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Conaire
26th July 2013, 00:21
I wanted to bring some awareness to what is happening in Russia. Serious human rights are being violated.

Putin has signed into law on June 30 (1) the "gay propaganda" bill, banning gay pride marches and the possibility of being sent to prison for talking to a child about gay issues or that gay people even exist. He has described "gay propaganda" as pornography.


The law is broad and vague, so that any teacher who tells students that homosexuality is not evil, any parents who tell their child that homosexuality is normal, or anyone who makes pro-gay statements deemed accessible to someone underage is now subject to arrest and fines.

(2) Another law that could send gay (or "pro-gay") tourists visiting Russia to prison, including touring musicians, artists or athletes (Russia is to host the Winter Olympics this year).

(3) Banning the adoption of Russian-born children to same sex couples or single parent of a country where marriage equality exists.


Finally, it is rumored that Mr. Putin is about to sign an edict that would remove children from their own families if the parents are either gay or lesbian or suspected of being gay or lesbian. The police would have the authority to remove children from adoptive homes as well as from their own biological parents.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/22/opinion/russias-anti-gay-crackdown.html?_r=0
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/11/russia-gay-law-tourists-_n_3581217.html

This can not be tolerated. Peoples lives are in serious danger.

A facebook group has been set up urging people to boycott Russian Vodka. Please, if you have a facebook account follow the link, like and share. Spread awareness of this issue. If you are a Vodka drinker, please boycott Russian Vodka, for now, until Putin comes to his senses.

https://www.facebook.com/BoycottRussianVodka?ref=stream


Maybe with global awareness the lives of gay, lesbian and transgendered people in Russia could have a brighter future. For me, the worst part of this atrocity is the children that are discovering and coming to terms with their own sexuality. They will have no one to talk to as it is now against the law to talk to a child about issues relating to being gay. How horrible it will be for those kids having no one to turn to and at a time in their life when they really need it and in my opinion that amounts to cruelty.

ghostrider
26th July 2013, 04:19
Now we can't have a person loving another person can we ??? a war march thats okay ...

Nickolai
27th July 2013, 00:38
I liked the idea about Russian Vodka...LOL

Sure Putin is scary!

Conaire
27th July 2013, 01:20
What do you like about it?

Nickolai
27th July 2013, 11:27
Actually I find the idea silly. There is no way the boycott helps the situation. That's it!

Nick Matkin
27th July 2013, 11:50
And this is the sort of thing that happens (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/26/russian-nazi-torture-gay-teens_n_3658636.html)when the media and government create the environment where despicable, hate-filled vigilantism springs up unhindered and where the authorities turn a blind eye.

In this case they don't even seem to have some religious objection - just an obscene excuse to torture and humiliate.

Nick

Star Tsar
27th July 2013, 14:54
Hmmm I bet there won't be a report on RT about this!

:tape:

Vitalux
27th July 2013, 15:05
Now that is interesting. A law that prohibits human's from being gay.
What an interesting way to generate fear.

Nick Matkin
27th July 2013, 15:37
Hmmm I bet there won't be a report on RT about this!

:tape:

Precisely - you probably won't!

And when that nut-case Mugabe threatens to behead homosexuals (http://allafrica.com/stories/201307260786.html) is there any wonder the hard of thinking go round looking to beat up or kill people they perceive as gay or lesbian?

Some of the world is drifting back into the Dark Ages, while most of Europe, Australasia and the Americas are more enlightened and seriously consider or even implement equal marriage.

And I can't understand all that religious nonsense about homosexuality bringing about the destruction of society/civilisation/mankind. With a population of 7bn and climbing, I think Mother Earth could do with encouraging 'non-breeders' for the foreseeable future.

Nick

Vitalux
27th July 2013, 18:49
Now that is interesting. A law that prohibits human's from being gay.
What an interesting way to generate fear.


I just wanted to expand on the above post. It is often hard to communicate our thoughts with words.

In Russia, it is interesting that they passed a law that prohibits human's from being gay. :confused:
From my guess, Russia is using fear tactics on it's population to keep them suspicious (fearful) of each other.:(

Even if.....there were not a single gay living in Russia, everyone would be looking at each other for signs of gayness and afraid of what others might think about them. :gossip:

What an interesting illusion.. we do find ourselves living in.:playball:

avid
27th July 2013, 19:12
Wrong wrong!!! He is just stopping the promotion of gay/lesbian stuff in schools. He is trying to stop the unnecessarily early sexualisation of young children. He is not banning gay/lesbian people, just the promotion of that lifestyle to young children, until they can decide for themselves.
I am fed up with the pornographication by MSM for kids now. Tiny children dressed in almost adult-wear - high heels at 3-4!!! Make-up. It's destroying their innocence and inviting predatory behaviour. Thanks to MSM (who are promoting this rubbish) we should switch off! Why are the MSM doing this? Ghastly thoughts by vile and corrupted minds...... Jimmy Saville would be proud of his 'achievements'.... :mad2:

Vitalux
27th July 2013, 19:34
Wrong wrong!!! He is just stopping the promotion of gay/lesbian stuff in schools. He is trying to stop the unnecessarily early sexualisation of young children. He is not banning gay/lesbian people, just the promotion of that lifestyle to young children, until they can decide for themselves.


Some folks here are a bit suspicious :suspicious: of the laws that governments make, especially laws that target groups.

Historically there are similar situations that started this kind of education at the school level.

me...I have absolutely no solution, I am just expressing what I observe.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_tmOYAbNKf7w/S_8UiToq9zI/AAAAAAAADnM/ANz3Xs256ho/s320/gay-nazis1.jpg

Observer1964
27th July 2013, 21:29
Wrong wrong!!! He is just stopping the promotion of gay/lesbian stuff in schools. He is trying to stop the unnecessarily early sexualisation of young children. He is not banning gay/lesbian people, just the promotion of that lifestyle to young children, until they can decide for themselves.
I am fed up with the pornographication by MSM for kids now. Tiny children dressed in almost adult-wear - high heels at 3-4!!! Make-up. It's destroying their innocence and inviting predatory behaviour. Thanks to MSM (who are promoting this rubbish) we should switch off! Why are the MSM doing this? Ghastly thoughts by vile and corrupted minds...... Jimmy Saville would be proud of his 'achievements'.... :mad2:
I tend to agree to this.
I also think it is wrong to promote gay lifestyles or the idea that being gay is the norm, I dont think that being gay is totally unnatural, but it isnt the norm or the nature of things...
even more wrong I think is to allow gay ppl to adopt children. That is to much of a wrong example to young kids and can easily screw their minds.
example;


Lesbian Parents Put Their Eight-Year-Old Boy Through a Sex Change
by CASSY on MAY 10, 2013
http://victorygirlsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/article-2043345-0E25861300000578-161_634x384-300x181.jpg
(Thomas/Tammy sure looks happy now huh?)

Most rational human beings understand that a young child does not have the wisdom and maturity needed to make decisions that will affect them for the rest of their life. After all, a kid can barely make up their mind on what their favorite color is, or what movie they like best, let alone huge life choices. So it is the job of a parent to help guide the child, and make big decisions for them. After all, would a parent let their child choose what new job Mommy or Daddy will take? What city they’re going to move to? Which school to attend? Of course not. Parents are expected to intervene and lay down the law.

A notable exception is the rare parent who will allow their children to go through a sex change as young as eight. Because, hey, an eight-year-old is totally mature enough to know that they want to change their gender for the rest of their life, right? They might change their mind every other day on literally everything else, but oh no — they’re sure about this.

With that, read on about a California boy whose lesbian parents decided to let him begin a sex change at the young age of eight.



The lesbian parents of an 11-year-old boy who is undergoing the process of becoming a girl last night defended the decision, claiming it was better for a child to have a sex change when young.

Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment in Berkeley, California to stop him going through puberty as a boy.

The mothers say that one of the first things Thomas told them when he learned sign language aged three – because of a speech impediment – was, ‘I am a girl’.

At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, psychiatrists diagnosed Thomas with gender identity disorder. By the age of eight, he began transitioning.

It couldn’t possibly be because he’s being raised by two women, could it?

The entire reason they claim their child wanted to be a girl was because, well, he said so. So what about a child who wants to be a car? Or a bird? Or a dinosaur? I mean, hey, that’s who they were meant to be, right? So why not fulfill their delusions so they can be happy? Nevermind that an elementary schooler is going to undergo a huge life-changing decision. It’s what they say they want, and a parent couldn’t possibly say no, right?


wanna read more... (http://victorygirlsblog.com/?p=11089)

Vitalux
27th July 2013, 21:40
I also think it is wrong to promote gay lifestyles or the idea that being gay is the norm, I dont think that being gay is totally unnatural, but it isnt the norm or the nature of things...

I think this discussion could get interesting? :popcorn:

Nick Matkin
27th July 2013, 21:42
This make it look as if two lesbians want to force a sex change on their adopted boy.

This is not the case. No doctor would allow such a dreadful act. This is the sort of barbaric thing Dr Mengele would have done to his inmates.

There is more to the story. (http://riggedreality.com/news-8-year-old-boy-begins-sex-change-because-he-and-his-lesbian-parents-knew-he-always-wanted-to-be-a-girl/)

Conaire
27th July 2013, 21:59
It helps the situation by bringing awareness to it. It's not going to topple the Putin regime, obviously. But the point is something had to be done. It's being proactive. I, for one can't turn a blind eye.

Conaire
27th July 2013, 22:42
@ Avid; you wrote: "Wrong wrong!!! He is just stopping the promotion of gay/lesbian stuff in schools. He is trying to stop the unnecessarily early sexualisation of young children."

What you wright is wrong wrong!!! Read the articles I posted in my original post to find out more!!!

Then you wrote: "He is not banning gay/lesbian people, just the promotion of that lifestyle to young children"

Would you mind tell me what "the gay lifestyle" is? Honestly, I have no idea. Lifestyle, to me, suggests a choice. As far as I'm aware, no one has ever chosen to be gay. People are born gay, ergo no choice. And in your mind do all gay men and women live this same "lifestyle". Just curious.

Next you wrote: "I am fed up with the pornographication by MSM for kids now"

And so you should be but what has that got to do with being gay?

Then, your final comment of "Ghastly thoughts by vile and corrupted minds...... Jimmy Saville would be proud of his 'achievements".

Again, wtf has this got to do with being gay? Honestly, I found your post borderline homophobic.

Conaire
27th July 2013, 23:11
@ Observer1964; you wrote: "I also think it is wrong to promote gay lifestyles or the idea that being gay is the norm, I dont think that being gay is totally unnatural, but it isnt the norm or the nature of things...
even more wrong I think is to allow gay ppl to adopt children. That is to much of a wrong example to young kids and can easily screw their minds."

This is not borderline homophobic, this is downright homophobic. What is the norm, in you opinion? I do not quite understand what you mean by "the norm" or "the nature of things". Maybe you could expand on this, please.

Every same sex parent family I know that have children, let me tell you, the children's head's are definitely not screwed with. Of the few same sex parent families I know personally in Ireland, the children are confident, well adjusted and happy kids. I think these families are trailblazing, brave families, definitely. But, it's the future. In my world and in the world of many many people alive today there is no such thing as the "norm". And in my opinion the problem isn't that gay people exist and that they want to have families. The problem is the people standing in their way. Like Putin, and Mugabe and their ilk...

Observer1964
27th July 2013, 23:58
This make it look as if two lesbians want to force a sex change on their adopted boy.

This is not the case. No doctor would allow such a dreadful act. This is the sort of barbaric thing Dr Mengele would have done to his inmates.

There is more to the story. (http://riggedreality.com/news-8-year-old-boy-begins-sex-change-because-he-and-his-lesbian-parents-knew-he-always-wanted-to-be-a-girl/)

Problem is that we cant verify what is what or how it would have been if the child would have been raised by a natural couple.
I know my oldest son at age 8 was not busy with sexuality or being boy or girl, but with toys and computergames.

anyway, I am not anti gay, but anti gay-promotion, just as I am anti sex-promotion in open media or commercial signs. For me it has to do with decency, not depicting humans as sextoys, even if they themselves dont mind.

on a side note, I do have homosexual friends, a man and a woman, brother and sister, and had some really good times with them, even been to a gay-party (together with my wife) at the party were mostly ppl from the islamic world so I do understand the problems they had in their home-country, and I am happy for them that they can live their life freely here.

On a spiritual view, I believe in reincarnation and that we incarnate a number of lives as man, and a number of lives as woman and believe the first live we live as man or woman, our souls still are to much used to be the other sex and still feel attracted to what used to be the opposite sex and thus become homosexual. So we all (as souls) have lives in wich we are homosexual.

Observer1964
28th July 2013, 00:10
@ Observer1964;
This is not borderline homophobic, this is downright homophobic. What is the norm, in you opinion? I do not quite understand what you mean by "the norm" or "the nature of things". Maybe you could expand on this, please.


The Norm is that only 2 ppl of opposit sex can have children, so a child should also be growing up in a normal (man and woman) family situation, even if the child itself (him or her) turns out to be homosexual.
2 man cant produce a child nor 2 woman can produce a child, so they should not be allowed to adopt either. very simple. and no offence to gay ppl intended.

If a lesbian couple want a child, one of them can have sex with a man so i dont really object to that, but not allowing them to adopt.

for the rest I think I made myself clear enough, and I am not homophobic.

Observer1964
28th July 2013, 00:16
I am just against sexualisation of society in general.

Why put a half naked woman in a commercial sign for a car or whatever, why this appealing to our instincts.
and how unhealthy is it, how unfriendly to humans, its degrading all of us.

Conaire
28th July 2013, 01:04
I don't want to get off topic too much; that being the human right violations in Russia.

But I'd like to know what you think would happen if a child was raised by two gay men? What do you think would happen to that child. Honestly, the only negative thing I can think of is that the child would be bullied by other children of homophopic parents. A child isn't naturally homophopic, it's something that's picked up.( from a parent, for example). Children are, for the most part, are pure. They have no problem if their friend has two daddies or two mummies. I know this from personal experience.

So, what is so wrong with having two fathers or two mothers. And the excuse that it's not natural is not a valid excuse because we humans do a lot of unnatural things but we adapted to them and changed. Usually for the better of humanity.

Observer1964
28th July 2013, 01:49
And the excuse that it's not natural is not a valid excuse

Who gave you the authority to claim what is or isn't a valid excuse.

I dont see it as an excuse, 2 man cant produce a child... period.
2 woman cant produce a child... unless helped by a man
no excuse needed.

Having children is not a right to be claimed !

A child that is adopted has rights, like savety food, education, etc. but it is in one way or another robbed of its natural parents.

but to have a child is not a right to be claimed from anyone, if you cant produce them yourself than your just having bad luck.
there are also women who cant have children... thats just bad luck, not a denial of rights.

That rich ppl can buy a child from some poor suckers in some far away land is not a form of justice, its abuse of those poor ppl who have been robbed of a decent life by some psychopaths called politicians, bankers and other scum that have manipulated the world to what it is.

I think your thinking from your own (selfish) point of view.
normally a child is adopted becoz its natural parents have died, it is a unselfish deed or it should be.
A child that is sold is a slave.
anyway...

I think I said enough on how I feel about it.

And I do feel homosexuals are human too and have humanrights
(but I think that the fact that we talk about human rights is becoz these rights are nonexsisting the moment you really need them)

The Truth Is In There
28th July 2013, 12:25
homosexuality is not an unnatural condition, it's even created to serve certain purposes in the pack (the wolves who love and defend the pack leader after he beat them) BUT what humans do is unnatural. for example letting gays adopt children or promoting homosexuality almost as something to be desired or tried out just for fun. this screws with natural development and can create lasting defects in the children who are raised by gay couples or become victims of gay propaganda.

apart from that it's the old divide and conquer strategy - playing straight people against gays. we know who's behind all of this, don't we? human development is turning more and more unnatural and we get the bill for that with increasing rates of diseases, especially of the psychological kind. this is just one more nail for our coffin.

Conaire
28th July 2013, 18:37
I wasn't asking about how to "produce" a child. Lets take that as a given. What I was wondering about is what you think would happen if a child was raised by two male parents, or two female parents. Simple.

The fact of the matter is orphanages are full around the world. For myriad reasons children are parentless and are in need of loving families. I agree with you that there can be selfishness associated with having children. There is also a human instinct of wanting to have children. It's animalistic. We are probably on the same page when it comes to the rights of a child. In my opinion children's rights should be paramount. Children should be the most protected people on the planet. Period.

I just dont see what is so harmful or wrong about same sex parenting and I was wondering if you could tell me what is so wrong about it, apart from the obvious fact that a man can not get pregnant._

Conaire
29th July 2013, 00:13
36 Photos From Russia That Everyone Needs To See. It’s a scary place for LGBT people in Russia right now.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/photos-from-russia-everyone-needs-to-see


The following video, widely circulated on social media, shows a Russian teen being tortured by a Neo-Nazi gang that suspects him of being gay. It seems likely that the clip—like the photo above, taken at a St. Petersburg gay-rights rally in June—will become iconic for the same reasons the famous photographs of Emmett Till's corpse did when they were published in Jet in 1955: It's excruciating to endure and potentially galvanizing because of it.

http://gawker.com/what-the-hell-is-going-on-with-russia-and-gays-an-exp-926183504

"Why I'm Boycotting Russian Vodka" by Dan Savage.

