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cloud9
23rd March 2013, 23:15
Hi everybody,
For your consideration I'm posting this National Geographic documentary which I think it has the most logical and common sense theory about the construction of the Big Pyramid so far.

The video was uploaded on October 24/2011 at least on this channel, no idea when it was aired but I find it interesting that I had not heard anything about this before. I don't know if this information has been already posted but I haven't seen it on the forum.

SORRY.... NO ETs INVOLVED HERE. :cool:

Please take a look and post your comments.

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Wind
23rd March 2013, 23:36
I can't see it here.

merkabagirll
23rd March 2013, 23:39
Hmmm ...yes it's locked here too.

DevilPigeon
23rd March 2013, 23:46
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Doesn't work here either...

witchy1
24th March 2013, 00:20
me too - not sure what it contains however apart from some egyptologists, there is IMHO a moiuntain of evidence that not only egyptians but many other old cultures knew how to fabricate stone. This has recently been "reinvented" called geopolymeric agglomeration of inorganic matter. The egypt stones are made from Limestone with Kaloin plus lime and natron apparently. MIT support the Chemist Professor Davidovits and the creating stone evidence.

I cant find the article, however Professor Davidovits stated that it took something like 10 men 2 days to create 2x4 tonne blocks or something similar. They poured it into a mold and let it set.

Seems legit :noidea:

http://www.relevant-television.com/arikat/davidovits.htm
http://www.bcrc.com.au/services/Geopolymers.aspx
http://www.geopolymer.org/
These are the research papers: http://www.geopolymer.org/library/papers-discussing-davidovits-pyramid-theory
Technical Papers: Geopolymer Science and Technics (http://www.geopolymer.org/category/library/technical-papers/).
Archaeological Papers: Geopolymer science applied to archaeology (http://www.geopolymer.org/category/library/archaeological-papers/)

http://www.bosnian-pyramid.org/journal/2012/9/9/prehistoric-amulet-shows-evidence-of-stone-fabrication-in-th.html

Tons of informaiton on the net for you to check out

cloud9
24th March 2013, 02:01
I really don't understand how the links don't work as I can see the video from the forum page. In case it doesn't work again please look for the title of the video: The Great Pyramid Mystery Solved - National Geographic Documentary

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cloud9
24th March 2013, 02:07
This is another documentary about the same french architect author of the the theory

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Ol' Roy
24th March 2013, 02:36
Interesing Witchy!

The Romans invented concrtete, hey?

Could have been one of those unified mind things, where they were thinking at the same level, at the same time! We still do it to this day. An inventor will come up with something. Next thing you know, every one has it. Excluding some plagurism. Unified mind theory! Naw! lol

Paul
24th March 2013, 03:14
For your consideration I'm posting this National Geographic documentary which I think it has the most logical and common sense theory about the construction of the Big Pyramid so far.
This show rejects an external straight ramp, an external spiraling ramp around the outside, and cranes.

It then determines that the great pyramid was built using an internal spiraling ramp, now hidden perhaps ten feet inside the outer surface.

Here's the blurb from the Youtube page:





How were the blocks raised to the top of the 489 ft Great Pyramid? An architect develops a theory about a snaking internal ramp that's been hidden inside the pyramid for 4500 years.

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Unlocking the Great Pyramid

When ancient architects completed construction on the Great Pyramid at Giza, they left behind the greatest riddle of the engineering world—how did builders lift limestone blocks weighing an average of two and a half tons 480 feet up onto the top of the Pyramid? For centuries, adventurers and Egyptologists have crawled through every passageway and chamber of the Pyramid, measuring and collecting data in an attempt to determine how it was built. For the first time, a revolutionary theory argues that the answer may be inside the Pyramid. National Geographic follows renowned experts Architect Jean-Pierre Houdin and Egyptologist Bob Brier as there set out to solve the mystery of how the Great Pyramid was built. On an expedition to Giza, the pair uses Houdin's detailed blueprints of the structure and 3-D software to unlock the secret. Is Houdin's theory true that a ramp used during construction still exists inside the pyramid? The answer to this and other questions is revealed in this enthralling expedition to the Great Pyramid.

cloud9
24th March 2013, 03:33
This theory tackles three or more different mysteries about the pyramid.
1.- How the stone blocks were carried using the knowledge and technology of the time through an internal ramp that was built at the same time the pyramid was being built.
2.- Open corners that allowed the turning of the stones at the end of the ramp in every side of the pyramid.
3.- The Great Gallery that seemed not to have any purpose was cleverly deciphered by the architect as one of the biggest pieces of the building puzzle as it was used for the pulley system to lift the heaviest blocks of granite.
4.- According to Houdin the casing of the pyramid was laid first to allow the perfection of the symmetry and measurements and then smaller and rougher stones were placed filling the shell formed by the white casing.

