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jiminii
12th May 2013, 04:23
on the time track of theta tapes LRH talked about a spirit being can operate more than one body at a time. he was very afraid that there was another LRH on the planet that would come out with Scientology before he did. He talked about the 2 men. one in England and one in America that invented steel about the same time. He said they were just 2 bodies being run by the same spirit.
then his statement that he was worried that there was another LRH that would come out with Scientology too before him. he said "yes there is but not on this planet"
this means there is another LRH creating Scientology but it is happening on another planet.

the truth is there is another LRH on the planet but it must be clarified. My friend who was OT 5 had a stroke .. and he kept saying to me. "jim are you a thetan"
I said "yes"
he said, "No you are not .... a thetan is a viewpoint ... and you are a spirit"

THetan comes from the greek letter theta meaning thought or spirit and is the word Scientology uses to indicate the spirit

this is to separate the definition of GE from Thetan ... GE is Genetic Entity that is the ghost in the body that makes the body alive and manages all the functions and heart beat etc ... every life form has a GE .. but not every life form has a thetan

he had the stoke when I was in thailand talking to him on the phone. he said on the phone ... "Jim I think I just had a stroke " .. but he kept driving his car

when I met him again he was a completely different personality. his personality was very creative and he wanted to invent free energy ,. I didn't understand it until after he died and I was audited by a class 12 auditor in Los Angeles and found out I was Metteyya. Metteyya came into my friends body when he had the stroke to keep him alive until he could deliver the message to me about a thetan being only a viewpoint.

after the class 12 auditor dated when I came in this body at 4 and a half years old he then ran the commands that were in the time track of theta tapes and I found I was Metteyya but also LRH was Metteyya.
then the auditor must have told the free zone people because they made a project to find out where LRH was. I didn't have the data then but I do now.

I came back to thailand and someone asked me a question about Siddhartha Gautama. and it made me curious. So I located that viewpoint. He is still on the planet but in another body. but the LRH viewpoint is not.

I suddenly ran all the pictures of Siddhartha Gautama.

When I was in Florida on the Scientology base someone confused me about LRH and I ran all his pictures for 3 days
millions a second and I was overwhelmed. I could not tell anyone what those pictures are because they ran so fast ... but I know ... and there is no other way to say it ...

I just KNOW

with some more data coming in that talks about the future saying 367 years in the future the reptilians had turned this entire galaxy into a living terror ... I then KNEW what happened.

3 waves of viewpoints ... were created right out of source from some of the most powerful spirits in the universe. one of those is Metteyya. Another is Gaiya the spirt of the viewpoint Inelia Benz

you see there is a prophecy of Buddha that Metteyya would come 2500 years after Siddhartha Gautama's death and complete the works of Buddha.

These waves of viewpoints have no Karma .. they have no automatic spiritual recording system .. therefore they have no bank ... so their potential is higher than any in the universe. but they have no experience ... they have never been born before ... they would raise the vibration of the planet and align all the negative thought and would be natural healers by aligning the physical universe too .. why because they have no bank to stop them

Bank means memory banks a 60 picture a second spiritual recording system a spirit can have that records every perception this body can feel like heat, pressure, weight, loudness. softness, moisture, direction, balance, about 52 or more perceptions in the body but it also has pain that hasn't been analysed and causes unpredictable reactions or pain and decisions from words that were put in the painful incident

Example: a masochist had to have pain or she could not do sex with someone. When taken back into the womb of the mother the father was making love to the mother and the weight of his body was very painful for the baby and it made her unconscious. the mother said, "oh this is beautiful, this is wonderful ... I don't know how I can live without you.

her interpretation was ... sex is beautiful and wonderful and painful and I don't know how I can live without the pain

now TIME does not exist. It is only a creation to make a sequential time space continuum so we can have this physical universe to create in.

so those spirits and viewpoints in the future are in the same NOW that we are. This means you can communicate to them NOW, if they are willing to communicate with you.

so base 2, where the other Scientology is created on another planet is hidden in a time portal between now and the future.

the time we are in NOW has already happened. The spirit beings, (in the millions) were sent to this time to stop the reptilians from taking this planet.

anyone who tries to go through that time portal will be stopped before they can arrive because they can see it before it happens

I have another body on base 2 and my other friend has a body there too.

She was being sec checked and didn't want to give this information

then she attested to OT levels up to OT 30 and was getting floating tone arms daily

then it was stopped because they said they have no way to verify the data.

this universe has been solved through LRH's or should I say Metteyya's tech and these powerful spirit beings in the future are undoing the physical universe and will be changed to a different type of continuum that is almost timeless where we can move up and down the track.
In other words ... the reptilians and the cabal have no where to go period...
what ever they try to hit us with will be undone

you see LRH, (Matteyya's viewpoint), was created in the future and was sent to take over his body when he died in 1937 for 6 minutes while having a tooth extracted.

time on this planet is very slow. it is about 20 hours to one hour. so up there you got 20 hours to evaluate anything you do on this planet in an hour.

this is why LRH was able to do all the things he did. from the other viewpoint he had 20 hours to every hour we have here to evaluate all the auditing sessions and anything else he was doing.

of course there is also another entity in this body. It is called a genetic entity. it is a ghost that was created by a spirit to animate matter. but the ghost can not create new thought. it operates on what personality it was programmed with, (lion tiger, rat, human), and has the same 60 picture a second recording system that a viewpoint has, (the golden ball with a ring around it near the head), that is the eyes of the spirit, and through experience and repetition.

since about 70 or more percent of the planet are only minions, (servants, GE's), it was almost impossible to stop the reptilians from taking the planet. so they sent the 3 waves of viewpoints, (eyes of a spirit), here to stop it. 70 percent of anything that can be controlled by disinformation.

now LRH is not perfect. Taking over a body here will put him in direct conflict with the GE, (ghost that manages the body), so they say there were times that he was very cruel.

Well sorry to say, but trying to operate this timeline from a future timeline with a newly created spirit with no experience, in conflict with a GE is not an ideal situation. so it has it's drawbacks. we only have to look at the results and the tech did get here.

when he died he want back to the future and that is why no one can find him.

also the future is being undone so no one can go there and change it too.

you see these negative spirits got that way because they once were all powerful too
but through their abuse of their powers they lost them. They became effect.
so the only way they can control others is to make them effect too. The powerful also made mistakes and could accidentally destroy a planet and damage other spirit beings creations. when you get hit by an impossible force to stop with infinite power it probably would drive you insane or in so much fear that you would spend trillions of years trying to destroy this power.

Yes these powerful spirits made mistakes but they didn't become effect of it ... they just would find better ways to operate ...

the negative entities could also obtain those abilities but they are so deep in negativity they have no ability to LOOK. so they are in constant FEAR of losing their power over others through suppression

this game is over .... it is a done deal .... no one is interested in keeping it going either it is a very painful past and it never ends ... so we just stopped it's creation PERIOD

this is the story of Metteyya told by one of his viewpoints jim

Moz
12th May 2013, 04:36
wow... what can I say???
still trying to understand what you just wrote.

Paul
12th May 2013, 05:03
on the time track of theta tapes LRH talked about a spirit being can operate more than one body at a time. he was very afraid that there was another LRH on the planet that would come out with Scientology before he did.
Welcome to the forum, Jim.

I changed the thread title to include "(L. Ron Hubbard)" in parentheses, so that other members would more easily know what the topic of the thread was. If one were on a forum that primarily focused on L. Ron Hubbard or on Scientology, then no doubt just saying "LRH" would be obvious. But that is just one of many topics we consider here, and many of us are not particularly knowledgeable in Scientology. So as Moz noted in the post above, many of us are not going to be able to make much sense of what you have told of the story of Metteyya, so far.

If you can think of other ways to make this material accessible to a wider audience, they might be worth a try.

Paul
12th May 2013, 05:10
Ah - one more thing, Jim - I just moved your thread from the Forum Technical Q&A (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?90-Forum-Technical-Q-A) sub-forum to the General Discussion (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?3-General-Discussion) sub-forum, which is a more appropriate sub-forum for this thread.

jiminii
12th May 2013, 05:10
it will take awhile to explain completely all the data and believe me there is a lot more
jim

Paul
12th May 2013, 05:16
it will take awhile to explain completely all the data and believe me there is a lot more
jim

ok - cool - thanks

Aviator
12th May 2013, 06:04
Ok, thanks jiminii for sharing your ideas and cognitions with us on this forum. Members with an inside background know basically what you are talking about. For other members, your story might be a little confusing. A lot of data without adequate explanantion. Please make it a little more specific and comprehensible.

Magneticman
12th May 2013, 07:52
Crikey brother....

That sure shook my magnets:-)

Best wishes

jiminii
12th May 2013, 07:55
To understand this message I am writing references to the creation of this universe as was lectured by L Ron Hubbard.

The Phoenix Lectures as told by L Ron Hubbard describes the creation of this physical universe. He says it is created continuously by all the spirit beings in it. You can not be here if you are not creating it. The reason is that you in a body or spirit by your own actions can change it's future.
This physical universe is created by a time space continuum. LRH says that if a person was to go back to the first creation of anything in the physical universe and view it's first immediate creation that thing or object he was viewing would disappear. He said it violates a law that no 2 things can occupy the same space. He says anything that is created must be altered from it's original creation in order to persist and that you must not look at the original creation or the entire creation would disappear.

So time was a creation that would allow the alteration of the first creation of space put in a space time continuum in order to create this physical universe. In other words you continuously create a new space in a new time and put it into an automatic create create create and forget the original creation you would be able to create space that persist and doesn't go away. After this you can create objects and move them in each new creation of space and you would have an object in motion like an atom. From the continuous creation of different atoms with different properties assigned to them you can create a physical universe that will persist. If you view any of the original creations of any of the physical universe those creations would vanish. So you had to say someone or something else created it and forget that you created it.

Therefore a spirit and all the spirits in this physical universe can not look at the first creation of anything he created or that creation would vanish. This is a universe of agreement. We all agree to the laws so we can operate in it.

Then the first action of a spirit being was to create a viewpoint. From this viewpoint he would be able to look at what he created and operate in it. Most people think this viewpoint is the spirit being that operates the body. It is not. It is the viewpoint that takes over a body and manages it. But a spirit being can have more than one viewpoint and be able to operate more than one body at a time. The spirit can then get many more viewpoints to view this physical universe from and operate from.

These viewpoints are themselves. They do not see what the other viewpoints are doing and they do not have the same automatic recording system. A spirit being created a memory system that he stores in some form of spiritual energy around the head. It is 60 pictures a second of every perception that the spirit being experiences. This is time movement, all the different body movements, weight, temperature, humidity, pressure, air pressure, balance, direction, and every other perception this body can feel.

It also records pain but if the pain is too much the body becomes unconscious and the data is not analysed. This was the mistake of this universe. If the data is not analysed than all the recordings are evaluated as the same thing.

example: He gets hit with a baseball the clouds are dark and he falls to the bleachers and someone says, "run run run you're safe". after this he gets in similar situations and he gets a pain in the head and feels pain in the arms where he hit the bleachers and he feels like he must run to be safe.

This is where the mind puts out disinformation from many painful periods of time starting from the beginning of time.

This is also where karma enters into his life. This is because he resist having it happen again and this causes him to get repeated situations of the same type.

Ok so this should give you an idea of what this universe is made up of.

This physical universe has been solved. This means we KNOW the data and technology of how to make it all disappear. Therefore there is no more game to play here. It has played itself out.

367 years in the future the reptilians on this planet turned the entire galaxy into a living terror. This started from the take over of this planet earth at this time in history. So the technology was created to undo all of this and New spirit beings were created out of source and sent back to this moment of time to correct it. The difference is these new spirit beings do not have an automatic recording system that tosses out endless disinformation from all the pain they have experience for trillions of years.

3 waves of these spirit beings were sent back here to this time. In fact they have spirit beings being sent back to all the important events in history to correct it, (vanish it's creations). By vanishing all these creations by sending millions of new spirit beings here with no karma and infinite potential with no past experience to limit their ability to expand they will raise the vibration of the planet and this will align the negative thought and physical universe causing it to change it's future from happening, and all of it can be controlled from the future.

Now creating a physical universe is one thing, how to you animate it?

Another type of entity was created to animate matter. LRH called them Genetic Entities. Every life form must have a GE or there would be no life. The GE is given a personality like lion, tiger, human, tree, flower and a survival instinct and a similar 60 picture a second recording system, and learns from repetition and experience.

Example: A dog with only a GE in it would have to be trained with continuous repetition in order to learn some trick. But a dog that also has a spirit being in it almost picks up your thoughts and actions as you give them and goes out to get the stick or ball.

With 70 or more percent of the earths population that basically have only GE's in them, it would be literally impossible to remove the reptilians from the planet. There would be too many that are controlled by the disinformation of mass media and just agree to it.

So the only way we could change it was to send new spirits that are untraceable from the future because no one would look there to find their origin, and send them back to change the balance so the remaining entities with spirit beings would have a chance.

The technology was sent back and it was enough to cause a ripple effect through the future and make more entities become awake and we were able to stop the take over of the planet.

This game is over. It is a very painful game, and it is causing ill effects on other systems too far away to even know about and everyone agrees it is a never ending painful game.
So this game is being undone in the future.

The cabal and whatever reptilians are still here have no where to go.

it is a done deal.

whatever effects they try to create can be undone just like the elinins and nibiru's are all being handled.

as for the pole shifts that may occur???

well they haven't decided yet. we have 70 percent of the planet full of disinformation created by the cabal that are of no real value with the exception of manufacturing abilities that can all be replaced and the planet needs to be clean and one fast and easy way would be to have a pole shift and rearrange the planet. A lot of it depends too on all of us and all of the new entities from the future whether they think it is worth salvaging it the way it is.

as for me.

I learned who I was from the technology given to people trained to take me back in time to locale the data I needed to wake up.

I was dated to enter this body at 4 and a half years old. I broke my nose and it wasn't reset the right way. my mother had me on a milk bread diet so a doctor could try to find out what my allergies were. my dad said I was practically bones I was so skinny. that is when an Entity called Matteyya come in and took the body. that is also when the miracles in my life started to happen.

LRH also made some lectures called the time track of theta.

time track is the track of time of this universe from its beginning. theta is the same a thought or spirit

he was very worried someone else would come up with the same technology he was working on. he found that a spirit can have more than one body, (other timelines). he said that the 2 men that created steel came up with the idea at about the same time. one was in England and one was in USA.
He thought there was another viewpoint, (golden ball with a ring around it that people think is the spirit), creating the same thing as him and then he said, "yes there is but not on this planet".
There is another Metteyya and that is me. I learned it when I found out when I entered ths body. I got home and said, "who am I?" and the word Matteyya came to me and I got flooded full of light for a long time the same that inelia benz talks about. I ran to the computer and in 5 minutes I found inelia on project avalon and I started to really wake up for the first time.

I could not tell the rest of the story then because it was not time. But I can tell in now

as for matteyya??? well he is the prophecy of Buddha. The man that would be created 2500 years after the death of Buddha that would complete the works of Buddha.

but get this...... Matteyya runs about a million or more brand new spirits from the future on this planet along with some other high powered spirits like Gaia and had a viewpoint in Siddhartha Gautama 2500 years ago and me and L Ron Hubbard and on other planets. 3 more on undersea bases in time portals where ships disappear in the pacific and Atlantic and one on the Himalayas ... some on space ships around the planet and other places and some more viewpoints on other planets

Siddhartha Gautama is still in a body on the planet, but LRH is not ... he returned to the future untraceable ...

so you see Siddhartha Gautama is not a spirit. His spirit is Matteyya. he is just a viewpoint of Matteyya.

from someone who is a viewpoint of the spirit of Metteyya
this is end of part one of this story

jim

Paul
12th May 2013, 08:31
To understand this message I am writing references to the creation of this universe as was lectured by L Ron Hubbard.
As best as I can understand, this latest post was a continuation of your previous thread, with more explanation.

You had placed it in a separate thread, but I merged that thread in with your previous thread.

If my merge doesn't seem right to you, you're welcome to click on the "Reply With Quote" button at the bottom right of this post, and explain to us what does seem right to you.

jiminii
12th May 2013, 08:44
it is ok .. just trying to figure out how to do this forum hahaha

Tesla_WTC_Solution
12th May 2013, 08:59
Hello, OP!
It was interesting to read that post, well, most of it!

I wanted to ask you, though, if you've heard of the name "Maitreya". It's a name borrowed from Buddhism and used by some of the more "recent" religions (maybe even cults), and to them it means "world teacher".

I wanted to caution you against people who try to tell you, there is only one truth and we are its mere facets, rather than being individual beings with creative power and also the power to define.

It could be that this Matteya stuff comes from some of that Maitreya stuff, and although I believe in spiritual experiences, I wanted to give you this warning, not to let others mislead you!

sorry if i said too much.

p.s. i know i've talked about jesus before, so perhaps this maitreya thing makes me a hypocrite? :( lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya

The concept of Maitreya was elaborated within Theosophy during the last few decades of the 19th century. However the Theosophical Maitreya was explained, and developed, differently than the original Buddhist concept. In Theosophical texts Maitreya has multiple aspects signifying not just the future Buddha, but similar concepts from other religious or spiritual traditions.[17]

In early 20th century, leading Theosophists became convinced that an appearance of the Maitreya as a so-called World Teacher was imminent. A South Indian boy, Jiddu Krishnamurti, was thought to be destined as the "vehicle" of the soon-to-manifest Maitreya; however the manifestation did not happen as predicted, and did not fulfil Theosophists' expectations.[18]

markpierre
12th May 2013, 09:07
I want to know if you actually believe all this stuff, and if yes....why?

jiminii
12th May 2013, 09:36
it is maitreya in sanskrit and metteyya in pali but I remember it as metteyya in pali and thanks for your viewpoint
the second coming of Buddha was called Metteyya because it would be the spirit of Buddha. The reason is this. The entire track is being changed. How and why? you see there is not such thing as time but every creation of every space in time from the beginning of this space time continuum is still here ... so anyone who has the ability can go back and jump into a body in any part of it. So to make the story run according to the future that has already happened, they have sent back to that time the prophecy of BUddha and it has been altered since that time because no one understood the true concept. The spirit of Buddha whose name is Maitraya or Metteyya would come to complete the works of Buddha 2500 years after Buddhas death ... and Yes the spirit of Buddha is doing that now

jim

jiminii
12th May 2013, 09:52
I have been audited by a class 12 auditor and we located all my other bodies in session. whether you want to believe this is totally up to you. Why tell the story? 500 years ago was the last war in the stars and it was decided by that government that anyone who had any power at all was too dangerous and too unpredictable so they trapped all the most powerful on these prison planets. Now that society up there is in trouble because these most powerful and I mean beings that could literally play baseball using planets as the balls, were running the universe and now there is no one up there to run it. it is running itself. so they are really interested in getting some of these rehabilitated but the problem is ... they are not going to come down here to salvage us and be trapped themselves... and they are not going to land their space ships in large populations and accidentally wake up one of these most powerful either ... they have laws to not be seen by the populace because if they did wake up one accidentally, that being could sweep one of his spiritual hands across the sky and toss everyone of their ships out to oblivion

hope this can answer your question
jim

Azt
12th May 2013, 09:59
Jim,

First of all, thank you for taking the time to share this info with us here. My question is when you say is a "done deal", and my humble understanding is that there are many future timelines that may or may not occur depending on n factors that I (myself) fully do not understand it yet (can be vibrations, awakenings ...), so, what happen to all of us here on Earth after this "done deal" comes in place? and if you can give us some light on the timeline (now) that we should expect that, it will be appreciated. Again, thank you for sharing it.

Nothingness
12th May 2013, 11:23
I am leaning with Tesla's post. Whenever someone talks about Metteyya/Maitreya I get a bit nervous. Maitreya in this day and age has connections to not only Theosophy but the Great White Brotherhood, which is connected to Free Masonry/Illuminati. Further it is also connected to sites dealing with the great "I am" presence and that newly developed new age spiritism, which is a part of the programming for many programmed people--MK/ULTRAS, etc. There are even great "I am" meetings, which they are programmed to attend, and in some cases a satanic connection. Also, Project Blue Beam, an Illuminati inspiration, was designed to host Maitreya as the second coming, posing as Jesus, facilitated by the use of holograms in the skies worldwide. I believe it was two journalists, one from Canada, that uncovered this Project, and who both mysteriously died of heart attacks in 1996, and whose families were threatened and one daughter was kidnapped as a result of revealing this information. There is more I could elaborate on, but I think I've made the point. Cheers.

Aviator
12th May 2013, 11:47
Ok, interesting. What do you think about the current CSI?

music
12th May 2013, 11:51
Yes, right to be nervous - in my humble opinion, should the much-touted New World Order come to pass, it would be a no holds barred punch-up between Scientology and Odinism as to who would claim the crown as the religion that 9 out of 10 sociopaths prefer. My money is on Odinism, because that Thor can really kick butt, and there must be some kind of power in a lengthy history and in being formed for something other than a tax dodge. The scientologists win hands down in the mind control stakes though, as can often be seen, and there is the common currency of abuse to consider as well, so who knows how it will go? Certainly not I, and nor do I care, because the NWO has already failed, all dance cards for psychopaths are cancelled, but you know what? I still love them all. This is why they have lost, because there is a love within the human spirit that no amount of abuse can conquer.

jiminii
12th May 2013, 11:59
this body can not see with these eyes what the spirit can see.
example: driving a car down the street with no cars in either lane in front of me and something puts my foot on the brake for 5 seconds and suddenly a car comes out of the side street and misses my car by inches. If no braking the girl on my right would be dead. She suddenly looked at me and said, "How did you know that car was coming?" and I said, "I didn't know but I guess I did. "
you see the spirit in me can have a space that can go out more than 5 or 25,000 miles in diameter and it can see a hurricane heading straight for the Florida land base and suddenly my fingers are turning on the power switch to my TV and there it is and I suddenly say, "STOP" ... then I write a letter to LRH and say, "do you know there is a hurricane going straight into the Florida Land base in Clearwater? ... well I will tell you what I am going to do with it ... I will take it up into Georgia and take it across the panhandle of Florida and run it up the east coast and do a little impingement on Washington DC and ... oh ... NO ONE WILL GET KILLED" this hurricane went up into Georgia and crossed the panhandle and went all the way to Boston and did more damage than any hurricane in History ... and the radio stations all up and down the east coast were saying it was a miracle ... trees buidings and everything else flying through the air and NO ONE GOT KILLED. Now this body can not see any of this ... but this happens so many times that I accept that if I said it before it happens then I am at least part creator of it. ... LRH wrote me back and said, "it is very much appreciated that you had concern for the Flag Land Base" ... now I can not see this ... but it happens ... and if I create a storm in my immediate vicinity and we got ICE all over the streets of Los Angeles ... and then I decide to try to stop it ... suddenly the wind whips up so hard that I let i go because I could have easily damaged my own body .... now do you think any of those websites that are telling us that the ETs are taking care of all the dwarf stars coming around has anything to say about it???? NO they might do their part but their command comes from spirit beings in the future that are running it all ... when the solar flares were coming to earth in fall of 2011 and suddenly went around the planet didn't hit except one or 2 in canada ???? ... what happened ??? ... who did that ??? I stopped rain between 2 traffic signals right after I told a girl I would do it and both of us were shocked ... I am looking on the other side of each traffic signal and there is rain going from the traffic signal west and the other is going east from the other traffic signal ... but NO RAIN BETWEEN THE LIGHTS ONE BLOCK APART ... so a spirit can create an umbrella and make the rain go around it ,,, or make bullets go around him in vietnam because he doesn't believe he will die or rap metal around him in a car wreck that totaled his car but he only had scratches .... metal can not enter your space if you don't allow it ... and miracles all around the planet ... this happens to people who don't know anything but cooking food at a restaurant ....

so I depend on my knowingness .. because there is no pictures there to look at .. .. totally blank ... I am also a spirit created out of source and sent here and the spirit that did it is Metteyya ... so I can KNOW what the other Metteyyas are doing ... but this body can not SEE IT ...

I KNOW this ... that this is being handled by the most powerful they have at this time .... and we have this power too ... if you can HOLD YOUR POSITION IN SPACE ... you can keep everything the way you want it to happen ... but if you believe that someone else is cause over it ... then you are effect ... you are only cause if you decide to be cause ...

if you believe this cabal has power ... then you lend them your power ... they have none .. and if everyone on the planet just said to themselves "these cabal are finished ...they have no power at all" .. that would complete it ... just give everyone on the planet the same thought and it would literally finish them

they only have power because they put everyone in FEAR of them ... if they think they can kill me then let them try .... I have had a 16 pound sledge hammer go right through my head on an oil fig ... hit directly to the forehead ... and somehow this spirit in me put my head back together ... and after washing out thick paste of blood all through my hair I found NO CUT ... NO BUMP .. NO HEADACHE .... as if NOTHING HAPPENED AT ALL and to this day I have NO IDEA what happened.

but it shocked the drilling crew so much they could not work around me anymore ,

from my own knowingness ,.. they will probably keep the planet safe ... they may align the poles and the ice will melt .. no more ice on the poles since there would be 24 hours sun on both poles .. the water around the earth might come up 675 feet ... so we will lose some coast lines but we would have 3 years to move before the ice melted .... but most of Europe would be underwater ... and most of the governments would have to move their capitals to higher ground ... it all depends on what they decide up there .... and that will be the greatest good ... they will do it so that there is the least loss in life from my own knowingness .. but this body can not see it ... but if the spirit in me can run a hurricane up the east coast that is the worst they had in history ,,, and NO ONE GOT KILLED

what do you think they can do???

I hope this answers your question
jim

jiminii
12th May 2013, 12:08
the Metteyyas have nothing to do with any current organizations ... they are part of the indigo's crystals and rainbow children ...
there is NO viewpoint that is mettreyya ... a viewpoint is the golden ball with a ring around it that everyone thinks is a spirit ... these viewpoints are only eyes for a real spirit ... I am sure none of these groups can even see one and if they could they wouldn't have any ability to know who is who in the spirit world

hope this answers your question
jim

Nothingness
12th May 2013, 12:18
Yes, right to be nervous - in my humble opinion, should the much-touted New World Order come to pass, it would be a no holds barred punch-up between Scientology and Odinism as to who would claim the crown as the religion that 9 out of 10 sociopaths prefer. My money is on Odinism, because that Thor can really kick butt, and there must be some kind of power in a lengthy history and in being formed for something other than a tax dodge. The scientologists win hands down in the mind control stakes though, as can often be seen, and there is the common currency of abuse to consider as well, so who knows how it will go? Certainly not I, and nor do I care, because the NWO has already failed, all dance cards for psychopaths are cancelled, but you know what? I still love them all. This is why they have lost, because there is a love within the human spirit that no amount of abuse can conquer.

Yes, Music, and blessings to all, too, but frankly, who asked Scientologists and Odinists to butt in anyway? You know? My feeling: Take a hike or get in line. Whatever. Everyone seems out to prove something or exploit to the max at the expense of humanity. Laughing. Somebody get the Lysol out and give it a good spray. Pee ew.

jiminii
12th May 2013, 12:20
the current CSI ... from my own knowingness .. it isn't the ideal scene LRH would have created ... but I do know that if they audited me I will be able to find out how LRH died exactly and if he was murdered I would also know too ... and if CSI wants to challenge this let them...using their own tech ... I can pull all the things they are withholding from anyone

hope this answers your question
jim

jiminii
12th May 2013, 12:26
I haven't told you anything about Scientology ... I go by source only ,.. I learned all my abilities from reading LRH books and practicing I have almost in total about 50 hours of auditing ... 25 from CSI ... 25 from free zone ... the only auditing that let me know what I needed to know and woke me up was from the free zone ,.

the class 12 auditor was very good
I am indebted to him after 40 years of no result from CSI
I hope this answers your questions
jim

Lifebringer
12th May 2013, 12:27
Read it again in about 3 months, it may make some sense. It the ability to occupy more than one body on other planets. The "ever reminding saga' of a twin on the planet. I've met people that say they've seen me before on facebook but with a different name and nationality. Oh well, my sister had twin boys before mentally breaking down, with a doctor in Canada(runaway underage prostitution pregnancy with Elite), and they tried to kill her when she, Mom and my brother were to go get the grandchildren. WE never saw them, knew them and it's Mother's day, so I think about them also, when they said the word "twins somewhere."

BTW HAPPY DIVIINE MOTHER'S DAY DIVAS OF DESTINY!
IT'S OUR TIME NOW TO NURTURE AND CORRECTLY PUNISH THOSE WHO WOULD DO THIS CORRUPT IMMORAL DEED OF HUMAN SEX TRAFFIC.
Ask the Divine Mother Planet Earth our Womb of Life choices, to help reveal these "hidden dark heartless souls, of immoral disdain for Women's choices equally as a soul."
"No second class souls here, and this is as it should be around the world, for a firm foundation of thought, not one sided power driven greed and destruction.

jiminii
12th May 2013, 13:16
the night before I joined Scientology the first time I was in my room in Hollywood half asleep my body asleep but spirit awake I suddenly find myself in the operations room of a UFO. My spirit is there ... no body ,,. no sound since there is no ears of a body but everything clear ... i look at the circular room with all the computer lights flashing and suddenly recall how to run every control in the ship when suddenly a gray got my attention. I turned and looked at him and from the clear lenses of his big black eyes I could see the lights of the computer flashing in these eyes ... and he spoke in telepathy ,, it is different than sound ,,, it s like he puts the sound in to my beingness ,,,, he said, "I am going to heal you ... " and he meant spiritually ,,, and I suddenly looked at a box to my right and I knew what he was going to do. this box can inspire whole languages into you or run pictures to change your future ,,,, and I suddenly realized I knew how to repair everything in the ship ..,. I turned and looked at him and said, "go ahead " and I was back in my room ,,, while on the ship I knew about the mission I was doing but back in the body all the information was gone including the knowledge of the ship but i remember everything else ,,, I find myself going to 21 countries after that almost miraculously ... even when I have no money ... it some how comes

I find myself in Japan and I put an ad in the english magazine about ET's and get a call from a canadian an he meets me at a train station ... I told him that i was an astral abduction and he says yes he has the info ... the info talked about the reptilians ... and the part about me being taken aboard by spirit not body and it said,
"we can not give you any data about this entity because it would endanger his mission .. but this spirit has the power to handle almost any catastrophe that can happen.

I found myself in san diego at a hot dog stand and I sat down at an outside table where an old lady was sitting and almost immediately we were talking about UFO's and she told me to go to a church where there is people like me .. I went there and they were doing healings with hands but not touching the body .... and outside I started to talk about the UFO abduction and suddenly everyone was asking questions like "was it an organic ship or a solid ship?" ... I kept looking at a girl in front of me and she said, " You were home weren't you?" ...
I said, ;"what?"
she said "you were home weren't you?"
and I said, "YES ... I was home .... " ... the reason i had no fear in the UFO is because it was my home ... and I knew how to run everything ..

she is about the only one I have found out here in this world that could say something like this and I get immediate knowingness

THIS GAME IS OURS ,,,, WE ARE MAKING IT ,,,

There is so much surety in me I know we have already won before we even started it ,,,, we are only now going through the actions of it ,,, Know yourself ,,, you put yourself here so you can experience it ,,,, decide how you want it to go ,,,, cancel out all the negative thoughts and watch it happen again and again and again and again and again.

then you will also have surety ,,, and nothing will stop you ever again.

hope this can let you free yourself of all the threats any cabal can put there ,,, they have practically ran out of threats ,,,

when they have completely exhausted their resources which is happening now ,.. they will not be able to pay anyone to threaten anyone again

hope this can answer your questions
jim

eaglespirit
12th May 2013, 13:20
this body can not see with these eyes what the spirit can see.
...

I KNOW this ... that this is being handled by the most powerful they have at this time .... and we have this power too ... if you can HOLD YOUR POSITION IN SPACE ... you can keep everything the way you want it to happen ... but if you believe that someone else is cause over it ... then you are effect ... you are only cause if you decide to be cause ...

if you believe this cabal has power ... then you lend them your power ... they have none .. and if everyone on the planet just said to themselves "these cabal are finished ...they have no power at all" .. that would complete it ... just give everyone on the planet the same thought and it would literally finish them

they only have power because they put everyone in FEAR of them ...

Hello Avalonians...Love To You All!

Just a strong suggestion, a very strong suggestion...take what YOU need from jiminii's sharing here and put it to use personally through Your Own Fruition and Power..and I do mean Power as is being brought out in the open...the more selfless and unconditionally loving Your Motives are...the MORE You will "cause" Beauty to be Created by You here on Mother Earth affecting/effecting Everything All Around.

I have been spreading the personal "creation" message lately repeatedly everywhere because I am getting a personal higher message that it is time right now for each of us to put our own creative and helpful energies in full gear...as we are on a momentum power slide of tremendous energy now...to change it all...what do YOU want Your Beautiful World To Be???? Make It Happen!!!!

This is NOT just hearsay anymore...
Create a Loving and Providing and Abundant World In Front of You!


Thank You Jiminii

ulli
12th May 2013, 14:14
Hi Jiminii. Hey, you didn't get much sleep last night.
Welcome to the forum. What you share here is all great news,
and yet not really news to many members of this forum since many here
have all had similar experiences. Some of us maybe not quite as powerful,
and our successes not as impressive as yours,
yet by forming small groups and friendships some of us have also managed to show the bad weather mongers who is boss.

The Force or Source or whatever one wants to call Goodness has decided to take charge again
and has always operated through many people of different religious and racial backgrounds...
Initially this created confusion, like "my God is bigger than your God"
but when studying the essence that confusion gives way to clarity.
All anyone has to do is tap into their heart energies now. The rest is easy.

Hey, you might want to meet Avalon member Rocky_Shorz who has quite a record, too, when it comes to miracles.
If the two of you can hit it off the rest of us can take a well deserved vacation.
It's Mothers Day after all.

What really happened on that day that poor Blossom Goodchild
had to apologize to the world for her "wrong" predictions?
That is a story I will share one day.

Many of us know stuff in the sense of the knowingness you mention,
and have shared our stories in the million posts that make up this forum.
We now just have to continue to form connective circles with each other.

It all starts with strong individuals first, such as yourself, who are empowered by Source directly,
and if they can then form small groups that then can form larger power clusters like this forum,
then we will ultimately take back the planet.

TPTB have been called here the PTW, the "powers that were",
pretty much since the inception of this great forum.
The mystery of time, once transcended, is solved. We have already won.
Your energy is fresh and helpful at this point in time.

If those who are still stuck in suffering mode can only see
that if they would only direct their energies towards improving their faith in the triumph of goodness
then we are there.
The guidance we are getting is all good, but the secret is about how we interpret it.
All interpretation is only a projection,
and reveals whether someone operates from the minds (divisive) or their hearts (unifying)
Real creative power rests with those who know that both are needed, and at what times.

Lifebringer
12th May 2013, 14:29
Mind and nature. Instinctual protection and foresight warnings, higherself guardians and watchers are all part of as Jesus described "Heavenly Kingdom of host" Some are just here fallen and there time is over/ideology over. All the "isms and phobic titled media fed fears" over. We are not the stereotyped tribe of dumbazz" they thought we were/would remain in their cheating game system. I'd do better playing a lottery, before relying on these crooked past millennial greed focused control empty hearted individuals.

Might as wait for mercy from a broken koo-koo clock shrilling the last nerve.:rolleyes:

jiminii
12th May 2013, 15:16
the miracles are way beyond my expectations
i thought I was a cowboy from Utah ... no more no less ,,, and the miracles kept happening
it didn't really start until the rain stopped between the 2 lights on hollywood blvd ,, after that one thought after another happens ,,, the problem then was ,,, "hey how do I manage these thoughts because the bad one's happen too" ,,, and it was getting dangerous ,,,
it all started in hollywood ,,, someone invited me to a Buddhist chant at someones house
I thought I would go there and see if any girls where there.
they told me i can get anything I want if I chanted this chant
well being on the road in the rain is no fun and when I left that house it started to rain
so I chanted and when I was thinking nothing about 15 minutes later the rain stopped
I thought it is just coincidence
get a girl ,, almost impossible ,,, got a girl the same day
then clear the sky and a hole appears above us that is blue and everything else is gray
stop the rain and it stops
so I tell this girl this until we are on hollywood blvd and she suddenly screams ,,, "you can't stop the rain it will stop anyway "
all that force hit me and i got a bit angry and said, "do you see that light over there"
she said, "yes"
I said, "do you see that light over there" and she said yes
I said I will stop the rain between those 2 lights
we turned and walked into a record store and i was chanting and then forgot it
was thumbing through the records ... and we walked out on the street 15 minutes later when I was thinking nothing
and there was no rain on the block but on the other side of both lights you could see the rain hitting the ground going east and west of those lights

I was shocked but I didn't show it to her ,, didn't even tell her about the chant

I kept thinking ... "a chant cant do this .... a chant can't do this" ... I am trained to repair the Navy computers aboard ship and everything has something that causes something else and this doesn't make sense. I thought "maybe a spirit can do it but not a chant" .. I wasn't praying to a god so I picked the right answer
I looked at what I did and saw I would make the decision to cause something and when I was thinking nothing it would happen again.
so I tried it without the chant ... and it worked again and again and again and again and again
we got a ride and he was going to mexico and asked us if we wanted to go
previous to this I told the girl we got to go to New York and I need a guitar
this man dropped us off in a housing part of long beach and went to get his girl friend and we didn't even know the main roads out of there
after waiting a few hours and the sun started to come up a car came by and I put my thumb out and he asked us to get in
we got in and next he is parking in front of a hock shop and asked me to come in....
we told him all these stories and we needed a guitar
and now he is asking me what guitar I wanted
I said, " oh no ... you don't have to buy me that"
he siad, "come on what guitar do you want?"
I looked and I could see he wasn't going to change his mind so I said "ok give me the 12 string guitar"
he drives us back to hollywood and gets some food at the supermarket and rents us a room and listens to us play music
then later goes home
in the morning I said "we have to go to New York now"
we checked to see how much money we had and it was 27 cents
she said, "we can't go to New York with 27 cents"
I said "don't worry don't ask anyone for anything they will just give it to us"
we hitched to Las Vegas and someone bought as a meal when we got there
someone took us out to the highway near the air force base and left us in the middle of the desert
black clouds everywhere and no place to get out of the rain if it came down
she said "it is going to rain"
I said, "it won't rain until we get in a car"
a car was coming and speeding up more and more and more
he must have been going 100 mph when he past by us and his brake lights came on
it took us about 500 yards to get to the car
she gets in the car and I get into the car
the instant the door closes rain hits the windshield
and the man looks at us in complete surprise and says, "I've never picked up a hitch hiker in my life"
all the way to New York people were feeding us and taking us to some party in town ,,
we were coming into a mideastern town and she whispers in my ear, "I am hungry"
I whisper back, "don't worry ... don't ask anyone ...we'll be ok"
we were coming close to a drivein hamburger shop and we had another car coming from the opposite direction
something caused my head to snap to the driver
and something caused the driver to turn and look at me
before he could finish asking the question I was answering
it was as if the spirits talked so fast the bodies could not even keep up with the conversation
are you ... yes ... hungry
do you want .... sounds great ... something to eat
and he had an instant of time to pull in the drivein before the car would get too close to turn and he whips the car into the drivein
he gives us double cheeseburgers malts and large fries the works
and then he says this is where he lives
we walked across the street and stuck our hands out and the first car that came stopped
we opened the door and the cowboy said, "are you kids hungry ... I want to buy you a steak"
we said, "oh no we are ok
all the way to the next town he is saying he wants to give us a steak
we were too full of food to get anything in our belly's
we got to the next town and there was a truck stop and he said, "there's a truck stop ... I am going to buy you a steak"
I said, "oh I want country gravy on bread ...and she said she wanted desert
we ate and he drove us to the mississippi river and said "here is 10 bucks ... get a hotel and have a good sleep"
I said, "no we are ok"
he siad, "come on... take the 10 bucks"
I said "no we ....
he said, "god damn it take the 10 bucks"
and shoved it in my hands
I said,"oh ok ... thanks ""
this happens all the way to New York" and when we got there we never asked for anything and was fed all the way and had 27 dollars when we got there.

so the rest of this story started here
and it changed and I needed to learn how to control these thoughts and there wasn't any books I knew that could help me

I can start a new thread if you like on the miracles
jim

jiminii
12th May 2013, 15:23
it has nothing to do with fallen ... you are here because they had a war and you were in the wrong place at the right time and are just so so lucky to be here on the first planet that will be used to change the entire universe to what it should have been with all the pain removed

jim

Hervé
12th May 2013, 16:35
I haven't told you anything about Scientology ... I go by source only ,.. I learned all my abilities from reading LRH books and practicing I have almost in total about 50 hours of auditing ... 25 from CSI ... 25 from free zone ... the only auditing that let me know what I needed to know and woke me up was from the free zone ,.

the class 12 auditor was very good
I am indebted to him after 40 years of no result from CSI
I hope this answers your questions
jim

Correct me if I am wrong, but there aren't that many LRH-trained, practicing class 12 auditors left. I only know of two and one is in a female body.

jiminii
12th May 2013, 16:52
I was audited by trey in spring of 2011 in los angeles

I hope this answers your question

jim

Hervé
12th May 2013, 17:32
Excerpts (fair use) from various LRH lectures which give other ways to "occupy" more than one body:



Body in pawn: Something floating in fluid or under an electronic -- constant electronic bath. You'll find these described: They're lying on a pallet or something of the sort; the body is completely motionless. And at the foot of this will be something that looks like a window, and it's not a window. (This is at the origin of most of these abductions stories...)

