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S-L
10th September 2013, 13:08
The following is a short statement from the moderator of the overpopulation subreddit. I thought the information was completely dead-on, if sobering. What does Avalon think? Will technology solve this issue like some kind of magic pill or will intelligent human restraint be required?

"The growth of our human population will eventually end somehow, whether we want it or not. But how will it happen? We can stop growing deliberately, of our own accord. Or we can let circumstances beyond our control stop us under conditions much more distasteful than anything we could decide on our own. To ignore the problem of population growth is to choose this second scenario for ourselves. Overpopulation concerns are about the welfare of humanity and the health of the planet, our only support system. As such, only humane solutions are actual solutions.

"Worldwide, approximately one million people die every week. In that same week, two and half million people are born. In other words humanity's birth rate is 250% of our death rate. The result of this imbalance is that, for the past fifty years, between 70 and 80 million new people have been added to our planet each and every year like clockwork. It's like adding a new Canada to the planet at least every six months.

"One remedy readily appears: humanity should breed less. The only alternative would be to die more, but of course nobody wants to die sooner, most of us hope for a good long life instead. Increasing our death rate is not a humane solution, and unless we lower the number of weekly births it isn't even an effective long term approach either. Some have suggested that famine, disease, war or genocide are solutions to overpopulation, but that is a twisted interpretation of the word "solution". Those are the kind of problems that indicate a state of overpopulation and that we can and should prevent by simply lowering our birth rate.

"Overpopulation is an insidious, chronic, long term situation that has been in the making for generations. Like hypertension, it doesn't kill you directly; instead, it raises all other risk factors and lowers the quality of life. And like most long term problems, it requires long term solutions. The only sustainable population is one where the birth rate is a close match for the death rate, a situation that must persist for generations and generations. Clearly this is not what we have now. It may not be possible to calculate an exact number of humans who can live on this planet because it depends on too many factors, such as the level of technology and per capita consumption. At the very least, we should work at stabilizing our numbers, that would be a great start. Following a small-family norm worldwide, providing contraception to all, along with proper education on its use and benefits should become priorities."

dim
10th September 2013, 14:02
not even two humans can live the good life together, not even one alone
overpopulation is the least of the problems

Billy
10th September 2013, 14:49
The problem is a two edge sword.

1. unbalanced sexual desires. answer is to make love rather than follow unbalanced sexual desires.

2. The recycling of souls, (not reincarnation) souls that cannot move onward because of their emotional attachments towards sexual desires, greed, control, etc. Therefore these souls just keep on returning to earth.

If those were brought into balance the population would be brought into balance.

peace

Lifebringer
10th September 2013, 16:26
Both because it's common sense, and because it's necessary. Murder of innocents need never occur, if you have faith that God/Creator has a spirit in our Planet's soul, that can expand to the size needed for the population. I mean CREATOR smarts beyond our imagining in most of our "pea brains," eh?

I'm thinking if WE make the choice to care for all here, that the best solutions will come to us, because ITS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. Not to mention all the technology that can clean and be clean energy for the future that is kept our of production. Think of the jobs, just making the aparts and components.

Who would be willing to have so much bloodshed and loss of life, and blood on their hands, and still call themselves a human soul of the creator that is experiencing or reflecting God's word and life he had planned?

Who would be that maladjusted being, that can stand and look themselves in the mirror the next day, month, year or decade and say, it was for the best and good of all under God?

That's why the game will never be played again. Too much risk that the lies can be told/hoodwinked into believing that CHRIST or Creator would want someone to kill a life IT has created. Who are we to judge and punish anybody, when our ignorance to the truth, is so obvious?

I for one, am not of that hypocrisy and I also don't think I'm alone on that one.

