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vilcabamba
6th June 2013, 18:51
Hi All,

I'm very confused and need advice.

I have been trying to wake people up over the past couple of years. I point out the chemtrails, try to tell people about the scientific evidence. Try to tell people about the shadow govt, cancer cure coverups, GMO..and all i get from people when i try to tell them the truth is a blank zombie stare as if i had five heads. :twitch:

Can someone please advise me on what works.

I have been working on my mom now for 6 years. No matter how many whistleblower testimonial videos i have her watch, she still forgets about them and goes back to thinking that nothing is happening. I show her evidence after evidence and still she repeats the same fake stories that the govt gives us no matter how hard the evidence I show her. I'm at a loss.

Not only do i get blank stares but i get extreme arrogance and laughter..like yeah right, and even evil energy of annoyance or hate towards me from family members.

Here are some sheeple responses:

"There are No GMO's in NJ".

"If it were true it would be in the news"

"They are not using actors in false flag news reports, now i really think you are crazy" (after I show proof)

"how do i know the whistleblower really is who he/she says they are"

"Rothschilds are Jewish, they wouldn't do something like that and harm people. I KNOW MY JEWISH PEOPLE"

"He/she is an anti-semite according to the news, I'm not going to listen to them" (after explaining anti-zionism isn't antisemitism)

"Chemtrails are for weather modification only" after hearing evidence from whistleblowers of military cancer viruses and dessicated red blood cells ... the sheeple repeats "It's just for weather modification". End of conversation.

"Why don't you concentrate on good things. Just forget about this stuff and stop looking at it, stop researching, it's bad for you" (said by someone who has apathy about what they are doing to people)

"You shouldn't show anger" (This person accepts the govt murdering people, but is more concerned that I shouldn't show angry or emotions that people have apathy over murdering innocent people)

"You know you are wasting your life" (said by someone who spends life playing bridge with friends and has never had one concern about what is happening in the world or cares about helping anyone)

" ....................... " (No response, accompanied by typical zombie stare before walking away)

"That whistleblower is a fraud for saying we are being sprayed with poisons, I even called the military " (yes, said by ignorant brother !!!!! :confused:)


ONE PERSON, SUCCESS! :cool:

"Yes, I knew something was weird with 9/11. I knew those planes didn't take down those towers"......(YEAH! I had one success from a woman who i met feeding squirrels on the street! A kindred animal loving soul.)

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Another disturbing thing is the apathy. I keep asking "how can you not care that people are being murdered all the time". And the response is..."People die, it happens". This type of response is soooo deranged to me, i wonder why i even came to this planet in the first place. Where beings are so deranged that they have such disregard for life.

Please tell me that i'm the sane one!!!?? As i cannot let it go that there is mass murdering all the time. It deeply disturbs me that i know that i cannot ignore it. I try to awaken as many people as possible all the time (although with little success). I cannot stop researching or wanting to know more truth. I find all the typical matrix stuff a complete bore (zzzzzzzzz!). I'm told i need to get out more and hang out with "my kind". Uhh... I don't think that is what i'm here for. I think waking up the snoozing masses is more important then being a part of a herd mentality.

My hope is that when i try to wake up people, i plant the seed, and in the future, someone remembers my message. and say UH huh! I get it now!

I feel for anyone going through my situation with my mom. I know that the financial collapse will wipe out any savings that senior citizens have if they are in the dollar that is collapsing. And they will probably not gain it back. I have been ruthlessly trying to wake up my mom to save her in that regard. And all i get back is complete mental abuse from her. Telling me that i'm wasting my life worrying about these things, and i should just have fun and enjoy and who cares about the future. ???!! I say but what will you do when the dollar collapses and she says arrogantly that "I will live on the streets then" and arrogantly marches away in a mightier then vow attitude as someone who has never gone hungry a day in her life and finds staying at a hotel that less then 3 stars is beneath her because of the icky people who also stay there.

Honestly, I'm feeling that being in this insane world is driving me insane. I really need some R&R after this life. I really can't wait for the needed vacation. I swear, this is my last time on one these "juvenile delinquent" planets.

If any of you are having success, please tell me your strategy. Maybe i'm trying to awaken people who are too far gone, chemically lobotomized.

By the way, my mom who I have been trying to awaken to save her from the financial devastation. When i try to tell her things, her face contorts and looks like she is under the influence of some energy. Her one eye shuts close and her mouth pulls to the right and a bulge appears on the left side of her face. It's like shape shifting or something. Could this be some dark energy attachment? She stands there all contorted, staring at me like a zombie. It's sooo freaky. I feel i'm in the presence of evil.

eric charles
6th June 2013, 19:10
I feel your frustration my Friend , I have given up a Long time ago .

Rahkyt
6th June 2013, 19:17
There is a programming, yes. It has been called many names over time.

Don't try so hard. Relax. Let synchronicity and genuine curiosity lead people to you.

It could be considered an energetic imposition to attempt to force cognitive dissonance. Find the truth for yourself and, if people ask or if it comes up in conversation, share information sparingly, only proceeding if there is genuine interest.

Running up against people's programming is engaging inserts, implants and other malignant codings that become ingrained over a lifetime.

As shown in the Matrix Construct scene, when confronted with what lies beyond the false holographic reality, even the One underwent a bout of vomiting and lack of acceptance of the relative truth of the human situation.

In the unreal world around us, it is unrealistic to expect more. For most, it will take the complete destruction of the paradigmatic metanarrative for them to be forced by life and, therefore, the Cosmos, into cognitive dissonance and the re-arranging of their perspectives and belief system.

Love your mom, understand her dilemma and proceed gently. Bless.

Another1
6th June 2013, 19:23
You could be one of the naturals who never had to question making the leap down the rabbit hole and turning your back on 'reality' - for the average person on the street, to wake up could mean destruction of all they know. Tis easier to ignore you or deny your words than to take such a step.

Was it ever a 'risk' to you? It was for me briefly as the least vestiges of religion began to slip. A well programmed child in me actually worried for a moment of the lightening bolt coming to strike me down. When the chit is beat into you from birth it does leave an impression.

The people on the road behind who saw my choices see that I lost everything. They think it's kewt that I am still happy-go-lucky with attitude for most part but they sure as hell will not make my 'mistake' and jeapordize their possible retirement in heaven, job, lifestyle and family, just to explore a rabbit hole.

We CAN plant seeds and water them but to try and 'push' usually backfires I think.

Jake
6th June 2013, 19:27
Vilcabamba,, Hello! First of all, you have to remember that it is not your responsibility to wake anyone up. It is ones own responsibility. One of the biggest problems is that folks simply do not have the courage to face themselves. That is what is required for someone to accept this stuff. It is easier for many folks to simply deny anything that will challenge their paradigm, because it will force them to look within themselves and face down the fear/confusion that has them shackled. Many folks will take to this type of information with ease,,, others,,, not so much. I have had mixed results with trying to 'wake people up'... Every single one of us has to deal with this at one level or another.

You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink!!

The best way to go about it is to INSPIRE people to WANT to know what you are talking about. Live with joy, and folks will begin to wonder what it is that you know!!! And when they ask,, tell them. It is also a personal journey... I was (and still am) trying to wake people up,,, all the while, I have a long way to go myself. :) And that is okay!! You cannot force a change in the world,,, but you CAN change YOUR world,,, and when you do, watch how much difference a little inspiration can make, and how naturally the world changes around you!!

