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SilentFeathers
8th June 2013, 13:51
Any one who thinks this spying scandal is for real and that "they" are actually going to do something about it is drinking tainted and chemically treated bath water out of a meth tub.

They are just making stupid and ignorant people falsely believe that they might give a damn about our privacy, the 1st and 4th amendments (and others) right on the horizon of the birth of the largest spying super computers that are about to go online, not to mention the ones already online that are already spying on everyone.

The spying scandal is a joke and a distraction just like all the other puke spewing out of Washington.....and any one who actually thinks these slimeballs actually give a damn about us "citizens" are highly mistaken and have the stench of deception vomit on them.

Sorry to be so blunt but in this age of deception people need to wake TFUp and stop falling for vomit and stench and use their brains and see these lies and distractions for what they are.

Most here on Avalon know this but I still see "greenhorns" here occasionally posting ridiculous stuff......and caught in the trap of deception.

I'm not perfect either and fall for idiotic rhetoric occaisionally, but I have learned to IMMEDIATELY question everything with great discernment and not take a freaking thing as truth being vomited out of the MSM or the alternative format.

Discernment, Logic, and Common Sense must be a priority for everyone from now on or we will be sucked into the infection of the age of deception!............

Have a great day folks and enjoy life the best you can avoiding this disease of corruption and deception spreading like wildfire the best you can......

DeDukshyn
8th June 2013, 15:45
Fear tends to cause paralysis.

Christine
8th June 2013, 16:51
Any one who thinks this spying scandal is for real and that "they" are actually going to do something about it is drinking tainted and chemically treated bath water out of a meth tub.

They are just making stupid and ignorant people falsely believe that they might give a damn about our privacy, the 1st and 4th amendments (and others) right on the horizon of the birth of the largest spying super computers that are about to go online, not to mention the ones already online that are already spying on everyone.

The spying scandal is a joke and a distraction just like all the other puke spewing out of Washington.....and any one who actually thinks these slimeballs actually give a damn about us "citizens" are highly mistaken and have the stench of deception vomit on them.

Sorry to be so blunt but in this age of deception people need to wake TFUp and stop falling for vomit and stench and use their brains and see these lies and distractions for what they are.

Most here on Avalon know this but I still see "greenhorns" here occasionally posting ridiculous stuff......and caught in the trap of deception.

I'm not perfect either and fall for idiotic rhetoric occaisionally, but I have learned to IMMEDIATELY question everything with great discernment and not take a freaking thing as truth being vomited out of the MSM or the alternative format.

Discernment, Logic, and Common Sense must be a priority for everyone from now on or we will be sucked into the infection of the age of deception!............

Have a great day folks and enjoy life the best you can avoiding this disease of corruption and deception spreading like wildfire the best you can......

Hi SilentFeathers - can you provide a link to the which "spying scandal" you are referring to. Thanks

giovonni
8th June 2013, 17:25
i believe what you are mistaking as a so called 'spying scandal' - is perhaps those in the mainstream who are finally awakening (especially here in America) to an ongoing fact... i am sensing you have never been under close hand state initiated and controlled surveillance... But i have and it is not funny nor a joke...

Please note... i have close family members who have worked for the government in these capacities...

Though i still manage to have very nice and wonderful days - most of the time. :)

An example of fact ...

NSA Headquaters ~ Fort Meade reservation Maryland

https://media.azpm.org/master/img/spot/nova_nsa_headquarters_450_252.jpg


The Federal Bureau of Investigations cyber intelligence and research division

http://blog.jammer-store.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/fbi-surveillance-van.jpg

Paul
8th June 2013, 17:40
Hi SilentFeathers - can you provide a link to the which "spying scandal" you are referring to. Thanks
I presume SilentFeathers refers to the common theme running through these threads:

Obama Orders Verizon to Spy on Americans (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59814-Obama-Orders-Verizon-to-Spy-on-Americans)
For Yahoo and Gmail Users (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59759-For-Yahoo-and-Gmail-Users)
Documents: U.S. mining data from 9 leading Internet firms; companies (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59815-Documents-U.S.-mining-data-from-9-leading-Internet-firms-companies-deny-knowledge)

gripreaper
8th June 2013, 17:52
Hi SilentFeathers - can you provide a link to the which "spying scandal" you are referring to. Thanks
I presume SilentFeathers refers to the common theme running through these threads:

Obama Orders Verizon to Spy on Americans (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59814-Obama-Orders-Verizon-to-Spy-on-Americans)
For Yahoo and Gmail Users (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59759-For-Yahoo-and-Gmail-Users)
Documents: U.S. mining data from 9 leading Internet firms; companies (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59815-Documents-U.S.-mining-data-from-9-leading-Internet-firms-companies-deny-knowledge)


Oh, that's already been debunked this morning :)

Mark Zuckerberg (Facebook) and Larry Paige (Google) both came out and denied any relation to the NSA and "Prism"

ROFLMAO!!
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/08/article-0-16F5EFFC000005DC-937_308x425.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/08/article-0-0CD86FD2000005DC-759_308x425.jpg

Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg has strongly denied any link between his website and a controversial US internet monitoring programme.

Zuckerberg posted a message last night describing reports linking Facebook to the secret PRISM system as 'outrageous'.

He said that he had not even heard of PRISM until reports broke on Thursday and vowed to fight 'aggressively' to keep users' details secure.

Google CEO Larry Page echoed Zuckerberg's denial as he issued a statement distancing his company from the scheme.

The search engine's chief lawyer David Drummond also said that media reports linking Google to PRISM were false.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2337863/PRISM-Facebook-Google-deny-knowledge-secret-government-spying-initiative.html#ixzz2VeFxcehM

So, there you have it! The truth! :p :rolleyes:

I guess they wont be needing this building now, the Utah data center.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/08/article-0-1A30AA95000005DC-779_638x275.jpg

Paul
8th June 2013, 18:19
I guess they wont be needing this building now, the Utah data center.
Ah - good thing I retired when I did then. I was working on the multi-thousand CPU, multi-terabyte RAM, single system image computer which I have a sneaking suspicion was destined for that facility. It looks like that revenue stream for my former employer should be drying up now, right?

