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Maia Gabrial
14th March 2013, 17:13
I just finished watching "Propaganda/Full English Version" which was posted on James Horak's blog: http://www.emvsinfo.blogspot.com which is a great source of info imo.... It really is worth giving your attention to. I pretty much agree to what was presented in this video, but I have to warn you that there are some horrible things in it.

Before seeing this, I had dwindling doubts about whether humanity is worth saving. The more I discover, the uglier the picture gets. NOW...idk....

HOW does it happen that the majority of us are so thoroughly duped? Maybe I should just give up worrying....

6NMr2VrhmFI

DNA
14th March 2013, 17:28
I wouldn't despair Maia G, it's only a grander scale than it used to be. We have always had some form of propaganda, wether it be religion, nationalism, racism or vegtarianism.

That last one shouldn't count I suppose. :p

RMorgan
14th March 2013, 17:41
Hey mate,

Yeah...My prospective for mankindīs future isnīt pretty as well.

Anyway, ultimately, weīre the ones who decide if weīre worth saving or not.

Only good things are worth saving, bad things go to the dump.

As a race, are we any good? Itīs sad to say this, but I donīt think we are.

We arenīt good for the planet; We arenīt good for other animals; We arenīt good even to ourselves.

So, if we want to be saved, mostly saved from ourselves, weīd better start to be good asap before itīs too late.

Honestly, I think someone made a mistake and gave us too much intelligence, much more than we could safely handle.

Giving that much intelligence to us, hairless monkeys, is just the same as giving a loaded AK-47 to a seven years old kid; Very probably the kid would kill himself and a bunch of other persons much longer before he could grow wise and responsible enough to learn to use such potentially deadly tool.

Thatīs why I think someone from somewhere else did some genetic experiments which the result was the homo sapiens.

Nature is wise; Evolution would never make such mistake by itself. Thereīs no other animal on Earth with such a devastating potential.

Anyway, how do you know youīre being manipulated? Start questioning your actions, convictions, beliefs and behaviors; Ask yourself where did they come from? If you donīt know the answers, itīs because they arenīt really yours.

Donīt worry if you donīt have such answers; If you conclude that youīre not actually really you. We all have been bombarded with so much brainwashing and propaganda that just a few of us actually have the privilege to truly know their true selves.

Raf.

Maia Gabrial
14th March 2013, 18:21
I'm at a low point right now. I just came off a 4 day fast and things of this world are hitting me harder than usual. I really love people and wish the best for them even though I know not everyone is on the same level or even on the same page. My only hope right now is that there are more good people than bad so that we can tip the scales to the good side. See, I still believe that Mother Earth will birth a new race of humanity. I know, I'm such a naive optimist, but I can't let that one go. I have this inner feeling that my destiny is to be part of that new race. But I grieve for the ones who won't become this because they're so caught up in all the nonsense they've been intentionally trapped into.... This video just seemed to slam it home for me.

Forevernyt
14th March 2013, 19:55
You know, even though that show as about propaganda, the show itself is propaganda.

If the human race as a whole, were to take all of the energy spent on acquiring profit, controlling other people, land grabbing, stealing, etc and used it to better the world, the people in it and our experiences while here, we truly would have a heaven on Earth. Bunch of idiots.

Douglass
15th March 2013, 01:59
Of coarse humanity is worth saving Maia :)

Dont let our challenges dampen your faith. Although there are many, to me it is important to accept these challenges as opportunities to stand up to our fears and the darkness of ignorance.
We are extremely powerful beings, capable of consciously witnessing evolution happen within us and without us. Our divine gift of free will is the perfect tool to change our paths.

We all have low points Maia but I think I am correct to say that all of us here at Avalon care about each other and want to help this world.
So let this bolster your resolve, maybe this forum is the perfect example of a way we humans are evolving to your foreseen "new race of humanity".

Evil is arrogant and in your face always taunting and trying to belittle, But remember goodness is humble and sometimes unseen.