Jake.

jsb_swampfox
6th June 2013, 19:27
I think by nature, people want to believe in what they think they know and what they are fed by mainstream society. This makes it very hard to "awaken" most people. I have found that it takes time and patience with most people. Start slow, dont go from chem-trails, to 911 in one conversation. stick to one thing at a time and coax them to research the info you just gave them for themselves. You will run into to a few that are fascinated by the new info and start their own awakening from that first conversation with them. Those are few and far between. Thanks for the thread and frustration is the name of the "conspiracy game".....

christian
6th June 2013, 19:31
Gotta respect free-will. You can point on obvious things, but if others choose to suspend logic, all you can do then is have compassion for the state they're in and smile... how else could you deal with those things, if not with humor?

Go with the flow, don't get caught up with blockheads. I think you help those the most, when you just leave them alone after they'd discard your insights. I think just smiling at them and leaving has the highest probability for facilitating any wake-up after all. Radiate the fact that you truly have their best interests at heart and that you completly honor their free-will at the same time.

Be patient, with some people things just move very slowly. If someone would admit after years that 9-11 was an inside job, that can be a success. On the other hand, trying to push others can harden them up even more.

And last but not least, lead by example. Make decisions and a living based on what you consider to be right. And then after years, when your ways have proven to be successful, others will be more open to communicate with you.

syrwong
6th June 2013, 19:38
Never try to hard by forcing your beliefs onto the person. You can help only those who heed. For those who don't, you have sold a seed of awareness, and when they hear the story again, they will think a little.

It helps always not to go too deep for beginners. Tell them you think are the most convincing stories, with plenty of "evidence", with some MSM reports etc. There must be a lot of these, because the elites always want to tell you a little. It is only ethical.

Hervé
6th June 2013, 19:52
This is the kind of things you are running into:


[...]

Hypnosis gives the key as to how implanters work out their implants and mind-control the future behaviour of their victims:


The only other time I have personally witnessed what I saw in my son was a time years ago when a friend of mine was hypnotized by her brother in front of me and her boyfriend. Her brother asked me what I would like him to have her do after he woke her up. I wanted to see if she would repeat something that she would considered silly under normal circumstances. I said, have her get up and flush the toilet every time you tug at your collar.

So he gave her the command, then woke her up. He tugged his collar, she got up, went into the bathroom and flushed the toilet, came back and sat down. He tugged his collar again, and she did it again. And again. After three or four times, I finally asked her why she kept getting up to flush the toilet.

First, she just said it needed flushing. She did it again. And again, I asked her why she kept flushing the toilet. Each time I asked her, she would make up some lame reason as to why she had to flush the toilet.

She got more and more annoyed at me for asking, but she did it again and again upon command and could never see that there was anything strange about it.

Her brother hypnotized her once more to release her of the command, but what an amazing thing to have witnessed.

This is what I saw in my son. He could not answer a simple question but only parrot the party line.
[...]

When one gets an inkling that this kind of hypnotic implantation of behaviour and marching orders have been going on for eons on this planet (see this thread:MATRIX REVEALED -- Analysis & Solutions (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52786-MATRIX-REVEALED-Analysis-Solutions)) one can get an idea of the size of the task.

As Simon Parkes (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30323-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens.) put it in one of his interview, paraphrasing one of his ET friends he was disagreeing with about abductions: "They are not supposed to remember!"

Prodigal Son
6th June 2013, 20:02
Lately I've been having a lot of success by just staying calm and making sure that I articulate confidently and accurately, as if I "know". I only give them verifiable facts that they can check out for themselves on Wikipedia. I try to put together dots that can be easily connected. I try not to overwhelm them with too much, which requires stopping myself. That's when they start asking their own questions. I always end it off by telling them not to just believe me but to do their own research.... and finally, by telling them to google George Carlin "Who Really Controls America"... where he will sum up everything I just said in 3 minutes flat.

soleil
6th June 2013, 20:07
oooh amzer zo, made me think of those things in dr who, where in the storyline, the characters would see these crazy scary beings but when they turned around, they would forgot completely. after they realized, they soon started counting with marks on their body to track/count how many times, how many there were....AH!



vilcabamba the only advice that i have, is to live by example. share what you can and only answer questions when they arise. instead of pushing opinion on others.
cuz i tried, no one wants to wake up AT ALL. my mom included, and shes got some dangerous entities on her im sure.

karelia
6th June 2013, 20:17
Hi vilcabamba,

You've already got some great advice on this thread. I want to say that your perception of "almost zero success" may be a little premature. You can sow the seed, and you're obviously doing that, but it's up to the seed when to germinate, and some just take a damn long time. 10, 12 years is not unusual for that kind of seed to germinate, at least from my own experience.

Also, I learned (the hard way) over the years that this kind of thing is often much easier to do with humour rather than a doom-and-gloom attitude. If you try to ram the truth down their throats, no matter how much it matters to you or how much you care about someone (which is exactly the reason you point all these problems out to them I suppose), if they're not ready to listen, they will dismiss anything you say, no matter how much proof you show them. On the other hand, a little comment, preferably a humorous one, here and there, will probably germinate the seed sooner.

Hawkwind
6th June 2013, 20:31
Essentially, people who want to wake up will, and you can help in that process by sharing what you’ve learned. People who don’t want to wake up won’t, and the harder you try to make them the more resistance they create. This is especially true if you seem frustrated, angry, depressed, fearful, etc. Also, if you ask someone to open their eyes and then only show them the problems and horrors in the world, they’re not likely to keep their eyes open or be willing to look at what you want to show them in the future.

The old social order is collapsing. Instead of putting our energy into examining how rotten the old fruit is, suggest we focus on helping the seed inside sprout. Instead of fighting the old system, let’s build a new system which makes the old one obsolete and irrelevant.

Fred Steeves
6th June 2013, 20:35
You've already got some great advice on this thread. I want to say that your perception of "almost zero success" may be a little premature. You can sow the seed, and you're obviously doing that, but it's up to the seed when to germinate, and some just take a damn long time. 10, 12 years is not unusual for that kind of seed to germinate, at least from my own experience.


Several years ago I argued with my 17 year old neighbor for 2+ hours when he was trying to tell me about this stuff one day. I just wouldn't listen, and tried in turn to convince him how important the war on terror was for instance. A couple years later I began rehashing that conversation in my head, and decided to go online to investigate for myself to prove him wrong once and for all.

Well, guess what the results were of me taking that step to put the young man in his place? I eventually washed up here on the shores of Avalon. (LOL)

By the way, I pulled him aside some time later and thanked him. Those seeds really can sprout, but like others have said here, don't force them, and above all keep a good sense of humor. :)

Cheers,
Fred

naste.de.lumina
6th June 2013, 20:42
My friend.
If you get intensely frustrated endangers start to doubt yourself.
Ever happened to me.
No matter how many proofs and certainties that you have already identified over the whole complex of the Matrix, the frustration can make you think ... 'Am I crazy even as they tell me?'.
So, do not blame yourself for the apparent lack of results.
Make a difference being a light for example.
It is not your fault that the world is in this situation and that people do not realize.
Hug.


It's much easier to kill a phantom than killing a reality.
Virginia Woolf

Paul
6th June 2013, 20:54
Can someone please advise me on what works.
I find my relatives don't mind my weird views ... just so long as I am quite willing to chuckle along with them in contented amusement at how weird my views are.

Most of us just like a little space to be whatever we are, and appreciate others enjoying our presence, whatever that might be. So I give them that space, am glad to know them, and am happy to agree with them on the weirdness.

The underlying key is to completely separate the essence of who one is from what views one has. This is probably a bit easier when you've lived long enough, and held enough diverse and conflicting views on things, to realize that one's views are not one's essence. Rather one's views are more like a suit of clothes, the reasonable best one can do at the time, given what hangs in one's closet of understandings and awarenesses, to dress up one's intuitions in a presentable fashion.