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2013/07/24/why-im-boycotting-russian-vodka

Carpathian
29th July 2013, 02:28
homosexuality is not an unnatural condition, it's even created to serve certain purposes in the pack (the wolves who love and defend the pack leader after he beat them) BUT what humans do is unnatural. for example letting gays adopt children or promoting homosexuality almost as something to be desired or tried out just for fun. this screws with natural development and can create lasting defects in the children who are raised by gay couples or become victims of gay propaganda.
apart from that it's the old divide and conquer strategy - playing straight people against gays. we know who's behind all of this, don't we? human development is turning more and more unnatural and we get the bill for that with increasing rates of diseases, especially of the psychological kind. this is just one more nail for our coffin.


Wow, I have no idea where you are getting your information. "Promoting homosexuality almost as something to be desired?" Really? Where? Just because gay people are now asking to be treated as regular people you think we're somehow "glamorizing" it? Are you even paying attention? Ugh, please just stop talking.

I think your picture speaks volumes about who you are - an ostritch burying his head in the sand, not hearing what he doesn't want to hear. I'm shocked to read this kind of close-minded speech here, of all places.

The Truth Is In There
30th July 2013, 20:21
homosexuality is not an unnatural condition, it's even created to serve certain purposes in the pack (the wolves who love and defend the pack leader after he beat them) BUT what humans do is unnatural. for example letting gays adopt children or promoting homosexuality almost as something to be desired or tried out just for fun. this screws with natural development and can create lasting defects in the children who are raised by gay couples or become victims of gay propaganda.
apart from that it's the old divide and conquer strategy - playing straight people against gays. we know who's behind all of this, don't we? human development is turning more and more unnatural and we get the bill for that with increasing rates of diseases, especially of the psychological kind. this is just one more nail for our coffin.


Wow, I have no idea where you are getting your information. "Promoting homosexuality almost as something to be desired?" Really? Where? Just because gay people are now asking to be treated as regular people you think we're somehow "glamorizing" it? Are you even paying attention? Ugh, please just stop talking.

I think your picture speaks volumes about who you are - an ostritch burying his head in the sand, not hearing what he doesn't want to hear. I'm shocked to read this kind of close-minded speech here, of all places.

i just know where this originates and where it leads. i'm looking a bit further ahead than most other people. that you can't follow my thinking doesn't mean i'm wrong. i don't have to convince you or anybody, though, time will prove me right.

Carpathian
31st July 2013, 01:45
homosexuality is not an unnatural condition, it's even created to serve certain purposes in the pack (the wolves who love and defend the pack leader after he beat them) BUT what humans do is unnatural. for example letting gays adopt children or promoting homosexuality almost as something to be desired or tried out just for fun. this screws with natural development and can create lasting defects in the children who are raised by gay couples or become victims of gay propaganda.
apart from that it's the old divide and conquer strategy - playing straight people against gays. we know who's behind all of this, don't we? human development is turning more and more unnatural and we get the bill for that with increasing rates of diseases, especially of the psychological kind. this is just one more nail for our coffin.


Wow, I have no idea where you are getting your information. "Promoting homosexuality almost as something to be desired?" Really? Where? Just because gay people are now asking to be treated as regular people you think we're somehow "glamorizing" it? Are you even paying attention? Ugh, please just stop talking.

I think your picture speaks volumes about who you are - an ostritch burying his head in the sand, not hearing what he doesn't want to hear. I'm shocked to read this kind of close-minded speech here, of all places.

i just know where this originates and where it leads. i'm looking a bit further ahead than most other people. that you can't follow my thinking doesn't mean i'm wrong. i don't have to convince you or anybody, though, time will prove me right.

No, I didn't say I couldn't follow your thinking, I just thought your thinking was very narrow-minded and a touch homophobic. You're right, you don't have to convince me and we can agree to disagree. I was just shocked that in this day and age you would be content to say such horrible things about something that (from your post) you seem to know little about.

For instance, there isn't "gay propaganda" that you can be made a "victim" of. There may be studies and truths that you don't want to hear (for example, that children raised by gay couples, especially two women, make some of the most successful, well-adjusted adults -- contrary to your post) and that's fine. But please do not state your biased views as fact. More than a few of them could not be further from the truth. Gay people do not want to "propagandize" you, convert you or your children, make homosexuality seem "cool," or "screw" with "natural development" (whatever that means -- many, many species on Earth practice homosexual behavior, so it is very MUCH natural), the only thing we want is to be treated as an equal along with everyone else, and have the same rights to live and be happy that you have.

Now, what is so fearful about that?

You are right that the powers-that-be are using this issue to divide us, and it is very much working due to faulty information, misdirected religious zealotry, and fear. The honest truth is that you have nothing to fear. Homosexuality is not the root cause of any of the world's current ills. It's just another scapegoat, blown out of proportion and used as a tool to divide us.

I hope you can come to see that eventually.

Carp

jiminii
31st July 2013, 06:29
I wanted to bring some awareness to what is happening in Russia. Serious human rights are being violated.

Putin has signed into law on June 30 (1) the "gay propaganda" bill, banning gay pride marches and the possibility of being sent to prison for talking to a child about gay issues or that gay people even exist. He has described "gay propaganda" as pornography.


The law is broad and vague, so that any teacher who tells students that homosexuality is not evil, any parents who tell their child that homosexuality is normal, or anyone who makes pro-gay statements deemed accessible to someone underage is now subject to arrest and fines.

(2) Another law that could send gay (or "pro-gay") tourists visiting Russia to prison, including touring musicians, artists or athletes (Russia is to host the Winter Olympics this year).

(3) Banning the adoption of Russian-born children to same sex couples or single parent of a country where marriage equality exists.


Finally, it is rumored that Mr. Putin is about to sign an edict that would remove children from their own families if the parents are either gay or lesbian or suspected of being gay or lesbian. The police would have the authority to remove children from adoptive homes as well as from their own biological parents.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/22/opinion/russias-anti-gay-crackdown.html?_r=0
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/11/russia-gay-law-tourists-_n_3581217.html

This can not be tolerated. Peoples lives are in serious danger.

A facebook group has been set up urging people to boycott Russian Vodka. Please, if you have a facebook account follow the link, like and share. Spread awareness of this issue. If you are a Vodka drinker, please boycott Russian Vodka, for now, until Putin comes to his senses.

https://www.facebook.com/BoycottRussianVodka?ref=stream


Maybe with global awareness the lives of gay, lesbian and transgendered people in Russia could have a brighter future. For me, the worst part of this atrocity is the children that are discovering and coming to terms with their own sexuality. They will have no one to talk to as it is now against the law to talk to a child about issues relating to being gay. How horrible it will be for those kids having no one to turn to and at a time in their life when they really need it and in my opinion that amounts to cruelty.

the spirit being is neither male nor female ... but when you have been IMPLANTED with every kind of thing that can HOOK you into some kind of COMPULSION ... this is NOT NORMAL
we have all these people who say we want HUMAN RIGHTS ... do we get HUMAN RIGHTS when we have to live with beings DRAMATIZING an IMPLANT ... and then everyone is suppose to say .. it is NORMAL for them to be COMPULSIVE to SAME SEX???? ...

this is bulls*** .. Putin wants a clean RUSSIA .. and he is also from the FUTURE ... so how do we get it ,. we don't have to agree to people dramatizing IMPLANTS ... this is christian Implants .. "you're going to go to hell" ... "Eating live baby bodies" .. bush and their rituals ...

people can get HOOKED on any one of these IMPLANTS ... including PORNOGRAPHIC MEDIA .. perverted media all these things .. the Reptilian use to create MIND CONTROL and get everyone fighting each other on this ... and people are saying ... HOMOSEXUAL is NORMAL ...???? remove the IMPLANTS .. so the person can be himself ... NOT SOME COVERT HOSTILE KNIFE IN THE BACK PERSONALITY ... that this IMPLANT in RESTIMULATION CREATES .... all HOMOS are covert hostile ... and that is EXACTLY what the CABAL and REPTILIANS USE ... as STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE ... to take over the planet ... so PUTIN is doing what someone should have done years back and condemn it as INSANE ... and NOT ALLOWED .. the MEDIA or any other thing that ALLOWS this S*** to degrade the society ...

of course we had the Tech in COS to remove the Implants .. and we have it in Ron's Org too ... but the CABAL and the REST OF THE MEDIA ... and all their CONTROL OPERATIVES on the planet KEEP THIS TECH from BEING IN USE so we can FREE OURSELVES .. from this INSANITY ...

I am all for Putin putting in Ethics on the planet ... we have solutions for this ... we don't have to live around GAY COVERT HOSTILE KNIFE IN THE BACK POLITICIANS .. that can EASILY be BLACKMAILED into DESTROYING OUR GOVERNMENTS and SOCIETIES ...

let it happen ... at least ONE PLACE ON THE PLANET will be SANER ...

jim

Swan
31st July 2013, 08:39
Hello Jim,

I usually understand what you say, but this I do not.

Are you saying that in your opinion homosexuality is depraved?

Or have I misunderstood?

I can't see how love between two people could ever be wrong.

jiminii
31st July 2013, 09:27
Hello Jim,

I usually understand what you say, but this I do not.

Are you saying that in your opinion homosexuality is depraved?

Or have I misunderstood?

I can't see how love between two people could ever be wrong.

it is not normal for spirit beings ... any spirit being ..to be trapped on prison planets .. where they can be fed trillions of insane pictures that can have hypnotic commands that can control him against his will . (I am not talking about GE's that are a kind of ghost robot that the spirit being created to animate matter and make life possible) ...

everything is designed to trap him ... love is affinity ... it is not compulsive sex ... in fact the sex act has been connected to a painful happy/sad incident that spirit beings like .. and it makes them compulsive ... this was done to make the species procreate and have more drive and aggressive nature to want to survive at a higher level ... But it is NOT NORMAL ... it is a creation to make an entities survival level high enough to survive over the other species ... the love you talk about is a beautiful love that both entities desire more closeness ,., this is not compulsive

there is nothing wrong with love .. but there is a lot wrong with compulsive anything ... but what they flood us with on the implants ... are completely insane ... eating live babies .... all kinds of sex perversion ... all kinds of compulsions ... and this is where you take someone on a aesthetic level ... and force sex on him ... like most HOMOSEXUALS do ... and this can be part of the track .. he has past lives on this forced sex with art and beauty and it REALLY TRAPS a spirit ...

so add to that valances .. a word they use to express assumed personalities ... like the personality of your mother that the son can assume ..
Homosexuals .. have this covert hostile knife in the back personalities attached to this doing and being a homosexual ... in the IMPLANTS ... and the more each play this out the more covert they become between each other ...

they are trying to assume a personality of a period of time where the person had a lot of success as either a boy or a girl ... so this is insane ... being Stuck in the past ... it is not looking at present time and trying to create into a future ... it is trying to be something he was ... that can never be made good because he is using a body that is the opposite of the one that was successful ... so he can never obtain the kind of success he/she had being in a different body ... they are stuck ... just like these people who want to have sex with children ... they are stuck ... or they were raped in this life or past lives when they were a child and now they are committing the same crime that was done to them on someone else ... what makes it even more insane is they cave themselves in knowing how crazy they are and just kill the child to hide the incident ,..

these are all pieces of insanity ... a person with no past track .. or past life would be compulsively trying to be something else ... he or she could easily adjust to whatever body they took ... it is compulsive because it has something the person hated tied up with something beautiful .. something painful .. and something in the subconscious ,... that is hidden .. connected to aesthetics ... that is how they trap you in a body ...

get you in a room with beautiful music and beautiful show and you let your guard down and they just HIT YOU with all the electronics ,...

put you in some kind a body frozen in ice and dump you on this planet in some ocean

undo all that and the spirit wouldn't be in a body on a prison planet ,,, doing all types of perversion

he would be up there causing all this and viewing it from there ... not stuck inside a body not knowing anything at all

jim

Metaphor
31st July 2013, 10:37
I go for a vacationtrip for a week and return to find this forum go bollocks!
Whats the matter here?
Everything that creates fear is evil. Whats going down in russia is pure nazitactics.
To whom it may concern in this thread: if you've been unaware of all the evil thats been done to gay people by right wing extremists to gay or unwanted people in russia the last decade- do your homework. Some opinions expressed here are really disturbing.
But i guess theres no place for gays or lesbians in the " perfect" garden of scientology

Observer1964
31st July 2013, 10:59
i just know where this originates and where it leads. i'm looking a bit further ahead than most other people. that you can't follow my thinking doesn't mean i'm wrong. i don't have to convince you or anybody, though, time will prove me right.
Indeed we dont wanna go down this road as we know where it leads to, and we dont wanna end up there.

Observer1964
31st July 2013, 11:04
I go for a vacationtrip for a week and return to find this forum go bollocks!
Whats the matter here?
Everything that creates fear is evil. Whats going down in russia is pure nazitactics.
To whom it may concern in this thread: if you've been unaware of all the evil thats been done to gay people by right wing extremists to gay or unwanted people in russia the last decade- do your homework. Some opinions expressed here are really disturbing.
But i guess theres no place for gays or lesbians in the " perfect" garden of scientology

I think you're over reacting. It is not against homosexuals but against destroying society, btw, among Nazi's there is a lot of homsexual behaviour, not out of love but as a expression of power, Me the high boss is so powerfull I can F#ck you in the ass and you have to love it.

wake up.

(Excuses for my language, but I dont know how else to say it)

jiminii
31st July 2013, 11:04
I go for a vacationtrip for a week and return to find this forum go bollocks!
Whats the matter here?
Everything that creates fear is evil. Whats going down in russia is pure nazitactics.
To whom it may concern in this thread: if you've been unaware of all the evil thats been done to gay people by right wing extremists to gay or unwanted people in russia the last decade- do your homework. Some opinions expressed here are really disturbing.
But i guess theres no place for gays or lesbians in the " perfect" garden of scientology

You only read what you want to read ... you all say you want a perfect world ... but you can not give it ... if you don't remove that what is causing it to be imperfect ,.., that is just the truth .... remove all the engrams off anyone of them and they will become normal ...

example: .. a girl who can not have sex without pain .. she must have pain or she will not do the sex ... take her back in the womb of the mother and you find this baby went unconscious when the father was making love to the mother and the weight of his body drove the baby unconscious ... the mother was saying, "oh this is beautiful .. this is wonderful ... I don't know how I can live without you" ..... this all went into this interpretation .,,, "it is beautiful and wonderful and I don't know how I can live without the pain ..when doing sex"

take her back and find the cause and the cause disappears .... and that is the same that would happen with Homosexuals .. who are assuming a personality compulsively from some painful incident in the past

this is just truth ...

you can have it or not

jim

Metaphor
31st July 2013, 11:23
I think we are talking about love between two persons here, not sex or sadomasochism. I see where this is going... Its like the vegetarian vs carnivorism threads. Just a lot of time spent on... debating.
I'll leave this conversation.

ulli
31st July 2013, 11:36
Tolerance of individuals and accepting them as they are has to be a primary law everywhere.

Unless those individuals become predatorial, coercive, overly self-promoting to the point that they create confusion and cause unhappiness, then the other side has just as much right to stand up for their beliefs.
Street parades that promote life style have become over-the-top and unwatchable, not only gay pride parades.
Some of the carnival parades of Barbados have become so obscene that parents can no longer take their kids to watch them.

Interesting posts there, Jim. All compulsive behavior needs to be questioned. Of course, this only works if done as a self regulating exercise, since questioning another person usually ends up with them becoming defensive.

Observer1964
31st July 2013, 11:54
I think we are talking about love between two persons here, not sex or sadomasochism.
No this topic is about legislation that prevents certain things getting out of hand.

I see where this is going... Its like the vegetarian vs carnivorism threads. Just a lot of time spent on... debating.
I'll leave this conversation.
I cant judge if you truly see that, or feel offended or whatever.
All I for myself see is what Ulli is describing very well.

I am not against homosexuals as I tried to say in several posts here, I am against what certain ppl try to make of society using a minority-group's feelings.
I am against the playing off against each other.

Metaphor
31st July 2013, 11:57
And as I said I will leave this discussion.

Observer1964
31st July 2013, 12:09
And as I said I will leave this discussion.

That is to bad, I did not intend to hurt your feelings.
This topic is just very sensitive, but that is also why it is important we manage to talk and exchange our opinions, so we know of each others stances and manage to find peacefull co-existance without being played-off against each other to the point we hate each other.

I can only state again that I am not anti-homosexual and even have homosexual friends that I see as good persons that dont deserve anything bad happening to them.

jiminii
31st July 2013, 12:19
I think we are talking about love between two persons here, not sex or sadomasochism.
No this topic is about legislation that prevents certain things getting out of hand.

I see where this is going... Its like the vegetarian vs carnivorism threads. Just a lot of time spent on... debating.
I'll leave this conversation.
I cant judge if you truly see that, or feel offended or whatever.
All I for myself see is what Ulli is describing very well.

