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jagman
20th September 2013, 20:39
The House of Representatives on Thursday approved sweeping reforms to the nation's food stamp program that would cut some $40 billion in nutrition aid over 10 years and deny benefits to millions starting in 2014.


"This bill is designed to give people a hand when they need it most. Most people don't choose to be on food stamps. Most people want a job," said House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) "Most people want to go out and be productive so that they can earn a living, so that they can support a family, so that they can have hope for a more prosperous future. They want what we want."

Those rotten bastards! Sorry about the language.Most people would work if there was
any jobs. These people are evil! Their going to employ Mao and Stallin tactics on us
because we wouldnt support their Warmongering in Syria. I'm sorry for the rant.

Lifebringer
20th September 2013, 21:01
It's true what you said Jagman. They will twist crap around to fit their "starve the beast mantra." The beast being us who feed these corporate pigs. At the expense of the poor, the bankers are paying these jerks every election to siphon off, what isn't there.

MY God, they can't sink this country's Constitution any lower on the pursuit of happiness and welfare of the people's. There is definately going to be a "shaking on this one." To the least of these, ye do unto ME, was not a joke, but a firm warning to them.

Well, gang, buckle up and this time hold on tight.

SilentFeathers
20th September 2013, 21:31
This is how they think about average citizens, whoops, I mean average "subjects"......


DAVID ATTENBOROUGH: STOP FEEDING THIRD WORLD NATIONS TO REDUCE POPULATION

Top globalist Sir David Attenborough, who last year described humans as a ‘plague on Earth’, has now gone on record in calling for nations of the world to stop sending food aid to starving nations in order to reduce the population of the world.

http://cdn.storyleak.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/attenboroug-plague-population-control.jpg

Speaking with the Daily Telegraph, the highly decorated psychopath expanded upon his notion that the plague of humanity must be reduced throughout the world. Reduction that, according to him, really starts with starving poorer nations that have been decimated by first world global powers (and could be fed with about a week or so of military spending). The problem, Attenborough says, however, comes down to numerous “huge sensitivities” that continue to block the goal of massive population reduction.

More: http://www.storyleak.com/attenborough-stop-feeding-third-world-reduce-population/

jagman
20th September 2013, 21:41
That crap their spraying in the air that makes people so docile won't work when people get hungry!

CD7
20th September 2013, 22:38
The systems been set up to keep us dependent...

We have LAND everywhere being taken up by GRASS! Anyone want to make "grass" a dirty word--this is it!!! Instead of having eatable plants and trees in ALL these spaces?

No as it stands now we might as well be PETS home fed---dependent on the master, instead of taking the BULL BY THE HORNS and becoming our own master

When is humanity going to grow a set of balls?? Noone can do it alone...we have to all stand together and bring our balls with us. I hope I witness such a act...perhaps when everyones belly is hungry? That will usual bring the beast out--balls included

GlassSteagallfan
20th September 2013, 22:43
This is how they think about average citizens, whoops, I mean average "subjects"......


DAVID ATTENBOROUGH: STOP FEEDING THIRD WORLD NATIONS TO REDUCE POPULATION

Top globalist Sir David Attenborough, who last year described humans as a ‘plague on Earth’, has now gone on record in calling for nations of the world to stop sending food aid to starving nations in order to reduce the population of the world.


Speaking with the Daily Telegraph, the highly decorated psychopath expanded upon his notion that the plague of humanity must be reduced throughout the world. Reduction that, according to him, really starts with starving poorer nations that have been decimated by first world global powers (and could be fed with about a week or so of military spending). The problem, Attenborough says, however, comes down to numerous “huge sensitivities” that continue to block the goal of massive population reduction.



The issue of depopulation is about control. Limit the number of human beings and it will be easier to manage them. The world is not overpopulated, especially from the standpoint of food. Introducing Associate Professor Erle C. Ellis, an expert in long-term changes in land use and biogeochemistry at the University of Maryland...


New York Times Op-Ed: "Overpopulation Is Not The Problem"

September 16, 2013 • 9:47AM


Click here for full text of "Overpopulation Is Not The Problem" (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/14/opinion/overpopulation-is-not-the-problem.html)

Claims that feeding humanity strains Earth's supposedly finite resource base "demonstrate a profound misunderstanding of the ecology of human systems. The conditions that sustain humanity are not natural and never have been. Since prehistory, human populations have used technologies and engineered ecosystems to sustain populations well beyond the capabilities of unaltered natural ecosystems."

So says Associate Professor Erle C. Ellis, an expert in long-term changes in land use and biogeochemistry at the University of Maryland, in a New York Times column published September 13, entitled, "Overpopulation Is Not the Problem."

Ellis details successive technological revolutions to concentrate game, to distill and cook hunted food, and to produce increasing crop yields from the same land. He argues that a growing world population of many billions can be readily sustained "as long as necessary investments in infrastructure and conducive trade, anti-poverty and food security policies are in place."

Ellis cites the Danish "agricultural economist Ester Boserup, the antidote to the demographer and economist Thomas Malthus and his theory that population growth tends to outrun the food supply."

Echoing Henry C. Carey, Vernadsky, and Lyndon LaRouche, Ellis writes, "The science of human sustenance is inherently a social science. Neither physics nor chemistry nor even biology is adequate to understand how it has been possible for one species to reshape both its own future and the destiny of an entire planet."