Lazlo
6th June 2013, 21:48
Playing Devil's advocate here, so go easy on the impending flaming, this is a thought exercise only:

How do you KNOW it is your job to wake people up?

How do you KNOW that you are right and they are wrong?

What if you were to "wake someone up" and they changed their beliefs, ending up losing a job or getting a divorce...and then you discovered that you weren't right about everything after all. Is that responsibility now on your shoulders?

What if you are a little bit right? Say, for instance, about the new age belief that we all incarnate here to work through karmic issues / spiritual evolution. You are getting in the way by waking them up!

noprophet
6th June 2013, 22:02
More and more I'm beginning to think this is a place, this reality, that you cycle through. You don't get to cycle the whole place up with you though.

Dennis Leahy
6th June 2013, 22:16
...
"Why don't you concentrate on good things. Just forget about this stuff and stop looking at it, stop researching, it's bad for you" ...

...

Honestly, I'm feeling that being in this insane world is driving me insane. I really need some R&R after this life. I really can't wait for the needed vacation. I swear, this is my last time on one these "juvenile delinquent" planets.

If any of you are having success, please tell me your strategy. Maybe i'm trying to awaken people who are too far gone, chemically lobotomized.

Small doses. (To me, this is a huge key.) Cognitive dissonance is a tough nut to crack - if cracked at all. YOU won't awaken anyone - THEY will awaken themselves. You are merely a catalyst, not a magician. Supply just a little bit less information than they need to even form ONE new thought. Allow their brain to complete the thought, or to ask for more, or to walk around with the feeling that they almost know something (this disconcerting feeling may prompt them to search.)

With certain people, you could try telling them something, and when they react badly, explain that it is OK, you apologize, and that you realize it is difficult information to comprehend. Then graciously depart. (No animosity.) It really bothers some people if THEY believe they were just hit with a concept they are not smart enough to understand - and they may pursue it.

Try this approach: Ask them a hypothetical question. For example, tell them that you're aware that GMO food as well as Roundup caused cancer in rats in a scientific study, but that one of your friends asked if you thought it was OK to go ahead and feed their child with GMO food and that you're debating scaring them with the real scientific data, or just being quiet. Ask them what they would do.

Never talk about anything you merely suspect or believe is true, but for which you have no solid proof. (For example, aliens in underground bases.) These ALWAYS backfire. Stick to subjects that you can prove, or where you can at least offer solid evidence.

This one is hard for me, even though I have a good sense of humor: note how incredibly effective Bill Hicks and George Carlin are, using humor to inject truth. If you can do some of that, great. (If not, send them your selection of the best - short - Bill Hicks and George Carlin videos, one at a time.)

It would be nice if we could just be utterly blunt and honest with everyone, but remember the brainwashing that got them to where they are was not honest -they used every trick in Edward Bernays' playbook and even gave them "tools" to deal with nutcases like you (and me) that want to blurt out the truth: we then become the butt of the joke, the "conspiracy {chuckle, chuckle} theorist."

Some will react by pulling the covers over their head. You cannot fix this. They are not ready.

Take it slow, and be a loving, compassionate, emotionally even-keeled person. This makes it harder for them to hang the conspiracy nutcase tag on you.

And, good luck.

Dennis

AriG
6th June 2013, 22:19
The very sad fact is that most people are not equipped to deal with negativity. They view this as negative and they cannot cope. No one wants to hear the ugly truth. In reality? They are god like ( not as in productions). They cannot process the negativity and require multiple levels of planetary evolution to filter out the negative. Begs the question though.... what kind of god would create a reality without being able to accept the ramifications of said reality? Coward? Elitist? Juvenile? Human? They are created in "his" image. Perhaps this means denial, vengeful, and self serving.

Bubu
6th June 2013, 22:22
Because their subconscious been program not to believe you. why not counter program your subject. learn from the pros the cabal. I do it the fun way do everything the fun way. I recall that every single effort made by every single person is for only one and only purpose, Happiness dear friend. Know where to draw the line. my humble advice

Prodigal Son
6th June 2013, 22:25
The very sad fact is that most people are not equipped to deal with negativity. They view this as negative and they cannot cope. No one wants to hear the ugly truth. In reality? They are god like ( not as in productions). They cannot process the negativity and require multiple levels of planetary evolution to filter out the negative. Begs the question though.... what kind of god would create a reality without being able to accept the ramifications of said reality? Coward? Elitist? Juvenile? Human? They are created in "his" image. Perhaps this means denial, vengeful, and self serving.I hate it when I get the "negative" card pulled on me. Especially when my presentation has as its main feature the idea that our thoughts can change reality, the Cabal's days are numbered and an infinitely better world will follow their demise. They would rather go back to complaining about the price of everything. Yeah, that's positive. :suspicious:

Lifebringer
6th June 2013, 22:38
Perhaps not quite evil(I hope) but more like a program that is having a time getting through to the left brain. Her chakras could be blocked from fluoride and other toxic chemicals from the foods. IF it is an evil spirit or reptilian, who knows, maybe mom was programmed not to remember an abduction and her physical face is rejecting information pertaining to the lost memories.
Not trying to be funny but remember Arnold Swartzenegger in Total Recal when he was in the train station dressed as a woman, and the face started distorting?

When you said that about your mom, that's what came to mind. I don't sense evil, but a memory block and denial to what's real or not.
Sometimes, they just can't take it, and you don't want to stroke her out, so talk to the young, who watch the skies, and are more open and tolerant of other beings on the planet.

It's this type of closed mindedness, that keeps them out the churches.

Heartsong
6th June 2013, 22:39
Why are you intruding on your mother's life? For all that she's faced in her lifetime you probably sound like a sniveling whiner.

Instead of pounding on her with what must seem to be unbelievable theories, ask her what about "how it used to be"... WWII, Viet Nam, Polio Epidemic, lay-offs,the absence of women's rights--or how it is now for her like economic bad times, the loss of loved ones as she ages, or the decline of her health.

It sounds like you want her to be angry over your issues. She has her own issues.

ghostrider
6th June 2013, 23:32
you must use their ego against them, let them seem to come to the conclusions, even if you steered the conversation, let them think it was their brillance , because they are soooooo smart , you can't possibly know something they don't ...

DeDukshyn
6th June 2013, 23:57
you must use their ego against them, let them seem to come to the conclusions, even if you steered the conversation, let them think it was their brillance , because they are soooooo smart , you can't possibly know something they don't ...

Hey! That's my tactic! Trails of breadcrumbs can work wonders for helping others without really forcing "help" on people ...

nonesuch
7th June 2013, 00:29
I suspect when you are enthusiastically intent on educating family and friends who you see as asleep at the wheel, what they see is the equivalent of you walking into the room naked and stating with excitement, "Hey, look at me, I'm naked. I'll bet you didn't know this is what I actually look like. Isn't it cool?" and instead of joining in the fun by stripping down with you, they sneer something like, 'For God's sake, put you damned clothes back on!" That is how foreign what you're trying to tell them about is and how 'obviously' wrong, even deranged you appear to be.

Best advice, learn how to not be insulted by being called crazy. In mainstream culture, anyone who isn't watching a real housewife is crazy. Maybe give a little and watch a real housewife with them once in a while and withhold your disgust until you can vomit later withs a friend who has already walked through the mirror. It'll go a LONG way in giving you cred in the nutty world you currently despise while expecting acceptance. As long as you hold contempt for their world, (and anyone can pick that up even without so much as a blink of their glazed over third eye) they're happy to return the favor. You've chosen a different path and have to be generous to those who are angry at you for being there, and more so when you try to jolt them into it. Don't wait like I did until you're nearly my age to seriously consider changing your approach and taking responsibility for your own happiness and treating those you don't understand and who don't want you 'help' with respect. I could have had a much happier life if I hadn't been karmically stuck in perpetual insecurity and judgement that made my world a special, but mostly miserable place until recently.