Occasionally you'll run into a place where they're holding a body in pawn. That is, a body is held here, and it is hypnotized or knocked out and the person is told that he belongs here but must go over here and live. You know, a guy in Afghanistan is hypnotized and they say: "Now you live in Bremerton, Washington" and he'd go to Bremerton, Washington; he's under compulsion. A hypnotist will hypnotize somebody and make him travel or astral walk. Hypnotists know about this. Well, they didn't realize you could do it with magnitude, and you can. You can almost move the whole individual out.


Let me tell you some of the things that can be done to a human being, and understand that I am still talking about theta bodies because there's not any difference except a human being and his mind as he exists today - Homo Sapiens - it's just more of them.

You can hypnotize a human being or drug a human being and move him as a theta body, in all or in part, to remote distances and have him observe or act or communicate and move back to his body again. This has many descriptive phrases such as "astral walking". The point is that you can actually hypnotize yourself, this is one theta body hypnotizing another theta body inside yourself and send that other theta body off to some vast distance and observe something and have it come back and so on.

This is very common. Your hypnotist knows this manifestation very well. These are very elementary, quite well known manifestations. Self hypnosis is one line hypnotizing another line - in you.


A theta (Ɵ) body can be hypnotized, can be put to sleep, can go to sleep, can be made to forget, can be given hypnotic suggestions, can be lowered on the Tone Scale, raised on the Tone Scale, can have its identity blotted out. In Fac One (implant incident), for instance, the waves that are hitting are hitting a MEST (Matter-Energy-Space-Time) body and piling up, but where they are really piling up is against the outer shell of the theta body. And that MEST body is long dead and you're no longer even vaguely connected with the somatic evolutionary line of those bodies you had in Fac One, but you're still packing this with the theta body and it's still aberrative.


In other words, that the theta body can be aberrated by electronic fields, by drugs, by other contact against the MEST body or against itself. It can be handled, actually, when it's by itself, only with heavy electronic fields. Nothing can hit it.

A body in pawn utilizes not the thetan but ridges. They'll take a thetan and they'll build up ridges; and these ridges will act like personalities, and because their wavelength is known, they can be monitored.

So you'll very often run into entities. And there are a certain number of entities and they're in a certain order and so on, and they act like beings in a person, but they are not beings. And you want to know how to get rid of an entity. (see book "What to Audit" = SCN A History of Man)

How do you get rid of an entity? You simply find out where that entity is located in the body geographically. Your next step is to find out where the entity is stuck on the Time Track (psycho). And you'll find out that it's some sort of an incident having to do with a body in pawn, it'll be a between-lives implant; it'll be something on this order.

It may be that you will find that the person during an operation has suddenly conceived that he is dead, has reported back in; he obviously was not dead, and what they did was layout one of his ridges - which he took right along with him, of course - lay onto one of his ridges the fact that he mustn't know and mustn't tell (incident at the dentist chair when LRH's heart stopped and was feared to be dead when a teenager. He came back to life with the words "Don't let him know" hanging in his mind).

Very often, when he appeared back in a body with the violence of pain of an accident or something of this sort, he killed the body in pawn to which he was very nebulously attached while he was here.

Mars: They're guilty of tremendous overt acts themselves. They've got a holding operation; they have no method of attacks (Their fleet of space ships was knocked down by the fifth invader force: the tales from India and the dragons in the skies). They have been influencing via the mind for so long that they've actually lost initiative to do anything else. Some guard has been walking past some cell where there's a body in pawn, and all of a sudden this body stirs. Bodies are not supposed to do that. So he says: "Oh oh, somebody just died." But it doesn't stir the way a body stirs when it just died. Probably a few years ago they said: "Oh, some damn hypnotist... Nobody will believe him anyway." They didn't do too much about it. But that's not the case here in the last year or so. They've been fascinated.

You'll find an occasional body in pawn from the 5th Invader Force and when you do, it'll be on a different proposition because it's monitored by consent; the guy is here with a comm line set up. And he's almost in a state of knowingness concerning exactly where he came from and what he's doing. Bodies in pawn both on Mars and on Venus are monitored electronically.

You can take a preclear and coax him to knock off a body in pawn. It's really not much of a shock because, you see, he's not in that body. He's just nebulously monitored by that body, because somebody can walk in, stir up the body, give the body a command, and he himself will perceive the command. This is a relay system of ridges (like radio transmitter, see Robert Duncan (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56002-Must-Read-The-Matrix-Deciphered-by-Dr-Robert-Duncan)).

Now, if you get rid of one of those things, run out the point where the ridge is stuck on the time track. You just run it out as an incident. You ask the preclear (not yet at the state of "Clear") to move into that area of his body and push on through the incident as though it happened to him. And he will tell you in a moment or two: "But this didn't happen to me; this is just lying there." Up to that time he thought it happened to him. It didn't really. What it was, was a facsimile (artificial or actual recorded memory, see Robert Duncan (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56002-Must-Read-The-Matrix-Deciphered-by-Dr-Robert-Duncan) for the artificial part) laid down on one of his ridges. And you will find that as many as 5 or more bodies in pawn are being held here and there throughout the universe for one preclear.

As far as a theta being very badly implanted is concerned, how can you implant an energy unit? It's a question in which you should be awfully interested. Because you can't. You can give it some ridges, but it can always move out from amongst these ridges.

And merely as an aside, in order to protect your preclear against suddenly having nightmares or something of the sort - regardless of whether you believe it or not or place any credence in it or not - just encourage him to knock off those bodies that he has that are extra bodies elsewhere. It's not that it's merely upsetting to the Martian's regime; it is not that it is very effective in restoring his health, but you certainly cannot expect an individual who is pinned down someplace and can be put under pain from a remote distance, to become clear (PTS... the SPs being "out there") So just encourage him to knock them off. All they do is use the phenomenon of ridges you see, and they throw a facsimile into play on that ridge, and the person can be monitored.

Now, the most horrible of the entities is the stomach area entity, because it's in conflict with the GE. This entity is quite often responsible for nervous stomachs and so forth. (reason why "fear" is perceived as being "food" for the controllers)

Now, for instance, the body in pawn, which will have something to do with this Stomach entity - the stomach entity has become so terrified, they will actually go along and just kick it or shove needles into it or something, to make a pain shock come down and hit somebody here on Earth. (the origin of "Black Magic," voodoo, etc...). You can keep a body alive (or parts of one... Arsclycus) for an awful long time under these conditions - you'll find people who've had bodies in pawn for some 10,000 years. They go up and give this body just a little bit of a tremble, of course, and it just comes completely to pieces.

Well, now, as far as reality of this stuff is concerned, it has not generally been accepted here on Earth that such things existed. But I noticed that we have what's known as science fiction here on Earth. And, noticing it many, many years ago, I thought "This is good gag", so I wrote lots of it. You wouldn't dare write real science fiction - not real science fiction. Nobody's guts could take it, that's all there is to that.

Bill Ryan
12th May 2013, 17:46
I was audited by trey in spring of 2011 in los angeles

I hope this answers your question

jim

Clarification: I assume that this is Trey Lotz, who (according to his website (http://treylotz.thetasites.com/)) is a Class 8. I do not know him personally.

Note: I should add the following:


A Class 8 is still an extremely highly trained and demonstrably capable auditor.
Ron's Org, which may readers may know I have been working with (and have received immense benefit from) for 25 years, does not make significant use of this particular auditor classification, which was originated in the Church of Scientology.

Bill Ryan
12th May 2013, 18:05
it has nothing to do with fallen ... you are here because they had a war and you were in the wrong place at the right time and are just so so lucky to be here on the first planet that will be used to change the entire universe to what it should have been with all the pain removed

jim

Amen to that! :)

jiminii
12th May 2013, 18:21
yes but he was doing the L's on some PC's there and peter Gilliam was sending me there along with my friend and i was told he was a class 12 FSO trained auditor off loaded from FSO for missing David Miscavage withholds ... Peter Gilliam was forced to do and pay for the truth rundown that was created by DM and it was to find any withholds he has on DM ... that is what I was told the truth rundown is.

The Royal Wizard
12th May 2013, 18:50
For us not familiar with terminology...could you explain what this class 8,9...12 auditing is all about?

all the best

TRW

Hervé
12th May 2013, 19:08
yes but he was doing the L's on some PC's there and peter Gilliam was sending me there along with my friend and i was told he was a class 12 FSO trained auditor off loaded from FSO for missing David Miscavage withholds ... Peter Gilliam was forced to do and pay for the truth rundown that was created by DM and it was to find any withholds he has on DM ... that is what I was told the truth rundown is.

If I understand what you mean correctly, Trey was offloaded because he missed his PCs withholds with respect to Miscavige... Miscavige himself hasn't had any auditing in ages... wouldn't let anyone audit him which is a key indicator of what he actually is.

Thanks for the clarification on the "Truth Rundown," understanding why Rinder and Rathbun called their whistle blowing by the same name.


PS: Welcome to Avalon, BTW. Glad to have you and your contributions on board :)!

christian
12th May 2013, 19:28
if a person was to go back to the first creation of anything in the physical universe and view it's first immediate creation that thing or object he was viewing would disappear. He said it violates a law that no 2 things can occupy the same space. He says anything that is created must be altered from it's original creation in order to persist and that you must not look at the original creation or the entire creation would disappear.

I love that idea. So trying to look at the original creation is like chasing one's tail without the hope of ever getting there, I figure. A lot of intelligent and curious people have been caught up in this—what's the origin of it all—but the point is to get into the flow and just live and thus find out what can be found out, that's why I tend to think.


if you believe this cabal has power ... then you lend them your power ... they have none .. and if everyone on the planet just said to themselves "these cabal are finished ...they have no power at all" .. that would complete it ... just give everyone on the planet the same thought and it would literally finish them

Of course. But how does that compute with 70+ percent being GE's?


With 70 or more percent of the earths population that basically have only GE's in them, it would be literally impossible to remove the reptilians from the planet. There would be too many that are controlled by the disinformation of mass media and just agree to it.

Seriously, 70+ percent of people are merely like androids or what? I used to think that an abundance of beings would like to experience life on Earth, why wouldn't they just use all the bodies here?

But if your information is correct, could it be that the people who helped you to move through the US, who got you food and stuff and took you to places, did so because they were GE's and open to be used in a way by people who are more than just GE's? Sounds a bit creepy, but that thought just crossed my mind...


I can start a new thread if you like on the miracles

I'd like that!


There is so much surety in me I know we have already won before we even started it ,,,, we are only now going through the actions of it ,,, Know yourself ,,, you put yourself here so you can experience it ,,,, decide how you want it to go ,,,, cancel out all the negative thoughts and watch it happen again and again and again and again and again.

then you will also have surety ,,, and nothing will stop you ever again.

hope this can let you free yourself of all the threats any cabal can put there ,,, they have practically ran out of threats ,,,

when they have completely exhausted their resources which is happening now ,.. they will not be able to pay anyone to threaten anyone again

That's how I feel, too. :tea:

jiminii
12th May 2013, 19:36
Trey ran the commands in the time track of theta on me ... this is "who is holding your aberations in place?"
and then you will locate all of the other bodies that you are running, and locate within a fraction of a inch the distance they are
he also asked me if LRH was one of my other bodies ... I don't remember the exact question ... I was afraid to say yes
because i really don't want to be him ... and the truth is I am not him ... he is the viewpoint LRH and I am ME ... I located Siddhartha Gautama and ran all his pictures and he is still in bodies on the planet and can be located ... but LRH can not be located ... it was when I realized he is somewhere in the future that I could locate him. If you just looked you can find him ... but I have no idea what auditing command you would use. I answered "yes I am one of LRH's bodies" and got a floating needle

as for OT abilities it was I who came to the bolivar ship with the purpose of opening up higher OT levels ... and while on the ship people from up lines came on the ship and announced that LRH just opened up 8 new OT levels ... and they personally sat with me and said, "we are glad you are here"

now LRH didn't have those OT levels ... he was never given them ... I was suppose to release them ... and they are not admin levels like captain bill left us.

I actually had to demo those OT levels ... by driving the stats up 4 times in 4 different orgs to highest evers to prove it but NO ONE COULD HAVE IT

at FSO I picked the weeks I would run them I wrote LRH ... Highest ever GI this week and we got the hghest every GI since 1979 .. then I picked another week to do it and wrote him again highest evers cross the boards .. and the captain of FSO got up and said, "I don['t think Flag has had a week like this ever ... every single stat every single post every single division highest evers" and this would crash me because I knew I could never get off my wins
so I went to AOSH ANZO next and got highest ever GI three weeks in a row on the weeks I picked and last week cross the boards ... and because I had mentioned to a missionaire that I could do stuff like this ... I was off loaded. the fourth week their stats went exactly down to where it was when I started the postulate in emergency trend

the first time I did it was 1971 when I drew a chart of what the GI was going to be in FOLO WUS ... I drew a line 4 notches up one down and 5 more up from there
the guy asked me why I made it come down one notch and I said, "how we going to prove we did the postulate if we don't plot the weeks the way we want."
the next 10 weeks were exactly what the graph looked like and you could lay my graph down on theirs and they matched exactly
this is when LRH said the stats went up the wall and down the other side
the second time was the birthday game of 1979 ... I ran it straight up until our org asho day won the birth day game ... then after we won I wanted to prove if it was me.... I would postulate the first half of the week and the first half would be doubled and last half would be down .. every other day and it happened
wait until wednesday night and have all the sates come in on thursday morning before 2 pm and it happened ... every combination I could think happened including crash the stats to prove these postulates where mine ... they all happened ... they put me in charge of taking care of a 10 year old declared SP for weeks so I routed out

now I know I can be challenged on any of this ... my body can't see what I am doing ,.. but the postulates kept happening ... I could be in Japan and start up the wind with a flow while making a hand motion that kind of shows I was trying to get the wind to start and the wind would start up then put some clouds in and it happened and then by the end of the day a full size typhoon would be coming across the island and I would then try to slow it down and another typhoon is coming right behind that and slowed down so slow it took 3 days to cross the island and literally flooded the entire island ... .... the point is this .... if all this is right ... then you would have a way to locate LRH ... but the free zone already tried it ... where is he ???

I say this was the most ingenious plan I have ever heard of ... and I remember the free being tape by LRH ... when he said, "if we hadn't of waited so long ... if we hadn't of waited so long .... we wouldn't be in so much trouble ... and also in that free being tape he said something like when you got a blazing fire on your hands you don't stop to handle a few cockroaches ... this is not exact words ... but he didn't look at the governments on this planet as much of a threat

so he is talking about the thing that happens 367 years from now when the entire galaxy is taken over and in complete terror

so if no one wants to look then fine ... but what else could be so disastrous that he would say the governments here are just a thorn in the toe something like that ... what???? what else can be that threatening???

you just have to look and you can KNOW IT

jim

jiminii
12th May 2013, 19:52
an auditor is someone trained in LRH tech that take a person back to his present or past live times to find out what happened to find the truth and erase the bad effects it has caused the person
the highest trained auditor is a class 12 ... and there are more below that
each handles different things that could have happened to the person
jim

Hervé
12th May 2013, 19:52
For us not familiar with terminology...could you explain what this class 8,9...12 auditing is all about?

all the best

TRW

Check this glossary of SCN terms: http://www.xenu-directory.net/glossary/glossary_a.htm

jiminii
12th May 2013, 19:58
a lot of high class auditors were being off loaded ... I can't really say the exact reason .. this was was told to me by someone else

jiminii
12th May 2013, 20:07
With 70 or more percent of the earths population that basically have only GE's in them, it would be literally impossible to remove the reptilians from the planet. There would be too many that are controlled by the disinformation of mass media and just agree to it.

Seriously, 70+ percent of people are merely like androids or what? I used to think that an abundance of beings would like to experience life on Earth, why wouldn't they just use all the bodies here?

I was near the complex in Hollywood and they asked us to go to a room to get a briefing of something LRH wanted us to know and it would ;only be given once that day. I read from LRH this ... LRH was afraid we would ;not be able to clear the planet because a large percentage of the planet are minions ... no greater than the trees and the plants .... now ... this was a long time ago so I assume if we are 7 billion now ... that it probably is around 70 percent or more.

jim

Rahkyt
12th May 2013, 20:12
500 years ago was the last war in the stars and it was decided by that government that anyone who had any power at all was too dangerous and too unpredictable so they trapped all the most powerful on these prison planets. Now that society up there is in trouble because these most powerful and I mean beings that could literally play baseball using planets as the balls, were running the universe and now there is no one up there to run it. it is running itself. so they are really interested in getting some of these rehabilitated but the problem is ... they are not going to come down here to salvage us and be trapped themselves... and they are not going to land their space ships in large populations and accidentally wake up one of these most powerful either ...

I resonated VERY strongly to this statement. I experience it as truth. My body and energetic sheath went wild for a bit. I read parts of Dianetics many years ago but have never really delved into Scientology much. Thank you for sharing this information and your mission here. I look forward to observing the thread as it progresses.

jiminii
12th May 2013, 20:18
But if your information is correct, could it be that the people who helped you to move through the US, who got you food and stuff and took you to places, did so because they were GE's and open to be used in a way by people who are more than just GE's? Sounds a bit creepy, but that thought just crossed my mind...

you are a spirit with infinite potential ... and a spirit can run GE's but a GE can not run a spirit .... so if you can do what I did at FSO you are powerful enough to run both and make your thoughts happen you just got to study the phoenix lectures and practice ... then a few of us can run 79 percent ... at one time you were running whole galaxies .. and this is just one small planet ... it takes removing all these considerations that a meat body has and decide to be what your are
jim

Hervé
12th May 2013, 20:36
a lot of high class auditors were being off loaded ... I can't really say the exact reason .. this was was told to me by someone else

They were offloaded because most of them realized that the so-called "Golden Age of Tech" was an alteration of the original LRH Tech and refused to comply with Miscavige's order to redo their TRs and Metering Courses... in a nutshell.

Hervé
12th May 2013, 20:42
I was near the complex in Hollywood and they asked us to go to a room to get a briefing of something LRH wanted us to know and it would ;only be given once that day. I read from LRH this ... LRH was afraid we would ;not be able to clear the planet because a large percentage of the planet are minions ... no greater than the trees and the plants .... now ... this was a long time ago so I assume if we are 7 billion now ... that it probably is around 70 percent or more.

jim

Would you be able to provide the date of that briefing?

Anchor
12th May 2013, 22:54
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There are too many MFing acronyms in use on this MFing thread!!! (Read that in Samuel L Jackson's voice :) )

There appear to be a number of Scientology cognoscenti on this thread that can read it, but I can't and its probably because I have no real background knowledge in Scientology.

It makes it very hard to get a handle on what is being said. It looks like I just walked into a club by accident, I know no-one here and where some new person has shown up and is going through a process of establishing credibility, but I can't really tell that is what is happening and if its being achieved.

For example: what do these ones translate to: PC, GE, AOSH, ANZO, GI, SP, FOLO, WUS, FSO ? ( from http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59041-LRH--L.-Ron-Hubbard-&p=673154&viewfull=1#post673154 )

Glad to say I'm not completely dumb - I do know what LRH and OT refer to.

Please expand the acronyms at least once per use (the topic title is a good example!)

bruno dante
12th May 2013, 23:31
Where does Buzz Lightyear fit into all of this?

jiminii
13th May 2013, 00:43
Would you be able to provide the date of that briefing?

maybe in the late 80's but I don't remember ,,.. they were getting people they knew and it ended up in a recruit cycle so I left

Christine
13th May 2013, 00:51
Thank you Anchor,

I have been around a number of people trained in the church of Scientology and part of the Free Zone. I inevitably need to remind them that the acronyms are separatist and elitist in their nature. Once you become familiar with the jargon it isn't such a problem. There is a smacking of arrogance in using these abbreviations without definition though I am sure our OP doesn't intend it to come across that way.

So I join you in asking for definitions and/ or plain language. I am glad to say that I am not completely dumb either. :)


---

There are too many MFing acronyms in use on this MFing thread!!! (Read that in Samuel L Jackson's voice :) )

There appear to be a number of Scientology cognoscenti on this thread that can read it, but I can't and its probably because I have no real background knowledge in Scientology.

It makes it very hard to get a handle on what is being said. It looks like I just walked into a club by accident, I know no-one here and where some new person has shown up and is going through a process of establishing credibility, but I can't really tell that is what is happening and if its being achieved.

For example: what do these ones translate to: PC, GE, AOSH, ANZO, GI, SP, FOLO, WUS, FSO ? ( from http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59041-LRH--L.-Ron-Hubbard-&p=673154&viewfull=1#post673154 )

Glad to say I'm not completely dumb - I do know what LRH and OT refer to.

Please expand the acronyms at least once per use (the topic title is a good example!)

jiminii
13th May 2013, 01:04
what do these ones translate to: PC, GE, AOSH, ANZO, GI, SP, FOLO, WUS, FSO ? ( from http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59041-LRH--L.-Ron-Hubbard-&p=673154&viewfull=1#post673154 )
PC is preclear .. someone who is getting processing and/or training in Scientology
GE I have answered in the second writeup ... is a ghost created by a spirit to animate matter given a personality like lion or tiger or some life form ... it manages the body and heart beat ... all life forms have one to create life ... GE = Genetic Entity
AOSH ANZO is Advanced Orgs Saint Hill in Australia and gives the Advance courcses and processing teaches people how to audit which is a process to take someone back into there past to find the truth
GI is Gross Income for the week how much money they make in a week
SP is suppressive person .. someone who tries suppress others
FOLO WUS is Flag Organization Liason office Western United States manages the organizations in western US
FSO is Flag Service Org in Florida .. that gives the upper levels of Scientology
FLag is a word used to mean the Flagship when LRH was working from a ship that was the Flagship and there were other ships in copenhagen and USA

CdnSirian
13th May 2013, 02:03
There are billions of parallel realities. You are talking about one of them. And, yes, it is indeed "real".

How about a separate part of the forum for "scientology" "ex-scientology" "LRH" "Golden Age of Tech" and all things related. Throw in "Class 12's", et al related.

Call it distraction?

I am very sorry for stepping on anyone's toes here. But this forum is way beyond all this thread.

Let me tell you, if someone wanted to pay me for my time, and if I didn't have the next month's rent, I could be tempted to write a lot about these topics.

If I were willing.

See what I'm saying?

And, Jimini, I am sorry to you, but please understand. If you are not here as a distraction, I ask you, please understand.

If you have read much of this forum, you will understand.

I always love to be wrong in these responses. But I have been around the block with this stuff.

enfoldedblue
13th May 2013, 03:52
There are billions of parallel realities. You are talking about one of them. And, yes, it is indeed "real".

I agree.

LOVE ALLways, c

Aviator
13th May 2013, 05:01
I have been around a number of people trained in the church of Scientology and part of the Free Zone. I inevitably need to remind them that the acronyms are separatist and elitist in their nature. Once you become familiar with the jargon it isn't such a problem. There is a smacking of arrogance in using these abbreviations without definition though I am sure our OP doesn't intend it to come across that way.

So I join you in asking for definitions and/ or plain language. I am glad to say that I am not completely dumb either.


I agree, It's a matter of responsibility to make sure that members with no specific Scientology background can understand these stories and concepts. It's actually a major part of LRH's teachings to make sure, that ALL words regarding a certain subject are completely understood and no misunderstandings appear.
In my opinion, the subject does fit in this forum very well. It just has to be explained a little better. And it's not necessary to use the specific acronyms all the time...

Paul
13th May 2013, 05:55
Would you be able to provide the date of that briefing?

maybe in the late 80's but I don't remember ,,.. they were getting people they knew and it ended up in a recruit cycle so I left

Hi Jim,

I modified the last few of your posts on this thread, to show a quote of the post you were responding to. Sometimes that helps readers understand your reply.

A hint for readers:


You can (sometimes) see to what post someone was responding by clicking on the "Parent Post" link, below and to the right side of a post.

A hint for jiminii:


You can show a quote of the post you're responding to by clicking on the "Reply With Quote" button instead of the "Reply" button. This will pre-fill your response with the properly formatted quotation. Just add your reply in the box, below the already formatted
... material.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program :).

Tangri
13th May 2013, 06:15
I have some questions.



You said
"since about 70 or more percent of the planet are only minions, (servants, GE's)
as for the pole shifts that may occur???

well they haven't decided yet. we have 70 percent of the planet full of disinformation created by the cabal that are of no real value with the exception of manufacturing abilities that can all be replaced and the planet needs to be clean and one fast and easy way would be to have a pole shift and rearrange the planet."
If I am one of the 70% and I will be cleaned from the this reality why should I bother my self
If in possible/alternative future

"367 years in the future the reptilians on this planet turned the entire galaxy into a living terror. This started from the take over of this planet earth at this time in history. So the technology was created to undo all of this "

If I am a servant and expandable why should I care and help you to clean or correct yours past mistakes at an another dimension.

2-"In fact they have spirit beings being sent back to all the important events in history to correct it, (vanish it's creations). By vanishing all these creations by sending millions of new spirit beings here with no karma and infinite potential with no past experience to limit their ability to expand they will raise the vibration of the planet and this will align the negative thought and physical universe causing it to change it's future from happening, and all of it can be controlled from the future.
This game is over. It is a very painful game, and it is causing ill effects on other systems too far away to even know about and everyone agrees it is a never ending painful game.
So this game is being undone in the future.
Siddhartha Gautama is still in a body on the planet, but LRH is not ... he returned to the future untraceable ...when he(LRH) died he want back to the future and that is why no one can find him
"
In that way if future is undone now he vanished in limbo.

3-"Therefore a spirit and all the spirits in this physical universe can not look at the first creation of anything he created or that creation would vanish. This is a universe of agreement. We all agree to the laws so we can operate in it."

If your spirit looking what you created at first day of the your ability to test you can undone future, wouldn't vanish it now?

4-"Yes these powerful spirits made mistakes but they didn't become effect of it ... they just would find better ways to operate ... "

they didn't become effect of it because they do not have experience (ability to learn from mistakes) and no responsibilities for affects others.
5-"the negative entities could also obtain those abilities but they are so deep in negativity they have no ability to LOOK."

If they have those abilities they could go more back in the past and undo anything what your kind did.
I think nothing can chance your kind's suffering in your future what they did is create another alternate reality and future.

CdnSirian

Avalon Member
Join Date
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Re: LRH (L. Ron Hubbard)
There are billions of parallel realities. You are talking about one of them. And, yes, it is indeed "real".

I agree with CdnSirian maybe your visitor or passenger is from different dimension,
where/when you are here now has unwritten future. Sorry for your lost addition to my 70% servant walkers. Also making GE inferiority for the spirit is a mistake.
I have audited by Buyuk Yasli class 23 and confirmed my protector duty for earthly entities. and I am not worried ( like LRH)about if there is another Tangri on another body on Earth doing protector's duty it makes my job a part time.

Flash
13th May 2013, 06:28
---

There are too many MFing acronyms in use on this MFing thread!!! (Read that in Samuel L Jackson's voice :) )

There appear to be a number of Scientology cognoscenti on this thread that can read it, but I can't and its probably because I have no real background knowledge in Scientology.

It makes it very hard to get a handle on what is being said. It looks like I just walked into a club by accident, I know no-one here and where some new person has shown up and is going through a process of establishing credibility, but I can't really tell that is what is happening and if its being achieved.

For example: what do these ones translate to: PC, GE, AOSH, ANZO, GI, SP, FOLO, WUS, FSO ? ( from http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59041-LRH--L.-Ron-Hubbard-&p=673154&viewfull=1#post673154 )

Glad to say I'm not completely dumb - I do know what LRH and OT refer to.

Please expand the acronyms at least once per use (the topic title is a good example!)

and on some of the basic concepts too please.

Do not forget either that many of us are not anglo saxons. Language and definitely acronyms may be a barrier as well as culture, including the scientology culture.

What means OT?

The Royal Wizard
13th May 2013, 09:18
I just wonder.....who are these powerfull spirits, what are they doing to day, how can I spot one if I wanted to?
The way things are presented here, it all seems like a big game to me with only a few knowing the rules of the game and the rest of us as stupid dumb slaves. That doesn't sound very lovely to me. In fact, maybe the best thing to do is to forget about all these theoris/facts and go on living, with or without a bunch of bodies I may, or may not, know nothing about, carry water and chop some wood so to speak. After all, if I should happen to be one of those powerfull spirits, "they" will not see me awake anyway, so why bother ;-) Who are "they" by the way, holding the worlds destiny in their hands and not consulting those in question.

Or have I not catched the clue here? If not, why do I have this curious feeling that I'm not alone.

All the best, as always :-)

TRW

Padmé
13th May 2013, 09:31
Interesting thread... in many ways... Especially interesting to know how many Scientologists there are on this forum...

My beepers are buzzing... dont mind me while I take a step back cautiously ;)

Oh and Buyuk Yasli... Big Old? Very Old? Turkish?

Paul
13th May 2013, 09:35
What means OT?
Apparently it means (in this context) Operating Thetan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_Thetan).

On some other threads here, it would mean Old Testament (of the Bible).

jiminii
13th May 2013, 09:43
It wasn't my intention to get into the discussion of Scientology. I only go there to correct some data only. LRH has the basics done. The only thing I need is these following items.

1.The basic creation of the physical universe
2, the parts of man ..
a the spirit
b the viewpoint that the spirit creates to view into the physical universe with or without a body
c. the ghost or GE Genetic entity that grows the body and manages the body
d the body
e. spirit with memory banks it creates 60 pictures a second of everything it can sense body or mind or anything else
f. the spirit without memory banks who operates off knowing

now this is all I need from LRH books ... I have tested everything I read and I know it works and I can prove all of it.

I am trying to tell the story of metteyya because I am a viewpoint of metteyya
I am trying to get you the data anyone can use to be able to cause things to happen with their thoughts

I am sorry that we have a lot of minions on this planet ... but I proved that one spirit can manage a group of spirits and minions with pure intention and make it happen

this is what we need to get people working on
not all the confusions of the entire library of LRH ...
I did it with only learning the basics and making it happen in the physical universe

I am living proof the tech works and it is not complex ... because if you can get the basics to work the spirit in you will know the rest.

I am living proof we are the gods that operate and make this physical universe work
we are not total knowing ... if we were we would not be able to see this universe
you have to not know what this universe is to see it

so we are less than gods but still gods

and all you got to do is remind yourself of what you were before you came here and the spirit in you will do the rest.

that is what happened to me when the rain stopped between the 2 lights

that is what OT hatting is on the ship OT is operating thetan ...

in OT hatting they try to get you to do a miracle to remind you of what you were before in the stars and it kicks in the god that is in you and your thoughts start to happen

this is all I am trying to do ...
I am trying to make it simple for yu to kick in the god in you so that you will be so sure of yourself that nothing ;can pull you down again\

we don't have to get into an endless philosophy to do this

we just got to get our spirits to cognite where we need them to cognnite to kick in this god and get you back in business like you were before you came here.

that is all

jim

jiminii
13th May 2013, 09:59
the gods are in you ... whether you can see anything or not ... what you are doing in the spiritual universe would probably shock the daylights out to see how much game you really are playing now I will give you an example of how to do something

I see some things in the news ... and I want those people caught and jailed ..... so I just look across the land my mind and get the idea of connecting these bad entities to the ones who will catch them and jail them ... I connect them together in the spiritual universe ... and the next thing I notice in the news is these good guy found these bad guys almost by accident and they were caught and jailed

it I see it happen after I put the thought I take a win ... at least I am part creator of it

the more wins I can get the more poweful I get too


jim

The Royal Wizard
13th May 2013, 10:14
But often, the "bad" guy is really the good guy, and the "good" guy is really the crook (aka police, and three-letter agancy). What have you done then? Contributed to arrest the one that should have been free?

And I still please want answers to my questions.

All the best

TRW

Padmé
13th May 2013, 10:20
I see some things in the news ... and I want those people caught and jailed ..... so I just look across the land my mind and get the idea of connecting these bad entities to the ones who will catch them and jail them ... I connect them together in the spiritual universe ... and the next thing I notice in the news is these good guy found these bad guys almost by accident and they were caught and jailed



Hey, that's amazing!!! Might be worth having ago on some world leaders, bankers etc... Lets get some proper crims caught :)

jiminii
13th May 2013, 10:45
It wasn't my intention to get into scientology discussion ... I am trying to tell the story of metteyya which I am one of metteyyas viepoints ... but to tell this story I need to give some basic information on the creation of this universe ... and what are the parts of a being now in a body ,,, just basic stuff
then they will be able to understand the story of metteyya ... I am trying to kick in the gods that are in everyone ... they do this in the OT (operating thetan)
hatting courses ... they get you to create real miracles and remind you of who you were before you came here ... this is what happened to me when I stopped the rain between 2 lights ... I mean seeing that right after I said I would do it .... there is no way it could be an accident ... and I can teach everyone how to get this going somehow ... so you can see the god in you is real and working

I created a new thread called metteyya

him

jiminii
13th May 2013, 10:56
the 70 percent will probably not be on this website ... they will be in the fields of china or some place like that ... they can not originate new thought .. they would watch the same TV shows and go to the same places everyday ...doing the same routine .. they can even be engineers .. but they would usually copy other peoples work ... because they would not be able to originate a new creation

jim

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Operating thetan... a spirit that canoperate outside his body

jim

eaglespirit
13th May 2013, 11:15
People...please 'trust' Yourselves more.

Each and Every One of Us has a 'way' to connect and better the world...powerfully good.
Trust...You!!!

The ways and means are on Everyone's paths...intention and awareness and 'work' bring it all forth.

I am so glad this thread continued in a good way : )

jiminii
13th May 2013, 11:24
I just wonder.....who are these powerfull spirits, what are they doing to day, how can I spot one if I wanted to?
The way things are presented here, it all seems like a big game to me with only a few knowing the rules of the game and the rest of us as stupid dumb slaves. That doesn't sound very lovely to me. In fact, maybe the best thing to do is to forget about all these theoris/facts and go on living, with or without a bunch of bodies I may, or may not, know nothing about, carry water and chop some wood so to speak. After all, if I should happen to be one of those powerfull spirits, "they" will not see me awake anyway, so why bother ;-) Who are "they" by the way, holding the worlds destiny in their hands and not consulting those in question.

Or have I not catched the clue here? If not, why do I have this curious feeling that I'm not alone.

All the best, as always :-)

TRW

OK ... that is why I am trying to tell the story of Metteyya ... I have this body on this planet but I also have one on a ship that is near this planet ... there is these heavy particles ... a pin head size of them could weigh a few tons in weight ... they are called black holes .. you can use a small black hole to give power to the entire planet ... you can use them to protect your city .... because they shift time ... in the devils triangle people heard 1956 radio stations 20 years before them in 1976. how does this protect the city .. anyone tries to attack the city can be seen 20 years before ... ships a airplanes disappear there when the channel is open some might be sucked to the other side ... Now only very powerful spirits are able to shift themselves in time ... so anyone going to this city 20 years before us in the devils triangle will die because the spirit will stay in this time and the body will go through the portal ... so these reptilians are no able to shift their spirits through that time portal so if they tried to attack us they would die going through the portal ... I have another body there ... there is another base in the pacific ocean where ships and airplanes disappear called the dragons triangle ... I have a body there .. there is a base in the himalayas ... and I have a body there ...

everyone this website came here for a reason .. and they may also have bodies that are doing something to salvage this planet ... even if you don't know it .. your presents is valuable .. because you are a viewpoint that your more powerful self can use to get information from where you are now ... and it can be relayed to the other entities that are viewpoints too of your spirit ...

don't ever say you are not worth something ... you are here in this game ... and you are playing it ..and everything you are connected to can somehow know what from you the things you observe .. and the things you see are wrong that need to be fix .. being an observer to your higher self goes into the collective of spirits and this data can be used to correct many things

You are not a nothing ... You are a being with infinite potential .. and because you feel you are not in the game doesn't mean that your are doing nothing

you might be really surprised to see the game you are playing in the spiritual world ... and how big a game it is

you are greater than your present awareness knows ... but far greater than anyone let you know

believe me

jim

WhiteFeather
13th May 2013, 11:59
THE 3 Waves in your post - Dolores Cannon spoke of such waves. Maybe another dot connected here as to these waves of people whom incarnated here. Interesting.

These waves of viewpoints have no Karma .. they have no automatic spiritual recording system .. therefore they have no bank ... so their potential is higher than any in the universe. but they have no experience ... they have never been born before ... they would raise the vibration of the planet and align all the negative thought and would be natural healers by aligning the physical universe too .. why because they have no bank to stop them

InCiDeR
13th May 2013, 12:12
(...)OK ... that is why I am trying to tell the story of Metteyya ... I have this body on this planet but I also have one on a ship that is near this planet (...)

Hi jiminii, welcome to this forum. Interesting starting thread I must say!