... right ?

naste.de.lumina
8th June 2013, 18:27
http://www.osvigaristas.com.br/imagens/animais/gato-enganado-5694.jpg

Deemah
8th June 2013, 20:23
I feel the truth is there are multiple layers of deception, there a various double agents
and chain of events which are cleverly designed to imply a specific reaction from the public.

Sometimes the way to see through all this is by intuition, mind gets easily overwhelmed
by trying to emulate all possibilities of what's going in.

Going into yourself and staying grounded I feel is important for many people at this time~

L&L

DeDukshyn
8th June 2013, 20:39
If US goes to war, If US or global economy collapses, etc. etc. the main ones who can stop them are their people. Spying vs setting things up for a state of absolute control in the face of crisis is what is happening ....

Call it spying, call it this call it that ... it is about gaining superiority in the expectation of a civil war. They have plans not yet executed, but they already have expectations ...

My 2 cents, take it or leave it ;)

fifi
9th June 2013, 00:03
This article on CNN is kind of funny
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/07/tech/social-media/snooping-web-reaction/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

especially this picture
http://proxy.storify.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FBMGwIhkC QAE3sm4.png

And some of the TWEET are funny

#NSACalledToTellMethat next time a politician says "I am listening to YOU" they really mean it.

#NSACalledToTellMe What Happens in Vegas, stays in our Utah data center.

Ugh, my mom is now on PRISM

#NSACalledToTellMe to fix the virus on my computer so that it will stop infecting theirs.

SilentFeathers
9th June 2013, 01:26
Don't worry about it, it was just a mistake :)

Officials: NSA mistakenly intercepted emails, phone calls of innocent Americans
http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/07/18831985-officials-nsa-mistakenly-intercepted-emails-phone-calls-of-innocent-americans

2+2=4

Assange: US rule of law suffering 'calamitous collapse' (http://www.france24.com/en/20130608-assange-us-rule-law-suffering-calamitous-collapse)

2+2=3

Government to open criminal probe into leaks about leaks... (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/08/us-usa-security-leaks-idUSBRE95700K20130608)

Honestly, I feel bulls**t is a more proper word to use than scandal.....

InCiDeR
9th June 2013, 11:43
I agree that this has to be some kind of distraction... because this been ongoing since 1947 in one way or another... but distraction from what?

War in Syria? Protests in Turkey? Ufo fleet arriving behind the moon?

Is it a way to cause fear in people to not use facebook, twitter and similar to syncronize protests? If you do, they will sure know who you are and get you.

...or maybe it distracts us from not looking into other possible surveillance like TV, lamps, nano robots etc etc, If we are not connected to internet we are "protected" from surveillance LOL.

northstar
9th June 2013, 11:57
I agree that this has to be some kind of distraction... because this been ongoing since 1947 in one way or another... but distraction from what?

War in Syria? Protests in Turkey? Ufo fleet arriving behind the moon?

Is it a way to cause fear in people to not use facebook, twitter and similar to syncronize protests? If you do, they will sure know who you are and get you.

...or maybe it distracts us from not looking into other possible surveillance like TV, lamps, nano robots etc etc, If we not connected to internet we are "protected" from surveillance LOL.


Excellent ideas.
The most efficient and speedy delivery mechanism for the sovereign mind virus is the internet.
If you can prevent free expression on the internet you can put those who are beginning to awaken back to sleep.

SilentFeathers
9th June 2013, 12:07
I agree that this has to be some kind of distraction... because this been ongoing since 1947 in one way or another... but distraction from what?

War in Syria? Protests in Turkey? Ufo fleet arriving behind the moon?

Is it a way to cause fear in people to not use facebook, twitter and similar to syncronize protests? If you do, they will sure know who you are and get you.

...or maybe it distracts us from not looking into other possible surveillance like TV, lamps, nano robots etc etc, If we not connected to internet we are "protected" from surveillance LOL.

I can almost promise you that the majority of the population are not even paying attention to this, and if they are they don't care one way or another....ask most people and they accept invasion of privacy and enslavement and will tell you, "I'm all for it if it keeps me safe".

It's a mind game distraction to make most of those actually paying attention think that our saviors and caretakers (gov) actually give a rats ass and are acknowledging that it is wrong to do this and that they are gonna get to the bottom of this "scandal" and fix and stop it when actually they don't give a rats ass and are about to radically do it more and take all your privacy away.

Those that see this for what it really is are VERY VERY few in number and are also the ones being targeted the most.

InCiDeR
9th June 2013, 12:23
I agree that this has to be some kind of distraction... because this been ongoing since 1947 in one way or another... but distraction from what?

War in Syria? Protests in Turkey? Ufo fleet arriving behind the moon?

Is it a way to cause fear in people to not use facebook, twitter and similar to syncronize protests? If you do, they will sure know who you are and get you.

...or maybe it distracts us from not looking into other possible surveillance like TV, lamps, nano robots etc etc, If we not connected to internet we are "protected" from surveillance LOL.

I can almost promise you that the majority of the population are not even paying attention to this, and if they are they don't care one way or another....ask most people and they accept invasion of privacy and enslavement and will tell you, "I'm all for it if it keeps me safe".

It's a mind game distraction to make most of those actually paying attention think that our saviors and caretakers (gov) actually give a rats ass and are acknowledging that it is wrong to do this and that they are gonna get to the bottom of this "scandal" and fix and stop it when actually they don't give a rats ass and are about to radically do it more and take all your privacy away.

Those that see this for what it really is are VERY VERY few in number and are also the ones being targeted the most.

Agreed. I was a bit unclear, I was referring to those who starting to wake up. "They" know that the aware ones watching this closely, but it doesn't seem to bother them. They are simply not afraid at all. Why? Are they really sure that they have everything under control?.. or they just want us to believe so?

RMorgan
9th June 2013, 15:08
Hey mate,

Every single email and phone call is stored by the USA; not only from America, but from all over the world. This "news" reflects just a small fraction of what really happens indeed.

