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kirolak
18th April 2013, 05:22
I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet, or am I just missing it? The "Check if already posted" app is a great innovation, by the way! Does anyone in the USA have more info on this? Hope are are well & safe!:(

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/17/watch-live-huge-explosion-at-fertilizer-plant-rocks-texas-town/

Deej
18th April 2013, 06:01
I'm reading 60+ dead over 100 injured

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57580172/ems-60-dead-over-100-injured-in-texas-fertilizer-plant-blast/

Deej
18th April 2013, 06:15
Now 70? This is so much worse that the Boston False Flag but nobody cares?

http://www.kktv.com/news/headlines/Fertilizer-Plant-Explodes-Near-Waco-TX-203511501.html#.UW-Oc8qwXcq

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Check out this video -

https://images.4chan.org/pol/src/1366260372735.gif

Deej
18th April 2013, 06:19
more video.... This was Huge, and felt for 100 mi... very moving earth 17 aprils

http://www.kwkt.com/news/caught-camera-fertilizer-plant-explosion-near-waco

Paul
18th April 2013, 06:21
I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet, or am I just missing it?
I don't see any other threads on it either ... thanks for posting.

I added "(Waco, Texas, USA - 17 April 2013)" to the thread title, to put it in the larger context.

Deej
18th April 2013, 06:29
Coincidence?

April 16th 1947, Fertilizer Plant Explosion? 581 killed!

A giant explosion occurs during the loading of fertilizer onto the freighter Grandcamp at a pier in Texas City, Texas, on this day in 1947. Nearly 600 people lost their lives and thousands were injured when the ship was literally blown to bits.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/fertilizer-explosion-kills-581-in-texas

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Guess everybody is sleepin'

ZZzzzzzzzzzzz :pout:

Deej
18th April 2013, 06:47
I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet, or am I just missing it?
I don't see any other threads on it either ... thanks for posting.

I added "(Waco, Texas, USA - 17 April 2013)" to the thread title, to put it in the larger context.

Thanks Paul.... I cannot believe that no one else has anything to say about this. SOoooooo much bigger than Boston

Referee
18th April 2013, 07:30
Could this be a distraction Slowed down looks like something enters the picture just before the explosion take a look what do you think?


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Here is a better image freeze video at 11 seconds what is on the left of the screen?

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Valle
18th April 2013, 08:54
Will this affect this year harvest i USA?

Paul
18th April 2013, 11:04
I just updated the thread title again. The explosion was in West, Texas, not in Waco, Texas. The town of "West" is about 20 miles north of Waco.

Paul
18th April 2013, 11:12
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The fertilizer plant was on the other side of the street from a residential area, that included a nursing home.


http://thepythoniccow.us/fertilizer_explosion_west_texas.jpg

The plant is (was) on the right side of the above image, and the nursing home, West Rest Haven, on the left side. The blast was big enough to cause the sudden collapse and burning of the nursing home buildings.

The following image was taken outside the Czech Shop, Grocery and Deli which is 1.1 miles from the fertilizer plant.

http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20130418-czech.jpg.ece/BINARY/w700x467/Czech.jpg
The following map shows the 1.1 miles distance. The Czech Deli is on the lower left end of the red line and the West Fertilizer plant on the upper right end. You can also see the West Rest Haven marked on the following map, near the fertilizer plant.

http://thepythoniccow.us/fertilizer_explosion_west_texas_to_Czech_Deli.jpg

kirolak
18th April 2013, 11:29
Coincidence?

April 16th 1947, Fertilizer Plant Explosion? 581 killed!

A giant explosion occurs during the loading of fertilizer onto the freighter Grandcamp at a pier in Texas City, Texas, on this day in 1947. Nearly 600 people lost their lives and thousands were injured when the ship was literally blown to bits.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/fertilizer-explosion-kills-581-in-texas

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Guess everybody is sleepin'

ZZzzzzzzzzzzz :pout:

I also saw that - is this proof that we humans don't learn from experience? Or is there something to the "death days" of April in esoteric astrology?:confused:

Paul
18th April 2013, 11:45
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This video was taken of the fire, before and during the explosion.

Paul
18th April 2013, 11:55
A good report on this from RT: Dozens believed killed, hundreds injured in Texas fertilizer plant explosion (PHOTOS, VIDEO) (http://rt.com/usa/texas-fertilizer-plant-explosion-036/)

WhiteFeather
18th April 2013, 12:19
I wonder if there was any important elderly political figures residing in that nursing home. Were they looking to rub someone out here. Just a thought.
Is Papa Bush staying there temporarily? I heard he was pretty banged up.

Paul
18th April 2013, 12:32
I wonder if there was any important elderly political figures residing in that nursing home. Were they looking to rub someone out here. Just a thought.
Is Papa Bush staying there temporarily? I heard he was pretty banged up.

Papa Bush wouldn't be staying at the typical small town Texas nursing home. I know those places, having a relative who has been in them in the past, and the aerial shot in Google's satellite view seems quite familiar to me. 'Dem places is for folks of modest means, not the Bushies.

Paul
18th April 2013, 12:45
If I have this figured out correctly, the following image:

http://rt.com/files/news/1e/c5/40/00/explosion2.jpg
is the backside (away from the parking lot, closer to the fertilizer plant)
of the apartment building I circled in red below (with the arrow showing
the point of view of the above image):

http://thepythoniccow.us/fertilizer_explosion_west_texas_closeup.jpg
The nursing home is the more complex building, to the left side of the above image.

WhiteFeather
18th April 2013, 12:53
I wonder if there was any important elderly political figures residing in that nursing home. Were they looking to rub someone out here. Just a thought.
Is Papa Bush staying there temporarily? I heard he was pretty banged up.

Papa Bush wouldn't be staying at the typical small town Texas nursing home. I know those places, having a relative who has been in them in the past, and the aerial shot in Google's satellite view seems quite familiar to me. 'Dem places is for folks of modest means, not the Bushies.

I was just being slightly sarcastic Paul. Im sure Papa Bush and his party friends are being nestled nicely in their Paraguay Estates. They have alot of Extra Cash from the wars they created. So im sure they are living large and ingesting plenty of Grey Poupon.

RunningDeer
18th April 2013, 12:54
ROrpKx3aIjA
This video was taken of the fire, before and during the explosion.

Was not expecting that. It's a teachable moment for patience with those that experience these "designed escalation of fears". And why it's so powerful a force for the dark sh!tbirds.

Paul
18th April 2013, 12:55
Im sure Papa Bush and his party friends are being nestled nicely in their Paraguay Estate.
Yup ... far from any fertilizer plants :).

TargeT
18th April 2013, 12:59
Will this affect this year harvest i USA?

very unlikely; there are a lot of fertilizer (I'd guess amonium nitrate?) suppliers in the US.

crosby
18th April 2013, 13:00
what surprises me and baffles me is that a residential neighborhood is built up around a fertilizer plant...... this just does not make any sense at all. no foresight, no common sense..... what a horrible, horrible situation. my heart goes out to all who are suffering in West, Texas.
warmest, corson

Paul
18th April 2013, 13:04
what surprises me and baffles me is that a residential neighborhood is built up around a fertilizer plant...... this just does not make any sense at all. no foresight, no common sense..... what a horrible, horrible situation. my heart goes out to all who are suffering in West, Texas.
warmest, corson
That's one of the things I rather like about Texas ... fewer zoning restrictions. If you want to build something, you buy a piece of land and build it. If one guy doesn't want to sell you the land, the next guy down the road will ... there's plenty of it to go around :).

(Well, not quite that wild and woolly anymore, but much more so than the more upscale area of California where I lived before.)

Yeah, now and then, it makes for some rather spectacular industrial accidents.

RunningDeer
18th April 2013, 13:05
Texas: Drinking And Walking Is The New Crime

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/infowars_zpseb184ad7.JPG




At first glance one might ask what’s this got to do with explosion? Emphasis on explosion here. The sh!tbirds are waking up a whole lotta folks. Shows their desperation. Shows how powerful we sleeping giants really are.


Three days count - 176,316 (also posted on other sites); Five day count - 229,817

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Published on Apr. 13, 2013

The police department is now saying they will arrest you for drinking and walking in Austin, Texas. We live in such a free country.

Paul
18th April 2013, 13:07
The police department is now saying they will arrest you for drinking and walking in Austin, Texas. We live in such a free country.
Yeah - not all of Texas is like I just described above. There is Austin ... rather like a bit of California transplanted.

pyrangello
18th April 2013, 13:09
This morning at 4 am they were saying 5-15 casualties but with everything leveled for 4-5 blocks I'm thinking it will be much worse as daybreak allows much more visability, many prayers and hugs . FYI Boston was approved for Fema aid and monies yesterday , lets see if our sister state of Texas gets the same attention. They did not when the across the state fires happened last year.

pyrangello
18th April 2013, 13:13
I don't know how many fertilizer plants there are in the US but if this place produced fertilizer for the farming industry , I wonder what the impact will be? For this town the economic impact will be devastating besides the human loss. Again prayers for many.

RunningDeer
18th April 2013, 13:22
The police department is now saying they will arrest you for drinking and walking in Austin, Texas. We live in such a free country.
Yeah - not all of Texas is like I just described above. There is Austin ... rather like a bit of California transplanted.

