PDA

View Full Version : Does anyone have any details of an altered 'Napoleon timeline'?



jiminii
25th September 2013, 16:55
on another post someone said Napoleon timeline is changed and now he won the war. this would mean the rothchilds would not have gotten rich ... any details on this ... anyone know more ... It resonates with me

jim

sunflower
25th September 2013, 17:16
James Horak mentioned this in an interview (can't recall which one). And I didn't hear him giving any reference so it sounded like hearsay to me.

donk
25th September 2013, 17:53
Maia started a thread on it here... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63053-Race-With-Time-by-James-Horak-on-Wolf-Spirit-Radio&p=725913&viewfull=1#post725913)

ghostrider
25th September 2013, 18:31
on another post someone said Napoleon timeline is changed and now he won the war. this would mean the rothchilds would not have gotten rich ... any details on this ... anyone know more ... It resonates with me

jim

they changed the outcome of the battle at waterloo, on sept 9th the ptb went back to 1798 to change history ...

RMorgan
25th September 2013, 18:39
Hey folks,

Honestly, there are so many holes in this story...Just take five minutes and think about it.

Google "Rothschild". Nothing has changed. Rothschilds are still super-rich.

If you somehow believe that Google is involved in this ludicrous conspiracy, just go and get a history book. If someone had changed the past, it would, in theory, also change everything else after, including books.

This is one of the reasons I'm not frequently posting here anymore... You know, it doesn't hurt to use a bit of reason before posting.

You could even argue that if someone change the past, we wouldn't even notice it. Despite this being theoretically a valid discussion, it's still a very debatable subject and doesn't collaborate to give this story any more substance.

Raf.

Bob
25th September 2013, 18:47
Bonjour, je suis français eh, maintenant, Ce n'est pas vrai?

Oui ? Non?

;)

ghostrider
25th September 2013, 18:49
napoleon fought against a monarchy , after his pyramid experience , he made himself a monarchy, his general said he was different when he came out ... it scared him so bad , he ordered a cannon ball shot at the face of the sphinx and that how the nose got broke off ...

RMorgan
25th September 2013, 19:02
napoleon fought against a monarchy , after his pyramid experience , he made himself a monarchy, his general said he was different when he came out ... it scared him so bad , he ordered a cannon ball shot at the face of the sphinx and that how the nose got broke off ...

There's absolute no truth in this statement. There are several illustrations made long before Napoleon was born which show the Sphinx with the missing nose.

As an example, Frederick Lewis Norden, an artist and marine architect, sketched the Sphinx in 1737. His detailed drawings, published in 1755, were more realistic and showed the Sphinx with no nose. It is very unlikely that Norden would omit the nose if it was present. We can conclude that the nose was gone by 1737 at the latest; thus its removal can not be blamed on Napoleon's troops, who visited more than 50 years later.

http://sunilshinde.typepad.com/my_weblog/WindowsLiveWriter/A%20PROFILE%20OF%20THE%20COLOSSAL%20HEAD%20OF%20THE%20SHINX%20-%20Frederik%20Ludwig%20Norden.jpg

by Frederik Ludwig Norden (1708-1742) from the book Voyage d’Egypte et de Nubie

Raf.

blufire
25th September 2013, 19:14
Hey folks,

Honestly, there are so many holes in this story...Just take five minutes and think about it.

Google "Rothschild". Nothing has changed. Rothschilds are still super-rich.

If you somehow believe that Google is involved in this ludicrous conspiracy, just go and get a history book. If someone had changed the past, it would also change everything else after, including books.

This is one of the reasons I'm not frequently posting here anymore... You know, it doesn't hurt to use a bit of reason before posting.

You could even argue that if someone change the past, we wouldn't even notice it. Despite this being theoretically a valid discussion, it's still a very debatable subject and doesn't collaborate to give this story any more substance.

Raf.


. . . Amen . . Especially to your paragraph 4

donk
25th September 2013, 19:27
Now now kids...play nice, remember: time travel (like The Lord) works in mysterious ways....you start throwing in things like "reason" and "sense" and especially "evidence" and the whole thing starts getting a little silly.

Just because we didn't stop existing when the time travellers meddled with our timeline doesn't necessarily mean that Napoleon didn't shoot the sphinx in the face. The time meddlers coulda just fixed the evidence too.

pyriel
25th September 2013, 19:44
I would think going back and changing the 'napoleon" era would also change alot of the other events. Today there isnt a damn thing that has changed so history wasnt changed. I would think history would not allow for major changes to the extreme that would have happened.

Remember to take everything you hear/read with a pinch of salt.

Like RMorgan, reason i dont post here much anymore.. ppl just go with what they hear/read cause the author of said writing made it sound so damn good. What a joke. wake up ppl

donk
25th September 2013, 19:52
I would think history would not allow for major changes to the extreme that would have happened.