So far, the best theory and if he's allowed to do some more studies on the "notch" on one of the corners it could be proven true. Let's wait and see.

WEAREONE
24th March 2013, 04:11
Doesnt really explain the precision needed by primitive stone builders to create the Pyramids. The precision and accuracy of the construction is considered even more accurate then modern construction. Heres one of many articles that points out what I believe is the great mysteries of the pyramid and that should not be ignored. Doesnt mean there has to be aliens involved, perhaps the ideas of lemuria and atlantis??

http://www.examiner.com/article/the-mystifying-precision-and-amazing-dimensions-of-the-great-pyramid



The incredible precision and the quality of the construction of the Great Pyramid, as well as the mathematics of its dimensions, remain among its most enduring enigmas. For example, the faces of the Pyramid are perfectly aligned to north, south, east, and west with a maximum divergence of less than .015 percent. Modern structural engineers cannot begin to fathom why such perfection should have been attempted, let alone how it could have been achieved—especially by “primitive” Egyptians utilizing stone hammers and copper chisels. If the “error” had been as much as 1 percent, it seems highly unlikely any layman could have visibly detected the difference between such an error and the actual divergence.1 And yet 1 percent error is almost seventy times the maximum error found in the construction of the Great Pyramid.

In addition, the corners of the pyramid are perfect right angles, again with much smaller tolerances for error than anything built by modern technology. The base is a perfect square, and the ratio of the height to the perimeter seems to have been calculated to be the same as that between the radius of a circle and its circumference (1:2pi).2 In order to maintain this ratio, the angles of the sides had to be precisely maintained at the unlikely figure of 52 degrees.3 Because of such phenomena, recent prognosticators have even postulated that the Great Pyramid may have been a projection map of the Northern Hemisphere of the earth.4

Whether or not that is the case, there is both historical and persuasive scientific evidence that something was intended by the size and shape of the pyramid, and there is much more to the construction of the pyramid than has been commonly conceded by most Egyptologists and historians. And that “something” is highly unlikely to be simply the tomb of a long-dead Pharao

ghostrider
24th March 2013, 06:08
I believe the pyramids were built 70,000 years ago by our ancestors from the Lyra constellation ... they built them on mars, the moon , and earth ...

Daft Ada
24th March 2013, 12:47
I can't see the vids either, it just says it's blocked in this country (UK) But from reading the thread I rialise what it's about because I have seen it before. The only thing which ruins it for me is this. Imagine one of the ramps just inside the perimeter of the pyramid, how many men would you need behind the ten ton stone pushing and how many in front pulling, would the ramp be wide enough for that many and the team in front who are pulling would reach the end of the ramp, where it turns at a right angle to now go up the next perpendicular face so they would not be able to pull anymore, and the pushers would be too few to manage.

I seem to remember he said there was a square area, or landing, at the end of each ramp where the right angle turn went up the next ramp. (Although they found no real proof of that at the pyramid)
Ok so let's assume the pull team go around the corner and reverse up the next ramp with their rope rubbing on the corners of the stones around the turn to the previous ramp, causing great friction, but at some point the ten ton block reaches the corner.
Now there can be no pushers as no one can get behind it to push at right angles to start it up the next ramp because it needs to be pushed at right angle to the ramp they are on, and they are now fifty feet up, and I doubt they could get enough men on the next ramp to pull it around the corner because of the size of the ramp and the amount of men you need to move a ten ton stone block, and some of the blocks in the pyramid are a lot bigger than that!

Also don't forget this is a pyramid, it comes to a point, which means the higher you go the shorter the ramps become and the less men you can get on them when they are most needed

cloud9
24th March 2013, 15:45
I can't see the vids either, it just says it's blocked in this country (UK) But from reading the thread I rialise what it's about because I have seen it before. The only thing which ruins it for me is this. Imagine one of the ramps just inside the perimeter of the pyramid, how many men would you need behind the ten ton stone pushing and how many in front pulling, would the ramp be wide enough for that many and the team in front who are pulling would reach the end of the ramp, where it turns at a right angle to now go up the next perpendicular face so they would not be able to pull anymore, and the pushers would be too few to manage.

