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Kimberley
17th June 2013, 13:50
I am starting to wonder if there is a bigger deeper agenda with the Edward Snowden "story" because of 2 things that came to my attention...

The first one is at this link from USA Today of all places (Hmmm):
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/16/snowden-whistleblower-nsa-officials-roundtable/2428809/

You will find a video of this round table discussion and the written transcript.

Three former NSA whistle-blowers discuss the Edward Snowden case with USA TODAY reporters Susan Page and Peter Eisler.


In a roundtable discussion, a trio of former National Security Agency whistle-blowers tell USA TODAY that Edward Snowden succeeded where they failed.

When a National Security Agency contractor revealed top-secret details this month on the government's collection of Americans' phone and Internet records, one select group of intelligence veterans breathed a sigh of relief.

Thomas Drake, William Binney and J. Kirk Wiebe belong to a select fraternity: the NSA officials who paved the way. 8:01 p.m. EDT June 16, 2013

For years, the three whistle-blowers had told anyone who would listen that the NSA collects huge swaths of communications data from U.S. citizens. They had spent decades in the top ranks of the agency, designing and managing the very data-collection systems they say have been turned against Americans. When they became convinced that fundamental constitutional rights were being violated, they complained first to their superiors, then to federal investigators, congressional oversight committees and, finally, to the news media.

The second one is an article written by Naomi Wolf June 15, 2013

My Creeping Concern that the NSA Leaker Edward Snowden is not who he Purports to be…

http://www.globalresearch.ca/my-creeping-concern-that-the-nsa-leaker-edward-snowden-is-not-who-he-purports-to-be/5339161

I suppose time will tell...

:grouphug:

Sidney
17th June 2013, 14:03
Wow Kimberly, thank you for posting this. Big food for thought. : ) the plot thickens.

Here is the text of the article.

My Creeping Concern that the NSA Leaker Edward Snowden is not who he Purports to be…

By Naomi Wolf
Global Research, June 15, 2013
NaomiWolf.org
Region: USA
Theme: Intelligence, Police State & Civil Rights

I hate to do this but I feel obligated to share, as the story unfolds, my creeping concern that the NSA leaker is not who he purports to be, and that the motivations involved in the story may be more complex than they appear to be.
This is in no way to detract from the great courage of Glenn Greenwald in reporting the story, and the gutsiness of the Guardian in showcasing this kind of reporting, which is a service to America that US media is not performing at all.
It is just to raise some cautions as the story unfolds, and to raise some questions about how it is unfolding, based on my experience with high-level political messaging.

Some of Snowden’s emphases seem to serve an intelligence/police state objective, rather than to challenge them.

a) He is super-organized, for a whistleblower, in terms of what candidates, the White House, the State Dept. et al call ‘message discipline.’ He insisted on publishing a power point in the newspapers that ran his initial revelations. I gather that he arranged for a talented filmmaker to shoot the Greenwald interview. These two steps – which are evidence of great media training, really ‘PR 101′ – are virtually never done (to my great distress) by other whistleblowers, or by progressive activists involved in breaking news, or by real courageous people who are under stress and getting the word out. They are always done, though, by high-level political surrogates.

b) In the Greenwald video interview, I was concerned about the way Snowden conveys his message. He is not struggling for words, or thinking hard, as even bright, articulate whistleblowers under stress will do. Rather he appears to be transmitting whole paragraphs smoothly, without stumbling. To me this reads as someone who has learned his talking points – again the way that political campaigns train surrogates to transmit talking points.

c) He keeps saying things like, “If you are a journalist and they think you are the transmission point of this info, they will certainly kill you.” Or: “I fully expect to be prosecuted under the Espionage Act.” He also keeps stressing what he will lose: his $200,000 salary, his girlfriend, his house in Hawaii. These are the kinds of messages that the police state would LIKE journalists to take away; a real whistleblower also does not put out potential legal penalties as options, and almost always by this point has a lawyer by his/her side who would PROHIBIT him/her from saying, ‘come get me under the Espionage Act.” Finally in my experience, real whistleblowers are completely focused on their act of public service and trying to manage the jeopardy to themselves and their loved ones; they don’t tend ever to call attention to their own self-sacrifice. That is why they are heroes, among other reasons. But a police state would like us all to think about everything we would lose by standing up against it.

