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Mike
6th July 2013, 15:32
this thread was inspired by a recent Jim thread ( thanks Jim;)) )where he espoused this belief that something vitally and cosmically important may have just occurred, and that something of equal importance may be occuring soon) and is intended as a tongue in cheek response. no disrespect intended, truly - while my position is rather serious, the intent here is to provide a little levity.

there must be dozens upon dozens of these types of threads on Avalon. they generally go something like this:
"i'm feeling really strange lately, feeling as if something big might happen. can you guys feel that? are you tuned into the static? it's like the calm before the storm, isn't it? i'm not sure what it is exactly, but it feels like it's on it's way soon..." etc etc:)

said poster usually will offer physical, mental and perhaps metaphysical symptoms they are experiencing, in an attempt to fortify the huge leap in logic they are making (you're getting the ear buzzing too? well the world must be ending then!) the thread will usually go 4-5 pages at least, with members inevitably lining up to announce that they too are in tune with the apocalyptic vibes.

and then of course nothing happens.

our psychic track record is abominable, lets face it:) I get no joy out of saying that, but it's true.

so here's my plea: Avalonians, please stop pretending you're psychic, unless of course you are willing to demonstrate said abilities in a youtube video or something. speaking of which, you ever notice how weird and uptight everyone gets when someone is asked to demonstrate their abilities? it's as if we've all agreed to dedicate ourselves to this fictional paranormal fantasy, and damn you objective inquisitor for ruining our dream with your logical questions!;) that's the sort of feeling I get about it all. and this isn't a passive-aggressive shot at Jim either - i'm talking about the entire forum here.

Can you feel that Avalonians? well, can you? Good, cuz I can't either....

Carmody
6th July 2013, 15:45
Astrology, the nature of matter, time of birth, wiring of the individual mind, this creates the individual response tuned to the individual person.

The astrology of the moment is universal to all, but affects each differently.

drugs and alcohol INTERFERE with natural function and these aspects of proper expression are lost. The capacity to cognate and navigate subtle energies are lost in the muck of the reception systems being damaged by the use of the drugs and alcohol.

The problem is always the projection of the ego self into identification with self, which by extension, becomes the representation of the world of all. The doorway of existence and the filter on existence are not one and the same, but the ego/avatar as a filter/autopilot.. and how it operates in those who are unaware of this, that component would have a 'person' believe it is so.

I could go on for months, and I have, but if a person is not just listening, and not working on themselves, then it will mean or explain very little. In the end, explanations are meaningless, it is the cognating one's way to the meaning -that is the key. Individualism is the clue that shows the way there, as individualism means an individual answer, derived from within. Universal scope -individual walk/path.

It is very simple.

If the answer cannot be found, then the question is not the question, it is an incorrect formation of an inquiry.

Mike
6th July 2013, 15:52
Astrology, the nature of matter, time of birth, wiring of the individual mind, this creates the individual response tuned to the individual person.

The astrology of the moment is universal to all, but affects each differently.

drugs and alcohol INTERFERE with natural function and these aspects of proper expression are lost. The capacity to cognate and navigate subtle energies are lost in the muck of the reception systems being damaged by the use of the drugs and alcohol.

The problem is always the projection of the ego self into identification with self, which by extension, becomes the representation of the world of all. The doorway of existence and the filter on existence are not one and the same, but the ego/avatar as a filter/autopilot.. and how it operates in those who are unaware of this, that component would have a 'person' believe it is so.

I could go on for months, and I have, but if a person is not just listening, but working on themselves, then it will mean and help explain very little.

it is very simple.

If the answer cannot be found, then the question is not the question, it is an incorrect formation of an inquiry.



this is wonderfully worded and would sit proudly beneath an Ansel Adams print, but this is precisely the sort of flowery, circuitous and evasive response I might expect when asking an alleged psychic/paranormalist to demonstrate their abilities.

no disrespect Carmody - like everyone else here, I do respect your mind...but this means very little to me.

jiminii
6th July 2013, 15:55
this thread was inspired by a recent Jim thread ( thanks Jim;)) )where he espoused this belief that something vitally and cosmically important may have just occurred, and that something of equal importance may be occuring soon) and is intended as a tongue in cheek response. no disrespect intended, truly - while my position is rather serious, the intent here is to provide a little levity.

there must be dozens upon dozens of these types of threads on Avalon. they generally go something like this:
"i'm feeling really strange lately, feeling as if something big might happen. can you guys feel that? are you tuned into the static? it's like the calm before the storm, isn't it? i'm not sure what it is exactly, but it feels like it's on it's way soon..." etc etc:)

said poster usually will offer physical, mental and perhaps metaphysical symptoms they are experiencing, in an attempt to fortify the huge leap in logic they are making (you're getting the ear buzzing too? well the world must be ending then!) the thread will usually go 4-5 pages at least, with members inevitably lining up to announce that they too are in tune with the apocalyptic vibes.

and then of course nothing happens.

our psychic track record is abominable, lets face it:) I get no joy out of saying that, but it's true.

so here's my plea: Avalonians, please stop pretending you're psychic, unless of course you are willing to demonstrate said abilities in a youtube video or something. speaking of which, you ever notice how weird and uptight everyone gets when someone is asked to demonstrate their abilities? it's as if we've all agreed to dedicate ourselves to this fictional paranormal fantasy, and damn you objective inquisitor for ruining our dream with your logical questions!;) that's the sort of feeling I get about it all. and this isn't a passive-aggressive shot at Jim either - i'm talking about the entire forum here.

Can you feel that Avalonians? well, can you? Good, cuz I can't either....

if is obvious that you know nothing about space .... the last time I had space this clean was in thailand just after I stopped the vietnamese from attacking the border of thailand ... and I could put a rainstorm from total clear blue to total heavy rain down in less than a minute ... if you can prove to me you can do that ... then I might agree with you ,..

this is world wide .... cleared world wide ... and it has never been cleared world wide before ,... got it???

jim

Mike
6th July 2013, 15:57
this thread was inspired by a recent Jim thread ( thanks Jim;)) )where he espoused this belief that something vitally and cosmically important may have just occurred, and that something of equal importance may be occuring soon) and is intended as a tongue in cheek response. no disrespect intended, truly - while my position is rather serious, the intent here is to provide a little levity.

there must be dozens upon dozens of these types of threads on Avalon. they generally go something like this:
"i'm feeling really strange lately, feeling as if something big might happen. can you guys feel that? are you tuned into the static? it's like the calm before the storm, isn't it? i'm not sure what it is exactly, but it feels like it's on it's way soon..." etc etc:)

said poster usually will offer physical, mental and perhaps metaphysical symptoms they are experiencing, in an attempt to fortify the huge leap in logic they are making (you're getting the ear buzzing too? well the world must be ending then!) the thread will usually go 4-5 pages at least, with members inevitably lining up to announce that they too are in tune with the apocalyptic vibes.

and then of course nothing happens.

our psychic track record is abominable, lets face it:) I get no joy out of saying that, but it's true.

so here's my plea: Avalonians, please stop pretending you're psychic, unless of course you are willing to demonstrate said abilities in a youtube video or something. speaking of which, you ever notice how weird and uptight everyone gets when someone is asked to demonstrate their abilities? it's as if we've all agreed to dedicate ourselves to this fictional paranormal fantasy, and damn you objective inquisitor for ruining our dream with your logical questions!;) that's the sort of feeling I get about it all. and this isn't a passive-aggressive shot at Jim either - i'm talking about the entire forum here.

Can you feel that Avalonians? well, can you? Good, cuz I can't either....

if is obvious that you know nothing about space .... the last time I had space this clean was in thailand just after I stopped the vietnamese from attacking the border of thailand ... and I could put a rainstorm from total clear blue to total heavy rain down in less than a minute ... if you can prove to me you can do that ... then I might agree with you ,..

this is world wide .... cleared world wide ... and it has never been cleared world wide before ,... got it???

jim



was that before or after you met Jesus?;)

Carmody
6th July 2013, 15:59
Astrology, the nature of matter, time of birth, wiring of the individual mind, this creates the individual response tuned to the individual person.

The astrology of the moment is universal to all, but affects each differently.

drugs and alcohol INTERFERE with natural function and these aspects of proper expression are lost. The capacity to cognate and navigate subtle energies are lost in the muck of the reception systems being damaged by the use of the drugs and alcohol.

The problem is always the projection of the ego self into identification with self, which by extension, becomes the representation of the world of all. The doorway of existence and the filter on existence are not one and the same, but the ego/avatar as a filter/autopilot.. and how it operates in those who are unaware of this, that component would have a 'person' believe it is so.

I could go on for months, and I have, but if a person is not just listening, but working on themselves, then it will mean and help explain very little.

it is very simple.

If the answer cannot be found, then the question is not the question, it is an incorrect formation of an inquiry.



this is wonderfully worded and would sit proudly beneath an Ansel Adams print, but this is precisely the sort of flowery, circuitous and evasive response I might expect when asking an alleged psychic/paranormalist to demonstrate their abilities.

no disrespect Carmody - like everyone else here, I do respect your mind...but this means very little to me.

Shall I be more direct?

Warp your mind and viewpoint/filter, as the package you are carrying now is not cognating the greater space. It is not a fault, it is the same for everyone. You will find the answer you need when the need is great enough. Until then some part of you will remain stubbornly outside of change.

sigma6
6th July 2013, 15:59
A fair and candid post Chinaski. I think there is a huge spectrum of human consciousness, and it requires a larger vocabulary of words and definitions to capture the subtle differentiation in people's otherwise legitimate experiences. That people experience things I have no doubt. That is the beauty and essence of being a living soul with a human volitional consciousness.

I perceive consciousness as a continuum similar to energy frequency, I have always pondered where does intuition lie on that spectrum, or prescience, clairvoyance, and other extra sensory perceptions. We know we have them, but few have any real control of such experiences, they are fleeting, ephemeral, and often unfortunately, mislabeled. And without a constant journal of critical feedback, necessary to develop any subtle skill imo, that is what they will always remain for the most part.

Mike
6th July 2013, 16:01
I must go now boys n girls - i'm finally breaking down to get cable and internet, so I must return to my place.

I shall return later, however.

fun and shenanigans promised;)

gripreaper
6th July 2013, 16:03
How one demonstrates their "level of consciousness" based on the amount of energy they can hold, amplify and emanate...to then produce phenomenon in the physical world, which can then be seen within the limited narrow band of the physical light spectrum, by others ,who can then empirically verify the veracity, amplitude and legitimacy of this phenomenon, by determining if it meets the criteria of being claireaudient, clairevoyant or clairesentient... or if the emanate human being transmitter vessel is just pontificating within the lower frequencies, which can then be codified, labeled, and placed within the aberrant polarized categories of phenomenon and experience which is not considered to be empirically of any magnificent stature, and summarily placed within the codices of not being too worthy of immanence or consideration within the co-creative and ascending dialectic which we here at Avalon generally espouse to, or be of an epic and splendid nature to be worthy of consideration of where these phenomenon are to be encoded within the visible light spectrum, and what level of consciousness they adhere to, or whether they meet the criteria of phenomenon which is generally not visible to the naked eye in the narrow bandwidth of the light spectrum, and thus meets criteria above the diagnostics of a "normal" nature and have "paranormal" characteristics.

Or, you could just watch how attractive or repulsive you are. :)

sigma6
6th July 2013, 16:07
and I could put a rainstorm from total clear blue to total heavy rain down in less than a minute ...

did you? or did you just "attune" yourself to this event? pick up on it in advance, and due to your place and time and experience, meshed its happening into your own life experience? see what I am getting at... it might be more complex then just intending things flat out...

just a thought... I should add still quite fascinating when these things occur nonetheless...

jiminii
6th July 2013, 16:16
How one demonstrates their "level of consciousness" based on the amount of energy they can hold, amplify and emanate...to then produce phenomenon in the physical world, which can then be seen within the limited narrow band of the physical light spectrum, by others ,who can then empirically verify the veracity, amplitude and legitimacy of this phenomenon, by determining if it meets the criteria of being claireaudient, clairevoyant or clairesentient... or if the emanate human being transmitter vessel is just pontificating within the lower frequencies, which can then be codified, labeled, and placed within the aberrant polarized categories of phenomenon and experience which is not considered to be empirically of any magnificent stature, and summarily placed within the codices of not being too worthy of immanence or consideration within the co-creative and ascending dialectic which we here at Avalon generally espouse to, or be of an epic and splendid nature to be worthy of consideration of where these phenomenon are to be encoded within the visible light spectrum, and what level of consciousness they adhere to, or whether they meet the criteria of phenomenon which is generally not visible to the naked eye in the narrow bandwidth of the light spectrum, and thus meets criteria above the diagnostics of a "normal" nature and have "paranormal" characteristics.

Or, you could just watch how attractive or repulsive you are. :)

we've had a huge attack across the USA from NSA protesters ... and Egypt kicking out their last leader ,... and I don't know all that is happening ,.. but since it is all attacks back against the elite .... it appears that would make the space clean ...

so I asked a simple question ... and others agreed .... some disagree ... but difference is ... I KNOW WHAT IS IN MY SPACE .... I can stop a hurricane on route to Clearwater florida from 2500 miles away ... and divert it .. to where I wanted it to go ... and I wrote it up what I would do with it ... before I did it ..... and it did exactly what i said it would do ... including "NO ONE GOT KILLED ON THE ENTIRE EAST COAST OF USA" .. after that hurricane just went up and destroyed most of the east coast ....

SO HOW MUCH WOULD YOU HAVE TO KNOW THAT IS IN YOUR SPACE TO KEEP MILLIONS FROM BEING KILLED BY A HURRICANE THAT JUST PASSED OVER THEM?

you would have to KNOW ,.. ALL OF IT .... to do something like that ...

jim

PS I will not allow someone to degrade spiritual abilities .. they not only do it to me and others ,.. they are doing it to themselves ,..

¤=[Post Update]=¤

this is not you gripreaper ... this is the guy who started this thread .... pure 100 percent entheta ... negative think

we don't need this

we need more people pushing for alignment of all spirit beings to win this battle

not more clowns

jim

jiminii
6th July 2013, 16:20
and I could put a rainstorm from total clear blue to total heavy rain down in less than a minute ...

did you? or did you just "attune" yourself to this event? pick up on it in advance, and due to your place and time and experience, meshed its happening into your own life experience? see what I am getting at... it might be more complex then just intending things flat out...

just a thought... I should add still quite fascinating when these things occur nonetheless...

No .. I don't look at it that way ...

it has happened too many times ...

when you stop rain between two traffic signals a block apart right after you told someone you will do it ... and 15 minutes later .. it is raining everywhere but on that city block

I can't say that is coincident

jim

jiminii
6th July 2013, 16:25
this thread was inspired by a recent Jim thread ( thanks Jim;)) )where he espoused this belief that something vitally and cosmically important may have just occurred, and that something of equal importance may be occuring soon) and is intended as a tongue in cheek response. no disrespect intended, truly - while my position is rather serious, the intent here is to provide a little levity.

there must be dozens upon dozens of these types of threads on Avalon. they generally go something like this:
"i'm feeling really strange lately, feeling as if something big might happen. can you guys feel that? are you tuned into the static? it's like the calm before the storm, isn't it? i'm not sure what it is exactly, but it feels like it's on it's way soon..." etc etc:)

said poster usually will offer physical, mental and perhaps metaphysical symptoms they are experiencing, in an attempt to fortify the huge leap in logic they are making (you're getting the ear buzzing too? well the world must be ending then!) the thread will usually go 4-5 pages at least, with members inevitably lining up to announce that they too are in tune with the apocalyptic vibes.

and then of course nothing happens.

our psychic track record is abominable, lets face it:) I get no joy out of saying that, but it's true.

so here's my plea: Avalonians, please stop pretending you're psychic, unless of course you are willing to demonstrate said abilities in a youtube video or something. speaking of which, you ever notice how weird and uptight everyone gets when someone is asked to demonstrate their abilities? it's as if we've all agreed to dedicate ourselves to this fictional paranormal fantasy, and damn you objective inquisitor for ruining our dream with your logical questions!;) that's the sort of feeling I get about it all. and this isn't a passive-aggressive shot at Jim either - i'm talking about the entire forum here.

Can you feel that Avalonians? well, can you? Good, cuz I can't either....

if is obvious that you know nothing about space .... the last time I had space this clean was in thailand just after I stopped the vietnamese from attacking the border of thailand ... and I could put a rainstorm from total clear blue to total heavy rain down in less than a minute ... if you can prove to me you can do that ... then I might agree with you ,..

this is world wide .... cleared world wide ... and it has never been cleared world wide before ,... got it???

jim



was that before or after you met Jesus?;)

why don't you read my threads .... I went back to the see Christ on the cross ... and there was a cloaked in gold UFO in front of him shooting negative energy into him to prevent him from doing what he intended to do ....while implanting the area with negative mental image pictures ...

want to learn something or ... just say you know it all from reading someone else's book

ghostrider
6th July 2013, 16:39
I can help you with this, the next time you drive to work, try taking a different route... if you to the same way, thats okay , try again the next day, change the time you wake, change the time you to to sleep... it's an excercise in what is driving you, you or is it impules from somewhere else, explore your thoughts and feelings and where they come from ... time at the ocean alone will help your mind clear... too many humans together cloud the mind/feelings... when you learn to feel them and let them guide you , you will notice the slightest change in everything, smells , sounds, light, energy... it really does work ... thats how I did it ... always be open minded and know that everything is connected by energy, it's all one energy with different forms , still one spirit, one energy, oneness ... nature extends this feeling , learn to feel, go look in the eyes of an animal, and feel ...walk in the woods and feel... daydream up at the night sky and feel ... it takes practice because the natural mind is bombarded by noise from the world we live in, constantly ...this sounds rude but it worked for me , in your mind tell yourself to shut up and feel...listen... wait ... it was life changing for me...

ghostrider
6th July 2013, 16:57
How one demonstrates their "level of consciousness" based on the amount of energy they can hold, amplify and emanate...to then produce phenomenon in the physical world, which can then be seen within the limited narrow band of the physical light spectrum, by others ,who can then empirically verify the veracity, amplitude and legitimacy of this phenomenon, by determining if it meets the criteria of being claireaudient, clairevoyant or clairesentient... or if the emanate human being transmitter vessel is just pontificating within the lower frequencies, which can then be codified, labeled, and placed within the aberrant polarized categories of phenomenon and experience which is not considered to be empirically of any magnificent stature, and summarily placed within the codices of not being too worthy of immanence or consideration within the co-creative and ascending dialectic which we here at Avalon generally espouse to, or be of an epic and splendid nature to be worthy of consideration of where these phenomenon are to be encoded within the visible light spectrum, and what level of consciousness they adhere to, or whether they meet the criteria of phenomenon which is generally not visible to the naked eye in the narrow bandwidth of the light spectrum, and thus meets criteria above the diagnostics of a "normal" nature and have "paranormal" characteristics.

Or, you could just watch how attractive or repulsive you are. :)

we've had a huge attack across the USA from NSA protesters ... and Egypt kicking out their last leader ,... and I don't know all that is happening ,.. but since it is all attacks back against the elite .... it appears that would make the space clean ...

so I asked a simple question ... and others agreed .... some disagree ... but difference is ... I KNOW WHAT IS IN MY SPACE .... I can stop a hurricane on route to Clearwater florida from 2500 miles away ... and divert it .. to where I wanted it to go ... and I wrote it up what I would do with it ... before I did it ..... and it did exactly what i said it would do ... including "NO ONE GOT KILLED ON THE ENTIRE EAST COAST OF USA" .. after that hurricane just went up and destroyed most of the east coast ....

SO HOW MUCH WOULD YOU HAVE TO KNOW THAT IS IN YOUR SPACE TO KEEP MILLIONS FROM BEING KILLED BY A HURRICANE THAT JUST PASSED OVER THEM?

you would have to KNOW ,.. ALL OF IT .... to do something like that ...

jim

PS I will not allow someone to degrade spiritual abilities .. they not only do it to me and others ,.. they are doing it to themselves ,..

¤=[Post Update]=¤

this is not you gripreaper ... this is the guy who started this thread .... pure 100 percent entheta ... negative think

we don't need this

we need more people pushing for alignment of all spirit beings to win this battle

not more clowns

jim

I was trying to clear the sky yesterday, we were in the pool , enjoying the beauty, of a few clouds beautiful sun rays around them, trying to block our sunlight , it had the opposite effect, one hour later the sky tore , lighting thunder and the power went out three times... the forcast was for clear skies and sunny, it went cloudy and rained like noahs ark for an hour... no one could explain it ... I make no claim of ability, but I know all energy is connected somehow, it seemed natural to try and affect my environment, the wife didn't even question me, about my hand to the sky and my eyes closed breathing slowy and focus ... ten minutes and she didn't even notice ... we have abilities but most or some are afraid to experiment, it is written greater works shall ye do, say unto the mountain be cast into the sea ... etc... i put it to the test every chance I get... things have been weird to say the least ...

ghostrider
6th July 2013, 17:04
They said forever a new age is coming, a new time , you'd wake up and say things just seem different, uhhhhhh get used to it , this is just the begining...I'm gonna post all the stuff I experience , I'b been afraid of being labeled crazy or get the little avalon disclaimer , gonna share anyhoo, believe what you want, I am not afraid anymore ...I have no agenda , not axe to grind, just what I personaly experience, it's my truth and my experience may it give courage to others to be more open than they ever have ... there's some really spiritually powerful people here, I'm just a baby at this stuff ... but I feel compelled to be more open ...it's all to help , to encourage, to inspire, to unite ... we need to stick together, now more than ever, we've waited 3,860 yrs to move out of the spiral arm of the milkyway and get free open cosmic space energy to hit us directly ...

jiminii
6th July 2013, 17:19
Re: Your thoughts on what's going down in Egypt?
this can go the way we want it ... if we all decide it ... we have the combined power on this forum alone to do it ... the thing is ... they are getting attacked from all fronts ... and it might be NOW ... they are a bit afraid to stick their noses out any farther ... so this is where the people must carry it to the next step ...
how ....????

get me some really positive people like whitefeather and ulli and some of the mods .. and some of the natural clears I found on this website
all deciding to hold the space of the planet

just decide your space is covering the planet ... and let the spirit inside you DO WHAT IT KNOWS IT CAN DO ....

and with THAT ... we can let our combined POWER SPIRITUALLY WITHOUT WORDS ... JUST OUR KNOWINGNESS ... WE CAN MANAGE ALL THESE ENTITIES LIKE WE ONCE DID IN THE STARS BEFORE WE CAME HERE ...

we can do this ...

jim

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Re: Your thoughts on what's going down in Egypt?
actually I have to thank everyone for their post ... even the negative posts ... it let me see what the next step is ... it is ok to postulate kicking the enemy out of power ,.. but at the same time he has hired all the biggest management people to create this mess ....

so you can knock out their space ... make them lose power in egypt and everywhere else ... but you must carry the entire responsibility too ... you must also decide you are with your own knowingness ... (this exceeds the time of this universe ... but there were universes before this one so that is A LOT OF KNOWINGINESS)

you can't see this KNOWINGNESS ,.. but you can SEE what it does ... when you drive a car down a windy mountain at high speeds and keep control of all of it ..

YOU KNOW .. and the BODY FOLLOWS IT ... it you had to CALCULATE IT ... with your mind you would NOT be able to control the car FAST enough ...

so with this KNOWINGNESS .. and ASSUMED SPACE .. the more space you can occupy the more power you can generate in that space ... so we have to cover ALL the VARIABLES ... YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON OFF THIS PLANET ... you just KNOW ... maybe this body doesn't know but the spirit KNOWS ... so let THAT PART THAT KNOWS .. DO WHAT IT KNOWS HOW TO DO ... you will get thoughts reflecting back from anything you are doing in that space ...

this is not EFFORT ... like DOING LONG PERIODS OF MEDITATION ...(not fast enough) ... this is REAL TIME ... just decide you KNOW how to do it .. OCCUPY the space of the Galaxy and PUT IN THE INTENTIONS of THE RESULT YOU WANT TO HAPPEN ON THIS PLANET ... AS THOUGH IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED ....

that IS the shortest time you can think or look at ... and LET THE BEING YOU ARE ... DO WHAT IT KNOWS IT CAN DO ....

do you get the idea?

jim

ulli
6th July 2013, 17:21
How one demonstrates their "level of consciousness" based on the amount of energy they can hold, amplify and emanate...to then produce phenomenon in the physical world, which can then be seen within the limited narrow band of the physical light spectrum, by others ,who can then empirically verify the veracity, amplitude and legitimacy of this phenomenon, by determining if it meets the criteria of being claireaudient, clairevoyant or clairesentient... or if the emanate human being transmitter vessel is just pontificating within the lower frequencies, which can then be codified, labeled, and placed within the aberrant polarized categories of phenomenon and experience which is not considered to be empirically of any magnificent stature, and summarily placed within the codices of not being too worthy of immanence or consideration within the co-creative and ascending dialectic which we here at Avalon generally espouse to, or be of an epic and splendid nature to be worthy of consideration of where these phenomenon are to be encoded within the visible light spectrum, and what level of consciousness they adhere to, or whether they meet the criteria of phenomenon which is generally not visible to the naked eye in the narrow bandwidth of the light spectrum, and thus meets criteria above the diagnostics of a "normal" nature and have "paranormal" characteristics.

Or, you could just watch how attractive or repulsive you are. :)

we've had a huge attack across the USA from NSA protesters ... and Egypt kicking out their last leader ,... and I don't know all that is happening ,.. but since it is all attacks back against the elite .... it appears that would make the space clean ...

so I asked a simple question ... and others agreed .... some disagree ... but difference is ... I KNOW WHAT IS IN MY SPACE .... I can stop a hurricane on route to Clearwater florida from 2500 miles away ... and divert it .. to where I wanted it to go ... and I wrote it up what I would do with it ... before I did it ..... and it did exactly what i said it would do ... including "NO ONE GOT KILLED ON THE ENTIRE EAST COAST OF USA" .. after that hurricane just went up and destroyed most of the east coast ....

SO HOW MUCH WOULD YOU HAVE TO KNOW THAT IS IN YOUR SPACE TO KEEP MILLIONS FROM BEING KILLED BY A HURRICANE THAT JUST PASSED OVER THEM?

you would have to KNOW ,.. ALL OF IT .... to do something like that ...

jim

PS I will not allow someone to degrade spiritual abilities .. they not only do it to me and others ,.. they are doing it to themselves ,..

¤=[Post Update]=¤

this is not you gripreaper ... this is the guy who started this thread .... pure 100 percent entheta ... negative think

we don't need this

we need more people pushing for alignment of all spirit beings to win this battle

not more clowns

jim

I was trying to clear the sky yesterday, we were in the pool , enjoying the beauty, of a few clouds beautiful sun rays around them, trying to block our sunlight , it had the opposite effect, one hour later the sky tore , lighting thunder and the power went out three times... the forcast was for clear skies and sunny, it went cloudy and rained like noahs ark for an hour... no one could explain it ... I make no claim of ability, but I know all energy is connected somehow, it seemed natural to try and affect my environment, the wife didn't even question me, about my hand to the sky and my eyes closed breathing slowy and focus ... ten minutes and she didn't even notice ... we have abilities but most or some are afraid to experiment, it is written greater works shall ye do, say unto the mountain be cast into the sea ... etc... i put it to the test every chance I get... things have been weird to say the least ...

It's all about integrating the inner shadow first. The bringing together of all fragments of our personality, including the stuff we are in denial about.
Until then the inner saboteur is the creative force, the subconscious.
Explains why so many people get the opposite of what they wish for.
Total honesty with self, and integrity, (wholeness) is the way to go. Regular self exams, and overcoming bad habits.
This is an exact science.

PurpleLama
6th July 2013, 17:22
For Mike.... (not to Mike, just for him, I think he will understand)

RI4SzEb5tog

DeDukshyn
6th July 2013, 17:27
I am a person who can be sensitive to very subtle energies, but I wouldn't ever call myself psychic, I am more intuitive in action, not psychic in thought.

I can very often feel a waxing moon as it approaches full, and feel an abrupt energy transition as it begins to wane. I can feel the energy of the earth a little as I travel to different areas. The feeling of the West Coast of Canada, for example, is vastly different than the energy here in Calgary.

However, all these feelings can be verified with an actual "something" and can sometimes be confirmed by others feelings as well. I wonder how many people are sensitive like this but are unaware of what it is that drives their "feelings"?

When it comes to posts, as Chinaski indicates, it is all about whether a thread or topic has real value or contribution or not. I agree with the comment that we don't have a particularly great track record on any type of prediction; Bill made a very cautious predictions post about a year or so back that has also not had any elements come to pass -- even with his broad insight.

Then there is also the "date" issue --- some predictions may come true at some point, but almost never on the date or time claimed. All these factors considered, and without diminishing anyone's "powers" ;), there will always be little value to me in prediction threads, no matter who is making the predictions.

jiminii
6th July 2013, 17:29
How one demonstrates their "level of consciousness" based on the amount of energy they can hold, amplify and emanate...to then produce phenomenon in the physical world, which can then be seen within the limited narrow band of the physical light spectrum, by others ,who can then empirically verify the veracity, amplitude and legitimacy of this phenomenon, by determining if it meets the criteria of being claireaudient, clairevoyant or clairesentient... or if the emanate human being transmitter vessel is just pontificating within the lower frequencies, which can then be codified, labeled, and placed within the aberrant polarized categories of phenomenon and experience which is not considered to be empirically of any magnificent stature, and summarily placed within the codices of not being too worthy of immanence or consideration within the co-creative and ascending dialectic which we here at Avalon generally espouse to, or be of an epic and splendid nature to be worthy of consideration of where these phenomenon are to be encoded within the visible light spectrum, and what level of consciousness they adhere to, or whether they meet the criteria of phenomenon which is generally not visible to the naked eye in the narrow bandwidth of the light spectrum, and thus meets criteria above the diagnostics of a "normal" nature and have "paranormal" characteristics.

Or, you could just watch how attractive or repulsive you are. :)

we've had a huge attack across the USA from NSA protesters ... and Egypt kicking out their last leader ,... and I don't know all that is happening ,.. but since it is all attacks back against the elite .... it appears that would make the space clean ...

so I asked a simple question ... and others agreed .... some disagree ... but difference is ... I KNOW WHAT IS IN MY SPACE .... I can stop a hurricane on route to Clearwater florida from 2500 miles away ... and divert it .. to where I wanted it to go ... and I wrote it up what I would do with it ... before I did it ..... and it did exactly what i said it would do ... including "NO ONE GOT KILLED ON THE ENTIRE EAST COAST OF USA" .. after that hurricane just went up and destroyed most of the east coast ....

SO HOW MUCH WOULD YOU HAVE TO KNOW THAT IS IN YOUR SPACE TO KEEP MILLIONS FROM BEING KILLED BY A HURRICANE THAT JUST PASSED OVER THEM?

you would have to KNOW ,.. ALL OF IT .... to do something like that ...

jim

PS I will not allow someone to degrade spiritual abilities .. they not only do it to me and others ,.. they are doing it to themselves ,..

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this is not you gripreaper ... this is the guy who started this thread .... pure 100 percent entheta ... negative think

we don't need this

we need more people pushing for alignment of all spirit beings to win this battle

not more clowns

jim

I was trying to clear the sky yesterday, we were in the pool , enjoying the beauty, of a few clouds beautiful sun rays around them, trying to block our sunlight , it had the opposite effect, one hour later the sky tore , lighting thunder and the power went out three times... the forcast was for clear skies and sunny, it went cloudy and rained like noahs ark for an hour... no one could explain it ... I make no claim of ability, but I know all energy is connected somehow, it seemed natural to try and affect my environment, the wife didn't even question me, about my hand to the sky and my eyes closed breathing slowy and focus ... ten minutes and she didn't even notice ... we have abilities but most or some are afraid to experiment, it is written greater works shall ye do, say unto the mountain be cast into the sea ... etc... i put it to the test every chance I get... things have been weird to say the least ...

that is soooooooooooo funny ... I laughing a lot ,... that is good you tried ,.. but you might have put in the negative thought ,.. which usually follows the positive thought ... you put out a positive thought ... "clear sky" .. and then it gets hit by the worst first ... everything you resist .. comes in ,. but don't quit .... never quit .. just cancel any negative thoughts that follow .. to prevent them from going into effect ... so the original postulate goes in and gets clear sky ... but I am glad you tried ... you can see the power of a spirit .. and that is worth it ...

jim

jiminii
6th July 2013, 17:37
How one demonstrates their "level of consciousness" based on the amount of energy they can hold, amplify and emanate...to then produce phenomenon in the physical world, which can then be seen within the limited narrow band of the physical light spectrum, by others ,who can then empirically verify the veracity, amplitude and legitimacy of this phenomenon, by determining if it meets the criteria of being claireaudient, clairevoyant or clairesentient... or if the emanate human being transmitter vessel is just pontificating within the lower frequencies, which can then be codified, labeled, and placed within the aberrant polarized categories of phenomenon and experience which is not considered to be empirically of any magnificent stature, and summarily placed within the codices of not being too worthy of immanence or consideration within the co-creative and ascending dialectic which we here at Avalon generally espouse to, or be of an epic and splendid nature to be worthy of consideration of where these phenomenon are to be encoded within the visible light spectrum, and what level of consciousness they adhere to, or whether they meet the criteria of phenomenon which is generally not visible to the naked eye in the narrow bandwidth of the light spectrum, and thus meets criteria above the diagnostics of a "normal" nature and have "paranormal" characteristics.

Or, you could just watch how attractive or repulsive you are. :)

we've had a huge attack across the USA from NSA protesters ... and Egypt kicking out their last leader ,... and I don't know all that is happening ,.. but since it is all attacks back against the elite .... it appears that would make the space clean ...

so I asked a simple question ... and others agreed .... some disagree ... but difference is ... I KNOW WHAT IS IN MY SPACE .... I can stop a hurricane on route to Clearwater florida from 2500 miles away ... and divert it .. to where I wanted it to go ... and I wrote it up what I would do with it ... before I did it ..... and it did exactly what i said it would do ... including "NO ONE GOT KILLED ON THE ENTIRE EAST COAST OF USA" .. after that hurricane just went up and destroyed most of the east coast ....

SO HOW MUCH WOULD YOU HAVE TO KNOW THAT IS IN YOUR SPACE TO KEEP MILLIONS FROM BEING KILLED BY A HURRICANE THAT JUST PASSED OVER THEM?

you would have to KNOW ,.. ALL OF IT .... to do something like that ...

jim

PS I will not allow someone to degrade spiritual abilities .. they not only do it to me and others ,.. they are doing it to themselves ,..

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this is not you gripreaper ... this is the guy who started this thread .... pure 100 percent entheta ... negative think

we don't need this

we need more people pushing for alignment of all spirit beings to win this battle

not more clowns

jim

I was trying to clear the sky yesterday, we were in the pool , enjoying the beauty, of a few clouds beautiful sun rays around them, trying to block our sunlight , it had the opposite effect, one hour later the sky tore , lighting thunder and the power went out three times... the forcast was for clear skies and sunny, it went cloudy and rained like noahs ark for an hour... no one could explain it ... I make no claim of ability, but I know all energy is connected somehow, it seemed natural to try and affect my environment, the wife didn't even question me, about my hand to the sky and my eyes closed breathing slowy and focus ... ten minutes and she didn't even notice ... we have abilities but most or some are afraid to experiment, it is written greater works shall ye do, say unto the mountain be cast into the sea ... etc... i put it to the test every chance I get... things have been weird to say the least ...

that is soooooooooooo funny ... I laughing a lot ,... that is good you tried ,.. but you might have put in the negative thought ,.. which usually follows the positive thought ... you put out a positive thought ... "clear sky" .. and then it gets hit by the worst first ... everything you resist .. comes in ,. but don't quit .... never quit .. just cancel any negative thoughts that follow .. to prevent them from going into effect ... so the original postulate goes in and gets clear sky ... but I am glad you tried ... you can see the power of a spirit .. and that is worth it ...

jim

I guess this is why Scientologist didn't want me talking to people about weather ... every time I did ... I flooded the base ... now .. here it is coming down like buckets on top of buckets ... a minute or so after I posted this to you

jim

shadowstalker
6th July 2013, 17:38
so here's my plea: Avalonians, please stop pretending you're psychic, unless of course you are willing to demonstrate said abilities in a youtube video or something. speaking of which, you ever notice how weird and uptight everyone gets when someone is asked to demonstrate their abilities? it's as if we've all agreed to dedicate ourselves to this fictional paranormal fantasy, and damn you objective inquisitor for ruining our dream with your logical questions! that's the sort of feeling I get about it all. and this isn't a passive-aggressive shot at Jim either - i'm talking about the entire forum here.

And seeings how you all but accused the entire forum of pretending/lieing about being psychically gifted.

1.)Not everyone can demonstrate on demand there gifts as most of us can't and at this time are un-able to control what we have.
That's one of the reason why folks like us get all, nervous.
And if that reason isn't good enough, then that's just tough on you not them.

