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irishspirit
1st April 2010, 18:23
Hi Guy's,

I do not know if you have seen this one yet, but here is a very HIGH RANKING military officer refusing to be deployed over OBAMA's right to be president.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea9JVnck_-E&feature=player_embedded

Thought's, will he be drilled for it and forced to go under the threat court marshell. Or will the back in in the hope that it does not see the light of day?

seismorg
1st April 2010, 18:35
Yes I first saw that vid on ATS a day or two ago.
If I were him I would stay out of small planes, better still don't fly at all.
I take my hat of to him, all the same.

pilotsimone
1st April 2010, 18:44
There were a lot of high ranking military put in place under Bush on what I call his "Christian Crusade". They are loyal to Military Industrial Complex under the guise that they will spread Christianity to the rest of the world (as the real leaders in the Military Industrial Complex reap the financial benefits of war).

So, no black, Commie, Socialist, Marxist, Anti-Christ (because you can definitely be all of those at the same time. lol) is going to tell them what to do. ;)

SteveX
1st April 2010, 22:31
Isn't this done to death already. The guy has been in office over a year. If he was born outside the USA does anyone think they'd (TPTB) would let it be known now. Be seen to have made a laughing stock of the whole of the USA.....noddachance. This guy just P'ed away his career and pension.

Lucid Jia
1st April 2010, 22:45
Isn't this done to death already. The guy has been in office over a year. If he was born outside the USA does anyone think they'd (TPTB) would let it be known now. Be seen to have made a laughing stock of the whole of the USA.....noddachance. This guy just P'ed away his career and pension.

Have you ever thought that "tbtb" want America to loose faith in there system? So that they can more easily introduce their more controlled dictator system. Clinton was impeached for sexual acts, Bush was a bumbling idiot and involved in election fraud, who lost all respect. Now if in a few years when Obama has rammed through all these new bills and policies he was found out to be illegitimate. After being built up so much and with so much "hope" It would really put a dagger in the heart of Americas faith in democracy etc.. Plans with in plans.

Namaste, Jia.

SteveX
1st April 2010, 23:13
Have you ever thought that "tbtb" want America to loose faith in there system? So that they can more easily introduce their more controlled dictator system. Clinton was impeached for sexual acts, Bush was a bumbling idiot and involved in election fraud, who lost all respect. Now if in a few years when Obama has rammed through all these new bills and policies he was found out to be illegitimate. After being built up so much and with so much "hope" It would really put a dagger in the heart of Americas faith in democracy etc.. Plans with in plans.

Namaste, Jia.

So obama is not in charge? It really is a plan to make America a laughing stock in the eyes of its people and the rest of the world? OK .... would you the people allow congress or the military dictate to the people who runs for Pres or who is put in office? I think the people would have the goolies off the man that suggests it.

Samarkis
1st April 2010, 23:24
Here are some interesting clips.............It is interesting to note that Those that have been watching Facist trends in the USA since 2000 (or earlier)
are all stepping up at the same time.................Jane Hampshire,Naomi Wolf,Alex Jones, Ron Paul & Lyndon La Rouche.........these groups cover all political spectrums................their main point is the debilitating,oppressivive fascist policies..........


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqhSnq7wdUo&playnext_from=TL&videos=FdHyfvzE8gE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgBXPWx5OTM&playnext_from=TL&videos=FdHyfvzE8gE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6SO6nVsEN0&feature=channel

pilotsimone
1st April 2010, 23:38
We (average Americans) are the laughing stock of the world already, friends. First, because we were duped with 8 years of Bush and now because the Tea Party has been completely infiltrated and taken over by right-wing extremists with the emotional maturity of toddlers. We ARE an embarrassment to humanity. LOL. Surely most Americans on this board are aware of this?

Samarkis
1st April 2010, 23:59
With all due respect..........please accept that for yourself.............There have been many couragiously active people........what it comes down to............is do you believe in sanctity of life and expansion of creativity and technology???? Or do you prefer genicides and shutting down of creativity and technologies to be used to coerce people and Earth???? It is time to put yr heart where you REALLY believe my friends...........

