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mh842
19th May 2013, 00:28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm9MT0jUsNw

I have been listing to it and i put some good stock in what is being said. I check out some of the articles as well and verified them.


this is my first thread post so i hope it works.

mh842
19th May 2013, 01:08
Here is what is instore for Canada. ist about 1 hr 22m in.



Read budget 2013( economic action plan) page 155 http://www.budget.gc.ca/2013/doc/plan/budget2013-eng.pdf


then read this article http://business.financialpost.com/2013/04/02/ottawas-bank-bail-in-plan-targets-certain-liabilities/


The bank can be recapitalized and returned to viability through the very rapid conversion of certain bank liabilities into regulatory capital,” the budget said.
It was the vague phrase “certain … liabilities” that raised eyebrows.
What did it mean, investors wondered. Bank deposits are liabilities and we all know what happened to deposit holders in Cyprus — their savings are about to become part of one of the world’s most controversial bank rescues.
“The Canadian government is actually proposing that what just happened in Cyprus should be used as a blueprint for future bank failures up in Canada”

Dennis Leahy
19th May 2013, 02:03
"Go and get a pencil and paper..."

1.5 hrs!

Can someone list the highlights?

Dennis

gripreaper
19th May 2013, 02:33
"Go and get a pencil and paper..." Dennis

What? You can't find a pencil? LOL:p

Is it by the providence of god that you cannot find a pencil?

Mulder
19th May 2013, 02:34
I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but this seems to be another "level of the lie." We're just acting like "Chicken little," screaming the sky is falling in the "hope" one day it will. We feel superior and "in the know" buying gold and silver over the past few years and the illuminati have crashed the price of these commodities in April & May 2013.

I feel people need to "wake up" from being aware and seeing there will probably never be a collapse like all the "fear porn" authors say. What will happen is life will slowly get worse, and our rights will be taken, but nothing radical that could cause a revolution will happen until we are disarmed and have a micro-chip in your arms for money...

Operator
19th May 2013, 02:40
"Go and get a pencil and paper..."

Sounds like Lindsey alright ... :rolleyes:

spiritguide
19th May 2013, 02:58
Would like to see Lindsey Williams and Gordon Duff discussing the Economy. What is the difference between big oil, big money and intelligencia. Just wondering.

gripreaper
19th May 2013, 05:52
Lindsay Williams, who got info from his insider elite, by the providence of god who put him in their lives, he sites two pieces which the elite TOLD US what they are going to do, which is their code of ethics to do so prior to commencing their agenda.

The first is written by David Stockman in a NYT piece on April 2nd, 2013 and I quote:

In an essay published yesterday in the New York Times (NYT), Stockman wrote that the Fed’s quantitative easing policies following the credit crisis have flooded stock markets with cash even while the “Main Street economy” remains weak. The combination, he wrote, is “unsustainable.”

“When it bursts, there will be no new round of bailouts like the ones the banks got in 2008,”

“Instead, America will descend into an era of zero-sum austerity and virulent political conflict, extinguishing even today’s feeble remnants of economic growth.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-31/stockman-warns-of-crash-of-fed-fueled-bubble-economy.html

The second is Joe Biden’s speech to the Import/Export Bank Conference on April 5th 2013 where Joe Biden made four “buzz word” phrases, which are:

1. Called for the creation of a New World Order.
2. Called for the creation of new financial institutions.
3. Called for the creation of updated global rules
4. Called for the creation of a level playing field globally.

The elite are very concerned by the number of people who are waking up. America is the Nation who still has the possibility of turning things around. After Sandy Hook, when OBummer said he was going to do everything in his power to take our guns away, the backlash from the American people was so strong that the elite are concerned they have a wildcard on their hands. In 2014 when the Health Care Bill kicks in, Americans are going to reject its mandates, yet the backlash will be more violent than the Second Amendment infringement. Lindsay does see hope that the Yankee spirit will rise up to the occasion.