d) It is actually in the Police State’s interest to let everyone know that everything you write or say everywhere is being surveilled, and that awful things happen to people who challenge this. Which is why I am not surprised that now he is on UK no-fly lists – I assume the end of this story is that we will all have a lesson in terrible things that happen to whistleblowers. That could be because he is a real guy who gets in trouble; but it would be as useful to the police state if he is a fake guy who gets in ‘trouble.’

e) In stories that intelligence services are advancing (I would call the prostitutes-with-the-secret-service such a story), there are great sexy or sex-related mediagenic visuals that keep being dropped in, to keep media focus on the issue. That very pretty pole-dancing Facebooking girlfriend who appeared for, well, no reason in the media coverage…and who keeps leaking commentary, so her picture can be recycled in the press…really, she happens to pole-dance? Dan Ellsberg’s wife was and is very beautiful and doubtless a good dancer but somehow she took a statelier role as his news story unfolded…

f) Snowden is in Hong Kong, which has close ties to the UK, which has done the US’s bidding with other famous leakers such as Assange. So really there are MANY other countries that he would be less likely to be handed over from…

g) Media reports said he had vanished at one point to ‘an undisclosed location’ or ‘a safe house.’ Come on. There is no such thing. Unless you are with the one organization that can still get off the surveillance grid, because that org created it.

h) I was at dinner last night to celebrate the brave and heroic Michael Ratner of the Center for Constitutional Rights. Several of Assange’s also brave and talented legal team were there, and I remembered them from when I had met with Assange. These attorneys are present at every moment when Assange meets the press – when I met with him off the record last Fall in the Ecuadoran embassy, his counsel was present the whole time, listening and stepping in when necessary.

Seeing these diligent attentive free-speech attorneys for another whisleblower reinforced my growing anxiety: WHERE IS SNOWDEN’S LAWYER as the world’s media meet with him? A whistleblower talking to media has his/her counsel advising him/her at all times, if not actually being present at the interview, because anything he/she says can affect the legal danger the whistleblower may be in . It is very, very odd to me that a lawyer has not appeared, to my knowledge, to stand at Snowden’s side and keep him from further jeopardy in interviews.

Again I hate to cast any skepticism on what seems to be a great story of a brave spy coming in from the cold in the service of American freedom. And I would never raise such questions in public if I had not been told by a very senior official in the intelligence world that indeed, there are some news stories that they create and drive – even in America (where propagandizing Americans is now legal). But do consider that in Eastern Germany, for instance, it was the fear of a machine of surveillance that people believed watched them at all times – rather than the machine itself – that drove compliance and passivity. From the standpoint of the police state and its interests – why have a giant Big Brother apparatus spying on us at all times – unless we know about it?

crosby
17th June 2013, 14:06
Kimberley, i have had this same thought. i am not sure of the who, why, when and what of it all, but something is nagging my brain about how this came about. something is ringing in my mind that this is a fragmented episode being used as a weapon between alphabet agencies. quite frankly, from what i understand about how these agencies operate, how he could have left the country and spoke about this issue at all? and, why he wasn't killed beforehand is a big clue to think about. thanks for the articles, i am overlooking them now.
warmest regards, corson

InCiDeR
17th June 2013, 14:16
Yeps, this strengthen my initial feeling that it was something rotten in the state of Denmark... layers within layers:

A couple of previous whistleblowers regarding this issue in this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59815-U.S.-data-mining-NSA-Ed-Snowden&p=686214&viewfull=1#post686214)

jackovesk
17th June 2013, 14:21
Dumb Bitch..!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8vXrqHurTc

AlaBil
17th June 2013, 14:37
jackovesk... I must sadly say that this girl is from my state but I believe that this is the most prevalent sentiment expressed by not only Miss Alabama but by most people in the United States. In my personal contacts I hear absolutely NO Dissent. If it makes me safe, then do what is required. What is sad is that no one questions the amount of liberty we each give up in order to obtain some slight increase in safety. I feel the days of liberty are behind us in this country. Just wait until there is widespread use of drones here in the US all used in the "war on terror."