Click here for full text of "Overpopulation Is Not The Problem" (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/14/opinion/overpopulation-is-not-the-problem.html)

Source: http://larouchepac.com/node/28154

Free Bird
20th September 2013, 22:56
This is how they think about average citizens, whoops, I mean average "subjects"......


DAVID ATTENBOROUGH: STOP FEEDING THIRD WORLD NATIONS TO REDUCE POPULATION

Top globalist Sir David Attenborough, who last year described humans as a ‘plague on Earth’, has now gone on record in calling for nations of the world to stop sending food aid to starving nations in order to reduce the population of the world.

http://cdn.storyleak.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/attenboroug-plague-population-control.jpg

Speaking with the Daily Telegraph, the highly decorated psychopath expanded upon his notion that the plague of humanity must be reduced throughout the world. Reduction that, according to him, really starts with starving poorer nations that have been decimated by first world global powers (and could be fed with about a week or so of military spending). The problem, Attenborough says, however, comes down to numerous “huge sensitivities” that continue to block the goal of massive population reduction.

More: http://www.storyleak.com/attenborough-stop-feeding-third-world-reduce-population/

Thank you for posting this SilentFeathers. This makes me so angry and sad to see such lies being perpetrated. Here are my thoughts on the "over population" myth. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63578-The-Benefits-of-a-Solar-Apocalypse&p=733078&viewfull=1#post733078

These people really hate humanity.

Peace & Love
-x-

AriG
20th September 2013, 23:07
Jagman,

The thought of restriction in a world of abundance is horrifying. No one on this planet should be without food, water, shelter, medicine, education or energy.

That said, allow me to share a story of personal experience.

After a number or years away, I have been asked to re-enter the matrix. Literally. In addition to my organic farm, messenger service, etc., I have been asked to take on the management of a HUD 30% LIHTC 100% Section 8 project.
In other words, a housing project.... a huge one. Twin tower high rise in the center of a city center. I am there, seeking, for lack of a better term, an "oracle".

In this environment, each applicant for federally assisted housing is required to have some form of income as their rent is calculated at 30% of their gross monthly income. So, for example, if someone has a minimum wage job, their rent would be adjusted to about $100 per month US. All utilities are included in this rent. Sounds fair, right? Well, this is what happens - Joe applicant gets a job at a burger joint earning minimum wage just long enough to qualify for housing and qualifies to pay $100 per month US for rent and all utilities. In this project, the absolute minimum monthly rent is $25.00 US. After Joe applicant gets his apartment, he resigns his job and re-qualifies as a zero income resident, thus reducing his monthly obligation for rent, heat, ac, water, etc. to $25.00 per month. One could argue that this is his "twenty acres and a mule" paid forward. Perhaps he is justified. However, he is sacrificing over $1000 per month to save $75.00 per month so that he does not have to work. The "average Joe" is 22 years old and in good health.

I am vehemently opposed to a monetary system for this and many other reasons. If every resource were available to every human, imagine the wonder that we could create. The interim stage is another story.

Yes, war is waged and fat cats get fatter and the power elite pull all the strings. But why, when given a leg up, must those at the bottom of the proverbial pyramid make choices that seal their fate? Is it systemic or is it abuse of a system with multiple holes? How do we motivate those who have no desire to be motivated?

robinr1
20th September 2013, 23:38
Jagman,

The thought of restriction in a world of abundance is horrifying. No one on this planet should be without food, water, shelter, medicine, education or energy.

That said, allow me to share a story of personal experience.

After a number or years away, I have been asked to re-enter the matrix. Literally. In addition to my organic farm, messenger service, etc., I have been asked to take on the management of a HUD 30% LIHTC 100% Section 8 project.
In other words, a housing project.... a huge one. Twin tower high rise in the center of a city center. I am there, seeking, for lack of a better term, an "oracle".

In this environment, each applicant for federally assisted housing is required to have some form of income as their rent is calculated at 30% of their gross monthly income. So, for example, if someone has a minimum wage job, their rent would be adjusted to about $100 per month US. All utilities are included in this rent. Sounds fair, right? Well, this is what happens - Joe applicant gets a job at a burger joint earning minimum wage just long enough to qualify for housing and qualifies to pay $100 per month US for rent and all utilities. In this project, the absolute minimum monthly rent is $25.00 US. After Joe applicant gets his apartment, he resigns his job and re-qualifies as a zero income resident, thus reducing his monthly obligation for rent, heat, ac, water, etc. to $25.00 per month. One could argue that this is his "twenty acres and a mule" paid forward. Perhaps he is justified. However, he is sacrificing over $1000 per month to save $75.00 per month so that he does not have to work. The "average Joe" is 22 years old and in good health.

I am vehemently opposed to a monetary system for this and many other reasons. If every resource were available to every human, imagine the wonder that we could create. The interim stage is another story.

Yes, war is waged and fat cats get fatter and the power elite pull all the strings. But why, when given a leg up, must those at the bottom of the proverbial pyramid make choices that seal their fate? Is it systemic or is it abuse of a system with multiple holes? How do we motivate those who have no desire to be motivated?

this was a great post.

thank you

robin

jagman
21st September 2013, 00:46
Jagman,

The thought of restriction in a world of abundance is horrifying. No one on this planet should be without food, water, shelter, medicine, education or energy.