Sprinkle a little behavior modification here, a little there, the net effect an explosion of a different kind. The good kind. Power vs. force. Quote from one of my earlier posts:


Subtle power is where it's at.
http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Angels/fire_woman.JPG (http://s1262.photobucket.com/user/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/media/Angels/fire_woman.jpg.html)

Dennis Leahy
18th April 2013, 13:29
Now 70? This is so much worse that the Boston False Flag but nobody cares?

http://www.kktv.com/news/headlines/Fertilizer-Plant-Explodes-Near-Waco-TX-203511501.html#.UW-Oc8qwXcq

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Check out this video -

https://images.4chan.org/pol/src/1366260372735.gif

I don't think "nobody cares" is accurate. Certainly does not describe me.

These man-made disasters divide into two groups: those that are truly accidental (even if negligence is the reason), and those that are deliberate. Being a conspiracy realist, and recognizing that the US government black-ops segments of their alphabet agencies will literally do anything (death - even genocide, destruction, mayhem) that the Secret Government directs them to do, it is difficult not to have a knee-jerk reaction. But, with no immediate evidence of black-ops involvement nor obvious motive, my brain leans towards this being an industrial accident.

Whether accidental or deliberate, of course our hearts go out to the people killed and lives shattered. Whether accidental or deliberate, of course the USG will not "let a good crisis go to waste."

Dennis

RunningDeer
18th April 2013, 13:32
I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet, or am I just missing it?
I don't see any other threads on it either ... thanks for posting.

I added "(Waco, Texas, USA - 17 April 2013)" to the thread title, to put it in the larger context.

Thanks Paul.... I cannot believe that no one else has anything to say about this. SOoooooo much bigger than Boston

FFT: Bigger in a different way. The Boston marathon gets a lot of notice around the world. It's also a highly populated area, so more fear juice dollars. When I was over in Europe, people asked if I was from New York or Boston. That's their take on America at least in terms of geography (back then).

Paul
18th April 2013, 13:41
Thanks Paul.... I cannot believe that no one else has anything to say about this. SOoooooo much bigger than Boston
You're seeing the difference between a deliberate false flag operation, which gets the fear porn pumping on the main stream media nation wide, with after effects for months, versus a run of the mill industrial accident in No Place, Texas, which comes and goes from the news within a day, outside of those local to the area.

Body counts don't determine the scale of news coverage. The propaganda value of a story determines the extent of its coverage.

soleil
18th April 2013, 13:46
wow, i also wasnt expecting such a huge explosion. that phone video was incredible showing the distance of the blast. is this another smokeshow?

my heart is going out to all harmed in this :(

MorningSong
18th April 2013, 14:59
This is just an awful event...incredible....

To me it looks like the air exploded which is possible as gasses were released and evaporated from the heat of the fire.... just so terrible...

My heart cries out for the people harmed by this new tragedy.

Here are some other vids:

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Lazlo
18th April 2013, 15:15
The lesson to be remembered in the cell phone vid is the "Rule Of Thumb" for chemical fires.

If you can't visually cover the entire blaze with you thumb held out at arms length, then you are too close. That guy is lucky that he didn't get himself and his two daughters killed needlessly.

Paul
18th April 2013, 15:18
In this more recent update from Fox News, the estimated death toll is lower. From Police say between 5 and 15 people killed in Texas fertilizer plant explosion, more than 160 hurt (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/18/numerous-injuries-reported-in-large-explosion-at-texas-fertilizer-plant/):




Swanton said authorities believe that between 5 and 15 people were killed in the blast, but stressed that's an early estimate as search and rescue operations remain under way. There is no indication the blast was anything other than an industrial accident, he said. At least three firefighters are still missing.
Elsewhere I recall reading that the trapped occupants of the nursing home that they feared might include many fatalities were mostly recovered alive.

Deej
18th April 2013, 15:46
Thanks Paul.... I cannot believe that no one else has anything to say about this. SOoooooo much bigger than Boston
You're seeing the difference between a deliberate false flag operation, which gets the fear porn pumping on the main stream media nation wide, with after effects for months, versus a run of the mill industrial accident in No Place, Texas, which comes and goes from the news within a day, outside of those local to the area.

Body counts don't determine the scale of news coverage. The propaganda value of a story determines the extent of its coverage.

I dunno Paul... I think the Jury is still out on the "deliberate" part. Have you heard something I haven't?

Everything else you said is bang on! I realize how it works.

Deej
18th April 2013, 15:52
Thanks Paul.... I cannot believe that no one else has anything to say about this. SOoooooo much bigger than Boston
You're seeing the difference between a deliberate false flag operation, which gets the fear porn pumping on the main stream media nation wide, with after effects for months, versus a run of the mill industrial accident in No Place, Texas, which comes and goes from the news within a day, outside of those local to the area.

Body counts don't determine the scale of news coverage. The propaganda value of a story determines the extent of its coverage.

I dunno Paul... I think the Jury is still out on the "deliberate" part. Have you heard something I haven't?

Everything else you said is bang on! I realize how it works.

CNN reporting 911 calls ppl saying that a BOMB went off?

Deej
18th April 2013, 16:00
In this YoutUBE vid... around the 10 sec mark, you can see a fireball streak coming from the left. Drone strike?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0YMv21-XTEc#!

jagman
18th April 2013, 16:12
I think the contaminated letters and the fertilizer plant explosion were both diversions to keep the focus off the marathon bombing.
Magicians & chess players utilize this tactic frequently. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. If you do, your a crazy conspiracy nut job lol

GoodETxSG
18th April 2013, 16:18
I have feelers out to my FEMA and Texas State Guard contacts. My college room mate lives just N. of Waco and is in EMS. I hope to have some info to report soon. I am told there have been some very close calls at this facility in the past. This type of ferterlizer is not the normal Amonium Nitrate used in OKC Bombings but an even more endustrial type used for large area's of land to prep them for crops. Some times things happen, may not be an OP.

It would take more than a fire to set off Amonium Nitrate (Needs to be mixed w/motor oil/aluminum powder and processed w/other things I will not mention), as it explodes close to C4 at 26-28K feet per second while Dynomite is around 18K feet per second. (21K+ per second needed to shatter most steel).

Anyway, I am waiting for some telemetry on the damaged buildings, chemical traces as well exactly would be needed to detonate this type of Chemical Fertilizer. If the volunteer fire fighters used the wrong medium to attack a chemical fire the reaction could be the cause. There is just to much left unanswered at this point and that is not good.

This is the time window that evidence is washed away or dropped on the scene (IF this is a conspiracy). Since this is in my back yard maybe I will get lucky... but it doesn't "Smell" like an OP to me so far (Weird timing or not). I have an open mind though.

Deej
18th April 2013, 16:29
I think the contaminated letters and the fertilizer plant explosion were both diversions to keep the focus off the marathon bombing.
Magicians & chess players utilize this tactic frequently. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. If you do, your a crazy conspiracy nut job lol

mis-direction to follow a mis-direction to follow a misdirection and so on...

GoodETxSG
18th April 2013, 17:36
I do not believe in coincidence, normally. But things are pointing to WEST incident being an accident/screw up/ETC...

'Industrial Accidents/Explosions" I hadn't heard about this one in Oklahoma

http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/kokh_vid_10717.shtml

Crews on the Scene of an Explosion in NE OKC

OKLAHOMA CITY -- Firefighters and emergency personnel are investigating after an explosion in NW Oklahoma City.

The explosion occurred just before 9:30 Wednesday night at 812 N. Bryant.

Officials tell us it was a tank battery that exploded. The cause is unknown at this time. The area surrounding the tank battery is being evacuated.

Police, EMSA, and the Oklahoma City Fire Department are all on scene. There are several propane tanks in the area that are threatened by the flames.

We'll bring you more details as they come in.

Posted: Wednesday, April 17 2013, 10:09 PM CDT
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Do not be mistaken, DIVERSIONS are underway, they have JUST STARTED! Get ready for some bumpy crazy times. These are all meant to raise FEAR and lower LOVE so certain goals/agenda's/plans have a better chance of success... Do not get wrapped up in it please.

ALL eyes should be open and watchful, the defeat of the "Weapons Bill" was a major part of certain plans of groups that have been militarizing Federal/State/Local Police (THEY ARE EXTREMELY PISSED, time for plan B!). Though orchestrated as one of the many bullet points of their PLAN. This is much to do with the economic collapse that is underway and unreported.

Several outside factors have caused groups to up their time lines on their agenda's and doing so they have made mistakes... ones now that could possibly bite them in their fat fleshy a$$'s. I believe that has been part of a white hat agenda. The groups (Or "CABAL") could NOT be defeated in a head to head battle (They are dug in like a Tick and have infiltrated EVERYTHING).

So, you use arrogance and perception of being elite against them... if they think they have the upper hand, BREAK IT! Misdirection and poking the bear is subtle ways to cause it to expose it's agenda or even better speed it up and not follow its centuries old plans... and then reap the rewards of their mistakes and arrogance. This is how smaller, less sophisticated Guerrilla warriors have defeated Giant Military Social Machines back into antiquity.

IMHO.

Deej
18th April 2013, 19:06
Take a look at this frame by frame that was done by an amateur on his TV and tell me there isn't something going on here -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=r2uFOUpIhzE#!

