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music
26th April 2013, 17:35
Californians sign petition to inject children with mercury, and to implement Orwellian police state modeled after Nazi Germany

Activist Mark Dice is at it again, this time asking citizens on the street of California to sign a petition mandating maximum mercury injections for children along with door-to-door gun confiscations using police and military forces.

Astonishingly, person after person gladly signs the petition!

This is even as Mark Dice is describing how it will work: "We're going to model it after the police state in Russia and Germany," he says. "We need a 1984-style Orwellian police state to keep us safe."

A steady stream of people gladly signs the petition with their name, signature and zip code.

Even Mark Dice can't believe people are signing a petition that openly calls for a Nazi-style police state takeover of America.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0Qobbn6880



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW8UlY8eXCk

Carmody
26th April 2013, 17:59
ouch.

People can be dense.....

OTOH, I wonder how many people falsified their signatures. Just to get away while looking like conforming. Probably a few, for sure.

music
26th April 2013, 22:00
It may also be partially indicitive of a widespread "weakness of spirit", where people will do or say something they don't agree with just because they are put on the spot.

The Truth Is In There
27th April 2013, 09:41
more like "california under water"...not yet but soon.

nazi germany was not an orwellian police state. contrary to the populations in all western countries in the world today, over 90% of the people were content and even happy in nazi germany. even after the war, before the "reeducation" took hold, more than 50% were of the opinion that national socialism was a good thing. that's the opinion of people who experienced it, not the propaganda of those who want the world to believe that everything is so much better now.

christian
27th April 2013, 10:04
nazi germany was not an orwellian police state.

I don't wanna go into a long debate defining what an Orwellian police state is... but you do know about the Gestapo, rounding up of dissidents, transporting them into camps, and all that stuff?

That being said, I know that history is being written by the victors and I highly doubt that all the details of the story that was assembled right after WW2 are correct.

Here are more polls from right after the war, this is from the Simon Wiesenthal Multimedia Learning Center (http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp?c=gvKVLcMVIuG&b=395077):





In the American Zone in 1946, about 57 percent of men and women surveyed were satisfied with denazification, but only 32 percent were in 1948, and 17 percent in 1949. By 1953 there were 40 percent who actually thought denazification harmful. Against this background, the increased expressions of pro-Nazi sentiment is hardly surprising. In the Western zone as a whole, 40 percent of persons polled conceded in 1946 that National Socialism had been "a good idea, just not well executed"; while 55 percent said this in 1948. Further, between May 1951 and December 1952 the proportion of those who recognized "more good than bad" in Nazism rose from 34 to 44 percent, and in July 1952 a full third of the Federal Republic's citizens still acknowledged some form of admiration for the Fuhrer. Distrust of parliamentary democracy was tempered with fears of Communism in the Eastern zone, often needlessly so, because both resulted from the same popular lack of interest in the democratic process. A cross- section of Germans surveyed in a poll in March 1949 indicated that four out of ten eligible voters cared nothing for the foundation of West German democracy, the newly charted Basic Law.

Sorry for being off-topic. I think it would be cool if Mark Dice would talk real to the people, after he lets them sign. Like, "hello, wake up, you just signed your own death warrant, do you realize what's going on," and so on.

music
27th April 2013, 10:49
more like "california under water"...not yet but soon.

over 90% of the people were content and even happy in nazi germany. even after the war, before the "reeducation" took hold, more than 50% were of the opinion that national socialism was a good thing.

I lived in Germany, and this is not the feeling I got. Firstly, I have a lot of time for the German people in general, and anyone who thinks what happened in Nazi Germany "couldn't happen here" is kidding themselves. Manipulation, and as Jung put it "the mobilisation of the shadow" make people easy prey if they haven't dealt with their own repressed darkness, which, let's face it, most have not.

The burden of guilt made it very hard to get people to talk about that time, but one time I got an ME109 pilot to open up. His words were roughly this:

In the beginning, because the government and the press were telling us that the Jews were the cause of our problems, we believed them. We trusted government, we trusted the press, and we had shattered self-esteem. It was good to find the fault wasn't ours. So when they started rounding up the Jews, we saw nothing because we looked the other way. When we finally realised what was really going on in the labour camps, we saw nothing because we were too ashamed to look

This was in the former heartland of Bayern. If people there were either in denial or ashamed, we can assume most were.

This may be far from your intention, and I apologise if it is, but if any reply from you involves any kind of holocaust denial, may I politely ask you to start your own thread on it.

christian
27th April 2013, 11:29
if any reply from you involves any kind of holocaust denial, may I politely ask you to start your own thread on it.

I suggest he doesn't, cause apparently he's living in Germany, where you get charged for public incitement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial#Germany) if you challenge the official story of the Holocaust.

:suspicious:





“It is the right and the duty of everyone who seeks the truth to doubt, investigate, and consider all available evidence. Wherever this doubting and investigating is forbidden; wherever authorities demand unquestioning belief—there is evidence of a profane arrogance, which arouses our suspicions. If those whose contentions are questioned had truth on their side, they would patiently answer all questions. Certainly they would not continue to conceal evidence and documents which pertain to the controversy. If those who demand belief are lying, however, they will call for a judge. By this ye shall know them. He who tells the truth is calm and composed, but he who lies demands worldly justice.”
— The Catholic pastor Viktor R. Knirsch of Kahlenbergerdorf in Austria

But yeah, we should stay on topic. :)

Fred Steeves
27th April 2013, 11:35
I think it would be cool if Mark Dice would talk real to the people, after he lets them sign. Like, "hello, wake up, you just signed your own death warrant, do you realize what's going on," and so on.

