What if time is on our side?

[RUSirius]

I didn't know what to title this thread, so sorry if its misleading in anyway. Much is discussed about the NWO game plan and America being ground zero. I have no facts, just thoughts, as gripreaper has stated so accurately many times the game plan is here, the systems are probably completely in place and we should not talk about what is going on as if it is not already here. This thought arises because I will be living in the states soon. I've spent the last 3 years "prepping" in a third world country only to find myself going back to the place I left, thing is, its no different in this third world country, I can tell you first hand the NWO game plan and police state systems is in place and growing here as well with little to know resistance and seemingly total complacency and buy in, all seems to be falling in order. I've learned alot about hope in my life, and to a degree hope seems useless, no matter how much hope, if hope is all ones got than what will be will be regardless of what one hopes. In my game plan for moving back to the states and planning and timelining, you know, gotta get this done and that done and this done before that, I've recognized that all the planning and timelining I did to move away and what I thought would happen and when, was completely wrong, hands down, nothing like what I thought would happen, happened except for more news. So I asked myself what is the damn point since clearly I have no idea about what will happen and when, why stress so much over the planning, just do what needs to be done as it arises and dont sweat the rest. I must put myself in the place of "less thought" and more let be and do. Is this a case of cognitive dissonance? Or is this a big game of musical chairs where we just keep doin stuff until the music stops and then we either run for a chair or fall down? What if the music does not stop at all? Strange times abide indeed. I dont really have a point, or if I do, I'm not quite sure what it is yet, but feel free to comment if so compelled to do.

[donk]

I'm with you bro. Once you accept it is here, you realize that "the best laid plans..." Are usually a waste of time, or at least not what expected as far as outcome. That's why all you can do is live in the here & now, stay alert, and prepare yourself (by truly knowing yourself) to be able to "go with the flow"...wherever that may lead. While staying ever vigilant for any opportunities to make your reality a better place, for you and those around you. Much love, phil

[william r sanford72]

for me when i began to see the numbers 2 years ago..1111 1414 2020 444 111 1212 on and on every where on clocks..something happend right away...it smashed my conception of linear time..our slave clock...poof!!gone...i dont do timelines anymore cause o the numbers..that was the first lesson the numbers taught me...so sometimes you just gotta go with the flow..and adjust as bumps appear..trust your soul.it is a talking.listen.

[TargeT]

You can use a lot of "prepping" to just make your life more comfortable, healthy and independant.

That's the kind of prepping I'm interested in, Solar power, big gardens, maybe some animals... I think this is another good topic (as most things are) to apply moderation to.

but Stress over it? Nah, no point in that.

[Bill Ryan]

This thought arises because I will be living in the states soon. I've spent the last 3 years "prepping" in a third world country only to find myself going back to the place I left, thing is, its no different in this third world country, I can tell you first hand the NWO game plan and police state systems is in place and growing here as well with little to know resistance and seemingly total complacency and buy in, all seems to be falling in order.

Actually, there may be two aspects to your post -- which I think is a very thought provoking and interesting one.


Is it really safer anywhere else than in the US?
Do we have more time to 'prepare' than we think?

Yes, there's no one place in the world any more to hide out and ride out everything that might happen -- unless you're in the mountains of Bhutan (but even there, the Chinese border patrols might find you!), or on a South Pacific island where you'd have to live on fish and bananas for the rest of your life, completely cut off. The days have long gone where you could just move to Africa (as my own parents did after the war), and totally get away from it all.

Yes, electronic systems, traffic cameras, and a growing amount of bureaucratic documentation and paperwork are in place in Ecuador, too. The matrix is here as well. I understand that it's spreading all over, and there's no real escape.

But in Ecuador, they're not very good at processing their data: they often make big mistakes, there's a huge amount of inefficiency, and computer systems don't work properly or are not fully implemented. There's a lot of chaos, which is sometimes irritating -- but sometimes very helpful. :)

Because it's a small country, as well (where there really are a lot of good people, and I and my friends have found many of them), it's easy to find oneself talking personally to a senior decision-making official when trying to iron out a problem. Some of those officials have been heroic in their attempts to lend us a hand. Try doing that in the US -- it will not wok for the average man or woman. There is still a lot of humanity here.

Surveillance is a global issue. If you're on gmail or Facebook, whether you're in New York, Quito, Lagos or Delhi, it's all the same. It's all being read and captured.

For me, one reason I'm NOT in the US (although I have a perfectly valid visa and can be there quite legally) is that the worst-case scenario really is a heavy martial crackdown on the population after a series of staged events. There really are lists of targeted 'domestic extremists', and I'd certainly be on them, not too far from the top.

So would many others, of course, but becoming a martyr is not my game plan. I had already deliberately intended to stay well away from the melt-down and then assist in the recovery and rebuild (and offer leadership, clarity and direction if needed). One cannot do that from within a camp -- and the camps are real.

All that begs the question of whether this stuff will happen (and if so, when, which is the second part of your question). I'm not 100% certain that it will.

But I think it probably will, sometime in the next year. And it could be pretty nasty. I hope I'm wrong, and this is not an eat-my-hat bet. Miracles and transformations are possible. But I still have the spare tire in my trunk, and I think this is one of my missions this lifetime: to help with 'insurance' in case some bad things happen.

My pint-on-the-bar-room-table thoughts:


Probably will = 80%.
Could be pretty nasty = 40%.

"Nasty" here = a very major and traumatic 9-11 type event, troops in the streets, individuals interned without trial, closure (or serious limiting) of the net, etc.

I hope I'm wrong. But this might be what you're going back to, if you're returning to the US. And this won't happen in Ecuador, or Guyana.

To the second part of your question. How much time have we got?

The can keeps being kicked down the road. I'm a little surprised that we're here already (July 2013) with no global financial collapse, major war in the Middle East, or appalling false-flag event that kills thousands. This is not fear-mongering or neurosis. It's stark, look-it-in-the-face, carefully evaluated, courageous reality.

I often use the analogy that we're tracking Europe in the 1930s. We're watching Hitler carefully, many of our friends don't want to listen to our concerns, and some of us are planning to leave Germany and Poland before it's too late.

I used to say that it's like 1938. Now, I find myself saying it's like 1937-38. That might give us an extra six months. :)

But if any Jewish friends I knew in London told me they were planning to return to Berlin, I'd say: don't do it.

[CD7]

Great point!! I think its important to get the idea across tht EVERYWHERE we are dealing with the same 8 legged octopus. The drawn lines in the sand really are no boundary for what WE are all experiencing in varying degrees.

To contemplate and worry about a "future event" is fruitless as things are changing IN THE MOMENT all the time....

However a lot of us on here and other places who are paying attention may be more prepared then say those who haven't given it a thought at all----In my perspective its more of a consciousness preparation more then anything else..


So WELCOME to this side of the ship again :)

[write4change]

I consider Bill's post a realistic analysis in which my experience coincides deep in the heart of rural bs Texas.

[william r sanford72]

i am with Bill..as far as feeling like i need to be here..not as a martyr.but to help if i can after.also camps..everyone .i mean everyone in this house has had dreams of these camps..not even dreams..something altogather differant.i have seen these camps..what they could become.comparing this current timeline ..and the usa with the jewish people leaving before the ****e hit the fan..the ones that didnt listen..or refused the truth of the nazi agenda..is spot on scary.and a hella example to hit home what is and could come to this reality.

[indigopete]

I'm living in northern Spain at the moment.

Despite being quite a NWO, "Euro-friendly" country, I must say there is a healthy distrust of authority here.

Or, if I put it another way, the people that staff the authorities (like the cops) are probably not all that reliable if it came to implementing a "crackdown".

It's only 40 years since they had a proper fascist government of their own and I don't think they're too keen to repeat the experience just yet.

<VERY TRIVIAL EXAMPLE>
I live in a block. The phone was acting up. The junction box for the block is outside at street level and regularly gets "pummelled" by the market vans that line up there on a Saturday. My broadband speed tests had dropped to about 1.5 Gbit and had become unbearable for a web addict like me.

I went downstairs, out to the street and spent a couple of hours pairing the wires and fixing the box. During that time about 4 police cars stopped and asked me what I was up to. I told them the story and they promptly offered their sympathy, told me to try not to electrocute myself and went on their way.

If that had been the UK (my native country) or the Netherlands (a friend of mine's native country) I'm sure I would have been interrogated on the basis of some anti-terrorism law or something and prevented form continuing.
</VERY TRIVIAL EXAMPLE>

Another thing is airport security and passport control - they are laid back. When I go back to the Scotland (my native country) it's all microwave booths and 2 layers of detectives. Here it's just a friendly nod.

There are very few CCTV cameras here. People would just never put up with the levels of surveillance that goes on in Northern Europe. It's something that they immediately notice and associate with an authoritarian, surveillance oriented regime, not with public safety. (That's the job of families :).

Although political corruption is endemic, the thing about it is that everyone's at it, so it's not so easy to control by the PTB (in my opinion that is) as when you've got a nice, highly organised, hierarchical society.

Finally, if the worst comes to the worst and as long as your not in a jail, you can always go to the beach and forget about the NWO for a while. Probably the most effective way for the authorities to create the most almighty, universally subscribed peoples backlash would be to stop them from doing that :)

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[giovonni]

No matter where you go your always with yourself ...
i have found when i work on myself first (adjust within) ...
Then wherever i am physically (in time) i feel good about things to come ... :)

[4evrneo]

One of my favorite sayings is "Live like water" and if I can find the story behind it I will post it. But, for quite some time I had been wanting to leave the US and now that the possibility looks dim I am learning some useful skills to keep me busy and prepared...Learning gardening, and how to build a strawbale home/shelter is on my current curriculum. And possibly moving this December to Colorado, away from the city in Phoenix...

Good luck to you and


"Live like water"



Going with the Flow
A Taoist story tells of an old man who accidentally fell into the river rapids leading to a high and dangerous waterfall. Onlookers feared for his life. Miraculously, he came out alive and unharmed downstream at the bottom of the falls. People asked him how he managed to survive.
"I accommodated myself to the water, not the water to me. Without thinking, I allowed myself to be shaped by it. Plunging into the swirl, I came out with the swirl. This is how I survived."

[Ernie Nemeth]

When I first read what you said, I thought of a few critical moments in my life when I felt fed up with the prevalent thinking. The first time it was ESP - and I gave it up. The next one was science and its standard model - and I gave that up too. Then there was the new spiritual movement - eventually, I gave that up as well. Then came the conspriracy venue - yup, pretty much done. And the self-improvement continues...soon there will be only me and my thoughts, at this rate - then that will be gone too.

[skippy]

Interesting thread. I would like to add to the discussion the hypothesis that nobody is in control. For sure, a few are trying to seek control (or organise some sort of dammage control the day after the SHTF) but the sand is slipping between their fingers and they know it. An island +/- 20 km from the continent is probably to best place to seek refuge (or a cave somewhere in Ecuador or Peru :-). Let's collect funds and buy an island.. This is not a joke.. :cool:

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[good point]

Is this a case of cognitive dissonance?

'Dissonance is patriotic' is a phrase I read on a shirt a person was wearing once.

[spiritguide]

Regardless of outcome or time, any moment in existence will be the call heard to assist those in need. Mortality is just a detour in this trip called eternity. Bring it on, I'm ready for righteousness. IMHO

Peace be with you!

[RUSirius]

Hey Bill 80% and 40%, you could be right, however 20% and 60% are pretty good odds as well, such interesting and non-interesting times all at the same time. I'll wait and move and see.

[RMorgan]

Hey Bill 80% and 40%, you could be right, however 20% and 60% are pretty good odds as well, such interesting and non-interesting times all at the same time. I'll wait and move and see.