You're not crazy, but you are insane to think you shouldn't be, with all you know. Someone said this about that: " You were made iconoclastic; don't forget to be elastic" A bendy farewell for now....Non Es Uch! (that's latin for' its not that bad')

jjjones
7th June 2013, 00:54
my pa friends, when the student is ready the teacher will appear. thank you for your informative & insightful replies! :) namaste.

Carmody
7th June 2013, 04:09
More and more I'm beginning to think this is a place, this reality, that you cycle through. You don't get to cycle the whole place up with you though.

Definitely part of the musing about the WTF? aspects of things here.

The less you know, the harder you are pressured, the more you will forced to think.

For the modern human, in the modern world, The only time you are truly alive, all possible cylinders firing... is when you are this close to death:

http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/Erthun0Pauc/mqdefault.jpg

Horribly so..celebrate the grind, it's the only thing bringing you the new and the understanding of the meaning of the new.

Now... how do we reconcile with that?

Ancient Chinese curse: "May you live in Interesting Times".

naste.de.lumina
7th June 2013, 06:37
I was reading this story about a former drone operator who feels haunted by more than 1600 deaths in operations in which he participated.
At one point he says:


"I do not feel like I can really interact with que average, everyday person," he said. "I get too frustrated, because A) They do not realize what's going on over there. And B) they do not care. "
See the full report here:
http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/06/18787450-former-drone-operator-says-hes-haunted-by-his-part-in-more-than-1600-deaths?lite


I'm not trying in any way to compare his situation with that of any person who is not involved in this type of operation or something.
What he says in the above sentence (frustration), is very similar to what many of us feel about the reaction of people when trying to open their eyes.
For us it is easier to accept these circumstances I believe.

In the case of this guy, unfortunately I believe he's more dead (his soul is in shambles) than the people he shot.
My compassion is all I can offer.

FraZZleD
7th June 2013, 06:59
I was in your shoes at one time. I always had my eyes wide open from when I was a child. I'd say it took a good 30 years to open my mothers eyes. My sister is now feeling the effects of my warnings I had been giving her for years. My son's have come around but it also took years to deprogram them from their schooling.

As for work, well I've had my job for 10 years now and should I say in the beginning everyone thought I was nuts. It also took years of proving myself to them that I cared about what happened to all of them at work and life in general. I started first with the weather. I told them the weather would get much worse and that's when things would start to fall apart. Now people come to me and ask me what to do? It took their electricity not working for 2 weeks before they believed me. I leave seeds all the time. I wait to hear when someone agrees with a little of what I said add a little more information/water and then wait for that seed to sprout a little more before adding more knowledge/water to that sprout. Now I can pretty much say just about anything. I also tell them don't believe me do your own research and let me know what you find. I might jot down something to google where they will find the information I'm talking about. I think I've changed about 60% of the peoples thinking where I work. 2 people call me a prophet I just laugh and tell them I'm just good at researching.

Much of what I find on the internet I tell people at work and then about 3 months later we get briefed on what I already told everyone. They just look at me amazed. Now people ask me my thought on what's going on. Especially what's going on in the world. Mostly now when someone calls me crazy (new people at work) the other people back me up and tell them they are wrong that she knows what she's talking about and she's not making it up. So they start to listen more carefully because I have many people that know and understand what's going on.

You will get there it takes years for some people to wake up. Just keep planting those seeds.

Nerge
7th June 2013, 10:36
Initially it can be very tempting to splurge and share all you know with people, but that often does more harm than good; as others have said, small seeds of ideas are often better to avoid alienating people and directly challenging their built up ideas and walls.

Drop a few ideas here and there with the odd comment, like the stuff near the top of the rabbit hole not the heavier stuff deep-down. :)
Stay positive and look out for those that show genuine signs of interest, whatever degree that is.

Attitude is very important, despite what responses you get do not get drawn into ego games or feelings of superiority over those you're trying to share info with; it's not your job to wake them up, it's down to them alone - they can take it or leave it, it may just not be time for them yet (if ever).

People take a lot in subconsciously, something you said to them months or years ago that they may not consciously remember can suddenly pop back into the forefront of their minds when something triggers it by a future event or experience - guess who's going to be there go-to person then? ;)

As people have said, lead by example, stay positive and light-hearted - you'll often get much better and surprising results that way.

You don't sew seeds in the ground and then shout at them after 5 minutes because they haven't turned into a crop yet; you nurture, guide and show them love - eventually it pays off with a bumper crop. :)

Joe Akulis
7th June 2013, 13:02
Hmm. I guess one thing I'm wondering is just how "awake" different people might be, when they make the claim.

If you start explaining how awake you are by going into things like chemtrails, and government false flags, and monetary manipulation, then I would say that you may have become aware of more of the illusion, but you are still only studying the illusion. What else do you know? Yes, we have a giant stage here, and there is a giant performance going on, but what have you learned about the stage? Or who the actors are in real life? Is there an audience? Is there a benefit to having been a part of the play, even though you may have been "asleep and blind" while you were playing out your part?

While you patiently wait for the curious to come into your vicinity, occupy some of your time learning even more about everying that is going on offstage as well as on stage. And if you already have soaked up a good bit, then I hope it has made it easier to contain the urge to hit people over the head with the truth. We all come from different places, before we even enter the illusion. And we all have different reasons and purposes for entering it. Maybe try steering people toward talking about what they believe their purpose is, instead of telling them they are being sprayed. :-)

Alan
7th June 2013, 13:13
People are ready to wake up when they're ready, you can't force it.

I recall exactly when my awakening began, a brilliant friend of mine mentioned he had read Whitley Strieber's book "Communion" (about alien abductions). Something inside me clicked and I knew I had to look into it.

The best you can do, IMO, is to -slowly- introduce/mention our "crazy" ideas to your circle of family/friends. Wait and see their reactions, don't give them too much or they will dismiss you as a loon.

Instead of saying "Wow, look at those chem trails, our government is trying to kill us!", say something more like "I wonder why there's so many of those jet trails up there on some days?". If the other person is open/interested then they'll keep the conversation going.

greybeard
7th June 2013, 13:35
The one who asks the questions is in control of the discussion.
You can instigate conversation without appearing to have an opinion on the subject.

Did you hear that there is a possibility that x is happening?
What do you thing about?
Tell me more ---gently get the person to question their offered point of view.
It takes time---gently gently.
Hitting people over the head with things just scares them and scared people resist what is being said.
If your getting no where back of --another time another place.

Think about what triggered your curiosity--what started you?
Enthusiasm is good but not in the first sentence.
You are sharing, informing, not selling.
Less emotion better than too much.

