Canadian's angry response to a senator's comment

[Maia Gabrial]

You would think that most politicians would realize that everything they're doing and saying is being watched by their constituents. Here's a letter in response to what one of the Canadian senators said. I cheer this woman on!


Someone in Canada is Awake—Check Out this Flaming Response to a Senator’s Remarks
by 2012thebigpicture
21573
Oh-ho! I'm happy pass it on... this post from One People Canada.

Go Patty!!!



(contrary to what many Americans believe, Canada does not have a "free" health care system. Those who work pay into it all their lives, as well as Employment Insurance and retirement /pension funds-CPP.

Actually, Canadians pay far more taxes than Americans. When we left Canada, my other half was paying 43% of his income in taxes.)
May 28
One People Canada Facebook Page
I don't think pissed really covers it!!!!Jeff Smith, the Senator from Québec calls senior citizens the Greediest Generation as he compared "Social Security " to a Milk Cow with over a million teats.

Here's a response in a letter from PATTY JOHNSTONE in Ontario ... I think she is a little ticked off! She also tells it like it is! Oh sooo true!

"Hey Jeff, let's get a few things straight!!!!!

1. As a career politician, you have been on the public dole (tit) for FIFTY YEARS.

2. I have been paying CPP & OHIP for 48 YEARS (since I
was 15 years old. I am now 63).

3. My Canada Pension payments, and those of millions of other Canadians, were safely tucked away in an interest-bearing account for
decades until you political pukes decided to raid the account and give OUR money to a bunch of zero losers in return for votes, thus
bankrupting the system and turning Social Security into a Ponzi scheme that would make Bernie Madoff proud.

4. Recently, just like Lucy & Charlie Brown, you and "your ilk" pulled the proverbial football away from millions of Canadian seniors
nearing retirement and moved the goalposts for full retirement from age 65 to age, 67. NOW, you and your "shill commission" are proposing to move the goalposts YET AGAIN.

5. I, and millions of other Canadians, have been paying into OHIP & CPP from Day One, and now "you morons" propose to change the rules
of the game. Why? Because "you idiots" mismanaged other parts of the economy to such an extent that you need to steal our money from
OHIP & CCP to pay the bills.

6. I, and millions of other Canadians, have been paying income taxes our entire lives, and now you propose to increase our taxes yet again.
Why? Because you "incompetent bastards" spent our money so profligately that you just kept on spending even after you ran out of money. Now, you come to the Canadian taxpayers and say you need more to pay off YOUR debt.

To add insult to injury, you label us "greedy" for calling "bull****" to your incompetence. Well, Captain Bull****, I have a few questions for YOU:

1. How much money have you earned from the Canadian taxpayers during your pathetic 50-year political career?

2. At what age did you retire from your pathetic political career, and how much are you receiving in annual retirement benefits from the
Canadian taxpayers?

3. How much do you pay for YOUR government provided health insurance?

4. What cuts in YOUR retirement and healthcare benefits are you proposing in your disgusting deficit reduction proposal, or as usual,
have you exempted yourself and your political cronies?

It is you, Captain Bull****, and your political co-conspirators called Parliament who are the "greedy" ones. It is you and your fellow nutcase
thieves who have bankrupted the Canadian Pension, OHIP and stolen the Canadian dream from millions of loyal, patriotic taxpayers.

And for what? Votes and your job and retirement security at our expense, you lunk-headed, leech.

That's right, sir. You and yours have bankrupted our benefits for the sole purpose of advancing your pathetic, political careers. You know it, we know it, and you know that we know it.

And you can take that to the bank, you miserable son of a bitch. NO, I didn't stutter.

P.S. And stop calling CPP & OHIP "entitlements". WHAT AN INSULT!!!!

I have been paying in to the CPP system for 45 years "It's my money"-give it back to me the way the system was designed and stop patting yourself on the back like you are being generous by doling out these monthly check s."

EVERYONE!!!

If you like the way things are in Canada delete this.

If you agree with what an Ontario citizen, says, please PASS IT ON!!!!


Now I'd love to hear what that senator had to say for himself....
What a jerk!

[eric charles]

Everyone in Canada is starting to get pissed off , I havent filed a Tax return in over 4 years . I told them to go F*ck themselves , when they sent me a letter 2 years ago . I have not been bothered yet !

Like how much can they possibly tax me more FFS Almost 50% of my paycheck just disapears into Government coffers , all the while these politicians are getting caught left and right stealing from thr trough , ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

[sandy]

I totally agree............Go Patty Go!!