Personally, I always knew about that, but for the press, this was just another reason for ridiculing people involved in "conspiracy theories". At least this subject is now a conspiracy theory "officially" converted to truth.

Anyway, the US government doesn´t need any company´s authorization to intercept their client´s data; We know they have the tech to do so whenever they want, remaining completely undetected.

This whole PRISMA thing is just part of a much bigger scheme...We know that, right?

Raf.

InCiDeR
9th June 2013, 15:13
Hey mate,

Every single email and phone call is stored by the USA; not only from America, but from all over the world. This "news" reflects just a small fraction of what really happens indeed.

Personally, I always knew about that, but for the press, this was just another reason for ridiculing people involved in "conspiracy theories". At least this subject is now a conspiracy theory "officially" converted to truth.

Anyway, the US government doesn´t need any company´s authorization to intercept their client´s data; We know they have the tech to do so whenever they want, remaining completely undetected.

This whole PRISMA thing is just part of a much bigger scheme...We know that, right?

Raf.

Absolutely, that is why I wonder what they are after. Because they also know that we know...

naste.de.lumina
9th June 2013, 16:06
Hey mate,

Every single email and phone call is stored by the USA; not only from America, but from all over the world. This "news" reflects just a small fraction of what really happens indeed.

Personally, I always knew about that, but for the press, this was just another reason for ridiculing people involved in "conspiracy theories". At least this subject is now a conspiracy theory "officially" converted to truth.

Anyway, the US government doesn´t need any company´s authorization to intercept their client´s data; We know they have the tech to do so whenever they want, remaining completely undetected.

This whole PRISMA thing is just part of a much bigger scheme...We know that, right?

Raf.

Absolutely, that is why I wonder what they are after. Because they also know that we know...

First Intimidation psychological fear factor.
Secondly they are constantly evaluating the size (us) resistance (discomfort), collecting data from these people for possible future use against them and trying to mine it with misinformation.
Surely they have done the plan a, b​​, c, and more.
The biggest problem of them is the law of Murph and the consequences that can not be measured from this event become uncontrollable.


When the population begins to reflect, all is lost.
Author - Voltaire

My question is .... all is lost for whom?

RMorgan
9th June 2013, 16:20
Hey mate,

Every single email and phone call is stored by the USA; not only from America, but from all over the world. This "news" reflects just a small fraction of what really happens indeed.

Personally, I always knew about that, but for the press, this was just another reason for ridiculing people involved in "conspiracy theories". At least this subject is now a conspiracy theory "officially" converted to truth.

Anyway, the US government doesn´t need any company´s authorization to intercept their client´s data; We know they have the tech to do so whenever they want, remaining completely undetected.

This whole PRISMA thing is just part of a much bigger scheme...We know that, right?

Raf.

Absolutely, that is why I wonder what they are after. Because they also know that we know...

Yes...

We know they had created the internet for another reason (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=636236#post636236) other than spying on people, so the spying part of the deal is just a consequence of it.

This PRISMA scandal is just a distraction. Actually, they want to polemicise the subject, to give people the impression that their personal data is somewhat important for the government...As always, people will waste their time endlessly debating another superficial issue...Remember the illusionist method: Make people look to one hand while performing the trick with another.

The fact is, they couldn´t care less about the identities attached to the data; What they are really after is the raw data itself, so they can have as much data as possible to finish modeling their long awaited "god", which is the all seeing eye on top of the pyramid, the artificial omniscient collective unconsciousness, which will be responsible for managing the world and ruling mankind somewhere in the future.

They simply need to have access to every internet enabled computer in the world, to use them as artificial neural nodes; The data itself they will use to create a huge knowledge database and an accurate cognitive model of the human collective unconsciousness.

This thing goes so deep into the rabbit hole, that it´s impressively hard to keep up, if not impossible; It reaches the very limit of our intellectual capacity.

All I know is that there´s only one real conspiracy going on in the world; The rest is just deliberately created distractions.

Anyway, things might become more clear after September this year, when the NSA intends to inaugurate the biggest data processing center (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/) in the world, in Utah...Let´s wait and see what happens after this part of the project becomes active.

Raf.

naste.de.lumina
9th June 2013, 16:51
Synchronicity.
Today leaving home I noticed the name of this company linings which is located virtually opposite the building where I live.:censored: :bs:

http://prismarevestimentos.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/maringa.jpg

InCiDeR
9th June 2013, 17:31
Hey mate,

Every single email and phone call is stored by the USA; not only from America, but from all over the world. This "news" reflects just a small fraction of what really happens indeed.

Personally, I always knew about that, but for the press, this was just another reason for ridiculing people involved in "conspiracy theories". At least this subject is now a conspiracy theory "officially" converted to truth.

Anyway, the US government doesn´t need any company´s authorization to intercept their client´s data; We know they have the tech to do so whenever they want, remaining completely undetected.

This whole PRISMA thing is just part of a much bigger scheme...We know that, right?

Raf.

Absolutely, that is why I wonder what they are after. Because they also know that we know...

Yes...

We know they had created the internet for another reason (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=636236#post636236) other than spying on people, so the spying part of the deal is just a consequence of it.

This PRISMA scandal is just a distraction. Actually, they want to polemicise the subject, to give people the impression that their personal data is somewhat important for the government...As always, people will waste their time endlessly debating another superficial issue...Remember the illusionist method: Make people look to one hand while performing the trick with another.

The fact is, they couldn´t care less about the identities attached to the data; What they are really after is the raw data itself, so they can have as much data as possible to finish modeling their long awaited "god", which is the all seeing eye on top of the pyramid, the artificial omniscient collective unconsciousness, which will be responsible for managing the world and ruling mankind somewhere in the future.

They simply need to have access to every internet enabled computer in the world, to use them as artificial neural nodes; The data itself they will use to create a huge knowledge database and an accurate cognitive model of the human collective unconsciousness.

This thing goes so deep into the rabbit hole, that it´s impressively hard to keep up, if not impossible; It reaches the very limit of our intellectual capacity.