2.)Making a public display via WWW could also pose a danger to those who can perform there gifts on demand.

Those are the two main reasons why most folks don't do the SHOW ALL deal.

And if those reasons aren't good enough to folks like you then it says more about you then it does about the folks your challenging.
We didn't come hear to be challenged and/or ridiculed about what we are gifted with.
We didn't come here to be challenged and/or ridiculed about any of our experiences.

We came here because we feel it is safe, and to a degree it still is.

I can appreciate one being a skeptic in these things, to a certain degree.
But once one starts making accusations and to a certain degree, calling ppl liars,or accusing them of lieing to themselves, that's where I draw the line.

ulli
6th July 2013, 17:47
Astrology, the nature of matter, time of birth, wiring of the individual mind, this creates the individual response tuned to the individual person.

The astrology of the moment is universal to all, but affects each differently.

drugs and alcohol INTERFERE with natural function and these aspects of proper expression are lost. The capacity to cognate and navigate subtle energies are lost in the muck of the reception systems being damaged by the use of the drugs and alcohol.

The problem is always the projection of the ego self into identification with self, which by extension, becomes the representation of the world of all. The doorway of existence and the filter on existence are not one and the same, but the ego/avatar as a filter/autopilot.. and how it operates in those who are unaware of this, that component would have a 'person' believe it is so.

I could go on for months, and I have, but if a person is not just listening, but working on themselves, then it will mean and help explain very little.

it is very simple.

If the answer cannot be found, then the question is not the question, it is an incorrect formation of an inquiry.



this is wonderfully worded and would sit proudly beneath an Ansel Adams print, but this is precisely the sort of flowery, circuitous and evasive response I might expect when asking an alleged psychic/paranormalist to demonstrate their abilities.

no disrespect Carmody - like everyone else here, I do respect your mind...but this means very little to me.

Shall I be more direct?

Warp your mind and viewpoint/filter, as the package you are carrying now is not cognating the greater space. It is not a fault, it is the same for everyone. You will find the answer you need when the need is great enough. Until then some part of you will remain stubbornly outside of change.

Carmody is going direct! About time, lol. (private astro joke between Carmody and me)

Only loss of ego and humility opens the gateway for the universe to reveal its secrets
and such humility only comes about via intense suffering, unfortunately.

Without that humility there is only childlike demands, which are either superficial,
or backed by anger at the fact that things aren't easier than they are.

Either way, it's like wanting the fried chicken to fly into one's mouth.

ghostrider
6th July 2013, 17:47
even with a demonstration, you won't believe it, the natural mind will deny anything it doesn't understand ... and try and make it fit into the comfortable little box of safety ... there is a couple people putting a sheild around the forum members, (you know who you are,) they use psi abilities all the time , we have guardians , you'll never see them and they will remain under the radar doing what they do... hint a few that were sick are now heathly...my wifey is still in good health... and has been since her psi attack, never again having ANY symptoms, doctors can't explain it ... lol

PurpleLama
6th July 2013, 17:51
On thursday morning, the sky was a solid sheet of grey clouds. I built a fire in the altar, and as I was giving thanks the clouds broke just enough, a clear beam of sunlight about five feet around shone straight down, well rather diagonally, down upon the altar.

When real weather magic is done, in alignment with what's above, no harm is done, only prevented. It is a soothing of the consciousness of an area that soothes the destructive potential of a storm. To do so without warrant, without purpose, to experiment or for fun, affecting the lives and experience of unknown others, is anathema. There seems to be little wisdom in how this weather working has been presented as of late. By aligning the peace within self with the peace of the earth herself, so too is peace brought to the sometimes chaotic energy of storm.

To try to teach it any other way, is worse than irresponsible. What good is all this high falutin ability if anything other than good is derived from it? While you are steering storms this way and that, you are interfering with others who would reduce the destructive power such a storm may bring. Do you see? Can you see?

jiminii
6th July 2013, 17:59
so here's my plea: Avalonians, please stop pretending you're psychic, unless of course you are willing to demonstrate said abilities in a youtube video or something. speaking of which, you ever notice how weird and uptight everyone gets when someone is asked to demonstrate their abilities? it's as if we've all agreed to dedicate ourselves to this fictional paranormal fantasy, and damn you objective inquisitor for ruining our dream with your logical questions! that's the sort of feeling I get about it all. and this isn't a passive-aggressive shot at Jim either - i'm talking about the entire forum here.

And seeings how you all but accused the entire forum of pretending/lieing about being psychically gifted.

1.)Not everyone can demonstrate on demand there gifts as most of us can't and at this time are un-able to control what we have.
That's one of the reason why folks like us get all, nervous.
And if that reason isn't good enough, then that's just tough on you not them.

2.)Making a public display via WWW could also pose a danger to those who can perform there gifts on demand.

Those are the two main reasons why most folks don't do the SHOW ALL deal.

And if those reasons aren't good enough to folks like you then it says more about you then it does about the folks your challenging.
We didn't come hear to be challenged and/or ridiculed about what we are gifted with.
We didn't come here to be challenged and/or ridiculed about any of our experiences.

We came here because we feel it is safe, and to a degree it still is.

I can appreciate one being a skeptic in these things, to a certain degree.
But once one starts making accusations and to a certain degree, calling ppl liars,or accusing them of lieing to themselves, that's where I draw the line.

there are people who can do this ... ... my friend in thailand didn't know she could do it ... but after I explained it ... she was able to do it almost instantaneous ... she wants to go to the mall but it is raining so she stops the rain to go there ... ... the rainy season starts up and has lighning and thunder ... she says to the sky 'please don't scare me ... with the lightning and thunder ... just give me gentle rain ..." .. for weeks .. when the rain comes in ... no thunder and lightning ... just gentle rain ...

each has abilities to put postulates in effect .. the more obvious is things you can see ... decide to turn left and then turn the wheel left ... decide someone will pay you what they owe you and you get paid .. decide someone will call you .. and the phone rings and the person you wanted to call you is calling ... there are all levels ...

in my case it turned on accidentally ... the problem then WASN'T CREATNG RAIN ... the problem was ... to control it better so it didn't do so much damage ... or when you get negative thoughts ... they come in and the environment was VERY DANGEROUS ... like get picked up by someone while hitchhiking who is on drugs .. and he decides to race down the main streets of a small town .. and I have to confront this and keep him from wrecking the car ... so I had to find out how to stop those thoughts and get better control of them ...

so it can be a burden both ways ... it can be a burden if you have your thoughts always happening ... and get wildly dramatic ... and it is a burden too when you can't make your thoughts work and get a job or get paid after you did a job ...

jim

Another1
6th July 2013, 18:02
With the tempo in most all of our media being doom and gloom, it would be easy to interpret any increased or odd energy as a potential bad omen and want to warn others. I know the waves of energy people report are quite real and sometimes wish I could prove it to others.

It's the professional channellers making bank with predictions that never come true when or as stated that bug me.

I spent a dozen years trying to prove something, anything to one very important person who could tongue in cheek politely troll one of us 24/7 - all I could ever manifest on any reliable basis was feel-good moments. Like my avatar here. At the end of one intense troll session over how deluded all us people are out here, this little bird came to visit and spent a 1/2 hour with me like an old friend. It sat in my open hand perfectly calm for all the neighborhood kids to see and for the troll to take this photo, then it pretty much just said farewell and was gone. My friend's response? "That kinda chit won't pay the rent." And I could not argue, unless I were to start a circus act I suppose. It's frustrating when they snicker.

shadowstalker
6th July 2013, 18:08
jiminii Yup there are folks who can do it on demand, more power to them. I wish I was one of those ppl.

But what I don't appreciate is the STEP & Fetch attitude of certain skeptics.
Either they make demands and/or accusations. (the part most don't appreciate)
Or they simply don't believe any. (that part i am fine with)

christian
6th July 2013, 18:18
so here's my plea: Avalonians, please stop pretending you're psychic, unless of course you are willing to demonstrate said abilities in a youtube video or something.

I think everyone is psychic, just not everybody is aware of it. Being psychic just means being intuitive, that can happen on any level, precognition of any kind or measure. I have a personal track record with very distinct things that happened, stuff that is clearly beyond random circumstance... Don't think I'll make a YT video about it though, at least not anytime soon... My focus is not on getting others to believe me, I want them to discover their psychic abilities themselves. Of course sometimes telling my own stories can help there to inspire others, to make them go for it.

When someone on the forum shares a genuine intuition, I'm fine with that. Why not, could be something, could be nothing... Same with so many other news stories.

When we all communicate what moves us and are respectful with each other, I think we can figure out a lot. :)

ulli
6th July 2013, 18:26
On thursday morning, the sky was a solid sheet of grey clouds. I built a fire in the altar, and as I was giving thanks the clouds broke just enough, a clear beam of sunlight about five feet around shone straight down, well rather diagonally, down upon the altar.

When real weather magic is done, in alignment with what's above, no harm is done, only prevented. It is a soothing of the consciousness of an area that soothes the destructive potential of a storm. To do so without warrant, without purpose, to experiment or for fun, affecting the lives and experience of unknown others, is anathema. There seems to be little wisdom in how this weather working has been presented as of late. By aligning the peace within self with the peace of the earth herself, so too is peace brought to the sometimes chaotic energy of storm.

To try to teach it any other way, is worse than irresponsible. What good is all this high falutin ability if anything other than good is derived from it? While you are steering storms this way and that, you are interfering with others who would reduce the destructive power such a storm may bring. Do you see? Can you see?

It will take a few generations to get it right.
Hurricanes aren't supposed to make landfall, ever.
Too much trauma for people and land animals.

But for now the media bring people's attention to every little bluster
and when millions of people focus on something then it brings it about
and it could even become magnified.

Fear management is the first step. Getting help from above is the second step.
I don't care about the voices that deny that there is invisible help out there...
I know it is there, only waiting for us to ask, and overcome our pride.
We would equally help the less fortunate when they ask. It works in both directions.
So Im all for tuning into the highest energies, and as a group effort...
small groups can do a lot.

shadowstalker
6th July 2013, 18:26
INTUITION is the most loving gift and most prevalent gift we all have.
And I am going to listen and do what my intuition tells me and speak my final peace on this trap and mind field of a thread.

Good luck with the skepticism, you wont get far with it and you wont prove or disprove anything either.

Thank you for helping me fly higher then before.
Ppl who have and have acknowledged there gifts will understand what I have said.:cool:

jiminii
6th July 2013, 18:28
the main thing is this .... it takes power to free yourself from a prison planet ... this is not normal to have your viewpoint as a spirit shifted to operate inside a persons head and use the eyes and perceptions of an animal . totally implanted to believe it is an animal ...

we make this universe ... and every single atom is being recreated again and again and again ... by all of the spirit beings in this universe ... You can not BE in this universe and CHANGE any of it if you are not CREATING IT (which is changing any of the positions of atoms to different positions ...like moving an animal body instant by instant in each new creation of space time continuum ) but now you've made the creation more important than the creators ... we shouldn't destroy things ... in our learning ... TRAP ... that is what got us here in the first place ... having weak beings who lost their powers through abuse ... trying to pull down the big beings ... so eventually all of us would be trapped in our own creation ...
They want us to do something here ... they want us to prove we as POWERFUL SPIRITS .. that were once capable of tossing planets out into outer space .. like we do playing baseball ...can live and operate safely with these weak minded beings that lost their powers long ago through abuse ..

no we should be getting them up and confronting their abilities and get them to be responsible for their actions .. and we CAN section a part of a galaxy of space where we can let them train without damaging things

now ... we are the creators ... and they have implanted us to convince us we are not ... they have gone to such an expense to put Theta traps all over the universe designed to TRAP spirits so they can dump them on this planet with no powers ...

implant stations on venus and mars .. with beams around this planet to catch spirits when they die ... and they will always say ... LET"S BE REASONABLE ... about it ...

in 367 years from now .. they will have put all their mind control probes throughout this galaxy and the conversions of our bodies to a degree where these reptilians will be controlling us from inside our mind with pain and punishment ... complete terror ... if we don't stop it NOW ...

I might be destructive sometimes ... because I didn't formulate the exact thought that would have handled some situation ... but I am not going quit being me ... or let anyone intimidate me with their ... LET'S BE REASONABLE ... lets do what those governments up there did .. to get the people to agree to TRAP all the powerful spiritual beings on a planet like this ...

those same people that trapped us here are also trapped here themselves ... and they are creating the same wars .. they did up there as they are doing here now .. and attacking anything that is spiritual like the chinese invasion of tibet as they did up there to the powerful spirits they trapped here ... so

I am not going to be reasonable ... I am going to use every ounce of my power to pull these war mongers down and get them jailed until we can find a way to heal them

jim

Mike
6th July 2013, 18:32
OK, Chinaski the ruler hath returned...to find out who dareth challenge him.

I had a Verizon guy here this morning - took him 5 hrs to install all my stuff. Is that normal? Christ, the last time I had cable it was 30 bucks a month. Now its 80!?! Well at least I have the net now, so I'll attempt to respond to some of these posts...but I'm operating from a smart phone now, which is extremely slow-going and awkward for me...so please be patient avalonians...

Mike
6th July 2013, 18:45
this thread was inspired by a recent Jim thread ( thanks Jim;)) )where he espoused this belief that something vitally and cosmically important may have just occurred, and that something of equal importance may be occuring soon) and is intended as a tongue in cheek response. no disrespect intended, truly - while my position is rather serious, the intent here is to provide a little levity.

there must be dozens upon dozens of these types of threads on Avalon. they generally go something like this:
"i'm feeling really strange lately, feeling as if something big might happen. can you guys feel that? are you tuned into the static? it's like the calm before the storm, isn't it? i'm not sure what it is exactly, but it feels like it's on it's way soon..." etc etc:)

said poster usually will offer physical, mental and perhaps metaphysical symptoms they are experiencing, in an attempt to fortify the huge leap in logic they are making (you're getting the ear buzzing too? well the world must be ending then!) the thread will usually go 4-5 pages at least, with members inevitably lining up to announce that they too are in tune with the apocalyptic vibes.

and then of course nothing happens.

our psychic track record is abominable, lets face it:) I get no joy out of saying that, but it's true.

so here's my plea: Avalonians, please stop pretending you're psychic, unless of course you are willing to demonstrate said abilities in a youtube video or something. speaking of which, you ever notice how weird and uptight everyone gets when someone is asked to demonstrate their abilities? it's as if we've all agreed to dedicate ourselves to this fictional paranormal fantasy, and damn you objective inquisitor for ruining our dream with your logical questions!;) that's the sort of feeling I get about it all. and this isn't a passive-aggressive shot at Jim either - i'm talking about the entire forum here.

Can you feel that Avalonians? well, can you? Good, cuz I can't either....

if is obvious that you know nothing about space .... the last time I had space this clean was in thailand just after I stopped the vietnamese from attacking the border of thailand ... and I could put a rainstorm from total clear blue to total heavy rain down in less than a minute ... if you can prove to me you can do that ... then I might agree with you ,..

this is world wide .... cleared world wide ... and it has never been cleared world wide before ,... got it???

jim


I don't "got it" Jim. This isn't about me proving anything to you - I've claimed no such abilities.

You however, have.

If you can make it rain, do that.
If you can make accurate predictions, do that.
If you can shatter lights with your mind, or move things telekinetically, do that.

I don't think it's unreasonable for me to ask. In fact, after reading this post I think its the *only* reasonable I can write.

I claim no psychic abilities whatsoever, but I predict several convoluted, meandering, pseudo-spiritual reasons why this can't occur during this time....likely something to do with me being spiritually unready to receive such a miracle at this time - that's my favorite!

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A fair and candid post Chinaski. I think there is a huge spectrum of human consciousness, and it requires a larger vocabulary of words and definitions to capture the subtle differentiation in people's otherwise legitimate experiences. That people experience things I have no doubt. That is the beauty and essence of being a living soul with a human volitional consciousness.

I perceive consciousness as a continuum similar to energy frequency, I have always pondered where does intuition lie on that spectrum, or prescience, clairvoyance, and other extra sensory perceptions. We know we have them, but few have any real control of such experiences, they are fleeting, ephemeral, and often unfortunately, mislabeled. And without a constant journal of critical feedback, necessary to develop any subtle skill imo, that is what they will always remain for the most part.

I enjoyed reading this. Thanks mate.

Mike
6th July 2013, 18:50
How one demonstrates their "level of consciousness" based on the amount of energy they can hold, amplify and emanate...to then produce phenomenon in the physical world, which can then be seen within the limited narrow band of the physical light spectrum, by others ,who can then empirically verify the veracity, amplitude and legitimacy of this phenomenon, by determining if it meets the criteria of being claireaudient, clairevoyant or clairesentient... or if the emanate human being transmitter vessel is just pontificating within the lower frequencies, which can then be codified, labeled, and placed within the aberrant polarized categories of phenomenon and experience which is not considered to be empirically of any magnificent stature, and summarily placed within the codices of not being too worthy of immanence or consideration within the co-creative and ascending dialectic which we here at Avalon generally espouse to, or be of an epic and splendid nature to be worthy of consideration of where these phenomenon are to be encoded within the visible light spectrum, and what level of consciousness they adhere to, or whether they meet the criteria of phenomenon which is generally not visible to the naked eye in the narrow bandwidth of the light spectrum, and thus meets criteria above the diagnostics of a "normal" nature and have "paranormal" characteristics.

Or, you could just watch how attractive or repulsive you are. :)


In other words 'Reap, you don't possess these abilities, do you?;)

I do have a miracle to report: I read this twice and I think I actually *do* understand it, ha!

This is vintage Reaper. Thanks for the contribution my friend.

DevilPigeon
6th July 2013, 18:51
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I like to try and keep an open mind about abilities and such, but how does one distinguish between a claimed ability & fantasy/delusion without some form of tangible proof?

I think it's wrong to dismiss a claim totally out of hand (ie a closed mind), but at the other end of spectrum feel it wrong to accept all claims as being true - there has to be discernment, evaluation, validation involved.

jiminii
6th July 2013, 18:52
jiminii Yup there are folks who can do it on demand, more power to them. I wish I was one of those ppl.

But what I don't appreciate is the STEP & Fetch attitude of certain skeptics.
Either they make demands and/or accusations. (the part most don't appreciate)
Or they simply don't believe any. (that part i am fine with)

well there is a communication lag with most things ... this is the time you make the postulate to the time it happens ...

different people can hold different areas in some kind of check

like an indian medicine man who was up there in the clouds in some western state preventing all the rain from hitting that area ...

when you go talk to him you find out he made a mistake and flooded out the village and they persecuted him for it ... so he was going to stay up there in the clouds and never let it rain there ...

so you run out this incident .. and remove the pain ... and next week he is gone ... probably to the nearest pregnant woman he can find and now the rain starts up in that area

so put up enough intention and keep it there long enough ,.. will break down all counter intention and your postulate will happen ...even if it takes 4 days to get the rain

sometimes happened so quick from the time I walked from the corner to the entrance of the fort harrison and went in .. hale was coming down from clear weather in florida .. right after I told some girl that I will bring this light gray cloud over the top of the hotel and whip it and freeze it ... ... never expected ( this body I am using can't believe this stuff) .. but there it was
ICE everywhere ...

another time happen instantly ... the wind was blowing into the city and I looked up and thought .. "whip it out to the gulf" and instantly the wind shifted and made a waterspout ... first one I ever seen ...

jim

jiminii
6th July 2013, 18:59
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I like to try and keep an open mind about abilities and such, but how does one distinguish between a claimed ability & fantasy/delusion without some form of tangible proof?

I think it's wrong to dismiss a claim totally out of hand (ie a closed mind), but at the other end of spectrum feel it wrong to accept all claims as being true - there has to be discernment, evaluation, validation involved.

just go to the phoenix lectures .. that is in the sticky in general discussion called jiinii's threads ... download it .. and learn how to do it ... and if you put the thought out before it happens .. take a win ...

that is the only sure validation you can get ... learn how to do it yourself ... and then practice it until your intentions appear ... in the physical universe ...

your body might say .. "eh .. it was going to happen anyway " ... NO ... if you put the thought out before it happens .. take a win .. at least you are part creator of it

don't let the implants that got you stuck in this body convince you you are nothing but an animal ... you are not .. you are a spirit being with infinite potential ... learn how to use it

jim

Mike
6th July 2013, 19:00
I am a person who can be sensitive to very subtle energies, but I wouldn't ever call myself psychic, I am more intuitive in action, not psychic in thought.

I can very often feel a waxing moon as it approaches full, and feel an abrupt energy transition as it begins to wax. I can feel the energy of the earth a little as I travel to different areas. The feeling of the West Coast of Canada, for example, is vastly different than the energy here in Calgary.

However, all these feelings can be verified with an actual "something" and can sometimes be confirmed by others feelings as well. I wonder how many people are sensitive like this but are unaware of what it is that drives their "feelings"?

When it comes to posts, as Chinaski indicates, it is all about whether a thread or topic has real value or contribution or not. I agree with the comment that we don't have a particularly great track record on any type of prediction; Bill made a very cautious predictions post about a year or so back that has also not had any elements come to pass -- even with his broad insight.

Then there is also the "date" issue --- some predictions may come true at some point, but almost never on the date or time claimed. All these factors considered, and without diminishing anyone's "powers" ;), there will always be little value to me in prediction threads, no matter who is making the predictions.


A thoughtful reply. Thanks mate.

This is reasonable, and I can accept this approach wholeheartedly, but some of the claims here(Jim, I honestly hadn't intended to pick on you but you're making it really hard for me not to
)are so outrageous as to be downright laughable.

Entheta? Clown? Jim, pretend you're sane and reread your posts, please.

P.s. I was trying for *levity* here guys. Let's give it another shot, OK?

shadowstalker
6th July 2013, 19:00
jiminii Yup there are folks who can do it on demand, more power to them. I wish I was one of those ppl.

But what I don't appreciate is the STEP & Fetch attitude of certain skeptics.
Either they make demands and/or accusations. (the part most don't appreciate)
Or they simply don't believe any. (that part i am fine with)

well there is a communication lag with most things ... this is the time you make the postulate to the time it happens ...

different people can hold different areas in some kind of check

like an indian medicine man who was up there in the clouds in some western state preventing all the rain from hitting that area ...

when you go talk to him you find out he made a mistake and flooded out the village and they persecuted him for it ... so he was going to stay up there in the clouds and never let it rain there ...

so you run out this incident .. and remove the pain ... and next week he is gone ... probably to the nearest pregnant woman he can find and now the rain starts up in that area

so put up enough intention and keep it there long enough ,.. will break down all counter intention and your postulate will happen ...even if it takes 4 days to get the rain

sometimes happened so quick from the time I walked from the corner to the entrance of the fort harrison and went in .. hale was coming down from clear weather in florida .. right after I told some girl that I will bring this light gray cloud over the top of the hotel and whip it and freeze it ... ... never expected ( this body I am using can't believe this stuff) .. but there it was
ICE everywhere ...

another time happen instantly ... the wind was blowing into the city and I looked up and thought .. "whip it out to the gulf" and instantly the wind shifted and made a waterspout ... first one I ever seen ...

jim

I can see that happening...

Mike
6th July 2013, 19:22
Astrology, the nature of matter, time of birth, wiring of the individual mind, this creates the individual response tuned to the individual person.

The astrology of the moment is universal to all, but affects each differently.

drugs and alcohol INTERFERE with natural function and these aspects of proper expression are lost. The capacity to cognate and navigate subtle energies are lost in the muck of the reception systems being damaged by the use of the drugs and alcohol.

The problem is always the projection of the ego self into identification with self, which by extension, becomes the representation of the world of all. The doorway of existence and the filter on existence are not one and the same, but the ego/avatar as a filter/autopilot.. and how it operates in those who are unaware of this, that component would have a 'person' believe it is so.

I could go on for months, and I have, but if a person is not just listening, but working on themselves, then it will mean and help explain very little.

it is very simple.

If the answer cannot be found, then the question is not the question, it is an incorrect formation of an inquiry.



this is wonderfully worded and would sit proudly beneath an Ansel Adams print, but this is precisely the sort of flowery, circuitous and evasive response I might expect when asking an alleged psychic/paranormalist to demonstrate their abilities.

no disrespect Carmody - like everyone else here, I do respect your mind...but this means very little to me.

Shall I be more direct?

Warp your mind and viewpoint/filter, as the package you are carrying now is not cognating the greater space. It is not a fault, it is the same for everyone. You will find the answer you need when the need is great enough. Until then some part of you will remain stubbornly outside of change.

Carmody is going direct! About time, lol. (private astro joke between Carmody and me)

Only loss of ego and humility opens the gateway for the universe to reveal its secrets
and such humility only comes about via intense suffering, unfortunately.

Without that humility there is only childlike demands, which are either superficial,
or backed by anger at the fact that things aren't easier than they are.

Either way, it's like wanting the fried chicken to fly into one's mouth.

I'll take the Pepsi suffering challenge with anyone here, any day of the week. I've spent the better part of the last 8 years in bed due to heart problems, so I know a bit about suffering...and humility.

I'm glad you wrote this though Ulli, because it's *the* textbook response when these matters arise. Whether intended or not, it comes across as pompous: the potbellied guru sitting smugly on his perch, declaring those who are asking rational questions ego centered and child-like because they somehow don't "get" the miracle.

What I'm saying is this, and requires very little woo-woo or even deep thought to comprehend: predictions on this forum have not come true; and many of those who have claimed abilities cannot demonstrate them.

Someone please prove me wrong and I'll shut up. I *want* to be wrong!!!

Fred Steeves
6th July 2013, 19:26
you ever notice how weird and uptight everyone gets when someone is asked to demonstrate their abilities?


I used to hang out in bars a lot in my younger years, and talk about an environment where many boasts are made.(LOL) It doesn't take long though to figure out who is who after a while. For instance if someone is bragging about all the pool tournaments they've one, it's easy enough to say "well there's a pool table, let's rack em up and see what ya got". Same as if someone is claiming to be a real bad ass, if they push it too far someone's going to invite them to step outside and find out...

You know the ones who impressed me, or at least the ones I'd want to hang out with? The ones who were just regular old people out for a few beers and to have a good time, not out trying to impress people. If they're really good at pool, you'll find out by shooting a friendly game. If they really are a bad ass, well, you'll just kind of know anyway.

I like the old saying: "Actions speak louder than words". If someone is truly good at something, it will be displayed through their actions by simply getting to know them. When I see someone doing what they do, and doing it well, I'm duly impressed. When I see someone bragging about what they can do, I tend to roll my eyes a bit. :rolleyes:

People do what people do, and alternative media/forums are no different.

Cheers, http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/cheers.gif

Fred

RunningDeer
6th July 2013, 19:27
OK, Chinaski the ruler hath returned...to find out who dareth challenge him.

I had a Verizon guy here this morning - took him 5 hrs to install all my stuff. Is that normal? Christ, the last time I had cable it was 30 bucks a month. Now its 80!?! Well at least I have the net now, so I'll attempt to respond to some of these posts...but I'm operating from a smart phone now, which is extremely slow-going and awkward for me...so please be patient avalonians...

Hi Chinaski-Mike,


took him 5 hrs to install

Welcome to the world of "I'm glad I have nothing to hide, I think."

It takes extra time because they must be careful to plant eye-peepers where you’ll never detect them. A couple of questions and a reminder: Did the installer use your bathroom? Is your bathroom in direct line to a TV? If so, better not forget to put the toilet seat down. [Anything can and will be used ... ]

$80 includes service for phone, TV, cable (and their spyware, that’s free). See it as a contribution towards the salaries of the NSA, CIA, LMOP peepers. Keep your receipts, donation are tax deductible. That is...I think. Hard to keep up with all the close door meetings on 'we really, really are looking out for your best interest'.

Goggle: “Could your dishwasher be spying on you?”

:wave:

Mike
6th July 2013, 19:34
@Fred: I feel exactly the same way, Fred. Great post. Thanks!

@Paula: perhaps the most valuable contribution yet, ha! Funny thing: I didn't even consider the NSA thing till about 10 mins ago;)

Mike
6th July 2013, 19:41
To clarify: I don't doubt that there are some here with interesting abilities. I know Paula does, for example, from firsthand experience. I believe strongly that Padme does too, though I'm certain I've just embarrassed the heck out of her...

I'm simply frustrated with all the predictions and claims.I don't want to discredit anybody - I just want to see some follow-thru is all.

I think its a reasonable request.

jiminii
6th July 2013, 19:43
Astrology, the nature of matter, time of birth, wiring of the individual mind, this creates the individual response tuned to the individual person.

The astrology of the moment is universal to all, but affects each differently.

drugs and alcohol INTERFERE with natural function and these aspects of proper expression are lost. The capacity to cognate and navigate subtle energies are lost in the muck of the reception systems being damaged by the use of the drugs and alcohol.

The problem is always the projection of the ego self into identification with self, which by extension, becomes the representation of the world of all. The doorway of existence and the filter on existence are not one and the same, but the ego/avatar as a filter/autopilot.. and how it operates in those who are unaware of this, that component would have a 'person' believe it is so.

I could go on for months, and I have, but if a person is not just listening, but working on themselves, then it will mean and help explain very little.

it is very simple.

If the answer cannot be found, then the question is not the question, it is an incorrect formation of an inquiry.



this is wonderfully worded and would sit proudly beneath an Ansel Adams print, but this is precisely the sort of flowery, circuitous and evasive response I might expect when asking an alleged psychic/paranormalist to demonstrate their abilities.

no disrespect Carmody - like everyone else here, I do respect your mind...but this means very little to me.

Shall I be more direct?

Warp your mind and viewpoint/filter, as the package you are carrying now is not cognating the greater space. It is not a fault, it is the same for everyone. You will find the answer you need when the need is great enough. Until then some part of you will remain stubbornly outside of change.

Carmody is going direct! About time, lol. (private astro joke between Carmody and me)

Only loss of ego and humility opens the gateway for the universe to reveal its secrets
and such humility only comes about via intense suffering, unfortunately.

Without that humility there is only childlike demands, which are either superficial,
or backed by anger at the fact that things aren't easier than they are.

Either way, it's like wanting the fried chicken to fly into one's mouth.

I'll take the Pepsi suffering challenge with anyone here, any day of the week. I've spent the better part of the last 8 years in bed due to heart problems, so I know a bit about suffering...and humility.

I'm glad you wrote this though Ulli, because it's *the* textbook response when these matters arise. Whether intended or not, it comes across as pompous: the potbellied guru sitting smugly on his perch, declaring those who are asking rational questions ego centered and child-like because they somehow don't "get" the miracle.

What I'm saying is this, and requires very little woo-woo or even deep thought to comprehend: predictions on this forum have not come true; and many of those who have claimed abilities cannot demonstrate them.

Someone please prove me wrong and I'll shut up. I *want* to be wrong!!!

you don't want to be wrong ... you use it deliberately to get sympathy or you would not use it ... "i am in bed with heart problems ... ??? " if you are in bed and want to get out of bed ... and live " one way is to get on all raw food ...nothing cooked ... and no manufactured oil of any kind .. no cooked oil .. use only oil that is alive and cold pressed since all this bad oil will create diabetes ... take raw apple cider vinegar with the mother and honey and cinnamon to get all the calcium back in your joints and kills practically every disease that exist ...

and STOP TELLING PEOPLE YOU HAVE HEART PROBLEMS ... you are only getting them to agree and it just adds to your agreed upon illness ... DON"T SAY IT .... that is how people get it ... my sister had MS and I talked her out of it with THOUGHT alone in 20 minutes and she got up and WALKED ... read the phoenix lectures and learn how to use thought to cure yourself .. don't use it to get sympathy from others ...

low tone sympathy . guy is in the quicksand pit up to his neck ... and so some one in sympathy comes alone ... and says ... "i don't know how to get you out of the quicksand pit .. so I will just jump in and we'll go down together .. "

in reverse ... means .. don't tell people your condition ... don't admit your condition... don't add agreement to your condition ... and i'll see you out of bed before christmas ..

use what I use ... "i never get sick .. never" ... and I haven't been sick in 40 years ... NEVER ... don't put your problem YOU CREATED on other peoples plate WHO HAVE NO ABILITY to solve it

this is demand for sympathy ... and I will not give you any because it will not cure you .. it will make you worse

jim

gripreaper
6th July 2013, 19:49
To clarify: I don't doubt that there are some here with interesting abilities. I know Paula does, for example, from firsthand experience. I believe strongly that Padme does too, though I'm certain I've just embarrassed the heck out of her...

I'm simply frustrated with all the predictions and claims.I don't want to discredit anybody - I just want to see some follow-thru is all.

I think its a reasonable request.

Well, I just went outside, stretched my arms up into the air, intentioned that it would rain.... and nothing happened.

Guess there is still a time lapse between my intentions and the manifestation of specific phenomenon, or my intention did not have enough energy behind it, or I'm not sufficiently evolved into higher consciousness, or the universe is just busy taking care of more important stuff.

Dang it!

Guess I'll just go grab a pool stick and a beer. Hey Fred, you wanna shoot a game of pool?

Ilie Pandia
6th July 2013, 19:58
Chinasky, thank you for your original post. I get it!! And I struggle with this as well.

Here is a question for you to ponder: How do you prove the existence of color to a color blind person? In other words, how can someone offer me proof of something that is outside of my perception range? We have a problem here...

The more I look into perception the more the following seems to be "true":

It is possible that two people, standing next to each other, looking at a third one, to perceive completely different things. One may see "energies flashing about", "hear thunders or divine music", while the other one may be completely bored, not being able to see any of this. What is real? Who is actually making things up?! Why is one of the realities more real than the other (we have 3 realities as there are 3 persons with 3 perspectives).

So our senses, our perceptions are a problem here. We do not perceive "reality" but a rather subjective, filtered, distorted personal view of it. We see the map, not the terrain and each map is colored differently.

I suspect Carmody is trying to say the same thing, but my own filters prevent me from understanding most of his posts, as they look like Chinese to me. But I am open to the possibility that those same posts make a lot of sense and are crystal clear for someone with a different filter set and belief systems. I also have to accept that who will read this, will not get exactly what I wanted to write, but a "translation" of this text and so on...

And another thing to consider. Reading Chris Carter's trilogy about psychic abilities (http://www.amazon.com/Science-Psychic-Phenomena-House-Skeptics/dp/159477451X) it seems that psychic abilities tend to be a lot more powerful when they are "truly needed". In other words you may find yourself doing paranormal stuff to save your life or otherwise get out of a sticky situation, but then be completely unable to demonstrate the same affect in a "controlled environment". It seems that is very hard to "show off" these abilities, and that some sort of "real need" is required for you to manifest such abilities.

So you see, pressing one for a "quick demo", may not yield the results you want. Of course this poses another interesting questions: if a theory or claim is not testable in an objective way then how can you know if is not simply made up?! The reply to that may be that objective reality may not exist as we understand it, and a mans delusions or crazy stories may be a "normal day at the office" for someone with a different perception ability. In that sense, psychic claims are both real and fake at the same time... So... just decide what is real for you :). Not easy to do, at least not in my reality... as I have said... I still struggle with this, and people like Carmody seem to suggest that our "logical mind" may not be well equipped to grasp this. Logic is a great tool, but it does not apply to everything and reality does not have to be logical. Logic will never accept that something can be true and false at the same time, though quantum mechanics (as I understand it) seems to show that may be the case.

Another quick example that is more on the funny side: I can use a knife to chop up food rather fast and easy, but if someone is looking at me or I try to show off... it all breaks down! :) So I require a lot more "chopping training" before I am able to "demonstrate" my skill to someone else, even though, on my own, I do it almost unconsciously. Simple stuff, but worth thinking about...

ulli
6th July 2013, 20:00
Pompous, eh? If only you knew.
Your perception is your projection.
You may see whatever you wish.

I have my reasons for not sharing my own weather stories here....
Maybe I'd call it cowardice ...
but those experiences are the only reason that I'm giving credence to Jiminii, not because I'm gullible.

I guess what is going on here is a guy thing...personally I don't understand why you find his claims so ridiculous.

When I had my first prophetic dreams and then later saw them coming true
I shot my mouth off, surprised at what had happened. Nobody believed me then.
so I started to look for books about the mystery of time.
Found out what happened to me was not that unusual.
Gave up a jet set life and big bucks for my search.

And those dreams never made any sense until the event occurred,
and by then talking about it is never proof, except with intimate people who heard one say when waking up
"Wanna hear about the weird dream I had?" and later they can see the connection for themselves.

It started me on my own search. Decades later I can meet someone like Jiminii online and SENSE
that what he is saying is true...not just my mind doing the judging here.
Jiminii's chart reveals a lot that he himself doesn't even know, but confirms his abilities and also his honesty.

What you might want to consider about Avalon is that there is a vast variety of characters...