Lots of good advice here already.

c

Rosieposie
7th June 2013, 13:43
Sometimes when I feel too weird it helps me to remember that we are all here for different reasons with different lessons and different paths. Some souls may have incarnated with the energy that is currently the majority on earth with the purpose of experiencing that energy, they probably will not outgrow it or evolve through it because that is not why they are here at this time. The best thing is just to respect that and also respect the role that they are playing in carrying that energy to its fruitation. I am not sure what will happen to them when this phase comes to its end but if they are ingrained with those energies they may well choose (soul level often) to depart with the releasement of that energy cycle or when the phase ends they will find it in themselves to release it. Just respect and allow it and try to match where they are at, sometimes soft words are more powerful than that loudest voice, soft words have a way of settling in peoples minds without confronting the ego, so.. be kind :)

northstar
7th June 2013, 13:53
I have had "crazy" supernatural experiences for years, most of which I have kept strictly to myself, and none of which I have shared with my Muggles family of origin because I love them and I don't want to see their heads explode. I don't mean this literally of course but the few times I mildly suggested any topic of conversation not strictly within the confines of materialist science and institutional religious dogma the push back from my sadly materialist family was extremely negative and unpleasant. I feel bad for them because they are now coping with a lot of life challenges and their rigid Matrix-programmed beliefs are not serving them well. However, I love them and I accept them as they are despite their limitations.

Many years ago I learned something called the "Law of Silence" when I participated in a certain spiritual group. The group taught us that most people would not be able to understand, comprehend or accept the spiritual experiences the people in the group were having so it was best to just stay silent when around Muggles so as not to upset them.

I have followed this principle (staying silent about my spiritual experiences) for years and it has worked well for me. However recently my guides have been nudging me to speak up and share my "non-Muggle" ideas and experiences so I have begun to do that with people around me in my daily life. My guides told me that people who carry light must now start to share it by speaking their truth. (and I mean that literally - opening our mouths and speaking about what is near and dear and true and authentic).

And I am finding that once I gained the courage to start speaking up that many people are actually open to what I am saying. And not only that, once they know it is a "safe" topic they are telling me about their own "non-conventional" experiences.

And this is how we create deep, radical change - one courageous conversation at a time.

Sunny-side-up
7th June 2013, 15:06
Great Post vilcabamba

I've been a lucky one. I was born enlightened just needed to find the information and like soled people to fit in with :)

I now know straight away if someone can have their electric light bulb turned up, sadly some people are still using candles.

Best way is to be in the right crowd at the right time.
Join a club, that way you can have a mutual interest, see them regularly and just be your enlightened self.
Your enlightened self will rub off on to them bit by bit and you end up with new friends to boot :)

The seeds you have sown will hit them in their eyes eventually, it will have a softening effect, all is not lost.


Posted by karelia (here)
You've already got some great advice on this thread. I want to say that your perception of "almost zero success" may be a little premature. You can sow the seed, and you're obviously doing that, but it's up to the seed when to germinate, and some just take a damn long time. 10, 12 years is not unusual for that kind of seed to germinate, at least from my own experience.
Several years ago I argued with my 17 year old neighbor for 2+ hours when he was trying to tell me about this stuff one day. I just wouldn't listen, and tried in turn to convince him how important the war on terror was for instance. A couple years later I began rehashing that conversation in my head, and decided to go online to investigate for myself to prove him wrong once and for all.

Well, guess what the results were of me taking that step to put the young man in his place? I eventually washed up here on the shores of Avalon. (LOL)

By the way, I pulled him aside some time later and thanked him. Those seeds really can sprout, but like others have said here, don't force them, and above all keep a good sense of humor.

Cheers,
Fred

Fred's a great example of how your input can grow and your energy's can rubs off on people. It can all of a sudden burst into a bloom of enlightenment! What a beautiful flower.

BTW well done for all the trying.

Whiskey_Mystic
7th June 2013, 15:31
I am of the opinion that you cannot wake anyone up. Only they can wake themselves up. All you can do is leave a few breadcrumbs here and there and a few who are ready might follow the trail.

Greybeard is right. You can come in under the radar by asking instead of telling. I never say that I believe something. I always say "Some people believe..." and follow up with "The one thing that does seem interesting about this is ......" and "That really kinda is a riddle.....what do you think of that?"

Let go of the outcome. Shields go up automatically if people sense that you have a belief agenda.

Rich
7th June 2013, 15:54
The hell this world is in is normal for most people because it reflects their consciousness.

I recommend Non-Violent Communication as an effective way of communication:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56253-How-to-understand-what-a-person-is-saying

sirdipswitch
7th June 2013, 16:58
The one thing that I have not read on this thread so far, is programming. Television, programing. You all know the funny little quip we make about TV programing, and why we call it that. Because that is precisely what they do with TV. They program us.

Watch the movie: "They Live", and you will understand just a tiny little bit, of what they do. Look up the term "Slides". When peoples programing takes effect, they will turn off, mentally. You can watch someone whose "Slide" programing takes effect. Their eyes will turn off. Just like someone turned off the switch. When you are talking to them they just go blank. You might as well be talking to a fence post. Through television, they are turning people into Sliders. They are forcing them to turn off. This has been going on for more years than I care to remember, and as long as someone is "still" watching TV, it will be a tough road to wake them up.

I have a friend that turns off at the word UFO. Blank stare. Lights out. off. Fence post. Brain storm one day!! When she turned off, I moved very carefully, around to the side of her, and then quitely said her dogs name. She came back with a start, and jumped away from me, wondering how I could just jump to the side of her, without her seeing me move. Yep! And she does it every time. That is a "slider". Big time. And her TV is on almost 24 hours per day. She even has one in her "Bedroom", that she goes to sleep with. Do you?

You think the movie "They Live" is not true? Guess again.

My brother cannot go to bed, without watching the nightly news. I thought he was going to get physically Ill, and vomit, right in front of me, when I told him that 9-11 was an inside job. He could not even talk about it. And this happens every time I try to bring it up.

They can also program us, to be just kind and loving people, that do not wish to harm anything, and want only the best, for our fellow man. They do it through the very types of programs that we watch, and program us according to what we think we should be! And, anything outside of "our programing" will not be tolerated! Why do you think we went digital? It gives them more control, and they can "give" us the kinds of "Programing" that we think, we need.

The only way that people can be awakened, is when they themselves awaken. All we can do, is plant a few seeds, and hope they take root. Remember, when their eyes turn off, you can quit talking.

Programing... they are very good at what they do, and they have been doing it for a long, long, time.

Again, it comes to how deep down this programing rabbit hole you wanna go?

You wanna talk about the satelites they have in space that can program you through your roof?

Or watch every move you make, as you move around inside your house, as though your house doesn't even have a roof?

Do you think the only ET Technology they are getting, is only done in underground labs, concerning genetic engineering. Guess again. Where do you think all this new ipad stuff is coming from. Don't you remember star trek, when they were using touch screen computers, and we thought that was so strange???? Just where? do you think all this new technology is comming from??? By great leaps and bounds. ET, has had it for longer than we, have existed.

How deep ya wanna go??

I have found no-one, on this forum, that can even Think... how deep it gets.

I chose to bail out and go a different route. One that They, cannot control. cccccc cccccc. (those are a bunch of little chuckles. cc)

:wizard:

deridan
7th June 2013, 17:21
...I agree with heartsong, that many of the older have lived through there own 'interesting times', they functional, know what to do to keep they family unit moving,
so no use in destabilizing a ship, they would just mainly be glad that we are living our lives and go about any strange interests we would (i mean they meditated these things in there heavy days of romance, making more crazy combinations of and from themselves)

..i'd only show my reason to other youths (+20) who are pushing some organizational agenda

Jake
7th June 2013, 17:25
I have found no-one, on this forum, that can even Think... how deep it gets. Then you have not been looking very deep!!! :) Deep mental programming has its widest effect on weakminded folks. Not everyone falls for it... The Television is not the problem,,, it is whatever the human is looking for in the tv that is the problem... We need to lift folks up, rather than try and focus on a clear negative. I try to NOT surround myself with weakminded folks!!! I must interact with strong sovereign people,,, folks who will call me out when I am wrong,,, and folks who can think for themselves. There are lots of people here who grasp it,,, (I do not watch tv,,,, watching the news is like watching cartoons!!) If you throw away all tv's,,, you would still deal with the mindlessness... The programming that is going on plays on the humans natural mental flaws, which need to be dealt with,,, regardless of the television...