All I know is that there´s only one real conspiracy going on in the world; The rest is just deliberately created distractions.

Anyway, things might become more clear after September this year, when the NSA intends to inaugurate the biggest data processing center (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/) in the world, in Utah...Let´s wait and see what happens after this part of the project becomes active.

Raf.

Agreed. I also pondering about if they haven't already awoken something. These infamous black energy forms called "Scuttlers", covered a bit in this (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59145-Super-Soldiers-remote-viewing-programme-is-real-military-witness-and-remote-viewer&p=680471&viewfull=1#post680471) post and this (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59145-Super-Soldiers-remote-viewing-programme-is-real-military-witness-and-remote-viewer&p=680481&viewfull=1#post680481)

cLD1s33H28Y

I think this TV-show is pretty interesting regarding this phenomena:

Person of Interest (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1839578/?ref_=sr_1)


A billionaire software-genius named Harold Finch creates a Machine for the government that is designed to detect acts of terror before they can happen, by monitoring the entire world by monitoring every cell-phone, email and surveillance camera. Finch discovered that the machine sees everything, potential terrorist acts and violent crimes that involve ordinary people.

When the government considered violent crimes between normal people "irrelevant", Finch built a back door into the system that gives him the social security number of a person involved in a future violent crime so he could act. Partnered with John Reese, an ex-CIA agent, the two work in secret to prevent violent crimes before they can happen.

Eventually their activities lead to being hunted by the New York Police Department, CIA Agents in pursuit of Reese who was listed as dead, a computer hacker named Root who wants access to the Machine, and government officials who want to keep all knowledge of the Machine a complete ...

RMorgan
9th June 2013, 17:57
Agreed. I also pondering about if they haven't already awoken something. These infamous black energy forms called "Scuttlers", covered a bit in this (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59145-Super-Soldiers-remote-viewing-programme-is-real-military-witness-and-remote-viewer&p=680471&viewfull=1#post680471) post and this (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59145-Super-Soldiers-remote-viewing-programme-is-real-military-witness-and-remote-viewer&p=680481&viewfull=1#post680481)


Well, I´m quite familiar with the so called scuttlers; I´ve been having direct experiences with them for quite some time now.

I used to call them shadow spiders, but after a little bit of research, I realized a few people call them scuttlers, so I adhered to the term, which is quite adequate.

There´s info about them in the The Technological Revolution: Artificial Intelligence and the Invisible Plague thread, starting at post #3 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=627866&viewfull=1#post627866), but unfortunately we still don´t know much about them.

The scuttlers are to our minds, the same as web spiders/crawlers are to web search engines; They monitor and collect data.

Basically, they are digital creatures who are able to transcend the digital environment and collect data directly from our minds.

Weird little creatures...As much as I try, I really can´t figure them out completely.

Anyway, as I said before, this thing reaches the limits of my intellectual power; Whoever is behind it, have made it so complex that it´s close to impossible to decipher it completely.

I suspect we´ll only figure it out when it´s done.

The hardware is almost completely finished, but once the "thing" is alive, it will require enormous quantities of energy. I suspect CERN is responsible for finding a proper energy source; That´s why they had shut it down temporally for repairs and adjustments.

They´ll first activate the Utah data center for preliminary tests, and then they´ll reactivate CERN which I believe will be responsible for channeling whatever kind of energy is necessary to finally give birth to this entity.

Raf.

Paul
9th June 2013, 20:06
Oh, that's already been debunked this morning :)

Mark Zuckerberg (Facebook) and Larry Paige (Google) both came out and denied any relation to the NSA and "Prism"

Ed Bott has a different take on this unraveling, in his article The real story in the NSA scandal is the collapse of journalism (http://www.zdnet.com/the-real-story-in-the-nsa-scandal-is-the-collapse-of-journalism-7000016570/)

His summary, in his own words:




A bombshell story published in the Washington Post this week alleged that the NSA had enlisted nine tech giants, including Microsoft, Google, Facebook, and Apple, in a massive program of online spying. Now the story is unraveling, and the Post has quietly changed key details. What went wrong?
His article provides a number of interesting details and screen shots, on how this story was published and then changed over the first day.

He presents a persuasive case that it was mostly just a botched reporting job.

SilentFeathers
9th June 2013, 20:38
...and this guy is suppose to be responsible for blowing this scandal wide open????? hmmmm? I find this a bit suspicious.


Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind the NSA surveillance revelations
The 29-year-old source behind the biggest intelligence leak in the NSA's history explains his motives, his uncertain future and why he never intended on hiding in the shadows
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance

Paul
9th June 2013, 22:48
...and this guy is suppose to be responsible for blowing this scandal wide open????? hmmmm? I find this a bit suspicious.


Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind the NSA surveillance revelations
The 29-year-old source behind the biggest intelligence leak in the NSA's history explains his motives, his uncertain future and why he never intended on hiding in the shadows
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance

For those interested, more contents of this report from the Guardian are posted at:

Boundless Informant: the NSA's secret tool to track global surveillance data (Post #4) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59888-Boundless-Informant-the-NSA-s-secret-tool-to-track-global-surveillance-data&p=685448&viewfull=1#post685448)
Boundless Informant: the NSA's secret tool to track global surveillance data (Post #5) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59888-Boundless-Informant-the-NSA-s-secret-tool-to-track-global-surveillance-data&p=685449&viewfull=1#post685449)
Documents: U.S. mining data from 9 leading Internet firms; companies deny knowledge (Post #20) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59815-Documents-U.S.-mining-data-from-9-leading-Internet-firms-companies-deny-knowledge&p=685437&viewfull=1#post685437)

Warlock
9th June 2013, 23:41
With the revealing of Echelon and Carnivore, you can bet your full net worth that PRISM was, and had been, in full operation.

With the revealing of PRISM, there is something much more efficient that is, and has been, operating for some time.

That is why it is safe, at this time, for TPTB to get you all worked up over this.

It's not what you see, it's what you don't see.