And some are predicting disasters that they saw in a dream, or read about,
and then others read it, and make no public comment nor judgment,
Nor worry about the prediction being possible deliberate fear mongering, or a genuine vision...
They simply get themselves into a higher state and then say out loud
"This shall NOT happen." Or better still...they write it down.
And then it doesn't happen.
See?

Mike
6th July 2013, 20:00
Jim, I don't even know what to say man. I wish I understood you a little better, cuz parts of that last post almost sounded reasonable.

Could you talk me out of metabolic heart failure? Cuz I will pm you my number right this second. I'm not kidding.

PS. Thanks for the laugh Reap!

Ilie Pandia
6th July 2013, 20:04
Oh, and one more thing about predictions. The world did in fact end in 2012 for a lot of people. Not for you and me, who are reading this, but for some of those around Fukushima (just to give an example) 2012 was the end of the world... their world. And that is the point, I guess. There is no "one world", but as many as there are "view points of it".

This is why I also don't think "ascension" will eve be a "mass event", but more a personal thing. This is why disclosure of any kind will not happen until more people join the "disclosure bubble". And even then after the so called disclosure has happened, there will still be bubbles where it did not happen. It's a bit of paradox... and tough nut for the mind to crack.

By the way, absolutely everything that I just wrote, may be absolutely wrong :becky:

sdv
6th July 2013, 20:08
this thread was inspired by a recent Jim thread ( thanks Jim;)) )where he espoused this belief that something vitally and cosmically important may have just occurred, and that something of equal importance may be occuring soon) and is intended as a tongue in cheek response. no disrespect intended, truly - while my position is rather serious, the intent here is to provide a little levity.

there must be dozens upon dozens of these types of threads on Avalon. they generally go something like this:
"i'm feeling really strange lately, feeling as if something big might happen. can you guys feel that? are you tuned into the static? it's like the calm before the storm, isn't it? i'm not sure what it is exactly, but it feels like it's on it's way soon..." etc etc:)

said poster usually will offer physical, mental and perhaps metaphysical symptoms they are experiencing, in an attempt to fortify the huge leap in logic they are making (you're getting the ear buzzing too? well the world must be ending then!) the thread will usually go 4-5 pages at least, with members inevitably lining up to announce that they too are in tune with the apocalyptic vibes.

and then of course nothing happens.

our psychic track record is abominable, lets face it:) I get no joy out of saying that, but it's true.

so here's my plea: Avalonians, please stop pretending you're psychic, unless of course you are willing to demonstrate said abilities in a youtube video or something. speaking of which, you ever notice how weird and uptight everyone gets when someone is asked to demonstrate their abilities? it's as if we've all agreed to dedicate ourselves to this fictional paranormal fantasy, and damn you objective inquisitor for ruining our dream with your logical questions!;) that's the sort of feeling I get about it all. and this isn't a passive-aggressive shot at Jim either - i'm talking about the entire forum here.

Can you feel that Avalonians? well, can you? Good, cuz I can't either....

A few years' ago, I discovered psychic abilities in myself after experimenting with some practices. I switched it off, shut down, because I discovered that it is awful to have recurring clear visions of something very specific that was going to happen, but could not do anything about it because I did not know who, when or where. What I saw (in recurring visions) happened (and then the visions stopped), but I had no power to stop the event from happening. It was awful for me to have this clear vision of something bad that was going to happen, but not know who, where or when and thus not be able to do anything to stop something horrible from happening, so I rejected my psychic abilities and stopped the practices. (It was the perfect time for the guru to appear for me, but that guru never did!)

Here is one example: I had recurring visions, like a movie clip being replayed over and over again, of families enjoying a picnic and a tree unexpectedly, suddenly falling and killing two children. As this scene plays out, I call out and save the two children from that falling tree, as I pace and that movie clip keeps playing over and over again. Then, one morning, when I get into the car (I was in a lift club), I am greeted with 'Did you hear the news? Isn't it awful what happened?' What happened? A tree suddenly fell in Tokai forest and killed two children. No, no, no!!

This is the reality of psychic visions that I have experienced, and I do not want it!

Also, in my 'psychic' adventures, I saw something in myself and felt something in my surroundings that I found very scary and I found no one who could help me understand and deal with these experiences, so I simply shut down and switched off.

One thing I did discover, that might be useful to people on this forum, is how resonant humming affects my energy field. I have literally seen how the energy field around me brightens and grows and vibrates big time when I relax and do resonant humming (straighten your spine, relax, take a deep breath, choose a pitch or tone - experiment with different pitches and tones, and then make the sound, such as ohm, for as long as you can as you feel it resonate through your body). Try to focus on the resonant humming, feel love and peace, and forget the conscious thinking that goes on in your mind. Maybe there is someone on this forum who will find this practice beneficial and useful.

PS Do you really want to have the psychic ability to see into the future? Do you have the training and support to be able to do something useful and beneficial with this ability? Are you willing to accept the ability to see horrible things happening around you in the future that you cannot prevent? Are you able to live with feeling everything that is happening in your surroundings? Can you get in your car and feel every accident happening on roads around you as you drive? Do you really want to be psychic, and why?

jiminii
6th July 2013, 20:08
To clarify: I don't doubt that there are some here with interesting abilities. I know Paula does, for example, from firsthand experience. I believe strongly that Padme does too, though I'm certain I've just embarrassed the heck out of her...

I'm simply frustrated with all the predictions and claims.I don't want to discredit anybody - I just want to see some follow-thru is all.

I think its a reasonable request.

Well, I just went outside, stretched my arms up into the air, intentioned that it would rain.... and nothing happened.

Guess there is still a time lap between my intentions and the manifestation of specific phenomenon, or my intention did not have enough energy behind it, or I'm not sufficiently evolved into higher consciousness, or the universe is just busy taking care of more important stuff.

Dang it!

Guess I'll just go grab a pool stick and a beer. Hey Fred, you wanna shoot a game of pool?

it would rain ...???? won't happen ... it would rain ... puts it in the future ... so it always would rain .. but never happens

"It IS RAINING" ,... and with no communication lag ... "IT IS RAINING NOW" ... and then wait the communication lag .. might take 3 or 4 days ...
but then you would just invalidate yourself .. and say "it was going to happen anyway"

so your intention is obvious .. You don't want to work for it .. you don't want to concentrate EVERY SECOND OF EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY HOUR OF THE DAY FOR 3 OR 4 DAYS .. UNTIL IT HAPPENS ... ..you want it free .... probably work easier if you are drunk . with a light head ... those thought work better than serious ones ... you have to read the phoenix lectures and see why your thoughts won't happen ... if you are really interested in learning how to do it

jim

DeDukshyn
6th July 2013, 20:11
In light of Ilie's fine post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60863-Can-You-Feel-That-...I-Can-t&p=698296&viewfull=1#post698296), I refer back to Fred's fine post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60863-Can-You-Feel-That-...I-Can-t&p=698279&viewfull=1#post698279). I think it really comes down to this for me. The most impressive people are the ones who don't care to impress anyone - ability or not. It all comes down to "what value can this possibly have?", then, at that point it is up to the observer whether to put attention there or not.

I have had a few people here indicate psychic abilities to me, but never in a "Watch this!" way, it's always in a way that you just come to know what happened or connect the dots yourself. It seems to me (intentional or not, it seems to happen more often than people think), as Ilie, indicated, that those who are able to use their abilities can do so because of their lack of "need" for people to think of them as special. The ego and how an individual relates to theirs seems very much to be a key in actual expression of any abilities.

That said, I like the less talk more action approach.

2 cents.

Mike
6th July 2013, 20:11
Hi Ilie, thanks for the thoughtful post.

I suspect you are right in many respects, and Carmody too . Surely there are many vibrations that are only detectable by a certain talented few; I don't doubt it man! But if someone can effect 3d reality in an incontrovertible way ,like say, making it rain (sorry Jim;)) I suspect everyone within a reasonable proximity would see it, regardless of spiritual evolution...and I guess that's my point here.

jiminii
6th July 2013, 20:18
Jim, I don't even know what to say man. I wish I understood you a little better, cuz parts of that last post almost sounded reasonable.

Could you talk me out of metabolic heart failure? Cuz I will pm you my number right this second. I'm not kidding.

PS. Thanks for the laugh Reap!

what is metabolic heart failure?

jim

Mike
6th July 2013, 20:18
Hi Ulli,

Look, I think you're awesome....but posts written like that rub me the wrong way. What can I say? Gotta be honest here...

I have great respect for anyone who gives up the jet-set life to pursue their journey. As i said, I'm not out to discredit anyone here who claims this or that: I'd simply like to see a demonstration.

Do you think that's unreasonable? Seriously.

Ilie Pandia
6th July 2013, 20:20
Hi Ilie, thanks for the thoughtful post.

I suspect you are right in many respects, and Carmody too . Surely there are many vibrations that are only detectable by a certain talented few; I don't doubt it man! But if someone can effect 3d reality in an incontrovertible way ,like say, making it rain (sorry Jim;)) I suspect everyone within a reasonable proximity would see it, regardless of spiritual evolution...and I guess that's my point here.

And my point is, that at the same spot, same time, it may rain for me, but it may not rain for you.

So in my bubble I will be with you marveling at the rain, but in your bubble (the one that you are looking at) we would be both saying: Damn! Another fake psychic...

This is why I said, your expectation and intention will in fact chose one of the two bubble. Both are "real" and both are "correct". Usually the "need for proof" will choose the "this is fake bubble", because of the hidden intention in the need for proof to see this fail. In some other "bubble" out there, you have already gotten your proof. The more you "wrap your mind" around this, the more you will be able to "perceive" that bubble.

I have to say it again, this is my mind rambling as I try to grasp these concepts. I did not experience yet a psychic event in 3D, but I have changed gears from "Show me proof!" to "OK, let's assume this is real, now let's find some paranormal experiences". I have switched from being "closed until proven otherwise", "to being open and looking for the experience". It's a subtle, but I think important choice.

I wish I could prove all this to you! So I could prove it to myself as well! (But then you won't see the proof if you are not "open to it".... and here we go again... )

Mike
6th July 2013, 20:21
Jim, I don't even know what to say man. I wish I understood you a little better, cuz parts of that last post almost sounded reasonable.

Could you talk me out of metabolic heart failure? Cuz I will pm you my number right this second. I'm not kidding.

PS. Thanks for the laugh Reap!

what is metabolic heart failure?

jim


Oh man, that's a whole nother thread mate.

I'll pm you if you're genuinely interested.

ulli
6th July 2013, 20:29
Hi Ulli,

Look, I think you're awesome....but posts written like that rub me the wrong way. What can I say? Gotta be honest here...

I have great respect for anyone who gives up the jet-set life to pursue their journey. Asni said, I'm not out to discredit anyone here who claims this or that: I'd simply like to see a demonstration.

Do you think that's unreasonable? Seriously.

Not unreasonable, no.
Curious, maybe.
Honestly, I really don't know.
It's your schtick...you are you, and I am I.

I can't prove my integrity to anyone, even if I tried.
But I have the impression that somehow you are full of expectation.
Nothing new can be added to a full cup...
Not until it has been emptied.

Sorry if this reply rubbed you the wrong way again,
but it's the best I could come up with.

jiminii
6th July 2013, 20:32
Re: Your thoughts on what's going down in Egypt?
this can go the way we want it ... if we all decide it ... we have the combined power on this forum alone to do it ... the thing is ... they are getting attacked from all fronts ... and it might be NOW ... they are a bit afraid to stick their noses out any farther ... so this is where the people must carry it to the next step ...
how ....????

get me some really positive people like whitefeather and ulli and some of the mods .. and some of the natural clears I found on this website
all deciding to hold the space of the planet

just decide your space is covering the planet ... and let the spirit inside you DO WHAT IT KNOWS IT CAN DO ....

and with THAT ... we can let our combined POWER SPIRITUALLY WITHOUT WORDS ... JUST OUR KNOWINGNESS ... WE CAN MANAGE ALL THESE ENTITIES LIKE WE ONCE DID IN THE STARS BEFORE WE CAME HERE ...

we can do this ...

jim

do you want proof .... do this ... and this is the whole reason for the post

jim

Mike
6th July 2013, 20:32
Hi ShadowStalker,

Haven't forgot about you....

No it's not about ridicule. Not at all. Call it curiosity.

Maybe "pretending" was a bad choice of words. I don't necessarily think anyone is lying (for the most part) about their abilities...I s'pose I think that perhaps they have a misguided view of their talent, as it were. Not in every case, mind you.

GCS1103
6th July 2013, 20:34
you ever notice how weird and uptight everyone gets when someone is asked to demonstrate their abilities?


I used to hang out in bars a lot in my younger years, and talk about an environment where many boasts are made.(LOL) It doesn't take long though to figure out who is who after a while. For instance if someone is bragging about all the pool tournaments they've one, it's easy enough to say "well there's a pool table, let's rack em up and see what ya got". Same as if someone is claiming to be a real bad ass, if they push it too far someone's going to invite them to step outside and find out...

You know the ones who impressed me, or at least the ones I'd want to hang out with? The ones who were just regular old people out for a few beers and to have a good time, not out trying to impress people. If they're really good at pool, you'll find out by shooting a friendly game. If they really are a bad ass, well, you'll just kind of know anyway.

I like the old saying: "Actions speak louder than words". If someone is truly good at something, it will be displayed through their actions by simply getting to know them. When I see someone doing what they do, and doing it well, I'm duly impressed. When I see someone bragging about what they can do, I tend to roll my eyes a bit. :rolleyes:

People do what people do, and alternative media/forums are no different.

Cheers, http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/cheers.gif

Fred

As usual Fred, you get right to the point. And a good point it is.

Mike
6th July 2013, 20:36
Hi Ulli,

Look, I think you're awesome....but posts written like that rub me the wrong way. What can I say? Gotta be honest here...

I have great respect for anyone who gives up the jet-set life to pursue their journey. Asni said, I'm not out to discredit anyone here who claims this or that: I'd simply like to see a demonstration.

Do you think that's unreasonable? Seriously.

Not unreasonable, no.
Curious, maybe.
Honestly, I really don't know.
It's your schtick...you are you, and I am I.

I can't prove my integrity to anyone, even if I tried.
But I have the impression that somehow you are full of expectation.
Nothing new can be added to a full cup...
Not until it has been emptied.

Sorry if this reply rubbed you the wrong way again,
but it's the best I could come up with.

Didn't rub me the wrong way at all...;)

Was never calling your integrity into question..

...but yes, I do have expectation.

jiminii
6th July 2013, 20:37
Re: Your thoughts on what's going down in Egypt?
actually I have to thank everyone for their post ... even the negative posts ... it let me see what the next step is ... it is ok to postulate kicking the enemy out of power ,.. but at the same time he has hired all the biggest management people to create this mess ....

so you can knock out their space ... make them lose power in egypt and everywhere else ... but you must carry the entire responsibility too ... you must also decide you are with your own knowingness ... (this exceeds the time of this universe ... but there were universes before this one so that is A LOT OF KNOWINGINESS)

you can't see this KNOWINGNESS ,.. but you can SEE what it does ... when you drive a car down a windy mountain at high speeds and keep control of all of it ..

YOU KNOW .. and the BODY FOLLOWS IT ... it you had to CALCULATE IT ... with your mind you would NOT be able to control the car FAST enough ...

so with this KNOWINGNESS .. and ASSUMED SPACE .. the more space you can occupy the more power you can generate in that space ... so we have to cover ALL the VARIABLES ... YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON OFF THIS PLANET ... you just KNOW ... maybe this body doesn't know but the spirit KNOWS ... so let THAT PART THAT KNOWS .. DO WHAT IT KNOWS HOW TO DO ... you will get thoughts reflecting back from anything you are doing in that space ...

this is not EFFORT ... like DOING LONG PERIODS OF MEDITATION ...(not fast enough) ... this is REAL TIME ... just decide you KNOW how to do it .. OCCUPY the space of the Galaxy and PUT IN THE INTENTIONS of THE RESULT YOU WANT TO HAPPEN ON THIS PLANET ... AS THOUGH IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED ....

that IS the shortest time you can think or look at ... and LET THE BEING YOU ARE ... DO WHAT IT KNOWS IT CAN DO ....

do you get the idea?

jim


part 2 .... let's try this and see if we can do it as a collective ok????

jim

Ilie Pandia
6th July 2013, 20:44
As i said, I'm not out to discredit anyone here who claims this or that: I'd simply like to see a demonstration.

Do you think that's unreasonable? Seriously.

This was not asked of me, but let me have a go at it:

Chinaksi, have a really deep honest look at these questions:

- 1. why do I need a demonstration? (the answer: so that I know this is true, is too superficial, go deeper)
- 2. if something was demonstrated to you, in an utterly and undeniable way how would that affect you? Would that shatter you sense of the world or sense of self?

Question 2, is a deepener for 1. And if the answer is "yes", then I am afraid your own mental structure will actively prevent you from "seeing" any kind of proof even it was right in front of your eyes. Hypnosis provides strong evidence that we genuinely perceive only what we want to!

So if someone were to some how forcefully shatter your perception of the world, it may fell like the world collapsing around you and you may fight it!

I submit this theory to you, that I cannot prove, but you can look at: there is something with in your definitions of how the world works that actively prevents the experience of paranormal. For as long as that block exists you will not be able to experience anything of what you consider "outside of normal", even if is demonstrated in your face. The way I go about this myself, is to chip away my filters and conditioning one little piece at a time, so I don't feel my reality collapsing around me. You may be able to do it much faster, only you know this.

PS: Just to answer my own questions: if someone were to levitate in front of my eyes and I would see that: I'd freak out! Why? Because it would destroy my understanding of physics and my little bubble of safety, of having things figured out.

So because of this, I am rather confident that the only levitation I will ever see will be in a video, so that my mind can deny it if it needs to! So that I can say that is may not be real so my inner self does not have to change at all. But once I will be OK with levitating, I fully expect I'll do it myself and be "as normal as sitting on the toilet".

ulli
6th July 2013, 20:47
Chinaski...

childlike....not childish.

It's not a judgment.

It's your childlike curiosity playing with Jiminii's childlike wow-trip of what he is is discovering.

I honestly see both as ok, and there is a healthy stream going on here...

A childlike quality is actually one of the ingredients necessary to have this stuff work.

And then again, at other times it's desperation...(some emo fuel is needed without which the intent can't manifest into reality.)

Works either way...but I'm never sure beforehand which one of the two moods to get into.

Maybe as I said somewhere else...there is still a lot to learn, as well as unlearn.

jiminii
6th July 2013, 20:53
Hi Ulli,

Look, I think you're awesome....but posts written like that rub me the wrong way. What can I say? Gotta be honest here...

I have great respect for anyone who gives up the jet-set life to pursue their journey. Asni said, I'm not out to discredit anyone here who claims this or that: I'd simply like to see a demonstration.

Do you think that's unreasonable? Seriously.

Not unreasonable, no.
Curious, maybe.
Honestly, I really don't know.
It's your schtick...you are you, and I am I.

I can't prove my integrity to anyone, even if I tried.
But I have the impression that somehow you are full of expectation.
Nothing new can be added to a full cup...
Not until it has been emptied.

Sorry if this reply rubbed you the wrong way again,
but it's the best I could come up with.

Didn't rub me the wrong way at all...;)

Was never calling your integrity into question..

...but yes, I do have expectation.

ok let's handle your heart problem ... you created it so you can solve it ...

here is what to do .... there is a thought back there that caused this problem to happen

YOU KNOW what THAT .. THOUGHT ,.. is ...
YOU KNOW ,...

JUST LOOK AT THAT ... and THAT is the thought you made that caused your heart problem ... just look at THAT

and now... THAT what you are looking at ... is WHAT caused the heart problem

THAT IS A LIE

IT IS A LIE ... IT IS NOT TRUE ...
this will vanish THAT THOUGHT

now .. Decide this .. THERE IS NOThING WRONG WITH ME ...
I am "PERFECTLY HEALTHY"

do this until the heart problem goes away
I don't have an auditor for you ... would cost a lot anyway

I did this on my sister and this INCURABLE disease is GONE

jim

Mike
6th July 2013, 20:55
Chinaski...

childlike....not childish.

It's not a judgment.

It's your childlike curiosity playing with Jiminii's childlike wow-trip of what he is is discovering.

I honestly see both as ok, and there is a healthy stream going on here...

A childlike quality is actually one of the ingredients necessary to have this stuff work.

And then again, at other times it's desperation...(some emo fuel is needed without which the intent can't manifest into reality.)

Works either way...but I'm never sure beforehand which one of the two moods to get into.

Maybe as I said somewhere else...there is still a lot to learn, as well as unlearn.

Yeah I think that's pretty accurate.

I was serious when I said I'd give Jim my number!;)

Ilie Pandia
6th July 2013, 21:00
Another fear that comes up for me, if I were to accept Jim's claims as true is that all the "crap" in my life is my creation so I have to own it! And if I take it a step further, all the "crap" in the world is also my "co-creation" and I'd have to own that as well.

If I am to be completely honest I am not fully open to accept that responsibility, so I will play the "poor me" game for a while longer and deny any of my "instant creator abilities" until I am able to face what I have created so far.

RunningDeer
6th July 2013, 21:03
Hi Chinaski-Mike,

I have felt sensations, knowings, synchronities, etc. They are on-going because I know I can. Most important, I have no need to prove to anyone, but share because it is my wish for everyone to see what they do, but often miss.

Here are three reposts. Two of which were provable by others:

#1
Summer, 2004

Jim, my brother was building his home. I helped from time to time. This one day he was adding plywood to the roof. He was in a foul mood. It was hot, and he was tired. Rather than be around the ranting, I asked for another job. He had me pick up the excess straps of 2x4’s and plywood around the property.

I had been practicing how to move “out of time”, where I'd watch the body do it’s work in a rhythmic flow. No emotional attachment to the job or the result. I reported back to Jim. He couldn’t believe the job was done, but he could see the huge pile of wood. Jim had only laid two sheets of plywood. And as I write this I want to say maybe three sheets because it seems impossible for those two events to match up in a 3D world.

He asked how I could've gotten so much done. My response was that I got out of my own way. The body worked while a part of me watched on. Jim asked no more questions, and I knew to not to offer. My family knows I have “strange” beliefs and our worlds are far apart. (no pun intended)

#2
June 9, 2012
Stopping Time

This never happened before, and it’s a lesson for me to dial up the inner awareness.

Wolfie, my dog, and I were out for a walk at the local shopping mall. There’s patch of woods on the outer skirts where he does his business. This afternoon, he couldn’t wait and picked a spot where everyone is out and about doing their Saturday to-dos.

I’m looking down to see if he’s finished and feeling embarrassed. I’m aware of the inner dialogue of, “I hope no one comes by.” With my head still down, and eyes raised, I saw four cars suspended in time; two on the other side of the median and two with several car lengthens between coming in our direction. No sound. Then, in the next nano second, they drove on.

It took about 30 seconds for me to recollect what just happened. After the initial “can’t be, that’s impossible”, I let it alone and walked for a few moments. Then asked, “What happened just before that point in time?” I ran the tape backwards and came up with the emotion of embarrassment, coupled with wanting a different outcome.


Emotion + Desire = a powerful affirmation of I choose my reality.

#3
Mid-1980’s
I was on my way to meditation class that was reschedule on a day that I usually went to the healing service. I was in conflict as to which to attend and picked the meditation class.

Still torn and unable to make a decision for some unknown reason I found myself pulling over to the side a the dark road, and just staring up at the stars trying to decide which place to go. (The class and the healing service were only one exit away from one another.)

Finally, I felt heavy and of “no mind,” but was aware that it was 6:50 p.m. and I had to get moving or I’d be late for the 7:00 p.m. meditation class. I still felt out of sorts. During meditation I had the experience of two place at once. One eye watch a black and white movie of a 1860’s lifetime where I was a deaf mute blonde boy, living with my mother, the same one in this lifetime, on a farm. While the other eye watched these tall totem people. I wasn’t afraid of them just surprised how tall they were. The main leader spoke to me through mind.

It wasn’t until the following week that I found out the rest of the story. At the healing service, a man asked if I’ve been experiencing any troubles lately. I said, “No,” because I really didn’t know him. He went on to explain that he has the ability to see people that bi-locate. And I was in the room during last weeks service. He explained that it was about 6:50 p.m.


This video came to mind when I read Ilie Pandia’s post.


Time to change your governments

Quick link @ 3:24 (http://youtu.be/yY4J_RvP8cY?t=3m24s) - “You have created a belief system where in you wanted to give your power to someone else to run your lives. So that’s what you’ve got. Why? Because you are afraid of your own power. Because you have disconnected yourself from your own power. To the point to where you don’t believe you don’t have any.”

Quick link @ 1:16 (http://youtu.be/yY4J_RvP8cY?t=1m16s) - “You are your government. Change it. It's your planet. Your government. Change it. Change yourself. And shift to a reality through your actions that represent the change that you’ve make within yourself. Shift to a reality that contains the idea reality that is more representative of what you prefer. Instead of thinking there’s only one reality. We’re stuck with it and that’s all we’ve got.

Quick link @ 1:50 (http://youtu.be/yY4J_RvP8cY?t=1m50s) - “...Stop worrying about what everyone else is thinking. And just change in the way you prefer to. And let the reality reflect to you what is representative of that change. Stop focusing on what everyone else needs to do. Just focus on yourself. Just change yourself in the way that you prefer....”

continued

“...The ones that think like you, will joint you. The ones that don’t will be somewhere else. And you can’t do anything about changing their mind anyway.”

quick link @ 6:52 (http://youtu.be/yY4J_RvP8cY?t=6m52s) “...It’s not a significant shift in your country, it’s do we see a significant shift in individuals who will take themselves to another parallel earth reality that is already different. That we do see. But we will be talking to that earth. We won’t be talking to the other one...“

continued

“...It doesn’t matter whether that earth changes. It only matters whether individuals change themselves and shifts to another earth that is already representative of the change that you are talking about. Already representative of that experience. Doesn’t matter if a change occurs in any particular reality. Because every reality is distinct for whatever definition it serves. What experience it has been designed to serve. So that reality will never change. Never! Its, it’s own reality by definition. A reality doesn’t change. Your experience of reality changes when you shift to another reality more representative of the experience that is your vibration..."


yY4J_RvP8cY

Mike
6th July 2013, 21:03
Alright Ilie, you win!:second:

I just hoping for a midday miracle, ya know? Maybe see something blow up, a naked woman levitating outside my window...that type of sh!t;)

Oh I dunno what I'm expecting mate..just blowing off a little steam is all...

I appreciate your energy here my friend.

RunningDeer
6th July 2013, 21:08
Alright Ilie, you win!:second:

I just hoping for a midday miracle, ya know? Maybe see something blow up, a naked woman levitating outside my window...that type of sh!t;)

Oh I dunno what I'm expecting mate..just blowing off a little steam is all...

I appreciate your energy here my friend.

The short answer: you are looking outside yourself for evidence. You create it. Don't wait for someone one to buzz over head. That is...unless you've created it.

Mike
6th July 2013, 21:12
Paula that stuff is fascinating. Especially story number 3. Thanks so much for your energy and your sharing.

I almost always watch every video twice, usually cursing myself for being too stupid to miss this or that the first time around. I'm gonna sign off and check out your video, most likely noting your highlights the second time around.

:hug:

jiminii
6th July 2013, 21:13
Another fear that comes up for me, if I were to accept Jim's claims as true is that all the "crap" in my life is my creation so I have to own it! And if I take it a step further, all the "crap" in the world is also my "co-creation" and I'd have to own that as well.

If I am to be completely honest I am not fully open to accept that responsibility, so I will play the "poor me" game for a while longer and deny any of my "instant creator abilities" until I am able to face what I have created so far.

now you're not going to get anywhere saying you are something you're not ....

and you can't win if you are this serious ...

I gave you a game

just get up there in the sky in your imagination ... and get a good picture in your mind ... of this galaxy ..

keep making it more and more real ... make it like a child making a sand castle ...

now start doing something with that sand castle

start removing in your imagination all the negative people ... and put them in a place where they can't hurt anyone anymore ...
do this until it gets more and more real ...
start next by putting in the good people to replace those bad ... and .. now make sure you are imagining this planet as the one we are creating on
and make sure you are managing all those who are counter intending our survival ... and get them all replaced with good guys ... and our environment is getting cleaned up
and etc etc ... create is all like a child ...

that is creating the form .. make the form more and more clear in your mind ... now .. we have a beautiful planet

ok ... and you are part contributor to this ...

is that so hard ... now deep inside is this huge spirit .. with infinite potential and it loves to play games ... if it didn't it would not be on this forum ... just let this being that is you go do all that what you can imagine ...

it is not a serious game ... serious doesn't work as easy as childlike innocence ... you can do this ... and in the future when you see it happens you can tell your friends and family ... "I helped do that" ... now your thoughts will go in with all the others doing the same thing as you .. and the combined force ... will make a sane planet ...

if you say you can't then you are agreeing to be the problem ..not the solution
we all have to start being the solution ... even if it is no more than playing with imagination ,..

you will be surprised what will happen

believe me

jim

Ilie Pandia
6th July 2013, 21:13
Hi Chinaski,

The reason I've joined this discussion is that I really like and connected with your opening post :).

I too am looking for proof. Jim's posts (and not only his) are great triggers for me and they look from my current perspective as: crazy unprovable claims! (I say it again, it is my perspective! I don't want to deny anyone's experience here).

This thread of yours was a good opportunity to look at myself and my need for proof as well and I thank you for that and I join you in your intention, but not for a miracle, rather a "normal event" in an expanded awareness :) (my personal definition for miracles).

Ilie Pandia
6th July 2013, 21:20
Another fear that comes up for me, if I were to accept Jim's claims as true is that all the "crap" in my life is my creation so I have to own it! And if I take it a step further, all the "crap" in the world is also my "co-creation" and I'd have to own that as well.

If I am to be completely honest I am not fully open to accept that responsibility, so I will play the "poor me" game for a while longer and deny any of my "instant creator abilities" until I am able to face what I have created so far.

now you're not going to get anywhere saying you are something you're not ....

and you can't win if you are this serious ...

I gave you a game

just get up there in the sky in your imagination ... and get a good picture in your mind ... of this galaxy ..

keep making it more and more real ... make it like a child making a sand castle ...

now start doing something with that sand castle

start removing in your imagination all the negative people ... and put them in a place where they can't hurt anyone anymore ...
do this until it gets more and more real ...
start next by putting in the good people to replace those bad ... and .. now make sure you are imagining this planet as the one we are creating on
and make sure you are managing all those who are counter intending our survival ... and get them all replaced with good guys ... and our environment is getting cleaned up
and etc etc ... create is all like a child ...

that is creating the form .. make the form more and more clear in your mind ... now .. we have a beautiful planet

ok ... and you are part contributor to this ...

is that so hard ... now deep inside is this huge spirit .. with infinite potential and it loves to play games ... if it didn't it would not be on this forum ... just let this being that is you go do all that what you can imagine ...

it is not a serious game ... serious doesn't work as easy as childlike innocence ... you can do this ... and in the future when you see it happens you can tell your friends and family ... "I helped do that" ... now your thoughts will go in with all the others doing the same thing as you .. and the combined force ... will make a sane planet ...

if you say you can't then you are agreeing to be the problem ..not the solution
we all have to start being the solution ... even if it is no more than playing with imagination ,..

you will be surprised what will happen

believe me

jim

Jim, this is the first post I read from you that makes sense to me.

I think I understand it, at an intellectual level. I kinda know that how I see myself now is "a false limiting perspective". But all this power you are talking about... it freaks me out... Let's assume that I can do all that.... What if I screw up and imagine the wrong thing? This is a serious thought and I suspect a major block within myself.

Sierra
6th July 2013, 21:24
And another thing to consider. Reading Chris Carter's trilogy about psychic abilities (http://www.amazon.com/Science-Psychic-Phenomena-House-Skeptics/dp/159477451X) it seems that psychic abilities tend to be a lot more powerful when they are "truly needed". In other words you may find yourself doing paranormal stuff to save your life or otherwise get out of a sticky situation, but then be completely unable to demonstrate the same affect in a "controlled environment". It seems that is very hard to "show off" these abilities, and that some sort of "real need" is required for you to manifest such abilities.

Yes, and that in itself can create problems down the road. I've done some weird stuff, when in a state of terror, to get myself out of trouble. The problem is, the terror is SO intense, I have no desire to go there, and I block myself from using abilities when I am not in a state of terror. The terror and the ability seem to be inextricably linked.

The other state I am in when some ability manifests is complete disinterest, asking an idle question, not expecting a response, and getting an answer with diagrams and sound effects. To a silly question.

Sheesh. :noidea:

To do it on command? No way Jose! Sorry Chinaski!

RunningDeer
6th July 2013, 21:30
Deleted because it doesn't fit thread.

jiminii
6th July 2013, 21:34
Another fear that comes up for me, if I were to accept Jim's claims as true is that all the "crap" in my life is my creation so I have to own it! And if I take it a step further, all the "crap" in the world is also my "co-creation" and I'd have to own that as well.

If I am to be completely honest I am not fully open to accept that responsibility, so I will play the "poor me" game for a while longer and deny any of my "instant creator abilities" until I am able to face what I have created so far.

now you're not going to get anywhere saying you are something you're not ....

and you can't win if you are this serious ...

I gave you a game

just get up there in the sky in your imagination ... and get a good picture in your mind ... of this galaxy ..

keep making it more and more real ... make it like a child making a sand castle ...

now start doing something with that sand castle

start removing in your imagination all the negative people ... and put them in a place where they can't hurt anyone anymore ...
do this until it gets more and more real ...
start next by putting in the good people to replace those bad ... and .. now make sure you are imagining this planet as the one we are creating on
and make sure you are managing all those who are counter intending our survival ... and get them all replaced with good guys ... and our environment is getting cleaned up
and etc etc ... create is all like a child ...

that is creating the form .. make the form more and more clear in your mind ... now .. we have a beautiful planet

ok ... and you are part contributor to this ...

is that so hard ... now deep inside is this huge spirit .. with infinite potential and it loves to play games ... if it didn't it would not be on this forum ... just let this being that is you go do all that what you can imagine ...

it is not a serious game ... serious doesn't work as easy as childlike innocence ... you can do this ... and in the future when you see it happens you can tell your friends and family ... "I helped do that" ... now your thoughts will go in with all the others doing the same thing as you .. and the combined force ... will make a sane planet ...

if you say you can't then you are agreeing to be the problem ..not the solution
we all have to start being the solution ... even if it is no more than playing with imagination ,..

you will be surprised what will happen

believe me

jim

Jim, this is the first post I read from you that makes sense to me.

I think I understand it, at an intellectual level. I kinda know that how I see myself now is "a false limiting perspective". But all this power you are talking about... it freaks me out... Let's assume that I can do all that.... What if I screw up and imagine the wrong thing? This is a serious thought and I suspect a major block within myself.

we are doing this as a group ... do you think the others will let you fail ????

it is like a push pull ... when one is going down the other pulls them up ... and everyone keeps everyone somewhat aligned ... you watch what happens in the news and see what part of your creations are appearing and then correct them if they are not exactly what you wanted ...
and next you will see the changes happening

do you see what i mean?

RunningDeer
6th July 2013, 21:41
In 1989, this experience in Tai Chi allowed me to open beyond this 3D illusion. When I say my foot went through the stair, I don't mean the stair was in disrepair.

Cloud hands is one movement in the Tai Chi form. The teacher had the class used this one form as a moving group meditation. When it was over, he had us move to the stage which was only three steps higher than the main floor.

With my mind still suspended from the exercise, I stepped on the first step and tripped because my foot went through the stair about 4-6 inches deep. I tried to catch myself with the other foot up the next stair. I tripped again. My foot went through the second one only 2-3 inches deep. Then logic took over and I caught myself with my hands, and mind clicked back to 3D solid material world. It all happened so fast that there was no time only an unfolding of a movie.

I believe in part, I had this experience because the group energy raise up my own potential. Those internal energies are known to more people now. Can you imagine what it's going to be like when we all come together? I'm excited.

ulli
6th July 2013, 21:53
There is no doctor who hasn't messed up at some point,
and lost a patient unwittingly.
Trial and error...that's what it's about. We need to get over our fear of making a mess and get on with it.
There are organized efforts going on out there that use magical rituals to keep their century-old power bases
functioning, and people aren't happy with such a status quo, and rather want to see this collapse like a house of cards.
But their own lives are so intertwined with the old structure that the process could be quite painful.
So what is to be done?
It's getting critical. Lets start with healing those who need it most.
Healing one individual is fairly easy when a small group cooperate.
There was a time when people came to the Here and Now thread and asked for help for their relatives,
and found incredible results. I was one of those myself.
Like my husband's arrhythmia attack...five minutes after posting about it...
Boom. Gone. Healthy heartbeat ever since...that was over a year ago.

Maybe the time has come that was was going on inside that little Here and Now Village now spreads all over the rest of the Avalon community. The friendships formed there will continue forever, even if we never write one another again.

Once we all realize that this energy thing is for real, we can then start on whole countries.

