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Atlas
31st July 2013, 01:33
Text by Antoine Gigal, Egyptologist, 2012 :

HATHOR and NEBHERU
According to the ancient Egyptians: Venus i.e. Hathor or the “House of Hor, the House of Horus, the golden Horus”

In ancient Egyptian "Neb Heru" /NEBHERU/ House of Horus/Venus was known to have had different places in the solar system in the past before stabilizing. All of this occurred after the death of Horus’ father Osiris fragmented into pieces . In all ancient Egyptian texts referring to ancient times we speak of the eye "associated with the word planet".

Hathor was the wanderer planet who created the panic and major damage to humans at certain times. It is said that these disasters started agreement with the God Ra, due to the impiety of men. And then it was very hard to stop the wandering devastating Venus.

However, it is thanks to this "movement of" Venus that Horus: NEbHeru / VENUS took the opportunity to attack his opponents, the forces of evil in the universe . Horus / NEBHERU / Venus was then considered a new bright sun which seemed to go back and forth to Earth throughout times.

So the so called "Nibiru" is not another planet, it is Venus in the past according to the Ancient Egyptians and what happened is past.

There are no Sumerian tablets that speak about Nibiru,they do not exist! Many people for years asked Sitchin to point out to them where in the Sumerian tablets the references to Nibiru are, but he never gave them this information. In addition, the name used in the documented tablets to identify the original home of the Anunnaki is Duku, which means "the sacred mound". It has nothing to do with the word Nibiru. Instead, the writers of the Sumerian tablets speak of the Supreme constellation, i.e. the Pleiades (as Mulmul).

References to them are well represented in the tablets.So what they are talking about in the tablets is actually the « Mulge », another planet that would have been destroyed and which is now believed to be in pieces in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. And its satellite would had been ejected from its orbit during the conflagration. According to many ancient traditions this is our current Venus.

So the Nibiru story of today that is spread from years now with all it's fears is a total hoax...and the references in ancient texts of many ancient traditions are speaking only about what suffered Venus in the past.

Read full article: gigalresearch.com/uk/hathor-nebheru.php (http://www.gigalresearch.com/uk/hathor-nebheru.php)

Watch also the interview of Antoine Gigal by Project Camelot :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1boLo-7Pwqk

Alexis
3rd August 2013, 11:34
A French Writer , Anton Parks say that to !!!!! Yes I think Nibiru ( NebHeru ) is Venus
http://www.zeitlin.net/EndEnchantment/Secrets.html

SilentFeathers
3rd August 2013, 12:12
Anythings possible......


Jupiter, Venus, and Velikovsky

Immanuel Velikovsky argued famously, based on his interpretation of ancient sources, that Venus had emerged from Jupiter as a comet, interacted with the Earth and Mars in the second and first millennia B.C., and then finally settled into a nearly circular orbit of the Sun.

Here are three new lines of reasoning that tend to support this theory:

1. Instead of the various unpersuasive suggestions that Velikovsky and others have made for how a cometary Venus could have emerged from Jupiter, we should consider the possible consequences of the immense gravitational field of Jupiter, which pulls into the giant planet a stream of asteroids and comets such as Shoemaker-Levy 9 in 1994.

A plausible scenario would have an initially dark, cold proto-Venus, pulled by Jupiter’s gravity from the outer solar system shortly before 2500 B.C., pass close to Jupiter, then manage to escape its gravitational field. We can term this the Peripheral Passage (PP) of Jupiter by Venus, and we can assume that extreme tidal forces from Jupiter’s gravitational field created tremendous heating and released a great deal of light that would have been visible to observers on Earth. This could account for the curious stories of the ancient Greeks, that Athena (Venus—eventually Aphrodite replaced Athena in this role) was born from the head of Zeus (Jupiter), and of the ancient Hindus, that Shukra (Venus) emerged from the mouth of Shiva (Guru or Jupiter).

According to Greek myth, Zeus swallowed the pregnant Metis (the story that he tricked her into turning into a fly, which he then swallowed, appears to be a modern invention). She gave birth to Athena inside of him, and then Athena emerged from his head—on the opposite side from his mouth. In effect, at least one ancient Greek observer spotted proto-Venus when it approached Jupiter as tidal friction heated it up to incandescence, and the Greeks called it Metis.

Velikovsky seems to have been unaware of the Metis myth and thus he misinterpreted the birth of Athena from the head of Zeus myth to mean that Venus had been explosively expelled from Jupiter itself. His scientific critics rightly considered that bizarre and unacceptable, so his reputation suffered and his other valuable contributions were ignored.