I have a question, is this one of your bodies as well here on earth:

Is this the Voice of Revelation that Spoke to Jesus and Muhammad?
Thread about The voice of revelation (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58721-Is-this-the-Voice-of-Revelation-that-Spoke-to-Jesus-and-Muhammad&p=668228&viewfull=1#post668228)

Marshall Vian Summers (http://newmessage.org/nmfg/The_Messenger_Marshall_Vian_Summers.html) say he is God's/source messenger for this time in human history. So I am curious if this are one of your bodies or if this might be another soul working for humankind? Your message seems to differ slightly though!

Thanks in advance

Sidney
13th May 2013, 12:13
Ok so I was looking into the scientology stuff thinking it would be really beneficial to be able to do this work and get "audited", if thats the correct term. I stumbled across this information. It seems finding your truth costs more than is reasonable. Many "churches" will help people in need with no expectation of monetary reimbursement. can you please tell me how they can justify this kind of money for books?? Of course one can find some of the material much more inexpensive used, the fact remains, that they must be making a substantial profit by selling these books at this astronomical price. That sends a "greed" message (for me anyway).

To be clear, this has not completely jaded my opinion of the information you are sharing, but my point is to have you understand how this looks to outsiders of the scientology sect, on top of all the bad publicity on the subject, as it(scientology) is strongly associated with the cult reputation.


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The Truth Is In There
13th May 2013, 12:23
jiminii, i'm not saying what you talk about is bs but if you can do all these fancy things, why is the world such a sh*thole?

i admit that i'm not really familiar with scientology. i always had the impression that it's one of these creations that helps some people get rich by manipulating lots of other people. a pyramid system where knowledge is offered in exchange for money.

maybe you can explain the purpose of this "church". what exactly is the goal of scientology? if it is this removal of reptilian entities from power or something the like, why don't we see it happening despite the fact that scientology exists since many decades? why does it give the impression to outsiders that scientology is basically a cult that brainwashes its members and funnels money towards its upper echelons?

eaglespirit
13th May 2013, 12:24
Please...please...let's get to work together and keep the questions pertinent to awareness and use of our spiritual powers in the now.
Please allow the continuance of jiminii's sharing in the context of the betterment and uplifting of humanity, now!
....
...and just one more before I go to work : )

We are at the crosroads...firmly at the crossroads of 'higher change' on Mother Earth!

Make the Change! You, You, and You!

Each and everyone of us here has a part in these changes for the betterment of all.

Please, please try to put aside the 'why, why' whys' 'what if's' and the 'I know more than' and ' I worked harder and am connected more' and 'oh no I will not manipulate' and .'who does he think he is' and 'there's a better way' and 'oh I doubt'

Each One of Us are the 'better way'...BE 'the better way'

Simply make a personal choice to help in a very good way...if you want to and choose to...powerfully good!

The Energy of this forum can truly create wonders if we 'actively' choose to work together once and for all.

Each in Our Own Way!


...and please leave the thread alone if it does not resonate, simple!

jiminii
13th May 2013, 12:54
there is more .. Metteyya created the the new spirits out of his own source ... this connects you to every other Metteyya ... like Siddhartha Gautama Buddha .. I could run his pictures ... and I could run LRH's pictures ... but too fast for this body to see ... but the Knowingness is here and it somehow gets this body to accidentally run into the data I need ... being connected to the other bodies can also get data going back and forth and I find things that I probably would never have found ... in the UFO everything speeded up ... soooooooo fast .. "I know this .. and this and this " .. if that ET didn't get my attention I would have known everything is a short time ... in the spirit everything is a lot faster ... I am so close to it I can almost touch it ... I know when someone gets my mail and what reaction they had whether it be happy angry or in teas .. I would feel her feelings as though they are in me
\
so my other friend can communicate to her other bodies and she can see them ... like inelia ... but I can't yet


but when I connected to this website ... a lot of pure beautiful energy came in from Metteyya ... and then I knew it is time to open up the can of worms

hahaha

and the perceptions increased a lot

probably just need to be around the right people to turn everything back on

jim

The Royal Wizard
13th May 2013, 13:01
Once upon a time my son struggled with some mathematics in his 4'th grade. He really couldn't get a grip. I explained to him the system and how to solve the problem. That didn't help. So, what did I do, simply told him to get the grasp himself given him the tooles I had? No of course not. I sat down beside him and tried different angles hopefully to find one that fitted his door of learning, and I succeded after a relatively short period of time. From the moment he catched the "how to" he did his math as a master, no problem to big. Ha was indeed a lot quicker than I thought. His responsbility was to try and not give up, my responsebility was simply to be there trying to find his door. Thats a loving fathers lucky duty. If I had renounced my responsebility, I would have been the looser, not my son, he would have figured it all out someday anyhow. He turned out to be more clever than me.

So, friends, you probably by know have figured out where I'm going with this, but for those who havn't:

Here comes this man, jiminii, with som pretty heavy stuff. Many of us know the basics of what he's telling, but his angle may be knew and of course some of the information. It's not often a new member get this kind of attention, and the reason is clear; he is calling himself the second comming of Buddha, or at least one of his viewpoints is. This is pretty awasome, and maybe he is telling the truth. After all we are all here truthseekers aren't we? Once a while the real "thing" shows up, and being at the right place to the right time could be one of Gods blessings when it happens. Therefore, asking the why's and if's is nothing but obvious. In my view thats the masters duty answering that kind of questions. Not because he's more worths than the rest of us, but simply beceause he happens to know something the rest of us might have forgotten. To be the one of enlightenment where others have lost their perception or ability to remember is quite a gift.

I have noticed the answer to my questions, and sorry to say, I'm not saticfied, all though the answer was interesting enaugh itself.

Just bought myself a new ax, have some woodchoping to do....

All the best

TRW

Christine
13th May 2013, 13:10
Thank you eaglespirit for your heartfelt plea.

There is one truth that stares us all in the face, together we do create the world we want to live in, it was so in the beginning and is equally true now.

What is being discussed here on this thread is of utmost importance, WE do create our world and WE can change the outcome.

I KNOW that this forum is a part of the greatest change we will witness on our life time(s). The one thing the controllers want is for us to forever remain divided. In my humble opinion what jiminii is speaking of is US.

Where ever we are on the map of consciousness together we overcome the enemy - whether the enemy is our own doubts and fears or those who have surreptitiously claimed our power, the time has come to reclaim (remember) who we are.

P.S. I guess I better go get my bucket and carry some water.

jiminii
13th May 2013, 13:26
maybe you won't believe this and maybe you can't but everyone believed in reincarnation in the days of Christ ... but Constantine needed a way to control the people so all passages of reincarnation was removed from the bible ... and he put in it's place The Persian idea of heaven and hell and one life to live so they can control the people ... there are stories of Christ in Tibet ... he was gone all those years ... and he was trained by the Tibetian buddhsit ...
so this is another viewpoint ... isn't it? IS IT TRUE ??? anyone can say something is true ... but if it is a lie no matter who writes it no writing can change a lie to truth ...

We are on a prison planet ... it took them billions of years to create this ... NO ONE ESCAPES from a prison planet ... NO ONE until Siddhartha Gautama Buddha did 2500 years ago ... any religion that tells you that you have no power and only god has power and any other power is the devil will never get you off this planet
it takes a being with a lot of power to get off this planet ... and giving all your power to a god that someone says exists isn't going to get you off the planet.

these are control religions ... I went back to see Christ on the Cross .. and started running the session myself using the class 8 auditor and her meter to do it.

I got back there ... Christ looked like he was in a very lot of pain ... I decided to go inside his body and see what was happening and a force a very big force was hitting me when I was in his body .. it was too much and I could not stay inside the body .. I got out and I saw a huge oval of gold light in front of him ... I thought he was making it .... I followed the light into the sky and it was a UFO ... and that UFO was hitting Christ with some kind of beam ... and it was flooding the crowd with pictures to create a future dark age ... I yelled ... it was a trick ... it was a trick ... it was a trick ...

now IS THIS TRUE ..????? ... it was very real to me ... but it can also be just another can of worms ....

by the way ... the force fields that trapped us to this planet have been removed ... by the andromedians . ... if you die this time you can go home ... where ;ever that was .... so future?? ... i am staying here ... this place will be the new beginning for the entire universe and when it is safe for them to come down they will teach us and we will be new light of this universe ... why because we were the gods they sent here and to them we are still looked at as royalty and they are trying to free us ...

jim

jiminii
13th May 2013, 13:35
Ok so I was looking into the scientology stuff thinking it would be really beneficial to be able to do this work and get "audited", if thats the correct term. I stumbled across this information. It seems finding your truth costs more than is reasonable. Many "churches" will help people in need with no expectation of monetary reimbursement. can you please tell me how they can justify this kind of money for books?? Of course one can find some of the material much more inexpensive used, the fact remains, that they must be making a substantial profit by selling these books at this astronomical price. That sends a "greed" message (for me anyway).

To be clear, this has not completely jaded my opinion of the information you are sharing, but my point is to have you understand how this looks to outsiders of the scientology sect, on top of all the bad publicity on the subject, as it(scientology) is strongly associated with the cult reputation.



go to free zone and you can find the answer in Captain Bill the mane who worked with LRH personally

I can not attack anyone without proof no matter what others say pro or con

free zone delivers the original tech at fair prices and you can get the books free too from one of the free zone sites

I say this because I believe in results ... I don't believe in making it so impossible for people to get with prices only kings can pay

jim

Prodigal Son
13th May 2013, 13:49
Thank you Jim, this thread is fantastic. I have many questions, but I will start with this one:

I am one to believe that suffering never goes for naught, that it is entered into the Book of Life that when complete, will allow us to become God. If these "mistakes" that led to the reptilians making the galaxy a living hell 367 years into the future are "vanished" or "erased", are you saying they are completely removed from the Akash? And if so, how does that contribute to the evolution of mankind? In other words, what prevents it from ever happening again?

jiminii
13th May 2013, 13:52
jiminii, i'm not saying what you talk about is bs but if you can do all these fancy things, why is the world such a sh*thole?

i admit that i'm not really familiar with scientology. i always had the impression that it's one of these creations that helps some people get rich by manipulating lots of other people. a pyramid system where knowledge is offered in exchange for money.

maybe you can explain the purpose of this "church". what exactly is the goal of scientology? if it is this removal of reptilian entities from power or something the like, why don't we see it happening despite the fact that scientology exists since many decades? why does it give the impression to outsiders that scientology is basically a cult that brainwashes its members and funnels money towards its upper echelons?

I only see what I learned from LRH books ... what works for me .. and most of it worked but some had to be corrected ...if you are an indigo or a crystal or rainbow child you won't need scientology ...there is no past pain to audit but for me ... the works of LRH are not complete ... the most important part was left out ... all our other timelines ... if we just audit one of our eyes what about all the other eyes we have out there ??? that is why the auditing question is "who is holding your aberrations in place?" ... to locate your other bodies ... you will have an incomplete job .. and the truth is you can not audit the other bodies from this body ... they may be on other planets ... so we brought the tech here and we tried it and we found the solutions but we are not ready to deliver the results yet
. this will start again when this planet is safe for the ET's to come down and start our training that could last for 3 or 4 hundred years ... so ... they will be changing the planet and all of us so this will be done ... but we have to wait until they arrive ... the tech is much more advanced now

jim

christian
13th May 2013, 13:54
Especially interesting to know how many Scientologists there are on this forum...

Just because someone has knowledge of a cult doesn't mean he is an adherent to it, cf. this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59060-The-Church-of-Scientology-a-cult-of-abuse).


jiminii, i'm not saying what you talk about is bs but if you can do all these fancy things, why is the world such a sh*thole?

Because so many who have these abilities as well have not really woken up to them yet. One can only do so much, I think.


i admit that i'm not really familiar with scientology. i always had the impression that it's one of these creations that helps some people get rich by manipulating lots of other people. a pyramid system where knowledge is offered in exchange for money.

maybe you can explain the purpose of this "church". what exactly is the goal of scientology? if it is this removal of reptilian entities from power or something the like, why don't we see it happening despite the fact that scientology exists since many decades? why does it give the impression to outsiders that scientology is basically a cult that brainwashes its members and funnels money towards its upper echelons?

I basically share your sentiment, but I think it would be better to discuss this here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59060-The-Church-of-Scientology-a-cult-of-abuse).

jiminii
13th May 2013, 13:59
jiminii, i'm not saying what you talk about is bs but if you can do all these fancy things, why is the world such a sh*thole?

i admit that i'm not really familiar with scientology. i always had the impression that it's one of these creations that helps some people get rich by manipulating lots of other people. a pyramid system where knowledge is offered in exchange for money.

maybe you can explain the purpose of this "church". what exactly is the goal of scientology? if it is this removal of reptilian entities from power or something the like, why don't we see it happening despite the fact that scientology exists since many decades? why does it give the impression to outsiders that scientology is basically a cult that brainwashes its members and funnels money towards its upper echelons?

that government in the stars is a no change system ... if anyone tries to change it they will be here ,.. so artist and genius and engineers will end up here because they are always trying to change the system ... also the perverts and degraded beings and criminals are sent here too ... the only thing that left is the workers .. .. so even that place must be rehabilitated. everything will start new from here ... so that is why I will be staying here

jim

thunder24
13th May 2013, 14:09
who declared it to b no change...
that government in the stars is a no change system ... if anyone tries to change it they will be here ,.. so artist and genius and engineers will end up here because they are always trying to change the system ... also the perverts and degraded beings and criminals are sent here too ... the only thing that left is the workers .. .. so even that place must be rehabilitated. everything will start new from here ... so that is why I will be staying here

jim

jiminii
13th May 2013, 14:09
Thank you Jim, this thread is fantastic. I have many questions, but I will start with this one:

I am one to believe that suffering never goes for naught, that it is entered into the Book of Life that when complete, will allow us to become God. If these "mistakes" that led to the reptilians making the galaxy a living hell 367 years into the future are "vanished" or "erased", are you saying they are completely removed from the Akash? And if so, how does that contribute to the evolution of mankind? In other words, what prevents it from ever happening again?

they are undoing this creation as we speak ... from the future we will no longer be in a time space continuum ... and we will not be using bodies that need food .. we can still eat if we want but the new bodies don't need food to live and we will be able to change the environment to what we want ... and with the new bodies that are suited for 4th dimension will will never die.

jim

Sidney
13th May 2013, 14:11
I only see what I learned from LRH books ... what works for me .. and most of it worked but some had to be corrected ...if you are an indigo or a crystal or rainbow child you won't need scientology ...there is no past pain to audit but for me ... the works of LRH are not complete ... the most important part was left out ... all our other timelines ... if we just audit one of our eyes what about all the other eyes we have out there ??? that is why the auditing question is "who is holding your aberrations in place?" ... to locate your other bodies ... you will have an incomplete job .. and the truth is you can not audit the other bodies from this body ... they may be on other planets ... so we brought the tech here and we tried it and we found the solutions but we are not ready to deliver the results yet
. this will start again when this planet is safe for the ET's to come down and start our training that could last for 3 or 4 hundred years ... so ... they will be changing the planet and all of us so this will be done ... but we have to wait until they arrive ... the tech is much more advanced now

jim
what about current pain?

Fred Steeves
13th May 2013, 14:35
Hi again Jim. There are some things nagging at me, and I'm hoping maybe you can "clear":p them up for me.


It wasn't my intention to get into scientology discussion ...

Starting with the OP (original post) on this thread, not to mention the title of the thread itself "LRH", it appears that this isn't really even a discussion about Scientology, but more a teaching straight from the mouth of Hubbard himself. At the end of this same post you even say you are teaching, and where do these teachings come from? LRH.


... and I can teach everyone how to get this going somehow ....

Now I'm not pointing this out because I'm anti Scientology, as I feel not much different about Scientology than any other religion. It's just self evident.


The continuation of the teaching statement was this:


and I can teach everyone how to get this going somehow ... so you can see the god in you is real and working

There are limitless paths to seeing the god in ourselves, including making our own path, so if some here choose the Scientology path then great. My question here though is, why do you assume that Avalon needs to be "taught" anything? From my experience here we all learn from each other simply by batting around our different ideas, insights and experiences.

Do you think that there's anything you could possibly learn from us by the way?


Having (until recently) lived in the Clearwater, Florida area all my life, I was of course much exposed to Scientology, and many Scientologists. One such I got to know fairly well was a high level OT, but had (so far as I know) left the church. Certainly you know what that entails...

He was thankful for what he had learned, but also had such a deep and fundamental understanding of the underlying principals, plus his own take on things, that when talking to him he could easily boil things down pretty much to their bare essence, leaving behind all of the dizzying acronyms, complexities and drama. He also listened...

Like an old master carpenter contractor I used to work for would say, when someone was trying to explain something to him that was getting too complicated and in the weeds: "Explain it to me like I'm a third grader Fred, I want to understand you". I always liked that, and use the line myself now. Whether trying to explain something myself, or have something explained to me.

The way I see it anyway, is that truth is not really that complicated, nor should it be. Buddhism, Christianity, and all the rest have that complicated problem too. Things to memorize, protocols to follow, priests/gurus to follow and believe, and yada yada yada. (LOL) It tends to make me feel like I'm being baffled with bulls**t...

True masters are able to keep things nice and simple, and in doing so make it about the student and not themselves. If you're here to teach how to find the god in ourselves, do you think you could make a stab at doing that?

Lastly, so you know I'm not here to make waves on your thread/s. Do as thou wilt. Just some things were bothering me that I felt a need to express.

Thanks,
Fred

jiminii
13th May 2013, 14:37
Thank you Jim, this thread is fantastic. I have many questions, but I will start with this one:

I am one to believe that suffering never goes for naught, that it is entered into the Book of Life that when complete, will allow us to become God. If these "mistakes" that led to the reptilians making the galaxy a living hell 367 years into the future are "vanished" or "erased", are you saying they are completely removed from the Akash? And if so, how does that contribute to the evolution of mankind? In other words, what prevents it from ever happening again?


the reptilians will be sent to another 3d planet ... if they don't the galactic government will put sanctions on them so steep they will never see the light of day .... so the only ones left now are the cabal and their hybrids ... that will be flushed out .. soon I hope

80 trillion years ago there was a group of people call the peace bringers ... they were so powerful that everywhere they went they brought peace .. There was another group that were war mongers ... and they were a bit of trouble but the peace bringers thought that could train them and maybe they would change to the better ... but these war mongers decided to infiltrate and steal the tech and use is to try to take over the system ... and many wars happened ... We did not keep them at check until they could be trusted and we had no tech to rehabilitate them ... so 50,000 years ago the most powerful got together and admitted they were losing and they made a plan to salvage this sector of the universe ... and they sent some of their people down here to try to find ways that could free their people from these prison planets and also find ways to open up our powers ... Yes is is very dangerous to open up the powers again ... but it is more dangerous to NOT open up the powers ... because without those powers everyone would eventually be trapped and enslaved ... but we also had to learn how to make the powers safe so people with powers can live with people with no powers. We have proven we can do this ... so we will be given our chance. \

jim

Camilo
13th May 2013, 14:38
Very interesting theory to say the least. Never heard of such perspective before. Worth of investigating it further. It would make a best syfy novel seller. Hubbard was way ahead of his time, and I dare to say he was operating in different time lines simultaneously.

jiminii
13th May 2013, 14:40
what about current pain?

we are rising into a higher vibration and that will align us and will cause the pain to disintegrate



jim

Bill Ryan
13th May 2013, 14:48
... Captain Bill the man who worked with LRH personally



I knew Bill Robertson personally -- affectionately known by all his friends as 'Captain Bill' or 'CBR'-- and was privileged to have spent a small amount of quality time with him back in 1988-90.

CBR saw everything that was coming, and fully identified all the threats -- years before David Icke, Jordan Maxwell, or Bill Cooper; he talked frequently, and at length and in depth, about the ET presence, mind control, the New World Order, and how important a role we all had to play on Planet Earth if we were to avert what might be ahead of us.

He was a remarkable and inspired man, and had an enormously large and powerful space around him. When he entered a room, even a conference room full of people, and quietly, the entire atmosphere changed completely. I have an immense respect for him, and deep appreciation for all his work and dedication.

Sidney
13th May 2013, 14:51
This is from the "other" thread on the Scientology subject. But I think it is pertinent to this conversation, because it is KEY to understand the controversy behind the Scientology religion(and LRH).

Re: The Church of Scientology - a cult of abuse
Posted by Bill Ryan (here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59060-The-Church-of-Scientology-a-cult-of-abuse&p=673199&viewfull=1#post673199))
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1) For what really happened, read this interview transcript:

http://projectcamelot.org/dane_tops.html

2) An excellent audio from a BBC radio documentary in 1987. Do listen: it's very well researched, exceptionally balanced, and contains some astonishing information.

http://projectcamelot.org/Ruthless_Adventure_the_lives_of_L_Ron_Hubbard.mp3

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This one statement from the beginnings of Dane's interview explains A LOT, and eases my discomfort of the whole of the controversies. I believe it with every cell in my body.

"The reason it was infiltrated by the Illuminati is because of the mind control techniques that could be developed from the 1950 book that Ron Hubbard published, and soon after because of the paranormal abilities that Hubbard’s techniques were producing. The Illuminati thought it could not allow humanity to discover their true innate powers and ability."

WhiteFeather
13th May 2013, 15:23
Thank you eaglespirit for your heartfelt plea.

There is one truth that stares us all in the face, together we do create the world we want to live in, it was so in the beginning and is equally true now.

What is being discussed here on this thread is of utmost importance, WE do create our world and WE can change the outcome.

I KNOW that this forum is a part of the greatest change we will witness on our life time(s). The one thing the controllers want is for us to forever remain divided. In my humble opinion what jiminii is speaking of is US.

Where ever we are on the map of consciousness together we overcome the enemy - whether the enemy is our own doubts and fears or those who have surreptitiously claimed our power, the time has come to reclaim (remember) who we are.

P.S. I guess I better go get my bucket and carry some water.

I agree Tigra. Our collective thoughts/consciousness as humans are indeed so powerful that we havent even begun to scratch the surface. Once we understand this power we have we can accomplish anything. What we think we become. Be careful what you wish for, history starts now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiJG6fW3leQ

Bill Ryan
13th May 2013, 15:34
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(mod hat on)

Hi, Jim -- see above -- please use the REPLY WITH QUOTE button on the bottom right of any post you want to reply to; or else you're doing yourself a disservice as readers will NOT know what you are referring to.

The above post is a good example. I cannot see who you were replying to. Only you knew that! Not the reader.

Note that you can also EDIT POST (another button), to add clarity, correct errors, or reformat what you have written... at any time.

As a Scientologist, you will understand when I recommend that you read again what you have written (before you post it!) -- from the viewpoint of others who are not you. :)

jiminii
13th May 2013, 15:36
who declared it to b no change...
get the free being tape from LRH and he will be able to give you an hour discussion on what that government up there does.

jiminii
13th May 2013, 15:48
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(mod hat on)

Hi, Jim -- see above -- please use the REPLY WITH QUOTE button on the bottom left of any post you want to reply to; or else you're doing yourself a disservice as readers will NOT know what you are referring to.

The above post is a good example. I cannot see who you were replying to. Only you knew that! Not the reader.

Note that you can also EDIT POST (another button), to add clarity, correct errors, or reformat what you have written... at any time.

As a Scientologist, you will understand when I recommend that you read again what you have written (before you post it!) -- from the viewpoint of others who are not you. :)
sorry I got so busy trying to answer all these questions I didn't really see what you are seeiing ... thanks

jiminii
13th May 2013, 15:53
Hi again Jim. There are some things nagging at me, and I'm hoping maybe you can "clear":p them up for me.


It wasn't my intention to get into scientology discussion ...

Starting with the OP (original post) on this thread, not to mention the title of the thread itself "LRH", it appears that this isn't really even a discussion about Scientology, but more a teaching straight from the mouth of Hubbard himself. At the end of this same post you even say you are teaching, and where do these teachings come from? LRH.


... and I can teach everyone how to get this going somehow ....

Now I'm not pointing this out because I'm anti Scientology, as I feel not much different about Scientology than any other religion. It's just self evident.


The continuation of the teaching statement was this:


and I can teach everyone how to get this going somehow ... so you can see the god in you is real and working

There are limitless paths to seeing the god in ourselves, including making our own path, so if some here choose the Scientology path then great. My question here though is, why do you assume that Avalon needs to be "taught" anything? From my experience here we all learn from each other simply by batting around our different ideas, insights and experiences.

Do you think that there's anything you could possibly learn from us by the way?


Having (until recently) lived in the Clearwater, Florida area all my life, I was of course much exposed to Scientology, and many Scientologists. One such I got to know fairly well was a high level OT, but had (so far as I know) left the church. Certainly you know what that entails...

He was thankful for what he had learned, but also had such a deep and fundamental understanding of the underlying principals, plus his own take on things, that when talking to him he could easily boil things down pretty much to their bare essence, leaving behind all of the dizzying acronyms, complexities and drama. He also listened...

Like an old master carpenter contractor I used to work for would say, when someone was trying to explain something to him that was getting too complicated and in the weeds: "Explain it to me like I'm a third grader Fred, I want to understand you". I always liked that, and use the line myself now. Whether trying to explain something myself, or have something explained to me.

The way I see it anyway, is that truth is not really that complicated, nor should it be. Buddhism, Christianity, and all the rest have that complicated problem too. Things to memorize, protocols to follow, priests/gurus to follow and believe, and yada yada yada. (LOL) It tends to make me feel like I'm being baffled with bulls**t...

True masters are able to keep things nice and simple, and in doing so make it about the student and not themselves. If you're here to teach how to find the god in ourselves, do you think you could make a stab at doing that?

Lastly, so you know I'm not here to make waves on your thread/s. Do as thou wilt. Just some things were bothering me that I felt a need to express.

Thanks,
Fred
this is your interpretation not mine ... I started this thread so I can come out and face my dragons. it is like facing the US Army. I say what I want whether I am right or wrong and see what hits the fan. I face up to it so I can be as fearless as all these other people like Bill Ryan who just decided to not allow anyone to suppress or intimidate them so they can stand tall. I have never done a forum before and I assumed that I should tell people the workings of this universe or they will not understand what I will talk about ... and of course it violates many peoples viewpoints because it HITS STUFF INSIDE THEM ... this is because THIS STUFF IS SO TRUE IT CAN'T HELP BUT HIT PEOPLE PERSONALLY. It hits the implants that were put in you to scramble your memory and load you full of garbage so you could never escape this planet exactly what it was designed to do. And if you let it I will probably be back here a hundred lifetimes later and see you still trapped on this prison planet ... oh .. sorry I forgot .. the force fields that trap everyone have been removed ... so when you die you are free to go anywhere you like ..

and that is the best shot I can give you.

jim

jiminii
13th May 2013, 15:58
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(mod hat on)

Hi, Jim -- see above -- please use the REPLY WITH QUOTE button on the bottom left of any post you want to reply to; or else you're doing yourself a disservice as readers will NOT know what you are referring to.

The above post is a good example. I cannot see who you were replying to. Only you knew that! Not the reader.

Note that you can also EDIT POST (another button), to add clarity, correct errors, or reformat what you have written... at any time.

As a Scientologist, you will understand when I recommend that you read again what you have written (before you post it!) -- from the viewpoint of others who are not you. :)

do i have to do this to all my posts ??? wow ... might take awhile?

Flash
13th May 2013, 16:17
We get use to reply using reply button. For me the most bothersome is revising my terrible grammar to make sure i am understood. And i still sometimes fail

InCiDeR
13th May 2013, 16:30
(...)OK ... that is why I am trying to tell the story of Metteyya ... I have this body on this planet but I also have one on a ship that is near this planet (...)

Hi jiminii, welcome to this forum. Interesting starting thread I must say!

I have a question, is this one of your bodies as well here on earth:

Is this the Voice of Revelation that Spoke to Jesus and Muhammad?
Thread about The voice of revelation (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58721-Is-this-the-Voice-of-Revelation-that-Spoke-to-Jesus-and-Muhammad&p=668228&viewfull=1#post668228)

Marshall Vian Summers (http://newmessage.org/nmfg/The_Messenger_Marshall_Vian_Summers.html) say he is God's/source messenger for this time in human history. So I am curious if this are one of your bodies or if this might be another soul working for humankind? Your message seems to differ slightly though!

Thanks in advance

Hi jiminii,

I am sorry to bother you again, but I am not sure if you answered my question. Maybe you did, and I did not understand the answer due to all filters communication have to penetrate. But if you didn't I am very curious about the answer to this question.

Thanks again

thunder24
13th May 2013, 16:42
... this is because THIS STUFF IS SO TRUE IT CAN'T HELP BUT HIT PEOPLE PERSONALLY. It hits the implants that were put in you to scramble your memory and load you full of garbage so you could never escape this planet exactly what it was designed to do. And if you let it I will probably be back here a hundred lifetimes later and see you still trapped on this prison planet ... oh .. sorry I forgot .. the force fields that trap everyone have been removed ... so when you die you are free to go anywhere you like ..

and that is the best shot I can give you.

jim
i bolded ur quote.... how can u make those statements, and then just b like oh i forgot....when earlier today u were very clear that we were gonna b the first planet to do something big in universe... but its so easily forgotten. many lifetimes you will b back on this prison planet...oh but wait its not a prison planet anymore...that makes no sense to me.... can u clarify how u could of forgot that the "fence" was down.... SEEMS Like that wouldn't b something forgotten, by the one trying to teach?!

Swanette
13th May 2013, 17:13
This is from the "other" thread on the Scientology subject. But I think it is pertinent to this conversation, because it is KEY to understand the controversy behind the Scientology religion(and LRH).

Re: The Church of Scientology - a cult of abuse
Posted by Bill Ryan (here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59060-The-Church-of-Scientology-a-cult-of-abuse&p=673199&viewfull=1#post673199))
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1) For what really happened, read this interview transcript:

http://projectcamelot.org/dane_tops.html

2) An excellent audio from a BBC radio documentary in 1987. Do listen: it's very well researched, exceptionally balanced, and contains some astonishing information.

http://projectcamelot.org/Ruthless_Adventure_the_lives_of_L_Ron_Hubbard.mp3

-------
This one statement from the beginnings of Dane's interview explains A LOT, and eases my discomfort of the whole of the controversies. I believe it with every cell in my body.

"The reason it was infiltrated by the Illuminati is because of the mind control techniques that could be developed from the 1950 book that Ron Hubbard published, and soon after because of the paranormal abilities that Hubbard’s techniques were producing. The Illuminati thought it could not allow humanity to discover their true innate powers and ability."


Thanks for posting this again. If everyone that is viewing this thread and commenting on it will have at least read the interview from Dane Tops FIRST then they will have a more clear perspective of what Jiminii is trying to tell us. I am glad this information is coming out now.

jiminii
13th May 2013, 17:20
(...)OK ... that is why I am trying to tell the story of Metteyya ... I have this body on this planet but I also have one on a ship that is near this planet (...)

Hi jiminii, welcome to this forum. Interesting starting thread I must say!

I have a question, is this one of your bodies as well here on earth:

Is this the Voice of Revelation that Spoke to Jesus and Muhammad?
Thread about The voice of revelation (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58721-Is-this-the-Voice-of-Revelation-that-Spoke-to-Jesus-and-Muhammad&p=668228&viewfull=1#post668228)

Marshall Vian Summers (http://newmessage.org/nmfg/The_Messenger_Marshall_Vian_Summers.html) say he is God's/source messenger for this time in human history. So I am curious if this are one of your bodies or if this might be another soul working for humankind? Your message seems to differ slightly though!

Thanks in advance

Hi jiminii,

I am sorry to bother you again, but I am not sure if you answered my question. Maybe you did, and I did not understand the answer due to all filters communication have to penetrate. But if you didn't I am very curious about the answer to this question.

Thanks again


jim

¤=[Post Update]=¤



This is from the "other" thread on the Scientology subject. But I think it is pertinent to this conversation, because it is KEY to understand the controversy behind the Scientology religion(and LRH).

Re: The Church of Scientology - a cult of abuse
Posted by Bill Ryan (here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59060-The-Church-of-Scientology-a-cult-of-abuse&p=673199&viewfull=1#post673199))
-------

1) For what really happened, read this interview transcript:

http://projectcamelot.org/dane_tops.html

2) An excellent audio from a BBC radio documentary in 1987. Do listen: it's very well researched, exceptionally balanced, and contains some astonishing information.

http://projectcamelot.org/Ruthless_Adventure_the_lives_of_L_Ron_Hubbard.mp3

-------
This one statement from the beginnings of Dane's interview explains A LOT, and eases my discomfort of the whole of the controversies. I believe it with every cell in my body.

"The reason it was infiltrated by the Illuminati is because of the mind control techniques that could be developed from the 1950 book that Ron Hubbard published, and soon after because of the paranormal abilities that Hubbard’s techniques were producing. The Illuminati thought it could not allow humanity to discover their true innate powers and ability."


Thanks for posting this again. If everyone that is viewing this thread and commenting on it will have at least read the interview from Dane Tops FIRST then they will have a more clear perspective of what Jiminii is trying to tell us. I am glad this information is coming out now.

Amen to that
jim

jiminii
13th May 2013, 17:26
... this is because THIS STUFF IS SO TRUE IT CAN'T HELP BUT HIT PEOPLE PERSONALLY. It hits the implants that were put in you to scramble your memory and load you full of garbage so you could never escape this planet exactly what it was designed to do. And if you let it I will probably be back here a hundred lifetimes later and see you still trapped on this prison planet ... oh .. sorry I forgot .. the force fields that trap everyone have been removed ... so when you die you are free to go anywhere you like ..

and that is the best shot I can give you.

jim
i bolded ur quote.... how can u make those statements, and then just b like oh i forgot....when earlier today u were very clear that we were gonna b the first planet to do something big in universe... but its so easily forgotten. many lifetimes you will b back on this prison planet...oh but wait its not a prison planet anymore...that makes no sense to me.... can u clarify how u could of forgot that the "fence" was down.... SEEMS Like that wouldn't b something forgotten, by the one trying to teach?!

you are free to go and there is nothing to stop you ... but I will stay here ... and from my knowingness ..to be on this planet you will have to meet a higher level vibration limit ... those below this limit will not qualify and can go back to their home planets or to other planets that more or less match there vibration level ... of course people will be allowed to come here for training and processing if they desire but they can not live here without invitation ... this means any of the lower levels like those in the cabal criminals perverts ... will have to raise their vibration to a high enough level to be accepted ... They literally would not fit here ...and would be uncomfortable as much as those who live with them and it is better they be matched to levels closer to them.

jiminii
13th May 2013, 18:12
(...)OK ... that is why I am trying to tell the story of Metteyya ... I have this body on this planet but I also have one on a ship that is near this planet (...)

Hi jiminii, welcome to this forum. Interesting starting thread I must say!

I have a question, is this one of your bodies as well here on earth:

Is this the Voice of Revelation that Spoke to Jesus and Muhammad?
Thread about The voice of revelation (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58721-Is-this-the-Voice-of-Revelation-that-Spoke-to-Jesus-and-Muhammad&p=668228&viewfull=1#post668228)

Marshall Vian Summers (http://newmessage.org/nmfg/The_Messenger_Marshall_Vian_Summers.html) say he is God's/source messenger for this time in human history. So I am curious if this are one of your bodies or if this might be another soul working for humankind? Your message seems to differ slightly though!

Thanks in advance

Hi jiminii,

I am sorry to bother you again, but I am not sure if you answered my question. Maybe you did, and I did not understand the answer due to all filters communication have to penetrate. But if you didn't I am very curious about the answer to this question.

Thanks again

maybe you won't believe this and maybe you can't but everyone believed in reincarnation in the days of Christ ... but Constantine needed a way to control the people so all passages of reincarnation was removed from the bible ... and he put in it's place The Persian idea of heaven and hell and one life to live so they can control the people ... there are stories of Christ in Tibet ... he was gone all those years ... and he was trained by the Tibetian buddhsit ...
so this is another viewpoint ... isn't it? IS IT TRUE ??? anyone can say something is true ... but if it is a lie no matter who writes it no writing can change a lie to truth ...

We are on a prison planet ... it took them billions of years to create this ... NO ONE ESCAPES from a prison planet ... NO ONE until Siddhartha Gautama Buddha did 2500 years ago ... any religion that tells you that you have no power and only god has power and any other power is the devil will never get you off this planet
it takes a being with a lot of power to get off this planet ... and giving all your power to a god that someone says exists isn't going to get you off the planet.

these are control religions ... I went back to see Christ on the Cross .. and started running the session myself using the class 8 auditor and her meter to do it.

I got back there ... Christ looked like he was in a very lot of pain ... I decided to go inside his body and see what was happening and a force a very big force was hitting me when I was in his body .. it was too much and I could not stay inside the body .. I got out and I saw a huge oval of gold light in front of him ... I thought he was making it .... I followed the light into the sky and it was a UFO ... and that UFO was hitting Christ with some kind of beam ... and it was flooding the crowd with pictures to create a future dark age ... I yelled ... it was a trick ... it was a trick ... it was a trick ...

now IS THIS TRUE ..????? ... it was very real to me ... but it can also be just another can of worms ....

by the way ... the force fields that trapped us to this planet have been removed ... by the andromedians . ... if you die this time you can go home ... where ;ever that was .... so future?? ... i am staying here ... this place will be the new beginning for the entire universe and when it is safe for them to come down they will teach us and we will be new light of this universe ... why because we were the gods they sent here and to them we are still looked at as royalty and they are trying to free us ...

jim

thunder24
13th May 2013, 18:25
... this is because THIS STUFF IS SO TRUE IT CAN'T HELP BUT HIT PEOPLE PERSONALLY. It hits the implants that were put in you to scramble your memory and load you full of garbage so you could never escape this planet exactly what it was designed to do. And if you let it I will probably be back here a hundred lifetimes later and see you still trapped on this prison planet ... oh .. sorry I forgot .. the force fields that trap everyone have been removed ... so when you die you are free to go anywhere you like ..

and that is the best shot I can give you.

jim
i bolded ur quote.... how can u make those statements, and then just b like oh i forgot....when earlier today u were very clear that we were gonna b the first planet to do something big in universe... but its so easily forgotten. many lifetimes you will b back on this prison planet...oh but wait its not a prison planet anymore...that makes no sense to me.... can u clarify how u could of forgot that the "fence" was down.... SEEMS Like that wouldn't b something forgotten, by the one trying to teach?!

you are free to go and there is nothing to stop you ... but I will stay here ... and from my knowingness ..to be on this planet you will have to meet a higher level vibration limit ... those below this limit will not qualify and can go back to their home planets or to other planets that more or less match there vibration level ... of course people will be allowed to come here for training and processing if they desire but they can not live here without invitation ... this means any of the lower levels like those in the cabal criminals perverts ... will have to raise their vibration to a high enough level to be accepted ... They literally would not fit here ...and would be uncomfortable as much as those who live with them and it is better they be matched to levels closer to them.

again, if the fences are removed, why would u see someone here on a prison planet , a hundred lifetimes from now, if its not a prison planet, since u forgot the fences were gone?

Sidney
13th May 2013, 18:28
(...)OK ... that is why I am trying to tell the story of Metteyya ... I have this body on this planet but I also have one on a ship that is near this planet (...)

Hi jiminii, welcome to this forum. Interesting starting thread I must say!