I am not against homosexuals as I tried to say in several posts here, I am against what certain ppl try to make of society using a minority-group's feelings.
I am against the playing off against each other.

it is like this ... if a being PULLS IN being BEATEN up by others ... then HE PULLS IT IN SO HE CAN JUSTIFY GETTING SYMPATHY ....

if he minds his own business and keeps to himself and doesn't bother others with this perversion and keeps it only with his own ... then he is not IMPINGING his perversions on others ... but all too many of them are EXCESSIVE AND COMPULSIVE at drawing attention to their perversion ... to get sympathy or attention .. so if they actually PULL in getting BEATTEN .... then he ACTUALLY AS A SPIRIT is INTENDING THE OTHER TO HARM HIM so he can JUSTIFY GETTING SYMPATHY FOR HIMSELF TO MAKE OTHERS WRONG ...

it is like this girl I met ... the boyfriend she lives with is always beating on her .. .. she came to my boss's house and walked in and picked up some valuable software claiming my boss took something of theirs ... my boss was not there to verify and while I am preventing her from taking this stuff ... she is putting out this intention .. to have me hit her .. she wants me to beat on her .... I had this enter into my head ... and she was trying to cause me to get angry enough to hit her ... so I took the stuff back ..and she said she will call the police .. I said, "go ahead call them right now " ... and she saw it would be her that would be in trouble not me so she left...

so don't ever be fooled into thinking the man who beats on his wife ... is CAUSING ALL OF IT ... the wife is putting the INTENTION OUT TO MAKE HIM HIT HER so she can get sympathy from others .. to get her husband in trouble or even have others beat on him ... to make him WRONG and pull him down ...

there is this spiritual thing that can be between 2 spirits ... where they have what is called a GAMES CONDITION GOING .what is this ... it is where ONE CAN WIN BUT NOT 2 ... so when the husband is winning and getting successful actions going and getting the jobs ... the wife caves in and does everything to bring him down and make him lose his job . because "SHE CAN'T HAVE HIM WINNING" ... and try to figure it out or ask her what is wrong and SHE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW .... it is all subconscious from some incident between them in their past ..

so when I see people beating on others ... I don't give the person being beatten sympathy ... he is pulling it in ... or it wouldn't happen

jim

Swan
31st July 2013, 13:05
I think we are talking about love between two persons here, not sex or sadomasochism.
No this topic is about legislation that prevents certain things getting out of hand.

I see where this is going... Its like the vegetarian vs carnivorism threads. Just a lot of time spent on... debating.
I'll leave this conversation.
I cant judge if you truly see that, or feel offended or whatever.
All I for myself see is what Ulli is describing very well.

I am not against homosexuals as I tried to say in several posts here, I am against what certain ppl try to make of society using a minority-group's feelings.
I am against the playing off against each other.

it is like this ... if a being PULLS IN being BEATEN up by others ... then HE PULLS IT IN SO HE CAN JUSTIFY GETTING SYMPATHY ....

if he minds his own business and keeps to himself and doesn't bother others with this perversion and keeps it only with his own ... then he is not IMPINGING his perversions on others ... but all too many of them are EXCESSIVE AND COMPULSIVE at drawing attention to their perversion ... to get sympathy or attention .. so if they actually PULL in getting BEATTEN .... then he ACTUALLY AS A SPIRIT is INTENDING THE OTHER TO HARM HIM so he can JUSTIFY GETTING SYMPATHY FOR HIMSELF TO MAKE OTHERS WRONG ...

it is like this girl I met ... the boyfriend she lives with is always beating on her .. .. she came to my boss's house and walked in and picked up some valuable software claiming my boss took something of theirs ... my boss was not there to verify and while I am preventing her from taking this stuff ... she is putting out this intention .. to have me hit her .. she wants me to beat on her .... I had this enter into my head ... and she was trying to cause me to get angry enough to hit her ... so I took the stuff back ..and she said she will call the police .. I said, "go ahead call them right now " ... and she saw it would be her that would be in trouble not me so she left...

so don't ever be fooled into thinking the man who beats on his wife ... is CAUSING ALL OF IT ... the wife is putting the INTENTION OUT TO MAKE HIM HIT HER so she can get sympathy from others .. to get her husband in trouble or even have others beat on him ... to make him WRONG and pull him down ...

there is this spiritual thing that can be between 2 spirits ... where they have what is called a GAMES CONDITION GOING .what is this ... it is where ONE CAN WIN BUT NOT 2 ... so when the husband is winning and getting successful actions going and getting the jobs ... the wife caves in and does everything to bring him down and make him lose his job . because "SHE CAN'T HAVE HIM WINNING" ... and try to figure it out or ask her what is wrong and SHE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW .... it is all subconscious from some incident between them in their past ..

so when I see people beating on others ... I don't give the person being beatten sympathy ... he is pulling it in ... or it wouldn't happen

jim

I actually understand this. I just don´t agree that homosexuality is a perversion.

Rosieposie
31st July 2013, 14:13
Aw this is sad news. It must be very challenging to grow up with something as personal as your sexuality being judged and controlled by other people who frankly have absolutely no right to impose their will on such an intimate part of who you are. If you take away all the layers of what we are taught sexuality, no matter its form is just part of the expression of us and however it manifests is what is appropriate for you.

As for the whole family dynamics, as long as children are loved and feel secure etc they tend to flourish and do well in life, kids need connection and support and I don't think they are particularly fussy about who has a wahoo or a weewee lol. A loving home can't be anything but good no matter the details, just another thing for the soul to experience.

But that's just my feelings on the topic, I don't know what is happening there in depth or anything like that so I may be off on my thoughts I just don't think more legislation is the way to solve a problem that at its heart belongs with individuals. If we just accept and allow each others quirks it all tends to balance out and becomes a non issue :). If gays feel like being loud and proud its just because they have been repressed and are letting off steam once they feel accepted they just go about their lives and are at the end of the day just another person lol.

Observer1964
31st July 2013, 17:22
well children just follow the good example, no need to protect them against anything...
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Carpathian
1st August 2013, 01:01
I think we are talking about love between two persons here, not sex or sadomasochism.
No this topic is about legislation that prevents certain things getting out of hand.

I see where this is going... Its like the vegetarian vs carnivorism threads. Just a lot of time spent on... debating.
I'll leave this conversation.
I cant judge if you truly see that, or feel offended or whatever.
All I for myself see is what Ulli is describing very well.

I am not against homosexuals as I tried to say in several posts here, I am against what certain ppl try to make of society using a minority-group's feelings.
I am against the playing off against each other.

You can't say that what you are saying "isn't against homosexuals" and then also say you approve of legislation that "prevents certain things getting out of hand." I'm glad that you have gay friends, but I can't imagine they'd be too happy with the views you are expressing here. I'm sorry, but they are very offensive. But thank you for letting me know who you truly are, and which people on this board I cannot accept as friends.

You claim to want to have an open discussion, but you (apparently) are not willing to budge on your viewpoint, so there is no point. You will continue to view homosexuals as less than real people (clearly you do, because if you did not you would be violently opposed to what Russia is doing to their gay citizens. How would you feel if YOU were treated that way? Exactly...I rest my case) and I am willing to accept that you do. But everything you say from now on will be dismissed by me, knowing the hatred and intolerance that lives in your heart.

Jiminii,

You are coming at this discussion from a Scientology background, which I do not believe in. I think you have good intentions, but you must realize how offensive your comments are. I have read enough about Scientology to understand what you are saying, but nothing in your comments relate at all to the feelings of LOVE that people in gay relationships experience. You talk about sex and pain and engrams and I get it -- but that is NOT what relationships are mostly about, gay or straight. If you can understand anything about gay people, please understand that.

And FYI, the comment about remembering past lives and gay men acting out "what worked before" with other men? So, you're basically calling gay men "past-life women?" Gay men are not Transsexuals (people who believe they were born in the wrong body/wrong sex) -- I am a man, not a woman. I'm not confused about what gender I am. Just thought you'd want to correct that.

jiminii
1st August 2013, 01:29
I think we are talking about love between two persons here, not sex or sadomasochism.
No this topic is about legislation that prevents certain things getting out of hand.

I see where this is going... Its like the vegetarian vs carnivorism threads. Just a lot of time spent on... debating.
I'll leave this conversation.
I cant judge if you truly see that, or feel offended or whatever.
All I for myself see is what Ulli is describing very well.

I am not against homosexuals as I tried to say in several posts here, I am against what certain ppl try to make of society using a minority-group's feelings.
I am against the playing off against each other.

You can't say that what you are saying "isn't against homosexuals" and then also say you approve of legislation that "prevents certain things getting out of hand." I'm glad that you have gay friends, but I can't imagine they'd be too happy with the views you are expressing here. I'm sorry, but they are very offensive. But thank you for letting me know who you truly are, and which people on this board I cannot accept as friends.

You claim to want to have an open discussion, but you (apparently) are not willing to budge on your viewpoint, so there is no point. You will continue to view homosexuals as less than real people (clearly you do, because if you did not you would be violently opposed to what Russia is doing to their gay citizens. How would you feel if YOU were treated that way? Exactly...I rest my case) and I am willing to accept that you do. But everything you say from now on will be dismissed by me, knowing the hatred and intolerance that lives in your heart.

Jiminii,

You are coming at this discussion from a Scientology background, which I do not believe in. I think you have good intentions, but you must realize how offensive your comments are. I have read enough about Scientology to understand what you are saying, but nothing in your comments relate at all to the feelings of LOVE that people in gay relationships experience. You talk about sex and pain and engrams and I get it -- but that is NOT what relationships are mostly about, gay or straight. If you can understand anything about gay people, please understand that.

And FYI, the comment about remembering past lives and gay men acting out "what worked before" with other men? So, you're basically calling gay men "past-life women?" Gay men are not Transsexuals (people who believe they were born in the wrong body/wrong sex) -- I am a man, not a woman. I'm not confused about what gender I am. Just thought you'd want to correct that.

did you read what I said ... ???? or only what you want to read ... I said the act of SEX ... and SEX is aberrated on this planet ... means it has been perverted with some connections to earlier engrams .. to make people compulsive about sex ... it doesn't matter if the gays dramatize their IMPLANTS ... these are what is in the DNA ... setup to make us more compulsive toward SEX ... and Putin is not only hitting gays ... he is hitting the whole area of pornography ...

if you can't see it because you feel you must allow everyone to put all their X rated movies right in the main media ... then you are not willing to clean it ... you are only looking at one side of it ... ALL OF IT is insane ... it is INSANE to be compulsive about physical love

YOU GOT IT?????

jim

Conaire
1st August 2013, 02:01
@ Jiminii. What nonsense. Apart from the fact that I have no idea what you mean by implants, to me you make no valid point. (in your first post on this thread) The fact that you wrote that "all homos are covert hostile" I find incredulous. You also seem to think that being gay begins and ends with sex, compulsive sex at that. Your view on the matter seems very closed minded. Sex is not a compulsion that torments my every waking minute. Far from it.
and this is where you take someone on a aesthetic level ... and force sex on him ... like most HOMOSEXUALS do ... Really? I guess these are the times we are not being covertly hostile, but rather quite overtly hostile. From your view point most gay people are tantamount to serial rapists. Wow!


... eating live babies .... you got to be kidding, right?


... then HE PULLS IT IN SO HE CAN JUSTIFY GETTING SYMPATHY .... If I understand you correctly, basically you are talking about victim mentality? If I am right and you are talking about people who assume the role of victim then I agree. It is rooted in what Ekhart Tolle refers to as the pain body, and the ego. It is better not to feed this behavior. If you see a woman being beaten up, you don't have to sympathize but you also don't turn a blind eye. I am sure the last thing she wants is your sympathy but I am sure she would quite like a hand to get out of the difficult situation. If you see someone kicking a dog you do something to make the person stop kicking the dog. If you see something unjust, you do something.

Sympathy is inferior to empathy.

Same with our brothers and sisters in Russia, our sympathy isn't worth a damm. They want to feel safe on their streets and in their homes. They are not afforded that safety today and this is not right. What about the same sex parent families in Russia that live their lives behind closed door. They are not on the street making any noise, not looking for any sympathy. All they want is what every parent in the world wants. Protection of their children. Protection of their family. They don't have this protection and they live in fear of their children being taken away from them because of this "anti-gay" legislation. How is that best for a child, to be taken away from your family?

Kindling
1st August 2013, 02:25
Boycotting Russian Vodka and other Russian-made products may seem like a small thing to do but it would at least be something. I can't think of any of other way to help :(. Thanks for bringing the thread back to topic Conaire. It's important information!

I'm trying not to get emotional about the things some people say. Anchor made an excellent post in another thread that I just read again. It doesn't say it exactly, but it helped me to remember that everyone is at a different place in their journey. In time someone might grow and feel very different about matters of race and sexual orientation. So for now maybe we should just be okay with letting them be where they are even if we feel like it's very wrong. Anchor's post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60701-Moderation-censorship-and-protectionism.&p=696621&viewfull=1#post696621

jiminii
1st August 2013, 04:54
it is NOT NORMAL for spirit beings to be trapped in bodies on prison planets ... the entire thing is setup to trap you ...
for example ... when you die ... there is some kind of electronic attachment to the beings mind ... his pictures ... the only part of him that is made of physical universe energy ... the spirit himself .. is not made of mass, energy, space, or time .. wavelength .. none of it ... the spirit itself is NOT IN MOTION .. but it can create all these by extending it from the static ... so this automatic picture recording system we created 25 pictures a second ... 52 perceptions ... balance, heat, air pressure, direction (north south) ... everything this body can preceive ... is recorded ...

when you are put on this planet ... your entire picture recording system has been rearranged ... all the dates are changed so you can not get the actual dates of death or anything else ... you are flooded with disgusting pictures ... millions of them ... everything that has ever happened to you for the last trillion trillion years is extended 20 times longer ... all of it to mess up your memory so bad .. that you can't get out of this prison ... it's taken them billions of years to design it ..not a few hundred we have had to design the prisons we have here ... all your thoughts run in reverse tractors ... everything you reach for moves away ... everything you resist comes at you ... if you don't have a car or a girl ... it is almost impossible to get the first one ,,, this kind of stuff ..(average person .. not one that is born ina rich family where everything is given to him) ...
the sex part that was put in the DNA makes people compulsive about sex ... if you don't believe it walk into any singles bar and listen to their talk ... and their attention is ONLY ON GETTING SOMEONE IN BED .... and they CAN'T even make friends with a girl without having their attention constantly on somehow taking the person to bed ... ..

so you die .. and this implant station .. (on mars .. venus and this planet too) .. has these electronic beams that are attached to this recorded physical universe mind you have created sometime in the creation of this universe ... and it can put an image of a pretty naked girl there and then pull it away from you into the implant machine .. and WHAM you're knocked out again and memories scrambled and loaded full of s*** ...

so point is ... do you want to be free of this planet ????? and all the obsessions on it ??? up to you .... it doesn't matter your connection to who ever ... the desire for SEX is both in the MALE and FEMALE ... except a lot of females DON'T LIKE SEX .. because it hurts them ... and loses .... ?????? ...

people say "I am lonely" ... I met an OT .. and he lives alone .. I asked him if he is lonely and he said NO ... I said why ... he said "you only get lonely if you are looking and searching for someone"

you get lonely from the restimulations of LOSES ... you go out to get a girl and you fail ... gives you a LOSS .... so this makes you lonely

he doesn't get lonely because he is not looking for someone .. he can just make friends with whomever ...

so there is billions of variables .... each tone level has it's own set of situations that develop out of it ... and in the area of covert hostility .. is where a person is perverted ... if you think that putting that thing between your legs into someone's dirty ass ... is not perverted ... then it is just YOUR WAY OF LOOKING AT IT ... but I am SURE it is ONLY YOUR WAY OF LOOKING AT IT ...

you have JUSTIFIED this ... you MADE YOURSELF RIGHT .. doesn't make you right ..

it is like the professional criminal ... he has decided that since his profession is being a thief .. that it is totally ok ... and he has no remorse ...

but after you peal off all the layers of a spirit beings false THINK to hide the fact he is OUT ETHICS ... the ethics will appear ....

we call the sex and family the second dynamic
we just say 2d ...

so I met another OT ... and if I hint to her my desire for her or send her 2d flows from my body .. she will say, "don't do that or we will not be friends" since she already has a 2d ....

this is because she has gone through all the things that got us trapped on this planet ... so sending a girl 2d flows against her will is OUT ETHICS ...

and if you get around a HOMO .. who is putting 2d flows on you making you feel uncomfortable ... it is OUT ETHICS ..

you can try to hide it with what ever your think is ... but ... you want to escape the implant stations that keep you from getting off this planet?????

you would have to get up to OT8 ... where NOTHING READS .. ON THE METER .... the meter reads .. the spirit beings disagreements ... and if you have ANY ... you can be TRAPPED by them ... you are TRAPPED by the things you should have done ... but you didn't ... like run out in the street and get the little girl before she gets hit by a car .. but you didn't take the responsibility and the child is dead and this will STICK in you memories ... all the things YOU DID ... will read on the meter

so I guarantee you .. IT IS TOTALLY OK if you don't want to LOOK .. and just would RATHER ... be on this prison forever .. because you have a fixed opinion.. that when you peal off all the lies ... will read on a meter ... and that will keep you from getting off this prison planet ...

OK ... if this doesn't answer your question .. NOTHING WILL because you will constantly reject anything that doesn't agree with you FIXED THINK

jim

Observer1964
1st August 2013, 05:50
You can't say that what you are saying "isn't against homosexuals" and then also say you approve of legislation that "prevents certain things getting out of hand." I'm glad that you have gay friends, but I can't imagine they'd be too happy with the views you are expressing here. I'm sorry, but they are very offensive. But thank you for letting me know who you truly are, and which people on this board I cannot accept as friends.