In Light!!!




We (average Americans) are the laughing stock of the world already, friends. First, because we were duped with 8 years of Bush and now because the Tea Party has been completely infiltrated and taken over by right-wing extremists with the emotional maturity of toddlers. We ARE an embarrassment to humanity. LOL. Surely most Americans on this board are aware of this?

K626
2nd April 2010, 00:16
All those Utube vids are nonsense if they are going on about Obama being evil or an illegal president and whatnot...TPTB really don't want Obama in charge (even with the whole Zebrinski thing that he has going on), Obama is still for me an unevaluated force in American politics.

You guys must have short memories if you've forgotten all the smear campaigns and fear tactics used to try and stop him getting elected. This is Obama's time and I'll tell you why..Because the one who makes the bridge is the one who wins despite being the OPPOSITE of everything in power when he ARRIVES. but he will STILL WIN.

Also, it is because he understands both religions (Islam and Christianity) and has come from those who have been ruled in his time (he is part black) and when he speaks his words are a sign. Obama is the first part of the bridge, but he is vulernable and he won't be the final one...But what happens with him is what will dictate the nature of ...The one to come.

Peace

K

Samarkis
2nd April 2010, 00:23
I guess you didn't listen to the clips....It states that the British are getting upset with Obama .......: ) Obama is not working as fast within their plans as they'd like........




All those Utube vids are nonsense if they are going on about Obama being evil or an illegal president and whatnot...TPTB really don't want Obama in charge (even with the whole Zebrinski thing that he has going on), Obama is still for me an unevaluated force in American politics.

You guys must have short memories if you've forgotten all the smear campaigns and fear tactics used to try and stop him getting elected. This is Obama's time and I'll tell you why..Because the one who makes the bridge is the one who wins despite being the OPPOSITE of everything in power when he ARRIVES. but he will STILL WIN.

Also, it is because he understands both religions (Islam and Christianity) and has come from those who have been ruled in his time (he is part black) and when he speaks his words are a sign. Obama is the first part of the bridge, but he is vulernable and he won't be the final one...But what happens with him is what will dictate the nature of ...The one to come.

Peace

K

K626
2nd April 2010, 00:34
I guess you didn't listen to the clips....It states that the British are getting upset with Obama .......: ) Obama is not working as fast within their plans as they'd like........

Stopped watching when he said, "Obama's Nazi health care plan"....

IMO broadening healthcare availabilty is a massive strep in the right direction for America...They've had to put up with millions of dollars of mis-information from big pharma (it took Hilary down the first time she tried it way back when) to get this through. By healthare I don't mean mass forced vaccinations (that is a different thing and others have their hand in that).

There is a big differance between 'a hidden Govt' (which I believe has considerable power in America) and writing off everything the daytime Govt does as some kind of malicious plan 'against the people'. I just don't take those videos seriously (and there are 1000's of them).

Samarkis
2nd April 2010, 00:46
In regards to the health care plan.....it is very much in the benefit now of the insurance companies and the pharma's, which is what they wanted....The ONLY part of the reform that would have worked was if the public option were in it to keep prices at bay..........Just please go to see what the Black Caucus and Cong. Conyers feel about the present healthcare sytem reform....let alone the 38 + states that have issued law suits on grounds that the health care reform is unconstitutional..................
I am glad you listened to about 2 minutes out of the 3 clips......a real study for American standards.......




Stopped watching when he said, "Obama's Nazi health care plan"....

IMO broadening healthcare availabilty is a massive strep in the right direction for America...They've had to put up with millions of dollars of mis-information from big pharma (it took Hilary down the first time she tried it way back when) to get this through. By healthare I don't mean mass forced vaccinations (that is a different thing and others have their hand in that).