Rather, it's what they LET you see.

Warlock :wizard:

InCiDeR
10th June 2013, 01:24
With the revealing of Echelon and Carnivore, you can bet your full net worth that PRISM was, and had been, in full operation.

With the revealing of PRISM, there is something much more efficient that is, and has been, operating for some time.

That is why it is safe, at this time, for TPTB to get you all worked up over this.

It's not what you see, it's what you don't see.

Rather, it's what they LET you see.

Warlock :wizard:

Yeps, and I believe TEMPEST (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_(codename)) is one of them:


Tempest (often spelled TEMPEST) is a codename referring to investigations and studies of compromising emanations (CE). Compromising emanations are defined as unintentional intelligence-bearing signals which, if intercepted and analyzed, may disclose the information transmitted, received, handled, or otherwise processed by any information-processing equipment.

Compromising emanations consist of electrical, mechanical, or acoustical energy intentionally or by mishap unintentionally emitted by any number of sources within equipment/systems which process national security information. This energy may relate to the original pre- or non-encrypted message, or information being processed, in such a way that it can lead to recovery of the plaintext. Laboratory and field tests have established that such CE can be propagated through space and along nearby conductors.

The interception/propagation ranges and analysis of such emanations are affected by a variety of factors, e.g., the functional design of the information processing equipment; system/equipment installation; and, environmental conditions related to physical security and ambient noise. The term "compromising emanations" rather than "radiation" is used because the compromising signals can, and do, exist in several forms such as magnetic- and/or electric field radiation, line conduction, or acoustic emissions.

The term "Tempest" is often used broadly for the entire field of emission security or emanations security (EMSEC). The term "Tempest" was coined in the late 1960s and early 1970s as a codename for the National Security Agency operation to secure electronic communications equipment from potential eavesdroppers and vice versa the ability to intercept and interpret those signals from other sources[citation needed].

The U.S. government has stated that the term TEMPEST is not an acronym and does not have any particular meaning. However, various backronyms have been suggested, including "Transmitted Electro-Magnetic Pulse / Energy Standards & Testing", "Telecommunications ElectroMagnetic Protection, Equipment, Standards & Techniques", "Transient ElectroMagnetic Pulse Emanation STandard", and "Telecommunications Electronics Material Protected from Emanating Spurious Transmissions". As a joke - but just as factually possible as other attempts - the phrase "Tiny ElectroMagnetic Particles Emitting Secret Things" has been suggested.


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Introduction to TEMPEST Attacks (http://www.surasoft.com/articles/tempest.php)

TEMPEST Attacks work on the principle that electronic devices such as monitors and fax machines emit electromagnetic radiation during normal use. With correct equipment such as antennas, receivers and display units an attacker could in theory intercept those emissions from a remote location (from across the street perhaps) and then replay the information that was captured. Imagine if this were possible how it could be misused to violate your privacy. Closing doors and blinds wouldn't do anything to stop a TEMPEST attack. If your monitor was displaying sensitive material then it would be exposed. However don't become paranoid for it's extremely difficult to execute an attack to "capture" what's being displayed, but in theory it's certainly possible.

TEMPEST Attacks are passive

Such an attack is passive in that it cannot be detected. A device emits compromising radiation which could be reconstructed from a remote location. This means that you cannot detect it as the device is not in any way connected/installed on your system. To simply put it your computer can't detect a guy down the street with equipment trying picking up radio emissions from your monitor.

How it works

All electronic devices big or small may emit low-level electromagnetic radiation. In fact your CPU chip is probably doing it right now. This happens whenever an electric current changes in voltage and thus generates electromagnetic pulses that radiate as invisible radio waves. These electromagnetic radio waves can carry a great distance in ideal situations.

Monitors that contain a CRT system contain an electron gun in the back of the picture tube which transmits a beam of electrons. When the electrons strike the screen they cause the pixels to light up (fluoresce). This beam scans across the screen from top to bottom very rapidly in a repetitive manner, line by line, flashing on and off, making the screen light and dark thus creating the viewed image. These changes in the high voltage system of the monitor generate the signal that TEMPEST monitoring equipment receive, process (reconstruct) and finally view.

Unshielded cables such as those from your computer to your monitor can act like an antenna which instantly increases the signal thus increasing the distance which a TEMPEST device may be located. A telephone line connection to your computer may also act as an antenna and that could also increase the distance to some lengths.

A simple example to highlight all this is done by using a simple vacuum cleaner and your TV. The motor in the vacuum generates an electromagnetic frequency which can sometimes be picked up by your TV (no doubt with the aid of an indoor antenna) and is displayed as fuzzy lines or snow which we end up calling interference. Of course emitted electromagnetic radiation doesn't contain any information and the interference we see is more annoying than useful.

Take the above example and replace the vacuum with a Video Display Unit (a privative version before VGA) and the TV with some surveillance antenna and a similar display unit. The electron gun in the display unit fires electrons to general the view on screen. Whilst this is happening there is radiation that leaks from the cable and the Video unit itself. It's certainly possible to attempt to pick up this electromagnetic "interference" and attempt to display on another screen hence a 3rd party could potentially see what's on your screen.

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Read more (http://www.blackbox.com/resources/blackboxexplains.aspx?id=BBE_4948)

DeDukshyn
11th June 2013, 23:39
Hey mate,

Every single email and phone call is stored by the USA; not only from America, but from all over the world. This "news" reflects just a small fraction of what really happens indeed.

Personally, I always knew about that, but for the press, this was just another reason for ridiculing people involved in "conspiracy theories". At least this subject is now a conspiracy theory "officially" converted to truth.

Anyway, the US government doesn´t need any company´s authorization to intercept their client´s data; We know they have the tech to do so whenever they want, remaining completely undetected.

This whole PRISMA thing is just part of a much bigger scheme...We know that, right?

Raf.

Absolutely, that is why I wonder what they are after. Because they also know that we know...

