like that, but a lot of knowing who is going to call me before they actually call, who is coming to my front door before they arrive, i left for work one morning and got to my place of work and turned around and came home because i had this vision that my fiance's car wasn't going to start. and it didn't. weird and exciting stuff. has anyone else been having any of these reactions?
warmest regards, corson

[RMorgan]

Hey Quantum Odyssey,

Nothing personal, my friend, but it´s very funny when people put the word "quantum" in front of anything nowadays, I mean, I´ve heard about quantum grammar, quantum music, quantum gastronomy and now quantum hypnosis.

Would you care to explain what quantum hypnosis really is? I mean, are you sure the word "quantum" really fits this expression?

In my opinion, the word "quantum" has been overused nowadays mostly as a marketing artifice, to give a pseudo-scientific touch and a sense of incomprehensible complexity to things that either don´t make much sense or that simply are worn out from the public´s perspective, you know, to seduce the laymen to think something like "Oh, if it´s quantum then it must be great" or "It´s so complex that´s hard to explain it; you have to buy the book to get it".

Anyway, don´t get me wrong here, but hundreds of such "great awakening" dates have come and gone and nothing really happened; well, at least nothing great regarding the massive awakening of society.

So, why do you believe such thing is going to happen this time?

Do you really think that all of a sudden, all alienated and ignorant individuals that compose the vast majority of Earth´s population, will awake like magic, or better yet, "quantum" magic?

Well, I can´t say it´s impossible, but something like this is very close to it; It´s at least very very very unlikely.

Again, please, don´t take this as a personal attack because it isn´t. It´s just that most of us are already used such miraculous dates that come and go all the time.

You know, I´ve heard people saying that Earth will become a star, that our bodies will become crystallized on "quantum" level, that ETs will land here and save us, that certain comets were spaceships... I´ve heard people embarrassing themselves trying to explain the conceptual meaning of density, dimensions and frequencies, making a heck of a mess in the process, including Dolores Cannon herself.

If you believe something big is about to happen, quantum or not, I ´d like to hear a crystal clear cohesive and detailed explanation of all information and concepts that led you to form such belief.

By the way, welcome to Avalon! :)

Cheers,

Raf.

[niki]

@RMorgan : just want to say I always like your posts. you seem to be a critical, sensible & logical person as well. glad to have people like you in this forum, to 'balance' things out!

[SilentFeathers]

If it doesn't happen in March, I'm sure it'll happen, well, um, "whenever".....

[RMorgan]

If it doesn't happen in March, I'm sure it'll happen, well, um, "whenever".....

Or "between now and whenever it happens", like David Wilcock majestically said, after the 21/12 fiasco.

Anyway, we should first clarify some points, so we can proceed with this fine discussion.

The first issue is the one of Densities...This one is a total mess.

First, they used to see D as dimensions, now they see D as density...Some of this people make a heck of a confusion, changing their definition of D whenever they see fit.

Don´t ask me why, but someone concluded that since we´re living in a 3D (dimensional) world, then we ought to be living in 3D (density) bodies...I really have no idea how someone made this nonsense connection between dimension and density...I guess people thought it made sense, because both words begin with a D.

Then, people started talking about this "density" stuff, 4D, 5D, etc...However, I´m yet to see a reasonable explanation about this "density" stuff, how they measure this "density" and how they think it´s possible to move into another "density"....Density of what? Spirit? Subtle body? Soul? How to detect and measure such density in the first place? I´m yet to see a good explanation about that. I´d really like to hear one.

To make things worse, someone decided that 4D(ensity) is really bad, and we should be jumping straight to 5D(ensity)...Again, don´t ask me why. Probably, since 4D(imension) is time, and ideally we should evolve beyond time, the 4D(ensity) would be related to time somehow (confusing dimensions with density again) then we must jump straight to 5D(ensity).

Then some people say that Earth´s frequency is moving into 5D...Again, don´t ask me why they decided to make things even more complicated and mix frequency with density.

...And, other people say that this D (density) is related to feelings, like love; 5D being the density of love or something like that...How someone measured the density of love is also an enigma to me.

So, it´s a mess...People mixed up dimensions, frequencies, feelings and densities, making a soup of pseudo-scientific nonsense.

That´s it. Check out some "new age" definitions of density:


Levels of Density (Heaviest is the lowest in the light spectrum):

1D-Mineral Kingdom - Heaviest density
2D-Plant Kingdom
3D-Animal Kingdom + Lower vibration level Human
4D-Higher Vibration Level Human
5D-Light Body
6D-Soul Body
7D-Oversoul
8D-Angels
9D-Archangels and Ascended Masters
10D-Leaders of the Spiritual Hierarchy
11D-Universal Gods
12D-Absolute Godhead - Purest light Source

Do you have any idea on how they managed to measure all these "densities"? I don´t. To me, it all looks like plain and simple fabricated information.

How about their general definition of dimensions?


First Dimension - Existence through a point in time and space<<<It´s just width.
Second Dimension - Magnitude (distance or path) in the time and space<<<It´s just height.
Third Dimension - Depth and existence in the physical universe through choices of paths in time and space<<<It´s actually depth, nothing about choices or whatever.
Forth Dimension - Time (movement) through time and space in a higher mode of physical existence<<<It´s just time, actually.Nothing about higher mode of anything
Fifth Dimension - Through Love bridges the worlds of Matter and the worlds of Spirit (Release from duality into love and unity)<<<What? Where this idea came from?Someone please explain it to me.

So, we must first clarify such messed up definitions, before believing anyone who claims that we´ll magically jump to 5D or any "D".

A lot of people use scientific jargon to try to artificially enrich and back up their "theories", which, under careful examination, don´t make any sense at all. In my opinion, they do this to give a sense of sophistication to seduce uneducated people into buying whatever they may be selling.

Now, please, anyone. Correct me if I´m wrong ( and I may be wrong indeed). I´d love to hear a truly cohesive explanation about all of this.

Raf.

Ps: part of this post was copied from another post I´ve made on another thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55376-George-Kavassilas-latest--Feb.-5-2013--interview-on-Another-Reality-Show-with-Golden-Hawk&p=631689&viewfull=1#post631689).

[Anchor]

I really find it hard to believe people are talking about a shift. The only shift that can happen is on a personal level through practice.

That is true, but when you have conditions where a large number of people are "shifting" (whatever that means to anyone), then what you have is a kind of momentum because it starts to affect the group-consensus in a deeper way and lowers the barriers for people new to the idea or phenomena.

Dress and hairstyle fashions work in a similar way, but I think at a more superficial level.

The danger here is of course that mass manipulation works a similar way, so we all have to be careful, and only take what is really true for US individually and disregard the rest. No-one should be doing things just because someone else is, they should be doing things because that is what their hearts lead them to.

[Selene]

Without reference to the present prediction, I must say that public predictions generally have a lousy track record. Their reliability runs close to zero, all in all. Or maybe zero altogether.

And when a prediction is compounded with “nothing like this has ever happened before in the whole history of the galaxy…” then I – for one – really would like to see some better evidence than “someone said” before believing in a proposed event. I’d be a whole lot more interested if someone really did come back from beyond and say: Look at me; look what I can do now….. (I have, in fact, met and known some extraordinary individuals with extraordinary capacities, so I’m not discounting personal changes or dimensional shifts that can and do happen, but wondering about better evidence for this much larger claim.)

I don’t mean to diminish the sincerity of anyone’s beliefs. But, with respect, I’ll await further developments.

Regards

Selene

[SilentFeathers]

Now, please, anyone. Correct me if I´m wrong ( and I may be wrong indeed). I´d love to hear a truly cohesive explanation about all of this.


Sticking your finger in the hornets nest again? :)

IMO there is no cohesive explanation.

But perhaps you and I (and some others) haven't ascended high enough up the quantum multi-dimensional ladder of densities yet to understand these things.

That's usually the explanation I get when I try to get a "cohesive explanation"....

[Wind]

Now, please, anyone. Correct me if I´m wrong ( and I may be wrong indeed). I´d love to hear a truly cohesive explanation about all of this.

I found an old Avalon thread about densities/dimensions:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2743

It might answer your question, but then again it is a whole different thing that will you actually believe it.

Edit. Here is another link:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-2743.html

[Anchor]

Then, people started talking about this "density" stuff, 4D, 5D, etc...However, I´m yet to see a reasonable explanation about this "density" stuff, how they measure this "density" and how they think it´s possible to move into another "density"....Density of what? Spirit? Subtle body? Soul? How to detect and measure such density in the first place? I´m yet to see a good explanation about that. I´d really like to hear one.


Now, please, anyone. Correct me if I´m wrong ( and I may be wrong indeed). I´d love to hear a truly cohesive explanation about all of this.

Challenge accepted, but I doubt I will get it all right for you in one go. Here is a start.

Density as I know the term in a metaphysical sense refers to Density of Light.

Light here is also used in a metaphysical context and is what everything that is, is made of - rather than the electromagnetic phenomena of today's physics (the later being a subset). Everything is composed of that Light. Material of a higher density contains more light - consequently consciousness at higher densities is more expanded - more light.

To complicate things further, metaphysical density is not a three dimensional measure (mass / volume) because there are actually more dimensions in our multidimensional universe - its just complex and most people cant abstract enough to contemplate the ramifications of that - but it is why the metaphysical term density is useful because it wraps it up in one neat package. Untrained minds have problems with this, so neat packages are helpful.

As you may know, (it doesn't really matter), the system of study I gain my context from is the Law Of One by Ra. I'll just get that out the way for transparency.

In that are expounded an octave of densities. I don't know that the term density was used in a metaphysical context before that work was produced, and the 8 densities are the ones I am comfortable using as a framework for communication on this kind of cosmology.

Quoting from wikipedias entry on the Law of One there is a quick summary of the octave of densities:


The first density is the density of the elements (Earth, Wind, Fire, Water) (physical matter such as atoms, molecules, rocks, metals, liquids, gases).

The second density is the density of organic life: plants, animals, bacteria, etc.

The third density is the density which human beings inhabit. It is the density of self-awareness. It is also the density of duality/polarity.

The fourth density is the density of love and like all subsequent densities, is inhabited by mind/body/spirit complexes of a higher level of spiritual evolution than human beings on present day Earth.

The fifth density is the density of wisdom.

The sixth density is the density of unity consciousness, where love and wisdom unite, where all polarities unite.

The seventh density is the gateway density, the last density before mind/body/spirit complexes merge back into the Creator.

The eighth density is the beginning of the next octave.


Another thing you forgot to question is the idea of vibration - but I want to mention it because its all part of the framework.

In the space time universe, material vibrates but the axis of that vibration is more than just three dimensional. Additionally dense things are capable of vibrating at much higher rates.

Summary:

Density - density of light (measured multidimensionally, and with light being the manifest fabric of the infinite universe)

Dimension - axis of measurement, just like in physics, but there is more than one to deal with (I dont know how many, so far 6 or 12 are the numbers I've seen used a lot. I work with 6).

Vibration - An oscillation of the parts of an elastic solid whose equilibrium has been distorted


This has the potential to get very complex very quickly. A new thread may be in order.

[crosby]

here is a link to some interesting dialog about the density/dimension conundrum. it is difficult to find any real scientific data but i am looking. will post more when i find something worthy.

http://www.worldtrans.org/lyssa/density.html

regards, corson

http://antitheology.wordpress.com/2011/03/11/the-seven-densities/
[url]http://www.spaceandmotion.com/[/url

9Gt9qDBFKcE

[SilentFeathers]

Here's some predictions not based on any channeling, densities, quantum magic (or any kind of magic) ET messages, crystal balls, decks of cards...etc etc etc.....just based on pure guess work according to observations and research.

Possible 7.0 or larger quake in California with in the next 72hrs.

They will pick the next pope on March 14th.

Obama will do and or say something absolutely mind boggling while in Israel, Probably on the 22nd.

Comet Panstarrs is really being considered a sign from/of The God Pan by certain groups of people (most likely the conclave is one of those groups of people.)


Pan is the god of the wild, shepherds and flocks, nature of mountain wilds, hunting and rustic music, and companion of the nymphs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_(god)

I could go on and on but some may consider me getting a bit carried away!

[RMorgan]

Now, please, anyone. Correct me if I´m wrong ( and I may be wrong indeed). I´d love to hear a truly cohesive explanation about all of this.

I found an old Avalon thread about densities/dimensions:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2743

It might answer your question, but then again it is a whole different thing that will you actually believe it.

I can´t access that thread for some reason, but thanks anyway my friend.



Density - density of light (measured multidimensionally, and with light being the manifest fabric of the infinite universe)


That´s the point, Anchor. If someone manage to explain me how they measured light multidimensionally, then I´ll consider such theory.

I mean, if it was measured, it means that they used tools/equipment/methodology to measure, right? Otherwise, you can´t say it was measured, in the first place.

The main question remains; How did they measured such densities to elaborate such a well defined density classification table?

You see, what I´m trying to do is to uncomplicate something that apparently was deliberately crafted to confuse.

So, in order to enlighten myself about such subject, I´d like to hear the following clarifications:

1- What is the definition of the word density as people in the new age circle use it?
2- What is the subject of density, ie; soul, spirit, etc.
3- How the subject was examined in order to define it´s density; What methodology and apparel was used to conclude, as an example, that humans have density n°3, light bodies have density n°5, angels have density n°8 and then to formulate a whole table of nominal density.
4- What´s the mechanics involved in the process of changing densities?

Well, if all this stuff was made to look scientific, using scientific jargon such as quantum, dimension, frequency and density, then I need to know the trajectory of such theory, how it was constructed, from start to finish.

Look at the chemical elements table, as an example. If you ask a good Chemist to explain it to you, how it was conceived and what are the principles involved in the elaboration of such table, he would certainly be able to explain it to you clearly, without embarrassing himself in the process.

On the other hand, I´ve heard many new age celebrities trying to explain the deal behind the "densities" theory with no cohesion at all. They can´t even achieve a common definition among each other. If it´s such a good and widespread theory, they should know better, right?

It´s relatively simple to explain how to measure the density of planets, stars, rocks, gases and liquids. If someone managed to measure the density of "multidimensional light", or the soul, they need to explain how they did it.

If there isn´t a relatively simple explanation, it´s probably because there is none and the whole theory is unfounded, meaning that it has no solid foundation whatsoever.

Raf.

[Wind]

Anchor did a really wonderful job describing the densities/dimensions. It indeed is a very complex topic...

[Hervé]

[...]

Do you really think that all of a sudden, all alienated and ignorant individuals that compose the vast majority of Earth´s population, will awake like magic, or better yet, "quantum" magic?

[...]

Cheers,

Raf.

Now, c'mon Raf... of course they will... with a little help from "The Machine" (with a warm welcome from "God"): Must Read: The Matrix Deciphered by Dr Robert Duncan (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56002-Must-Read-The-Matrix-Deciphered-by-Dr-Robert-Duncan/page3)


***********************



Regarding Dolores Canon, hypnosis and how the results compare to reality:




On those ancient civilizations, there is a lot of “golden age” mythology that looks to some distant past when our ancestors had something wonderful that we lost. I am highly wary of those myths anymore, and wonder if there is any fact at all behind them. There have been many New Age myths about the Mayans and Anasazi ascending, advanced technological civilizations that are no more, how all that ancient stonework must have had ET technology behind it, and so on. As the toolset of anthropologists has improved and the efforts of reconstruction have become more multidisciplinary, many of those myths have evaporated. Epic droughts brought an end to the Classic Mayans and the Anasazi, and their declines were not pretty. As anthropologists learned to decipher the Mayan glyphs, the story that came clear was that the Mayans were like all the other ancient civilizations, with elites playing their games, with wars and politics centering around who got the benefit of the agricultural surplus, etc. The Classic Mayan phase ended in a bloodbath, as the city-states warred over shrinking resources. The Anasazi deforested their environment, which contributed to their decline. By the time of the collapse, they were importing logs from as far as fifty miles away, and cannibalism marked their end.



The lessons that our ancient ancestors have to teach us may mostly be cautionary.




[...]

Wade




In corroboration of the above paragraph:



BYUEnwxPVGk





udpC4P6-Rjo





the full set, in 5 parts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bab6kDtFTJA&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYUEnwxPVGk&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB-N4Cz8N5o&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miDcdemaTac&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udpC4P6-Rjo&feature=relmfu






Now compare the above to this Dolores Canon interpretation of the same event from the data she collected from patients under "deep hypnosis":




http://the2012scenario.com/2011/05/delores-cannon-the-mayan-calendar-2012-and-the-new-earth/



The first few minutes of the above video from Dolores were enough for me to realize that something is amiss with her and her results.



With no crops growing... the harvest was of the souls... what a way to ascend!

[Beren]

Anchor;

This has the potential to get very complex very quickly. A new thread may be in order.

Indeed. Here I just have a little revelation from the spirit.
The one who measures densities is the one who imagines itself as a member of one particular, with tendency to either ascend or descend.
The one who we are by nature is out of density beings.

We are God`s children and God itself so we`re able to travel through densities by choice of our will. How and why?

Because our essence and true nature is outside of space and time. Hence we are not bounded by either. Though we sometimes so deeply enjoy the particular density or dimension that we repeatedly return there.
Until we say:"That`s enough. I`m off now."

At a single thought we can travel in whatever density we so choose. Because we are the Source.
Beauty is in remembering this and consciously doing this all the time.

Spirit insight for now over & out

:)

[Quantum Odyssey]

The word Quantum is used because it is a method Dolores Cannon has developed over the last 50yrs and she has written 18some books on the subject and her findings from thousands of sessions. As to why exactly she choose to name her method Quantum you will have to ask her.

There are over 2000 people she has personally trained in her method of Quantum Healing Hypnosis. These two thousand people are from nearly every continent accept Antarctica and the Arctic. We as practitioners all share our collective experience with each other via a private forum.

It's fascinating that in the same week someone from Shanghai, Brisbane, London, New Zealand, Spain, Brazil, Arkansas to California in 4 or more languages reports start to come in all indicating the same information of vibrational attunements to that flash of blue that takes place etc.

How does that happen? I don't know...Why does it happen? I do believe that once to shut down the conscious mind via hypnosis and or meditation people from all over the world are able to tap into that field of knowledge.

As for the left brainers here I can understand your frustration. You want scientific proof, the how's and why's of it all and feel compeled to condemn what you don't understand.

Don't get me wrong..I do believe we all should be discerning, that is why we were born with a brain and the ability to critically think. I don't believe everything I read nor hear..I don't believe everything Dolores says either.
But I do try to keep an open mind to it all because the minute you KNOW anything you close your mind and stop learning.

Interpretation is everything and that is why there are so many variations on new subjects such as the 5th dimension, ascension, awakening etc.

Describe the color blue. Describe the color blue to a blind person who has never seen colors before. What is the color blue? How is the color blue different than other colors? Why is it called blue? Who's idea was that? Maybe blue is really yellow and "they" have been lying to us this whole time.
What is seen under QHH or channeling or vision quest work is seen yet severally limited by the only available words to describe something utterly foreign to our concept of reality with no context to relate it to.

Native American Indian elders described what they saw in their vision quests..the iron horse is coming and it will scar the land etc. how else was the elder to explain the train and the railroad in anything other than terms available in his language.

Think about it...open your minds.

[Chip]

Ok, I'll bite
Been following this thread for the past couple of days and it has been interesting.
Once again we are given a Date. A timeline based on Intuition.
What is Intuition? Is it someone else's thought that makes us happy and feel safe in a time of fearful speculation. Or is it truly our Own? And how can we tell the difference?
Now we have to "get ready" again. Prepare for a grand metaphysical change. This reminds me of growing up in the Roman Catholic Cult of my childhood. Time for confession, so that we can profess our sins and "get ready".
Now please don't get offended, because I myself feel a strong change taking place. Something that boils in my gut yet gives me great hope. I can't define it though nor prove it.
But I don't feel I need to join any group or buy into any book title or Author to help me "get ready" .
For me the grand pleasure of simply enjoying this great ride, through its ups and downs and further turmoils and at the same time living in Love. Is enough.
I don't know if this qualifies being ready or not. But it is the best I can do.
If I have to do the Merkaba for 6 months or meditate on a cotton Matt during a solar eclipse while sniffing grape seed extract. Well, then I guess I will just have to stick with being 3D.

[RMorgan]

Thanks for you answer, my friend.


The word Quantum is used because it is a method Dolores Cannon has developed over the last 50yrs and she has written 18some books on the subject and her findings from thousands of sessions. As to why exactly she choose to name her method Quantum you will have to ask her.

Frankly, if she wrote 18 books on the subject and didn´t explain why she calls it Quantum Hypnosis in any of them, then I wont even bother asking her for a deeper explanation.

Again, don´t get me wrong. I know hypnosis works and there are countless documented reports of amazing real, measurable and concrete clinical results achieved through hypnotherapy.

What I don´t and even can´t understand is where the word "quantum" fits in all of it.


As for the left brainers here I can understand your frustration. You want scientific proof, the how's and why's of it all and feel compeled to condemn what you don't understand.


Regarding this issue, I´m not frustrated at all.

I´m just a man who likes to question things; If it puts me on the brainer category, then I´ll take it as a compliment.

Anyway, I´m not condemning such theory because I can´t understand it; I´m questioning it because even the preachers of such theory seem to be unable to make it understandable.

I mean, if I´m a brainer, it means that I´m fairly smart; If they can´t explain the fundamentals of such theory to me in a cohesive way, it´s probably not because of my lack of intellectual capacity, but because the theory itself can´t be explained, which leads it to the state of not being a theory at all, but mere unfounded speculation.

If something was measured, qualified and classified, and someone developed a theory out of such measurements, I just want to know how. Am I asking too much here?

I someone understands the foundation behind the density issue, such person should be able to explain it to me, right? I´m listening. I want to understand it.

Like if someone said to me that according to the ultimate mathematics theory available, 2+2=6, I´d say "Ok, but could you please show me how this result was achieved?"

So, there´s a conclusion, the result of a theory´s development. I just want to know how this result was achieved, so I can understand it and maybe, depending on the explanation, accept it.

I´m a very open minded individual but it doesn´t mean I threw my brain on the dump. I´ll never simply believe something just because someone told me so, independently if that person had written a thousand books on the subject.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Quantum Odyssey]

No offense taken none meant.. Ha not brainer, The term I used is Left Brainer as in those who primarily use the left hemisphere I.e. mathematicians, scientists, accountants ...the ones who like concrete physical proof of everything. if they cant see nor verify through scientific method it does exist etc.
As opposed to right brainers who are the creatives, artists, etc
Neither is right nor wrong, both groups use their brains only think differently.

[RMorgan]

No offense taken none meant.. Ha not brainer, The term I used is Left Brainer as in those who primarily use the left hemisphere I.e. mathematicians, scientists, accountants ...the ones who like concrete physical proof of everything. if they cant see nor verify through scientific method it does exist etc.
As opposed to right brainers who are the creatives, artists, etc
Neither is right nor wrong, both groups use their brains only think differently.

Thanks for pointing my misunderstanding. English is not my first language, so I´m still fighting to overcome the language barrier.