Deej
18th April 2013, 19:09
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Do not be mistaken, DIVERSIONS are underway, they have JUST STARTED! Get ready for some bumpy crazy times. These are all meant to raise FEAR and lower LOVE so certain goals/agenda's/plans have a better chance of success... Do not get wrapped up in it please.

ALL eyes should be open and watchful, the defeat of the "Weapons Bill" was a major part of certain plans of groups that have been militarizing Federal/State/Local Police (THEY ARE EXTREMELY PISSED, time for plan B!). Though orchestrated as one of the many bullet points of their PLAN. This is much to do with the economic collapse that is underway and unreported.

Several outside factors have caused groups to up their time lines on their agenda's and doing so they have made mistakes... ones now that could possibly bite them in their fat fleshy a$$'s. I believe that has been part of a white hat agenda. The groups (Or "CABAL") could NOT be defeated in a head to head battle (They are dug in like a Tick and have infiltrated EVERYTHING).

So, you use arrogance and perception of being elite against them... if they think they have the upper hand, BREAK IT! Misdirection and poking the bear is subtle ways to cause it to expose it's agenda or even better speed it up and not follow its centuries old plans... and then reap the rewards of their mistakes and arrogance. This is how smaller, less sophisticated Guerrilla warriors have defeated Giant Military Social Machines back into antiquity.

IMHO.

very well stated Corey

Earth Angel
18th April 2013, 19:15
the company (which has changed names) was in a previous law suit against Monsanto....also when trying to follow a link to an article about the factory explosion this popped up

soleil
18th April 2013, 19:18
Take a look at this frame by frame that was done by an amateur on his TV and tell me there isn't something going on here -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=r2uFOUpIhzE#! now THAT does look convincingly like something went into cause the explosion even more so.

TargeT
18th April 2013, 19:39
Take a look at this frame by frame that was done by an amateur on his TV and tell me there isn't something going on here -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=r2uFOUpIhzE#! now THAT does look convincingly like something went into cause the explosion even more so.


Just remember, this was taken with a Cell phone camera; they are not known for their incredable accuracy or amazing footage...

I think with the amount of energy that happened with that explosion the possibility of a modern light artifact error arising in CCD lenses (sensors really) both in standard off the shelf cameras and cell phones could very well be to blame for this.. these camera's do a good job of aproximating what we see with our eyes, but they aren't like "old" cameras and involve a lot of software and hardware that is prone to issues when the bounds of the CCD are exceeded (such as a H U G E explosion).

Between the two possibilities I find the this much more plausable, besides; I know a lot of weapon systems and none that I can think of would look like that at that distance (the LARGE light flash to the far left of the frame), the area that was lit up was very large on the left side, I'd imagine it's in the 20-30 feet tall range.

Deej
18th April 2013, 19:41
the company (which has changed names) was in a previous law suit against Monsanto....also when trying to follow a link to an article about the factory explosion this popped up

Nice catch! The plot thickens... ;)

Deej
18th April 2013, 19:58
Wow... another drill planned?

Another coincidence I guess.... (didn't have the timing down on this one I guess or someone jumped the gun!)

http://northhillshospital.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/this-is-only-a-drill/

No wait... there was a DRILL scheduled for the 17th! HA... I DON"T BELIEVE IT!

http://www.ncttrac.org/Calendar/tabid/55/ModuleID/367/ItemID/1538/mctl/EventDetails/Default.aspx


SOMEBODY CALL RIPLEY'S !!!

CD7
18th April 2013, 20:25
The chemical compound ammonium nitrate, the nitrate of ammonia with the chemical formula NH4NO3, is a white crystalline solid at room temperature and standard pressure. It is commonly used in agriculture as a high-nitrogen fertilizer, and it has also been used as an oxidizing agent in explosives, including improvised explosive devices. It is the main component of ANFO, a popular explosive. It is used in instant cold packs, as hydrating the salt is an endothermic process.


Can someone explain to me how fertilizer for agriculture is also used in explosives? I know methane can come from our extrement...but i doubt a building of our "deposits" would yeild an explsion like this?? So just processing tht our soil for food is also linked to explosive materials continues to bug me....

well i looked for wht high nitrogen fertilizer is and this popped up in wiki, it does not describe it as "high nitrogen" but just goes into inorganic fertilizers....Yah know quite frankly they could have been using our poo all this time if they really needed some fertilizer! Perhaps thts wht this is, not sure as it did not go into detail about the process of inorganic fertilizer...


Mined inorganic fertilizers have been used for many centuries, whereas chemically synthesized inorganic fertilizers were only widely developed during the industrial revolution. Increased understanding and use of fertilizers were important parts of the pre-industrial British Agricultural Revolution and the industrial Green Revolution of the 20th century.
Inorganic fertilizer use has also significantly supported global population growth — it has been estimated that almost half the people on the Earth are currently fed as a result of synthetic nitrogen fertilizer use.[4]
Mined inorganic fertilizers typically provide, in varying proportions:
six macronutrients: nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), potassium (K), calcium (Ca), magnesium (Mg), and sulfur (S);
eight micronutrients: boron (B), chlorine (Cl), copper (Cu), iron (Fe), manganese (Mn), molybdenum (Mo), zinc (Zn) and nickel (Ni) (1987).
The macronutrients are consumed in larger quantities and are present in plant tissue in quantities from 0.15% to 6.0% on a dry matter (0% moisture) basis (DM). Micronutrients are consumed in smaller quantities and are present in plant tissue on the order of parts per million (ppm), ranging from 0.15 to 400 ppm DM, or less than 0.04% DM.[5][6]
Only three other macronutrients are required by all plants: carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen. These nutrients are supplied by water (through rainfall or irrigation) and carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.


Found this part of the story interesting...wondered wht exactly this substance is...anyone with more knowledge plz enlighten me!!

CD7
18th April 2013, 20:36
now THAT does look convincingly like something went into cause the explosion even more so.

To me it seemed to b the flash explosion in the left corner tht came from the intense blast of energy itself...you see the explosion right away. Meaning it came from within not from the outside...no object was actually seen, just an intense flash of light..just my take on the vid...

TargeT
18th April 2013, 20:45
Can someone explain to me how fertilizer for agriculture is also used in explosives? !!


How Do Fertilizer Bombs Work?
A crude car bomb discovered in New York's Times Square this weekend was found to contain gasoline, propane and fertilizer, according to police. Fortunately, the would-be bomber used a type of fertilizer that is not explosive. Experts say that it is actually quite difficult to make a bomb using fertilizer, because of the nature of the chemistry of the explosion.

Ammonium nitrate is the fertilizer compound that can be used in explosives, said John Goodpaster, who researches explosives at Indiana at University-Purdue University Indianapolis. This compound is not found in its pure form in the common fertilizers that are commercially available. And, even in its pure form, ammonium nitrate by itself is not explosive.

"The ammonium nitrate is like the engine behind the explosion, but the engine needs fuel," Goodpaster told Life's Little Mysteries. In fact, bombs need two components beside the fertilizer: a detonator and a fuel. The fertilizer must be mixed with a fuel in an exact ratio, and the detonator must be able to generate sufficient energy, he said.






How bombs explode

The first thing that happens during a fertilizer bomb blast is the explosion of the detonator. It contains a small amount of an explosive compound in it, and when it discharges, it creates what experts call a detonation wave. This detonation wave radiates outward from the detonator at a speed of about 2 to 3 miles per second through the mixture of ammonium nitrate and fuel, Goodpaster said.

The energy of the detonation wave causes the ammonium nitrate in the fertilizer to vaporize – the solid fertilizer becomes a gas in an instant. The ammonium and nitrate molecules break down, and a large amount of oxygen gas is suddenly formed.

The gas released from the decomposing fertilizer is what drives the explosion. The rapid release of oxygen, along with the energy from the detonation wave, ignites the fuel. When the liquid fuel ignites, it rapidly combusts, and even more gas is released.

"All that gas is generated in a very short amount of time," Goodpaster said. "That's what causes the pressure waves of the explosion."

The pressure waves travel at the speed of sound , about 1,100 feet (343 meters) per second, and can damage nearby structures or even kill bystanders if the waves are strong enough, Goodpaster said. Heat is also released during the combustion, and it may be enough to set a car on fire, but most of the damage from such explosions is due to the pressure waves.

Perfect mix needed

The fertilizer and the fuel have to be combined in a just the right proportions, Goodpaster said, or else nothing will happen.

"If they're not mixed the right way, the detonator could go off, but there will be no explosion. It would just burn," he said.

Household fertilizer contains chemicals other than ammonium nitrate, said Steven Van Kauwenbergh, principal scientist with the International Fertilizer Development Center, a non-profit industry group. When other chemicals such as ammonium sulfate or urea are mixed in, the ammonium nitrate is no longer able to explode, he said.

Accidents involving fertilizer explosion are very rare, Van Kauwenbergh said. Perhaps the worst such accident was an explosion that occurred in Germany in 1921. Workers at a fertilizer plant were using dynamite to try to break up a large mass of solidified fertilizer that had formed and was clogging up the functioning of the plant, he said. In the ensuing explosion, at least 500 people were killed.

http://www.lifeslittlemysteries.com/499-how-do-fertilizer-bombs-work-.html

Just remember, this is ONLY 2,000lbs... that factory probably had hundreds of thousands of pounds of this stuff.
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Paul
18th April 2013, 21:01
I dunno Paul... I think the Jury is still out on the "deliberate" part. Have you heard something I haven't?

