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shadowstalker
18th July 2013, 15:14
I am sure I would be able to speak for most members here if I where to humbly request a Comprehensive and or general list of disinfo sites. As we well know some dis-info sites do sometimes and I do mean sometimes match up with other meaningful info, hence some confusion brought into the forum any forum for that matter.

The problem here for this issues is not the sites themselves as much as it is the attitudes on how folks are being treated for accidentally using these sites, the polite if not out right cuts done through this forum towards others ignorance.. This is not coaching this is out right arrogance.

I.E. Please, check your sources before re-publishing such crap here...

We are suppose support one another, not politely knock each other of there seats..
This is one of the reasons why folks quit forums.. Can anyone blame them?

I am sure this can be done, I have seen sub-forums being created several time in the past few years here, So it is very much possible.. So lets try to break the mold again and try to step up, and try to make this list together. Lets be the team we where meant to be.

This I know will benefit everyone here, especially when new members join up..

The adage figure it out your self doesn't always apply...

Thank you for listening :cool:

Joseph McAree
18th July 2013, 16:57
Hi Shadowstalker

I have noted with dismay and dissapointment that well meant post's are being attacked in this way, when found out to be false, I do not believe anyone in this forum would knowingly post something that the new to be false so the list of sites you ask for is one way to tackle the problem. The other way is for us to follow the forum rules and agree that we as forum members do not attack posts made in error, sometimes when there is a post made on a subject matter that has already been posted this is also often attacked by the original poster, the forum member would not knowingly repost an item as the would know this would be picked up as well.

The forum rules require us to respond in a respectful and dignified manner to all post, we need to just to follow these simple rules and understand the amount of information we are reviewing in this particular forum is massive and people make mistakes, guide them in the right direction this is what we are all about.

We all make mistakes, we don't need to make someone feel embarrassed or uncomfortable because of it, it's part of their learning or awakening, we are here to help each other, well I think that is why we are all HERE !

Best wishes to all and thanks for bringing this up Shadowstalker

Joe

Bubu
19th July 2013, 01:18
While there are sites that are honest it is very difficult to find which once. And then of course these sites also gather their info somewhere which means that like us they are also subject to being deceive. The best way as for me is to examine the materials carefully as I have mentioned many times in this forum most of them are baited hooks , so just gather the goodies and don't be hooked.

Paul
20th July 2013, 09:09
I am sure I would be able to speak for most members here if I where to humbly request a Comprehensive and or general list of disinfo sites. As we well know some dis-info sites do sometimes and I do mean sometimes match up with other meaningful info, hence some confusion brought into the forum any forum for that matter.
Unfortunately, I tend to be able to map a given site to an idea of how reliable it is, but not the other way around, listing unreliable sites. I don't keep a list of "bad sites" in my mind.

I also don't just rely on the source, but also on the content of what's posted. Most often, some posted material will "smell" too fishy to me, then I will notice it comes from a site that I associate with being untrustworthy (or reliably wrong.)

The frustration may come through from those who have spent the longest time dealing with alternative media sites, and find themselves debunking the same sort of nonsense, year after year, often times from the same sites. Those who have not been at this for as long will sometimes just have to grin and bear it, and hopefully learn something along the way.

We really would like for this site to have higher quality postings, and less blatant (to the seasoned observer) disinformation, and sometimes that means we really do have to "get the attention" of a poster, to motivate them to step up their game. This is sometimes best done in public view, so that others might have a chance to learn as well what we're striving for. We don't have nearly enough mod staff to hand hold all new members all the time, and this way we can also empower other more veteran members to speak up for higher quality postings.

Fred Steeves
20th July 2013, 11:42
We really would like for this site to have higher quality postings, and less blatant (to the seasoned observer) disinformation, and sometimes that means we really do have to "get the attention" of a poster, to motivate them to step up their game. This is sometimes best done in public view,

I see the dilemma Paul, keeping the forum high quality vs. good manners. Not an easy tightrope to walk for the mod team, but the thing is, even the most "seasoned observer" can mistakenly post "blatant" mis/disinformation. None of us are immune to that.