When the drums of evil and darkness are loud, only the seeker can hear the whisper of the divine urging us ever forward.
~LoVe~ to you Maia and our new hummanity.

Jamais arriere

Aurelius
15th March 2013, 02:30
I just finished watching "Propaganda/Full English Version" which was posted on James Horak's blog:
HOW does it happen that the majority of us are so thoroughly duped? Maybe I should just give up worrying....


IMHO .. get rid of the invention called money replace it with something better and watch things start to get better over time ... it is really this simple ... but not easy to do given how long we've been going down this road .. the transition to something better may not be smooth ...

Fractalius
15th March 2013, 02:55
To make decisions on what to throw out is difficult in some ways when the perception of what is treasure is a little distorted.

T Smith
15th March 2013, 03:05
I just finished watching "Propaganda/Full English Version" which was posted on James Horak's blog:
HOW does it happen that the majority of us are so thoroughly duped? Maybe I should just give up worrying....


IMHO .. get rid of the invention called money replace it with something better and watch things start to get better over time ... it is really this simple ... but not that easy to do ..

Money by itself isn't evil, imho. It is the shortage of money, which is a deliberate construct foisted upon us (perhaps by those who aren't even fully human if we are playing the blame game) and what that shortage does to us humans that is evil. The same dispersions and curses would cast upon oxygen if there were only a certain quantity of oxygen available in relation to a greater quantity needed to fuel the life in all our bodies. Soon we would cultivate and develop a society that died, cheated, and stole for a piece of the limited supply of available oxygen. Soon we would all be competing and killing each other for a resource necessary to our very survival. Sound familiar? Our own instincts, as animals of nature, are being waged against us. We must take responsibility for this, yes, but we are not inherently evil and we are certainly a worth saving, to use the words of the OP.

Humanity isn't the problem, per se. It is the paradigm through which we understand the world and our place in it that we need to shed, not our species!

Craig
15th March 2013, 03:23
I know where you are coming from, I see your shadows on the path I am following but also in the midst of this evil there is still pockets of good, pockets that weren't there centuries ago. Take for example RSPCA, or Deaf and Blind society and others like that, here is Aus there are things like camp quality, generations ago these wouldn't have existed and any disabled\disadvantaged would be left to die.

But it also seems we are becoming more evil than we were before, technology allows us to kill indiscriminately. Watch something about the deaths of 000's of innocents and then watch something about how a town rallies behind a disabled baby to ensure they get the care they deserve and tell me that isn't holistically confusing? I used to think that we could reboot the whole world but then there would be innocents that suffer.

Aurelius
15th March 2013, 03:45
I still think when looked at on a deeper level money as it currently works is the problem.

I often look to nature for solutions, it's been around for along time, and has an simple underlying rule-set that makes the whole thing work (balance / entropy etc.)

If one looks at money purely as a "medium" that is exchanged for good and services (ie. the medium could be popcorn, woodchips, gold .. whatever). There is nothing to balance what you do to acquire the "medium", ie. was it fair, balanced, socially / environmentally acceptable, and similarly when one uses the medium there's nothing to influence what you do with it.

I'll tell you now, if a better system existed, in-line with what I describe above, the wealthy of today that are putting the system out of balance would not exist.

Governments, the legal system and all the ism models (socialism, capitalism etc.) wont cut it imho. One will never achieve a better model by means of artificial control, enforcement, balances/checks etc.

The solution has to be simple and at its core have balance built in.

food for thought .. if i gave you technologies that allowed you to become autonomous (for energy, food production, transportation and health) .. would that reduce your dependency on the medium and allow for something better to come about?

We must also be careful when looking at the human race with distaste .. never confuse human behavior that has come about due to a system that was cooked-up and controlled by a few, with our race .. what we are capable of, and have never been allowed to truly achieve.