You claim to want to have an open discussion, but you (apparently) are not willing to budge on your viewpoint, so there is no point. You will continue to view homosexuals as less than real people (clearly you do, because if you did not you would be violently opposed to what Russia is doing to their gay citizens. How would you feel if YOU were treated that way? Exactly...I rest my case)
So unless I accept Gay-lifestyle promotion I am anti gay?
You forget that I am also Anti Sex propaganda to kids becoz I think It is bad for kids to be exposed to certain things at an to early age. Does that make me anti-hetero to? Or maybe I just want to protect the innocence of children? Becoz that is my only drive, If I was really anti gay I wouldn't even say anything here, I would not want to be associated in any way to the topic as a whole. But I thought it was a discussion topic where I could express my concerns about what it does to children, I think you are only concerned about having no restrictions whatsoever for gay-ppl, You forget I want the same restrictions for heterosexual promotion eventho i am hetero myself. What does that make me then? Anti human? Well I dont feel Anti Human, and I would not considder My gay-friends as friends either if i was anti-gay. I think You are wrong in wanting me to accept things that I think is not normal. I also have a friend who has all kind of pictures of naked women in his living-room, I only visit him alone without taking my kids to his house becoz I dont want them to see these pictures, and he knows that but leaves it anyway. My wife also feels uncomfertable when we are there becoz of all this nude stuff. But he is still my friend, and I feel sorry for him that his own oversexed attitude is actually blocking him from having relationships, last time he did get a woman to his house she was out the door in less than 5 mins. Is she anti hetero? Or just offended by his oversexed way of looking at her.


and I am willing to accept that you do. But everything you say from now on will be dismissed by me, knowing the hatred and intolerance that lives in your heart.


Look who is really hating here, look how you try to make me look bad for not seeing things your way.
Pfff I am only defending oldfashioned norms to protect children.
It has nothing to do with being anti gay wich I am not.
I (and even more so my wife) dont allow porn in the house, or my children watching Carnaval parades with half-naked women. To us it has to do with decency and protecting children's innocence. I dont want them to be exposed to it by their school either.
It is a sad thing that in Russia legislation is made for something ppl should not do out of decency, I dont know the situation there and cant judge how necessary such legislation really is, beind decent should not be mandatory.

I only feel that certain forces are playing off ppl against each other over the back of minorities.

jiminii
1st August 2013, 06:38
I have read enough about Scientology to understand what you are saying, but nothing in your comments relate at all to the feelings of LOVE that people in gay relationships experience. You talk about sex and pain and engrams and I get it -- but that is NOT what relationships are mostly about, gay or shttp://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/wink.pngtraight. If you can understand anything about gay people, please understand that.

people like to voice things either pro or con about Scientology ...

I will clear this up too ..... Scientology did NOT COME FROM LRH .... he is just a RELAY POINT .... when he died at 37 ... the spirit Metteyya .. (prophecy of Buddha) came into his body ... from the Future ... This entity was trained from the future to do a specific job ... and that was to get enough tech back here in the past .. to alter a future disaster that was happening .... the entity was created brand new out of the static ... so this entity is untraceable ... no one in this time would be able to get anything from the future because it would be the last place to look for ... in fact Free Zone set up a project to locate LRH and they couldn't find him ... because he is NOT HERE IN PRESENT ... he went BACK TO THE FUTURE .... where he came from ... If you think this LRH would have been able to develop the tech to change this future from the data you can get off this planet at this time with all the disinformation ... NO .. it would have been impossible ... All this data came from those in the future that was guiding LRH with the spirit of Metteyya operating extended into his body ...
some say he was cruel ... .. and it may be true ... that other spirit left .. and that left the new spirit operating from the future ... and this could have created a conflict with the GE (genetic entity .. the ghost that creates and manages life forms .. like humans lions and tigers and horses) ...and this GE might have been in competition too ... but that is not important .. what is important was they were able to deliver and evaluate from the future what was needed ... from all those they processed and trained ... to create a tech to free beings from these prison planets ...

so if you want to attack the man ... LRH .. it's OK .. if you want to attack his tech ... remember this ... it didn't come from his investigations or was it stolen from anyone else's tech either ... it was being evaluated by those from the future and all the star seeds that were on the planet .. that could also dig up valid workable tech ...that works ...

you can look at the tech or go use anyone else's tech that you like .. it is all up to you ...

jim

jiminii
1st August 2013, 07:02
You can't say that what you are saying "isn't against homosexuals" and then also say you approve of legislation that "prevents certain things getting out of hand." I'm glad that you have gay friends, but I can't imagine they'd be too happy with the views you are expressing here. I'm sorry, but they are very offensive. But thank you for letting me know who you truly are, and which people on this board I cannot accept as friends.

You claim to want to have an open discussion, but you (apparently) are not willing to budge on your viewpoint, so there is no point. You will continue to view homosexuals as less than real people (clearly you do, because if you did not you would be violently opposed to what Russia is doing to their gay citizens. How would you feel if YOU were treated that way? Exactly...I rest my case)
So unless I accept Gay-lifestyle promotion I am anti gay?
You forget that I am also Anti Sex propaganda to kids becoz I think It is bad for kids to be exposed to certain things at an to early age. Does that make me anti-hetero to? Or maybe I just want to protect the innocence of children? Becoz that is my only drive, If I was really anti gay I wouldn't even say anything here, I would not want to be associated in any way to the topic as a whole. But I thought it was a discussion topic where I could express my concerns about what it does to children, I think you are only concerned about having no restrictions whatsoever for gay-ppl, You forget I want the same restrictions for heterosexual promotion eventho i am hetero myself. What does that make me then? Anti human? Well I dont feel Anti Human, and I would not considder My gay-friends as friends either if i was anti-gay. I think You are wrong in wanting me to accept things that I think is not normal. I also have a friend who has all kind of pictures of naked women in his living-room, I only visit him alone without taking my kids to his house becoz I dont want them to see these pictures, and he knows that but leaves it anyway. My wife also feels uncomfertable when we are there becoz of all this nude stuff. But he is still my friend, and I feel sorry for him that his own oversexed attitude is actually blocking him from having relationships, last time he did get a woman to his house she was out the door in less than 5 mins. Is she anti hetero? Or just offended by his oversexed way of looking at her.


and I am willing to accept that you do. But everything you say from now on will be dismissed by me, knowing the hatred and intolerance that lives in your heart.


Look who is really hating here, look how you try to make me look bad for not seeing things your way.
Pfff I am only defending oldfashioned norms to protect children.
It has nothing to do with being anti gay wich I am not.
I (and even more so my wife) dont allow porn in the house, or my children watching Carnaval parades with half-naked women. To us it has to do with decency and protecting children's innocence. I dont want them to be exposed to it by their school either.
It is a sad thing that in Russia legislation is made for something ppl should not do out of decency, I dont know the situation there and cant judge how necessary such legislation really is, beind decent should not be mandatory.

I only feel that certain forces are playing off ppl against each other over the back of minorities.

the truth is all this perversion started infiltrating into USA ... and we used to have laws against all this porn stuff ... and things people can say in the media .. but they keep working on it until they break people's THINK DOWN ... to become more and more agreeable to it ... until they can finally infiltrate gays into the government and destroy the government from inside ... and then destroy the morals .. and now the religions that we were founded on ... ALL TO TAKE OVER THE PLANET ... and PUTIN KNOWS THIS ... and HE KNOWS JUST GIVING PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT OF THIS infiltration of the degrading of the morals .. will eventually LEAD TO THESE INFILTRATORS ... DEGRADING THE GOVERNMENT TOO ...

these were the enemies from the beginning trillions of years ago ... that could not defeat the big powerful beings ... so they learned how to master infiltration and get in to the big beings games ... learn all the tech and destroy these big beings from INSIDE ....

like everything that has been happening on this planet that has been created from the control of our governments by reptilians causing wars to go into Tibet and destroy the religions there .... they will try to destroy all of the religions on the planet because THIS IS THEIR ONLY STOP FOR A TAKE OVER ...

so .. PUTIN KNOWS THIS ... and he is not going to allow these covert hostile knife in the back perverts (like Obama) infiltrating into his society or governments .
he is stopping it at it's roots ..

and I am all for it

jim

Observer1964
1st August 2013, 07:41
I guess indeed Putin has similar views, dont know for sure as I dont know him personaly. I understand that with little steps we are being taken down a road to a place I dont wanna be. I do sympathise to gay ppl, I see how in certain countries they can hardly live a normal life wich I also see as not good. I am happy they can live a normal live in my country. But I dont want to overcompensate it either.
BTW, the gay friend I refered to also visited a gay parade some time ago, and he complained to me that a lot was more like a gay-porn parade wich disgusted him also as he understood that this is overcompensating and pushing tolerance to much wich he also understood will cause new intolerance here.
Even a gay person can understand that there is a line that should not be crossed. What is wrong with ppl, what is so hard to understand about being decend.
In the end even gay ppl will be unhappy if things go to far.

Maintainig decency is a protection against perversion.

y-a8dAHDQoo

The Truth Is In There
1st August 2013, 19:56
homosexuality is not an unnatural condition, it's even created to serve certain purposes in the pack (the wolves who love and defend the pack leader after he beat them) BUT what humans do is unnatural. for example letting gays adopt children or promoting homosexuality almost as something to be desired or tried out just for fun. this screws with natural development and can create lasting defects in the children who are raised by gay couples or become victims of gay propaganda.
apart from that it's the old divide and conquer strategy - playing straight people against gays. we know who's behind all of this, don't we? human development is turning more and more unnatural and we get the bill for that with increasing rates of diseases, especially of the psychological kind. this is just one more nail for our coffin.


Wow, I have no idea where you are getting your information. "Promoting homosexuality almost as something to be desired?" Really? Where? Just because gay people are now asking to be treated as regular people you think we're somehow "glamorizing" it? Are you even paying attention? Ugh, please just stop talking.

I think your picture speaks volumes about who you are - an ostritch burying his head in the sand, not hearing what he doesn't want to hear. I'm shocked to read this kind of close-minded speech here, of all places.

i just know where this originates and where it leads. i'm looking a bit further ahead than most other people. that you can't follow my thinking doesn't mean i'm wrong. i don't have to convince you or anybody, though, time will prove me right.

No, I didn't say I couldn't follow your thinking, I just thought your thinking was very narrow-minded and a touch homophobic. You're right, you don't have to convince me and we can agree to disagree. I was just shocked that in this day and age you would be content to say such horrible things about something that (from your post) you seem to know little about.

For instance, there isn't "gay propaganda" that you can be made a "victim" of. There may be studies and truths that you don't want to hear (for example, that children raised by gay couples, especially two women, make some of the most successful, well-adjusted adults -- contrary to your post) and that's fine. But please do not state your biased views as fact. More than a few of them could not be further from the truth. Gay people do not want to "propagandize" you, convert you or your children, make homosexuality seem "cool," or "screw" with "natural development" (whatever that means -- many, many species on Earth practice homosexual behavior, so it is very MUCH natural), the only thing we want is to be treated as an equal along with everyone else, and have the same rights to live and be happy that you have.

Now, what is so fearful about that?

You are right that the powers-that-be are using this issue to divide us, and it is very much working due to faulty information, misdirected religious zealotry, and fear. The honest truth is that you have nothing to fear. Homosexuality is not the root cause of any of the world's current ills. It's just another scapegoat, blown out of proportion and used as a tool to divide us.

I hope you can come to see that eventually.

Carp

check out this link, it's not actual gay propaganda but it's part of the "project" to turn a still more or less functioning society into a madhouse of easily controlled psychological and physical wrecks. allowing gays to adopt children is also a minor part of this "project".

http://lynleahz.com/2013/07/31/kids-dont-forget-to-make-your-gender-choice/

i'm not fearful of gays. in fact, i don't have a problem with gays if they behave like normal people and don't flirt with me, haha.

my problem is that while homosexuality is a normal condition, as i said earlier, it is not normal that a gay couple raises children. in nature, in a wolf pack for example, there's always an alpha male and alpha female. never are wolf cubs raised by two gay wolves. yes wolves can be gay, too. in fact, all wolves become gay after they have been defeated by the alpha male. that's nature's way to prevent fights for leadership every day.

the natural condition (in humans and animals) is for gays to support and love their pack leader but not to produce and raise offspring. that's the job of the alpha male and female.

the exact same procedure of creating homosexuals happens in humans, only that in humans it doesn't necessarily have to be a real fight. it can even be the mere loss of an important female/male from the pack in early childhood or the "defeat" at the hands of a father (or mother, for female children) which turns a straight male/female homosexual. it depends on the persons instinctual perception of the event at the time and is much more fluid than among animals.

fact is that gays are not born that way and the direction in which our society is currently going will create more and more psychological and physical problems, especially for children. one has to see the big picture, not just single things like gay rights. the ultimate goal is the jwo and human enslavement and they make sure that all paths lead to that destination.

Another1
1st August 2013, 20:30
The politics and activism of this is hurting us all more than any alleged 'problems' to integrating the newness of it being considered normal now.
It's creating a situation where people who do not just roll over and rejoice over it are becoming seen as abnormal, less-than, unenlightened, redneck, phobic ... the leaders of the 'movement' are hurting the people they are allegedly helping. imo


Mom' and 'Dad' banished by California - found here (http://www.wnd.com/2007/10/44009/)


The terms ‘mom and dad’ or ‘husband and wife’ could promote discrimination against homosexuals if a same-sex couple is not also featured.That's a real head-spinner for someone who previously had the opinion of. "Leave them alone, they ain't hurting anyone."
ADDED LATER
Snopes says this is BS - here is a link to actual BILL (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bill/sen/sb_0751-0800/sb_777_bill_20070223_introduced.pdf)
If false, the damage has been done so it is a piece of the puzzle now.
***

I know that:
I helped $30K find its way to a gay fundraiser one evening. They convinced me to come to the event under the guise it was public outreach, to help educate, to help make the laws more fair and break down stereotypes, etc. Hell, I even rented a tux. And these brilliant people who say they want to help break down stereotypes and inform a confused public, opted to show video on giant screens of men having sex, before the apetizers arrived. To me it was simply porn, in bad taste. In any other venue, showing 2 humans having sex would have been illegal. The shock value had more than a few kicking themselves in the arse and wondering why they were there?

I know that:
The movement's politicians once had a 27 year-old hetro male lay his career down for the cause of equality.
Defending four gay women did not fit the theme of hate/fear is my opine in hindsight.
Their response was he must be a closet gay man and we won't help him unless he says that he is.
Can you say 'stupid' - sure.

I'm glad teens and young adults no longer take their lives out of shame for being gay. It's terribly sad to think of how many years it went on.
I'm glad that in most places lived in the past 20 years, it is no longer an acceptable excuse to beat up a man for this reason.

But I won't blame any country for trying to protect themselves from the political movement using gay people as another means of stirring the pot.
Keeping us fighting.

Carpathian
2nd August 2013, 02:37
You can't say that what you are saying "isn't against homosexuals" and then also say you approve of legislation that "prevents certain things getting out of hand." I'm glad that you have gay friends, but I can't imagine they'd be too happy with the views you are expressing here. I'm sorry, but they are very offensive. But thank you for letting me know who you truly are, and which people on this board I cannot accept as friends.

You claim to want to have an open discussion, but you (apparently) are not willing to budge on your viewpoint, so there is no point. You will continue to view homosexuals as less than real people (clearly you do, because if you did not you would be violently opposed to what Russia is doing to their gay citizens. How would you feel if YOU were treated that way? Exactly...I rest my case)
So unless I accept Gay-lifestyle promotion I am anti gay?
You forget that I am also Anti Sex propaganda to kids becoz I think It is bad for kids to be exposed to certain things at an to early age. Does that make me anti-hetero to? Or maybe I just want to protect the innocence of children? Becoz that is my only drive, If I was really anti gay I wouldn't even say anything here, I would not want to be associated in any way to the topic as a whole. But I thought it was a discussion topic where I could express my concerns about what it does to children, I think you are only concerned about having no restrictions whatsoever for gay-ppl, You forget I want the same restrictions for heterosexual promotion eventho i am hetero myself. What does that make me then? Anti human? Well I dont feel Anti Human, and I would not considder My gay-friends as friends either if i was anti-gay. I think You are wrong in wanting me to accept things that I think is not normal. I also have a friend who has all kind of pictures of naked women in his living-room, I only visit him alone without taking my kids to his house becoz I dont want them to see these pictures, and he knows that but leaves it anyway. My wife also feels uncomfertable when we are there becoz of all this nude stuff. But he is still my friend, and I feel sorry for him that his own oversexed attitude is actually blocking him from having relationships, last time he did get a woman to his house she was out the door in less than 5 mins. Is she anti hetero? Or just offended by his oversexed way of looking at her.


and I am willing to accept that you do. But everything you say from now on will be dismissed by me, knowing the hatred and intolerance that lives in your heart.


Look who is really hating here, look how you try to make me look bad for not seeing things your way.
Pfff I am only defending oldfashioned norms to protect children.
It has nothing to do with being anti gay wich I am not.
I (and even more so my wife) dont allow porn in the house, or my children watching Carnaval parades with half-naked women. To us it has to do with decency and protecting children's innocence. I dont want them to be exposed to it by their school either.
It is a sad thing that in Russia legislation is made for something ppl should not do out of decency, I dont know the situation there and cant judge how necessary such legislation really is, beind decent should not be mandatory.

I only feel that certain forces are playing off ppl against each other over the back of minorities.

Ok, I understand your desire to protect children, which we ALL want to do. That we can certainly agree upon. I was a little confused because you seemed to conflate being gay = exposing children to pornography (?), but I think you were talking about sex ed and that it may be fostered on children too early, and that you are uncomfortable for children to be exposed to information about homosexuality? If I am correct, then that would be a discussion for another thread :-)

Also, if your only exposure to gay people was through witnessing what goes on at some of the pride parades, but I can promise you that MOST of the gay population isn't like that. We do not push pornography onto unsuspecting people, and especially not children. But if that is what you have experienced, then I can understand (not agree with, but certainly understand) where you are coming from on this issue. Some areas of gay "culture" can be extreme, it is a reaction to being suppressed, ridiculed, arrested (and sometimes killed), insulted, bullied, for so many years. We can be angry and react...unwisely. As you said, the media tries to make gays out to be MUCH worse on so many issues than how we are in real life. We just want to be treated equal, NOT special.