Could you believe I´m an artist? Yes, I make a good living out of creativity. :)

However, I have a very good scientific mind as well. I love science.

I guess that means I use both of my brain´s hemispheres in balance.

Anyway, I don´t need proof to believe things; Beliefs don´t require proof, of course.

I need proof to know things, and if something was brought to the realm of knowledge, shaped as a theory that includes the use of several well established scientific jargon, then I need to know the process behind the development of such.

As long as people continue to refer to this density issue as if it is a form of science; As long as people keep giving lectures and selling thousands of books on this subject as if it has scientific profundity; Then I will rightfully request for proof and evidence.

At the moment people admit that there´s nothing scientific to it; That the applied scientific jargon are purely embellishments, then I will just treat it as I treat all beliefs; with respect and impartiality.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Anchor]

That´s the point, Anchor. If someone manage to explain me how they measured light multidimensionally, then I´ll consider such theory.

I mean, if it was measured, it means that they used tools/equipment/methodology to measure, right? Otherwise, you can´t say it was measured, in the first place.

The main question remains; How did they measured such densities to elaborate such a well defined density classification table?

You see, what I´m trying to do is to uncomplicate something that apparently was deliberately crafted to confuse.

I think I need some time and will answer this in more detail later.

At some point, the finite world of physics gives way to the undefined world of the infinite and we take our steps into the pathless land, the noosphere of the "unknown".

Staking an intellectual claim in that space, especially when you cant prove anything is never going to result in cleanly resolved understanding and will end up with differences of opinion.

Threads like this explore the borders between the known and the unknown.

Complexity is inevitable, as is the opportunities for people to exploit the confusion for their own ends. I think we both want to try to do something about that.

I will try to get more specific in a couple of days if not tonight (my time).

You may in the mean time, tell me its not worth the effort, if you do, I can respect that. I may still try anyway because its one way for me to learn.

[RMorgan]

You may in the mean time, tell me its not worth the effort, if you do, I can respect that. I may still try anyway because its one way for me to learn.

Far from it man! Every insight you may have regarding this or any other subject will be highly appreciated!

I´m just trying to clarify things here as much as you. I hope we can learn from each other in the process.

For now, I don´t agree or disagree with the density/ascension idea itself for I see it as a belief and, as such, I reserve me the right to remain impartial.

The only thing regarding this that I strongly oppose to is the fact that they try to pass it as science, as something that involves a logic, as an observable phenomenon that can be measured and quantified.

So, As far as I can observe, this issue is pure and simple pseudoscience.



Pseudoscience is a claim, belief, or practice which is presented as scientific, but does not adhere to a valid scientific method, lacks supporting evidence or plausibility, cannot be reliably tested, or otherwise lacks scientific status.

Pseudoscience is often characterized by the use of vague, contradictory, exaggerated or unprovable claims, an over-reliance on confirmation rather than rigorous attempts at refutation, a lack of openness to evaluation by other experts, and a general absence of systematic processes to rationally develop theories.

The definition fits perfectly, right? Really, it fits like a glove..."a general absence of systematic processes to rationally develop theories".

Unfortunately, pseudoscientific artifices have been used for centuries to add fabricated value to superficial ideas which don´t have enough substance to stand on their own, attracting the attention of uneducated persons who lack the means to properly evaluate such ideas, for several purposes; the financial purpose being the most common.

Raf.

[Delight]

That´s the point, Anchor. If someone manage to explain me how they measured light multidimensionally, then I´ll consider such theory.

I mean, if it was measured, it means that they used tools/equipment/methodology to measure, right? Otherwise, you can´t say it was measured, in the first place.

The main question remains; How did they measured such densities to elaborate such a well defined density classification table?

You see, what I´m trying to do is to uncomplicate something that apparently was deliberately crafted to confuse.


At some point, the finite world of physics gives way to the undefined world of the infinite and we take our steps into the pathless land, the noosphere of the "unknown".

Staking an intellectual claim in that space, especially when you cant prove anything is never going to result in cleanly resolved understanding and will end up with differences of opinion.

Threads like this explore the borders between the known and the unknown.

Complexity is inevitable, as is the opportunities for people to exploit the confusion for their own ends. I think we both want to try to do something about that.

Thanks Mindy for a lift today. George Kavassilas has targeted the Equinox for something big too. He has held to this date with changes in what he believes may occur.

Oh Joy, I love the vision of a blue light sweeping through the collective mind and all the synthetic programs wiped clean. It sounds like Metanoia that is talked about in Christianity.

We absolutely have many different opinions about what is possible and I hear that I AM the observer of my experience. This gives me rights and responsibilities. Lots I cannot mentally grasp.

Taking into account that the observer is absolutely necessary for a wave to collapse to a particle, I believe that some of us have become capable of very unusual observation. It has to do with capacity to have a larger frame of reference.

Walter Russell is so beyond my brain comprehension and his science may disagree with other "views" but this picture is totally engrossing. The capacity to comprehend more and the ability to understand what is true is my intention.

http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss173/Romo_Land/DESKTOP726-PC/Russell%20Art/2357705178_8bd6721dd1_b.jpg

[syrwong]

IMHO Chanellers or whoever using the subconcious are never able to pinpoint a time, even in year terms. When they experience the future, they are lost in time (because it does not exist?) and cannot bring back the time information. Nevertheless, this month of March is important because of the arrival of the last pope. I have a feeling that his coming may be 'heralded' with something big, like the lightnings of 112.

[RMorgan]

Thanks Mindy for a lift today. George Kavassilas has targeted the Equinox for something big too. He has held to this date with changes in what he believes may occur.

Yes, he predicted that Earth itself will become a star...I´ll let him alone, first because planets totally lack the properties to become stars and second because he already has one of the most extensive collections of failed ascension predictions among all the new age gurus.



The capacity to comprehend more and the ability to understand what is true is my intention.


I really liked the image and I agree 100% with this sentence, mate.

However, if we already made mistakes regarding the hard science achieved from what we can observe with our five senses, which is indeed a small spectrum of existence, let alone the mistakes we´ve made regarding beliefs based on the unobservable, specially religion and its consequences.

Regarding ascension, even if it is a phenomenon connected to the unobservable part of the spectrum, just like gravity, which its also unobservable by itself, its results should be observable.

So, if someone here ever ascend to the 5D, please, let me know about it. Then I´ll believe it. I must say that is very likely that we both die from old age without seeing the fantasy of ascension materialize.

Raf.

[panopticon]

What is the background of the participant "E" in this session.
Was there a predisposition towards, or anticipation of, certain events occurring in the future that coloured the responses of "E".

-- Pan

[enfoldedblue]

Hi, I can still only get online on my ph...but just figured out how to cut and paste. While i absolutely do not subscribe to dates, and believe the shift to be a process more than an event, i was struck by content of the hypnosis session because there are consistencies with a vision i had a few years ago. Here is what i wrote right after.

I experienced an incredibly beautiful, rich, loving energy that was moving as a network of blue currents over the planet. It vibrated at both a high, ecstatic frequency, and rumbled slowly like sexy thunder, penetrating and re-establishing itself deep in the hearts of all that are open. I could see that this power is limitless, and understood that once established it has the capacity to spread like a tidal wave.The beauty was so overwhelming I cried deliriously. I felt in complete awe, and was graciously humbled by the absolute exquisite nature of what I had just witnessed.As my consciousness re-focused on my present, physical surrounds I was left with the echoing of a thought “we cannot even begin to imagine the depth and beauty of what is afoot.”

[Hervé]

Hi everyone!

Some of you may remember this one:


Some "old fashion" way of looking at things:

Density:

It's only the amount of material contained in a unit of space... hence a degree of condensation of said material within a unit of space (volume).

What changes the density of any material is its state of "agitation" or the speed at which it is vibrating (frequency).

Hence, iron whether in solid, liquid or gaseous state... is still "iron," that's something that's lost to too many.

In this physical universe, what allows transitions from one range of density to another is "heat" (radiated energy) which provides the energy to agitate (liquefy) or de-agitate (solidify, when withdrawn) molecules relationships.

In the spiritual universe, my take is that the equivalent to "heat" is "love" but it's still a "universe" reducible to 3 dimensions....


Dimension/Space:

Now, for the big shock: Any space can be reduced to three, and only three (3) dimensions.

Time is only a factor introduced to re-arrange the space that remains a 3-dimensional one.

Any universe which uses space to locate objects in it has only three dimensions since the prerequisite for interaction is the possibility of interferences between waves (frequency matching allowing for holographic constructions; vivid "dreams" more "real" than physical "reality").

Time travel is only a looking at that space with a specific arrangement of the various objects in it. Hence the different remote viewing outcomes depending on the variables/factors taken into account.


So... "transdimensionals"... not quite, but better sounding than "transdensity manifestations." Etc...


To summarize, instead of invoking the "Dear dad, forgive them for they know not of what they speaketh," I would say "Man! Bust these miscreants for confusing the issue beyond recognition!"

It follows that anything from "higher densities" which has the ability to interfere with this universe must have this universe's "dimensions" in common. Otherwise it wouldn't be able to interfere or interact with this universe... and that's a 3 dimensional universe/space (hence, there aren't any other dimensions beyond length, width and height).


Anything that is part of a universe (whatever the density it's at in its existence) is interferable with because, at that particular density, it has a physicality, i.e energies or "things" can interfere with any other part of that particular universe.

Only that which has remained outside of universes (i.e. outside of space with a time modifier) is untouched but also unaware (no perception for a non-created universe that’s not its own)

So, densities can be extrapolated into the higher frequency ranges beyond FTL and frequencies/waves can still produce interferences and standing waves and therefore create "solid" holograms within a frequency/density range... we just need to create instruments to detect and measure FTL frequencies :)

Then one runs into the abyss of no space, and therefore no time, when the wavelength gets to "zero" with an infinitely high frequency/speed. That's the domain of a true "static" define as a quality that has no dimension, no mass, no wavelength and no location which is the definition of "ZERO" as being not a thing but yet affects existing things... hence having "qualities."

[Flash]

Hi everyone!

Some of you may remember this one:


Some "old fashion" way of looking at things:

Density:

It's only the amount of material contained in a unit of space... hence a degree of condensation of said material within a unit of space (volume).

What changes the density of any material is its state of "agitation" or the speed at which it is vibrating (frequency).

Hence, iron whether in solid, liquid or gaseous state... is still "iron," that's something that's lost to too many.

In this physical universe, what allows transitions from one range of density to another is "heat" (radiated energy) which provides the energy to agitate (liquefy) or de-agitate (solidify, when withdrawn) molecules relationships.

In the spiritual universe, my take is that the equivalent to "heat" is "love" but it's still a "universe" reducible to 3 dimensions....


Dimension/Space:

Now, for the big shock: Any space can be reduced to three, and only three (3) dimensions.

Time is only a factor introduced to re-arrange the space that remains a 3-dimensional one.

Any universe which uses space to locate objects in it has only three dimensions since the prerequisite for interaction is the possibility of interferences between waves (frequency matching allowing for holographic constructions; vivid "dreams" more "real" than physical "reality").

Time travel is only a looking at that space with a specific arrangement of the various objects in it. Hence the different remote viewing outcomes depending on the variables/factors taken into account.


So... "transdimensionals"... not quite, but better sounding than "transdensity manifestations." Etc...


To summarize, instead of invoking the "Dear dad, forgive them for they know not of what they speaketh," I would say "Man! Bust these miscreants for confusing the issue beyond recognition!"

It follows that anything from "higher densities" which has the ability to interfere with this universe must have this universe's "dimensions" in common. Otherwise it wouldn't be able to interfere or interact with this universe... and that's a 3 dimensional universe/space (hence, there aren't any other dimensions beyond length, width and height).


Anything that is part of a universe (whatever the density it's at in its existence) is interferable with because, at that particular density, it has a physicality, i.e energies or "things" can interfere with any other part of that particular universe.

Only that which has remained outside of universes (i.e. outside of space with a time modifier) is untouched but also unaware (no perception for a non-created universe that’s not its own)

So, densities can be extrapolated into the higher frequency ranges beyond FTL and frequencies/waves can still produce interferences and standing waves and therefore create "solid" holograms within a frequency/density range... we just need to create instruments to detect and measure FTL frequencies :)

Then one runs into the abyss of no space, and therefore no time, when the wavelength gets to "zero" with an infinitely high frequency/speed. That's the domain of a true "static" define as a quality that has no dimension, no mass, no wavelength and no location which is the definition of "ZERO" as being not a thing but yet affects existing things... hence having "qualities."

Knowingly or not AmerZo, you are right in into the deep breath of very high spirituality. How often advance people have said that beyond knowing there was nothing, a flat line, with qualities. The Source that wants to project itself into illusion/hologramsDensities/dimensions to know itself. Illusion because nothing is. Illusion being the experiencer.

[greybeard]

I dont have the scientific background to full understand the excellent posts on dimensions ---I mainly right brained now also.

As a parallel Dr David Hawkins said that we are about to see a new earth not as such through a physical change but as a change in perception.
When asked about The Book of Revelations he said that it was channelled and of a low vibration and that Armageddon would be fought out on the lower astral.
A change in perception makes sense to me in two ways.
1st--- there are things present out with our visual and audio range at this moment-- can be seen with ultra violet and other modifications etc.
2nd --if we literally see things differently (mentally, emotionally, included) we change things.---the observer affect.
Let us hope
Chris

[Kiforall]

Am I right in thinking that the fat controllers could stage an awakening, whether it be alien disclosure, trying to introduce the aliens as humanities saviours or a second coming etc and use mind control technology to transmit loving frequencies around the world?

Considering the negative aspects of mind control it seems obvious that if they can control us/influence with negative attacks then they must have the positive emotions at hand. The link above to deciphering the mind matrix would seem to back that up.

Also with society being in a state of panic and depression it wouldn't take alot of loving frequency to sway people into believing anything that was surrounded in a loving feeling.

The whole manipulation of society, children being brought up in stressful, unloving environments. The sexual abuse, the increase in available porn which is literally rammed down our throats. Love seems so difficult to achieve in these times. Everybody wants it but not many can achieve it.

I think a simulated/virtual love is going to be used against us, to have us follow the next deception, whatever that may be and unless you are aware of how empty that love is going to be you're screwed. How many people who have never experienced true love will be able to differentiate between what may be coming.

I'm just throwing out conspiracy idea's, trying to think a step ahead of these morons.

http://www.oshoteachings.com/osho-ego-is-like-darkness-it-is-the-absence-of-love/
Osho – Love is not something to be obtained from the outside. Love is the music of your inner being. Nobody can give you love. Love can arise within you, but it cannot be obtained from the outside. There is no shop, no market, no salesman where you can buy love. Love cannot be bought at any cost. Love is an inner flowering. It arises from some dormant energy within, yet all of us search for love outside. All of us search for love in the beloved – which is an absolutely false and futile action.

[araucaria]

Here's some predictions not based on any channeling, densities, quantum magic (or any kind of magic) ET messages, crystal balls, decks of cards...etc etc etc.....just based on pure guess work according to observations and research.

Possible 7.0 or larger quake in California with in the next 72hrs.



4.7 at Indian Wells - guesswork is clearly not good enough :)

http://www.eurosport.fr/tennis/indian-wells-1/2013/indian-wells-nadal-qualifie-sans-jouer-mais-marque-par-le-tremblement-de-terre_sto3661617/story.shtml

[Prodigal Son]

Am I right in thinking that the fat controllers could stage an awakening, whether it be alien disclosure, trying to introduce the aliens as humanities saviours or a second coming etc and use mind control technology to transmit loving frequencies around the world?

Yep. They thought of that a long time ago. It's called Project Blue Beam

nPAYbbGLYlE

[Flash]

Am I right in thinking that the fat controllers could stage an awakening, whether it be alien disclosure, trying to introduce the aliens as humanities saviours or a second coming etc and use mind control technology to transmit loving frequencies around the world?

Considering the negative aspects of mind control it seems obvious that if they can control us/influence with negative attacks then they must have the positive emotions at hand. The link above to deciphering the mind matrix would seem to back that up.

Also with society being in a state of panic and depression it wouldn't take alot of loving frequency to sway people into believing anything that was surrounded in a loving feeling.

The whole manipulation of society, children being brought up in stressful, unloving environments. The sexual abuse, the increase in available porn which is literally rammed down our throats. Love seems so difficult to achieve in these times. Everybody wants it but not many can achieve it.

I think a simulated/virtual love is going to be used against us, to have us follow the next deception, whatever that may be and unless you are aware of how empty that love is going to be you're screwed. How many people who have never experienced true love will be able to differentiate between what may be coming.

I'm just throwing out conspiracy idea's, trying to think a step ahead of these morons.

http://www.oshoteachings.com/osho-ego-is-like-darkness-it-is-the-absence-of-love/
Osho – Love is not something to be obtained from the outside. Love is the music of your inner being. Nobody can give you love. Love can arise within you, but it cannot be obtained from the outside. There is no shop, no market, no salesman where you can buy love. Love cannot be bought at any cost. Love is an inner flowering. It arises from some dormant energy within, yet all of us search for love outside. All of us search for love in the beloved – which is an absolutely false and futile action.

Awaken people, spiritually awaken people, will know the difference between artificial love and real stuff. If such a wave ever happens, these are the first one we have to listen. They are few in between, and lots of "awakened" are not at all in reality, no more than you and me. Make sure you know one who does not play through the tv and habitual channels. Personnaly know one.

Second, attune your own heart to its maximum, because it will be needed anyhow and it can differentiate truth and falsity.

Osho is right by the way, in my opinion.

[Carmody]

Any attempt to shift humanity for nefarious purposes, is going to have to be slow enough so that the general public does not realize it is happening.

If the moves become too fast..these moves will shift to being above the line in the sense of being noticed by all.

Fast... is inherently dangerous for those who attempt to shift things for personal or nefarious reasons. If they move too fast, it will break their attempt. Predators work beneath the consciousness radar level. They cannot get it done any other way, is the general point to take away from this.

Shifts can only hit the public eye and mind when it is too late for anything to be done about it. That is what the nefarious want and this is how they have always operated.

~~~~~~
If there is an attempt to shift humanity for so-called 'good' purposes, it too must stay below the radar of humanity's public or group consciousness, until it is a thing that is slowly creeping into the consciousness of all, then it can move faster, and more openly.

Any other method breaks humanity's group motions and shatters in into reactionary messes. Too sharp a change is not unified, it is a break into a multitude of responses, running off in all kinds of directions. To do it slowly, or it is not an advancement as a group... - but a shattered breaking.

We may personally desire to move fast, but a group motion of moving fast... would only be a shattering, not a group motion. it can only be sped up by a general move toward a more prevalent and more shared knowing.

This can only be a situation where some will be crying that it is all crap, some saying it is fine and some not recognizing anything at all. and so on. Until enough people begin to know, any fast move is a very, very, very ...bad idea.

~~~~~~~~~~

The problem is that..until enough people know, or enough if it has moved..both a nefarious agenda and any possible 'good' agenda..will very likely look the same to most people. That there is motion, but discerning exactly what that motion is....is near impossible to share beyond a individual level. And even those ''becoming aware individuals' will become confused about what is going on, at times.

Even crazier, this falls into the hands of any nefarious agenda.. and it is also a requirement for any possible good agenda, as both require confusion.

One requires confusion so it can advance the nefarious motions and the other requires confusion until enough people are individually understanding what is going on...so there is no shattering of the 'all group'.

~~~~~~~~~~~

When a person dreams, especially dreams from forward time (red and blue shift, in this case blue-forward time), they say the dream is placed in the mind as a single moment, a 'flash' of the data all at once, and that it come in as a mirrored reflection, a reversal in all parameters. And then we have to unwind this flash, to interpret it 'inside out' (white is black and so on). That when we dream the future, it is a flash, a block of data read backward in all ways, like speed reading a full sheet of paper at once, where it is reverse in all ways, black is white, top is bottom, lettering reverse, and so on. Coming through INTO linear time, like a micro-nano (teraherz and beyond) lens, through into the wave-particle function of linear forward time HERE, in this reality..through the atomic structure as we call it. Lensed in all ways, including time.

When we look at the multidimensional flow or wave function in the motion of the planets as a energetic propagation pattern, but 3-d and in time..we can possibly begin to see it. Now, imagine that flow done backward, as it is in a reflected dimensional construct, lensed through into this space, via quantum function.

The planets and the astrology are directly connected to your time flow, your life flow, or original expression when you came here, and how it develops and flows over time.

These 'lumps' of matter, these planets, as a differential, are like lumps in water (altering flow patterns), a water matrix that is vibrating and has a flow, like a river. then each lump or planter has it's own geometric interference pattern, due to this vibration and flow pattern.

Think of this water and flow being electrical plasma, quantum plasma that is dimensionally connected. And it is much, much much bigger... than you or I. That it drives our flow and connectivity/expression, not the other way around.

Astrology works, to the tune of being at least 85% accurate, which is alarmingly high for a linear minded scientist. The problem that this presents to science, is that if it (science) looks at astrology, this says that many assumptions of what is 'real' in linear science, to this day..are wrong, or in need of a re-vamping.

We all end up bouncing around, being in sync...expressing and living by the flow of the planets and their motions. All of human expression, individually and as a group. As well as the sunspot activity and so on.

Now, if this is also happening in the time sense in a mirrored reverse, what exactly is it that we are driving toward, in our linear 'consciousness' forward time lives?

Astrology says things that makes linear science literally crap itself. (Everything flows out of astrology, it is the mother of all sciences, math, and human rumination)

Astrology is also something that all major political groups use, all major corporations, world leaders, secret societies, and so on. they ALL use it heavily, as it works. it is an excellent predictive science, for world and localized trending, depending on how it is used.

look to the quantum and look to the heavens, is what it says. Time and reality is NOT what you think it is, it says..as plain as day and right in your face.

Thus, understanding becomes a personal willingness and personal awareness issue, and is not a group mind issue, except for the point that most react and act out this huge and all inclusive dance... in a state of unconsciousness about the whole complex affair.

And the predators among us desire to keep all those people OUT of knowing or recognizing all of this..as then they would cease to be controllable via this ignorance.

~~~~~~~~~~~

The point to take away is that the mystery schools and all the spiritual teachings say one thing. That it is personal. One at a time, one serving at at time, one person at a time. That discernment and rumination is a thing for the individual to conquer, it is not an animal mass motion here, not in the slightest.

When and if enough people are aware and in motion on this aspect of PERSONAL AND INNER growth and realization..THEN we can have this thing move forward in a recognizably group consciousness manner. Until then, it will be a stick shoved into your individual eye, to wake you up. Personal inner transformation is key. And the stick in your eye will become more and more persistent until it is impossible to ignore.

Is it a nefarious agenda and we are being screwed over, or... is it at push to personal wakening so we can all move together?

It is impossible to separate the two at this point, which is entirely the point (!), no matter who or what is doing the driving.

[Flash]

I like your explanation Carmody, I think..... I understand it -lol-;)

Just to check, are you saying for example, in a down to earth matter, that the blue wave is in fact red for example, that the blessing coming on a blue wave may be in fact something quite different?

Or, are visions and dreams the same (I bet not). Where those in fact visions since they were under hypnosis, or is hypnosis linked to the dream state.