Earth Angel
17th June 2013, 14:44
oh my god! she is not the only dumb bitch though, did you hear that audience approval! and the geek beside her enthusiastically nodding his head!

jackovesk
17th June 2013, 14:48
jackovesk... I must sadly say that this girl is from my state but I believe that this is the most prevalent sentiment expressed by not only Miss Alabama but by most people in the United States. In my personal contacts I hear absolutely NO Dissent. If it makes me safe, then do what is required. What is sad is that no one questions the amount of liberty we each give up in order to obtain some slight increase in safety. I feel the days of liberty are behind us in this country. Just wait until there is widespread use of drones here in the US all used in the "war on terror."

If that's True? America is further down the (Toilet) than I had envisaged...:lever:

Point in case - I am about everyday talking to people and every 'Single one of Them' knows there is something wrong and Hates our Govt. and that goes from the teenagers right through to the elderly..!

So WTF is wrong with Americans, are they completely BRAINDEAD..?

risveglio
17th June 2013, 14:54
Live Q&A with Snowden in a few minutes if you have the time.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/17/edward-snowden-nsa-files-whistleblower?guni=Network%20front:network-front%20main-2%20Special%20trail:Network%20front%20-%20special%20trail:Position1:anchor%20image

crosby
17th June 2013, 14:54
i just found this story on googley news...... very interesting addition:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/17/edward-snowden-nsa-files-whistleblower

"The 29-year-old former NSA contractor and source of the Guardian's NSA files coverage will – with the help of Glenn Greenwald – take your questions today on why he revealed the NSA's top-secret surveillance of US citizens, the international storm that has ensued, and the uncertain future he now faces. Ask him anything."

strange......
warmest regards, corson


didn't notice your post risveglio.... thanks!

jackovesk
17th June 2013, 14:56
oh my god! she is not the only dumb bitch though, did you hear that audience approval! and the geek beside her enthusiastically nodding his head!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/customavatars/avatar8611_16.gif

This will hopefully cheer you up Earth Angel..? or not...?

Jun 12, 2013


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn-4IhIZSjY
A kitten owner had to do a double take when she realised her newborn feline had two faces.

Duecy was rejected by its mother so Stephanie Durkee is feeding her by hand.

She is giving her kitten formula with a syringe and keeping her warm with a heating pad.

Ms Durkee said: "The kids actually found them and came in and said, 'Mom there's a kitty with two heads', and I said I think you guys are just tired, you're crazy, that doesn't happen."

PS - This (PUSSY) aint so innocent...:nono:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/obamadoublespeak3.jpg

Kimberley
17th June 2013, 15:00
Live Q&A with Snowden in a few minutes if you have the time.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/17/edward-snowden-nsa-files-whistleblower?guni=Network%20front:network-front%20main-2%20Special%20trail:Network%20front%20-%20special%20trail:Position1:anchor%20image


WoW Thank you!

jackovesk
17th June 2013, 15:01
Should I get off your thread Kimberley before I start getting into trouble..?

risveglio
17th June 2013, 15:10
His answer to question #2 makes me very happy.

2) How many sets of the documents you disclosed did you make, and how many different people have them? If anything happens to you, do they still exist?

Answer:

2) All I can say right now is the US Government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me. Truth is coming, and it cannot be stopped.

jackovesk
17th June 2013, 15:14
Which Websites Are Under NSA surveillance – This May Shock You!!!

June 15, 2013

http://payload174.cargocollective.com/1/9/294092/5797400/prism.jpg

(Be The Media) – One of BIN contributor, Ye Olde False Flag, recently posted an excellent article about a Firefox plug-in that warns computer users about potential government surveillance.

http://www.bluefame.com/uploads/profile/photo-thumb-111578.jpg

Ye Old False Flag explains that a 28-year-old artist and developer from Brooklyn, NY has found a fun way to alert users of potential NSA snooping by creating the “The Dark Side of The Prism’ browser extention, which plays songs from Pink Floyd’s 1973 classic “The Dark Side of The Moon” each time a questionable website is crossed.

Since I already have many plug-ins, proxies, gadgets and other goodies that keep me invisible to prying eyes online, I definitely had to give this one a try. I installed the plug-in and accessed several webpages that Ive always been a tad suspicious about. Well, the songs went off on pretty much most of the ones I suspected!