Lifebringer
10th September 2013, 16:37
When people are sexually abused, the sometimes become premiscuous as a way of placing finances/price on a body part, instead of being raped. Yes, this is true, and sometimes they turn to the same sex, than to allow that gendre' from ever doing it again to that body.
Now There are other reasons fo rsexual desires spreading, and it's because people are so depressed, they look to sex, to give a release. Not crazy or nimpho, but just need a release. A replacement that give joy or progress, where they can replace the sexual desire that replaced joy or good feeling about them selves in the 1st place. Then there is the sex addict, and programmed sex desire through various media, at incorrect times, or in commercials running all day.

I offer these for instances, because I've seen and lived around people who have gone through it, and to know about reasoning or consequesnces, can lead to solutions, until the balance is restored where nobody would think to turn something as precious as love, into some delusional target for teens to start exploiting their bodies again. It's why "Hanna Montana" doesn't fit the ball swinging Miley Syrus now. How can you take Cinderella, and turn her in to Sade Thompson? She could be more descreet about her sexual yearnings or fantasy, but she flaunts it because she's hooked into the ratings cash loop of entertainers, where to make it big, you must show immorality, to the public and advertise sexually desired fantasy for ratings/prizes/good movie scripts/stardom.

Moment of reality for solution, zen today.

Justintime
11th September 2013, 01:52
Well, there's always mars, terraforming the deserts, living in places like Alaska, Canada,the Great Northwest etc.there's so much open space left on this planet I really don't understand why some places are so heavily concentrated. I mean, one third of the entire world lives in India and China, that's just crazy. Not to mention we still have an entire continent with no one living there. And I hear there's space undeground:rolleyes:

Rosieposie
11th September 2013, 03:37
This is a big problem.. currently. It is however a short term issue I believe (in the grand scheme of things).

The reason I believe this is because of my own observations and my own experiences and I believe our overpopulation is a direct result of poverty, people lacking knowledge, and peoples emotional bodies being broken down.

If societies have the chance to heal, and people start thinking and feeling independently and develop self esteem and have the option of choice on the subject and the freedom to create their own lives.. I really do not perceive there to be any risk of overpopulating.

Some people will choose to have no children, some will have a couple, some will have a number of kids. Gay couples can help balance things out etc. When things are in balance this issue will dissolve.

Anyone who has raised children knows that as much as you love them they take a lot of love, time, and worldly resources. Anyone who has raised a "gifted" emotionally attached child knows they take a lot more love, time, and more more more you (and books omg it's 50 books a day, always touching, always communicating, always connecting, always exploring, always waking everything is MORE). So if these kids are our future I see people choosing smaller family and putting more resources into fewer kids.

SO if we want to solve this issue, then we need to:

A) STOP going to war

B) Educate people and give them the resources like seeds.. on health, food, permiculture, building, everything, everybody needs access to knowledge and give them freedom to be themselves

C) STOP violence to woman, STILL a major issue (1/3 woman globally or something ridiculous has been exposed to abuse, this is a major issue!!) and that matter any violence or discrimination to ANY group of people.

D) Love and care for our children, value them as individuals and NURTURE them.

Just drop the frigging control paradigms, stop trying to decide for other people, we need to empower each other and free each other not further regulate.

This problem will dissolve on its own if we take the necessary steps to lift and empower people

rgray222
11th September 2013, 04:35
I put this video out there just as food for thought.

I have often thought that the over population hype was just that hype. If you listen to all of it, over population will foul our air, water, deplete our food supply but that is not a logical conclusion to reach. Man by his/her very nature is adaptable and more people on the planet may actually be a good thing. It would force us to find alternative energy sources quicker, find ways to purify water quicker and work towards an even better sustainable food supply. There are those "waiting to be born" that could cure disease, stop corruption, put mankind an a path to a much better social consciousness and enlightenment. There may even be those that make Tesla and Einstein look downright average.

Even without a new crop of intelligent humans, we are finally learning that planet earth is a living organism, cleaning and sustaining itself much better than anyone would have thought.

You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see that there are great expanses of unused land around the globe that is more than suitable for agriculture purposes.

Also many countries already have zero population growth so there probably is a self regulating mechanism that kicks in when/if the time comes.