What is the difference in your views.

Thanks

[turiya]

*Edit*

Quantum Odyssey wrote:

I have experienced dematerialization physically...
Its been said that "seeing is believing".
I submit that this accepted premise is false. On the contrary "believing is seeing".

Derren Brown - Invisible Man


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTobS-09fBQ

turiya :cool:

[Calz]

I like your explanation Carmody, I think..... I understand it -lol-;)



... you think you like his explanation??? http://www.pic4ever.com/images/chase.gif

... or you think you understand it??? http://www.pic4ever.com/images/122fs329172.gif


No doubt 4th density 5th dimension foot in both worlds on several timelines kind of quantum thinking going on there ...

:dirol:

[RMorgan]

Hi everyone!

Some of you may remember this one:

Density:

It's only the amount of material contained in a unit of space... hence a degree of condensation of said material within a unit of space (volume).

What changes the density of any material is its state of "agitation" or the speed at which it is vibrating (frequency).

Hence, iron whether in solid, liquid or gaseous state... is still "iron," that's something that's lost to too many.

In this physical universe, what allows transitions from one range of density to another is "heat" (radiated energy) which provides the energy to agitate (liquefy) or de-agitate (solidify, when withdrawn) molecules relationships.

In the spiritual universe, my take is that the equivalent to "heat" is "love" but it's still a "universe" reducible to 3 dimensions....


Hey Amzer Zo,

It´s always nice to read your posts, man.

However, you must remember that density, as referred by the new age folks, is not the same density as referred by science, which is:

Density of a material is its mass per unit volume. Mathematically, density is defined as mass divided by volume. p=m/v

The average human body density is 1408 kg/m3 according to the scientific density definition.

Of course, since we aren´t made out of a single element, we can´t be heated in order to our molecules to become more agitated, bringing our bodies to another state of matter, like liquid water, when boiled, becomes vapor and becomes liquid again without suffering any molecular damage. I would not recommend anyone to try to do this with their own bodies.

So, the scientific concept of density doesn´t really apply in this case; The new age folks invented a whole new (unknown) concept of density, from which they allegedly measured the density of "multidimensional light", and then created a whole table out of it.

So, my questions still remain completely unanswered:

1-How did they measure the alleged densities (1D,2D,3D,4D,5D, all the way to the density of angels...) in the first place?
2-How did they conclude that humans have a third degree density?
3-Supposing that someone manages to answer the first questions, what´s the mechanics behind the process of humans jumping from one density to another?

You see, you probably will not find any answer to such questions because there aren´t any. The new age folks simply invented this density concept; There´s no solidity at all behind this idea.

So far, this new age density concept is pure pseudoscientific mumble jumble until proven the contrary. They hijacked a scientific concept and changed it with absolutely no criteria.

What really baffles me is the fact that people keep repeating this density talk like parrots, without even bothering to question what it is and how it works.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Carmody]

I like your explanation Carmody, I think..... I understand it -lol-;)

Just to check, are you saying for example, in a down to earth matter, that the blue wave is in fact red for example, that the blessing coming on a blue wave may be in fact something quite different?

Or, are visions and dreams the same (I bet not). Where those in fact visions since they were under hypnosis, or is hypnosis linked to the dream state.

What is the difference in your views.

Thanks




Dreams and hypnosis are intimately linked. Not that they are the same, but they are definitely bedfellows.

The trick is to pass through all the layers of unconscious behaviors and automatic autonomous systems..and be consciously in control of all parameters of human existence. to drive the avatar in full connectivity. which is to be free of astrological flow and be free of the limits imposed to being on this planet.

To be hypnotized is to have access ..but the lack of knowing... and lack of (individual conscious) control still be in place.

Which is why the nefarious (CIA and other programmed killers and so on) use brainwashing techniques to create zombified mind slaves and so on. They reinforce programming, they do not break it down for any good reasons.

One has to work their way through their OWN autonomous systems and become fully conscious and in control of themselves. it is an individual works, something for the individual to to, to become, to train the wiring of the neural pathways (which is deathly painful and intensely euphoric all at the same time) I can't do it for you, you must do it for you. If it is externalized into some other person, then it is an animal act and the barrier to unified consciousness of the self is actually closed harder, not opened.

The universe pokes a stick in your eye, to help you recognize that the fix. the repair.. is on the inside and has nothing to do with outside. The outside (external world) is merely the canvas, a reflection.. that the message is written on..

Any external direct pressure I or any other aspect of the world makes.. will very likely reinforce your animal side, not break it free and break it down. Only on deep personal reflection, can external acts and situations be seen to be potentials in understanding.


Blue light is forward time, red light is backward time and violet is the now..violet being the combined blue and red, the juxtaposition of both in the now, the Janus face (one might say, but not accurately) of both, looking in both directions and being balanced in that state...in the one.


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BTW, IIRC...the CIA mind programming uses a BLUE light to enrapture and open the base system of programming of the human avatar. The CIA tries to come through the same door as your original and real avatar programming. And they succeeded, in may critical ways.... in doing so.

The blue light engages the reptilian hindbrain, via the peripheral vision,the original design of the base avatar system. Our original vision/reptile/base system.

It opens the door between base avatar programming and consciousness programming. It is the avatar/dimensional programming/knowing/opening doorway.

(these three tiny paragraphs can change the world as you know it.)

[Flash]

I like your explanation Carmody, I think..... I understand it -lol-;)



... you think you like his explanation??? http://www.pic4ever.com/images/chase.gif

... or you think you understand it??? http://www.pic4ever.com/images/122fs329172.gif


No doubt 4th density 5th dimension foot in both worlds on several timelines kind of quantum thinking going on there ...

:dirol:


LOL yeah, both.

[Fred Steeves]

Carl Sagan explained the differences in dimensions in a very elementary manner, which I can most certainly appreciate. If you read between the lines, he's invoking the Hermetic axiom "as above so below, as below so above".

UnURElCzGc0

[Carmody]

Hi everyone!

Some of you may remember this one:

Density:

It's only the amount of material contained in a unit of space... hence a degree of condensation of said material within a unit of space (volume).

What changes the density of any material is its state of "agitation" or the speed at which it is vibrating (frequency).

Hence, iron whether in solid, liquid or gaseous state... is still "iron," that's something that's lost to too many.

In this physical universe, what allows transitions from one range of density to another is "heat" (radiated energy) which provides the energy to agitate (liquefy) or de-agitate (solidify, when withdrawn) molecules relationships.

In the spiritual universe, my take is that the equivalent to "heat" is "love" but it's still a "universe" reducible to 3 dimensions....


Hey Amzer Zo,

It´s always nice to read your posts, man.

However, you must remember that density, as referred by the new age folks, is not the same density as referred by science, which is:

Density of a material is its mass per unit volume. Mathematically, density is defined as mass divided by volume. p=m/v

The average human body density is 1408 kg/m3 according to the scientific density definition.

Of course, since we aren´t made out of a single element, we can´t be heated in order to our molecules to become more agitated, bringing our bodies to another state of matter, like liquid water, when boiled, becomes vapor and becomes liquid again without suffering any molecular damage. I would not recommend anyone to try to do this with their own bodies.

So, the scientific concept of density doesn´t really apply in this case; The new age folks invented a whole new (unknown) concept of density, from which they allegedly measured the density of "multidimensional light", and then created a whole table out of it.

So, my questions still remain completely unanswered:

1-How did they measure the alleged densities (1D,2D,3D,4D,5D, all the way to the density of angels...) in the first place?
2-How did they conclude that humans have a third degree density?
3-Supposing that someone manages to answer the first questions, what´s the mechanics behind the process of humans jumping from one density to another?

You see, you probably will not find any answer to such questions because there aren´t any. The new age folks simply invented this density concept; There´s no solidity at all behind this idea.

So far, this new age density concept is pure pseudoscientific mumble jumble until proven the contrary. They hijacked a scientific concept and changed it with absolutely no criteria.

What really baffles me is the fact that people keep repeating this density talk like parrots, without even bothering to question what it is and how it works.

Cheers,

Raf.

The aether scientists understood what this sort of statement about density meant and means. The linear minded scientists who took over and pushed them out, they destroyed the chance for you to understand what all that means. You don't have the tools to 'grok' it, until you return to the original works and original understandings.

[Calz]

This thread is a *wonderful* example of how this forum can and should operate on this type of topic.

Very respectful and offering polite yet meaningful exchanges in what would seem paradoxical extremes.

Thanks to all the participants. A real pleasure.


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[Carmody]

Let me make this perfectly clear:



~~~~~~~~~~~

BTW, IIRC...the CIA mind programming uses a BLUE light to enrapture and open the base system of programming of the human avatar. The CIA tries to come through the same door as your original and real avatar programming. And they succeeded, in may critical ways.... in doing so.

The blue light engages the reptilian hindbrain, via the peripheral vision,the original design of the base avatar system. Our original vision/reptile/base system.

It opens the door between base avatar programming and consciousness programming. It is the avatar/dimensional programming/knowing/opening doorway.

(these three tiny paragraphs can change the world as you know it.)

[greybeard]

Michael Gordon Scallion interested me with his map of the earth after changes. http://www.matrixinstitute.com/

There was also a book I read about Hypnosis thirty years ago "Mass dreams of the future" http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/mass-dreams-of-the-future

In the book was the record of 1000s of people being hypnotically progressed to a future life.

Forty years after an event the percentage of people reincarnating was very small--- however as the years went by the % increased.
So the theory was that the population was greatly reduced then slowly started to recover.

As you can see I was reading this kind of thing thirty years ago--- the human race has evolved significantly since then at least from a technological point of view--- however only in the last ten or so years has earth and climate changes really start to ramp up.
It all seems to be accelerating,
I certainly would not dismiss the OP video or Dolores Connons work.
I suspect that quite a few have a significant part of the puzzle--that includes Ed Dames remote viewing.
My thoughts also include the Bible statement---"In a twinkling of an eye there will be a new heaven and a new earth."
Who know where any of this is going.

Chris

[Hervé]

Any attempt to shift humanity for nefarious purposes, is going to have to be slow enough so that the general public does not realize it is happening.

If the moves become too fast..these moves will shift to being above the line in the sense of being noticed by all.

Fast... is inherently dangerous for those who attempt to shift things for personal or nefarious reasons. If they move too fast, it will break their attempt. Predators work beneath the consciousness radar level. They cannot get it done any other way, is the general point to take away from this.

[...]

What better ways to slowly bring the frog to a boil than through "education" and mass media... started with the printing press and accelerated with the internet.

Increasing the "agitation" state of the masses :)

[Quantum Odyssey]

What is the background of the participant "E" in this session.
Was there a predisposition towards, or anticipation of, certain events occurring in the future that coloured the responses of "E".

-- Pan

The participant E is an artist and Reiki master, she meditates daily and works with the morphogentic field to heal peoples pasts and ancestral DNA. She has never gone forward in time with her line of work and healing. She has experienced the Akashic records before spontaneously and briefly. She has no background in metaphysical studies or theories nor studied prophecies ancient or modern other than that. No one was briefed of questions or subject matter in advance of their sessions with me for this project as I didn't want any studying up on any of these subjects. My pure intent was to provide humanity with a perspective through this method for the transition we are experiencing. Simply asked was...What does humanity need to know now? What needs to be shared with many people at this time? Therein lays the table of contents of this book. It was approached loosely and organically as to not restrict the informations potential by being rigid and controlling on my part. It was as much a journey for me as my participants and readers because I had no idea as to what would be revealed.

In this segment that was posted here, once I had her under QHH hypnosis, we went to the hall of records to read the Akashic records.

While agreed "time" doesn't exist in a variety of ways the Akashic records holds all information that ever has been or will be... Since all time exists at the same time, the Akashic records have info from past, present and future albeit fluid... and in flux as time is and time frames can be accessed.
The future changes minute by minute day by day as we too are fluid and in flux and every action we make as an individual and as a collective race changes the course of the future. So nothing is set in stone, unchangeable or fate based.

Yes, I too believe it is a broad time line. March 2013 was given as a starting point as this cosmic conscious spills over our planet. For this reason No day, date nor time was given but merely a point in time where the energy gates open.

I have had people read the Akashic records for me and tell me the month, event and the name of a person who was coming into my life one year in advance. Sure enough it transpired with no planning to manifest this said event on that exact month.
So yes times can be given and transpire if things stay their course at the time that it is read.

I do believe that is why many prophecies have not come to fruition in our lifetimes because we as a collective were able to change the course of events either directly or indirectly, consciously or unconsciously.

Then you have those who believe everything is a lie because it didn't transpire and dismiss the validity of the seer.

It is time instead to realize that WE are part of the problems AND the solutions. We are not just by-standers and victims taken hostage on this wild ride called Life on Earth.

We are indeed the Co-Creators!

[Kiforall]

Let me make this perfectly clear:



~~~~~~~~~~~

BTW, IIRC...the CIA mind programming uses a BLUE light to enrapture and open the base system of programming of the human avatar. The CIA tries to come through the same door as your original and real avatar programming. And they succeeded, in may critical ways.... in doing so.

The blue light engages the reptilian hindbrain, via the peripheral vision,the original design of the base avatar system. Our original vision/reptile/base system.

It opens the door between base avatar programming and consciousness programming. It is the avatar/dimensional programming/knowing/opening doorway.

(these three tiny paragraphs can change the world as you know it.)

Does this technology pick out individuals as they start to become more aware of their conciousness/awake or is it always about and just streams through as they tap into a higher frequency?
I'll re-word it also, do we give off a detectable signal as we become more awake which then gives them a target to attack?

Thanks

[white wizard]

This can only be a situation where some will be crying that it is all crap, some saying it is fine and some not recognizing anything at all. and so on. Until enough people begin to know, any fast move is a very, very, very ...bad idea.

~~~~~~~~~~

The problem is that..until enough people know, or enough if it has moved..both a nefarious agenda and any possible 'good' agenda..will very likely look the same to most people. That there is motion, but discerning exactly what that motion is....is near impossible to share beyond a individual level. And even those ''becoming aware individuals' will become confused about what is going on, at times.

I agree with 95 percent of what you are saying , but I am

impressed in how you put that together. The key points being

there are natural shifts taking place that will continue regardless

of what humans do. Seeing the shift is hard I agree, but I think

it is very possible to do when looking at it from the right angle

which most people either can not do or will not do, because they

hold on strongly to certain beliefs. I myself see the awakening and

the shift happening know it it is slowly but steadily increasing

like a snow ball rolling down a hill. Time will tell and it will be

some time before we see any Earth shattering events, but I think

when they happen they will not be as big the day they happen as

they would be if they happened today. So like most big things

that happen today will go mostly unnoticed, so will the events

of the future unless you are perceptive enough to see them.

[Freed Fox]

~~~~~~~~~~~

BTW, IIRC...the CIA mind programming uses a BLUE light to enrapture and open the base system of programming of the human avatar. The CIA tries to come through the same door as your original and real avatar programming. And they succeeded, in may critical ways.... in doing so.



Carmody, in the highlighted above, are you referring to instances such as the OP? That is, channeled/prophesied materials? Or are you referring more in a general/broad sense? Because if the case is the latter, I must have missed it.


Seeing the shift is hard I agree, but I think

it is very possible to do when looking at it from the right angle

which most people either can not do or will not do, because they

hold on strongly to certain beliefs.

I think it is because there are many more angles which produce a negative perspective, than those which produce a positive one.

[UniVive]

Interesting stuff!
I agree that everything seems to be mirroring what is going on astrologically right now.

Here's a site I looked over yesterday that has charts of Feb. and March of this year, and a bit of info as to what some of it means:
http://www.spiritualsecrets.info/astrology.html


I thought this was a neat 'blue' tidbit in regard to the March 11th chart in the article:
"Astrological charts with thanks to www.astro.com

The "very" spiritual New Moon in Pisces 11th March 2013

Although you see the red lines on the above chart created by Jupiter squares - "technically" after 10th March 2013 - ALL the Jupiter squares have ended - hence it should be a chart of ONLY blues lines of PEACE and HARMONY - and hence a blissfully peaceful time everywhere. "

[white wizard]

What is the background of the participant "E" in this session.
Was there a predisposition towards, or anticipation of, certain events occurring in the future that coloured the responses of "E".

-- Pan

The participant E is an artist and Reiki master, she meditates daily and works with the morphogentic field to heal peoples pasts and ancestral DNA. She has never gone forward in time with her line of work and healing. She has experienced the Akashic records before spontaneously and briefly. She has no background in metaphysical studies or theories nor studied prophecies ancient or modern other than that. No one was briefed of questions or subject matter in advance of their sessions with me for this project as I didn't want any studying up on any of these subjects. My pure intent was to provide humanity with a perspective through this method for the transition we are experiencing. Simply asked was...What does humanity need to know now? What needs to be shared with many people at this time? Therein lays the table of contents of this book. It was approached loosely and organically as to not restrict the informations potential by being rigid and controlling on my part. It was as much a journey for me as my participants and readers because I had no idea as to what would be revealed.

In this segment that was posted here, once I had her under QHH hypnosis, we went to the hall of records to read the Akashic records.

While agreed "time" doesn't exist in a variety of ways the Akashic records holds all information that ever has been or will be... Since all time exists at the same time, the Akashic records have info from past, present and future albeit fluid... and in flux as time is and time frames can be accessed.
The future changes minute by minute day by day as we too are fluid and in flux and every action we make as an individual and as a collective race changes the course of the future. So nothing is set in stone, unchangeable or fate based.

Yes, I too believe it is a broad time line. March 2013 was given as a starting point as this cosmic conscious spills over our planet. For this reason No day, date nor time was given but merely a point in time where the energy gates open.

I have had people read the Akashic records for me and tell me the month, event and the name of a person who was coming into my life one year in advance. Sure enough it transpired with no planning to manifest this said event on that exact month.
So yes times can be given and transpire if things stay their course at the time that it is read.

I do believe that is why many prophecies have not come to fruition in our lifetimes because we as a collective were able to change the course of events either directly or indirectly, consciously or unconsciously.

Then you have those who believe everything is a lie because it didn't transpire and dismiss the validity of the seer.

It is time instead to realize that WE are part of the problems AND the solutions. We are not just by-standers and victims taken hostage on this wild ride called Life on Earth.

We are indeed the Co-Creators!

I have had several readings in the akashic records and March was

pointed out, because I asked question about my future on Earth

after 2012. The change will be gradual but in 2013 the earth was

gonna crank it up a notch. Still I wouldn't expect anything big

just more change in the consciousness grid of the planet, hope fully

that will help set the foundation for more change to come

after 2013. As far as a ascension happening it would have to

come internally and most of us are here for the long haul.

I think a eventual contact scenario in the close future and

dismantling of the NWO elite will be the most likely thing to

occur in the next 10 years, but still the collective consciousness

has to shift before that will happen so who knows how long that

will take.

[Carmody]

I'm going to let my comment sit after bringing attention to it, as ..that's about all that is reasonable to do. I'm just going to let people ponder it on their own. :)

[araucaria]

Any attempt to shift humanity for nefarious purposes, is going to have to be slow enough so that the general public does not realize it is happening.

If the moves become too fast..these moves will shift to being above the line in the sense of being noticed by all.

Fast... is inherently dangerous for those who attempt to shift things for personal or nefarious reasons. If they move too fast, it will break their attempt. Predators work beneath the consciousness radar level. They cannot get it done any other way, is the general point to take away from this.

[...]

What better ways to slowly bring the frog to a boil than through "education" and mass media... started with the printing press and accelerated with the internet.

Increasing the "agitation" state of the masses :)

This is only half of the picture. Carmody also said:


If there is an attempt to shift humanity for so-called 'good' purposes, it too must stay below the radar of humanity's public or group consciousness, until it is a thing that is slowly creeping into the consciousness of all, then it can move faster, and more openly.

[Hervé]

[...]

What better ways to slowly bring the frog to a boil than through "education" and mass media... started with the printing press and accelerated with the internet.

Increasing the "agitation" state of the masses :)

This is only half of the picture. Carmody also said:


If there is an attempt to shift humanity for so-called 'good' purposes, it too must stay below the radar of humanity's public or group consciousness, until it is a thing that is slowly creeping into the consciousness of all, then it can move faster, and more openly.

But that wouldn't fit the picture of boiling a frog... would it?

[Hervé]

[...]