I have a question, is this one of your bodies as well here on earth:

Is this the Voice of Revelation that Spoke to Jesus and Muhammad?
Thread about The voice of revelation (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58721-Is-this-the-Voice-of-Revelation-that-Spoke-to-Jesus-and-Muhammad&p=668228&viewfull=1#post668228)

Marshall Vian Summers (http://newmessage.org/nmfg/The_Messenger_Marshall_Vian_Summers.html) say he is God's/source messenger for this time in human history. So I am curious if this are one of your bodies or if this might be another soul working for humankind? Your message seems to differ slightly though!

Thanks in advance

Hi jiminii,

I am sorry to bother you again, but I am not sure if you answered my question. Maybe you did, and I did not understand the answer due to all filters communication have to penetrate. But if you didn't I am very curious about the answer to this question.

Thanks again

maybe you won't believe this and maybe you can't but everyone believed in reincarnation in the days of Christ ... but Constantine needed a way to control the people so all passages of reincarnation was removed from the bible ... and he put in it's place The Persian idea of heaven and hell and one life to live so they can control the people ... there are stories of Christ in Tibet ... he was gone all those years ... and he was trained by the Tibetian buddhsit ...
so this is another viewpoint ... isn't it? IS IT TRUE ??? anyone can say something is true ... but if it is a lie no matter who writes it no writing can change a lie to truth ...

We are on a prison planet ... it took them billions of years to create this ... NO ONE ESCAPES from a prison planet ... NO ONE until Siddhartha Gautama Buddha did 2500 years ago ... any religion that tells you that you have no power and only god has power and any other power is the devil will never get you off this planet
it takes a being with a lot of power to get off this planet ... and giving all your power to a god that someone says exists isn't going to get you off the planet.

these are control religions ... I went back to see Christ on the Cross .. and started running the session myself using the class 8 auditor and her meter to do it.

I got back there ... Christ looked like he was in a very lot of pain ... I decided to go inside his body and see what was happening and a force a very big force was hitting me when I was in his body .. it was too much and I could not stay inside the body .. I got out and I saw a huge oval of gold light in front of him ... I thought he was making it .... I followed the light into the sky and it was a UFO ... and that UFO was hitting Christ with some kind of beam ... and it was flooding the crowd with pictures to create a future dark age ... I yelled ... it was a trick ... it was a trick ... it was a trick ...

now IS THIS TRUE ..????? ... it was very real to me ... but it can also be just another can of worms ....

by the way ... the force fields that trapped us to this planet have been removed ... by the andromedians . ... if you die this time you can go home ... where ;ever that was .... so future?? ... i am staying here ... this place will be the new beginning for the entire universe and when it is safe for them to come down they will teach us and we will be new light of this universe ... why because we were the gods they sent here and to them we are still looked at as royalty and they are trying to free us ...

jim

Is that why we have a toilet instead of a throne??????????? Just kidding. Thought id throw a little humor in here...Seriously though, if its the andromedians, can I ask which ships are theirs when we look in the sky??? Are they somewhat identifiable at all?

eaglespirit
13th May 2013, 18:29
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(mod hat on)

Hi, Jim -- see above -- please use the REPLY WITH QUOTE button on the bottom left of any post you want to reply to; or else you're doing yourself a disservice as readers will NOT know what you are referring to.

The above post is a good example. I cannot see who you were replying to. Only you knew that! Not the reader.

Note that you can also EDIT POST (another button), to add clarity, correct errors, or reformat what you have written... at any time.

As a Scientologist, you will understand when I recommend that you read again what you have written (before you post it!) -- from the viewpoint of others who are not you. :)

do i have to do this to all my posts ??? wow ... might take awhile?

Jim...just keep moving forward now, imho

Bill Ryan
13th May 2013, 18:31
Seriously though, if its the andromedians, can I ask which ships are theirs when we look in the sky??? Are they somewhat identifiable at all?

We'll have to ask Buzz Lightyear. :)

Seriously also, I don't know of and have never seen or heard of any taxonomy that identifies ETs by their kind of craft (except possibly the Pleiadian Beamships, much photographed by Billy Meier, which appear to be quite distinctive).

:focus:

eaglespirit
13th May 2013, 18:33
... this is because THIS STUFF IS SO TRUE IT CAN'T HELP BUT HIT PEOPLE PERSONALLY. It hits the implants that were put in you to scramble your memory and load you full of garbage so you could never escape this planet exactly what it was designed to do. And if you let it I will probably be back here a hundred lifetimes later and see you still trapped on this prison planet ... oh .. sorry I forgot .. the force fields that trap everyone have been removed ... so when you die you are free to go anywhere you like ..

and that is the best shot I can give you.

jim
i bolded ur quote.... how can u make those statements, and then just b like oh i forgot....when earlier today u were very clear that we were gonna b the first planet to do something big in universe... but its so easily forgotten. many lifetimes you will b back on this prison planet...oh but wait its not a prison planet anymore...that makes no sense to me.... can u clarify how u could of forgot that the "fence" was down.... SEEMS Like that wouldn't b something forgotten, by the one trying to teach?!

you are free to go and there is nothing to stop you ... but I will stay here ... and from my knowingness ..to be on this planet you will have to meet a higher level vibration limit ... those below this limit will not qualify and can go back to their home planets or to other planets that more or less match there vibration level ... of course people will be allowed to come here for training and processing if they desire but they can not live here without invitation ... this means any of the lower levels like those in the cabal criminals perverts ... will have to raise their vibration to a high enough level to be accepted ... They literally would not fit here ...and would be uncomfortable as much as those who live with them and it is better they be matched to levels closer to them.

again, if the fences are removed, why would u see someone here on a prison planet , a hundred lifetimes from now, if its not a prison planet, since u forgot the fences were gone?

Thunder...I think it was a bit tongue and cheek joking...
...and...
If something has been there for millions of years and is gone now...it would be hard to put the "new" of it here and now while presently sharing.

jiminii
13th May 2013, 18:39
(...)OK ... that is why I am trying to tell the story of Metteyya ... I have this body on this planet but I also have one on a ship that is near this planet (...)

Hi jiminii, welcome to this forum. Interesting starting thread I must say!

I have a question, is this one of your bodies as well here on earth:

Is this the Voice of Revelation that Spoke to Jesus and Muhammad?
Thread about The voice of revelation (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58721-Is-this-the-Voice-of-Revelation-that-Spoke-to-Jesus-and-Muhammad&p=668228&viewfull=1#post668228)

Marshall Vian Summers (http://newmessage.org/nmfg/The_Messenger_Marshall_Vian_Summers.html) say he is God's/source messenger for this time in human history. So I am curious if this are one of your bodies or if this might be another soul working for humankind? Your message seems to differ slightly though!

Thanks in advance

Hi jiminii,

I am sorry to bother you again, but I am not sure if you answered my question. Maybe you did, and I did not understand the answer due to all filters communication have to penetrate. But if you didn't I am very curious about the answer to this question.

Thanks again

maybe you won't believe this and maybe you can't but everyone believed in reincarnation in the days of Christ ... but Constantine needed a way to control the people so all passages of reincarnation was removed from the bible ... and he put in it's place The Persian idea of heaven and hell and one life to live so they can control the people ... there are stories of Christ in Tibet ... he was gone all those years ... and he was trained by the Tibetian buddhsit ...
so this is another viewpoint ... isn't it? IS IT TRUE ??? anyone can say something is true ... but if it is a lie no matter who writes it no writing can change a lie to truth ...

We are on a prison planet ... it took them billions of years to create this ... NO ONE ESCAPES from a prison planet ... NO ONE until Siddhartha Gautama Buddha did 2500 years ago ... any religion that tells you that you have no power and only god has power and any other power is the devil will never get you off this planet
it takes a being with a lot of power to get off this planet ... and giving all your power to a god that someone says exists isn't going to get you off the planet.

these are control religions ... I went back to see Christ on the Cross .. and started running the session myself using the class 8 auditor and her meter to do it.

I got back there ... Christ looked like he was in a very lot of pain ... I decided to go inside his body and see what was happening and a force a very big force was hitting me when I was in his body .. it was too much and I could not stay inside the body .. I got out and I saw a huge oval of gold light in front of him ... I thought he was making it .... I followed the light into the sky and it was a UFO ... and that UFO was hitting Christ with some kind of beam ... and it was flooding the crowd with pictures to create a future dark age ... I yelled ... it was a trick ... it was a trick ... it was a trick ...

now IS THIS TRUE ..????? ... it was very real to me ... but it can also be just another can of worms ....

by the way ... the force fields that trapped us to this planet have been removed ... by the andromedians . ... if you die this time you can go home ... where ;ever that was .... so future?? ... i am staying here ... this place will be the new beginning for the entire universe and when it is safe for them to come down they will teach us and we will be new light of this universe ... why because we were the gods they sent here and to them we are still looked at as royalty and they are trying to free us ...

jim

ok I can tell you about me ... to answer your question ... I have 4 bodies on this planet ... 2 are in underwater bases protected by a time portal .. one in the pacific and one in the atlantic ... and another in a UFO base on the himalaya mountains ... we didn't time date them so whether they are here now or from an earlier past I didn't find out ... but I can look and know ... the one in the himalayas is being blocked .. so don't know ... the one in the pacific and atlantic are permanently stationed there ...

Bill Ryan
13th May 2013, 18:43
I have 4 bodies on this planet ...

[snip]

No time just now to elaborate, but I want to confirm that this kind of apparently off-the-wall information is real. Our higher selves can operate more than one identity as a human. This is addressed and processed at the very highest levels of the Ron's Org ''bridge', and was researched by CBR in the 1980s.

thunder24
13th May 2013, 18:50
would b nice if the time was found though to elaborate in the future?...please and thankyou.


I have 4 bodies on this planet ...

[snip]

No time just now to elaborate, but I want to confirm that this kind of apparently off-the-wall information is real. Our higher selves can operate more than one identity as a human. This is addressed and processed at the very highest levels of the Ron's Org ''bridge', and was researched by CBR in the 1980s.

Limor Wolf
13th May 2013, 19:13
I have 4 bodies on this planet ...

[snip]

No time just now to elaborate, but I want to confirm that this kind of apparently off-the-wall information is real. Our higher selves can operate more than one identity as a human. This is addressed and processed at the very highest levels of the Ron's Org ''bridge', and was researched by CBR in the 1980s.

This is interesting. Our higher self can operate more than one identity for sure, but other sources (I don't remember specifically which right now) also indicate that it can't all be human and all on the same planet at the same time, parallel universes - maybe, other planets - possibly, but occupation of separate bodies on the same planet can potentially cause a problem. I wonder how it fits in with the problematic and the option that these bodies may meet.

InCiDeR
13th May 2013, 19:15
(...)OK ... that is why I am trying to tell the story of Metteyya ... I have this body on this planet but I also have one on a ship that is near this planet (...)

Hi jiminii, welcome to this forum. Interesting starting thread I must say!

I have a question, is this one of your bodies as well here on earth:

Is this the Voice of Revelation that Spoke to Jesus and Muhammad?
Thread about The voice of revelation (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58721-Is-this-the-Voice-of-Revelation-that-Spoke-to-Jesus-and-Muhammad&p=668228&viewfull=1#post668228)

Marshall Vian Summers (http://newmessage.org/nmfg/The_Messenger_Marshall_Vian_Summers.html) say he is God's/source messenger for this time in human history. So I am curious if this are one of your bodies or if this might be another soul working for humankind? Your message seems to differ slightly though!

Thanks in advance

Hi jiminii,

I am sorry to bother you again, but I am not sure if you answered my question. Maybe you did, and I did not understand the answer due to all filters communication have to penetrate. But if you didn't I am very curious about the answer to this question.

Thanks again

maybe you won't believe this and maybe you can't but everyone believed in reincarnation in the days of Christ ... but Constantine needed a way to control the people so all passages of reincarnation was removed from the bible ... and he put in it's place The Persian idea of heaven and hell and one life to live so they can control the people ... there are stories of Christ in Tibet ... he was gone all those years ... and he was trained by the Tibetian buddhsit ...
so this is another viewpoint ... isn't it? IS IT TRUE ??? anyone can say something is true ... but if it is a lie no matter who writes it no writing can change a lie to truth ...

We are on a prison planet ... it took them billions of years to create this ... NO ONE ESCAPES from a prison planet ... NO ONE until Siddhartha Gautama Buddha did 2500 years ago ... any religion that tells you that you have no power and only god has power and any other power is the devil will never get you off this planet
it takes a being with a lot of power to get off this planet ... and giving all your power to a god that someone says exists isn't going to get you off the planet.

these are control religions ... I went back to see Christ on the Cross .. and started running the session myself using the class 8 auditor and her meter to do it.

I got back there ... Christ looked like he was in a very lot of pain ... I decided to go inside his body and see what was happening and a force a very big force was hitting me when I was in his body .. it was too much and I could not stay inside the body .. I got out and I saw a huge oval of gold light in front of him ... I thought he was making it .... I followed the light into the sky and it was a UFO ... and that UFO was hitting Christ with some kind of beam ... and it was flooding the crowd with pictures to create a future dark age ... I yelled ... it was a trick ... it was a trick ... it was a trick ...

now IS THIS TRUE ..????? ... it was very real to me ... but it can also be just another can of worms ....

by the way ... the force fields that trapped us to this planet have been removed ... by the andromedians . ... if you die this time you can go home ... where ;ever that was .... so future?? ... i am staying here ... this place will be the new beginning for the entire universe and when it is safe for them to come down they will teach us and we will be new light of this universe ... why because we were the gods they sent here and to them we are still looked at as royalty and they are trying to free us ...

jim

Thank you for your answer Jim.

One thing though, which I can't really grasp yet:

If you are awake, aware and are the second coming of Buddha called Metteyya.... and Marshall Vian Summers are awake, aware and are a messenger of God.

How come you have different view and teachings? There are of course many things that are similar between your teachings/information, but also many things that are far apart. Isn't that like the old religion (or belief system) war is once more in play?

Am I missing something fundamental?

Hervé
13th May 2013, 19:26
[...]


jiminii, i'm not saying what you talk about is bs but if you can do all these fancy things, why is the world such a sh*thole?

Because so many who have these abilities as well have not really woken up to them yet. One can only do so much, I think.

[...]

True.

Another thing to take into account are the various implants that make one "create" the world one wishes to live in on a reverse vector.

Hence if one consciously wishes a world of peace, one's implanted unconscious creates a world of conflicts and wars:


[...]

Although it’s a fairly simple implant but it was quite effective in lousing people up because it interrupted them from creating what they would have created and took away what mock-ups that he did have and it stop the cycle and it put something there that is unwanted and so when they tried to create, they created it [the “unwanted”]. They fixed his attention by “protest.”

[...]

InCiDeR
13th May 2013, 19:33
[...]


jiminii, i'm not saying what you talk about is bs but if you can do all these fancy things, why is the world such a sh*thole?

Because so many who have these abilities as well have not really woken up to them yet. One can only do so much, I think.

[...]

True.

Another thing to take into account are the various implants that make one "create" the world one wishes to live in on a reverse vector.

Hence if one consciously wishes a world of peace, one's implanted unconscious creates a world of conflicts and wars:


[...]

[FONT=Tahoma]Although it’s a fairly simple implant but it was quite effective in lousing people up because it interrupted them from creating what they would have created and took away what mock-ups that he did have and it stop the cycle and it put something there that is unwanted and so when they tried to create, they created it [the “unwanted”]. They fixed his attention by “protest.”

[...]

... so you saying it is better to consciously wish to create a world of conflicts and wars?

christian
13th May 2013, 19:47
I have 4 bodies on this planet ...

[snip]

No time just now to elaborate, but I want to confirm that this kind of apparently off-the-wall information is real. Our higher selves can operate more than one identity as a human.

I wonder how it fits in with the problematic and the option that these bodies may meet.

I think it's as easy as entertaining different thoughts. They can meet as well. :)

Limor Wolf
13th May 2013, 19:56
I have 4 bodies on this planet ...

[snip]

No time just now to elaborate, but I want to confirm that this kind of apparently off-the-wall information is real. Our higher selves can operate more than one identity as a human.

I wonder how it fits in with the problematic and the option that these bodies may meet.

I think it's as easy as entertaining different thoughts. They can meet as well. :)


Thoughts can meet, but can not have children together, bodies can :)

Hervé
13th May 2013, 19:57
[...]

ok I can tell you about me ... to answer your question ... I have 4 bodies on this planet ... 2 are in underwater bases protected by a time portal .. one in the pacific and one in the atlantic ... and another in a UFO base on the himalaya mountains ... we didn't time date them so whether they are here now or from an earlier past I didn't find out ... but I can look and know ... the one in the himalayas is being blocked .. so don't know ... the one in the pacific and atlantic are permanently stationed there ...

About other functioning bodies in other areas or off planet:



THE ROLE OF THE EARTH
November 1952
[excerpts, fair use]

I [LRH] took a little girl one night during a demonstration and put her on the E-Meter - started questioning her and the next thing you knew this little girl was shaking in such a degree that the chair legs were rattling against the floor - I was going at her about something just to show the class what the series of questions would be about current life - and she said: "You mustn't ask me any questions. You mustn't ask me any questions. You mustn't. You mustn't. You mustn't."

"Where are you?"

"I am sitting before a big panel... I didn't use to sit there - I am sitting there right now. This - that's me. I - I sit in front of this panel. This is my job! This is my job. I am not supposed to tell you what my job is, but there's this panel." and so forth.

I said: "It's a communicator switchboard"

"No-ooo!" and she just starts going on .

I said: "Well, you wouldn't mind telling me the codes that go across the panel..." and she passed right straight on out. She'd never heard of bodies in pawn or other governments or invader forces or anything of the sort. So I snapped her around and carried on with the rest of the questioning, and was simply able to do so because I happened to know - this is a very funny thing to say - but I happen to know her commanding officer! And gave her - silly, isn't it - and gave her the messages which had gone across her panel an hour before, at which moment she quieted down.

And she says: "Well, I'll probably be taken all to pieces in the morning". And so I said: "No, you will not be." And she wasn't. But she was a communicator who was running a communications switchboard. She's a communicator in a system known as the space stations.

The space stations exist out here in the solar system. They use the asteroids. It's a very peculiar system. This solar system has a broken up planet (smojers) - the asteroid belt. It gives a low-gravity platform for take off and so on, and that broken planet is of considerable interest as a space station - that is to say, as a galactic jump (spring board).

Now, there aren't any planets up at this end of the galaxy which form a good galactic entering spot for incoming transport and other ships. But this beautiful, broken up planet here with a light - gravity sun and moon, makes a very ideal spot. And as a result, this area of the solar system got into prominence. It got into a little bit of prominence, and it's slightly a house of contention.

The 4th Invader Force was there. The 5th Invader Force came in to use this area - and the name of this solar system is Space Station 33.

They started to use this area without suspecting that the 4th Invader Force had been there for God knows how many skillion years, had been sitting down - and they have their installations up on Mars, and they have a tremendous, screened operation. It has gone into 100% holding force. And it does everything it does with tremendous coversion. It's sitting behind a defense screen of enormous size, and nobody - it's practically impossible to penetrate that except as a Thetan. And if you penetrate it as a Thetan, you go through the Martian Screen, and they got you!
Once "they" got you, then you're a new implanted recruit, put in a body which is gonna be used as a "body in pawn (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59041-LRH--L.-Ron-Hubbard-&p=673114&viewfull=1#post673114)" for your new mission on Earth or whatever planet "they" want to send you to.


The 5th Invader Force all of a sudden started to lose crews and they didn't know where they were going. And they got a little more upset about it and a little more upset and a little more upset about it. And a battalion was sent down here to Earth 8200 years ago - The 3rd Battalion. They came down in the Himalayas - the upper head lands, up about, oh, I'd say 72 miles NW of Khyber Pass - and put a base there, and still not believing that there was anything like an Invader Force operating in this system, failed to take any vaguest precautions with regard to their installations. They put up no defenses; after all, what was here? Nothing but Homo sapiens. That was just nothing, no danger, no menace, and so on.

And they were in this installation just for a very short time when all of a sudden, with a terrific crash, the 4th Invader Force - which was a little more active then than it has become since - knocked out this whole battalion (3,000 beings) and picked up all of its staff, all of its staff officers and so forth, and took them through to Mars and then knocked them back into this human race here. They are still here. There are saucer crews here; there are all sorts of things on Earth here from the 5th Invader Force. Very interesting.

And the 5th Invader Force, out of its own protection, took over Venus - oh, relatively in modern times - took over Venus and tried to stabilize the Venusian. If you called a 5th Invader, though, a Venusian, he would probably shoot out of hand, because it would be a horrible insult. They merely monitor the government of Venus, and they leave Mars strictly alone.

Now, this is really, roughly, a rundown of the "political" situation in the solar system. Now, that's very interesting, because it gives you, as preclears, bodies in pawns of the 4th Invader Force. It gives you tremendous amount of personnel that have been poured down here for various nefarious purposes, all of them under some kind of a covert direction (other determinism). Typical game: Every goal they've gotten, they have a reason why they can't reach the goal, see? I mean typical game sort of an implant these people are operating on. They're relatively inefficient but, boy, can they hold onto things! Do they accumulate MEST and that sort of thing! You've got your big holding operations. And you've got running through this a 5th Invader Force operation which is strictly, really, disinterested in Earth ("They are not interested in you") at all, as such, because Earth is heavy - gravity planet, and who the hell wants a heavy-gravity planet?

Earth has been consistently used as a prison; and it's a prison, and it is heavily screened. There are installations in Mongolia, there are installations in the Pyrenees here on Earth, and there are installations down in the Mountains of the Moon (Central Africa between Uganda and Zaire) which pick up, very often, people on death. And the thetan just doesn't know what is going on.

He's in a state of deep hypnosis, really and the moment he finds himself in association with a dead body, the thing keys [in] and he reports to where he's supposed to go. And he's changed and moved around here and there and comes back down.

Really, from death back to assumption of a new body and so on, is ordinarily a time period of 15 minutes and he as 3 engrams in those 15 minutes: 1) Death 2) The [memory] wipeout and implants between lives 3) the assumption - knocking out the GE and taking over a body at birth.PS: for a glossary of terms see: http://www.xenu-directory.net/glossary/glossary_a.htm

Flash
13th May 2013, 19:59
I thought our higher higher self is all of us together. We are all of us, literally. This is why in Hoponoonoo for example, we say "I love you, please forgive me, I am sorry, thank you", this is addressed to oneself, if one wish, to another person, if one wish, to nature, if one wish, because it is all the same. It is not important to whom it is addressed, it is only important that it be addressed and forgiveness ask/given.

Jim, therefore yes, you are in 4 individuals, and still higher up we are both one, you and I. Your decisions are mine and vice versa. The stupidity of my neighbour is mine, the sadism heartless ptb is me as well. This is what was meant, by Jesus I think, when it is said that he carried the sins of all men and "saved" us by taking it upon himself. Because we are all one, as responsible for our neighbour as for ourselves, in much higher up spheres of beingness (oversoul).

Now if we trickle it down, it would make perfect sense that this energy gets individualized within some subgroups and finally the individuals. These subgroups are nations, cantons, families, time frames, on 3D levels, as well as souled individuals from the same trickled down spark on the soul level.

So, I love you Jim, please forgive me, I am sorry, thank you.

Paul
13th May 2013, 20:04
do i have to do this to all my posts ??? wow ... might take awhile?


Jim...just keep moving forward now, imho

No need to go back to old posts, Jim.

It's looking good now ... keep on truckin'.

Thanks!

(I went back myself just now and added the QUOTE's to which you seemed to be responding, to a few of your old posts ... editing member posts is something I can do quite quickly and easily now ... I have had much practice.)

christian
13th May 2013, 20:05
Thoughts can meet, but can not have children together, bodies can :)

Ha, I surely hope thoughts can have children! :cool:

I'd think genetic siblings having children is much more delicate than one soul in different bodies producing an offspring using their earthly bodies.

Hervé
13th May 2013, 20:05
[...]

... so you saying it is better to consciously wish to create a world of conflicts and wars?

jiminii gave you the clue as to how to make a "wish"/postulate come true and is what he is trying hard to start explaining how to go about it....

Sierra
13th May 2013, 20:17
I have 4 bodies on this planet ...

[snip]

No time just now to elaborate, but I want to confirm that this kind of apparently off-the-wall information is real. Our higher selves can operate more than one identity as a human. This is addressed and processed at the very highest levels of the Ron's Org ''bridge', and was researched by CBR in the 1980s.

Michael Newton (wrote books on life between lives, trained hypnotists to access the life between lives, rather than past lives ... ) says the same thing, that a person can have more than one body on earth during their "lifetime". He warns though, that both bodies will have a lower energy level than that of a body/person occupying one body. As well, everyone is here only partially. No one can cram their entire High Self into one body, a "human" body just cannot hold that kind of energy. As well, a portion of every Self is still back "there at home" while residing on earth. This is what allows you to access people alive OR dead while doing regression to life between lives.

I did a life between lives regression last year, and I am still processing and integrating the information I learned. Cannot recommend it highly enough.

That LRH was able to do what he did, while sharing his High Self in more than one body, speaks to the energy and power of his spirit.

Sierra

Limor Wolf
13th May 2013, 20:23
Thoughts can meet, but can not have children together, bodies can :)

Ha, I surely hope thoughts can have children! :cool:

I'd think genetic siblings having children is much more delicate than one soul in different bodies producing an offspring using their earthly bodies.

I needed to read it twice :) I feel that the complexity of a soul meeting 'itself' is beyond our grasp at this time, but even a one minute of reflection on this issue can demonstrate how impossible that is. And in relations to what Flash wrote in her post, the concept of our higer 'all knowing self' which very well may be the entirety of our soul (that can not be inhbited by one physical body) and the concept of 'we are all one', may very well be two different concepts, although connected in some higher realm of existance. We are all from one source who split up to many' inteligences'/souls , or it may be that we are the source ourselvs (I like that one!). But this line of thought is probably derailing this LRH thread

eaglespirit
13th May 2013, 20:28
Just got back in from working on the house in the mountain,

I first of all want to say "thank you" to all here...
for working together to keep this together!

...aaannnddddd I am going off like an orchestra of singing Tibetan bowls at the moment
after reading a bit more here!!!

Let's help Mother Earth help Herself moreso and All of Humanity
with some Loving Togetherness Upward Mobility Energy : )

InCiDeR
13th May 2013, 20:30
[...]

... so you saying it is better to consciously wish to create a world of conflicts and wars?

jiminii gave you the clue as to how to make a "wish"/postulate come true and is what he is trying hard to start explaining how to go about it....

Thanks. I will look for the clue, even if I already know how to make a "wish" come true, it will still be interesting to see another approach.

jiminii
14th May 2013, 02:00
I have 4 bodies on this planet ...

[snip]

No time just now to elaborate, but I want to confirm that this kind of apparently off-the-wall information is real. Our higher selves can operate more than one identity as a human. This is addressed and processed at the very highest levels of the Ron's Org ''bridge', and was researched by CBR in the 1980s.

ok in session with trey running the commands that were on the time track of theta tapes I will give you what we found
this is the first time Trey ever ran these commands ... they have never been in the scientology lineup as far as I know

there is a body on an underseas base in the devils triangle hidden by a time portal .. when that portal opens to let UFOs in or out if there are ships or airplanes in the area they can be sucked through the time portal and disappear .. and they can also reappear ... what happens to them I don't know ... but any spirit beings going through the time portal unprotected or who are not trained to move their bodies through these portals with their bodies will separate from their bodies and the bodies will arrive on the other side dead ... as far as i know .. but i have no proof.

there s another body in the dragons triangle in the pacific with similar phenomenon happening and I have a body there.

I have a body on a base in the himalayas .. but in session this came up ... that body does not want to be known ... so whether it is there or not I don't know .. if I try to look there it is blocked ...

so that is 3 bodies and me on the planet

there is a body on a base on one of the moons of saturn and on the command ship in this solar system that may be here or not in present time
there is a body on another spaceship but in some other part of the galaxy

there is a body on base 2 and that base might be in a time portal between here and the future and you would really have to be a much higher level to locate base 2

there is a body that is working in the government system of this galaxy he is very high up in the political structure but I have no way to describe what his title would be ... but it would be similar to a senator but much more ...

then suddenly we got all these new spirit beings that were sent here to raise the vibratons and we ended session because it would take forever to locate them

from looking with my knowingness they are still there doing whatever functions they do ... but I can not prove it

if one of you have the ability to look in these locations maybe you can verify the data ...

jiminii
14th May 2013, 02:12
Thoughts can meet, but can not have children together, bodies can :)

Ha, I surely hope thoughts can have children! :cool:

I'd think genetic siblings having children is much more delicate than one soul in different bodies producing an offspring using their earthly bodies.

I needed to read it twice :) I feel that the complexity of a soul meeting 'itself' is beyond our grasp at this time, but even a one minute of reflection on this issue can demonstrate how impossible that is. And in relations to what Flash wrote in her post, the concept of our higer 'all knowing self' which very well may be the entirety of our soul (that can not be inhbited by one physical body) and the concept of 'we are all one', may very well be two different concepts, although connected in some higher realm of existance. We are all from one source who split up to many' inteligences'/souls , or it may be that we are the source ourselvs (I like that one!). But this line of thought is probably derailing this LRH thread

you can get this data in the time track of theta tapes

how we broke off in pieces from the main source and more pieces broke off from bigger pieces and they ARE STILL SOURCE ... and they can operated at different levels ... the part that is creating this universe is one ... then the part that creates the viewpoints is another ... the viewpoints each have their own individual track even though they are connected to the same spirit being ... my viewpoint and cog on this is that if we can get back to the spirit awareness that is creating all the viewpoints, that awareness can align all the viewpoints it is running ... in other words this is why we have to wait for the new technology ... you have to be able to go to the source awareness part of your beingness that can see alll the viewpoints and manage them and then you can audit them all ... it is kind of like if you can get out of your body you can repair anything in your physical body by looking and knowing ... and this same thing can be done from the source awareness that is running and managing all the viewpoints it created

jiminii
14th May 2013, 02:23
[...]

... so you saying it is better to consciously wish to create a world of conflicts and wars?

jiminii gave you the clue as to how to make a "wish"/postulate come true and is what he is trying hard to start explaining how to go about it....

Thanks. I will look for the clue, even if I already know how to make a "wish" come true, it will still be interesting to see another approach.

every single part of this universe was and is being created by our thoughts ,... if it is here we created it ... if it is not then we probably decided to not create it .... this includes LOVE ... if you go back to the beginning of everything there is nothing ..not even love ... every emotion every consideration everything ... that is here is a creation of all the spirits in it either collectively or individually and any and all of it can be known or not known .... created or made to disappear ... therefore we can change any of it ... if you don't like mosquitoes then you just go back to their original creation and as a group thought make them go away

jiminii
14th May 2013, 02:35
I have 4 bodies on this planet ...

[snip]

No time just now to elaborate, but I want to confirm that this kind of apparently off-the-wall information is real. Our higher selves can operate more than one identity as a human. This is addressed and processed at the very highest levels of the Ron's Org ''bridge', and was researched by CBR in the 1980s.

Michael Newton (wrote books on life between lives, trained hypnotists to access the life between lives, rather than past lives ... ) says the same thing, that a person can have more than one body on earth during their "lifetime". He warns though, that both bodies will have a lower energy level than that of a body/person occupying one body. As well, everyone is here only partially. No one can cram their entire High Self into one body, a "human" body just cannot hold that kind of energy. As well, a portion of every Self is still back "there at home" while residing on earth. This is what allows you to access people alive OR dead while doing regression to life between lives.

I did a life between lives regression last year, and I am still processing and integrating the information I learned. Cannot recommend it highly enough.

That LRH was able to do what he did, while sharing his High Self in more than one body, speaks to the energy and power of his spirit.

Sierra

the viewpoint can be any size ... if you think you are only the size of your body that is what you wll be able to handle ... but by viewing take a look across USA up and down the coast lines from north america to south america and then you will be occupying the space of the america's and if you put in you thoughts with your space this size it will reach all of the america's and create effects through out ,, it is only consideration that can stop anything just like luke skywalker in star wars ... he considers the ship is too big therefore he can not levitate it ... when I make my thoughts I make the end thing ... "I have a car" ... then this thought will go in the physical universe to make that happen ... it is only considerations that will stop it ,.. "oh I can't get a car ,.. I don't have that much power ... " don't fool yourself ... if you put out a powerful enough thought the car will appear created out of nothing ,,.. I can not stop hurricanes in Florida from california if my space is only the size of this body ... I hope you can see how this works and practice your thoughts ,.. if you want to sell candy to america instead of just your local area ... you need to get the space of america by looking .. just look up and down the coast and borders and everything in between and that will be the size of your space

jim

jiminii
14th May 2013, 02:47
I didn't forget ... it is just this person is saying that avalon this and avalon that ... to justify what he considers I should do and he is evaluating what he thinks my purpose for being here ... so rather than get in a battle with him I left him with that

jiminii
14th May 2013, 02:51
who declared it to b no change...
that government in the stars is a no change system ... if anyone tries to change it they will be here ,.. so artist and genius and engineers will end up here because they are always trying to change the system ... also the perverts and degraded beings and criminals are sent here too ... the only thing that left is the workers .. .. so even that place must be rehabilitated. everything will start new from here ... so that is why I will be staying here

jim

download the free being tape if they have it ... it will tell you everything about the government up there

jim

Czarek
14th May 2013, 02:53
Looking for “time track of theta tapes”. Anyone willing to share?

jiminii
14th May 2013, 03:01
you are free to go and there is nothing to stop you ... but I will stay here ... and from my knowingness ..to be on this planet you will have to meet a higher level vibration limit ... those below this limit will not qualify and can go back to their home planets or to other planets that more or less match there vibration level ... of course people will be allowed to come here for training and processing if they desire but they can not live here without invitation ... this means any of the lower levels like those in the cabal criminals perverts ... will have to raise their vibration to a high enough level to be accepted ... They literally would not fit here ...and would be uncomfortable as much as those who live with them and it is better they be matched to levels closer to them.

again, if the fences are removed, why would u see someone here on a prison planet , a hundred lifetimes from now, if its not a prison planet, since u forgot the fences were gone?

Thunder...I think it was a bit tongue and cheek joking...
...and...
If something has been there for millions of years and is gone now...it would be hard to put the "new" of it here and now while presently sharing.

most people coming on the planet have been coming in the last 500 years from the last war up there ... so you haven't been here that long ... but you might find that being here might not be such a bad idea

jiminii
14th May 2013, 03:14
maybe you won't believe this and maybe you can't but everyone believed in reincarnation in the days of Christ ... but Constantine needed a way to control the people so all passages of reincarnation was removed from the bible ... and he put in it's place The Persian idea of heaven and hell and one life to live so they can control the people ... there are stories of Christ in Tibet ... he was gone all those years ... and he was trained by the Tibetian buddhsit ...
so this is another viewpoint ... isn't it? IS IT TRUE ??? anyone can say something is true ... but if it is a lie no matter who writes it no writing can change a lie to truth ...

We are on a prison planet ... it took them billions of years to create this ... NO ONE ESCAPES from a prison planet ... NO ONE until Siddhartha Gautama Buddha did 2500 years ago ... any religion that tells you that you have no power and only god has power and any other power is the devil will never get you off this planet
it takes a being with a lot of power to get off this planet ... and giving all your power to a god that someone says exists isn't going to get you off the planet.

these are control religions ... I went back to see Christ on the Cross .. and started running the session myself using the class 8 auditor and her meter to do it.

I got back there ... Christ looked like he was in a very lot of pain ... I decided to go inside his body and see what was happening and a force a very big force was hitting me when I was in his body .. it was too much and I could not stay inside the body .. I got out and I saw a huge oval of gold light in front of him ... I thought he was making it .... I followed the light into the sky and it was a UFO ... and that UFO was hitting Christ with some kind of beam ... and it was flooding the crowd with pictures to create a future dark age ... I yelled ... it was a trick ... it was a trick ... it was a trick ...

now IS THIS TRUE ..????? ... it was very real to me ... but it can also be just another can of worms ....

by the way ... the force fields that trapped us to this planet have been removed ... by the andromedians . ... if you die this time you can go home ... where ;ever that was .... so future?? ... i am staying here ... this place will be the new beginning for the entire universe and when it is safe for them to come down they will teach us and we will be new light of this universe ... why because we were the gods they sent here and to them we are still looked at as royalty and they are trying to free us ...

jim

Thank you for your answer Jim.

One thing though, which I can't really grasp yet:

If you are awake, aware and are the second coming of Buddha called Metteyya.... and Marshall Vian Summers are awake, aware and are a messenger of God.

How come you have different view and teachings? There are of course many things that are similar between your teachings/information, but also many things that are far apart. Isn't that like the old religion (or belief system) war is once more in play?

Am I missing something fundamental?

in the days of buddha we didn't expect this government would trap all the gods on prison planets as a solution ... but the truth is we had to trap all the gods on the planet ... because the governments would not come down here to stop us from opening up the new powers in spirits but a powerful god could stop it ... so those in the future in control of running this time we are in again had all the gods trapped on the planets so they would not be able to stop the process and we would control it from the future

now this comes from knowingness ... I have no pictures in the past or past lives to come up with future predictions ... I have to look and know ... from the future and that is was I see ... you can use your picture memory to try to predict the future but the memory is so bobby trapped with disinformation it is better to not use it ... just decide to KNOW ... and operate off the better part of you

jim

thunder24
14th May 2013, 03:15
most people coming on the planet have been coming in the last 500 years from the last war up there ... so you haven't been here that long ... but you might find that being here might not be such a bad idea

who?????????

jiminii
14th May 2013, 03:18
Hi jiminii,

I am sorry to bother you again, but I am not sure if you answered my question. Maybe you did, and I did not understand the answer due to all filters communication have to penetrate. But if you didn't I am very curious about the answer to this question.

Thanks again

maybe you won't believe this and maybe you can't but everyone believed in reincarnation in the days of Christ ... but Constantine needed a way to control the people so all passages of reincarnation was removed from the bible ... and he put in it's place The Persian idea of heaven and hell and one life to live so they can control the people ... there are stories of Christ in Tibet ... he was gone all those years ... and he was trained by the Tibetian buddhsit ...
so this is another viewpoint ... isn't it? IS IT TRUE ??? anyone can say something is true ... but if it is a lie no matter who writes it no writing can change a lie to truth ...

We are on a prison planet ... it took them billions of years to create this ... NO ONE ESCAPES from a prison planet ... NO ONE until Siddhartha Gautama Buddha did 2500 years ago ... any religion that tells you that you have no power and only god has power and any other power is the devil will never get you off this planet
it takes a being with a lot of power to get off this planet ... and giving all your power to a god that someone says exists isn't going to get you off the planet.

these are control religions ... I went back to see Christ on the Cross .. and started running the session myself using the class 8 auditor and her meter to do it.