I choose a different route too!!! Peace and love,,,,



Jake.

PS,,, I just read over this post and noticed that it may have taken a sour tone,,, I did not mean too,,, Sirdpswtch,,, you are a shining star here at Avalon,,, IMHO,,, please do not take my words as insulting,,, maybe challenging,,, Jake.

Deemah
7th June 2013, 17:57
Something like this is more common then anything else! haha

The truth of the matter is - some people are programmed to wake up think radically and view the world around them for what it is,
and other individuals (on other side of the coin) are programmed by shadow governments and regressive indoctrination to stay within a certain band of perception.

It can be very frustrating indeed, the best thing to do would be is to respect other peoples choices and let them experience their path.
If you force the truth on people it will only create more resistance from them, and your energy will leak from your being as you use a great portion of it to attempt to free or "unlock" other persons "chains" of perception.

Stay positive and show other people the way by embodying those qualities and beliefs you recognize as truth and change people through your field of Vibration ~

L&L to You!

Jake
7th June 2013, 18:00
Something like this is more common then anything else! haha

The truth of the matter is - some people are programmed to wake up think radically and view the world around them for what it is,
and other individuals (on other side of the coin) are programmed by shadow governments and regressive indoctrination to stay within a certain band of perception.

It can be very frustrating indeed, the best thing to do would be is to respect other peoples choices and let them experience their path.
If you force the truth on people it will only create more resistance from them, and your energy will leak from your being as you use a great portion of it to attempt to free or "unlock" other persons "chains" of perception.

Stay positive and show other people the way by embodying those qualities and beliefs you recognize as truth and change people through your field of Vibration ~

L&L to You!

Deemah,,, WELCOME TO AVALON!!!! Thank you for the insightful post. Staying positive is one of the most powerful tools that we have!!!

Deemah
7th June 2013, 18:23
Deemah,,, WELCOME TO AVALON!!!! Thank you for the insightful post. Staying positive is one of the most powerful tools that we have!!!

Thank you so much!! I could not agree more my brother. There is not more solid ground than positive one, it is able to transform anything in its path, it is evolution! Haha

judymoon
7th June 2013, 19:30
If we are souls learning to master the lessons of this universe through a succession of incarnations then there no need to feel responsible for 'waking up' another soul.

We are all here for a myriad of reasons.

Taking a course in relationships, leadership, social building, communication, finding solutions to difficult problems without despairing; courses that run the gamut from introductory level to masters degrees.

Experiencing mental illness, poverty, riches, handicaps,beauty, despair, evil, good, indoctrination, all for the purpose (possibly) of finding the thread of Love and Light that runs through all of it and connects us to our source.

Taking a 'vacation' life.

I think all experience has validity and purpose. Even though it is hard to find that thought in confronting truely horrific, damaging and traumatic experience.

It's impossible to know what another soul has come here for.

If you were born in 1000 B.C. in China, what would your issues be? What would you be trying to wake people up from? Or 1430 A.D. in South America somewhere?

We have such short life spans, and we are so emeshed in the times and places we find ourselves in that it seems to me the 'waking up' would be the realization we bought into the illusion, and to try to slowly separate from it and find what is really there, who we really are, and what is beyond this limited earth experience.

While continuing to live our lives with integrety, compassion, and quiet, intent observation.

When I come from a place of love and stillness (which happens occasionally :) ) I find I know the right thing to say to another and am open to listening to what they have to say to me - in the true sense of communication.

sirdipswitch
7th June 2013, 20:45
I have found no-one, on this forum, that can even Think... how deep it gets. Then you have not been looking very deep!!! :) Deep mental programming has its widest effect on weakminded folks. Not everyone falls for it... The Television is not the problem,,, it is whatever the human is looking for in the tv that is the problem... We need to lift folks up, rather than try and focus on a clear negative. I try to NOT surround myself with weakminded folks!!! I must interact with strong sovereign people,,, folks who will call me out when I am wrong,,, and folks who can think for themselves. There are lots of people here who grasp it,,, (I do not watch tv,,,, watching the news is like watching cartoons!!) If you throw away all tv's,,, you would still deal with the mindlessness... The programming that is going on plays on the humans natural mental flaws, which need to be dealt with,,, regardless of the television...

I choose a different route too!!! Peace and love,,,,



Jake.

PS,,, I just read over this post and noticed that it may have taken a sour tone,,, I did not mean too,,, Sirdpswtch,,, you are a shining star here at Avalon,,, IMHO,,, please do not take my words as insulting,,, maybe challenging,,, Jake.

Hey Jake!! Nope, none taken, my friend. As I look back also, I may have sounded a bit, like I was back on my high horse again. ccc. It's just that this thread has found on of my "Hot Buttons", because I know how deep the hole goes. I have spoken with ETs' that do not understand, how we can be so advanced in our Real Space program, and yet so backward on our Home Plannet.



JUDYMOON!!!

You have nailed it right smack dab on the middle of the head with your post. It really doesn't matter who we wake up, or even should wake up. No matter what we go through, or not, is our choice, that WE, came here to do. No matter how that may sound to some, we are each, just doing our own thing. I get carried away thinking of possibilities, and sometimes go too far. And sometime that ol wabbit hole, really gets under my feathers. blah blah blah blah... there I go again.cccccccc.

ok I'll shut up now. y'all have fun.. ccc.

Jake
7th June 2013, 21:10
I have found no-one, on this forum, that can even Think... how deep it gets. Then you have not been looking very deep!!! :) Deep mental programming has its widest effect on weakminded folks. Not everyone falls for it... The Television is not the problem,,, it is whatever the human is looking for in the tv that is the problem... We need to lift folks up, rather than try and focus on a clear negative. I try to NOT surround myself with weakminded folks!!! I must interact with strong sovereign people,,, folks who will call me out when I am wrong,,, and folks who can think for themselves. There are lots of people here who grasp it,,, (I do not watch tv,,,, watching the news is like watching cartoons!!) If you throw away all tv's,,, you would still deal with the mindlessness... The programming that is going on plays on the humans natural mental flaws, which need to be dealt with,,, regardless of the television...

I choose a different route too!!! Peace and love,,,,



Jake.

PS,,, I just read over this post and noticed that it may have taken a sour tone,,, I did not mean too,,, Sirdpswtch,,, you are a shining star here at Avalon,,, IMHO,,, please do not take my words as insulting,,, maybe challenging,,, Jake.

Hey Jake!! Nope, none taken, my friend. As I look back also, I may have sounded a bit, like I was back on my high horse again. ccc. It's just that this thread has found on of my "Hot Buttons", because I know how deep the hole goes. I have spoken with ETs' that do not understand, how we can be so advanced in our Real Space program, and yet so backward on our Home Plannet.



JUDYMOON!!!

You have nailed it right smack dab on the middle of the head with your post. It really doesn't matter who we wake up, or even should wake up. No matter what we go through, or not, is our choice, that WE, came here to do. No matter how that may sound to some, we are each, just doing our own thing. I get carried away thinking of possibilities, and sometimes go too far. And sometime that ol wabbit hole, really gets under my feathers. blah blah blah blah... there I go again.cccccccc.

ok I'll shut up now. y'all have fun.. ccc.

Ha! Please do not shut up... I love it,,, I am going to log off now,,, and watch 'They Live'.

Jake.