Hey brother,

I know how you feel.

Honestly, do whatever you want...Don´t allow your life to be controlled by rumors and fear porn.

There´s simply no way to know...Guessing possibilities ratios is a waste of time; There are so many dynamic variables that it´s impossible to know them all, let alone calculating what may or may not happen.

You may very well spend your whole life as a prepper just to eventually die of old age without ever witnessing the expected disastrous events...Or you might find yourself right in the middle of Armageddon without ever expecting it.

So, my advice is to enjoy life. If you´re happy right there where you are, stay. If you feel like you´ll be happier somewhere else, move.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Bill Ryan]

"Live like water"

Going with the Flow
A Taoist story tells of an old man who accidentally fell into the river rapids leading to a high and dangerous waterfall. Onlookers feared for his life. Miraculously, he came out alive and unharmed downstream at the bottom of the falls. People asked him how he managed to survive.
"I accommodated myself to the water, not the water to me. Without thinking, I allowed myself to be shaped by it. Plunging into the swirl, I came out with the swirl. This is how I survived."

Like this, right?

:)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZUeFzuK6LM

[Justintime]

I didn't know what to title this thread, so sorry if its misleading in anyway. Much is discussed about the NWO game plan and America being ground zero. I have no facts, just thoughts, as gripreaper has stated so accurately many times the game plan is here, the systems are probably completely in place and we should not talk about what is going on as if it is not already here. This thought arises because I will be living in the states soon. I've spent the last 3 years "prepping" in a third world country only to find myself going back to the place I left, thing is, its no different in this third world country, I can tell you first hand the NWO game plan and police state systems is in place and growing here as well with little to know resistance and seemingly total complacency and buy in, all seems to be falling in order. I've learned alot about hope in my life, and to a degree hope seems useless, no matter how much hope, if hope is all ones got than what will be will be regardless of what one hopes. In my game plan for moving back to the states and planning and timelining, you know, gotta get this done and that done and this done before that, I've recognized that all the planning and timelining I did to move away and what I thought would happen and when, was completely wrong, hands down, nothing like what I thought would happen, happened except for more news. So I asked myself what is the damn point since clearly I have no idea about what will happen and when, why stress so much over the planning, just do what needs to be done as it arises and dont sweat the rest. I must put myself in the place of "less thought" and more let be and do. Is this a case of cognitive dissonance? Or is this a big game of musical chairs where we just keep doin stuff until the music stops and then we either run for a chair or fall down? What if the music does not stop at all? Strange times abide indeed. I dont really have a point, or if I do, I'm not quite sure what it is yet, but feel free to comment if so compelled to do.

I may be in the minority on this website, but I do not believe there is a NWO or an OWO or anything of that nature. I would just say there is a ruling elite ( a small group of rulers who are very very very rich and want to keep it that way). That being said I think the ruling elite have it just as good now as they have ever had it and want more and more and more subjects to rule and exploit. So the rounding up of people to put in reeducation camps, population reduction, taking away the second amendment, chipping people, establishing a one world government, I'm just not buying any of this. It's all unnecessary to further their agenda of making money. In fact some of it is counterproductive to making money. If I was part of the ruling elite I would want to rule as many dumb and desperate people as possible. And guess what, the USA already is ground zero for desperate and stupid breeders.

[RUSirius]

I may be in the minority on this website, but I do not believe there is a NWO or an OWO or anything of that nature

You may be correct my friend, however I can assure you we speak about the same people, just different words for them.

[Bill Ryan]

So the rounding up of people to put in reeducation camps, population reduction, taking away the second amendment, chipping people, establishing a one world government, I'm just not buying any of this. It's all unnecessary to further their agenda of making money. In fact some of it is counterproductive to making money.


But it's not about money, you see. It's about power and control.

That's the aphrodisiac. These guys are multi-billionaires already. They don't need any more.

When Hitler decided to exterminate the Jews, because of an agenda he had about eugenics and racial domination, this was nothing to do with money.

[Justintime]

They have all the power they could want now and who knows the means by which they will try to advance their party line. If they wanted to secretly chip us they could have done so already. If they want to spy on us oh wait they already have and are;) if they wanted to mind f us, oh wait they can do it already and are. I get that they get off on control, murder and power, but come on, this supposed acopaplypse put on by the ruling elite was suppose to happen since forever ago.

[novus]

So the rounding up of people to put in reeducation camps, population reduction, taking away the second amendment, chipping people, establishing a one world government, I'm just not buying any of this. It's all unnecessary to further their agenda of making money. In fact some of it is counterproductive to making money.


But it's not about money, you see. It's about power and control.

That's the aphrodisiac. These guys are multi-billionaires already. They don't need any more.

When Hitler decided to exterminate the Jews, because of an agenda he had about eugenics and racial domination, this was nothing to do with money.

I think so to.

The old cliche, "follow the money" doesn't always apply. The majority of us need and use money to better our lives. Because most of us are good and have a hard time imagining others using money to enslave others, it puts us at a disadvantage.

[donk]

They have all the power they could want now and who knows the means by which they will try to advance their party line. If they wanted to secretly chip us they could have done so already. If they want to spy on us oh wait they already have and are;) if they wanted to mind f us, oh wait they can do it already and are. I get that they get off on control, murder and power, but come on, this supposed acopaplypse put on by the ruling elite was suppose to happen since forever ago.

The "supposed apocolypse" is a ruse, a distraction...I think Orwell was on to something...think 1984

[Justintime]

Yeah I think Orwell was on the payroll

[donk]

What difference does that make? Playbook or prophecy, it’s come along quite nicely (for them), ain't it? And if I remember correctly, $$$ wasn’t Big Brother’s motivator…

[donk]

Not to mention: doesn’t it beg the question…what kind of being lives for (gets energy from) **_____**?

**(money, control, fear, fill in whatever you feel the societal motivators of “civilization” you like)

[Fred Steeves]

In this instance I've come to see people like walking, talking acupuncture needles upon this planet (if they're getting into sync with things anyway). We each have a certain energy signature, and that energy has a precise match to a corresponding energy point on the Earth's surface. There is absolutely nothing to figure out intellectually concerning where that place is, simply going with the "flow" will place us where we are supposed to be.

This is the place where things start to roll, and magic is in the air.

I concur 100% with Bill that my country (the U.S.) is eerily similar to latter 1930's Germany, and we have all come to know that history has a way of repeating itself over and over again. That being said, there is no Universal Law I'm aware of which states this MUST be so. Maybe the worst happens, but then again maybe it doesn't. Maybe the place of greatest danger, also represents the place of greatest opportunity to Create a different outcome. Maybe even something very special...

We're all in this thing together, so no matter where we are, I hope when the director yells "places everyone, places!", that we're already in our proper places.

Even though it's tough times for you right now Jeff, I'm glad you're going to be here. If you ever make it over Knoxville way give me a yell man. I'll buy the beer!

Cheers, http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/cheers.gif

Fred

[Justintime]

Not to mention: doesn’t it beg the question…what kind of being lives for (gets energy from) **_____**?

**(money, control, fear, fill in whatever you feel the societal motivators of “civilization” you like)
You could say we all do. It would be a grave mistake to believe what they do I do not or can not we all would and do on some scale.

[donk]

I can say I try not to. That any time I have, it was not truly me, rather my cultural programming--which never felt right to me. It is not who I am.

I think we are in agreement "civilized socitey" is dysfunctional, but I no longer believe it is "human nature"...in fact, I believe that is a "big lie".

But that's just me...

[Justintime]

I can say I try not to. That any time I have, it was not truly me, rather my cultural programming--which never felt right to me.

I think we are in agreement "civilized socitey" is dysfunctional, I no longer believe it is "human nature"...in fact, I believe that is a "big lie".

But that's just me...

Yes, I do think that we have been programmed to believe certain things about ourselves and I don't know what human nature truly is. I'm not sure we know what anything in its natural state would be as well. I suspect foul play , however to give all the power and blame of this foul play to an all elusive, seemingly all powerful,"other," to me is not a productive way of thinking. If our lack of thought control, our own ability to control our thoughts, has given way to a stage whereby our hidden thoughts or shadow self is running a muck, well, it's still in our control then. I can wake up with a sense of purpose and think, what I do matters and what I think can change the world, well that's powerful, that's productive.

Ironically, I don't think this very often.

[gripreaper]

Not to mention: doesn’t it beg the question…what kind of being lives for (gets energy from) **_____**?

One who is bereft of a soul, disconnected from the source field, and is vampiring energy from others because it does not have the ability to sustain a heart centered amalgamation of energy flowing through it. In other words, a functionally dead psychopathic alien zombie.

But, look in the mirror when you talk about energy vampirism, as we have all been taught to partake in vamping others, through "competition" and survival of the fittest mentality. Who are the fittest? Those who can use their fellow man to aggrandize themselves for personal hedonism and desire, based on a paradigm of scarcity and limited resources taught to us by these psychopathic parasites.
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The establishment kool-aid sits on every dinner table, and we all drink from it, either wittingly or unwittingly. We eat from the fruits of the exploitations of the planet, and vomit upon our plates that which we loathe, as we regurgitate from fear of lack.

We are not separate from it. Our very DNA is spliced, programmed, and resonant to the very core of our being. If we push our chairs away from the table and say, I will not partake of this meal any longer, we risk starvation without a new paradigm of energy from which to sustain us. We are the children of the matrix, the very chimeric hybrids who hold this reality of this hologram in place.

So, while we shake our fists at the castle walls, and shout out to our oppressors for the evil which they have perpetrated upon us, stealing the original heritage of the indigenous souls who were doing just fine before these aliens came and hybridized us, and splicing into our very core the attributes which we say we loathe, we do not really loathe them.

We use every day, the sciences, the mathematics, the horticulture, the astrology, the astronomy, and the medicines which they brought. The indigenous species took a huge leap in evolution due to the joinder of our selves with these god beings from space.

If we want to change the nature of who we are, then we need to go within and denounce and control those very aspects we loathe, within ourselves. The problem is never "out there" and neither are the answers. We need to accept our nature, own it, and husband it for it's true heart and soul, the true spiritual evolution of what we agreed to do here on this planet.

This hybridization and melding of the indigenous with an alien species, was not done under duress. We allowed it, were culpable in it's creation, and therefore are just as responsible for the outcome today, however many millions of years later, as we were the day it happened.

Until we own this at our deepest core, we are shouting at the wind and our intentions do not ground and coalesce within the matrix of creation. We did it. Own it.

[Observer1964]

"Live like water"

Going with the Flow
A Taoist story tells of an old man who accidentally fell into the river rapids leading to a high and dangerous waterfall. Onlookers feared for his life. Miraculously, he came out alive and unharmed downstream at the bottom of the falls. People asked him how he managed to survive.
"I accommodated myself to the water, not the water to me. Without thinking, I allowed myself to be shaped by it. Plunging into the swirl, I came out with the swirl. This is how I survived."

Like this, right?

:)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZUeFzuK6LM

Great quote and much how I feel it personally. I believed the Earth would shift her poles back in 5-5-2000 becoz the planets all aligned and i saw some documantaries about it, then 12-21-2012 and those dates just came and went and nuthing happened. And I do believe at some point it might happen... but on the other hand, what if our behaviour determins the outcome like the observer effect in quantum physics, and every doom-profecy is like a warning upon wich we react and thus change the outcome, like someone warns you for danger so you change whatever u were doing and avoid that danger and so it never happens...

So maybe we are all doing what we should be doing...

[Sunny-side-up]

Well I've nothing new to add to this post, all great and wise words have been spoken!
but!
I will wish you a safe and happy journey when the time comes RUSirius and let it be the time of your choice.

