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Mluck
28th September 2010, 04:46
On July 9, 1997 my uncle was hiking in a wooded area around Indian Lake, New York. He tripped on what he thought was a tree root sticking slightly above ground. When he looked back he noticed the corner of this box above ground. The fact that he was far from any marked path or road, and was in an area that few if any usually hike, sparked his curiosity. The box was sticking up by only 2 or 3 inches, and from the look of the ground around the box, he figured it had been there quite a while. With only sticks to dig with, it took him a while to pry it from the ground. The 3 shapes on the top of the box (an upside down triangle and two circles), where only apparent after it was later cleaned up. The box had no lock on it and was easily opened. Inside the box my uncle found 21 water-damaged photos, 3 8mm home movie reels, and various documents. Most of the photos are of children which led my uncle to fear the worst... that he had stumbled upon evidence of a crime involving children. He mentioned that his blood ran cold when the began reading the documents also found in the box. He indeed had stumbled upon a crime involving children, but instead of some child molester, it seemed that these children were all part of some United States Government experimentation. Those experiments where known as the I.L.P or the Indian Lake Project.
In 2002, my uncle died. This box was given to me shortly before he passed away. He was afraid of the contents in the box, and wished he had never found it. I feel it is my obligation to share it's contents, and the truth behind what had been burried for 50 years.

Here is the link to the blog which shows photos and you can read up on iy I think this a base where they conducted MK Ultra type experiments on children. I was wndering if any of you have heard of this or have any further information here is the link http://indianlakeproject.blogspot.com/2005_10_01_archive.html

This is only the start of the story you most read through the blog to get the whole picture.

Mluck
28th September 2010, 04:56
I sent this informatin and the lnik to Duncan because I was wondering if he had heard of this. I also was not sure how many of you have heard of this. Like I said any information you may have that is not in the blog would be greatly appreciated. I get a real strange vibe from this the moment I laid eyes on it.

Carmody
28th September 2010, 06:21
Are there a lot of birch trees in the area? Birch trees are signs of Indian burial and holy grounds, they grow in high energy vortex areas.

I just checked, it is off in distance from a Becker-hagens energy grid vortex line by nearly the exact same distance (12.x miles) as Washington DC is from it's main energy grid line.

This differential is one that is based on the exact same inverted pentagram grid layout that DC is based on. Indian lake is considerably closer to the main pentagram center point, though (of the grid line meeting or conjunction point) than DC. With careful measurement it may be found to be an exact multiple, but that is conjecture based on potentials in hypothesis.

Mluck
28th September 2010, 06:25
Are there a lot of birch trees in the area? Birch trees are signs of Indian burial and holy grounds, they grow in high energy vortex areas.

you got to go to the blog and read all the info the info I posted here is only a the start. There are pictures of a base and of children you just have to look at it all it will paint the picture

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I doubt seriously if it's any kind of Indian burrial ground

Mluck
28th September 2010, 06:32
I have been reading and studing the mkultra projects for a long time and this definatly reeks of black ops. Once you read all the blog post you will see what I mean I apoligize for repeating myself but I think this warrents some serious inquiry and could prove to provide valuable evidence.

Harley
28th September 2010, 06:34
Please take care.

Carmody
28th September 2010, 06:38
Well, they generally don't call things 'Indian lake' for nothing, so that is why I suspect such things and then look for potentials and support for such thinking. In one of the photos, I see what may be the odd birch tree. Hard to say.

Mluck
28th September 2010, 06:41
The thing about it is why would there be a road a base power generators under ground facilities and not caves they are like concret man made caverns. Mk ultra use to use native children so thats why they would set up there isolated and close to many children of the type they wanted to me it all fits together nicley.

Lost Soul
28th September 2010, 06:43
Paging Bill & Kerry. Here's someone to interview. Perhaps Maxwell Jordan can interpret it?