Jiminii,

I think I know what you are saying, but I honestly do not know enough about Scientology to adequately understand it. You are clearly trying to communicate what you believe in, and I would need to know more about what I DON'T know to respond. I still feel like we disagree on some issues, but that is ok. It may be even a terminology issue. Us gays have a very low tolerance for being called/lumped in with "perversion." We have been hearing that our whole lives, and it is completely false. There is nothing wrong with two adult, consenting people loving each other. You may disagree with the sex, but that isn't what we are about.

You both seem to have some strong views on sex and obscenity and pornography, but you might be surprised to know that there isn't anything in there I don't agree with. It seems clear that the media (and whomever's behind/manipulating it) is using this issue to drive us all apart. More conservative people are pushed to see every social change as "the moral decay of society" which (on some level) there IS something happening but not EVERY social change is bad/signal of the end times. Gays having equal rights as straight people is NOT really going to affect you all that much, if at all. And treating people fairly is one of the basic tenants on which this country was founded. That's why what's happening in Russia is so wrong -- these are actual CITIZENS of the country being arrested for doing NOTHING. I hope you can see where I'm coming from on this issue.

Carpathian
2nd August 2013, 02:56
The politics and activism of this is hurting us all more than any alleged 'problems' to integrating the newness of it being considered normal now.
It's creating a situation where people who do not just roll over and rejoice over it are becoming seen as abnormal, less-than, unenlightened, redneck, phobic ... the leaders of the 'movement' are hurting the people they are allegedly helping. imo


Mom' and 'Dad' banished by California - found here (http://www.wnd.com/2007/10/44009/)


The terms ‘mom and dad’ or ‘husband and wife’ could promote discrimination against homosexuals if a same-sex couple is not also featured.That's a real head-spinner for someone who previously had the opinion of. "Leave them alone, they ain't hurting anyone."
ADDED LATER
Snopes says this is BS - here is a link to actual BILL (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bill/sen/sb_0751-0800/sb_777_bill_20070223_introduced.pdf)
If false, the damage has been done so it is a piece of the puzzle now.
***

I know that:
I helped $30K find its way to a gay fundraiser one evening. They convinced me to come to the event under the guise it was public outreach, to help educate, to help make the laws more fair and break down stereotypes, etc. Hell, I even rented a tux. And these brilliant people who say they want to help break down stereotypes and inform a confused public, opted to show video on giant screens of men having sex, before the apetizers arrived. To me it was simply porn, in bad taste. In any other venue, showing 2 humans having sex would have been illegal. The shock value had more than a few kicking themselves in the arse and wondering why they were there?

I know that:
The movement's politicians once had a 27 year-old hetro male lay his career down for the cause of equality.
Defending four gay women did not fit the theme of hate/fear is my opine in hindsight.
Their response was he must be a closet gay man and we won't help him unless he says that he is.
Can you say 'stupid' - sure.

I'm glad teens and young adults no longer take their lives out of shame for being gay. It's terribly sad to think of how many years it went on.
I'm glad that in most places lived in the past 20 years, it is no longer an acceptable excuse to beat up a man for this reason.

But I won't blame any country for trying to protect themselves from the political movement using gay people as another means of stirring the pot.
Keeping us fighting.

Well I don't see anything wrong with people who were being bigoted in their views suddenly feeling like they don't "belong" anymore. Good! I'm sorry, but those views need to change.

And nobody's asking anyone to rejoice over gay people. Seriously! That's why it's called "tolerance!" It's ok! As long as you're not infringing on anyone's rights, it's perfectly fine to not be overjoyed about the gay "movement." These things take time.

I honestly don't know anything about the examples you listed so I can't really respond to them. It seems like you've had some bad experiences with gay people in the past, but please try to not lump us all together.

I'm glad you agree that gay suicides and attacks are no longer acceptable behavior (really!), but then why is it ok for Russia to attack/arrest its gay citizens? If you approve of better protections for gay people here in the United States, then shouldn't what's happening in Russia be wrong? You say that they are protecting themselves from a political movement, but what movement is that? Gay rights? That's not a political movement -- it's a human rights issue. Political movements are about ideology, human rights are about how people (ALL people) are treated by their government or other citizens.

And we agree -- it's all to keep us fighting. And that's wrong.

Another1
2nd August 2013, 03:10
Just for giggles - Find a third party with empath abilities to give a reading on your posts to people who are supportive of your rights.

People who open the door and their wallet to understand and support gays deserve a slap in the face?
` that is politics in my opine - it's works against the cause
If they were bigots they would not have been there

my less than happy experiences on this topic have always been with the politics of it
that is only reason I chimed in on the subject
the fighting is exagerated by ? maybe the same creatures pushing for race war ?

Conaire
2nd August 2013, 16:36
It seems that people have a very narrow view on what it means to be gay; based on what they see at a gay pride parades. This is not reflective of what every day life for a gay person is like and to think so is ridiculous. It is like having an opinion of all Brazilians based on what you see at the Carnival in Rio. There is a big political side to the parades and an element of them is very serious. But, for the most part they are a bit of fun. Some of us love to dress up (or dressed down as the case may be), don a wig, put on a costume and bathe in glitter. We seem to love feather boas, rainbow flags, whistles and all of that. But we do it to have some fun, while at the same time showing society that we are here. "We're here, we're queer, get used to it!".

In Dublin, Ireland, the gay pride parade is the second biggest street party in the country, next to the St. Patrick's day parade, and People love it. If you could see the little old ladies and how their faces light up, it would do your heart good.

The parade (at least in Dublin) might be described as risqué but it is definitely not indecent. If a parent can't explain to his child what is going on in a gay pride parade then sorry, that's a reflection of your parenting skills. If a parent can't communicate with their own child openly that's their problem. And a parent can't expect everyone else to walk around on egg shells just so the child won't ask questions that the parent is awkward at answering.

As I've already said: The children must come first. Absolutely. Without question. And I do think that children grow up too quickly today, which saddens me a bit. But I don't think the problem lies with a few drag queens on the back of a float dancing to Abba. The problem lies closer to home!

Conaire
2nd August 2013, 16:52
Be careful folks. This is what could happen if lesbians are allowed to raise children. The children could end up like this:

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Conaire
2nd August 2013, 16:55
https://www.facebook.com/Boycott2014WinterOlympicGamesInRussia

This is a link to another facebook boycott campaign; Boycott Winter Olympic games in Russia.

Nick Matkin
2nd August 2013, 17:16
Well actually, I don't now ANY of my gay friends who like to dress up! And I almost despair when I see a Pride march on any country's TV channels highlighting the more extreme displays and costumes. But I guess it's just TV journalism; who wants to watch the vast majority of ordinary-looking people just gathering together in a friendly street march?

BTW, for the hard of thinking out there, remember this; 99.9% of gay people are born from heterosexual parents, have heterosexual siblings and are 'bombarded' by heterosexual expectations and imaginary all through their early childhood, into adolescence and adulthood. They still grow up gay.

To think therefore that someone's sexuality can be influenced by simply watching a film, reading a book, or learning about it at school is complete nonsense. If a lifetime of living in an overwhelmingly heterosexual culture doesn't turn a gay person straight, then a bit of exposure to the fact that some people are gay won't turn a straight person gay.

And those of us who are congratulating ourselves in generally living in a relatively tolerant society, remember those truly unfortunate souls living in cultures where to be exposed as gay makes life impossible, or can even lead to the death sentence - either officially or at the hands of a mob.

Nick

Octavusprime
2nd August 2013, 18:19
I'm completely disgusted by some of the homophobic crap being spewed in this thread. Ashamed maybe a better word for the utter lack of compassion and understanding towards a group fellow humans. Especially here by those considered by myself as elevated from the fear and hatred spilling out from society.

Homosexuals do not choose to be gay or lesbian. By saying it is a perversion is insane. They are not confused about who they are attracted to and shouldn't be talked about like they are some kind of sad confused circus freak.

"I am not homophobic and have gay friends" does not in any way exclude remarks that are obviously discriminatory. It's like using the N word in a negative connotation towards a black man then covering your remark with " it's ok I have a black friend"

"I don't want homosexuality to be visible in public". This type of thinking is very similar to what has been said about mixed racial couples in public, blacks in public places and other similar instances. You are homophobic. End of story.

If two men are holding hands walking down the street and a child sees this for the first time they may be curious. They may ask their parents about it. How the parents respond will effect their perceptions of gays going forward. If the parents response is to shield the child's eyes with comments of disgust then BAM the cycle of hate and discrimination continues. Now on the other hand if the parents respond with the facts that some people are born gay. They wont grow up fearful or hating them.

Being openly gay does not mean cross dressing and nudity. So the comments relating it to public pornography are rediculous. What Putin is saying is a gay couple holding hands walking in a park is to be arrested and fined. Anyone who can sit here and say that is fair, just and tolerant behavior is living in a bubble. A bubble of intolerant and highly discriminating nature.

jiminii
2nd August 2013, 22:04
in most populations gays only make up 1-3% of the population. the 10% myth was created by misrepresentation of the " research " on one Dr. Kinsey who interviewed sex offenders in jail and recorded that 10 % of them were admitted homosexuals. His research was then passed on to the general public as meaning that 10% of the population was gay. This misrepresentation has been repeated over and over until people accept it as " fact" when in actuality all Kinsey documented was that a whopping 10% of sexual offenders in prison admitted to being homosexual. the numbers are WAY lower in most cities. The only exceptions to this rule are some of the major population centers , usually port cities, where gays have a tendency to cluster.

being they are a minority ... why do they demand more rights then the 97 percent who are NOT GAY ....

they are demanding equal rights to the 97 percent of the population that are not gay ... and they should get only 3 percent of the equal rights since 97 percent of the population are NOT GAY ...

if you do a survey of the 97 percent of the population WHO HATE SEEING ALL THIS PERVERSION in the NEWS .. and everywhere else these people dramatize their perversion ... you would probably find that if the 97 percent said ... "we do not want to hear or see and have any association with these perverted gay people ... then if they wanted to have RIGHTS ... to be FREE FROM THIS SICK SCENE the PERVERTED GAYS claim is NOT PERVERTED ...

they are outnumbered 97 to 3 .. so it looks like MOST PEOPLE AGREE these people are SICK and need to be REMOVED from the society so the society is NOT AFFECTED by these perverted people's THINK

definition of perversion from wikipedia encyclopedia

Perversion is a concept describing those types of human behavior that deviate from that which is understood to be orthodox or normal. Although it can refer to a variety of forms of deviation, it is most often used to describe sexual behaviors that are considered particularly abnormal, repulsive or obsessive.

this is the definition ... and the GAYS can not even SEE IT ... they think they are NORMAL ... when 97 out of a hundred of the population says otherwise ... and they demand .. EQUAL RIGHTS TOO .. what makes them think they have EQUAL RIGHTS ???? ... there is 97 percent of the world that look at their behavior as repulsive ...

they should only get 3 percent of the EQUAL RIGHTS ... if they REALLY want to have EQUAL RIGHTS ... THEY DON'T HAVE IT ... so if someone who wants to clean his country of this disease ... than DOES HE AND ALL THE 97 percent of the country HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO IT?

jim

Paul
2nd August 2013, 23:46
I'm completely disgusted by some of the homophobic crap being spewed in this thread.
In my experience, some people do have fears of homosexuals ... likely tied in with issues with their own sexuality ... hence potentially very strong emotions.

A personal story. My father, long deceased now and a simple man of few words, once told me, when I headed off for college, back in the days of Woodstock and hippies, that I'd always be welcome home, even if I had done some major crime, like "shoot a Supreme Court justice" ... "just get a haircut first". The only condition on my coming home was short hair. I figure he was afraid of seeing a long haired young man from the rear, think it was a female, and be momentarily attracted, only to be repulsed at his own attraction to her him when the young person turned around. That was his biggest fear, overriding even seeing his own son again. It was this same fear that killed him at too young an age ... he wouldn't take his blood pressure medicine because it caused erectile dysfunction ... he preferred to die young instead.

Unfortunately, those personal feelings and fears, whether it be the personal knowledge that one is gay, or the fear that others will think you are gay, are played upon at a social level, as one more means of dividing and devastating society, so as to control it.

Disentangling the personal view from the imposed and conflicting societal messages is difficult.

Kindling
2nd August 2013, 23:48
"Perversion is a concept describing those types of human behavior that deviate from that which is understood to be orthodox or normal. Although it can refer to a variety of forms of deviation, it is most often used to describe sexual behaviors that are considered particularly abnormal, repulsive or obsessive."

Well, that makes it official, I'm a pervert. I think most of us here at Avalon can proudly stand with our LGBT brothers and sisters now. LOL!! This thread is just freakin' wild. Jim, I believe you've gone over the edge, but that's just my humble opinion.

thunder24
3rd August 2013, 01:03
:amen: .................
Be careful folks. This is what could happen if lesbians are allowed to raise children. The children could end up like this:

bLMb8RIIIDQ

Carpathian
3rd August 2013, 02:51
in most populations gays only make up 1-3% of the population. the 10% myth was created by misrepresentation of the " research " on one Dr. Kinsey who interviewed sex offenders in jail and recorded that 10 % of them were admitted homosexuals. His research was then passed on to the general public as meaning that 10% of the population was gay. This misrepresentation has been repeated over and over until people accept it as " fact" when in actuality all Kinsey documented was that a whopping 10% of sexual offenders in prison admitted to being homosexual. the numbers are WAY lower in most cities. The only exceptions to this rule are some of the major population centers , usually port cities, where gays have a tendency to cluster.

being they are a minority ... why do they demand more rights then the 97 percent who are NOT GAY ....

they are demanding equal rights to the 97 percent of the population that are not gay ... and they should get only 3 percent of the equal rights since 97 percent of the population are NOT GAY ...

if you do a survey of the 97 percent of the population WHO HATE SEEING ALL THIS PERVERSION in the NEWS .. and everywhere else these people dramatize their perversion ... you would probably find that if the 97 percent said ... "we do not want to hear or see and have any association with these perverted gay people ... then if they wanted to have RIGHTS ... to be FREE FROM THIS SICK SCENE the PERVERTED GAYS claim is NOT PERVERTED ...

they are outnumbered 97 to 3 .. so it looks like MOST PEOPLE AGREE these people are SICK and need to be REMOVED from the society so the society is NOT AFFECTED by these perverted people's THINK

definition of perversion from wikipedia encyclopedia

Perversion is a concept describing those types of human behavior that deviate from that which is understood to be orthodox or normal. Although it can refer to a variety of forms of deviation, it is most often used to describe sexual behaviors that are considered particularly abnormal, repulsive or obsessive.

this is the definition ... and the GAYS can not even SEE IT ... they think they are NORMAL ... when 97 out of a hundred of the population says otherwise ... and they demand .. EQUAL RIGHTS TOO .. what makes them think they have EQUAL RIGHTS ???? ... there is 97 percent of the world that look at their behavior as repulsive ...

they should only get 3 percent of the EQUAL RIGHTS ... if they REALLY want to have EQUAL RIGHTS ... THEY DON'T HAVE IT ... so if someone who wants to clean his country of this disease ... than DOES HE AND ALL THE 97 percent of the country HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO IT?

jim

Jim,

Wow. I'm sorry, there is just too much hate in your response. I don't have anything else to say.

Thanks,

Carp

Nick Matkin
3rd August 2013, 07:09
Oh for goodness sake Jim!

No matter how 'few' a minority is in society why should they not get equal rights? If those of the Jewish faith are only say 'only' 5 or 10 percent in any country or city, should they not get equal rights?

And as for your nonsense about percentages; I was an engineer for 30 years. In all that time, in my staff of 20 to 25 other men, there were always 4 or 5 gay men in the group. They were just the ones that were happy to be open about their sexuality.The staff churn was as you'd expect in any job, people came and went but the gay numbers stayed more or less the same.

Now... either gay men are attracted to engineering, they were being deliberately recruited, (but how? It's not on the application form and everyone recruiting were straight) or that's a fairly typical number if you create an atmosphere where people can be open about themselves.

Your informed opinion...?

Nick

jiminii
3rd August 2013, 08:47
Oh for goodness sake Jim!

No matter how 'few' a minority is in society why should they not get equal rights? If those of the Jewish faith are only say 'only' 5 or 10 percent in any country or city, should they not get equal rights?

And as for your nonsense about percentages; I was an engineer for 30 years. In all that time, in my staff of 20 to 25 other men, there were always 4 or 5 gay men in the group. They were just the ones that were happy to be open about their sexuality.The staff churn was as you'd expect in any job, people came and went but the gay numbers stayed more or less the same.

Now... either gay men are attracted to engineering, they were being deliberately recruited, (but how? It's not on the application form and everyone recruiting were straight) or that's a fairly typical number if you create an atmosphere where people can be open about themselves.

Your informed opinion...?

Nick

you have answered the question .... if a person has to hide what he is ... or does ... that is covert ... and somewhat hostile .... look at the hostility of those who are defending it ... trying no matter how hard they try to make themselves right

you are doing something that is hidden ... that the majority of the society would disagree with .. and it goes from the most hidden to the most obvious ... trying to get the society to agree to this perversion ...