[RUSirius]

In this instance I've come to see people like walking, talking acupuncture needles upon this planet (if they're getting into sync with things anyway). We each have a certain energy signature, and that energy has a precise match to a corresponding energy point on the Earth's surface. There is absolutely nothing to figure out intellectually concerning where that place is, simply going with the "flow" will place us where we are supposed to be.

This is the place where things start to roll, and magic is in the air.

I concur 100% with Bill that my country (the U.S.) is eerily similar to latter 1930's Germany, and we have all come to know that history has a way of repeating itself over and over again. That being said, there is no Universal Law I'm aware of which states this MUST be so. Maybe the worst happens, but then again maybe it doesn't. Maybe the place of greatest danger, also represents the place of greatest opportunity to Create a different outcome. Maybe even something very special...

We're all in this thing together, so no matter where we are, I hope when the director yells "places everyone, places!", that we're already in our proper places.

Even though it's tough times for you right now Jeff, I'm glad you're going to be here. If you ever make it over Knoxville way give me a yell man. I'll buy the beer!

Cheers, http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/cheers.gif

Fred

Fred, remember I've got family in Knoxville and I'll be seein you pretty soon. I'm going where you have left my friend, the good ole sunshine state.

[thunder24]

I knew I liked your style... Knoxville you say, interesting... maybe you should join the volunteers...



In this instance I've come to see people like walking, talking acupuncture needles upon this planet (if they're getting into sync with things anyway). We each have a certain energy signature, and that energy has a precise match to a corresponding energy point on the Earth's surface. There is absolutely nothing to figure out intellectually concerning where that place is, simply going with the "flow" will place us where we are supposed to be.

This is the place where things start to roll, and magic is in the air.

I concur 100% with Bill that my country (the U.S.) is eerily similar to latter 1930's Germany, and we have all come to know that history has a way of repeating itself over and over again. That being said, there is no Universal Law I'm aware of which states this MUST be so. Maybe the worst happens, but then again maybe it doesn't. Maybe the place of greatest danger, also represents the place of greatest opportunity to Create a different outcome. Maybe even something very special...

We're all in this thing together, so no matter where we are, I hope when the director yells "places everyone, places!", that we're already in our proper places.

Even though it's tough times for you right now Jeff, I'm glad you're going to be here. If you ever make it over Knoxville way give me a yell man. I'll buy the beer!

Cheers, http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/cheers.gif

Fred

Fred, remember I've got family in Knoxville and I'll be seein you pretty soon. I'm going where you have left my friend, the good ole sunshine state.

[Finefeather]

I have in mind a larger possibility than just been controlled by these dark brothers...which in comparison can result in a delay in our consciousness growth of millions of years.
It is known by some that Lemuria and Atlantis went down because of incompatibility with the plan of the forces of light, of which we are part of...even if most may not know this.
Few on this forum have considered that there comes a time when chaos needs to be eliminated, and the only viable option to restore the plan on earth...a plan which is been constantly attacked by the dark forces inhabiting our planet. America seems to be the center or hub of these dark forces...who are extremely money and power oriented and everything is about "profit to me and loss to you...no matter what I need to do". So planetary upheaval seems to be most evident in some way or another...only this time, if it is war, we might be unwittingly fighting on the side of the dark forces. Major planetary catastrophe cannot be overlooked.

This plan, of the forces of light, which is, the continuation of consciousness, from one incarnation to another, and unity of the collective minds of the human race is under severe and serious disruption.

The biggest problem right now is NOT that we are been prevented from growth by planned and deliberate bad education...but rather prevented from recalling our knowledge from previous lives. Once we become aware of a life of love it is easy to grow spiritually...but if we never become aware of this there is no growth.

Most humans on this planet have been incarnating for around 20 million years...and we have all had 10s of thousands of incarnation on this and other planets...so there is no lack of subconscious or latent knowledge from our past lives...we never loose anything we have learnt...the past knowledge reappears in the form of instincts and remembrance...IF the conditions are right. Each incarnation is a new beginning, in terms of our various envelopes or bodies which are created when we incarnate...our subconscious is our history and if we do not have the proper upbringing to recall our knowledge from our past we just end up like simple morons who are been fed and mind indoctrinated by the ignorant...a vicious circle which needs to be broken.

How do we break this cycle? We basically have to confine our children to areas where the 'positive force' is been lived out day to day...something not unlike the mormons of old...we need to be able to bring children up in a society where the forces of light are in full control...only this will normalize the plan on earth...the problem is how do we do this?

It starts with moving out of the cities and back to the open grounds where we are far away from supporting the commercial exploitation we see in the world today. It continues with sacrificing all the unnecessary things we buy and hoard just to keep up with the Jones's. It means realizing that we are all united because we are one consciousness...one mind...in the heart, where love resides.

Take care
Ray

[Justintime]

"Fred, remember I've got family in Knoxville and I'll be seein you pretty soon. I'm going where you have left my friend, the good ole sunshine state."

Well, welcome back to Florida! :cool: I hope everything goes well for ya. I've really grown to love Florida, hopefully you will too.

[mosquito]

As someone who's been travelling around trying to find the place where I can live, grow spiritually and hopefully even raise children, I can confirm that there is nowhere left. At least not that I've found. I've never put any investment into "the system", always believing that the future I wanted for myself and humanity was on the horizon. We're now in July 2013, I'm 55 in a few days time, and DO NOT feel that time is on my side any longer. Rules and regulations are multiplying and becoming ever more assinine, doors are slamming, goalposts are being moved - use whatever metaphor you like. I've been thrown back into survival mode, and I don't like it; stress is making me ill, spiritual growth is non-existant and all I can do is live day to day and try to keep a grip on the tiny glimmer of hope that still exists. Everybody says "be the change you wish to see", well, I try and I try, but wherever I go, I'm faced with the fact that the majority of my fellow humans appear to actually want to be controlled and kept in servitude.

I'm with Skippy - we, as a community need to acquire an island. Seriously.

[ghostrider]

sounds like problem , reaction, solution... the nwo is creating an endgame problem, you react, they have a solution ready ... don't fall for their fear game, they have made a huge mistake, they didn't calculate on us being awake and fearless and powerful ... our collective thoughts can influence them, they don't know this ...I don't know any other way to say this, get a photo of one of the cabal members, or those responsible for the agenda, focus on the picture and clear your mind, just look at it, vibrations can be sent , and it will affect that person , it will mess with their dreams , and they will leave the game or fight for the good ...your intention of thought is what made the universe, it is very , very powerful ... you are a galaxy in a body , know it , use it, experiment , it is a game changer... much like Bill's thread focusing the transformational lens, in principal it works the same way , it can work with a photo ...you marvelous human creators as Ion would say ... it can be , because you choose it to be ... I have been putting to task the teaching of the ancients and woe, my mind goes 1,000 miles an hour ...its up to you to feel it, explore it , and know it ... ever get a rush of cool air raising all the hairs on your body ??? hint you have awesome power my friend , hang in there , change is coming ...

[crosby]

When I first read what you said, I thought of a few critical moments in my life when I felt fed up with the prevalent thinking. The first time it was ESP - and I gave it up. The next one was science and its standard model - and I gave that up too. Then there was the new spiritual movement - eventually, I gave that up as well. Then came the conspriracy venue - yup, pretty much done. And the self-improvement continues...soon there will be only me and my thoughts, at this rate - then that will be gone too.

we are who we are.... at that moment in time.... and then forever.... well thats something we'll have to contemplate. but i believe it is possible.
warmest, corson

[crosby]

Not to mention: doesn’t it beg the question…what kind of being lives for (gets energy from) **_____**?

One who is bereft of a soul, disconnected from the source field, and is vampiring energy from others because it does not have the ability to sustain a heart centered amalgamation of energy flowing through it. In other words, a functionally dead psychopathic alien zombie.

But, look in the mirror when you talk about energy vampirism, as we have all been taught to partake in vamping others, through "competition" and survival of the fittest mentality. Who are the fittest? Those who can use their fellow man to aggrandize themselves for personal hedonism and desire, based on a paradigm of scarcity and limited resources taught to us by these psychopathic parasites.
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The establishment kool-aid sits on every dinner table, and we all drink from it, either wittingly or unwittingly. We eat from the fruits of the exploitations of the planet, and vomit upon our plates that which we loathe, as we regurgitate from fear of lack.

We are not separate from it. Our very DNA is spliced, programmed, and resonant to the very core of our being. If we push our chairs away from the table and say, I will not partake of this meal any longer, we risk starvation without a new paradigm of energy from which to sustain us. We are the children of the matrix, the very chimeric hybrids who hold this reality of this hologram in place.

So, while we shake our fists at the castle walls, and shout out to our oppressors for the evil which they have perpetrated upon us, stealing the original heritage of the indigenous souls who were doing just fine before these aliens came and hybridized us, and splicing into our very core the attributes which we say we loathe, we do not really loathe them.

We use every day, the sciences, the mathematics, the horticulture, the astrology, the astronomy, and the medicines which they brought. The indigenous species took a huge leap in evolution due to the joinder of our selves with these god beings from space.

If we want to change the nature of who we are, then we need to go within and denounce and control those very aspects we loathe, within ourselves. The problem is never "out there" and neither are the answers. We need to accept our nature, own it, and husband it for it's true heart and soul, the true spiritual evolution of what we agreed to do here on this planet.

This hybridization and melding of the indigenous with an alien species, was not done under duress. We allowed it, were culpable in it's creation, and therefore are just as responsible for the outcome today, however many millions of years later, as we were the day it happened.

Until we own this at our deepest core, we are shouting at the wind and our intentions do not ground and coalesce within the matrix of creation. We did it. Own it.

so how 'bout turning the tables a little bit???? lets turn the vampirism where it needs to be... do you think it can be done? and if so, how would you like to start?
regards, corson

[Another1]

so how 'bout turning the tables a little bit???? lets turn the vampirism where it needs to be... do you think it can be done? and if so, how would you like to start?
regards, corson

~ got the image once of how leeches can be used in medicine to get the blood flowing again to a damaged limb, my friend suggested that spiritual parasites were doing the same thing in a way, by feeding on us, they had kept the energy flowing through and it has been helping us all along in a weird sort of unforeseen way ...

Sometimes at this point, some DJ in my head starts playing the theme from The Sting (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070735/)

... suggested thanking them for getting the energy going again, wish them well and set them free ...

[schneider]

I believe there are many different timelines existing simultaneously and the people that believe upheaval is near are on that timeline. I think it is a choice which timeline you are on, based on the thoughts you are entertaining. Living in the now takes you off all time lines and is a more peaceful way to live.

[RUSirius]

I believe there are many different timelines existing simultaneously and the people that believe upheaval is near are on that timeline. I think it is a choice which timeline you are on, based on the thoughts you are entertaining. Living in the now takes you off all time lines and is a more peaceful way to live.

Hi schneider, I think you're probably on to something here, I toss this sort of stuff around all the time. Honestly, its one of the train of thoughts that keeps me focused and centered, "time" will tell, I've got a feeling that life is far more dynamic than what it appears to be on the surface, maybe some day I'll be able to prove it.

[Finefeather]

I believe there are many different timelines existing simultaneously and the people that believe upheaval is near are on that timeline. I think it is a choice which timeline you are on, based on the thoughts you are entertaining. Living in the now takes you off all time lines and is a more peaceful way to live.
With all due respects to you dear schneider, you have a rather confused idea of what timelines are...you probably have been delving for too long in the Bashar material.

Every person on the planet is on the same timeline...which is simply the probability of the current set of possibilities taking place in our future. It can only be changed by collective consciousness, which is highly unlikely considering the ignorant nature of the majority of human minds in our present state of consciousness. The only thing that can be considered as a forgone conclusion is the fact that the majority are been led by sinister and ignorant motive.