I seem to remember he said there was a square area, or landing, at the end of each ramp where the right angle turn went up the next ramp. (Although they found no real proof of that at the pyramid)
Ok so let's assume the pull team go around the corner and reverse up the next ramp with their rope rubbing on the corners of the stones around the turn to the previous ramp, causing great friction, but at some point the ten ton block reaches the corner.
Now there can be no pushers as no one can get behind it to push at right angles to start it up the next ramp because it needs to be pushed at right angle to the ramp they are on, and they are now fifty feet up, and I doubt they could get enough men on the next ramp to pull it around the corner because of the size of the ramp and the amount of men you need to move a ten ton stone block, and some of the blocks in the pyramid are a lot bigger than that!

Also don't forget this is a pyramid, it comes to a point, which means the higher you go the shorter the ramps become and the less men you can get on them when they are most needed


This is one of the point this new theory tackles very well. According to Houdin's the corners were open and in any one of them they have a pulley or mechanism which allowed the turning of the stones 90 degrees and start going up the next ramp.
The ramps were built at the same time the pyramid was so they were always working in open space more or less.

Just imagine the shape of the pyramid and how you would cut a piece on the corners being flat at the base and with your imaginary knife, making 2 vertical cuts which met at 90 degrees angle forming a new corner. I guess it's better explained when you cut a piece of cheese and you do it with 2 cuts going down from the top downwards.

For those who can't see the videos, go to YT and search for "The Great Pyramid Mystery Solved - National Geographic Documentary" title, it could work; perhaps looking for the National Geographic channel also.

It's also important the idea of the outer casing being laid first so they could have more accurate measurements and then the rest of the stones used as filling didn't have to be so precise.

Even though this theory is pretty good, obviously doesn't tackle the fact that their technology had to be far more advanced than archaeologists believe. If Houdin needed several years to reach his conclusions and he already had the thing made, it had to be very daunting to do all the calculations without computers and 3D images.

conk
24th March 2013, 15:51
Not many know that the Great Pyramid of Giza has eight sides, not four. Eight sides that can only be seen from the air and in certain circumstances. Each of the seeming 4 sides are concave or convex (forget which) that reveal, in certain light, that indeed there are 8 geometric sides. The math required to do this, the planning and execution, all impossible for this era.

Paul
24th March 2013, 19:37
Not many know that the Great Pyramid of Giza has eight sides, not four. Eight sides that can only be seen from the air and in certain circumstances. Each of the seeming 4 sides are concave or convex (forget which) that reveal, in certain light
Concave .. each of the apparently four flat, triangular shaped sides is "pushed in." There is a vertical crease, from the top of the pyramid to the ground, right down the center of each of the four main sides, and these four main sides are actually two triangles, one on each side of that crease.

This is all explained and illustrated in more detail at http://www.thehealingpyramid.com/docstore/The_Concave_Faces_of_%20the_Great_%20Pyramid.htm

sunflower
25th March 2013, 01:46
For those who can't see the videos, go to YT and search for "The Great Pyramid Mystery Solved - National Geographic Documentary" title, it could work; perhaps looking for the National Geographic channel also.

Thanks, Cloud, although the first video was blocked in Canada I was able to view the second one. Fascinating theory. Hopefully someone will eventually post a copy of the first one that works outside the USA.

Cidersomerset
25th March 2013, 04:06
Its from 1992...............


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witchy1
30th March 2013, 11:37
IMHOTEP'S FORMULA TO MAKE LIMESTONE BLOCKS

As I understand the receipe is (in part) taken from the Famine Stele. The Sehel is found on the island Sehel, near Elephantine, Egypt, north of Aswan. It was discovered in 1889 by C.E. Wilbour and was deciphered by various egyptologists: Brugsch (1891), Pleyte (1891), Morgan (1894), Sethe (1901), Barguet (1953) and Lichtheim (1973).