I got back there ... Christ looked like he was in a very lot of pain ... I decided to go inside his body and see what was happening and a force a very big force was hitting me when I was in his body .. it was too much and I could not stay inside the body .. I got out and I saw a huge oval of gold light in front of him ... I thought he was making it .... I followed the light into the sky and it was a UFO ... and that UFO was hitting Christ with some kind of beam ... and it was flooding the crowd with pictures to create a future dark age ... I yelled ... it was a trick ... it was a trick ... it was a trick ...

now IS THIS TRUE ..????? ... it was very real to me ... but it can also be just another can of worms ....

by the way ... the force fields that trapped us to this planet have been removed ... by the andromedians . ... if you die this time you can go home ... where ;ever that was .... so future?? ... i am staying here ... this place will be the new beginning for the entire universe and when it is safe for them to come down they will teach us and we will be new light of this universe ... why because we were the gods they sent here and to them we are still looked at as royalty and they are trying to free us ...

jim

Is that why we have a toilet instead of a throne??????????? Just kidding. Thought id throw a little humor in here...Seriously though, if its the andromedians, can I ask which ships are theirs when we look in the sky??? Are they somewhat identifiable at all?

I have only seen the inside being in one astrally .. never seen the outside of the ships except what we can find on the inernet

jiminii
14th May 2013, 03:27
again, if the fences are removed, why would u see someone here on a prison planet , a hundred lifetimes from now, if its not a prison planet, since u forgot the fences were gone?

Thunder...I think it was a bit tongue and cheek joking...
...and...
If something has been there for millions of years and is gone now...it would be hard to put the "new" of it here and now while presently sharing.

don't worry the planets and stars will still be here but the animals we put on them will be different depending on what we want ... it is just that we will not be running a linear time space continuum ... we can operate it from NOW ... or go up and down the track and play with t .... I really don't know the whole concept of but to my knowingness 80 trillion years of data is a lot to look through it you like to do it ... we don't need to be creating it again and again and again which has been happening .... we seem to repeat a lot of what we have already done in our past ... no we should just take all that data and possibly make a huge library of it and create a separate universe that can run in parallel to this one that we can use to get an external view of all of it ... there is endless possibilities since a spirit being is capable of creating endless senarios ..
jim

jiminii
14th May 2013, 03:35
Thank you for your answer Jim.

One thing though, which I can't really grasp yet:

If you are awake, aware and are the second coming of Buddha called Metteyya.... and Marshall Vian Summers are awake, aware and are a messenger of God.

How come you have different view and teachings? There are of course many things that are similar between your teachings/information, but also many things that are far apart. Isn't that like the old religion (or belief system) war is once more in play?

Am I missing something fundamental?

you can look at the second coming of Buddha as the second coming of jim or anyone else out there ... of course we die but we didn't stop playing the game ... we had to change part of the game since we come back but this time we came back from the future to repair this part of the past ... it worked ... no one in this time period ever expected it to happen ... but we did it ... and this stops the endless war with these low level spirit beings we once tried to help and educate ... they can now be put in their own universe and make wars between themselves if they like this game ... and do if forever ... but they will not be playing this game with us anymore ...

jiminii
14th May 2013, 03:40
I wonder how it fits in with the problematic and the option that these bodies may meet.

I think it's as easy as entertaining different thoughts. They can meet as well. :)


Thoughts can meet, but can not have children together, bodies can :)

if your thoughts are powerful enough they can create anything in the physical universe out of nothing ... so please don't make your children too powerful ... we might have to fight off a few dinasaurs they create out of nothing

jiminii
14th May 2013, 03:51
I thought our higher higher self is all of us together. We are all of us, literally. This is why in Hoponoonoo for example, we say "I love you, please forgive me, I am sorry, thank you", this is addressed to oneself, if one wish, to another person, if one wish, to nature, if one wish, because it is all the same. It is not important to whom it is addressed, it is only important that it be addressed and forgiveness ask/given.

Jim, therefore yes, you are in 4 individuals, and still higher up we are both one, you and I. Your decisions are mine and vice versa. The stupidity of my neighbour is mine, the sadism heartless ptb is me as well. This is what was meant, by Jesus I think, when it is said that he carried the sins of all men and "saved" us by taking it upon himself. Because we are all one, as responsible for our neighbour as for ourselves, in much higher up spheres of beingness (oversoul).

Now if we trickle it down, it would make perfect sense that this energy gets individualized within some subgroups and finally the individuals. These subgroups are nations, cantons, families, time frames, on 3D levels, as well as souled individuals from the same trickled down spark on the soul level.

So, I love you Jim, please forgive me, I am sorry, thank you.

as for jesus ... you might be surprised that what was said about jesus is not what really happened ,, constantine got all the priest and rewrote everything to their satisfaction
and set the stage to control everyone through the church and that was their plan

of course jesus obtained the total state the buddhas were trying to get and was able to vanish his body and reappear somewhere else have knives go through his body without injuring the body ... and he left with mary to other countries after the incident totally betrayed by the beings he had spoke too from the UFO ..

now this is my knowingness .., and I can't prove it ,.. but take it for whatever you want to take it ...

jim

jiminii
14th May 2013, 04:03
I thought our higher higher self is all of us together. We are all of us, literally. This is why in Hoponoonoo for example, we say "I love you, please forgive me, I am sorry, thank you", this is addressed to oneself, if one wish, to another person, if one wish, to nature, if one wish, because it is all the same. It is not important to whom it is addressed, it is only important that it be addressed and forgiveness ask/given.

Jim, therefore yes, you are in 4 individuals, and still higher up we are both one, you and I. Your decisions are mine and vice versa. The stupidity of my neighbour is mine, the sadism heartless ptb is me as well. This is what was meant, by Jesus I think, when it is said that he carried the sins of all men and "saved" us by taking it upon himself. Because we are all one, as responsible for our neighbour as for ourselves, in much higher up spheres of beingness (oversoul).

Now if we trickle it down, it would make perfect sense that this energy gets individualized within some subgroups and finally the individuals. These subgroups are nations, cantons, families, time frames, on 3D levels, as well as souled individuals from the same trickled down spark on the soul level.

So, I love you Jim, please forgive me, I am sorry, thank you.

as for jesus ... you might be surprised that what was said about jesus is not what really happened ,, constantine got all the priest and rewrote everything to their satisfaction
and set the stage to control everyone through the church and that was their plan

of course jesus obtained the total state the buddhas were trying to get and was able to vanish his body and reappear somewhere else have knives go through his body without injuring the body ... and he left with mary to other countries after the incident totally betrayed by the beings he had spoke too from the UFO ..

now this is my knowingness .., and I can't prove it ,.. but take it for whatever you want to take it ...

jim

of course if we undid everything we would all go back to the larger pieces and eventually to source itself and another thing about jesus ... is this ... you can not rely on what everything that was said about him ... he takes on the sins of the world?? ... this does not remove karma ,, this is not a solution .. this is not going to erase the pictures everyone is recording so they are not running this tape recorder in themselves loaded full of disinformation and booby traps .... of course it is an attempt to get people to let go of this endless picture recording memory so they can start new again ,... but it is only a temporary fix ... just like meditation in buddhism ...it does not erase the pictures so you can start new for real ... they can obtain enlightenment for maybe 1 or 200 years but this picture machine can be restimulated and all of the enlightenment is gone .. and has to start from beginning again

the only true way to handle is to go back and erase the creation of the automatic picture recording system completely and then the spirit has to learn how to operate off knowingness

jim

jiminii
14th May 2013, 04:17
most people coming on the planet have been coming in the last 500 years from the last war up there ... so you haven't been here that long ... but you might find that being here might not be such a bad idea

who?????????

the who is those who have been trapped here by those who won the war and decided to put them in a prison so they can take over the galaxy without having to handle all these entities who lost

jim

judymoon
14th May 2013, 04:55
most people coming on the planet have been coming in the last 500 years from the last war up there ... so you haven't been here that long ... but you might find that being here might not be such a bad idea

who?????????

the who is those who have been trapped here by those who won the war and decided to put them in a prison so they can take over the galaxy without having to handle all these entities who lost

jim
Souls lost in the recycler
war in heaven
war on earth
prison planet
ETs
drama drama drama

I have been to a place deep inside of me where there was utter peace and stillness
where the world outside looked insane

everything you are talking about is happening in the outer world.

the inner world is where peace and love and source reside

all that auditing and clearing is dealing with the outer world - the drama of consciousness in a body

its fun and exciting until it isn't - then you go inside and start your journey home

jiminii
14th May 2013, 06:52
most people coming on the planet have been coming in the last 500 years from the last war up there ... so you haven't been here that long ... but you might find that being here might not be such a bad idea

who?????????

the who is those who have been trapped here by those who won the war and decided to put them in a prison so they can take over the galaxy without having to handle all these entities who lost

jim
Souls lost in the recycler
war in heaven
war on earth
prison planet
ETs
drama drama drama

I have been to a place deep inside of me where there was utter peace and stillness
where the world outside looked insane

everything you are talking about is happening in the outer world.

the inner world is where peace and love and source reside

all that auditing and clearing is dealing with the outer world - the drama of consciousness in a body

its fun and exciting until it isn't - then you go inside and start your journey home

LRH created a chart called a tone scale ...it basically shows all the different emotional tones we are in ... but it does much more than that .. it shows how much negative charge that is restimulated inside us as compared to how much positive life force energy .. or pure thought ... we use the word theta .that is inside his beingness .... theta .. someone who is pure theta you might say is a very very clear loving person ... entheta is the opposite .. someone in an argument with you is sending you his entheta .. enturbulated thought.
the scale goes something like this
40 at the top is serenity of beingness
30 at the top is postulates ... a person postulates or decides for something to happen like 'make it rain" and it happens if your postulates work your thoughts work same thing
22 games ... these are not low level games .. it would be a game like managing all the communication on the planet through satellites and etc
21 fighting ... actually fighting is high on the tone scale ... a kind of bruce lee complete control of everything and winning
20 action ... same like maybe a football game
8 exhileration
4 enthusiasm
3.5 conservatism
3.5 interest
3.0 conservatism
2.5 boredom
2.t antagonism
1.8 pain
1.5 anger
1.2 no sympathy
1.1 covert hostility
1.0 fear
0.9 sympathy
0.8 propitiation
0.6 grief
0.375 making amends
0.06 apathy
0.0 death
then there is minus tone levels
like
pity
shame
blame
regret
controling bodies
protecting bodies
owning bodies
approval from bodies
needing bodies
worshiping bodies
and more

by looking at this chart you will be able to get into communication with someone at any tone level .. a person in grief will not communicate to a person in enthusiasm ... but will communicate to a person near his tone level. so to get in communication with a person in fear you would have to go up a little into covert hostility or down a little into sympathy

now everyone is somewhere on this tone scale ALL THE TIME ... because of how much positive life force energy he has to the amount of pain or negative thought he has in restimulation

the covert hostile person is the knife in the back person who pretends to be your friend while sticking the knife in your back ...
the reptilians operate in the tones below death owning controlling and punishing bodies

so the truth is this ... we get upset and angry at others because we also do the same things
we might get upset with the way the reptilians operate
but we also go and destroy an entire ant hill without thought of what it is doing to the ants

you can not raise peoples tone level by just being enthusiastic
the only real way to raise a persons tone level is to erase the painful pictures that are holding him down and releasing a lot of free theta (life force energy)
there is no other way that would permanently raise his tone level
he might temporarily come up by winning the lottery but you will soon find him back where he usually is.
this life time you might have a few of these painful memories in restimulation but not others
next lifetime maybe a different set .. and the next a different set .. running lifetimes does not erase the pictures

raising the vibration of he planet can also align these painful instances but is still not a permanent solution ...
only going back and erasing the first time pain of any chain of the same type of pain can erase the chain forever

of course you can always start a new painful instant in time but it won't be the same chainj
the new star children coming here do not have a picture recording system .. so they can not have pain coming in and hurting them caused by pictures .. they can only get pain from real life experience and this is not recorded so it can not come back to them in the future ... so this is a temporary solution to get our friends back off the prison planets by having the ;star people destimulate the planet and raise the vibration ... after we have everything back to where we have a safe space to audit people in we .. can start rehabilitating the entire galaxy piece by piece ... people say the reptilians are smart ... how??? if they can not see this ... it is not smart to continue for the sake of just winning and controlling the universe ... eventually they will trap or be trapped themselves too ... so these people are in constant restimulattion by their seniors and always pushing entheta to their juniors ... is that smart??? keeping everyone down so the elite of their society can rule??? even they are taken down by another like them ...

so they do not have a viable solution ether no matter how smart people say they are, hiding inside yourself is not a solution either ,.. it is a temporary solution it works for now ... but in the next life ... would you even remember how to do it again?

so we have to be willing to face our dragons and get up and do something about it ... no matter what you do ... so you have the data and know the solution you will make it happen because there is no other known solution.

jim

The Truth Is In There
14th May 2013, 11:45
most people coming on the planet have been coming in the last 500 years from the last war up there ... so you haven't been here that long ... but you might find that being here might not be such a bad idea

who?????????

the who is those who have been trapped here by those who won the war and decided to put them in a prison so they can take over the galaxy without having to handle all these entities who lost

jim

i have a different perspective on this. i don't feel trapped on earth, or that i lost something at some point. i (as a soul) use the bodies here because i find the experience useful. having an easy life where you can create everything you want with just a thought is totally unappealing to me. that doesn't help with soul growth, it would just be an endless boring existence. discomfort and struggle is what facilitates growth and that is just what's great about earth. we have discomfort and struggle in abundance, along with plenty of other "negative" things as well as their polar opposites. the "negative" things exist so we can appreciate the "positive" things even more.

you're probably right that many souls came here during the last 500 years, originate elsewhere and have only a dozen or so lives. that's why it's so hard for them to be successful in life or why they feel like they don't belong here. it takes time getting used to earth life. i've had more lives (93 as a human) and that's probably why i'm waiting for the earth changes and the fight for survival before any "golden age" starts. it's a final highlight in terms of soul growth and afterwards come the well-deserved holidays.

from a soul's perspective all our lives are just "viewpoints" (as you describe them) to help us grow, but imprisoning "viewpoints", or putting them full of implants, black magic and whatnot, will not harm the soul as that which "views" or experiences. ultimately this imprisonment and the implants etc. fulfill a useful purpose because without them we would be unable to experience those things that we, from a human perspective (not seeing the big picture), term "negative".

wavydome
14th May 2013, 12:37
this site has some LRH mp3s and the voice actually does sounds right on "Espinol.mp3" http://www.rr.cistron.nl/xenu/quotes.htm


way too short though....


i'm googling variations on:
"free being" + LRH + mp3 + download

i need mp3, not video, to listen at work, prison planet? self imprisonment? nah... working with the land seems like a decent game... all the "space opera" stuff in many lectures, the "8" books, etc, always seemed a bit odd and inaccessible if not chaotic at times, lacking serenity of beingness and aesthetics at the least, but interesting all the same... more power to the liberating aspects and practical stuff that "works for you", for us, for any who really apply it...

thanks jim and everyone for building this thread.... out and about to work some soil....

~~y

jiminii
14th May 2013, 13:17
after these thoughts started happening I find myself in trouble ... I get negative people on my lines and they somehow jam my thoughts with their think and I start running into weird situations and even dangerous situations that I have never ran into before ... so I had to find a way to handle and control these thoughts ... this finally took me to Scientology ,... but the levels of powers I was looking for was nowhere to be found, (I was looking for a group that could help me open up some spriitusl powers I was aware of but I could not see what I wanted on there charts, I would have never came into scientology looking for some way to correct the problems in my life , I believed I was too powerful and didn't need anyone to help me ..I just wanted to open up these levels to fix the planet and that was all),.. I grabbed one book after another and was totally amazed that someone had written all this down ... exactly what I needed .. but still can't find this thing about thoughts ... how to I handle them??? finally I found the phoenix lectures 3 or 4 year later... and this book tells all about how the physical universe is built and also how your thoughts work and how to make them work
I went back to Utah where my dad had a farm on top of the rocky mountains near the boarder of Colorado ...on the Indian reservation ... my dad told me to go water the ground
I said, " dad I'll create a rain storm"
he said, "you're full of ****"
a few days pass and a storm comes straight over our land and drops water ,,, to the north is clear and to the south is clear .. only a path leading straight across our land was raining
the water turn came around again
my dad asked me to go water the ground again.
I said, "dad I'll make it rain 3 days."
my dad said, "you're full of ****"
a few days pass and a storm came in and it rained 3 days and nights.
the water turn came around again
my dad asked me to go water the ground
I said, "dad are you really worried about the water?"
he said, "yes son we don't get much water here in the summer .. we need to use all we can get"
I said, "dad i'll bring in a storm and fill up all the lakes
he said, "you're full of ****"
about 4 days later a big storm came in and filled up all the lakes
and the water man came around the next day and said, "we got extra water do you need some"
my dad was really confused ...
so I said, "dad ... if you really believe you can do something ... don't you think you can do that?"
he said, "you mean like positive thinking?
I said, "yes like positive thinking.
he yelled, "now I know what your doing."
the next morning he was up at 5 am in the morning with his truck all packed up
he said, "I am going up to Idaho and sell that motel we haven't been able to sell"
and he did
when he came back he said, "you know .. I think I was able to put some rain up there in Idaho ... I'm not sure .. but I am kiinda getting the idea"

I got a job working with a sand blasting crew
we go around and sand blast oil rigs so they can be repainted.
we went up to Edgarton Wyoming
they said that there might be a lot of snow up there.
I said, "it will be warm and clear.
we got up there and it was warm but full of gray clouds
I put out the thought to clear the sky
a blue line on the horizon to the west appears and slowly comes across the sky
everything on the west of it is blue and everything east of it is gray
by noon it has only moved about a quarter of the sky
I wondered why it is taking so long
one of the crew saw me looking at the sky
he said, "what are you doing?
I said, "I'm clearing the sky."
he said, "you can't clear the sky ,,,, besides you got 30 mph winds blowing the sand in our faces."

now get what he just said .. part is coming from the body perceptions ... and the rest is coming from the spirit
he says I can't clear the sky but he also says I am blowing 30 mph winds in their faces

I said, "do you want to see winds?"
the winds started up and we had 90 mph winds all over blowing the tops of sheds off

that night it started to snow.
I thought, "this guy is just trying to stop me from using my power."
I thought, "I don't need winds to clear the sky I can just decide the entire sky is clear."
suddenly the snow stopped
by 11 am the next morning the entire sky was clear

the owner of the company said he had to go up to buffalo and check out our next site.
he came back that night and said, "god it is miserable up there .. snow everywhere and I don't know if we can get our sand blasting equipment up there."
I told him, "it will be clear dry and warm.
that night a wind started up and cleared all the snow off the roads and we got there the sky was clear with a 3 day record high temperature announced by the radio stations from Sheradon Wyoming all the days we were there
the owner couldn't believe it
he said he had to go to Casper to check our our next site.
he came back that night and we were all eating and he said, "I really don't understand this weather."
one of the crew said, "why what is happening?"
he said, "20 miles south of us is blizzards ... there is blizzards to the west ... blizzards to the east ... blizzards to the north ... but here is clear dry and warm."
another crew member said, "what do you think is causing it?"
he looked at me directly and said, "I think I know but I am afraid to admit it"
we went to casper and it was clear dry and warm all the days we were there.
the weather man said, "heavy snot tonight."
the snow didn't come
the weather man said the next night, "well I don't know what happened to the snow but we are really going to get it tonight."
no snow again
the next night everyone is questioning the weather man and laughing and he says, "I don't know what is happening ... it is hitting everywhere by casper"
we had to go home the next morning and the owner was afraid of the roads back
but it was clear and dry the whole way

now how do you do this?
we are in a reverse vector system
this means what we reach for goes away and what we withdraw from or resist comes at us.
any effort will get a counter effort
even thought is a bit of an effort
it is like trying to balance a bowling ball on the head of a pin
you see in a bus a girl is looking at you
you look back and immediately her head snaps away
you are looking at a girl and the moment she looks back at you your head snaps away
a boy likes this girl so he puts a tractor beam around her and this causes her to put up a pressor beam to push him away
she's got a tractor beam around another boy which causes him to put up a pressor
all the girls you are chasing are going away and all the girls you don't want are coming at you
this works for anything ... getting jobs, getting your first car ... it is almost impossible your reach is so strong ... but if you have a car it is easy to get another because you are not reaching so much
a pretty girl puts out a reverse tractor ... she wants someone who wants her
she walks in a room and has such a vacuum going there every boy even those who don't see her has his head snap toward the pretty girls
but if anyone pulls on this revers tractor is immediately snaps back ... because she is trying to inflow a person and the inflow snaps to an outflow
and she knocks the boy away ... we called them teasers
she usually meets a boy with a reverse tractor and the beams lock on and as long as she knows he loves her and as long as he knows she loves him the beams hold together
if either one of them get the slightest idea that the other one doesn't want them .. the beams blow up and this is what you call the Hollywood marriages

so I use a trick ... I create the thought of what I want and I put it in the background so I am not thinking about it all the time by I still know I have an intention there
I put it were the spirit is and just know I have the intention there
and go about doing my business ,.. with the intention always in the background ...
I put out the end thing I want as though it has already happened
there will be a communication lag from the time you put out the thought to the time it happens
but if you hold the intention there long enough the thought will come in
this is why the rain stopped between the two lights
when i am thinking nothing there is no effort counter effort and it happens ... the other thing was I didn't believe it would happen anyway so no effort
so the game is to see how much you can shorten the communication lag and the vias ..
making wind to clear the sky is a via ... just clear the sky
bringing cold fronts down from Alaska to cool everything is a via
just decide you are cooling the place and create a space about 200 miles around you

how much can you shorten it ... from clear sky in thailand to black clouds and heavy rain in less than a minute

you can do this
you just need to practice

jim

InCiDeR
14th May 2013, 13:34
maybe you won't believe this and maybe you can't but everyone believed in reincarnation in the days of Christ ... but Constantine needed a way to control the people so all passages of reincarnation was removed from the bible ... and he put in it's place The Persian idea of heaven and hell and one life to live so they can control the people ... there are stories of Christ in Tibet ... he was gone all those years ... and he was trained by the Tibetian buddhsit ...
so this is another viewpoint ... isn't it? IS IT TRUE ??? anyone can say something is true ... but if it is a lie no matter who writes it no writing can change a lie to truth ...

We are on a prison planet ... it took them billions of years to create this ... NO ONE ESCAPES from a prison planet ... NO ONE until Siddhartha Gautama Buddha did 2500 years ago ... any religion that tells you that you have no power and only god has power and any other power is the devil will never get you off this planet
it takes a being with a lot of power to get off this planet ... and giving all your power to a god that someone says exists isn't going to get you off the planet.

these are control religions ... I went back to see Christ on the Cross .. and started running the session myself using the class 8 auditor and her meter to do it.

I got back there ... Christ looked like he was in a very lot of pain ... I decided to go inside his body and see what was happening and a force a very big force was hitting me when I was in his body .. it was too much and I could not stay inside the body .. I got out and I saw a huge oval of gold light in front of him ... I thought he was making it .... I followed the light into the sky and it was a UFO ... and that UFO was hitting Christ with some kind of beam ... and it was flooding the crowd with pictures to create a future dark age ... I yelled ... it was a trick ... it was a trick ... it was a trick ...

now IS THIS TRUE ..????? ... it was very real to me ... but it can also be just another can of worms ....

by the way ... the force fields that trapped us to this planet have been removed ... by the andromedians . ... if you die this time you can go home ... where ;ever that was .... so future?? ... i am staying here ... this place will be the new beginning for the entire universe and when it is safe for them to come down they will teach us and we will be new light of this universe ... why because we were the gods they sent here and to them we are still looked at as royalty and they are trying to free us ...

jim

Thank you for your answer Jim.

One thing though, which I can't really grasp yet:

If you are awake, aware and are the second coming of Buddha called Metteyya.... and Marshall Vian Summers are awake, aware and are a messenger of God.

How come you have different view and teachings? There are of course many things that are similar between your teachings/information, but also many things that are far apart. Isn't that like the old religion (or belief system) war is once more in play?

Am I missing something fundamental?

in the days of buddha we didn't expect this government would trap all the gods on prison planets as a solution ... but the truth is we had to trap all the gods on the planet ... because the governments would not come down here to stop us from opening up the new powers in spirits but a powerful god could stop it ... so those in the future in control of running this time we are in again had all the gods trapped on the planets so they would not be able to stop the process and we would control it from the future

now this comes from knowingness ... I have no pictures in the past or past lives to come up with future predictions ... I have to look and know ... from the future and that is was I see ... you can use your picture memory to try to predict the future but the memory is so bobby trapped with disinformation it is better to not use it ... just decide to KNOW ... and operate off the better part of you

jim

Thanks again Jim,

I realise now that I was not clear enough with my question, I apologize for that. Marshall Vian Summers is not a messenger of the old testment God, which you say are trapped on the planet. He is a messenger of the GOD, the source that created all there is and all that is not and beyond, even you and me, the spirits, Metteyya, the viewpoints, the time whether linear or circular, the spaceships, the reptilians etc etc. So my question still stands:

If you are awake, aware and are the second coming of Buddha called Metteyya.... and Marshall Vian Summers are awake, aware and are a messenger of GOD (original source)

How come you have different views and teachings?

Fred Steeves
14th May 2013, 13:44
I have been to a place deep inside of me where there was utter peace and stillness
where the world outside looked insane

everything you are talking about is happening in the outer world.

the inner world is where peace and love and source reside

all that auditing and clearing is dealing with the outer world - the drama of consciousness in a body

its fun and exciting until it isn't - then you go inside and start your journey home




hiding inside yourself is not a solution either ,.. it is a temporary solution it works for now ... but in the next life ... would you even remember how to do it again?

Hi Jim. The impression I got from Judy's statement was not one of "hiding" inside one's self, but of finally coming to the realization that our connection to "Source", to ultimate Truth, resides within and not without. Don't you think Siddhartha would agree with that?


so we have to be willing to face our dragons and get up and do something about it ... no matter what you do ... so you have the data and know the solution you will make it happen because there is no other known solution.


Now I couldn't agree more with that. We all have our dragons to face, and they will not go away until we do so. Except for "the solution" part that is...There's more than one way to make a dog bark.

SEAM
14th May 2013, 13:48
Timely.. Time-less, message:


Truth is a Pathless Land

by J. Krishnamurti

What follows is the speech made by Jiddu Krishnamurti in 1929 when he dissolved the Order of the Star. The Order of the Star was the organization built around Krishnamurti by Theosophists who selected him at the age of 13 to be the vehicle for the return of the Christ, or Maitreya. He was raised accordingly, but after his enlightenment, he refused the role that had been prepared for him, disbanded the organization of which he was the head, and continued to teach on his own. His speech was made during the Dutch Camp of Ommen, in front of more than three thousand Star members, and with many thousands of Dutch people listening on the radio. Many of the concepts that are present in this speech are worth pondering on in the light of almost 70 years of spiritual history.

……..

We are going to discuss this morning the dissolution of the Order of the Star. Many will be delighted, and others will be rather sad. It is a question neither for rejoicing nor for sadness, because it is inevitable, as I am going to explain….

I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. That is my point of view, and I adhere to that absolutely and unconditionally. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organized; nor should any organization be formed to lead or coerce people along any particular path. If you first understand that, then you will see how impossible it is to organize a belief. A belief is purely an individual matter, and you cannot and must not organize it. If you do, it becomes dead, crystallized; it becomes a creed, a sect, a religion, to be imposed on others.

This is what everyone throughout the world is attempting to do. Truth is narrowed down and made a plaything for those who are weak, for those who are only momentarily discontented. Truth cannot be brought down, rather the individual must make the effort to ascend to it. You cannot bring the mountain-top to the valley….

So that is the first reason, from my point of view, why the Order of the Star should be dissolved. In spite of this, you will probably form other Orders, you will continue to belong to other organizations searching for Truth. I do not want to belong to any organization of a spiritual kind; please understand this….

If an organization be created for this purpose, it becomes a crutch, a weakness, a bondage, and must cripple the individual, and prevent him from growing, from establishing his uniqueness, which lies in the discovery for himself of that absolute, unconditioned Truth. So that is another reason why I have decided, as I happen to be the Head of the Order, to dissolve it.

This is no magnificent deed, because I do not want followers, and I mean this. The moment you follow someone you cease to follow Truth. I am not concerned whether you pay attention to what I say or not. I want to do a certain thing in the world and I am going to do it with unwavering concentration. I am concerning myself with only one essential thing: to set man free. I desire to free him from all cages, from all fears, and not to found religions, new sects, nor to establish new theories and new philosophies. Then you will naturally ask me why I go the world over, continually speaking. I will tell you for what reason I do this; not because I desire a following, not because I desire a special group of special disciples. (How men love to be different from their fellow-men, however ridiculous, absurd and trivial their distinctions, may be! I do not want to encourage that absurdity.) I have no disciples, no apostles, either on earth or in the realm of spirituality.

Nor is it the lure of money, nor the desire to live a comfortable life, which attracts me. If I wanted to lead a comfortable life I would not come to a Camp or live in a damp country! I am speaking frankly because I want this settled once and for all. I do not want these childish discussions year after year.

A newspaper reporter, who interviewed me, considered it a magnificent act to dissolve an organization in which there were thousands and thousands of members. To him it was a great act because he said: “What will you do afterwards, how will you live? You will have no following, people will no longer listen to you.” If there are only five people who will listen, who will live, who have their faces turned towards eternity, it will be sufficient. Of what use is it to have thousands who do not understand, who are fully embalmed in prejudice, who do not want the new, but would rather translate the new to suit their own sterile, stagnant selves?….

Because I am free, unconditioned, whole, not the part, not the relative, but the whole Truth that is eternal, I desire those, who seek to understand me, to be free, not to follow me, not to make out of me a cage which will become a religion, a sect. Rather should they be free from all fears – from the fear of religion, from the fear of salvation, from the fear of spirituality, from the fear of love, from the fear of death, from the fear of life itself. As an artist paints a picture because he takes delight in that painting, because it is his self-expression, his glory, his well-being, so I do this and not because I want any thing from anyone. You are accustomed to authority, or to the atmosphere of authority which you think will lead you to spirituality. You think and hope that another can, by his extraordinary powers – a miracle – transport you to this realm of eternal freedom which is Happiness. Your whole outlook on life is based on that authority.

You have listened to me for three years now, without any change taking place except in the few. Now analyze what I am saying, be critical, so that you may understand thoroughly, fundamentally….

For eighteen years you have been preparing for this event, for the Coming of the World Teacher. For eighteen years you have organized, you have looked for someone who would give a new delight to your hearts and minds, who would transform your whole life, who would give you a new understanding; for someone who would raise you to a new plane of life, who would give you new encouragement, who would set you free – and now look what is happening! Consider, reason with yourselves, and discover in what way that belief has made you different – not with the superficial difference of the wearing of a badge, which is trivial, absurd. In what manner has such a belief swept away all unessential things of life? That is the only way to judge: in what way are you freer, greater, more dangerous to every society which is based on the false and the unessential? In what way have the members of this organization of the Star become different?….

You are all depending for your spirituality on someone else, for your happiness on someone else, for your enlightenment on someone else…. when I say look within yourselves for the enlightenment, for the glory, for the purification, and for the incorruptibility of the self, not one of you is willing to do it. There may be a few, but very, very few. So why have an organization?….

No man from outside can make you free; nor can organized worship, nor the immolation of yourselves for a cause, make you free; nor can forming yourselves into an organization, nor throwing yourselves into work, make you free. You use a typewriter to write letters, but you do not put it on an alter and worship it. But that is what you are doing when organizations become your chief concern. “How many members are there in it?” That is the first question I am asked by all newspaper reporters. “How many followers have you? By their number we shall judge whether what you say is true or false.” I do not know how many there are. I am not concerned with that. If there were even one man who had been set free, that were enough….

Again, you have the idea that only certain people hold the key to the Kingdom of Happiness. No one holds it. No one has the authority to hold that key. That key is your own self, and in the development and the purification and in the incorruptibility of that self alone is the Kingdom of Eternity….

You have been accustomed to being told how far you have advanced, what is your spiritual status. How childish! Who but yourself can tell you if you are incorruptible?….

But those who really desire to understand, who are looking to find that which is eternal, without a beginning and without an end, will walk together with greater intensity, will be a danger to everything that is unessential, to unrealities, to shadows. And they will concentrate, they will become the flame, because they understand. Such a body we must create, and that is my purpose. Because of that true friendship – which you do not seem to know – there will be real co-operation on the part of each one. And this not because of authority, not because of salvation, but because you really understand, and hence are capable of living in the eternal. This is a greater thing than all pleasure, than all sacrifice.

So those are some of the reasons why, after careful consideration for two years, I have made this decision. It is not from a momentary impulse. I have not been persuaded to it by anyone – I am not persuaded in such things. For two years I have been thinking about this, slowly, carefully, patiently, and I have now decided to disband the Order, as I happen to be its Head. You can form other organizations and expect someone else. With that I am not concerned, nor with creating new cages, new decorations for those cages. My only concern is to set men absolutely, unconditionally free.

Sidney
14th May 2013, 13:49
this site has some LRH mp3s and the voice actually does sounds right on "Espinol.mp3" http://www.rr.cistron.nl/xenu/quotes.htm


way too short though....


i'm googling variations on:
"free being" + LRH + mp3 + download

i need mp3, not video, to listen at work, prison planet? self imprisonment? nah... working with the land seems like a decent game... all the "space opera" stuff in many lectures, the "8" books, etc, always seemed a bit odd and inaccessible if not chaotic at times, lacking serenity of beingness and aesthetics at the least, but interesting all the same... more power to the liberating aspects and practical stuff that "works for you", for us, for any who really apply it...

thanks jim and everyone for building this thread.... out and about to work some soil....

~~y

soundfrost is a free download. you can transfer any youtube video to mp3. Maybe any video, but it works on youtube videos if that would help you. Its very easy to use (if i can do it anybody can : )

it downloads as an "extension". I keep mine disabled except when I use it. Otherwise it runs in the background and I found it to be the cause of redirect software that is embedded in it. But it only does it if its enabled 24/7. Im sure there are other softwares available for this purpose besides this one.
http://soundfrost.en.softonic.com/

jiminii
14th May 2013, 14:11
I have been to a place deep inside of me where there was utter peace and stillness
where the world outside looked insane

everything you are talking about is happening in the outer world.

the inner world is where peace and love and source reside

all that auditing and clearing is dealing with the outer world - the drama of consciousness in a body

its fun and exciting until it isn't - then you go inside and start your journey home




hiding inside yourself is not a solution either ,.. it is a temporary solution it works for now ... but in the next life ... would you even remember how to do it again?

Hi Jim. The impression I got from Judy's statement was not one of "hiding" inside one's self, but of finally coming to the realization that our connection to "Source", to ultimate Truth, resides within and not without. Don't you think Siddhartha would agree with that?


so we have to be willing to face our dragons and get up and do something about it ... no matter what you do ... so you have the data and know the solution you will make it happen because there is no other known solution.


Now I couldn't agree more with that. We all have our dragons to face, and they will not go away until we do so. Except for "the solution" part that is...There's more than one way to make a dog bark.

well outflow is more holly than inflow ... what I find that works for me is space .... the bigger you are the more you can do ... the purpose of the suppressive is to make your space smaller with fear ... so in the morning I get up .... I go out I send like a radar beam all the way up to canada and I move ;it in a slow circle covering USA and canada then go farther to europe down through africa and south america to the islands through australia trough all of asia until I have covered it all and on this beam I pick up all the counter intention to the survival of the planet and you kinda get an idea of little gold balls hitting your beam coming in and the counter intention just blows ..... all around the planet ... and your space gets so clean you can probably make any of your thoughts work that day also all negative thoughts that come in you just cancel them say that is not true and make them go away too

jiminii
14th May 2013, 14:25
most people coming on the planet have been coming in the last 500 years from the last war up there ... so you haven't been here that long ... but you might find that being here might not be such a bad idea

who?????????

the who is those who have been trapped here by those who won the war and decided to put them in a prison so they can take over the galaxy without having to handle all these entities who lost

jim

i have a different perspective on this. i don't feel trapped on earth, or that i lost something at some point. i (as a soul) use the bodies here because i find the experience useful. having an easy life where you can create everything you want with just a thought is totally unappealing to me. that doesn't help with soul growth, it would just be an endless boring existence. discomfort and struggle is what facilitates growth and that is just what's great about earth. we have discomfort and struggle in abundance, along with plenty of other "negative" things as well as their polar opposites. the "negative" things exist so we can appreciate the "positive" things even more.

you're probably right that many souls came here during the last 500 years, originate elsewhere and have only a dozen or so lives. that's why it's so hard for them to be successful in life or why they feel like they don't belong here. it takes time getting used to earth life. i've had more lives (93 as a human) and that's probably why i'm waiting for the earth changes and the fight for survival before any "golden age" starts. it's a final highlight in terms of soul growth and afterwards come the well-deserved holidays.

from a soul's perspective all our lives are just "viewpoints" (as you describe them) to help us grow, but imprisoning "viewpoints", or putting them full of implants, black magic and whatnot, will not harm the soul as that which "views" or experiences. ultimately this imprisonment and the implants etc. fulfill a useful purpose because without them we would be unable to experience those things that we, from a human perspective (not seeing the big picture), term "negative".

there are also those who are here like me ...with no karma ... we borrow other peoples pictures since we have none of our own .. but I stopped that because I hate pain and I don't want their headaches .... The GE has pictures to in me ... I just look at them ...but I am separate ... in this serene place ... watching all of this ... but I can pretend to be angry if I need it .... but sometimes too much ... knocks the heck out of others ... so I can tolerate them and know the negative is not them ... it is all this garbage put in them but there are also those who deliberately put out negative to deliberately pull you down ... those I just look at ... don't answer anything and tell them with a friendly face ... oh .. sorry I got to go ... I don't need their think me or the conversation they use that is designed to lower the tone level and make less of your conversation ... so I find staying around high tone people more fun to be with for me
but I guess it is up to the person what he wants to experience

jim

Hervé
14th May 2013, 14:36
[...]

Souls lost in the recycler
war in heaven
war on earth
prison planet
ETs
drama drama drama

I have been to a place deep inside of me where there was utter peace and stillness
where the world outside looked insane

everything you are talking about is happening in the outer world.

the inner world is where peace and love and source reside

all that auditing and clearing is dealing with the outer world - the drama of consciousness in a body

its fun and exciting until it isn't - then you go inside and start your journey home

Right... right... right... and in doing so, "they" have won... how?

"Their" activity of enturbulation in the world of this planet has driven you to shrink your space down to a point one needs a microscope to locate the micrometer size cubicle you decided to have influence over somewhere in your skull or may be your heart or solar plexus.

jiminii touched upon the size of the physical space one can influence in post #20 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59041-LRH--L.-Ron-Hubbard-&p=673016&viewfull=1#post673016) as well as in post # 134 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59041-LRH--L.-Ron-Hubbard-&p=673733&viewfull=1#post673733)

So, the "drama" "they" keep feeding out there via their network is designed to make one withdraw from a larger physical sphere of influence down to one's garden or living room; if even that. LRH called them the "Merchants of Chaos" or the "Merchants of Fear" since they "create"/manufacture a "Dangerous Environment" via their news and imminent catastrophes, etc... so that very few people keep their focus of thwarting what they are doing in Afghanistan or Iraq and get siphoned into Sandy Hook and guns or Boston and bombs, making it "closer to home" and locking everyone into their "own home."

... see?