[conk]

Likely response: Thank you for your thoughts. I'll keep them in mind. Thank you.

Great letter though! I usually get a form letter from my Congresscritters and after reading it I always wonder if they even read the letter I sent.

[Maia Gabrial]

I know what you mean, conk. I wrote to my congressman last year, complaining about something and his response totally disregarded my complaint. He's been in office too long. Why he keeps getting re-elected is a mystery to me....

[Ernie Nemeth]

These politicians truly are out of touch with the plight of the average citizen. All government must go! No one has the right to force their opinions on another. Governments in our minds is supposed to provide for the common good, not line the pockets of their wealthy friends and bilk the average man out of the little he has. But if you look at the history of government it is clear that it was created by the elite to protect and multiply the assets of the elite. It has always been so. And it is very effective at its true purpose.

There are so many examples I'd like to cite but I'll just leave it be. I'm no longer surprised when another citizen rises up out of their stupor long enough to see the true state of things. I have never been fooled, not since I was ten. It has been fascinating to watch the slow errosion of our way of life just in that short time frame since, a scant forty years. The change has been drastic and yet most still follow along with the program, oblivious to the slow and insiduous errosion of their civil rights. The insults to common decency that have been perpetrated in our names is glossed over with often racist and almost exclusively ignorant remarks and excuses.

Great letter, good points, excellent name-calling!

[DouglasDanger]

The little lady did write a good scoulding letter but there was nothing in it to improve the situation, it was more finger pointing about who's done what. This same woman probably cellibrated the royal wedding blissfully unaware that the honeymoon would be put on our tax dollar shoulders. Canada is so screwed up, yet it is portrayed as a rosey warm place to live.

[eric charles]

It is no rosie palce to live at all , Especially here in Communist Quebec , where governent is even trying to eradicate Englsih from being spoken on the streets !

[DeDukshyn]

The little lady did write a good scoulding letter but there was nothing in it to improve the situation, it was more finger pointing about who's done what. This same woman probably cellibrated the royal wedding blissfully unaware that the honeymoon would be put on our tax dollar shoulders. Canada is so screwed up, yet it is portrayed as a rosey warm place to live.

I disagree.

Pointing out that it is our "leaders" failing us, stealing from us, letting us down, as opposed to the way they point their fingers at us saying we are the problem, and for that to be so true is enough to set a small flame under many peoples behind. The main problem is many of us still trust our criminal leaders, when its proven they are criminal, but they just haven't found this out yet. This letter paints a fairly honest picture of the situation. A slab of honesty to replace some over-complacence is good.

BTW senators are appointed by the PM and GG -- no one votes for them. That's a crime in itself in my opinion ... few people even know this.

I'll be sharing this ;)

[NewFounderHome]

It is no rosie palce to live at all , Especially here in Communist Quebec , where governent is even trying to eradicate Englsih from being spoken on the streets !

Hi eric, Well I might point out then the eradication language story has been poushed both sides. Not more one then the other and at the end of the day we are all being stolen from. The language story is just a way to of projecting a smoke screen will in the back they do the deals. Look at the right hand will the leaf hand is taking you wallet.

Don't get fouled with the language thing!

Have a good one.

[MadMax1]

Quite often these politicions do not read the letters they employ people to read this sort of mail and write responses to them, so it's very possible they did not even see the letters you sent.

[eric charles]

It is no rosie palce to live at all , Especially here in Communist Quebec , where governent is even trying to eradicate Englsih from being spoken on the streets !

Hi eric, Well I might point out then the eradication language story has been poushed both sides. Not more one then the other and at the end of the day we are all being stolen from. The language story is just a way to of projecting a smoke screen will in the back they do the deals. Look at the right hand will the leaf hand is taking you wallet.

Don't get fouled with the language thing!

Have a good one.


WHAAAT , Im not fouled with anything my friend . It is my guaranteed right . Guranteed by the Charter of Rights of Canada , that allows me to have services in French and English , and allows me to speak it with anyone whom I may choose

the language problem is just one of the many , but what pissing me off is they are taking my right AWAY

WAKE the F*ck up Dude . Its not all smoke and mirrors , its a plain in your face F*** you here in Quebec by our government .

[Ernie Nemeth]

My family and most of my friends moved out of Quebec in the late seventies, like almost all good English speaking people did. When I left, Beaconsfield, a suburb of Montreal was almost exclusively English. A decade later, I went back for a visit. Beaconsfield is now French. Every store, every clerk, every sign is in French (we used to have bilingual signs). And government departments are now called battements, whatever that means.