As a result, the elite are moving slowly to put every person, every nation, everybody into such deep debt, that they will scream for the solution. It will take about a year to a year and a half while the elite plan when the debt is sufficient enough to order the collapse.

In Cyprus, the banks collapsed and the chaplain’s elite told him that Cypress was the money laundering center for the super rich around the world who were laundering money through Cyprus and are not part of the elite. The elite had to wipe out their money. Ten billion in super rich money was lost. Similar events are planned for other countries as Cyprus, such as New Zealand, Japan and Australia, etc. In America, the elite are discussing going into the retirement funds, federal, state, corporate and taking it.

You must get out of paper and into tangibles, like a paid off house, precious metals, even a garden in your backyard. If you cannot afford to lose it, then you need to get out. The elite have bought a ton of gold and are out of paper. The elite took gold and silver down to try and scare the average people out of their stash, but when they took the price down, it backfired on them. It increased sales exponentially. Gold and silver is at the bottom now, and the elite bought everything they could get their hands on. They also took commodities down.

There will be no pencils and paper for Dennis under the austerity measures which are being planned, and Dennis will not be able to take copious notes and order Lindsay William’s brand new DVD series which fully details the scope of the elite’s plans, information which has never been revealed before, information that was just recorded this week. It’s your own fault if you don’t act on this information and protect your family.

In the 38 years that the elite have been giving Lindsey information, nothing has not happened exactly as they said it would happen (lends credibility).

Team Zen
19th May 2013, 09:05
Wow gripreaper what an amazing summarizer you are! I too listened to the show, and I could never have recounted the main points as thoroughly as you. I did get that pencil and paper, and I did write down April 2, 2013- but that was the wrong date for the article Lindsey to which was referring. It was actually published in the NYT on March 31, 2013. No matter, I still found it:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/31/opinion/sunday/sundown-in-america.html

A question though: According to House Joint Resolution 192, now codefied at 31 USC Section 5118(d)(2):

"...31 USC Section 5118(d)(2) provided for many years that a requirement of repayment of debt in a particular kind of coin or
currency could be made by legal tender. As of October 27, 1977, legal tender for discharge of debt is no longer required. That is because legal tender is not in circulation at par with the promise to pay credit. Negotiable Instruments via Guaranty Trust of New York v. Henwood, et al 59 S CT 847
(1933), 307 U.S. 847 (1939), FN3 NOS 384, 485 holds that 31 U.S.C. was enacted to remedy the specific evil of tying debt to any particular currency
or requiring payment in a greater number of dollars than promised. Since October 27, 1977, there can be no requirement of repayment in legal tender
either.. since legal tender was not loaned and repayment need only be in equivalent kind: A negotiable instrument representing credit, i.e. an
International Bill of exchange ” Or as otherwise stated; NO ONE TODAY CAN MAKE DEMAND IN PAYMENT IN ANY SPECIFIC COIN OR CURRENCY!"

Source: http://constitutionalgov.us/pipermail/generalcongress_constitutionalgov.us/2010-May/001698.html (http://constitutionalgov.us/pipermail/generalcongress_constitutionalgov.us/2010May/001698.html)

According to this, we don't have to use currency to pay back credit. Nor should we be paying interest. So do we just pay back credit with credit? Is it just a game of making sure the numbers listed in our computer generated account are enough to cover the numbers in another computer generated account? When we write that monthly check to pay back that installment on the mortgage or student loan, no real "money" is ever being exchanged- it's just numbers being transferred from one computer to another...

Furthermore, until TPTB manage to revamp and equalize the world's economy playing field and void the US constitution (among other countries' constitutions), how can we genuinely be crippled by debt (not just tricked into believing its so)if we have this resolution? How can we lose our "money" if we invested in things that don't even exist (e.g. stocks, bonds- numbers on paper or in a computer, not tangible like gold, property, etc.) in the tangible world? How can people become so caught up in this weird realm of economic fiction? (These are sort of rhetorical questions, of course propaganda and the likes play a huge role.) Humanity's quality of life is dictated by a huge work of fiction that has infiltrated most people's reality. What a trip, what a travesty. Boggles my mind, this does!