It took about 1500 men and they were paid very well

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Famine-stela_on_Sehel_Island_2006.jpg/1024px-Famine-stela_on_Sehel_Island_2006.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Famine-stela_on_Sehel_Island_2006.jpg)
1. SOFT LIMESTONE

To build the Step Pyramid Imhotep located a quarry of soft limestone, just one kilometer from the construction site to provide the raw material he needed to cast millions of modular stones. Soft limestone can be easily disaggregated either under pressure or by diluting it in water.
Shallow canals were dug in the soft limestone along the Nile, forming ideal basins for producing large quantities of muddy limestone. Imhotep's men began disaggregating the clayish soft rock with its water, until the lime and the clay separated, forming a mud with the fossil shells at the bottom.

2. NATRON SALT

Next a substance called Natron salt (sodium carbonate) was poured in. Salt is a very reactive substance that has a petrifying effect, which is why it is used to avoid the putrefaction of organic tissue.
Natron is found in very great quantities in the desert and in Wadi-El-Natron.
3. LIME

More lime, the mineral which binds, was added. Lime is a powdery residue obtained by burning and reducing to ashes sedimentary rocks such as limestone and dolomite. The fire oxidizes and converts the rocks into a powdery residue, and that is lime. The ashes of plants are also rich in lime and the priests established the custom of receiving ashes from cooking fires from all over Egypt, to add them to the mixture.
4. CAUSTIC SODA

Lime mixed with natron and water produced a third substance, a much more corrosive one, that sparks off a strong chemical reaction and transforms other materials. The water dissolved the Natron salt and put the lime in suspension, forming caustic soda.
Caustic Soda is the catalyst Imhotep needed to trigger off a powerful chemical reaction, one which would produce the fast integration of silica and alumina.
5. CEMENT

Men mixed the ingredients in the canals until a homogenous binder paste was obtained. Imhotep had invented a water-based cement. Now he had only to convert that cement into concrete.
6. LIMESTONE CONCRETE

His workers added more fossil shells, limestone rubble and silt from the river Nile, producing a concrete paste, which they carried up to where hundreds of small wooden molds had been prepared. These molds had been smeared with rancid oil to facilitate the release of the concrete once hardened.
The mixture was rammed into the molds as in the making of the packed earth called pisé, becoming a dense re-agglomerated limestone, which was let to dry in the shade, to avoid its cracking under the glare of the hot sun.
7. LIMESTONE BLOCKS

The hardened blocks were released from their molds and easily carried up to the construction site, by means of ramps over the tiers already set, until the men placed each block in its correct place.
The towering Step Pyramid was not only the first, but also the only one made entirely of small modular blocks weighing approximately 60 kilos apiece, easily carried by two men. In later times, much heavier blocks were molded and cast directly on the spot



http://www.relevant-television.com/images/arikat/p_formula_07.jpg Pouring Natron salt to the reaction basin http://www.relevant-television.com/images/arikat/p_formula_01.jpg


The mixing of lime, Natron, limestone and water.


http://www.relevant-television.com/images/arikat/p_formula_02.jpg The limestone concrete paste



http://www.relevant-television.com/images/arikat/p_formula_03.jpg The first mold filled with limestone


http://www.relevant-television.com/images/arikat/p_formula_05.jpg The leveling of the second mold



http://www.relevant-television.com/images/arikat/p_formula_04.jpg The filling of the third mold


http://www.relevant-television.com/images/arikat/p_formula_06.jpg
http://www.scribd.com/doc/60102304/Famine-Txt


http://www.geopolymer.org/archaeology/pyramids/famine-stele-hieroglyphs-pyramids-construction
http://www.relevant-television.com/arikat/stoneformula.htm
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9182

Cidersomerset
30th March 2013, 13:13
This is interesting, we know the Romans had concrete as demonstrated in a much
smaller scale in this demonstration....


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Are these builders making blocks or carving them ?

http://factsanddetails.com/media/2/20120216-brick%20making.jpg


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Uploaded on 1 Dec 2006


http://www.geopolymer.org/category/ar...

Are the pyramids made out of concrete, an artificial re-agglomerated limestone?
Joseph Davidovits and the Geopolymer Institute crew shows that only few people is
able to rapidly and easily produce several tons of pyramid stone blocks.

witchy1
31st March 2013, 10:24
Hi Cidersomerset, would you have a link for the 2nd picture please?

It appears many ancient cultures were doing it which explains the same phenomena all the old sites. (including the biggest ever pyramid in Bosnia)

Once the limestone is broken up (biff it off a cliff) You can get the required ingredients from plants. They all knew how to make vinegar, had access to citric acid and plants provided the oxalic acid.