But the people are the same as ever. We could learn a thing or two from the Qubecers' "laissee faire" attitude. Great partiers, mostly Liberal-minded and far less inhibited in sexual matters.

The French in Quebec had a valid fear of being assimilated by the English all around them. Their businesses were run by the English, their government too. Most of the money was in the pockets of the English. In Montreal the east side (where most of the French live) was almost a getto. But after the great exodus, when the English left, the PQ (quebecers' separatist party) encouraged the French to move into the west end and take over the English speaking neighborhoods, which they did.

Quebec is a great place to party but I would not want to live there.

[soleil]

i get taxed 42-45% and i always end up owing more at tax time. i'd like that explained to me as well. WTF

[eric charles]

i get taxed 42-45% and i always end up owing more at tax time. i'd like that explained to me as well. WTF

Ill explain it quite simple , We are in Debt , we cannot repay the Debt without increasing the income tax on middle class families . Debt that has been accumulated since the Trudeau days(60's-80's) of non stop spending crazy insane on the Welfare State . He created a WHOLE ARRAY of ENTITLEMENT programs for the Corporate and the Poor , that is coming home to roost !

[soleil]

i get taxed 42-45% and i always end up owing more at tax time. i'd like that explained to me as well. WTF

Ill explain it quite simple , We are in Debt , we cannot repay the Debt without increasing the income tax on middle class families . Debt that has been accumulated since the Trudeau days(60's-80's) of non stop spending crazy insane on the Welfare State . He created a WHOLE ARRAY of ENTITLEMENT programs for the Corporate and the Poor , that is coming home to roost !
its sad i know, i was kind of being rhetorical. i wish i could keep my paycheques, sheesh

[Carmody]

i get taxed 42-45% and i always end up owing more at tax time. i'd like that explained to me as well. WTF

Ill explain it quite simple , We are in Debt , we cannot repay the Debt without increasing the income tax on middle class families . Debt that has been accumulated since the Trudeau days(60's-80's) of non stop spending crazy insane on the Welfare State . He created a WHOLE ARRAY of ENTITLEMENT programs for the Corporate and the Poor , that is coming home to roost !

The Canadian dollar used to be backed by ..Canada.

Prime minister Mulroney and his connections took Canada off of making and printing it's own money. Canada was shanghaied like the Americans were with the creation of the Federal Reserve Act in the USA.

Canada now borrows money instead of printing it and backing it. Canada pays interest on every dollar created in Canada and is now in ever increasing and perpetual debt slavery that is IMPOSSIBLE to break way from, UNTIL it prints it''s own money -again.


In this way Canada, like the USA, backs the money and someone else prints as much of it as they want. Mulroney sold Canada into slavery, to the international banks. Always remember that Mulroney was put there, by controlling interests. The interests of those who back and control the USA.

Same as Stephen Harper. Same crew is underwriting him and put him where he is today.

The Oil/CIA/Fed reserve/Black ops/Nazi/Fascist/Alberta faction.

[Ernie Nemeth]

In fact, the corporate welfare state you speak of was encouraged by the Canadian Central Banking System. Debt is wealth, according to them. The more debt, the more wealth. That's how the entire world has spiralled into this financial debacle. It is not any government, it is the strong-armed tatics of the central banks. wanna borrow money on the SEC? - then you gotta run up your deficit spending...

[eric charles]

Last I checked , its not just a central banker screwing me , It's everyone from our City halls , Regional , provincial and Federal Governments , , also many Corporate entities . Its not all Central Banking at fault here , for inflation yes and the money system , What is the main problem is Peoples attitudes , willing to sacrifice kids and the well being of people for profits and their personal agendas !

[Ernie Nemeth]

Did not see Carmody's post while posting the above.

Eric Charles:
What is the main problem is Peoples attitudes , willing to sacrifice kids and the well being of people for profits and their personal agendas !

In my veiw that is the attutude encouraged by capitalistic avarice, a natural offshoot of fractional reserve lending and this debt-based system...
Buy more, consume more, don't wait, get it now with no money down...conditions apply, on approved credit

[eric charles]

Did not see Carmody's post while posting the above.

Eric Charles:
What is the main problem is Peoples attitudes , willing to sacrifice kids and the well being of people for profits and their personal agendas !