Just because you and me and all the fine minds on Avalon have realized the nature of the world predicament, does not mean that we can solve the timeline probability. The only thing that can be claimed as fact right now is that our destiny is to become higher Beings in higher realms of consciousness...and there is no time limit...so we have all the time in the world to live in the current state of chaos and ignorance and lack of unity...how long this will continue is up to the collective consciousness of the human race.

Our job as...claimed and supposedly...more advanced humans, is to attempt to shorten the growth period of human consciousness without interfering in the rights of others to choose their own path...however...when all we have to choose from, does not include basic truths, and only includes the imaginative illusions and mental fictions of the self professed enlightened, we end up with chaos...and unity becomes a distant dream.

Take care
Ray

[Bill Ryan]

I believe there are many different timelines existing simultaneously and the people that believe upheaval is near are on that timeline. I think it is a choice which timeline you are on, based on the thoughts you are entertaining. Living in the now takes you off all time lines and is a more peaceful way to live.

This might be true! Although it's more of an abstract metaphysical construct than anything else. Inelia actually does a pretty good job of describing it towards the end of my 2011 interview with her.

What this may mean in practice is that we can, at least to a larger extent than many of us realize, choose or create our reality. In short, we may find ourselves encountering what we choose to experience. There are a lot of problems with this (do victims of horrendous experiences really choose them?) -- but there is also quite a lot to suggest that 'reality' really does work this way for many people.

[CD7]

There are a lot of problems with this (do victims of horrendous experiences really choose them?) -- but there is also quite a lot to suggest that 'reality' really does work this way for many people.


I think this is why the Practice is so important (even more so the education in such habits)...once the awareness comes in and the person consistently practices, it becomes a different ball game...

[Limor Wolf]

I believe there are many different timelines existing simultaneously and the people that believe upheaval is near are on that timeline. I think it is a choice which timeline you are on, based on the thoughts you are entertaining. Living in the now takes you off all time lines and is a more peaceful way to live.

This might be true! Although it's more of an abstract metaphysical construct than anything else. Inelia actually does a pretty good job of describing it towards the end of my 2011 interview with her.

What this may mean in practice is that we can, at least to a larger extent than many of us realize, choose or create our reality. In short, we may find ourselves encountering what we choose to experience. There are a lot of problems with this (do victims of horrendous experiences really choose them?) -- but there is also quite a lot to suggest that 'reality' really does work this way for many people.

Like in every secret reciepe, there is a mix here that is clearly not known to us. It feels as if we have a partial responsibility in the likness of the possibility to drive this vehicle to wherever we like. BUT, from a higher perspective, there are only certain paved roads in this great road system which we can actually chose to drive on but can not deflect from, there is also an invisible instructor that seats right next to us and takes the wheel to it's hands every once in a while.

So, the road is chosen by us and 'living in the now' may mean - making as many stops along the way, enjoying the scenery and taking it in our own pace. I would bet, however, that the final destination, will be there and it was well planned by a more capable hands. As famously stated - ' All Roads lead to Rome'.

[Finefeather]

What this may mean in practice is that we can, at least to a larger extent than many of us realize, choose or create our reality. In short, we may find ourselves encountering what we choose to experience. There are a lot of problems with this (do victims of horrendous experiences really choose them?) -- but there is also quite a lot to suggest that 'reality' really does work this way for many people.
An esoteric axiom is "you reap what you sow" and this, no one can avoid. It also crosses lives and can be something we experience in a current life which took place thousands of incarnations ago. The problem is that we think of this in too literal a manner. Reaping what we sow is not about getting killed in some life, if we killed someone in a past life.
What we significantly encounter in our life has usually some connection with sowing or reaping, choice is always an option but we cannot choose to wish away some debt we have with past actions...this has nothing to do with some mythical book of life but is in fact an energy issue.

Bad sowing creates denser atomic matter in our incarnating bodies which needs to be refined by good sowing. This is the law of the cosmos and we can try to get round it by all manner of creative talk but it will always need to work it self out by our own actions and thoughts.

Creating our own reality is simply our way of living our lives in accordance with our current belief system...it has very little to do with 'real' reality...which is the same for all. The closer we live to 'real' reality the smoother our lives become. Until that is achieved, individually, we will continue to create our own reality, based on our individual emotional illusions and mental fictions.

Take care
Ray


changed 'sow what we reap' to 'reap what we sow'...must be dyslexic...:)

[onawah]

Bashar explains such things very well--we need most of all, to stay out of our own way
See: post #78 at:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60541-Bashar&p=703922#post703922

To questions such as the one Limor posed "do victims of horrendous experiences really choose them?", Bashar explains that Unconditional Love allows us to choose even horrendous experiences, and while in the learning process of 3D reality, we may choose those, until we learn not to.

[novus]

I am not trying to preach biblical, "divine intervention" to anyone, but I often wonder how many other 9-11s have been averted due to our collective consciousness (for lack of a better word)?

Ever since 9-11, commentators and visionaries have predicted, we are about to be hit with a worse false flag than, 9-11 any day now, and it hasn't happened. WHY?

Ever since 2002 we've been told WW3 is right around the corner, and much to everyone's amazement it hasn't happened. Why not?

Could it be because the majority on this planet don't want it to happen? Could our collective consciousness be a positive force preventing such a catastrophe? The psychopaths who want to destroy this world and enslave it's people are extremely small in number, while those of us who just want to be left alone and enjoy life, are great in number. That's gotta count for something? Could this be a factor as to why we haven't see a WW3 or another 9-11?

Ever since 9-11, once a day, I flush my mind of all thoughts, and before starting anew, I pray, postulate, imagine, envision, (whatever) a better world, a world without evil, a "heaven on earth".

As silly as it may sound, I believe the one or two minuets I contribute to praying, postulating, for a better world, actually does some good.

[RUSirius]

I am not trying to preach biblical, "divine intervention" to anyone, but I often wonder how many other 9-11s have been averted due to our collective consciousness (for lack of a better word)?

Ever since 9-11, commentators and visionaries have predicted, we are about to be hit with a worse false flag than, 9-11 any day now, and it hasn't happened. WHY?

Ever since 2002 we've been told WW3 is right around the corner, and much to everyone's amazement it hasn't happened. Why not?

Could it be because the majority on this planet don't want it to happen? Could our collective consciousness be a positive force preventing such a catastrophe? The psychopaths who want to destroy this world and enslave it's people are extremely small in number, while those of us who just want to be left alone and enjoy life, are great in number. Could this be a factor as to why we haven't see a WW3 or another 9-11?

Ever since 9-11, once a day, I flush my mind of all thoughts, and before starting anew, I pray, postulate, imagine, envision, (whatever) a better world, a world without evil, a "heaven on earth".

As silly as it may sound, I believe the one or two minuets I contribute to praying, postulating, for a better world, actually does some good.

I've shared in many of these thoughts as well.

[naste.de.lumina]

The difficulty of getting form a collective consciousness minimally balanced with the desire of this group, is that for this individual have to be able to overcome our instinctive animal desires (Survival, feeding and reproduction) and its consequences in ensuring these basic desires. Because our spirits are subjected to this biological carnal machine necessarily have to wear in order to exist on this planet.
The problem is that this machine has a software called ego and it is implicit so that we can understand and interact with the environment to which we are subjected.
So our ego inherent justifications using the basic survival needs, takes control over spiritual consciousness making the possibility of a collective consciousness very difficult because they compete rather collaborate.

[Kindred]

I prefer not to worry about the future... live in the 'NOW'. Taking care of what needs to be done, when it needs doing. Yes, WE create our reality, in some consort with those around us, but Each of us is our own 'space-time-reality', encased in this 'camouflage' we call the 'body'. We share this reality with Earth and all around us in an Infinite Sea of Possibilities.

I KNOW that "I" am Infinite... but my body isn't. When the time to give it up comes, then I move on to Another Beginning. At this stage, I'm looking forward to that change, particularly given all that has transpired in this specific embodiment and watching the ongoing destruction of such a beautiful planet and the life it harbors. It pains me to see such ignorance and selfishness.

But, I realize that many still need to learn their lessons, and this place is but one of an Infinite number of places to do so. I've done, and continue to do what I can to help those that come into my path, and give what assistance I can to those that need it within my abilities. The 'nwo' doesn't frighten me, as I Know that, should these agents 'kill' this body, A New Life, with New Experiences with more Lessons is in store, for I am Infinite. I am Lovingly Grateful for ALL that has come, and that will Be.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I think a lot about the future, about what is actually happening and what I may do in the cause of freedom, well being and joy.

And sometimes, when thoughts of government/corporate corruption, a police state, slavery, loss of friends and family get me frustrated, I simply say "In this moment, I have everything I need and more."

It would be much easier to get through all the BS if there was a much improved 2 way conversation with HS. I keep reminding myself, sometimes shouting to the guy I see in the mirror, "Do not go anywhere without full time conscious connection to HS ever again." Maybe this is my lesson.

[RUSirius]

I think a lot about the future, about what is actually happening and what I may do in the cause of freedom, well being and joy.

And sometimes, when thoughts of government/corporate corruption, a police state, slavery, loss of friends and family get me frustrated, I simply say "In this moment, I have everything I need and more."

It would be much easier to get through all the BS if there was a much improved 2 way conversation with HS. I keep reminding myself, sometimes shouting to the guy I see in the mirror, "Do not go anywhere without full time conscious connection to HS ever again." Maybe this is my lesson.

I think this might be more than just your lesson my friend, I know it applies to me, if only I spent more time applying me to it.

[mosquito]

Ever since 2002 we've been told WW3 is right around the corner, and much to everyone's amazement it hasn't happened. Why not?

It has happened, it's happening now, But because the media don't say to people "WW 3 is underway" they don't know. It's instead sold as a "war on terror". People just accept the right of the USA and its' vassal states to invade and bomb whoever they want, no question.

If, as you and others claim, we are so super advanced, and can use our minds to change events in order to thwart the NWO/Military industrial complex, whatever you want to call them, then why is it that we haven't managed to stop the drone strikes for example ?

It's all too easy to make a prediction, then when it doesn't materialize, claim that it was your higher consciousness that prevented it from happening. Meanwhile, there are myriad attrocities taking place worldwide in your name, using your tax money, which somehow you haven't managed to prevent. (I'm using "you" non-personally here).

[Fred Steeves]

What this may mean in practice is that we can, at least to a larger extent than many of us realize, choose or create our reality. In short, we may find ourselves encountering what we choose to experience. There are a lot of problems with this (do victims of horrendous experiences really choose them?) -- but there is also quite a lot to suggest that 'reality' really does work this way for many people.
What we significantly encounter in our life has usually some connection with sowing or reaping, choice is always an option but we cannot choose to wish away some debt we have with past actions...this has nothing to do with some mythical book of life but is in fact an energy issue.


There may be a third possibility as well, which is the one I'm leaning to. That one comes to a point where the reaping and the sewing has been exhausted, and a position of neutral has been reached. Back to the original "event" for the umpteenth time (like the movie Groundhog Day), but with the chance to create a different outcome through *well earned* self understanding.

[Marren]

What this may mean in practice is that we can, at least to a larger extent than many of us realize, choose or create our reality. In short, we may find ourselves encountering what we choose to experience. There are a lot of problems with this (do victims of horrendous experiences really choose them?) -- but there is also quite a lot to suggest that 'reality' really does work this way for many people.
What we significantly encounter in our life has usually some connection with sowing or reaping, choice is always an option but we cannot choose to wish away some debt we have with past actions...this has nothing to do with some mythical book of life but is in fact an energy issue.


