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avid
4th July 2013, 17:54
Thank you - active brains are out there...
http://www.activistpost.com/2013/07/students-destroy-nsa-recruiters-over.html


When NSA recruiters went to the University of Wisconsin earlier this week to pitch language students on working for the agency, they got more than they bargained for.

The informed students turned the question-and-answer session into a hearing. On trial were the NSA's lies, their legality, and how they define "adversary".

The students recorded audio of the exchange on an iPhone proving that the language-analyst NSA recruiters were left tongue-tied.

"I'm surprised that for language analysts you're incredibly imprecise with your language," grad student Madiha Tahir charged when they failed to define what constitutes an adversary.

"What you're selling us is untrue" she added. "We also know that the NSA took down brochures and fact sheets after the Snowden revelations because those fact sheets had severe inaccuracies and untruths in them -- so how are we supposed to believe what you're saying?"

Another student directly challenged the NSA's morality for using the "globe as their playground" and then partying at the office with co-workers. She then challenges them to become whistleblowers because the truth will ultimately prevail.

ghostrider
4th July 2013, 18:11
come work for us, spy on everyone, because everyone not in the NSA is an adversary ... he he

Sidney
4th July 2013, 18:17
Thank you - active brains are out there...
http://www.activistpost.com/2013/07/students-destroy-nsa-recruiters-over.html


When NSA recruiters went to the University of Wisconsin earlier this week to pitch language students on working for the agency, they got more than they bargained for.

The informed students turned the question-and-answer session into a hearing. On trial were the NSA's lies, their legality, and how they define "adversary".

The students recorded audio of the exchange on an iPhone proving that the language-analyst NSA recruiters were left tongue-tied.

"I'm surprised that for language analysts you're incredibly imprecise with your language," grad student Madiha Tahir charged when they failed to define what constitutes an adversary.

"What you're selling us is untrue" she added. "We also know that the NSA took down brochures and fact sheets after the Snowden revelations because those fact sheets had severe inaccuracies and untruths in them -- so how are we supposed to believe what you're saying?"

Another student directly challenged the NSA's morality for using the "globe as their playground" and then partying at the office with co-workers. She then challenges them to become whistleblowers because the truth will ultimately prevail.


Very intelligent and enlightened students. There is hope for our future after all!! : D Thanks for posting this.:bump:

Arpheus
4th July 2013, 18:28
Thats was ahhhh refreshing to listen to,thank you for that !

Metaphor
4th July 2013, 18:43
There is hope!
Thanks

onawah
4th July 2013, 18:44
It was great listening to discernment in action among the young.
Hopefully this is a sign that there aren't going to be as many sell-out "yuppies" in the coming generations as there were in mine, those whose first priority in choosing a career was how much income it would generate.

ViralSpiral
4th July 2013, 18:56
Yay! :) ..........

naste.de.lumina
4th July 2013, 18:58
I wish I had seen this personally.
I might even contribute to two or three basic little questions.
grateful.

sirdipswitch
4th July 2013, 19:17
Enlightenment among the young so refreshing...:wizard:

Rollo
4th July 2013, 19:26
Few right questions and NSA workers/agents started to lose the ground... hmm.

Ernie Nemeth
4th July 2013, 19:28
This is slightly askew of the op but comes around to it.

There was a test conducted with university students some time back. A group of four students at a time were placed in a room and sat a a long desk. Then the instructor enters and begins a test with the aid of a view screen. She displays a set of lines and asks each participant to choose which line is the longest. Each student answers verbally. But something is wrong here. The students are picking the incorrect answer! And the last student to answer is getting upset. At first the last student picks the correct answer, against the unanimous choice of the other three. But as the test continues the last student is loosing his certainty and begins agreeing with the other students, even though he knows they are wrong. By the end of the test he is pickking the wrong answer every time, just to fit in with his peers.

The test was rigged, of course. Everyone but the last student was in on the test. They had been instructed to choose the wrong answer on purpose to see the reactions of the test subject. Most test subjects, after an initial period of defiance, learned or chose to "go along with the crowd". Some, however, became extremely irrate, resorted to calling his fellow students insane and leaving the test before its completion.

It is a proven truth that humans would rather be accepted by their peers than be right. Nice to see a group of autonomous individuals who think and act their own mind.

Snookie
4th July 2013, 21:10
Interesting how the NSA agents quickly tried to rationalize why they were doing what they were doing. Basically saying we get our orders...its all legal...we've done nothing wrong etc. etc.

DeDukshyn
4th July 2013, 23:17
My faith in the younger generations remains strong. Gen Y'ers have been painted in a certain way I have never agreed with. They tend not to take any **** and know their stuff. During the student protests in Montreal, most people assumed that they were protesting higher tuition. What they really were protesting is the big banks forcing the governments hands to raise the tuition so the banks could make more money off loans, and the disgust in the governments for bowing to the pressure. The students saw the whole picture and acted. Everyone else was thinking it was something simpler than it was -- this is the difference in the generations.

sigma6
5th July 2013, 04:27
This is slightly askew of the op but comes around to it.