Remember to take everything you hear/read with a pinch of salt.

Like RMorgan, reason i dont post here much anymore.. ppl just go with what they hear/read cause the author of said writing made it sound so damn good. What a joke. wake up ppl

I know, right?? Like how crazy would it be if someone changed the major historical fact that Columbus discovered America in the year of our lord fourteen hundred and ninty-two. What a joke indeed!

Ps--not trying to be mean, just having fun...c'mon, anyone that doesn't believe in this type posting and taking it totally seriously is in a way giving it (Jim) power and affirmation...someone who "knows better" isn't going to be "fooled" or buy in, whilst a believer is not gonna say..."Ohhh, you're right, that doesn't make sense"

Raf pointed out using reason in posts, I found the statement that history is somehow fixed outrageous, as I feel most of it fiction...or at best one small, incomplete perspective. Posting about how "silly posts" make you not post is kinda silly to me as well...

And of course, taking ANYTHING too seriously is never good on your constitution, lighten up and have some fun--I thought the interview (and my witty comments on that thread) sure were...

Wind
25th September 2013, 20:05
There's actually an interesting theory (http://angelicview.wordpress.com/2013/09/12/what-was-the-sphinx/) about the Sphinx. It might have been Anubis, the guardian of the Necropolis, the guardian of the dead.

http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Anubis0011.jpg

blufire
25th September 2013, 20:07
*************

eric1
25th September 2013, 20:39
I did quite a bit of research with respect to the Montauk Project years back. Helped Peter Moon a little bit with respect to some research(nothing major on my part) and also read the Montauk Pulse quite a bit. One of the interesting pieces in that letter detailed how Napolean actually escaped for a brief time from his exile on Helena island and actually made his way to Long Island---near Montuak in fact(apparently some historical evidence to corroborate that as well). This info was known only to the ruling elites at the time reportedly and caused quite a stir. Eventually Napolean ended up going back to Helena supposedly where he eventually died(possibly poisoned).

Bill Ryan
25th September 2013, 20:46
it sounded like hearsay to me.

This is the problem.

By definition, it cannot be anything BUT hearsay. I mean: what could constitute proof? :)

I do think that parallel (or bifurcating) timelines are likely to be in some sense a metaphysical reality -- and also one which the black projects guys tinker with and create all kinds of serious problems with highly advanced technology that they barely understand (viz Montauk, etc). There's quite a lot of compelling circumstantial evidence that some black projects are heavily engaged in messing with time itself.

And, I also share some of Jim's perspectives and subjective perceptions.

But in practical terms, these phenomena are pretty much inaccessible and therefore only have a theoretical existence that does not affect us (or affects us, or some of us, only in highly exceptional and peculiar circumstances).

For Raf, blufire, et al, I've asked Jim several times publicly and privately not to hold such great store by material he casually picks up on the internet, and better to stick to his own personal truths (and to express them clearly as his own) -- not confusing reality with hearsay, rumor, false or invented stories.

The internet as a whole is NOT a reliable source of information. (And with great respect, neither is James Horak, all the time.)

I respect Jiminii and wish him nothing but the best, but he's not very skilled or experienced at sifting fact from fiction on the internet, and should NOT drag this stuff onto the forum without it going through a very rigorous filter. And, as I've also said, there are a LOT of good people here who can assist in that process.

Most of the forum content consists of highly intelligent and well-informed discussion -- sometimes truly exceptionally so. One should not judge the value of this huge, ongoing online conference-cum-library by occasional references to Ison being a spaceship or the earth already having experienced a pole shift which no-one noticed and is being covered up! 98% of the threads are far more useful than that, and only a handful of members are (in their enthusiasm) getting things badly confused.

It's all about learning and growth, and no-one here is exempt.

:)

donk
25th September 2013, 20:46
I'm kinda leaning toward hoping to having posts removed from a thread about an interview based on the story that time traveling illuminati went back to the French Revolution on 9/9/13 and changed the outcome of Waterloo thus rendering us and nearly everyone we know non-existent...except I get a kick out of it.

But I'm supportive, I love Horak and the idea of anyone with good intentions and special ability to do their thing and fix timelines or whatever it is they're trying to do. Discernment and all that....you can point out an idea's not reasonable without sounding like you got sand in your...I'm just going to stop right here...see y'all in a safer thread!


Added: oops! Hi Bill!! Hope you don't mind some of us having (good natured and even better intended) fun with it...feel free to remove any my nonsense you find is cluttering up the place--I have nothing but love & respect for it and trust your judgment...it would never hurt my feelings to have my blathering a removed...thanks for what you do! In all seriousness, phil

ThePythonicCow
25th September 2013, 20:56
There are 3 maybe 4 of us on this thread that are running a risk of being called trolls and having our posts removed because they are not supportive and are negative. . . . Of course if we were cute 18 year old philipino girls we would be good to go . . . .

wtf :) ?