There may be a third possibility as well, which is the one I'm leaning to. That one comes to a point where the reaping and the sewing has been exhausted, and a position of neutral has been reached. Back to the original "event" for the umpteenth time (like the movie Groundhog Day), but with the chance to create a different outcome through *well earned* self understanding.

I feel this very strongly. Since time is just an illusion, a single frame if you will then it is not really that strange that we could all be living in our own realites, entering the timelines that is most representative of ourselfs. Suffering could sometimes be necessary in order to grow. For example, i probably would not of found this enlightenment and be writing this post if it was not for all the tough things i have gone trough in my life. Today i try to view everything as positive, since literally good things can come from ALL bad things happening.

Could it be that we all need to experience these horrendous experiences you are talking about Bill, and maybe most of us already have. Maybe it could also at times be neccassery for our growth to see other suffer like that?

We all live in our own rooms :)

[Finefeather]

I feel this very strongly. Since time is just an illusion, a single frame if you will then it is not really that strange that we could all be living in our own realites, entering the timelines that is most representative of ourselfs.
Time is not an illusion, so I thought it might be of some help to you, and others who have this fictitious idea in their minds, if I posted this:

There has been an endless speculation on time. Time is objective as a measurer of motion, events and processes of all kinds. Physical time is determined by the rotation of the earth in relation to the surrounding stellar world and its revolution round the sun. Our day and night together make up a rotatory revolution and our year is a solar revolution.

Many people have thought that time is subjective. That opinion is a typical product of
speculation, which is due to the confusion of objective time and subjective perception of time. The perception of time is, just as any perception, objective when objectively determined by external, material reality. That is possible for man only in the physical world, since that is the only world in which he has objective consciousness. In the emotional and mental worlds, the normal individual is quite unable to perceive objective time, quite unable to measure motion and change. This fact has been misunderstood to imply that those worlds do not exist objectively. Even in the physical world you can fail to notice the flight of time, if your attention is somewhere else than in the physical. Amicitia horam vincit, friendship conquers time, said the ancient Romans. Among boon companions you do not notice the flight of time.
And the night of anguish is an “eternity”. In our experience there is something that makes us understand the expression “condensed eternity”.

The fact that individuals in ever higher worlds are ever less dependent on time and space does not imply that time and space lack objective existence. Planets, solar systems, galaxies are proofs that space with all its higher worlds exists, and the processes of manifestation are proofs that time exists.

The concept of time belongs to the motion aspect and is absent in the consciousness aspect.

To consciousness there is no time but everything is an eternal present. It is motion that gives the conception of past, present, and future. In the consciousness aspect past and future meet in the present. This, too, is part of the basic concepts of esoterics, of course incomprehensible to man’s traditional reason.

Time has no dimension. Einstein’s space–time as a fourth dimension is an imaginary
construction that has no counterpart in reality.

Rhythm in existence, or the law of periodicity, concerns all three aspects of reality. It
evinces countless different durations from fractions of a second to solar systemic periods (eons) of more than four billion years. The law of periodicity has been all too much neglected in the West but it explains phenomena of many different kinds. Rhythm is a law that science, also medical science, has every reason to study very closely, for it is of the greatest importance to hygiene, not least mental and emotional hygiene.

[Eram]

How do we break this cycle? We basically have to confine our children to areas where the 'positive force' is been lived out day to day...something not unlike the mormons of old...we need to be able to bring children up in a society where the forces of light are in full control...only this will normalize the plan on earth...the problem is how do we do this?

It starts with moving out of the cities and back to the open grounds where we are far away from supporting the commercial exploitation we see in the world today. It continues with sacrificing all the unnecessary things we buy and hoard just to keep up with the Jones's. It means realizing that we are all united because we are one consciousness...one mind...in the heart, where love resides.

Take care
Ray

Great post Ray,

I wish you would write more about current events on earth in relation to our past and the greater plan.
You seem to know so much about it.

About moving out of the city...

We did that 4 years ago, one of the reasons being to give our kid (now two kids) a better possibility to grow up in a way that enables him (now them) to live in reality more easy.
Little did we know or suspect that a big problem in these parts is that the school system is about 40 years behind on where we came from.
Here children still have to learn everything by repeating the teacher, sit at their own desk at all times, no group projects all the way up to high school.
Biggest problem is that many teachers here don't like their jobs and remain in control of the class by bullying the children up to wetting their pants.
Not what we had in mind for our offspring.
We are actually thinking about moving back to the Netherlands to get them access to school systems like democratic education where children learn by what they are interested in at that moment, not by what the system forces them to at any given moment.

Also... moving to open grounds doesn't prevent programming our children with the same insanity that we where raised with if we don't de-programm ourselves, which is all too easy overlooked imo.

[RUSirius]

How do we break this cycle? We basically have to confine our children to areas where the 'positive force' is been lived out day to day...something not unlike the mormons of old...we need to be able to bring children up in a society where the forces of light are in full control...only this will normalize the plan on earth...the problem is how do we do this?

It starts with moving out of the cities and back to the open grounds where we are far away from supporting the commercial exploitation we see in the world today. It continues with sacrificing all the unnecessary things we buy and hoard just to keep up with the Jones's. It means realizing that we are all united because we are one consciousness...one mind...in the heart, where love resides.

Take care
Ray

Great post Ray,

I wish you would write more about current events on earth in relation to our past and the greater plan.
You seem to know so much about it.

About moving out of the city...

We did that 4 years ago, one of the reasons being to give our kid (now two kids) a better possibility to grow up in a way that enables him (now them) to live in reality more easy.
Little did we know or suspect that a big problem in these parts is that the school system is about 40 years behind on where we came from.
Here children still have to learn everything by repeating the teacher, sit at their own desk at all times, no group projects all the way up to high school.
Biggest problem is that many teachers here don't like their jobs and remain in control of the class by bullying the children up to wetting their pants.
Not what we had in mind for our offspring.
We are actually thinking about moving back to the Netherlands to get them access to school systems like democratic education where children learn by what they are interested in at that moment, not by what the system forces them to at any given moment.

Also... moving to open grounds doesn't prevent programming our children with the same insanity that we where raised with if we don't de-programm ourselves, which is all too easy overlooked imo.

Wow Eram, we are in a very similar boat, if you will. I moved my family, i.e., kids to where I thought would have similar advantages as you described above, just to find out basically the same thing you did, literally. And now I am moving back for the very same reason, "education" for my older kids, the colleges in Guyana are not recognized by anyone, not even the faculty and staff, practically. This is one of the reasons I started this thread, I can not wrap my mind completely around the fact that I am leaving this place to return to a place I left for good reasons, because that very place still holds major advantages over many parts of the world. Its just not an option to sit here in Guyana, gamble with my older kids education, they both want to pursue a medical career, do I deprived them of that while we wait for the Sh!t to hit the fan, or do we carry on like everything is roses or at least like everything is "normal" for the lack of a better word.

[Finefeather]

Also... moving to open grounds doesn't prevent programming our children with the same insanity that we where raised with if we don't de-programm ourselves, which is all too easy overlooked imo.
Hi Eram
Yes...that's the 'vicious' circle we find our selves in. I think we have reference to "The sins of the father" somewhere.
De-programming implies programming, so it is this which should concern us most. The fact that there are people in the world who are not programmed should give us hope and most of all should grab our curiosity as to why and how they have become that way...de-programmed.
A clue to the programming problem lies in the fact that we are so eager to know truth...yet we cannot know if what we are been told is truth or not.
We grab every little bit of fiction we can find and if it makes the slightest bit of sense to us we instil it as our 'reality of the moment'...until a better story crops up.
If things go well for us, the past experiences become useful, despite their inaccuracies, as we become wiser to the fictions which people write about under the guise of truth. This is growth and cannot be overlooked as been necessary because if you ask someone why they no longer stick their hand into a fire...they will surely tell you it's because it goddam hurts :)

The nature of a forum is such that all sorts of unknown individuals like you and me either want answers or want to help, in their own little way. The difficulty is knowing who we can trust as our source of truth...when we have nothing to check against.

The fact is that there is truth out there and there are a lot of people who have found it simply because in some incarnation some things start making more sense than other things...and we get lead in the right direction when we are ready for truth. Only when we are ready can we be trusted with the real truth...because we can see all around the internet and forums how profound writers have been turned into 'evil' sources by ignorant people. Only the sensational ones who know how to get your attention with all sorts of exciting stories and illusions get put up on a pedestal and are hailed as truth bringers.

I would like to say more but need to go out...so take care for now
With much love
Ray

[CD7]

Time is not an illusion, so I thought it might be of some help to you, and others who have this fictitious idea in their minds, if I posted this:



Quote There has been an endless speculation on time. Time is objective as a measurer of motion, events and processes of all kinds. Physical time is determined by the rotation of the earth in relation to the surrounding stellar world and its revolution round the sun. Our day and night together make up a rotatory revolution and our year is a solar revolution.

Many people have thought that time is subjective. That opinion is a typical product of
speculation, which is due to the confusion of objective time and subjective perception of time. The perception of time is, just as any perception, objective when objectively determined by external, material reality. That is possible for man only in the physical world, since that is the only world in which he has objective consciousness. In the emotional and mental worlds, the normal individual is quite unable to perceive objective time, quite unable to measure motion and change. This fact has been misunderstood to imply that those worlds do not exist objectively. Even in the physical world you can fail to notice the flight of time, if your attention is somewhere else than in the physical. Amicitia horam vincit, friendship conquers time, said the ancient Romans. Among boon companions you do not notice the flight of time.
And the night of anguish is an “eternity”. In our experience there is something that makes us understand the expression “condensed eternity”.

The fact that individuals in ever higher worlds are ever less dependent on time and space does not imply that time and space lack objective existence. Planets, solar systems, galaxies are proofs that space with all its higher worlds exists, and the processes of manifestation are proofs that time exists.

The concept of time belongs to the motion aspect and is absent in the consciousness aspect.

To consciousness there is no time but everything is an eternal present. It is motion that gives the conception of past, present, and future. In the consciousness aspect past and future meet in the present. This, too, is part of the basic concepts of esoterics, of course incomprehensible to man’s traditional reason.

Time has no dimension. Einstein’s space–time as a fourth dimension is an imaginary
construction that has no counterpart in reality.

Rhythm in existence, or the law of periodicity, concerns all three aspects of reality. It
evinces countless different durations from fractions of a second to solar systemic periods (eons) of more than four billion years. The law of periodicity has been all too much neglected in the West but it explains phenomena of many different kinds. Rhythm is a law that science, also medical science, has every reason to study very closely, for it is of the greatest importance to hygiene, not least mental and emotional hygiene.


Well I disagree...This snipet is someone else's "idea" of time who does not have all the answers....conjecture of his own perspective. Im not sure who your quoting here?, but even if they have gathered information through scientific inquiry...it is still pieces of knowledge without the whole picture. So because he is stating this does not make another's perspective of time necessarily fictional

And besides some of us may be saying the same thing, but because of syntax- words constrict ideas into certain boxes casting a distorted view of EVERYTHING.

[Finefeather]

Well I disagree...This snipet is someone else's "idea" of time who does not have all the answers....conjecture of his own perspective. Im not sure who your quoting here?, but even if they have gathered information through scientific inquiry...it is still pieces of knowledge without the whole picture. So because he is stating this does not make another's perspective of time necessarily fictional

And besides some of us may be saying the same thing, but because of syntax- words constrict ideas into certain boxes casting a distorted view of EVERYTHING.
Hullo CD7
I can understand your repulsion of the quotation I posted...as it is your right and freedom to choose and accept your own concept of reality...so too is it my right to tell people things that they might not be comfortable with...this is called freedom of speech.
The quotation I posted comes direct from hylozoics...which is the only correct concept of reality in the worlds of man...and this is not my opinion...this is a fact.
Take care and love to you
Ray

[ulli]

How do we break this cycle? We basically have to confine our children to areas where the 'positive force' is been lived out day to day...something not unlike the mormons of old...we need to be able to bring children up in a society where the forces of light are in full control...only this will normalize the plan on earth...the problem is how do we do this?