That said, allow me to share a story of personal experience.

After a number or years away, I have been asked to re-enter the matrix. Literally. In addition to my organic farm, messenger service, etc., I have been asked to take on the management of a HUD 30% LIHTC 100% Section 8 project.
In other words, a housing project.... a huge one. Twin tower high rise in the center of a city center. I am there, seeking, for lack of a better term, an "oracle".

In this environment, each applicant for federally assisted housing is required to have some form of income as their rent is calculated at 30% of their gross monthly income. So, for example, if someone has a minimum wage job, their rent would be adjusted to about $100 per month US. All utilities are included in this rent. Sounds fair, right? Well, this is what happens - Joe applicant gets a job at a burger joint earning minimum wage just long enough to qualify for housing and qualifies to pay $100 per month US for rent and all utilities. In this project, the absolute minimum monthly rent is $25.00 US. After Joe applicant gets his apartment, he resigns his job and re-qualifies as a zero income resident, thus reducing his monthly obligation for rent, heat, ac, water, etc. to $25.00 per month. One could argue that this is his "twenty acres and a mule" paid forward. Perhaps he is justified. However, he is sacrificing over $1000 per month to save $75.00 per month so that he does not have to work. The "average Joe" is 22 years old and in good health.

I am vehemently opposed to a monetary system for this and many other reasons. If every resource were available to every human, imagine the wonder that we could create. The interim stage is another story.

Yes, war is waged and fat cats get fatter and the power elite pull all the strings. But why, when given a leg up, must those at the bottom of the proverbial pyramid make choices that seal their fate? Is it systemic or is it abuse of a system with multiple holes? How do we motivate those who have no desire to be motivated?

Hello AriG, I agrree that there are a percentage of the population that abuse the
system but should we amputate a persons arm if he has a splinter in his finger.
Thank you by the way for helping people get into homes. I used to work for the
government has well. I worked at a level 5 prison where There were some real
harden criminals. One Thanksgiving nite I was on duty. I was doing my nightly
rounds when I entered an inmates cell. I found a whole crocpot full of turkey.
The inmate I will call John had stolen the turkey from chow hall because he was
hungry. It was my job to write a violation and take him to the adseg unit or the
Hole has they call it. I turned around and walked out of his cell because I didnt
want to have to stand before god one day and he ask me why I took food away
from a hungry person.

Tesla_WTC_Solution
21st September 2013, 01:24
Vertical farming and therapy farming are two possible answers to the problem of poverty and starvation in America and the world in general.
Properly-sealed and tended greenhouses conserve water, prevent insect infestations, and avoid things put into the atmosphere meant to harm plants.
Vertical farms are amazing in their capacity to conserve water... they work well anywhere that gets light or has access to fresh water, or even salt water given the right conditions.

United Arab Emirates (I think) is very interested in vertical farming. Cities will be able to sustain the needs of their own populations using very simple technology involving growing crops indoors and utilizing resources like wind and solar power to provide an extra boost in the lighting.

Places that suffer homelessness and hunger should consider vertical farming as not only an answer to food shortage but an answer to living and working in the streets.
Homeless and jobless people would be able to spend a great deal of time in a sheltered, healthy environment, with access to free education and free food in abundance.

Universities would be able to interface directly with the needy, and veterans returning to the states could use their technical expertise to lend a hand and re-integrate into the community.

Prisons could start building monitored therapy farms and vertical farms as an alternative to boredom, violence, and confinement.

It's pretty obvious to me why the powers that be won't do this for the people.

Ernie Nemeth
21st September 2013, 02:39
My first thought is, those blood sucking, immoral, unethical, sociopathic scumbags!

Trillions spent to bail out the banksters, which the people's grandchildren's children will still be paying back, hundreds of billions to finance the wars just this decade with no end in sight to the warmongering, not one person sent to jail for the financial collapse while millions lose their homes because of it, patting down grandmothers and infants at the airport and irradiating them with full body scanners, routine road blocks infringing on basic rights, house to house searches without warrants, evidence tampering in national investigations, coverups, collusion, and everywhere hawking their shabby wares concealing the beggars they truly are behind slick advertising and media extravaganzas.

You know what? I'll stick with my first thought...

ghostrider
21st September 2013, 03:14
The House of Representatives on Thursday approved sweeping reforms to the nation's food stamp program that would cut some $40 billion in nutrition aid over 10 years and deny benefits to millions starting in 2014.


"This bill is designed to give people a hand when they need it most. Most people don't choose to be on food stamps. Most people want a job," said House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) "Most people want to go out and be productive so that they can earn a living, so that they can support a family, so that they can have hope for a more prosperous future. They want what we want."

Those rotten bastards! Sorry about the language.Most people would work if there was
any jobs. These people are evil! Their going to employ Mao and Stallin tactics on us
because we wouldnt support their Warmongering in Syria. I'm sorry for the rant.

jagman I offer a different perspective , I get what you say , I see everyday where I work plenty of grown people happy to sit on their rear ends, play with cell phones and watch steve harvey , waiting for the first of the month for the check and food stamps , and let the government be their nanny ... they have no ambition, and really could care less about anything going on in the world today , major sleepers ... ehummm they don't get out of bed until noon ... I bet they would be happy to go to the fema camps as long as there is cable ... sad

jagman
21st September 2013, 04:11
The House of Representatives on Thursday approved sweeping reforms to the nation's food stamp program that would cut some $40 billion in nutrition aid over 10 years and deny benefits to millions starting in 2014.