Chakra
28th September 2010, 07:39
Just passing on my observations - you decide. :wave:

Mluck
28th September 2010, 07:46
So I take it you have seen this before and have looked into it. I just sent the photos from the blog to a friend who is a graphic designer.
. have you looked into any of the other photos. Is It possible the anomilties are just from the age or damage to the photos some where taken from an old 8mm movie real so they would appear much different then regular photos.

Carmody
28th September 2010, 15:16
Just passing on my observations - you decide. :wave:


Yes, but not everyone faces the camera the exact same way. Like forensics, you'd have to see if you can from lines along specific points of the shadowline. When doing that, just quickly, by eye, the photo seems to hold together. Not that it means anything one way or another.

Fredkc
28th September 2010, 15:30
Please take care.

My, you were very cryptic, while I was off forum, Harley ;)
Fred

Mluck
28th September 2010, 18:18
I am trying to get the evidence for myself so I can have my guy look at it before I make up my mind 100%. I am by no means an expert on photos and things of that nature espically photos that are supposidly that old. I guess when I ask him for the photos and vidoe reels his response will tell me all I need to know.

Hiram
28th September 2010, 20:29
I agree that you should be very careful here. The repercussions of a project involving children like this becoming known to the general public are such that....well.

I don't have to be direct here. You grasp my meaning.

Mluck
28th September 2010, 20:33
It's just such a compelling story in my years as a UFO investigator I have come across my share of cons and have learned to trust my heart and gut they have never steered me wrong. There is something about this story just does not sit right it's very disturbing but we shall see. I never was able to understand why someone would make up such things but have came across it again and again not to say this what this gentlemen is doing but I will soon ask the questions that need to be asked.

Harley
29th September 2010, 06:48
My, you were very cryptic, while I was off forum, Harley ;)
Fred
Yes! LOL! I don't know why, but that's what came out. Sorry About That!
My 'Personal Sensitivities' seem to be peaking here lately for some reason.
Mluck and I have PM'd. I understand better the circumstances. Thanks Mluck!

Mluck
29th September 2010, 17:45
The only information I have been able to find is garbage probably planted by mis info agents I have seen enough of it to recognize it when I see it. I ask again if anyone has any information on this subject that is valid please contact me.

bashi
29th September 2010, 18:41
Trouble is only made in order to prevent the publication. Once its out, the heat is off. Except you brake a "promise".

Let me suggest the following: Get the info out ASAP and start the discussion after. Any attempt to validate the material BEFORE publication places you and others at considerable risc.
It is not wise to step into the fire only because you dont want to risc to be lambasted on a forum.
Even here are some murky figures...
Don't trust anybody!
Don't announce your next steps! Just step!


Remember: You don`t have friends and THEY don't forget....

Hiram
30th September 2010, 03:37
Trouble is only made in order to prevent the publication. Once its out, the heat is off. Except you brake a "promise".

Let me suggest the following: Get the info out ASAP and start the discussion after. Any attempt to validate the material BEFORE publication places you and others at considerable risc.
It is not wise to step into the fire only because you dont want to risc to be lambasted on a forum.
Even here are some murky figures...
Don't trust anybody!
Don't announce your next steps! Just step!


Remember: You don`t have friends and THEY don't forget....

Bashi,

I really like and agree with your post above. It is 100 percent true.

It doesn't matter how long ago this was.

Harley
30th September 2010, 04:24
I whole-heartedly agree with bashi and Hiram.

This is what's been bothering me so. Because of the possible horrendous implications of this material, it makes NO difference at this point whether it's factual or not because it's already gotten attention. You and/or your contact really have no choice other than to put everything out there for your own safety and protection. The validations and verifications can come later!

Mluck
2nd October 2010, 22:32
All the information is outlined in the blog with the photos and the complete story right there for anyone to read :cool:

trenairio
14th February 2011, 20:53
If there has been any confirmation of this Indian Lake Project, I would like that person to post here. It seems I cannot contact Mluck by PM, this person has not been present on Avalon for a while now. Kudos...

bodhii71
16th June 2012, 13:52
Thanks Mluck. I commend your bravery. I noticed you have two links to MK experiments and documents. The one for the experiments is broken or blocked, clicking on it results in saying it doesn't exist.

