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ktlight
21st July 2013, 10:39
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nqNmrs0f7A

"Published on Jul 21, 2013
He was brought from India to the England to be educated in the esoteric, and it worked! Alexander explains about him"

Flash
21st July 2013, 13:46
I was flaberghasted when i found out, written by his "adoptive" daughter, that all his life, Krishnamurti has lived a hidden life, having his main American assistant as a lover, his assistant being officially the wife of his accountant/book publisher - another indian. He did everything in his power for the world NOT to know about this so that he could continue his work without controversy. He also, at the end of his life, sued his publisher - husband of his lover - to the teeth, making the publisher life unbearable and destroyed him, when, in fact, it was not necessary.

Apart from this, the girl/woman said he was a good father figure to her.

What it told me is that he was an ordinary human being who had been given extraordinary powers by the people, not by his own will.

What I also thought is "how can you be a fully spiritual being if you are living in lies, whatever the lies are?"

So I now take Krishnamurti as a good speaker, with some spiritual knowledge that can help understand the here and now for example.

chocolate
21st July 2013, 19:51
Flash, I think you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Whatever you read may not be the truth. I have known some facts about Krishnamurti, public facts, nothing too special or under the table, and I do think he had his powers. But trying to live as he states "in a sick society" is not an easy task. He was a living person, not perfect.

Flash
21st July 2013, 20:26
What I read was from the daughter he raised, all his life. She considered him as a dad. The book was well written, loving but, in my idea, quite truthful.

However, as you say, he was human. This says it all. A wise human with certain spiritual evolution. As we all can be.

turiya
21st July 2013, 20:35
I was flaberghasted when i found out, written by his "adoptive" daughter, that all his life, Krishnamurti has lived a hidden life, having his main American assistant as a lover, his assistant being officially the wife of his accountant/book publisher - another indian. He did everything in his power for the world NOT to know about this so that he could continue his work without controversy. He also, at the end of his life, sued his publisher - husband of his lover - to the teeth, making the publisher life unbearable and destroyed him, when, in fact, it was not necessary.

Apart from this, the girl/woman said he was a good father figure to her.

What it told me is that he was an ordinary human being who had been given extraordinary powers by the people, not by his own will.

What I also thought is "how can you be a fully spiritual being if you are living in lies, whatever the lies are?"

So I now take Krishnamurti as a good speaker, with some spiritual knowledge that can help understand the here and now for example.

A cross post from another thread... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59800-Programming-the-unconcious-mind&p=684639&viewfull=1#post684639)



Where did these techniques came from? People's memories? "Accidental" discoveries? Or the very critters who invented it in the first place?

I would submit that, perhaps, the basis for these kind of [mind control] techniques were initially cultivated within the Theosophy Movement, notably, by way of Charles Webster Leadbeater, associate of Annie Besant, in the attempts to create a "World Teacher". I suspect that this is where such techniques found their beginnings. Leadbeater is noted to have also been an upper tiered Freemason. I believe by then, the Illuminati had many that were members of both these secret societies.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Elo6Im4oD8
There seem to have been several candidates that had been selected by Leadbeater. In 1906 Leadbeater was accused of having encouraged adolescent boys, pupils under his care, to masturbate. Roland Vernon writes:

"It came to light that Leadbeater had been teaching his boys masturbation, and had been encouraging them to practise it regularly...


"Leadbeater had in the past repeatedly stated the importance of sexual purity." There is much evidence that Leadbeater frequently shared beds with his pupils.Source (http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2013/03/leadbeater-wedgwood-krishnamurti.html)
(Star in the East: Krishnamurti, the Invention of a Messiah by Roland Vernon, Constable, 2000, page 164)

Around 1907, 11-year-old Hubert van Hook of Chicago was selected by Leadbeater as the possible Messiah. Hubert later swore that Leadbeater had 'misused' him. Mary Lutyens, in Krishnamurti: The Years of Awakening, had this to say regarding Leadbeater and another of Leadbeater's favorite boys:

"Leadbeater came prancing down the wharf ... holding on to the arm of a very good-looking blond boy of about fifteen. This was Theodore St John, an Australian boy of great charm and sweetness, who was Leadbeater's current favourite and who slept in his room."