There is a big differance between 'a hidden Govt' (which I believe has considerable power in America) and writing off everything the daytime Govt does as some kind of malicious plan 'against the people'. I just don't take those videos seriously (and there are 1000's of them).

K626
2nd April 2010, 00:50
....and the money system they talk about in the last video isn't controlled by one group (least of all the British) there are at least three factions (it's why we don't join the Euro) fighting over that...The old Hapsburg/Bavarian school (The Euro) the Scottisn Rite (Skull and Bones) the dollar (and replacing the dollar)...And the old Swiss Pact - B.I.S. who want to go to one currency and then plastic only and then perhaps the chip.
The other poiint being that there is no real differance between Mi6/Mossad/Cia they are all virtually working together, so there is little space for special schemes that exclude one or other of that special group. British pilots routinely fly stealth bombers for the Americans etc...

Church
2nd April 2010, 00:52
Have you ever thought that "tbtb" want America to loose faith in there system? So that they can more easily introduce their more controlled dictator system. Clinton was impeached for sexual acts, Bush was a bumbling idiot and involved in election fraud, who lost all respect. Now if in a few years when Obama has rammed through all these new bills and policies he was found out to be illegitimate. After being built up so much and with so much "hope" It would really put a dagger in the heart of Americas faith in democracy etc.. Plans with in plans.

Namaste, Jia.

I agree with much of what you said there, but I wanted to at least point out that Clinton was acquitted, to keep things in perspective. :)

K626
2nd April 2010, 00:53
In regards to the health care plan.....it is very much in the benefit now of the insurance companies and the pharma's, which is what they wanted....The ONLY part of the reform that would have worked was if the public option were in it to keep prices at bay..........Just please go to see what the Black Caucus and Cong. Conyers feel about the present healthcare sytem reform....let alone the 38 + states that have issued law suits on grounds that the health care reform is unconstitutional..................
I am glad you listened to about 2 minutes out of the 3 clips......a real study for American standards.......

Do you think he could have got a public option through? Really?

This is the AMERICAN political game we are dealing with right? Special interests, the insurance companies, big pharma are all going to have to be placated/get their slice..This is full blown capitalism I'm sure you agree. Wtihin this framework he has done reasonably well (Obama). I'm not saying it is a solution (I'd love a public option), but it is a step in the right direction. The French have a mainly insurance backed system (mutuales) and they are about as left wing as it gets in Europe. Also in the future this step can be used as a templeate to write in futher additions to the bill.

Samarkis
2nd April 2010, 01:08
[/QUOTE]Do you think he could have got a public option through?[/QUOTE]

The better point IS..........Obama has NOT fulfilled the facist's desires..............and now is the time to allow certain changes so that constitutional credit & currency as well as Sovereign Control so that World policy can be aligned with a physical economy and abundance instead of the false concept that everyone is broke & unproductive...............The system should SIMPLY be reset and done in such a way that creativity and technology flourish instead of the false economic failures...........

SINCE WHEN do productive people stop BEING PRODUCTIVE?????????????

Pls Google/yahoo/youtube the following people.....Naomi Wolf,Jane Hampshire,Ron Paul , Lyndon La Rouche, Alex Jones..............The first two women have done some AMAZING historical research as well as Lyndon La Rouche has been politically active since FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT'S time....and his specialty is ECONOMICS..............At his site there thousands of researchers, political scientists,ecological scientists in regards to global warming farce (just PLANT more plants..............)

I am VERY serious folks........I don't mind honest discussion..........I welcome it..........
In Light!!!

K626
2nd April 2010, 01:21
Oh on the wider scheme of things I agree, the American system as is - is on its last legs. The only debate left is whether it is by design or not and who's design??....AND how long are the majority of Americans going to miss the point even though there are many amongst them who speak out and can see what is coming. I'm well read on American intellectual rigour btw from Chomsky to Soros etc.. I like Ron Paul and Wolf btw...(Not so sure about Alex Jones, it was not so long ago he was very critical about Icke)...