T Smith
15th March 2013, 05:01
Money by itself isn't evil, imho. It is the shortage of money, which is a deliberate construct foisted upon us

I still think when looked at on a deeper level money as it currently works is the problem.

I often look to nature for solutions, it's been around for along time, and has an simple underlying rule-set that makes the whole thing work (balance / entropy etc.)

If one looks at money purely as a "medium" that is exchanged for good and services (ie. the medium could be popcorn, woodchips, gold .. whatever). There is nothing to balance what you do to acquire the "medium", ie. was it fair, balanced, socially / environmentally acceptable, and similarly when one uses the medium there's nothing to influence what you do with it.

I'll tell you now, if a better system existed, in-line with what I describe above, the wealthy of today that are putting the system out of balance would not exist.

Governments, the legal system and all the ism models (socialism, capitalism etc.) wont cut it imho. One will never achieve a better model by means of artificial control, enforcement, balances/checks etc.

The solution has to be simple and at its core have balance built in.

food for thought .. if i gave you technologies that allowed you to become autonomous (for energy, food production, transportation and health) .. would that reduce your dependency on the medium and allow for something better to come about?

We must also be careful when looking at the human race with distaste .. never confuse human behavior that has come about due to a system that was cooked-up and controlled by a few, with our race .. what we are capable of, and have never been allowed to truly achieve.

There are instances of other animals in nature that use money. Parrots, for instance, will trade a nut for a more desirable snack. Interesting to me is the hand of a manipulating force (in this case humans) that plays a major role in the less-complex animal's use of money. The analogy is appropriate. Chimps also use money. They exchange meat for sex. This raises a question that speaks to your concern, i.e. was the meat they hunted (and which they not only consume but also use as means of exchange) acquired fairly and in balance with the natural order? If some controlling or manipulative force decrees something has value, i.e. by fiat, or determines the method by which money is created and/or acquired, then I concur with where you're going. But that's an entirely different thing. Gold, on the other hand, has been used as money for millennia by humans because it maintains intrinsic value to human beings roughly in balance with the effort necessary to extract it from the earth. All other things being equal, there is nothing to stop anyone from acquiring their own money if they are willing to dig for it, similar to the chimp who is willing to hunt for his. Of course I grant this is a highly hypothetical example. My point is, it's not the gold, per se, or its use as a medium of exchange that is evil; I would posit it is other forces manipulating the means of exchange and using it to engineer behavior and/or as a specific mechanism of control. These manipulating forces are what propagate the PTB and the elitists that are running the planet and destroying the planet's natural environment.

In a society where humans were fully free and not for want of energy, food production, transportation and health there would be little use or need for money. But it would probably still exist is some form. If you exchange something, by definition you do so because you need something in return, presumably to survive. However, needs would likely evolve rapidly in such a society where all base needs are met and as such the concept of money would likely survive. No longer would humans need a means to exchange for the provisions of survival or physical comfort, but for provisions of mental and spiritual comfort e.g. art, beauty, incense, etc. But money would not hold nearly so much mystique and sway. How much money does one need in this hypothetical world where every basic need for survival is already met? How susceptible would people really be to manipulation and greed? In short, the law of diminishing returns would play a major role in this economy. In this world money could no longer be employed as an asset of power and control by the few over the many.

I fully agree as well with your last point, and in fact you are exactly echoing what I am saying to others in this discussion who seem eager to condemn the inherent shortcomings of the human race instead of the planetary prison complex that shapes human behavior.

RMorgan
15th March 2013, 14:04
I fully agree as well with your last point, and in fact you are exactly echoing what I am saying to others in this discussion who seem eager to condemn the inherent shortcomings of the human race instead of the planetary prison complex that shapes human behavior.

Great post, my friend.

However, the above quoted part has been discussed for centuries by philosophers and sociologists and and itīs very controversial. Thereīs no common agreement on this.

Is the human being an evil animal by nature, or such evil behaviors were shaped by society? Nobody knows for sure.