Blue light is forward time, red light is backward time and violet is the now..violet being the combined blue and red, the juxtaposition of both in the now, the Janus face (one might say, but not accurately) of both, looking in both directions and being balanced in that state...in the one.

~~~~~~~~~~~

BTW, IIRC...the CIA mind programming uses a BLUE light to enrapture and open the base system of programming of the human avatar. The CIA tries to come through the same door as your original and real avatar programming. And they succeeded, in may critical ways.... in doing so.

The blue light engages the reptilian hindbrain, via the peripheral vision,the original design of the base avatar system. Our original vision/reptile/base system.

It opens the door between base avatar programming and consciousness programming. It is the avatar/dimensional programming/knowing/opening doorway.

(these three tiny paragraphs can change the world as you know it.)


There is something in the Gypsy/Tzigan tradition called the "Gypsy Garden" having to do with these colors and geometical shapes called "Tables" and which have to do with some geometry of the Chartres cathedral and therefore the Pyramids of Egypt.

They used this garden as a "flying carpet" to "travel" beyond the physical and the mental.

The "Garden" is a square rectangle which perimeter is outlined by a string of purple wool. The "Tables" are two sets of identical squares, circles and rectangles painted red and blue and positioned so as to be visually superimposed onto each other by crossing one's eyes -- as in stereoscopic visionning of aerial photographs -- to generate only one set of a square, circle and rectangle in ones mind... but purple in color (the color combination of blue + red).

With this exercise, as the Tzigans put it, one becomes the bow, the arrow and the bull's eye all at once.

[RMorgan]

The aether scientists understood what this sort of statement about density meant and means. The linear minded scientists who took over and pushed them out, they destroyed the chance for you to understand what all that means. You don't have the tools to 'grok' it, until you return to the original works and original understandings.

Hey Carmody,

How can you be so sure that they knew it?

The only way you could be sure is if you know what they knew, since you probably haven´t observed the direct results of their experiences, ie; density transcendence.

So, if you know what they knew and how they could achieve such conclusions, I would be glad to hear your explanation about the measurements and classifications of densities as discussed in this very fine thread.

If you don´t know what they knew, then you´re simply making an assumption when you state that such scientists understood and knew how to practically apply such concept.

Honestly, I´m trying to understand such concepts; I´m asking for a cohesive explanation and nobody seems to be able to enlighten me on this subject. Absolutely nobody, including the most prominent lecturers of such concept. I´ve read many articles and watched many videos of such characters; All of them just show their measurements and classifications like they were carved in stone but none of them seem to be able to explain how they got there. I´m inclined to think that even them have no idea about what they´re talking about.

So far, the lack of consistent explanations makes me reinforce my perspective that all of this is pure nonsense pseudoscience.

Don´t get me wrong; I believe a shift is possible, but only a cultural shift that would be led by education; A cultural revolution.

All this thing about "density" or dimensional massive ascension, in my opinion, is nothing but a pseudoscientific "theory" which is as full of wholes as French cheese.

This idea of a massive transcendental event has been widespread for thousands of years with many different names, such as salvation, rapture, second coming of jesus, ascension, quantum shift, etc...For me, it´s just a reflection of mankind´s ignorance and weakness.

Men is always waiting for someone to save them from their own created chaotic environment, but very rarely take the necessary proactive measures to change things on their own.

In the meantime, while hundreds of generations wait for a miraculous salvation during thousands of years, the chaos reigns.

I wouldn´t be surprised if such salvation concept was originally created by the dominant elite, so the masses stay calm, docile and hoping for a miracle, while they do whatever they want to humanity and planet Earth.

If this "theory" is supposed to be taken seriously, all I´m asking is someone to explain it to me cohesively, all the way from A to Z, all the main points of its development.

Cheers,

Raf.

[SilentFeathers]

I wouldn´t be surprised if such salvation concept was originally created by the dominant elite, so the masses stay calm, docile and hoping for a miracle, while they do whatever they want to humanity and planet Earth.

Now that sounds like a "cohesive explanation" to me :)

[Herbert]

The OP presents a session in which the hypnotist is leading the subject in the way her questions are presented. No professional would ever do this; at least if they wanted to maintain their credibility. The data obtained is so very contaminated as to be worthless in a scientific paper.

That, coupled with the info supplied by Carmody has alarm bells ringing for me.

I recall Chris Thomas calling it the human gullibility quotient.

[Willow26]

I agree with both the notion of critical mass and I too have experienced quickening. As we awaken that positive energy will propel us all forward. Some people will experience more as they will be open to it. As many have said, we are on our own unique paths and perceptions.

I am not fearful for myself, but I worry for others that may find these changes upsetting (depending on their perceptions). I just keep sending good intentions to all.

[turiya]

Quantum Odyssey wrote:

While agreed "time" doesn't exist in a variety of ways the Akashic records holds all information that ever has been or will be... Since all time exists at the same time, the Akashic records have info from past, present and future...


Noted author and psychic healer, Chris Thomas, states in his book, Project HUMAN EXTINCTION: The Ultimate Conspiracy, he writes:


The [Sanskrit] word Akashic means "record" and records every single detail of every single event that occurs on Earth. There is, additionally, a more extended Akashic which records every single event that has taken place within this Universe.

Whilst the Akashic has mainly been spoken of by people who are a part of ancient spiritual knowledge, in recent years the still awakening scientific field of quantum physics has begun to incorporate the Akashic into mainstream science. This is to help scientists understand how information is stored and disseminated throughout the Universe and forms a fundamental core of knowledge linking several scientific fields together.

Everything that has ever occurred, on Earth and in the Universe beyond, is recorded within this "field of knowledge" and some psychics are able to tap into this knowledge and pass the information on. The same is true for most people, we can all tap into the Akashic in some way and, when we do access this knowledge it is usually referred to as "Intuition".

Also, in a Lisa Harrison interview here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhE1aBSBzrc#t=5m06s), Chris Thomas answers questions posed by Lisa concerning the Akashic. In that interview (and from his writing) Chris Thomas limits the Akashic to events that occur &/or have occurred in the past (not to events that will occur at a future time), whereas you are saying that the Akashic also includes future events that have not yet happened.

There appears to be some discrepancy in what you refer to as the Akashic and what Chris Thomas is saying.
Do you care to comment in this regard? What have been your experience(s) in tapping into the Akashic?

*A later edit*
Chris Thomas:


The Akashic records, it does not predict.
THE HUMAN SOUL: Universal Soul (2) Chapter One (page 30)

*Another later edit*
Quantum Odyssey wrote:

Since all time exists at the same time...
I just have to also ask you: In making the above statement, are you saying that this is what you have found from your own personal experience? Or is this something that is taught to you as a part of your training?
In other words, is this notion coming from your first hand experience, or is it an idea that you read somewhere, or was told by someone else, perhaps during your training?

Best regards - turiya :cool:

[panopticon]

What is the background of the participant "E" in this session.
Was there a predisposition towards, or anticipation of, certain events occurring in the future that coloured the responses of "E".

-- Pan

The participant E is an artist and Reiki master, she meditates daily and works with the morphogentic field to heal peoples pasts and ancestral DNA. She has never gone forward in time with her line of work and healing. She has experienced the Akashic records before spontaneously and briefly. She has no background in metaphysical studies or theories nor studied prophecies ancient or modern other than that. No one was briefed of questions or subject matter in advance of their sessions with me for this project as I didn't want any studying up on any of these subjects. My pure intent was to provide humanity with a perspective through this method for the transition we are experiencing. Simply asked was...What does humanity need to know now? What needs to be shared with many people at this time? Therein lays the table of contents of this book. It was approached loosely and organically as to not restrict the informations potential by being rigid and controlling on my part. It was as much a journey for me as my participants and readers because I had no idea as to what would be revealed.

In this segment that was posted here, once I had her under QHH hypnosis, we went to the hall of records to read the Akashic records.

While agreed "time" doesn't exist in a variety of ways the Akashic records holds all information that ever has been or will be... Since all time exists at the same time, the Akashic records have info from past, present and future albeit fluid... and in flux as time is and time frames can be accessed.
The future changes minute by minute day by day as we too are fluid and in flux and every action we make as an individual and as a collective race changes the course of the future. So nothing is set in stone, unchangeable or fate based.

Yes, I too believe it is a broad time line. March 2013 was given as a starting point as this cosmic conscious spills over our planet. For this reason No day, date nor time was given but merely a point in time where the energy gates open.

I have had people read the Akashic records for me and tell me the month, event and the name of a person who was coming into my life one year in advance. Sure enough it transpired with no planning to manifest this said event on that exact month.
So yes times can be given and transpire if things stay their course at the time that it is read.

I do believe that is why many prophecies have not come to fruition in our lifetimes because we as a collective were able to change the course of events either directly or indirectly, consciously or unconsciously.

Then you have those who believe everything is a lie because it didn't transpire and dismiss the validity of the seer.

It is time instead to realize that WE are part of the problems AND the solutions. We are not just by-standers and victims taken hostage on this wild ride called Life on Earth.

We are indeed the Co-Creators!

G'day Mindy,

Thank you for the response.

In the past-life regressions you have done how many have reported a past life as an animal?

-- Pan

[ThePythonicCow]

The aether scientists understood what this sort of statement about density meant and means. The linear minded scientists who took over and pushed them out, they destroyed the chance for you to understand what all that means. You don't have the tools to 'grok' it, until you return to the original works and original understandings.

Hey Carmody,

How can you be so sure that they knew it?

The only way you could be sure is if you know what they knew, since you probably haven´t observed the direct results of their experiences, ie; density transcendence.

So, if you know what they knew and how they could achieve such conclusions, I would be glad to hear your explanation about the measurements and classifications of densities as discussed in this very fine thread.

You might try reading Joseph P. Farrell's "The Philosopher's Stone: Alchemy and the Secret Research for Exotic Matter" (http://amzn.com/1932595406). I'm only up to page 118 so far, but it's doing a nice job of developing the concepts for an alternative physics that encompasses more than the 3-D space plus time occupied by mass interacting with energy fields physics that I learned in school.

(Of course, whether or not this has anything to do with what Carmody is hinting at ... I've almost no clue.)

[Carmody]

I wouldn´t be surprised if such salvation concept was originally created by the dominant elite, so the masses stay calm, docile and hoping for a miracle, while they do whatever they want to humanity and planet Earth.

Now that sounds like a "cohesive explanation" to me :)

At the same time that one looks at all this stuff..and they want to be scientifically minded..then one could possibly look at the evidence in books like Lynn McTaggart's 'The Field'.

In there, you will find a good...near thousand references to studies done on the subject of 'psychic phenomena. Each study mentioned and integrated into this 'meta study of studies and meta studies' that the book is.

what the book essentially ends up saying is that Somewhere in the area of 90% of all bandied about subjects in the world of psychic investigation have turned out to be real, or functional. This, as done (tested) by all aspects of scientific protocol, as science may demand.

But we get to that thorny issue of where scientists commit to studies on psychic phenomena and obtain negative or 'false' proofs. That the given phenomena does not exist.

In that, the scientists said, well, lets see why one group gets positive results and one gets negative. They conducted different studies where it was found that the scientists were interfering in the results via their internal projections.

Ambiguous minded scientists obtained ambiguous results
Negative minded scientists obtained negative results.
Positive minded scientists obtained positive results.

This, done repeatedly, in multiple ways, all scientists committing the same identical tests. Tests which were considered by all involved...to be very correct and definitive in their protocols. That all involved thought the protocols, regimens and so on were strict enough to be definitive in their results, and indicating truth..at their given endpoints. Yet they still obtained negative, ambiguous, and positive proofs. Definitively. All doing the same test. Repeatedly.

Until you exist, in some manner.. without the separation between consciousness and unconsciousness, you won't really understand that the reactive lower layer of the avatar, the autonomous and emotional core systems, the reptilian hindbrain and emotional centers....those, as a set... are a large part of one's reality formation and control/integration of reality flow. Both individually and collectively.

Until then, one is making judgement calls from an uninformed and incomplete mind/mental set, on phenomena that are not being observed in their entirety.


What it might be more correct to say is that if an elite and controlling group exists..that their purpose or designs on the situation might be to make sure that you never figure out that both the question and the answer are YOU. individually and collectively..YOU.

As well, that the given 'power' they may have over you is a projection of your own individually and collectively -- an energetic form that is handed to them, by you, via your fundamental projection.

Time is mythical in the past reference, and time is mythical in the future reference. You are reading or 'being' in a spot in time-flow, and like physical distance, the further away the given point, the more indistinct it is.

Since one is subject to reality formation in the self at the given moment in time and space...

..and that time is unidirectional in this frame of reference in the general 3d time flow sense..this means the past is fairly firm, but future.... has the capacity to be navigated and formed. The flow in uni-directionality of time is a 3d reality function,and is not set in stone. It is merely a minimal energetic function. A minor energetic function.

Vibratory and complementary resonance manipulation can cause time flow and reality formation to be disconnected in the local sense. Time and reality bubbles. Aether can be bubbled in the localized sense and used to from reality in the local time space.

The conscious mind sees reality as being formed in the unidirectional 3d clock tick forward time sense, when in fact it is not. That is a localized partial reality recognition sense, it is not the entire system.

Understand that matter is quantum and integrated outside of 3d time, until the atoms of the given element or vibratory systems reach a certain density. for example, that the metallic lattice structures we call elements do not emerge until they have a certain number of those vibrations in one spot. Each different in those requirements. Gold might be 7-8 'atoms' gathered together before the metallic-lattice phenomena we know as gold..emerges, nickel might be 12 atoms, copper might be 5 atoms, and so on.

As above, so below, the global scaling phenomena..as after all, you are made of the same structures, regarding your constitution and analysis points. with enough "people" in one spot, with the same basic design parameters.... and you have set or situation of a localized reality formation.

[araucaria]

[...]

What better ways to slowly bring the frog to a boil than through "education" and mass media... started with the printing press and accelerated with the internet.

Increasing the "agitation" state of the masses :)

This is only half of the picture. Carmody also said:


If there is an attempt to shift humanity for so-called 'good' purposes, it too must stay below the radar of humanity's public or group consciousness, until it is a thing that is slowly creeping into the consciousness of all, then it can move faster, and more openly.

But that wouldn't fit the picture of boiling a frog... would it?

No, so the picture of boiling a frog would seem to be half incorrect :)

[RMorgan]

In there, you will find a good...near thousand references to studies done on the subject of 'psychic phenomena. Each study mentioned and integrated into this 'meta study of studies and meta studies' that the book is.


Thanks for the reference Carmody; I´ll put that book on my list.

Anyway, I don´t doubt at all about psychic phenomenons. I´ve experienced lots of weird things myself.

I´m only saying that this jumping to 5D ascension stuff is all fabricated speculative bollocks, possibly deliberately created to lure people into buying their books and going to their lectures.

The definition and measurements of densities, as defined by new age characters, is not only inexplicable but completely unfounded.

They can´t agree with each other about the definition of "density"; They don´t know how such "densities" were measured and distilled into a nominal table.

So, they don´t know what this "density" really is and they don´t know how to measure it; Let alone knowing how is it possible to move from one density to another and defining a whole table out of it.

This thread is five pages long and nobody could answer my questions so far.

My personal conclusion is pretty obvious; This whole stuff is invented and lots of naive people swallowed it hook, line and sinker. The "Ascension is just around the corner, dear ones" is big business.

I´m still open to change my mind if someone manages to enlighten me about this issue, though.

However, I really doubt someone would manage to do so, because so far, this whole "D" concept seems to be as solid as hot air.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Carmody]

If you look at the issue of the scientists and their testing regimens, and their given successes in describing the core aspects of these phenomena..and that above post by me..you will then be confronted with another problem.

IF..reality is a thing you investigate..AND you find that your thoughts are different..AND that we are all connected....that when you come to different conclusions than the masses and their mass mind and reality formation in flow of time, and so on..that the masses will begin to push your new understandings FROM you and down into THEIR ignorance levels.

Their autonomous group mind similarity functions, their bestial levels of body, the reptilian hindbrain connections and similarities, their animal group herd functions, that is what forms the basis of this reality. The individual consciousness and it's connection to that is the much more individual part, but that it is connected TO that lower level via input-output of sensory flow, in both 3d reality and multidimensional reality.

This is why I say that if I re-tuned myself to the level required (which I have been at before) I could step INSIDE your body and control and read your body, due to the basic similarities of body baseline function. But that I could not read your individual consciousness in detail, as this is unique to you. But I could, possibly.. actually see through your eyes.

That you have to work to hold your own understandings from being disconnected from your own consciousness and self, as you flow in time, as this group mind level of being, this controls your reality formation aspects and also the in-out of data flow in the conscious mind. We individually have our own and we also vibrate together.

~~~~~~~~
Edit:

I'll have to say Raf, that you've JUST illustrated my point completely.

That I KNOW for a fact that I've introduced you to this book before.

~~~~~~

Yes folks, it really is that connected, that real, and that potent.

[Carmody]

We have gone through this same cycle of revelations and postings on this forum numerous times.

And..each time..for some of you..the self wiring and the group mind work together..to push it out.

One has to not just come to an understanding... but understand that it is flow and formation, that one has to figure out how to hold position in a flow.... and advance, in that flow. To not loose ground, for when one is getting ahead of the mass mind... one is then working against the flow and shape/formation of the 'mass' flow.

One has to figure out how to get to water-skiing speed, to get above the mass flow.

[UniVive]

"What it might be more correct to say is that if an elite and controlling group exists..that their purpose or designs on the situation might be to make sure that you never figure out that both the question and the answer are YOU. individually and collectively..YOU."

I pretty much agree with that.

All the talk since the dawn of time, whether it be esoteric occult literature or the bible itself about 'Ascension' or the Second Coming seems to be a reference for the the individual Human Being realizing It's potential.

There are many code words and broken down etymological meanings used for various different parts of the body from bones, glands, to secretions.


There is always so much talk about, "We are the ones we've been waiting for", and it's all about individuals 'waking up' and rising and uniting.....but honestly I never hear truly how one thinks one is to do just that in order to realize some great human potential......so the talk just goes on and on, and the ascension dates come and go....

The Aquarian Age is the time for human realization....but it's a long damn Age:)
That realization could be today or in another 1,000 years....in my opinion it's up to the individual. Each individual. The more the better, with the 100th monkey syndrome and all.

So to me, the questions to be asking about this Ascension are what are the practical steps to be taking?
And again, by Ascension, I mean realizing the human/avatar potential that 'they' are so fearful you will do if you stop looking to the sky for Jesus, or the next Daniel paper to come out.

[RMorgan]

Hey Carmody,

Man, your replies are always so enigmatic that most of the times they are beyond comprehension to me; Maybe it´s because my English skills are limited, or maybe it´s just your writing style.

Anyway, I like them; You´re cool.

Again, let me go straight to the point.

Example:

I weight 79 Kg > How do I know that? > I measured it on my bathroom weighting scale > What is weight? > Weight is mass times gravity >What is mass? > It is quantity of matter in an object> What is matter? > Generally speaking, it is the general term for the substance of which all observable physical objects consist. > What is gravity? > Shortly, it is the natural phenomenon by which physical bodies appear to attract each other with a force proportional to their masses. > How does my bathroom scale works? > Shortly, it has a few internal levers which transfer the force exerted by my weight to a pre-calibrated spring mechanism connected to a dial.

Of course, the above line of reasoning is very summarized, but I could go on and on and write a hundred pages detailing the many concepts behind the "I weight 79 Kg" statement.

Ok. Could someone develop a similar reasoning regarding the new ager definition of density?

I live in the third density> How do I know that? >(go on)

Cheers,

Raf.

[SilentFeathers]

In there, you will find a good...near thousand references to studies done on the subject of 'psychic phenomena. Each study mentioned and integrated into this 'meta study of studies and meta studies' that the book is.


Thanks for the reference Carmody; I´ll put that book on my list.

Anyway, I don´t doubt at all about psychic phenomenons. I´ve experienced lots of weird things myself.

I´m only saying that this jumping to 5D ascension stuff is all fabricated speculative bollocks, possibly deliberately created to lure people into buying their books and going to their lectures.

The definition and measurements of densities, as defined by new age characters, is not only inexplicable but completely unfounded.

They can´t agree with each other about the definition of "density"; They don´t know how such "densities" were measured and distilled into a nominal table.

So, they don´t know what this "density" really is and they don´t know how to measure it; Let alone knowing how is it possible to move from one density to another and defining a whole table out of it.

This thread is five pages long and nobody could answer my questions so far.

My personal conclusion is pretty obvious; This whole stuff is invented and lots of naive people swallowed it hook, line and sinker. The "Ascension is just around the corner, dear ones" is big business.

I´m still open to change my mind if someone manages to enlighten me about this issue, though.

However, I really doubt someone would manage to do so, because so far, this whole "D" concept seems to be as solid as hot air.

Cheers,

Raf.

AM-GOD......DOG-MA (Dogmatic)

Dogma is the official system of belief or doctrine held by a religion, or a particular group or organization. It serves as part of the primary basis of an ideology or belief system, and it cannot be changed or discarded without affecting the very system's paradigm, or the ideology itself. They can refer to acceptable opinions of philosophers or philosophical schools, public decrees, or issued decisions of political authorities.

DOGMA
1: characterized by or given to the expression of opinions very strongly or positively as if they were facts.
2: a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds.


dog·mat·ic
1. Relating to, characteristic of, or resulting from dogma.
2. Characterized by an authoritative, arrogant assertion of unproved or unprovable principles. See Synonyms at dictatorial.

[crosby]

my fiance and i have been discussing The Dark Towerseries by Steven King. and this is helping me to understand and wrap my head around some of this discussion. i must say, i do not have a complete understanding but i am in on the elementary level. please keep elaborating, this is very educational for me. RMorgan, i agree with where you are coming from about following an astute line of formation, but i am finding that to describe the esoteric with physical properties and scientific definitions takes it out of the esoteric field, and it would no longer exist. does that make sense? grrr. argh...... i wish i were more intelligent so that i could properly state what i mean.
warmest regards, corson

[SilentFeathers]

Here's a good one for ya Raf to chew on....

"Nothing exists unless it's first observed" (Perhaps this must apply to air, emotions, fear, etc. too)

So therefore, close your eyes and start walking through walls! :)

[Carmody]

my fiance and i have been discussing The Dark Towerseries by Steven King. and this is helping me to understand and wrap my head around some of this discussion. i must say, i do not have a complete understanding but i am in on the elementary level. please keep elaborating, this is very educational for me. RMorgan, i agree with where you are coming from about following an astute line of formation, but i am finding that to describe the esoteric with physical properties and scientific definitions takes it out of the esoteric field, and it would no longer exist. does that make sense? grrr. argh...... i wish i were more intelligent so that i could properly state what i mean.
warmest regards, corson

You are getting it just fine.

He's not encompassing the entire loop in his mind required to get the point. His frame of reference inherently excludes the points I'm making.

Explore the psychic phenomena, Raf.... that appears to be your way into this world of understanding.

If you can't find another way to get into this doorway of mental positioning... then explore what you've got.

It is not scientific to dismiss personally observed phenomena. Science is specifically NOT about projecting reality and then proving it. That... is the inherently offensive act of dogma and law as projected onto a group as a behavioral control system. Dogma-law-punishment, all the same.

REAL and ACTUAL science is about witnessing, personally witnessing phenomena, observing phenomena.

THEN..one takes that REALITY OF AN OBSERVED PHENOMENA..and tries to hypothesize a frameworks of an explanation.

Then one tries to build an inherent test of that explanation or hypothesis.

In all of that, one NEVER destroys or tears down the reality of the original observed phenomena.

This is how they managed out figure out the issue of negative results in the psychic tests in one instance... and positives in the test done by other people. It is the lesser mind that dismisses what it cannot understand. The lesser mind many times resorts to dogma and projection onto and into others.

The 'cheat' out is the attempt to dismiss things as delusion or internal bias. Real scientists do not do that. Those who live in a world of fear, dogma, law and punishment..those people resort to the attempt to explain via the 'canard' or false push of people deluding themselves (as an explaination for what they refuse to develop themselves enough to understand).

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

But...we've been down this road before, haven't we?

Raf, you've been given more than enough to get there, by me and members of this forum, more than enough times.

[RMorgan]

RMorgan, i agree with where you are coming from about following an astute line of formation, but i am finding that to describe the esoteric with physical properties and scientific definitions takes it out of the esoteric field, and it would no longer exist. does that make sense? grrr. argh...... i wish i were more intelligent so that i could properly state what i mean.
warmest regards, corson

Sure, my friend. It makes sense.

However, some folks have crossed the limits, attempting to transform abstract esoteric concepts into scientific concepts, appropriating of well established scientific precepts to embellish their pseudo-theories which, otherwise, wouldn´t have a solid foundation to stand on their own.

By doing that, they give me the right to question their concepts using scientific terms.

They talk about such ascension, dimensional or density shift as they were the ultimate truth, while, in fact, they are nothing but pseudoscientific dogmas.

I don´t like that. Superficial speculations disguised as truths are not for my taste.

Raf.


Raf, you've been given more than enough to get there, by me and members of this forum, more than enough times.

Carmody, you know I respect you man, but I disagree with you.

I´ve asked clear questions and I am expecting clear answers. No one has answered me, including you.

People don´t answer because they can´t; They know this ascension to a superior density state is inexplicable bollocks and they don´t want to admit the pseudoscientific dogmatic nature of such concept.

Runaround and evasive explanations are not and will never be enough for me. They just reinforce the lack of solidity of such belief systems.

Raf.

[Hervé]

[...]

No, so the picture of boiling a frog would seem to be half incorrect :)

The picture of a frog slowly brought to a boiling point -- the one to be worried about -- is totally, completely, 100% correct for the proposition I addressed.

The other proposition -- the one no one needs to worry about, apparently, if indeed it is at work -- is of no concern if real. But, it too - metaphorically, may need to bring the frog to a boil first in order to shed the effects due to the first proposition.

However, feel free to ascribe a picture/avatar to that other proposition and which would be 100% correct for that other proposition, like attempting to get Hell frozen over with CO2 extinguishers...


:decision:

[araucaria]

The question of coincidence came up the other day on one of niki’s threads, I forget which one. There is always a parting of the ways on this issue, between the meaningful coincidence or synchronicity and the statistically inevitable.

Scientists will always tell you that things are often deceptively likelier than commonly thought and that even the unlikeliest things are bound to happen from time to time. They use statistical probability as a tool to detect the relevance of a finding compared to background noise. But they never explain how it actually works. To say a coincidence was statistically inevitable is totally meaningless, it carries zero information.

Statistical probabilities are a generalization based on a large number of known occurrences. They are extrapolations where none of the analytical work has been done on the particular instances. For example, in a room of fifteen people, there is likely to be two with the same birthday, but it makes every difference – and it is also much more unlikely – that one of them should happen to be you and the other some other particular individual. There may be some good reason or useful outcome from the two of you meeting in such a circumstance.

Coincidences (all statistically probable though rare) tend to increase and multiply and as they do so they become increasingly meaningful, tending generally to confirm a ‘small world’ view, in other words greater connectedness. Which is a paradox: you would think connectedness would come with generalization, but the opposite is true. The political repercussions are also immense.

[Carmody]

RMorgan, i agree with where you are coming from about following an astute line of formation, but i am finding that to describe the esoteric with physical properties and scientific definitions takes it out of the esoteric field, and it would no longer exist. does that make sense? grrr. argh...... i wish i were more intelligent so that i could properly state what i mean.
warmest regards, corson

Sure, my friend. It makes sense.

However, some folks have crossed the limits, attempting to transform abstract esoteric concepts into scientific concepts, appropriating of well established scientific precepts to embellish their pseudo-theories which, otherwise, wouldn´t have a solid foundation to stand on their own.

By doing that, they give me the right to question their concepts using scientific terms.

They talk about such ascension, dimensional or density shift as they were the ultimate truth, while, in fact, they are nothing but pseudoscientific dogmas.

I don´t like that. Superficial speculations disguised as truths are not for my taste.

Raf.

Raf, that is projection. projection into and onto others for their possession of a frameworks of reality that is different from yours. Their attempt is to bring something to you, in terms you might understand.

beating them down for trying to bring something to you is a very unfair and emotional judgement. A judgement and projection that has nothing to do with being scientific.

let me be clear:

Science rises out of philosophy and science will always remain the lesser child of philosophy. Philosophy is a larger circle of logic than the entirety of science. Philosophy is subjective logic as the universe cannot be explained in it's entirety by objective analysis. Yet, subjective logic can still function with objective logic inside of it.

This is the failure of objective science when it comes to explaining and dealing with these highly subjective situations. Subjective situations which cannot be broken down into pure objectivity.

Scientific designs (mindsets and reasoning) on remaining in Pure objectivity is a push from the emotions, into the group mind. 'Objectivity for all' is actually a very dangerous and dogmatic principle.

Science does not own reality, nor can it speak for it. Objectivity does not own or control reality.


Some quotes to help you. After that I'm done..

I respect a need to find truth in things, as I observe and hold in that, in myself, at all times.

But... sooner or later .....new truths require a change in the observer, in order for the observer to understand those new truths.

Recognizing when that is happening is key to calling anything in the realm of investigation as being science.