Conchis
19th May 2013, 09:20
Once upon a time our daily job was to go out into the world and bring home food. That was it...that was the whole job. Then someone got the bright idea that they could just make arrowheads and someone else who needed arrowheads to bring home food with could trade a little food for arrowheads. Then the guy with food decided that he could give the guy who made arrowheads some beads which represented future food in exchange for arrowheads today. Then the guy who made arrowheads started trading the beads which represented future food ... it just gets further and further removed from going out and getting food, which is still our only job. It's no wonder that "reality" is such a difficult thing to deal with, when the reality that we live in is so removed from reality at all.

Mike Gorman
19th May 2013, 16:56
I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but this seems to be another "level of the lie." We're just acting like "Chicken little," screaming the sky is falling in the "hope" one day it will. We feel superior and "in the know" buying gold and silver over the past few years and the illuminati have crashed the price of these commodities in April & May 2013.

I feel people need to "wake up" from being aware and seeing there will probably never be a collapse like all the "fear porn" authors say. What will happen is life will slowly get worse, and our rights will be taken, but nothing radical that could cause a revolution will happen until we are disarmed and have a micro-chip in your arms for money...
There is wisdom in your words here..it is in small degrees of change, drip, by drip each liberty will be contained, for eminently good reasons of course, we won't notice the decline in food quality
services will become less serviceable-yep i tend to agree with you we will wake up and it is a different world again-the sound of Jack boots can take on different guises.

gripreaper
19th May 2013, 17:04
According to this, we don't have to use currency to pay back credit. Nor should we be paying interest. So do we just pay back credit with credit? Is it just a game of making sure the numbers listed in our computer generated account are enough to cover the numbers in another computer generated account? When we write that monthly check to pay back that installment on the mortgage or student loan, no real "money" is ever being exchanged- it's just numbers being transferred from one computer to another...

You are correct Team Zen. There is only debits and credits which move from one side of the ledger to the other, from one ledger to the other, and nothing in the existing paradigm is real.... it is all an illusion held together by the beliefs of the collective consciousness, the hologram of reality having the ability to be shifted in an instant once we wake up to the lie.

ghostrider
19th May 2013, 17:07
the x factor the elite's don't account for , our friends in high places that for a thousand years or so, have supervised earth , leading us toward the awakening to take responsibility for ourselves and our world... not depending on maniacs at the top, but together on the ground , we choose, we decide ...I'm tired of their illusions, change will come from us, not from us reacting to their jibberish ... the phoenix will be reborn ...rising from the ashes is what we do best... so bring it on , I welcome it ...collapse it today... I begin my work tommorrow ...with a new commitment to do it right this time...no matter how many incarnations it takes ...

waves
19th May 2013, 17:35
Lindsay is the king of old school snake oil salesmen. Every interview is the same - .... d r a a a g g g g s... out his supposed insider credentials...again... trying to repeat the word elite as many times as possible... repeats the fear stage-setting phrases over and over and over and over before spilling the huge secret.... "wait till you hear this".... "you're not going to believe this".... "you're not going to hear this anywhere else".... "... blah blah blah.... Then he changes the details of the fear story from the last set of talk show circuit appearances (usually every 6 months or so) and sets all the doom a little further in the future. "They changed their mind...."....

NO INTERVIEWER.... EVER.... has asked point blank asked him why he's 'allowed '(designated?) to repeatedly spill all the super-insider beans of the most powerful people in the world over and over and over and over.... year after year after year..... with no reprise.

Oh and by the way, you are so lucky!! You can buy his latest book for the rest of the big secrets absolutely crucial to your future that he doesn't have time for on the radio show or you'll be so, so , so, so sorry. This is your big chance!!!