In my veiw that is the attutude encouraged by capitalistic avarice, a natural offshoot of fractional reserve lending and this debt-based system...
Buy more, consume more, don't wait, get it now with no money down...conditions apply, on approved credit

Ernie capitalism is a great system , true capitalism I am talking about , do not confuse it with the Neo-Fascist system we have now . Capitalism allowed an individual to rise and fall upon their own merits . Socialism/Communism is a mass distribution of wealth that benefits the STATE and STATE only while everyone lives in absolute poverty. In the olden days of capitalism people were as Equal as in a Communist state , but allowed private ownership . Capitalism was a true system of wealth distribution . Today its a Fascist system , yes in part it has to do with the Fractional reserve banking system , but look and study how it was before that, mostly everyone was self employed/farm etc , worked hard yes but was free from government and corporate intersts . Try and open a business today , with all government fees and licensing and blah blah , its very near impossible to be successful without amount hugs amounts of debt and severe government interventions and restricitions ......... trust me , Ive tried opening a plumbing business here in Quebec , the exam fee alone is 1000$ , the license fee is 7000$ , and you need to prove you have 10,000 $ clear to your name in a secured bank account , in case of bankruptcy .

So to start off one need to make 36,000 $ After taxes clear , just to stay afloat for the first year that doesnt include your prperty taxes , rent , employees , phone , (internet) ,not to mention the tools , witch can easily easily amount to 15,000 to be competitive (pipe threader 4000, drain router 1200, dies , taps , pipewrenches ,and of course a Pickup truck 40,000 on avg , a good tool pouch can cost a 1000$ to be succesful you would need to make at least 100,000 $ in your first years, that is completly insane .
So tell me here how our Socialist system in Canada is working for the greater good ,

[Ernie Nemeth]

Eric, there have never been "olden days" when the elite did not manipulate our lives.

Capitalism is their baby, it is a perfect vehicle for controlling the masses. The size of government, to a large degree, decides how many licenses and fees you must pay. It is their way of further curtailing economic freedom. Those same governments try to remediate the overwhelming greed and avarice of the rich and powerful, made so by capitalism, by redistributing the wealth to include the poorest. That is because Capitalism Does Not Work.

The greater good? Are we on the same page? No one cares about the greater good. Those in power do care about the illusion of caring about the greater good. They actually don't give a whit beyond that manipulated perception.

edited to remove incriminating evidence...

[eric charles]

We cannot confuse Capitalism with totalitarianism Ernie , they are both seperate things . One is a way to conduct the exchange of money , the other , well im not gonna even go there cuz thats what we are living in now hehehehe

I understand your frustration my friend , I really do . I have tried and tried as you have in a sound business model , to no avail . I was young with many obsatcles in my way and I gave up when I shouldnt have .

[Lou Range]

A Fictitious Citizen's fury. This story is totally UN-truthful.

There is no senator from Québec named Jeff Smith. But who would know? The Canadian Senate, unlike the powerful U.S. Senate is irrelevant.
Whoever started this chain mail is obviously mad at the world (perhaps with good reason), but probably wanted to disguise her identity so as not to reveal how uninformed she is.

Her rant centres on the Canada Pension Plan (an insurance program based on our pensionable earnings and the amount of our contributions), though in one paragraph CPP and OAS seem to become interchangeable (and OHIP - a provincial, not federal program - is erroneously lumped in) as she rants at politicians for raiding interest bearing accounts and bankrupting a system.
But CPP, actually, is on pretty sound financial footing (not so for its counterpart in the U.S.). And OAS is not even an account (interst bearing or otherwise) - it is and always has been funded out of Gov-Can general revenues. That means no one ever pays anything into it directly.

And, there is no truth that the goalposts have been moved from age 65 to 67. Again, happening in the U.S. because there, the whole government is bankrupt - not here (yet anyway).

[sunflower]

You would think that most politicians would realize that everything they're doing and saying is being watched by their constituents. Here's a letter in response to what one of the Canadian senators said. I cheer this woman on!


Someone in Canada is Awake—Check Out this Flaming Response to a Senator’s Remarks
by 2012thebigpicture
21573
Oh-ho! I'm happy pass it on... this post from One People Canada.

Go Patty!!!



(contrary to what many Americans believe, Canada does not have a "free" health care system. Those who work pay into it all their lives, as well as Employment Insurance and retirement /pension funds-CPP.

Actually, Canadians pay far more taxes than Americans. When we left Canada, my other half was paying 43% of his income in taxes.)
May 28
One People Canada Facebook Page
I don't think pissed really covers it!!!!Jeff Smith, the Senator from Québec calls senior citizens the Greediest Generation as he compared "Social Security " to a Milk Cow with over a million teats.