I think them knowing we know is driving the situation. First they found out we know a lot, then they need to know exactly how much. Then they need to make plans, and prepare for civil war in case their plans turn messy. If they are planning on disclusore ... (we can only hope) they may well be expecting **** to hit the fan. We aren't going to be happy when we all find out the extent of the lies that have governed us for the last X hundred years or more. So in their eyes "know your enemy" is valid -- for a future expectation ...

My 2 cents ;)

MadMax1
12th June 2013, 02:28
I agree with you RMorgan i am sure they have been tracking and collecting data since the internet was invented, heck the amount of tracking cookies that build up in your pc just from normal websites should prove that. As far as it being some sort of distraction tactic i'm not sure if that's correct or not but it's possible though i guess. If it is a distracion tactic does anyone have an idea as to why they would do it ? I live in Australia so am only following what i see about this whole PRISM thing on news headlines and the paper and internet. And as far as the ceo of google and the creater of facebook coming out and saying it's not real and they not heard of PRISM, is it possible that they have been told by the government to make these statements??. Because if they are correct then why is the US government making such an effort to track down Edward Snowden for releasing this information. Forgive me for appearing as a greenhorn here i am just trying to sort fact from fiction about this and why people believe it's either correct or if it is some sort of attempt to guage the publics reaction to such a thing being real.

Dennis Leahy
12th June 2013, 02:57
Any one who thinks this spying scandal is for real and that "they" are actually going to do something about it is drinking tainted and chemically treated bath water out of a meth tub.

They are just making stupid and ignorant people falsely believe that they might give a damn about our privacy, the 1st and 4th amendments (and others) right on the horizon of the birth of the largest spying super computers that are about to go online, not to mention the ones already online that are already spying on everyone.

The spying scandal is a joke and a distraction just like all the other puke spewing out of Washington.....and any one who actually thinks these slimeballs actually give a damn about us "citizens" are highly mistaken and have the stench of deception vomit on them.

Sorry to be so blunt but in this age of deception people need to wake TFUp and stop falling for vomit and stench and use their brains and see these lies and distractions for what they are.

Most here on Avalon know this but I still see "greenhorns" here occasionally posting ridiculous stuff......and caught in the trap of deception.

I'm not perfect either and fall for idiotic rhetoric occaisionally, but I have learned to IMMEDIATELY question everything with great discernment and not take a freaking thing as truth being vomited out of the MSM or the alternative format.

Discernment, Logic, and Common Sense must be a priority for everyone from now on or we will be sucked into the infection of the age of deception!............

Have a great day folks and enjoy life the best you can avoiding this disease of corruption and deception spreading like wildfire the best you can......Hi SilentFeathers,

At first, I thought I knew what you were saying, but on rereading, it appears to be the opposite of what I was thinking.

So, we have Edward Snowden whistleblowing on the NSA (I'm assuming that, or the reaction to it, is what prompted you to start a thread.)

Are you saying:
a.) Edward Snowden is not a real whistleblower, but a US government shill?
or
b.) the US government's public relations reaction, pretending to care about citizens rights to privacy is a lie and BS?

I'm agreeing with you if you meant "b", but I'd have to disagree if you meant "a."

Thanks in advance for clearing it up.

This segment, "puke spewing out of Washington.....and any one who actually thinks these slimeballs actually give a damn about us "citizens" are highly mistaken and have the stench of deception vomit on them." make me think you meant "b", but the title of the thread sounds more like "a."

In this sentence, "Any one who thinks this spying scandal is for real and that "they" are actually going to do something about... " the first part ("Any one who thinks this spying scandal is for real") sounds like "a", but the rest of that sentence (up to where I quoted) sounds like "b."

Thanks!

Dennis
p.s. the phrase, "drinking tainted and chemically treated bath water out of a meth tub", made me laugh out loud. :~)

Cognitive Dissident
12th June 2013, 03:17
Dennis, I agree with you that b) is correct, but there are interesting theories that it may not be as simple as "a) is not true" (not that I am saying he is a shill).

I posted this on another thread, but anyway. The basic theory is that Snowden is acting (probably unwittingly) for the CIA in their ongoing war with the NSA. It's from Jon Rappoport. I think he may be onto something. I'll just quote a few paragraphs, here's the link:

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2...le-in-the-nsa/

"Ed Snowden, NSA leaker. Honest man. Doing what was right. Bravo.

That still doesn’t preclude the possibility that, unknown to him, he was managed by people to put him the right place to expose NSA secrets.

Snowden’s exposure of NSA was a righteous act, because that agency is a RICO criminal. But that doesn’t mean we have the whole story.

How many people work in classified jobs for the NSA? And here is one man, Snowden, who is working for Booz Allen, an outside contractor, but is assigned to NSA, and he can get access to, and copy, documents that expose the spying collaboration between NSA and the biggest tech companies in the world—and he can get away with it.

If so, then NSA is a sieve leaking out of all holes. Because that means a whole lot of other, higher NSA employees can likewise steal these documents. Many, many other people can copy them and take them. Poof.

If the NSA is not a sieve, it’s quite correct to suspect Snowden, a relatively low-level man, was guided and helped.

Does that diminish what Snowden accomplished? No. But it casts it in a different light."

Dennis Leahy
12th June 2013, 03:54
Dennis, I agree with you that b) is correct, but there are interesting theories that it may not be as simple as "a) is not true" (not that I am saying he is a shill).

I posted this on another thread, but anyway. The basic theory is that Snowden is acting (probably unwittingly) for the CIA in their ongoing war with the NSA. It's from Jon Rappoport. I think he may be onto something. I'll just quote a few paragraphs, here's the link:

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2...le-in-the-nsa/

"Ed Snowden, NSA leaker. Honest man. Doing what was right. Bravo.

That still doesn’t preclude the possibility that, unknown to him, he was managed by people to put him the right place to expose NSA secrets.

Snowden’s exposure of NSA was a righteous act, because that agency is a RICO criminal. But that doesn’t mean we have the whole story.

How many people work in classified jobs for the NSA? And here is one man, Snowden, who is working for Booz Allen, an outside contractor, but is assigned to NSA, and he can get access to, and copy, documents that expose the spying collaboration between NSA and the biggest tech companies in the world—and he can get away with it.