Below are some of the websites where the “alarm” went off. I’ve compiled news, social media, alternative news, governement and pro-constitution websites. Now the question is if these sites are unknowingly being tracked to keep tabs on visitors or if the ones behind them are nothing but government shills feeding the masses controlled oppositon. You decide. Comments are more than welcomed so we can extend the discussion.

http://www.irs.gov/

http://www.ronpaul.com/

http://sheriffmack.com/

http://constitutionclub.ning.com/ (Constitutional Sheriffs)

https://www.youtube.com/

http://petersantilli.com/

http://www.infowars.com/

http://www.davidicke.com/

https://pandaunite.org/ (People Against the NDAA)

http://divinecosmos.com/

http://www.stewwebb.com/

http://21stcenturywire.com/

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/

http://exovaticana.com/

http://americannationalmilitia.com/

http://disinfo.com/

http://brianhaw.tv/index.php

http://in5d.com/

http://misstilaomg.com/

http://www.freedominfonetwork.org/

http://www.activistpost.com/

http://www.watchmanscry.com

https://endtimesnews.wordpress.com/

https://www.facebook.com/

https://www.microsoft.com

http://google.com/

http://apple.com/

http://www.yahoo.com/

http://rt.com/

...........................

Source: http://beforeitsnews.com/blogging-citizen-journalism/2013/06/which-websites-are-under-nsa-surveillance-this-may-shock-you-2448118.html

jackovesk
17th June 2013, 15:30
Forget PRISM, the recent NSA leaks are plain: Digital privacy doesn’t exist

16 Jun 2013

http://cdn.thenextweb.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2013/06/2013-06-16_11h10_31-645x250.jpg

It’s the weekend, but I trust you have enough mental clarity to follow something simple: you have no digital privacy, full stop.

Odd that the first functional argument against the cloud would find its sourcing in Washington, but this is the reality that we live in. Earlier today, TNW’s Martin Bryant published a mild-mannered article (http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/06/16/prism-update-recent-reports-you-shouldnt-miss/?fromcat=all) with the title “PRISM update: Recent reports you definitely shouldn’t miss.” He was quite right, but not nearly severe enough.

The AP has done an admirable public service by releasing what we’ve been trying to understand for the last week (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/secret-prism-success-even-bigger-data-seizure). Simply put, PRISM is only a small piece of the NSA’s larger digital surveillance efforts.

This is not a surprise to some, especially those marinated in the privacy scandals of the early 2000s. However, we all weren’t part of that fight, and PRISM has brought the issue back to the fore. It’s worth noting our current situation, and how the newly leaked program fits into it.

The AP is BLUNT...


Deep in the oceans, hundreds of cables carry much of the world’s phone and Internet traffic. Since at least the early 1970s, the NSA has been tapping foreign cables. It doesn’t need permission. That’s its job.

But Internet data doesn’t care about borders. Send an email from Pakistan to Afghanistan and it might pass through a mail server in the United States, the same computer that handles messages to and from Americans. The NSA is prohibited from spying on Americans or anyone inside the United States. That’s the FBI’s job and it requires a warrant.

Despite that prohibition, shortly after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, President George W. Bush secretly authorized the NSA to plug into the fiber optic cables that enter and leave the United States, knowing it would give the government unprecedented, warrantless access to Americans’ private conversations.

Tapping into those cables allows the NSA access to monitor emails, telephone calls, video chats, websites, bank transactions and more. It takes powerful computers to decrypt, store and analyze all this information, but the information is all there, zipping by at the speed of light.

“You have to assume everything is being collected,” said Bruce Schneier, who has been studying and writing about cryptography and computer security for two decades.

Well then. PRISM, it turns out, is essentially a method for the government to focus its data collection practices. Happily, its disclosure via Snowden has allowed our society another discussion about what privacy should entail, and what our constitutional right to privacy in fact is. This isn’t a small question.

One politician had a clear take on the larger situation years ago:


This administration also puts forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the security we provide [...] I will provide our intelligence and law enforcement agencies with the tools they need to track and take out the terrorists without undermining our Constitution and our freedom.

That was then-Senator Obama. President Obama appears to be in contention with his former self and person.