It starts with moving out of the cities and back to the open grounds where we are far away from supporting the commercial exploitation we see in the world today. It continues with sacrificing all the unnecessary things we buy and hoard just to keep up with the Jones's. It means realizing that we are all united because we are one consciousness...one mind...in the heart, where love resides.

Take care
Ray

Great post Ray,

I wish you would write more about current events on earth in relation to our past and the greater plan.
You seem to know so much about it.

About moving out of the city...

We did that 4 years ago, one of the reasons being to give our kid (now two kids) a better possibility to grow up in a way that enables him (now them) to live in reality more easy.
Little did we know or suspect that a big problem in these parts is that the school system is about 40 years behind on where we came from.
Here children still have to learn everything by repeating the teacher, sit at their own desk at all times, no group projects all the way up to high school.
Biggest problem is that many teachers here don't like their jobs and remain in control of the class by bullying the children up to wetting their pants.
Not what we had in mind for our offspring.
We are actually thinking about moving back to the Netherlands to get them access to school systems like democratic education where children learn by what they are interested in at that moment, not by what the system forces them to at any given moment.

Also... moving to open grounds doesn't prevent programming our children with the same insanity that we where raised with if we don't de-programm ourselves, which is all too easy overlooked imo.

Wow Eram, we are in a very similar boat, if you will. I moved my family, i.e., kids to where I thought would have similar advantages as you described above, just to find out basically the same thing you did, literally. And now I am moving back for the very same reason, "education" for my older kids, the colleges in Guyana are not recognized by anyone, not even the faculty and staff, practically. This is one of the reasons I started this thread, I can not wrap my mind completely around the fact that I am leaving this place to return to a place I left for good reasons, because that very place still holds major advantages over many parts of the world. Its just not an option to sit here in Guyana, gamble with my older kids education, they both want to pursue a medical career, do I deprived them of that while we wait for the Sh!t to hit the fan, or do we carry on like everything is roses or at least like everything is "normal" for the lack of a better word.

While living in Barbados I had lots of Guyanese friends, and all were educated overseas,
with their parents doing everything possible, and making huge sacrifices, to bring this about.
It makes a wonderful combination of personality, in my view.
The finest people I ever met, anywhere.

[CD7]

Hullo CD7
I can understand your repulsion of the quotation I posted...as it is your right and freedom to choose and accept your own concept of reality...so too is it my right to tell people things that they might not be comfortable with...this is called freedom of speech.
The quotation I posted comes direct from hylozoics...which is the only correct concept of reality in the worlds of man...and this is not my opinion...this is a fact.
Take care and love to you
Ray




I didn't say u didn't have a "right" to your perspective...I just said I disagreed with it and I still do! :)


Humm hylozoics is a philosophy if im correct? philosophy as fact?

[RunningDeer]

I believe there are many different timelines existing simultaneously and the people that believe upheaval is near are on that timeline. I think it is a choice which timeline you are on, based on the thoughts you are entertaining. Living in the now takes you off all time lines and is a more peaceful way to live.

“...With all due respects to you dear schneider, you have a rather confused idea of what timelines are...you probably have been delving for too long in the Bashar material.

Take care
Ray

:offtopic:

Hi Ray,

My intention is not to dispute ideas that you’ve shared with Schneider. I’ve noticed that over several threads people expressed their views about Bashar.

So, I’m using this opportunity to post a video and to express how Bashar has confirmed past and current experiences of “here... and now ...I’m here”. Or my dog walks by and he walks by again, in the same direction. It’s no accident that I’m noticing small phenomenon because I choose to not rationalized them away.

For those unfamiliar with Bashar, he isn’t only about time lines and parallel realities. He offers information on choices, change, and most importantly self-empowerment. Like any information, I mull over what’s offered and leave the rest.


Peace,
Paula :wave:

:focus:


Time Shifts & Time Slips
iDYK2CYobvs
Published on Jul 15, 2013

PSI researcher and experiencer Starfire Tor, who discussed time shifts and time slips as well as other strange occurrences involving time. During the first 90 minutes, they were joined by Whitley Strieber, who shared his take on Tor's research. He mused that these time anomalies suggest that "the boundary between the classical and quantum worlds is actually fuzzier than we would like to believe." Despite the far-reaching implications of such research, Tor lamented, "no scientist, except myself, ever really tackled these anomalies."

She shared the story of one instance where she claims to have documented a time shift taking place. She explained that she and one of her research partners had noticed the phenomenon appearing to take place in a region of Southern California, so they went to a parking lot in the area and filmed it. Upon returning three months later, they found that a massive Circuit City building now stood in the once-empty parking lot. Tor alleged that the store employees all said that the building had been there for a year. However, upon re-examining the video tape from three months prior, she exclaimed "where the Circuit City was now ... there was nothing! It's just a parking lot!"... [summary continued @ link]

[Delight]

I believe there are many different timelines existing simultaneously and the people that believe upheaval is near are on that timeline. I think it is a choice which timeline you are on, based on the thoughts you are entertaining. Living in the now takes you off all time lines and is a more peaceful way to live.

“...With all due respects to you dear schneider, you have a rather confused idea of what timelines are...you probably have been delving for too long in the Bashar material.

Take care
Ray

:offtopic:

Hi Ray,

My intention is not to dispute ideas that you’ve shared with Schneider. I’ve noticed that over several threads people expressed their views about Bashar.

So, I’m using this opportunity to post a video and to express how Bashar has confirmed past and current experiences of “here... and now I’m here”. It’s no accident that I notice small phenomenon again because I choose to not rationalized them away.

For those unfamiliar with Bashar, he isn’t only about time lines and parallel realities. He offers information on choices, change, and most importantly self-empowerment.

Peace,
Paula :wave:

:focus:


Time Shifts & Time Slips
iDYK2CYobvs
Published on Jul 15, 2013

PSI researcher and experiencer Starfire Tor, who discussed time shifts and time slips as well as other strange occurrences involving time. During the first 90 minutes, they were joined by Whitley Strieber, who shared his take on Tor's research. He mused that these time anomalies suggest that "the boundary between the classical and quantum worlds is actually fuzzier than we would like to believe." Despite the far-reaching implications of such research, Tor lamented, "no scientist, except myself, ever really tackled these anomalies."

She shared the story of one instance where she claims to have documented a time shift taking place. She explained that she and one of her research partners had noticed the phenomenon appearing to take place in a region of Southern California, so they went to a parking lot in the area and filmed it. Upon returning three months later, they found that a massive Circuit City building now stood in the once-empty parking lot. Tor alleged that the store employees all said that the building had been there for a year. However, upon re-examining the video tape from three months prior, she exclaimed "where the Circuit City was now ... there was nothing! It's just a parking lot!"... [summary continued @ link]

Riffing off time shifts and reality shifts and the moment.

I think time is about context. We have several contexts going because we are multidimensional and always creating the experienced moment. It has "lawfulness". I think that the light is creating a new context that we are bridging now.

I think this "time' is about become conscious of how reality as we experience is created and cooperate with nature. That nature is the grand scale: life.

In manifestation, we seem to put the cart before the horse. It is more easy to pull the cart but we try to have the cart pull? Does it ever work? No, so three extra guys right left and back push the cart to pull the horse. The horse could just as easily walk by itself and pull the cart too... but we didn't use the right sequence. EXHAUSTING. No wonder we feel tired of life.

I think time comes down to an experience of a sequence of events. We believe the past drives the future, when all along we actually manage the past from the future. We experence everything seconds behind the event. (scientific studies show that a change in brain activity precedes awareness. Before that even something else happened.) I say that something else was in the future...that intent is a future beacon pulling the past along. We take part in the present moment. We can change intention in the present moment consciously.

That is what I think happens with Time openings...we say time opens because different timelines appear that change the “past”. It is in my opinion when we coonnect more consciously with deliberate change of intent. By deliberate I mean that we identify ourselves “desiring” an outcome. We allow that desire to then happen. I do think reality shifts are how we register this at times.

If there is any value to experience, it seems like it is to use how things happen to our advantage. So even though we give lip service to intention, like a horse we don't use it to our advantage. We wish for the cart of what we resist in the moment to push the horse of what we want. We don't use the "power of ours" which is our horse...get clear about what you are wanting from our situation...where you are headed and LOVING on that version of life. The horse can walk anywhere we allow the horse power.

[Finefeather]

So, I’m using this opportunity to post a video and to express how Bashar has confirmed past and current experiences of “here... and now ...I’m here”. Or my dog walks by and he walks by again, in the same direction. It’s no accident that I’m noticing small phenomenon because I choose to not rationalized them away.

For those unfamiliar with Bashar, he isn’t only about time lines and parallel realities. He offers information on choices, change, and most importantly self-empowerment. Like any information, I mull over what’s offered and leave the rest.

Hi Paula
Thank you for that most interesting audio talk..after all it is about time. I quite enjoyed it :)
I am not anti Bashar or anyone for that matter...a lot of stuff I have heard from him is very good and I do not care who it comes from as long as it promotes the evolution of consciousness.

In this conversation I am only addressing the parallel world/time line issue. I am not sure why people might think that it has much significance to the evolution of our consciousness, when the only place we can grow our consciousness...at this stage of our evolution...is in the physical...people can't seem to understand this.

Please just note that what I am going to write here is my own thinking and I do not expect anyone to agree with me...least of all believe what I say...only consciousness growth will determine the truth of the matter.

It makes me happy to know that there are people like Starfire Tor...I think she is a huge positive and I can detect the love she has for humanity in her mind and heart...she is at the stage of her evolution where she is starting to access the Causal Consciousness of her real Self...to make this relative...she is far more advanced than the average human. She is what I would call a good example of a Mental Self...most people are still Emotional Beings and have not realized their real Self yet.

Now please do not misunderstand me here but her talent or achievement is still on the green side because she admits she has very little idea why the things she experiences are taking place...she has an excellent knowledge of what is going on, and a good analytical mind...the result of this is that she is not truly consistent yet in her thinking. By the end of her current life she will have changed and refined her thinking, based on her research. I however find her extremely interesting to listen to and can only but send her strength because she is the kind of minds we need on earth. Unfortunately the average human cannot understand the higher side of her consciousness and this results in wrong conclusion been drawn.

Each one of the phenomena which is brought up in this talk can be explained quite easily...but to put it into words which are easily understandable is quite a different matter...because as much as we all think we are capable of understanding deeper esoteric truths...the opposite is the case. We have a long way to go before we can come close to understanding the mysteries and truths and nature of the existence we are one with. We do not realize how little we know...we believe the sensational and reject the truths...we do not even know what we don't know.

What Starfire is experiencing...and there are many who are now beginning to access this higher consciousness...is not what she calls co-existing timelines...but probabilities of future possibilities...also latent knowledge, from her own Causal consciousness...as well as knowledge from the human collective consciousness...and some higher mentally influenced emotional creativity. She herself states that she does not agree with parallel timelines at the beginning of the talk...and then seems to change her mind when she calls them co-existing timelines...so even she is confused of what she is experiencing. She also at some point states that she sees this phenomena as frequency changes...this is much closer to the truth...but it is still not a time shift.

It would be impossible to cover this vast subject on a forum and so I will attempt a very condensed and inadequate version of some ideas which, those who are interested, can think about, if they like.