Kristin
16th June 2012, 15:04
Hello, I can not directly say that this is a confirmation or not.
Every summer from earlier then I can remember to about the age of seven my family and I camped on Indian Lake. This would be from 1969 to 1977.

I would like to see the rest of the photos to see if I recognize any of the children or adults. Also, I remember the over grown cement structure in the woods. At the time, it was not in use and trees had begun to grow within it's construct. I remember having a strange feeling from it.

Some of the pictures seem older and others seem to be in the same era that I would have been there. The dates on the documents are from the 1950's... however, they could have been older documents that were added to the box as evidence. Who knows.

I do not have any abduction memories that I can directly attach to this area... so I have nothing to add in that respect.

Thank you,
Kristin

Bill Ryan
15th February 2013, 17:32
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Hi, All -- there are now over 50,000 threads on the Avalon forum, and I've only just seen this one. My immediate thanks to you for reporting this very important story.

:bump:

Kristin
15th February 2013, 17:51
Here are two public posts from "John" that are of interest:



Since my last post a lot of things have happened to me which make me believe that posting anymore items from the box would not be in my best interest. I have had numerous phone calls, only to hear silence on the other end (as many as 20 times a day). My house was broken into and "searched", but nothing was taken. The box, and it's contents, had been securely hidden outside of my home. I did this shortly after the phone calls began. It is obvious to me that I hit a nerve when I mentioned the documents I have, and that I was considering perhaps posting them at some point. I am no longer going to post anything. I am done. I hope anyone who stumbles onto this site will read it from the beginning, and continue to stay interested in this story. For those of you who have followed this blog I am sorry, but my family and their peace of mind come first. As disturbing as these photos and documents are, the last few days for me, and my family, have been even more so, which is why I am saying goodbye.


And...


For all those who are concerned for my safety, I'm still here.
I have not posted much in a very long time, so I want to offer this little bit of information to anyone who still checks this site. The reported "Montauk Project" is something that may have a SMALL grain of truth to it as it relates to the development psychological warfare techniques. I don't believe the time travel portions of the reports, but through my research I believe I've found something that does connect the Montauk and Indian Lake projects with reguards to psychological techniques and personel.

From the Heart,
Kristin

Kristin
15th February 2013, 17:55
The structure in the woods is very similar to the structure in germany that has been connected to the "Nazi Bell". I do not think this is a coincidence.

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/619/1673/1600/WOODS10.jpg

Mluck
15th February 2013, 18:12
Thank you Kristen for bringing that to light. I would like to take this opportunity to say that the blog is not mine nor am I the one with the box I apologize in my original post as it may have come across that way, to answer some of the pm`s i have received I also apologize for my absence in the forums. I had circumstances and health issues that prevented me from doing so. Recently through my own investigations I have reason to believe I may have found a piece of this puzzle. All I can say at this time is that the items found are real the photos and 8mm film are real. I'm currently trying to contact the author of the blog in order to bring more facts to light I will try and keep you all who are interested updated as much as I can well at the same time respecting the anonymity of any individuals involved as the implications of this information are very disturbing my only goal here is to do right by these children and hold the criminals responsible accountable. As soon as i am able and at the discretion of those parties involved i will keep you updated as best as i can.

Limor Wolf
15th February 2013, 18:39
Hello Mluck, I Hope your health issues and circumstances are better, It is a most intersting as well as a potential to be important and devestating find. I have not yet read all the blog, I wonder however, if it might be useful to try and contact Bryce Taylor (real name Suzan Ford), an Mkultra child and adult survivor with very deep understanding and knowledge of the methods of CIA and shadow organisations that operated such experiments on children, experiments might be an underestimated word for it. I read Taylor's profound book last year where she describes very similiar methods of broadcasting frequency sounds to the minds of the children to condition them to certain behaviours. The attached photos in the blog of the children with the headphones very much resembles what she describes. She can be contacted only by her trust adress it seems, at:

Brice Taylor Trust
p.o Box 332
Lynn,NC 28750

I hope it is still updated

She wrote me a note when I purchased the book, it might have an email on that, I can see if I find it if you like.