~~~~~~~~~~~

Jiddu Krishnamurti Quotes on Truth:

Now, I am not opposed to organizations, but I hold that no organization can lead man to truth. Yet all religious societies, sects, and groups are based on the idea that man can be guided to truth. Organizations should exist for the welfare of man, organizations not divided by nationalities, by class distinctions.

First of all, to understand truth you must stand alone, entirely and wholly alone. No Master, no teacher, no guru, no system, no self-discipline will ever lift for you the veil which conceals wisdom. Wisdom is the understanding of enduring values and the living of those values. No one can lead you to wisdom.

To find out what is truth there must be great love and a deep awareness of man's relationship to all things- which means that one is not concerned with one's own progress and achievements. The search for truth is true religion, and the man who is seeking truth is the only religious man.

The search for truth gives an explosive creativeness to the mind, which is true revolution, because in this search the mind is uncontaminated by the edicts and sanctions of society. Being free of all that, the religious man is able to find out what is true; and it is the discovery of what is true from moment to moment that creates a new culture.

Truth has no tradition, it cannot be handed down.

Truth is the unknown, and a mind that is seeking truth will never find it, for mind is made up of the known.

For the discovery of truth there is no path. You must enter the uncharted sea.

Truth can only come to the mind that is empty of the known. It comes in a state in which the known is absent, not functioning.

Introspection, which is a form of self-improvement, of self-expansion, can never lead to truth, because it is always a process of self-enclosure; whereas awareness is a state in which truth can come into being, the truth of what is, the simple truth of daily existence. It is only when we understand the truth of daily existence that we can go far. You must begin near to go far but most of us want to jump, to begin far without understanding what is close. As we understand the near, we shall find the distance between the near and the far is not. There is no distance - the beginning and the end are one.

Belief is a denial of truth, belief hinders truth; to believe in God is not to find God. Neither the believer nor the non-believer will find God; because reality is the unknown, and your belief or non-belief in the unknown is merely a self-projection and therefore not real.

There is no path to truth. There is not your path or my path. There is no Christian way to it, or Hindu way to it. A 'way' implies a static process to something which is also static. There is a way from here to that next village, the village is firmly there, rooted in the buildings, and there is a road to it. But truth is not like that, it is a living thing, a moving thing and therefore there can be no path to it, neither yours nor mine nor theirs.

If I want to know the truth, I begin to inquire, and before I can know the truth of anything, I must have confidence. To have confidence, I must inquire into myself and remove those causes that prevent each experience from giving its full significance.

The man who is seeking comfort does not want truth; he only wants security, safety, a refuge in which he will not be disturbed. But a man who is seeking truth must invite disturbances, tribulations because it is only in moments of crisis that there is alertness, watchfulness, action. Then only that which is is discovered and understood.

Truth can come to you only when your mind and heart are simple, clear, and there is love in your heart, not if your heart is filled with the things of the mind. When there is love in your heart, you do not talk about organizing for brotherhood, you do not talk about belief, you do not talk about division or the powers that create division, you need not seek reconciliation. Then you are a simple human being without a label, without a country. This means that you must strip yourself of all those things and allow truth to come into being, and it can come only when the mind is empty, when the mind ceases to create. Then it will come without your invitation. Then it will come as swiftly as the wind and unbeknown. It comes obscurely, not when you are watching, wanting. It is there as sudden as sunlight, as pure as the night, but to receive it, the heart must be full and the mind empty.

- See more at: http://www.buddhasangha.com/jkrishnamurtiquotes/jiddu_krishnamurti_quotes_truth.htm#sthash.hV9Gbkyi.dpuf

[crosby]

Quantum Odyssey, have you had other sessions where the outcome or description was similar? and is this happening with other people who perform these sessions as well?
warmest regards, corson

[Hervé]

There is a fundamental problem in the scientific method that's been expounded by Carmody and that is: the repeatability of an exact same result under identical conditions.

The crux of scientific experiments on psychic phenomena reside on "identical conditions" since said conditions of the experiments involve duplicating the exact, indentical mindsets around the experiment: THOUGHTS HAVE TO BE THE IDENTICAL SAME!

If the experimenter has counter-thoughts to the results obtained by the experimentee, after a few attempts the experimentee/subject of investigation is gona end up subconsciouly saying something like "To hell with it!"

In other words, the influence of the observer onto the observed.

Hence... mind control... :decision:

[RMorgan]

I´m not discussing the psychic phenomena here, nor its relationship with science.

I´m discussing the possibility of a human being evolving to another "density", which by itself, isn´t even a phenomena, because it was never observed. Let alone the fact the nobody even know what such "density" really is in the first place.

phe·nom·e·na (-n)
1. An occurrence, circumstance, or fact that is perceptible by the senses.

Are UFOs a phenomena? Yes, many people around the world have observed, experienced and reported it.
Are ghosts a phenomena? Yes, many people around the world have observed, experienced and reported it.
Is telepathy a phenomena? Yes, many people around the world have observed, experienced and reported it.
Are OBEs a phenomena? Yes, many people around the world have observed, experienced and reported it.

Is ascension a phenomena? No. There are no indicators nor any reliable empirical, circumstantial,concrete or even anecdotal evidence pointing that any individual or group of human beings ever ascended to another dimension or density.

Is "density" as referred by new agers a phenomena? No. Nobody in the whole world had never observed or measured it.

So, this subject doesn´t even belong to the psychic phenomena field, because it isn´t a even phenomena by itself.

Raf.

[Hervé]

Abductions?

... you know... from being in bed to being on an operating table aboard an "alien" craft... wouldn't that fall under the "Ascension" phenomenon?

[Kiforall]

I´m not discussing the psychic phenomena here, nor its relationship with science.

I´m discussing the possibility of a human being evolving to another "density", which by itself, isn´t even a phenomena, because it was never observed. Let alone the fact the nobody even know what such "density" really is in the first place.

phe·nom·e·na (-n)
1. An occurrence, circumstance, or fact that is perceptible by the senses.

Are UFOs a phenomena? Yes, many people around the world have observed, experienced and reported it.
Are ghosts a phenomena? Yes, many people around the world have observed, experienced and reported it.
Is telepathy a phenomena? Yes, many people around the world have observed, experienced and reported it.
Are OBEs a phenomena? Yes, many people around the world have observed, experienced and reported it.

Is ascension a phenomena? No. There are no indicators nor any reliable empirical, circumstantial,concrete or even anecdotal evidence pointing that any individual or group of human beings ever ascended to another dimension or density.

Is "density" as referred by new agers a phenomena? No. Nobody in the whole world had never observed or measured it.

So, this subject doesn´t even belong to the psychic phenomena field, because it isn´t a even phenomena by itself.

Raf.

I can relate to the issues here, the descriptions of density levels can change from one persons view to another. Even two members on one thread who seem to have travelled in the different densities in OBE but they differ.
They don't seem to care, they know through experience, their own individual experience.

I suggest they would have never got above 3d if they had been questioning what these densities are in a measurable way.

I see how it seems irresponsible for people to claim to know the densities and sell their ideas to people but they do and people read it.
I see how some people may read it and see it as gospel truth but this is channelled info anyway, at least most of DC's density info.

That's the only issue I see, that it may not come across as theory to the reader but at some point they will understand and that's the point in all this, how to observe and not get bogged down in things that really are not important. I think letting go is important.

[Carmody]

I´m not discussing the psychic phenomena here, nor its relationship with science.

I´m discussing the possibility of a human being evolving to another "density", which by itself, isn´t even a phenomena, because it was never observed. Let alone the fact the nobody even know what such "density" really is in the first place.

phe·nom·e·na (-n)
1. An occurrence, circumstance, or fact that is perceptible by the senses.

Are UFOs a phenomena? Yes, many people around the world have observed, experienced and reported it.
Are ghosts a phenomena? Yes, many people around the world have observed, experienced and reported it.
Is telepathy a phenomena? Yes, many people around the world have observed, experienced and reported it.
Are OBEs a phenomena? Yes, many people around the world have observed, experienced and reported it.

Is ascension a phenomena? No. There are no indicators nor any reliable empirical, circumstantial,concrete or even anecdotal evidence pointing that any individual or group of human beings ever ascended to another dimension or density.

Is "density" as referred by new agers a phenomena? No. Nobody in the whole world had never observed or measured it.

So, this subject doesn´t even belong to the psychic phenomena field, because it isn´t a even phenomena by itself.

Raf.

Raf, I'm listening to what they are saying. Nothing more.

I'm not saying it is garbage, and I'm not saying that it is not real.

I'm just listening.

As for it being said that it is not real, that is a judgement call by you. and that is you not the evidence, not the data, nothing. just you.

I'm not urging anyone forward into anything.

At the same time I'm not playing a game where I'm dismissing it.

You Raf, you don't know one way or the other. Truly, you do not. Dismissing it means you are engaging negative proofing which is objective science in the form of projection.

I am personally not going to give them a difficult time as they can't prove anything to me in an objective fashion. That would be foolish. As foolish as believing it without using my own filters.

I cannot be someone else's filter. I'm asking you to be sensible and not be someone else's filter. It is really very simple.

edit: then there is this book, called 'the field'. We can say that you don't know about it, so..therefore....you don't know 'everything'. Even though it is just one simple book, however good it may be.

To conclusively say that you can dismiss what they say in this thread, you'd have to have read and understood..AND have personal experiences in these areas. Yet, you do not.

Therefore you can listen, but, by all attempts at logic, you cannot dismiss it. You can dismiss it if you wish, but that would be an emotional judgement based in feelings. For you have no data in these areas, do you?

I can chose to listen or not listen ---but I cannot prove ....nor can I dismiss.

[greybeard]

What started as a simple uplifting thread became very complex.
I think Jesus said "Even the wisest of my disciples will enter heaven by faith alone"
Also--"In the twinkling of an eye there will be a new heaven and a new earth"

I listened To David Sereda some time back and he explained why it is possible for a planet to divide in two.
Cell division.
Dolores Cannon claims that the earth will divide into old earth and new earth.
I dont have an opinion on this--- I dont know what is possible in reality.
This is the first and second part of a Coast to Coast interview.
The interview is several years old but the principal may still be so.
Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNgUdg2NAmc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjMo2vf5pwA

[ThePythonicCow]

Hey Carmody,

Man, your replies are always so enigmatic that most of the times they are beyond comprehension to me; Maybe it´s because my English skills are limited, or maybe it´s just your writing style.
Well, it's likely not your English skills, because my English is quite good (and good thing it is, as I speak no other language), but Carmody can mystify me too :).


I weight 79 Kg > How do I know that? > I measured it on my bathroom weighting scale > What is weight? > Weight is mass times gravity >What is mass? > It is quantity of matter in an object> What is matter? > Generally speaking, it is the general term for the substance of which all observable physical objects consist. > What is gravity? > Shortly, it is the natural phenomenon by which physical bodies appear to attract each other with a force proportional to their masses. > How does my bathroom scale works? > Shortly, it has a few internal levers which transfer the force exerted by my weight to a pre-calibrated spring mechanism connected to a dial.
I do science a little bit differently than what I understand (or misunderstand) of how Carmody does it.

My direct experiences that I am conscious of are apparently quite a bit more limited than Carmody reports, so I form intuitive, partially non-verbal, models explaining what I hear read others reporting, and gradually extend those models to encompass more and more of these reports (after dismissing most of them as "er eh .. I don't think so.")

My strength, so I like to imagine, is that I don't mind holding multiple contradictory notions in my head, and I don't mind noticing evidence of affairs that I have no coherent conscious explanation for yet.

When I get to the point where some part of my evolving partially non-verbal model is explainable to myself and seems to "fit together well" and "make sense of" a variety of reports and observations, then I figure I'm getting somewhere.

In this particular case of mass, gravity, and energy, I am forming a half-baked model that I'm getting rather fond of.

In the ordinary physics of our time, as I learned in school, mass is the fundamental "stuff" of the universe, and energy (electro-magnetic, gravity, strong and weak forces) comes in fields that we observe by its effects on mass (such as on our measuring instruments and eyeballs.) Fancier physics, but still conventional by our public standards, allows for converting between mass and energy, at the notorious rate of E = mc2.

Also in this ordinary physics, time is measured by the rates of certain physical processes, such as the frequency of a cesium beam. And, as you observe, gravity is measured by its effect on mass.

So ... in this conventional view, it all boils down to watching mass get battered around by fields of unspecified nature, but elaborately modeled behavior.

After various readings, especially of Paul LaViolette, Joseph P. Farrell, and Carmody, I am forming a quite different view of "stuff." Not necessarily a view any of those people would agree with, but one informed by what I have gained from reading (or misreading) them.

It seems to me that "observable mass", such as can effect the energy fields that in turn effect our lab instruments, is itself a manifestation of underlying twisting, turning, vortical activity ... of just what is unclear and perhaps the wrong question to ask!

That twisting activity can manifest as the ordinary protons, neutrons, and electrons of "mass" as we usually know it, and as the effects of "energy fields" on that mass, but it need not so manifest. Under sufficiently intense (or at least well positioned) and actively moving electro-magnetic fields, the amount of mass manifest by a certain amount of this twisting activity can change. "Things" can get heavier or lighter, even weightless, and quite possibly even seem to vanish and appear elsewhere. Sensate beings can interact with this underlying reality that is hidden (by our "conventional education") behind the notions of mass and energy described by conventional physics. These allows for conveying thoughts and feelings across space, time and apparent death, as these thoughts and feelings drift in and out of expression in the world known to our conventional physics. Some aspects of our present "here and now" being are complex living entities that inherently exist in the structure of this underlying reality, and need not always manifest via a physical human body.

Here's an October 2010 interview of Joseph P. Farrell that I just noticed and am listening to now. It is two hours long, available as a ten part playlist on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky1RcWpw7VE&playnext=1&list=PL4286BB11F64050EA and apparently will discuss amongst many other items Farrell's April 2009 book The Philosopher's Stone: Alchemy and the Secret Research for Exotic Matter (http://amzn.com/1932595406). I'm reading that book now and it's quite good. It provides one more view into this more encompassing physics.

[Wind]

I found another interesting QHHT session:
http://www.matthewmarnitz.com/blog/2013/03/09/qhht-session-impending-solar-storm-event-will-help-awaken-humanity/

Also this is an interesting article:
http://www.transients.info/2012/12/galactic-stellar-explosions-trigger.html

I suppose that in one week we will see.

I personally do still believe in miracles like ascension, but I think that the word ascension means a great shift in human consciousness. I'm not sure that how physical phenomenom it is, but it seems that it will totally change some people. Why not all? Because of soul levels, some are ready and some are not. There is no judgement in that. Nothing would be so cool than a shift from this trash can to a better world, but I don't blindly believe in dates anymore. At this level of consciousness we are really limited, but on the next level we will no longer perceive the world negatively. 4th dimensional world is paradise on Earth. Even then we will still be students of life and learning never stops.

I do really hope that something would happen, but we will have to see. I absolutely do believe that miraculous moments of consciousness expading collectively do exits.

[ThePythonicCow]

"Things" can get heavier or lighter, even weightless, and quite possibly even seem to vanish and appear elsewhere.
Listening now to what Farrell says in the 7th and 8th video in that playlist ... pay attention to what he calls "Torsion Field Physics", which is one (of many) names for this more encompassing physics.

In addition to things getting lighter or heavier (as their interaction with what we call gravity change or even disappears), also the frequencies of physical processes, such as the tuning fork in the Accutron watch (that Farrell mentions Hoagland working with) and cesium beam frequencies change, substantially, even just in the vicinity of some Pyramids. These pyramids are manifesting physical effects, on the "stuff" known to our conventional physics (such as a tuning fork) which are completely unexplained by that conventional physics.

I do not view these strange effects as going to some other "dimension" or "density". I don't really understand this use of those words. I view these effects as ones which a more complete physics can explain, but which our currently conventional physics cannot explain. These phenomenon involve more than just the mass and energy modeled by conventional physics. A more complete physics, such as what Farrell discusses under the name "torsion physics", can better explain more aspects of what's in our physical universe, including aspects not manifest as either mass or the fields we normally consider as interacting with mass.

[greybeard]

The transcript... it comes from the same person (Carla Rueckert) that channeled RA in the Law of One. I Q'uo is the name of the group that came across through the channeling and they are the same group as RA. Q'uo is basically an extension of the Law of One.

G: Thank you very much, Q’uo. I found that very helpful. M writes, “I would like to ask Q’uo what is the fate of the veil on this planet beginning in 2013 and continuing in time thereafter? Will it gradually dissolve? If so, at approximately what rate? Please describe how this occurrence will affect the planet and the third-density entities upon it as much as you can without infringing on the Law of Confusion. Thank you.”

We are those of Q’uo, and we thank the one known as M for this query. When one is, as you are, possessed of physical senses which perceive a physical world, it is completely understandable that you would not necessarily grasp the concept that all apparently solid objects are actually fields of energy. As fields of energy, the closest that they come to matter is small fields of energy within the larger and encompassing field of energy which are called atoms. However, from your scientists you have received the information that even these points of matter, so called, are in fact energy fields, that matter has never been seen by your keenest telescope. Rather, it is the path of energy that is seen. And you know from your scientists that an atom consists almost entirely of space. We mention these scientific facts to you so that you may begin to wrap your mind around the concept of the nested densities of the creation.

Third-density Earth is nested within fourth-density Earth. It is not the same Earth as fourth-density Earth. Third-density Earth will not become fourth-density Earth, any more than first-density Earth became second-density Earth, or second-density Earth became third-density Earth. These densities are nested in such a way as to occupy the same area or influence within space/time and time/space, held lovingly by the overarching energy field of your sun.

Third-density Earth is an Earth whose light is waning. While it will remain third-density, it will no longer support third-density entities in their seeking of the truth. Thusly, third density is shortly to become inactive, we would say, within three or four hundred of your years beyond 2012. Thusly, 2013 upon your planet will look very much like 2012 upon your planet. However, you will find that your population of entities grows more and more interested and fascinated with the reparation of the Earth and the healing of what you call your Mother Earth or Gaia.
Those who incarnate at this time upon Planet Earth, that is, after 2012, will be those whose experiences in other incarnations have carried with them an element of adhering karma because of the destruction of their Earth whether it be this Earth and the destruction of Atlantis, or Maldek, or Mars, or several other Earths that created an uninhabitable third-density planet and thusly needed to finish third density upon Planet Earth. There are quite a few millions of those who feel that desire at this time to be part of the healing of the Mother. And there is great joy in contemplating that healing.

Fourth-density Earth is an entirely different sphere, within which third density is nested. And as fourth-density light becomes that which your sun is capable of offering, that fourth-density Earth shall more and more become populated by those from third-density Earth who have graduated in a positive sense and wish to move on. It will be a long time before entities who are inhabiting third density will be able to see entities of fourth density. However, they are as real and as physical, shall we say, to themselves and to fourth-density Earth as you are to your Earth.
We realize that this is one of the less comfortable or naturally obvious concepts having to do with the concept of densities. It is natural for a person to think that this same Earth upon which your feet make footsteps shall become fourth density and that on this same Earth, fourth density shall take place. However, we would suggest to you that it is much like wanting to take your physical body with you when you pass from physical life upon this planet and hoping to drag what this instrument would call this chemical distillery of a body into fourth density and attempt to lug it around when everyone else is dancing with a much lighter and electrically driven rather than chemically driven body.

We thank all of those who asked these queries this evening. It is a great joy to us to feel that this group which sits within these modest walls has become quite large in its actual size. The reason that this is a delight to us is not because we want to attract followers or to become bigger, but rather because it is the nature of groups such as this one that you are lighthouses. And each entity doubles the energy of the entity next to you, so that even in a very modest group, you are creating a focus of light, a focus of intention and hope, that is exponentially greater than any of you could create by yourselves. And when you add all of those who are not physically in this room but who have moved into the energy of this particular circle of seeking by the questioning that they offer, then that lighthouse energy becomes exponentially greater. So, we thank each of those from wherever those queries came upon your globe and appreciate greatly the increase of light that occurs from those who are visiting in thought with this sitting circle.