Around the earth and around every human are 3 layers or planes (there are many more but these are the ones associated with normal physical human existence), called the etheric world, the emotional world, and the mental world. These are in fact envelopes or worlds of consciousness which we can access in various states of consciousness, and are as real as a vanilla milkshake ;)

Some people like psychics and those who have etheric vision and or clairvoyance can see into these worlds. Some go OBE and claim all sorts of miraculous sightings. These worlds are also in a state of flux, which means they can bleed in and out of physical reality at various places and times.
In the emotional world, some call this the astral plane...(amongst other things) there is the most incredible amount of forms and structures and Beings which have been 'created' by the thoughts of humans over around 20 million years of inhabiting this planet. There are complete cities which are identical to the ones on the physical plane, and those who visit this plane can change the way they appear in the blink of an eye. It is possible to 'create'...just by thinking of it...any structure or thing we desire. This is why it is called the plane of illusion...because every person or group of people with the same idea can change the landscape of the emotional world to whatever they would like it to be.
This is the cause of much confusion and speculation and imaginative stories when some people...individually or collectively...knowingly or unknowingly access these worlds. And, we can access these worlds spontaneously at any place and time in our life...without even knowing...even a change in the weather can make this possible. This is not a time shift...you are having a consciousness shift. Time is a matter phenomena, whereas, reality is a consciousness phenomena.

Now the claim to see the future is certainly possible...and many have predicted things which have happened exactly as reported. How does this happen? There is NO future world going on in some other time line or dimension. What takes place is that some people are able to access their Causal consciousness. Causal consciousness...some have called this the Higher Mind or Higher Self...but this is not accurate...is a dynamic consciousness where whole systems of ideas both past and future can be witnessed and studied. The past is stable and clear and cannot be changed and is easier to study...the future is all probability...based on the current state of being of the collective of which we are interested in studying...and...if this state is stable enough...what is seen as the future can be very accurate...and predictable...but it can be changed...whereas the past cannot be changed.
Premonitions, which many people experience, are simply the fixed 'probabilities' which are about to manifest. In other words...no real chance of anything changing...like a train on a railway track.

There is no fixed future or co-existing worlds for us to jump across to as we wish as some like to claim...this is a myth and comes from not understanding the nature and architecture of the cosmos. All of the stories we hear, no matter how Star Wars like they are...because we seem to love these imaginative illusions...about time travel and soul collection etc...are all based on emotional imaginative thinking. We like to think we can never be fooled so easily, but that is exactly the nature of the emotional/astral world, which we access every day of our lives, and what makes it even more scary...is that we do no even know that we are doing it...let alone admit it and take ownership of our ignorance.

This is exactly where we are in our long evolution and things can only get better...when we sit up and take notice...then consciousness can quicken...until we start to notice the beauty and love and unity that awaits us. There is only one true way of achieving this and that is service to humanity above all our personal needs.

Tale care and my love to you
Ray

For those who are seriously interested in consciousness growth I can direct you to some information which you may find useful. Just PM me with your interest and we can chat.

[RunningDeer]

Thank you, Ray.

Specifically, “frequency changes...this is much closer to the truth...but it is still not a time shift.”

I’ve been calling it ‘frequency changes’ but I may have mistakenly leaped to ‘time shifts’. It sounds like I’m back peddling. At present, my focus is on increased frequency. So this is an important clarification.

As for some of the rest, it’s like the Nature's milkweed seed. I grasps at and it darts just out of reach. Which means for me to let it be. Allow it to alight on an open hand, and in it's own time it supplants itself.

Until then, though I’m not at 100%, I’m with you on, “...start to notice the beauty and love and unity that awaits us. There is only one true way of achieving this and that is service to humanity above all our personal needs.” (i.e., personal needs, I may have interpreted too literal.)

Again, thank you for your time in explaining it. I've copied your post and filed in the 'Ray' folder.

With Love,
Paula :wave:


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Seasons/Milkweed_zps79864a33.JPG




Hi Paula
Thank you for that most interesting audio talk..after all it is about time. I quite enjoyed it :)

I am not anti Bashar or anyone for that matter...a lot of stuff I have heard from him is very good and I do not care who it comes from as long as it promotes the evolution of consciousness.

In this conversation I am only addressing the parallel world/time line issue. I am not sure why people might think that it has much significance to the evolution of our consciousness, when the only place we can grow our consciousness...at this stage of our evolution...is in the physical...people can't seem to understand this.

Please just note that what I am going to write here is my own thinking and I do not expect anyone to agree with me...least of all believe what I say...only consciousness growth will determine the truth of the matter.

It makes me happy to know that there are people like Starfire Tor...I think she is a huge positive and I can detect the love she has for humanity in her mind and heart...she is at the stage of her evolution where she is starting to access the Causal Consciousness of her real Self...to make this relative...she is far more advanced than the average human. She is what I would call a good example of a Mental Self...most people are still Emotional Beings and have not realized their real Self yet.

Now please do not misunderstand me here but her talent or achievement is still on the green side because she admits she has very little idea why the things she experiences are taking place...she has an excellent knowledge of what is going on, and a good analytical mind...the result of this is that she is not truly consistent yet in her thinking. By the end of her current life she will have changed and refined her thinking, based on her research. I however find her extremely interesting to listen to and can only but send her strength because she is the kind of minds we need on earth. Unfortunately the average human cannot understand the higher side of her consciousness and this results in wrong conclusion been drawn.

Each one of the phenomena which is brought up in this talk can be explained quite easily...but to put it into words which are easily understandable is quite a different matter...because as much as we all think we are capable of understanding deeper esoteric truths...the opposite is the case. We have a long way to go before we can come close to understanding the mysteries and truths and nature of the existence we are one with. We do not realize how little we know...we believe the sensational and reject the truths...we do not even know what we don't know.

What Starfire is experiencing...and there are many who are now beginning to access this higher consciousness...is not what she calls co-existing timelines...but probabilities of future possibilities...also latent knowledge, from her own Causal consciousness...as well as knowledge from the human collective consciousness...and some higher mentally influenced emotional creativity. She herself states that she does not agree with parallel timelines at the beginning of the talk...and then seems to change her mind when she calls them co-existing timelines...so even she is confused of what she is experiencing. She also at some point states that she sees this phenomena as frequency changes...this is much closer to the truth...but it is still not a time shift.

It would be impossible to cover this vast subject on a forum and so I will attempt a very condensed and inadequate version of some ideas which, those who are interested, can think about, if they like.

Around the earth and around every human are 3 layers or planes (there are many more but these are the ones associated with normal physical human existence), called the etheric world, the emotional world, and the mental world. These are in fact envelopes or worlds of consciousness which we can access in various states of consciousness, and are as real as a vanilla milkshake ;)

Some people like psychics and those who have etheric vision and or clairvoyance can see into these worlds. Some go OBE and claim all sorts of miraculous sightings. These worlds are also in a state of flux, which means they can bleed in and out of physical reality at various places and times.

In the emotional world, some call this the astral plane...(amongst other things) there is the most incredible amount of forms and structures and Beings which have been 'created' by the thoughts of humans over around 20 million years of inhabiting this planet. There are complete cities which are identical to the ones on the physical plane, and those who visit this plane can change the way they appear in the blink of an eye. It is possible to 'create'...just by thinking of it...any structure or thing we desire. This is why it is called the plane of illusion...because every person or group of people with the same idea can change the landscape of the emotional world to whatever they would like it to be.
This is the cause of much confusion and speculation and imaginative stories when some people...individually or collectively...knowingly or unknowingly access these worlds. And, we can access these worlds spontaneously at any place and time in our life...without even knowing...even a change in the weather can make this possible. This is not a time shift...you are having a consciousness shift. Time is a matter phenomena, whereas, reality is a consciousness phenomena.

Now the claim to see the future is certainly possible...and many have predicted things which have happened exactly as reported. How does this happen? There is NO future world going on in some other time line or dimension. What takes place is that some people are able to access their Causal consciousness. Causal consciousness...some have called this the Higher Mind or Higher Self...but this is not accurate...is a dynamic consciousness where whole systems of ideas both past and future can be witnessed and studied. The past is stable and clear and cannot be changed and is easier to study...the future is all probability...based on the current state of being of the collective of which we are interested in studying...and...if this state is stable enough...what is seen as the future can be very accurate...and predictable...but it can be changed...whereas the past cannot be changed.
Premonitions, which many people experience, are simply the fixed 'probabilities' which are about to manifest. In other words...no real chance of anything changing...like a train on a railway track.

There is no fixed future or co-existing worlds for us to jump across to as we wish as some like to claim...this is a myth and comes from not understanding the nature and architecture of the cosmos. All of the stories we hear, no matter how Star Wars like they are...because we seem to love these imaginative illusions...about time travel and soul collection etc...are all based on emotional imaginative thinking. We like to think we can never be fooled so easily, but that is exactly the nature of the emotional/astral world, which we access every day of our lives, and what makes it even more scary...is that we do not even know that we are doing it...let alone admit it and take ownership of our ignorance.

This is exactly where we are in our long evolution and things can only get better...when we sit up and take notice...then consciousness can quicken...until we start to notice the beauty and love and unity that awaits us. There is only one true way of achieving this and that is service to humanity above all our personal needs.

Take care and my love to you
Ray

For those who are seriously interested in consciousness growth I can direct you to some information which you may find useful. Just PM me with your interest and we can chat.

[araucaria]

Interesting post Finefeather, thank you.

I think your statement that past cannot be changed is a debatable one.

On one level, I think the notion of true forgiveness is one way of editing or undoing the past. Behaving consistently as if something had never happened will reduce it to total inconsequentiality.

This would also seem to be the mechanism at work in one version of the bigger picture, whereby evolved beings from some time in the future have come back to the here and now to rewrite a script that subsequently led or leads to havoc.

[RUSirius]

I cant prove it, it seems to me that there is not just one rule for time, I think its far more dynamic and manipulable then most of what is written and what we think. I do not think one rule applies because "time" could have many different levels of meaning for different places and "times". I personally at this moment cannot accept just one rule for time that applies to all things, but I could be wrong.

[Finefeather]

On one level, I think the notion of true forgiveness is one way of editing or undoing the past. Behaving consistently as if something had never happened will reduce it to total inconsequentiality.

Hi araucaria
I am of course not here to convince you of anything...we all convince ourselves when the time is right. :)

Forgiveness is not a change of some past event it is merely the resolution of the event. The event cannot be erased but the effect it may have had on something or someone can be put right...what you call "reduced to total inconsequentiality"
This does not change or wipe out the original event...this is how we learn. We keep in mind what we did in the past and try to learn from our actions.
We hear people say things like..."I forgive you, but I will never forget" because all our actions form part of our past knowledge...the problem is too few people look back to recall past mistakes and adjust their present actions.



This would also seem to be the mechanism at work in one version of the bigger picture, whereby evolved beings from some time in the future have come back to the here and now to rewrite a script that subsequently led or leads to havoc.

My opinion about this is that it is typical of the indoctrination effect of Hollywood science fiction movies. There are no people living in the future who can come back to change things here. Imagine the chaos if this was possible...people running around from the future back to the past in a desperate attempt to wipe their criminal records from history. History has been falsified enough as it is.
Actually unbeknown to most there is order in the cosmos.

Take care
Ray

[araucaria]

On one level, I think the notion of true forgiveness is one way of editing or undoing the past. Behaving consistently as if something had never happened will reduce it to total inconsequentiality.