Personally, I believe itīs a bit of both, in different degrees. This issue is not black and white.

If we examine human history, the only models of society that were balanced enough are the small scale indigenous tribal models, where society was small enough in a way that there was no social inequality.

Every other society which grew big enough became corrupt and was consumed by corruption and its consequences later on; Social inequality is inherent to big societies.

Humans share some genetic inheritance with primates; pretty bad ones. The worse is the capability of feeling envy, which is the mother of all kinds of corruption.

Such feeling may stay dormant in small societies, where thereīs very little social inequality discrepancies.

However, when a society starts to grow, naturally, there will be more and more individuals that are more capable than others; Such more capable and talented individuals will naturally be more socially successful than the vast majority of population, which will start asking hard questions like "Why he can do that and I canīt?", "Why does he have so much while I have so little?"..."Itīs not fair!".

Thatīs where the problem begins; The principle of fairness is absent in nature. Among all animals, weaker ones have less chance to succeed than stronger ones; and we are animals.

So, less capable people, moved by envy, will start moves to undermine the capable ones. The capable ones, moved my greed, will start moves to exploit the less capable people.

Sometimes, the less capable succeed in undermining the more capable and remove them from power. However, even among the less capable there are those who are more capable, which will immediately seize power. Then it will start all over again. (the Animal Farm book illustrated that pretty well.)

How many myths and actual historic events are centered around envy? Gods killing Gods by envy; father killing son by envy; brother killing brother by envy...it goes on and on...

How many attempts to create small experimental societies, like alternative communities, failed because of envy and itīs consequences?

Can we definitively overcome such feelings? I donīt think so. Can we learn to control them? Yes, we can and this will be crucial if we ever want to evolve into a better society.

So, the problem is not money. Far from it. The problem is social inequality and the feelings that emerge from it.

Even if we lived in a barter society, some people would produce better things and exchange them for other better things, while some other people will produce things with low intrinsic market value and others wont produce anything at all.

Nazism tried to change that, by subjugating the less capable. Socialism tried to do that, by subjugating the more capable. No need to say that both systems didnīt work.

Can we change social inequality? No. Like all animals, humans are not equally capable among each other.

As long as people behave as slaves to their own primitive emotions, independently of the model of society and commerce we may create, it will never end well.

Raf.

turiya
15th March 2013, 16:31
Why are we so susceptible to propaganda?
Its because the human being is presently incapable of discerning the truth for himself. Incapable of discerning what is false for himself.
Distraction is key. And this distraction begins the moment one pops out of the mother's womb.

Nobody comes into this world knowing what money is. What the value of money means. It is not intrinsic to one's nature, it comes by way of learned behavior. We are taught & programmed to believe that having things, acquiring things, accumulation of wealth, will bring about certain happiness... a future happiness.

This is the major dupe, the pit, that humanity falls for, and falls into. Because one will have to play out this propaganda for oneself to see if its true. One will have to wait for the happiness to come in a future moment of time, after the event of accumulation has been achieved. This is what ambition is - it is an overreaching desire. One needs to experience desires, needs to experience the attempts to fulfill desires, all kinds of desires, in order to know where a desiring mind will lead. It leads to frustration. It leads to a misery. Only after the experience of living life, attempting to fulfill desires, all kinds of desires, will one come to understand where desire will lead to. A mind full of desires to accumulate things, so that a future happiness can be achieved, will find that it only leads to frustration and misery.

Sooner or later, one gets a clue about this. It depends on the individual. Some may live their entire lives & may never get it. Look around and you will see people accumulating so much - their garages are full of all kinds of things that are meant to bring about happiness for themselves.

Envy comes because of comparison. One is envious of another because they believe another has something that they don't have. The belief that the other has achieved happiness from attaining something he doesn't have. One becomes envious, and wants it too.

The world is seen to be full of misery because everyone has fallen for this notion, has believed in the propaganda - the idea of having things will lead to some sort of future happiness. Its a lie. But please don't believe me, find it out for yourself.