There was a test conducted with university students some time back. A group of four students at a time were placed in a room and sat a a long desk. Then the instructor enters and begins a test with the aid of a view screen. She displays a set of lines and asks each participant to choose which line is the longest. Each student answers verbally. But something is wrong here. The students are picking the incorrect answer! And the last student to answer is getting upset. At first the last student picks the correct answer, against the unanimous choice of the other three. But as the test continues the last student is loosing his certainty and begins agreeing with the other students, even though he knows they are wrong. By the end of the test he is pickking the wrong answer every time, just to fit in with his peers.

The test was rigged, of course. Everyone but the last student was in on the test. They had been instructed to choose the wrong answer on purpose to see the reactions of the test subject. Most test subjects, after an initial period of defiance, learned or chose to "go along with the crowd". Some, however, became extremely irrate, resorted to calling his fellow students insane and leaving the test before its completion.

It is a proven truth that humans would rather be accepted by their peers than be right. Nice to see a group of autonomous individuals who think and act their own mind.

Arthur Ashe experiments I believe, those types of experiments are not discussed too often outside of specialized psychology courses. Because if they were, people would become more self aware. And of course the very effect you speak of would become greatly diminished. That particular experiment was also very similar to "an appeal to authority" type experiment by Stanley Milgram, same thing not discussed because of the possible self awareness and social implications it would have on society. In fact in the case of the Milgram experiments, I believed they even sanctioned (somebody) saying such experiments should never be allowed again, because of their 'concern' it had on the participants 'sensitivities' (ie. it woke them up to their own disillusionment) So there you have it...

These experiments should be taught in every school and every classroom. The knowledge would provide students with insight and wisdom and enlightenment and make them more self aware and independent thinkers. It would stop bullying, and greatly diminish group herd behaviour. And yet in the one case future experiments along these lines were banned.

That's what happens when you allow these freemason secret society types to infiltrate and control the administration of universities...

Carmody
5th July 2013, 14:35
Interesting how the NSA agents quickly tried to rationalize why they were doing what they were doing. Basically saying we get our orders...its all legal...we've done nothing wrong etc. etc.

As if somehow, legality equates with levels of correctness.

One must understand how historians view the United States.

Some historians would phrase the United states as: 'A giant experiment in contract law'.

If you look at it that way, you will begin to see the underlying inhumanity, specifically the origins of that inhumanity and how it integrated itself into the systems of 'being' in the United States.

How the fundamental agreements of being human, between people, was usurped into corporate rule.

Which, of course, fundamentally emerges - as fascism.

ulli
5th July 2013, 14:46
Interesting how the NSA agents quickly tried to rationalize why they were doing what they were doing. Basically saying we get our orders...its all legal...we've done nothing wrong etc. etc.

As if somehow, legality equates with levels of correctness.

One must understand how historians view the United States.

Some historians would phrase the United states as: 'A giant experiment in contract law'.

If you look at it that way, you will begin to see the underlying inhumanity, specifically the origins of that inhumanity and how it integrated itself into the systems of 'being' in the United States.

How the fundamental agreements of being human, between people, was usurped into corporate rule.

Which, of course, fundamentally emerges - as fascism.

Groups that plot behind corporate doors, hours on end, with the means to consult even craftier people than themselves, who are expert deceivers...like money-hungry psychologists, advertisers, sociologists,...
will maintain the upper hand over isolated individuals, who are in time-consuming jobs, struggling to survive.

Unless those individuals break through the barriers imposed on them, by either hitting a lucky streak, (rare),
or higher laws like the Law of Attraction, that helps them to receive that which they wish for, (also rare)
or form even larger groups, in the streets, like occupy, or those 33 million in Egypt.

The answers are there.

ulli
5th July 2013, 14:57
This one fits right in here:
Short and funny.

g39xIewgGaM

naste.de.lumina
5th July 2013, 15:04
This one fits right in here:
Short and funny.

g39xIewgGaM

A great example of the agencies alphabet soup.
But I have the impression that today, while trying to put his hand in his pocket for identification, would be executed.

Carmody
5th July 2013, 15:08
Reminds me of the time that the Israeli's hired psychologists to be spotters at Ben Gurion airport in Tel Aviv.

They ended up reporting each other as suspicious.

ulli
5th July 2013, 15:17
Reminds me of the time that the Israeli's hired psychologists to be spotters at Ben Gurion airport in Tel Aviv.

They ended up reporting each other as suspicious.

I was interviewed by one of them...very bright, but also very young;
probably only around twenty years old.
Not surprising that there would have been paranoia in their ranks.