Unless someone can show me some tools they found at archeological sites - Like lasers - this can only be the logical answer. As much as I like the ET thing......

This coupled with the fact that the egyptologist do not like specimens being carted off for analysis is in keeping with this idea. The blocks are full of old fossilised shells which come from lime stone. (from memory) and they have sunk to the bottom of the pyramid stone (hence they were mixed and sunk)

There was another option (for me) which is sand stone is often very soft like clay when it comes out of the ground - however the blocks are not made of this.

Anyway happy to have this debated and to listen to why this could not be the case

Cheers
W

Cidersomerset
31st March 2013, 11:33
Hi Cidersomerset, would you have a link for the 2nd picture please?

I found it among some pictures of pyramid builders and it caught my eye....

Now I have just been looking for it and it may not have been as genuine as
I thought, it seems to be from the cover of their book, but it is a genuine
wall painting see # 26 below..




Search - The Pyramid Builders of Ancient Egypt: A Modern Investigation of Pharaoh's Workforce


The Pyramid Builders of Ancient Egypt: A Modern Investigation of Pharaoh's Workforce



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The Pyramid Builders of Ancient Egypt A Modern Investigation of Pharaoh's Workforce
Author: A. R. David

In this engrossing detective story, Rosalie David uncovers a fascinating picture of Kahun,
a pyramid workmens' town excavated in 1887. In David's hands, the Egyptian builders
of the pyramids are revealed as simple people, leading ordinary lives while they are
engaged in building the great tomb for a Pharaoh. They worry about their families, grum...

http://www.paperbackswap.com/Pyramid-Builders-Ancient-A-R-David/book/0415152925/

CosmicKat
31st March 2013, 14:02
I really enjoyed the video. It also makes perfect sense to me. Thanks!

Nick Matkin
31st March 2013, 15:03
Regarding the picture, TinEye found these (http://www.tineye.com/search/a031f3c161009b05ea89b4744092cfda81a01b72/)

foreverfan
31st March 2013, 15:10
FINAL PIECE OF THE PUZZLE

They used the thing they had the most of... water and floated the rocks into place.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJcp13hAO3U

Cidersomerset
31st March 2013, 17:02
Regarding the picture, TinEye found these



It does appear to be a segment of wall painting from a genuine tomb.......
Though it is said to be workers making bricks.


http://www.greatmirror.com/images/medium/023716.jpg

Wilkinson in 1835 wrote that this tomb, of a vizier of Upper Egypt who was second
in command to Thutmes II, was "the most curious, I may say, of all the tombs in
Thebes, since it throws more light on the manners and customs of the Egyptians
than any hitherto discovered." Rekhmire wrote of himself as follows: there
was "nothing of which he was ignorant in heaven, on earth, or in any quarter of the
underworld." Not only that, Rekmire claimed that he "managed the vast royal
estates, supervised temples, judged court cases, checked irrigation schemes...
[and] judged impartially between the pauper and the wealthy. I rescued the
weakling from the bully. I warded off the rage of the bad-tempered and I repressed
the acts of the covetous.... I gave bread to the hungry, water to the thirsty, meat,
beer, and clothing to him who had none." Still, he was ultimately disgraced and
apparently never buried in the tomb prepared for him. (Quotes from Kent R.
Weeks, The Treasures of Luxor, 2005, p. 392-3.)



http://www.greatmirror.com/images/medium/023718.jpg


http://www.greatmirror.com/images/medium/023719.jpg

Many industries are shown on the left wall. Here, in the center, two men fill jars
from a pond. To the right, a worker mixes the water with earth to make mud,
carried in baskets on the right. The finished brick is used to build a wall.

http://www.greatmirror.com/index.cfm?navid=1211



https://www.biblearchaeology.org/image.axd?picture=2009%2F8%2FBrick-Making-Relief-at-Rekh.jpg

https://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2009/08/13/the-bible-according-to-karnak.aspx


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YMqV1ja_lFQ/R7NvdZDGhcI/AAAAAAAABG0/QiX1T-M01Dg/s400/egyptexodus4.jpg

Asiatic and Nubian slaves making bricks for the Temple of Amun at Karnak. From
the Tomb of Rekh-Mi-Re, a vizier, at Thebes, ca. 1470-1445 B.C.

http://www.biblearchaeology.org/image.axd?picture=Slaves-making-brick.jpg





http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2009/03/The-Joseph-Narrative-(Gen-372c-39e2809350).aspx