All of which was summarized by a George Hoover in his Bill Birnes interview:


The answer to the question:


-------

Audio (1 minute, must listen):



http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Birnes_George_Hoover.mp3
Transcript:



GEORGE NOORY: What we don’t know about the situation at Roswell is whether these were extraterrestrial, whether they came from a hollow Earth, whether they came from another dimension. We don’t know this, right?

BILL BIRNES: We don’t. The only clue that I had was from this Naval officer – he was from the Office of Naval intelligence, ONI, called George Hoover; we’ve talked about him before – who said that he was “the Corso of the Navy,” and that the military believed, and he said he knew, that these entities were not so much interplanetary, but they were literally time-travelers.

And the big secret is that they were us from the future and that we and they had the same powers – and that was the real fear of the government, that we have the ability to manipulate reality around us.

We’ve always had that ability, we just didn’t know how to use it, and if we ever learned how to use it and we’re not ready for it, we would cause chaos. And that was the big secret that the Navy eventually found out.



As for Lester Levenson and his discoveries... many people have tried to impart it in many different words...

Alex Collier's friends:



"The pain you carry is the love you withhold"...
Ho'oponopono (http://www.vitality-living.com/resources/Zero+Limits+-+Joe+Vitale.pdf)

---


And for those who are familiar with Dianetics and Scientology terminology and processing of finding that little thought -- known as a "postulate" -- they had which generated the ensuing circumstances that made that little thought come through as true in their current reality... whether that thought occurred to them when teenagers, 5 years old or 10,000 or 1 billion years ago... same results in the "Here and Now."

jiminii
14th May 2013, 14:44
maybe you won't believe this and maybe you can't but everyone believed in reincarnation in the days of Christ ... but Constantine needed a way to control the people so all passages of reincarnation was removed from the bible ... and he put in it's place The Persian idea of heaven and hell and one life to live so they can control the people ... there are stories of Christ in Tibet ... he was gone all those years ... and he was trained by the Tibetian buddhsit ...
so this is another viewpoint ... isn't it? IS IT TRUE ??? anyone can say something is true ... but if it is a lie no matter who writes it no writing can change a lie to truth ...

We are on a prison planet ... it took them billions of years to create this ... NO ONE ESCAPES from a prison planet ... NO ONE until Siddhartha Gautama Buddha did 2500 years ago ... any religion that tells you that you have no power and only god has power and any other power is the devil will never get you off this planet
it takes a being with a lot of power to get off this planet ... and giving all your power to a god that someone says exists isn't going to get you off the planet.

these are control religions ... I went back to see Christ on the Cross .. and started running the session myself using the class 8 auditor and her meter to do it.

I got back there ... Christ looked like he was in a very lot of pain ... I decided to go inside his body and see what was happening and a force a very big force was hitting me when I was in his body .. it was too much and I could not stay inside the body .. I got out and I saw a huge oval of gold light in front of him ... I thought he was making it .... I followed the light into the sky and it was a UFO ... and that UFO was hitting Christ with some kind of beam ... and it was flooding the crowd with pictures to create a future dark age ... I yelled ... it was a trick ... it was a trick ... it was a trick ...

now IS THIS TRUE ..????? ... it was very real to me ... but it can also be just another can of worms ....

by the way ... the force fields that trapped us to this planet have been removed ... by the andromedians . ... if you die this time you can go home ... where ;ever that was .... so future?? ... i am staying here ... this place will be the new beginning for the entire universe and when it is safe for them to come down they will teach us and we will be new light of this universe ... why because we were the gods they sent here and to them we are still looked at as royalty and they are trying to free us ...

jim

Thank you for your answer Jim.

One thing though, which I can't really grasp yet:

If you are awake, aware and are the second coming of Buddha called Metteyya.... and Marshall Vian Summers are awake, aware and are a messenger of God.

How come you have different view and teachings? There are of course many things that are similar between your teachings/information, but also many things that are far apart. Isn't that like the old religion (or belief system) war is once more in play?

Am I missing something fundamental?

in the days of buddha we didn't expect this government would trap all the gods on prison planets as a solution ... but the truth is we had to trap all the gods on the planet ... because the governments would not come down here to stop us from opening up the new powers in spirits but a powerful god could stop it ... so those in the future in control of running this time we are in again had all the gods trapped on the planets so they would not be able to stop the process and we would control it from the future

now this comes from knowingness ... I have no pictures in the past or past lives to come up with future predictions ... I have to look and know ... from the future and that is was I see ... you can use your picture memory to try to predict the future but the memory is so bobby trapped with disinformation it is better to not use it ... just decide to KNOW ... and operate off the better part of you

jim

Thanks again Jim,

I realise now that I was not clear enough with my question, I apologize for that. Marshall Vian Summers is not a messenger of the old testment God, which you say are trapped on the planet. He is a messenger of the GOD, the source that created all there is and all that is not and beyond, even you and me, the spirits, Metteyya, the viewpoints, the time whether linear or circular, the spaceships, the reptilians etc etc. So my question still stands:

If you are awake, aware and are the second coming of Buddha called Metteyya.... and Marshall Vian Summers are awake, aware and are a messenger of GOD (original source)

How come you have different views and teachings?

I don't know what marshall talks about and I stay away from christian dogma ... like you are a sinner and only god has power and only power through jesus is valid ... these are all control methods to shrink your space and make you feel small and it will not free you as a being ... all this dogma was created by the priest that got together and rewrote the bible to suit them and use it to control people through religion ... I am my own maser ... if I don't see it I don't believe it ... it may be true ... who knows ... but I don't go that path because they are just running memory circuits ... dogma .. they don't really know or can totally believe it and I can prove it

when a christian comes up to you and starts running his dogma on you just tell him with surety that he is right ... and watch him go into total confusion .. and he keeps giving you his dogma and you keep saying it is true ... all these memory circuits that he has never been able to prove to himself starts blowing up in his head ... and he looks totally lost .. and then you can say ... "are you a little bit confused?"
he will say yes
you say, "would you like to handle that?"
and he will say, "yes"
so give him a book that gives facts he can see and he will buy it

you see they have a circuit to handle any kind of argument ... but they don't have a circuit to handle any kind of agreement ... and he can't prove what he says ... so the circuits blow up in his head
jim

InCiDeR
14th May 2013, 15:15
I realise now that I was not clear enough with my question, I apologize for that. Marshall Vian Summers is not a messenger of the old testment God, which you say are trapped on the planet. He is a messenger of the GOD, the source that created all there is and all that is not and beyond, even you and me, the spirits, Metteyya, the viewpoints, the time whether linear or circular, the spaceships, the reptilians etc etc. So my question still stands:

If you are awake, aware and are the second coming of Buddha called Metteyya.... and Marshall Vian Summers are awake, aware and are a messenger of GOD (original source)

How come you have different views and teachings?

I don't know what marshall talks about and I stay away from christian dogma ... like you are a sinner and only god has power and only power through jesus is valid ... these are all control methods to shrink your space and make you feel small and it will not free you as a being ... all this dogma was created by the priest that got together and rewrote the bible to suit them and use it to control people through religion ... I am my own maser ... if I don't see it I don't believe it ... it may be true ... who knows ... but I don't go that path because they are just running memory circuits ... dogma .. they don't really know or can totally believe it and I can prove it

when a christian comes up to you and starts running his dogma on you just tell him with surety that he is right ... and watch him go into total confusion .. and he keeps giving you his dogma and you keep saying it is true ... all these memory circuits that he has never been able to prove to himself starts blowing up in his head ... and he looks totally lost .. and then you can say ... "are you a little bit confused?"
he will say yes
you say, "would you like to handle that?"
and he will say, "yes"
so give him a book that gives facts he can see and he will buy it

you see they have a circuit to handle any kind of argument ... but they don't have a circuit to handle any kind of agreement ... and he can't prove what he says ... so the circuits blow up in his head
jim

I understand from your answer that you haven't looked into Marshall Vian Summers message. It has nothing to do with what you describe as christian dogma, he actually walks away from the old teachings/dogmas of any religion. So I don't really understand why you label "original source" as christian, in my opinion it has nothing to do with any religion whatsoever. For the protocol, I am not into Marshall Vian Summers techings/information personally, or considering it speaking the truth. I just find the message interesting as I find yours.

But what I do not understand is why your teachings/informations appear to be so different in many parts. If you both are what you say you are, your message wouldn't differ so much in my opinion.

You have any thought about this?

Prodigal Son
14th May 2013, 15:31
I have 4 bodies on this planet ...

[snip]

No time just now to elaborate, but I want to confirm that this kind of apparently off-the-wall information is real. Our higher selves can operate more than one identity as a human. This is addressed and processed at the very highest levels of the Ron's Org ''bridge', and was researched by CBR in the 1980s.

This is interesting. Our higher self can operate more than one identity for sure, but other sources (I don't remember specifically which right now) also indicate that it can't all be human and all on the same planet at the same time, parallel universes - maybe, other planets - possibly, but occupation of separate bodies on the same planet can potentially cause a problem. I wonder how it fits in with the problematic and the option that these bodies may meet.Suddenly, the next time somebody tells me to go f myself, it will have a whole new meaning :rolleyes:

jiminii
14th May 2013, 15:39
1979 I have a chance to go to thailand. someone blew up the american embassy and all thai not fully immigrated were sent back to thailand. My friend wanted me to go there and see if I can get her friend back to USA.
I got there and they put me in someones house. The lady was talking about Buddhism to me and I was talking about spiritual abilities similar to Buddhism
she said, "ok what can you do?"
I said, "I can change the weather."
she said, "ok make a rain storm."
it took about 4 days but i got the rain storm
I could feel a lot of counter intention from the Buddhas
she said, "oh we get a lot of rain here anyway."
so I shut up ... I knew she will not believe me
a second family came over to visit and they were all talking and laughing and looking at me. One of them said, "she said that you said that you can change the weather."
I said, "yes I can"
he said, "well I am a Buddhist and I can test you."
I said, "go ahead."
he said, "close your eyes and blank out your thoughts."
I did.
he asked me what I saw and I said I saw nothing
but then I said, "I can feel heat around my head."
he turned and said, "he has the ability."
He said, "what is the REAL reason you came to thailand."
I could feel there were out of bodies Buddhist observing this meeting and I guess they want to know why I am messing around with their weather
I said, "I didn't know until I got here ... but I see the Vietnamese are attacking the border .."
I told them about the international bankers and they control both Russia and USA .. and it looks like they are creating another war machine here. they use USA and Russia to make war so they can bankrupt the countries and then come in and buy up the country for pennies.
so it looks like I came here to stop this war.
he said, "oh we have Buddha's here that can just fry them .. we can just burn them up."
I said, "you don't have to kill them."
he said, "what"
I said, "you don't have to kill them"
he said, "what do we do?"
I said, "change their minds."
the whole room was silent
he said, "how do we change their minds?"
I said, "I am putting rain up there ... I am going to slow them down."
he yelled ... "it is true ... it is true ... they are in 4 feet of mud and can move anywhere."
I felt the pain and fear of thailand and I grabbed all of it and like a hurricane threw it up to the sky

the next day I was at the other house
I thought, "I wonder how long it would take to make a rain storm now.?"
in less than a minute a total clear sky became totally black
and the rain was heavier than any I have ever felt
I was drowning so I ran to the house
I got inside the house and I had a new thought for the first time, "what would happen if I moved my fingers out of the window."
I could feel an extension of me like a hand go out the window
I thought, 'what if I wiggle my fingers?"
I wiggle them slightly in and out and I actually could feel the fingers connect to the storm
the storm slammed hard into the house and then slammed hard away from the house to the exact movement of the fingers and it was very light movement
the whole house shook ..and it scared me .. I thought, "if I would have done this any harder the whole house would come down"
and I realized how powerful it was .. if you use your spiritual hands to move anything in this physical universe it will just move with no counter effort
you could actually move a mountain as if it were a piece of paper

2 weeks later I finally got an english newspaper
it said that China and Japan would get in a full scale war with Vietnam if it didn't stop attacking thailand.
the vietnames yelled out, "but we are hungry .... we are starving ... we have no food .. our country is destroyed."
the thai government said, "we have plenty of food .. we can help you out until you get back on your feet."

another week after this a total stranger comes up to me on the street
he knew my name
he said, "jim you must go back to USA.
I said, "why?
he said, "there is a heat wave there and it has killed 800 people."
I thought "OMG ... I must have left my thought of how hot thailand would be"
I was 15 minutes before landing in Los ANgeles and the man who owned the health food store whose wife was thai that sent me to thailand's head snapped up
he said, "jim's coming back"
the customers said, "what"
he said, "jim... you know jim the guy that went to thailand ... he is coming back"
the customer said, "what makes you suddenly say that?
he said, "the temperature has just started to drop in LA"
by morning the temperatures were back to normal ...

this is the first time I learned how powerful a spirit can really be .. and this was just the beginning

this spirit I am is very playful and I just have to let that part of me do what it is going to do ....it knows what it wants to do and does it and somehow relays the message to me

jim

Sierra
14th May 2013, 15:46
the only true way to handle is to go back and erase the creation of the automatic picture recording system completely and then the spirit has to learn how to operate off knowingness.

jim

Hi Jim,

Can you describe the automatic recording system, how it originated, what it recorded, what makes it play back, and explain in detail how to erase the system? I'm not sure if I am wording the question inside me correctly, but I can't get a grasp on this part.

And it seems important to understand...

Thanks. :)

Sierra

jiminii
14th May 2013, 16:08
I understand from your answer that you haven't looked into Marshall Vian Summers message. It has nothing to do with what you describe as christian dogma, he actually walks away from the old teachings/dogmas of any religion. So I don't really understand why you label "original source" as christian, in my opinion it has nothing to do with any religion whatsoever. For the protocol, I am not into Marshall Vian Summers techings/information personally, or considering it speaking the truth. I just find the message interesting as I find yours.

But what I do not understand is why your teachings/informations appear to be so different in many parts. If you both are what you say you are, your message wouldn't differ so much in my opinion.

You have any thought about this?

from what I learned in Japan that they could not tell anyone about me or this alien that is my type ... because it would jeopardize my mission ... and I knew that anyway
we can't tell anyone we are operating from the future because the reptilians can retaliate. this stuff didn't open up until recently ... how they managed to keep all of it untraceable...
but this game is over and we need to let people know this game is over and to get them to stop putting their attention on these fear mongers and know they are finished .... because these other people are creating this universe too .... so we need to put our attention on what we want for our new world to be like and start creating it and getting together and start organizing what we want and that will put us all in cause enough to let everyone know this is our place and doesn't belong to outsiders ...

you see they got a lot of star systems around the planet right now all trying to see what part of the game they can get into with us ... and I directly sent a communication line up ;and said, "I am an a high official of the galactic confederation and I was born on this planet so I have the first choice to who will be responsible for this planet .... this was my first mission ... they have to be invited down here ... by galactic law and we invited the enemy .... I made it clear it does not belong to any other star system ..it belongs to the people of this planet and being of royalty and woken up I am demanding my rights ... so I must get this info out so other royalty will stand up too and demand their rights

jim

jiminii
14th May 2013, 16:27
the only true way to handle is to go back and erase the creation of the automatic picture recording system completely and then the spirit has to learn how to operate off knowingness.

jim

Hi Jim,

Can you describe the automatic recording system, how it originated, what it recorded, what makes it play back, and explain in detail how to erase the system? I'm not sure if I am wording the question inside me correctly, but I can't get a grasp on this part.

And it seems important to understand...

Thanks. :)
Sierra

The Mind
The spirit records 25 pictures a second.
These pictures are stored in some kind of energy around the head.
The spirit being carries these pictures from one lifetime to the next.
Each picture has these perceptions.
These perceptions are everything this body and the spirit can experience.
Time, sight; Taste, Color, Depth; Solidity (barriers); Relative sizes (external); Sound; Pitch; Tone; Volume; Rhythm; Smell; Touch (pressure, friction, heat or cold and oiliness); personal emotion; Endocrine states; Awareness of awareness; personal size; Organic sensation (including hunger); Heartbeat; Blood circulation; Cellular and bacterial position; gravity (self and other weights); motion of self;
motion (exterior); Body position; Joint position; Internal temperature; External temperature; Balance; Muscular tension; saline content of self (body); Fields/magnetic; Time track motion; Physical energy (personal weariness, etc.); Self-determinism; Moisture (self); Sound direction; Emotional state of other organs; Emotional state of groups; Compass direction; Level of consciousness; Pain; Perception of conclusions (past and present); Perception of computation (past and present); Perception of imagination (past and present); Perception of having perceived (past and present); Awareness of not knowing; Awareness of importance, unimportance; Awareness of others; Awareness of location and placement (masses, spaces and location itself); Perception of appetite; kinesthesis is the ability to feel movement in the body
Personal position on the tone scale; affinity (self and others); Communication (self and others); Reality (self and others);

Tone scale of a body:
Death Apathy Grief Propitiation
Fear Covert Hostility Anger Pain
Antagonism Boredom Conservatism Enthusiasm

jiminii
14th May 2013, 16:40
it is ok you can change your viewpoint on what you think these aliens up in the stars really are... just because we are more or less intimidated by these aliens doesn't mean we don't have rights they are more afraid of us then we are. because if they accidentally wake us up abruptly they may wish they never did .. ;and you must know this ...
and be sure of it ... they are all playing this gentle game with us thinking they can wake us up gently with them being in control and that is just not true. they made the mistake of trapping all the most powerful ... but of course we caused it from the future .. but they did the actions ... and if it really came to light they would have a huge apology to be delivering ... they think they can manipulate us because we don't know who we are ... but I was lucky enough to be awakened and that changed the whole show ... let's make this planet ours for real world wide and to hell with the cabal and anyone else who thinks they have a right to this place

InCiDeR
14th May 2013, 17:09
I understand from your answer that you haven't looked into Marshall Vian Summers message. It has nothing to do with what you describe as christian dogma, he actually walks away from the old teachings/dogmas of any religion. So I don't really understand why you label "original source" as christian, in my opinion it has nothing to do with any religion whatsoever. For the protocol, I am not into Marshall Vian Summers techings/information personally, or considering it speaking the truth. I just find the message interesting as I find yours.

But what I do not understand is why your teachings/informations appear to be so different in many parts. If you both are what you say you are, your message wouldn't differ so much in my opinion.

You have any thought about this?

from what I learned in Japan that they could not tell anyone about me or this alien that is my type ... because it would jeopardize my mission ... and I knew that anyway
we can't tell anyone we are operating from the future because the reptilians can retaliate. this stuff didn't open up until recently ... how they managed to keep all of it untraceable...
but this game is over and we need to let people know this game is over and to get them to stop putting their attention on these fear mongers and know they are finished .... because these other people are creating this universe too .... so we need to put our attention on what we want for our new world to be like and start creating it and getting together and start organizing what we want and that will put us all in cause enough to let everyone know this is our place and doesn't belong to outsiders ...

you see they got a lot of star systems around the planet right now all trying to see what part of the game they can get into with us ... and I directly sent a communication line up ;and said, "I am an a high official of the galactic confederation and I was born on this planet so I have the first choice to who will be responsible for this planet .... this was my first mission ... they have to be invited down here ... by galactic law and we invited the enemy .... I made it clear it does not belong to any other star system ..it belongs to the people of this planet and being of royalty and woken up I am demanding my rights ... so I must get this info out so other royalty will stand up too and demand their rights

jim

I appreciate your answer Jim, even though I do not consider it an answer to my question. So I guess you do not have an answer to my question (as I see it), but that is alright. However, that also makes me wonder why I would interpret your message as more reliable, knowledgable or valuable than that of Marshall Vian Summers or any other message out there.

But I do find your message interesting and enjoy very much to read what you have to say. I, as usual, will take those parts that speaks to me into consideration. The parts that don't speak to me, I will be happy that those speaks to you and maybe others reading this thread.

Personally, I have a different view that looking within will narrow your space. In my opinion it is vice verse, when looking within you will discover infinite possibilities and whole universes and creations. As above so below in a holographic perspective.

At the end of the day, we are all Buddhas, Metteyyas, messengers of God, infinite source, all there is and all that is not and beyond. We just have different path to approach it. None better than the other. This path is yours, and I am happy you found it. I have a different path, and I am happy I found mine. Together we might be more and less, everything and nothing at all. We might make a difference and we might not, but we will know who we are.

In eternity with peace.

InCiDeR

Kimberley
14th May 2013, 17:11
I have enjoyed reading this thread Jim and all.





but this game is over and we need to let people know this game is over and to get them to stop putting their attention on these fear mongers and know they are finished .... because these other people are creating this universe too .... so we need to put our attention on what we want for our new world to be like and start creating it and getting together and start organizing what we want and that will put us all in cause enough to let everyone know this is our place and doesn't belong to outsiders ...

This is exactly what I have been saying for years! We are powerful creators and it is so important to use your power toward what you want to create.

I love the coment and song that Whitefeather posted yesterday also.


Our collective thoughts/consciousness as humans are indeed so powerful that we havent even begun to scratch the surface. Once we understand this power we have we can accomplish anything. What we think we become. Be careful what you wish for, history starts now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiJG6fW3leQ



I made it clear it does not belong to any other star system ..it belongs to the people of this planet and being of royalty and woken up I am demanding my rights ... so I must get this info out so other royalty will stand up too and demand their rights

jim

And thank you for this reminder Jim...I am standing right next to you!

Much love! :grouphug: Much peace! :peace: Much fun! :fun: I wish there was a :fun: icon because fun is one of the most important aspects IMHO

Sidney
14th May 2013, 17:25
Quoted from Kimberly

" I wish there was a :fun: icon "


:cantina: I like this one. Everyone having fun together!

Sidney
14th May 2013, 18:17
I hope this is not off topic too much, but Jiminii, what is your take on the chemtrails. In your opinion, what exactly is their agenda, and are the fake disco ball stars in the sky that twinkle/flash various colors, are they parked satellites for using mind control technology such as directed energy weapons, and in your opinion, what can we do about this now.,,and what is the best approach to deflect/stop this type of abuse coming from such weapons.

berry
14th May 2013, 18:21
Brilliant. Thank you. I'll read it all again,
Berry

jiminii
14th May 2013, 18:30
I hope this is not off topic too much, but Jiminii, what is your take on the chemtrails. In your opinion, what exactly is their agenda, and are the fake disco ball stars in the sky that twinkle/flash various colors, are they parked satellites for using mind control technology such as directed energy weapons, and in your opinion, what can we do about this now.,,and what is the best approach to deflect/stop this type of abuse coming from such weapons.
there is one airline that is doing it .. from what I heard ... but I don't know the link .. close that airline down ... and the chemicals they are dropping are for making people sterile ... they want to depopulate the world by 80 percent ... so they can control all much easier ...

jiminii
14th May 2013, 18:41
I hope this is not off topic too much, but Jiminii, what is your take on the chemtrails. In your opinion, what exactly is their agenda, and are the fake disco ball stars in the sky that twinkle/flash various colors, are they parked satellites for using mind control technology such as directed energy weapons, and in your opinion, what can we do about this now.,,and what is the best approach to deflect/stop this type of abuse coming from such weapons.
there is one airline that is doing it .. from what I heard ... but I don't know the link .. close that airline down ... and the chemicals they are dropping are for making people sterile ... they want to depopulate the world by 80 percent ... so they can control all much easier ...

they melted all the ice in greenland using HAARP to put all the water in the air to make floods to destroy farmlands and make a food crisis ... they were doing it on the oceans before but they were killing the dolphins and fish by doing it ... so they had to stop ..

this is how nuts they are .. so let everyone know this

Sidney
14th May 2013, 18:57
I hope this is not off topic too much, but Jiminii, what is your take on the chemtrails. In your opinion, what exactly is their agenda, and are the fake disco ball stars in the sky that twinkle/flash various colors, are they parked satellites for using mind control technology such as directed energy weapons, and in your opinion, what can we do about this now.,,and what is the best approach to deflect/stop this type of abuse coming from such weapons.
there is one airline that is doing it .. from what I heard ... but I don't know the link .. close that airline down ... and the chemicals they are dropping are for making people sterile ... they want to depopulate the world by 80 percent ... so they can control all much easier ...

How do you shut down an airline that is owned by the illuminaughty. I believe the company name goes by "Evergreen Aviation". if memory serves me right. Ironic, since chemtrails kill everything green as well as people and animals. Aren't they clever.

http://aircrap.org/evergreen-aviation-admits-to-chemtrail-contracts-with-usaf/33619/

Since IMO the chemtrailing is one of the biggest issues we have at the current moment, because everyone I know is ill, trees dying, bees dying(haarp/CT) this may be a good example of How the hell can we solve something this damm big with our thoughts. And I am not being a smarta**, i am being very literal.

judymoon
14th May 2013, 20:11
there is a portal to the inner universes inside. You have to still the mind and focus your attention to find it. The mind will keep you busy for endless lifetimes with its searching, pondering, posturing, believing this, believing that. The mind is an excellent tool for dealing with the outer worlds. That is its function. The spiritual quest slowly pulls you away from the outer worlds.

eaglespirit
15th May 2013, 00:28
I'm going to do a one breath sharing here because I have so much running around in my thoughts right now that it is the easiest and best way for me to get it out...I want to thank Jim again openly for coming on Avalon and opening up and sharing. And thank all of you here with love. There have been many times here that we have gotten together with our energies and worked together in clusters here and there to help help things along for the better that have gone on ...and there are many gifted and talented and smart and hard working and spiritually empowered people here that have done and are doing the work quietly and openly to help change things with their energies consistently and I feel it is time to really come together and really amp things up and help accelerate these good changes as this planet has not seen the wonderful likes of...lets not let another boston marathon incident happen. Each one of us can increase our sphere of influence tremendously especially if we do this together in tandem and unison and it can be done each in our own way without even posting or letting each other know ....I feel many here are on the edge of readiness and others subconsciously are at a place where an extreme acceleration may not quite rub in their readiness quota and that is ok we each have our own abilities and can do it to the degree it feels right but if we all really start looking at the whole big planet as our little home and send energy consistently now together for instance like sending our own higher thoughts and energy every day now to washington dc helping the white hats that are trying to make things right...send conscious and strong help to them...and protection and see and feel them bringing the truths forward with ease now...hidden technology and hidden programs that would truly pull us out of the containment of use of fossil fuels and the likes and all matters or any matter that really matters to each of us and the overall betterment of things...each one of us can really make this a combined effort just by doing it every free moment we possibly can so that it becomes engrained in our moment to moment thought process and each of us can target what really means something personally but in a very big expansive way now without shorting ourselves any more....for instance I see and feel the entire mountain energy from alaska down to the tip of south america as a beautiful loving female entity of energy coming alive with transformative power to help shift and rebirth mother earth quickly and smoothly now...that is just one little big thing...be like an expanded Mother Theresa or Ghandi or whatever resonates with you as the most expansive loving giving energy you can imagine and see it enveloping Mother Earth all the time now...anything like this that means something to each one of us can be done consistently and constantly....we really will accelerate this whole upward change tremendously now....and I once again fully understand many of you are already doing this in some way all the time now but let's just try to really expand it in such a way that there is only one way but up from here on out....anything that really altruistically matters to you...see it gathering momentum in a big way wherever you personally feel the intention of higher change should go...expand it to the most unimaginable imaginable degree you can...and where else can we possibly make this happen in the biggest way possible but right here together...where we come almost daily to check on things....let's combine our energies intentionally to make a momentous push forward....share more here
...and this sharing of mine may seem a bit childlike to many and that is fine by me...let it loose with the intention that it really is create our own happy world time...just really focus on what really means the most to you and see you floating around Mother Earth making right what you know needs to be righted and actually doing it with your very own loving immense power...simply because you can and we all can, now! Let's really make this forum higher family affair.
And again..for those of you already consistently doing this, thank you from my heart...
we can turn this place into one very BIG loving heart of unison and change: )

Sidney
15th May 2013, 01:53
You're right eaglespirit. I m sorry that I get overly passionately overwhelmed about the chemtrail subject. I will try to focus on the positive and visualize beautiful blue skies, they way they once were. Visualize all those chem tankers lined up on the ground somewhere, out of use. Visualize true fresh air and healthy people. Am I on the right track?

CdnSirian
15th May 2013, 02:00
Thanks Eaglespirit, Fred, and Judy Moon, and everyone.

This thread has an overwhelming range of topics.

One specific reality among many.

Guru of the month?

There's nothing wrong with anything.

But which "enlightened" reality is better than another?

jiminii
15th May 2013, 02:04
we are more powerful than any group in this universe ... but we have to get our spiritual space out there as big as this galaxy is and bigger ... put our space out to cover the not only this galactic governments but all the neighboring galaxies ...
you see there is a viewpoint to all the neighboring galaxies that this planet and all the entities on it is just a pain in the a***** ... not worth bothering with .. and we won't be if we don't make our presents felt .... this is not hard to do ... practicing getting your space out there ...
just get the idea of the space of just your body
then get the idea of the space of the room
then get the idea of the space of the apartment
then the building
then this part of the city
then the city
then the state
now get the idea of the space of just your body
you can see the difference
now get the idea of the space of the state
the country and the hemisphere ,., the planet ,,, this solar system .... the galaxy ... all the neighboring galaxies .... this quadrant of the universe .... the entire universe ...

add 1 more universe to this one ... add 10
now you have enough spiritual space to put something in it ... and we do have the power ,.. you just have to get rid of consideration that you are a weak body .. you are not
you can not imagine the amount of game we are playing .... you only have to decide you are cause over it.
this means that you are senior to all considerations and all beings everywhere ... you have to get the idea there is NO COUNTER INTENTION ANYWHERE
you are senior to ALL OF IT ....
then your thoughts will happen
we need a lot of the most powerful doing this ,.,to show them we are worth handling
thought is senior to ALL PHYSICAL UNIVERSE MECHANICS ,,... and we are senior to all of it
but you have to decide you are and then put the thought that the cabal is being stopped by the governments up there and we the people are in charge of this planet
then decide they put us into the galactic governments system ... so we can be heard ... and then they will be able to remove the cabal ,.
we have to bypass the cabal .... that means those who can do telepathy must act and locate those up there and get them to recognize us

according to free zone LRH is up there and is part of the senior counsel and can be a voice for us if we stand up as a collective

you can do this
let's get it done

jim

CdnSirian
15th May 2013, 02:11
jim...you are right and many of us have been doing this for years...

jiminii
15th May 2013, 02:39
Thanks Eaglespirit, Fred, and Judy Moon, and everyone.

This thread has an overwhelming range of topics.

One specific reality among many.

Guru of the month?

There's nothing wrong with anything.

But which "enlightened" reality is better than another?

well I am trying a new one ... getting my space out there ... but before I would run a radar beam around the planet ... pick up all the counter intentions to survival ... and make them disappear ... but universe ??? I would have to run a circular ball of radar .. to all of this universe ... picking up all the counter intentions to survival of this planet ... and make it go away...
wow ... what an amazing viewpoint ... expands my awareness to almost infinity ... hahahahah

jim

InCiDeR
15th May 2013, 03:09
we are more powerful than any group in this universe ... but we have to get our spiritual space out there as big as this galaxy is and bigger ... put our space out to cover the not only this galactic governments but all the neighboring galaxies ...
you see there is a viewpoint to all the neighboring galaxies that this planet and all the entities on it is just a pain in the a***** ... not worth bothering with .. and we won't be if we don't make our presents felt .... this is not hard to do ... practicing getting your space out there ...
just get the idea of the space of just your body
then get the idea of the space of the room
then get the idea of the space of the apartment
then the building
then this part of the city
then the city
then the state
now get the idea of the space of just your body
you can see the difference
now get the idea of the space of the state
the country and the hemisphere ,., the planet ,,, this solar system .... the galaxy ... all the neighboring galaxies .... this quadrant of the universe .... the entire universe ...

add 1 more universe to this one ... add 10
now you have enough spiritual space to put something in it ... and we do have the power ,.. you just have to get rid of consideration that you are a weak body .. you are not
you can not imagine the amount of game we are playing .... you only have to decide you are cause over it.
this means that you are senior to all considerations and all beings everywhere ... you have to get the idea there is NO COUNTER INTENTION ANYWHERE
you are senior to ALL OF IT ....
then your thoughts will happen
we need a lot of the most powerful doing this ,.,to show them we are worth handling
thought is senior to ALL PHYSICAL UNIVERSE MECHANICS ,,... and we are senior to all of it
but you have to decide you are and then put the thought that the cabal is being stopped by the governments up there and we the people are in charge of this planet
then decide they put us into the galactic governments system ... so we can be heard ... and then they will be able to remove the cabal ,.
we have to bypass the cabal .... that means those who can do telepathy must act and locate those up there and get them to recognize us

according to free zone LRH is up there and is part of the senior counsel and can be a voice for us if we stand up as a collective

you can do this
let's get it done

jim

So if I understand this correctly, we once again must rely on others to save us from the cabal? This time the galactic governments?

Then when the cabal is gone, we will switch hierarchy system into the galactic government hierarchy instead?

Am I missing something in this picture?

Czarek
15th May 2013, 03:25
... but we have to get our spiritual space out there as big as this galaxy is and bigger

Inelia Benz talked about that not too long ago. Pretend that the essence of “you” extends one meter around you every day. And then more and more.

Tangri
15th May 2013, 03:31
I hope this is not off topic too much, but Jiminii, what is your take on the chemtrails. In your opinion, what exactly is their agenda, and are the fake disco ball stars in the sky that twinkle/flash various colors, are they parked satellites for using mind control technology such as directed energy weapons, and in your opinion, what can we do about this now.,,and what is the best approach to deflect/stop this type of abuse coming from such weapons.
there is one airline that is doing it .. from what I heard ... but I don't know the link .. close that airline down ... and the chemicals they are dropping are for making people sterile ... they want to depopulate the world by 80 percent ... so they can control all much easier ...

You should consider your respond as " I did not pay too much attention to that subject)
In the past they used specially equip-ted airplanes but now they do not need for major cities if they have enough air traffic above it. They just use manipulated regular fuel then every aircraft can be chem trailing vehicle.
they want to depopulate the world by 80 percent
Isn't it suits your 70% of population is servant, hybrid and need to flush out from Earth opinion? In mathematics only 10% is going to be your lost. It is not to much collateral isn't it?

Where is LRH now? as I know as he is in the future but known future is undone already then is he in Limbo(purgatory, 4th density trap)? and how is your other body which stay in future time line is it disepeard, vanished in undone future?

jiminii
15th May 2013, 03:47
we are more powerful than any group in this universe ... but we have to get our spiritual space out there as big as this galaxy is and bigger ... put our space out to cover the not only this galactic governments but all the neighboring galaxies ...
you see there is a viewpoint to all the neighboring galaxies that this planet and all the entities on it is just a pain in the a***** ... not worth bothering with .. and we won't be if we don't make our presents felt .... this is not hard to do ... practicing getting your space out there ...
just get the idea of the space of just your body
then get the idea of the space of the room
then get the idea of the space of the apartment
then the building
then this part of the city
then the city
then the state
now get the idea of the space of just your body
you can see the difference
now get the idea of the space of the state
the country and the hemisphere ,., the planet ,,, this solar system .... the galaxy ... all the neighboring galaxies .... this quadrant of the universe .... the entire universe ...

add 1 more universe to this one ... add 10
now you have enough spiritual space to put something in it ... and we do have the power ,.. you just have to get rid of consideration that you are a weak body .. you are not
you can not imagine the amount of game we are playing .... you only have to decide you are cause over it.
this means that you are senior to all considerations and all beings everywhere ... you have to get the idea there is NO COUNTER INTENTION ANYWHERE
you are senior to ALL OF IT ....
then your thoughts will happen
we need a lot of the most powerful doing this ,.,to show them we are worth handling
thought is senior to ALL PHYSICAL UNIVERSE MECHANICS ,,... and we are senior to all of it
but you have to decide you are and then put the thought that the cabal is being stopped by the governments up there and we the people are in charge of this planet
then decide they put us into the galactic governments system ... so we can be heard ... and then they will be able to remove the cabal ,.
we have to bypass the cabal .... that means those who can do telepathy must act and locate those up there and get them to recognize us

according to free zone LRH is up there and is part of the senior counsel and can be a voice for us if we stand up as a collective

you can do this
let's get it done

jim

So if I understand this correctly, we once again must rely on others to save us from the cabal? This time the galactic governments?

Then when the cabal is gone, we will switch hierarchy system into the galactic government hierarchy instead?

Am I missing something in this picture?

from my knowingness ... we are waiting for this planet to go into full 4th dimension ... as we all wake up more and more ... they are all still negotiating the outcome ... for example the pole shift and other decisions they are working on ..... everything that was suppose to happen ... didn't happen ... only a few things actually happened like the planet heating up and some volcanic activity and earthquakes .... but if I was to really tell you from my surety ... I KNEW VIETNAM would not be able to attack Thailand while I was there. and I am a viewpoint that is an observation now since I wasn't able to complete the mission of opening up the upper OT levels in Scientology ... and I also knew one more thing .... it was my decision whether we salvaged the planet or not ....I decided to salvage it ... so each year goes by and every time I hear something come up like Indonesia is sinking ... something happens and it is more or less in check.
I just have a hard time believing that I can do all this ... because i have to think through this body .... what I really feel is my being here along with all those others that were sent here are keeping the planet from going away like all the expected senario's like the madrid fault going and yellowstone going ... hasn't happened ... so we are holding the place and keeping it from going away .... when someone comes up and tells me "how do we stop the chem trails" ... I guess I just have to confront that too ... because everything I confront gets handled ... but this body think throws me off ... I have to dream up a way to stop it ... or just decide NO MORE CHEM TRAILS .... and let the postulate do the work ... it is funny how postulates work ... you can put in an end thing ... without a work around ... and the postulate will just come up with a way to do it and I get completely surprised how this spirit in me handles it .... so we decide it from now ... NO MORE CHEM TRAILS ... and see what the being will do with that postulate .... NO MORE MONSANTO ... and they will just drop like flies ... you see everyone who tried to stop me when I tried to join the sea org of scientology once got sick ... so they were forced to let me join ... but I guess I could have gotten rid of the infiltration too ... but this body didn't know at the time until way later ... but I know I have the power to handle just about anything ... so another way to handle Monsanto and the chem trails is put the postulate out and have anyone that works for these organizations get sick and never get well until they stop doing what they are doing ,... you can probably handle the entire cabal this way too .... I just never thought of it ... but now that you reminded me of how I handle past stops on my intentions ... this could be a way to stop all the suppression forever ,,, but it is really not allowing others free choice ... but to hell with free choice ... they KNOW they are wrong ... so with enough intention there we can stop them

jim

jiminii
15th May 2013, 04:12
I hope this is not off topic too much, but Jiminii, what is your take on the chemtrails. In your opinion, what exactly is their agenda, and are the fake disco ball stars in the sky that twinkle/flash various colors, are they parked satellites for using mind control technology such as directed energy weapons, and in your opinion, what can we do about this now.,,and what is the best approach to deflect/stop this type of abuse coming from such weapons.
there is one airline that is doing it .. from what I heard ... but I don't know the link .. close that airline down ... and the chemicals they are dropping are for making people sterile ... they want to depopulate the world by 80 percent ... so they can control all much easier ...