I will never agree ...

I don't hate anyone ,,, but you all seem to refuse to duplicate what I am saying .... the spirit chose to operate this way ... there IS something inside of him that disagrees with this ... and it will read on a meter ... you will get a reaction on a meter ...

I am teaching young school girls English .. in Asia .. it is a high school ... and I still have the thoughts of wanting to take them to bed ... but I have to make my choices ... I choose to NOT DO IT ... and try to be friends ...I, (the spirit), has no pictures but the GE (ghost that manages this body) has pictures ... and those pictures are full of S*** ,. so I must control those so they don't affect me

here is the cycle of communication

when people first meet

1. they are first in inhibition
they are afraid to even speak out or try to get in communication with someone else

this goes up to

2. compulsion

like being in a singles bar .. you push each other into forcing yourselves to go ask some girl to dance with you.

then it goes up to

3 desire

this is the entire sex erotic passion area ...

then it should go up to this level

4 . . friendship ....


tell me now how many on this planet are stuck in inhibition, compulsion, desire ????

and how many can bring it up to true friendship ....

how many of you have REAL TRUE FRIENDS YOU CAN REALLY TRUST ?????

see all of these are caused by people who are stuck somewhere on the tone scale ... (tone scale of emotions )

from death goes up to "apathy, grief, propitiation, sympathy, fear, covert hostility, anger, pain , antagonism, boredom, conservatism, enthusiasm)

now unless you can HAVE and NOT HAVE ALL OF IT ... you will have AREAS where you have been affected .. and they will read on a meter

those who Choose HOMOSEXUAL ... as a way of life ... shows that their tone level is in the area of covert hostility

what is covert hostility?

it is between fear and anger ..

the person is not up to anger which is where he will attack
and he is not at fear where he is too afraid to try

he is willing to attack enough to do it behind the back .. this means ... he will do it in secret because he is not high enough on the tone scale to ATTACK and go get the object of his desire

so you can see where people are by their choices in life ...

if he could find a nice beautiful girl ,, to love ,,, why would he pick a substitute ... BECAUSE IT IS MORE EASY TO GET A SUBSTITUTE than find the beautiful girl that IS THE REAL THING ....

all of these choices are in EVERYONE ...

but on this planet .. ALL OF IT HAS BEEN made into an ABERRATION ... to trap us ... by erasing these recordings .. these pictures ... these implants ... that were implanted into us through electronics and pictures .. to trap us here ...

so you see the engineers ... they are in this tone level ... they have to keep their aberration hidden ... they would not want others to KNOW IT ... and that alone makes it perverted .. it is perverted to the degree that the person perverts it ... goes to his gay parties or gay bars ... or gay protest

but if being gay would get you free from this planet ... then I would agree ...

but it will not ... somewhere in the being ... will have a disagreement with having to have to live HIDDEN.... or even be compulsive enough to do the act of being gay ...

this is in the spirit beings basic ethics ...

some gays are more ethical than others .. and will not put their sexual flows on other people to make them feel uncomfortable

but .. now look at the heterosexual area ... this is the more agreed upon area of life in a BODY .... do you see it get any better???

NO .. how many men or women would be putting their sexual flows on others to try to coerce them into some sex act ...

IT GETS NO BETTER ON THE HETEROSEXUAL SIDE EITHER ,..

but if you want to make a MORE SANE SOCIETY ... you make everyone AWARE OF THIS .. and you say .. IT IS OK IF YOU HAVE YOUR PERVERSIONS ... (HOMO OR HETER) ... but don't put it on the society ...

Me ... I find the best way is to make friends with my students ... then this perversion goes away ... I raise it to the highest tone ..

then it is easy for them and safe for them to be with me ... I give them a safe space

and when I do this .... it is a much more beautiful place in life to be ...

this is where everyone can be happy together and life a beautiful life ..

BUT .. what prevents this ....??????

what prevents it ... is all the recorded pictures WE DON'T NEED .. but was designed into the creation.. that can be removed ...

these recorded pictures ... have all the pain in them for trillions of years ... and the amount of free theta someone has to the amount of entheta they have ... puts them on this tone scale ...

I am just telling the truth here ...

IT DOESN'T MATTER where you are in life ,,, if you erase these painful pictures from the last trillion trillion years .. you could have sex with anyone male or female ... but it would NOT BE A COMPULSION ... from some painful pictures in the past ...


so to destimulate the population .. would be to make the place safe for anyone to live in .... if you MUST HAVE YOUR PORNOGRAPHIC PICTURES .HIDDEN . in fear of going to JAIL ... then so be it ...

you have to put some restrictions on what you want in the society ... to make it a more safe and sane place to live in

that is what Putin is trying to do

jim

Cristian
3rd August 2013, 09:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mv0wmrI5EM

Observer1964
3rd August 2013, 10:11
All in all a difficult topic with much emotional stances.
I am not anti gay, but also not pro gay, I just accept the fact there exsist gay ppl wich have a right to live imo.
What I am against is adoption by homosexuals, the guy in the video is born from a lesbian mother so basicly almost natural, but I am against artificial insemination as such, also for hetero parents, but that is another issue. I am against unnatural reproduction as I think it will eventually circumvent natural selection and weaken the human species.
Lookin again at the OP I see myself agreeing to 2 of the 3 points; No promotion and no adoption, both for the sake of the children, nothing to do with being anti-gay.
As someone already stated, most homosexuals come from normal families and despite being given the most normal situation the outcome is what it is. And that is ok with me.

I dont even know what to say now, I am sorry if I hurt anybody's feelings, but then again some remarks also hurt my feelings.

All I stand for is the rights of the children, something I feel not manny seem to be thinking about here.
I think most children would want to be raised by their natural parents, I think it is a disgrace children are given for adoption becoz parents cant afford to raise them themselves. Anyway, I'll leave this thread now, and wish wisdom to everybody on this subject.

Wind
3rd August 2013, 11:31
Putin as any other leader will come and go, but love will always prevail. You can't stop people from loving each other by making unjust laws.

Conaire
3rd August 2013, 17:46
Jiminii, just so you know, personally I have bypassed all of your posts over the last few days. Nothing about your original posts made me want to follow your line of thinking. I have nothing else I want to communicate with you on this particular topic.

Observer, if I was one of the people that upset you, I apologise. I wanted to challenge your view but I didn't intend to upset you. Again, to reiterate; I think our views on the protection of children are in agreement. And your views on I.V. and non-conventional pregnancy is definitely an interesting topic that would make an for interesting thread.

jiminii
3rd August 2013, 19:02
Jiminii, just so you know, personally I have bypassed all of your posts over the last few days. Nothing about your original posts made me want to follow your line of thinking. I have nothing else I want to communicate with you on this particular topic.

Observer, if I was one of the people that upset you, I apologise. I wanted to challenge your view but I didn't intend to upset you. Again, to reiterate; I think our views on the protection of children are in agreement. And your views on I.V. and non-conventional pregnancy is definitely an interesting topic that would make an for interesting thread.

sorry I don't remember writing anything about I.V. (what is I.V.) .. and non-conventional pregnancy ...

no one has made me upset ... I just tell you the mechanics of the physical universe and how it works ... I remember the 1950's in Utah .. when everything was innocent ... of course I didn't read newspapers than I was born in 1945 ... so would be from 5 to 15 in the 50's and in 60's at 18 I joined the Navy ... and I remember back then you could not get a nude picture anywhere of anyone ... as far as I know if was illegal .. and only the underground people had it ... and from that time to now I saw the morals of the media breakdown to allowing more and more porno and 4 letter words appear ... until it is what it is today ... the breakdown of the government followed the same suit .. to where we are allowing presidents to be degraded like clinton .. and all the gay stuff they say about obama ... and they are doing this deliberately ... to upset the people of the country into being LESS ABLE to control ANYTHING the governments will put out .. all the gay stuff we hear about hilary .. too ...

this is what the PTB use to degrade our morals ... so they can put more of their agenda into the system ... break the system down until they finally can put in a martial law ... and turn us into slaves ...

I am just showing the mechanics ... if you know the Tone scale .. I have already put one up you can predict what a persons honesty level is by the tone level he is in ... SEX itself ... is minus 8 ... and each tone level will give you a way to evaluate if you can trust what someone says or not

the lower the tone level the more dishonest the person is ... and each tone level describes the condition the person might be in body wise ... so promiscuity is in covert hostile just like gay ... that is hidden hostility ... the person is cheating on his wife ... type stuff

so I don't get upset from peoples opinions ... I keep on my path ... and just put the mechanics there .. you can either agree or not .. up to you ... you can dig yourself deeper into the trap or try to find a way to dig yourself out .. and it really doesn't matter to me .. which way you go ...

I already know the future ... and ... I know we won .., and this time we have won a lot more ... the thing is WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO BE ... ???

you are here now .. and you can make the choices now to change that path ... but if you were to allow someone else to handle your case to clean you up ... HOW CLEAN DO YOU WANT TO BE ????? that is the question ... do you want to be processed by someone who will not tell the truth about himself??? .. the more CLEAN you are ... the more YOU come back to FULL POTENTIAL ... do you want someone to give you a cheap quick job ... that produces little or no results .. or do you want to be processed by people you can TRUST who will do their best to get you to the top ...

so it is a good idea to KNOW .. how to PICK your PEOPLE ... this is why the cabal will NEVER GET ANYTHING OUT OF SCIENTOLOGY or any other RELIGION OR METHOD ... because they HAVE TOO MANY SKELETONS IN THE CLOSET THEY DON'T WANT KNOWN ...

would they be able to trust themselves ... NO ... they KNOW .. they can't trust ANYONE IN THE CABAL ...

it is up to you .... you want out of the trap you will finally have to realize .. you will have to be completely HONEST .. if you want to get FREE OF YOUR PAST

so .. I answer these posts so people can look ... some of them might change their mind .. and maybe that would be worth it

but get upset ...???? I am already FREE ... I already KNOW MY FUTURE ... I can't be trapped by the implant stations on the planet

and besides that ... the force fields are removed and you're free to go home

but where will you next home be ????

if it was me ... I would get myself in the best shape I could before I would go back up there in the stars

jim

Vitalux
3rd August 2013, 19:13
Just to toss in some comical relief of a true story.

One of my wonderful friends John, i have known since high school, is homosexual.
My friend John, has a daughter named Hanna and my daughter were best friends growing up through childhood.

When my daughter was about 9, she expressed a desire to want to have a sleep over at Hanna's house.
I figured this was a good opportunity to teach her about homosexuality ( or same sex couples) to prepare her in the advent that
John may be spending time with his male lover.:hug:

So I asked my daughter, what she knew about gay people?

and her response was.

Well I think that Barney is gay :ohwell:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/79344/1866829-barney.gif

Conaire
3rd August 2013, 19:19
I think Barney is a gay man trapped in the body of a dinosaur. Lol.

Nick Matkin
3rd August 2013, 19:50
@ Jiminii

IV = in-vitro fertilization

Also Jiminii, I've put off writing this, but unfortunately I've now got the better of myself...

I'm sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, your writing style obscures any message you are trying to convey. If you want people to follow your reasoning, how about trying conventional, coherent sentence construction and punctuation like the rest of us? You appear to be educated and clearly familiar with the English language, so why do you write like that? What are you trying to prove?

You may - hidden in your obtuse phraseology - have something useful to add, but any clarity it may contain is usually lost - to me at least.

Regards,

Nick

jiminii
3rd August 2013, 20:13
@ Jiminii

IV = in-vitro fertilization

Also Jiminii, I've put off writing this, but unfortunately I've now got the better of myself...

I'm sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, your writing style obscures any message you are trying to convey. If you want people to follow your reasoning, how about trying conventional, coherent sentence construction and punctuation like the rest of us? You appear to be educated and clearly familiar with the English language, so why do you write like that? What are you trying to prove?

You may - hidden in your obtuse phraseology - have something useful to add, but any clarity it may contain is usually lost - to me at least.

Regards,

Nick

well it is possible i got this way long time ago when i was on chat channels

i just write it as it comes out

jim

Tesseract
4th August 2013, 00:11
On a journey between Samara and Tyumen I happened to share my part of the train with a seventeen year old woman from Tobolsk. She was particularly intelligent and interesting to talk to. She revealed to me that she was a lesbian, and that she could not stand even the thought of sex. This woman really quite destroys the stereotypes that some parties are trying to promote. She destroys the stereotypes that some use, in a passive manner, as a framework upon which to build the, sometimes pre-emptive, apology for their own, sometimes unvoiced, disdain of non heterosexuals.

These right wing Nashi types that that so righteously attack non heterosexuals (and it does not just happen at protests) might want to spare a thought for all the noble gay people who fought the Nazis in WW2. Although, unfortunately, to them, as one Nashi put it in a recent televised interview, ‘the Nazis were good but they made a mistake when they launched operation Barbarossa in 1941’.

The Russian police should concentrate less on their own corrupt thieving and actually pursue these vile fascists instead of turning a blind eye, which is normally the case. As for Russian law makers, well, anything that is a distraction from their own corruption is a victory for them. They have no problem with ten year old school kids being taught how to assemble a Kalashnikov in the class room – they might want to consider the kind of influence that might have on the children, seeing as they care so much. Perhaps they could start censoring Russian MTV, that channel is full of shameful content, that I’m sure they would object to Russian kids to be exposed to. Of course they won’t do any of these things, because this whole episode is just a shallow, demagogic, Putinist stunt designed to increase their own popularity.

TigaHawk
4th August 2013, 07:45
in most populations gays only make up 1-3% of the population. the 10% myth was created by misrepresentation of the " research " on one Dr. Kinsey who interviewed sex offenders in jail and recorded that 10 % of them were admitted homosexuals. His research was then passed on to the general public as meaning that 10% of the population was gay. This misrepresentation has been repeated over and over until people accept it as " fact" when in actuality all Kinsey documented was that a whopping 10% of sexual offenders in prison admitted to being homosexual. the numbers are WAY lower in most cities. The only exceptions to this rule are some of the major population centers , usually port cities, where gays have a tendency to cluster.

being they are a minority ... why do they demand more rights then the 97 percent who are NOT GAY ....

they are demanding equal rights to the 97 percent of the population that are not gay ... and they should get only 3 percent of the equal rights since 97 percent of the population are NOT GAY ...

if you do a survey of the 97 percent of the population WHO HATE SEEING ALL THIS PERVERSION in the NEWS .. and everywhere else these people dramatize their perversion ... you would probably find that if the 97 percent said ... "we do not want to hear or see and have any association with these perverted gay people ... then if they wanted to have RIGHTS ... to be FREE FROM THIS SICK SCENE the PERVERTED GAYS claim is NOT PERVERTED ...

they are outnumbered 97 to 3 .. so it looks like MOST PEOPLE AGREE these people are SICK and need to be REMOVED from the society so the society is NOT AFFECTED by these perverted people's THINK

definition of perversion from wikipedia encyclopedia

Perversion is a concept describing those types of human behavior that deviate from that which is understood to be orthodox or normal. Although it can refer to a variety of forms of deviation, it is most often used to describe sexual behaviors that are considered particularly abnormal, repulsive or obsessive.

this is the definition ... and the GAYS can not even SEE IT ... they think they are NORMAL ... when 97 out of a hundred of the population says otherwise ... and they demand .. EQUAL RIGHTS TOO .. what makes them think they have EQUAL RIGHTS ???? ... there is 97 percent of the world that look at their behavior as repulsive ...

they should only get 3 percent of the EQUAL RIGHTS ... if they REALLY want to have EQUAL RIGHTS ... THEY DON'T HAVE IT ... so if someone who wants to clean his country of this disease ... than DOES HE AND ALL THE 97 percent of the country HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO IT?

jim


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFeXwKnCUNI


Guess animals are perverted, should deserve little rights and should be removed from society too....


Oh wait....

Conaire
4th August 2013, 23:18
Timeline of gay rights controversy in Russia

May 12, 2013: Investigators in Russia announced the brutal torture and murder of a 23-year old man in Volgograd was motivated by homophobia
May 29: A 39-year old deputy director of the Ozyornaya Airport in Russia’s Far East was beaten to death because he was gay
May 30: Russia unveils its medals for the 2014 Olympics and Paralympics
June 11, 26, 30: The Federation Council (upper house) and State Duma (lower house) pass the “gay propaganda bill, which is signed into law by Russian President Vladimir V. Putin. It punishes the dissemination of information about homosexuality to minors but will be used for a broader crackdown. Vitaly V. Milonov, the law’s principle drafter, has referred to gay people as perverts and accused gay rights activists of waging an aggressive campaign of conversion among Russia’s children
June 15: The International Olympic Committee releases a statement assuring athletes that those attending the games would be not targeted. In its statement: “The IOC would like to reiterate our long commitment to non-discrimination against those taking part in the Olympic Games, the IOC is an open organization and athletes of all orientations will be welcome at the Games.”
June 19: Human Right Watch letter to the Director General of the International Olympic Committee on Discrimination of LGBT People in Russia in Relation to 2014 Winter Olympics
July 23: Russia bans four Dutch nationals for three years after accusing them under the “gay propaganda law.” The law allows the government to arrest or detain gay (or “pro” gay) foreigners for up to 14 days before are would be expelled from Russia
July 3: President Putin signs a law banning the adoption of Russian-born children to gay couples and any couple or single parent living in any country where marriage equality exists in any form
July 5: Actor Tilda Swinton holds a rainbow flag in front of Moscow’s Kremlin and St. Basil’s Cathedral. The photo goes viral on social media.
July 24: Seattle-based sex advice columnist and gay activist Dan Savage calls for a boycott of Russian vodka
July 31: Russian Sports Minister Vitaly Mutko says gay athletes are welcome to participate in Russia’s 2014 Olympic games but must “obey” the law, in direct contrast to the IOC statement
August 1: Gay rights activists in New York City dump Stolichnaya vodka in the streets. Gay bars across the country vow to boycott Russian vodka
August 2: The Twitter hashtag ‪#‎BoycottRussia‬ trends on Twitter
Feb. 7-23, 2014: Russia Hosts the 2014 Winter Olympics, XXII Olympic Winter Games, in Sochi

taken from https://www.facebook.com/BoycottRussianVodka?ref=ts&fref=ts

Carpathian
5th August 2013, 23:34
Oh for goodness sake Jim!