"This bill is designed to give people a hand when they need it most. Most people don't choose to be on food stamps. Most people want a job," said House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) "Most people want to go out and be productive so that they can earn a living, so that they can support a family, so that they can have hope for a more prosperous future. They want what we want."

Those rotten bastards! Sorry about the language.Most people would work if there was
any jobs. These people are evil! Their going to employ Mao and Stallin tactics on us
because we wouldnt support their Warmongering in Syria. I'm sorry for the rant.

jagman I offer a different perspective , I get what you say , I see everyday where I work plenty of grown people happy to sit on their rear ends, play with cell phones and watch steve harvey , waiting for the first of the month for the check and food stamps , and let the government be their nanny ... they have no ambition, and really could care less about anything going on in the world today , major sleepers ... ehummm they don't get out of bed until noon ... I bet they would be happy to go to the fema camps as long as there is cable ... sad

ghostrider I do get where your coming from also but what worries me about this
is little kids will go hungry if this becomes law. I guess i'm willing to let the leaches
leach if it keeps some kids from going hungry.

TigaHawk
21st September 2013, 09:12
Every single person on the planet could have their own house, fresh food & clean water and electricity. Everyone could live off a part time job and have more time to do recreational things.

Just to achieve this would remove the heirarchy & power system that keep's the few with alot of power and status, and everyone would be treated equally.

That's why it wont happen with the current system.

T Smith
21st September 2013, 13:52
That crap their spraying in the air that makes people so docile won't work when people get hungry!

You forgot the crap they put in the water, vaccines, food supply, and in virtually every other consumer product on the market produced by Big Global...but I get your point! :)

AriG
21st September 2013, 16:18
The House of Representatives on Thursday approved sweeping reforms to the nation's food stamp program that would cut some $40 billion in nutrition aid over 10 years and deny benefits to millions starting in 2014.


"This bill is designed to give people a hand when they need it most. Most people don't choose to be on food stamps. Most people want a job," said House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) "Most people want to go out and be productive so that they can earn a living, so that they can support a family, so that they can have hope for a more prosperous future. They want what we want."

Those rotten bastards! Sorry about the language.Most people would work if there was
any jobs. These people are evil! Their going to employ Mao and Stallin tactics on us
because we wouldnt support their Warmongering in Syria. I'm sorry for the rant.

jagman I offer a different perspective , I get what you say , I see everyday where I work plenty of grown people happy to sit on their rear ends, play with cell phones and watch steve harvey , waiting for the first of the month for the check and food stamps , and let the government be their nanny ... they have no ambition, and really could care less about anything going on in the world today , major sleepers ... ehummm they don't get out of bed until noon ... I bet they would be happy to go to the fema camps as long as there is cable ... sad

ghostrider I do get where your coming from also but what worries me about this
is little kids will go hungry if this becomes law. I guess i'm willing to let the leaches
leach if it keeps some kids from going hungry.

Unfortunately, the little kids go hungry anyway. The parents often either swipe their cards for another purchaser who then pays them cash for drug money or the parents use the money to buy lobster tails and filet mignon on the first and then end up at the freestore foodbank on the 15th. There are a number of churches that cater lunches into the children in the summer because without the school breakfast and lunch program being available due to summer break, these kids might not eat or eat very little. A HUD inspector visits annually to randomly inspect units to ensure the management company ( us ) is maintaining the occupied homes to standards. During these inspections, we see nothing but chip bags and cereal boxes. We are going to be investigating opening a green grocer in the commercial space in the building with fresh fruit, vegetables, organic selections and a real non gmo/organic butcher/deli. The cities are food deserts and this may contribute to the starvation issue. Our plan would be to accept the food cards and offer healthy cooking/eating classes, etc. A small step in a very vast ocean unfortunately.

AriG
21st September 2013, 16:23
That crap their spraying in the air that makes people so docile won't work when people get hungry!

You forgot the crap they put in the water, vaccines, food supply, and in virtually every other consumer product on the market produced by Big Global...but I get your point! :)

so true, and in addition, the subculture of apathy is encouraged and supported by the music industry, mass media, the "education" system that herds them around institutions like cattle without a care for their intellect, the public housing system that groups them into highly controlled residential "prison apartments" wherein they feed off one another's apathy and mimic self destructive behavior, etc. etc. Let's face it folks... the demons are after everyone brown face on this planet. Do I deserve better just by virtue of my lilly white complexion? My heart breaks for the children. They are so trusting and beautiful.

Whiskey_Mystic
21st September 2013, 17:02
The House of Representatives on Thursday approved sweeping reforms to the nation's food stamp program that would cut some $40 billion in nutrition aid over 10 years and deny benefits to millions starting in 2014.


"This bill is designed to give people a hand when they need it most. Most people don't choose to be on food stamps. Most people want a job," said House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) "Most people want to go out and be productive so that they can earn a living, so that they can support a family, so that they can have hope for a more prosperous future. They want what we want."