I want to be safe. So do you. But we also have to understand that the price of privacy is that we may lose some defense against attack. What we gain, however, is our own personal agency. Everything you have done online is stored somewhere, by your government, for use at their discretion, either with a warrant or without, depending. And your phone records, but CNET was wrong to claim that your calls themselves are listenable sans warrant.

The question is simple: would you rather have digital, and telephonic privacy, and do you trust the government to be responsible with your data, or would you rather take a larger risk regarding your physical safety. It feels odd to ask that question in light of a rather cut and dry Fourth Amendment. Especially when you consider why the Fourth was written, and enacted to begin with.

The disclosures concerning the extent of the US government’s data program are causing upheaval at home, but the President isn’t immune from criticism abroad. According to The Hill:


The National Security Agency’s collection of online data has created a firestorm of controversy in Europe, where privacy is highly valued.

U.S. allies are expected to press Obama over the issue in one-on-one meetings, and the fight over the programs threaten to be a distraction from White House goals to reach consensus on the next steps in Syria.


Given that we have granted ourselves primacy over their citizens private digital information, whenever we desire, their leaders aren’t likely enthused. What was once known to some is now known to all. Never has an intranet been so appealing.

http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/06/16/forget-prism-the-recent-nsa-leaks-are-plain-digital-privacy-is-a-joke/

Kimberley
17th June 2013, 15:41
Interesting Dennis just posted this on Facebook...

June 17, 2013

Just Wondering
Is Naomi Wolf working for the NSA?
by DAVE LINDORFF

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/06/17/is-naomi-wolf-working-for-the-nsa/

jackovesk
17th June 2013, 15:52
He told you so: (Bill Binney) talks NSA leaks

Jun 14, 2013


In the wake of multiple leaks regarding the data mining programs PRISM and Boundless Informant, whistleblowers are coming out in droves to talk about the unprecedented government surveillance on the American public. RT Correspondent Meghan Lopez had a chance to sit down with NSA whistleblower William Binney to talk about the latest developments coming out of the NSA case. Binney is a 32 year veteran of the NSA, where he helped design a top secret program he says helps collect data on foreign enemies. He is regarded as one of the best mathematicians and code breakers in NSA history. He became an NSA whistleblower in 2002 when he realized the program he helped create to spy no foreign enemies was being used on Americans.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmmoItNu3KM
Conversations w/Great Minds - NSA Whistleblowers - Are They Spying on the Entire Country

Jul 30, 2012


For tonight's Conversations with Great Minds - I'm joined by NSA whistleblowers (Thomas Drake) and (Kirk Wiebe).

Both men were involved in exposing the NSA's massive, illegal, domestic spying program known as the Trailblazer project initiated in 2000. Despite not leaking any classified information - and exhaustively going through all the protocols required for members of the intelligence community to blow the whistle on wrongdoing - both men faced serious retributions for going public with what they knew about the NSA's surveillance program. In 2007 - after a reporter for the Baltimore Sun obtained information regarding waste, fraud, and abuse at the NSA - FBI agents raided the home Kirk Wiebe - confiscating computer hard drives and business records - and revoking security clearance that Wiebe - an NSA veteran - had held since 1964. Wiebe was not charged with any crime. However - Thomas Drake - whose home was also raided - was charged with multiple crimes including violation of the Espionage Act of 1917. Eventually those charges were dropped in 2011. Since then - Drake has gone on to win multiple awards for his courage in blowing the whistle on the NSA - including the Ridenour Prize for Truth Telling and the Sam Adams Associates for Integrity in Intelligence. And both he and Kirk Wiebe have done tremendous work to inform all of us on the growing American surveillance state. The National Security Agency is building a massive spy center in Utah. What for? And will Americans be the targets of the NSA's prying eyes?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8b7QB3XAP0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqWFaYU0D8k
PS - There you go Kimberley, now I'll let someone else have a turn...:wave:

Earth Angel
17th June 2013, 15:55
wow, they really are masters of deception, pulling the inside out double whammy.....just when you think you know who to trust something else comes out about that persons motives...the main concern though is whether Snowden is legit or not the average American seems to think this invasion of privacy is ok because its protecting them....from what?? Batman shooting? Sandy Hook ? Boston ?? even when they are tracking the so called terrorist of the Boston bombing, they couldn't identify them without the publics help??? yea right.....its all for the good of the people......then again even the 'reports' that people feel this is okay could be BS, they could be lying about the percentage of people who are okay with this......then again there are no people taking to the streets in peaceful (or any other kind) of protest...so perhaps they actually are all brainwashed, asleep and unable to see the wrong doing that is going on here

Sidney
17th June 2013, 15:56
jackovesk... I must sadly say that this girl is from my state but I believe that this is the most prevalent sentiment expressed by not only Miss Alabama but by most people in the United States. In my personal contacts I hear absolutely NO Dissent. If it makes me safe, then do what is required. What is sad is that no one questions the amount of liberty we each give up in order to obtain some slight increase in safety. I feel the days of liberty are behind us in this country. Just wait until there is widespread use of drones here in the US all used in the "war on terror."

If that's True? America is further down the (Toilet) than I had envisaged...:lever:

Point in case - I am about everyday talking to people and every 'Single one of Them' knows there is something wrong and Hates our Govt. and that goes from the teenagers right through to the elderly..!

So WTF is wrong with Americans, are they completely BRAINDEAD..?


As an American, unfortunately the answer to that questions is, most of them are. BUT- this past week, every public place I have been, in the background, I hear people talking , discussing openly, about the ongoings as of lately. My opinion?? It is a little to little, and much too late.

There is good reason flocks of people that can financially swing it, are leaving this country. Land of the free, no more

It seems, as they do a controlled burn to prevent a fire that will surely burn down an area, they have figured a way, to do controlled whistle blowing. They knew people were on to them, to prevent the fire from burning down their prism system, they just do a controlled burn. Very clever indeed. Of course we have no proof of this, but I do find it interesting, that he had no legal counsel, guiding him through this. Huge red flag IMO.

Side note: Isn't this the technology that they displayed in the movie "De ja Vu" with Halle Berry?

jackovesk
17th June 2013, 16:11
Which Websites Are Under NSA surveillance – This May Shock You!!!

June 15, 2013

(Be The Media) – One of BIN contributor, Ye Olde False Flag, recently posted an excellent article about a Firefox plug-in that warns computer users about potential government surveillance.

http://www.bluefame.com/uploads/profile/photo-thumb-111578.jpg

Ye Old False Flag explains that a 28-year-old artist and developer from Brooklyn, NY has found a fun way to alert users of potential NSA snooping by creating the “The Dark Side of The Prism’ browser extention, which plays songs from Pink Floyd’s 1973 classic “The Dark Side of The Moon” each time a questionable website is crossed.

Since I already have many plug-ins, proxies, gadgets and other goodies that keep me invisible to prying eyes online, I definitely had to give this one a try. I installed the plug-in and accessed several webpages that Ive always been a tad suspicious about. Well, the songs went off on pretty much most of the ones I suspected!

Below are some of the websites where the “alarm” went off. I’ve compiled news, social media, alternative news, governement and pro-constitution websites. Now the question is if these sites are unknowingly being tracked to keep tabs on visitors or if the ones behind them are nothing but government shills feeding the masses controlled oppositon. You decide. Comments are more than welcomed so we can extend the discussion.

http://www.irs.gov/

http://www.ronpaul.com/

http://sheriffmack.com/

http://constitutionclub.ning.com/ (Constitutional Sheriffs)

https://www.youtube.com/

http://petersantilli.com/

http://www.infowars.com/

http://www.davidicke.com/

https://pandaunite.org/ (People Against the NDAA)

http://divinecosmos.com/

http://www.stewwebb.com/

http://21stcenturywire.com/

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/

http://exovaticana.com/

http://americannationalmilitia.com/

http://disinfo.com/

http://brianhaw.tv/index.php

http://in5d.com/

http://misstilaomg.com/

http://www.freedominfonetwork.org/

http://www.activistpost.com/

http://www.watchmanscry.com

https://endtimesnews.wordpress.com/

https://www.facebook.com/

https://www.microsoft.com

http://google.com/

http://apple.com/

http://www.yahoo.com/

http://rt.com/

...........................