Soulboy
1st June 2013, 19:37
This guy might disagree with a lot of the established facts of science on how the pyramids were built. He is said to have lifted stones a few thousand kilos heavy while the dumptruck driver quickly looked the other way, claims to know how the pyramids were built and left all manner of clues at this castle he built completely by himself without any help. Believe it or not, it's a nice little youtube clip:

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Also, there is a masonic book on Scribd from the 1885, listing all sorts of funny "coincidences" in the measurements of the great pyramid suggesting that it could not have been built this perfectly even with today's technology. A German chap called Axel Klitzke makes a few good points on the geometry of the pyramids. His books are so far only available in German, but I am told that a translation is in the works. Until that time comes, the book from scribd is a worthwhile read for anyone that is curious about what they have to say about it. The book was scanned by Google to preserve for posterity.

Search for: From the pyramid of ancient times 1885 Holland

that will take you to the right book on scribd

Enjoy ;)

Sunny-side-up
1st June 2013, 20:25
FINAL PIECE OF THE PUZZLE

They used the thing they had the most of... water and floated the rocks into place.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJcp13hAO3U

Hmm? interesting idea but!
How was all that, so, so, so, so much water pumped/carried up and has the pressures been worked out of such a weight of water. Building the raising shaft up the side of the pyramid, maintaining no leaks (with such great pressures inside of it) well to me that would be more astounding than building the pyramid it's self o.0


I've seen the french architects inner ramp and grand chamber hauling ramp concept and film on TV and it cracks most of the building mystery for me!
What really gets me about the ancient Egyptians is the vast knowledge to have built it in the first place
I.E incredible mathematics and geometry, astronomy, alignment around the globe? so on and so on. The architects back then where the great wonder of the world! and where are the actual plans of such a build?
Knowledge like this would have been gained/created over a great period of time. But the Egyptians seem to have full in-depth working knowledge there and then.

greybeard
1st June 2013, 20:45
Nassim Haramein - The Pyramids & Orion Belt
If you haven’t seen this it is well worth watching.

Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tloz5NpCJQ

Vitalux
1st June 2013, 22:47
It is more interesting what the documentary fails revile that is interesting.

It only shows those things which supports it's theory of how the pyramids were build.

I agree :first: with our fellow Avalon Member "Conk" above statement wholeheartedly.


Not many know that the Great Pyramid of Giza has eight sides, not four. Eight sides that can only be seen from the air and in certain circumstances. Each of the seeming 4 sides are concave or convex (forget which) that reveal, in certain light, that indeed there are 8 geometric sides. The math required to do this, the planning and execution, all impossible for this era.

Included in some of the things to consider is;

1. The face of the sphinx is completely isometric.
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the list goes on.

My opinion, National Geographic Documentary is supporting it's theory by targeting those who have not attained a clear understanding of all the geometric and architectural engineering that was accomplished at that location.

In conclusion, National Geographic Documentary perpetuates ignorance rather than awakens awareness, of such an incredible feat of advanced technology by an unknown society.

cloud9
2nd June 2013, 21:36
I found these links, please try them and see if the documentary is visible now. I really think this is the coolest theory so far...

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MadMax1
2nd June 2013, 23:03
I have to ask this question as i am confused here i can not view the original video posted as it is locked due to country zones and the videos i have watched are giving conflicting details. On describes how the blocks were cut from rock and prepared by stone masons over time and sent down the river. But now i see the ones explaining how the blocks were made in moulds i know the egyptions did have the basic recipe for concrete but which is correct? the block mould theory is conflicting the videos shown in this post of them being cut from stone. Can i also ask how do they know they are mould blocks have the blocks of the great pyramid been chemically tested? and if so have they tested rock from the area in which they were suppose to have been cut from to see if it matches?. The ancient picture above of the egyptions working does appear that they are making blocks from powder but where was this picture found ? was it found near the pyrimids or is it just in reference to them making limestone blocks in general?. I think it needs to be cleared up as we know the egyptions did have the knowledge of making a type of concrete but the videos are conflicting each other with the details one saying blocks were carved and the other saying they were moulded. I am not trying to undermine the content here i just want to get a clear perception of what is being said here i know in the video just above the man says the blocks they made have the same make up of the great pyramid blocks, but he does not say where it was tested or if they tested the rock from the area the blocks were cut from. If someone has more info to back up the test theory of the block compounds it would be helpfull.

cloud9
3rd June 2013, 00:46
There are two different questions here, the first one is about the materials used to built the pyramids, if the stones or blocks were made or brought up from a quarry which I personally don't believe.