Those rotten bastards! Sorry about the language.Most people would work if there was
any jobs. These people are evil! Their going to employ Mao and Stallin tactics on us
because we wouldnt support their Warmongering in Syria. I'm sorry for the rant.

jagman I offer a different perspective , I get what you say , I see everyday where I work plenty of grown people happy to sit on their rear ends, play with cell phones and watch steve harvey , waiting for the first of the month for the check and food stamps , and let the government be their nanny ... they have no ambition, and really could care less about anything going on in the world today , major sleepers ... ehummm they don't get out of bed until noon ... I bet they would be happy to go to the fema camps as long as there is cable ... sad

ghostrider I do get where your coming from also but what worries me about this
is little kids will go hungry if this becomes law. I guess i'm willing to let the leaches
leach if it keeps some kids from going hungry.

We are often so concerned that a few people will "get away" with mooching off the government. Meanwhile both Bush and Obama gave away more than a trillion dollars to Wall Street fat cats who gambled and lost. Ridiculous. The free-riding lazy food stamp people amount to nothing compared to that. We are by far the richest country on earth. We can make sure our children have food if we want to. And if we feel like we can't afford it, maybe we should stop allowing the large corporations to avoid paying taxes.

AriG
21st September 2013, 17:40
The House of Representatives on Thursday approved sweeping reforms to the nation's food stamp program that would cut some $40 billion in nutrition aid over 10 years and deny benefits to millions starting in 2014.


"This bill is designed to give people a hand when they need it most. Most people don't choose to be on food stamps. Most people want a job," said House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) "Most people want to go out and be productive so that they can earn a living, so that they can support a family, so that they can have hope for a more prosperous future. They want what we want."

Those rotten bastards! Sorry about the language.Most people would work if there was
any jobs. These people are evil! Their going to employ Mao and Stallin tactics on us
because we wouldnt support their Warmongering in Syria. I'm sorry for the rant.

jagman I offer a different perspective , I get what you say , I see everyday where I work plenty of grown people happy to sit on their rear ends, play with cell phones and watch steve harvey , waiting for the first of the month for the check and food stamps , and let the government be their nanny ... they have no ambition, and really could care less about anything going on in the world today , major sleepers ... ehummm they don't get out of bed until noon ... I bet they would be happy to go to the fema camps as long as there is cable ... sad

ghostrider I do get where your coming from also but what worries me about this
is little kids will go hungry if this becomes law. I guess i'm willing to let the leaches
leach if it keeps some kids from going hungry.

We are often so concerned that a few people will "get away" with mooching off the government. Meanwhile both Bush and Obama gave away more than a trillion dollars to Wall Street fat cats who gambled and lost. Ridiculous. The free-riding lazy food stamp people amount to nothing compared to that. We are by far the richest country on earth. We can make sure our children have food if we want to. And if we feel like we can't afford it, maybe we should stop allowing the large corporations to avoid paying taxes.

Whiskey - you are completely correct. Guess who is not paying taxes? Operating as a non profit? The National Football League. http://www.change.org/petitions/congress-revoke-the-tax-exempt-status-of-the-national-football-league?share_id=RtPTVQHhWL&utm_campaign=signature_receipt&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition
[/URL] A bit off topic, but I wanted to share.

DeBron
21st September 2013, 17:59
The systems been set up to keep us dependent...

We have LAND everywhere being taken up by GRASS! Anyone want to make "grass" a dirty word--this is it!!! Instead of having eatable plants and trees in ALL these spaces?

No as it stands now we might as well be PETS home fed---dependent on the master, instead of taking the BULL BY THE HORNS and becoming our own master

When is humanity going to grow a set of balls?? Noone can do it alone...we have to all stand together and bring our balls with us. I hope I witness such a act...perhaps when everyones belly is hungry? That will usual bring the beast out--balls included

You can eat grass. Most people do not realize that.

jagman
21st September 2013, 18:21
These kind of stories always hit me hard. When I was 9 years old my father left my mother and
she had 3 boys and 1 girl to support. He had a very well paying job at the mines 25 $ an hour.
He refused to pay child support. Back then there wasnt alot of laws on the books enforcing it.
Anyway he was well thought of in the community because he had played baseball for the
Cincinnati Reds AAA organization So my mother could get no help. She went to work has a
waitress at a local restaurant. She made about 150 dollars a week ( Not Much to support 4 kids)
I can recall so many nites my mom made us potato soup or beans or rice for dinner. Just one meal
a day. I would go to bed so hungry. Some nites I would sneak to my mothers door hearing her
crying because she did not have enough food to feed us. She eventually went to school and got
a good job and took very good care of us.

Spike
21st September 2013, 18:32
People will wake up really fast in 2014 to no food stamps like these poor brain washed saps


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QwLmkg7C58

They are so happy with food stamps I would hate to be in a large city when they pull the rug from underneath the poor it'll be a zombie apocalypses.

CD7
21st September 2013, 19:24
You can eat grass. Most people do not realize that

Well good to know Debron!! If theres a food shortage ill just plop my happy ass on the ground and start grazing...

For the love of god were living like cattle anyway ...WHY not eat like em too!!!