Source: http://beforeitsnews.com/blogging-citizen-journalism/2013/06/which-websites-are-under-nsa-surveillance-this-may-shock-you-2448118.html

Funny - I just clicked on all THESE websites...




http://www.ronpaul.com/

http://sheriffmack.com/

http://constitutionclub.ning.com/ (Constitutional Sheriffs)

http://www.infowars.com/

http://www.davidicke.com/

https://pandaunite.org/ (People Against the NDAA)

http://www.stewwebb.com/

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/

http://americannationalmilitia.com/

http://www.freedominfonetwork.org/

http://www.activistpost.com/

https://endtimesnews.wordpress.com/



...and all I Read & Heard was the TRUTH..!!!

PS - Ok now I'll go Kimberley...:wave:

conk
17th June 2013, 16:55
And this morning we learn that 66% of Americans are ok with the snooping. :(

norman
17th June 2013, 17:01
I don't go along with the idea that any whistle blower would have a legal advisor at his side, therefore Snowden can't be legit, etc etc.

Having got that out of the way, I look at this 'story' as becoming much bigger on the reaction side of things than it was at the start when it was just Snowden spilling the beans ( about something most people already had a strong sense was true - sort of like most people already believe JFK was murdered by powerful insiders, even before there is an official confirmation of it ).

What is strikingly obvious about the story of the reaction is that it's all about "National Security" and whether he's an American hero or an American traitor. It's absolutely NOT about the bigger picture.

It isn't quite a re-branding of the "N.S.A." ( it's the National Security Agency, after all ) but it's a case of managing and maintaining the brand.

That's the big reaction, I'm talking about, not Snowden and his incredibly cool interview.


edit:

And, of course, it heats up the polarization in America between the hero-ites and traitor-ites.

risveglio
17th June 2013, 17:10
And this morning we learn that 66% of Americans are ok with the snooping. :(

According to which source?

conk
17th June 2013, 17:16
And this morning we learn that 66% of Americans are ok with the snooping. :(

According to which source?Sorry, it's here: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/66-believe-obama-administration-right-analyze-and-collect-internet-data_735401.html

risveglio
17th June 2013, 17:20
And this morning we learn that 66% of Americans are ok with the snooping. :(

According to which source?Sorry, it's here: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/66-believe-obama-administration-right-analyze-and-collect-internet-data_735401.html

I like the gallup poll better. More in line with what I am hearing and more in line with what I have seen since a couple Senators and a particular Congressman started to challenge the program

http://www.gallup.com/poll/163043/americans-disapprove-government-surveillance-programs.aspx

Paul
17th June 2013, 18:11
So WTF is wrong with Americans, are they completely BRAINDEAD..?
I heard somewhere yesterday that we do have the highest rate of vaccine usage in the world. We also likely have the costliest (which I expect correlates with most lethal) medical system in the world. I don't know about fluoride and chemtrail coverage, but perhaps the American propensity for being Number One applies there as well. I expect that our (American) per-capita consumption of Big Gulps (soft drinks) and Big Macs (fake burgers) is world class as well.

In which case, yes, Jackovesk, we may well be BRAINDEAD here.

Fred Steeves
17th June 2013, 19:52
So WTF is wrong with Americans, are they completely BRAINDEAD..?

It's bad Jacko, but not quite THAT bad. (LOL) I had a chance meeting with an off duty cop the other day. He's a big time member of Oath Keepers, and told me that 90% of his compadres in the department are wide awake to things as well. So chin up brother, and here's the full story in case you missed it. It was very encouraging.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59940-A-Pleasant-Surprise

Cheers,
Fred

Ioneo
17th June 2013, 23:38
Naomi Wolf is a Rhode Scholar graduate!?

"Known as an old and prestigious international graduate scholarship, the Rhodes Scholarships are administered and awarded by the Rhodes Trust, which was established in 1902 under the terms and conditions of the will of Cecil John Rhodes, and funded by his estate under the administration of Nathan Rothschild."

Bill Ryan
18th June 2013, 02:29
Naomi Wolf is a Rhode Scholar graduate!?

"Known as an old and prestigious international graduate scholarship, the Rhodes Scholarships are administered and awarded by the Rhodes Trust, which was established in 1902 under the terms and conditions of the will of Cecil John Rhodes, and funded by his estate under the administration of Nathan Rothschild."