Peace

K

SteveX
2nd April 2010, 01:59
That went nicely off topic.....at least the red coats are coming. Just think...you can have a queen and us Brits can rule the world again.

Samarkis
2nd April 2010, 02:01
Thx K626..........
By the way, Alex Jones has done a huge promotion of Naomi Wolf today...........We may not agree with all the people all the time....however, as we move forward, only some solutions are becoming blaringly clear as to honoring Sanctity of life and creating abundance and technology for the good of Humanity and Earth...............May it be...........

Much Light to all .................

Samarkis
2nd April 2010, 02:12
Dear Stevex........The British People are NOT THE SAME as the policies of what the Queen has stood for...........(Princess Diana was a testimony to THAT....) It May be VERY,VERY helpful to listen to the economic policies outlined BEAUTIFULLY in these two clips.....It really outlines what is TRULY at stake............Sanctity of Life and the RIGHT to thrive................I would exceptionally state that the time spent listening behooves ANYONE that wants to see peaceful progressive change for the good of Humanity...........



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8diu9KAWyU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgcdRCWEt4Q&feature=channel


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgcdRCWEt4Q&feature=channel



That went nicely off topic.....at least the red coats are coming. Just think...you can have a queen and us Brits can rule the world again.

pilotsimone
2nd April 2010, 02:23
With all due respect..........please accept that for yourself.............There have been many couragiously active people........what it comes down to............is do you believe in sanctity of life and expansion of creativity and technology???? Or do you prefer genicides and shutting down of creativity and technologies to be used to coerce people and Earth???? It is time to put yr heart where you REALLY believe my friends...........

In Light!!!

I prefer we deal in reality about what is really happening. If we don't even know where we are as a collective in this country, if we don't acknowledge how the world sees us, then we can't move forward. There's nothing wrong with admitting that the vast majority in this country are playing out their roles in Duality very, very well. LOL.

You're right there are a LOT of courageous Americans coming forward...the Birthers, however, are hardly among them.

I hope my posts don't come off rudely, Samarkis. I'm very used to posting on political debate boards, so I tend to be very blunt.

I think very highly of you and your messages of Love and Light, friend.

Samarkis
2nd April 2010, 02:29
Respectfully.........
LOL.........

Reality has been set for the USA since 1932 at Jekyl Island...............NOW is a chance to reset what was wronged........and this time, for the world as well, each country a sovereign country with their own currencies,education,and technologies.............that is the reality.........again....You set usual american standards for studying....lol....there is NO WAY you have listened to an historian's document on "1932" when America's wealth DID NOT GO TO IT'S PEOPLES.........................Pls listen and I will be happy to discuss.........other wise you are just blowing in the wind.......respectfully!




I prefer we deal in reality about what is really happening. If we don't even know where we are as a collective in this country, if we don't acknowledge how the world sees us, then we can't move forward. There's nothing wrong with admitting that the vast majority in this country are playing out their roles in Duality very, very well. LOL.

You're right there are a LOT of courageous Americans coming forward...the Birthers, however, are hardly among them.

pilotsimone
2nd April 2010, 02:31
I agree with much of what you said there, but I wanted to at least point out that Clinton was acquitted, to keep things in perspective. :)

...and was anyone ever embarrassed that Clinton received sexual favors in the White House? I distinctly remember the rest of the world poking fun that we were such prudes. :biggrin1:

Samarkis
2nd April 2010, 02:43
Again......it is interesting what is used to try to throw questions at a person's Integrity, eh??? You remember that Steve Ritter was also charged with sexual misconduct directly because he stepped up as UN Nuclear Inspecter in Iraq and un-equivically stated that THERE WERE NO weapons of Mass Destruction!!! The biggest issue was that Clinton reduced the National deficit so much that the Treasury owed no interest to the private bankers that own the Federal Reserve( Pls look up on YOUTUBE a clip called "Monopoly Men"......about the true owners of the Federal Reserve...it is NOT owned by the US treasury as many people assume...It is actually as Federal as Federal Express...hehe) which angered them not a little.......