If so, then NSA is a sieve leaking out of all holes. Because that means a whole lot of other, higher NSA employees can likewise steal these documents. Many, many other people can copy them and take them. Poof.

If the NSA is not a sieve, it’s quite correct to suspect Snowden, a relatively low-level man, was guided and helped.

Does that diminish what Snowden accomplished? No. But it casts it in a different light."I think some of the most powerful parts of this scenario were accomplished simply by Snowden's countenance and believability while he told us that every US citizen is being spied upon. I know our adversaries would have no trouble using any situation to their advantage, and now that a fat fish has fallen into our lap, we shouldn't hesitate - we should pass it straight-through (no spin added) to the group of people who did NOT already know this is true. There is a visceral reaction that comes from hearing something powerful, delivered by someone believable.

So, let's use it. Maybe it is a catalyzing event that will force tens of millions of people awake. Or semi-awake.

Dennis

gripreaper
12th June 2013, 04:02
So, let's use it. Maybe it is a catalyzing event that will force tens of millions of people awake. Or semi-awake. Dennis

As always Dennis, a very balanced perspective. Why do the elite always take advantage of a situation, no matter how it comes about? They know how energy works. They want to dissipate it rather than unify it.

We want unity, right? So, let's do e-mail blasts and tell all our friends and relatives the truth...that there is no privacy, that their government has been hijacked, that the country is bankrupt, and that we must put aside the things that make us different and stand in non-violent unity (energetically with intention) to NOT keep feeding the beast anymore.

gripreaper
12th June 2013, 04:11
And the "joke" is about to escalate:

Nine Companies Tied to PRISM, Obama Will Be Smacked With Class-Action Lawsuit Wednesday

Klayman told U.S. News he will file a second class-action lawsuit Wednesday in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia targeting government officials and each of the nine companies listed in a leaked National Security Agency slideshow as participants in the government's PRISM program.

According to the slideshow, the PRISM program allows government agents direct, real-time access to the servers of nine major tech companies, including AOL, Apple, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, PalTalk, Skype, Yahoo! and YouTube.

http://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram/articles/2013/06/11/nine-companies-tied-to-prism-obama-will-be-smacked-with-class-action-lawsuit-wednesday

Makes me wonder if this is part of the dialectic to bring in the elite's new synthesis. Remember, they play both sides.

It would be helpful if more people understood the "District of Columbia" and would realize it is a country unto itself which resides right in the heart of America, and is NOT subject to any National Laws or rules. And don't forget, the entire government posing as "These Unites States" Constitutional representative republic, is a lie, a sham, and a fraud operating right within the ten square miles of the District of Columbia.

So, keep your eyes open and play this one right.

Octavusprime
12th June 2013, 04:33
Dennis, I agree with you that b) is correct, but there are interesting theories that it may not be as simple as "a) is not true" (not that I am saying he is a shill).

I posted this on another thread, but anyway. The basic theory is that Snowden is acting (probably unwittingly) for the CIA in their ongoing war with the NSA. It's from Jon Rappoport. I think he may be onto something. I'll just quote a few paragraphs, here's the link:

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2...le-in-the-nsa/

"Ed Snowden, NSA leaker. Honest man. Doing what was right. Bravo.

That still doesn’t preclude the possibility that, unknown to him, he was managed by people to put him the right place to expose NSA secrets.

Snowden’s exposure of NSA was a righteous act, because that agency is a RICO criminal. But that doesn’t mean we have the whole story.

How many people work in classified jobs for the NSA? And here is one man, Snowden, who is working for Booz Allen, an outside contractor, but is assigned to NSA, and he can get access to, and copy, documents that expose the spying collaboration between NSA and the biggest tech companies in the world—and he can get away with it.

If so, then NSA is a sieve leaking out of all holes. Because that means a whole lot of other, higher NSA employees can likewise steal these documents. Many, many other people can copy them and take them. Poof.

If the NSA is not a sieve, it’s quite correct to suspect Snowden, a relatively low-level man, was guided and helped.

Does that diminish what Snowden accomplished? No. But it casts it in a different light."

I'm thinking the same way. There is no way that information this sensitive would not be electronically protected. They would know who has printed, copied and viewed all documentation. So either snowden is a very capable computer hacker that covered his tracks or he was allowed to take this information.

Both are plausible. He was assigned to the NSA for his computer skills after all. If he was allowed to blow the lid, the question becomes why... Many have stated some possibilities.

My guess is they want to address this false scandal with some rediculous bill. Meanwhile they continue spying with the upmost vigor.

Later when someone mentions the possibility of government spying on its people, the masses will have already been programmed to believe that the issue was dealt with. If we don't truly deal with this threat now, we may lose our strongest opportunity to stop it.

Shutting down the super computer sounds like a good start....

jbins
12th June 2013, 05:56
IMO this whole thing stinks of a limited hangout with an american julian assange frontman. Seems nothing gets major play on the MSM without being carefully considered and crafted for utmost planned effect.

After reading through a bunch of the Technological Revolution thread today I think ya'll are onto something. I will admit though, i am somewhat interested to see what card gets tossed next, they've been throwing them down at a very fast pace lately.

Water33/6
12th June 2013, 06:14
Just my 2 cents, but what if they are letting the cat out of the bag so to speak so they condition us to accept this as perfectly normal now, even though they've been spying for decades. Like the whole police state... Ppl just accepting it now that they can say its for Nat. Security. So that they can do it now in plain sight.

jiminii
12th June 2013, 06:20
Just my 2 cents, but what if they are letting the cat out of the bag so to speak so they condition us to accept this as perfectly normal now, even though they've been spying for decades. Like the whole police state... Ppl just accepting it now that they can say its for Nat. Security. So that they can do it now in plain sight.

just hold your position ... keep the white going around the planet ... doesn't matter which way it goes .. they play either way ... if we just hold our spiritual state and fill the entire planet with our gold light ... which any spirit being can easily do ... we will dissolve all counter intention

jim

naste.de.lumina
12th June 2013, 06:29
That same jiminii.
From my point of view who has to worry they are, spiritually and physically. Some day the house goes down.
Strength and confidence.