This world provides the perfect backdrop that one needs to learn this lesson... the real treasure is not found in the outside world, it lies within. Then, there is nothing left to achieve. Understanding is a result.

turiya

donk
15th March 2013, 16:40
All communication is propoganda and manipulation...

things wouldn't be so "bad" if that fact (or at least the signaficance of that "fact") weren't hidden (in plain sight)...the only way to make it better is if everyone was aware of that and constantly asking themselves:

...to what end?

All we can control is ourselves, be mindful and always ask yourself:

aranuk
15th March 2013, 21:34
Why is the face of the psychologist blurred out doing the narative? This seems a bit strange. Other than that, the content is common knowledge to us here. No need I feel to comment on anything else.

Stan

T Smith
16th March 2013, 03:55
I fully agree as well with your last point, and in fact you are exactly echoing what I am saying to others in this discussion who seem eager to condemn the inherent shortcomings of the human race instead of the planetary prison complex that shapes human behavior.

Great post, my friend.

However, the above quoted part has been discussed for centuries by philosophers and sociologists and and itīs very controversial. Thereīs no common agreement on this.

Is the human being an evil animal by nature, or such evil behaviors were shaped by society? Nobody knows for sure.

Personally, I believe itīs a bit of both, in different degrees. This issue is not black and white.

If we examine human history, the only models of society that were balanced enough are the small scale indigenous tribal models, where society was small enough in a way that there was no social inequality.

Every other society which grew big enough became corrupt and was consumed by corruption and its consequences later on; Social inequality is inherent to big societies.

Humans share some genetic inheritance with primates; pretty bad ones. The worse is the capability of feeling envy, which is the mother of all kinds of corruption.

Such feeling may stay dormant in small societies, where thereīs very little social inequality discrepancies.

However, when a society starts to grow, naturally, there will be more and more individuals that are more capable than others; Such more capable and talented individuals will naturally be more socially successful than the vast majority of population, which will start asking hard questions like "Why he can do that and I canīt?", "Why does he have so much while I have so little?"..."Itīs not fair!".

Thatīs where the problem begins; The principle of fairness is absent in nature. Among all animals, weaker ones have less chance to succeed than stronger ones; and we are animals.

So, less capable people, moved by envy, will start moves to undermine the capable ones. The capable ones, moved my greed, will start moves to exploit the less capable people.

Sometimes, the less capable succeed in undermining the more capable and remove them from power. However, even among the less capable there are those who are more capable, which will immediately seize power. Then it will start all over again. (the Animal Farm book illustrated that pretty well.)

How many myths and actual historic events are centered around envy? Gods killing Gods by envy; father killing son by envy; brother killing brother by envy...it goes on and on...

How many attempts to create small experimental societies, like alternative communities, failed because of envy and itīs consequences?

Can we definitively overcome such feelings? I donīt think so. Can we learn to control them? Yes, we can and this will be crucial if we ever want to evolve into a better society.

So, the problem is not money. Far from it. The problem is social inequality and the feelings that emerge from it.

Even if we lived in a barter society, some people would produce better things and exchange them for other better things, while some other people will produce things with low intrinsic market value and others wont produce anything at all.

Nazism tried to change that, by subjugating the less capable. Socialism tried to do that, by subjugating the more capable. No need to say that both systems didnīt work.

Can we change social inequality? No. Like all animals, humans are not equally capable among each other.

As long as people behave as slaves to their own primitive emotions, independently of the model of society and commerce we may create, it will never end well.

Raf.