CD7
21st September 2013, 19:36
These kind of stories always hit me hard. When I was 9 years old my father left my mother and
she had 3 boys and 1 girl to support. He had a very well paying job at the mines 25 $ an hour.
He refused to pay child support. Back then there wasnt alot of laws on the books enforcing it.
Anyway he was well thought of in the community because he had played baseball for the
Cincinnati Reds AAA organization So my mother could get no help. She went to work has a
waitress at a local restaurant. She made about 150 dollars a week ( Not Much to support 4 kids)
I can recall so many nites my mom made us potato soup or beans or rice for dinner. Just one meal
a day. I would go to bed so hungry. Some nites I would sneak to my mothers door hearing her
crying because she did not have enough food to feed us. She eventually went to school and got
a good job and took very good care of us.


I was left in a similar position.
Its the most difficult situation to be a single mother on the poverty line in the jungle---one of the worst positions to be in!

However once I went back to school to get a better job....the economy flipped and so did housing, so the hole I kept trying to get out of just kept caving in WITH MY COLLEGE EDUCATION

My boys are older and not living with me anymore, so me scraping by now doesn't bother me HALF as much as when I had them depending on me, but I know the stress, hurt, and pain tht goes along with it

onawah
21st September 2013, 19:49
It's doubtful this will pass in the Senate, and Obama has a say in it as well, so all is not lost for hungry Americans.

kcbc2010
21st September 2013, 21:21
The House of Representatives on Thursday approved sweeping reforms to the nation's food stamp program that would cut some $40 billion in nutrition aid over 10 years and deny benefits to millions starting in 2014.
Unfortunately, the little kids go hungry anyway. The parents often either swipe their cards for another purchaser who then pays them cash for drug money or the parents use the money to buy lobster tails and filet mignon on the first and then end up at the freestore foodbank on the 15th. There are a number of churches that cater lunches into the children in the summer because without the school breakfast and lunch program being available due to summer break, these kids might not eat or eat very little. A HUD inspector visits annually to randomly inspect units to ensure the management company ( us ) is maintaining the occupied homes to standards. During these inspections, we see nothing but chip bags and cereal boxes. We are going to be investigating opening a green grocer in the commercial space in the building with fresh fruit, vegetables, organic selections and a real non gmo/organic butcher/deli. The cities are food deserts and this may contribute to the starvation issue. Our plan would be to accept the food cards and offer healthy cooking/eating classes, etc. A small step in a very vast ocean unfortunately.

1) Recently some of my stay-at-home mom friends "discovered" the summer school lunch as a cheap way to feed their kids. I was so ticked because the program is meant for the very poor, not middle-class parents trying to scam a free meal for their kids. No ID or verification of need required.

2) In my state, there's been a lot of welfare reform lately because lottery winners didn't have to report their winnings to add towards their assets when applying or receiving benefits. Needless to say, that's stopped. Also, the college kids can't apply for food stamps anymore because they are supported by their parents.

3) I like the idea of urban farming, but it does take a lot to convince people that it's worth doing. It's really quite sick how much food our society wastes and yet people still starve. I have a hard time with that sometimes.

CD7
22nd September 2013, 12:28
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Haha FREE LUNCH in school is really not a benefit! Check out this savory delight I opened up last week---I work in the schools in my county

I believe its a Bologna Burrito? It went straight into the TRASH! I cant believe there giving children this...sad

PHARAOH
23rd September 2013, 11:22
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Haha FREE LUNCH in school is really not a benefit! Check out this savory delight I opened up last week---I work in the schools in my county

I believe its a Bologna Burrito? It went straight into the TRASH! I cant believe there giving children this...sad

I guess it's true when they say, "Beggers can't bee choosers". I know this may seem a bit extreme however, it is the only way out. Only when we are faced with losing that which we have grown dependent on, will be begin to create a new reality. Think of how many of us whom once worked for someone, now own a business due to the economic downturn and are now their own boss or have opened a new business or revenue stream that did not exist in their thoughts or minds prior to the downturn. It is a necessary evil IMHO. It can only make us better, stronger and more independent of them, (Government). :cheer2:

778 neighbour of some guy
23rd September 2013, 18:54
These kind of stories always hit me hard. When I was 9 years old my father left my mother and
she had 3 boys and 1 girl to support. He had a very well paying job at the mines 25 $ an hour.
He refused to pay child support. Back then there wasnt alot of laws on the books enforcing it.
Anyway he was well thought of in the community because he had played baseball for the
Cincinnati Reds AAA organization So my mother could get no help. She went to work has a
waitress at a local restaurant. She made about 150 dollars a week ( Not Much to support 4 kids)
I can recall so many nites my mom made us potato soup or beans or rice for dinner. Just one meal
a day. I would go to bed so hungry. Some nites I would sneak to my mothers door hearing her
crying because she did not have enough food to feed us. She eventually went to school and got
a good job and took very good care of us.


I was left in a similar position.
Its the most difficult situation to be a single mother on the poverty line in the jungle---one of the worst positions to be in!