Everything else you said is bang on! I realize how it works.

I don't know any inside information; just what I've posted here from what's publicly available.

But GoodeTXSG (aka CoreyG)'s analysis and intuitions seem spot on to me.

GoodETxSG
18th April 2013, 21:06
I would rather not go further than I already have when it comes to discussing how Nitrate based commercial fertilizer can be be used or breaks down for use in high explosives. This compound like I said earlier is one that if mixed correctly could shatter concrete and steel. Depending on which continent you live on the power of the explosive energy of a compound is measured (For military/demo) in how many Feet Per Second/M per second.

The compounds usually are not easy to combust, you can take a block of C-4 and light it on fire and use it to cook an MRE. However you need a blasting cap/detonator which can be made by hand as well. There are also Chemical compounds that can cause the combustion to cause C-4 or it's home made cousin to explode.

You can find the info on line though I WOULD NOT recommend "Searching" for it. RED FLAGS + ISP - IP - tracing the rout to your MAC Address = KNOCK KNOCK... "Federal Agent's"... and lots of questions...

If so compelled, Benson Ragnar has two PDF books out "Home Made C-4" and "Home Made Detonators" etc...

Be careful in this type of research. I did all of this research in a professional capacity. If you are someone who know's a lot about this subject I would not post it either as you can be held accountable for what people do with the knowledge you post. If have posted info here that is "IFFFY" edit and remove it! For your sake and for the sake of Avalon. No excuses for the Feds to give our good freinds and Bill a hard time or to comb the membership database. During times like this the Feds go ALL OUT. Just a warning from me to you.



The chemical compound ammonium nitrate, the nitrate of ammonia with the chemical formula NH4NO3, is a white crystalline solid at room temperature and standard pressure. It is commonly used in agriculture as a high-nitrogen fertilizer, and it has also been used as an oxidizing agent in explosives, including improvised explosive devices. It is the main component of ANFO, a popular explosive. It is used in instant cold packs, as hydrating the salt is an endothermic process.


Can someone explain to me how fertilizer for agriculture is also used in explosives? I know methane can come from our extrement...but i doubt a building of our "deposits" would yeild an explsion like this?? So just processing tht our soil for food is also linked to explosive materials continues to bug me....

well i looked for wht high nitrogen fertilizer is and this popped up in wiki, it does not describe it as "high nitrogen" but just goes into inorganic fertilizers....Yah know quite frankly they could have been using our poo all this time if they really needed some fertilizer! Perhaps thts wht this is, not sure as it did not go into detail about the process of inorganic fertilizer...


Mined inorganic fertilizers have been used for many centuries, whereas chemically synthesized inorganic fertilizers were only widely developed during the industrial revolution. Increased understanding and use of fertilizers were important parts of the pre-industrial British Agricultural Revolution and the industrial Green Revolution of the 20th century.
Inorganic fertilizer use has also significantly supported global population growth — it has been estimated that almost half the people on the Earth are currently fed as a result of synthetic nitrogen fertilizer use.[4]
Mined inorganic fertilizers typically provide, in varying proportions:
six macronutrients: nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), potassium (K), calcium (Ca), magnesium (Mg), and sulfur (S);
eight micronutrients: boron (B), chlorine (Cl), copper (Cu), iron (Fe), manganese (Mn), molybdenum (Mo), zinc (Zn) and nickel (Ni) (1987).
The macronutrients are consumed in larger quantities and are present in plant tissue in quantities from 0.15% to 6.0% on a dry matter (0% moisture) basis (DM). Micronutrients are consumed in smaller quantities and are present in plant tissue on the order of parts per million (ppm), ranging from 0.15 to 400 ppm DM, or less than 0.04% DM.[5][6]
Only three other macronutrients are required by all plants: carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen. These nutrients are supplied by water (through rainfall or irrigation) and carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.


Found this part of the story interesting...wondered wht exactly this substance is...anyone with more knowledge plz enlighten me!!

CD7
18th April 2013, 21:08
"The ammonium nitrate is like the engine behind the explosion, but the engine needs fuel," Goodpaster told Life's Little Mysteries. In fact, bombs need two components beside the fertilizer: a detonator and a fuel. The fertilizer must be mixed with a fuel in an exact ratio, and the detonator must be able to generate sufficient energy, he said.


so from this...the thought is tht a fire and or a "detonator" was used to set this off...as it would not alone be flamable like this?..

Thanks for more info...have not watched the vid, will now...sometimes my laptop gets too hot and leaves me hanging in the middle of it!

Also my concern was wht exactly the ingredients are tht make up the fertilizer....since we are ingesting this stuff...tht also blows things up :rolleyes:

Paul
18th April 2013, 21:12
so from this...the thought is tht a fire and or a "detonator" was used to set this off...as it would not alone be flamable like this?..
Not exactly. Apparently the variations on what can be done deliberately and/or accidentally are more complex than that.

I don't know the details, and choose to remain ignorant.

CD7
18th April 2013, 21:13
I would rather not go further than I already have when it comes to discussing how Nitrate based commercial fertilizer can be be used or breaks down for use in high explosives. This compound like I said earlier is one that if mixed correctly could shatter concrete and steel. Depending on which continent you live on the power of the explosive energy of a compound is measured (For military/demo) in how many Feet Per Second/M per second.

The compounds usually are not easy to combust, you can take a block of C-4 and light it on fire and use it to cook an MRE. However you need a blasting cap/detonator which can be made by hand as well. There are also Chemical compounds that can cause the combustion to cause C-4 or it's home made cousin to explode.

You can find the info on line though I WOULD NOT recommend "Searching" for it. RED FLAGS + ISP - IP - tracing the rout to your MAC Address = KNOCK KNOCK... "Federal Agent's"... and lots of questions...

If so compelled, Benson Ragnar has two PDF books out "Home Made C-4" and "Home Made Detonators" etc...

Be careful in this type of research. I did all of this research in a professional capacity. If you are someone who know's a lot about this subject I would not post it either as you can be help accountable for what people do with the knowledge you post.



The chemical compound ammonium nitrate, the nitrate of ammonia with the chemical formula NH4NO3, is a white crystalline solid at room temperature and standard pressure. It is commonly used in agriculture as a high-nitrogen fertilizer, and it has also been used as an oxidizing agent in explosives, including improvised explosive devices. It is the main component of ANFO, a popular explosive. It is used in instant cold packs, as hydrating the salt is an endothermic process.


Can someone explain to me how fertilizer for agriculture is also used in explosives? I know methane can come from our extrement...but i doubt a building of our "deposits" would yeild an explsion like this?? So just processing tht our soil for food is also linked to explosive materials continues to bug me....

well i looked for wht high nitrogen fertilizer is and this popped up in wiki, it does not describe it as "high nitrogen" but just goes into inorganic fertilizers....Yah know quite frankly they could have been using our poo all this time if they really needed some fertilizer! Perhaps thts wht this is, not sure as it did not go into detail about the process of inorganic fertilizer...


Mined inorganic fertilizers have been used for many centuries, whereas chemically synthesized inorganic fertilizers were only widely developed during the industrial revolution. Increased understanding and use of fertilizers were important parts of the pre-industrial British Agricultural Revolution and the industrial Green Revolution of the 20th century.
Inorganic fertilizer use has also significantly supported global population growth — it has been estimated that almost half the people on the Earth are currently fed as a result of synthetic nitrogen fertilizer use.[4]
Mined inorganic fertilizers typically provide, in varying proportions:
six macronutrients: nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), potassium (K), calcium (Ca), magnesium (Mg), and sulfur (S);
eight micronutrients: boron (B), chlorine (Cl), copper (Cu), iron (Fe), manganese (Mn), molybdenum (Mo), zinc (Zn) and nickel (Ni) (1987).
The macronutrients are consumed in larger quantities and are present in plant tissue in quantities from 0.15% to 6.0% on a dry matter (0% moisture) basis (DM). Micronutrients are consumed in smaller quantities and are present in plant tissue on the order of parts per million (ppm), ranging from 0.15 to 400 ppm DM, or less than 0.04% DM.[5][6]
Only three other macronutrients are required by all plants: carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen. These nutrients are supplied by water (through rainfall or irrigation) and carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.


Found this part of the story interesting...wondered wht exactly this substance is...anyone with more knowledge plz enlighten me!!


I appreciate more information from u as well.....my concern is not so much how "it" blows things up and bygod i think im already flagged! :P But more along the lines of wht we are being fed...wht is GROWING OUR FOOD? Giving nutrients to our nutrients...

CD7
18th April 2013, 21:18
so from this...the thought is tht a fire and or a "detonator" was used to set this off...as it would not alone be flamable like this?..
Not exactly. Apparently the variations on what can be done deliberately and/or accidentally are more complex than that.

I don't know the details, and choose to remain ignorant.