The principle of "as above, so below" means that size does not matter in an infinite universe.
Nor do time spans in an eternal one.

What matters is the firm conviction that there is an incredible strength within all of us, and ability, and reserves.

jiminii
6th July 2013, 22:00
In 1989, this experience in Tai Chi allowed me to open beyond this 3D illusion. When I say my foot went through the stair, I don't mean the stair was in disrepair.

Cloud hands is one movement in the Tai Chi form. The teacher had the class used this one form as a moving group meditation. When it was over, he had us move to the stage which was only three steps higher than the main floor.

With my mind still suspended from the exercise, I stepped on the first step and tripped because my foot went through the stair about 4-6 inches deep. I tried to catch myself with the other foot up the next stair. I tripped again. My foot went through the second one only 2-3 inches deep. Then logic took over and I caught myself with my hands, and mind clicked back to 3D solid material world. It all happened so fast that there was no time only an unfolding of a movie.

I believe in part, I had this experience because the group energy raise up my own potential. Those internal energies are known to more people now. Can you imagine what it's going to be like when we all come together? I'm excited.

this thread was a reply by someone to a thread I made

There is So Much Spiritual Energy Happening On the Planet now

his thread is ... can you feel that ... I can't

jim

jiminii
6th July 2013, 22:07
In 1989, this experience in Tai Chi allowed me to open beyond this 3D illusion. When I say my foot went through the stair, I don't mean the stair was in disrepair.

Cloud hands is one movement in the Tai Chi form. The teacher had the class used this one form as a moving group meditation. When it was over, he had us move to the stage which was only three steps higher than the main floor.

With my mind still suspended from the exercise, I stepped on the first step and tripped because my foot went through the stair about 4-6 inches deep. I tried to catch myself with the other foot up the next stair. I tripped again. My foot went through the second one only 2-3 inches deep. Then logic took over and I caught myself with my hands, and mind clicked back to 3D solid material world. It all happened so fast that there was no time only an unfolding of a movie.

I believe in part, I had this experience because the group energy raise up my own potential. Those internal energies are known to more people now. Can you imagine what it's going to be like when we all come together? I'm excited.

this thread was a reply by someone to a thread I made

There is So Much Spiritual Energy Happening On the Planet now

his thread is ... can you feel that ... I can't

jim

the original post is here
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60856-There-is-So-Much-Spiritual-Energy-Happening-On-the-Planet-now

RunningDeer
6th July 2013, 22:08
I had a heavy, oak butcher block table delivered about 12 years ago because it’d be too heavy to carry up to my second floor apartment. What I didn’t know was that I had to assemble and then turn it right side up.

It was top heavy. :moil: I'm glad I hadn't figured that out before I finished adding the legs.

I tried a system of pulleys. Hoisting inch by inch, sneaking another book to the already zig-zaggy pile. It was hot, I was angry, and in a panic. It continued to slide out from the little progress I made. Grrrrr!!! So, I put a call out to my ‘Guides’. And that butcher block almost lifted itself. I was only there to guide it.

I always want to add a qualifier to these kinds of accounts. Like it's okay if you don't believe me. Because if I wasn't right there in the struggle, I'd have trouble buying it.

Here's my point for reposting: http://www.pic4ever.com/images/computer3.gif

We've got potential. It’s good to tap into it even if in small ways, see it as "co-creation muscle building".

jiminii
6th July 2013, 22:15
I had a heavy, oak butcher block table delivered about 12 years ago because it’d be too heavy to carry up to my second floor apartment. What I didn’t know was that I had to assemble and then turn it right side up.

It was top heavy. :moil: I'm glad I hadn't figured that out before I finished adding the legs.

I tried a system of pulleys. Hoisting inch by inch, sneaking another book to the already zig-zaggy pile. It was hot, I was angry, and in a panic. It continued to slide out from the little progress I made. Grrrrr!!! So, I put a call out to my ‘Guides’. And that butcher block almost lifted itself. I was only there to guide it.

I always want to add a qualifier to these kinds of accounts. Like it's okay if you don't believe me. Because if I wasn't right there in the struggle, I'd have trouble buying it.

Here's my point for reposting: http://www.pic4ever.com/images/computer3.gif

We've got potential. It’s good to tap into it even if in small ways, see it as "co-creation muscle building".

well I got to sleep ... let you take over from here ..hahaha

jim

Fred Steeves
6th July 2013, 22:38
This thread of yours was a good opportunity to look at myself and my need for proof as well and I thank you for that and I join you in your intention, but not for a miracle, rather a "normal event" in an expanded awareness :) (my personal definition for miracles).

You know it's funny Ilie. Several years ago when I first started getting into all this stuff, and was devouring the wide variety of books in the Spiritual Section of the book store, the claims of this and that sounded wonderful, but seemed as if they were reserved for those few "chosen" or "special" people. In hindsight most of those books were pure crap (LOL), but one thing they did do was to keep me hot on the trail of those damn elusive bread crumbs.:)

When you mentioned the following in a previous post...


Another fear that comes up for me, if I were to accept Jim's claims as true is that all the "crap" in my life is my creation so I have to own it! And if I take it a step further, all the "crap" in the world is also my "co-creation" and I'd have to own that as well.

If I am to be completely honest I am not fully open to accept that responsibility, so I will play the "poor me" game for a while longer and deny any of my "instant creator abilities" until I am able to face what I have created so far.

A big "ding ding ding, we have a winner" went off in my head. It wasn't until maybe a year and a half ago, that I made that leap to accept personal responsibility for absolutely *everything* that happened/happens in my life, and this is the one thing Jim says that I am totally with. It's a double edged sword in that it simultaneously devastates the ego (no one else to blame), yet frees us with the power to Create something different. (Basically the same as Wade Frazier's choir idea).

Which brings me back to the talk vs. action topic of this thread. When you referred to
a "normal event" in an expanded awareness as opposed to a miracle, IMO you were spot on brother. One person can be experiencing a "miracle", while another person witnesses the same event, and sees "normal".

If I'm reading Mike (Chinaski) correctly, and I think I am, is that the ones who truly witness, know of, and understand the meaning of such "miraculous" events occurring through their higher consciousness, should have better ways of communicating such knowings and teachings, rather than merely making claim after unsubstantiated claim.

Who knows whether a guy named Yeshua actually walked on water to prove himself or not, but it looks to me like he actually lived what he taught, it made sense, and that's probably a big reason why people started listening to him in the first place.

Cheers,

Fred

Rahkyt
6th July 2013, 22:47
There are a loooot of Posers out there. Always have been. Fakirs.

That's fine.

It's the way of the world. The funny thing about this thread is that everybody's right. Chinaski, you're experiences are correct, as are Jimini's. Paula and Ulli's lives have provided them with incontrovertible evidence and Carmody's inner and outer explorations have convinced him of the veracity of his perceptions. Ili's openness and trust in others experience leaves him ready for gnosis when it arrives.

I sense your levity in this, Chinaski, is based upon a real, underlying disquiet. It is pervasive currently, with so many having been so open for so long, to have their hopes seemingly dashed by 2012 and the continuing prevalence of mis-information and misleading, energetic highs and lows pronounced, dates come and past with little of an overtly magical nature occurring that can provide solid and incontrovertible evidence to those who wish to 'see' with their own eyes, behind the veil. But, really, not only to see. But to experience. If Jimini can help behind the scenes, with the heart issue, that would be incontrovertible proof. Witnessing and experiencing.

But would the overall doubts end, since so much else has been seen to be false? So many others seen to be wrong?

Discernment. Openness. Gifts arrived at beyond fear, beyond doubt, beyond anger. Ili's statement that there is a blockage existent in many that filters perception and disallows experiential confirmation of extra-sensory perception and events is spot on. That filter pertains to rationalization and justification processes that must fit everything into pre-conceived notions and boxes and what does not fit cannot exist. The mind and eyes are literally trained not to 'see' what cannot be believed.

I've seen the look on people's faces when they have witnessed what they consider to be "the impossible". It is a dull, mouth-opened, incredulous stare, with half-lidded eyes blinking slowly, bodies slack and flacid. I've lost "friends" because of it; been outcast because of it.

Experience is the only corroborator of what lies, even yet, beyond the pale. Even with all of the paranormal shows on TV, the reams and reams of books, the videos, the testimonies, it remains incumbent upon the experiencer to know truth. It has always been that way and, it seems, will continue to be that way.

I've repeated what many others have already said so I'll stop here. But I should probably also say, to end, to be careful what you wish for. It's not all unicorns, faeries, love and light.

Once you perceive ... you cannot go back ...

RunningDeer
6th July 2013, 22:53
Hodge-podge post: EagleSpirit posted this and I responded. The new parts begin at: “To post or not to post”?


From EagleSpirit:

...your 'light-body' transformation has already occurred and 3d has now to catch up???
Hhhmmmmmmm!?!?!!!

Then I'd say start living "as if". It's what I'm doing. If someone followed me around for a day, they'd conclude, “It's the same day, every day”.

I'd say, experience what I experience. Changes moment to moment. Or is it nano-no-time to nano-no-time? Or I’d just say, it's the “Fibonacci Way”. Simply, synchronicity happens because I know it does. I pay attention.


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Photoshop/Fibonacci-Way_zps84125292.JPG

"Groundhog Day"
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“To post or not to post”?

The ones with power would not speak of it
They have no need because it is subjective and often not provable
The dark ones will come with their big zappers
S/he’s got a vivid imagination
She’s a top heavy ego muffin, that one, she is


I haven’t made it rain, but I’ve zapped clouds: I use to demonstrate to my students that you can zap clouds. I showed them that you just visualize them gone. In the case where there’s a lot of cloud cover, just zap a hole in them. They not only accomplished it, but went home and taught their parents.

You say prove it. There's a point where you understand, "been there, done that, what's next?" Also, if it's on video, it's human nature for the whole disinfo slam game.

I share. I say try it. Or get creative and find your way. See from the larger perspective that it IS possible. Find your specialized niche.

Anchor
6th July 2013, 23:12
there must be dozens upon dozens of these types of threads on Avalon. they generally go something like this:
"i'm feeling really strange lately, feeling as if something big might happen. can you guys feel that? are you tuned into the static? it's like the calm before the storm, isn't it? i'm not sure what it is exactly, but it feels like it's on it's way soon..." etc etc:)
....
our psychic track record is abominable, lets face it:) I get no joy out of saying that, but it's true.

Chinaski,

Actually the psychic track record contains widely varied results - some are quite good - especially some of the group efforts and healing efforts, for some reason they don't get very well highlighted. The kinds of people involved in those efforts are not doing it for fame or glamor, so they don't care much.

A possibility occurs to me when reading your post is between the lines: "I don't ever feel any of those things, and I think you may either be deluded or telling lies. To give me comfort, please prove to me that you are not lying with a demonstration".

To elaborate on your pattern someone comes along (me in some cases ;) although I don't do it as much these days) to say proof cannot be given and why.

Someone else will come along and explain that you will see what you need to see when you need to see it - Carmody for example on this thread did that early on.

Perhaps some of this is based in a concern (a mild fear). Am I afraid people are lying? Am I afraid people are telling the truth and that I am in some way being "left behind"?
Are these people trolls just trying to get others to tag along and thereby be successfully manipulated ( meaning the troll scores some points on his internal value scale)?
Is my faith being legitimately tested or is this another cosmic Rick roll?

Here is what I think you should do...

Keep telling the truth (like you did in the OP) always - to yourself and to others. Never stop doing that with matters like these.

Don't trust anyone more than you trust yourself. Anytime you start looking for answers to things outside of you, have a check that you first looked diligently for those answers inside of you. There is no good reason for this that I can give you, except its obvious that answers could seem to exist in both places and you should reasonably trust yourself more than you can trust anyone else. This takes practise, and the more you do it, the more you find out how much of a barrier components of yourself can be in this quest for truth.

Don't worry about what people do or say on forums to much in line with the pattern of posting you outlined, because its all grist to the mill of spiritual development. Even deluded people provide paths of learning to others. That said it is obvious you are motivated out of the care for others and trying to help stop others be tricked, and for that many kudos to you!

There is a lot going on in the locality of this planet that not everyone is going to be fully aware of, and those that are, the awareness is going to be in different measure. It is perfectly reasonable for some people to "feel" things that others don't. As stated before its a matter of tuning, some can, some cant. Some tell themselves they can because they fear the consequences if they can't.

It is perfectly reasonable (but does not help you) that peoples experience cannot be rendered accurately into words on a forum - and this tends to result in vague and imprecise narrative, which may not mean they are not telling the truth, but also makes it easy for someone being deceitful to accomplish their objectives - because it is politically correct to have to tolerate such imprecision. If you need to get involved just ask more and more questions until you either get the answer or decide you need to follow another path.

I hope this is good food for thought and is helpful to frame a solution.

RunningDeer
6th July 2013, 23:29
Deleted because the post doesn't fit the thread.

Anchor
7th July 2013, 00:08
Deleted because the post doesn't fit the thread.


I think you should have a single thread where all the posts that you make and end up deleting-by-edit get added to instead - just for some science :)

Anyway, I read it before you nuked it so there :p

Roisin
7th July 2013, 00:10
I have a question. If someone claimed to be a Psychic Development Teacher and said that he could teach you how to levitate, would you first ask him to levitate for you just to see if he himself could do it before you would take him up on his offer to teach you?

Mike
7th July 2013, 01:12
Well you nailed it Rahkyt....on a couple fronts...

If I'm being totally honest with myself, there was probably a little too much disquietude in me for levity to have ever prevailed. I'm too annoyed and frustrated, both by my lack of paranormal experience (firsthand) and also by some of the well-meaning but grating (in some respects, to me) responses.

We suffer from repetition here, and it's perfectly understandable. Its bound to happen. And spiritual aphorisms, no matter how insightful, can only be ingested so often before I start vomiting them back up.

Experience is the only corroborator of truth, as you said. And although I know that this will only encourage another member to post something really annoying about the importance of patience;), I consider this thread as an aggressive search of that(experience).

eaglespirit
7th July 2013, 01:30
Well you nailed it Rahkyt....on a couple fronts...

If I'm being totally honest with myself, there was probably a little too much disquietude in me for levity to have ever prevailed. I'm too annoyed and frustrated, both by my lack of paranormal experience (firsthand) and also by some of the well-meaning but grating (in some respects, to me) responses.


We suffer from repetition here, and it's perfectly understandable. Its bound to happen. And spiritual aphorisms, no matter how insightful, can only be ingested so often before I start vomiting them back up.

Experience is the only corroborator of truth, as you said. And although I know that this will only encourage another member to post something really annoying about the importance of patience;), I consider this thread as an aggressive search of that(experience).


Hi Chinaski...Wishing Yo Well!

This is simply a strong suggestion of a strong feeling...look into your Native American roots. If you do not have evident Native American lineage in this life, it is still there and imho is waiting for you to explore.
Connect with a wise old spirit nearby away from all the noise and maybe commit to a vision quest... a personal ceremony of natural spiritual 'levitation' by someone with the wisdom to guide you...seek and you shall find, the door will open and experiences for a very personal powerful persuasion of a higher kind are awaiting your next moves.
Just my prompted targeted ramblings...the Best to You!

Mike
7th July 2013, 01:32
Hi Anchor, thanks for the thoughts...

No, I wasn't seeking comfort, and I don't really have any fear of being left behind. I don't even think the members are are necessarily lying about their experiences - I just think I have a different idea of what constitutes true ability in some cases. And in those that claim it, I respectfully request a demonstration of their talents.

I enjoyed the post. Thanks for the tips

Mike
7th July 2013, 01:40
Hi EagleSpirit,

I do have native american roots....hey are you psychic? That was pretty impressive! Wait, have I ever mentioned that here before?;)

Thanks for the reminder mate. I think I needed it!

Anchor
7th July 2013, 01:50
I respectfully request a demonstration of their talents.

Ok, how about we heal you?

This is not a simple question by the way.

Hypothetically - lets say, your all like "challenge accepted". We go through a process and you end up with some physical malady restored to what is considered healthy.

Enter the niggling doubt - would you have gotten better anyway?

Placebo? Did we do anything or did you do it by yourself? (Is this last one actually different?).

See the problem?

Mike
7th July 2013, 01:58
I respectfully request a demonstration of their talents.

Ok, how about we heal you?

This is not a simple question by the way.

Hypothetically - lets say, your all like "challenge accepted". We go through a process and you end up with some physical malady restored to what is considered healthy.

Enter the niggling doubt - would you have gotten better anyway?

Placebo? Did we do anything or did you do it by yourself? (Is this last one actually different?).

See the problem?


My friend, I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've been sent "healing energy", or variations thereof, from huge hearted and well-meaning members here...and nothing has ever happened as a result.

For all those who have offered me their assistance, I've got nothing but love for ya, and I mean absolutely no disrespect.

Hey, if you guys wanna heal me I won' t stop you, ha! I am biased, obviously, but I do think it would be a wonderful conclusion to the thread!

Rahkyt
7th July 2013, 02:04
I'm too annoyed and frustrated, both by my lack of paranormal experience (firsthand) and also by some of the well-meaning but grating (in some respects, to me) responses.

I understand. I'm not going to make any suggestions or give you any advice. I'm going to tell you a truth.

Chasing after paranormal experiences will cause more pain than pleasure, will cause more trouble than alleviate the same.

If one is chasing the paranormal, one will find it at the level of consciousness that they currently inhabit. Attempting to practice certain meditative practices in order to gain Sidhis (powers) is indulging a desire for power. No different from seeking power over friends and family, on the job or in society.

The roots of that desire are hidden behind the glamour of ability. Those roots are based in fear.


I don't even think the members are are necessarily lying about their experiences - I just think I have a different idea of what constitutes true ability in some cases. And in those that claim it, I respectfully request a demonstration of their talents.

If someone demonstrates a paranormal ability to you they are gratifying ego. Their own.

This is anathema to spiritual evolution. It is desire-based.

There are those that could do so but they are not generally displaying their own power. They are displaying power that comes from entities that have taken up residence within their fields. Power that comes at great cost to their own eventual progress.

There is so much, Chinasky ... rules, laws, codes that are built into the world and the Multiverse. Working within this structure cognizant of what one is doing each time an ability is used leads real practitioners to the invariable realization that they are to be used sparingly and only in the utmost need. The energetic balance is absolute and any real withdrawal from it must eventually result in an equal deposit.

skippy
7th July 2013, 02:15
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thunder24
7th July 2013, 02:20
this may sound simplistic but consider the alchemical process your body goes through for digestion...Talk about powers. And then compare that within the understanding of As above so Below...

"...come to see it in the smallest of things, and you will come to see it in the largest..." Not the answer but mayb a place to look.

peace

RunningDeer
7th July 2013, 02:33
Deleted because the post doesn't fit the thread.

I think you should have a single thread where all the posts that you make and end up deleting-by-edit get added to instead - just for some science :)

Anyway, I read it before you nuked it so there :p

Ha! Here’s an incomplete list. If I add them all, I’d have to delete the post.


I have trouble identifying the main theme to threads. The ones I deleted here were about techniques I've used, but the thread is about proof.

Sometimes, I delete because I get my humor and others don't. It appears off topic, and the sound of cricket is deafening.

Other times, although I want to offer my perspective, I feel too vulnerable to have the information out there.

If comments are too biased or judgey, it's not worth the hassle.

When I'm preachy or teachy.

Someone covered what I posted.

My posts don't fit when the thread takes a different turn.


In closing, I've already given myself the "self-esteem, you are worthy, what do you care what others think" speech.

johnf
7th July 2013, 02:43
I'm too annoyed and frustrated, both by my lack of paranormal experience (firsthand) and also by some of the well-meaning but grating (in some respects, to me) responses.

I understand. I'm not going to make any suggestions or give you any advice. I'm going to tell you a truth.

Chasing after paranormal experiences will cause more pain than pleasure, will cause more trouble than alleviate the same.

If one is chasing the paranormal, one will find it at the level of consciousness that they currently inhabit. Attempting to practice certain meditative practices in order to gain Sidhis (powers) is indulging a desire for power. No different from seeking power over friends and family, on the job or in society.

The roots of that desire are hidden behind the glamour of ability. Those roots are based in fear.


I don't even think the members are are necessarily lying about their experiences - I just think I have a different idea of what constitutes true ability in some cases. And in those that claim it, I respectfully request a demonstration of their talents.

If someone demonstrates a paranormal ability to you they are gratifying ego. Their own.

This is anathema to spiritual evolution. It is desire-based.

There are those that could do so but they are not generally displaying their own power. They are displaying power that comes from entities that have taken up residence within their fields. Power that comes at great cost to their own eventual progress.

There is so much, Chinasky ... rules, laws, codes that are built into the world and the Multiverse. Working within this structure cognizant of what one is doing each time an ability is used leads real practitioners to the invariable realization that they are to be used sparingly and only in the utmost need. The energetic balance is absolute and any real withdrawal from it must eventually result in an equal deposit.

Word. Post number 101. paranormal experiences 101, lol.

Mike
7th July 2013, 03:15
I dunno Rahkyt...If i request a demonstration of someone's abilities, and they comply, then I might view that as magnanimous as opposed to ego oriented.

I just don't think it's quite as complicated as some are making it out to be.

I'm simply curious(yes, and a little frustrated;))...and personally do not think my spiritual evolution will be set back in any way by witnessing a miraculous event in 3d.

Orph
7th July 2013, 03:30
Sometimes, I delete because I get my humor and others don't. Don't feel alone there. I always have this giggle-fest going on inside my head. But when I try to tell someone else what I find so funny, all I get is a :crazy:



In closing, I've already given myself the "self-esteem, you are worthy, what do you care what others think" speech.So, that's kind of like talking to yourself but not listening to what you're saying. :bolt:

gripreaper
7th July 2013, 03:38
Deleted because the post doesn't fit the thread.

I think you should have a single thread where all the posts that you make and end up deleting-by-edit get added to instead - just for some science :)

Anyway, I read it before you nuked it so there :p

Ha! Here’s an incomplete list. If I add them all, I’d have to delete the post.


I have trouble identifying the main theme to threads. The ones I deleted here were about techniques I've used, but the thread is about proof.

Sometimes, I delete because I get my humor and others don't. It appears off topic, and the sound of cricket is deafening.

Other times, although I want to offer my perspective, I feel too vulnerable to have the information out there.

If comments are too biased or judgey, it's not worth the hassle.

When I'm preachy or teachy.

Someone covered what I posted.

My post don't fit when the thread takes a different turn.


In closing, I've already given myself the "self-esteem, you are worthy, what do you care what others think" speech.

I do go back and read my own posts sometimes and ask myself "You wrote that? "That was you?"

Was wondering if there is any way to download all of my 2200 posts and read them in series and see what in the hell is going on with me.

Anchor
7th July 2013, 03:54
My friend, I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've been sent "healing energy", or variations thereof, from huge hearted and well-meaning members here...and nothing has ever happened as a result.

For all those who have offered me their assistance, I've got nothing but love for ya, and I mean absolutely no disrespect.

Hey, if you guys wanna heal me I won' t stop you, ha! I am biased, obviously, but I do think it would be a wonderful conclusion to the thread!

Yes well that is not the same.

I actually said how about we heal you, I did not say, how about we try to heal you. If you would not mind, please read it again, but with that in mind.

RunningDeer
7th July 2013, 04:03
In closing, I've already given myself the "self-esteem, you are worthy, what do you care what others think" speech.So, that's kind of like talking to yourself but not listening to what you're saying. :bolt:

B-I-N-G-O! Easy to see why I take time-outs.
:focus:

RunningDeer
7th July 2013, 04:15
I do go back and read my own posts sometimes and ask myself "You wrote that? "That was you?"

Was wondering if there is any way to download all of my 2200 posts and read them in series and see what in the hell is going on with me.

Ha! Nice to know someone else does, too. The Paula that posted last year, no longer is... That information is outdated. Solution? A name change every six months. WhiteCrowBlackDeer to Paula to maybe Dodo bird. (i.e., extinct, as in ego's left the building, lots of crickets)

:focus:


Choir of the Crickets
hGpCtK1KHwI

Ultima Thule
7th July 2013, 04:41
Shall I be more direct?

Warp your mind and viewpoint/filter, as the package you are carrying now is not cognating the greater space. It is not a fault, it is the same for everyone. You will find the answer you need when the need is great enough. Until then some part of you will remain stubbornly outside of change.


Could it be just that? Ie one wanting to have psychic or spiritual phenomena without actual "need-to-know/experience"? Resulting in mind and the senses running on idle and once a bit is felt, expectation quantifies it? I was just thinking on similar lines as Chinaski some days ago about situations where I have hoped for to exist a spiritual dimension(resulting in feeling something about perhaps something going on and nodding to others:"I can feel it too(maybe)") versus occasions where I have needed a spiritual experience and it has occurred unmistakeably, leaving no room for ambiguity, whether I felt like having it or not.

I really hope no-one is offended, but perhaps at times some spiritual feelings are just wishful thinking or flatulence. I have had my small share of spiritual experiences and know of their absolute reality, so I really am not dissing anything catecorigally.


UT

Anchor
7th July 2013, 04:52
In closing, I've already given myself the "self-esteem, you are worthy, what do you care what others think" speech.

Good, because you are worthy. I was only having some fun, there was no criticism intended.

Dennis Leahy
7th July 2013, 04:58
this thread was inspired by a recent Jim thread ( thanks Jim;)) )where he espoused this belief that something vitally and cosmically important may have just occurred, and that something of equal importance may be occuring soon) and is intended as a tongue in cheek response. no disrespect intended, truly - while my position is rather serious, the intent here is to provide a little levity.

there must be dozens upon dozens of these types of threads on Avalon. they generally go something like this:
"i'm feeling really strange lately, feeling as if something big might happen. can you guys feel that? are you tuned into the static? it's like the calm before the storm, isn't it? i'm not sure what it is exactly, but it feels like it's on it's way soon..." etc etc:)

said poster usually will offer physical, mental and perhaps metaphysical symptoms they are experiencing, in an attempt to fortify the huge leap in logic they are making (you're getting the ear buzzing too? well the world must be ending then!) the thread will usually go 4-5 pages at least, with members inevitably lining up to announce that they too are in tune with the apocalyptic vibes.

and then of course nothing happens.

our psychic track record is abominable, lets face it:) I get no joy out of saying that, but it's true.

so here's my plea: Avalonians, please stop pretending you're psychic, unless of course you are willing to demonstrate said abilities in a youtube video or something. speaking of which, you ever notice how weird and uptight everyone gets when someone is asked to demonstrate their abilities? it's as if we've all agreed to dedicate ourselves to this fictional paranormal fantasy, and damn you objective inquisitor for ruining our dream with your logical questions!;) that's the sort of feeling I get about it all. and this isn't a passive-aggressive shot at Jim either - i'm talking about the entire forum here.

Can you feel that Avalonians? well, can you? Good, cuz I can't either....

Your point is well taken, brother, and I am guilty of starting one of those threads a while ago. ("pregnant pause")

I felt something. Perhaps it was hemorrhoids or indigestion. Perhaps anxiety from reading too many other people's anxiety expressed (and maybe I'm not as good at filtering it out as I imagine.) Perhaps there was something different in the white noise, and it really was palpable... but misinterpreted.

Have you had the experience of being alone in the woods when the background sounds either stopped or suddenly quieted considerably? I have. I never knew what it was, perhaps just a chain reaction by the critters from a deer quietly making a move. But, I figure there had to be some reason for it, whether or not I could figure it out.

I have had one dead-on precognition in my life (something mundane, but something for which I have no answer other than that for some reason, I had one accurate precognition.) I can't repeat it, so I can't even prove it to myself, much less someone else. I have also had one OBE, and I can tell you that there is absolutely nothing anyone could ever have told me (before I experienced it) that would have made me believe it was even possible. Again, I have no proof, no control over it (have not been able to "force" it to happen or to "allow" it to happen again - yet.) Those are two examples that allow me to understand (if only in a random, lightning strike sort of way), that the mundane 3D world is not the only reality.

I think I'm mostly living a 3D life, and those little sparks of something outside of 3D are not enough (or I'm not "tuned-in enough") to make any psychic predictions, even if I do feel "something" that feels "imminent", that I interpret as an outside "tension", that doesn't seem to manifest in a time frame to appear to be linear enough to have been connected. So yeah, I wouldn't listen to me either, in matters psychic. :~)

Dennis

judymoon
7th July 2013, 05:51
I've have read that spiritual masters, or 'those who would know' say that the path of spiritual enlightenment spawns a myriad of spiritual/psychic powers that should be more or less ignored, as they are just a 'side-effect' of spiritual development. It is easy to become ego-identified with these powers and get side-tracked from your actual goal.

I spend a lot of time on another forum, and those "can you feel it?" threads pop up a couple times a month.

After a while I start to think that maybe it was just a burp in the Force that some people pick up on. And some (like me) don't.

I still believe that the greatest gift we can offer others is compassion and a silent acknowledgement of the difficulty and pain often inherent in an earth incarntion.

I cannot ignore the amount of suffering on this planet and the fact that, of all the people trying to alleviate it through thought and conciousness raising, (with the best of intentions)it is still with us.

Chinaski has dealt with a severe heart problem which has (probably) greatly affected his life experience and conciousness. The last thing a person who is going through a trauma or life-changing experience needs is a lecture on 'personal responsibility'.

Compassion and connection are healing.

Because, let's face it, none of us here (except Jimini) (heh heh) know what's really going on here, in this reality we find ourselves in every day. Even those who have had extraordinary experiences have to get up and go to work, deal with bills, car repairs, relationships, pain, grief and trauma, illness, loss, and the myriad of other experiences that make up a human life.

I was heavily involved in 'new-age' thinking when i was living in sedona, arizona for many years. (the new-age mecca of america!) Living there was a sobering lesson in discernment.

It is easy to say we create our own reality. It is easy to tell another that their suffering is their own creation, and they can stop it. It's easy to Say anything. Words are cheap :)

I have found that some people who embrace new-age thinking (and i'm not thinking of anyone on this forum, but of some people that I know) are actually afraid of the darker side of life. You can't walk a spiritual path very long without confronting the amount of suffering on this planet. (Not just human - I do animal rescue - and I could tell you some stories.)

I have come to the conclusion that all suffering deserves compassion. You can always lecture someone when they are on their feet again:)

I have also come to the conclusion that we are all living in our own tiny (sometimes really weird) universes. When we 'connect' it's through the heart chakra, not the mind.

"You create your own reality" "We are all one" These are advanced spiritual truisms and cannot truly be understood at the freshman, intermediate levels. Life, reality, conciousness, spirituality, are complex and multi-layered, unpredictable, uplifting, scary, gratifying, destroying....much bigger than any one person can wrap up in a package and claim to be an authority on.

We would all love to see a paradigm shift, an end to suffering, an ascendtion to a new level of being ( and i'm perfectly willing to give jimini all the credit should it happen :) ) Meanwhile, we wake up in this world everyday and must learn to deal with it, and grow, despite its hardships.

And be a support to one another.

noprophet
7th July 2013, 06:29
As far as experience... the only connective types you can pull apart is something like numerology; 3 6 9's and the such. To reference output to input.

Demonstration is a fat hurdle, sank about an inch deep.

jiminii
7th July 2013, 06:32
I dunno Rahkyt...If i request a demonstration of someone's abilities, and they comply, then I might view that as magnanimous as opposed to ego oriented.

I just don't think it's quite as complicated as some are making it out to be.

I'm simply curious(yes, and a little frustrated;))...and personally do not think my spiritual evolution will be set back in any way by witnessing a miraculous event in 3d.

I will tell you what it is going to take to heal you .... I have healed people before ... like my friend screaming on the floor with pain on her right side ... near intestine area ... I moved my hands near her side (never touched her) ... and can feel the ridge causing the pain .. suddenly the pain is gone and she says surprisingly "jim the pain is gone" ... something inside me felt this ... "cathy I have to move it to the middle" ..(I had no idea from this body I am in what was going to happen) .. I moved the hand closer to the middle of her stomach ... her body jerked and she said ,, "jim something moved inside me" ... I said, "I have to move it further ." .. I moved my hand more to the center again ... and she yelled ... "jim ...it moved again .... jim ... there is white lines coming from your fingers" ...

that night all this stuff comes out of her and whatever was wrong is gone ... now I have no idea WHY the I AM .. saw this and hinted to this body perception WHAT I SHOULD DO NEXT ....

but others I have healed ???.., ( and I don't have a habit of going around healing people ... I am not here to let others know who I am or what I can do ... because it was projected in me ... to keep myself hidden because it would jeopardize my mission ... )

you can heal people and it is gone ,. only for them to recreate it again ,... they are so USED to it .. that when it is gone ... THEY HAVE TO LOOK ... AND VALIDATE IT ... and then the whole healing is destroyed because the BEING WANTS IT THERE ... for some UNKNOWN REASON

I can give you an example ... a sympathy engram ... someone gets knocked out with a baseball and someone with sympathy ... says " oh there .. there ... we will take care of you ..." and another says ..."we need to stop the bleeding" ,. and all this is recorded when he is unconscious and all the words are recorded equal to each other equal to the baseball equal to the pain in the head ... and he gets some kind of calculation that the pain is equal to the we take care .. equals pain equals stop .. equals blood ...
and he feels he must get others to take care to stop the pain and blood type of command ...

someone gave him sympathy .. when he was hurt and unconscious ... and now he demands sympathy ,.. because he feels it will stop his pain ... or some weird computation

so you can heal this guy ... and .. right after you heal him ... he will recreate it again... because he believes he needs this problem to survive ...

so it is like a girl friend I once had ... her aunt was constantly in pain ,.. and constantly need others to feel sorrow for her .. take care of her .. doctors say she should be dead and don't know what is keeping her alive ...

so I see this and I see she is constantly in pain and the only thing that will solve it is to "STOP GIVING HER SYMPATHY" .. and "LET HER GO ... SO SHE CAN START A NEW LIFE AGAIN" .. .. and so everyone stopped giving her sympathy ... and she died .shortly after ...

what would you do .. KEEP HER ALIVE IN PAIN FOREVER ...TO FEED THIS FALSE MEMORY THAT GOT STUCK IN HER????

so that is why you don't put other peoples attention on your sickness ... because they keep feeding this memory circuit ... you get out and sit on the outside of the house and put your attention out far away from your body ... look into the stars and then look farther with your mind .. look in all directions and put your attention as far away from the body as you can ... and this will cause the PICTURE that is CAUSING THE PROBLEM .. to go farther away from your body .... and you just decide ... that this problem is gone .... just decide it with surety ... and get as much space and distance away from the body you can get ... so the picture loses its power ... then try to get the thought that created it ... when the effects of it is almost zero ... decide THAT thought is NOT TRUE ...
\
this is how I got rid of hay fever .... I got hay fever from falling out of a tree and landing on my face ... and broke my nose .. I later found a chiropractor who could look down my body with his spiritual eyes and he said, "by the way .. you broke your nose and it was not reset right ... you have hay fever don't you?"

be cause over your life .. and stop adding agreement to the sickness by talking about it ... just start telling everyone " I am healed" ...even if you are not ... and get all the agreement from anyone everywhere that YOU ARE HEALED ... and LET ... it happen

ok?

jim

Limor Wolf
7th July 2013, 07:14
So many perspectives on this thread and every one of them is right, It is all about the set of glasses we individually wear and sometimes as time goes by we change to another set of glasses.

I posted this on Wade Frazier's thread and I feel it is relevent here:

"This is quite an unfortunate fact, that experience is the leading catalyzer for having an in depth understanding on any one issue, especially the more uncommon experiences within our society. I understand that this is the way to proceed with things since this is the way men is built and evolutionise, but isn't it possible to shower more people with more 'experience'? why only a few have the (mis) 'fortune' to reach to conclusions, what chance does that leave this 'procedure' of change to be a successful one?

Thinking about it, every rule has an exception, and learning from other's experience is also valuable, but this as well requires a sort of an open mind and an.. experience, although maybe not exactly similar to the person you are learning from. There are all sorts of factors that have to be in such a dynamic, and it applies both to the one who listens and to the one who deliver the information/experience/conclusion.

My own conclusion, to put it a little bluntly is that experience sometimes sucks, but it is the best teacher for growth and learning. There is a syaing that goes like this:


"The medicor teacher tells, the good teacher explains, the superior teacher demonstrate, the great teacher inspires" - William Arthur Ward
It is probable that if you met all those teachers and teachings in your own life then comes the time that you are an inpiring teacher yourself"

And might I add, a demonstrator of your own abilities and your own experiences, with no further need for others to 'show' you

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=694094&viewfull=1#post694094

Limor Wolf
7th July 2013, 07:40
I dunno Rahkyt...If i request a demonstration of someone's abilities, and they comply, then I might view that as magnanimous as opposed to ego oriented.

I just don't think it's quite as complicated as some are making it out to be.

I'm simply curious(yes, and a little frustrated;))...and personally do not think my spiritual evolution will be set back in any way by witnessing a miraculous event in 3d.