However once I went back to school to get a better job....the economy flipped and so did housing, so the hole I kept trying to get out of just kept caving in WITH MY COLLEGE EDUCATION

My boys are older and not living with me anymore, so me scraping by now doesn't bother me HALF as much as when I had them depending on me, but I know the stress, hurt, and pain tht goes along with it

Respect to Jags mom and to you Christine, I can somewhat relate, my mother got pregnant at 16, got forced into marriage with my father ( depressed drunk), got divorced ( absolute scandal in those days) did not take a dime from him, she went to school to provide for me, but her studying years were hard on my since I was very small, kid with a key around his neck, taking care of myself from a young age ( left some scars), I can remember her crying over the bills and being totally fobic of the mailbox and pissed off at me because I stole all the cookies I could to stuff my face with, she never blamed me, I never blamed her, I have the utmost respect for single parents, hard choices have to be made there, not seldom these choices leave scars at the ones who did not have a voice yet.

40 billion in cuts devided by 57 million= ???? Stealing food from people who depend on it for their survival is mass murder, they want riots, they want wrol, how can it be not be about that, and guess who will be the first to bite the bullets, the most vulnerable.

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778 neighbour of some guy
23rd September 2013, 18:59
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Haha FREE LUNCH in school is really not a benefit! Check out this savory delight I opened up last week---I work in the schools in my county

I believe its a Bologna Burrito? It went straight into the TRASH! I cant believe there giving children this...sad

WTF, that looks like a decomposing rehydrated squids @sshole or something similar mysteriously revolting!!

Yummy:(

AutumnW
23rd September 2013, 20:14
Giving something to able bodied people, with zero expectation they reciprocate in some small way, is the worst thing you can do to both the individual and big business. When govts engage in corporate welfare they are encouraging moral hazard. When govts dole out welfare too readily-- same thing. People should be helped, if they are unemployed. But...why not take those same populations, organize bus service to farming areas, during planting or harvest, and have them do even a few hours of work, if they can. Sweep streets, pick up garbage, visit the elderly housebound, look after people's pets who are working, etc...Part of the problem with govt induced sloth is it encourages obesity, not taking care of appearance, etc.. The able bodied start to give off social cues that they have a major problem and therefore actually do have a problem finding work, after a time.

People will complain if they are treated like children but then happily accept handouts without reciprocating in some even symbolic way. That is the essence of childhood--and many people and societies have been ruined in this way.

CD7
23rd September 2013, 20:17
WTF, that looks like a decomposing rehydrated squids @sshole or something similar mysteriously revolting!!

Yummy




I know right!! I was so appalled by it...And by the way people this food was paid for by me and also other children pay for this...its not only for FREE lunch

AutumnW
23rd September 2013, 20:20
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Haha FREE LUNCH in school is really not a benefit! Check out this savory delight I opened up last week---I work in the schools in my county

I believe its a Bologna Burrito? It went straight into the TRASH! I cant believe there giving children this...sad

WTF, that looks like a decomposing rehydrated squids @sshole or something similar mysteriously revolting!!

Yummy:(

Unfortunately, when kids are given healthy food, they often end up throwing it out. Catering to kid's preferences is highly problematic. So there are a number of negative contributing influences to a so-called helpful system

778 neighbour of some guy
23rd September 2013, 20:54
Catering to kid's preferences is highly problematic.

My mom used to say to me "gewoon eten wat de pot schaft" ( you eat whats on the table), meaning this is it sonny boy, you eat it or you don't, this isn't a hotel, so I did, and the food was in general reasonably healthy, greens or whatever color, rice or taters and some meat, yoghurt for desert, so when you don't have allergies for greens and salad, eat the friggin salad, catering to needs is not the same as catering to wants, when at all possible, learning how and what to eat starts at home, so imo........................schools should not give them a choice, school meals should be healthy, its not that much more expensive and they will kill a lot less kids slowly that way. So..........amazing your tax dollars are used to feed kids in their developing years crap, cant be all that great for the squid too btw, ending up in a sphincter burrito.

Eten wat de pot schaft!

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CD7
23rd September 2013, 21:00
Unfortunately, when kids are given healthy food, they often end up throwing it out. Catering to kid's preferences is highly problematic. So there are a number of negative contributing influences to a so-called helpful system



I agree it has not been a helpful system, more of a system for dependency on the most basic thing for survival.

If every community had its own farm and people helped to cultivate it, and the people were taught--conditioned to grow their own in their yards, and every space taken up by grass was all produce-----HOW DIFFERENT WOULD THT LOOK?


Like cells of a body taking care of its own.....as it is now ALL the cells on the body are dependent upon sustenance say like from a finger--and thts it! Not much health and happiness comes from a body that is not working in harmony

Conchis
24th September 2013, 09:56
Does anyone else get the idea that there are groups that actually want a violent conflict and are doing anything in the world they can to start it? I mean, this whole idea of crashing the economy (the end result of defaulting on US debt) or creating huge populations of starving people (folks WILL riot when they are starving to death). For the life of me I don't see the purpose, but the circumstantial evidence is so strong that it's impossible to ignore. Oh yeah, I forgot, let's take health care away as well. Just the kind of society that we all invision, a starving, unemployed mass of sick people with no way out. Amazing.

778 neighbour of some guy
24th September 2013, 10:23
Does anyone else get the idea that there are groups that actually want a violent conflict and are doing anything in the world they can to start it? I mean, this whole idea of crashing the economy (the end result of defaulting on US debt) or creating huge populations of starving people (folks WILL riot when they are starving to death). For the life of me I don't see the purpose, but the circumstantial evidence is so strong that it's impossible to ignore. Oh yeah, I forgot, let's take health care away as well. Just the kind of society that we all invision, a starving, unemployed mass of sick people with no way out. Amazing.