No matter how 'few' a minority is in society why should they not get equal rights? If those of the Jewish faith are only say 'only' 5 or 10 percent in any country or city, should they not get equal rights?

And as for your nonsense about percentages; I was an engineer for 30 years. In all that time, in my staff of 20 to 25 other men, there were always 4 or 5 gay men in the group. They were just the ones that were happy to be open about their sexuality.The staff churn was as you'd expect in any job, people came and went but the gay numbers stayed more or less the same.

Now... either gay men are attracted to engineering, they were being deliberately recruited, (but how? It's not on the application form and everyone recruiting were straight) or that's a fairly typical number if you create an atmosphere where people can be open about themselves.

Your informed opinion...?

Nick

those who Choose HOMOSEXUAL ... as a way of life ... shows that their tone level is in the area of covert hostility

what is covert hostility?

it is between fear and anger ..

the person is not up to anger which is where he will attack
and he is not at fear where he is too afraid to try

he is willing to attack enough to do it behind the back .. this means ... he will do it in secret because he is not high enough on the tone scale to ATTACK and go get the object of his desire

so you can see where people are by their choices in life ...

if he could find a nice beautiful girl ,, to love ,,, why would he pick a substitute ... BECAUSE IT IS MORE EASY TO GET A SUBSTITUTE than find the beautiful girl that IS THE REAL THING ....

all of these choices are in EVERYONE ...

jim

Oh Good Lord...

Jim, do you not know how homosexuality works? It's when you're SEXUALLY ATTRACTED to the same sex, and NOT ATTRACTED to the opposite sex. It has nothing to do with "choice" or "it's easier to get a substitute (what!?)" or anything else you've written. If I could've found a nice girl, settled down, and had a few kids I CERTAINLY WOULD'VE DONE SO AND BEEN COMPLETELY HAPPY. Many men choose that route -- lie to their wives and get married and have kids -- and end up eventually divorced because their attraction cannot be denied. But I thought, "God has a plan and made me the way I am" and I just wasn't attracted to girls no matter how hard I prayed to be straight, so I thought it would be more honorable to NOT do this to another person and lie about it.

And the reason people need to keep this side of themselves secret? Because, at least in the US, people can still be fired, kicked out of their homes, beaten up, etc. because of who they are attracted to. So, yes, people want to keep it secret, not because it's "perverted" or "shameful," but because they could be killed by some homophobic nutbag.

Seriously, I tried to leave this thread but you are spouting utter nonsense.

Carp

Observer1964
6th August 2013, 18:39
Oh Good Lord...

Jim, do you not know how homosexuality works? It's when you're SEXUALLY ATTRACTED to the same sex, and NOT ATTRACTED to the opposite sex. It has nothing to do with "choice" or "it's easier to get a substitute (what!?)" or anything else you've written. If I could've found a nice girl, settled down, and had a few kids I CERTAINLY WOULD'VE DONE SO AND BEEN COMPLETELY HAPPY. Many men choose that route -- lie to their wives and get married and have kids -- and end up eventually divorced because their attraction cannot be denied. But I thought, "God has a plan and made me the way I am" and I just wasn't attracted to girls no matter how hard I prayed to be straight, so I thought it would be more honorable to NOT do this to another person and lie about it.

And the reason people need to keep this side of themselves secret? Because, at least in the US, people can still be fired, kicked out of their homes, beaten up, etc. because of who they are attracted to. So, yes, people want to keep it secret, not because it's "perverted" or "shameful," but because they could be killed by some homophobic nutbag.

Seriously, I tried to leave this thread but you are spouting utter nonsense.

Carp

Although i stepped back from this topic I want to express that I do respect this statement and think you made the right decision. Life in truth is best.

But I still think that when it comes to adoption by homo-couples the child must be old enough to understand en agree to the adoption.

Swan
6th August 2013, 20:05
But I still think that when it comes to adoption by homo-couples the child must be old enough to understand en agree to the adoption.

As I see it, there are good parents, bad parents and somewhere in between parents ( I belong to the last group ). And from my experience homo- or heterosexualtity has nothing to do with the level of parenting skills.

Observer1964
6th August 2013, 20:17
But I still think that when it comes to adoption by homo-couples the child must be old enough to understand en agree to the adoption.

As I see it, there are good parents, bad parents and somewhere in between parents ( I belong to the last group ). And from my experience homo- or heterosexualtity has nothing to do with the level of parenting skills.

So how the child might think is of no concern? and it just has to accept the will of someone else?

I so much miss the perspective of the child all the time, is that my mistake? or just something all of you ingore in favor of your own view?

Swan
6th August 2013, 20:22
So how the child might think is of no concern? and it just has to accept the will of someone else?

I so much miss the perspective of the child all the time, is that my mistake? or just something all of you ingore in favor of your own view?

Well, children, both adopted and "born", have to " accept the will of someone else ". They get the parents they get :) An adopted child might end up with a lousy heterosexual parent or a good homosexual parent. Or, vice versa. What I´m saying is: parenting skills and sexuality is not connected.

Observer1964
6th August 2013, 20:34
So how the child might think is of no concern? and it just has to accept the will of someone else?

I so much miss the perspective of the child all the time, is that my mistake? or just something all of you ingore in favor of your own view?

Well, children, both adopted and "born", have to " accept the will of someone else ". They get the parents they get :) An adopted child might end up with a lousy heterosexual parent or a good homosexual parent. Or, vice versa. What I´m saying is: parenting skills and sexuality is not connected.

well as homo-couples cant produce their own children I think there is a big difference.
So if a human is considdered by other humans unfit to make a decision becoz it is considdered (by others) to young to be able to or not yet wise enough to be able to make decisions It has to accept what is dealt to him?

What if I considder you are unfit to make a decision? Maybe becoz I think you're not wise enough or biased to much or unwilling to accept some else's stance, In this reasoning I can also give myself the right to ignore what you wish... or not?
Ofcoz it is so much easier to make others accept our view, than accept others see 'me' as unfit to make that decision.

Observer1964
6th August 2013, 20:47
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Do you think this child would have agreed to be placed with these fosterparents?

She will never be able to give her opinion, So I asume she would have said; I was not bothered by my parents Pot-smoking habits, but my fosterparents killed me for me cries of misery.


Thinking we have the right to force our will on others lies at the base of this tragedy.

Observer1964
6th August 2013, 21:26
I am sitting here with my oldest son and discuss this topic.
You have to understand my oldest son has been with me as single parent from his 3rd month until 7 yrs.
Then I remaried.
I asked him things about this topic here.
He understands that gay couples cant produce their own children, so I asked him; What if I would have been gay, and I basicly used ur mother to get you, and after we split I would have a gay-friend. He wouldn't want it. We discussed how he thinks his life in school sofar would have been, he thinks that it would have been hell, he allready got teased enough the way it was.

Ofcoz we discuused more, but I just want your responses to what a child (my child) sais about it.
We never before talked about this topic or my stance on it as I sofar saw him as to young for this. (My bias I admit)

Observer1964
6th August 2013, 21:42
Also As a single father I experienced how kindergartens that are run by women only are biased, and when I had a complaint about his development since he went to this particular school they attacked me by trying to have him placed out of (my) home and put in fosterhome or worse, I barely managed to avoid that scenario by really use all my talents to the max and it cost me a lot of my energy at the time, So I know something about prejudgements.
ANd I know something about where these kids for adoption come from.

Conaire
6th August 2013, 22:12
Why would your son have a hard time in this hypothetical situation? The answer is simple; because of homophobia. No other reason. As I already wrote, children are not born homophobic, it's something they learn. Why would a child want to be raised by gay parents when they hear that it's "un-natural, against nature", etc etc.

The fact of the matter is, in more socially evolved communities gay parenting is not an issue. In more evolved communities gay kids feel comfortable with "coming out" to their family and friends at a much earlier age and live a healthier life, mentally and physically healthier. As apposed to societies where being gay is deemed something "un-natural and against nature", where suicide and social isolation is rife. Do the research, this is fact!

Vitalux
6th August 2013, 22:28
Also As a single father I experienced how kindergartens that are run by women only are biased, and when I had a complaint about his development since he went to this particular school they attacked me by trying to have him placed out of (my) home and put in fosterhome or worse, I barely managed to avoid that scenario by really use all my talents to the max and it cost me a lot of my energy at the time, So I know something about prejudgements.
ANd I know something about where these kids for adoption come from.

So what are your thoughts about Bert & Ernie?
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Conaire
6th August 2013, 22:46
This is off topic, that being the Russian issue but interesting reading nun the less; on same sex parenting.

"Children of same-sex parents are doing as well or better than the rest of the population on a number of key health indicators.
That is the initial finding from the world's largest study on the children of same-sex parents, under way at Melbourne University.
The Australian Study of Child Health in Same-Sex Families collected data on 500 children nationwide, up to the age of 17.
Of the 315 gay, lesbian and bisexual parents who completed the globally recognised Child Health Questionnaire, 80 per cent were women.
An interim report found there was no statistical difference between children of same-sex couples and the rest of the population on indicators including self-esteem, emotional behaviour and the amount of time spent with parents.
However, children of same-sex couples scored higher than the national average for overall health and family cohesion, measuring how well the family members get along.
''Because of the situation that same-sex families find themselves in, they are generally more willing to communicate and approach the issues that any child may face at school, like teasing or bullying,'' lead researcher Dr Simon Crouch said.
''This fosters openness and means children tend to be more resilient. That would be our hypothesis.''"

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/tick-for-samesex-families-20130605-2npxf.html

"Gay parents have 'healthier and less argumentative children'"

"Children with same-sex parents are healthier than those with heterosexual parents, new Australian research suggests."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2336889/Gay-parents-healthier-children-better-self-esteem.html

"According to the report, the children of gay parents are doing equally well or better than the national average "

http://www.salon.com/2013/06/05/worlds_largest_study_on_gay_parents_finds_the_kids _are_more_than_all_right/

TigaHawk
6th August 2013, 22:54
You cant choose your parents. Wether natually born, IVF, adopted or fostered. The child never has any controll over that, everyone decides for them.

Observer your example is no different than a woman that married a man purely for the money and child support. Nobody would like that.

When your particular example does happen, do you honestly believe that from the get go the planned the entire thing? To live with someone they actually hate for such a long time purely to get kids? And not that the peraon has been battling what that their feelings are and what they deem wrong or right? To the point where they cannot anymore and call it quits.

Personal story from myself. I am Leavian. I've recently broken up with my X boyfriend of 4 years.

Why was i with him if im gay? A long time ago, towards the end of highschool i found myself profoundly attracted to women. I did not understand it, or want it, but thats how it was. After a while i had a chat with my patents about these said feelings, to which they reaponded with a huge argument and throwing me out of the house with nothing... And told me not to come back untill it was "out of my system". I had nowhere to go, noone to talk too, nothing. I went back to my parents and they medicated me straight after with the pill, one with more than standard estrogen and progesterone. They told me i had a hormone inbalance - too much tesosterone - and even sadder i honestly believed it!

I had deluded myself as to who i was and what i felt because of what others deemed right or wrong, my parents before and after this chat would refer to gay people in a rude, crude and utterly disrespectfull manner - something which i also saw happen often at school as well.

Over an 11 year period i had allmost reached the point that i am at now 3 times, tho i had backed out and thought no - they are right im ****ed up and unstable. Most people think of the pill as purely a means of contraception, it's not. I felt supressed while on this - but only able to notice it when i had forgotten to take them for a day or week.

I left a job, not only because my boss was
Bullying prick - but because i had very strong feelings for a woman there whilst still in a relationship with my x, i was miserable because of that too. Something else i'd also like to point out - i had done my downright best to isolate/alienate myself from women. Id allways hang with the guy's, never went out, stayed home on my PC. Seems a bit like stockholm syndrome but i believe it was how i was able to cope and keep going with my life instead of ending it.

Discriminating against people purely because of their sexual orientation is utter bull****. Devide and conqueor tactics much? Its sad - but alot of posts and reasons i read here are allmost the exact same arguments peopme gave against giving black people rights, mixed racial parents and allowing black people to adopt.

Some say they disagree with IVF as its not natural and bypasses natural selection.
But those same people would go to the doctor for drugs of they got very ill,
Or would rush to the aid of a teenager that allmost kills themselves by doing something very stupid to impress friends or no aparent reason.

Some say that its about the kids and they would go theough hell growing up with a gay couple, but thanked people for the bi-racial cheerios thread, and completely ignore and disregard the utter hell most children go through at the hands of heterosexual parents that mistreat, neglect and abuse their children, allmost as if these things only exist in a homosexual parents situation, while forgetting these people know everything they say and do is being looked over by a fine tooth comb by someone just waiting for any excuse to shoot them down. Not to mention the damage inflicted to kids questioning or unsure of their own secuality should they speak with their parents about it.


Some say it's perverted an un-natural, nature itself laughs at that by thr fact that homosexuality is in the Animal kingdom, hell even insects can be gay. And they'd dismiss the same sexual acts - if performed by a heterosexual couple as something far less outrageous than they would with a homosexual couple.


Let's keep vilifying peope that like oranges because the majority of us like apples instead!

At this rate an age of peace and prosperity for all is impossible, even for the suposidly awake people because they are getting hung up on the same **** - tho its got a diferent name.

Truly saddening.

Conaire
6th August 2013, 23:47
Gandalf, aka Ian Mckellen in support of gay Russians:

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Conaire
7th August 2013, 16:05
"Obama Has 'No Patience' For Anti Gay Countries".

Speaking of Russia’s anti-gay propaganda laws, US President Barack Obama told TV host Jay Leno that he has “no patience” for countries that try to treat LGBT persons in ways that intimidate or are harmful to them.

“Suddenly homosexuality is against the law. I mean, this sounds like Germany with let’s round up the Jews. Let’s round up the gays. It starts with that. You round up people who you don’t like. I mean, why is not more of the world outraged by this?” said Leno, in the interview which aired on Tuesday, August 6.

Obama responded that he has “no patience for countries that try to treat gays of lesbians or transgender persons in ways that intimidate them or are harmful to them.”

When asked if the anti-gay laws would affect the Olympics, Obama said “You know, I think Putin and Russia have a big stake in making sure that the Olympics work, and I think that they understand that for most of the countries that participate in the Olympics, we wouldn’t tolerate gays and lesbians being treated differently.

“They are athletes,” he continued. “They are there to compete. And if Russia wants to uphold the Olympic spirit, then every judgment should be made on the track or in the swimming pool or the balance beam and people’s sexual orientation shouldn’t have anything to do with it,”
http://www.gcn.ie/Obama_Has_No_Patience_For_Anti_Gay_Countries#.UgIe tVeNPKw.facebook

"Irish youth groups hold Russian Embassy homophobia letter protest"

Meeting with Ambassador requested after human rights group claims gay teenager who was beaten by neo-Nazis allegedly dies of his injuries

Irish youth groups have handed in a letter of concern to the Russian Ambassador today to protest at the violent treatment of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LBGT) young people in Russia after a gay teenager who was allegedly kidnapped and beaten by neo-Nazis died of his injuries.

BeLonG To Youth Services, The Union of Students in Ireland (USI), The National Youth Council of Ireland (NYCI) and the International LGBTQ Youth and Student Organisation (IGLYO) have joined together to express their concern at the rise in public violence towards LGBT young people in Russia following the recent passing of homophobic legislation in the Russian parliament.

The legislation prevents the promotion of "non-traditional sexual relationships" and "prohibiting propaganda of homosexuality to minors".

Speaking today Carol-Anne O'Brien, Advocacy Officer with BeLonG To Youth Services said, “We wish to express our strong support for LGBT groups and young people in Russia as they face this worsening situation.

“We were shocked to view videos which have spread online, involving the luring, torturing and forced outing of LGBT youth.

“Many of these young people have been traumatised, ostracised and some media are claiming that people have been murdered.”

Spectrum Human Rights reports that the gay teenager who was kidnapped, tortured and forced to come out to his parents died from his injuries caused by the attack, and quotes a doctor who is associated with the campaign against homophobia in Russia.

“We believe that recently passed homophobic laws are providing justification for large increases in public displays of aggression towards LGBT youth,” Ms O’Brien adds.

“These inhumane acts are in clear violation of the European Convention on Human Rights, the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights as well as other international human rights documents to which Russia is a signatory."

Videos have also recently emerged online showing LGBT young people being exposed to luring, bullying, torture and forced outing.

And, according to Russia’s leading research agency, the Levada Center, approximately 74% of Russians consider members of the LGBT community to be mentally ill.

The Letter from BeLonG To, NYCI, USI and IGLYO requested that the Russian Ambassador meet with them to discuss the situation.