I will tell you what it is going to take to heal you .... I have healed people before ... like my friend screaming on the floor with pain on her right side ... near intestine area ... I moved my hands near her side (never touched her) ... and can feel the ridge causing the pain .. suddenly the pain is gone and she says surprisingly "jim the pain is gone" ... something inside me felt this ... "cathy I have to move it to the middle" ..(I had no idea from this body I am in what was going to happen) .. I moved the hand closer to the middle of her stomach ... her body jerked and she said ,, "jim something moved inside me" ... I said, "I have to move it further ." .. I moved my hand more to the center again ... and she yelled ... "jim ...it moved again .... jim ... there is white lines coming from your fingers" ...

that night all this stuff comes out of her and whatever was wrong is gone ... now I have no idea WHY the I AM .. saw this and hinted to this body perception WHAT I SHOULD DO NEXT ....

but others I have healed ???.., ( and I don't have a habit of going around healing people ... I am not here to let others know who I am or what I can do ... because it was projected in me ... to keep myself hidden because it would jeopardize my mission ... )

you can heal people and it is gone ,. only for them to recreate it again ,... they are so USED to it .. that when it is gone ... THEY HAVE TO LOOK ... AND VALIDATE IT ... and then the whole healing is destroyed because the BEING WANTS IT THERE ... for some UNKNOWN REASON

I can give you an example ... a sympathy engram ... someone gets knocked out with a baseball and someone with sympathy ... says " oh there .. there ... we will take care of you ..." and another says ..."we need to stop the bleeding" ,. and all this is recorded when he is unconscious and all the words are recorded equal to each other equal to the baseball equal to the pain in the head ... and he gets some kind of calculation that the pain is equal to the we take care .. equals pain equals stop .. equals blood ...
and he feels he must get others to take care to stop the pain and blood type of command ...

someone gave him sympathy .. when he was hurt and unconscious ... and now he demands sympathy ,.. because he feels it will stop his pain ... or some weird computation

so you can heal this guy ... and .. right after you heal him ... he will recreate it again... because he believes he needs this problem to survive ...

so it is like a girl friend I once had ... her aunt was constantly in pain ,.. and constantly need others to feel sorrow for her .. take care of her .. doctors say she should be dead and don't know what is keeping her alive ...

so I see this and I see she is constantly in pain and the only thing that will solve it is to "STOP GIVING HER SYMPATHY" .. and "LET HER GO ... SO SHE CAN START A NEW LIFE AGAIN" .. .. and so everyone stopped giving her sympathy ... and she died .shortly after ...

what would you do .. KEEP HER ALIVE IN PAIN FOREVER ...TO FEED THIS FALSE MEMORY THAT GOT STUCK IN HER????

so that is why you don't put other peoples attention on your sickness ... because they keep feeding this memory circuit ... you get out and sit on the outside of the house and put your attention out far away from your body ... look into the stars and then look farther with your mind .. look in all directions and put your attention as far away from the body as you can ... and this will cause the PICTURE that is CAUSING THE PROBLEM .. to go farther away from your body .... and you just decide ... that this problem is gone .... just decide it with surety ... and get as much space and distance away from the body you can get ... so the picture loses its power ... then try to get the thought that created it ... when the effects of it is almost zero ... decide THAT thought is NOT TRUE ...
\
this is how I got rid of hay fever .... I got hay fever from falling out of a tree and landing on my face ... and broke my nose .. I later found a chiropractor who could look down my body with his spiritual eyes and he said, "by the way .. you broke your nose and it was not reset right ... you have hay fever don't you?"

be cause over your life .. and stop adding agreement to the sickness by talking about it ... just start telling everyone " I am healed" ...even if you are not ... and get all the agreement from anyone everywhere that YOU ARE HEALED ... and LET ... it happen

ok?

jim

Understood, Thanks Jim. I would love to hear your thoughts about a situation of being attacked routinely by bullies, where is it best to put our attention then? How can we be the 'cause over our life'? energetically speaking

jiminii
7th July 2013, 09:34
I dunno Rahkyt...If i request a demonstration of someone's abilities, and they comply, then I might view that as magnanimous as opposed to ego oriented.

I just don't think it's quite as complicated as some are making it out to be.

I'm simply curious(yes, and a little frustrated;))...and personally do not think my spiritual evolution will be set back in any way by witnessing a miraculous event in 3d.

I will tell you what it is going to take to heal you .... I have healed people before ... like my friend screaming on the floor with pain on her right side ... near intestine area ... I moved my hands near her side (never touched her) ... and can feel the ridge causing the pain .. suddenly the pain is gone and she says surprisingly "jim the pain is gone" ... something inside me felt this ... "cathy I have to move it to the middle" ..(I had no idea from this body I am in what was going to happen) .. I moved the hand closer to the middle of her stomach ... her body jerked and she said ,, "jim something moved inside me" ... I said, "I have to move it further ." .. I moved my hand more to the center again ... and she yelled ... "jim ...it moved again .... jim ... there is white lines coming from your fingers" ...

that night all this stuff comes out of her and whatever was wrong is gone ... now I have no idea WHY the I AM .. saw this and hinted to this body perception WHAT I SHOULD DO NEXT ....

but others I have healed ???.., ( and I don't have a habit of going around healing people ... I am not here to let others know who I am or what I can do ... because it was projected in me ... to keep myself hidden because it would jeopardize my mission ... )

you can heal people and it is gone ,. only for them to recreate it again ,... they are so USED to it .. that when it is gone ... THEY HAVE TO LOOK ... AND VALIDATE IT ... and then the whole healing is destroyed because the BEING WANTS IT THERE ... for some UNKNOWN REASON

I can give you an example ... a sympathy engram ... someone gets knocked out with a baseball and someone with sympathy ... says " oh there .. there ... we will take care of you ..." and another says ..."we need to stop the bleeding" ,. and all this is recorded when he is unconscious and all the words are recorded equal to each other equal to the baseball equal to the pain in the head ... and he gets some kind of calculation that the pain is equal to the we take care .. equals pain equals stop .. equals blood ...
and he feels he must get others to take care to stop the pain and blood type of command ...

someone gave him sympathy .. when he was hurt and unconscious ... and now he demands sympathy ,.. because he feels it will stop his pain ... or some weird computation

so you can heal this guy ... and .. right after you heal him ... he will recreate it again... because he believes he needs this problem to survive ...

so it is like a girl friend I once had ... her aunt was constantly in pain ,.. and constantly need others to feel sorrow for her .. take care of her .. doctors say she should be dead and don't know what is keeping her alive ...

so I see this and I see she is constantly in pain and the only thing that will solve it is to "STOP GIVING HER SYMPATHY" .. and "LET HER GO ... SO SHE CAN START A NEW LIFE AGAIN" .. .. and so everyone stopped giving her sympathy ... and she died .shortly after ...

what would you do .. KEEP HER ALIVE IN PAIN FOREVER ...TO FEED THIS FALSE MEMORY THAT GOT STUCK IN HER????

so that is why you don't put other peoples attention on your sickness ... because they keep feeding this memory circuit ... you get out and sit on the outside of the house and put your attention out far away from your body ... look into the stars and then look farther with your mind .. look in all directions and put your attention as far away from the body as you can ... and this will cause the PICTURE that is CAUSING THE PROBLEM .. to go farther away from your body .... and you just decide ... that this problem is gone .... just decide it with surety ... and get as much space and distance away from the body you can get ... so the picture loses its power ... then try to get the thought that created it ... when the effects of it is almost zero ... decide THAT thought is NOT TRUE ...
\
this is how I got rid of hay fever .... I got hay fever from falling out of a tree and landing on my face ... and broke my nose .. I later found a chiropractor who could look down my body with his spiritual eyes and he said, "by the way .. you broke your nose and it was not reset right ... you have hay fever don't you?"

be cause over your life .. and stop adding agreement to the sickness by talking about it ... just start telling everyone " I am healed" ...even if you are not ... and get all the agreement from anyone everywhere that YOU ARE HEALED ... and LET ... it happen

ok?

jim

Understood, Thanks Jim. I would love to hear your thoughts about a situation of being attacked routinely by bullies, where is it best to put our attention then? How can we be the 'cause over our life'? energetically speaking

well I can tell you how I did it with dogs ,. (doesn't matter size) ... they start attacking me .. on bicycle anything ,,, and immediately I start running to them ,.. screaming ... and it freaks them out every time ... it works for me ...

haven't run into any bullies .. like people that much ... but I guess if i did I would have to run at them like I did this bully in the navy ... and hit them like you do in an american football game ... and just keep pounding him in the face until someone drags me off him ... and he won't try it again ,.. his face is pulverized and even he tries to keep his threat ... and I growl back ... but that ends it ... he does it because he thinks he can get away with it ...

for people who attack me on internet ... I attack back ... HARD .. especially if they are attacking abilities ... because they ARE attacking the very things THEY once had and lost ... and attacking others will not solve it either ... it will only make it hard for them to obtain the abilities because they ARE trying to prevent you from USING your abilities by INVALIDATION and EVALUATION ... because they are afraid of it ... GET THEM TO CONFRONT WHAT AND WHO THEY ARE ... is better than allowing them to invalidate things that will get them out of this TRAP called prison planet ...

does this help?

jim

Limor Wolf
7th July 2013, 10:17
Yes, hearing what you have to say very much helps. There goes the love &light approach, But I am with you on that.
Now, we have a tangible problem with a government masquerading itself as bullies. I wonder if this approach is also applicable to them ~

music
7th July 2013, 11:53
I dunno Rahkyt...If i request a demonstration of someone's abilities, and they comply, then I might view that as magnanimous as opposed to ego oriented.

I just don't think it's quite as complicated as some are making it out to be.

I'm simply curious(yes, and a little frustrated;))...and personally do not think my spiritual evolution will be set back in any way by witnessing a miraculous event in 3d.

There was someone here who claimed to be able to influence the weather. Well, my wife and I, if we want good weather, we ask our four year old son to do it, and he hasn't failed yet. It's no biggie, the key is lack of ego involvement. We ask him to manifest good weather for community events only, not to satisfy our own wishes. Purity of intent.

These are the keys - lack of engagement of ego, and purity of intent.

Another key would be trust in yourself - in your own wisdom, and your own innate power. You are (as we all are) both an aspect of the all, and the all in its entirety.

The kicker here is though - when we become seated within our true power, then the desire to manifest magical change within this physical manifestation dissolves and becomes as insubstantial as the fabric we call "reality".

Now I wouldn't use the term "paranormal", because that kind of says that this distorted consensual reality we live in is normal (pause while I laugh), but, in asking for the paranormal, you will receive it in one way or another. My one and only piece of advice to you when you find it would be: face whatever you find with love, not fear.

There is magic in the world, but the people who most know this are most often the least inclined to talk about it.

Another1
7th July 2013, 11:58
This is the most polite conversation on this subject I've ever been witness to. Ya'all are good to meet. :)

~ another 2 cents
Aside from the fear mongers and propheteers, I know there are people who really can look forward and predict a potential future. But, the power of enough people knowing about it and saying, "No," inside can alter the predicted event.

Thus, to someone standing outside the circle, (perhaps even the profit their self) it appears that the prediction was wrong.

To me it's as simple as if your buddy tells you that your front tire looks a little bald. It could blow out on you. Now you can accept his prediction as gospel and just keep driving till it does, or you can get it fixed, change the course of the predicted future.

Sunny-side-up
7th July 2013, 13:19
this thread was inspired by a recent Jim thread ( thanks Jim;)) )where he espoused this belief that something vitally and cosmically important may have just occurred, and that something of equal importance may be occuring soon) and is intended as a tongue in cheek response. no disrespect intended, truly - while my position is rather serious, the intent here is to provide a little levity.

there must be dozens upon dozens of these types of threads on Avalon. they generally go something like this:
"i'm feeling really strange lately, feeling as if something big might happen. can you guys feel that? are you tuned into the static? it's like the calm before the storm, isn't it? i'm not sure what it is exactly, but it feels like it's on it's way soon..." etc etc:)

said poster usually will offer physical, mental and perhaps metaphysical symptoms they are experiencing, in an attempt to fortify the huge leap in logic they are making (you're getting the ear buzzing too? well the world must be ending then!) the thread will usually go 4-5 pages at least, with members inevitably lining up to announce that they too are in tune with the apocalyptic vibes.

and then of course nothing happens.

our psychic track record is abominable, lets face it:) I get no joy out of saying that, but it's true.

so here's my plea: Avalonians, please stop pretending you're psychic, unless of course you are willing to demonstrate said abilities in a youtube video or something. speaking of which, you ever notice how weird and uptight everyone gets when someone is asked to demonstrate their abilities? it's as if we've all agreed to dedicate ourselves to this fictional paranormal fantasy, and damn you objective inquisitor for ruining our dream with your logical questions!;) that's the sort of feeling I get about it all. and this isn't a passive-aggressive shot at Jim either - i'm talking about the entire forum here.

Can you feel that Avalonians? well, can you? Good, cuz I can't either....

Chinaski just as an example here is the beginning of my path into knowing first hand that what your asking happens in many ways!
I don't know what you actually have tried or experienced your self, my example might seem weak to you in your expectancy of greater things!

First You need to try to be on the Surf-Board that is Riding-the-Wave and not the observer one just bobbing around in Undefined wave energies!

Easer said then done though ha?

Well no just it's easy, just tune in. You can speedup the process with exercises and Mental-Acceptance!
Questions:
Do you believe in cosmic energy?
Do you believe you can with breathing and meditation tap into those cosmic energies! And gain stronger and or tune into more energies?
Have you explored/observed your own energies using your hands?
Have you explored /observed other peoples energies using your hands?
Have you explored /observed energies from beings like trees? The ground!
It's all-around us! It is us!

If you do the above often you realise you can effect other peoples energies for the good (and bad, I.E Vampire their energies for your self, bad)

I have in the past sampled other peoples energies (with consent). I have held a sample of their energies in my hands, then transfer it to my minds-eye/physic-hands. I know you can then effect (Healing) their body/energies from a distance. I know I can move around someone and find negative energies and so work on them directly and or just by merging, cause a healing effect!

One example: I have gotten someone into a calm closed eyed state then asked them to talk of their pains (I.E they might say well, erm, got a hot pain in my shoulder!) As he gave me that it took the pain into my held sample, and in real time I instantly formed freezing cold needles into his shoulder, which he instantly gave a Big-Relief-Sigh and said 'Ho-Cold-Pins-and-Needles , Nice!
(Back when I used to do this I always had good Intent but added a clause in my effects, I.E wasn't sure if was good at the time so I would Indented it not to be permanent, so no knock on bad effects from me after!)

I do this by Intent! Call it belief if you like but it's not really needed to cause a good effect. Intent is the key!

Think on this when you shake hands with some one! (your sampling their energy and giving yours openly)

I say 'have in the past sampled other peoples energies' nowadays I just believe I'm putting out healing energies with Intent to ALL!

I know I have felt new energies recently, Personally it might just be another brick in the wall, piece of the puzzle etc. I can fell a building of energies, something is happening/forming? a new era. But a new era we can tap into and even bring-on with Intent! as we have been doing!

RunningDeer
7th July 2013, 13:36
Can it be as simple as those grounded in the 3D, the ones that change lives in concrete ways, have contracted to not get pulled from their mission? The synchronicites or whatever you want to call them will happen after the first phase of their mission is complete.

For whatever reason, I’ve learned that some material is not for me to hold. I’ll read, reread, read slower, run my finger over the sentence. For videos, I pause and type out, or rewind and listen to again, or revisit. My mind goes blank or experience physical sensation like “Nooooo”, tingles, heart palps, etc.

We live the loosely designed contract. Free choice fills in the blanks for dimension(s) that we, the designers, create.

*penumbra
7th July 2013, 13:48
I can't help but share this with you because it addresses the very subject you discuss. I wrote this back in 1986:

The Major Happening – Are We Ready?
By Kathlena F. Mailloux

What is this essence in the air?
A hovering shadow always there,
Ready to pounce as if it would absorb,
The very centre of our orb.
And if this happened unaware,
~ Would we be ready?

What if the major happening displays,
And we caught up in every days,
Blinded; cannot see the great occurance?
Mundanely living with false assurance;
~ Would we be ready?

Awaiting the omniscient clock to chime,
A reminder of the “Grand Ball” – in due time,
And the day is never within our sight,
So we miss each minute awaiting midnight,
And if by fluke the clock did strike,
~ Would we be ready?

It’s the everydays, in my conclusion,
The here and now and not delusion,
That are the real major happenings,
Not the imaginary final endings;
A vague and disturbing illusion.
~ Would we be ready?

I don’t want to miss the steps to the dance
To get to the magnetic shadowy stance,
Waiting for me at the stroke of midnight.
I must dance each step with delight,
When the waltz is over I can turn and glance…
~ For then I would be ready.

RMorgan
7th July 2013, 14:20
Chinaski,

I´m with you, mate.

Like Carl Sagan used to say, Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Even Jesus himself, for those who believe he could do what the Bible says he could, had to show off his powers a bunch of times to convince people he was the real deal.

On the other hand, since I started talking about Jesus, there´s a lot of people on mental hospitals around the world believing to be Jesus as well...Good people, but suffering from dysfunctional insanity.

So, ultimately, if Jesus himself came down here today, claiming to be who he is, the only way he could set himself apart from all the crazies would be by making some quite extraordinary miracles, like he allegedly did back in the days.

Talking and claiming is simply too easy, but when it comes down to walking the talk, most people miserably fail.

There´s a huge difference between believing you can do certain things and actually being able to do these things, but since most people already live in their fantasy world, just believing is enough for them.

Personally, I have no problem with people who make big claims about their paranormal skills and things like that, as long as they are not harming nor exploiting anyone in the process, physically, psychologically or spiritually.

However, I have to say that most part of these people are just talkers...Just check out James Randy´s challenge; The man is offering up to a million dollars to anyone who´s able to prove their paranormal skills under rigorously controlled scientific experimental conditions, and no one was up to the challenge so far.

Anyway, this phenomenon is not exclusive to the paranormal realm...I used to be a professional musician in the past and, frankly, I can´t even remember how many times I was disappointed while making auditions. I would be a billionaire if one tenth of all musicians I have ever interviewed and auditioned could live up to their claims.

As as I said before in this forum, if you claim to be superman, it should be fairly easy to prove it...but if you´re claiming and when it comes down to prove it, instead of simply doing your magic, you go and make up a billion excuses about how you don´t need to prove it to anyone, then what should really be questioned is the reason for claiming it, because at the moment you claim it you are already trying to prove something to someone else in the first place.

Anyway, about these "Something big is about to happen, I can feel it" threads, there are dozens of them around here. None of us is immune to such sorts of paranoid small scale panic attacks (choosing to spread them is another thing, though). Even Bill has a thread like that, regarding some sort of coastal event, which I believe to be around one year old by now.

Cheers,

Raf.

Ps: Big fan of Bukowski here as well.

RunningDeer
7th July 2013, 14:31
I can't help but share this with you because it addresses the very subject you discuss. I wrote this back in 1986:

The Major Happening – Are We Ready?
By Kathlena F. Mailloux

What is this essence in the air?
A hovering shadow always there,
Ready to pounce as if it would absorb,
The very centre of our orb.
And if this happened unaware,
~ Would we be ready?

What if the major happening displays,
And we caught up in every days,
Blinded; cannot see the great occurance?
Mundanely living with false assurance;
~ Would we be ready?

Awaiting the omniscient clock to chime,
A reminder of the “Grand Ball” – in due time,
And the day is never within our sight,
So we miss each minute awaiting midnight,
And if by fluke the clock did strike,
~ Would we be ready?

It’s the everydays, in my conclusion,
The here and now and not delusion,
That are the real major happenings,
Not the imaginary final endings;
A vague and disturbing illusion.
~ Would we be ready?

I don’t want to miss the steps to the dance
To get to the magnetic shadowy stance,
Waiting for me at the stroke of midnight.
I must dance each step with delight,
When the waltz is over I can turn and glance…
~ For then I would be ready.

Sweet. Thank you, *penumbra.

And welcome to Avalon. This post may be the one that moves you from provisional member to full-on Avalonian. Sweet, again. :wave:

RunningDeer
7th July 2013, 14:51
The sublime is welcomed. I am grateful for it’s opportunity. And there’s no “X” on the calendar. Cuz, I’d step off the foot path.

Too, when I look for the big, I miss the on-going small. This is one area that I’m happy to have low expectation, and time on my side. Look back one month, she’s gone.

Ernie Nemeth
7th July 2013, 15:42
Oh you doubting Thomases. Oh ye of little faith. This is one area you will not get the proof you want - but - you might get the proof you need. I'd say careful what you wish for.

There is no need to prove anything, this is not science, it does not hold to the scientific method, which is manmade. You decide when you are ready to experience the miracle, but you might not know it consciously.

I've busted clouds, sure, that's child's play. I've read minds, too. But my favorite is planting seeds that grow and grow... The other thing is appealing to a person's higher self, in direct contact with their mundane self, and watch the miracle happen.

But miracles, most often, are not stupid magic tricks. You might not be able to make the Eifel Tower disappear, but you can turn a from upside down, mend an estranged relationship, heal an illness. That is the miracle. Not making a rabbit appear in a hat. Get it? So, since the miracle happens to living beings to give them a glimpse of reality in their make-believe world, it is a moment borrowed from time that contracts the need for time at all. The miracle is a correction in perception, if only for a second, when the perceiver remembers something very important and the remembering removes them from the grip of time.

Since you and many others here are asking for proof, you must be ready, or very close. You have asked for the miracle to present itself to you. You cannot be turned down. You will get your proof, stay attuned. And those here with the true knowledge, with "the goods", I ask that you show our brothers and sisters what they want to see.

It will be personal, so don't think you will be the first person to actually document a miracle in some sort of dispassionate science-like endeavor. Science kills the miracle because they look at reality in different terms. Actually diametrically apposed, really. Science begins with the premise: "What if God doesn't exist?", the miracle makes no assumptions - it simply knows.

I will pray for you, that you may experience the wonder of creation, of reality, in the form of a miracle, so that you can know, like some of us here already know, that God, the Essence, The Creator, The Field, is very much real and that that field Loves with a Love infinite in patience and understanding.

The miracle is a blessing. May you be blessed.

jiminii
7th July 2013, 16:02
Yes, hearing what you have to say very much helps. There goes the love &light approach, But I am with you on that.
Now, we have a tangible problem with a government masquerading itself as bullies. I wonder if this approach is also applicable to them ~

they are knife in the back type people ... tone level is covert hostility ... which is in between fear and anger
anger they attack ..
fear they are afraid to attack
covert hostility is pretending to be your friend while they covertly try to knife you in the back

how to handle covert hostility is with anger the next level up but that level ??? they will use that as a justification to send their armies down on you

so how do you beat them ...????

postulates are senior to all physical universe mechanics ... that means ALL ...
you have to raise yourself up to the ability to have your thoughts senior to theirs ...

that is tone 30 ... that is like 10 above ACTION ... someone highly tuned in with the physical universe .. is in action like BRUCE LEE ..
or that type ...

not a lot of people in this tone range .. able to put their thoughts up that strong ...

but the amazing things about thoughts is ... the bigger they are the more easy they are to do ...

it is easier to manage a hurricane (with practice of weather) .. then it is to get a job .. (too close and personal)

no one believes they can change weather ... so there is NO EFFORT COUNTER EFFORT ...

they put out the thought and it happens .. and immediately they deny ... will invalidate themselves .. saying "eh it was going to happen anyway"

so how do we get people up to remind them of what they were before they came to this planet ... up there making planets and life forms and suns as their jobs

stop rain between 2 lights .... ???? 2 traffic signals .. a block a part ??? boy if I could give everyone an accident like that which would prove to them they did it their selves with out any doubts and turn on all their powers ... I would have been able to finish my mission quickly

so don't believe .. it is not necessary ... JUST TRY ... at LEAST TRY ....

TRY WITH SOMETHING BIG ....

now we got the last postulate I started going ... you can see the governments are being attacked by every side ... if you look at my past threads .. you will see that was my postulate ...to pull down the cabal by christmas ... ... so we have got them a bit scared .. attacks everywhere

so those who helped with this thought take a win ... it is already started ... take a win that you are at LEAST a CO-CREATOR of that postulate

now we have to take it to the next step .. next postulate is to have all the black hats replaced by white hats ...

we need to SEE REPLACEMENTS .... in the governments around the world and take it as far as this galaxy ... make it as BIG as you can ... MORE POWER is contributed to the game ...

BY WHO ??? by the other 80 percent of this galaxy that WANTS IT TOO ...

so decide that subconsciously we are in contact with the 80 percent of this galaxy that are white hats and we have agreement with them to REPLACE THE BLACK HATS WITH WHITE HATS ..

now keep playing this and lay down in bed and take your imaginations to extreme ... try to get visio and audio of it .. try to get it in as much a REAL perception as you can ... and more and more .. and more .. until the energy is so HIGH you can almost feel the actions going on in the physical universe

Decide you are conquering ALL OF IT ... with the WHITE HATS you've contacted subconsciously ... and NOTHING IS STOPPING YOU ... and HOLD YOUR SPACE AND VIEWPOINT THROUGH OUT THE WEEKS .. UNTIL YOU CAN SEE IT APPEARING IN THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE.

then TAKE A WIN ... at least you are part creator ...

you might have heart disease ... and all these ailments ... but IT IS JUST POSSIBLE that YOU MIGHT BE THE ONLY ONE ... that was able to do this ... and YOU DIDN"T KNOW IT ... and YOU DIDN'T TRY ...instead of complaining about all this stuff ... we can discuss all this stuff .. find out what is going on ... and instead of complaining ... we work out how to postulate its outcome ... .. we become CAUSE OVER IT

it is like being children .... you can't believe how powerful children would be ... if we let them BELIEVE in the impossible instead of forcing this reality down their throats ...

jim

Mike
7th July 2013, 16:44
My friend, I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've been sent "healing energy", or variations thereof, from huge hearted and well-meaning members here...and nothing has ever happened as a result.

For all those who have offered me their assistance, I've got nothing but love for ya, and I mean absolutely no disrespect.

Hey, if you guys wanna heal me I won' t stop you, ha! I am biased, obviously, but I do think it would be a wonderful conclusion to the thread!

Yes well that is not the same.

I actually said how about we heal you, I did not say, how about we try to heal you. If you would not mind, please read it again, but with that in mind.

Well you sound confident mate, but if you're trying to elicit confidence in me to somehow activate the placebo principle...it won't work;)

I know how this is going to make me sound, but I'm going to say it anyway: very early in my illness it was very clear to me that I was way beyond conventional medicine - it could offer me nothing. And in many ways, "alternative" therapies, like herbs and so forth, didn't even make a dent. Deathbed cures from various world renown healers had little to no effect...so you can imagine my despair, especially since those around me thought I was suffering from "anxiety" and had no clue as to the true nature of my problem. I was vastly.misunderstood. i was vindicated years later when I got a proper diagnosis from a Dr Sarah Myhill (genius)...but by then too much time had passed and the damage had been done.

I'm beginning to think I'm beyond conventional spirituality too...and "alternative" spirituality. I am so far down the rabbit hole that the only thing keeping me company these days are my own echoes. I've done loads of research, and though I've brought myself back from the brink to a state of relative good health, I've never even read of cases that were as bad as mine. That frightens me. And this is how I've grown to think of myself, as a great explorer who has discovered some extraordinary land from which he can never return to give his knowledge/ experience to the world: but the name of this land is hell.

So you see, during the light years it may take for healing energy and loving thoughts and prayers to reach me in the depths of that rabbit hole, I am only getting worse. I won't discourage you from trying to help me of course, and appreciate your interest, but I feel I must warn you: this isn't your conventional case mate. You may want to let this one go...after all, I wouldn't want to ruin your reputation as a healer.;)

gripreaper
7th July 2013, 16:57
Anyway, about these "Something big is about to happen, I can feel it" threads, there are dozens of them around here.

Yea, I heard that too. The Dinar is going to RV really soon, the global settlements are going to go out and the wealth of the planet is going to be re-distributed amongst all of us, all debt will disappear, NESARA will be implemented, the elite cabal will be arrested and put on trial in their own tribunals, there will be a pole shift, Nibiru will fly by, a global coastal event will occur, a nuclear submarine planted in the ground in front of the National Monument, ET's landing their craft and walking amongst us, free energy released, a mothership joyride from your home in a limousine, and ascending fifth dimensional consciousness for all, which can be verified through Wujo's, channeling, feelings, extraterrestrial encounters, and internal fellowship with your higher self.

Come on guys, give Chinaski a break. 99% of the "woo-woo" new age stuff is crap, and rarely, if ever, do we see anyone demonstrate their psychic abilities, either of the lower Siddhis of claireaudience, clairesentience, or clairevoyance, much less the higher Siddhis of bi-location, levitation and manifesting with just a thought.

Who amongst us, besides Jim :), carries this much pure energy within the heart and can manifest phenomenon in an instant?

Mike
7th July 2013, 17:05
Thanks for the burst of sanity Reap. It was like a spiritual sigh of relief.;)

WhiteFeather
7th July 2013, 17:06
Peace
Your Fine Feathered Friend.....W.f.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iub0DM5_FGg

Mike
7th July 2013, 17:23
So many good posts here, and this is the problem with starting a thread: you feel this neurotic compulsion to respond to each n every post...and if you don't you go to bed feeling guilty. Looking back I've noticed I've missed some good posts by Reilly and Christian, and people like Dennis and Raf and Music and others are already brilliantly adding to the melange. I'm gonna try and respond to everybody...

Raf, I wish you would have left that post earlier: say, right after my original one - we could have all wrapped it up n called it a day right then n there man!;). Your sanity was a welcome tonic. I particularly liked the bit about the hypocritical nature of those claiming requesting proof is egocentric...even while they're bragging about their ability to do this n that. The irony is striking, and it's a wonder I've missed it, ha!

And yes, the Amazing Randy and his proposition! Interesting, isn't it? I recall hearing about this years ago. A million bucks , eh? Whew, that silence is deafening, ain't it?

In defense of someone like Bill, who said something about the coast a while back...I can appreciate the predicament he's in, because if he goes out on a limb and makes a prediction, he leaves himself open to ridicule; but if he elects against it and that feeling turns out to be true, he has his conscience to deal with. So it's kind of a lose-lose.

Limor Wolf
7th July 2013, 17:38
Yes, hearing what you have to say very much helps. There goes the love &light approach, But I am with you on that.
Now, we have a tangible problem with a government masquerading itself as bullies. I wonder if this approach is also applicable to them ~

they are knife in the back type people ... tone level is covert hostility ... which is in between fear and anger
anger they attack ..
fear they are afraid to attack
covert hostility is pretending to be your friend while they covertly try to knife you in the back

how to handle covert hostility is with anger the next level up but that level ??? they will use that as a justification to send their armies down on you

so how do you beat them ...????

postulates are senior to all physical universe mechanics ... that means ALL ...
you have to raise yourself up to the ability to have your thoughts senior to theirs ...

that is tone 30 ... that is like 10 above ACTION ... someone highly tuned in with the physical universe .. is in action like BRUCE LEE ..
or that type ...

not a lot of people in this tone range .. able to put their thoughts up that strong ...

but the amazing things about thoughts is ... the bigger they are the more easy they are to do ...

it is easier to manage a hurricane (with practice of weather) .. then it is to get a job .. (too close and personal)

no one believes they can change weather ... so there is NO EFFORT COUNTER EFFORT ...

they put out the thought and it happens .. and immediately they deny ... will invalidate themselves .. saying "eh it was going to happen anyway"

so how do we get people up to remind them of what they were before they came to this planet ... up there making planets and life forms and suns as their jobs

stop rain between 2 lights .... ???? 2 traffic signals .. a block a part ??? boy if I could give everyone an accident like that which would prove to them they did it their selves with out any doubts and turn on all their powers ... I would have been able to finish my mission quickly

so don't believe .. it is not necessary ... JUST TRY ... at LEAST TRY ....

TRY WITH SOMETHING BIG ....

now we got the last postulate I started going ... you can see the governments are being attacked by every side ... if you look at my past threads .. you will see that was my postulate ...to pull down the cabal by christmas ... ... so we have got them a bit scared .. attacks everywhere

so those who helped with this thought take a win ... it is already started ... take a win that you are at LEAST a CO-CREATOR of that postulate

now we have to take it to the next step .. next postulate is to have all the black hats replaced by white hats ...

we need to SEE REPLACEMENTS .... in the governments around the world and take it as far as this galaxy ... make it as BIG as you can ... MORE POWER is contributed to the game ...

BY WHO ??? by the other 80 percent of this galaxy that WANTS IT TOO ...

so decide that subconsciously we are in contact with the 80 percent of this galaxy that are white hats and we have agreement with them to REPLACE THE BLACK HATS WITH WHITE HATS ..

now keep playing this and lay down in bed and take your imaginations to extreme ... try to get visio and audio of it .. try to get it in as much a REAL perception as you can ... and more and more .. and more .. until the energy is so HIGH you can almost feel the actions going on in the physical universe

Decide you are conquering ALL OF IT ... with the WHITE HATS you've contacted subconsciously ... and NOTHING IS STOPPING YOU ... and HOLD YOUR SPACE AND VIEWPOINT THROUGH OUT THE WEEKS .. UNTIL YOU CAN SEE IT APPEARING IN THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE.

then TAKE A WIN ... at least you are part creator ...

you might have heart disease ... and all these ailments ... but IT IS JUST POSSIBLE that YOU MIGHT BE THE ONLY ONE ... that was able to do this ... and YOU DIDN"T KNOW IT ... and YOU DIDN'T TRY ...instead of complaining about all this stuff ... we can discuss all this stuff .. find out what is going on ... and instead of complaining ... we work out how to postulate its outcome ... .. we become CAUSE OVER IT

it is like being children .... you can't believe how powerful children would be ... if we let them BELIEVE in the impossible instead of forcing this reality down their throats ...

jim
I believe you. I see how I can play with it forward.
Hopefully we can meet one day with this mutual effort (creation, that is).

Thank you, jim

jiminii
7th July 2013, 17:51
So many good posts here, and this is the problem with starting a thread: you feel this neurotic compulsion to respond to each n every post...and if you don't you go to bed feeling guilty. Looking back I've noticed I've missed some good posts by Reilly and Christian, and people like Dennis and Raf and Music and others are already brilliantly adding to the melange. I'm gonna try and respond to everybody...

Raf, I wish you would have left that post earlier: say, right after my original one - we could have all wrapped it up n called it a day right then n there man!;). Your sanity was a welcome tonic. I particularly liked the bit about the hypocritical nature of those claiming requesting proof is egocentric...even while they're bragging about their ability to do this n that. The irony is striking, and it's a wonder I've missed it, ha!

And yes, the Amazing Randy and his proposition! Interesting, isn't it? I recall hearing about this years ago. A million bucks , eh? Whew, that silence is deafening, ain't it?

In defense of someone like Bill, who said something about the coast a while back...I can appreciate the predicament he's in, because if he goes out on a limb and makes a prediction, he leaves himself open to ridicule; but if he elects against it and that feeling turns out to be true, he has his conscience to deal with. So it's kind of a lose-lose.

ok we're going to try this ,... if you are willing .... put your hand on your heart ,... and close your eyes ... and look down from your mind and see your hand from inside .... .. and i will contact from here .. .. let me know when you will start this ,.. and try to see your hand from inside ... for about 5 minutes ... ok ... then we will do this from you to the heart to the hand to me and back OK ...

you want to try this /???

jim

Mike
7th July 2013, 17:58
Dennis, thanks for the honesty brother ....though I fear some ambitious digger will return from that thread you started with an enthusiastic quote from me, saying: yes! I've got the ear buzzing too! I feel it brothers n sisters! I do! I do!:wink:

Funny: I've had one spot on precog event as well. It was a world cup match, and I *knew* the US would score. And the ball was nowhere near the opponents net - infact, our goalkeeper had possession of it, so I had no rational reason to think we'd get a goal. Right after the keeper released the ball to our defender, I stood up, raised my arm in victory, and began celebrating a good 40 seconds before the fact. Ironically it didn't even really surprise me; I just recall wishing it would happen more often;)

DeDukshyn
7th July 2013, 18:00
...
I'm beginning to think I'm beyond conventional spirituality too...and "alternative" spirituality. I am so far down the rabbit hole that the only thing keeping me company these days are my own echoes. ...

"True discovery lies not in finding new lands, but seeing with new eyes" - Marcel Proust

Mike
7th July 2013, 18:01
OK Jim...I'm starting right now.