Oh my word! LOL ofcourse its complex....and like ill say for the third time...details of whts in our fertilizer is more along the lines of wht im interested in....not the mechanics of mayhem

Boys will boys and blow up their toys....thts big daddys concern :)

GoodETxSG
18th April 2013, 21:34
CD7,
Understood,
When it comes down to it... Nitrates... Nitrates... Nitrates...
That is why I use a system that recycles fish wastes water, pumps it onto my garden, then filtered and back into the fish tank... known as Aquaponics (Not Hydroponics)... Everyone should be doing this IMHO...

Everyone else... just chatted w/my old Army Guard CO;
Further News from my friend from the TXSG Disaster Response, The Amonia in the explosion seems to be most of the problem, there was the Amonia (Before Mixed into fertilizer) that were in presurized tanks. There was a fire which may have caused pressure on the tank causing it to rupture and either the open flame OR the water caused the FLASH/FIRE BALL Explosion. Amonia combusts when it hits 600+ degrees F. and can explode when mixed with water when it is in certain conditions.

No word on cause of the fire though "Electrical Fire" was mentioned but not spoken about yet on the news.
This from A former CPT now Chief working his portion of the scene. No sign of arson. When asked about a drone or munitions strike I got a laugh and was told to stay off of ATS.com, LOL.
Guys, this is looking like an industrial accident...

These plants have lots of streaming security camera's and security since the OKC Bombing and anyone ordering more than X amount of chemical fertilizer has to fill out more forms than a person who wants a FFL license to sell guns.

Than is my latest from ppl I know and they are very busy... but I am not seeing anything here folks. There was talk about leaking tanks and some other safety violations that will lead to some major law suits. Some of this has not hit the news and it is only as reliable as the info I just received from my former CO.
TY

Craig
19th April 2013, 01:56
I just had a look at the Jim Stone site and he is looking at the possibility of a missile strike, mostly from the noise just before the large impact rather than the visuals. Also he mentioned another earlier strike that got the fire going in the first place. From an unlearned perspective wouldn't there be a large number of fail safes here to prevent accidents from happening? like in nuclear plants? (another good read on the Jim site is the Fukashima tsunami) so there would need to be a compounding effect of errors to get to the stage of an explosion like that? and multiple chances to arrest this along the route?

it was a mighty explosion, I would like to know if there is any unexplained residue found when it is safe to investigate, i am now officially paranoid now to think the worse straight away at events like these, i am gripped by the fear porn but am not proud of it.

just because i am paranoid it doesn't mean there are not people out there wanting to do me harm.

I am remembering the pentagon attack on 9/11 too when i am thinking of missile strike.

Carmody
19th April 2013, 02:47
OK!

back on line, lost my password for a day or so.

I wanted to comment on this.

Watch for a bill or organized systems to come out of a desk drawer somewhere, and be applied to this situation.

In the same way the patriot act was pulled out of a drawer and applied immediately. It was waiting to be used, it had been prepared years ahead of time.

If this is a 'set up', then that is the way it will go down. Someone will pull a finished bit of legislation out of a drawer and apply it immediately.

What it MIGHT be set to do, if such a scenario is true, is to to clamp down, to bring in some serious controls and systems, in order to control fertilizers.

For if we are looking at an emergent fascist situation, in the future, one thing that needs to be taken care of ahead of time, is to limit and control all areas of consumables that would be used by any resistance to the fascist system that is attempting to openly step in. One of those critical areas, is fertilizers.

First the massive bullet purchase, to starve the public out of ammunition. Now the fertilizers? (a two headed move, food crop use and..other use. Starve the people out and prevent the other use)

Watch closely. That will be your clue, if it is a set up, or not.

GarethBKK
19th April 2013, 03:01
What it MIGHT be set to do, if such a scenario is true, is to to clamp down, to bring in some serious controls and systems, in order to control fertilizers.

For if we are looking at an emergent fascist situation, in the future, one thing that needs to be taken care of ahead of time, is to limit and control all areas of consumables that would be used by any resistance to the fascist system that attempting to openly step in. One of those critical areas, is fertilizers.

First the massive bullet purchase, to starve the public out of ammunition. Now the fertilizers? (a two headed move, food crop use and..other use. Starve the people out and prevent the other use)


Interesting. Of course, if fertilizers are banned, good 'ol Monsanto is ready to provide hardier crop seeds.

Carmody
19th April 2013, 03:03
Not banned, just controlled more than they currently are. (In the USA)

ghostrider
19th April 2013, 03:06
I would rather not go further than I already have when it comes to discussing how Nitrate based commercial fertilizer can be be used or breaks down for use in high explosives. This compound like I said earlier is one that if mixed correctly could shatter concrete and steel. Depending on which continent you live on the power of the explosive energy of a compound is measured (For military/demo) in how many Feet Per Second/M per second.

The compounds usually are not easy to combust, you can take a block of C-4 and light it on fire and use it to cook an MRE. However you need a blasting cap/detonator which can be made by hand as well. There are also Chemical compounds that can cause the combustion to cause C-4 or it's home made cousin to explode.

You can find the info on line though I WOULD NOT recommend "Searching" for it. RED FLAGS + ISP - IP - tracing the rout to your MAC Address = KNOCK KNOCK... "Federal Agent's"... and lots of questions...

If so compelled, Benson Ragnar has two PDF books out "Home Made C-4" and "Home Made Detonators" etc...

Be careful in this type of research. I did all of this research in a professional capacity. If you are someone who know's a lot about this subject I would not post it either as you can be help accountable for what people do with the knowledge you post.



The chemical compound ammonium nitrate, the nitrate of ammonia with the chemical formula NH4NO3, is a white crystalline solid at room temperature and standard pressure. It is commonly used in agriculture as a high-nitrogen fertilizer, and it has also been used as an oxidizing agent in explosives, including improvised explosive devices. It is the main component of ANFO, a popular explosive. It is used in instant cold packs, as hydrating the salt is an endothermic process.


Can someone explain to me how fertilizer for agriculture is also used in explosives? I know methane can come from our extrement...but i doubt a building of our "deposits" would yeild an explsion like this?? So just processing tht our soil for food is also linked to explosive materials continues to bug me....

well i looked for wht high nitrogen fertilizer is and this popped up in wiki, it does not describe it as "high nitrogen" but just goes into inorganic fertilizers....Yah know quite frankly they could have been using our poo all this time if they really needed some fertilizer! Perhaps thts wht this is, not sure as it did not go into detail about the process of inorganic fertilizer...


Mined inorganic fertilizers have been used for many centuries, whereas chemically synthesized inorganic fertilizers were only widely developed during the industrial revolution. Increased understanding and use of fertilizers were important parts of the pre-industrial British Agricultural Revolution and the industrial Green Revolution of the 20th century.
Inorganic fertilizer use has also significantly supported global population growth — it has been estimated that almost half the people on the Earth are currently fed as a result of synthetic nitrogen fertilizer use.[4]
Mined inorganic fertilizers typically provide, in varying proportions:
six macronutrients: nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), potassium (K), calcium (Ca), magnesium (Mg), and sulfur (S);
eight micronutrients: boron (B), chlorine (Cl), copper (Cu), iron (Fe), manganese (Mn), molybdenum (Mo), zinc (Zn) and nickel (Ni) (1987).
The macronutrients are consumed in larger quantities and are present in plant tissue in quantities from 0.15% to 6.0% on a dry matter (0% moisture) basis (DM). Micronutrients are consumed in smaller quantities and are present in plant tissue on the order of parts per million (ppm), ranging from 0.15 to 400 ppm DM, or less than 0.04% DM.[5][6]
Only three other macronutrients are required by all plants: carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen. These nutrients are supplied by water (through rainfall or irrigation) and carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.


Found this part of the story interesting...wondered wht exactly this substance is...anyone with more knowledge plz enlighten me!!


I appreciate more information from u as well.....my concern is not so much how "it" blows things up and bygod i think im already flagged! :P But more along the lines of wht we are being fed...wht is GROWING OUR FOOD? Giving nutrients to our nutrients...

gas with a low flashpoint, such as methane makes for a very good explosive ... the army uses lots of things you wouldn't think of , to blow things up ... records of who and when , upon buying large amounts of fertilizer from this plant would be extensive and have lots of government oversight ... hmmmmm ...who lives in Texas ? who is or was in government in texas ? if records were looked at I wonder if they trail back to a certain couple of people who blew alot of things up over the last eight years or so ??? hmmmmmm... somebody is covering their tracks ...

Referee
19th April 2013, 03:47
I call BS... This was most likely some type of weapon coming into the facility. See Post # 8. This is misdirection over the patsy debacle and most likely what Carmody said some way to control fertilizer....bomb making material funny this happened in TX were anti TSA legislation has recently been re- introduced don't be duped I Call BS times 1000.

That explosion looks like a high yield missile impact,

Deej
19th April 2013, 04:00
Haven't been here for a while and don't know if this has been pointed out yet, BUT...

Just found this. The company that owns the West Fertlizer Co. had a lawsuit against Monsanto.

"The suit was filed by Texas Grain Storage Inc. The company now calls itself West Fertilizer Co."

http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2013/04/18/before-the-blast-west-fertilizers-monsanto-lawsuit/

¤=[Post Update]=¤

This is the "smoking gun" people!

Don't mess with MONSANTO! There... let that be a lesson to ya!

Referee
19th April 2013, 04:09
Haven't been here for a while and don't know if this has been pointed out yet, BUT...

Just found this. The company that owns the West Fertlizer Co. had a lawsuit against Monsanto.