Hi araucaria
I am of course not here to convince you of anything...we all convince ourselves when the time is right. :)

Forgiveness is not a change of some past event it is merely the resolution of the event. The event cannot be erased but the effect it may have had on something or someone can be put right...what you call "reduced to total inconsequentiality"
This does not change or wipe out the original event...this is how we learn. We keep in mind what we did in the past and try to learn from our actions.
We hear people say things like..."I forgive you, but I will never forget" because all our actions form part of our past knowledge...the problem is too few people look back to recall past mistakes and adjust their present actions.



This would also seem to be the mechanism at work in one version of the bigger picture, whereby evolved beings from some time in the future have come back to the here and now to rewrite a script that subsequently led or leads to havoc.

My opinion about this is that it is typical of the indoctrination effect of Hollywood science fiction movies. There are no people living in the future who can come back to change things here. Imagine the chaos if this was possible...people running around from the future back to the past in a desperate attempt to wipe their criminal records from history. History has been falsified enough as it is.
Actually unbeknown to most there is order in the cosmos.

Take care
Ray

Where we differ, FInefeather, is that you seem to be much more set in your convictions than I am. I would tend to take the view that things, including the past and also my personal convictions, are much more malleable than that. I would never say for instance "I forgive you but I shall never forget". It sounds almost like a contradiction in terms, and the fact that people are always saying it is no recommendation: since when have we been guided by popular wisdom? I'd rather say "I forgive you and give me enough time and I shall forget". Why would I want to hold on for ever to someone's mistakes? Even the judicial system doesn't do that.

One of the reasons why the past is malleable is that its factual nature is rarely simple or definitively established. Historians have been reinterpreting events ever since they first happened, unearthing fresh evidence, and reassessing old evidence. There is nothing straightforward about this process, not even the application of a new analysis tool. Once you've understood the concept of the false flag event as practised in Nazi Germany say, you can apply that concept to work out that Pearl Harbour was likely a false flag event, but you still need to do the spadework and dig up the evidence of that.

Our perceptions change too over time. We sometimes think back and wonder why we got so upset over this or that: in other words, we did not forgive but what we did do was we forgot!

[Finefeather]

Where we differ, FInefeather, is that you seem to be much more set in your convictions than I am. I would tend to take the view that things, including the past and also my personal convictions, are much more malleable than that. I would never say for instance "I forgive you but I shall never forget". It sounds almost like a contradiction in terms, and the fact that people are always saying it is no recommendation: since when have we been guided by popular wisdom? I'd rather say "I forgive you and give me enough time and I shall forget". Why would I want to hold on for ever to someone's mistakes? Even the judicial system doesn't do that.

I actually do not think we differ much...but in this case you seem to be suggesting some kind of memory failure. "I forgive you but I shall never forget" is not a contradiction in terms because forgiveness is divine and memory recall is a completely different concept. Do you mean to tell me that every bad thing that has ever happened to you is now lost to your memory?
I believe they call that alzheimer's disease :)

Take care dear friend
Ray

[araucaria]

Not memory failure: on the contrary, total assimilation of finished business, closure, moving on. I could scrape together a few bad memories, so it’s not Alzheimer’s :), but it would be like trying to remember moving up the scale looking for G on the piano: there was a time when, but it has long since become inert, lost in the foundations. It helps to be slow to take offence.

On the other hand, the forgetfulness that accompanies self-forgiveness can and should take longer, but while remorse is an essential part of the process (seeing what one has done through another’s eyes), the inability to forget is not a good idea and suggests to me at least a continued unforgivingness that needs to be processed until you can if possible forget.

[Mark]

Hi RUSirius,

after 2 years and a bit of change in Canada, I made the decision to come back to the states to complete some unfinished business. I did so knowing full well what the time was supposed to be and what could happen in this time while here. since my fiancee' and son are Canadian, the option to return there remains open, but I seem to have a feeling that I am supposed to be here in the states at this time for whatever reason. the way life is working out seems to be proving it so.

instead of having some master plan for my life and then following it step by step i have allowed my path to meander, to wander where it will as i follow the trails and clear spaces through the thickets and brambles. they seem to be leading in some direction that may be of greater benefit to my family and perhaps myself as well. i do not know, when i think of the future, all i see is light.

i think the last time i tried to prepare for a disaster was Y2K. had a couple of cans of food, some water. crackers. that didn't turn out so well. i made other decisions around that time that took my life down a dark path, although some wonderful things came out of it, proving to me that shadow requires light in order to even exist.

so, now, i'm back in the states. have gotten used to it again after being here now 7 months. there's a lot slated to happen, we'll see when and where exactly, i suppose, sooner or later. there's no rush. so i'm continuing along the path, wherever it leads. while i imagine i would and could make a decision based upon solid evidence of the actual potentiality of danger, as to where i might go or live next, even if there was some hazard involved, i still might go, if the reason to do so seemed solid enough.

i've been ok so far, the Ancestors and guardians are on the job. i live without letting fear guide my decisions, which, apparently, is crazy, according to my family. we will see, i guess. :)

[jiminii]

This thought arises because I will be living in the states soon. I've spent the last 3 years "prepping" in a third world country only to find myself going back to the place I left, thing is, its no different in this third world country, I can tell you first hand the NWO game plan and police state systems is in place and growing here as well with little to know resistance and seemingly total complacency and buy in, all seems to be falling in order.

Actually, there may be two aspects to your post -- which I think is a very thought provoking and interesting one.


Is it really safer anywhere else than in the US?
Do we have more time to 'prepare' than we think?

Yes, there's no one place in the world any more to hide out and ride out everything that might happen -- unless you're in the mountains of Bhutan (but even there, the Chinese border patrols might find you!), or on a South Pacific island where you'd have to live on fish and bananas for the rest of your life, completely cut off. The days have long gone where you could just move to Africa (as my own parents did after the war), and totally get away from it all.

Yes, electronic systems, traffic cameras, and a growing amount of bureaucratic documentation and paperwork are in place in Ecuador, too. The matrix is here as well. I understand that it's spreading all over, and there's no real escape.

But in Ecuador, they're not very good at processing their data: they often make big mistakes, there's a huge amount of inefficiency, and computer systems don't work properly or are not fully implemented. There's a lot of chaos, which is sometimes irritating -- but sometimes very helpful. :)

Because it's a small country, as well (where there really are a lot of good people, and I and my friends have found many of them), it's easy to find oneself talking personally to a senior decision-making official when trying to iron out a problem. Some of those officials have been heroic in their attempts to lend us a hand. Try doing that in the US -- it will not wok for the average man or woman. There is still a lot of humanity here.

Surveillance is a global issue. If you're on gmail or Facebook, whether you're in New York, Quito, Lagos or Delhi, it's all the same. It's all being read and captured.

For me, one reason I'm NOT in the US (although I have a perfectly valid visa and can be there quite legally) is that the worst-case scenario really is a heavy martial crackdown on the population after a series of staged events. There really are lists of targeted 'domestic extremists', and I'd certainly be on them, not too far from the top.

So would many others, of course, but becoming a martyr is not my game plan. I had already deliberately intended to stay well away from the melt-down and then assist in the recovery and rebuild (and offer leadership, clarity and direction if needed). One cannot do that from within a camp -- and the camps are real.

All that begs the question of whether this stuff will happen (and if so, when, which is the second part of your question). I'm not 100% certain that it will.

But I think it probably will, sometime in the next year. And it could be pretty nasty. I hope I'm wrong, and this is not an eat-my-hat bet. Miracles and transformations are possible. But I still have the spare tire in my trunk, and I think this is one of my missions this lifetime: to help with 'insurance' in case some bad things happen.

My pint-on-the-bar-room-table thoughts:


Probably will = 80%.
Could be pretty nasty = 40%.

"Nasty" here = a very major and traumatic 9-11 type event, troops in the streets, individuals interned without trial, closure (or serious limiting) of the net, etc.

I hope I'm wrong. But this might be what you're going back to, if you're returning to the US. And this won't happen in Ecuador, or Guyana.

To the second part of your question. How much time have we got?

The can keeps being kicked down the road. I'm a little surprised that we're here already (July 2013) with no global financial collapse, major war in the Middle East, or appalling false-flag event that kills thousands. This is not fear-mongering or neurosis. It's stark, look-it-in-the-face, carefully evaluated, courageous reality.

I often use the analogy that we're tracking Europe in the 1930s. We're watching Hitler carefully, many of our friends don't want to listen to our concerns, and some of us are planning to leave Germany and Poland before it's too late.

I used to say that it's like 1938. Now, I find myself saying it's like 1937-38. That might give us an extra six months. :)

But if any Jewish friends I knew in London told me they were planning to return to Berlin, I'd say: don't do it.

as for time ... I am sure beyond a doubt ... we got unlimited time .... but that surety comes from the spirit only ... this body still wants to wait out the remaining predictions ...

after this year ... I will not be worried anymore about who predicts anything ... I know we got the place exactly the way we want it

jim

[RUSirius]

Hi RUSirius,

after 2 years and a bit of change in Canada, I made the decision to come back to the states to complete some unfinished business. I did so knowing full well what the time was supposed to be and what could happen in this time while here. since my fiancee' and son are Canadian, the option to return there remains open, but I seem to have a feeling that I am supposed to be here in the states at this time for whatever reason. the way life is working out seems to be proving it so.

instead of having some master plan for my life and then following it step by step i have allowed my path to meander, to wander where it will as i follow the trails and clear spaces through the thickets and brambles. they seem to be leading in some direction that may be of greater benefit to my family and perhaps myself as well. i do not know, when i think of the future, all i see is light.

i think the last time i tried to prepare for a disaster was Y2K. had a couple of cans of food, some water. crackers. that didn't turn out so well. i made other decisions around that time that took my life down a dark path, although some wonderful things came out of it, proving to me that shadow requires light in order to even exist.

so, now, i'm back in the states. have gotten used to it again after being here now 7 months. there's a lot slated to happen, we'll see when and where exactly, i suppose, sooner or later. there's no rush. so i'm continuing along the path, wherever it leads. while i imagine i would and could make a decision based upon solid evidence of the actual potentiality of danger, as to where i might go or live next, even if there was some hazard involved, i still might go, if the reason to do so seemed solid enough.

i've been ok so far, the Ancestors and guardians are on the job. i live without letting fear guide my decisions, which, apparently, is crazy, according to my family. we will see, i guess. :)

Well brother you just said it (as usual) I have adopted this thinking, not out of brilliance but out of "whats the alternative?" FEAR! Not an option, I can say honestly that I am a bit hesitant, I think as if I'm returning to something terrible at times, but all my friends and family (including you and others here) are already there, we are in this together no matter where we live, no doubt.

[ulli]

This video should show all Americans that there is no time to lose.
Get cracking, people. System change.

http://beingliberal.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-3?g=3

[araucaria]

This video should show all Americans that there is no time to lose.
Get cracking, people. System change.

http://beingliberal.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-3?g=3

Since the 1% have almost totally soaked up most of the nation's finances, they have already made money largely irrelevant to the everyday living of many of the 99%. When the monetary system finally collapses, I reckon the majority will be better equipped to face their very slight losses compared with the few who will lose everything. The idea that monetary collapse is being engineered by the bankers is ludicrous. You can't play Monopoly by yourself.

[Chester]

Odds there is an event anywhere near the level Bill mentioned in post #5 above - less than 1%.

The planet is already fully controlled and there's no reason to throw away the Earth's most precious resource - living containers for souls.

[Chester]

Time is not an illusion...

Time is an illusion from the point of view of eternal consciousness represented by one's soul. Some have become enamored with things such as time and form and have forgotten their primal essence. They then make fallacious statements such as has been made in the post I quoted without providing proper context.

Of course, what I just stated is nothing more than opinion and is offered solely for those who have yet to be hopelessly brainwashed as food for thought.

What is true is for each of us to decide for ourselves individually.