You ready?

jiminii
7th July 2013, 18:04
Dennis, thanks for the honesty brother ....though I fear some ambitious digger will return from that thread you started with an enthusiastic quote from me, saying: yes! I've got the ear buzzing too! I feel it brothers n sisters! I do! I do!:wink:

Funny: I've had one spot on precog event as well. It was a world cup match, and I *knew* the US would score. And the ball was nowhere near the opponents net - infact, our goalkeeper had possession of it, so I had no rational reason to think we'd get a goal. Right after the keeper released the ball to our defender, I stood up, raised my arm in victory, and began celebrating a good 40 seconds before the fact. Ironically it didn't even really surprise me; I just recall wishing it would happen more often;)

I can see you're not interested ... so I am going to sleep

jim

Mike
7th July 2013, 18:05
Dennis, thanks for the honesty brother ....though I fear some ambitious digger will return from that thread you started with an enthusiastic quote from me, saying: yes! I've got the ear buzzing too! I feel it brothers n sisters! I do! I do!:wink:

Funny: I've had one spot on precog event as well. It was a world cup match, and I *knew* the US would score. And the ball was nowhere near the opponents net - infact, our goalkeeper had possession of it, so I had no rational reason to think we'd get a goal. Right after the keeper released the ball to our defender, I stood up, raised my arm in victory, and began celebrating a good 40 seconds before the fact. Ironically it didn't even really surprise me; I just recall wishing it would happen more often;)

I can see you're not interested ... so I am going to sleep

jim


Ready when you are mate. Anytime.

Let's do it.

Mike
7th July 2013, 18:10
Oh boy, I think we've lost Jim;)

Orph
7th July 2013, 18:12
Nahhh. He's in asia somewhere, so his time schedule is about 180 out from yours.

Mike
7th July 2013, 18:20
Shall I be more direct?

Warp your mind and viewpoint/filter, as the package you are carrying now is not cognating the greater space. It is not a fault, it is the same for everyone. You will find the answer you need when the need is great enough. Until then some part of you will remain stubbornly outside of change.


Could it be just that? Ie one wanting to have psychic or spiritual phenomena without actual "need-to-know/experience"? Resulting in mind and the senses running on idle and once a bit is felt, expectation quantifies it? I was just thinking on similar lines as Chinaski some days ago about situations where I have hoped for to exist a spiritual dimension(resulting in feeling something about perhaps something going on and nodding to others:"I can feel it too(maybe)") versus occasions where I have needed a spiritual experience and it has occurred unmistakeably, leaving no room for ambiguity, whether I felt like having it or not.

I really hope no-one is offended, but perhaps at times some spiritual feelings are just wishful thinking or flatulence. I have had my small share of spiritual experiences and know of their absolute reality, so I really am not dissing anything catecorigally.


UT

Thanks for this...

Yes, its that ambiguity, that we often cloak in what I call cosmic double-speak, that often drives me mad.

I've no doubt spiritualism (for lack of a better word) can be subtle...but it can also overtly affect 3d reality....and I wanna see it happen!;)

naste.de.lumina
7th July 2013, 18:22
Chi Kung Healing in Chinese Hospital - Medium

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Mike
7th July 2013, 18:31
I've have read that spiritual masters, or 'those who would know' say that the path of spiritual enlightenment spawns a myriad of spiritual/psychic powers that should be more or less ignored, as they are just a 'side-effect' of spiritual development. It is easy to become ego-identified with these powers and get side-tracked from your actual goal.

I spend a lot of time on another forum, and those "can you feel it?" threads pop up a couple times a month.

After a while I start to think that maybe it was just a burp in the Force that some people pick up on. And some (like me) don't.

I still believe that the greatest gift we can offer others is compassion and a silent acknowledgement of the difficulty and pain often inherent in an earth incarntion.

I cannot ignore the amount of suffering on this planet and the fact that, of all the people trying to alleviate it through thought and conciousness raising, (with the best of intentions)it is still with us.

Chinaski has dealt with a severe heart problem which has (probably) greatly affected his life experience and conciousness. The last thing a person who is going through a trauma or life-changing experience needs is a lecture on 'personal responsibility'.

Compassion and connection are healing.

Because, let's face it, none of us here (except Jimini) (heh heh) know what's really going on here, in this reality we find ourselves in every day. Even those who have had extraordinary experiences have to get up and go to work, deal with bills, car repairs, relationships, pain, grief and trauma, illness, loss, and the myriad of other experiences that make up a human life.

I was heavily involved in 'new-age' thinking when i was living in sedona, arizona for many years. (the new-age mecca of america!) Living there was a sobering lesson in discernment.

It is easy to say we create our own reality. It is easy to tell another that their suffering is their own creation, and they can stop it. It's easy to Say anything. Words are cheap :)

I have found that some people who embrace new-age thinking (and i'm not thinking of anyone on this forum, but of some people that I know) are actually afraid of the darker side of life. You can't walk a spiritual path very long without confronting the amount of suffering on this planet. (Not just human - I do animal rescue - and I could tell you some stories.)

I have come to the conclusion that all suffering deserves compassion. You can always lecture someone when they are on their feet again:)

I have also come to the conclusion that we are all living in our own tiny (sometimes really weird) universes. When we 'connect' it's through the heart chakra, not the mind.

"You create your own reality" "We are all one" These are advanced spiritual truisms and cannot truly be understood at the freshman, intermediate levels. Life, reality, conciousness, spirituality, are complex and multi-layered, unpredictable, uplifting, scary, gratifying, destroying....much bigger than any one person can wrap up in a package and claim to be an authority on.

We would all love to see a paradigm shift, an end to suffering, an ascendtion to a new level of being ( and i'm perfectly willing to give jimini all the credit should it happen :) ) Meanwhile, we wake up in this world everyday and must learn to deal with it, and grow, despite its hardships.

And be a support to one another.

Hi Judymoon,

This was a joy to read, from top to bottom.

And many of these "masters" with paranormal abilities aren't necessarily what we would call spiritually evolved, are they? I s'pose I should track one down then - I don't think their ego would get in the way of making a tree appear in a barren field, or, say, causing one of our politicians to tell the truth about 911;)

"All suffering deserves compassion. You can lecture someone when they get on their feet again". Great quote. I may embroider it on my forehead...backwards of course so I could read it in the mirror...OK, now I'm rambling....

Mike
7th July 2013, 18:39
SunnySideUp, I've got your name burned into the roladex of my mind, my friend.

Your abilities interest me. I'll likely pm you (if you don't mind)

Bubu
7th July 2013, 18:45
Why the discussion about proving someones ability when it is clear that it's no use to us whether true or not. it's funny how people can be swift by the current to uselessness, even those regarded with superior reasoning power, simply because they forget to ask the most basic question, "is it useful or not"?

I'm with another1" He can politely troll us 24/7.

I'd rather dwell on the spy cam. Short post extremely useful. Thanks Paula

RUSirius
7th July 2013, 18:55
It took me a while to catch up, I'll step out in a short limb, hope this is still seen as relevant to the conversation. I have never claimed to have any abilities outside the really normal boring ones and not much of those either. This "feeling" thing is something I do experience, however all it is, is an awareness of a change, it may or may not even be an external change or internal for that matter, I cannot identify it, I just go through it, not only do I notice the change myself, those who are close to me will also tell me I've changed and sometimes to me at least, it doesn't always mean for the better, especially initially. I go through some sort of a system shock at first this is clear to me. What this change is does have my interest peaked, because a perception change in reality does occur. For all I know, this may be something most humans go through, some just "feel" it and some do not, or not, don't know. I just know what I experience, and I'm not even that big on feelings, I do my best to stay with my mind, I am an emotional person, I just try not to let emotion make the decisions. FWIW.
Jeff

Mike
7th July 2013, 18:56
Why the discussion about proving someones ability when it is clear that it's no use to us whether true or not. it's funny how people can be swift by the current to uselessness, even those regarded with superior reasoning power, simply because they forget to ask the most basic question, "is it useful or not"?

I'm with another1" He can politely troll us 24/7.



I'd rather dwell on the spy cam. Short post extremely useful. Thanks Paula


Its useful to me;)

With respect, I don't care if its useful to anyone else.

Happy spy cam dwelling!

4Talismans
7th July 2013, 18:59
Sometimes at a soul level we choose all kinds of things that are not particularly pleasant. Being sick is one of these. If we have chosen something like this at a soul level, it is probably because there is some lesson we need to learn from it, or perhaps it is karma catching up with us. Whatever the reason, honor it. Remember that You are not your illness. And as Judymoon so eloquently said, practice compassion. Sometimes the last person we will give compassion to is ourselves.
When I find it hard to be compassionate to myself, I will sometimes meditate and visualize the 6 year old me. It's not very hard to give her compassion. :)
If healing is to come it will come when the soul is ready.

Mike
7th July 2013, 19:17
Sometimes at a soul level we choose all kinds of things that are not particularly pleasant. Being sick is one of these. If we have chosen something like this at a soul level, it is probably because there is some lesson we need to learn from it, or perhaps it is karma catching up with us. Whatever the reason, honor it. Remember that You are not your illness. And as Judymoon so eloquently said, practice compassion. Sometimes the last person we will give compassion to is ourselves.
When I find it hard to be compassionate to myself, I will sometimes meditate and visualize the 6 year old me. It's not very hard to give her compassion. :)
If healing is to come it will come when the soul is ready.


Perhaps I have chosen this at a soul level; I've considered it. But what if I haven't? What if I've jjust lived an irresponsible life? What if I'm simply paying the price of basic cause n effect, living a miserable existence as an indifferent God looks the other way? What if I'm just f#cked?;)

I really liked what you said about compassion, as it was something I really needed to hear. Im not very gentle with myself. In fact, the one psychic I saw that was relatively accurate claimed my biggest problem was self-hate. And you know what? I secretly feel she's right!

I must say though: if you're lying on a bed, unable to move, breath properly or talk...you pretty much are your illness and nothing else. Sure, you could tell me i'm my spirit and so forth, but it wouldnt be much of a consolation prize. What if you're too weak to even practice intent or compassion? What then?

I hope you don't think I'm taking you to task here....just thinking out loud.

Thanks for the contribution!

eaglespirit
7th July 2013, 19:19
What If You Just Change...Everything!

onawah
7th July 2013, 19:29
You cannot separate yourself, your predilections, your karma, your attitude in the moment as to whether you are open or closed to allowing, your feelings about the being you are connecting with (or not connecting with) from whom you hope to see a manifestation of power, and a myriad of other factors--from the manifestation of what you call a paranormal event.
What you will experience is as much the result of your inner state as it is what the manifestation itself will be.

For example, let us say a group of people go out to star gaze to see if they can spot a UFO or have some kind of Contact.
Suppose a UFO shows up and almost everyone has visual Contact.
So by that, we can surmise that the UFO is actually there, even though a few say they see nothing.
Next, some of the people in the group say they are having telepathic Contact with beings in the UFO.
Some see a light on the ground close by which they say is emitting a loving, healing energy.
Some hear a high pitched sound that seems to be coming from the light.
Some of the people in the group are having no telepathic contact, see no light on the ground, feel no energy, hear no sound, but they do see the UFO, and they can feel the genuine emotion coming from the others in the group, and they get a kind of contact high, which makes them want to find out what the others are doing that is giving them access to a deeper experience, and this deepens their faith, passion and enthusiasm for what may still lie ahead for them.
Some think the others in the group are all delusional or are simply pretending.
For the people who are experiencing less connection, the answer may be that they don't have a particular affinity for the ETs in the UFO that has appeared.
Or it may be that they are just too closed on an unconscious level to allow themselves to have that connection.

This kind of thing happens a lot with Contact and other kinds of spiritual groups.
Sometimes people have to "shop around" before they find something they have the right kind of affinity with.


This example is not meant to force anyone into a mode of judging and comparing selves to others, but just to demonstrate that some people have developed more ESP than others, though ESP can be developed by anyone who really wants it and is willing to look for the right situation for them personally in which to develop.

Rahkyt makes some good points, but there is no harm in having the desire to have an expanded reality; not because we want to control others, or to develop powers, but just to experience more who we really are, and the wonder and Oneness of the All, which is our natural birthright.
In most cases, it's our negative programming about limitation from long rounds of incarnations in 3D that closes us off to these kinds of experiences.
It can take a lot of time and effort to release that programming, but it can be done if one is persevering enough.

Demonstrations of expanded abilities from others will not necessarily help in that process, though it may if one just needs a little convincing of the possibilities.
But all too often, what happens is people become dependent on the ones who can demonstrate those abilities, instead of looking within to find the inner blockages that get in the way of greater ability to experience.
Once that is understood, it's the motivation for people who clean up their diets, lose their bad habits, meditate and do tai chi and yoga, go to sacred sites, etc., and spend time with other people who are similarly inclined, and those who can inspire and help point them in the right direction, or just spend a lot of time alone, looking within and releasing what doesn't work for them.

Ill health can certainly be a hindrance, but it can't stop you forever if you are determined enough.
But it can also be helpful to work on one's attitude towards death, recognizing that it is just another doorway, and what lies on the other side is also largely what you make of it, and what your approach dying is.
If you resist even thinking about it, the way many people do, the subject just becomes another blockage, another reason to fear.
Whereas your death might be the best thing that ever happened to you, and the very thing you were waiting for!
As Carmody wrote in another thread, death isn't really at all what we think it is.

I think when we get to the other side, we often breathe a huge sigh of relief, and everything we were trying so hard to understand in life comes to us all in a rush of remembering.
Then we just have to laugh and say, "Wow, what a trip that was!" :lol:

4Talismans
7th July 2013, 20:24
I must say though: if you're lying on a bed, unable to move, breath properly or talk...you pretty much are your illness and nothing else. Sure, you could tell me i'm my spirit and so forth, but it wouldnt be much of a consolation prize. What if you're too weak to even practice intent or compassion? What then?

Yeah I hear you. It's definitely easier said than done. And thats why it's a spiritual practice.

onawah
7th July 2013, 20:59
I reminded myself of the experiences of an old friend named Sydney.
He had heart problems and a family who depended on him a lot, and he complicated matters by drinking too much, but he was a dear soul, and an inspiration to a lot of people because of, in spite of it all, his kindness, cheerful, hard working attitude, and his great sense of humor (a lot like you, in fact, Chinaski! :hug:)
He was so stubborn, at one point he actually confounded his doctors by growing new muscles in his heart after a couple of heart attacks, which enabled him to continue working way past the time his family hoped he would have retired.
By the time he got up into his 70s however, he had spent a lot of time in hospitals, had had triple bypass surgery, had developed diabetes as well and was on a myriad of drugs.
The last time I talked to him, he had had one of his feet amputated due to the diabetes, and was not having any fun at all.
His family were all clinging to him, resisting every intimation of his approaching death and creating an anxious and fear-filled atmosphere in which it was very hard for him to let go.
It was unbearable for him, but the fear from his family was contagious, and he had become afraid of death too.
My heart really went out to him. I have experienced a huge amount of physical pain in my life too, and it was clear to me that he had no quality of life left that would justify the amount of pain he was having to endure.
I told him what a good man he was, how much he had inspired others, that he had no reason to fear death, and how he deserved to have an end to the pain.
We had had conversations before about reincarnation, and I think he knew that death wasn't an end, but just another beginning.
I think by the time our conversation ended, he was ready to let go, and he died soon after that.

Some years later, I got a reading from a very talented medium.
She got in touch with several friends on the other side, and Sydney was one of them.
He thanked me for helping him and told me that his transition had been very easy, and when he got to the other side, he was so relieved, and just wished that he hadn't given in to the fear and waited so long before letting go.

I was so moved by that, I decided to get training as a hospice volunteer.
I went through the training and did some volunteer work, but discovered I wasn't really a good candidate for it, because I was so adversely affected by the energy of the pharmaceuticals most of the patients were on.
But it had become clear to me that a lot of the suffering from illness of people in our 1st world paradigm has to do with our fearful attitude towards death.

I had a near death experience in 1972 when I was struck by a drunk hit and run driver while I was attempting to cross a street.
I was hospitalized for 5 months with multiple injuries, and was not expected to walk again (though I did and do!).
When I was in the ER, my vital signs began to fade, but 2 friends showed up just then and they pulled me back into my body, so I had a "spontaneous remission."
When I came to and opened my eyes, one of the ER doctors turned my head so that I could see my 2 friends' crazed, tear-streaked faces through the window.

Though I didn't really want to come back into that broken body, and it took years before I was grateful to still be here, it's taken even longer for me to deal with my feelings about death.
I didn't go into the tunnel toward the bright Light as so many people have described from their NDEs.
I was in a really dark, painful and scary place, still very much in trauma when I got pulled back into my body.
But I had had experiences previously with the Light as a result of my spiritual search, meditation practice and several LSD trips (not that I recommend the latter).
So I knew that who I really am is part of that Light.

My fear of dying has dissipated largely because of contact with friends from the other side.
I've had direct telepathic contact since the session with the medium, and it's been very reassuring.
I know now that what I don't want is to be drugged to the gills and hospitalized, with all control over my own body taken from me.
I want to die in a peaceful state of mind, at home if possible, and if I need to do it by my own hand, I'm quite ready for that.
And having come to grips with that, I think I've dissolved a lot of the limiting blocks around the issue of dying that were making my living less than it could be.
I'm sure that if I allow it, there will be friends and guides to greet me when I arrive on the other side, and I've already done a lot of my life review, so I think there aren't a lot of issues I won't be able to face.

Please pardon me if I've gone off topic, or gotten too far into personal experience.
With these kinds of issues, sometimes subjective experience is really all we can offer.
I won't be offended if you would like me to start a new thread and move this post there, Mike.

Fred Steeves
7th July 2013, 21:03
Perhaps I have chosen this at a soul level; I've considered it. But what if I haven't? What if I've jjust lived an irresponsible life? What if I'm simply paying the price of basic cause n effect, living a miserable existence as an indifferent God looks the other way? What if I'm just f#cked?;)


Hi Mike. I'm sorry that your heart is in that bad of shape man, I didn't know. You and BrianEn have both been through a lot with that.

I have to tell you now though, that I think your tough questioning is better aimed at yourself. This *IMO* is an issue not with the plethora of flaky spiritual types, but an issue between you and the Universe, and what you see as f****d up about it. (Am I wrong?)

When you find your peace with that (and it don't come easy), you'll be much more at peace with everything else. Only you can know how to do that, as everyone has to blaze their own path.

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eaglespirit
7th July 2013, 21:06
What If You Just Change...Everything!

I need to bring the thought of Your Native American Connections to the forefront again, Chinaski. Now that it has been brought out by You that You do indeed have roots and lineage. It is a very strong feeling with me that this will help You tremendously/uniquely in the overall matters that matter to You.

If You follow up and follow through with Jim that would be a very good thing to start Your progression into matters of the wonderful unknown, imho. Jim will be back, I'm sure, as You have stated Your willingness to give that offer by Him a good go.

You are spot on with the underlying knowing that You first and foremost must re-learn to love and honor Your Very Own Self...all else flows from there.
Everything that is of relevance to changing it all for the better comes from and is created from that Personal Energy.

There is something very good and empowering going on with You, once again, imho....that a Personal Native American Connection will bring to Life. You will grow quickly to help alot of People in Your Own Life with similar 'issues' that You have expressed here. I mean You can change the whole paradigm in front of You to a thousand times(and more, no kidding) Your Own Selfless Energy input once You decide to step firmly on the path of the Red Road...and I don't just throw these things out there half-assed...I mean that from my heart and am getting it so strongly here and now.

Get in a car and take a trip...make a few connections on the internet and by phone and nearby You and really, really look into some Native American Friendships and Doings...as in Ceremonies that have been around for a very long time that will put You in touch with what and who You really are!!!

Aho My Friend!

onawah
7th July 2013, 21:29
I've been getting a lot from listening to Bashar lately. (There's a good thread on Bashar currently in the channeled forum.)
He's said (and many other seers have, as well) that this present span of time on Earth is very special and lots of souls have incarnated here in order to experience it, even taking any kind of birth just in order to get a body.
And for those of us who have been incarnating here for awhile, this is the time to clear the slate and balance out our karmic checkbooks, so to speak.
We may be cramming as much experience as we can into this lifetime because there is a great opportunity now to take a leap into the next level.
Given that, and depending on our individual karma and whatever our experience is, it's bound to be kind of intense, and difficult to keep our balance.
Everything is coming up for review on a planetary scale, and everything is coming to light this time around.
It's certainly not easy, but it's for our learning, and we get to decide what it is that we want to learn.
Whatever that is, is probably being magnified by the unique energies the planet is experiencing.
So feeling overwhelmed, in despair, confused, etc. is probably to be expected.
So there's good reason to bless and forgive ourselves :angel:and give ourselves a pat on the back, just for being here! :grouphug:

onawah
7th July 2013, 21:56
Here's an uplifting brief talk from Bashar that Paula provided over on the Bashar thread.
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Mike
7th July 2013, 22:07
Hi Onawah, I love hearing personal experiences, much more so than vague spiritual aphorisms and so forth...so no, you're not off topic at all!and I really really enjoyed reading those last 3 posts from you.

I recall you speaking of your friend and his heart problems, and I recall at the time it was a huge inspiration for me...that fact that he *willed* his heart muscle to revitalize. Inelia Benz once told me a similar anecdote about herself. And I believe it. I'm glad you shared that here again. Thanks!

And your recovery from the car accident was also huge inspiration! Come to think of it Nat, you are one hell of an inspirational individual!;)

Proud to count you as a friend!:hug:

Mike
7th July 2013, 22:18
Hey Fred,

Ya know, I wasn't aware that BrianEn was having problems. Damn. What happened? Is he OK? Please pm me if you read this Brian - I may have some tips for you, and vice versa.

You may very well be correct in some respects about the tough questions being more about me. John Lennon said all his songs were essentially about him, even when he was making fun of Paul McCartney in a song like 'how do you sleep'. Hey, this thread has somehow become about me, and God knows I never intended for that to happen. So maybe you're onto something. I'm actually a pretty private person though.

Cool Harrison tune. One of my favorites:)

Mike
7th July 2013, 22:30
Thanks a bunch EagleSpirit, I too am getting the (dare I say it?) "feeling" that I need to get back to my roots.

I've always been fascinated with the culture, long before I knew I had any connection. There is a strong, historical native hold here in the northeast, and the sense that something profoundly spiritual happened here at one point is almost tangible. There is also a feeling of great sorrow, for obvious reasons...

Bubu
7th July 2013, 22:33
Hi Mike,

Did you notice how you started with a relevant question and turned to discussing irrelevant unrelated topic. I do not know if you're happy with that. Apologies for the disrespect.

onawah
7th July 2013, 22:35
It's not always easy to be in the spotlight, but sometimes it's a good thing, and you are certainly deserving of some personal attention, Mike.
:hug::hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
I've learned the hard, experiential way that sometimes those of us with disabilities are the most inspiring to many people, so though we may feel useless sometimes, just the fact that we continue on and do the best we can, can mean a lot, to help others to carry on with whatever their burdens are, and remember life is worth living.

PS There's an interesting current thread on Native American experience here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59757-Personal-accounts-of-Native-Americans-and---Star-People--

HaulinBananas
7th July 2013, 22:48
. . . our psychic track record is abominable, lets face it:) I get no joy out of saying that, but it's true.

so here's my plea: Avalonians, please stop pretending you're psychic, unless of course you are willing to demonstrate said abilities in a youtube video or something. speaking of which, you ever notice how weird and uptight everyone gets when someone is asked to demonstrate their abilities? it's as if we've all agreed to dedicate ourselves to this fictional paranormal fantasy, and damn you objective inquisitor for ruining our dream with your logical questions!;) that's the sort of feeling I get about it all. and this isn't a passive-aggressive shot at Jim either - i'm talking about the entire forum here.

Can you feel that Avalonians? well, can you? Good, cuz I can't either....

Interesting thread, thank you for bringing this up.

I've been on a reading/listening/watching kick lately of all I can find on OBE and am currently going through the 200 youtube videos of Tom Campbell - over halfway through and reading his book My Big TOE (Theory of Everything) and am today listening to the first book in audio form as well. And, have gathered a lot of material on OBE, book/audio tools/videos, and haven't successfully (as far as I can remember) done OBE, although there have been some curious small happenings.

The reason I want to contribute to this thread is because I'm listening to a section of Tom Campbell's first book where he has been discussing skepticism, belief systems, and consciousness and he gave an example of a fish not being aware that he is in water and many people are not aware that we are surrounded by consciousness.

In some of the youtube videos I've watched so far, Tom Campbell will start standing at a lectern and talk about physics, with graphics, charts and illustrations changing behind him. In the beginning of his lectures he only briefly mentions a metaphysical or paranormal experience, event, or idea. I found it is important to watch the whole thing, even though I don't care for physics. He makes it understandable. He actually makes it interesting. But, then he gets to the metaphysics, and in some of the workshop style youtube series of videos he has available, the most interesting parts have been the Experiential Exercises.

His talks move at a fast clip, he is trying to pack a lot of information and ideas into a weekend workshop. So the Experiential Exercises come at you fast. I realized later on that I didn't have time to rationalize to myself why I wouldn't be able to do these things. I surprised myself with the results. It made me feel confident.

I mention these workshops and learning opportunities available for free on Youtube because it's a way to approach the idea of "demonstrating said abilities" in another way. Rather than ask someone else to demonstrate these abilities, why not ask yourself the same question? And the fairest way to conduct this experiment would be not to skip forward to the portion of the youtube videos that contain the Experiential Exercises but to watch the whole lecture up to that point. I remember the Hawaii workshop and the Asheville workshops for sure had the Experiential Exercises. Haven't finished the Calgary workshop yet, but would think that it would have them as well. The healing exercises especially can be a good thing to learn about.



link to Tom Campbell youtube page: https://www.youtube.com/user/twcjr44

Mike
7th July 2013, 22:58
Hi Mike,

Did you notice how you started with a relevant question and turned to discussing irrelevant unrelated topic. I do not know if you're happy with that. Apologies for the disrespect.


Well the thread has sort of organically taken on a life of its own, and I'm ok with that.

No apology necessary mate.

Mike
7th July 2013, 23:04
Thanks Nat!:hug: especially for the link, as I was sort of at a loss as to where I should begin with the native american stuff.

Mike
7th July 2013, 23:11
Hey HaulinBananas,

You sound busy mate!

This sounds like a reasonable approach, and appeals to my logical mind. Thanks for the link. I'll look into it. In fact, I'm gonna look into it right now.

As long as the physics are slightly dumbed down, I'm sure I can labor through it. Michael Talbot made physics interesting, even for an idiot like me, in his book 'the holographic universe'...so I'm not completely averse.

I think at the end of the day there's a science to everything, even what we think of as "spirituality".

RunningDeer
7th July 2013, 23:38
”...I've brought myself back from the brink to a state of relative good health, I've never even read of cases that were as bad as mine. That frightens me. And this is how I've grown to think of myself, as a great explorer who has discovered some extraordinary land from which he can never return to give his knowledge/ experience to the world: but the name of this land is hell.


”... this isn't your conventional case mate. You may want to let this one go...after all, I wouldn't want to ruin your reputation as a healer.;)

Dear Michael,

....................... (silent message now over)

The ‘healer’ is You. The other is the jumper cables.

I've written and deleted about 1000 words over the last couple of hours. By far this is the hardest post I've attempted. Simply...I can’t begin to know your journey. I have no solutions for on-going pain. I want to go into fix-it mode and say have you tried MMS?

But, You know you, and you knows You. Maybe that’s what you bring to this collective journey. Solutions for your walking laboratory.

I don’t even know how to end this F’in post. Except to say, ugh!!! awkward, but heart felt.

My continued Affinity and Love,
Paula xo

Mike
7th July 2013, 23:56
Hi Paula:hug::hug:

I'm just pleased as punch that you've participated on this thread as much as you have!

I wish I could explain my journey a little better, but even then it wouldn't matter, would it? It all comes down to our own individual experiences...and no one can really know what me or you or anyone else is going through. I know i'm not the only one on earth with problems - you've written personally about yours on a couple occasions and I've always gotten strength from it.

I don't really know how this thread shifted to me, and honestly I'm quite horrified about it:o I'm not a blowhard or an attention seeker; I'm not even one to start a thread really. But some good debate has come of it, so I s'pose I'm alright with it.

Another1
7th July 2013, 23:57
This is the very best I have ever seen anyone put the concept into words:
"... The ‘healer’ is You. The other is the jumper cables. ..."

Short, simple and spot on :)

RunningDeer
8th July 2013, 00:02
Why the discussion about proving someones ability when it is clear that it's no use to us whether true or not. it's funny how people can be swift by the current to uselessness, even those regarded with superior reasoning power, simply because they forget to ask the most basic question, "is it useful or not"?

I'm with another1" He can politely troll us 24/7.

I'd rather dwell on the spy cam. Short post extremely useful. Thanks Paula
Hello Nature,
I've been posting on so many threads...This is me. :wave:


I’m so confused
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The Twilight Zone
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Anchor
8th July 2013, 00:43
My friend, I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've been sent "healing energy", or variations thereof, from huge hearted and well-meaning members here...and nothing has ever happened as a result.

For all those who have offered me their assistance, I've got nothing but love for ya, and I mean absolutely no disrespect.

Hey, if you guys wanna heal me I won' t stop you, ha! I am biased, obviously, but I do think it would be a wonderful conclusion to the thread!

Yes well that is not the same.

I actually said how about we heal you, I did not say, how about we try to heal you. If you would not mind, please read it again, but with that in mind.

Well you sound confident mate, but if you're trying to elicit confidence in me to somehow activate the placebo principle...it won't work;)

I know how this is going to make me sound, but I'm going to say it anyway: very early in my illness it was very clear to me that I was way beyond conventional medicine - it could offer me nothing. And in many ways, "alternative" therapies, like herbs and so forth, didn't even make a dent. Deathbed cures from various world renown healers had little to no effect...so you can imagine my despair, especially since those around me thought I was suffering from "anxiety" and had no clue as to the true nature of my problem. I was vastly.misunderstood. i was vindicated years later when I got a proper diagnosis from a Dr Sarah Myhill (genius)...but by then too much time had passed and the damage had been done.

I'm beginning to think I'm beyond conventional spirituality too...and "alternative" spirituality. I am so far down the rabbit hole that the only thing keeping me company these days are my own echoes. I've done loads of research, and though I've brought myself back from the brink to a state of relative good health, I've never even read of cases that were as bad as mine. That frightens me. And this is how I've grown to think of myself, as a great explorer who has discovered some extraordinary land from which he can never return to give his knowledge/ experience to the world: but the name of this land is hell.

So you see, during the light years it may take for healing energy and loving thoughts and prayers to reach me in the depths of that rabbit hole, I am only getting worse. I won't discourage you from trying to help me of course, and appreciate your interest, but I feel I must warn you: this isn't your conventional case mate. You may want to let this one go...after all, I wouldn't want to ruin your reputation as a healer.;)

You are not really reading the way I meant it.

I should have picked a better example. When I first wrote it, I did not realize how serious an illness you actually had until I looked back and re-read the thread to try and figure out why I was not being able to make myself clear. This could well have polarized your understanding of what I was trying to say.

My point is, even if we did heal you it could prove nothing to you - because there would be no certitude that it was "us" that did it, and at the end of the day it does not matter - except in the context of a "show me proof" thread. There will always be the James Randi's to come along and offer alternative explanations to save the minds of those not ready for the reality of healing, and our power, when ready, to transform ourselves once the underlying need for whatever catalyst's, challenges, illnesses, distortions we choose to experience are fully met.

Unless there is to be a gross infringement on your freewill to walk your own path of discovery, direct and incontrovertible proof cannot be given. This is my theory why miracles will always have sufficient wiggle room for doubt. That was my point; hypothetically - if we WERE to ACTUALLY heal you, it could all ways be attributable to some other cause, by those that need to do that.

For the record, I don't think I have a reputation as a healer. This is literal, except in respect of myself, I never heal others. When I am involved in healing I merely contribute to the healing - this is a key point.

I don't try to heal, I dont need to try. What I always do is offer myself as a healing gateway through which the cosmos can work. This is open to you, but you are the one that does the work not me.

Raf made a reference to Jesus's miracles earlier, so this should be fair game:


25 And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years, And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse, When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment. For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole.

And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague. And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes? And his disciples said unto him, Thou seest the multitude thronging thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?

And he looked round about to see her that had done this thing. But the woman fearing and trembling, knowing what was done in her, came and fell down before him, and told him all the truth. And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague..

The woman healed herself, Jesus didn't, nor did he claim to have - he was just a gateway for the healing.

jiminii
8th July 2013, 01:05
Oh boy, I think we've lost Jim;)

look ... I had a lot of blow down right after I left this thread last night .. and incredible light coming in ... haven't felt that for awhile ,.... even the dimensions of the room started to change ... colors everywhere ... so I had a thought ... why don't you go get a check up now ... see if something changed

ok?

jim

jiminii
8th July 2013, 01:26
I've have read that spiritual masters, or 'those who would know' say that the path of spiritual enlightenment spawns a myriad of spiritual/psychic powers that should be more or less ignored, as they are just a 'side-effect' of spiritual development. It is easy to become ego-identified with these powers and get side-tracked from your actual goal.

I spend a lot of time on another forum, and those "can you feel it?" threads pop up a couple times a month.

After a while I start to think that maybe it was just a burp in the Force that some people pick up on. And some (like me) don't.

I still believe that the greatest gift we can offer others is compassion and a silent acknowledgement of the difficulty and pain often inherent in an earth incarntion.

I cannot ignore the amount of suffering on this planet and the fact that, of all the people trying to alleviate it through thought and conciousness raising, (with the best of intentions)it is still with us.

Chinaski has dealt with a severe heart problem which has (probably) greatly affected his life experience and conciousness. The last thing a person who is going through a trauma or life-changing experience needs is a lecture on 'personal responsibility'.

Compassion and connection are healing.

Because, let's face it, none of us here (except Jimini) (heh heh) know what's really going on here, in this reality we find ourselves in every day. Even those who have had extraordinary experiences have to get up and go to work, deal with bills, car repairs, relationships, pain, grief and trauma, illness, loss, and the myriad of other experiences that make up a human life.

I was heavily involved in 'new-age' thinking when i was living in sedona, arizona for many years. (the new-age mecca of america!) Living there was a sobering lesson in discernment.

It is easy to say we create our own reality. It is easy to tell another that their suffering is their own creation, and they can stop it. It's easy to Say anything. Words are cheap :)

I have found that some people who embrace new-age thinking (and i'm not thinking of anyone on this forum, but of some people that I know) are actually afraid of the darker side of life. You can't walk a spiritual path very long without confronting the amount of suffering on this planet. (Not just human - I do animal rescue - and I could tell you some stories.)

I have come to the conclusion that all suffering deserves compassion. You can always lecture someone when they are on their feet again:)

I have also come to the conclusion that we are all living in our own tiny (sometimes really weird) universes. When we 'connect' it's through the heart chakra, not the mind.

"You create your own reality" "We are all one" These are advanced spiritual truisms and cannot truly be understood at the freshman, intermediate levels. Life, reality, conciousness, spirituality, are complex and multi-layered, unpredictable, uplifting, scary, gratifying, destroying....much bigger than any one person can wrap up in a package and claim to be an authority on.

We would all love to see a paradigm shift, an end to suffering, an ascendtion to a new level of being ( and i'm perfectly willing to give jimini all the credit should it happen :) ) Meanwhile, we wake up in this world everyday and must learn to deal with it, and grow, despite its hardships.

And be a support to one another.

Hi Judymoon,

This was a joy to read, from top to bottom.

And many of these "masters" with paranormal abilities aren't necessarily what we would call spiritually evolved, are they? I s'pose I should track one down then - I don't think their ego would get in the way of making a tree appear in a barren field, or, say, causing one of our politicians to tell the truth about 911;)

"All suffering deserves compassion. You can lecture someone when they get on their feet again". Great quote. I may embroider it on my forehead...backwards of course so I could read it in the mirror...OK, now I'm rambling....

from my experience ... on weather again and again .. and other things too ... you put up a thought ,.. "it is raining" ... now you want to stop the rain ... so you put up a thought ,.. "it's not raining" ... but the rain continues .... and doesn't stop ... WHY??? because you haven't vanished the thought that created the rain ...
so you look back to that thought and cancel it ... and then the second postulate happens and rain stops ...

so it is like this ...you can't just postulate someone is healed until the vanish the thought he made that got him sick ,..

it is JUST THAT WAY ... sometime 8 years ago ... there was a thought ... and after that thought ... he got heart problems ... so he has to go back to the time .. locate THAT thought and decide it is not true ... now ... if he had an accident and was made unconscious ... and someone put the thought in there .. when he was unconscious then how can he know what the thought was ... ok .. this takes an auditor to take him back into regression and see what is in the reactive mind that is holding the sickness in place ...

now the only other way I know to make this thought go away ... is to decide YOU KNOW what THAT thought is ... How do you KNOW what THAT thought IS ... ???