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Krishnamurti

In 1909, while in India, Leadbeater "discovered" handsome fourteen-year-old Jiddu Krishnamurti at Adyar. Leadbeater believed Krishnamurti to be the new Messiah, the World Teacher. Leadbeater stayed in India until 1915, overseeing the education of Krishnamurti; he then relocated to Australia.



http://www.reversespins.com/besant.jpg


Not sure of the credibility of the source of the following (http://www.real-debt-elimination.com/child_protection/black_masonry_devoted_to_the_knowledge_of_evil.htm ), but there is this quote from Leadbeater's own writings about the importance for Freemasonry to understand evil & its relationship to God:


Black Masonry as it was taught by 33 Mason, C.W. Leadbeater. Not only was Leadbeater a prominent Mason, he also was an influential Theosophist and worked closely on many projects with the head of Theosophy, Annie Bessant. Leadbeater, according to some sources was a homosexual pedophile. According to Leadbeater, Black Masonry is degrees 19 through 30 in the Scottish Rite and are known as the Council of KADOSH. In the following quotes, "Knight K. H." is the Masonic abbreviation for Knight Kadosh. In the following quote from Leadbeater's book, Ancient Mystic Rites, he defines the scope of Black Masonry and talks about its relationship to evil, suffering and vengeance.


Few indeed of our Egyptian brethren appear to have passed beyond the Rose-Croix, for only the few needed anything further than the splendid revelation of the indwelling Love of God which they received in what we call the Eighteenth Degree. But for those few who felt that there was yet more to learn of the nature of God, and who eagerly wished to understand the meaning of evil and suffering and its relation to the divine plan, the prototype of our Black Masonry existed, the teaching and progress comprised in our degrees from the nineteenth to the thirtieth. This section of the Mysteries was especially concerned with the working out o f Karma in its different aspects, studied as a low of retribution, from one point of view dark and terrible. This is the inner kernel of truth lying behind the vengeance-elements in the degree of Knight K.H.

After Alice Bailey took over the reigns of the Theosophical Movement after Annie Besant went by the wayside, it appears to me that Theosophy slipped further into darkness, as Freemasonry adopted much of her Theosophical writings, which were then published by the publishing company that her & her husband created - Lucifer Publishing Co.


What I also thought is "how can you be a fully spiritual being if you are living in lies, whatever the lies are?"


...It is only through the illusory that the real can be known...

turiya :cool:

mahalall
21st July 2013, 22:36
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In this interview one can understand the frustration of Knishnamurti at the limited experiencial insight of the intellectual Prof. Rahula (buddhist Monk). Saddly though the serious of interviews appeared to have been staged-with Knishnamurti knowing his opponents weakness and exploiting it to prove his point. If the Prof. Rahula really knew the expansive nature of the presence of atomic impermance the two might have enjoyed a cup of tea with a smile and wink.

Ria
21st July 2013, 23:25
Krishnamurti, was surrounded by a whole retinue of beautiful woman and had a number of concurrent relationships, it was no secret at the same time it was not broadcasted either. The relationships with mind and soul spilled over into the physical expression. This is my understanding while residing in Brockwood Park House Hampshire England.

mahalall
21st July 2013, 23:43
He would often be heard complimenting beauti in all things-that were beautiful (and so true). One wonders though what might he have said in responce to the seduction of the beauti-that its the attachment that causes the difficulties?

ktlight
22nd July 2013, 11:14
One wonders though what might he have said in responce to the seduction of the beauti-that its the attachment that causes the difficulties?

He probably would not have named it, therefore he would not suffer it.

ktlight
22nd July 2013, 11:17
"Krishnamurti
In 1909, while in India, Leadbeater "discovered" handsome fourteen-year-old Jiddu Krishnamurti at Adyar. Leadbeater believed Krishnamurti to be the new Messiah, the World Teacher. Leadbeater stayed in India until 1915, overseeing the education of Krishnamurti; he then relocated to Australia."

K also suffered at Leadbetter's hands. In a biography it was stated that he suffered syphilis of the mouth as a young boy.