You should consider your respond as " I did not pay too much attention to that subject)
In the past they used specially equip-ted airplanes but now they do not need for major cities if they have enough air traffic above it. They just use manipulated regular fuel then every aircraft can be chem trailing vehicle.
they want to depopulate the world by 80 percent
Isn't it suits your 70% of population is servant, hybrid and need to flush out from Earth opinion? In mathematics only 10% is going to be your lost. It is not to much collateral isn't it?

Where is LRH now? as I know as he is in the future but known future is undone already then is he in Limbo(purgatory, 4th density trap)? and how is your other body which stay in future time line is it disepeard, vanished in undone future?

you can vanish a viewpoint since it is a creation but you can't vanish a spirit ... Metteyya is the spirit of LRH ... and Metteyya has the ability to vanish the viewpoint called LRH .. but they can't vanish another spirit being like gaia .... if they could they wouldn't need prison planets ,,,, so we have no problem with the populations but we need better tech so we don't destroy the planets food supply using our tech ... there is a lot of variables to this and they must make the greatest good decision .. and if that decision is to load up all the royalty in space ships and all those who are higher level beings ... this doesn't mean if you are a house wife that you couldn't be a higher being ... and leave the perverts and criminals and degraded beings .. the suppressives and basic trash beings cabal whatever ... if they decide it ... then that will be the outcome ... they will make a pole shift and salvage the most valuable and in death the rest will be able to go back to their home planet or to a same level planet and continue their journey ... if they decide this for the greatest good .. that is what will happen ,.. but we will all be in an environment that will let us expand from where we are ... so it is just basically a planet shift ... shouldn't be a big problem .. it is just people here all programmed on the heaven and hell might mot find the heaven or hell they expected to find ,,

jim

Tangri
15th May 2013, 04:33
I hope this is not off topic too much, but Jiminii, what is your take on the chemtrails. In your opinion, what exactly is their agenda, and are the fake disco ball stars in the sky that twinkle/flash various colors, are they parked satellites for using mind control technology such as directed energy weapons, and in your opinion, what can we do about this now.,,and what is the best approach to deflect/stop this type of abuse coming from such weapons.
there is one airline that is doing it .. from what I heard ... but I don't know the link .. close that airline down ... and the chemicals they are dropping are for making people sterile ... they want to depopulate the world by 80 percent ... so they can control all much easier ...

You should consider your respond as " I did not pay too much attention to that subject)
In the past they used specially equip-ted airplanes but now they do not need for major cities if they have enough air traffic above it. They just use manipulated regular fuel then every aircraft can be chem trailing vehicle.
they want to depopulate the world by 80 percent
Isn't it suits your 70% of population is servant, hybrid and need to flush out from Earth opinion? In mathematics only 10% is going to be your lost. It is not to much collateral isn't it?

Where is LRH now? as I know as he is in the future but known future is undone already then is he in Limbo(purgatory, 4th density trap)? and how is your other body which stay in future time line is it disepeard, vanished in undone future?

you can vanish a viewpoint since it is a creation but you can't vanish a spirit ... Metteyya is the spirit of LRH ... and Metteyya has the ability to vanish the viewpoint called LRH .. but they can't vanish another spirit being like gaia .... if they could they wouldn't need prison planets ,,,, so we have no problem with the populations but we need better tech so we don't destroy the planets food supply using our tech ... there is a lot of variables to this and they must make the greatest good decision .. and if that decision is to load up all the royalty in space ships and all those who are higher level beings ... this doesn't mean if you are a house wife that you couldn't be a higher being ... and leave the perverts and criminals and degraded beings .. the suppressives and basic trash beings cabal whatever ... if they decide it ... then that will be the outcome ... they will make a pole shift and salvage the most valuable and in death the rest will be able to go back to their home planet or to a same level planet and continue their journey ... if they decide this for the greatest good .. that is what will happen ,.. but we will all be in an environment that will let us expand from where we are ... so it is just basically a planet shift ... shouldn't be a big problem .. it is just people here all programmed on the heaven and hell might mot find the heaven or hell they expected to find ,,

jim

Still I do not understand the difference between "They want to depopulate by 80 % because they can control easily"

with so it is just basically a planet shift ... shouldn't be a big problem wiping out 70% idea

InCiDeR
15th May 2013, 04:44
I hope this is not off topic too much, but Jiminii, what is your take on the chemtrails. In your opinion, what exactly is their agenda, and are the fake disco ball stars in the sky that twinkle/flash various colors, are they parked satellites for using mind control technology such as directed energy weapons, and in your opinion, what can we do about this now.,,and what is the best approach to deflect/stop this type of abuse coming from such weapons.
there is one airline that is doing it .. from what I heard ... but I don't know the link .. close that airline down ... and the chemicals they are dropping are for making people sterile ... they want to depopulate the world by 80 percent ... so they can control all much easier ...

You should consider your respond as " I did not pay too much attention to that subject)
In the past they used specially equip-ted airplanes but now they do not need for major cities if they have enough air traffic above it. They just use manipulated regular fuel then every aircraft can be chem trailing vehicle.
they want to depopulate the world by 80 percent
Isn't it suits your 70% of population is servant, hybrid and need to flush out from Earth opinion? In mathematics only 10% is going to be your lost. It is not to much collateral isn't it?

Where is LRH now? as I know as he is in the future but known future is undone already then is he in Limbo(purgatory, 4th density trap)? and how is your other body which stay in future time line is it disepeard, vanished in undone future?

you can vanish a viewpoint since it is a creation but you can't vanish a spirit ... Metteyya is the spirit of LRH ... and Metteyya has the ability to vanish the viewpoint called LRH .. but they can't vanish another spirit being like gaia .... if they could they wouldn't need prison planets ,,,, so we have no problem with the populations but we need better tech so we don't destroy the planets food supply using our tech ... there is a lot of variables to this and they must make the greatest good decision .. and if that decision is to load up all the royalty in space ships and all those who are higher level beings ... this doesn't mean if you are a house wife that you couldn't be a higher being ... and leave the perverts and criminals and degraded beings .. the suppressives and basic trash beings cabal whatever ... if they decide it ... then that will be the outcome ... they will make a pole shift and salvage the most valuable and in death the rest will be able to go back to their home planet or to a same level planet and continue their journey ... if they decide this for the greatest good .. that is what will happen ,.. but we will all be in an environment that will let us expand from where we are ... so it is just basically a planet shift ... shouldn't be a big problem .. it is just people here all programmed on the heaven and hell might mot find the heaven or hell they expected to find ,,

jim

Honestly, aren't you tired that other decides what is for the greater good? Isn't that exactly what the cabal is doing?

I mean, isn't it time for us, human kind, to decide what is for our own and greater good? And not empower others what lies within our own hands and powers?

berry
15th May 2013, 04:46
Thank you, Jim. Your inspiration and guidance comes at a perfect time when many of our kind are looking for a little direction.

Tangri
15th May 2013, 04:59
If I am god, I am going to punish both site for being lack of empathy when I woke up..

waves
15th May 2013, 05:48
we are more powerful than any group in this universe ...

Than any? What makes us more powerful?



....thought is senior to ALL PHYSICAL UNIVERSE MECHANICS...

I've known this, and known it's the key to freedom. I'm getting better at not momentarily doubting.



.....and we are senior to all of it.

And who is 'we'? Aren't there 4 (anglo, negro, oriental, jew) or more human species here and/or elsewhere?


I'm very much enjoying this crash course in foundational LRH.
Thank you.

jiminii
15th May 2013, 06:08
Still I do not understand the difference between "They want to depopulate by 80 % because they can control easily"

with so it is just basically a planet shift ... shouldn't be a big problem wiping out 70% idea

they are using the idea of too much population is destruct to the planet ... in food supplies ... pollution .. all of it .. but the cabal set this up to fail because they are extreme racists .. and so they setup famine everywhere which stimulates the idea in the species to procreate and make a lot of babies to survive ... so the places where they create this becomes extremely populated ... so they took on the idea of getting rid of 80 percent to satisfy everyone's think ... but they created the problem themselves ... countries that are prosperous do not get overpopulated ...and they could just as a final solution, (if it were not for the fact that galactic confederation will not allow a genocide to happen though the keep one eye open and try to not look at the dropping of chem trails as a kind of genocide), they would just rather have the entire problem go away.
so I had finished everything I was suppose to do and one night I am given the choice to drop my body and avoid the painful end ... I looked at it and I decided to finish it and stay here and confront what everyone else has to confront so I can make a better choice ...

believe me they don't look lightly at my decisions ... I can feel their response just like I can feel a persons response when I send a letter to someone .. my head will pop up when they receive the letter and I will feel their emotional response and get some kind of idea of what their answer would be ... so when I picked up they were going to give others a choice of handling the planet I sent a direct communication back saying this is our place and I am a galactic confederation official of highest level .... and I have the choice of what to do with this planet and it belongs to us ... and a lot of them would like to change this ... so the response was something like "why do we have to listen to you"" ... and I sent back ..."because if you don't I can from here just start tossing a few of your planets out to oblivion and no one can stop me because you are threatening my survival ...and I have a right to defend myself" so the planet is for sure OURS ... but now WE have to take FULL responsibility for it .... you once ran galaxies and YOU KNOW HOW TO DO THIS ... so what is so hard ... create all of this in your own universe and it will appear into the physical universe

Believe me they don't think lightly of what we can throw back at them ... ask the few who were abducted and said "I will send my god on you" and the ET's just let ;them go

you can do this

jim

jiminii
15th May 2013, 06:17
Honestly, aren't you tired that other decides what is for the greater good? Isn't that exactly what the cabal is doing?

I mean, isn't it time for us, human kind, to decide what is for our own and greater good? And not empower others what lies within our own hands and powers?

one person can't do it ... everyone has to take on a hat ... to handle whatever they want to handle ... and take FULL responsibility for the entire game ... the cabal are only doing if for themselves ... and basically all spirit beings are good ... when you peel off all the painful garbage they wanted good in the beginning and changed .. so if your game is more pro survival for the greatest good of the greatest number of dynamics ... you will win out over those who only care about a few dynamics

dynamics are
survival through
self
sex and/or family
groups
all man kind
all life forms
as a spirit
as or though a god

you have to take responsibility for the greatest good for all of those dynamics ... means ... be a god to the best of your ability and decide to have all your dynamics at the highest level of survival you can think up and take responsibility for

jim

jiminii
15th May 2013, 06:23
If I am god, I am going to punish both site for being lack of empathy when I woke up..

just do the greatest good and it will be more easy to do than punishing everyone ... you won't get much agreement on punishing everyone.. but you will get a lot more agreement on doing the greatest good

jim

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Honestly, aren't you tired that other decides what is for the greater good? Isn't that exactly what the cabal is doing?

I mean, isn't it time for us, human kind, to decide what is fo r our own and greater good? And not empower others what lies within our own hands and powers?

yes but I have to get a lot more agreement if we are going to do this headon

jim

jiminii
15th May 2013, 06:28
we are more powerful than any group in this universe ...

Than any? What makes us more powerful?



....thought is senior to ALL PHYSICAL UNIVERSE MECHANICS...

I've known this, and known it's the key to freedom. I'm getting better at not momentarily doubting.



.....and we are senior to all of it.

And who is 'we'? Aren't there 4 (anglo, negro, oriental, jew) or more human species here and/or elsewhere?


I'm very much enjoying this crash course in foundational LRH.
Thank you.

it is the gods that were up there and the decision was made to trap all the gods on these prison planets
power is based off how much free theta a being has

we means those gods that were trapped here ... and they can be anywhere on the planet

jim

Hervé
15th May 2013, 07:10
[...]

in the days of buddha we didn't expect this government would trap all the gods on prison planets as a solution ... but the truth is we had to trap all the gods on the planet ... because the governments would not come down here to stop us from opening up the new powers in spirits but a powerful god could stop it ... so those in the future in control of running this time we are in again had all the gods trapped on the planets so they would not be able to stop the process and we would control it from the future

[...]

jim

jim,

Could you clarify which government? Which gods? Preventing whose plan? Etc...

In any case, if this is not a wicked plan, I don't know what is?

LRH pointed out a number of times that the so-called linear sequence of cause (in the past) and effect (in the present) is most of the time insufficiently analyzed because in many cases the "cause" would be in the future in order to affect the present. At the time I didn't know why he would expound on the concept, now I do.

A simple example he gave of a cause located in the future that affected one's present was the idea that if someone needed to buy food to have something to eat tomorrow, one would have to get some work done and earn some $ today.

Hervé
15th May 2013, 08:05
I'm going to do a one breath sharing here ...

[...]

You must be an apnea, deep sea, pearl diver... that was quite a deep breath! :)

jiminii
15th May 2013, 08:08
[...]

in the days of buddha we didn't expect this government would trap all the gods on prison planets as a solution ... but the truth is we had to trap all the gods on the planet ... because the governments would not come down here to stop us from opening up the new powers in spirits but a powerful god could stop it ... so those in the future in control of running this time we are in again had all the gods trapped on the planets so they would not be able to stop the process and we would control it from the future

[...]

jim

jim,

Could you clarify which government? Which gods? Preventing whose plan? Etc...

In any case, if this is not a wicked plan, I don't know what is?

LRH pointed out a number of times that the so-called linear sequence of cause (in the past) and effect (in the present) is most of the time insufficiently analyzed because in many cases the "cause" would be in the future in order to affect the present. At the time I didn't know why he would expound on the concept, now I do.

A simple example he gave of a cause located in the future that affected one's present was the idea that if someone needed to buy food to have something to eat tomorrow, one would have to get some work done and earn some $ today.

this time we are in now ... had already happened ... we are actually in the future about 367 or more years from now ... the plan the reptilians had was some kind of methods they used to get control of everyone's mind and they had setup all through this galaxy devices that would allow them to change everything into reptilian control ... mind control though out the galaxy ... but the gods, (OT;s at the time) were expecting this to happen and hide themselves in a time portal between this time and the future time and were able to continue their work to open up the technology to rehabilitate this galaxy
now this might be hard to understand ... but every creation of this time continuum is still here ... this means when you create time space time space time space you get a persistence of space run in automatic ... every space that is created is still here ... none of it is vanished ... so it is like a huge 3d film ... and a being can step into a body anywhere he wants on this time track. the future was in total terror ... and it was traced to this planet at this period of time ... we did not stop the reptilians from invading this galaxy ....

since they had the basic tech of scientology they sent 3 waves of newly created viewpoints ... (the golden ball near the head that everyone thinks is a spirit) ... these are brand new viewpoints that came out of Metteyya and gaia and I don't know how many other of the gods ,... but millions were sent with the purpose of raising the vibration of the planet ... others were sent with powers like me that in the hope they could wake us up we could tap into these gods ... like me tapping into my source which is metteyya and utilizing this knowingness to salvage the planet ...

the government this galaxy belongs to is a no change system .. they don't want anyone to change anything ... so artist and genius and engiiners and etc that don't comply get sent to this prison planet .., but also perverts and criminals and degrade beings are also sent here to fight each other so we would be so busy fighting we would not look for ways to enlighten ourselves enough to find a way to get free ...

LRH is a viewpoint sent from the future so he had direct contact with those on base 2 ... because you have about 20 hours up there to every hour we have here he could do all the things he needed to do to create a tech that will change the future. so while he is auditing the other gods up there are evaluating and seeing what are the correct effects that will get results and could guide him to complete his works

from here the millions that were sent with no standard memory banks and no reactive mind ... means no recording system ... Natural clears .. that don't create picture memory system ... and if processed they would never look into the future because the think would be to look into the past to find what is happening to the person and fix it

so they have these natural clears that they can not find any past memory because they never looked into the future and if the did they would find nothing because they have no previous lifetime

anything else you want to know

jim

Hervé
15th May 2013, 08:14
[...]

anything else you want to know

jim

ALL of it! :)

Thanks!

Hervé
15th May 2013, 08:28
To provide some corroboration to what jiminii is attempting to convey here, as an "exam," I "audited" someone to track down an inhibiting datum that was hampering his current life. Tracked it down to 13 billion years ago as part of a group of these "gods" who were planning their future as they knew they were cornered. So, although this planet and solar system didn't even exist back then, they "knew" they would end up on Earth to continue their work... fascinating stuff as was his wide "F/N" (Floating Needle, see: http://www.xenu-directory.net/glossary/glossary_a.htm).

jiminii
15th May 2013, 08:58
To provide some corroboration to what jiminii is attempting to convey here, as an "exam," I "audited" someone to track down an inhibiting datum that was hampering his current life. Tracked it down to 13 billion years ago as part of a group of these "gods" who were planning their future as they knew they were cornered. So, although this planet and solar system didn't even exist back then, they "knew" they would end up on Earth to continue their work... fascinating stuff as was his wide "F/N" (Floating Needle, see: http://www.xenu-directory.net/glossary/glossary_a.htm).

I just had a blow down ... I found LRH ... just look in the future .... he is there .... wow .. this blow down is still going ..... well I don' know... maybe you can connect up with him ... I mean we are the same spirit ... just I can't connect to the data as easy as he can

jim

Hervé
15th May 2013, 09:16
Thanks jiminii... shivering at your win... and I had a good chuckle too when I recalled one of LRH's favorite quote to the effect of -- to paraphrase -- "the entire playing field is open to you: nobody is doing anything with the future."

Hervé
15th May 2013, 09:41
As for the concern expressed of substituting one group of ET "saviour" for another, here are other excerpts from the "Role of Earth" lecture:


Mars: They're guilty of tremendous overt acts themselves. They've got a holding operation; they have no method of attacks. They have been influencing via the mind for so long that they've actually lost initiative to do anything else.

Some guard has been walking past some cell where there's a body in pawn, and all of a sudden this body stirs. Bodies are not supposed to do that. So he says: "Oh oh, somebody just died."

But it doesn't stir the way a body stirs when it just died. Probably a few years ago they said: "Oh, some damn hypnotist... Nobody will believe him anyway." They didn't do too much about it. But that's not the case here in the last year or so. They've been fascinated. [Dianetics auditing, in the '50s was blowing up bodies in pawn left and right all over the place]

And if anybody was going to do anything to Earth on a violent side it would be somebody like the 5th Invader Force. But the 5th Invader force has completely opposite interest in Earth; it does not want to do anything to Earth.

If anything is protecting Earth at this time, it's the 5th Invader Force. You'll find an occasional body in pawn from the 5th Invader Force and when you do, it'll be on a different proposition because it's monitored by consent; the guy is here with a comm line set up. And he's almost in a state of knowingness concerning exactly where he came from and what he's doing.

So there's no active concept involved here of battle or action beyond this insidious action through the mind.

Some joker in the U.S. will suddenly order all the ships into port at Pearl Harbor suddenly, inexplicably. And then fix it up so that none of the messages to warn Pearl Harbor get there. Insists on putting them all in top-secret code.

All of a sudden, from some quarters, in sails one of these wild ones - One of these terrifically wild tidbits of business that you just say "Huh, can't exist!"

Well, the human race will shadowbox with this for a long time if it remains the human race. It'll keep doing this. So don't expect that your preclear will be able to explain completely some of his actions during his lifetime - little actions.

I say: "Yes, I knew her commanding officer" that happens to be true, but it doesn't mean that I have - let me make my position very clear - that I have any axe to grind with regard to this. I don't have. I'm not part of this fight.

As far as a thetan being very badly implanted is concerned, how can you implant an energy unit? It's a question in which you should be awfully interested. Because you can't. You can give it some ridges, but it can always move out from amongst these ridges.

jiminii
15th May 2013, 11:39
Thanks jiminii... shivering at your win... and I had a good chuckle too when I recalled one of LRH's favorite quote to the effect of -- to paraphrase -- "the entire playing field is open to you: nobody is doing anything with the future."

LRH has been with me all this time ... I just didn't know it. but this time I really got the cog ... all these yawns in the night ... he's been doing something with me. that is funny ... he didn't even know he was operating from the future ... he didn't know the thetan was the viewpoint ... but my other friend has a body on base 2 too and she can see her other timelines ... so I got confused ... LRH says a thetan can run more than one body ... but my friend stayed alive until he got that message to me ... he kept doing it too wanted to make sure I got it. I got confused because I wanted to know who is the one in charge here of all these bodies ... then I realize my friend was right ... each timeline has it's own thetan ..and each thetan has it's own time track ... that is why I could run all of LRH's pictures for 3 days ... every second millions of pictures ... it was hard to even concentrate on walking down the street. but the problem was I was missing his withhold and he was trying to justify his first wife ... I met his first wife at FSO but that wife was a boy about 19 years old and they were running all his/hers overts on LRH but would not run LRH's overts on him//her ... so I thought there was something wrong .. and started running LRH's pictures and I could feel it was a kind of ARC break with him and he didn't want this stuff known .... his first wife got pregnant from a psychiatrist ... and she was very busy trying to abort the child ... and the engrams that kid must have had wow

my cog at the end of running all those pictures was I was going to lose my japanese wife that was up at int. I got her back but they still managed some how to break us up

ok int is the international org for scientology
ARC break is a break in affinity or reality or communication
engram is a painful incident that made the person go unconcious
overt is a contra survival act on one of the dynamics
FSO is Flag service org
Thetan is the viewpoint .. the eyes of a spirit looks like goldent ball with a ring around it
time track is like a track of time of eveything in the physical universe since the beginning of time and more
timeline is one of the viewpoints track of time
cog means cognition you get when you realize something
withhold something you don't want others to know

im

Prodigal Son
15th May 2013, 12:03
you can do thisff ... I have to dream up a way to stop it ... or just decide NO MORE CHEM TRAILS .... and let the postulate do the work ... it is funny how postulates work ... you can put in an end thing ... without a work around ... and the postulate will just come up with a way to do it and I get completely surprised how this spirit in me handles it .... so we decide it from now ... NO MORE CHEM TRAILS ... and see what the being will do with that postulate ....
Summer before last, sometime around the middle of August which seems to be a very powerful time for me, I looked up in the sky and saw an absolutely disgusting mess of chemtrails that stretched from one horizon to the other. I was deeply grieved in my soul. I was just so completely sick and tired of it. I was alone in the backyard. For several minutes I continued to stare at the trails and verbally shout out that "we" do not accept this. "We" did not consent to this. "We" demand an end to it.

I had never done anything like that before.

From that day forward, I did not see a single chemtrail in the sky anywhere over Long Island for a period of six weeks. When it got to be October I started thinking, maybe the cabal is finished. The very next day the chemtrails started again.

I don't know what it was, I'm not making any claims for myself. Probably a coincidence, but Jesus said we could move mountains with our thoughts. I thought it was appropriate to say "we" because I know there are others like me, here on Long Island, who hate these trails and are deeply disturbed by them. Apparently my mistake was not adding the word "permanently" to my mantra.

I do believe in this power of the human mind completely. It is the one thing that ties everything together and makes sense of everything the cabal does. And for that reason my intuition tells me that keeping human consciousness suppressed or switched off is the prime reason for the chemtrails.

eaglespirit
15th May 2013, 12:41
...all I am actively doing is envisioning the ^^^highest good^^^
coming forth from all of this for ALL : )

Love, Love, Love to Everyone and Everything !!!

jiminii
15th May 2013, 13:26
you can do thisff ... I have to dream up a way to stop it ... or just decide NO MORE CHEM TRAILS .... and let the postulate do the work ... it is funny how postulates work ... you can put in an end thing ... without a work around ... and the postulate will just come up with a way to do it and I get completely surprised how this spirit in me handles it .... so we decide it from now ... NO MORE CHEM TRAILS ... and see what the being will do with that postulate ....
Summer before last, sometime around the middle of August which seems to be a very powerful time for me, I looked up in the sky and saw an absolutely disgusting mess of chemtrails that stretched from one horizon to the other. I was deeply grieved in my soul. I was just so completely sick and tired of it. I was alone in the backyard. For several minutes I continued to stare at the trails and verbally shout out that "we" do not accept this. "We" did not consent to this. "We" demand an end to it.

I had never done anything like that before.

From that day forward, I did not see a single chemtrail in the sky anywhere over Long Island for a period of six weeks. When it got to be October I started thinking, maybe the cabal is finished. The very next day the chemtrails started again.

I don't know what it was, I'm not making any claims for myself. Probably a coincidence, but Jesus said we could move mountains with our thoughts. I thought it was appropriate to say "we" because I know there are others like me, here on Long Island, who hate these trails and are deeply disturbed by them. Apparently my mistake was not adding the word "permanently" to my mantra.

I do believe in this power of the human mind completely. It is the one thing that ties everything together and makes sense of everything the cabal does. And for that reason my intuition tells me that keeping human consciousness suppressed or switched off is the prime reason for the chemtrails.

take a win
if you put out the thought before it happens take a win ... it makes your future postulates work better

and it is possible when you looked at it again ... you undid the original postulate and then the trails started again

in fact I have trouble hearing because the left ear is deaf and it rings all the time ...
so they give me a job where I have to go get the person and bring them down to get processing ...

and every time i couldn't understand what the name was because many people from different countries have weird names and the boss of me would not write the names down ... she would rather argue with me for not hearing 10 minutes then just write the name down

so I put out a postulate ... they will be coming in when I am going out to get them ...

each time I want out the door that day the person I was looking for came in the other door ... and I would be along time to find him and call in and they would say "the person came in when you left"

by afternoon the boss of the group came up to me and said, "jim just go to the canteen and buy a coke ...don't look for the person ... we lose you for and hour each time
so every time I went to look I just go the the canteen and the person came in when I left to get them ... everyone was laughing they never seen this happen before ... this went for 3 days .. until I ran out of coke money and thought this was stupid and suddenly they stopped coming in when I left

jim

Sidney
15th May 2013, 14:21
Thanks jiminii... shivering at your win... and I had a good chuckle too when I recalled one of LRH's favorite quote to the effect of -- to paraphrase -- "the entire playing field is open to you: nobody is doing anything with the future."

LRH has been with me all this time ... I just didn't know it. but this time I really got the cog ... all these yawns in the night ... he's been doing something with me. that is funny ... he didn't even know he was operating from the future ... he didn't know the thetan was the viewpoint ... but my other friend has a body on base 2 too and she can see her other timelines ... so I got confused ... LRH says a thetan can run more than one body ... but my friend stayed alive until he got that message to me ... he kept doing it too wanted to make sure I got it. I got confused because I wanted to know who is the one in charge here of all these bodies ... then I realize my friend was right ... each timeline has it's own thetan ..and each thetan has it's own time track ... that is why I could run all of LRH's pictures for 3 days ... every second millions of pictures ... it was hard to even concentrate on walking down the street. but the problem was I was missing his withhold and he was trying to justify his first wife ... I met his first wife at FSO but that wife was a boy about 19 years old and they were running all his/hers overts on LRH but would not run LRH's overts on him//her ... so I thought there was something wrong .. and started running LRH's pictures and I could feel it was a kind of ARC break with him and he didn't want this stuff known .... his first wife got pregnant from a psychiatrist ... and she was very busy trying to abort the child ... and the engrams that kid must have had wow

my cog at the end of running all those pictures was I was going to lose my japanese wife that was up at int. I got her back but they still managed some how to break us up

ok int is the international org for scientology
ARC break is a break in affinity or reality or communication
engram is a painful incident that made the person go unconcious
overt is a contra survival act on one of the dynamics
FSO is Flag service org
Thetan is the viewpoint .. the eyes of a spirit looks like goldent ball with a ring around it
time track is like a track of time of eveything in the physical universe since the beginning of time and more
timeline is one of the viewpoints track of time
cog means cognition you get when you realize something
withhold something you don't want others to know

im

Just curious, you keep using the word "think" out of context the way I am use to seeing it used. Do you mean idea? By this?

example: "and if processed they would never look into the future because the think would be to look into the past to find what is happening to the person and fix it."

Sidney
15th May 2013, 14:25
you can do thisff ... I have to dream up a way to stop it ... or just decide NO MORE CHEM TRAILS .... and let the postulate do the work ... it is funny how postulates work ... you can put in an end thing ... without a work around ... and the postulate will just come up with a way to do it and I get completely surprised how this spirit in me handles it .... so we decide it from now ... NO MORE CHEM TRAILS ... and see what the being will do with that postulate ....
Summer before last, sometime around the middle of August which seems to be a very powerful time for me, I looked up in the sky and saw an absolutely disgusting mess of chemtrails that stretched from one horizon to the other. I was deeply grieved in my soul. I was just so completely sick and tired of it. I was alone in the backyard. For several minutes I continued to stare at the trails and verbally shout out that "we" do not accept this. "We" did not consent to this. "We" demand an end to it.

I had never done anything like that before.

From that day forward, I did not see a single chemtrail in the sky anywhere over Long Island for a period of six weeks. When it got to be October I started thinking, maybe the cabal is finished. The very next day the chemtrails started again.

I don't know what it was, I'm not making any claims for myself. Probably a coincidence, but Jesus said we could move mountains with our thoughts. I thought it was appropriate to say "we" because I know there are others like me, here on Long Island, who hate these trails and are deeply disturbed by them. Apparently my mistake was not adding the word "permanently" to my mantra.

I do believe in this power of the human mind completely. It is the one thing that ties everything together and makes sense of everything the cabal does. And for that reason my intuition tells me that keeping human consciousness suppressed or switched off is the prime reason for the chemtrails.

I believe it is also the prime reason for TV and flouride and schools and asperatame and pharmaceuticals.

Fred Steeves
15th May 2013, 14:35
NO MORE MONSANTO ... and they will just drop like flies ... you see everyone who tried to stop me when I tried to join the sea org of scientology once got sick ... so they were forced to let me join ... but I guess I could have gotten rid of the infiltration too ... but this body didn't know at the time until way later ... but I know I have the power to handle just about anything ... so another way to handle Monsanto and the chem trails is put the postulate out and have anyone that works for these organizations get sick and never get well until they stop doing what they are doing ,... you can probably handle the entire cabal this way too .... I just never thought of it ... but now that you reminded me of how I handle past stops on my intentions ... this could be a way to stop all the suppression forever ,,, but it is really not allowing others free choice ... but to hell with free choice ... they KNOW they are wrong ... so with enough intention there we can stop them


Jim, this is PRECISELY one of the ways tyrants are born, especially your line "but to hell with free choice" at the end. Here's how it works, Tyranny 101: Good guy becomes empowered enough to defeat bad guy, does so by any means possible, then good guy becomes the new bad guy.

And round and round we go...

Making people sick? "They will just drop like flies"? "To hell with free choice"? You're treading on very dangerous ground my friend, along with anyone else here who may fancy this a good idea. Buyer Beware.

As Captain Kirk would say: "Sound Red Alert".

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jiminii
15th May 2013, 15:15
Jim, this is PRECISELY one of the ways tyrants are born, especially your line "but to hell with free choice" at the end. Here's how it works, Tyranny 101: Good guy becomes empowered enough to defeat bad guy, does so by any means possible, then good guy becomes the new bad guy.

And round and round we go...

Making people sick? "They will just drop like flies"? "To hell with free choice"? You're treading on very dangerous ground my friend, along with anyone else here who may fancy this a good idea. Buyer Beware.

As Captain Kirk would say: "Sound Red Alert".

an overt is something you do to someone else that is nonsurvival
a motivator is something that returns to you because of the overt you did to someone else
it is called a motivator because it justifies you to do the overt again

ok it is an overt to kill someone ...
but it is not an overt to kill someone who is shooting people
it is an overt to not do the greatest good ... for example a child is crossing a busy highway and you can go get him so he will not be in danger .. but you don't do nothing and some car kills the child
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this is an overt of omission you could have done something that would be the greatest good but you didn't
if someone is dropping chem trail on the population to make people sterile ... it is not an overt to shoot down the airplane

allowing another person to commit an overt against you is an overt too

you can turn the cheek and let these lizard aliens who look at us like chicken and would eat us as a food resource if they took over the the planet or you can attack them and kill them and this would not be an overt ... turning the cheek and allowing them to eat you is an overt

if there is no other way to attack back but to use powers to make them sick as long as they are committing overts against the society is not an overt

if I attack them directly .. they will only kill me or put me in jail for trying to stop them from killing the human racej im

jim

christian
15th May 2013, 15:23
so another way to handle Monsanto and the chem trails is put the postulate out and have anyone that works for these organizations get sick and never get well until they stop doing what they are doing ,... you can probably handle the entire cabal this way too .... I just never thought of it ... but now that you reminded me of how I handle past stops on my intentions ... this could be a way to stop all the suppression forever ,,, but it is really not allowing others free choice ... but to hell with free choice ... they KNOW they are wrong ... so with enough intention there we can stop them


Jim, this is PRECISELY one of the ways tyrants are born, especially your line "but to hell with free choice" at the end. Here's how it works, Tyranny 101: Good guy becomes empowered enough to defeat bad guy, does so by any means possible, then good guy becomes the new bad guy.

And round and round we go...

Making people sick? "They will just drop like flies"? "To hell with free choice"? You're treading on very dangerous ground my friend, along with anyone else here who may fancy this a good idea. Buyer Beware.

The highest ideal is to just move to a point where others' (abusive) actions simply don't affect you. But in working within one's means, sometimes it's necessary to also fight back and attack those who seek to destroy you to create yourself a little breathing space while you work on the other thing—moving beyond where you can even be affected by potential abusers. Free will is fine, but if somebody's free will decisions have a negative impact on me, I'll do what I can to change that. Either by becoming more resilient, but if that doesn't go all the way, I'll attack.

But you are right, this is indeed delicate ground, tyrannies are really born this way. It's all a question of wise application of discernment. Anyways, making people sick who spray chemtrails to make them stop doing this doesn't sound too bad, I find. I mean, what would you do if somebody on the street hits you in the face, again and again?



the planet is for sure OURS ... but now WE have to take FULL responsibility for it .... you once ran galaxies and YOU KNOW HOW TO DO THIS ... so what is so hard ... create all of this in your own universe and it will appear into the physical universe

Believe me they don't think lightly of what we can throw back at them ... ask the few who were abducted and said "I will send my god on you" and the ET's just let ;them go

you can do this

I don't "understand" or "agree with" everything you say in this thread, but I resonate with a lot. I find your aggressive stance on becoming a conscious and empowered creator very refreshing and inspiring. :)



Honestly, aren't you tired that other decides what is for the greater good? Isn't that exactly what the cabal is doing?

I mean, isn't it time for us, human kind, to decide what is for our own and greater good? And not empower others what lies within our own hands and powers?

Everything that is beyond what we consciously conceive and create, others will create for us, I think. Sure, we should move to a point where we become totally aware and responsible, but until we get there, there are of course others who will make decisions for us, that's perfectly natural, I think.

Like Jim said...


be a god to the best of your ability and decide to have all your dynamics at the highest level of survival you can think up and take responsibility for

I love this "just do it" vibe in this thread. :cool:

jiminii
15th May 2013, 15:23
Just curious, you keep using the word "think" out of context the way I am use to seeing it used. Do you mean idea? By this?

example: "and if processed they would never look into the future because the think would be to look into the past to find what is happening to the person and fix it."

if someone thinks a certain way about life or situations .. I can say ... this is their think ..on the subject ... something like ;that

Sidney
15th May 2013, 15:26
Just curious, you keep using the word "think" out of context the way I am use to seeing it used. Do you mean idea? By this?

example: "and if processed they would never look into the future because the think would be to look into the past to find what is happening to the person and fix it."

if someone thinks a certain way about life or situations .. I can say ... this is their think ..on the subject ... something like ;that
ok, so think is a thought. got it. So I am just curious, is that Scientology terminology, or do you speak with a foreign(different than american english) "accent".

jiminii
15th May 2013, 15:58
so another way to handle Monsanto and the chem trails is put the postulate out and have anyone that works for these organizations get sick and never get well until they stop doing what they are doing ,... you can probably handle the entire cabal this way too .... I just never thought of it ... but now that you reminded me of how I handle past stops on my intentions ... this could be a way to stop all the suppression forever ,,, but it is really not allowing others free choice ... but to hell with free choice ... they KNOW they are wrong ... so with enough intention there we can stop them


Jim, this is PRECISELY one of the ways tyrants are born, especially your line "but to hell with free choice" at the end. Here's how it works, Tyranny 101: Good guy becomes empowered enough to defeat bad guy, does so by any means possible, then good guy becomes the new bad guy.

And round and round we go...

Making people sick? "They will just drop like flies"? "To hell with free choice"? You're treading on very dangerous ground my friend, along with anyone else here who may fancy this a good idea. Buyer Beware.

The highest ideal is to just move to a point where others' (abusive) actions simply don't affect you. But in working within one's means, sometimes it's necessary to also fight back and attack those who seek to destroy you to create yourself a little breathing space while you work on the other thing—moving beyond where you can even be affected by potential abusers. Free will is fine, but if somebody's free will decisions have a negative impact on me, I'll do what I can to change that. Either by becoming more resilient, but if that doesn't go all the way, I'll attack.

But you are right, this is indeed delicate ground, tyrannies are really born this way. It's all a question of wise application of discernment. Anyways, making people sick who spray chemtrails to make them stop doing this doesn't sound too bad, I find. I mean, what would you do if somebody on the street hits you in the face, again and again?



the planet is for sure OURS ... but now WE have to take FULL responsibility for it .... you once ran galaxies and YOU KNOW HOW TO DO THIS ... so what is so hard ... create all of this in your own universe and it will appear into the physical universe

Believe me they don't think lightly of what we can throw back at them ... ask the few who were abducted and said "I will send my god on you" and the ET's just let ;them go

you can do this

I don't "understand" or "agree with" everything you say in this thread, but I resonate with a lot. I find your aggressive stance on becoming a conscious and empowered creator very refreshing and inspiring. :)



Honestly, aren't you tired that other decides what is for the greater good? Isn't that exactly what the cabal is doing?

I mean, isn't it time for us, human kind, to decide what is for our own and greater good? And not empower others what lies within our own hands and powers?

Everything that is beyond what we consciously conceive and create, others will create for us, I think. Sure, we should move to a point where we become totally aware and responsible, but until we get there, there are of course others who will make decisions for us, that's perfectly natural, I think.