JUST LOOK ... YOU KNOW WHAT THE THOUGHT IS .. WHETHER IT WAS AN UNCONSCIOUS THOUGHT OR A CONSCIOUS THOUGHT ... THE BEING RECORDS ALL UNCONSCIOUS THOUGHTS TOO ... BUT THEY ARE HIDDEN IN THE SUBCONSCIOUS MIND ....

so JUST LOOK THERE ... THAT ... THOUGHT .. IS .. THE .. THOUGHT ,. that ... CAUSED ..THE ... SICKNESS ... so .. JUST LOOK AT THAT ... in a QUICK LOOK ... it will flash before your mind faster than you can imagine ... but it IS THAT THOUGHT ... DECIDE ... you can FLASH THAT THOUGHT and MAKE IT GO AWAY ... JUST A QUICK VIEW and DECIDE that THAT THOUGHT IS A LIE ... if you get the right THOUGHT ... it will vanish .... might take a bunch of runs over it .. but YOU WILL KNOW WHEN IT IS GONE ,.. YOU WILL FEEL IT .... IT IS NO LONGER THERE ..... NOW ... DECIDE THAT YOUR HEART IS IN PERFECT 17 YEAR OLD ATHLETIC CONDITION .... and there will be NOTHING STOPPING IT ...

that is my best shot ... I am not there to get you a quick look at the thought that was created 8 years ago when you suddenly got the heart condition .. so you have to try this yourself

jim

Mike
8th July 2013, 01:44
Hi Anchor,

If yourself, or yourself and a few others, collaborated to heal me, and I suddenly got well after a few days or a week, after many many years of illness...I'd believe it was you who did it:) what else could I possibly attribute it too?

I am no more a believer than a disbeliever - I am an observer, with my ass sitting very firmly on the fence. I'm open to all possibilities. I tend towards logic; but if you said you could heal me, and I was suddenly healed....

Look, I wouldnt credit my nightly prayers OK?;)...been sayin 'em for years..

judymoon
8th July 2013, 01:49
Serious illness has a tendency to cut you off from the flow of life. Often, the people close to you want to 'save' you but don't know how. Many suggestions are offered, much sympathy is expressed, but few know how to be there for you if an illness goes on for a long time.

Eventually, you try to spare them the discomfort they feel over your illness not 'healing' and you say its all right, everything will work out.

Some will fear your on-going illness because we 'create our own reality' and are 'personally responsible' for our life circumstanses so why don't you just get better so we won't be afraid that our beliefs are not correct?

I think the biggest problem with the new-age movement is the lack of skills it provides for dealing with life when it gets painful, dark, and unpredictable.

I think it is absolutely essential that we develope skills for dealing with adversity and circumstanses that may not have a happy ending.

My turn-around point was when i read an article in The Sun magazine many years ago. A man's wife was dying of cancer. At first their friends had all kinds of advice and support to give.

As the illness went on, the friends became uncomfortable with the 'lack of results' and started blaming the victim, so to speak.

Towards the end they had all dropped away leaving this man to question deeply the validity of a belief system that has developed no means of support and comfort for the sick, the traumatised, the abused, and the dying.

I think that developing the ability to be with someone....just be with them in the place they are experiencing; no judgment, no advice, no discomfort, no fear, just a quiet and compassionate connection. A connection that says 'its alright to be right where you are, I'll walk with you for a ways.'

If we are growing into spiritual beings, we will eventually have to handle the darker side of life, and life's harder questions.

You can pretend that its all love and light, but catastrophes and hardships are part of the life experience. I think part of our spiritual growth should be learning the skills and developing the courage to face the darkness when we are called upon to do so. Without fear, because we are prepared.








Serious illness is a solitary road, you end up deep inside yourself, where time has a different quality. The world outside seems

Mike
8th July 2013, 01:54
Oh boy, I think we've lost Jim;)

look ... I had a lot of blow down right after I left this thread last night .. and incredible light coming in ... haven't felt that for awhile ,.... even the dimensions of the room started to change ... colors everywhere ... so I had a thought ... why don't you go get a check up now ... see if something changed

ok?

jim

That's interesting Jim.

I do have a doctors appointment in 2 weeks so I'll keep you posted.

1inMany
8th July 2013, 01:56
Hi Chinaski,

Thank you for sharing this thread. Really. It seems a journey in and of itself. I used to be skeptical when people made predictions about the future. I guess I'm not so much any more, but neither do I put stock in them. Nowadays, if someone makes a prediction and it doesn't come to pass (ever), I think to myself, "oh, look, another disaster avoided. Another instance of skipping timelines." And, I sort of chuckle. Recently, my husband, who is deep into real life, had an experience of watching time move very fast in the forward direction. He shared with me what he saw (which I won't share.) And after he calmed down, we talked about it and decided that what he saw is probably only one of many ways things can go. Until he had this experience, I really did not understand why people would put themselves "out there" with possibilities.

I was also thinking about your use of the word paranormal. That means many things to many people. I just wondered if you could put parameters on that for me (for no reason other than I'm following along with the thread haha).

One last thought. A few posts back you mentioned a strong, almost palpable, vibe in the area where you live. I just wanted to throw this out there. Do you think this is what some people are talking about when they say "do you feel it?" I don't know, obviously, haha. And I'm not a psychic, not a weather maker or breaker, that sort of thing. But a while back, I was wishing I could feel what other people feel, or see what other people see, because it was easy for me to look at all this tongue-in-cheek. What I realized when things began to happen for me is that as I was listening and reading and such, I was building up in my head what all that would be like. And now that things are opening up a bit, it is nothing like what I was expecting. Sometimes people come across so confident and so sure that I assumed my own experiences would be obvious, loud, big, in my face kind of things. For me, that isn't the case at all. Everything is quiet, almost transparent. Seems to me it all started with a little part of me that sensed something...almost palatable, but not concrete at all.

The road of finding the Truth, this journey, sure does take unexpected turns...I wish you well on yours :)

Mike
8th July 2013, 02:03
Oh, and I think you're spot on about thought and entrenched thought, Jim, but once that sickness takes hold I think you have much more than originating thought to deal with. Yes, thought patterns must be reversed, but the reality is that the illness in front of you has *physical* dimensions and now requires physical (as well as mental) care.

I don't think one thought is gonna cut it - maybe a series of thought and a strategy and a new set of behaviors..along with massive doses of coq10, carnitine, mag, ribose etc...

mosquito
8th July 2013, 02:31
Mike, you need to clear you inbox - NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!

Mike
8th July 2013, 02:35
Mike, you need to clear you inbox - NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!


Well you've bullied me into it;)

Done. Thanks.

Mike
8th July 2013, 03:04
Judymoon, you've been very ill at one point in your life, no? Cuz I feel like i'm reading a kindred spirit here.

Wonderful post!

I've been biting my tongue for a while, trying my absolute best to be as kind as possible and not get frustrated, but its very clear to me those who have been severely ill and those who have perhaps read a few books on mind over matter or something. And God bless them! I wouldn't wish this stuff on my worst enemy....but its just as you said: no one understands you, and people slowly get uncomfortable around you, and as a result your world gets smaller and smaller - the process is almost as depressing and insidious as the disease itself!

Those that have attempted to help you get embarrassed in your presence, because their attempts have failed, and those that have continually offered enthusiasm can't bring themselves to lie to you anymore about your chances...and things you might have spoken about with friends suddenly seem trivial in the face of what you're dealing with......and you soon realize that there's no longer anything to say, and one by one people start drifting from your life. And in a way you're relieved, ha! Cuz it required energy to have those interactions, and you just don't have it anymore. Plus they were really f#ckin awkward too;)

Anyway, enough of that depressing stuff. I just want you to know that I really really appreciate your input here. Thank you.

RunningDeer
8th July 2013, 03:12
Oh, and I think you're spot on about thought and entrenched thought, Jim, but once that sickness takes hold I think you have much more than originating thought to deal with. Yes, thought patterns must be reversed, but the reality is that the illness in front of you has *physical* dimensions and now requires physical (as well as mental) care.

I don't think one thought is gonna cut it - maybe a series of thought and a strategy and a new set of behaviors..along with massive doses of coq10, carnitine, mag, ribose etc...

Hi Chinaski-Mike,

I was diagnosed with *cerebral palsy. I remember the train ride into Boston with my Mom. Then one day my parents switched to ‘get tough’. *Cerebral palsy was never mentioned again until years later. My mom said they didn’t know what they were talking about.

For the most part the brain compensated for the kinks in how I gather and retain. Gross motor co-ordination strenghtened. I excelled in sports. Today, Tai Chi keeps the brain hemispheres in balance, along with physical co-ordination. See where I’m going with this? Mind-body connection.

The other part is auric field. It’s is the driver of the body. When I keep the field elastic, flexible and vibrant through raised energy, the body remains in flow, free of viruses, dis-ease, etc.

So when you say: “but once that sickness takes hold I think you have much more than originating thought to deal with. Yes, thought patterns must be reversed, but the reality is that the illness in front of you has *physical* dimensions and now requires physical (as well as mental) care.”

I agree. It is absolutely 100% true for you. Like the phrase: You are what you eat. Well, you are what you say. If I say, I can’t, then I won’t.

For me, I’d work from the inside out and the outside in. I’d tweak the message little by little to change and enhance the body memory.

Hearts,
Paula :wave:

PS I hope this doesn't come across cold, and uncaring. Cuz, if I didn't care, I wouldn't post.


UPDATE:

*Clarification - I am not saying, “Come one, come all, heal what ails you!”

Maybe it was a slight case. Some facts: I didn’t walk until almost 2, birth trauma, I stammered, learning process were a challenge like rote skills and comprehension.

Here’s the point: for whatever their motivation was financial, time constraint, third baby then fourth baby on the way. On important levels, I benefited. It didn’t allow a program, a belief or a label to take over the cellular memory.

Mike
8th July 2013, 03:23
That's interesting Paula. Don't get me wrong: I *do* believe in the mind/matter connection...its just in this dimension there is sometimes a very large gap between what we're intending and what eventually manifests, right? That's the frustrating part;)

Thanks for sharing that personal anecdote - I don't believe you've mentioned it before, have you? That train ride must have been murder!

Any suggestions for healing the auric field? One thing I'm beginning to realize is that once I get physically healthy, to stay there I must incorporate other parts of my being. Tips?

Thanks Paula!:hug:

judymoon
8th July 2013, 03:41
"And in a way you're relieved, ha! Cuz it required energy to have those interactions, and you just don't have it anymore. Plus they were really f#ckin awkward too"

HA! Thats perfect.

You know, the spiritual journey, while chronically ill, is just as valid as the spiritual journey with $500.000 a year coming in and a huge stock portfolio and a Mazerati in the driveway:)

Just as valid.

Just a very different journey.

You can develop tremendous courage and wisdom having to walk the path alone.

Eventually its not about the healing anymore (though that may well happen) its about the process. The questions it forces you to ask. The extremely frustrating alchemical-like process of trying to turn the illness(lead) into health(Gold). Finding out that the gold is something else altogether.

And never losing your sense of humor:)

Thank for starting this thread, Chinaski - I've learned a lot

mosquito
8th July 2013, 03:49
For me, I’d work from the inside out and the outside in. I’d tweak the message little by little to change and enhance the body memory.

Hearts,
Paula :wave:



As usual, Paula has hit the nail on he head !

Bit by bit Mike, stay aware, be gentle on yourself.

RunningDeer
8th July 2013, 03:49
That's interesting Paula. Don't get me wrong: I *do* believe in the mind/matter connection...its just in this dimension there is sometimes a very large gap between what we're intending and what eventually manifests, right? That's the frustrating part;)

Thanks for sharing that personal anecdote - I don't believe you've mentioned it before, have you? That train ride must have been murder!

Any suggestions for healing the auric field? One thing I'm beginning to realize is that once I get physically healthy, to stay there I must incorporate other parts of my being. Tips?

Thanks Paula!:hug:


its just in this dimension there is sometimes a very large gap between what we're intending
Yes, true. Until, I incrementally tweak my dialogue from 'very large gaps' to 'large gaps' to 'some gaps' to 'gaps' to 'space' to 'drool-drool challenge' to 'recognition of more and more synchronicity in my life' to 'I'm living a synchronistic life style more than not'...

How to raise the auric field is what we hear, i.e. right mind, body, spirit. Feed them. Balance in sleep, contemplation, reflection, laughter, nature, racquetball, hike, state forest, rivers, streams. ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that brings you joy! Corny but soooooo true.

PS The train was from Providence to Boston.



I don’t know if you know how I got my name WhiteCrowBlackDeer. It’s an example of put it out there and confirmation and answers come in ways that are unexpected.

There are as many ways as we continue to create. It begins with sorta believing. It doesn’t have to be 100%. The “Universe” reads the energy signature and matching energetics come your way. That's why some people walk around with clouds over their heads while others bring sunshine.


WhiteCrowBlackDeer:

I live in a rural area, so it is not unusual to see wildlife. Often when I ask for confirmations, animals find their way onto the property.

On July, 2010, I asked for confirmation that I made the right life’s decisions. Less than an hour later there was a 100% white crow caw-cawing right back at three squawking birds, in my pine tree just 50 feet away.

And again early morning, in September, 2010, I had a pressing question/confirmation, and tossed it out. Several hours later, there was a 100% black deer, right in the middle of a country road. He was waiting for his buddy to cross the pasture while my dog, Wolfie, and I were out for a walk.

In both cases, I was not aware until I researched that there are 100% white crows and black deers. For me, they serve to demonstrate the element of synchronicity and a greater world to tap into.

Mike
8th July 2013, 03:54
Hi Chinaski,

Thank you for sharing this thread. Really. It seems a journey in and of itself. I used to be skeptical when people made predictions about the future. I guess I'm not so much any more, but neither do I put stock in them. Nowadays, if someone makes a prediction and it doesn't come to pass (ever), I think to myself, "oh, look, another disaster avoided. Another instance of skipping timelines." And, I sort of chuckle. Recently, my husband, who is deep into real life, had an experience of watching time move very fast in the forward direction. He shared with me what he saw (which I won't share.) And after he calmed down, we talked about it and decided that what he saw is probably only one of many ways things can go. Until he had this experience, I really did not understand why people would put themselves "out there" with possibilities.

I was also thinking about your use of the word paranormal. That means many things to many people. I just wondered if you could put parameters on that for me (for no reason other than I'm following along with the thread haha).

One last thought. A few posts back you mentioned a strong, almost palpable, vibe in the area where you live. I just wanted to throw this out there. Do you think this is what some people are talking about when they say "do you feel it?" I don't know, obviously, haha. And I'm not a psychic, not a weather maker or breaker, that sort of thing. But a while back, I was wishing I could feel what other people feel, or see what other people see, because it was easy for me to look at all this tongue-in-cheek. What I realized when things began to happen for me is that as I was listening and reading and such, I was building up in my head what all that would be like. And now that things are opening up a bit, it is nothing like what I was expecting. Sometimes people come across so confident and so sure that I assumed my own experiences would be obvious, loud, big, in my face kind of things. For me, that isn't the case at all. Everything is quiet, almost transparent. Seems to me it all started with a little part of me that sensed something...almost palatable, but not concrete at all.

The road of finding the Truth, this journey, sure does take unexpected turns...I wish you well on yours :)

Thanks for taking the time to write this;)

That bit with your husband is fascinating! Time travel? Wow!

'Paranormal' is sort of a default word ive been using I guess, a catch-all phrase for all things not normally present or identifiable in our everyday reality. Its like the tofu of the metaphysical - it seems to work and blend well with everything. If its a little misleading, I'm open to new suggestions;)

Yes, that "strong, palpable" native american vibe I feel...I've been waiting for someone to tell me what a lousy hypocrite I am for writing that, ha! Thanks for being kind. Yes, it might very well be what people are sensing, or something similar to. But I want my psychics to be more talented than me, so I'd regard it as a disappointment if this was all they felt;) but yes, it was certainly an astute observation on your part!

markpierre
8th July 2013, 03:56
I think you're right Chinaski. Call it as you see it. It's not just foolish to believe things that aren't in your experience,
it's irresponsible. No single idea or positionality out there has a corner on what's never happened before.
Hang out for real experience of your own, so that when you communicate it, it has the conviction of certainty. All experiences
and talents are just as valid as any other.

A lot of us make that mistake. believing what we haven't seen. What we've been told. Faith in what can't be seen perhaps, but it's still an unknown.
I don't know if it's right or wrong to point it out, but you do what you're compelled to do.
That must be okay.
Egos with superpowers is not my idea of evolution. You end up with special people, and people who aren't special. People in the know,
and the dumb sheeple. Guess who's responsible for that idea? We already have dichotomy well defined.
I'd call it something like spiritual pollution. Like smog, you have to look through it to see what's there. There is something there.

And if you find it, and put it to use in a way that it's useful, you probably won't be bragging about it. It's better left unsaid.
It was nothing you did to cause it, and you know it. You thought you were god for a sec, but hey, you were wrong.

It's not complicated, and it's not unreasonable, but it's very very different. And it can't be translated by any human thought system.
Only loosely described, or demonstrated in your own being. But Spirit isn't a monkey that will perform on demand.
It's practical because there's work to do, and the bulk of it is in the unseen.
It's the effects of that contact, or those talents that are valuable, not the proof of them. Not even the existence of them.

Mike
8th July 2013, 04:04
See guys, even Paula requests confirmation here n there!;)

Where's that emoticon with the guy sticking his tongue out?......

:p.....OK, there it is.

I've had some pretty cool synchronicities too - maybe not quite that dramatic, but cool nonetheless. Its like anything else: you get them when you're not expecting them, or when you're peaceful and relaxed....and I s'pose this all ties in with what you said about living a balanced life, right?

Nat_Lee
8th July 2013, 04:15
To clarify: I don't doubt that there are some here with interesting abilities. I know Paula does, for example, from firsthand experience. I believe strongly that Padme does too, though I'm certain I've just embarrassed the heck out of her...

I'm simply frustrated with all the predictions and claims.I don't want to discredit anybody - I just want to see some follow-thru is all.

I think its a reasonable request.

Maybe, you are an intelligent and curious man who wants to verify the other's people truth. You need to see if what they say is real because you are interested in that kind of stuff ... So for me it shows that you are open to it and I see this as a positive thing.

Maybe some of your words were ''kinda'' thought for certain people but the main purpose of the thread was ''your intention of knowing for sure''. And for you knowing for sure is ''to have proof'', and FOR YOU proofs are to SEE ;) So I think that it is ok to have confirmations and ask for ''it'' because it shows that you are taking care of yourself, and about your needs.

Sometimes we write and have an idea about what we want to say, we are expressing our self the way ''we are'', and even if we are choosing our words (I think you did Mike), we cant make everyone happy .....

Thanks you for this thread Mike ! :rockon:
Because of it, I have read and discover new interesting people and it will help me in my quest for ''my thruth'' and to find what it feels true for me.

Again, to all Avaloniens, thank you ! :clap2:
Love !
Nat

RunningDeer
8th July 2013, 04:18
See guys, even Paula requests confirmation here n there!;)

Where's that emoticon with the guy sticking his tongue out?......

:p.....OK, there it is.

I've had some pretty cool synchronicities too - maybe not quite that dramatic, but cool nonetheless. Its like anything else: you get them when you're not expecting them, or when you're peaceful and relaxed....and I s'pose this all ties in with what you said about living a balanced life, right?

Yes, I'm part of a working team. I'm the driver. This is how it works with my “Mixed Family Group”:

- Mostly, they are there for support and encouragement. How I know them to be of the Light is that I only feel their Love. A feeling of Love and Peace washes over me to the point where I sometimes weep.

- When I have doubts about visitors, a command I use: "show your light or leave now." Even when my “Mixed Family Group” come, I ask that they show their Light. Before my thought even begins, they do.

- There were a couple of times in the last six months when guidance didn’t feel pure as I know it to be. When I asked to see the Light, it wasn’t brilliant. Which meant it’s not someone that I choose to accept guidance from. They weren’t negative, just not high enough to allow them to stay. I ask them to please leave and as fast as they came in they left.

Heading off to bed. It's been nice visiting with you, Mike and All. :wave:

Peace,
Paula

Nat_Lee
8th July 2013, 04:22
you ever notice how weird and uptight everyone gets when someone is asked to demonstrate their abilities?


I used to hang out in bars a lot in my younger years, and talk about an environment where many boasts are made.(LOL) It doesn't take long though to figure out who is who after a while. For instance if someone is bragging about all the pool tournaments they've one, it's easy enough to say "well there's a pool table, let's rack em up and see what ya got". Same as if someone is claiming to be a real bad ass, if they push it too far someone's going to invite them to step outside and find out...

You know the ones who impressed me, or at least the ones I'd want to hang out with? The ones who were just regular old people out for a few beers and to have a good time, not out trying to impress people. If they're really good at pool, you'll find out by shooting a friendly game. If they really are a bad ass, well, you'll just kind of know anyway.

I like the old saying: "Actions speak louder than words". If someone is truly good at something, it will be displayed through their actions by simply getting to know them. When I see someone doing what they do, and doing it well, I'm duly impressed. When I see someone bragging about what they can do, I tend to roll my eyes a bit. :rolleyes:

People do what people do, and alternative media/forums are no different.

Cheers, http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/cheers.gif

Fred

I love this way of thinking !

Just be yourself, BE ....

Live and create ....

Don't speculate or say to much to impress .... (those people often needs love :( and they don't know how to have it so they just show off to get what they need)

Just BE .....

Yeah I sooooooooooooo like it !

Have a nice one Fred Steeves !

Nat_Lee
8th July 2013, 04:29
See guys, even Paula requests confirmation here n there!;)

Where's that emoticon with the guy sticking his tongue out?......

:p.....OK, there it is.

I've had some pretty cool synchronicities too - maybe not quite that dramatic, but cool nonetheless. Its like anything else: you get them when you're not expecting them, or when you're peaceful and relaxed....and I s'pose this all ties in with what you said about living a balanced life, right?

You are on the ''fu...ng'' way man ! Oups ... I sayed the ''F'' wordddddddddddA !
I was to happy and it came out of my mouth(fingers) .... I couldn't stop it ... my fingers were going to fast to be stop(unstoppable) ....
That's it ! That is just right ! Yeah .... :p
On the way to find ''YOUR'' truth and that is the most important thing !!!
Yeah !

Mike
8th July 2013, 04:31
I'm callin it a night too.;)

'Night Paula, 'night everyone

Justintime
8th July 2013, 05:21
I read up through the first three pages of this post and find it quite an interesting discussion. In fact, this is one of the reasons why I wanted to become a member of Project Avalon. You all talk about extremely interesting topics that frankly can't be discussed with every day people. That being said I do have some of my own experiences to add and that's all I'm throwing in there. I pride myself on my honesty and really could care less if other people believe me or not. Then again, I'm the type of person who believes truth is the most elusive creature in this collective reality of ours. And just because I've experienced these things doesn't make them true. That being said here is what I have experienced.

1. When I was ten years old I was walking across the ice on a pond behind my house. My older sister was walking with me. She fell through the ice. We were out on the middle of the lake in the middle of a Midwest winter. I saw her try to grasp the ice around her to push herself up. The ice would not hold again. Somehow I pulled her out of the water and the ice did not break. She was twenty pounds heavier than me. I have no memory of how I pulled her up. Something that defines explanation did occur there. Any normal explanation regarding this experience would have me and my sister dead that day.

2. I have experienced numerous amounts of times when I should have died but didn't, honestly, too many to even put down. All I know is there is a time when I'm supposed to die and that's that.

3. During the few years I spent in a manic state of mind, numerous unexplained events occurred that second party people witnessed. The first one I can think of is sooo weird. I was driving through Taco Bell and the lady taking my order said " hey there's Justin." to a coworker and I'm thinking who the f.... R u? And she tells me that I've come to her and have helped her in her dreams, apparently mine too. A friend of mine was with me at the time and we're both like WTF.

4. Again during my manic times whenever I would watch the weather and when hurricanes were discussed, I live in FLorida now so that's all the time, ESP. In the Summer I could visualize the radar of the hurricane formation, the eye of it so to speak and visualize it shrinking, getting smaller and smaller and smaller until it was just a storm. It worked. Though I don't believe I can do it now and wouldn't claim to, I've always wandered and reading this post kind of makes me think, hey maybe I wasn't as crazy as I thought.

5. Lastly during my manic times, I would feel electric surges come from my brain, almost like I was completely charged up and I could mess with anything electric in my environment. One vivid memory I have is being at the movie theater and in the middle of the movie I believe I turned all the lights on and the movie off. The movie was pissing me off for some reason I can't remember why.

Anyways I know as human beings we are extremely powerful spiritual beings but at the moment everything is set up for us so that we pay attention to the physical world and everything in it to satisfy our needs. BC we have been conditioned to seek outside of ourselves for happiness and power we forget to look inside and we forget that our own power of creation that we have inside us. If there are groups out there who are doing everything they can to control us why are they trying so hard? Why do they exhibit signs of paranoia and fear of us? All in all human beings are pretty easy to control. So whats up with the effort of the elite to control something appearing so docile?

I believe it's because we are extremely powerful spiritual beings who can recreate our environment as soon as we realize how powerful we really are. The key is to wake up and constantly remind ourselves of our higher selves.

Anchor
8th July 2013, 05:38
I don't really know how this thread shifted to me, and honestly I'm quite horrified about it:o I'm not a blowhard or an attention seeker; I'm not even one to start a thread really. But some good debate has come of it, so I s'pose I'm alright with it.

There are no mistakes.... only surprises.

jiminii
8th July 2013, 05:44
Oh, and I think you're spot on about thought and entrenched thought, Jim, but once that sickness takes hold I think you have much more than originating thought to deal with. Yes, thought patterns must be reversed, but the reality is that the illness in front of you has *physical* dimensions and now requires physical (as well as mental) care.

I don't think one thought is gonna cut it - maybe a series of thought and a strategy and a new set of behaviors..along with massive doses of coq10, carnitine, mag, ribose etc...

dianetics ... runs the problem to the first incident on the chain ... but it doesn't erase the chain ...you have to run over the engram again and again and again ....

but new era dianetics takes you to the first incident .... then they ask the question ... "what was the thought that caused this incident to happen?"

you see before anything can happen there is a previous thought that caused it ... could be you walking down the stairs .. and get a thought "I might slip and fall "

that is the thought that caused you to fall down the stairs ... find THAT thought and the whole chain goes ... after the fall you might have gotten the engram .. the painful unconsciousness ... and then what ever anyone says when you're unconscious can go into effect like a hypnotic command ....

so this engram ... makes you resist anything that would cause it to happen again ,.. because you resist it .. it comes in again and again ... "that what you resist comes at you..." .. "that what you want .. moves away from you" ... in a reverse vector fashion ...

so we find the first engram on the chain ... something happened 8 years ago ... and then you got this ... could have been an accident .. could have been a sickness there where it drove you unconscious ... and people added to the incident with their words ....
erasing the engram will erase the chain ... but it must be completely erased .. so it is run over again and again until it is completely duplicated and erases

so I am trying to bypass this chain ... and go to the thought that started it in the first place .... find out what THAT thought is ... and the entire chain will erase ...

it is like doing a contact assist ... I wacked my thumb with a butcher knife ... I get myself in the same position I was exactly as close as I can remember .. I had blood squirting out like my heart beat .... I rapped it with a napkin ... I kept touching the exact place I did when I hit it with the knife ... and I try to recall the moment the knife contacted the skin that made the cut .... each time you touch the area pain happens and blows off ... and do it for 5 minutes ... until there was no more pain. I took off the napkin ... there was no bleeding ... there was NO CUT .... completely GONE ...

so this does work .. recall the moment of a creation vanishes that creation as if it never happened at all ... that is what i am trying to get you to do ... go to the moment of the incident .. if you can ... but that is not easy ... it is more easy to just look at that thought you created 8 years ago that has something to do with making your heart problem ... if you can not remember the words ... then get YOU the spirit can JUST LOOK .. at THAT thought in THAT time ... that caused this to happen ... if you can GET even a quick VIEW of it ... and get the cognition .. the thought will appear .. and the ENTIRE CHAIN of incidence or effects that has happened with your heart will blow .. and be GONE as if it NEVER HAPPENED ...

do you get it?

jim

RunningDeer
8th July 2013, 13:05
See guys, even Paula requests confirmation here n there!;)

Where's that emoticon with the guy sticking his tongue out?......

:p.....OK, there it is.

I've had some pretty cool synchronicities too - maybe not quite that dramatic, but cool nonetheless. Its like anything else: you get them when you're not expecting them, or when you're peaceful and relaxed....and I s'pose this all ties in with what you said about living a balanced life, right?

Yes, I'm part of a working team. I'm the driver. This is how it works with my Family Guides:

- Mostly, they are there for support and encouragement. How I know them to be of the Light is that I only feel their Love. A feeling of Love and Peace washes over me to the point where I sometimes weep.

- When I have doubts about visitors, a command I use: "show your light or leave now." Even when my Family & Guides come, I ask that they show their Light. Before my thought even begins, they do.

- There were a couple of times in the last six months when guidance didn’t feel pure as I know it to be. When I asked to see the Light, it wasn’t brilliant. Which meant it’s not someone that I choose to accept guidance from. They weren’t negative, just not high enough to allow them to stay. I ask them to please leave and as fast as they came in they left.

Heading off to bed. It's been nice visiting with you, Mike and All. :wave:

Peace,
Paula

UPDATE
I ran out of steam last evening before I added the most important part:

Which is the relationship with my Higher Self. From the 3D perspective, the body cannot contain such power without overloading it’s circuits. For now, the more I raise the body's light frequency, the greater the Higher Self streams.

CdnSirian
8th July 2013, 14:42
"Can you feel that..." I've only had time to read p1., 10, and this page. Hardly have time to get on PA right now. But here's my thoughts: feeling is usually physical. Even when we get a feeling of "can you feel that" nature, it still results in a physical tweak of the nervous system.

I think a lot of communication of various sorts flies around and many perceive it whether it's a message for them or not. Sensitive psychics are often sick or a nervous wreck from this. Some individuals get tuned in to receive messages meant only for them, or their spiritual family members so to speak.

Getting tuned in involves managing your vibration as messages of other vibrations won't register.

Abilities and intentions are an entirely different thing. I have exercised influence on the environment a few times, and also on other people. No big deal I think a lot of people do that deliberately or not.

There could be a debate about projecting intentions as interference of others' free will and the ethics of that game. Judgement.

Chinaski I do get and enjoy the spirit of the thread and look forward to reading it all.

I agree with Dolores Cannon that is doesn't matter what's going on the world. It matters what is going on in your world. There is only your world.

Regards all.

jagman
8th July 2013, 16:17
Hello Mike, I'm glad your back on the forum. Your insight's and
perspective were missed. I was sorry to hear about your illness.
I was reading thru the thread today and last night and it seems
you ruffled some feathers. lol Mike if you ever start drinking
the koolaid, I will know it's time to head to the bunker. lol It's
good to question, It's good to question, It's good to question!

"Question with boldness even the existence of God, because if
there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason
than that of blind-folded fear." Thomas Jefferson

Nat_Lee
8th July 2013, 16:48
I believe it's because we are extremely powerful spiritual beings who can recreate our environment as soon as we realize how powerful we really are. The key is to wake up and constantly remind ourselves of our higher selves.

Yes we are very powerful spiritual beings.
This is what I believe and also try to teach to almost everyone I meet when I feel they are in an open mood !
I think that it is the purpose of our lives, I said, ''I Think'', to help our self and also others to reconnect as a oneness and create together a better world.

As soon as you really believe that you can move Universe around you and create it will work ....
You ca do it ! Soooooooo be careful of what you are asking for ... ;)

I suggest all interested or not (lol) Avaloniens this exercise:
please just try it for one week, just one week ;)

Try a little goal first ...
You go outside (inside if you prefer), in a place were you feel good ...
Close your eyes if you want ... (I think it is better to help me focus sometimes)
If it is possible, do it bear foot ;)
While you are doing the exercise, raise your arms slowly toward the sky with the intention to send your demands to the Universe and keep them up...
Now you just think that you can do whatever you want and you are sooooooo powerful ....
Or think about something that makes you feel so powerful that you could move mountains ...
Stay in that instant until you feel it .... Please TRY try try it :D
When you are there, think about something you want to happen in your live .... (if it is money, speak in terms of abundance)
Say it out loud, "I want abundance in my wallet or I want to have a big surprise from my husband in one month, or I want to be more happy at work so something very fun will happen, or I want to receive free food'' etc ...
Do it every day and watch your environment change slowly or faster, depending on how you really believe in your powers ... ;)
The more you believe, the more you will make it happen and more and more faster ...
I do it all the time ....
It work's for me ;)

Exemple: 2 years ago, have decided to have free passages in the metro stations....
For a hole week I wasn't paying at all to get in ....
Something was happening every time I arrived at the turnstile or at the ticket office...
-The metro guy was at the bathroom so the gates were open ....
-Something broke so it was free for everyone ....
-Someone just forgot to close the baby gates .....
_etc ...

Just recently, about 3 weeks ago, I decided to have more abundance in my account and a letter of a pension plan I have accumulated from an old jub came in and i'm expecting a check in 7 days of more than 5 000$ .....

Before that, 2 months or 3 months ago, after that I have made this exercise and asked for a sign that working in this company is really what I have to do ....
here's the story that I have published on facebook in the FB page of my natural company's products:


I just had a nice surprise of life today! I was a little discourage and the appointment did not go as I wanted but this unexpected event made me regain confidence. Here's the story: I went to get my order of the month and to my surprise there were two boxes under my name. I noticed that inside of the box there was another name on the ''Packing Slip'' and products that was not mine. I called customer services to notify them and they thanked me for my honesty and told me to keep the product because sending someone to pick it up and send it back to the right person was to complicated. So I received as a gift an amount of products worth $ 490 tx and shipping included. Wow! Thank you Qivana and thank you life !

and I have ALOT of examples like this ..... I can go on and on ......

So belive it or not ....
I really don't care lol....
The thing is it really works for me ......
At least try it seriously for just one week and give me a follow up in a PM message ....

ok ciao ...
Stuff to DO ...
Love you all and thanks again Mike for this thread !
Nat

Mike
8th July 2013, 19:24
Hello Mike, I'm glad your back on the forum. Your insight's and
perspective were missed. I was sorry to hear about your illness.
I was reading thru the thread today and last night and it seems
you ruffled some feathers. lol Mike if you ever start drinking
the koolaid, I will know it's time to head to the bunker. lol It's
good to question, It's good to question, It's good to question!

"Question with boldness even the existence of God, because if
there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason
than that of blind-folded fear." Thomas Jefferson


Thanks Jags,

Yeah we ruffled a few feathers but I think they're smoothed out now.;)

I love the quote brother.

You been on 'Coast' at all lately?

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Jim I think I'm finally gonna break down and read 'Dianetics'. I believe it'll give us a common ground from which to communicate and work together better.

jagman
8th July 2013, 19:32
Hello Mike, I'm glad your back on the forum. Your insight's and
perspective were missed. I was sorry to hear about your illness.
I was reading thru the thread today and last night and it seems
you ruffled some feathers. lol Mike if you ever start drinking
the koolaid, I will know it's time to head to the bunker. lol It's
good to question, It's good to question, It's good to question!

"Question with boldness even the existence of God, because if
there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason
than that of blind-folded fear." Thomas Jefferson


Thanks Jags,

Yeah we ruffled a few feathers but I think they're smoothed out now.;)

I love the quote brother.

You been on 'Coast' at all lately?

Yeah I got on the other night, but they ran out of time, so my call was not
taken, John B Wells was the host and I really wanted to ask for permission
to come aboard the Mothership lol There will be other opportunities.

Last night show went with your thread really well. I will try and find it
so i can post it here.

Here it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VZ2Mcu2gJo&feature=player_detailpage

Mike
8th July 2013, 19:32
I believe it's because we are extremely powerful spiritual beings who can recreate our environment as soon as we realize how powerful we really are. The key is to wake up and constantly remind ourselves of our higher selves.

Yes we are very powerful spiritual beings.
This is what I believe and also try to teach to almost everyone I meet when I feel they are in an open mood !
I think that it is the purpose of our lives, I said, ''I Think'', to help our self and also others to reconnect as a oneness and create together a better world.

As soon as you really believe that you can move Universe around you and create it will work ....
You ca do it ! Soooooooo be careful of what you are asking for ... ;)

I suggest all interested or not (lol) Avaloniens this exercise:
please just try it for one week, just one week ;)

Try a little goal first ...
You go outside (inside if you prefer), in a place were you feel good ...
Close your eyes if you want ... (I think it is better to help me focus sometimes)
If it is possible, do it bear foot ;)
While you are doing the exercise, raise your arms slowly toward the sky with the intention to send your demands to the Universe and keep them up...
Now you just think that you can do whatever you want and you are sooooooo powerful ....
Or think about something that makes you feel so powerful that you could move mountains ...
Stay in that instant until you feel it .... Please TRY try try it :D
When you are there, think about something you want to happen in your live .... (if it is money, speak in terms of abundance)
Say it out loud, "I want abundance in my wallet or I want to have a big surprise from my husband in one month, or I want to be more happy at work so something very fun will happen, or I want to receive free food'' etc ...
Do it every day and watch your environment change slowly or faster, depending on how you really believe in your powers ... ;)
The more you believe, the more you will make it happen and more and more faster ...
I do it all the time ....
It work's for me ;)

Exemple: 2 years ago, have decided to have free passages in the metro stations....
For a hole week I wasn't paying at all to get in ....
Something was happening every time I arrived at the turnstile or at the ticket office...
-The metro guy was at the bathroom so the gates were open ....
-Something broke so it was free for everyone ....
-Someone just forgot to close the baby gates .....
_etc ...