These are compelling points. But I wonder at what point the isolated tribes of human beings we continue to discover in the Amazon rain forests, etc., who have not been inculcated nor infected by the planetary prison complex, and who instead live in harmony with nature, and who are surprisingly impervious to issues of social inequality that plague our societies, and whose harmonious order demonstrates a concrete example of human beings in balance with natural resources, become statistically significant? These cultures of human beings are not inherently evil, nor are these cultures destroying the environment or a threat to the survival of themselves, nor their environment, nor the social order. What would happen if you take those same 200 human souls and multiply them by a factor of a thousand, ten thousand, one hundred thousand? In terms of the origin of envy, corruption, evil, and anti-social tendencies that we see ever prevalent in the human animal, these people have spoken to the nature vs. nurture debate in favor of nurture. But let's assume, for sake of argument, that we do increase their numbers by the aforementioned factor while at the same time shielding them from the outside planetary prison complex that has been foisted upon all of us. At some point would the natural order break down simply because of numbers? Would it break down when the numbers exceeded the natural resources required to sustain the harmony? Would it break down when the 1% of sociopathic population were great enough in number to band together to form a cabal and undermine the order of things? Or would these humans continue to find a way to maintain the harmony and balance they have enjoyed in their smaller numbers? These are the questions I ponder.

My hunch is the environment activates behavioral tendencies, perhaps even at the DNA level (which does make it an inherent human quality of sorts, and thus an issue of nature as well). Perhaps just as an intoxicating drug or a certain tonic elicits otherwise uncharacteristic behavior, so does the toxin of enslavement and control in which we are born elicit a certain noxious human trait that both propagates our enslavement and causes the rampant spread of a disease throughout our species that threatens our very survival and the ecosystem itself. This dynamic begs the question: is a rabid animal inherently evil and destructive to itself and other creatures and merely exhibiting its true nature? Or is it sick?

At present, we are a rabid species. It is part of who we are, yes. But I am leaning more and more to the conclusion that our present condition is one that has been foisted upon us and is not necessarily who we inherently are as a species.

syrwong
16th March 2013, 13:38
This is the best documentary on world reality I have ever seen, because I cannot think of another one that sends such profound awakening message. There just isn't another one because the propaganda machine will not produce its antithesis. You may think you know all of this, and there is nothing new. The reason is you have read a lot and you belong to this group of seekers, but the hypnotized masses will greatly benefit from spend 90 minutes watching it.

peterpam
16th March 2013, 14:52
Sadly, I share the same feelings about the human race as articulated by you, Rmorgan, stated so very well. I have decided to treat the rest of my life as a sort of creation. I am attempting to live out the rest of my life at the highest level I can conceive. A sort of painting . I will paint the best picture I can until the last ember burns out....whatever happens.....

Warlock
17th March 2013, 04:03
I'm not at home and I was only able to get the first two minutes, but this looks VERY interesting.

I can't wait to see the whole video.

Thank you for posting.

Warlock

dynamo
17th March 2013, 13:54
I just finished watching "Propaganda/Full English Version" which was posted on James Horak's blog: http://www.emvsinfo.blogspot.com which is a great source of info imo.... It really is worth giving your attention to. I pretty much agree to what was presented in this video, but I have to warn you that there are some horrible things in it.

Before seeing this, I had dwindling doubts about whether humanity is worth saving. The more I discover, the uglier the picture gets. NOW...idk....

HOW does it happen that the majority of us are so thoroughly duped? Maybe I should just give up worrying....



IMHumbleO...Indeed, give up worrying, but don't give up on humanity.
Worrying is unhealthy but positive thought, sharing and compassion may help to raise awareness and dissolve fear.
Fear is the major control mechanism of the globalist oligarchs followed closely by control of money, (and their ultimate goal) food and water.

Maia Gabrial
18th March 2013, 14:43
IMHO .. get rid of the invention called money replace it with something better and watch things start to get better over time ... it is really this simple ... but not easy to do given how long we've been going down this road .. the transition to something better may not be smooth ...

Exactly, Aurelius! Money is the control over people and they don't even know it. How many people think their worth is tied to money and possessions? I would say it's in the majority. Sad. I'm just waiting for people to start realizing that they're more than they've been told....