This proto-Venus would have been large and dense enough to maintain its integrity in the gravitational, magnetic, and thermal environment of Jupiter, though its surface would melt and some would be shorn off and become its giant tail, and the entire planet could have become molten. This Venus would possess a set of elements different from those of Jupiter itself. This scenario would also resolve the paradox that Venus is old (the proto-Venus) and yet its surface features appear young (shaped by its PP experience). A similar pattern may be associated with Jupiter’s moon Ganymede, whose surface and interior were remodeled by intense heat, presumably from its own PP of Jupiter–but Ganymede lacked sufficient velocity to escape from Jupiter’s gravity and so ended up orbiting the gas giant.

The Peripheral Passage explanation would overcome the three chief objections—escape velocity, elemental composition, and heat generation—to the assertion of Velikovsky that Venus emerged as a comet from Jupiter. The issue of the Jovian origin of Venus has been one of the main criticisms of Velikovsky’s theories in general (it was #1 on astronomer Carl Sagan’s list) as well as a key reason for denying validity to ancient accounts, many in mythic form, as sources of astronomical, climatic, and geological information. These objections held particular importance because the whole theory depended on the reported emergence of a comet-like Venus from Jupiter, which seemed outlandish and not credible to critics. Now that this emergence can be seen to have a commonsensical, scientifically plausible explanation, the credibility of the ancient observers—who after all were eyewitnesses–must rise accordingly, and therefore their other stories must be examined more carefully as potential sources of important information. The story of Metis constitutes precious evidence that, correctly interpreted, could have significantly changed the course and outcome of the Velikovsky controversy. It also ties into a more general theory of the terrestrial planets of which an appropriately modified version of Velikovsky’s theory forms part.

Curiously, PP could also account for the two specific roles that Jupiter played in ancient myth: as father of the gods (such passages of various initially invisible celestial bodies near or touching Jupiter could have been viewed as births) and as hurler of thunderbolts (the energy generated by Jupiter’s active processes could have caused gigantic lightning bolts visible from Earth to leap onto objects passing nearby).

2. It is possible that the Black Drop (see 2004 photo below) observed during the transits of Venus across the solar disk is in fact the residual tail of the comet/planet. On ingress from the solar limb, the Black Drop stretches out behind Venus; on egress, it appears in front of the planet. During transit, it is not visible. A residual comet’s tail on Venus could be shifted by the solar wind from trailing the planet at ingress, to standing away from the sun during transit (thus only the disk of Venus would appear), and finally to preceding the planet at egress.

The Black Drop is usually ascribed to various optical effects. One 18th-century observer said it made the planet look “like a nine pin”. Drawings by observers make the Black Drop appear exactly like a small tail. The effect was originally thought to be related to the atmosphere of Venus, but the Black Drop was subsequently found to be too large. Mercury, which has no atmosphere, also has a Black Drop when transiting the sun; and it is clearly visible from a space-based telescope, so this effect is not an artifact of the Earth’s atmosphere. This suggests that either the Black Drops of both planets are caused by some extra-atmospheric optical effect or that both planets possess remnants of comet tails. Presumably, the motion of the planet would make the tail (Black Drop) shorter at egress than at ingress, which could be measured; it is possible that skewing of the tail could be detected in transits that cut very obliquely across the Sun; and there might be some way to detect the tail as it stands away from the surface of the planet during transit. Or a sensitive telescope might detect a residual tail even when Venus is not transiting the Sun.

Venus also possesses a much-studied gas tail that extends as far as the Earth’s orbit, so this also needs to be investigated in reference to the Black Drop.[1]

A recent explanation of the Black Drop based on a Mercury transit observed from an Earth-orbiting telescope is that the effect is caused by the combination of the point-spread function of the telescope and “solar limb darkening”.[2]

According to the comet tail hypothesis, the solar limb darkening is not a cause of the Black Drop but an effect of the residual comet tail.

In 2012 Venus will transit the Sun for the last time in this century, affording an important opportunity to study the Black Drop to determine whether it actually constitutes a mini-tail of the sort associated with comets.

Findings from an investigation of the Black Drop may also help resolve the question of the Ashen Light, faint luminescence on the night side of Venus first reported in 1643. Since the Ashen Light appears in roughly the same location opposite the incoming solar wind as would a comet tail, it may be caused by chemical reactions within a residual tail of Venus. Presumably the strong glare of the solar orb prevents us from seeing the Ashen Light during transit by making the Black Drop appear blacker than it would otherwise be. Both the Black Drop and the Ashen Light appear to have become harder to detect over the years since the early telescope astronomers spotted them. This would be consistent with the diminution over several centuries of a residual comet tail.