I would humbly suggest half measures if/when calling someone out in public. You know, enough to get the point across (for everyone) but not humiliate the poster. I know you guys are busy, and the service you provide in keeping Avalon the best forum on the net is much appreciated. But if there's time to really chastise and "get the attention" of someone in public, then there's time to do it in private. *IMHO*

Just an after thought here...If there really isn't the time (or the inclination) to perform the sometimes necessary unpleasantries in private, maybe consider a designated liaison to perform such duties?

Just trying to find some middle ground here.

Cheers,

Fred

Paul
20th July 2013, 11:59
I would humbly suggest half measures if/when calling someone out in public. You know, enough to get the point across (for everyone) but not humiliate the poster. I know you guys are busy, and the service you provide in keeping Avalon the best forum on the net is much appreciated. But if there's time to really chastise and "get the attention" of someone in public, then there's time to do it in private. *IMHO*
Personal problems are best addressed in private, I agree.

But sometimes we are dealing with a major purpose of the forum, not just an individual problem.

It is important that guiding principles of the forum be public, including sometimes using examples of actual activities on the forum to highlight what we mean, and to allow all members to understand our intentions, and decide for themselves what that means for them.

Open moderation and clear awareness of the forum's purpose and principles is important (essential, even), and sometimes outweighs privacy of criticism.

jiminii
20th July 2013, 12:59
this is from Free Zone
this might help to find Disinfo that would be perpetrated from this short list


Penetration

When one attempts to penetrate the morass of misinformation, false information and controlled release of "secret exposes" and other tantalizing bits abounding on this planet, it is mandatory to be well versed in and have no misunderstoods on the Data Series Policy Letters. Otherwise an investigator or "questing spirit" soon finds himself in one of the "cul-de-sacs" - traps set up exactly for that purpose: to dead-end any investigator.

(There is also a standard "handling" for any one who does manage to successfully penetrate the "mystery", which will be covered later.)

Following is a partial list of dead-end, cul-de-sac groups, which either have been created by the players of planetary control or have been infiltrated and taken over by them in the last 200 years:

The Masons
The Rosicrucians
The Middle Earth Society
The Golden Dawn
The Great White Brotherhood
Mensa (genius group)
Transcendental Meditation (TM)
The Church of Scientology of California
Religious Technology Center
The Isis Lodge
The Golden Centurians
The Shriners
The Knights Templar of Jerusalem
The Theosophists
Anthroposophists
Sekkulum (Student Organization)
The Church of God (of California)
The Unification Church (Moonies)
New Bhuddism of Shous
Brotherhood of Cona
Isthar (Mystic Group)
The Trogdolytes (Satanic Cult)
Temple Order of Bahomet
The Witches Guild
The Symbolists
Abrahamin (Biblical Group)
Madaer (Revelations Group)
The Order of Sufi
The Aquarians (sometimes called the Aquarian Conspiracy)
Prieure de Sion
The Bilderbergers
Rotarians
Better Business Bureau
Council of Foreign Relations
Scottish Rites (Masonic)
Illuminati
Illuminae
Communist Party
Red Brigades
Social Democrat Party
Socialist Party
Liberal Party
Republican Party
Labor Party
The World Council of Churches
National Council of Churches
World Federation of Mental Health
"Ban the Bomb" Groups
The World Bank
American Medical Association
London Times
New York Times
BBC
NBC
CBS
ABC
Associated Press
United Press
Reuters
The United Nations
World Health Organization
Food & Agriculture Organization
Club of Rome
Central Intelligence Agency
Federal Bureau of Investigation
MI-6
MI-5
Interpol
Harvard University
London School of Economics
The Seven Sisters (Seven Major World Oil Companies)
The Federal Reserve Board & Banks
International Monetary fund
Eximbank
Chase Manhattan Bank
Swiss Bank Corporation
P. AG
IBM
ITT
Bank of England
Central Banks of EEC Countries
Over 150 Banks in 3rd world countries
Bank of International Settlements
Major Aerospace Companies
The Royal Families of Holland, Spain, England and Sweden
Data Resources Institute
The European Parliament
Sandoz Laboratories (LSD producers)
Flying Tiger Freight Airlines
New Economist Magazine
Omni Magazine
Der Spiegel Magazine
Der Stern Magazine
Penthouse Magazine
Playboy Magazine
National Enquirer
Los Angeles Times
Washington Post
US - USSR Trade and Economic Council
The Business Round Table
Business Council
American Bankers Assn.
Council of Europe
Council of European Industrial Federations
Fulbright Research Foundation
World Assn. of World federalists
Research Group of Public Information
Appeal of Conscience Foundation
Four Freedoms Foundation
Rho Delta Epsilon
Delta Sigma Rho
Phi Kappa Psi
Alpha Delta Phi
Phi Beta Kappa
Pilgrims
Rockefeller Foundation
Woodrow Wilson School
Council on Foundations
Carnegie Endowment for Int. Peace
School of International Relations at Columbia University
Council for New York University Schools of Business
Royal Economic Society
Council for Science and Society
Council on Christian Approaches to Defense and Disarmament
Council for Arms Control
Stockholm Economic Club
Scandinavian Club
International Energy Agency
Permanent Court of Arbitration
Humanists
Odd Fellows
Legion d'Honneur
American Philosophical Society
Academy of Political Science
American Economic Assn.
American Statistical Assn.
American Academy of Arts and Sciences
Committee to Fight Inflation
International Monetary Fund
American Enterprise Institute
Bureau for Economic Research
International Institute for Management and Administration
Paris Club
European Monetary Co-operation Fund
International Finance Corporation of the U.N.
International Bank for Reconstruction and Development
European Investment Bank
Ciba Geigy

Note: This is only a partial list which includes the groups found in the course of investigation of Models & Scenarios. There are others. If you as a reader happen to know of any, please inform your nearest Galactic Patrol Representative.

Intention

To successfully break through the confusions and false data proliferating on Earth, one must be able to observe "intentions". To be able to observe intention one must realize there is always a source of intention, which is of course a being, thetan, "spiritual self" or source of life.

The intention of a leader of a group will be "felt" all the way through the organization. It may be amplified, dimmed, altered or hidden at any point but by checking enough data and interviewing enough members of a group, it will become quite clear.

For analyzing of the Planetary Control Game and tracing intention lines to the perpetrators, the following "intentions" were used as "homing beacons". The intention to:

Suppress Pro-Survival Ideas
Suppress Economics & Exchange
Suppress truth
Enforce conformity
Control thought
Suppress the true spiritual nature of man
Prevent Expansion
Inhibit Survival
Reduce people's space and freedom
Collect and use personal data for monitoring and control purposes
Take over any "free" or other groups which pose a threat
Invalidate opinion leaders not under their control
Use Secrecy for power
Handle affairs and people with "covert hostility" as a "policy"
Tracing the above intentions to and thru the organizations listed previously, anyone can find the perpetrators of planetary suppression.

They operate from Basel, Switzerland. Using Computer Models and Scenarios, they keep the world in a state of fear and confusion.

Purposes & Hats

To fully understand how the planetary control game players operate, it is not enough to know the names of their current bodies. One must also understand their purposes and hats in the game.

The overall purpose or goal is: "Total One-World domination and Control".

A senior policy is: "The end justifies the means".

Hatting materials or policy for the top players include the following: "As 'The end justifies the means' one can lie and spread lies about any honest man who may be against us, even the ones who might be an obstacle one day. You can thrust them aside, poison them, murder them, etc. In short whatever you need to do to help the great purpose. In case you are discovered in murdering someone, you then commit suicide - put the bullet thru your own head - so that you are immediately out of reach of the law. No king can protect the person who betrays us. A court will be called on any betrayer and if found guilty, he will be decreed to die".