Like Jim said...


be a god to the best of your abilittheyy and decide to have all your dynamics at the highest level of survival you can think up and take responsibility for

I love this "just do it" vibe in this thread. :cool:

they were about to make a decision that could affect us to the end of time ... They think they can come in and pretend to contribute to the salvation so they can get a piece of the game .. so they are using all their tech and advanced civilization to take the planet from us like we are just a beehive they can manipulate. If I speak from this being and this body makes no difference whether I am here on the planet in a weak body or up there ... they KNOW what I can do ... They put us here because they said we are too unpredictable and to dangerous to stay in their society up there ... so they know on a whim we could knock their space fleets to oblivion ... and they know I picked up on their new deal they were about to make to steal the planet from us ... so I put up an equal threat back ... go ahead and steal the planet ... and I will just toss a few of your planets out in the middle of the universe ... and they don't take these threats lightly .... I am on the planet and they are hitting our survival with everything they can legally hit us with but they are also extremely afraid of us .. so that is on our side and if we don't use it .. they will walk all over us ... so it got changed and it has been announced that this place belongs to us ... but it doesn't mean they will not try to find some way to legally not look at any attempt to wipe us out so they could steal the planet ,.. look at USA ... it is almost a mirror of where we came from ... just make it a million times bigger and it is the same game ... the same bankers we are creating the same thing from our memories here from where we came from .. and that is why metteyya made brand new spirit beings down here will no past experience .. their ethics would be much higher and their vibrations would dissolve all the entheta and raise the vibration while this cabal is trying to lower the vibration with fear and threat and theft through the IRS and every other impingement they can do to lower the vibration ... high tone is higher frequency .. art is way way up there in a very high frequency so high tone is the same as high vibration ... they want to lower it to below their vibration or tone so they can control us ... so everyone who reads this should be out there singing and dancing and making art and getting in touch with nature and doing the things that raise the tone level and throw all the newspapers away and turn of all the news broadcast and raise the vibration of the planet ... this will put them at such an effect ... they will probably go mad or start turning on themselves ... and anger is something they can't have ... it is so close to their knife in the back methods it scares the hell out of them ... so of course if anyone gets angry .. it has to be stopped ... they have gotten a hold of many of the biggest artist in the world and make the art ugly and the music degrading to try to lower the tone .. to promote sex perversion to lower our morals to lower the vibrations ... so you want to fight this ... ???? they used to have love in's in the parks so the police are sent out there to destroy it and you will see them in griffith park hitting children with billy clubs and 90 year old women who are running away from the riot the police created and saying in their newspaper ... that it was us who made the riots ... we have to do anything to raise our tone level and go around and spread happiness and get others to do it and show this cabal that they failed ... and that will drive them crazy



do you get it????

jim

jiminii
15th May 2013, 16:11
Just curious, you keep using the word "think" out of context the way I am use to seeing it used. Do you mean idea? By this?

example: "and if processed they would never look into the future because the think would be to look into the past to find what is happening to the person and fix it."

if someone thinks a certain way about life or situations .. I can say ... this is their think ..on the subject ... something like ;that
ok, so think is a thought. got it. So I am just curious, is that Scientology terminology, or do you speak with a foreign(different than american english) "accent".

don't know where I got it hahahah

Sidney
15th May 2013, 16:15
Just curious, you keep using the word "think" out of context the way I am use to seeing it used. Do you mean idea? By this?

example: "and if processed they would never look into the future because the think would be to look into the past to find what is happening to the person and fix it."

if someone thinks a certain way about life or situations .. I can say ... this is their think ..on the subject ... something like ;that
ok, so think is a thought. got it. So I am just curious, is that Scientology terminology, or do you speak with a foreign(different than american english) "accent".

don't know where I got it hahahah
just to be clear, it was not a racist comment or inquiry. I'm just thinking out loud (in print,lol)

jiminii
15th May 2013, 16:39
Just curious, you keep using the word "think" out of context the way I am use to seeing it used. Do you mean idea? By this?

example: "and if processed they would never look into the future because the think would be to look into the past to find what is happening to the person and fix it."

if someone thinks a certain way about life or situations .. I can say ... this is their think ..on the subject ... something like ;that
ok, so think is a thought. got it. So I am just curious, is that Scientology terminology, or do you speak with a foreign(different than american english) "accent".

don't know where I got it hahahah
just to be clear, it was not a racist comment or inquiry. I'm just thinking out loud (in print,lol)

kI understand ... it is just a way of writing ... not sure where I got it from

jim

Hervé
15th May 2013, 17:40
Just curious, you keep using the word "think" out of context the way I am use to seeing it used. Do you mean idea? By this?

example: "and if processed they would never look into the future because the think would be to look into the past to find what is happening to the person and fix it."

if someone thinks a certain way about life or situations .. I can say ... this is their think ..on the subject ... something like ;that

ok, so think is a thought. got it. So I am just curious, is that Scientology terminology, or do you speak with a foreign(different than american english) "accent".

It is a little known grammatical rule that one can label/name an action by taking the word describing the action and turning it into a noun; e.g., "to run" being the action of running and "a run" being the noun naming the action of running.

Hence, "to think" describes the action and "a think" is the noun derived from it that names the action.

The end product is "a thought" for it being the end product of "a think."

Hence, "a thought" and "a think" are not equivalent or synonyms.

LRH used it a lot.

Sidney
15th May 2013, 17:46
Just curious, you keep using the word "think" out of context the way I am use to seeing it used. Do you mean idea? By this?

example: "and if processed they would never look into the future because the think would be to look into the past to find what is happening to the person and fix it."

if someone thinks a certain way about life or situations .. I can say ... this is their think ..on the subject ... something like ;that

ok, so think is a thought. got it. So I am just curious, is that Scientology terminology, or do you speak with a foreign(different than american english) "accent".

It is a little known grammatical rule that one can label/name an action by taking the word describing the action and turning it into a noun; e.g., "to run" being the action of running and "a run" being the noun naming the action of running.

Hence, "to think" describes the action and "a think" is the noun derived from it that names the action.

The end product is "a thought" for it being the end product of "a think."

Hence, "a thought" and "a think" are not equivalent or synonyms.

LRH used it a lot.

Thank you for that.!!!!!!

wegge
15th May 2013, 18:11
you can do thisff ... I have to dream up a way to stop it ... or just decide NO MORE CHEM TRAILS .... and let the postulate do the work ... it is funny how postulates work ... you can put in an end thing ... without a work around ... and the postulate will just come up with a way to do it and I get completely surprised how this spirit in me handles it .... so we decide it from now ... NO MORE CHEM TRAILS ... and see what the being will do with that postulate ....
Summer before last, sometime around the middle of August which seems to be a very powerful time for me, I looked up in the sky and saw an absolutely disgusting mess of chemtrails that stretched from one horizon to the other. I was deeply grieved in my soul. I was just so completely sick and tired of it. I was alone in the backyard. For several minutes I continued to stare at the trails and verbally shout out that "we" do not accept this. "We" did not consent to this. "We" demand an end to it.

I had never done anything like that before.

From that day forward, I did not see a single chemtrail in the sky anywhere over Long Island for a period of six weeks. When it got to be October I started thinking, maybe the cabal is finished. The very next day the chemtrails started again.

I don't know what it was, I'm not making any claims for myself. Probably a coincidence, but Jesus said we could move mountains with our thoughts. I thought it was appropriate to say "we" because I know there are others like me, here on Long Island, who hate these trails and are deeply disturbed by them. Apparently my mistake was not adding the word "permanently" to my mantra.

I do believe in this power of the human mind completely. It is the one thing that ties everything together and makes sense of everything the cabal does. And for that reason my intuition tells me that keeping human consciousness suppressed or switched off is the prime reason for the chemtrails.

Peter Moon the author of the Montauk books speaks as August (13th) as a major biorythm, especially every 20 years. The height of the Montauk Project was on August 13th 1983, also the Philadelphia Experiment in 1943, he also includes the Major blackout in the USA in 2003 into this. (august 14th?) The middle of August is also called dog days, it´s the hottest period and Sirius is the closest to earth and was a special date in old egypt.


Jim it´s also nice to read about your experience regarding the crucifixion. Radu Cinnamar describes in his book "Mystery of egypt" an experience his "hero" has, using a time machine. It´s also about a UFO wreaking havoc at the crucifixion.

Freed Fox
15th May 2013, 18:24
I agree with Fred's comments about the birth of tyranny. We should not seek to destroy our enemies. The greatest good should not involve killing or destruction, but rehabilitation. If we are as powerful as you claim, jim, then we should be capable of that at any and all levels.

The generalizations are also bothering me somewhat... I don't know if it intentional or not, but surely not all Reptilians are negative entities. It seems to me to be tantamount to looking at the actions of the cabal or illuminati, and equating all humans with this sort of behavior.

I desire to see salvation for all entities, even those who have been 'the worst of the worst'. That is the only 'greatest good' that I can accept as such.

thunder24
15th May 2013, 18:42
ole jim.....my dear jim....

you said earlier that all u had to do was change their minds...so just change their minds dude, why make them get sick, why kill them.... you said u could change their minds, no?

surely if LRH is with u he could tell u that.:cool:

eaglespirit
15th May 2013, 18:49
Well...let's change their minds then...let's get on with it...each one of us that chooses to!

Send it out...demand a 'massive change of mind' directly unto the deceiving creators and controllers of all of this mayhem on Mother Earth!

Lets each of us step up to the plate and send that out there...clearly and strongly and firmly!

And let Spirit go, go, go with it!!!

Hervé
15th May 2013, 19:02
[...]

... the plan the reptilians had was some kind of methods they used to get control of everyone's mind and they had setup all through this galaxy devices that would allow them to change everything into reptilian control ... mind control through out the galaxy ... but the gods, (OTs at the time) were expecting this to happen and hid themselves in a time portal between this time and the future time and were able to continue their work to open up the technology to rehabilitate this galaxy

[...]

from here the millions that were sent with no standard memory banks and no reactive mind ... means no recording system ... Natural clears... that don't create picture memory system ... and if processed they would never look into the future because the think would be to look into the past to find what is happening to the person and fix it

so they have these natural clears that they can not find any past memory because they never looked into the future and if they did they would find nothing because they have no previous lifetime

anything else you want to know

jim

First, the above post was recorded being posted at 08:08 GMT... :)

Second, I want to remark that Reptilians have a very fix "think" and are unable to create anything; always the same with no-change as is their fixed hierarchical caste system, ceremonies, rituals, pomp as is their whole society: no-change allowed expected or anticipated...

Therefore, one only needed to "think" outside of the box to thwart such a society...

... hence "thinking in futures" and "thinking big" did it!

... because such a "think" wasn't included in Lao Tsu's "Art of War".... posting oneself into the future and waiting for the enemy to arrive in the middle of the set up battlefield... ouch!

Finally, I too have been had with that one:


Natural clears... that don't create picture memory system ... and if processed they would never look into the future because the think would be to look into the past to find what is happening to the person and fix itIf there ever was a thinking outside of the box... that one takes the cake!

eaglespirit
15th May 2013, 19:11
I agree with Fred's comments about the birth of tyranny. We should not seek to destroy our enemies. The greatest good should not involve killing or destruction, but rehabilitation. If we are as powerful as you claim, jim, then we should be capable of that at any and all levels.

The generalizations are also bothering me somewhat... I don't know if it intentional or not, but surely not all Reptilians are negative entities. It seems to me to be tantamount to looking at the actions of the cabal or illuminati, and equating all humans with this sort of behavior.

I desire to see salvation for all entities, even those who have been 'the worst of the worst'. That is the only 'greatest good' that I can accept as such.

Hello Fred and Freed and Thunder and Padme....wishing you all well!

I am not speaking for Jim as all of you understand.

I have been saying for quite some time now that if they keep it up they are going to hurt themselves themselves...with everything they are putting out at us...that massive mirror is being turned on them. I feel it is already taking place in an intense uptick now. Spirit(our spirits) can shine that mirror upon their energy they put out if we simply see it happening once and for all, really see it happening...the massive backfiring can simply be more firmly focused by each of our 'deciding' it to happen and finally turning the tide on all of this.

Freed Fox
15th May 2013, 19:36
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Again with generalizations... I mean no disrespect Amzer-Zo, but how can you possibly know that about the Reptilians? You've encountered them directly? You've met so many of their kind that you are able to make sweeping statements of what they are and are not capable of as a species? If you are referring to some body of written work, there are several who write of many different types/species of Reptilians all with different qualities. There are also those who have described them as highly empathic and kind. There is no reason to believe one account over another. Particularly when you believe in psy-ops... There are so many villainous depictions of those entities. What excludes the possibility that they are actually benevolent and all of this heresay is an attempt by the cabal to instill fear and paranoia regarding this race, to condition us to distrust them if and when they actually make contact?

Hervé
15th May 2013, 19:44
Well...let's change their minds then...let's get on with it...each one of us that chooses to!

[...]

Well, ya'll welcome to become "auditors":



[...]

In terms of psychopaths, I have addressed the problem in numerous posts: to get rid of them without rehabilitation -- whether jailed for life or executed -- only postpones the problem to the next generation as they, too, come back with a vengeance... since mind-control, brainwashing or implanting all along the past eons have failed to handle the problems and threats they always pose, generations after generations.

LRH taking a look at those psychos could still see their "soul" -- metaphorically expressed -- as a shrinking, barely glowing piece of cinder. The problem he saw in rehabilitating them -- the tech exists -- is: who would want to spend time in their company to do that?



"Soul-less" vs. "ensouled" are dangerous grounds/waters to thread on/in... since "soul-less" has always been the justification for enslaving conquered ethnic groups or cultures because they were "barbarians" or christians or infidels or pagans or goyims or blacks or yellows or reds or blues...

It's also what has been used to justify the killing of "enemies" and absolve soldiers from the conscientious angst of murdering their fellow men under the "It's all right, they are animals, they don't have a soul" psyop (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54217-Their-Mind-and-the-Emotional-Matrix-that-we-create-with-it.&p=652209&viewfull=1#post652209) revived by the father of psychiatry, W. Wundt, to get men to go to war...

Now... what kind of new targets is this old psyop being aimed at this time? The new PLF sheeples? MKultra alters? Overwhelmed souls that became "organic portals"? The ones left holding the bag when entities have done their deeds as Steve Richards puts it? Etc.




[...]

Fair enough Amzer Zo, but what if that courtesy has already been extended to any number of us at some point along the way?

The thing is that, AFAIK, it has never been done before. The usual handling having always been more brainwashings/implantings/memory erasures/etc... as seen with current "treatment" still using ECTs and chemical lobotomies.



[...]

[...]

Fred,

It seems that what I wrote is being misunderstood: LRH and others did it with the processes he developed.

However, that takes some guts to do because, as an auditor, one has to sit there listening to and watching a psycho grinning, laughing and taking pleasure at recounting the kind of gory stories and graphic pictures posted all along this thread [Horus-Ra], without breaking the "Auditor's Code," that would allow the psycho to come out of it.



[...]

I really want to understand this but I read the post 4 or 5 times, and remained confused... thus my request for clarification.

Thanks! Chester

All right, let me rephrase: when one follows the Auditor's Code, the psycho gets out of the incident s/he stuck in. The difficulty is for the auditor to go through "listening to and watching a psycho grinning, laughing and taking pleasure at recounting the kind of gory stories and graphic pictures posted all along this thread" without breaking the "Auditor's Code." Just the thought of wanting to throw the book at the individual is enough to break that "Auditor's code."

Now, re-read my comment and see if it really was wrongly phrased as in having to sit there without breaking the "Auditor's Code" to allow the psycho to come out of it?

That's the kind of guy LRH was: being able to audit a psycho to end phenomena having in view the simple arithmetic of "one less psycho doing harm on planet Earth."

Hervé
15th May 2013, 19:51
The "caveat" of changing "their mind" in one fell swoop is that "they" are not taking any responsibility (free will) for it... it is done for them and that has never, ever worked and never, ever will (see Alex Collier and "mentoring" vs. overtaking).

"They" have to "cognite"/realize, all by their lonesome selves, on having been "wrong" etc... for a genuine, sincere change to take place.

Hence the need for auditors...

Hervé
15th May 2013, 20:03
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Again with generalizations... I mean no disrespect Amzer-Zo, but how can you possibly know that about the Reptilians?

[...]

If not, then they are "renegades" and been dumped on a "prison planet' like Earth or sought refuge on one of them (see Alex Collier). However, and however "renegade" they may be and for whatever reason they "renegaded", they still carry that same respect for rituals and caste systems and hierarchy, etc... e.g. the "Greys" and "Mantids" etc... (see Simon Parks)

Sidney
15th May 2013, 21:07
Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]

In terms of psychopaths, I have addressed the problem in numerous posts: to get rid of them without rehabilitation -- whether jailed for life or executed -- only postpones the problem to the next generation as they, too, come back with a vengeance... since mind-control, brainwashing or implanting all along the past eons have failed to handle the problems and threats they always pose, generations after generations.

LRH taking a look at those psychos could still see their "soul" -- metaphorically expressed -- as a shrinking, barely glowing piece of cinder. The problem he saw in rehabilitating them -- the tech exists -- is: who would want to spend time in their company to do that?


__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _________________________________
Has it been discussed whether or not ALL sociopaths/psychopaths could be reptilian, either crossbred or step-in/stand-ins/walk-ins ?, if so can they just come, take over someone and go, in and out to serve their purpose? If so, how to directly deal with one when in direct contact with them?.

thunder24
15th May 2013, 22:01
The "caveat" .......

i knew it was to good to b true

Sidney
15th May 2013, 22:16
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Again with generalizations... I mean no disrespect Amzer-Zo, but how can you possibly know that about the Reptilians? You've encountered them directly? You've met so many of their kind that you are able to make sweeping statements of what they are and are not capable of as a species? If you are referring to some body of written work, there are several who write of many different types/species of Reptilians all with different qualities. There are also those who have described them as highly empathic and kind. There is no reason to believe one account over another. Particularly when you believe in psy-ops... There are so many villainous depictions of those entities. What excludes the possibility that they are actually benevolent and all of this heresay is an attempt by the cabal to instill fear and paranoia regarding this race, to condition us to distrust them if and when they actually make contact?

You are right, I have read that there is more than one sub-species of reps. Like anything else, good ones and bad ones. Obviously its the bad ones doing the bad "thinks". (things)

Padmé
15th May 2013, 22:22
Well...let's change their minds then...let's get on with it...each one of us that chooses to!

[...]

Well, ya'll welcome to become "auditors":



No thank you... but thats kind of you to offer though :)
... but does this then mean that we cant use our minds to change theirs, unless we are auditors? :(

Padmé
15th May 2013, 22:31
Quick, how much was it again for all the books? :O and do you have a personal account I can send the money to today?

Hervé
15th May 2013, 22:48
You are missing the point since you knee-jerk react as this to be from the "orthodox" C of $.

There are other avenues than that orthodox C of $ and far less expensive, but you would have to somehow gain control over you jerking knees. :)

Padmé
15th May 2013, 22:52
You are missing the point since you knee-jerk react as this to be from the "othodox" C of $.

There are other avenues than that orthodox C of $ and far less expensive, but you would have to somehow gain control over you jerking knees. :)

Ouch... touch a nerve? :)

enfoldedblue
15th May 2013, 22:57
Quick, how much was it again for all the books? :O and do you have a personal account I can send the money to today?

Ha ha ha this made me laugh! ...carry on.... :)

Tangri
15th May 2013, 23:12
LRH created a chart called a tone scale ...it basically shows all the different emotional tones we are in ... but it does much more than that .. it shows how much negative charge that is restimulated inside us as compared to how much positive life force energy .. or pure thought ... we use the word theta .that is inside his beingness .... theta .. someone who is pure theta you might say is a very very clear loving person ... entheta is the opposite .. someone in an argument with you is sending you his entheta .. enturbulated thought.
the scale goes something like this
40 at the top is serenity of beingness
30 at the top is postulates ... a person postulates or decides for something to happen like 'make it rain" and it happens if your postulates work your thoughts work same thing
22 games ... these are not low level games .. it would be a game like managing all the communication on the planet through satellites and etc
21 fighting ... actually fighting is high on the tone scale ... a kind of bruce lee complete control of everything and winning
20 action ... same like maybe a football game
8 exhileration
4 enthusiasm
3.5 conservatism
3.5 interest
3.0 conservatism
2.5 boredom
2.t antagonism
1.8 pain
1.5 anger
1.2 no sympathy
1.1 covert hostility
1.0 fear
0.9 sympathy
0.8 propitiation
0.6 grief
0.375 making amends
0.06 apathy
0.0 death
then there is minus tone levels
like
pity
shame
blame
regret
controling bodies
protecting bodies
owning bodies
approval from bodies
needing bodies
worshiping bodies
and more

by looking at this chart you will be able to get into communication with someone at any tone level .. a person in grief will not communicate to a person in enthusiasm ... but will communicate to a person near his tone level. so to get in communication with a person in fear you would have to go up a little into covert hostility or down a little into sympathy



jim


That reason Why I am not surprised with lack of emphaty in that list.

My hand feed Beta fishes refuse to eat from my hand again.

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Christine
16th May 2013, 00:48
I agree with Fred's comments about the birth of tyranny. We should not seek to destroy our enemies. The greatest good should not involve killing or destruction, but rehabilitation. If we are as powerful as you claim, jim, then we should be capable of that at any and all levels.

The generalizations are also bothering me somewhat... I don't know if it intentional or not, but surely not all Reptilians are negative entities. It seems to me to be tantamount to looking at the actions of the cabal or illuminati, and equating all humans with this sort of behavior.

I desire to see salvation for all entities, even those who have been 'the worst of the worst'. That is the only 'greatest good' that I can accept as such.

Hi Freed Fox,

Good to see your posts again. I have been musing for days on whether to post my own experiential data or not. Once I read your (and others) posts I realized that it may be valuable. I make no claims and yet my experiences remain vivid and instrumental in my understanding of how we influence and change our shared reality.

I have seen in telepathic sessions (facilitated by a highly trained free zone auditor) that there are many different races with an interest in this planet, not just the reptilians, who I have come to believe are a manipulated race themselves.

Here I will introduce my contact with the mantis beings… I haven’t followed Simon Parks thread that closely so I don’t know if this fits with his data. The mantis beings appear to me to be the master technocrats, they communicate in clicks and seem closely aligned with how computers work, I tend to see them as the programmers. I first became aware of their presence when I began to pick up their clicking sounds, they appear to operate in hyperspace and are working with or manipulating the reptilians to control the populace. They seemed devoid of consciousness as we understand it.

The experience in sessions with the reptilians has me believing that they seek new consciousness, they are aware they are somewhat stunted in their present body form. While they will feed off of any high emotion, fear being primary they will absorb other emotions such as love and admiration. This appeared to excite them as they sensed a new potentiality. It seems they have been caught in rituals that have grown tired.

In one session I found myself on a ship off planet with five commanders, they all were able to perceive my presence and we entered into a consciousness rising communication, at that time they appeared to understand that destroying the earth was not in their interest. I felt they stepped into a different timeline and were aware that options and free will exist.

I am not a follower or "believer" of the LRH material (I have very little exposure) but I have used what is known as the tech with some pretty startling results. For the moment I am content to continue to explore what appears to be life changing and empowering.

All beings have free will so are able to experience freedom. It is very difficult for me to think in strict terms of good and bad... we are all shades. I don't deny evil either which for my understanding is the absence of Light. When we shine the Light on a subject we illuminate it and when we comprehend and bring that comprehension to the subject we are agents of change. Even pure evil will ultimately succumb to the Light.

This thread remains exciting if it brings us closer to our real power, this I believe we need to claim with all our might. It is inherent in us. Remembering who we are.

Christine

thunder24
16th May 2013, 01:41
Hi Freed Fox,




The experience in sessions with the reptilians has me believing that they seek new consciousness, they are aware they are somewhat stunted in their present body form. While they will feed off of any high emotion, fear being primary they will absorb other emotions such as love and admiration. This appeared to excite them as they sensed a new potentiality. It seems they have been caught in rituals that have grown tired.


This thread remains exciting if it brings us closer to our real power, this I believe we need to claim with all our might. It is inherent in us. Remembering who we are.

Christine

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jiminii
16th May 2013, 05:38
I agree with Fred's comments about the birth of tyranny. We should not seek to destroy our enemies. The greatest good should not involve killing or destruction, but rehabilitation. If we are as powerful as you claim, jim, then we should be capable of that at any and all levels.

The generalizations are also bothering me somewhat... I don't know if it intentional or not, but surely not all Reptilians are negative entities. It seems to me to be tantamount to looking at the actions of the cabal or illuminati, and equating all humans with this sort of behavior.

I desire to see salvation for all entities, even those who have been 'the worst of the worst'. That is the only 'greatest good' that I can accept as such.

we are not talking about destroying our enemies here ... we have been implanted and taken from our home universe so with all this we've been set to NOT LOOK, DON'T SAY ANYTHING, AND DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT ... so i think in solutions ,.,. others think in problems .. try to solve the problem and they will think ways to keep the problem here ... I did not see anyone come up with a solution .... WHY ... "because you can't confront that much evil" .. this is the story of the universe of NON CONFRONT ... that what you can confront you can handle. so just look at the viewpoint ... how many BIG beings do you think will be working at monsanto? and those that work at monsanto??? they must have at least some very sadistic think to even be there ... beings go where they KNOW ... what they KNOW is what they were last doing in the stars .. USA is a mirror of the stars ... so politicians go there because they somehow know they can survive there ... others go do the technical and etc ... if 7 our of 10 are minions working for monsanto because they are no greater than the trees or plants ... means they are exactly the same as a robot .. A GE (genetic entity) is a creation by a spirit to animate matter ... it is programmed some personality like lion horse etc ... but it is still a creation like a PC computer ... so making a computer sick isn't going to do very much damage .. so we got 30 percent perverts, degraded beings .. criminals ,,, sadist,,, sadistic doctors doing experiments to control people .. psychiatrist that was set up by the international bankers to get rid of their political enemies ... and any others they want to use to experiment on with their 300 or more mind control drugs ... so then the military and where is the BIG beings ... they are out here looking for enlightenment ... how many out of 30 percent left of this population that do have spirit beings do you think are working on the spiritual trying to get their powers back 10 percent? and how many of these are gods that can cause things to happen in the physical universe ? can any of you think of another solution and least show me you can do it ... make solutions ....
there is the tone sympathy
now an example of this tone is this ... there is a man in the quick sand pit up to his neck ... so someone who is in sympathy comes along and says, "well I don't know how we can solve your problem so I will jump in with you and we will go down together."
then there is NO SYMPATHY ... he comes along and throws the man both ends of the rope and says, "ok let's see you get out"
then there is high tone sympathy and he says, "hey I will throw you the rope and pull you out.'
now the man in the quick sand who is low tone says, "no I can do it myself."
so the high tone person says, "ok I will tie the rope here and you can pull yourself out.
the man in the quick sand pit says, "no I can do it myself."
so the high tone person says, "i tied the rope to the tree and threw it across you so if you want to get out you can but I got to go see you later."
you don't waste your time helping people who don't want it while we got such a mess on our hands.
so you say change their minds .... ???? how do you change robots minds ???? and sadists and perverts ???? so give them some of the same sickness they are giving others ...
do you know the psychiatrists will not do electric shocks on themselves or give them selves mind control drugs ... they would think it crazy but they would give you electric shock or drugs ..

let's look at the kids who shot up the school in colorado .. they were given drugs by psychiatrist that were dangerous and the scientologist went in and investigated it and presented it to the state ... the state ordered all psychiatrist out of the schools in colorado and after this 20 more states ordered them out of their schools too this is DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT .. of course Scientology has been taken over by the illuminati now .. for money only and to try to destroy the tech .. and make it unworkable ...
they traced it from the psychiatrist to the drug companies who were paying the psychiatrist to get the kids drugs

but people will listen to those who will do them in and not look at the real truth ...

so what have the enemies been doing to us ... I was in the sea org 3 times and these enemies are dropping viruses over the org and getting everyone sick .. viruses that if we go to a doctor to find out what we got they have no idea what it is ... of course we only go to the doctor to find out what is wrong and then find a natural cure for it ... we never use their drugs

their was a virus at FSO flag service org just put everyone in bed ... for weeks ... and I didn't go to bed and it worked out of me in 3 or 4 days ... they found the only solution was to put everyone back to work and they would have to work this virus out of us in about 3 or 4 days ...

the aliens ???? have some kind of electronic tech for sending frequencies into the mind ... in australia ... this pain didn't go to the body .. it went to me the soul and it was so painful and tried to put me in grief ... then i wrote something up about it because I thought it was coming from the OT's Operating thetans there ,., and suddenly it was gone ,,, they must of handled it ,.. so changing their minds .... ???? when they get their pay there and they are robots who will follow anyone??? but if you just decided to make them sick everytime they went into the company they wouldn't want to go there ,. they would think there is something there that will kill them ,,, life is a game ... and if you keep it a game you can win ,,, but get serious and reasonable and let all these people keep poisoning us ... is NOT OK ... we have a right to defend ourselves ... so I came up with a solution .. can anyone else come up with another solution that WORKS?????

jim

jiminii
16th May 2013, 06:22
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Again with generalizations... I mean no disrespect Amzer-Zo, but how can you possibly know that about the Reptilians? You've encountered them directly? You've met so many of their kind that you are able to make sweeping statements of what they are and are not capable of as a species? If you are referring to some body of written work, there are several who write of many different types/species of Reptilians all with different qualities. There are also those who have described them as highly empathic and kind. There is no reason to believe one account over another. Particularly when you believe in psy-ops... There are so many villainous depictions of those entities. What excludes the possibility that they are actually benevolent and all of this heresay is an attempt by the cabal to instill fear and paranoia regarding this race, to condition us to distrust them if and when they actually make contact?

LRH describes them perfectly in his science fiction novel ... battlefield earth

jim

jiminii
16th May 2013, 07:11
I agree with Fred's comments about the birth of tyranny. We should not seek to destroy our enemies. The greatest good should not involve killing or destruction, but rehabilitation. If we are as powerful as you claim, jim, then we should be capable of that at any and all levels.

The generalizations are also bothering me somewhat... I don't know if it intentional or not, but surely not all Reptilians are negative entities. It seems to me to be tantamount to looking at the actions of the cabal or illuminati, and equating all humans with this sort of behavior.

I desire to see salvation for all entities, even those who have been 'the worst of the worst'. That is the only 'greatest good' that I can accept as such.

Hi Freed Fox,

Good to see your posts again. I have been musing for days on whether to post my own experiential data or not. Once I read your (and others) posts I realized that it may be valuable. I make no claims and yet my experiences remain vivid and instrumental in my understanding of how we influence and change our shared reality.

I have seen in telepathic sessions (facilitated by a highly trained free zone auditor) that there are many different races with an interest in this planet, not just the reptilians, who I have come to believe are a manipulated race themselves.

Here I will introduce my contact with the mantis beings… I haven’t followed Simon Parks thread that closely so I don’t know if this fits with his data. The mantis beings appear to me to be the master technocrats, they communicate in clicks and seem closely aligned with how computers work, I tend to see them as the programmers. I first became aware of their presence when I began to pick up their clicking sounds, they appear to operate in hyperspace and are working with or manipulating the reptilians to control the populace. They seemed devoid of consciousness as we understand it.

The experience in sessions with the reptilians has me believing that they seek new consciousness, they are aware they are somewhat stunted in their present body form. While they will feed off of any high emotion, fear being primary they will absorb other emotions such as love and admiration. This appeared to excite them as they sensed a new potentiality. It seems they have been caught in rituals that have grown tired.

In one session I found myself on a ship off planet with five commanders, they all were able to perceive my presence and we entered into a consciousness rising communication, at that time they appeared to understand that destroying the earth was not in their interest. I felt they stepped into a different timeline and were aware that options and free will exist.

I am not a follower or "believer" of the LRH material (I have very little exposure) but I have used what is known as the tech with some pretty startling results. For the moment I am content to continue to explore what appears to be life changing and empowering.

All beings have free will so are able to experience freedom. It is very difficult for me to think in strict terms of good and bad... we are all shades. I don't deny evil either which for my understanding is the absence of Light. When we shine the Light on a subject we illuminate it and when we comprehend and bring that comprehension to the subject we are agents of change. Even pure evil will ultimately succumb to the Light.

This thread remains exciting if it brings us closer to our real power, this I believe we need to claim with all our might. It is inherent in us. Remembering who we are.

Christine

now if you can only have those commands run on you to locate all your other timelines or viewpoints out there .... we would have a much bigger field to operate from .... they never put this process in any of the scientology processing lineup ,,, if trey is a class 12 auditor ,,, he would know ,, but he didn't know he had to run these commands from the tapes for the first time on me. so he felt awkward since he's never done it before ... but I think I know why LRH never put it in the lineup .., he didn't want us to use it until the reptilians were defeated ... and they have been defeated ... other wise others could have found out what we were doing from the future.

I know they are defeated because they are not in the future track .. try to look into the future after 2050 ,.. and you won't see this physical universe anymore ,.. after we go into 4th dimension ,,, we will be losing more and more the sense of time .. and time will be almost non existent the way we know it

this should all happen in this year sometime and into the next year

jim

Hervé
16th May 2013, 10:33
Very interesting...

I posted this somewhere in answer to a comment on a blog:


One question that jumps out is, “How is [it] that LRH had time to write 11 novels, but no time to fulfill his promise – and it does appear to have been a promise – of “a very large number”/”perhaps 15 levels” ?

And where are the notes?

Well, I am gonna stick my neck out of behind the couch on the ready to dodge flying pizzas and bottles… but these are best of questions in that they contain their own answer… provided and given, of course, that one has re-educated and/or regained one’s ability to see and hear with one’s thetan eyes and ears…

See, those books are choke-full of applied tech…

Has one yet tried to echo-locate oneself like a bat and make the distinction between one moving in a fixed environment vs. a fixed environment moving with respect to oneself? Never mind echo locating oneself with respect to something else moving within either case… which OT level is that drill at?

This goes together with this oft misinterpreted quote:

“Competence is above case gain.”

How does one achieve competence?

Practice, practice, practice; drill, drill, drill…

Where does one find those drills to practice; once “above case gain,” that is, in a “native state”?

Well, me think they all are in books and lectures of the 50s and post 80s… making good on the promise of being free from the $cientology organization.

Reading LRH materials, I have grown up envisioning him as being a cross between a sea-wolf, a desert-fox and a weasel… how to hide the X on the map where the treasure is buried?

Well… as always… right in your face :)

jiminii
16th May 2013, 11:38
Very interesting...

I posted this somewhere in answer to a comment on a blog:


One question that jumps out is, “How is [it] that LRH had time to write 11 novels, but no time to fulfill his promise – and it does appear to have been a promise – of “a very large number”/”perhaps 15 levels” ?

And where are the notes?

Well, I am gonna stick my neck out of behind the couch on the ready to dodge flying pizzas and bottles… but these are best of questions in that they contain their own answer… provided and given, of course, that one has re-educated and/or regained one’s ability to see and hear with one’s thetan eyes and ears…

See, those books are choke-full of applied tech…

Has one yet tried to echo-locate oneself like a bat and make the distinction between one moving in a fixed environment vs. a fixed environment moving with respect to oneself? Never mind echo locating oneself with respect to something else moving within either case… which OT level is that drill at?

This goes together with this oft misinterpreted quote:

“Competence is above case gain.”

How does one achieve competence?

Practice, practice, practice; drill, drill, drill…

Where does one find those drills to practice; once “above case gain,” that is, in a “native state”?

Well, me think they all are in books and lectures of the 50s and post 80s… making good on the promise of being free from the $cientology organization.

Reading LRH materials, I have grown up envisioning him as being a cross between a sea-wolf, a desert-fox and a weasel… how to hide the X on the map where the treasure is buried?

Well… as always… right in your face :)

he is fulfilling his promise ... so far if all the recent data is true all the reptilian undersea bases have been destroyed and all reptilians have been sent through a portal to a place where they will never find here again and the leaders are facing crimes against humanity ... the only thing left is the cabal and the hybrids ... so the cabal has no one to back them anymore .but now all these other societies are trying to get into the game called earth ... now get this ... this planet is being setup with new spirit beings that don't have a past memory or a memory recording system ... WHY ??? so we don't keep creating the same mess again and again using that mind we created ...

in the stars we were all up there creating planets and sun's and moons and life forms ... then we could make our little wars between each other on these planets and it was like these planets were our toys ... so killing GE's is like killing toys ... but after they start using these planets to trap other spirits in it ... it is no longer a fun game ... so we are here and we are very serious and we don't even know who has spirits and who doesn't ... so all the affection we are getting could be from just a bunch of dolls ... but we don't look at them as dolls anymore .. we look at them as real life beings ... we designed them so much like real life that we don't even know we created it ... and so there must have been a god that did it .... we are that lost ....
we are not even up there enough to know we could have 1st choice if we could get rid of all this amnesia ... and the reptilians knew that ... so they had to stop us from wakening up..
LRH saw that the only way we could complete was to go back up to the galactic government and stop these reptilians from doing all this illegal stuff ... well when he got back his body was dead ... and the illuminati owned the game ... so he went up there and had this area to be protected from all alien forces ... a non interference area by all aliens ... then this system has to be redesigned so that they can audit us again ... means we have to be able to audit all the timelines in every spirit ... this is going to take a few hundred years ... so they are trying to set it up so we will have different kinds of bodies that don't need food and won't die that can let us be here in one dimension not split between two dimensions so we can audit all the different timelines so they can remove all this pain and misemotion so we can get everyone up to a totally clean new spirit being ready to start a new adventure ... but this time knowing with experience and wisdom so he can expand to infinity again if he likes ... we just have to wait until they've set up the planet ... just confront all the chem trails and other stuff until those entities are finally handled ... and then the galactic team can come down and start our rehabilitation and expansion

jim

eaglespirit
16th May 2013, 12:49
There's something happening here, what it is is exactly clear,,, : )

Good morning...wishing you all well!

Every time I am about to travel on in the last half decade or so...the last week before moving on something(s) very wonderful takes place in my life, well, rather unexpectedly...and that is just the way it needs to be for me and my forward moving energy or I would probably just say 'will ya just let me go home now because I already know it will all work out' if I knew to much ahead of time here.

I'm just an ol' carpenter from MA that smokes his tobacco pipe too much...Jim's just an ol' cowboy from Utah...You're just an ol' school teacher from Wichita...She's just a young student from Ohio...He's just a sculptor from New Mexico...Ya get it, ya, you get it. We're on a spirit course together with the most beautiful earthly transformations imaginable...and we're now firmly in the driver's seats.

Ths place called Avalon has and has had some of the most altruistic people on this planet, imho, become a part of what we're a part of. All Bill and Kerry wanted to do is get the fullest truth out and help us help each other change it all for the better of all...that's just too darn pure and honest and 'altruistic' for the regular rhythms out there in controlled la la land...bumps and scrapes and all and this is still truckin' along. It has been subtly and not so subtly infiltrated...and still is...there are people around that don't even fully know their intentions here are muffled by some not so nice things, some are here on purpose and some are just here because they're here...and that's ok.
It is all getting cleaned up now as never before, methinks.

Yes, we each are powerful spiritual beings...and if too many of us knew too much of that too soon, well, we wouldn't be here right now.

I have many cultures running through my veins as do many of you...I have been shown and have touched some of the most wonderful aspects of these cultures in the last number of years... I had to get "right in the mix' of them for some very good reasons. I have experienced and have been shown things beyond any prior belief of mine that it could happen here on earth. We are being touched by and helped by a focused filament of light and energy that is so high and so powerful and so spiritually strong that it can only come in trickles to help us help ourselves now.
It is here with us, powerfully...all we have to do is live 'actively' in humility and empathy and spirit power at the same time and bring these ever so long awaited higher changes into bountiful life.

I don't even like to use the word scientology here because it has been so blatantly pulverized into oblivion.
Its origination and sole purpose was meant to help humanity...well, the heart of that pure origination is here to help humanity.
Let's see what we can do to help help humanity....because...
We are being touched by and helped by a focused filament of light and energy that is so high and so powerful and so spiritually strong that it can only come in trickles to help us help ourselves now.

Thank You Jim and All...
Love You All!

Rex
16th May 2013, 15:15
I'd like to read the DIANETICS book but am wondering if there are any differences between printings. Does anyone know?

Padmé
16th May 2013, 16:55
this is the story of Metteyya told by one of his viewpoints jim

Was just wondering... and obviously I respect your decision mods of Avalon... but if this is the case, then shouldn't this thread be in the channelled information category?