Just recently, about 3 weeks ago, I decided to have more abundance in my account and a letter of a pension plan I have accumulated from an old jub came in and i'm expecting a check in 7 days of more than 5 000$ .....

Before that, 2 months or 3 months ago, after that I have made this exercise and asked for a sign that working in this company is really what I have to do ....
here's the story that I have published on facebook in the FB page of my natural company's products:


I just had a nice surprise of life today! I was a little discourage and the appointment did not go as I wanted but this unexpected event made me regain confidence. Here's the story: I went to get my order of the month and to my surprise there were two boxes under my name. I noticed that inside of the box there was another name on the ''Packing Slip'' and products that was not mine. I called customer services to notify them and they thanked me for my honesty and told me to keep the product because sending someone to pick it up and send it back to the right person was to complicated. So I received as a gift an amount of products worth $ 490 tx and shipping included. Wow! Thank you Qivana and thank you life !

and I have ALOT of examples like this ..... I can go on and on ......

So belive it or not ....
I really don't care lol....
The thing is it really works for me ......
At least try it seriously for just one week and give me a follow up in a PM message ....

ok ciao ...
Stuff to DO ...
Love you all and thanks again Mike for this thread !
Nat

Boy that sounds like alotta work. Is there any way I can do all this from bed with a beer in my hand?;)

Kidding, kidding....

Nat you strike me as someone who was born with an open heart and mind and soul, and it doesn't surprise me.in the least that these wonderful gifts come to you so easily.

I'm a bit more cynical, ha! Its served me at times, but I do wanna be more open. And yet something is preventing me from letting my guard down. Perhaps its a fear of being duped or something. I dunno. Either way its stupid...cuz at this point I've got nothing left to lose!

ulli
8th July 2013, 19:36
How about Chantal, the tropical storm currently forming in the Atlantic....?
How would one go about disorganizing a storm like that?
Create upper level winds?
Freeze the warm waters of the Caribbean sea?
Return to the moment before the name Chantal was given?

Mike
8th July 2013, 19:52
"Can you feel that..." I've only had time to read p1., 10, and this page. Hardly have time to get on PA right now. But here's my thoughts: feeling is usually physical. Even when we get a feeling of "can you feel that" nature, it still results in a physical tweak of the nervous system.

I think a lot of communication of various sorts flies around and many perceive it whether it's a message for them or not. Sensitive psychics are often sick or a nervous wreck from this. Some individuals get tuned in to receive messages meant only for them, or their spiritual family members so to speak.

Getting tuned in involves managing your vibration as messages of other vibrations won't register.

Abilities and intentions are an entirely different thing. I have exercised influence on the environment a few times, and also on other people. No big deal I think a lot of people do that deliberately or not.

There could be a debate about projecting intentions as interference of others' free will and the ethics of that game. Judgement.

Chinaski I do get and enjoy the spirit of the thread and look forward to reading it all.

I agree with Dolores Cannon that is doesn't matter what's going on the world. It matters what is going on in your world. There is only your world.

Regards all.


Dolores Cannon: fellow solopsist? A new thread?

Ya know i never believed in schitzophrenia. I believe these people are tuned in to something. I believe the voices are very real and coming from an *outside* source. Such is the misunderstanding of other realities that we declare these folks insane and chuck them in asylums and so on. I think our genuine psychics deserve an award just for keeping it together! The truly sensitive must be picking up signals and visions at a rate that would drive most of us batty. And then there's the process of interpretation, filtering and so on. Not an easy life!

P.s. not suggesting all our psychics are schizophrenic, by the way;)

PurpleLama
8th July 2013, 19:56
Creating winds, blow it off one course to another, just move the destruction around someplace else, probably to some place that seldom sees such heavy storms, therefore would be least prepared and likewise more devastated.

Freezing the warm waters would surely destroy the ecosystems, reefs, etc.

Going back to just before the name was given.... Groundhog Day!

The same type of energy that drives a storm, drives the planet, drives an atom, drives the human being. We just project in to it and set some energy working counter to the rotation as it forms, although haarp driven storms do take a little more work when it comes to slowing them down. We want the rain, just not so high winds....

I have half a mind to leave this one alone, just to see if ol' Jim is worth his salt, or not, haha. (except it might come a knockin' down me own door)

¤=[Post Update]=¤


I think our genuine psychics deserve an award just for keeping it together! The truly sensitive must be picking up signals and visions at a rate that would drive most of us batty. And then there's the process of interpretation, filtering and so on. Not an easy life!

Exactly why the Purple Pill has inscribed upon it DGAF.

Mike
8th July 2013, 20:00
How about Chantal, the tropical storm currently forming in the Atlantic....?
How would one go about disorganizing a storm like that?
Create upper level winds?
Freeze the warm waters of the Caribbean sea?
Return to the moment before the name Chantal was given?


When faced with the possibility of a tropical storm, I suggest the old fashioned approach: Run!

Surely not the answer you're seeking my friend, but it may save your life one of these days;)

Mike
8th July 2013, 20:13
Hey MarkPierre, sounds like we're on the same team. I'm sending you a psychic high-five as we speak(write).

Psychic pollution has run rampant IMO, and is a major source of many of our misunderstandings. In ancient times, seers placed great faith in omens and signs and communications from the 'gods'. I feel like many of our seers are delivering the same tired and trite msg these days. Why? Well I think all the psychic pollution cracked the record on that great phonograph in the sky, and now its caught in a single groove..single groove..single groove....

Many of our channelers come to mind here: same message! every time!

Delight
8th July 2013, 20:26
lots of crickets)

:focus:


Choir of the Crickets
hGpCtK1KHwI
Thanks for bringing out the crickets Paula
This is a post off topic in a way.


Dr. Thompson ............... had been (investigating) what he called "Primordial Sounds” - sounds recorded from the human body, breath, heart, blood, organs, etc., as well as nature sound recordings all speeded up, slowed down, formatted to impact the subconscious mind in a positive manner. Human voice speech patterns speeded up by three times sounds amazingly similar to birds chirping, speeded by 8 times, it sounds like crickets, speeded more it sounds like dolphin squeaks and slowed down, like the ocean. Recordings of Nature sounds speeded up and slowed down, in turn, showed similar "primordially" recognizable properties: Crickets slowed down sounded like birds chirping, birds slowed down sounded like dolphins and dolphins slowed down sounded like people singing…

Imagine his amazement and that of all of us when we heard NASA Space Sound recordings that sounded like dolphins, whales, ocean, crickets, choirs, Tibetan bowls and monks chanting! Something in the core of the subconscious awakens and pays close attention to and in the presence of these sounds. His Primordial Sounds™ are found on his Audio Programs.http://www.neuroacoustic.com/nasa.html
[QUOTE]

It is our limits of perception that keep us in a certain range that keeps us in a certain frame.
I KNOW I limit my perception. I consider that we all keep our range in a spectrum that lets in mostly what is comfortable.
There is a probability that by awareness of the IDEA that we may surpass the limits (from example) that we will allow that to be possible.
It is necessary to feel OK being the only one to have an experience.
I think we need to hang out with those who will authentically agree to allow one to surpass the accepted range.

Being herd animals, we are programmed to follow a leader.
If you decide to be a leader, that can cause some blowback.
If you stay a follower, that will prevent great strides outside the "range"

The desert for 40 days is a possible strategy.

Mike
8th July 2013, 20:27
DGAF?

A little elaboration please, purple one...

PurpleLama
8th July 2013, 20:30
Don't Give A F....

Mike
8th July 2013, 20:34
Don't Give A F....


Oh boy. That should have been obvious Chinaski! Pull yourself together man!

Well I'm not an intellectual. Of course that should be painfully obvious by now.

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Impossible to be off topic here Delight. Fire away mate...

Nat_Lee
8th July 2013, 20:40
[QUOTE=Nat_Lee;699171][QUOTE=Justintime;699015]

Boy that sounds like alotta work. Is there any way I can do all this from bed with a beer in my hand?;)

Kidding, kidding....

Hahaha .... Yeah do it like this !
Do it your way with a genuine intention !
Just try it your way !!!
That is just an example of how you can bring stuff (not only material stuff) to Ya !
I invent it .... lol
Just invent a way who will fit you better ;)



Chinaski
Nat you strike me as someone who was born with an open heart and mind and soul, and it doesn't surprise me.in the least that these wonderful gifts come to you so easily.

I'm a bit more cynical, ha! Its served me at times, but I do wanna be more open. And yet something is preventing me from letting my guard down. Perhaps its a fear of being duped or something. I dunno. Either way its stupid...cuz at this point I've got nothing left to lose!

it shows that you wanna be more open ! :) Good for you !
Bah !!! if you do it your way, i don't think you will dupe yourself ..... lol....
If you have nothing to loose, it seems that you have everything to win then !

Yeah !

ok have a nice after noon Mike and all of you ....

Nat

Mike
8th July 2013, 20:50
So many perspectives on this thread and every one of them is right, It is all about the set of glasses we individually wear and sometimes as time goes by we change to another set of glasses.

I posted this on Wade Frazier's thread and I feel it is relevent here:

"This is quite an unfortunate fact, that experience is the leading catalyzer for having an in depth understanding on any one issue, especially the more uncommon experiences within our society. I understand that this is the way to proceed with things since this is the way men is built and evolutionise, but isn't it possible to shower more people with more 'experience'? why only a few have the (mis) 'fortune' to reach to conclusions, what chance does that leave this 'procedure' of change to be a successful one?

Thinking about it, every rule has an exception, and learning from other's experience is also valuable, but this as well requires a sort of an open mind and an.. experience, although maybe not exactly similar to the person you are learning from. There are all sorts of factors that have to be in such a dynamic, and it applies both to the one who listens and to the one who deliver the information/experience/conclusion.

My own conclusion, to put it a little bluntly is that experience sometimes sucks, but it is the best teacher for growth and learning. There is a syaing that goes like this:


"The medicor teacher tells, the good teacher explains, the superior teacher demonstrate, the great teacher inspires" - William Arthur Ward
It is probable that if you met all those teachers and teachings in your own life then comes the time that you are an inpiring teacher yourself"

And might I had, a demonstrator of your own abilities and your own experiences, with no further need for others to 'show' you

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=694094&viewfull=1#post694094

Hi Limor,

Thanks for reposting that bit you put on Wade's thread;) its brilliant and couldn't possibly be more relevant here.

Experience sucks? Are you trying to tell me to be careful what I wish for? Ha!

:hug:

RunningDeer
8th July 2013, 20:56
Yeah I got on the other night, but they ran out of time, so my call was not
taken, John B Wells was the host and I really wanted to ask for permission
to come aboard the Mothership lol There will be other opportunities.

Last night show went with your thread really well. I will try and find it
so i can post it here.

Energy:

What is it?
How is it measured?
How to command the energy.
The different types of energy.


All that in the first 12 minutes; 5:00 - 17:00. Thanks, Jagman. :wave: Still listening. Had to stop and pass along.


"Subtle Energy/ Archons & Angels - George Noory"
Quick link @ 5:16 (http://youtu.be/7VZ2Mcu2gJo?t=5m16s)to 1:17:00

To follow - Archons @ 1:17:00 (http://youtu.be/7VZ2Mcu2gJo?t=1h17m4s)


7VZ2Mcu2gJo

Limor Wolf
8th July 2013, 21:23
So many perspectives on this thread and every one of them is right, It is all about the set of glasses we individually wear and sometimes as time goes by we change to another set of glasses.

I posted this on Wade Frazier's thread and I feel it is relevent here:

"This is quite an unfortunate fact, that experience is the leading catalyzer for having an in depth understanding on any one issue, especially the more uncommon experiences within our society. I understand that this is the way to proceed with things since this is the way men is built and evolutionise, but isn't it possible to shower more people with more 'experience'? why only a few have the (mis) 'fortune' to reach to conclusions, what chance does that leave this 'procedure' of change to be a successful one?

Thinking about it, every rule has an exception, and learning from other's experience is also valuable, but this as well requires a sort of an open mind and an.. experience, although maybe not exactly similar to the person you are learning from. There are all sorts of factors that have to be in such a dynamic, and it applies both to the one who listens and to the one who deliver the information/experience/conclusion.

My own conclusion, to put it a little bluntly is that experience sometimes sucks, but it is the best teacher for growth and learning. There is a syaing that goes like this:


"The medicor teacher tells, the good teacher explains, the superior teacher demonstrate, the great teacher inspires" - William Arthur Ward
It is probable that if you met all those teachers and teachings in your own life then comes the time that you are an inpiring teacher yourself"

And might I add, a demonstrator of your own abilities and your own experiences, with no further need for others to 'show' you

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=694094&viewfull=1#post694094

Hi Limor,

Thanks for reposting that bit you put on Wade's thread;) its brilliant and couldn't possibly be more relevant here.

Experience sucks? Are you trying to tell me to be careful what I wish for? Ha!

:hug:


Hi Mike :D

Familiar with roller coasters? It is more about holding tight when falling down, your heart flutters, you might even shout, and then you go up again, finally you go out with a smile on your face

Good luck ~

CdnSirian
8th July 2013, 22:37
"Can you feel that..." I've only had time to read p1., 10, and this page. Hardly have time to get on PA right now. But here's my thoughts: feeling is usually physical. Even when we get a feeling of "can you feel that" nature, it still results in a physical tweak of the nervous system.

I think a lot of communication of various sorts flies around and many perceive it whether it's a message for them or not. Sensitive psychics are often sick or a nervous wreck from this. Some individuals get tuned in to receive messages meant only for them, or their spiritual family members so to speak.

Getting tuned in involves managing your vibration as messages of other vibrations won't register.

Abilities and intentions are an entirely different thing. I have exercised influence on the environment a few times, and also on other people. No big deal I think a lot of people do that deliberately or not.

There could be a debate about projecting intentions as interference of others' free will and the ethics of that game. Judgement.

Chinaski I do get and enjoy the spirit of the thread and look forward to reading it all.

I agree with Dolores Cannon that is doesn't matter what's going on the world. It matters what is going on in your world. There is only your world.

Regards all.


Dolores Cannon: fellow solopsist? A new thread?

Ya know i never believed in schitzophrenia. I believe these people are tuned in to something. I believe the voices are very real and coming from an *outside* source. Such is the misunderstanding of other realities that we declare these folks insane and chuck them in asylums and so on. I think our genuine psychics deserve an award just for keeping it together! The truly sensitive must be picking up signals and visions at a rate that would drive most of us batty. And then there's the process of interpretation, filtering and so on. Not an easy life!

P.s. not suggesting all our psychics are schizophrenic, by the way;)

I agree that schizophrenics are not crazy. They seem to lack a filter that most have. They can't adjust the SNR.

I understand Dolores Cannon to believe that our world is the filter through which we perceive and we should attend to it, rather than get distracted by the world as represented by the media, and others. I don't think she really states the solipsist view. I don't want to misrepresent her here. Or am I sure if I understand her.

Regards all.

Another1
8th July 2013, 23:47
For the folks who know how to move storms around: We're in a long year drought here in Oklahoma (southwest in general) with rivers drying up and local communities starting their fights. One main resevoir lake 20 miles from here is expected to be dry within 2 years. 1,000 miles north of us they are under water from flooding and the rains still come. Can ya do yer magic and move a few of them storms down here? It's win-win-win thing.

Nat_Lee
9th July 2013, 01:37
For the folks who know how to move storms around: We're in a long year drought here in Oklahoma (southwest in general) with rivers drying up and local communities starting their fights. One main resevoir lake 20 miles from here is expected to be dry within 2 years. 1,000 miles north of us they are under water from flooding and the rains still come. Can ya do yer magic and move a few of them storms down here? It's win-win-win thing.

hey we should make an exercice here ! Lets put in the Universe the motive to create what Another1 is asking for !
Lets all do it at the same day !

are you willing ?
:)

How can we do it ''Jim'' ?

Another1
9th July 2013, 02:00
For the folks who know how to move storms around: We're in a long year drought here in Oklahoma (southwest in general) with rivers drying up and local communities starting their fights. One main resevoir lake 20 miles from here is expected to be dry within 2 years. 1,000 miles north of us they are under water from flooding and the rains still come. Can ya do yer magic and move a few of them storms down here? It's win-win-win thing.

hey we should make an exercice here ! Lets put in the Universe the motive to create what Another1 is asking for !
Lets all do it at the same day !

are you willing ?
:)

How can we do it ''Jim'' ?


Wouldn't it be a kick this fall, after record rainfalls make a dent in the drought, to invite news reporters to see the timeline of this thread from off hand comment to brilliant idea and on to manifesting :)

Anchor
9th July 2013, 02:26
For the folks who know how to move storms around: We're in a long year drought here in Oklahoma (southwest in general) with rivers drying up and local communities starting their fights. One main resevoir lake 20 miles from here is expected to be dry within 2 years. 1,000 miles north of us they are under water from flooding and the rains still come. Can ya do yer magic and move a few of them storms down here? It's win-win-win thing.

Good idea. I recommend that you include in your thinking the notion that such rain, when it falls, falls in a manner that is harmless.

There have been instances in the past where people made it rain and caused damaging floods - we don't want that!

When messing with the forces of nature its worth remembering that nature can destroy as well as create. So if you are going to involve yourself in this, be mindful to formulate your envisioned outcomes in a safe way.

Another1
9th July 2013, 02:29
For the folks who know how to move storms around: We're in a long year drought here in Oklahoma (southwest in general) with rivers drying up and local communities starting their fights. One main resevoir lake 20 miles from here is expected to be dry within 2 years. 1,000 miles north of us they are under water from flooding and the rains still come. Can ya do yer magic and move a few of them storms down here? It's win-win-win thing.

Good idea. I recommend that you include in your thinking the notion that such rain, when it falls, falls in a manner that is harmless.

There have been instances in the past where people made it rain and caused damaging floods - we don't want that!

When messing with the forces of nature its worth remembering that nature can destroy as well as create. So if you are going to involve yourself in this, be mindful to formulate your envisioned outcomes in a safe way.

You are inline with the thoughts which arrived after my post. :) ~ It was suggested that we instead seek to neutralize the interferrence already in play and allow nature to do Her thing.

onawah
9th July 2013, 03:07
I suggest you create a Group for members who are interested in this, in case it becomes too interesting to those whose attention it were best not to engage.

Anchor
9th July 2013, 04:12
I suggest you create a Group for members who are interested in this, in case it becomes too interesting to those whose attention it were best not to engage.

Indeed. In the past, I observed patterns of activity like this on the precursor to this forum - where just as some consensus group actions were forming on a regular basis, some drama would spring up to distract it - most of that activity was healing related, but some of it was quite extraordinary - manifesting cars for people that needed a way to get to work, "impossible" loan applications being approved and that sort of thing. This was in the precursor to this forum which you can see archived.

Nat_Lee
9th July 2013, 04:33
I suggest you create a Group for members who are interested in this, in case it becomes too interesting to those whose attention it were best not to engage.

I wanna be a part of it !

Another1
9th July 2013, 09:04
I suggest you create a Group for members who are interested in this, in case it becomes too interesting to those whose attention it were best not to engage.

I wanna be a part of it !


~ bugs me when I forget to be paranoid enough ... to be honest though, from reading all the posts there are two people who don't need any of our help and could likely accomplish the task faster than we could form a group, give it a name, create bylaws and such ...

jiminii
9th July 2013, 11:39
For the folks who know how to move storms around: We're in a long year drought here in Oklahoma (southwest in general) with rivers drying up and local communities starting their fights. One main resevoir lake 20 miles from here is expected to be dry within 2 years. 1,000 miles north of us they are under water from flooding and the rains still come. Can ya do yer magic and move a few of them storms down here? It's win-win-win thing.

hey we should make an exercice here ! Lets put in the Universe the motive to create what Another1 is asking for !
Lets all do it at the same day !

are you willing ?
:)

How can we do it ''Jim'' ?


Wouldn't it be a kick this fall, after record rainfalls make a dent in the drought, to invite news reporters to see the timeline of this thread from off hand comment to brilliant idea and on to manifesting :)

yeah we get enough agreement ...each person has potentially infinite power and knowledge ,.. so we combine those .. we have infinity to the power of how many contribute ... combined forces .. should do it ... What you think?

jiminii
9th July 2013, 11:46
For the folks who know how to move storms around: We're in a long year drought here in Oklahoma (southwest in general) with rivers drying up and local communities starting their fights. One main resevoir lake 20 miles from here is expected to be dry within 2 years. 1,000 miles north of us they are under water from flooding and the rains still come. Can ya do yer magic and move a few of them storms down here? It's win-win-win thing.

Good idea. I recommend that you include in your thinking the notion that such rain, when it falls, falls in a manner that is harmless.

There have been instances in the past where people made it rain and caused damaging floods - we don't want that!

When messing with the forces of nature its worth remembering that nature can destroy as well as create. So if you are going to involve yourself in this, be mindful to formulate your envisioned outcomes in a safe way.

I don't have a weather chart here in asia ... but ... we move the jet stream .. down the pacific coast .. and bring it in between Los Angeles and San Diego .. and see what happens ...

now .. if it is too much rain... just move the jet stream to come in from the pacific ... at Los Angeles or just north of los angles ...
ok I can do this but you guys got to stay in communication so I know if is not hurting anyone one OK?

jim

jiminii
9th July 2013, 11:56
How about Chantal, the tropical storm currently forming in the Atlantic....?
How would one go about disorganizing a storm like that?
Create upper level winds?
Freeze the warm waters of the Caribbean sea?
Return to the moment before the name Chantal was given?

the best way to handle storms is DON"T USE VIA'S .. this means decide exactly how you want the storm to be ,.. if you try things like freeze it .. and other things .. it might not do what you intended it to do ... So i have to go see where it is going .. if it is going to the gulf ... ??? or going up the east coast either way ... decide it will pass by with minimum damage and turn to a regular tropical storm

jim

jiminii
9th July 2013, 12:06
the idea of bringing the jet stream down the pacific ... is if it goes in too high like near washington ... it won't bring the rain where you need it .. so bring it down the west side of the pacific coast lime ... and bring t in lower .. if you bring it down between just north of los angeles .. to between los angeles and san diego .. it should give you storms all across the USA .. if you decide to make the storms normal .. like put in a gentle feel from the (what ever you guys call it .) heart felt smooth and beautiful .. we can make all the weather patterns ... wonderful

the problem with weather is this ... too many people are resisting bad weather ... DON"T RESIST THE WEATHER ... IT ONLY TURNS IT ON MORE .. just pretend ... you are the angel of nice weather ... and you are making everything beautiful and wonderful in all the weather across USA

ok ?

PS iit is better to JOIN weather and be part of it ... then you can get agreed weather control than try to fight it ... treat it like your honey

jim

RunningDeer
9th July 2013, 12:37
The title of this thread is "Re: Can You Feel That?...I Can't". I now see this article is off topic. I've deleted.
:focus:

UPDATE: It was channeled info which brings up a mixed bag of opinions that I have no desire to debate on.

Mike
9th July 2013, 22:17
The title of this thread is "Re: Can You Feel That?...I Can't". I now see this article is off topic. I've deleted.
:focus:


Paula please post the article! Ha! You can't possibly be off-topic here;)

I do have something interesting to report: a member that shall remain nameless (unless they want to be named) wrote me a lovely pm, which described, among other things, some dead on stuff about my personal life. I was quite impressed. Said individual was quite modest as well, which only endeared her to me further.

Maybe not a miracle, but a start. At the risk of sounding extremely corny, maybe the miracle was in all the kind and considerate PM's sent to me by many of the caring and compassionate people here. Thank you all for taking the time to write me!

I have nothing really to add to the thread anymore. Take it wherever you'd like guys!

PurpleLama
9th July 2013, 22:42
Well, I might suggest to Another1, to take time, morning and evening, as the day gives over to night and conversely, to find a place to sit upon the earth, and to spend a few minutes feeling gratitude to the earth, sun and sky, and then to spend a few more minutes imagining as vividly possible all the sensations one would feel if it were raining that moment, the sound, the smell, the wetness of rain falling upon one's head. Utterly safe to do, and might prove to be quite effective.

Anchor
9th July 2013, 23:24
.... to take time, morning and evening, as the day gives over to night and conversely, to find a place to sit upon the earth, and to spend a few minutes feeling gratitude to the earth, sun and sky, and then to spend a few more minutes imagining as vividly possible all the sensations one would feel if it were raining that moment, the sound, the smell, the wetness of rain falling upon one's head.....

Just perfect.

Orph
10th July 2013, 01:15
.... maybe the miracle was in all the kind and considerate PM's sent to me by many of the caring and compassionate people here.
Everything is energy. Think of a mild tornado, and I don't mean the destructive part of it. Think of the wind, whirling around and around as the tornado gently moves in various directions. It's all a dance of energy. And this thread provided a lot of energy. A lot of people joined in, with a lot of emotional energy. And even the people who merely read it, they added their energy here as well. And might I say, what a fine whirlwind of energy it was/is. :clap2:

Edit: And the title of the thread is what?
:grouphug:

Another1
10th July 2013, 01:31
Well, I might suggest to Another1, to take time, morning and evening, as the day gives over to night and conversely, to find a place to sit upon the earth, and to spend a few minutes feeling gratitude to the earth, sun and sky, and then to spend a few more minutes imagining as vividly possible all the sensations one would feel if it were raining that moment, the sound, the smell, the wetness of rain falling upon one's head. Utterly safe to do, and might prove to be quite effective.

Thank you for the tip. Making rain was never on my bucketlist but ya'all make it sound so damn simple I really should give it a go.

This here is part of my minimum daily requirements already, juat need to add the rain on face :)

morning and evening, as the day gives over to night and conversely, to find a place to sit upon the earth, and to spend a few minutes feeling gratitude to the earth, sun and sky,

Dennis Leahy
10th July 2013, 03:19
I have nothing really to add to the thread anymore. Take it wherever you'd like guys!
At the risk of making Mike/Chinaski uncomfortable, I'd like to get back to the "Can you feel that...I can't" original post, as morphed into the concept of healing Mike's (big) heart.

I actually went through the didactics portion of a 'music healing' program (embarrassed that I have yet to complete the internship, but that's yet another off-topic topic), so I am convinced that healing via energy is quite possible. There are known responses to energy vibrations, and we all know this. A laser making corneal cuts (eye surgery) is energy vibrations. Ultrasound can be used to heat or massage internally, within a body. Heat (increased energy) and cold (decreased or slowed energy) on muscle injuries or aches. Massage (tactile energy, with possible/probable "reiki" transfer even from a non reiki practitioner. Musical/Sound energy's ability to excite or calm us, computer interfaces for quadriplegics that interpret brain "waves" to fire computer commands, even provocative sexual talk can alter our physiology without making any physical contact...

We know energy can be sent through the air and can have a healing effect. We KNOW this. It ain't placebo.

Now we leap outward a bit: how far away can someone be and make this happen? Depends on the energy type and source, I suppose. Among the most difficult to understand has to be remote healing. Our other energy sources were easy to confirm with measuring devices, but all seem to be direct path (line of sight) phenomena. But we know some types of energy can be "bounced" (think of AM radio or Ham radio waves.) Or, is remote healing an entirely different process, one where the sender is not making direct contact with the "target" person but rather connecting to some other "actuator" that IS local to the target person? Maybe the actuator IS the target person themselves, or maybe the actuator is a spirit guide of the target person, or...?

Can the energy of a number of individuals, working in concert, amplify this energy?

This was just a huge pile of rhetorical questions. If someone wants to share the specifics of how remote healing is accomplished (or how they believe it is accomplished), maybe start another thread - it would be interesting, but I wanna get back to...

Mike/chinaski has agreed to be open to healing his heart condition. I know several of you are probably already way ahead of me, but I'd like to ask this for my friend: would all who have this ability, and all who believe they might have this ability, send healing energy to Mike's heart.* Starting right now. Maybe there is scar tissue or other reasons that this won't be able to be "instantaneous." Not to worry, just keep sending healing energy. Mike is a very honest guy, and he won't placate us by pretending, nor will he hide success.

Ready? Set. Go.

Dennis

*(for Mike's greater good and with unconditional love)

Bubu
10th July 2013, 03:24
So many views indeed, It’s because mind also is multidimensional, thus one word can have many interpretation, depending on what plane of existence the interpreters mind is. Reading through this thread is like navigating from one plane of mind to another in each in every post. Takes time to read, but I enjoy it like seeing things on many perspective without actually going somewhere. Also I’m glad that there is less of the “my ability” post let’s hope to keep it that way.
Speaking of “my ability” I think raf is right on the dot.


[QUOTE=RMorgan;698637]Chinaski,

However, I have to say that most part of these people are just talkers...Just check out James Randy´s challenge; The man is offering up to a million dollars to anyone who´s able to prove their paranormal skills under rigorously controlled scientific experimental conditions, and no one was up to the challenge so far. QUOTE]

My concern is that it might not sink deep enough to the intended parties so let me add some more weight.

If someone is not interested or cannot give proof of his claim then he/she better keep the claim to himself. You be doing your thing better if you put your concentration in your ability rather than claiming and trying to prove claims with words. There is no point in this especially if you insert it in almost every post. I'm not saying that the ability as claimed does not exist. Although as the saying goes " Tin can clatter loudly when it is empty"

To answer mikes question. I think there are many post that gives wise answer it is up to you how you perceive it. But let me add just a simple reminder. Everything will come on it's own time by it's own way. Everything is preset although you may have the illusion of freewill or choice but the choice is ultimately influence to arrive at predetermined result including your choice of making choice.

Seikou-Kishi
10th July 2013, 03:45
I do believe the capacity exists to sense things in a manner beyond the ordinary senses. How capable the current state of humanity is at using those skills is another question entirely. Either way, the original post was mercilessly witty. If we cannot admit that sometimes we get carried away with ourselves, or laugh at our foibles, well, it's a poor show.

markpierre
10th July 2013, 06:06
Hey MarkPierre, sounds like we're on the same team. I'm sending you a psychic high-five as we speak(write).

Many of our channelers come to mind here: same message! every time!

Same team. The problem I have with channeled messages for the masses, is that they may generally be giving some fundamentally sound advice i.e. 'look within'. Same advice a guru should be giving.
Still the devotees regard the guru as something different and special, and won't answer their own questions.

You had an extraordinary lesson in valuing yourself enough to overcome your sickness.
Though I won't regard sickness as a problem anymore, but a learning 'event', that has a specific purpose toward a specific understanding of ourselves.
If you still regard it as a problem or a handicap, have a look at what it brought you in terms of how your values changed, how you value your time here, and what else you might be able to accomplish with the same level of incentive.
If you can't be proactive, you might get more opportunity that looks like 'do or die'.
I can't feel anything but grateful for those do it or die opportunities. It means to me that I'm committed.
I might not otherwise know that.
Few people understand that succumbing to health problems is a decision against themselves.

Your frustration is from not keeping your observations where they can be useful to you. On your own thoughts and actions.
It's not ours or anyone's business what anyone else thinks or believes or does. Human conscious awareness in all its glory translated through personalities is fundamentally insane. It believes it's thoughts have value.
I gave up having any expectation of what's acceptable human behavior.

I'm pretty impatient with the world, but if it seems as if nothing is happening, it's in me where the nothing is happening.
I don't experience that often but when I did, it was because I was still sitting on the fence.
But even that was an experience. 'I'm sitting on the fence'.
As quickly as the thought, the fence becomes too uncomfortable.
Look at how you've changed. Observe yourself changing. Watch yourself pass through your day and what you do with your thoughts, all of them, and where you do and don't pass judgements differently than a moment ago.
Those are the only issues in the world that need answers.

From the viewpoint of a healer, you don't need any help. You're doing fine.

Sunny-side-up
10th July 2013, 10:17
One simple thought on sending healing energy's!

One can be isolated and be in ill health, needs help, needs energy's.

One can be in contact with the collective selves, in contact with the collective consciousness, collective cosmic self/energy, oneness!

One in contact knows/believes and can tune into the free cosmic energy and can spread it.

One who needs help needs to be in greater contact.
This can simply be done by believing
So when someone who believes they can send healing energy's they are merely helping break the isolating from the oneness.

This can be done by tuning in to the cosmic-collective-consciousness (Oneness that we are) and so with intent send it to that part of it's self (you) that needs it.

I send to you healing, you become deeper/nearer to the collective consciousness the I. This dione Just because I became nearer to you in energy with intent! Nearer to me, us, I

So in effect i'm sending it to me, you are an aspect of the collective consciousness, we all are until we rejoin.

So sending healing energies is simple a matter of intent to heal self.

Love and Hugs

Sunny-side-up
10th July 2013, 11:50
.... maybe the miracle was in all the kind and considerate PM's sent to me by many of the caring and compassionate people here.
Everything is energy. Think of a mild tornado, and I don't mean the destructive part of it. Think of the wind, whirling around and around as the tornado gently moves in various directions. It's all a dance of energy. And this thread provided a lot of energy. A lot of people joined in, with a lot of emotional energy. And even the people who merely read it, they added their energy here as well. And might I say, what a fine whirlwind of energy it was/is. :clap2:

Edit: And the title of the thread is what?
:grouphug:

I have found and believe that things will work if there is a JUST-CAUSE for it.

When you first try and experiment 'Say Rain Making' that in it's self is JUST-CAUSE and so will eventually work! but once you have proven to yourself leave it there, unless a real need for it arises!

At my present point in time and beliefs I feel I don't need add too much emotion or visualization to my intended good energies usage!
I feel from the heart, with the heart, in my heat for something that I intend to happen. That contains enough true emotion for it to simply happen, or have a knock on effect that helps it happen OK!.

I'm not saying don't use added visual and feelings to your intended actions but to me it seems like a shorting out of energy from my intensions! (shorting out of energy = Matrix, (Matrix is made by us as we add visualization into our desired lives))

#Side note:
If you try Cloud Busting remember! you are in effect tampering with the natural flow of nature and the weather! That cloud might have gone on to rain somewhere were it was meant/needed!#

To just use for fun and or to show off or to prove to some small world minded DE-bunker like Randy it probably wont work because it is not attempted for a just reason, Randy is not a just reason!


Think on this as well:
If you push and bend the energies into powers for your ego it has become the Black Arts, so be careful!

Debunkers will always be in realms where things such as mind powers wont work,
If you believe!
you are in a raised vibration realm which is where it will work.Such realms are outside of the DE-bunkers lives, For now that is, I say for now because I believe the higher vibration realm will/is soon to merge on a greater level,
powers are growing in that higher realm and they will start flooding over lower realms.
We in our beliefs are opening the cracks to help let the Higher vibs through!
I can feel it!

Posted by Chinaski (here)

.... maybe the miracle was in all the kind and considerate PM's sent to me by many of the caring and compassionate people here.

I'm glad you have had many such PM's dear Chinaski. I hope you soon start to feel all the energies of healing and wellbeing that have also been sent, are being sent to you!

I can feel it!

Justintime
10th July 2013, 12:06
For the folks who know how to move storms around: We're in a long year drought here in Oklahoma (southwest in general) with rivers drying up and local communities starting their fights. One main resevoir lake 20 miles from here is expected to be dry within 2 years. 1,000 miles north of us they are under water from flooding and the rains still come. Can ya do yer magic and move a few of them storms down here? It's win-win-win thing.

Good idea. I recommend that you include in your thinking the notion that such rain, when it falls, falls in a manner that is harmless.

There have been instances in the past where people made it rain and caused damaging floods - we don't want that!

When messing with the forces of nature its worth remembering that nature can destroy as well as create. So if you are going to involve yourself in this, be mindful to formulate your envisioned outcomes in a safe way.

I don't have a weather chart here in asia ... but ... we move the jet stream .. down the pacific coast .. and bring it in between Los Angeles and San Diego .. and see what happens ...

now .. if it is too much rain... just move the jet stream to come in from the pacific ... at Los Angeles or just north of los angles ...
ok I can do this but you guys got to stay in communication so I know if is not hurting anyone one OK?

jim

I've been checking out the weather lately in Oklahoma just for fun and wouldn't you know there is a small amount of rain coming in right now from wouldn't you know a system that looks like its coming from in between Los Angeles and San Diego. Wow, that s truly incredible. Anyways, may I recommend a system moving in from the Gulf of Mexico instead through Houston. It seems to be a more direct approach.

Justintime
10th July 2013, 12:17
I'm sorry, actually it looks like its coming off the tail of a huge system that's over MO right now, there's a little one between LA and SD too, got excited. I still recommend the Gulf and Houston though.

Good day to you all.