"The suit was filed by Texas Grain Storage Inc. The company now calls itself West Fertilizer Co."

http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2013/04/18/before-the-blast-west-fertilizers-monsanto-lawsuit/

¤=[Post Update]=¤

This is the "smoking gun" people!

Don't mess with MONSANTO! There... let that be a lesson to ya!

Just as I thought BS again! Great digging! Deej

Paul
19th April 2013, 08:40
There is a long article with many detailed pictures of the damage at Desperate search underway for firefighters missing after devastating Texas fertilizer plant explosion that killed up to 15... but town mayor warns there is 'no sign of life' (Daily Mail) (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2310825/West-Texas-fertilizer-plant-explosion-leaves-dead-100-injured.html).

There are details of the fire leading up to the explosion at Ammonium nitrate mixed with negligence behind Texas fertilizer plant explosion – experts (RT.com) (http://rt.com/op-edge/texas-fertilizer-explosion-reasons-070/).

Hervé
19th April 2013, 12:48
What are the probabilities of another "DRILL" related to a type of incident to occur on the same date?

Are these guys taking advantage of pre-planned drill dates to strike?



Texas Hospital, 81 Miles from Fertilizer Plant Explosion, Scheduled Mass Casualty Drill on Same Day

http://northhillshospital.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/this-is-only-a-drill/

This is only a drill…

April 16, 2013 in Main (http://northhillshospital.wordpress.com/category/main/)


[Update on the drill (posted 4/18): Due to the events in West, Texas last night, North Hills Hospital and the NCTTRAC have chosen to cancel today’s emergency preparedness drill. Many of the same resources planned for the drill have already deployed to West to help care for the victims down there.

Our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims, loved ones, and first responders affected by this terrible tragedy.]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/NorthHillsHospitalEmergencyPrepare.jpg

North Hills Hospital is proud to be hosting one of the largest emergency preparedness drills ever held in the state of Texas this week. We will be partnering with the North Central Texas Trauma Regional Advisory Council (NCTTRAC) and first responders from throughout North Texas to test our equipment and processes so that when a real disaster happens, we’re all ready to respond.



This drill is even timelier in the wake of the bombings at Monday’s Boston Marathon. Our prayers go out to the victims involved, and we are proud of the first responders – EMS, fire, police, race workers, and hospital staff - who so bravely cared for the injured.



If you live near North Hills Hospital, you will see a lot of activity in our parking lots over the next three days as the NCTTRAC sets up a mobile 140-bed hospital, along with dozens of ambulances, several AMBUS (multi-patient ambulances), and helicopters. This is only a drill and will simulate a hospital evacuation, something that might be necessary in the event of a tornado, hurricane, earthquake, or prolonged power failure.



Set-up for the drill will take place Tuesday and Wednesday, with the drill occurring on Thursday. At no time will regular patient care be affected, as the drill will use only “actor” patients and be confined to non-patient care areas and the parking lot. Tune in to our Facebook page (www.facebook.com/northhillshosp (http://www.facebook.com/northhillshosp)) and Instagram feed (@NorthHillsHospital) for pictures of the drill throughout the week.

TargeT
19th April 2013, 13:16
The aftershocks of this event will be what tells us what it really was (if it was something other than an accident) as Cam pointed out in post #61 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58269-Fertilizer-Factory-Explosion--West-Texas-USA-17-April-2013-&p=663460&viewfull=1#post663460); restrictive legislation is a good indicator for the situation Cam describes but there's a possibility this could be used for other things, land use oversight by the federal government, especially in texas where they often cases actually own their property and the mineral rights to it unlike the majority of the US (a situation that I'm sure "irks" certain circles.. the attempt to crush oil production in the US was not as successful due to the ability of individuals to sell mineral rights in the Dakota's and Texas).

Time will tell, for now I'm leaning to accident/negligence.




What are the probabilities of another "DRILL" related to a type of incident to occur on the same date?

Are these guys taking advantage of pre-planned drill dates to strike?


IMO this does not fit the M.O. of False Flags. Typically we have seen drills that are for the exact event at the exact same area; most likely in order to cover any agents caught before the event -- they can simply say they were part of a drill.

This drill would provide no cover and would only seem to actually benefit casualties; which doesn't seem to fit the M.O. either.

Referee
19th April 2013, 13:39
New Angle of just before explosion. Directed Energy weapon or TTA????!!!!

Combine Disasters, BATF Illuminati cards.........and More


r4bO6SjnYzE

thunder24
19th April 2013, 13:43
wanted to have this quote up again, to drive home the point... thankyou DEEJ


Haven't been here for a while and don't know if this has been pointed out yet, BUT...

Just found this. The company that owns the West Fertlizer Co. had a lawsuit against Monsanto.

"The suit was filed by Texas Grain Storage Inc. The company now calls itself West Fertilizer Co."

http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2013/04/18/before-the-blast-west-fertilizers-monsanto-lawsuit/

¤=[Post Update]=¤

This is the "smoking gun" people!

Don't mess with MONSANTO! There... let that be a lesson to ya!

GoodETxSG
19th April 2013, 14:55
Paul is on the money folks,
This was a mixture of an accident and a mistake made by first responders. It is a sad and terrible incident but not everything is a giant conspiracy. I know this site is for just such "Things". I have had a look at most of the incident report that the ***** has available. No signs of Arson in the original fire (Though the explosion didn't leave much in the point of origin). I have my eyes open as much as anyone does for false flag's right now as I have been expecting them for some time. This one just does not fit the M.O. and Forensics do not bear out anything other than mistakes and lack of company policy being kept on seperating chemicals and keeping them properly contained.


There is a long article with many detailed pictures of the damage at Desperate search underway for firefighters missing after devastating Texas fertilizer plant explosion that killed up to 15... but town mayor warns there is 'no sign of life' (Daily Mail) (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2310825/West-Texas-fertilizer-plant-explosion-leaves-dead-100-injured.html).

There are details of the fire leading up to the explosion at Ammonium nitrate mixed with negligence behind Texas fertilizer plant explosion – experts (RT.com) (http://rt.com/op-edge/texas-fertilizer-explosion-reasons-070/).

Carmody
19th April 2013, 15:14
I just looked at the so called evidence of 'something coming in from the left' in the freeze frame of the video, and that thing....that is lens flare. it is a light reflection in the glass set, that is the lens for the camera..OR the frame of the guy's car/truck door. One or the other. Most likely lens flare.

The brightness in the mass of the chemicals burning jumped tremendously in the one frame, just before it expanded,and this extreme brightness differential caused the len's limits in capacity to show gradations of contrast..to be exceeded.

I know lenses. I know glass. I know coatings. I know lens design. I know the CCD's. I know their limits, individually, and as a set, and in any form, and in any place or way which they may be used.

CD7
19th April 2013, 16:14
I have seen alot of time and thread space...not just this one, but many others devoted to whether this or tht "event" is a false flag or not? I dont see how tht changes or helps the insanity tht is our world? I dont see how it makes a difference?....no matter wht were all swimming in the same quagmire...

whether staged or not it supplies the same emotional effects-- reminders of the nasty spaces we inhabit. The circus house of mirrors doesnt really much matter if your looking directly into it or from a kaleidoscopic view tht isnt in front of u ? It has its big top effects!

Ahh the day the house of mirrors comes down....sincerely for everyone. When i step back i see it all looking the same...time for a change

Carmody
19th April 2013, 16:37
New Angle of just before explosion. Directed Energy weapon or TTA????!!!!

Combine Disasters, BATF Illuminati cards.........and More


r4bO6SjnYzE

at 6 minutes or so, the extra camera angle can be shown, or illustrated. The chemicals started to really burn in earnest..and the gasses are heavier than air, and would crawl along the ground, while the smoke would go up. The flash (ground crawling gasses) starts from the left and then proceeds to the main burning mass. Just my armchair analysis.

Rahkyt
19th April 2013, 16:46
http://intellihub.com/2013/04/19/eyewitness-in-waco-confirms-live-drill-and-military-presence-prior-to-explosion-photosvideo/

Eyewitness in Waco Confirms Live Drill and Military Presence Prior to Explosion (Photos/Video)

Intellihub Reporter Matthew Short noticed an increased emergency military presence in Waco, Texas on April 16, thinking on his toes following a recent terror attack, he and a friend took time verified video and photographs of armored response vehicles.

Intellihub.com
April 19, 2013

Additionally, he rushed towards the blast when it occurred the next day and was able to discuss emergency response drills with a local hospital representative, before surveying the damage.

To get this information out as quickly as possible Matthew called into Unbound Radio during Shepard Ambellas’ live show.

Tune into the breaking news broadcast at 24:20 into the file below.

http://unboundradio.com/intellihub-w-shepard-ambellas-1774/

In the interview he talks about his long day, chasing down information on the scene at ground zero in Waco, Texas. His story actually begins a few days ago, when he noticed a heightened military presence in his town and decided to document it, just in case something fishy started to happen. Sure enough, just 24 hours later was the fertilizer plant explosion in Waco, Texas, which was only a few miles away from him.

Knowing that the mainstream media would probobly just re-read press releases from the local and federal governments, he rushed to the scene to see what was happening. While there he was able to talk to local hospital staff, who confirmed that they were hosting live drills, as we reported with official documentation yesterday.