4Talismans
12th June 2013, 06:34
Just before this scandal hit, I was meditating and I saw an image of a statue of Uncle Sam on a tall pedestal. As I watched it toppled, a'la Saddam Hussein. Perhaps this is the beginning blow. Because one thing is for sure, it is just the tip of the iceberg.

naste.de.lumina
12th June 2013, 06:40
Just before this scandal hit, I was meditating and I saw an image of a statue of Uncle Sam on a tall pedestal. As I watched it toppled, a'la Saddam Hussein. Perhaps this is the beginning blow. Because one thing is for sure, it is just the tip of the iceberg.

This statue you saw is the representation of the lie. Not the American people.

4Talismans
12th June 2013, 06:42
Yes correct. I should have made that more clear. I have no desire to see the government fail. I want it to work the way it's supposed to, with transparency.

Posted by 4Talismans
Just before this scandal hit, I was meditating and I saw an image of a statue of Uncle Sam on a tall pedestal. As I watched it toppled, a'la Saddam Hussein. Perhaps this is the beginning blow. Because one thing is for sure, it is just the tip of the iceberg.
This statue you saw is the representation of the lie. Not the American people.

naste.de.lumina
12th June 2013, 06:43
Yes correct. I should have made that more clear. I have no desire to see the government fail. I want it to work the way it's supposed to, with transparency.

Posted by 4Talismans
Just before this scandal hit, I was meditating and I saw an image of a statue of Uncle Sam on a tall pedestal. As I watched it toppled, a'la Saddam Hussein. Perhaps this is the beginning blow. Because one thing is for sure, it is just the tip of the iceberg.
This statue you saw is the representation of the lie. Not the American people.

This plague, lie infests the whole world and it must and will be destroyed

SilentFeathers
12th June 2013, 11:52
At first, I thought I knew what you were saying, but on rereading, it appears to be the opposite of what I was thinking.

So, we have Edward Snowden whistleblowing on the NSA (I'm assuming that, or the reaction to it, is what prompted you to start a thread.)

Are you saying:
a.) Edward Snowden is not a real whistleblower, but a US government shill?
or
b.) the US government's public relations reaction, pretending to care about citizens rights to privacy is a lie and BS?

I'm agreeing with you if you meant "b", but I'd have to disagree if you meant "a."

Thanks in advance for clearing it up.

Hi Dennis, I definitely meant (b).

I think Snowden only comes from a place of "inside" to some extent and went and ran his mouth to a journalist. Personally I don't think he is all that big of a deal when many people since 911 have been claiming we are being extremely spied on our right to privacy is being violated. Even the Gov. has admitted this. The last few years have been quite revealing that the gov etc is watching and listen to every move we make and everything we say....what Snowden did is really no great revelation, but they sure are making it out to be one.

Those not paying attention would see Snowden as another Bradley Manning, I do not. But now the Gov and media are sensationalizing him and I'm sure he most likely will have an unfortunate accident or be arrested/disappeared.

I said I was suspicious about Snowden and all the attention he is getting because all he did was really validate a little bit more what most of us paying attention already know.

This morning I seen an article that quote Ron Paul saying, "I’m worried that the government might kill Edward Snowden with a drone". HERE (http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2531662)

This may be where "they" are going with this, perhaps not, but they are sure making a big deal about something they already admitted they are doing.

So it is in my opinion this is more about teaching us civilians that speaking against the government is not in our best interests, especially when it comes to the "keeping us safe" BS excuse.

PS: it's interesting to note that when unconstitutional/criminal things such as the patriot act, the homeland security act, NDAA, etc etc become law and active opponents to these things are shut up with the "it's keeping us safe" BS excuse.....but when someone goes to the media speaking against these things they become a criminal/terrorists targeted by the bills acts they are speaking against.....talk about a double-edged sword!.

Prodigal Son
12th June 2013, 12:08
About all that data the NSA is collecting, that would appear to be meaningless to them.... it is not meaningless at all. I am reminded of William Cooper, who wrote in his book "Behold A Pale Horse", that the money-printing cabal gathers all sorts of data on the spending habits of humans all over the globe, and they print these money bills as talismans that can conduct real energies and channel it to them and their off-world masters... money generates the energies of greed, power drunkenness, jealousy, envy, hatred... all of the seven deadly sins. It has become the God of this world. It is the Golden Calf of our world right now. They have very elaborate computer programs that monitor all this, and then the money merchants do research by playing games with us, manipulating us, raising the price of coffee here, and lowering the price of beef there, and seeing how we react. This is black magic with the assistance of high-powered data processing.

So this spying and snooping is all about control, they are gathering all the data to play us like a conductor plays a symphony orchestra, to dance completely and fully to their tune. They really get a kick out of this. Control is orgasmic to them. And it is all rooted in fear.... fear that they know they will not have what we have ... human heart and spirit, until they evolve A LOT more... maybe billions of years more, which is tantamount to never in their own limited minds.

chocolate
16th June 2013, 16:47
Sometimes I wonder if there are still people who do not know about the fact they have been spied on.(!) Or may be we, who live outside of the american dream world, see it better simply because we are on the outside.
You know, Dan Brown from all people I can think of right now, even he said it in his novels. Regardless of the quality of his works, he still said something of importance several years back.

When you think about the spying through Facebook and emails, what of value is there anyway? The valuable part is us, our mind, emotions, hopes and actions, everything else is words and statistics. If we choose to be responsible with our choices when we get the next advertisement to buy something, that is what matters.

Of course, if you do not want the world to know your face, address or age, than you probably would be afraid and would jump with the news that someone from the government knows who/where/when and so on, but from my perspective, the exterior layer is not what we need to be worried about. We are talking here about subtle control. The moment we are informed about it is the moment this control loses its value.

I wonder what is actually going on so that they give us this so called scandal to distract the attention from the other probably more important event...