That's a good point christian, and it would be most interesting to see Mark Dice, or anyone else try including that added dimension. Then again, there's the speechless factor. Personally, I wouldn't even know where to begin with some stranger on a street corner who is for door to door gun confiscation, doesn't know what mercury is, or asks: "What's an Orwellian?"

Here's a good parallel example. In the neighborhood we just moved into, there are three middle aged brothers that live across the street, all mentally handicapped to varying degrees. One talks nothing but unintelligible gibberish, one can communicate on maybe a kindergarten level and has Alzheimers, but the third can use money, mows lawns (including ours now), stuff like that. With the first two there's simply no foundation for conversation or ideas, but the third I'm still trying to discover (through trial and error) what level of communication is appropriate. What is he sure to get without insulting his intelligence, and what is just going to fly over his head, even though he may nod like he understands.

So yes, I would be most interested to see someone try that on the fly. Anyone here willing to give it a shot? :)

Operator
27th April 2013, 13:38
I am not surprised. When you look at the movie 'Iron Sky' it is made clear that if you make Nazism fashionable it can
easily take hold in the USA too. I know it's supposed to be a comedy ... but it didn't appear to me as unrealistic or
far fetched at all.

music
27th April 2013, 13:46
Great story on communication Fred. Such a key topic, and as we see in communities like this, so easy to misunderstand, and to be misunderstood. There was an amazing story my partner relayed to me about a severly autistic girl who was observed to write on a board "hurting, please help". When she was given a computer, she quickly learned to type and suddenly was communicating with amazing clarity and depth. Previously she had been assumed a near "vegetable", her parents openly talked about her in front of her, thinking she couldn't understand their words. As it turned out, she probably had a better command of the language than they did!

Soulboy
1st June 2013, 15:58
Even Mark Dice can't believe people are signing a petition that openly calls for a Nazi-style police state takeover of America.




I doubt many Europeans find it hard to believe that Americans actually signed that petition even though it's obviously downright crazy. After famous incidents like the "Get a brain, morAns" (emphasis added with a capital A) sign being held up by a protester who rose to internet fame and the various world map quizzes aired on TV over the years with the American public, where some weren't even able to find the their own country, the USA on a map, let alone most other countries and many similar incidents like CNN confusing countries on a map (I think they put Afghanistan or Egypt in place of France or somthing similar), things like that only cause us Europeans to say "Only in America" and that's it, really. Of course we know that not all Americans are like that, but it helps us to believe that this petition stunt is hardly surprising in its outcome. And still, it is a bit of a sobering experience every time such things happen.

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Wow, re-watching this clip is baffling every time... 32 million views ;)

Don't get me wrong, though. I love you, Americans, honestly! I have good friends from America and genuinely think the world would not be as creative and interesting as it is today without it. Also, just for the record, I don't wanna mess with Texas! Just saying...

We once had American friends visiting us in Germany many years ago who asked us two weeks in advance if they needed to bring any food, a turkey for example, as if the European living standard was close to that of Myanmar. I have no idea where they got their picture of Germany in the 90s from, perhaps a History Channel documentary about the only 12 years that seem to have ever taken place in all of German history if you were to believe the media.

I fully agree with 'music' on this: To those Americans who think what happened in Germany leading up to WWII could never happen in the US, I would like to encourage you to read up on an experiment called "The Third Wave" that was done some decades ago in America, where US college students were indoctrinated by a teacher and within weeks started to behave like Germans did in the late 30s and, if I remember correctly, the experiment had to be ended prematurely half-way through because it got terribly out of hand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Wave

Propaganda works on most people in most countries and hardly anywhere in the world is there more propaganda than in the US, although Germany is certainly trying to take the world cup home one day and perhaps North Korea coming out on top for decades now (but it's a close shave, I sometimes think). Obviously, most people on this board do not succumb to it and may not agree with me saying that this is true, but I think it's rather widely accepted outside of the US. The few times I visited the States, I found it next to impossible to find a place where there wasn't a TV running somewhere. That was some 14 years ago, though...

I also whole-heartedly agree that he should have told them what they had just done after they signed. This way they would unquestioningly sign the same thing again tomorrow without reading or listening, thinking "well, if he's got a clipboard, then it must be for a good cause". Being put on the spot does have a pressure effect on people, though. Also here in Germany there was a TV show where people were asked nonsensical questions on the street in front of the camera, didn't want to look like fools admitting they didn't understand what was being said and replied in long-winded answers hoping to come out of the situation looking clever in the end.

Tesla_WTC_Solution
2nd June 2013, 10:08
California is the very un-proud seat of the American Eugenics Movement, which preceded Nazism.!!!

music
3rd June 2013, 13:02
20,000 state-sponsored sterilisations of people deemed "unfit" in California hospitals is my understanding, before the sterilisation laws were repealed.

tnkayaker
3rd June 2013, 14:19
Californians sign petition to inject children with mercury, and to implement Orwellian police state modeled after Nazi Germany

Activist Mark Dice is at it again, this time asking citizens on the street of California to sign a petition mandating maximum mercury injections for children along with door-to-door gun confiscations using police and military forces.

Astonishingly, person after person gladly signs the petition!

This is even as Mark Dice is describing how it will work: "We're going to model it after the police state in Russia and Germany," he says. "We need a 1984-style Orwellian police state to keep us safe."

A steady stream of people gladly signs the petition with their name, signature and zip code.

Even Mark Dice can't believe people are signing a petition that openly calls for a Nazi-style police state takeover of America.


did u ever consider the PTB at work here already using various mind control techniques and have already brain washed alot of the folks in that state ? or possibly for just certain issues such as this one, brain washing a person into thinking a new petition for such things asked is a good one and one should sign it......? just a thought, as no one in their REAL mind would sign such a petition, i mean come on guys really , wtf is going on here?