Policy for executives below the top includes the following: For the secret, behind the scenes, power executive:

"Keep out of sight, never be in the public eye. But, keep your eyes on all the churches and religions who may pose a threat to our purposes. Work out ways secretly to weaken and destroy them in the eyes of the world. Or devise ways to take them over secretly for the benefit of our Order. Also watch carefully over our own Order and report anyone who might stray from the purpose or betray us."
And for the "out front" political or power executive: "Cultivate an attitude of knowing wisdom. Be quiet, unselfish, humble. Use 'please' when giving orders. Be refined so that, when giving a smiling reprimand, it cuts like a knife. Remember, intelligence wins, so run those below you so they don't 'feel' the yoke."

"Methods of control of 'humans' are uncountable, use them all in such a way as to be useful for our purposes. Secrets are wonderful as a control method, so keep the mystery going."
"High connections help to control our lines of operation. So drop names as being 'one of us'."

"Never show weakness, but you can always put the picture that you are 'weak' where you have firm control. Where we don't have control, put the picture that we are strong and feared."
"Study women. Say they are beautiful and praise them. They carry influence with men and children and can be very useful to our purpose."

"Influence the thinking of children and young people thru schools. Also take great care to control book suppliers and publishers. Should a writer put in a book things which do not fit in our plan, try to get him on our own side or ruin his reputation and get rid of him."
"Take over charitable organizations so we appear to be 'serving humanity' and thus be unassailable by anyone."

"Our shapes must be changed so we 'fit' into society. If only the another organization to cover ours. For instance the Free Masons are a good cover for our secret 'higher' purposes because the world is used to them."

"Cut any affinity lines to leaders of opinion which deviate from ours so they do not get public support and devotion. Put out the story and reinforce it by evidence and examples that 'they are only humans, make mistakes, are just like everyone else', etc."

"To make our own people known, use all our resources to make them a good reputation. Praise them loudly in all our cover organizations and in the press."

"Keep secrecy about everything, but don't appear in doubt. Answer questions with total certainty - but carefully - so as not to give away anything. Occasionally you can test your juniors by putting the picture there that you are speaking 'freely' and 'slip' out some information - that you actually want to be known or is unimportant - so they trust you, and you see if they can be trusted or not. Otherwise, answer as little as possible to juniors. On big operations, consult your senior."

"Remember also that the name of Science societies are a very beautiful mask to keep our intentions hidden from the uneducated and the lower classes. It can be used if anyone finds out about our secret meetings - we can always answer that we meet secretly for ''scientific research'."

"It is very important to study every aspect and organizational form of every other secret society and religion. Only in this way can we rule them." "Keep those below you in mystery as to who the real boss is so they will think 'anyone could be'."
"Publishers, bookstores, news media, schools, academies, military schools and all organizations who influence the government and education should be watched and controlled and you should continually make secret plans to take them over. Keep looking for everything we can use for our 'perfect human government'."

"Whatever is not good for our Order should remain an eternal secret."

Finally, for the Controlling executives in each planetary zone and area:

(Just below the top Players and just above the Power Executive)

"You should know the whole system as if you had invented it. You train and instruct and give approvals to plans and operations of the 'secret' and 'open' power executives. You are above them all."

"You must be born in the area you control. You work full time on our purpose but not in the open or on a public post. You give the 'apparency' of being 'retired' or just doing 'hobbies'. In other words, you are using a totally safe, harmless, unremarkable cover apparently connected to nothing at all."

"You should always be in the place that you can most easily control from. You will get a new secret name when appointed. Your old secret name will be given to another. You are now above your old position and your new secret name will be only known to your seniors."

"You use your power to support all that is good for our Order and suppress all that is bad for our Order."
"Appear to have no enemies and never tolerate nepotism."

"If you misuse the power, remember, we have the possibilities and devices for punishing you. If you use it well, you will be given money, land, services and other rewards."