Mandala
7th June 2013, 23:02
Does anyone else believe that once your truly "awake", there's no going back. I honestly don't think I can unlearn all the things I've discovered and learned these last 5 years. I'm way too far down the rabbit hole.

greybeard
7th June 2013, 23:19
Does anyone else believe that once your truly "awake", there's no going back. I honestly don't think I can unlearn all the things I've discovered and learned these last 5 years. I'm way too far down the rabbit hole.

That really depends on what you mean by awake Mandala.
If you mean awake to the clandestine happenings in the world then--you are not going to forget those.
If you are heading for spiritual enlightenment, that's different, then you have to let all concepts belief systems etc go.
No longer is there a me that has to be right or to know all about what is going on in the world.
That becomes redundant and there is an increasing desire to know ultimate truth which is "What am I"
Everything else becomes secondary.
Its not a choice it seems to happen all by itself

Chris.

humanalien
7th June 2013, 23:47
I don't know how to advised you on the rest of the
people of the world but when it comes to family members,
i find that they tend not to believe them.

If you want you mom to start believing in this stuff,
go talk to one or more of her closest friends about
your finding and if they believe you, then have her
friends talk to your mom about it.

My daughter is like that to. I can tell her stuff, until
i'm blue in the face and she just looks at me like i'm
old and senile but should a friend of hers tell her the
same thing that i did, she jumps on the band wagon
and believes everything the friend told her.

People are very weird that way.....

Davidallany
7th June 2013, 23:58
As long as your intention is right, you are fine. The desired result in this case is not important only the process. I am in Loja if you want to meet up.

Fractalius
8th June 2013, 01:00
Yes, often people wishing to wake others up are only just waking up themselves and to observe these people, they are usually still overwhelmed and full of panic and fear from the revelations they have stumbled across themselves. They blurt out all number of information strands and desperately try to convince people on the spot, usually resorting to the more and more crazy sounding stories. This sort of effort is largely responsible for the reputation conspiracy theorists have been labelled with of being crackpot paranoids. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and often I have seen people driving others away from alternative news and history by being unwanted ambassadors to the cause. Loud and forcefull and provocative, they become perfect food for skeptics and agent provocateurs.

Deemah
8th June 2013, 01:34
Yes, often people wishing to wake others up are only just waking up themselves and to observe these people, they are usually still overwhelmed and full of panic and fear from the revelations they have stumbled across themselves. They blurt out all number of information strands and desperately try to convince people on the spot, usually resorting to the more and more crazy sounding stories. This sort of effort is largely responsible for the reputation conspiracy theorists have been labelled with of being crackpot paranoids. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and often I have seen people driving others away from alternative news and history by being unwanted ambassadors to the cause. Loud and forcefull and provocative, they become perfect food for skeptics and agent provocateurs.


I absolutely agree with you Fractalius!

It is very important to be grounded when exposing something so "unusual" (paradox there) to generally conditioned population.
This is very important because these very people who are freshly awakened feel very alone like they have a "burden" , it puts them on edge and they are more likely to loose their grounding.

Another point is that they often forget how many months it took them to digest and fully live with certain concepts.

Younger generation (early 20s) is more proune to wake up in a lot smoother transition, but in any case exposing too much sometimes can be a risk of traumatizing someone if they do take it all in.
Generally the older the crowd is, the longer it takes.

There for I feel the only way to succeed is to expose people over time, spoon-fulls at a time~

thunder24
8th June 2013, 01:51
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Alan
8th June 2013, 03:08
Does anyone else believe that once your truly "awake", there's no going back. I honestly don't think I can unlearn all the things I've discovered and learned these last 5 years. I'm way too far down the rabbit hole.

Oftentimes I wish I didn't know the things I know. I have a thirst for the truth and the truth can can be horrible, beyond horrible.

But I can't help it. I NEED to know!

jiminii
8th June 2013, 03:22
Yes, often people wishing to wake others up are only just waking up themselves and to observe these people, they are usually still overwhelmed and full of panic and fear from the revelations they have stumbled across themselves. They blurt out all number of information strands and desperately try to convince people on the spot, usually resorting to the more and more crazy sounding stories. This sort of effort is largely responsible for the reputation conspiracy theorists have been labelled with of being crackpot paranoids. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and often I have seen people driving others away from alternative news and history by being unwanted ambassadors to the cause. Loud and forcefull and provocative, they become perfect food for skeptics and agent provocateurs.


I absolutely agree with you Fractalius!

It is very important to be grounded when exposing something so "unusual" (paradox there) to generally conditioned population.
This is very important because these very people who are freshly awakened feel very alone like they have a "burden" , it puts them on edge and they are more likely to loose their grounding.

Another point is that they often forget how many months it took them to digest and fully live with certain concepts.

Younger generation (early 20s) is more proune to wake up in a lot smoother transition, but in any case exposing too much sometimes can be a risk of traumatizing someone if they do take it all in.
Generally the older the crowd is, the longer it takes.

There for I feel the only way to succeed is to expose people over time, spoon-fulls at a time~

it is all in the communication itself ... never evaluate and invalidate someone ... what is true for them is true for them and what is true for you is true for you.

so when you do your communication cycle ... you allow them to say what they want to say ... then DO NOT EVALUATE OR INVALIDATE WHAT THEY SAY just weave that into what you want to say ... and as long as you do that they will look at what you are saying ... they will not look if you say they are wrong and you are right or what they say should be this way or that way ... it breaks the communication and then they will not be willing to listen and look at what you want to say ...

jim

gripreaper
8th June 2013, 03:40
Here's what I do:

I walk through walls, bi-locate across long distances, remote view and feed back what I've seen to them, manifest a sandwich out of nothing right before their eyes, walk on water, dodge bullets, go without any sleep and never get tired, and guess what?

I don't have to wake anybody up because they are attracted to me and want to know what's going on. :)

Water33/6
8th June 2013, 03:42
Thank you for sharing. it helps to hear another person try to wake up ppl....I chuckle bec I've been down this road many times to no avail.... It just sucks my energy. I lost several very close friends on debating...it's useless, even to the most "well educated".

I no longer share this kind of info unless asked. I'm trying to be the change I want to see...albeit difficult and often fail but I now try to focus on how to make life more joyful.

jiminii
8th June 2013, 04:03
Here's what I do:

I walk through walls, bi-locate across long distances, remote view and feed back what I've seen to them, manifest a sandwich out of nothing right before their eyes, walk on water, dodge bullets, go without any sleep and never get tired, and guess what?

I don't have to wake anybody up because they are attracted to me and want to know what's going on. :)

maybe you can help me on the walk through walls part ... I sometimes get stuck in the middle of the wall (just kidding)

hahaha

jim

Dennis Leahy
8th June 2013, 04:05
At a neighborhood backyard impromptu "bonfire" party, one of my neighbors started talking about US email and phone surveillance. Many more of them chimed in. Then someone mentioned that the spy satellites can read newsprint, and everyone seemed to agree that they had heard that too. Everyone knows about it now, it seems. We've been talking about it for a year or three, and now it is mainstream news.

So, I'd say that the veil is dissolving a bit, and the sheeple aren't as sheeple-ish and mesmerized as we may have thought. Ordinary folks don't like the idea of being surveilled, and find it very intrusive. I think this issue will be a great wake-up call.

Keep plugging away, gently, and using the excellent advice many have offered in this thread. All who want to awaken will awaken, and maybe even quicker than many of us have been thinking.