The overpopulation issue has been politicized and when I see that I am very suspect of the cause and the people pushing such an agenda.

This is not to say we shouldn't be concerned with population but I just don't believe it to be the problem that a lot of people make it out to be.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZVOU5bfHrM

grannyfranny100
14th September 2013, 23:52
This is fear porn by eugenics people including Bill Gates. Birth rates go down as people's lives improve. If we addressed worldwide poverty, this could be solved. The eugenics powers that be would rather kill off people with lousy GMO food, vaccines that mess with our DNA, wars, etc. etc. We are expendable if you buy into this hog wash.

Etherios
15th September 2013, 02:12
Its sad that people even on this forums still think that over populations is a reality. I guess global warming is a reality also and the north pole is almost melted ... erm nop

Chester
15th September 2013, 02:57
The following is a short statement from the moderator of the overpopulation subreddit. I thought the information was completely dead-on, if sobering. What does Avalon think? Will technology solve this issue like some kind of magic pill or will intelligent human restraint be required?

"The growth of our human population will eventually end somehow, whether we want it or not. But how will it happen? We can stop growing deliberately, of our own accord. Or we can let circumstances beyond our control stop us under conditions much more distasteful than anything we could decide on our own. To ignore the problem of population growth is to choose this second scenario for ourselves. Overpopulation concerns are about the welfare of humanity and the health of the planet, our only support system. As such, only humane solutions are actual solutions.

"Worldwide, approximately one million people die every week. In that same week, two and half million people are born. In other words humanity's birth rate is 250% of our death rate. The result of this imbalance is that, for the past fifty years, between 70 and 80 million new people have been added to our planet each and every year like clockwork. It's like adding a new Canada to the planet at least every six months.

"One remedy readily appears: humanity should breed less. The only alternative would be to die more, but of course nobody wants to die sooner, most of us hope for a good long life instead. Increasing our death rate is not a humane solution, and unless we lower the number of weekly births it isn't even an effective long term approach either. Some have suggested that famine, disease, war or genocide are solutions to overpopulation, but that is a twisted interpretation of the word "solution". Those are the kind of problems that indicate a state of overpopulation and that we can and should prevent by simply lowering our birth rate.

"Overpopulation is an insidious, chronic, long term situation that has been in the making for generations. Like hypertension, it doesn't kill you directly; instead, it raises all other risk factors and lowers the quality of life. And like most long term problems, it requires long term solutions. The only sustainable population is one where the birth rate is a close match for the death rate, a situation that must persist for generations and generations. Clearly this is not what we have now. It may not be possible to calculate an exact number of humans who can live on this planet because it depends on too many factors, such as the level of technology and per capita consumption. At the very least, we should work at stabilizing our numbers, that would be a great start. Following a small-family norm worldwide, providing contraception to all, along with proper education on its use and benefits should become priorities."

Its called a vasectomy...:cool2:

Atlas
6th June 2017, 23:30
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Praxis
7th June 2017, 00:42
Dont you find it odd that the people who truly believe this nonsense dont kill themselves for the good of the world?

There is not a population issue, there is a distribution and incentive issue. We grow enough food to feed everyone but that isnt profitable so we dont and most is wasted. We have more than enough land and heck we can even make new land(tokyo, dubai, etc.) What exactly do we not have enough of?

Furthermore, do you know how you solve the population issue? You look at places where it is decreasing and make the other places like it. This means, educating the world(particularly women on sex education with access to contraceptives) and bringing their standard of living higher.

Imagine you live in the slums of Mumbai. Your life is ****. You literally swim in **** to clean the sewers as that is your job. You do not have many sources of happiness or pleasure in the world. but your body has a built in pleasure unit. Since it is one of the few pleasure outlets you have, you use it. This isnt rocket science. If you look at "developed" countries, their birthrates are generally falling, even russia has a day that encourages procreation. So make the "developing" countries become developed. But is this the solution the malthusians push? Nope! We need a new way forward