I listen to as much as I can stomach purely for latest propoganda, disinfo, and what is not going to happen.

Prodigal Son
19th May 2013, 18:04
What will happen is life will slowly get worse, and our rights will be taken, but nothing radical that could cause a revolution will happen until we are disarmed and have a micro-chip in your arms for money...

Just curious....

...how on earth can either of these two things come about without a "radical" event? We've got sheriffs all over the place who are swearing that they will never enforce gun-control, and I don't know of any Bible-believing Christian who is going to consent to be microchipped.

Carmody
19th May 2013, 18:34
What will happen is life will slowly get worse, and our rights will be taken, but nothing radical that could cause a revolution will happen until we are disarmed and have a micro-chip in your arms for money...

Just curious....

...how on earth can either of these two things come about without a "radical" event? We've got sheriffs all over the place who are swearing that they will never enforce gun-control, and I don't know of any Bible-believing Christian who is going to consent to be microchipped.


Human vigilance, always fades in the face of too extended a period of non-action.

All screaming children eventually fall silent and then - asleep.

The pace is purposely designed to engender the sleepy 'pay no continual attention' mode.

The person who is eventually a habitual parachutist does not discern the accumulation of risk, they ~FEEL~ the reduction of risk. Which is entirely contrary to the truth.


How does a lion sneak up on a herd of a gazelles? How does a pedophile con a child into having sex with them?

Same situation, same psychology/physiology.....same answer.

Learning speed as tied to generational development speed. Move much faster than that, and the 'revolution' can brew itself into existence through simple human recognition. Some of the lessons they've learned in the past few hundred years.

andrewgreen
19th May 2013, 19:05
Was listening to Lindsey Williams on the Alex Jones show and Jones seemed embarrassed at how Lindsey we unashamedly trying to get people to buy his products and pretty much cut him off.

Mulder
19th May 2013, 19:15
What will happen is life will slowly get worse, and our rights will be taken, but nothing radical that could cause a revolution will happen until we are disarmed and have a micro-chip in your arms for money...

Just curious....

...how on earth can either of these two things come about without a "radical" event? We've got sheriffs all over the place who are swearing that they will never enforce gun-control, and I don't know of any Bible-believing Christian who is going to consent to be microchipped.

The gun control and micro-chip will both be brought in slowly just like "death of 1000 cuts" - after each new "sandy hook" - more guns will be outlawed, there will be more hoops to jump through to get a gun "licence" until almost everyone is disarmed, then the remaining armed people will have to leave all guns and ammo at a rifle range.

So will the micro chip - first it will be for the elderly and children, then it will be the new welfare debit card, then the new social security card, then the new "driver's licence" - ie, you can't drive without a chip in your arm, or your car will be impounded for not having a valid "licence." Then it will become your debit card in the cashless society and cash will be obsolete. Finally, the Govt will turn-off these chips in Christians, dissenters,protesters, criminals... so they will not survive in society.

Mulder
20th May 2013, 11:45
Don't forget Lindsey predicted the (US) dollar will be dead by the end of 2012 and it didn't happen - at 1.25 mins in this 2011 DVD set:


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Paul
20th May 2013, 12:01
Don't forget Lindsey predicted the (US) dollar will be dead by the end of 2012 and it didn't happen - at 1.25 mins in this 2011 DVD set:
Lindsey addresses that matter by saying that the US Dollar did die at the end of 2012, when China and some other country (I forget which) announced a trade deal denominated in Renminbi rather than US Dollars (give or take some details -- I am typing from memory.) It's just that most Americans haven't noticed yet.

(not one of the more persuasive explanations I've heard ... I'll grant that)

Maia Gabrial
20th May 2013, 16:43
IMO if the elites crash the economic system, their money won't be worth anything and they have lots of it. Then they'll be as worthless as they think we are....I'm almost looking forward to the crash just to see the elite psychos lose it all, too.... Wouldn't anybody like to see them haul a wheel barrow full of money for a loaf of bread and still not have enough?