I share your thoughts, deliberately cutting of the food supply to the people will cause riots, the most vulnerable and unprepared will be the first to start rioting because they will be the ones first affected by it, they will also be used as an example when they crush them with batons, water cannon, riot control microwaves, gas and fast moving steel incased lead ( and god knows what else).

And then.............................................. .........................everybody's screwed, if you have prepared, you better pretend you haven't and get in line for soup and make sure you don't get fat by eating your preps all at once because your neighbor will kick in the door, his kids are hungry too.

Your local petting zoo will run out of animals in hours, the squirrels and rabbits in your parks will be dead in a week, and have I told you already you have mighty fine looking thighs for a white dude, pass the ketchup please.

Having the people kill each other is very efficient and cheap, you just have to make sure they keep at it and mop up when they are done.

I'd hate to be a pet:(

AutumnW
24th September 2013, 23:40
Does anyone else get the idea that there are groups that actually want a violent conflict and are doing anything in the world they can to start it? I mean, this whole idea of crashing the economy (the end result of defaulting on US debt) or creating huge populations of starving people (folks WILL riot when they are starving to death). For the life of me I don't see the purpose, but the circumstantial evidence is so strong that it's impossible to ignore. Oh yeah, I forgot, let's take health care away as well. Just the kind of society that we all invision, a starving, unemployed mass of sick people with no way out. Amazing.

You don't see the purpose because you don't have the same set of attitudes, emotional needs and thought patterns as a psychopathic criminal. Count yourself lucky. There is no purpose other than winning, duping delight, expressing contempt, having the most sex with the sexiest humans, and eating the best food. I think that's about as far as it goes in terms of a plan for most of these a**holes. Forgive my bluntness, but that is their essence. They don't care and they don't care that they don't care. If it's in their best interest to provide food stamps, they'll do that. If it's not, they won't. Think of the lowest, most craven s.o.b you can imagine and then multiply times ten all the horrid character traits--that's them.

Not a good idea to accept anything from them if there is any way it can be avoided.

Food stamps are a federal program, I think. The states will have to make up the shortfall. That ain't going to be pretty.

Ernie Nemeth
26th September 2013, 01:14
Sweet Jesus. I cannot let that go without comment.

How can anyone blame the poor?

Here in Ontario we had a run of years with a conservative government that went on a rampage over the deadbeat slobs on welfare and their greedy, needy ways. They slashed funding to the point where now most welfare recipients get $200 for the month. $200! And that bunch of NAZIS in power whipped up support for their cause amongst the rich and middle class. It was an orgy of self-righteous BS that almost everyone joined in on. It was very disturbing to watch the most vulnerable, those with no political clout and no financial wherewithall, being targeted by those with way more than they need. It was an outrageous legacy that we are still living with today.

The poor are not the problem, but they are an easy target.

Please remember that some of us have chosen to voluntarily live with much less, we are consciously poor.

And also, trying to nit pick or pigeon-hole the problem is not the answer. The financial system is a scam, that is a good place to start. They have stolen our heritage our wealth and converted into a means to deprive and control. We should all be very rich with not a care in the world but the GCs have pitted us against each other. Do not be decieved. It is not the poor who are at fault. It is you, and you, and you - and me.

Please keep focussed and stop picking people out of the group. We are all in this together. We are all both at fault and innocent of any wrong-doing. And when you pull out the sword of division, you first impale yourself with it. Sheath that sword, my friends. It can only derail our efforts.

AutumnW
28th September 2013, 19:52
Whiskey Mystic--I totally agree with you. Anyone needing help should receive it--and it does pale in comparison to corporate welfare. To give some context to my remarks about reciprocity--I just finished reading a book by a doctor who worked somewhere near London, England, in an area where a large part of the population was on govt support of some kind--and not working. It was horrifying. Day to day life, particularly for women and children was an ongoing nightmare of alcoholism, drug addicted multi-'daddies', and beatings. The men, always being on the receiving end, are emasculated by it. They have to feel big and important, in some way, and the most popular way is lording it over a woman.

In the U.S. and Canada, women with young children, babies automatically qualified for welfare. I don't know if it is still the same. As soon as the kids reach a certain age, the woman was required to start looking for work. Of course, this encouraged many of them to have one child after another. The child is often born into misery and not valued. They are a means to a financial end. If this practice isn't stopped, it should be. No child should be born to help finance the parent. If anything, people in this situation should be compensated for NOT having kids, if they have some kind of problem that keeps them out of the work force.

BTW, I was on disability before I got married. I have an impairment that effects my short term or working memory, in the extreme. Fortunately I found an understanding doctor and an infectious disease specialist who wrote long letters explaining my situation to the govt. However, the govt was in austerity mode,at the time, so I had to go to a tribunal and argue my case. I won.

Had things gone differently I would have HAD to have a baby and pass my weak genes along to another generation, (and perhaps my illness too,) in order to survive. That would have been the most morally repugnant situation I can imagine.

This is a complex issue with all sorts of moral implications and ethical issues that aren't readily apparent.