“Today we send a message of solidarity and support to our Russian peers – young people like ourselves who are being forced to live each day in fear of violence,” the letter states.

“No young person anywhere in the world should be persecuted because of their sexual orientation or gender identity.”

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http://www.belongto.org/pro/page.aspx?contentid=9383

"Venice To Cut Ties With St. Petersburg Over Anti-Gay Law".



In support of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community, Venice is seeking to cut ties with its sister city St. Petersburg, reports WSAV.

The Italian city wants to break off cultural relations with the Russian city because of its anti-gay legislation. On Jan. 28, the Venice city council unanimously approved a motion asking officials to cease cultural exchanges as long as anti-gay laws are in place, reports Act Up.

Grasping Venice’s “history, international prestige and conscience,” city council officials stated, “The city of Venice cannot ignore what is happening in the institutions,” reports Canada.com.

In 2006, the two cities signed an agreement to pursue cultural and further exchanges.

St. Petersburg is one of many Russian cities to recently pass legislation banning what they deem “homosexual propaganda" in recent months. Last year, St. Petersburg approved a bill that imposes fines for the “promotion of homosexuality."

The bill also effectively outlaws any gay pride events.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/30/venice-st-petersburg-anti-gaw-propaganda-law_n_2576044.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

"Stephen Fry warns David Cameron: Putin is making scapegoats of gay people, just as Hitler did Jews".

The actor, author and television presenter Stephen Fry has written an open letter to David Cameron, International Olympics Committee President Jacques Rogge and Lord Coe, urging them to ban the 2014 Winter Olympics due to take place in the Russian city of Sochi – because of Russia’s treatment and discrimination of LGBT people.

The letter is reproduced in full below:-
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/08/07/stephen-fry-compares-russian-winter-olympics-to-nazi-hosted-1936-olympics-in-letter-to-david-cameron/

Conaire
7th August 2013, 16:19
Stephen Fry's letter in full:


Dear Prime Minister, M Rogge, Lord Coe and Members of the International Olympic Committee,

I write in the earnest hope that all those with a love of sport and the Olympic spirit will consider the stain on the Five Rings that occurred when the 1936 Berlin Olympics proceeded under the exultant aegis of a tyrant who had passed into law, three years earlier, an act which singled out for special persecution a minority whose only crime was the accident of their birth. In his case he banned Jews from academic tenure or public office, he made sure that the police turned a blind eye to any beatings, thefts or humiliations afflicted on them, he burned and banned books written by them. He claimed they “polluted” the purity and tradition of what it was to be German, that they were a threat to the state, to the children and the future of the Reich. He blamed them simultaneously for the mutually exclusive crimes of Communism and for the controlling of international capital and banks. He blamed them for ruining the culture with their liberalism and difference. The Olympic movement at that time paid precisely no attention to this evil and proceeded with the notorious Berlin Olympiad, which provided a stage for a gleeful Führer and only increased his status at home and abroad. It gave him confidence. All historians are agreed on that. What he did with that confidence we all know.

Putin is eerily repeating this insane crime, only this time against LGBT Russians. Beatings, murders and humiliations are ignored by the police. Any defence or sane discussion of homosexuality is against the law. Any statement, for example, that Tchaikovsky was gay and that his art and life reflects this sexuality and are an inspiration to other gay artists would be punishable by imprisonment. It is simply not enough to say that gay Olympians may or may not be safe in their village. The IOC absolutely must take a firm stance on behalf of the shared humanity it is supposed to represent against the barbaric, fascist law that Putin has pushed through the Duma. Let us not forget that Olympic events used not only to be athletic, they used to include cultural competitions. Let us realise that in fact, sport is cultural. It does not exist in a bubble outside society or politics. The idea that sport and politics don’t connect is worse than disingenuous, worse than stupid. It is wickedly, wilfully wrong. Everyone knows politics interconnects with everything for “politics” is simply the Greek for “to do with the people”.

An absolute ban on the Russian Winter Olympics of 2014 on Sochi is simply essential. Stage them elsewhere in Utah, Lillyhammer, anywhere you like. At all costs Putin cannot be seen to have the approval of the civilised world.

He is making scapegoats of gay people, just as Hitler did Jews. He cannot be allowed to get away with it. I know whereof I speak. I have visited Russia, stood up to the political deputy who introduced the first of these laws, in his city of St Petersburg. I looked into the face of the man and, on camera, tried to reason with him, counter him, make him understand what he was doing. All I saw reflected back at me was what Hannah Arendt called, so memorably, “the banality of evil.” A stupid man, but like so many tyrants, one with an instinct of how to exploit a disaffected people by finding scapegoats. Putin may not be quite as oafish and stupid as Deputy Milanov but his instincts are the same. He may claim that the “values” of Russia are not the “values” of the West, but this is absolutely in opposition to Peter the Great’s philosophy, and against the hopes of millions of Russians, those not in the grip of that toxic mix of shaven headed thuggery and bigoted religion, those who are agonised by the rolling back of democracy and the formation of a new autocracy in the motherland that has suffered so much (and whose music, literature and drama, incidentally I love so passionately).

I am gay. I am a Jew. My mother lost over a dozen of her family to Hitler’s anti-Semitism. Every time in Russia (and it is constantly) a gay teenager is forced into suicide, a lesbian “correctively” raped, gay men and women beaten to death by neo-Nazi thugs while the Russian police stand idly by, the world is diminished and I for one, weep anew at seeing history repeat itself.

“All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing,” so wrote Edmund Burke. Are you, the men and women of the IOC going to be those “good” who allow evil to triumph?

The Summer Olympics of 2012 were one of the most glorious moments of my life and the life of my country. For there to be a Russian Winter Olympics would stain the movement forever and wipe away any of that glory. The Five Rings would finally be forever smeared, besmirched and ruined in the eyes of the civilised world.

I am begging you to resist the pressures of pragmatism, of money, of the oily cowardice of diplomats and to stand up resolutely and proudly for humanity the world over, as your movement is pledged to do. Wave your Olympic flag with pride as we gay men and women wave our Rainbow flag with pride. Be brave enough to live up to the oaths and protocols of your movement, which I remind you of verbatim below.

Rule 4 Cooperate with the competent public or private organisations and authorities in the endeavour to place sport at the service of humanity and thereby to promote peace

Rule 6: Act against any form of discrimination affecting the Olympic Movement

Rule 15 Encourage and support initiatives blending sport with culture and education

I especially appeal to you, Prime Minister, a man for whom I have the utmost respect. As the leader of a party I have for almost all of my life opposed and instinctively disliked, you showed a determined, passionate and clearly honest commitment to LGBT rights and helped pushed gay marriage through both houses of our parliament in the teeth of vehement opposition from so many of your own side. For that I will always admire you, whatever other differences may lie between us. In the end I believe you know when a thing is wrong or right. Please act on that instinct now.

Yours in desperate hope for humanity
Stephen Fry

Conaire
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Izheheruvim
24th August 2013, 05:28
Peace to everyone

The discussion doesn’t seem to touch on topics, or does it quite sparingly, that would resonate with some basic tenets of project Avalon. One of them is a belief, or recognition of the fact that this world is afflicted with an extremely corrupted and wicked ruling ‘elite’ trying to subdue people, both physically and spiritually, and do away with those who in one or another way are messing up with their plans. One can easily infer that whatever this gang is up to must be something quite detrimental in the end of the day. And it seems that, among other things, they are actively supporting the gay rights movement. Simply because of that it should be something alarming.

To the point, it emerged hand in hand with the feminist movement that, according to some sources, was engineered and financed by the very gang. One can make another inference that both feminist and gay rights movements went under the same wing to serve the same agenda. Aaron Russo in his interview “Reflections and Warnings” talks about the real cause behind feminism as explained to him by Nick Rockefeller, his former friend: taxation of the entire population and shattering of nucleus family that would make children much more prone to the state control.

Speaking of control, or mind control in particular, one of the basic programs of MK-ultra has been alteration of sexual patterns, and this could be the actual reason behinds the gay rights movement. One of the major outcomes of this movement is that sexual education has become an integral part of the curriculum in many European countries as well as in North America. One may assume that it was planned well in advance. An important aspect of this education is exposing children to various forms of sexuality, in particular homosexuality. Other considerations aside, it may create a deep emotional confusion that serves the same end – the greater level of suggestibility towards those in power. If it weren't so, it hadn't been used in MK-ultra, as simple as that.

Therefore, Russia's legislation against propaganda of homosexuality among children might be also viewed from this perspective.

Politics aside, there are some other concerns. But first i'd like to make clear my personal attitude towards homosexuality – it's that of a compassionate disapproval, and here both parts of the equation are equally important. From one hand i don't have any fear or hatred but rather empathy and love; from the other i'm deeply convinced that it's something unnatural, and i do apologize if i'm hurting somebody's feelings. I personally believe that the 'disapproval' part comes from the sense of disparity between the form and its essence. In case of homosexuality it's masculine form and feminine essence and vice versa. So it's not really some irrational fear but simply a Gestalt principle at work. The disparity becomes even more prominent when it comes to physical sexual expression – usage of bodily parts not designed for sexual intercourse. Again, i apologize if i'm hurting someone but it's precisely the source of my compassion – having a wrong body for legitimate desires, or wrong desires for a legitimate body.

But there's even more subtle dimension to that. For instance, natives of Northern America would call gays and lesbians "two-spirited people" implying they had both male and female spirits in them. Normally it was actually considered to be a gift unlike in pretty much all major religious traditions. Here one needs to understand workings of the subtle body and its ultimate destiny to have the mostly accurate view of the matter. There are three major energy channels or guna tattwas in human beings:

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The so-called "left" channel aka "moon" channel marked with the blue line has the quality of tamo guna mostly corresponding to the feminine side of the psyche. Right channel or sun channel - the yellow line - is featured with raja guna imparting masculine properties. And the essence of the central channel is sattva guna, something that gives a sort of balance between the two and propels their mutual development. One can look up wikipedia for better understanding of gunas and their qualities

Under ideal conditions the moon channel should be more developed in women whereas the sun channel is supposed to be more prominent in men, and all their physiological characteristics are geared to serve that purpose. It doesn't mean that women can't exhibit masculine traits (dynamism, rationality, persistence) or men should be denied the access to their feminine side (i.e. feelings and emotions), it's all about proportion. And the natural attraction between women and men, or femininity and masculinity in general, is actually based on the difference in that proportion.

Coming back to the "two-spiritedness" of homosexual people, this condition interferes with the normal proportion of masculinity in women and femininity in men and creates a major imbalance in the subtle system preventing the work of sattwa guna implicit in spiritual development. In this view existence of another spirit in addition to the dominant is a possession rather than a gift. And if one understands spiritual realization as the ultimate goal of human life and awakening of Kundalini shakti as the means for achieving it, then for Kundalini it becomes really difficult to make through an imbalanced subtle system since she is not supported by sattwa guna on her way up. More than that, Mooladhara chakra or the first energy center that lies in the foundation of the entire subtle system gets damaged by inappropriate sexual expression. One may assume that once the foundation is shaken it's quite difficult to have upper floors in a good shape either.

So far it has been mostly stating of facts, theories and observations in the most impartial and respectful way possible (at least i can see my inner attitude clearly), but i suspect that it may sound too gloomy and sexist as well as ambiguous on the top of that. If something needs to be clarified, i'll try to do that.

jiminii
24th August 2013, 07:10
Peace to everyone

The discussion doesn’t seem to touch on topics, or does it quite sparingly, that would resonate with some basic tenets of project Avalon. One of them is a belief, or recognition of the fact that this world is afflicted with an extremely corrupted and wicked ruling ‘elite’ trying to subdue people, both physically and spiritually, and do away with those who in one or another way are messing up with their plans. One can easily infer that whatever this gang is up to must be something quite detrimental in the end of the day. It seems that, among other things, they are actively supporting the gay rights movement, and simply because of that it should be something alarming. To the point, it emerged hand in hand with the feminist movement that, according to some sources, was engineered and financed by the very gang. One can make another inference that both feminist and gay rights movements went under the same wing to serve the same agenda. Aaron Russo in his interview “Reflections and Warnings” talks about the real cause behind feminism as explained to him by Nick Rockefeller, his former friend: taxation of the entire population and shattering of nucleus family that would make children much more prone to the state control. Speaking of control, or mind control in particular, one of the basic programs of MK-ultra has been alteration of sexual patterns, and this could be the actual reason behinds the gay rights movement. One of the major outcomes of this movement is that sexual education has become an integral part of the curriculum in many European countries as well as in North America. One may assume that it was planned well in advance. An important aspect of this education is exposing children to various forms of sexuality, in particular homosexuality. Other considerations aside, it may create a deep emotional confusion that serves the same end – the greater level of suggestibility towards those in power. If it weren't so, it hadn't been used in MK-ultra, as simple as that. Therefore, Russia's legislation against propaganda of homosexuality among children might be also viewed from this perspective.

Politics aside, there are some other concerns. But first i want to make clear my personal attitude towards homosexuality – it's that of a compassionate disapproval, and here both parts of the equation are equally important. From one hand i don't have any fear or hatred but rather empathy and love; from the other i'm deeply convinced that it's something unnatural, and i do apologize if i'm hurting somebody's feelings. I personally believe that the 'disapproval' part comes from the sense of disparity between the form and its essence. In case of homosexuality it's masculine form and feminine essence and vice versa. So it's not really some irrational fear but simply a Gestalt principle at work. The disparity becomes even more prominent when it comes to physical sexual expression – usage of bodily parts not designed for sexual intercourse. Again, i apologize if i'm hurting someone but it's precisely the source of my compassion – having a wrong body for legitimate desires, or wrong desires for a legitimate body.

I don't have time to finish my post, so to be continued...

sex itself is minus 0.8 on the tone scale ... it is a negative below death tone

this means it is affected by spirit beings only. A GE (genetic entity ... ghost that creates physical bodies), has no MIND other than electronically programmed memories to operate. It is like a ROBOT. It was what REAL spirits created before they got trapped inside it. They would create a body and animate it and grow it with a GE that is also a creation that is an automatic picture recording system that the life form uses to survive from. It has a programmed personality put in it by the spirit who created it like a lion or a tiger or a dog or any other species. But this GE can NOT originate NEW THOUGHT.

a large percentage of the planet are NO GREATER THAN THE TREES OR PLANTS.

To understand this you must understand this is a prison planet. Actual Spirit beings (which are really a spirits viewpoint that is also a creation so that the spirit can extend itself into the creation of this universe from the static it is), so these actual spiritual Viewpoints are dumped here from other stars as prisoners. They are implanted to alter their memories so they can not remember who they are so they can escape from this prison.

the number of these spirit beings depends on WHO IS DUMPED HERE, not HOW MANY BODIES ARE CREATED.

the 100 percent bodies are created by GE's

70 percent or more do not have SPIRITS CONNECTED TO THEM so these 70 percent are basically ROBOTS

30 percent or Less are bodies with both GE's and Thetans (spirit beings viewpoint)

So the bodies that are created are from GE's with NO MIND ... (their mind is an automatic response mind caused by pictures, experience, and programming ONLY).

so you can estimate that more than 70 percent of the planet are ROBOTS

30 percent have SPIRIT BEINGS, (viewpoints golden balls that manage and take over the body from the spirit).

the TONE scale goes from minus 40 to Plus 40.

the tone of a GE can only go from 0 (death) to 4 ... that is 0 to 4 on the tone scale. 4 is enthusiasm.

covert hostility is between fear and and anger.

below anger the being becomes more perverted, and is leaning more to death. So people below anger would be more prone to suicide.
so anyone below anger can not be trusted.

people in fear interpret everything in life from the viewpoint of FEAR

Covert Hostility the person interprets everything from the viewpoint of (to survive I must attack everyone from the back)

from anger the person interprets everything from a viewpoint (I must fight with anger to survive).

covert hostility the person is perverting THOUGHT. He CAN"T HAVE ANGER. because HE got ANGRY one time and it PRACTICALLY DESTROYED HIS LIFE.

so he can NOT get his TONE LEVEL INTO A SURVIVAL RANGE ABOVE ANGER because he is extremely afraid of ANGER.

Get angry around GAYS and they will try to tell you to calm down and be reasonable, while they covertly tell everyone that because you are angry you are NUTS.

The PURPOSE OF COVERT HOSTILE PEOPLE IS TO GET EVERYONE'S TONE LEVEL BELOW THEM SO THEY CAN CONTROL THEM WITH THEIR LIES AND KNIFE IN THE BACK TECHNIQUES.

Gays are in the COVERT HOSTILITY range ,.. and to some degree are knife in the back people or attack from the back either with words or other means

they always make your conversations less than they are and the purpose is to bring your tone level down below them, so they can feel safe

example: you bought a new shirt. The gay will say, "oh that is a beautiful shirt you have, I have loved it for years."

he says it is beautiful but degrades it by saying it is an old shirt to make it of lower value.

You get around covert people and you will come down in tone because their words are designed to bring you down below their tone level so they can control you and feel safe.

You get around gays and their SPACE IS DIRTY, STICKY, and they push their feminism to extreme KNOWING that if bothers people. THEY KNOW it makes people feel weird and awkward and that is why they do it.

therefore, you can not trust GAYS they have perverted sex to use it for CONTROL and their hidden intention is to bring people down below them.

Since their survival is leaning towards death THEY DO NOT CARE WHO LIVES OR DIES. Put them in the News or Politics and they will follow any of these Bankers programs whether it kills everyone or not.

jim

Izheheruvim
28th August 2013, 05:12
I edited my previous post, now it's giving a more complete picture.