Mulder
20th May 2013, 22:58
Don't forget Lindsey predicted the (US) dollar will be dead by the end of 2012 and it didn't happen - at 1.25 mins in this 2011 DVD set:
Lindsey addresses that matter by saying that the US Dollar did die at the end of 2012, when China and some other country (I forget which) announced a trade deal denominated in Renminbi rather than US Dollars (give or take some details -- I am typing from memory.) It's just that most Americans haven't noticed yet.

(not one of the more persuasive explanations I've heard ... I'll grant that)

That's fine Paul. I always try to give my sources so members can look at the source and see if I'm interpreting/quoting it correctly. We have 100s of members in this forum and we all "agree to disagree" over many subjects.

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IMO if the elites crash the economic system, their money won't be worth anything and they have lots of it. Then they'll be as worthless as they think we are....I'm almost looking forward to the crash just to see the elite psychos lose it all, too.... Wouldn't anybody like to see them haul a wheel barrow full of money for a loaf of bread and still not have enough?

I think the elites have already thought this through and they already own the best land, metal mines, etc. that will have value no matter what happens to the money. Also, I remember Aaron Russo saying they already have all the money they want, and now they want power over their slaves...(this came from Aaron's 2006 interview with Alex Jones).

Paul
21st May 2013, 01:28
Don't forget Lindsey predicted the (US) dollar will be dead by the end of 2012 and it didn't happen - at 1.25 mins in this 2011 DVD set:
Lindsey addresses that matter by saying that the US Dollar did die at the end of 2012, when China and some other country (I forget which) announced a trade deal denominated in Renminbi rather than US Dollars (give or take some details -- I am typing from memory.) It's just that most Americans haven't noticed yet.

(not one of the more persuasive explanations I've heard ... I'll grant that)

That's fine Paul. I always try to give my sources so members can look at the source and see if I'm interpreting/quoting it correctly. We have 100s of members in this forum and we all "agree to disagree" over many subjects.
I wasn't trying to disagree, but just to elaborate on what you had correctly reported of a Lindsey Williams prediction that apparently failed. I added Lindsey's (not really all that convincing) explanation for it, but I was lazier than you were and didn't provide a source.

I'll try to make up for my laziness by providing this alternative view of the pending monetary collapse, from Jim Willie, CB of the GoldenJackass.com (http://goldenjackass.com/) (his website has been down the last couple of days but should be back up after he gets a technical problem fixed.)
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It seems from what Jim Willie says that the end of the US Dollar dominated and denominated world monetary system is approaching, as the BRICS nations and their many allies including Turkey (major gold exchange hub), Qatar (major gas fields) and Iran (more major gas fields) bring into place a new world monetary system. If Jim is right this will become obvious to all this year or at the latest next year.

spiritguide
21st May 2013, 17:14
With a wood fire,still and vegetation one can make all the alcohol one needs. Keep it simple and keep it local. You can barter a gallon of alcohol for just about anything. IMHO Learn that to live outside the system as much as possible for when it collapses the hindrance will be negligible.

Maia Gabrial
3rd June 2013, 16:19
I think that the elites will be making the biggest mistake of their lives when they crash the economy. Not only will THEIR money be worthless, but so will THEY be, After all, we are the ones who makes things, grow things, make life move along. The elites are just worthless parasites. And I'm certain that they won't like knowing that we know this... :becky:

sigma6
9th July 2013, 07:07
Wow gripreaper what an amazing summarizer you are! I too listened to the show, and I could never have recounted the main points as thoroughly as you. I did get that pencil and paper, and I did write down April 2, 2013- but that was the wrong date for the article Lindsey to which was referring. It was actually published in the NYT on March 31, 2013. No matter, I still found it:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/31/opinion/sunday/sundown-in-america.html