...and was anyone ever embarrassed that Clinton received sexual favors in the White House? I distinctly remember the rest of the world poking fun that we were such prudes. :biggrin1:

tone3jaguar
2nd April 2010, 03:07
I am not buying it. The guy does not seem to have any passion in the message. Probably a psy op.

Samarkis
2nd April 2010, 03:33
There is alot of clips here at this thread....can you clarify which clip is your opinion directed towards???? Thx!!!



I am not buying it. The guy does not seem to have any passion in the message. Probably a psy op.

Samarkis
2nd April 2010, 03:33
duplicate post from glitch

Samarkis
2nd April 2010, 03:33
Duplicate post from glitch.....

pilotsimone
2nd April 2010, 04:13
I'm sorry. You lost me, Samarkis. I would be happy to discuss if I understood how we went from my claim that Americans are an embarrassment (because we're so easily manipulated and mind-controlled by mainstream media) to 1932 and America's wealth? My contribution to this thread has only been about our 'standing' in the eyes of the world now and for the last decade or two. And I understand the Federal Reserve and how it all went down back in the early 1900s. Off the top of my head, I've seen Money Masters, Zeitgeist, Aaron Russo's "Freedom to Fascism"...all dealing with the Fed and how we came to be slaves to debt, etc.

This thread was about a Birther refusing to take orders from Obama based entirely on the fact that he didn't believe him to be a citizen. He had no problem taking the same orders from Bush when he deployed to Afghanistan the first time. So, he has no problem fighting an unjust war set to kill many. This is something entirely personal towards Obama.

Therefore, this is not a courageous move in my opinion. I see it more of a D*ck move...as we like to say here in the midwest. :)

Anything you've taken from my posts beyond that has been misunderstood, it seems.

I started the long video about 1932 you posted, btw. I haven't seen that one and am curious if I'll find new information that I didn't get from all the videos I watched last year. Thanks for posting!

lisa
2nd April 2010, 04:35
Freeman's take on the symbolism behind the Clinton sex scandal, the Bush election dispute, Obama's presidential eligibility, etc.
All in jest, to be taken with a grain of salt...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbMbfW_Mb3E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I01qv7k2jAM

pilotsimone
2nd April 2010, 05:51
Thought I'd go ahead and post the Snopes link that addresses Obama birth and birth certificate...


Among the highlights:

Obama's birth certificate (http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg) from the state of Hawaii submitted by his campaign in June 2008. In addition, there have been people who have examined it personally. Among them are the Factcheck.org staffers who took photos of all important aspects of the certificate…signature, raised seal, etc. You can see the detailed pictures HERE (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html.).

Both of the major newspapers in Honolulu (The Advertiser and Star-Bulletin) published his birth announcement on August 13, 1961. You can see it up close in the Snopes link at the bottom. You can also see the full page from The Advertiser HERE (http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser0000.gif). And the Star-Bulletin HERE (http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/ObamaBirthStarBulletin.jpg).


In October 2008 and June 2009 Hawaiian officials reported they personally verified that Obama’s original birth certificate was in the State Department’s files. You can see a statement from the director of the Hawaii State Dept. of Health (on the Snopes link below) confirming he has seen the original vital records verifying Obama was born in Hawaii.

Snopes on Obama's Birth Certificate (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp)


So, my question is this… What specifically are the Birthers asking him to provide now to prove he’s “American” enough to be President?

Are you starting to get the feeling there isn't anything he could do to satisfy this particular sect of disgruntled people? Are you getting the sense they don't really care how far they have to take it...don't really care if it's true? From where I stand...they want this Communist/Socialist/Marxist/Arugula-eating/Anti-Christ out of office! And truth and logic will NOT stand in their way! :no:

Samarkis
2nd April 2010, 06:12
I do not know why that person refused orders....maybe worthwhile looking into if he was paid to harrass??? There are always paid choas mongers.....