Matthew also described the scene of the explosion in detail, saying that the unusual blast pattern had seemed to engulf the houses, trees and a local playground.

toad
19th April 2013, 17:17
Take a look at this frame by frame that was done by an amateur on his TV and tell me there isn't something going on here -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=r2uFOUpIhzE#!

That is a gigantic leap in my opinion, I'm no expert but missiles dont typically appear as a fireball. Must be vigilant and not seek out things to be suspect.




Everyone else... just chatted w/my old Army Guard CO;
Further News from my friend from the TXSG Disaster Response, The Amonia in the explosion seems to be most of the problem, there was the Amonia (Before Mixed into fertilizer) that were in presurized tanks. There was a fire which may have caused pressure on the tank causing it to rupture and either the open flame OR the water caused the FLASH/FIRE BALL Explosion. Amonia combusts when it hits 600+ degrees F. and can explode when mixed with water when it is in certain conditions.

Now that would make sense cause from initial apperances(first time seeing it frame/frame) that explosion almost looks thermobaric in nature, it seems as though something under great pressure burst thrusting a massive cloud of explosive gases that permiated and expanded so quickly it couldnt ignite, before the cloud had a chance to get massive.

Ellisa
20th April 2013, 04:25
Home made bombs and explosives are usually made using fertiliser because fertIliser is highly flammable, but stable enough to handle until it is ignited. Ignition can also be triggered remotely, by signal, which is why the crowd was told to turn off their mobile phones at the marathon site as police feared they could trigger another bomb.

It seems that this plant was dangerously sited near houses and the nursing home etc. It should have been a safe distance away and it should also have a fire truck on site with plant workers trained in its use at the very least. It seems not to have have either.

There are often industrial accidents like this one in other countries (mostly less developed than the US) though I have been thinking of the tragedy at Aberfan in Wales, or the fire in the 60s in a FLOUR MILL in (I think) London, UK. Who knew flour could explode.

It has to be up to operators to ensure safe working conditions for their workers. I really think that the old saying "if you have to choose between conspiracy or stupidity, choose stupidity every time" applies here. There are too may stupidly dangerous mistakes, all of which contributed to the awful result.

CD7
20th April 2013, 19:30
Home made bombs and explosives are usually made using fertiliser because fertIliser is highly flammable, but stable enough to handle until it is ignited. Ignition can also be triggered remotely, by signal, which is why the crowd was told to turn off their mobile phones at the marathon site as police feared they could trigger another bomb.

It seems that this plant was dangerously sited near houses and the nursing home etc. It should have been a safe distance away and it should also have a fire truck on site with plant workers trained in its use at the very least. It seems not to have have either.

There are often industrial accidents like this one in other countries (mostly less developed than the US) though I have been thinking of the tragedy at Aberfan in Wales, or the fire in the 60s in a FLOUR MILL in (I think) London, UK. Who knew flour could explode.

It has to be up to operators to ensure safe working conditions for their workers. I really think that the old saying "if you have to choose between conspiracy or stupidity, choose stupidity every time" applies here. There are too may stupidly dangerous mistakes, all of which contributed to the awful result.


Interesting how theres more ingredients with this propensity then most people, including myself, could imagine...

However, i have a hard time thinking its stupidy...(more then pure intentional negligence) is my take. As many people are aware of creative intelligent design, and how simplistically insane some of the solutions to our issues could be...Just seems cold hearted people run the planet...not ignorant ones. There have been eons for "us" to figure things out, yet people who live in one generation can express some of the most beneficial solutions tht would affect the planet in positive ways---the wrong monkeys are running the assylum

GoodETxSG
21st April 2013, 12:43
West Fertilizer Co. Failed To Disclose It Had Unsafe Stores Of Explosive Substance
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/20/west-fertilizer-company_n_3121110.html

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By Joshua Schneyer, Ryan McNeill and Janet Roberts

NEW YORK, April 20 (Reuters) - The fertilizer plant that exploded on Wednesday, obliterating part of a small Texas town and killing at least 14 people, had last year been storing 1,350 times the amount of ammonium nitrate that would normally trigger safety oversight by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

Yet a person familiar with DHS operations said the company that owns the plant, West Fertilizer, did not tell the agency about the potentially explosive fertilizer as it is required to do, leaving one of the principal regulators of ammonium nitrate - which can also be used in bomb making - unaware of any danger there.

Fertilizer plants and depots must report to the DHS when they hold 400 lb (180 kg) or more of the substance. Filings this year with the Texas Department of State Health Services, which weren't shared with DHS, show the plant had 270 tons of it on hand last year.

A U.S. congressman and several safety experts called into question on Friday whether incomplete disclosure or regulatory gridlock may have contributed to the disaster.

"It seems this manufacturer was willfully off the grid," Rep. Bennie Thompson, (D-MS), ranking member of the House Committee on Homeland Security, said in a statement. "This facility was known to have chemicals well above the threshold amount to be regulated under the Chemical Facility Anti-Terrorism Standards Act (CFATS), yet we understand that DHS did not even know the plant existed until it blew up."

Company officials did not return repeated calls seeking comment on its handling of chemicals and reporting practices. Late on Friday, plant owner Donald Adair released a general statement expressing sorrow over the incident but saying West Fertilizer would have little further comment while it cooperated with investigators to try to determine what happened.

"This tragedy will continue to hurt deeply for generations to come," Adair said in the statement.

Failure to report significant volumes of hazardous chemicals at a site can lead the DHS to fine or shut down fertilizer operations, a person familiar with the agency's monitoring regime said. Though the DHS has the authority to carry out spot inspections at facilities, it has a small budget for that and only a "small number" of field auditors, the person said.

Firms are responsible for self reporting the volumes of ammonium nitrate and other volatile chemicals they hold to the DHS, which then helps measure plant risks and devise security and safety plans based on them.

Since the agency never received any so-called top-screen report from West Fertilizer, the facility was not regulated or monitored by the DHS under its CFAT standards, largely designed to prevent sabotage of sites and to keep chemicals from falling into criminal hands.

The DHS focuses "specifically on enhancing security to reduce the risk of terrorism at certain high-risk chemical facilities," said agency spokesman Peter Boogaard. "The West Fertilizer Co. facility in West, Texas is not currently regulated under the CFATS program."

The West Fertilizer facility was subject to other reporting, permitting and safety programs, spread across at least seven state and federal agencies, a patchwork of regulation that critics say makes it difficult to ensure thorough oversight.

An expert in chemical safety standards said the two major federal government programs that are supposed to ensure chemical safety in industry - led by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) - do not regulate the handling or storage of ammonium nitrate. That task falls largely to the DHS and the local and state agencies that oversee emergency planning and response.

More than 4,000 sites nationwide are subject to the DHS program.

"This shows that the enforcement routine has to be more robust, on local, state and federal levels," said the expert, Sam Mannan, director of process safety center at Texas A&M University. "If information is not shared with agencies, which appears to have happened here, then the regulations won't work."


HODGEPODGE OF REGULATION

Chemical safety experts and local officials suspect this week's blast was caused when ammonium nitrate was set ablaze. Authorities suspect the disaster was an industrial accident, but haven't ruled out other possibilities.

The fertilizer is considered safe when stored properly, but can explode at high temperatures and when it reacts with other substances.

"I strongly believe that if the proper safeguards were in place, as are at thousands of (DHS) CFATS-regulated plants across the country, the loss of life and destruction could have been far less extensive," said Rep. Thompson.

A blaze was reported shortly before a massive explosion leveled dozens of homes and blew out an apartment building.

A U-Haul truck packed with the substance mixed with fuel oil exploded to raze the Oklahoma federal building in 1995. Another liquid gas fertilizer kept on the West Fertilizer site, anhydrous ammonia, is subject to DHS reporting and can explode under extreme heat.

Wednesday's blast heightens concerns that regulations governing ammonium nitrate and other chemicals - present in at least 6,000 depots and plants in farming states across the country - are insufficient. The facilities serve farmers in rural areas that typically lack stringent land zoning controls, many of the facilities sit near residential areas.

Apart from the DHS, the West Fertilizer site was subject to a hodgepodge of regulation by the EPA, OSHA, the U.S. Department of Transportation, the Texas Department of State Health Services, the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality and the Office of the Texas State Chemist.

But the material is exempt from some mainstays of U.S. chemicals safety programs. For instance, the EPA's Risk Management Program (RMP) requires companies to submit plans describing their handling and storage of certain hazardous chemicals. Ammonium nitrate is not among the chemicals that must be reported.

In its RMP filings, West Fertilizer reported on its storage of anhydrous ammonia and said that it did not expect a fire or explosion to affect the facility, even in a worst-case scenario. And it had not installed safeguards such as blast walls around the plant.

A separate EPA program, known as Tier II, requires reporting of ammonium nitrate and other hazardous chemicals stored above certain quantities. Tier II reports are submitted to local fire departments and emergency planning and response groups to help them plan for and respond to chemical disasters. In Texas, the reports are collected by the Department of State Health Services. Over the last seven years, according to reports West Fertilizer filed, 2012 was the only time the company stored ammonium nitrate at the facility.

It reported having 270 tons on site.