Richard Dolan (UFO researcher, author and disclosure activist) was a Rhodes Scholar finalist. And he's certainly 100% the real deal.

All this means is that the person is very bright and well-educated... hardly in itself a lynching offense. :)

sdv
18th June 2013, 04:42
When I went onto the Truthdig site yesterday, I got a malware warning every time I tried to open an article. Coincidence that Truthdig was infiltrated and infected with malware, or is someone trying to shut down dissent?

ghostrider
18th June 2013, 05:30
either the NSA is incompetent or they wanted this leaked out, to insight chaos and divide the country ... hint , part of the agenda to institute martial law ...The NSA can't even secure their own department , how can they secure the country ???

EYES WIDE OPEN
18th June 2013, 10:15
Is there more to this "leak"?

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/06/15/are-whistleblowers-sometimes-too-good-to-be-true/



https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/06/13/did-the-cia-give-the-nsa-documents-to-ed-snowden/

Prodigal Son
18th June 2013, 11:18
Naomi Wolf is a Rhode Scholar graduate!?

"Known as an old and prestigious international graduate scholarship, the Rhodes Scholarships are administered and awarded by the Rhodes Trust, which was established in 1902 under the terms and conditions of the will of Cecil John Rhodes, and funded by his estate under the administration of Nathan Rothschild."

Richard Dolan (UFO researcher, author and disclosure activist) was a Rhodes Scholar finalist. And he's certainly 100% the real deal.

All this means is that the person is very bright and well-educated... hardly in itself a lynching offense. :)

Yes, and Rhodes Scholar Bill Clinton is certainly the fake deal. Nothing wrong with knowledge, but what we do with it is another story.

Sammy
18th June 2013, 11:47
I am starting to wonder if there is a bigger deeper agenda with the Edward Snowden "story" because of 2 things that came to my attention...

The first one is at this link from USA Today of all places (Hmmm):
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/16/snowden-whistleblower-nsa-officials-roundtable/2428809/

You will find a video of this round table discussion and the written transcript.

Three former NSA whistle-blowers discuss the Edward Snowden case with USA TODAY reporters Susan Page and Peter Eisler.


In a roundtable discussion, a trio of former National Security Agency whistle-blowers tell USA TODAY that Edward Snowden succeeded where they failed.

When a National Security Agency contractor revealed top-secret details this month on the government's collection of Americans' phone and Internet records, one select group of intelligence veterans breathed a sigh of relief.

Thomas Drake, William Binney and J. Kirk Wiebe belong to a select fraternity: the NSA officials who paved the way. 8:01 p.m. EDT June 16, 2013

For years, the three whistle-blowers had told anyone who would listen that the NSA collects huge swaths of communications data from U.S. citizens. They had spent decades in the top ranks of the agency, designing and managing the very data-collection systems they say have been turned against Americans. When they became convinced that fundamental constitutional rights were being violated, they complained first to their superiors, then to federal investigators, congressional oversight committees and, finally, to the news media.

The second one is an article written by Naomi Wolf June 15, 2013

My Creeping Concern that the NSA Leaker Edward Snowden is not who he Purports to be…

http://www.globalresearch.ca/my-creeping-concern-that-the-nsa-leaker-edward-snowden-is-not-who-he-purports-to-be/5339161

I suppose time will tell...

:grouphug:

Isn't everything all and only about the timing?

sygh
20th June 2013, 08:24
And this morning we learn that 66% of Americans are ok with the snooping. :(

Why do I have trouble believing that poll? Eh, it could very well be real but I really can't swallow it.

in5d
25th June 2013, 04:09
Looks like I have a lot of good company with In5D being on the list :D

I mentioned that tonight on In5D radio, saying that it's a compliment that they're watching me. I also raised the possibility that perhaps the NSA is behind "The Dark Side of the PRISM" to deter people from coming to sites like mine? Either way, I won't stop what I'm doing <3

risveglio
27th June 2013, 14:52
I just installed the "The Dark Side of the PRISM" and "Us and Them" started playing when I hit the Avalon site. If the add on actually works, I am not sure they are trying to deter people since almost every site I have visited, including mainstream sites, have been playing a whole bunch of Floyd.