A question though: According to House Joint Resolution 192, now codefied at 31 USC Section 5118(d)(2):

"...31 USC Section 5118(d)(2) provided for many years that a requirement of repayment of debt in a particular kind of coin or
currency could be made by legal tender. As of October 27, 1977, legal tender for discharge of debt is no longer required. That is because legal tender is not in circulation at par with the promise to pay credit. Negotiable Instruments via Guaranty Trust of New York v. Henwood, et al 59 S CT 847
(1933), 307 U.S. 847 (1939), FN3 NOS 384, 485 holds that 31 U.S.C. was enacted to remedy the specific evil of tying debt to any particular currency
or requiring payment in a greater number of dollars than promised. Since October 27, 1977, there can be no requirement of repayment in legal tender
either.. since legal tender was not loaned and repayment need only be in equivalent kind: A negotiable instrument representing credit, i.e. an
International Bill of exchange ” Or as otherwise stated; NO ONE TODAY CAN MAKE DEMAND IN PAYMENT IN ANY SPECIFIC COIN OR CURRENCY!"

Source: http://constitutionalgov.us/pipermail/generalcongress_constitutionalgov.us/2010-May/001698.html (http://constitutionalgov.us/pipermail/generalcongress_constitutionalgov.us/2010May/001698.html)

According to this, we don't have to use currency to pay back credit. Nor should we be paying interest. So do we just pay back credit with credit? Is it just a game of making sure the numbers listed in our computer generated account are enough to cover the numbers in another computer generated account? When we write that monthly check to pay back that installment on the mortgage or student loan, no real "money" is ever being exchanged- it's just numbers being transferred from one computer to another...

Furthermore, until TPTB manage to revamp and equalize the world's economy playing field and void the US constitution (among other countries' constitutions), how can we genuinely be crippled by debt (not just tricked into believing its so)if we have this resolution? How can we lose our "money" if we invested in things that don't even exist (e.g. stocks, bonds- numbers on paper or in a computer, not tangible like gold, property, etc.) in the tangible world? How can people become so caught up in this weird realm of economic fiction? (These are sort of rhetorical questions, of course propaganda and the likes play a huge role.) Humanity's quality of life is dictated by a huge work of fiction that has infiltrated most people's reality. What a trip, what a travesty. Boggles my mind, this does!

Whoa Team Zen, nice score...

I wonder if it has anything to do with this... yes it's a long 45 minute sales pitch for Oxford Club, which actually I kind of respect as a financial investment advisory source... But what they are saying is mind boggling, when I combine what you have there... which I agree HJR-192 was clear that the government when presented with a liability was required to discharge debt "dollar" for "dollar".... and you can't pay with legal tender because there hasn't been any real money since 33... It is all accrual accounting, money of account... (mind you I thought legal tender, meant 'funny money' to begin with?... )

Anyhow, I know people who have presented the BC to the government and in court with some clear wording, in one case stating that they were NOT the beneficiary, that the government isn't holding legal title for the benefit of the party it was originally intended for and had all their debts wiped clean! Another much earlier on, and more primitive attempt, had his credit record "locked" then eventually "deleted" wiped clean also... So I know it is possible...

Anyhow if you try and move away from this page it will reveal the transcript as secondary sales pitch... (I'd just listen to it, but I wonder if Lindsay's buddies have mentioned this to him...) According to this reporter, gone into hiding, turned investor (hypey) the government is going to do away with all cash... This sounds like a last desperate attempt at something...

Combine this with the Economic war Benjamin Fulford et al are going on about, and this sounds like a global political economic maneuver of some sort... would like someone like Max Keiser or Gerald Celente to interpret the spin on this angle, if it is truly feasible... and he is talking like the end of this month, not sure how literal that is...

http://pro.oxfordclub.com/MONEY4979BRKIUP/LOXFP706/

parcival
9th July 2013, 14:36
Yawn......