Abu Simbel3. Lastly, a new interpretation of iconographic evidence also deserves attention. [3] In the photograph from Abu Simbel of Pharaoh Ramses II and his consort Nefertari appear what look like the comet Venus and its two-pronged tail in Nefertari’s headdress, and the smaller Mars with its two imperfectly round moons and its own tail, presumably of dust stirred up by an encounter with Venus or borrowed from Venus’ tail, in the headdress of Ramses II. What is the age of this sculpture? How could the ancient Egyptians have seen the moons of Mars with the naked eye? How could these headdresses be explained other than as depictions of Venus and Mars during approaches to the Earth? Why should this evidence not be considered probative? [4]
http://www.scientiapress.com/jupiter-venus-and-velikovsky

Prodigal Son
3rd August 2013, 12:16
Interesting. Venus is Lucifer, the bright morning star. Jesus said he was the bright morning star. Lucifer is the Lightbringer. Light removes darkness. Seems the return of "Nibiru" is the return of Christ.

Makes sense to me :)

Tally ho... ;)

Atlas
4th August 2013, 07:11
A French Writer , Anton Parks say that to !!!!! Yes I think Nibiru ( NebHeru ) is Venus
http://www.zeitlin.net/EndEnchantment/Secrets.html

Thanks Alexis, from the link you provided, here is what Anton Parks says:

"I am not in accord with author Zecharia Sitchin's thesis concerning Nibiru. I am absolutely certain that he describes Venus before it entered the orbit that we know today."

http://img.onnouscachetout.com/images/tiamate2.jpg

"In the heart of the ancient Egyptians, Venus is Neb-Heru (the lord Horus), the avenger of his father Osiris. The funerary texts explain this marvelously and clearly associate Horus and afterwards the dead kings (the images of Horus) to the Morning Star."

"I have compiled equally a large number of documents proving that Venus wasn't in the place where we know it before 3000 [B.C.E.] Numerous myths relate its wanderings in the solar system."

MariaDine
13th August 2013, 03:21
The nebet hieroglyph portrayed the concept of two words that sounded identical. Neb, "all" and neb, "lord" or "master". The glyph was used interchangable to represent these concepts.
I wonder where that idea come from...

http://www.discoveringegypt.com/jspics/GlyphNEB.jpg

MariaDine
13th August 2013, 04:09
The Ank is a symbol for eternal life...the key of life....it represents the concept of eternal life....divine energy that gives eternal life, because it is the emanation of the SOURCE...
Of course , Source is Love divine, so being Venus the symbol of Love, Life etc...we see the connection

Many Anks are showered over the Pharaoh during his consecration, by the Gods...

http://www.charlesmiller.co.uk/fla/images/komombo/kom018.jpg

http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/65/Ancient_Egyptian_King.jpg

irmensul13
14th September 2013, 04:06
Buares,interesting post..I just posted elsewhere in the book section about something relating to your post,so allow me to repeat myself here..
Sichin said NI.BI.RU was mentioned in an older version of the Enuma Elish,one that preceded the Old Babylonian Version,which I assume he had access to,if he wasn't lying about it..either from his massive private collection of clay tablets or via the Rockefeller institute that funded him..
Anyway,I have no stance on this,to me its irrelevant whether Nibiru was mentioned or not,but let me share this from Gerald Clark's new book..page 22..
"From the digitized cuneiform script,one can compose the word NI.BI.RU from three syllables which are listed in the Unicode as 1224C,12249 & 12292 (there were accompanying pictographs)..
Thats the only reference I've seen
Speaking of the Ankh,this recently declassified witness sketch of a landed craft by the Rendlesham perimeter fence shows on on the side..the symbol for creation & life,as you say,Mariadine
http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/Tim_Tempest/archivescc_zpsada28259.jpg
Below is another cool picture from Egypt,of the Watchers next to one of their craft..imo,these are the same guardians of the sky that Larry Warren & Travis Walton saw(middle,near top) along with the symbol for electricity & another intriguing symbol for what looks like some kind of tech..these guys are quite short,large eyes (but not big black eyes)with large skulls & have almost transluscent skin,with a marked lack of pigment..they are distinct from the taller,white & blonde haired Elohim/Anunnaki /Nordic types
http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/Tim_Tempest/full_zpsf9347d8d.jpg

amor
24th March 2015, 03:03
This Nibiru passage is making a mess of my life. I have one question, why the deaths of all these astronomers and why the Vatican telescope and others peering into the southern void? What is motivating all the money spent to see what?

amor
24th March 2015, 03:09
Would someone in the know tell us where Mr. Z Sitchin got his information from? Those who translate the clay tablets do not see what he sees. Did he get secret information from the Vatican or somewhere else? Any information would be helpful to all of us.

thunder24
24th March 2015, 03:29
amor, some have said he channeled, some say he deciphered...search deeper....