Methods of Spiritual Control

The "devices" mentioned in the preceding paragraph are actually high frequency wave generators that can transmit intention over a distance. They are used to cause people to have "accidents", to think they are "crazy" and to restimulate people's banks. Following is a description of the most common types in "secret" use:

The Tepaphone - A high frequency wave generator that affects the mental masses around a person's body. It is used with intention behind it. It is portable and has a range of 50 to 100 meters. It can change valences and can be used to implant pictures and suggestions. It can be used very effectively in combination with hypnosis and drugs. It was invented in 1956 by Johannis Older. Its existence and use is kept a closely guarded secret by the planetary control game players.
The Eckhoff Telepathyzing Machine - Based on a patent by Nikolai Tesla and developed by Eckhoff, the telepathyzing machine has a larger range than the Tepaphone. It has however a similar effect and gives both mental and physical reactions. It is used to implant thoughts over a distance, again by influencing the masses and entities around a thetan and his body.
The High Frequency Flows Machine - Developed since 1971, another machine based on a Tesla patent, the idea here being to narrow the beam and concentrate it over a very long distance so it can be effective for transmitting intention via satellite. Purpose: identical to the former two machines - that of implanting thoughts and suggestions over a distance.
The machines above are only effective if the victim is not aware that there are such machines in daily use on Earth and believes that when "beamed" on by one, it is really his own case and thus interiorizing his attention and misowning the effect and getting the full impact of it.

Actually TR 0 (confront) can handle any of these machines and their operators. No effect will be felt by a person aware enough to spot what is happening and just confront it. If he also drives an intention back over the beam toward the operator, the effect will be on the operator, who will quickly turn off the machine or go play elsewhere.

The "Eternal" Secrets of the Players

As you may have noticed while reading the previous paragraphs there are several questions which may be asked:

Q 1. Are the players aware that they are not bodies but immortal beings?
A 1. Yes.
Q 2. Have they been the same players operating through a series of bodies and keeping the game going for the last several hundred years?
A 2. Yes.
Q 3. Is this one of their "eternal" secrets?
A 3. Yes.
Q 4. Is there then some "secret" purporse behind the "total one-world domination and control" purpose?
A 4. Yes.
Q 5. Could it be that these "players" are not from Earth at all but merely regard humans as a race to be subjected and enslaved?
A 5. Yes.
Q 6. Is this another of their "eternal" secrets?
A 6. Yes.
Q 7. Is then the "secret" purpose the purpose to take over control of Earth for the benefit of some other star system?
A 7. Yes.
Q 8. Would this by any chance be the same type of beings the late son of the Founder used to refer to in his lectures; the status oriented, total control maintaining, conformity requiring beings known as the Markabians? The ones that have 7 planets out toward Polaris?
A 8. Yes.
Q 9. Is this another of the "eternal" secrets, that is, that Earth is being subjugated to the Markabians who are trying to make it Planet 8?
A 9. Yes.
Q 10. Are the Markabians also in favor of implanting and thought control and drugs and propaganda to keep populations conforming under control?
A 10. Yes.
Q 11. Are they now putting in their form of mind-control government as the "solution" to the wars-pollution-terrorism-catastrophies scenarios that they created as the "problems" which have gripped the world with fear and apathy?
A 11. Yes.
Q 12. But aren't there some Markabians who want a safe, sane productive, peaceful planet - a free one not under control?
A 12. Yes.
Q 13. Then, there must be conflict and non-conformity and betrayal even amongst the Markabians, is that correct?
A 13. Yes.
Q 14. Would this account for some notable political assassinations, bankruptcies and power plays even amongst the insiders?
A 14. Yes.
Q 15. The group currently in control in Basel must then be the ones who favor implanting and mind control, since it continues unabated since the Church of Scientology got taken over and in fact is evident even in the Church, is that correct?
A 15. Yes.
Q 16. This Herr J. who was mentioned in Models and Scenarios then must be the Chief proponent of the implanter faction, correct?
A 16. Yes.
Q 17. Is he the being Ron refers to as "Xenu" in the "Revolt in the Stars" film and III materials, the being, who ordered the nuclear blasting of Earth 75 million years ago?
A 17. Yes.
Q 18. Then he must have escaped from his imprisonment and taken a position with the Markabians to subjugate Earth for their use, right?
A 18. Yes.
Q 19. Are the Markabians and Xenu subject to any higher game level control or influence which could help get Earth out of the situation it's in? I mean, it's no fun looking forward to a future of being a slave on a slave planet, controlled by implants, drugs and computers. There must be some beings who can do something about it. Am I right?
A 19. Yes.
Q 20. Is it this group I've been hearing about, who can handle this mess and act and get the people of Earth to wake up and choose their own destiny as citizens of a Free Zone planet taking its place in the society of the Galactic Civilization and playing a survival, expansion, flourish and prosper, fun game called "The New Civilization Game". - Is not it the group known as the Galactic Patrol?
A 20. Yes.
Astar Paramejgian
Deputy Sector Commander
Sector 9
Galactic Patrol