Here's a response in a letter from PATTY JOHNSTONE in Ontario ... I think she is a little ticked off! She also tells it like it is! Oh sooo true!

"Hey Jeff, let's get a few things straight!!!!!

1. As a career politician, you have been on the public dole (tit) for FIFTY YEARS.

2. I have been paying CPP & OHIP for 48 YEARS (since I
was 15 years old. I am now 63).

3. My Canada Pension payments, and those of millions of other Canadians, were safely tucked away in an interest-bearing account for
decades until you political pukes decided to raid the account and give OUR money to a bunch of zero losers in return for votes, thus
bankrupting the system and turning Social Security into a Ponzi scheme that would make Bernie Madoff proud.

4. Recently, just like Lucy & Charlie Brown, you and "your ilk" pulled the proverbial football away from millions of Canadian seniors
nearing retirement and moved the goalposts for full retirement from age 65 to age, 67. NOW, you and your "shill commission" are proposing to move the goalposts YET AGAIN.

5. I, and millions of other Canadians, have been paying into OHIP & CPP from Day One, and now "you morons" propose to change the rules
of the game. Why? Because "you idiots" mismanaged other parts of the economy to such an extent that you need to steal our money from
OHIP & CCP to pay the bills.

6. I, and millions of other Canadians, have been paying income taxes our entire lives, and now you propose to increase our taxes yet again.
Why? Because you "incompetent bastards" spent our money so profligately that you just kept on spending even after you ran out of money. Now, you come to the Canadian taxpayers and say you need more to pay off YOUR debt.

To add insult to injury, you label us "greedy" for calling "bull****" to your incompetence. Well, Captain Bull****, I have a few questions for YOU:

1. How much money have you earned from the Canadian taxpayers during your pathetic 50-year political career?

2. At what age did you retire from your pathetic political career, and how much are you receiving in annual retirement benefits from the
Canadian taxpayers?

3. How much do you pay for YOUR government provided health insurance?

4. What cuts in YOUR retirement and healthcare benefits are you proposing in your disgusting deficit reduction proposal, or as usual,
have you exempted yourself and your political cronies?

It is you, Captain Bull****, and your political co-conspirators called Parliament who are the "greedy" ones. It is you and your fellow nutcase
thieves who have bankrupted the Canadian Pension, OHIP and stolen the Canadian dream from millions of loyal, patriotic taxpayers.

And for what? Votes and your job and retirement security at our expense, you lunk-headed, leech.

That's right, sir. You and yours have bankrupted our benefits for the sole purpose of advancing your pathetic, political careers. You know it, we know it, and you know that we know it.

And you can take that to the bank, you miserable son of a bitch. NO, I didn't stutter.

P.S. And stop calling CPP & OHIP "entitlements". WHAT AN INSULT!!!!

I have been paying in to the CPP system for 45 years "It's my money"-give it back to me the way the system was designed and stop patting yourself on the back like you are being generous by doling out these monthly check s."

EVERYONE!!!

If you like the way things are in Canada delete this.

If you agree with what an Ontario citizen, says, please PASS IT ON!!!!


Now I'd love to hear what that senator had to say for himself....
What a jerk!



[UPDATE: May 29 – It seems there is no Senator Jeff Smith in Québec. BUT, as I said on Facebook…

“… the point is, someone spoke up, told the truth, said what was on their mind, and… that’s what we have to do, because if we don’t say we DON’T agree with what’s going on, we’re going along. No one was hurt in this, so it’s an acceptable way to protest, in my book.”

Someone suggested the names were changed to protect the innocent; thereby allowing the senator to save face.

Whether there is a senator by that name or not is irrelevant. This rant got a lot of attention and probably woke a few people up, and that’s what needs to happen. After they WAKE up, they can SPEAK up, and then we can create change." www.ladiesbank.com ]

This rant was an e-mail originally. Reminds me of the ones citing inflammatory stuff from the Koran and when you check the source (verse, chapter) something completely different appeared. Using incorrect information to stir people up doesn't seem quite right to me.

[Bill Ryan]

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Folks, I've just received this e-mail from a visitor who wanted to share the following:






Dear Bill,

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59585-Canadian-s-angry-response-to-a-senator-s-comment

The post above continues to circulate as bloggers copy it from others. Please let your readers know the truth. The blog is originally American and it has morphed into slandering Senator Larry Smith. Please see the early beginnings: http://snopes.com/politics/soapbox/simpson.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/simpson.asp)

Senator Larry Smith of Quebec has never made any remarks associated with this rant.

Please help us to correct the slanderous information.
Sincerely,
[name provided]