I guess as the other posters post...I have been answering with info I feel very valuable for most people only see a small section of the "plays of the game" at a time and what one really needs is to see it in a bigger context.....because those that are trying to control our destiny do......

Much Love & Light to Humanity.....Be wise, be motivated to learn from people that love your success and your abundance...help them help all of you.........




I'm sorry. You lost me, Samarkis. I would be happy to discuss if I understood how we went from my claim that Americans are an embarrassment (because we're so easily manipulated and mind-controlled by mainstream media) to 1932 and America's wealth? My contribution to this thread has only been about our 'standing' in the eyes of the world now and for the last decade or two. And I understand the Federal Reserve and how it all went down back in the early 1900s. Off the top of my head, I've seen Money Masters, Zeitgeist, Aaron Russo's "Freedom to Fascism"...all dealing with the Fed and how we came to be slaves to debt, etc.

This thread was about a Birther refusing to take orders from Obama based entirely on the fact that he didn't believe him to be a citizen. He had no problem taking the same orders from Bush when he deployed to Afghanistan the first time. So, he has no problem fighting an unjust war set to kill many. This is something entirely personal towards Obama.

Therefore, this is not a courageous move in my opinion. I see it more of a D*ck move...as we like to say here in the midwest. :)

Anything you've taken from my posts beyond that has been misunderstood, it seems.

I started the long video about 1932 you posted, btw. I haven't seen that one and am curious if I'll find new information that I didn't get from all the videos I watched last year. Thanks for posting!

pilotsimone
2nd April 2010, 06:55
I guess as the other posters post...I have been answering with info I feel very valuable for most people only see a small section of the "plays of the game" at a time and what one really needs is to see it in a bigger context.....because those that are trying to control our destiny do......

Yes! I think that is great! It's precisely what I like to do as well...connect the dots. I spent a very large portion of my time from 2004-2008 immersed in our current Politics. I was in deep. And then I was introduced to Eckhart Tolle and Zeitgeist around the same time in early 2009...and I was hooked. I cannot tell you how much time I've logged reading, watching, debating, and learning about Ascension, Illuminati, and basically the Truth about our past and how we've been manipulated for thousands of years. My brain is saturated to the point that now I spend most of my time piecing it all together.

I look forward to more conversations with you in the future.

Humble Janitor
2nd April 2010, 06:56
Why didn't this officer resign after the biggest hoodwink of all time, 9/11?

I'm just suspicious of people who hate Obama but proudly served someone who won by election fraud (Bush).

lisa
2nd April 2010, 19:02
I don't know what the Officer's motives are. However, I know that people who know that Obama works for the PTB are often not Bush advocates.

So, my question is this… What specifically are the Birthers asking him to provide now to prove he’s “American” enough to be President?
Snopes is a public media. Quoting from here (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=107678): The "certification of live birth" posted online and widely touted as "Obama's birth certificate" does not in any way prove he was born in Hawaii, since the same "short-form" document is easily obtainable for children not born in Hawaii. The true "long-form" birth certificate – which includes information such as the name of the birth hospital and attending physician – is the only document that can prove Obama was born in Hawaii, but to date he has not permitted its release for public or press scrutiny.

Also, peaceandlove posted this: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=210694&postcount=83

Northern Boy
2nd April 2010, 20:13
Obama is still for me an unevaluated force in American politics.

I`ll give you that in order to be evaluated he would have to take a stand on issues . His term in congress he refused to vote on issues of concern unless they were to go to war or to bail out he good buddy banker friends .Look no further then his appointments to his administrations as to who`s side he is really on . Michelle is spending money on what ever she likes and Barry is doing nothing but what he is being told to do. Sorry dude but he is just going to be the last clown to bring the house down . Accept it cause if your holding out for a miracle from that guy its going to be a long wait.


Peace

pilotsimone
2nd April 2010, 20:58
Have at it. :noidea:

I get a strong feeling they're being played by the President and this will work to his benefit (politically speaking).