"That's just a god awful amount of ammonium nitrate," said Bryan Haywood, the owner of a hazardous chemical consulting firm in Milford, Ohio. "If they were doing that, I would hope they would have gotten outside help."

In response to a request from Reuters, Haywood, who has been a safety engineer for 17 years, reviewed West Fertilizer's Tier II sheets from the last six years. He said he found several items that should have triggered the attention of local emergency planning authorities - most notably the sudden appearance of a large amount of ammonium nitrate in 2012.

"As a former HAZMAT coordinator, that would have been a red flag for me," said Haywood, referring to hazardous materials. (Additional reporting by Anna Driver in Houston, Timothy Gardner and Ayesha Rascoe in Washington, and Selam Gebrekidan and Michael Pell in New York; Editing by Mary Milliken and Robert Birsel)

Carmody
22nd April 2013, 01:45
Well, well, well, that answers my question... with another question.

But at least those questions are real, and sequenced.

Tesla_WTC_Solution
28th April 2013, 17:05
Did you see this cartoon from texas???
apparently the governor got his panties in a twist over it, LMAO

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/magblog/PerryBusinessInTexasOhman.jpeg

P.S. the cause is still "undetermined"... inside job?

GoodETxSG
28th April 2013, 18:02
Well,
The only really suspect thing I continue to keep seeing is the amount of product kept on-site. If it was being kept there or staged there for various false flag ops then that could be a smoking gun I do admit (Need to follow the evidence and there is some interesting info posted by some of you here)...

However, still talking to the guys or just reading updates of those that were on the ground (TX Army Guard C4I Forum) MANY who are reservists that also work for FEMA, DHS, FBI, EMS, District Attorneys, Judges and Local Police (All Over TX, Some retired from these agencies others still Active) went through w/high tech "Chem Sniffers" and combed the area didn't find any "Tail Fins" of any rockets or chemical signatures of anything that was not supposed to be there.

The amount of "Product they had stored, HOW they had it stored (OSHA/HAZMAT) standards clearly not being kept clearly lead to the the initial fire and further negligence the explosion (The first responders probably thought they were responding to a place where Chem A was where it was supposed to be etc).

When I was in college (During summer break living up close to my then GF/now Wife) I worked at a pool chemical company and something similar happened, pallets were stored too close to ones that reacted and BOOM, HUGE FIRE and bye bye Esther Williams Pool Supplies in Kansas City. (They rebuilt later I am sure you can still find news online about it).

There are some questions about why certain Chem's were put in area's that were designated BOLDLY not to be... but I really want to know WHY THE HECK there was SO MUCH of the Finished HIGHLY EXPLOSIVE Product stored on-site??? STUPID MOVE! It could have been much worse!

I think this warrants an immediate spot check on any and all Chemical and Fertilizer Companies that have these types of chemical components.

Carmody
28th April 2013, 18:49
I don't think it warrants an immediate spot check, myself. One can't tell who stores what, for what. Or, how they store it. I've been in factories where this sort of chemical stew could be in house, (not to that degree of mass/quantity),and most folks are pretty darned careful.

It may be used as a method of checking all facilities before a martial law motion is made.

Thus it could be folks who simply want the materiel around IF martial law is declared.......... and it could be the kid of folks who wanted the materiel to be almost untraceable, or seemingly like it is... in order create false flags (and evidential trials) to induce martial law conditions.

Or it could be, what is to me, and my understanding of running factories, which I have some connected experience with... the least likely scenario -which is sheer idiocy on the part of the factory owners/operators.


Not enough data, from my position, to define or declare that it was any of those three scenarios. But I did state my thoughts on which is the least likely.

All that being said, it is important to understand (other folks) that risk accumulates over time, due to risk not becoming an active living danger. We, as humans, tend to relax over time when threats do not materialize and we get progressively lazier and lazier, more and more careless.....over time. Which is why there is still room for it to be purely a mishap - With a ridiculously out of control level of materiel storage in one spot.

The question remains as to why so much in one spot? That is the real issue here, to me.

Tesla_WTC_Solution
10th May 2013, 20:01
http://news.yahoo.com/texas-launches-criminal-probe-plant-explosion-155018632.html

Texas launches criminal probe into plant explosion
By ANGELA K. BROWN and RAMIT PLUSHNICK-MASTI | Associated Press – 1 hr 0 mins ago

WACO, Texas (AP) — Texas law enforcement officials on Friday launched a criminal investigation into the massive fertilizer plant explosion that killed 14 people last month, after weeks of largely treating the blast as an industrial accident.

The announcement came the same day that a paramedic who helped to evacuate residents the night of the explosion was arrested on a charge of possessing a destructive device, though it is not clear whether the charge is related to the April 17 blast at West Fertilizer Co.

The Texas Department of Public Safety said in a Friday statement that the agency had instructed the Texas Rangers and the McLennan County Sheriff's Department to conduct a criminal probe into the explosion.

"This disaster has severely impacted the community of West, and we want to ensure that no stone goes unturned and that all the facts related to this incident are uncovered," DPS Director Steven McCraw said.

McLennan County Sheriff Parnell McNamara said residents "must have confidence that this incident has been looked at from every angle and professionally handled — they deserve nothing less."

The statement did not detail any further reasons for the criminal investigation and said no additional information would be released.

Paramedic Bryce Reed, meanwhile, was in federal custody following his arrest on the charge of possessing a destructive device. Reed was booked into the McLennan County Jail at 2:40 a.m. and released before 8 a.m. to agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, according to jail booking clerk Brandy Gann.
Reed made an initial appearance in federal court in Waco on Friday, but did not enter a plea. Assistant U.S. Attorney Mark Frazier said he would not release further details until court documents were unsealed sometime later in the day.

Officials have largely treated the explosion as an industrial accident, though investigators still searching for the cause of a fire that preceded the blast have said they would treat the area as a crime scene until all possibilities were considered. Authorities have focused on ammonium nitrate, a chemical commonly used as a fertilizer, but that also can be explosive in the right conditions, as the cause of the explosion.

Reed was one of several paramedics who helped evacuate residents from nearby apartments after the fire erupted and shortly before the explosion. He has spoken to The Associated Press extensively, and said he was devastated by the explosion, which killed one of his closest friends, Cyrus Reed. The two are not related.
Bryce Reed's wife, Brittany Reed, declined to comment early Friday.

"I can't. No comment, no comment no comment right now," she said before hanging up the phone.
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Plushnick-Masti reported from Houston. She can be followed on Twitter at https://twitter.com/RamitMastiAP

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a terrorist in modern USA post patriot act,
would consider an attack on the storage facilities and points of origin,
which is simpler than procuring and transporting a known hazardous substance

it was right next to waco...

Tesla_WTC_Solution
10th May 2013, 20:16
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/02/us/texas-explosive-device/?iref=obinsite

Austin bomb an amateur job or something more insidious?
By Joe Sutton, CNN
updated 6:09 AM EDT, Fri May 3, 2013

(CNN) -- A homemade bomb was found outside a business complex in Austin, Texas, authorities said, speculating that it might have been anything from a crude experiment to a dry run for something bigger and more deadly.

"It could be something where someone is preparing for something bigger, or it could be juvenile," said Austin chief arson investigator Aaron Woolverton.

Late on April 21, just before midnight, a person saw an object -- later determined to be the quart-size container that held the explosive -- on the ground near a trash container, Woolverton told CNN on Thursday. The witness walked over with a bucket of water to extinguish what looked to be a small fire, then went back inside a building.

The next day, around 1 p.m., a person on a cigarette break spotted the container and called 911. Bomb squad members safely disabled the object, fragments of which were studied to determine what was inside.

Authorities this week provided additional details on the incident.

Initial tests showed the device contained ammonium nitrate, the same volatile substance that sparked a massive explosion last month at a fertilizer distribution plant 110 miles north in West, Texas, said Austin fire Lt. Randy Elmore. He called the apparatus "a legit system."

Woolverton said his office believes it was an "experiment," given that it looked "more amateur."

No one has claimed responsibility, and no one has been arrested. Authorities are asking for the public's help in their investigation, while not ruling out that this might conceivably be tied to a larger plot.

"We are on alert," said Elmore.

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http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/10/us/new-york-world-trade-center-spire/index.html

New York (CNN) -- Construction workers bolted the last pieces of a 408-foot spire into place atop One World Trade Center on Friday, symbolically capping New York's comeback after the September 11, 2001, terror attacks.

The spire brings the iconic building to a height of 1,776 feet -- an allusion to the year the United States declared its independence. It also makes the building the tallest in the Western Hemisphere and the third-tallest in the world.

araucaria
10th May 2013, 20:38
This reminds me of the fertilizer plant explosion in Toulouse France in September 2001 (31 killed). It is interesting to compare the English wikipedia story with the French.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AZF_%28factory%29

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosion_de_l%27usine_AZF_de_Toulouse

The French version mentions doubts over the overhasty dismissal as an accident, when an Islamist was found killed very close by.
Also another (underground) explosion is reported a few seconds earlier that can apparently be traced to a space centre nearby where Ariane rocket fuel was stored.

GarethBKK
11th May 2013, 15:23
Well, well, well...

This is interesting. AJ is reporting a criminal investigation is now underway. Looks like some agencies didn't let others into the secret. Or, was it Monsanto after all?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2013/05/2013510161953393704.html