This is a recurring question about all of ancient sites, archaeologysts are always looking for the nearest quarry and amazed that they could transport such weights with the technology they had. It makes sense to think that the blocks were built in the site instead of carrying them.

The second question is about how could the ancients lift the blocks and built such amazing structures. The documentary that I posted is about this second question.

MadMax1
3rd June 2013, 06:44
I just watched the second lot of videos you posted as i was able to view them and i have to say this man seems to have worked it out quite well, all they need now is proof that the tunnel ramp is really there. The scan shows something their so i wonder if they have let him go back with a camera to look behind those blocks in that notch they found which had the room behind it. Interesting what they say about the granite blocks being so smooth but from what i know the egyptions used saws with jewel tips to cut them but where did they get them from? i only ask this as i don't know if they have granite rock near by. Now if we could only know how the ancient egyptions were so knowledgable with mathematics science and astronomy as we seemed to have taken a huge step backwards somewhere after this time period in knowledge. If we had kept on the path of knowledge they had i am sure we would be alot further advanced as a society then we currently are and would not be still using coal and nuclear energy to power the world.

cloud9
4th June 2013, 00:06
There are several scholars that promote the idea that the pyramids were built some time between 17.000 and 30.000 years ago which put them way before the last ice age, the destruction of Atlantis and the great flood if they are not the same event.

ghostrider
11th July 2013, 02:40
A light bulb went off today reguarding the pyramids, here goes... we use cellphones, we need towers to communicate , our enlightened ancestors, used spirit telephathy, the pyramids are their cell towers, they use them to call home, hence the reason for the alignment to orion ... stones are sensitive to vibration and can amplify sound, one stands in the pyramid , using spirit telephathy amped up by the stones ( aligned with the stars=home) and they send and recieve information ...the pyramids are their cell towers ...their purpose is , when you want call home, you enter and use your consciousness, every major tribe , had pyramids close by , built in alignment with their homeworld, betcha on their homeworld there is an exact pyramid aligned with earth , at the exact spot on that planet relative to earth ...

Metaphor
11th July 2013, 04:32
A light bulb went off today reguarding the pyramids, here goes... we use cellphones, we need towers to communicate , our enlightened ancestors, used spirit telephathy, the pyramids are their cell towers, they use them to call home, hence the reason for the alignment to orion ... stones are sensitive to vibration and can amplify sound, one stands in the pyramid , using spirit telephathy amped up by the stones ( aligned with the stars=home) and they send and recieve information ...the pyramids are their cell towers ...their purpose is , when you want call home, you enter and use your consciousness, every major tribe , had pyramids close by , built in alignment with their homeworld, betcha on their homeworld there is an exact pyramid aligned with earth , at the exact spot on that planet relative to earth ...

That is a very fresh take on it, though it places assumption on assumption.

Shannow
11th July 2013, 09:06
Investigation into the orientation of residual magnetism of pyramid stones, and the concept that they (some of them) may have been cast in situ.

http://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/2012/06/epn2012-43-6.pdf

Have been following Davidovits' work for a few months now, and he has some very very clever ideas on ancient "ceramics" the can be produced at camp fire temperatures rather than kiln temperatures, making things like egyptian blue faience using geopolymer techniques.

Maybe they had the technology
http://egypt-grammar.rutgers.edu/TextPDF/Irtysen.pdf

I've made a couple of successful samples of geopolymer from fly ash using lime and sodium carbonate, or Caustic...has me wondering whether these materials would make good orgone matrix material.

Bob
26th September 2013, 23:15
Just curious, Re: Gizeh Pyramids - how many or who of the group has been there and looked at the blocks and surfaces from the inside, from the chambers?

The grand gallery and viewing different in appearance limestone was very interesting to me as well as looking at the granite blocks in other places..

Limestone was everywhere on the outside, but finding some granite was interesting - and to see it polished (a different feeling was there).

http://www.sonic.net/bernard/images/illus.gif


http://emhotep.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/h2h2a16-great_pyramid_34a.png i.e. 20 rectangular granite blocks of the floor of the King's Chamber (right).

http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/world/med/s3ascv3.jpg

Limestone in the Grand Gallery