It has been a privilege and a great pleasure to speak through this instrument and to share the meditation of this group. We leave you, as we found you, in the love and in the light of the one infinite Creator. We are known to you as the principle of Q’uo. Adonai. Adonai vasu borragus.
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2010/2010_0213.aspx

Ps
I had to delete one line as it was a poor paste job that implied that I had read The Law of One. I havent

The credit for the info lies with Rosie who sent the information to me.

Thanks Rosie.

Chris

[greybeard]

For the scientists amongst us and those who are interested to see where science meets spirituality

This is in line with the topic of the thread as it shows possibilities.

Chris

Published on 3 Mar 2013

Author and ufologist David Sereda returned to the show to illuminate the correlations between theoretical physics and spiritual wisdom. He pointed out how the duality of human nature-- such as good and evil, is mirrored in the atomic structure with its positive and negative components. Yet, light, he said, is the only particle in physics that is non-dual or "single" even though it does encounter inertia.

Relating this to the spiritual, Sereda noted that Jesus said: "If thine ye be single, thy whole body shall be filled with light." He also cited the paper of physicist Paul Dirac, The Equation of the Sea of Negative Energy (view Don Hotson's article --PDF file-- on this topic), as first presenting the discovery of "Singularity." In such a place, duality, time and conflict no longer exist, Sereda explained.

While individuals might move towards the Singularity through prayer and meditation, he said eventually there could be a physics model for such a concept, which could allow spaceships to enter into it and travel to locations in our galaxy much faster than the current speed of light.

Biography:

David Sereda's first aspiration in life was to become an astronaut. In 1968, David and a friend witnessed a UFO along with hundreds of other witnesses. After this experience, David grew up as a UFO enthusiast never living in doubt of the phenomena that has swept the world since the Roswell incident in 1947. His interest in space, religion, philosophy, astronomy and science led him on his career in related fields. He has worked deeply in high technology, on environmental and humanitarian issues and as a professional photographer for over 20 years. He has studied world religion, science, physics and paranormal psychology for over 25 years.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQkjryCflQU

[araucaria]

Words used interchangeably like dimension or density reflect the inadequacy of language in describing phenomena beyond our five-sense perceptions. We can conceptualize three dimensions from a two-dimensional drawing. But it takes an artist like Bernini to allow us to conceptualize four dimensions from a three-dimensional sculpture, the fourth being time, in his Apollo and Daphne. Daphne is turned into a laurel bush when Apollo’s advances become too pressing. If you walk round the statue in an anti-clockwise direction (which this video fails to do), you will see this actually happening, with more and more bush and less and less Daphne.


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To take this process one step further can only involve extrapolation. It is highly likely that what we may call the fifth ‘dimension’ is not a dimension at all as we know it, or a density, whatever that is, and yet we can imagine a hologram changing over time as being a simplified representation of some higher order of reality. Since ‘a hologram changing over time’ is one possible description of our present reality, we are basically just carrying on where Plato left off with his cave, still devising analogies for what is really going on.



Einstein’s famous equation is a scientific example of this. In a universe where nothing can go faster than light (U ≤ mc), the very concept of c² has to be an import from some other universe. Which is why it is theorized that the physical realization of this concept, namely the atom bomb, actually split open the fabric of our spacetime. Science on its own can be a dangerous thing.

[RMorgan]

Words used interchangeably like dimension or density reflect the inadequacy of language in describing phenomena beyond our five-sense perceptions.

Hey araucaria,

The thing is, if it´s beyond our observation capabilities, it isn´t even a phenomena, by definition.

If it´s beyond our observation capabilities, who conceptualized such ideas and how?

I´ll tell you; The contemporary new ager definition and conceptualizations of density came mostly from a single source, which is "The Law of One", a series of channeled books, which states:

The first density is the density of the elements (Earth, Wind, Fire, Water) (physical matter such as atoms, molecules, rocks, metals, liquids, gases).
The second density is the density of organic life: plants, animals, bacteria, etc.
The third density is the density which human beings inhabit. It is the density of self-awareness. It is also the density of duality/polarity.
The fourth density is the density of love and like all subsequent densities, is inhabited by mind/body/spirit complexes of a higher level of spiritual evolution than human beings on present day Earth.
The fifth density is the density of light or wisdom.
The sixth density is the density of unity consciousness, where love and wisdom unite, where all polarities unite.
The seventh density is the gateway density, the last density before mind/body/spirit complexes merge back into the Creator.
The eighth density is the beginning of the next octave.

From there, several new age gurus started to add their own ideas to "improve" the concept.

That´s why no one is able to explain the fundamental principles behind such concept, because it started from channeled material and from there, several new agers created their own versions as they pleased.

So, to believe in such concepts will depend if you believe the legitimacy of channeled materials or not, specially the Law of One.

It all falls into the realm of dogmas and beliefs.

Personally, I don´t believe channeled material for several reasons:

-Hearing voices in your mind may be a symptom of mental illness, such as schizophrenia.
-People might actually be channeling their own subconsciousness.
-People often fabricate channeled material for financial or other selfish purposes.
-The level of disagreement and incoherence between several sources of channeled material is incredibly high.
-The number of documented failed predictions involving channeled material is simply outstanding.
-Mind control weapons might be involved in the process of channeling. This is a very real possibility.
-Ultimately, even if some channelers are legit, there´s no way to verify the authenticity of the spiritual source; It might be a bad entity disguised as a good one.

So, in my opinion, channeled material is not even close to be a reliable source of information. I wouldn´t bet the future of mankind on it.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Delight]

I am not able to understand much but I know some things (and knowing is for the self). And I love seeking knowledge.
What do the geniuses know? I want to learn from the REAL masters.

Below I reference Gregg Braden but I do not see him as a master but a seeker who gathers information. Many others are that....they find information and pass it on.

"The quality of our beliefs while we are are observing the world around us" is "a quantum essence" according to Gregg Braden here.


http://vimeo.com/35407564

And Edgar Cayce once said" Mind is the Builder".

Far from dead matter made and laid down, the real is a continuing motion and we shape into form what it appears to be.

This is quite aligned with Walter Russell because the main belief he sees left out of the picture which has completely obfuscated reality is the role of Creation. It wasn't a Big Bang but an unfolding and refolding of light and we shape its out picturing. Russell says this at the first of his year long course. We must each meditate to access Creator and the process of creation that we participate within. Genius has appeared to be associated with constant communion with "light", not physical light but a sentience within the heart.

XeCbDu8SeHI

Look at these great scientists, in addition to Walter Russell who ABSOLUTELY met the mind of God.... they all attributed their knowledge to Nature, God, Angels information given in Silent communion. Each brought forth new knowledge... not argumentative derivative and dead repetition of the Ego but deep refreshment.

I am not very scientific but i am a terrier when it comes to digging the difference between gold and brass. These authorities I have found on the one to one relationship of Hu Man and Creator are gold. They don't say what to know but how to know. Whgatever happens to mankind, the ones who know how to connect with Creator will re-invent the wheel if necessary...

1. George Washington Carver
2. Victor Schauberger
3. Nicolai Tesla
4. Luther Burbank
5. Hildegard Von Bingen

Sure, I would like to see a blue wave of truth spreading. But I appreciate that I am not constantly in my own communion with Creator's field.... takes 100% focus to hear the silence.

[araucaria]

Raf, the belief/disbelief paradigm, I don't go there. I just sift through thoughts and feelings, channelled from wherever, often off my computer screen, sometimes straight out my own head (at least that's what I tell myself :)), and all of which are possibly not observations, but they are perceptions.

[ThePythonicCow]

It seems to me that "observable mass", such as can effect the energy fields that in turn effect our lab instruments, is itself a manifestation of underlying twisting, turning, vortical activity ... of just what is unclear and perhaps the wrong question to ask!
On page 152 of Farrell's April 2009 book The Philosopher's Stone: Alchemy and the Secret Research for Exotic Matter (http://amzn.com/1932595406), Farrell quotes Wilcock quoting Tesla:




Tesla, Wilcock notes, stated in 1891 that the physical medium "behaves as a fluid to solid bodies, and as a solid to light and heat." Moreover, with "sufficiently high voltage and frequency" the medium itself could be accessed.
What I described as "underlying twisting, turning, vortical activity" is what this quote calls the physical medium. This medium is not an electro-magnetic field; rather manipulation of electro-magnetic fields provides one of the ways we can manipulate the medium.

As an interesting aside, note that the First (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_law_of_thermodynamics) and Second (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics) Laws of Thermodynamics are nothing more nor less than postulates (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/postulate) mandating that there is no such underlying medium except what manifests as the mass and energy studied by conventional physics. Outside of a proof by contradiction, the phrase "assume that which was to be proven" is not considered sound reasoning in mathematics :).

[Youniverse]

Funny how whenever you get some positive information that resonates with some, you always get somebody giving it a negative twist. You guys realize this world IS an ILLUSION don't you? The ones that keep grasping for the most sophisticated scientific explanations are entirely too serious and stuck in their heads. Lighten up please you guys!:) I mean that with all due respect. All these opinions and analogies and positions ultimately mean very little. I know that many of you know this and practice it on a daily basis. Some of us are way too serious(I've been there done that) about this video game or amusement park we're in. This is your game icon talking, with the odd glimpse at the REAL person manning the controls. There's such a great message in the OP of this thread and some are overanalyzing the heck out of it instead of taking or leaving it. If it sounds like BS to you then leave it alone and let others enjoy it.

Part of the message of the OP is to get our selves out of the way so the divine can do its thing. We don't need to beat this to death. As I said I've been there with the over-intellectualizing and analysis. I have OCD and I know that mental noise can drive you up the wall. So why do all the most enlightened masters rave about the power of meditation? Cause they're trying to help us get out of this compulsive thinking. All these stories that keep us trapped in a certain kind of world. We don't need them. I like what Niszagardatta said about what we call our 'lives', chalk it up to a dream and set it aside. We talk alot about our dreams but is our waking life any less of a dream? No. As far as the illusions we create and interact with, it is no less of a dream.

I'm not discounting science by any means. I enjoy it equally with spirituality. However, only when the two unite will there be any kind of clarity, and along with that there will always be things unexplained. One cannot validate spiritual phenomena with science. It would be like trying to validate science with spirituality. The latter sounds ridiculous right? So why wouldn't the former? For some reason, many people have come to the conclusion that the spiritual world is scientifically verifiable, and if it isn't, it should be. WHY??? Why would something that is not subject to the laws of science be verifiable through scientific tools or reasoning? At best you will get an implication. No explication however. Let go and let God.

I just wanted to add that this is a wonderful thread IMHO. My words are not stating how it is, rather simply my opinion of course. Bless all of you my sisters and brothers!

[greybeard]

Amen Youniverse.
The longest distance is head to heart.
In the David Sereda video I posted--there is full and credible scientific explanation of how the illusion works.
That illusion is called duality, reality is singularity.
We seem to me moving towards Unity Consciousness.

Chris

[Youniverse]

Oh and I forgot to mention. Some of us are still operating very much with the assumptions or belief in SEPERATENESS(as if the so-called OTHERS are so very apart from you). That is okay and I honour that for it has been created by many eons of conditioning. So when we get into these discussions about the PTB or Illuminati or some outside influence, we are actually talking about an aspect of the self that has kept us trapped in a certain kind of reality. This is why some of the message in the OP may not make any sense to some. I've spent the greater part of my life stuck in that same kind of mode so I certainly wouldn't talk down to anyone in it. I empathize greatly with those frustrated by the kind of suffering we've all been subject to. WE are all responsible! Yes you too! When we play the blame game we cut ourselves off from the power and flow of the universe. I've been guilty of getting caught up in some of these discussions about the PTB. The truth is, I feel, those kinds of thoughts and words just waste more time in a lower frequency. It's the EGO needing to be right again, and making the 'other' wrong. When we approach ALL as ourself we find real solutions rather than conflict(which the ego lives by).

[ThePythonicCow]

The blue light engages the reptilian hindbrain, via the peripheral vision,the original design of the base avatar system. Our original vision/reptile/base system.

It opens the door between base avatar programming and consciousness programming. It is the avatar/dimensional programming/knowing/opening doorway.
The interested reader may find this earlier post of Carmody's to be relevant: The Question of Lithium (Post #229) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17872-The-Question-of-Lithium--Alchemy-dimensions-shapeshifters-aliens-existence-reality..-&p=607173&viewfull=1#post607173)

I've begun to notice that I can pick up a glass or utensil from the kitchen counter without looking directly at it. My conscience and eyes can be focused on something else, and my hand will go precisely to the right place to grasp the item, without hesitation or feeling about.

I suspect that this is using my peripheral vision and my reptilian or some other below conscious part of my brain, to guide my hand. Probably some less klutzy people notice this about 60 years earlier in their life than I did :).

[RMorgan]

Funny how whenever you get some positive information that resonates with some, you always get somebody giving it a negative twist.

Hey mate,

Negative is not the right word. I´m not negative in any sense. Probably, "inquisitive twist" would be more adequate.

inquisitive:  
1. given to inquiry, research, or asking questions; eager for knowledge; intellectually curious: an inquisitive mind.


If it sounds like BS to you then leave it alone and let others enjoy it.

I think this forum is a place to share ideas, perspectives and openly and politely discuss all sorts of things.

If everybody just replied to threads they already agree with, we all would be intellectually and spiritually stagnant.

There´s no development of knowledge without opposition. Besides, refutation is the best way to either prove or disprove a theory.


One cannot validate spiritual phenomena with science.

Yes, science can either validate and refute spiritual/mystical/esoteric phenomena. It can even refute and validate simultaneously!

In fact, this is one of the most important roles of science.

Tell me, how many previously spiritual concepts were refuted by science?

The sun, rain, fire, moon, planets, plagues, lightning and countless other previously considered spiritual/mystical phenomena were demystified by science.

Does it invalidate them? Absolutely not. Despite being refuted, they continue to exist and are more valid than ever because they were brought to the realm of the known.

If it wasn´t for science, we would still be living in caves, believing that the sun is a god and Earth was held in place by a giant turtle or something like that.

Spiritual, esoteric and mystical are all definitions of the unknown; There will always be the unknown.

However, given the proper time, science will always shed light on the current unknowns, refuting some and confirming others, giving space for more complex unknowns. This process will go on and on indefinitely.

Anyway, we´re already on March; Soon it will be April and then we will know better. Probably, nothing regarding a "great awakening" will happen, then we will hear the same evasive excuses, then someone else will make another prediction thread and we will debate the same issues over and over again.

Raf.

[Youniverse]

Funny how whenever you get some positive information that resonates with some, you always get somebody giving it a negative twist.

Hey mate,

Negative is not the right word. I´m not negative in any sense. Probably, "inquisitive twist" would be more adequate.

inquisitive:  
1. given to inquiry, research, or asking questions; eager for knowledge; intellectually curious: an inquisitive mind.


If it sounds like BS to you then leave it alone and let others enjoy it.

I think this forum is a place to share ideas, perspectives and openly and politely discuss all sorts of things.

If everybody just replied to threads they already agree with, we all would be intellectually and spiritually stagnant.

There´s no development of knowledge without opposition. Besides, refutation is the best way to either prove or disprove a theory.


One cannot validate spiritual phenomena with science.

Yes, science can either validate and refute spiritual/mystical/esoteric phenomena. It can even refute and validate simultaneously!

In fact, this is one of the most important roles of science.

Tell me, how many previously spiritual concepts were refuted by science?

The sun, rain, fire, moon, planets, plagues, lightning and countless other previously considered spiritual/mystical phenomena were demystified by science.

Does it invalidate them? Absolutely not. Despite being refuted, they continue to exist and are more valid than ever because they were brought to the realm of the known.

If it wasn´t for science, we would still be living in caves, believing that the sun is a god and Earth was held in place by a giant turtle or something like that.

Spiritual, esoteric and mystical are all definitions of the unknown; There will always be the unknown.

However, given the proper time, science will always shed light on the current unknowns, refuting some and confirming others, giving space for more complex unknowns. This process will go on and on indefinitely.

Anyway, we´re already on March; Soon it will be April and then we will know better. Probably, nothing regarding a "great awakening" will happen, then we will hear the same evasive excuses, then someone else will make another prediction thread and we will debate the same issues over and over again.

Raf.

You totally missed the point I was making but that's okay :). And what you call refuting by science of the way ancient peoples described natural phenomenon, is a science biased perspective of the past. Just because one does not describe things the same way scientists nowadays do, doesn't mean they were clueless or less knowledgable. Some ancients perhaps were and others were likely much wiser than any scientists today. But if you only think in a linear sense you will disagree. You seem to think I was attacking science even though I said I like science alot. There are many other things I could debate with you in your reaction to my post but arguing isn't my style anymore. And I don't have any problems with anyone sharing whatever opinions they have in any post. We'll just have to disagree on the science validating or verifying spirituality and vice versa and probably many other things, That's okay too. Much love and blessings to you my brother! :)

[crosby]

i am so hoping that Quantum Odyssey will return to this thread and continue on with the conversation she intended. i think that one way to discover and uncover phenomenon that we do not understand is too continue to research it and discuss it. the topic is fascinating (to me, at least) and i would love to explore it further.
warmest regards, corson

[Carmody]

Funny how whenever you get some positive information that resonates with some, you always get somebody giving it a negative twist.

Hey mate,

Negative is not the right word. I´m not negative in any sense. Probably, "inquisitive twist" would be more adequate.

inquisitive:  
1. given to inquiry, research, or asking questions; eager for knowledge; intellectually curious: an inquisitive mind.


If it sounds like BS to you then leave it alone and let others enjoy it.

I think this forum is a place to share ideas, perspectives and openly and politely discuss all sorts of things.

If everybody just replied to threads they already agree with, we all would be intellectually and spiritually stagnant.

There´s no development of knowledge without opposition. Besides, refutation is the best way to either prove or disprove a theory.


One cannot validate spiritual phenomena with science.

Yes, science can either validate and refute spiritual/mystical/esoteric phenomena. It can even refute and validate simultaneously!

In fact, this is one of the most important roles of science.

Tell me, how many previously spiritual concepts were refuted by science?

The sun, rain, fire, moon, planets, plagues, lightning and countless other previously considered spiritual/mystical phenomena were demystified by science.

Does it invalidate them? Absolutely not. Despite being refuted, they continue to exist and are more valid than ever because they were brought to the realm of the known.

If it wasn´t for science, we would still be living in caves, believing that the sun is a god and Earth was held in place by a giant turtle or something like that.

Spiritual, esoteric and mystical are all definitions of the unknown; There will always be the unknown.

However, given the proper time, science will always shed light on the current unknowns, refuting some and confirming others, giving space for more complex unknowns. This process will go on and on indefinitely.

Anyway, we´re already on March; Soon it will be April and then we will know better. Probably, nothing regarding a "great awakening" will happen, then we will hear the same evasive excuses, then someone else will make another prediction thread and we will debate the same issues over and over again.

Raf.

Raf, if we don't debate these things, nothing will ever happen.

If those threads fail to occur, there will never be any change.

if you want a world without those threads, it would be a very dead world, with automatons and machines as people.

Why don't you just give it up now?

The crazy seeming stuff is REQUIRED in order to show that change is necessary. The irritating stick must be pushed into people's eye - constantly. For as long as it takes.... until it is done.

in the film, 'the thin red line', the genral, played by Travolta, asked the major, played by Nick Nolte..Travolta asked Nolte..:

Travolta: 'How much do you want that island?'

Nolte said powerfully and quietly..:'As Much as I have to, sir.'

The answer is everything, all the dials slowly advanced toward 11, constantly, to a fever pitch, if necessary. whatever works best, for the situation at hand.

That people tend to need to see a reflection of something they don't understand..for a very long time, before they 'get it'.

Hell, in most cases...you can't event tell a man or woman that their prior partner is gone, and wants nothing to do with them anymore. Getting that to sink in to them so they understand it in a real form.. is next to impossible, most times..and can take a literal number of YEARS.

That is a personal relationship issue.

What we are talking about here, is something MUCH bigger to the psychology of the person, and harder to fathom, in all ways.

The beatings will continue, until the morale improves.

The stick will continue to be pushed into the eye of humanity, until humanity finally understands.

And if waving a seeming (to you) ridiculous flag in front of people is what it takes, then so be it.

Over, and over, and over, and over, and over again, and again. Until it is done.

[Youniverse]

We just need to be careful in these threads not to be too presumptious about what other people may know or not know. Always. That goes for all of us of course. We are only catching snippets of each person's true feelings or opinions on a subject. And there are always different ways to get to the truth of it. It is the old energy way to always have opposition and conflict and argument to come to some sort of conclusion. We can have many differing opinions and have a conversation in a respectful and mature way. There is always a better way than confrontation as well. At any rate, these are all just stories we tell to try to make sense of phenomenon. Some stories or explanations are more sophisticated than others, but they are all just stories about this illusion we call reality. The stories aren't important. The observer is.

[The Truth Is In There]

some prophecies speak about the same point that is described in the OP. they say it is one moment of clarity for all of humanity, or at east for those who recognize it as such, one moment that shows the future on earth (the golden age) for those who realize that all is one, and that will give them the knowledge and strength they need to get through the painful years that follow (the great tribulation) without losing hope or going crazy. the next 7 years will be so hard for humanity that "god" offers a glimpse of the beautiful future to all humans but few will see it or understand what it means. it is a gift.

[Wind]

The big solar flare will cleanse the electrical field and afterwards we will not be manipulated from outside sources. The negative forces will not be inhabiting the New Earth.

[Youniverse]

The big solar flare will cleanse the electrical field and afterwards we will not be manipulated from outside sources. The negative forces will not be inhabiting the New Earth.

I hope you are right of course. I wonder if the solar flare you speak of will take out our electronics? Cell phones? Internet? and so on.

[Wind]

I hope you are right of course. I wonder if the solar flare you speak of will take out our electronics? Cell phones? Internet? and so on.

Well, yes, but according to this source it says those who are going the 4th dimension will not be effected by it:http://angelicview.wordpress.com/2012/12/01/qhht-session-with-susan-part-i/

Because it is a shift in consciousness it means that we will be able to communicate in other ways after it... All the details of the shift are not known and maybe it is intended that way. However, there is no need to be afraid. I just hope that it happens.

[Quantum Odyssey]

Quantum Odyssey, have you had other sessions where the outcome or description was similar? and is this happening with other people who perform these sessions as well?
warmest regards, corson

There are around two thousand of us world wide who have been trained by Dolores Cannon to perform QHH. Several hundred of us who are the most active with QHH share our findings on a private forum.

It is truly extraordinary how many people have been sharing similar session findings regarding The Shift and the New Earth gathered from all over the world over the last few years.
One person will share findings and within days people on the other side of the world report the same session findings with different people of different backgrounds speaking different languages.
It hasn't had time to become apart of conscious awareness through media ..books, blogs, etc. to where you could refute it as subconsciously existing.

Many are reporting this blue light coming as well as a sound. Some describe it as extremely loud white noise others as a tremendous roar coming from the Earth itself.