Note: Stay alert for the next issue in this series "Markab, the final Handling".

Prodigal Son
20th July 2013, 13:10
The satire site that stands out most in my mind is "The Onion"... mainly because when I first ventured out into the alternative news world in 2006 I actually fell for this bogus article about G. Dubya being involved in a mass Satanic Ritual Murder of children in Brownsville TX in 1984.... although I still wouldn't rule it out as impossible :)

Bush 'Refuses To Dignify' Mass-Murder Allegations (http://www.theonion.com/articles/bush-refuses-to-dignify-massmurder-allegations,397/)

RunningDeer
20th July 2013, 13:38
Deleted. I'm off topic.
:focus:

foreverfan
20th July 2013, 15:30
http://beforeitsnews.com/

Ron Mauer Sr
20th July 2013, 22:16
this is from Free Zone
this might help to find Disinfo that would be perpetrated from this short list


Penetration

When one attempts to penetrate the morass of misinformation, false information and controlled release of "secret exposes" and other tantalizing bits abounding on this planet, it is mandatory to be well versed in and have no misunderstoods on the Data Series Policy Letters. Otherwise an investigator or "questing spirit" soon finds himself in one of the "cul-de-sacs" - traps set up exactly for that purpose: to dead-end any investigator.

(There is also a standard "handling" for any one who does manage to successfully penetrate the "mystery", which will be covered later.)

Following is a partial list of dead-end, cul-de-sac groups, which either have been created by the players of planetary control or have been infiltrated and taken over by them in the last 200 years:


The Rosicrucians
Transcendental Meditation (TM)



I would not say the Rosicrucian Order is a disinformation/satire site, although they did have issues that felt uncomfortable to me. In the late 70's I was a member. I did not have any luck with the exercises described in the monographs. But one thing I noticed were frequent pinpoints of light showing up, eyes closed or not. Was that experience related to joining the Rosicrucians? Wish I knew. Maybe the lights showed up because I started researching metaphysical information. Before I retired, a pinpoint of light would often show up when I was about to make a mistake using a computer. That was neat.

My relationship with the Rosicrucian Order went downhill when there was internal fighting over who was going to control the organization. That raised a red flag. Then, in a monograph, they suggested members mention the Rosicrucian Order in their will as appreciation for all the members had been taught. That was it for me. I stopped paying dues and they stopped sending monographs. I did enjoy the book by a Rosicrucian, Joseph Tweed, titled Wisdom of the Mystic Masters.

Transcendental Meditation was another experiment. When I was able to get quiet, I always felt better after a session. While meditating using TM, I did get some accurate information that surprised me. Now my meditations do not use a mantra. I just focus on my breath. If TM should be included in this list, I do not know why. Maybe Deepak Chopra could answer that one. Deepak was close to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (who brought TM to the western world) for a while.

Maybe any discipline can become a dead end if one stops looking outside of group think.