Please stay safe

( Thank you, Bill for the Bump)

Fred Steeves
15th February 2013, 19:05
The structure in the woods is very similar to the structure in germany that has been connected to the "Nazi Bell". I do not think this is a coincidence.

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/619/1673/1600/WOODS10.jpg

Hey there Kristin. I passed over your above post at first, because I sort of assumed it may just be a picture of the Nazi Bell facility itself. But then coming across it while reading the blog, and also remembering you actually saw an overgrown concrete structure there as a child, I decided to do a quick Google Image search for pictures of the bell structure itself, and compare.

I was like well hmm, son of a gun, it looks pretty round, like a henge. The picture from the blog is most certainly square.

Picture from the blog bottom left. Picture of the Nazi Bell facility bottom right. Interesting...

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Kristin
15th February 2013, 19:13
The structure in the woods is very similar to the structure in germany that has been connected to the "Nazi Bell". I do not think this is a coincidence.

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/619/1673/1600/WOODS10.jpg

Hey there Kristin. I passed over your above post at first, because I sort of assumed it may just be a picture of the Nazi Bell facility itself. But then coming across it while reading the blog, and also remembering you actually saw an overgrown concrete structure there as a child, I decided to do a quick Google Image search for pictures of the bell structure itself, and compare.

I was like well hmm, son of a gun, it looks pretty round, like a henge. The picture from the blog is most certainly square.

Picture from the blog bottom left. Picture of the Nazi Bell facility bottom right. Interesting...

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There is a large difference however, the "Bell" structure is enclosed. This one is open on the end like an Amphitheatre. It's use is most likely different. (?)

From the Heart,
Kristin

Fred Steeves
15th February 2013, 19:43
Just a by the way, did anyone else here happen to follow the series "Fringe" on FOX, that just recently concluded after several years? A very large part of the plot, besides direct AI interaction and a parallel universe, had to do with a lead character coming to the realization that she had been part of a very high level psychic experimental group as a child, only in the show it had taken place in Jacksonville, Fl.

Quite often these types of shows, like "LOST", are indirectly telling us things that are really going on.

Mluck
15th February 2013, 19:54
I found this particularly interesting and an avenue i will be exploring.

The missing men of the "Indian Lake triangle"

Nov 07, 2008 The vast forests and river valleys around Indian Lake in Hamilton County offer some of the wildest and most beautiful country in the Adirondacks. But that sparsely-settled region can also be dangerous. Since 2006, three men have disappeared near Indian Lake. The most recent vanished this fall. Some officials have taken to calling the area the "Indian Lake Triangle." As Jacob Resneck reports, forest rangers charged with patrolling the area downplay the idea of any mystery. They say some visitors simply aren't prepared for the rugged, remote terrain.

Source http://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/archive.php?id=12402

Mluck
17th February 2013, 16:55
I just wanted to say and taking some advice I just want to report a few odd happenings. Yesterday morning sometime which would be 16/02/13 I believe some where between the hours of 4am and noon my computer was hacked into and received so many errors it was near the point of crashing. How do i know this well after spending several hours on the phone with tech support and ruling out virus spyware trojan horses the IT guy Leo I spoke with told be that someone hacking was his conclusion and mine as well as this has happened to be once before and caused similar problems. Also I received 6 phone calls to my home land line a number I never give to anyone except those close to me, all these phone calls were from a blocked name and number or unknown as they appeared on my caller I.D, when I answered then phone and said hello all I heard on the other end was someone breathing and then after a min or so they would hang up. Perhaps i am being overly paranoid but the timing seems to be to perfect. I just wanted to post this after receiving some sound advice.

Limor Wolf
17th February 2013, 17:02
Mluck, Thank you for posting. Please put here any 'anomalies' that you encounter. at anytime if there is anything that you need and can be helped with please let us know.

Limor