I do feel an energy shift as we approach this time frame. The pressure in my head specifically my third eye center has increased. This is something I experience just before earth quakes. I can feel an earth quake over 50 miles from the epicenter of one as small as 2 to3.5 magnitude. ( I live in So. Cal.. Land of the earthquakes!) but that feeling disapates within minutes of the quake.
This feeling now remains constant over the last two weeks. Also a feeling of bliss. This is hard to explain but when you have it you will never forget it. It is as if you are awash in feelings of extreme peace and calm and benevolence. This bliss is not connected to anything in my life...nothing is different in my personal circumstances yet this bliss washes over me for large periods of time.
Many many providers as well as individuals have come to my site and reported their personal experiences. A fine vibration moving over and through the body is being experienced by many as well as myself. Many have had dreams and or experienced the same vision in meditations as the excerpt I have shared here. They are also experiencing energy vortices.

The feedback is incredible as people have rebloged my blog of The Awakening all over the world. It is being shared throughout Europe, Australia, South America and the USA. They are sharing their experiences and validation of their personal insights, physical sensations and messages they have received to be the same as what was seen in my session research for the book.

Something is coming our way without a doubt. Exactly what and how it manifests and what it brings with it remains to be seen.

Very exciting times indeed!

[Quantum Odyssey]

Quantum Odyssey wrote:

While agreed "time" doesn't exist in a variety of ways the Akashic records holds all information that ever has been or will be... Since all time exists at the same time, the Akashic records have info from past, present and future...


Noted author and psychic healer, Chris Thomas, states in his book, Project HUMAN EXTINCTION: The Ultimate Conspiracy, he writes:


The [Sanskrit] word Akashic means "record" and records every single detail of every single event that occurs on Earth. There is, additionally, a more extended Akashic which records every single event that has taken place within this Universe.

Whilst the Akashic has mainly been spoken of by people who are a part of ancient spiritual knowledge, in recent years the still awakening scientific field of quantum physics has begun to incorporate the Akashic into mainstream science. This is to help scientists understand how information is stored and disseminated throughout the Universe and forms a fundamental core of knowledge linking several scientific fields together.

Everything that has ever occurred, on Earth and in the Universe beyond, is recorded within this "field of knowledge" and some psychics are able to tap into this knowledge and pass the information on. The same is true for most people, we can all tap into the Akashic in some way and, when we do access this knowledge it is usually referred to as "Intuition".

Also, in a Lisa Harrison interview here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhE1aBSBzrc#t=5m06s), Chris Thomas answers questions posed by Lisa concerning the Akashic. In that interview (and from his writing) Chris Thomas limits the Akashic to events that occur &/or have occurred in the past (not to events that will occur at a future time), whereas you are saying that the Akashic also includes future events that have not yet happened.

There appears to be some discrepancy in what you refer to as the Akashic and what Chris Thomas is saying.
Do you care to comment in this regard? What have been your experience(s) in tapping into the Akashic?

*A later edit*
Chris Thomas:


The Akashic records, it does not predict.
THE HUMAN SOUL: Universal Soul (2) Chapter One (page 30)

*Another later edit*
Quantum Odyssey wrote:

Since all time exists at the same time...
I just have to also ask you: In making the above statement, are you saying that this is what you have found from your own personal experience? Or is this something that is taught to you as a part of your training?
In other words, is this notion coming from your first hand experience, or is it an idea that you read somewhere, or was told by someone else, perhaps during your training?

Best regards - turiya :cool:

Here is a great explanation of the Akashic records that illustrates my viewpoint:

"What are the Akashic Records?
The Akashic Records are an energetic imprint of every thought, action, emotion, and experience that has ever occurred in time and space. The Akashic Records can also be understood as the imprint of all experiences of all lifetime in all realities. They are an etheric, holographic repository of information for human consciousness for the past, present and potentials for the future. The energy that makes up the Akashic Records is the energy of Love! The knowledge contained in the Akashic Records is imprinted upon a subtle substance called the Akasha, which describes the energy of Love that permeates and creates everything in the Universe." From http://www.akashictransformations.net/

Personally when I have meditated and asked to access the Akashic realm I received messages in Hebrew, Sanskrit, Greek and Latin. I know none of these languages yet received amazing messages of being in contact with Source. It lead me on an extraordinary journey of study and discovery of the metaphysical realm.

It is a combination of personal research over the years and in part training and in part actual experiences as to some of my comments.

"Time" is not a particular subject of the QHH curriculum. Dolores does assert that there is no such thing as time...based on her research and her session findings etc.
If you want to know more of her stance in "time" there are a lot of videos on YouTube where she speaks on this subject.

When many intuitives/psychics access the Akashic/ Universal records are able to bring forth information of "future" events..the predicated time frame can be a bit blurry because everything feels as "now" as if it is presently happening although it maybe years away.

I do believe predications can be very accurate at the time received but leaps in collective consciousness and the universal mind of human beings can change said events and the course of the future.

I am not the only one who believes that all time exists at once as there are many theories the parallel time lines and quantum jumping etc.. I think in part this period we are entering is where all timelines will start to converge, thus lending itself to revealing all time existing at once making time travel more accessible.

I read a great variety on many subjects from many authors and sources. I do not believe everything that I read nor hear yet I am willing to ponder it and open my mind to it.
I am not a scientist nor a paid researcher but merely an enthusiast who is on a quest for knowledge and understanding.
Therefore I cannot give you quotes and footnotes and give you documented data to support all my insights and comments, only some.

Personally have experienced time fluidity so I do believe time is very very fluid and becoming more so. I have experienced "stretching" time. It happend accidently. Nearly an hour of activity compressed into 20 mins. I thought the clock was wrong. I actually checked three different clocks to confirm time.
The next time I actually set the intent to stretch time.(slow time). To fit 2 hr project into 1.25 hr. and succeeded without changing my pace nor method. Now I have been able to accomplish a few times at will. Ask and you shall receive!

Nevertheless we are still governed by time on this planet and because of this is asked for timeframes of said events mentioned in my session research. One of the answers was "why do you insist on asking us to define something that does not exist?"
I smiled at that because I agreed with it yet as am still a mere mortal still trying to understand, measure and track what I cannot see :)

These questions I asked on behalf of the general public who asked me these questions on a daily basis. I asked even though I already had my own opinion as to the answers. That is what inspired this project.

As to the leading my subject/client (another post comment) I was in no way leading them to the conclusions. Where I may have misunderstood an answer as I was clarifying it I was quickly corrected.

Again this project was intended to be a perspective. Simple enough. Not a scientific laboratory controlled experiment. Had it been intended as such I would have conducted this over a five year period with one hundred people in a controlled laboratory environment etc.
I would have love to do that actually but that non existent thing called TIME was ticking away as many people thought
"The End" was coming. :)

[crosby]

Quantum Odyssey, have you had other sessions where the outcome or description was similar? and is this happening with other people who perform these sessions as well?
warmest regards, corson

There are around two thousand of us world wide who have been trained by Dolores Cannon to perform QHH. Several hundred of us who are the most active with QHH share our findings on a private forum.

It is truly extraordinary how many people have been sharing similar session findings regarding The Shift and the New Earth gathered from all over the world over the last few years.
One person will share findings and within days people on the other side of the world report the same session findings with different people of different backgrounds speaking different languages.
It hasn't had time to become apart of conscious awareness through media ..books, blogs, etc. to where you could refute it as subconsciously existing.

Many are reporting this blue light coming as well as a sound. Some describe it as extremely loud white noise others as a tremendous roar coming from the Earth itself.

I do feel an energy shift as we approach this time frame. The pressure in my head specifically my third eye center has increased. This is something I experience just before earth quakes. I can feel an earth quake over 50 miles from the epicenter of one as small as 2 to3.5 magnitude. ( I live in So. Cal.. Land of the earthquakes!) but that feeling disapates within minutes of the quake.
This feeling now remains constant over the last two weeks. Also a feeling of bliss. This is hard to explain but when you have it you will never forget it. It is as if you are awash in feelings of extreme peace and calm and benevolence. This bliss is not connected to anything in my life...nothing is different in my personal circumstances yet this bliss washes over me for large periods of time.
Many many providers as well as individuals have come to my site and reported their personal experiences. A fine vibration moving over and through the body is being experienced by many as well as myself. Many have had dreams and or experienced the same vision in meditations as the excerpt I have shared here. They are also experiencing energy vortices.

The feedback is incredible as people have rebloged my blog of The Awakening all over the world. It is being shared throughout Europe, Australia, South America and the USA. They are sharing their experiences and validation of their personal insights, physical sensations and messages they have received to be the same as what was seen in my session research for the book.

Something is coming our way without a doubt. Exactly what and how it manifests and what it brings with it remains to be seen.

Very exciting times indeed!


i agree, these are very exciting times indeed. and thank you for sharing this information. i feel that since this is happening to so many, without any previous knowledge from others and because it is so widespread throughout the world by different peoples, this information could be so beneficial to the masses. i hope that Dolores, or someone such as yourself, has the opportunity to have all of the information put into a collective form such as a book, or perhaps in documentary style. i know that trying to interview thousands is a bit of a stretch, but i feel that the most interesting experiences could be put together in some format to get the word out. this is very exciting to learn about, and i hope that you continue to update here as often as possible. thanks so much for taking the time to bring us this information.
warmest regards, corson

[The Truth Is In There]

it's a celestial body whose electromagnetic influence on earth and us will have tremendous repercussions both on a physical and spiritual level. i'm not calling it nibiru but what the hopi prophecies tell about the red kachina seems fitting. according to psychics we may start to really notice its influence first in a week or so but it will get much stronger during the following weeks. this has also to do with what the farsight institute called the "global coastal event". it's all interconnected. for humans, brain damaging zombification and enlightenment are two sides of the same coin.

[greybeard]

it's a celestial body whose electromagnetic influence on earth and us will have tremendous repercussions both on a physical and spiritual level. i'm not calling it nibiru but what the hopi prophecies tell about the red kachina seems fitting. according to psychics we may start to really notice its influence first in a week or so but it will get much stronger during the following weeks. this has also to do with what the farsight institute called the "global coastal event". it's all interconnected. for humans, brain damaging zombification and enlightenment are two sides of the same coin.

Major Ed Dames also produced a video called Kill Shot
I found it and posted it below----his credentials for himself and the training of his team of remote viewers is second to none,
That is not to say it is going to happen though.
As a documentary it is interesting.
I would not take anything to seriously.
My bench mark is Death is not a possibility ---for anyone.
NDE and enlightened masters testify to this.
Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjiaB9ZuGCM

[The Truth Is In There]

i think the kill shot may also be part of this given the current drama with north korea. it's all beginning to fall into place.

[greybeard]

Gets interesting thirty minutes in.
ETs are helping us now and have prevented World War 3 .
Its a Coast to Coast AM interview.
One way or another we will be just fine.

Chris



Published on 1 Jan 2013

Remote viewing teacher Ed Dames presented his latest insights and predictions on such subjects as 'Solar Killshot' safe havens, ongoing extraterrestrial intervention, the Fukushima disaster, and war with Iran. We're not going to be hit by just one mega solar flare, but a series of them over time (perhaps over a 1-2 year period), "that's going to turn Earth into a veritable X-ray & proton rotisserie," he said. Locations in the southern hemisphere, such as in Australia and Africa will have few survival zones, though Christchurch, New Zealand is one possible sanctuary, he said. If you aren't in a safe haven, then living underground to avoid the high winds and dark skies, is your best option, he added.

One bright spot is that there will be ET intervention to help us to rebuild after the solar calamity, he shared. In fact, ETs have already intervened to stop WWIII several times, he claimed. Non-terrestrial humans who have a base here on Earth, have generated glowing plasma balls to stop nuclear activity, Dames continued. He also foresees a global pandemic that will be a combination of bird and swine flu, as well as worldwide financial collapse triggered by Japan's economy suddenly failing.

Dames, who previously predicted a large quake in Japan a number of years before the Fukushima incident (view related video), said there will be 50,000-80,000 deaths from cancers associated with the nuclear plant fallout, with children being particularly susceptible. He sees America getting drawn into a war or military activity against Iran, which in turn will cause China to coax North Korea to start a confrontation, while the US is vulnerable.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pCVABRMZnk

[marique3652]

PPersonally, I don´t believe channeled material for several reasons:

-Hearing voices in your mind may be a symptom of mental illness, such as schizophrenia.
-People might actually be channeling their own subconsciousness.
-People often fabricate channeled material for financial or other selfish purposes.
-The level of disagreement and incoherence between several sources of channeled material is incredibly high.
-The number of documented failed predictions involving channeled material is simply outstanding.
-Mind control weapons might be involved in the process of channeling. This is a very real possibility.
-Ultimately, even if some channelers are legit, there´s no way to verify the authenticity of the spiritual source; It might be a bad entity disguised as a good one.

So, in my opinion, channeled material is not even close to be a reliable source of information. I wouldn´t bet the future of mankind on it.

Cheers,
I could not agree more, that is how I feel too.....ersonally, I don´t believe channeled material for several reasons:

-Hearing voices in your mind may be a symptom of mental illness, such as schizophrenia.
-People might actually be channeling their own subconsciousness.
-People often fabricate channeled material for financial or other selfish purposes.
-The level of disagreement and incoherence between several sources of channeled material is incredibly high.
-The number of documented failed predictions involving channeled material is simply outstanding.
-Mind control weapons might be involved in the process of channeling. This is a very real possibility.
-Ultimately, even if some channelers are legit, there´s no way to verify the authenticity of the spiritual source; It might be a bad entity disguised as a good one.

So, in my opinion, channeled material is not even close to be a reliable source of information. I wouldn´t bet the future of mankind on it.

Cheers,


Words used interchangeably like dimension or density reflect the inadequacy of language in describing phenomena beyond our five-sense perceptions.

Hey araucaria,

The thing is, if it´s beyond our observation capabilities, it isn´t even a phenomena, by definition.

If it´s beyond our observation capabilities, who conceptualized such ideas and how?

I´ll tell you; The contemporary new ager definition and conceptualizations of density came mostly from a single source, which is "The Law of One", a series of channeled books, which states:

The first density is the density of the elements (Earth, Wind, Fire, Water) (physical matter such as atoms, molecules, rocks, metals, liquids, gases).
The second density is the density of organic life: plants, animals, bacteria, etc.
The third density is the density which human beings inhabit. It is the density of self-awareness. It is also the density of duality/polarity.
The fourth density is the density of love and like all subsequent densities, is inhabited by mind/body/spirit complexes of a higher level of spiritual evolution than human beings on present day Earth.
The fifth density is the density of light or wisdom.
The sixth density is the density of unity consciousness, where love and wisdom unite, where all polarities unite.
The seventh density is the gateway density, the last density before mind/body/spirit complexes merge back into the Creator.
The eighth density is the beginning of the next octave.

From there, several new age gurus started to add their own ideas to "improve" the concept.

That´s why no one is able to explain the fundamental principles behind such concept, because it started from channeled material and from there, several new agers created their own versions as they pleased.

So, to believe in such concepts will depend if you believe the legitimacy of channeled materials or not, specially the Law of One.

It all falls into the realm of dogmas and beliefs.

Personally, I don´t believe channeled material for several reasons:

-Hearing voices in your mind may be a symptom of mental illness, such as schizophrenia.
-People might actually be channeling their own subconsciousness.
-People often fabricate channeled material for financial or other selfish purposes.
-The level of disagreement and incoherence between several sources of channeled material is incredibly high.
-The number of documented failed predictions involving channeled material is simply outstanding.
-Mind control weapons might be involved in the process of channeling. This is a very real possibility.
-Ultimately, even if some channelers are legit, there´s no way to verify the authenticity of the spiritual source; It might be a bad entity disguised as a good one.

So, in my opinion, channeled material is not even close to be a reliable source of information. I wouldn´t bet the future of mankind on it.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Delight]

This is all so personal.
I am feeling something GREAT is happening and I am feeling so much tenderness and no contradictions when the resonance behind words is the same.

I am placing here Sandra Walter as an antidote to Ed Dames, whom I personally stopped hearing years ago because of his insistence on doom (many many luckily failed prophecies).

Sandra Water was interviewed by Zany Mystic so I looked further.
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Equinox Gateway Light is here Sandra Walter


A new frequency of light is entering through interdimensional portals since March 11. It is photonic and demands order, balance, and evolution. It also activates the Solar Cosmic Christ consciousness within you, if you prepared for this and choose to assist Gaia in this way.

We may use this light to embody our 5D presence, and completely dissolve the collective memory and re-creation of dark constructs.


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[greybeard]

My thought is to get information from here and there in order to build up a picture of potential.

With all the videos and books that are available frankly a case for virtually any future could be made.
Truth is that the future is different for all.
I would love to see the OP come true---it may.
I would rather that Ed Dames vision does not come about.
Unfortunately a lot of "March" dates have come and gone without us being uplifted---though progressive change has been on going.
Time will tell.
Where there is life there is hope

Chris

[Selene]

Thanks for returning to this thread, QuantumO. Your further comments above are greatly appreciated.

What interests me about your clients and the others reported here is: What personal changes, if any, do/will they possibly experience in the coming months/timeframe? I’d be looking for significant and lasting changes in their individual personalities, outlook, emotions, etc that would indicate a meaningful change in their auras and chakra systems as a result of their perceptions of an “energy” (however described), something comparable to a full Kundalini awakening.

This would be shown by marked changes in their personal habits, interests, diet, jobs, relationships, health etc. (I’m not saying that a rapid Kundalini awakening is always experienced as a “positive” event by the individual, of course. They may also experience rapid purging/acceleration of illnesses, broken relationships, erratic behavior, mania or depression etc.) But the changes wrought by the experience of a higher energy – if real - will be marked and profound.

A Kundalini awakening is the only extant paradigm we have for defining an experience of human spiritual evolution, and is well-documented throughout history. But this happens on an individual level, and only to those who have already attained a measure of development and preparedness.

I am entirely willing to accept and respect the experience of your clients as individuals, and they may well benefit significantly from their realizations. I certainly hope so. Kundalini initiation can happen in a variety of ways; this could be one of them.

But the issues of timing (or time itself) that have been discussed, as well as the unprecedented nature of an energy-shift en masse remain unknown factors here.

Please do keep us informed here as to the outcomes for your clients and the others. It could be an important part of the puzzle.

Kindest regards,

Selene

[Kindred]

Since beginning to meditate (late 2011) the pressure associated with third eye 'activation' has become increasingly regular. At present, this pressure is almost continuous, and this has been particularly true since December. There is rarely a moment that I'm not aware of it, and it seems to 'pulse', with moments where I have to stop what I'm doing so as to let the energies flow through... even as I write this. While I've not been able to re-experience what happened on May 7, 2012 ( http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42794-The-Great-Cycle-and-Cosmic-Events-2012-by-Pane-Andov&p=486336&viewfull=1#post486336 ), I've been coming awfully 'close' of late.

I do feel that the energies are 'ramping up' to this 'happening'. While some may nay-say such beliefs and experiences, they would do well to understand that the 'logical mind' tends to be quite constrained as to what it accepts as possible. The All-That-Is has NO such 'limitations', for to exclude ANY possibility, is tantamount to excluding ALL possibility. The 'logical' / 'scientific' human mind/body is limited to the five senses, and generally dismisses the intuitive aspects of consciousness. But, if you read any of the "Seth" series, you will find that he suggests that it is the Intuitive portion of one's Consciousness that holds the Greatest power in the Greater Reality, of which our current Reality is but an extremely limited arena for the purpose of developing and growing one's Spirit and Consciousness. To expand one's understanding of whats Possible, limitations must be renounced wholly and without prejudice. I will suggest Embracing All Probabilities with Love, for the Fullest Experience, both in This Life, and in All Others.

In terms of the OP, I too feel that these next few weeks will be an astounding affirmation of the Electric Universe, as well as being the Turning Point for a large portion of humanity. However, I suspect that this 'point' will not be directly on the 21st... I will suggest checking out the planetary alignments that will be occurring over the next few weeks. http://www.theplanetstoday.com/geocentric_orrery.html

In Unity Peace and LOVE... For LOVE is ALL THERE IS

[Quantum Odyssey]

Since beginning to meditate (late 2011) the pressure associated with third eye 'activation' has become increasingly regular. At present, this pressure is almost continuous, and this has been particularly true since December. There is rarely a moment that I'm not aware of it, and it seems to 'pulse', with moments where I have to stop what I'm doing so as to let the energies flow through... even as I write this. While I've not been able to re-experience what happened on May 7, 2012 ( http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42794-The-Great-Cycle-and-Cosmic-Events-2012-by-Pane-Andov&p=486336&viewfull=1#post486336 ), I've been coming awfully 'close' of late.

I do feel that the energies are 'ramping up' to this 'happening'. While some may nay-say such beliefs and experiences, they would do well to understand that the 'logical mind' tends to be quite constrained as to what it accepts as possible. The All-That-Is has NO such 'limitations', for to exclude ANY possibility, is tantamount to excluding ALL possibility. The 'logical' / 'scientific' human mind/body is limited to the five senses, and generally dismisses the intuitive aspects of consciousness. But, if you read any of the "Seth" series, you will find that he suggests that it is the Intuitive portion of one's Consciousness that holds the Greatest power in the Greater Reality, of which our current Reality is but an extremely limited arena for the purpose of developing and growing one's Spirit and Consciousness. To expand one's understanding of whats Possible, limitations must be renounced wholly and without prejudice. I will suggest Embracing All Probabilities with Love, for the Fullest Experience, both in This Life, and in All Others.

In terms of the OP, I too feel that these next few weeks will be an astounding affirmation of the Electric Universe, as well as being the Turning Point for a large portion of humanity. However, I suspect that this 'point' will not be directly on the 21st... I will suggest checking out the planetary alignments that will be occurring over the next few weeks. http://www.theplanetstoday.com/geocentric_orrery.html

In Unity Peace and LOVE... For LOVE is ALL THERE IS

I have had a variety of anomalies manifest intuitively and physically. Specifically the electrical energy field around me.
I have not been able to wear watches over the last few years because the battery will die within hours. Replaced with several new batteries only to get the same result.
I had four computer ac adapters melt down even though I lived in three different residences. So it could not be attributed to power surges or whatever in all three homes.

Five year warranty light bulbs blow when I flip the switch and light bulbs pop and blow up when I walk by them.

Anything that is a touch screen device has really been bizarre over the last year. The screen will activate when my finger is still inches away. This happens on my .android, ipad and atm's in a regular basis. Computer screen will start flashing and programs malfunctioning in erratic ways. I'll be writing a sentence and with my fingers poised in the air the delete function starts to rapidly erase entire sentences as I'm trying to hit every button to make it stop.
And the total opposite..I can touch a screen five or six times with no activation. It makes me crazy!

These are all things that have rapidly increased in my life over the last year and more so everyday. I am not doing anything out of the ordinary in order to create this...it's just happening.


Intuitively my dreams have been off the chart precog. I had precog of the three tornadoes..two in the south one in the east. I had multiple dreams of the ocean overflowing into residential neighborhoods and rivers of water going between the home several months before Sandy hit east coast. Dreams stopped after Sandy hit.