:~)

Dennis

{edit, to add} I have a relative that sounded very much like the line in the OP: "Why don't you concentrate on good things. Just forget about this stuff and stop looking at it, stop researching, it's bad for you", and in a phone conversation the other day, he was the one that brought up the US Supreme Court decision to allow DNA swabbing whenever the cops feel like it. He was disgusted. hahahahahahah Oh, the sounds of the people awakening.

Bubu
9th June 2013, 04:29
I started by sending something that interest people as myth like UFO and mermaid. I send this on facebook because this is where people hang during their free time. But I choose credible disclosure such as the Canadian prime minister on UFO and ET's. So that while they are watching the video as myth they may realize in the middle OMG this is true that is the Canadian prime minister. The mermaid story is also related by a team of scientist, and they love scientist a lot, from there their interest might carry their own quest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9MK0uHxq88

Bubu
9th June 2013, 16:13
my idea actually is to give a hint that somethings are hidden from all people. if curiosity is arouse then one may start seeking. The mermaid thing is perfect for this if you know of anything similar i.e giants etc please share link. anyway many enlightening advice already, words of advice radiates a lot of wisdom that it surely recharge and refresh any truth seeker. just what we need, a religion on my part actually, as we are surrounded by people of negative energy normally we are drag to their world so it helps to hear your wise words.

thanks a lot to all

The Truth Is In There
11th June 2013, 10:45
be glad that you're at least allowed to talk about the topics that interest you, even though they may be far out and people may not believe you.

imagine knowing the truth, lots of hard facts, but not being allowed to reveal them to people or the public because you'd be sent to prison...for telling the truth. it's already happening, it just hasn't reached beyond one particular topic.

mischief
12th June 2013, 06:34
I found it was just best to get on with what I felt needed to be done.
Eventually I get asked why and I give them an answer based on what I know of them and how they think.

Just like planting seeds, it needs to be done gently and carefully with due regard as to what you are planting and Why.

If you are trying to broach a subject that they may not be able to do anything about, they may well just turn off straight away even if they have already noticed that particular situation-cant do anything about it,get on with what I can fix, like that bill thats due next week.

Lightheartness rather than intense dialogue seems to go down well.
If you dont know what to do about something you see that is just plain wrong, others may think it is a waste of time even thinking about it-do you have a solution you can suggest to them?

Camilo
26th June 2013, 16:41
I gave up attempting to awake others, as it's very frustrating and besides that, I realized it's an organic event on everybody's life, which will happen at the right time for every one.

WaveRider
28th June 2013, 01:35
inspiration..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-C_8skka7o&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL1Xg_yMO6sghl3MP1dKJISXYAIrqRboEJ

Hazel
28th June 2013, 02:20
Ghandi's words respond best to this for me: "Be the change you wish to see"..

Personally speaking those l've met along the way who have been the pointers (even in silence) have embodied their truths ('the truth') in ways that was a transmission to my knowing that eventually became experiential for me. Common sense says that a shift in world view is rarely something that is instantaneous. First comes the scaffolding, then the bricks, etc... and in the end the discovery of the unearthed cornerstone of self-recognition of ones place and faith in a knowing, that somehow had been there all along. Casting seeds in the paths of others is all we can do... the rest, as it should be is a very personal process and sovereign to them.

Good thread
thank you to all

vilcabamba
29th June 2013, 04:25
I just feel like it's immoral for people to stay asleep when others are being murdered. I don't know..i'm being made to feel odd for that belief. Killing others is acceptable in this society. According to New Age beliefs I have to understand that killing is ok?? B/c others are too immoral to take time away from their busy schedule of watching TV and playing computer games??? My question is..why the F.. did I bother to come to live in such an immoral place? It's disturbing that I have to accept that murder is normal in this society and accept that others don't care about the lives of other human beings. My question is..who the Heck created these new age principals? Every contactee that seems legitimate to me doesn't say the Plaeidians, Andromedans or Arcturians want us sitting on our arses making excuses for the evil and immoral people in this planet. I think the NEW AGE movement is controlled by reptilian factions that want us sitting on our arses and sucking our thumbs and saying "ooooohm!" all day long. I'm kind of sick of this. I For one am not going to take it anymore. EVERYDAY I will work my damnest to post information for sheeple everywhere there is celebrity gossip and other sheeple stupid things they care about. Yes, I was a sheeple once too. BUT..as soon as I read just one thing on a forum, I was snapped away immediately. NO excuses, no not getting it. I GOT it!!! And i'm looking for the 10% of the population that will get it. I'm not sitting around anymore talking to stupid brainless soul-less people anymore like my family. They are idiots! I don't know why the heck I was born to the biggest idiots on the planets who are immoral for their disgusting apathy.

Dr. Fred Bell who was a plaeidian contactee stated that the plaeidians said that they find the humans on this planet evil and barbaric. They said that humans on planet earth have a "Auric Stench". I understand this. Because when i'm around sheeple that are apathetic and don't care about the murdering that is going on, I feel such a disgust to their energetic stench that makes me feel sick in side I want to puke all over them. Dr. Fred Bell said that the Plaeidians can't stay working here for that long or they will get sick from the "Auric stench" or bad energy of the people here. That is what happens to me. I can't stand the evil, it make me sick. But i'm also not the type of person that can just look away. I need to push on and plant as many seeds as possible everyday.

If anyone wants to plant seeds in millions of people. There is a computer program called "scrapebox" that can send millions of blog posts to people daily. Not emails, so it's not email spam. These are blog posts so that when owners of blogs check their posts, they will read the message to WAKE THE F UP! I'm sick of beating around the bush. I'm going to charge on, as for my family members, they are idiots. The more apathy they have, the more frustrated and empowered and inwardly enraged I get, the more energy I get to shout the truth out all over the internet to wake up the masses. The frustration actually empowers me to try harder. I don't give up. I dont' believe that those who control the NEW AGE movement want us to wake people up. That is why they teach people to turn away and just accept immorality. I have never heard any contactee say that the plaedians want us to accept the immorality. Instead they urge us to wake people up and not accept it. For the planet is in big trouble. And it's up to us to awaken people. Jesus didn't sit back and just say ooohmmm. He went out and didn't give up.

Fractalius
29th June 2013, 04:58
We try to make sense of it. Those kooky new agers and their band aids. The old agers and their banjos.

It surely does not give soliace to say, you should be thankful for a reason to be angry, but that is what they scratch up to present as comfort.

However, we see that those that are asleep often aren't, they are more confused and scared. But they fly under the radar.

What if that is the perfect disguise for now?

Regularly I see that some of those, have great works to do yet.

How would we describe someone like Edward Snowden? Flying under the radar until the right time.

Sleepers. Sleeping. This is a double edged term.

Arak
29th June 2013, 07:04
"You can't blame a sapling for not being a tree yet."

I.e. If you try to wake up too young souls, you are doing against the plan. Find your own lesson and study it. It might be something like patience and respect of the free will.

And everything you do, do with love and mercy, not by brute force - that leads eventually to dark side as the frustrations grows too big.

Namaste. :)

apokalypse
29th June 2013, 09:44
i do think to awake then people have to see it for themselves and have that moment of realization, i have tried to wake people up but they just don't get it or ignore it.

right now i'm in the journey of awakening with all kind of thought coming in and feel it. 2012 is a year of step into the door and 2013 is step of passing the door feeling it. for instance right now i can really feel deep inside what Max Igan said especially Alex Collier, i have hear all the talks but it just a piece of information but now i call really feel it. i never have this feeling weird feeling mixture sadness, frustration and angry...hard to explain.

it really frustrated me seeing people stuck their head in the sand to accept current realities. Why society have to be this way? Why do you have to pay to live on a planet you were born on? it would took few generation to undo and live on utopia society.