Both my daughter and myself would experience a rapid tumbling sensation as we were trying to go to sleep. Like when you are under a wave of water that is tumbling towards the shore. My daughter also had dreams of tsunami coming and trying to warn people on the shore. This happend for two months before Fukishima. After that it stopped.
I don't have cable and therefore don't watch the news nor read newspapers etc. so my subconscious is not constantly filled with images and weather warnings of global warming disasters etc.

My co-workers are always open mouthed when I tell them my dreams and give them warnings I received in the dreams of subjects they have shared with no one. They then show me pictures and emails they have confirming what I saw in my dream.

[Youniverse]

Since beginning to meditate (late 2011) the pressure associated with third eye 'activation' has become increasingly regular. At present, this pressure is almost continuous, and this has been particularly true since December. There is rarely a moment that I'm not aware of it, and it seems to 'pulse', with moments where I have to stop what I'm doing so as to let the energies flow through... even as I write this. While I've not been able to re-experience what happened on May 7, 2012 ( http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42794-The-Great-Cycle-and-Cosmic-Events-2012-by-Pane-Andov&p=486336&viewfull=1#post486336 ), I've been coming awfully 'close' of late.

I do feel that the energies are 'ramping up' to this 'happening'. While some may nay-say such beliefs and experiences, they would do well to understand that the 'logical mind' tends to be quite constrained as to what it accepts as possible. The All-That-Is has NO such 'limitations', for to exclude ANY possibility, is tantamount to excluding ALL possibility. The 'logical' / 'scientific' human mind/body is limited to the five senses, and generally dismisses the intuitive aspects of consciousness. But, if you read any of the "Seth" series, you will find that he suggests that it is the Intuitive portion of one's Consciousness that holds the Greatest power in the Greater Reality, of which our current Reality is but an extremely limited arena for the purpose of developing and growing one's Spirit and Consciousness. To expand one's understanding of whats Possible, limitations must be renounced wholly and without prejudice. I will suggest Embracing All Probabilities with Love, for the Fullest Experience, both in This Life, and in All Others.

In terms of the OP, I too feel that these next few weeks will be an astounding affirmation of the Electric Universe, as well as being the Turning Point for a large portion of humanity. However, I suspect that this 'point' will not be directly on the 21st... I will suggest checking out the planetary alignments that will be occurring over the next few weeks. http://www.theplanetstoday.com/geocentric_orrery.html

In Unity Peace and LOVE... For LOVE is ALL THERE IS

Yes I agree and this is often the problem with many topics on Avalon. You get those that tend to get too caught up in the mind and rationalizations, but that is what's called the garden path. I wholeheartedly agree that we need to leave these frames of reference behind in order to liberate the self in a profound way. The human brain is really designed to help us navigate through the physical world and survive. It is not designed to grasp, with any significance, the metaphysical world. In another thread entitled "The Secret of the Soul", the importance of being like a little child again, has been strongly suggested. Since I've done my share of intellectualizing spiritual issues, I took that suggestion to heart and am working on dropping what I think I know about any of this, emptying my cup so to speak. For a time I tried to think my way to a better life, with rather limited results, surprise surprise. No more though. I will LOVE my way to a more enjoyable life.

[onawah]

I remind myself every so often that there are reportedly (and I don't doubt it for a moment) highly technologically developed ET civilizations who have not evolved spiritually, and so have not reached the kind of balance and harmony that our own world so sorely needs.
That is not the kind of example we need to follow at this time in our history, imho
What we need more is to return more to our roots and value our connection with Gaia.
Remembering this helps me to stop trying to think my way through life, and to rely more on my heart, which always brings about the most interesting events and relationships anyway, whereas those that come about as a result of being too much in my head are generally frustrating and unbalanced.
I am fascinated and attracted to brilliant people, and there's certainly nothing wrong with being brilliant, but I can't think myself into being more brilliant.
I can, however, make myself a happier, more giving and balanced individual by remembering the value of the heartspace, and evolve naturally from there, without trying too hard to be something I am not (yet) and throwing myself out of whack by doing so.
It's a gift to allow oneself to be simple, and there is a freedom and purity in that that allows one to bypass much suffering as one evolves.
While skeptics assume that one cannot be both simple and wise, they mistake simplicity for naivety, and they are not the same.
The heart can intuit truth from fiction more accurately than the intellect, though it may not be possible to say how one arrived at the right conclusion.
This will always befuddle those who think with the head and not the heart, but the heart knows without needing proof.
Animals have that ability too, and it is why we also need to reconnect with them, as the nearest and dearest of All Our Relations.

[gripreaper]

A "Kundalini" experience, as I would define it, is the ability to generate, magnify, focus, and emanate energy into the Grand Sophia, and attract extraordinary outcomes, without the adverse polarizations of a chakra system which has major blocks in it.

We all do this to a certain degree every day, and from my point of view, this is life. We sit down to eat food, sleep, and exercise to generate energy. We choose how we wish to spend our energy as well, and how much we are willing to expend on certain outcomes. We share and exchange energy with others all the time, are bouncing energy from others off our field, and are emanating energy from our fields as well.

So, from my point of view, we are speaking of degrees, when measuring the amounts of energy one is able to be righteous with. Each of us experiences energetic amalgamation individually. Yes, I would say there are cosmological energetic influences which have the potential to influence one's field, provided they are at a resonant tone with this energy, but I do not believe there is any massive global surge of cosmic energy based on a certain time in evolution which will "lift all boats" to a higher dimensional consciousness. One has to do the work (if you want to call it that, although "work" is a poor choice of words) themselves.

So, descriptors such as kundalini, chi, prana, life force, sexual energy, etc. are synonymous with energy. How much, how joyful or painful, is the bottom line, and this is individual.

[PathWalker]

This is all so personal.
zOqlkZsnAyc



I watched this video with awe and gratitude.
I am fully connected to the message delivered.
I trust my intuition and spiritual guides.

She said some very powerful message about self empowerment and spiritual responsibility. I understand not all are ready and willing to accept the requirements.

I am ready. If you are reading this with positive attitude you are ready as well.

Yesterday with my spiritual team gathering, I felt strong feelings of anticipation and sorrow, I tried to explain these as farewell sadness.

Joy and happiness.
PathWalker

[Quantum Odyssey]

Here are some examples from sessions that all have a common theme/message from around the world that clients are receiving in their sessions.

QHH practitioner Lorna shares her findings ( http://integral-synthesis.webs.com/) that have a repetitive theme throughout many of her sessions:


There seems to be two things taking place. One is with the geological structure of the earth (1) and the other is something taking place within the consciousness of people. (2) Also something happening in April- May, and something about when the bees come back (?) being a sign. Everyone who has been told something about this topic from their SC was pretty much told that this is what they are here for. There is more than I have mentioned below, but really some sessions need to be transcribed as there is so much more details.... 'Creation is sucking in to be breathed back out' and it is a 'feminine energy that encompasses everything'.
.

1. Earth
Something comes from above and cleaves the earth into pieces.
Something shattering the surface
Looking up at the sky and running
Water running everywhere and coastlines changing
Tsunami and high wall of water
Heard a big sound coming from within the earth.
Color spectrum is changing

2. Consciousness/ people = primarily to let go of beliefs
People are connecting with their soul 'groups' / guides/ higher selves/ teachers = much more frequently
Accessing, experiencing and 'knowing' that they are energy and light
Being told 'you are us' and being shown that they are 'equal' with those 'beings' of light
Being told why they are here on earth and how they have planned this and it's the 'right time' now to be aware of this
One woman was shown 2 children that have been waiting until after 2012/13 to come into life here and they have never been human before......they are coming in to 'change the world'.
Unified consciousness is coming in which is a '360 vision' and 'sensory perception'


Another QHH practitioner Mathew reports:

"I have asked about the solar storm now with about 8 or 10 of my clients and the general consensus is that it will happen around March 20 to March 22 or April 2013 (3 clients). I did have one client who said June 2013. I am not confident about making predictions of dates here but my general feeling based on the how the SC talks about it is that it will happen in 2013 and probably sooner than later. It definitely sounds like it will happen but they indicate that timing is somewhat random and the power grid outages will be based on how far along we are in shift of our consciousness. They also indicated in another session that only lower vibration areas will be affected. Some or all of our electrical devices could be affected."

You can read more details at: http://www.matthewmarnitz.com/blog/2013/03/09/qhht-session-impending-solar-storm-event-will-help-awaken-humanity/

These findings corroborate my findings and personal dreams:

Sky shattering into puzzle pieces. This was my dream and several clients were reporting this in their sessions.

Excerpt from my book regarding this message/visions we have received:
(Read complete excerpt on http://quantumodyssey.squarespace.com/blog/

M: …about the dream I had is where I saw the day sky shatter apart and became jigsaw puzzle pieces of blue sky with white clouds suspended and floating about on a night sky with stars. The birds were flying into and out of these day sky pieces to the night sky. I knew as I watched this that it wasn't catastrophic because the birds were just going with the flow and immediately adapting unharmed and unphased by it.

E: Yes, there is going to be a restructuring of your Earth. However it is not to be feared. This Earth that you now call home is not operating as it was intended to operate. So for you it would seem that in actuality the puzzle is being broken a part but in actuality the puzzle is being put back together. The pieces are not in the correct order at this present time. And there is a time coming when the pieces will be put back together in the right order.

This is a prophetic dream that you have had. This is prophecy. This is your awareness connecting to the one mind. This is you being what we might call being tapped in. This is so you will not be afraid.


The overall messages regarding these Earth changes are that the changes are not intended to harm humanity...it is not the end of the world. It is an attempt to return the Earth to the state for which it was originally intended. It is to free humanity from slavery.

I will share more at another time regarding that this restructuring and power disruption is intended to force the worlds governments hand in releasing information and knowledge they have regarding a free energy source for all the power of the planet and this knowledge will in turn release humanity from the slavery it has been subjected to regarding the control and the domination of energy.

The Shift for humanity at this time is absolutely about operating from a heart centered energy. Our heads lie to us all the time but our bodies never do. As another member here said about knowing the truth with our hearts vs our heads.

We have been purposely trained and indoctrinated by TPTB to rely on our intellect only..(the weakest and most underdeveloped sense within our evolutionary abilites) ignore intuition and gut instinct. This is directly intended to separate us from Source and ALL knowing and to believe only what we've been taught or should I say force fed by the uneducational system and media.

This is another reason why NO FEAR is the most consistent message received and related throughout QHH sessions and other light workers work.

We relinquish our personal power when we are operating out of fear. We are manipulated out of fear. When we are in fear we are more easily rounded up like a herd of animals.
It takes two sides to play a game. The game is control and domination of the masses.Fear makes you an opponate albeit a weak one.
If we stop operating from FEAR....game over.

[Neal]

Hello Quantum Odyssey,

Thank you for providing the information you received through your QHHT clients. Despite people questioning the message and the messenger in this thread, I feel that it is important to have different points of view and to have an open mind as anything is possible. I have read almost all of Dolores' books and will take her online class to study the QHHT method, so I am not unfamiliar with the information you can receive when doing this technique. As you said, if this information does not resonate with anybody here at Project Avalon, it was not meant for them. And that's okay!

It sounds as though you are doing what you are supposed to be doing and you seem to thoroughly enjoy it. Keep up the great work and thank you again for outlining your findings.

[onawah]

Dolores Cannon will be at the upcoming UFO Conference here in my town, Eureka Springs, April 12-14, and I found out recently that her publishing company, Ozark Mountain Publishing, are the new facilitators for the Conference.
I don't know if that will be ongoing, but if so, I imagine it will give a different flavor to the event, which may be be interesting.
For more about the event, see
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56866-Annual-UFO-Conference-in-Eureka-Springs-AR.&p=648682#post648682

I don't subscribe to a lot of her ideas, but I think it's worthy of notice when many people under hypnosis give the same information, and their descriptions of past lives, etc. are interesting.
I think the more that we explore our Selves as Sovereign Beings, the more freedom we will discover we have in this material world.

[Delight]

This is all so personal.
zOqlkZsnAyc



I watched this video with awe and gratitude.
I am fully connected to the message delivered.
I trust my intuition and spiritual guides.

She said some very powerful message about self empowerment and spiritual responsibility. I understand not all are ready and willing to accept the requirements.

I am ready. If you are reading this with positive attitude you are ready as well.

Yesterday with my spiritual team gathering, I felt strong feelings of anticipation and sorrow, I tried to explain these as farewell sadness.

Joy and happiness.
PathWalker

I have been in the most excruiating place I have ever allowed. It has to do with my decision to allow that there is guidance, there is whole connection to God (as I understand God). This is the very first time in my life that I have decided to ignore my programs of suspicion. I even have decided that I have a Gaurdian angel who is an energetic aspect of myself and that I can communicate and feel comforted. I feel S/He (what to call an Angel) cannot approach me. I have to be the kind of person to allow that angel. I quit smoking as an action symbolic of releasing impurities of energy. This seems to be an intuition. I never was worried about smoking at all.

I know I prefer a relationship to the fine etheral energy that does not like smoke. This is amazing because it is like I heard something and agreed. And there are other things i am giving up by synchronicity that must be part of my plan to disengage from the programming.

I feel no qualms about sounding schmaltzy or looking crazy by my decisions.
I am willing to be guided and be looking foolish. So far as I know this is a message of empowerment and yet, I have to trust this as a message and DO SOMETHING to make it real. Then I will receive more as I demonstrate willingness....

This is the kind of "evidence" to me that I am now in a different relationship to the programming I used to be entangled in. No matter how stressful the appearance of the physical conditions, they cannot control me or determine my response. I am curiously calm and steady. Love IS taking care of everything because now I agree. Maggie

[PathWalker]

This is all so personal.
zOqlkZsnAyc



I watched this video with awe and gratitude.
I am fully connected to the message delivered.
I trust my intuition and spiritual guides.

She said some very powerful message about self empowerment and spiritual responsibility. I understand not all are ready and willing to accept the requirements.

I am ready. If you are reading this with positive attitude you are ready as well.

Yesterday with my spiritual team gathering, I felt strong feelings of anticipation and sorrow, I tried to explain these as farewell sadness.

Joy and happiness.
PathWalker

I have been in the most excruiating place I have ever allowed. It has to do with my decision to allow that there is guidance, there is whole connection to God (as I understand God). This is the very first time in my life that I have decided to ignore my programs of suspicion. I even have decided that I have a Gaurdian angel who is an energetic aspect of myself and that I can communicate and feel comforted. I feel S/He (what to call an Angel) cannot approach me. I have to be the kind of person to allow that angel. I quit smoking as an action symbolic of releasing impurities of energy. This seems to be an intuition. I never was worried about smoking at all.

I know I prefer a relationship to the fine etheral energy that does not like smoke. This is amazing because it is like I heard something and agreed. And there are other things i am giving up by synchronicity that must be part of my plan to disengage from the programming.

I feel no qualms about sounding schmaltzy or looking crazy by my decisions.
I am willing to be guided and be looking foolish. So far as I know this is a message of empowerment and yet, I have to trust this as a message and DO SOMETHING to make it real. Then I will receive more as I demonstrate willingness....

This is the kind of "evidence" to me that I am now in a different relationship to the programming I used to be entangled in. No matter how stressful the appearance of the physical conditions, they cannot control me or determine my response. I am curiously calm and steady. Love IS taking care of everything because now I agree. Maggie

Thank you for sharing your path. Which is not easy.
The struggle you describe with old programing is a struggle in your perception (programing) about how internal change take place. I was and am in this perception for too long.
My advise to myself and you is to allow grace and gratitude into my/our change. Once a spiritual teacher told me, do not push the river, flow with it.
My personal perception on life is always about struggle and effort. While others in my life flow/float and harvest the goodies of life.

Yet since I started practicing gratitude and allow/accept what ever need to be. I am more in the flow. And yes there is more abundance with it.
Hope you got the message, I am struggling with English as well :o

[yuhui]

He sees America getting drawn into a war or military activity against Iran, which in turn will cause China to coax North Korea to start a confrontation, while the US is vulnerable.

The image of North Korea on Chinese mainstream media has been like lunatic for a very long time.
It would look very stupid for China to get into any kind of war with North Korea.
But in the game of politics, everything is staged. Who knows whats the next drama?

[gripreaper]

Thanks for returning to this thread, QuantumO. Your further comments above are greatly appreciated.

What interests me about your clients and the others reported here is: What personal changes, if any, do/will they possibly experience in the coming months/timeframe? I’d be looking for significant and lasting changes in their individual personalities, outlook, emotions, etc that would indicate a meaningful change in their auras and chakra systems as a result of their perceptions of an “energy” (however described), something comparable to a full Kundalini awakening.

This would be shown by marked changes in their personal habits, interests, diet, jobs, relationships, health etc. (I’m not saying that a rapid Kundalini awakening is always experienced as a “positive” event by the individual, of course. They may also experience rapid purging/acceleration of illnesses, broken relationships, erratic behavior, mania or depression etc.) But the changes wrought by the experience of a higher energy – if real - will be marked and profound.

A Kundalini awakening is the only extant paradigm we have for defining an experience of human spiritual evolution, and is well-documented throughout history. But this happens on an individual level, and only to those who have already attained a measure of development and preparedness.

Selene

I would like it if this thread headed in this direction too, to quantify the ultimate deep changes and the resultant increase in unified energy as a result, and the most proficient protocols to facilitate such a Kundalini rising and chakra clearing and balancing, in as short and quick a way as possible. This is where I want to go in my personal life and experience, and I see this as the only viable path (for myself)

[PathWalker]

Thanks for returning to this thread, QuantumO. Your further comments above are greatly appreciated.

What interests me about your clients and the others reported here is: What personal changes, if any, do/will they possibly experience in the coming months/timeframe? I’d be looking for significant and lasting changes in their individual personalities, outlook, emotions, etc that would indicate a meaningful change in their auras and chakra systems as a result of their perceptions of an “energy” (however described), something comparable to a full Kundalini awakening.

This would be shown by marked changes in their personal habits, interests, diet, jobs, relationships, health etc. (I’m not saying that a rapid Kundalini awakening is always experienced as a “positive” event by the individual, of course. They may also experience rapid purging/acceleration of illnesses, broken relationships, erratic behavior, mania or depression etc.) But the changes wrought by the experience of a higher energy – if real - will be marked and profound.

A Kundalini awakening is the only extant paradigm we have for defining an experience of human spiritual evolution, and is well-documented throughout history. But this happens on an individual level, and only to those who have already attained a measure of development and preparedness.

Selene

I would like it if this thread headed in this direction too, to quantify the ultimate deep changes and the resultant increase in unified energy as a result, and the most proficient protocols to facilitate such a Kundalini rising and chakra clearing and balancing, in as short and quick a way as possible. This is where I want to go in my personal life and experience, and I see this as the only viable path (for myself)


Thank you I vote for this.
The first condition is for us the humans to relinquish our victim/aggressor drama.
This condition requires spiritual responsibility.
This responsibility is extremely difficult.

BTW a by product of the spiritual responsibility, is total and complete forgiveness to the self and others. The forgiveness is the Karma healer, and #1 pain relief.

[Wind]

Is anyone here familiar with Don Alejandro?
http://theshamanictimes.com/mayan-indigenous-prophecies-2012.html

Maybe the timelines have once again changed or then the changes just weren't visible to us. Maybe just some changes in the planetary energies? I can feel it.

[gandra99]

I can feel it.. too ;)

[Ultima Thule]

March 2013 over, no big change in the magnitude or way expressed in the first post. I mean not to be ha-haaing(Nelson/simpsons), but would like to bring up the question whether the expecting of a certain date actually prevents one from producing a significant change in oneself? I mean no disrespect to the previous posters, but:"something perhaps happened, we just didn't see it" is perhaps opening a door to be fooled.
Facts:
- march 2013 was referred to(off course it could be argued that time is fluidlike and subject to changes, so I am a bit blunt here for the sake of argument)
- something unmistakeable was anticipated

More facts:
- nothing special happened, unless North Korean rhetoric is to be considered such

Possible conclusions:
- message was wrong either by mistake or manipulation - for example by tptb who I suppose may have the cabability to "transmit" false channelings, dreams and even memories
- timeline has changed, but what exactly does that mean? How can that be proved? It is not unlike me saying I won in the lottery, but the timeline just changed and it didn't manifest. Please don't bother to teach me a lesson about nature of time, timelines or the sort, I am well aware of the concepts. I just feel that there is merit in questioning the way we in general view things, giving loads of room to be fooled.

So: no mean to bust anyones balls, but in the sake of discernment, This shouldn't be just let go.

UT

[Quantum Odyssey]

Hi Everyone!

I am really enjoying reading everyone's insights and experiences here and elsewhere as we experience The Shift and The Awakening.

One thing that I think is so important to point out and this "event" of awakening is just that. It is an AWAKENING that takes place WITHIN not outside of ourselves!

For those I read here and many other sites..."I'll believe when I SEE it...it's probably never going to happen..,..just more new age nonsense..."etc.

The change/The Awakening/The Shift is taking place INSIDE of us. While it may come with a flash of blue light or what have you, we need to go within ourselves mentally, physically and spiritually to sense this, to realize this...to AWAKEN. It is not incumbent on everyone around you to wake you or anybody else up.

Everyone awakens in their own way and own time whether it be from ones nightly slumber or the perpetual slumber in our waking moments.

That's why received information in QHH sessions and other modalities abounds with messages of...get in your body..meditate..purify your diet..drink more water, as water conducts electricity.

This is so we can be aware and tune into a new reality versus waiting to be told there is a new one.

We need to stop looking for outside events/groups/gurus/mainstream media in order to witness evolution of the spirit. The excerpt from my research sessions is shared with the intent of providing introspection ones self and how they might be experiencing this time frame mentally, physically, spiritually. So many people are experiencing physical anomalies in very large numbers. I honestly do not believe this can be attributed to a mass Kundalini rising.

Information provided by this method or any other iis not to intend to mark the calendar, sit back and wait for that date and expect the world and everyone around you to be suddenly transformed.

As each one of us realizes our own evolution we then pass it on through our actions of awareness and help awaken those still in slumber or fear.

It's been wonderful receiving email from people all over the world as my blog/excerpt was shared on over 400 blogs world wide. People are reporting seeing blue light in their meditations, during healing work over their clients and in the room, while diving in remote areas seeing this layer of blue light over the water, many many people reporting feeling an extreme radiant warmth over their face and head while the body remains cool at all times of day and night, continuous chills going down the spine, feelings of absolute bliss and grace out of the blue (no pun intended ;))..and so much more.
Another interesting thing others and myself have been experiencing is activating touch based devices before making contact! ATMs, cell phones, iPads are activated before physically touching the screens.

I can feel a fine electrical current through out my body and now my energy field is a few inches off my physical body. I have been activating devices from as far away as four inches without intending to do so!

The Shift and The Awakening is a process each of us experiences on our own. The excerpt even states that not everyone will be aware of this light energy of consciousness at the same time...its not the flip of a light switch DING sudden enlightenment without the work, awareness and introspection and allowing yourself to recognize something different.

It is only through tuning into ones self that we will see an evolutionary leap of consciousness take place.

Blessings to all!