The point of your post, whatever it was, has, for me, gotten lost in what is I presume either tongue in cheek or sarcastic wording.

Bill Ryan
25th September 2013, 21:01
There are 3 maybe 4 of us on this thread that are running a risk of being called trolls and having our posts removed because they are not supportive and are negative. . . . Of course if we were cute 18 year old philipino girls we would be good to go . . . .

wtf :) ?

The point of your post, whatever it was, has, for me, gotten lost in what is I presume either tongue in cheek or sarcastic wording.

Blufire was having an underhand dig at Jim (ad hominem!), and was assuming that a post that was critical of the thread's premise would be dismissed as 'trolling'.

If that was the case, I should then also delete my own critical post (#16 above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63740-Does-anyone-have-any-details-of-an-altered-Napoleon-timeline&p=735088&viewfull=1#post735088)), and give myself a three-day vacation to cool off.

:)

Blufire is right (IMO) to be critical, but not to throw unpleasant mud at Jim in that way. Of course, reading this, she might care to edit her post....!

Delight
25th September 2013, 23:01
I absolutely accept that timelines may be altered. But the laugh out loud funny part is IF you are on a different timeline, every backstory would paint the timeline as it exists NOW. There is no point to the question because if Jim is on the earth, all he needs to do is google and get the update of a refreshed timeline history.

Jiminii after several posts, I have observed you want to be heard and heeded. But I don't trust your maturity. Naive is an innocent open-ness that may seem foolish. It is needed to be open and it can be a place of strength. I think naive is wonderful if the naive one realizes the characteristic and never pretends to be someone who can "lead".

You seem half baked. It is as if you are reading to me from a dictionary that you have not absorbed. You seem undiscerning? I expect someone trying to tell me something to stand in advance of my own understanding. I trust there is "truth" and I like hearing people reiterate the truth. The people who ask me to pay attention have to show something I call "Integrity" and sound mind before I can hear.

There have been several people whom I just cannot hear because they have a terrible track record and scare people like Horak and Hoagland (and all like them). Others as examples of alternative "teachers healers and commentators" have so little to say that they seem like they memorized a rehearsed spiel and cannot converse on a new area. Eric Perle, Dolores Cannon repeat the same things over and over. I do not hear Steven Greer because he is repetitive and also brags and makes claims (like with the Atacama mummy...why state it is alien?).

Reputation counts too as reports from friends can reveal something. Bob Dobbs financially cheated my friend years ago and claimed at that time being many years older than he was shown to be.

I dislike tale tellers predicting social and political disasters (that never happen) and I stopped listening to all that...... knowing none of that will happen. None of the woe givers ever pan out. There is a reason for that.

The future is formed form intention and is created by intention in the now. Statistics and models are the past. Prophecy is a view of a present state of energy and we change whatever we know about just by observing.

Some times I am prejudiced by the weight of ethical slips reported. No, a hypocrite will make me deaf. That is why LRH leaves me deaf. That is why I will never join an egregore. We are beholden to the energy of the origin of all thought forms when we embrace them. Too many cults have deliberate liars in charge.

Yes, most broadcasters of 'knowledge" just suck (pull energy as in Taking My Attention) to me. I then often see the inconsistencies, lack of effective change from their ongoing offerings and the proclamations made that often "expire" or shift based on their claims never panning out.

Other people bring things out and disappear off the radar screen. Who follows up?
My biggest problem with the alterative youtube culture is the way people are not deeply questioned. I would be surprised if the "tinkling brass" type of informant would even allow tough investigation anyway! Certain interviewers are dismally unprepared and ask weak questions or worse impose an opinion. Alex Jones is one least favorite as a Biased Source ego. I feel something upsetting and think this is "fear porn" and turn off.

How many updates do we need? I think we need a way to have information updated ongoingly and without cease. We should not be so shallow as an audience and demand more plus subscribe if happy. Henrik Palmgen stands out positively to me on Redice. He has my subscription.

Back to the OP. I am frustrated by one more thing. How many years do we still focus on BIG stories and not principles?

ulli
25th September 2013, 23:40
Delight's post made me think, and also realize several things, mainly about the importance of maintaining a naive and confident state if we want to connect to the unseen worlds. Although I see her point, as I've had many experiences in my own life which made me become more skeptical and lose my naïveté.

Naivete is often annoying to others, and brings out all kinds of suspicions about the person, especially as we are mostly Westerners here, and highly rational. but Avalonians are people who are also curious about the stuff hidden behind the veil...
and researching, based on hunches, fleeting experiences, hearsay that might confirm vaguely our experiences...
We are all pretty much groping in the dark here.

And still we all share this particular western type of programming and most have been highly trained in the art of discernment.
We operate mainly from our minds, which collect information, analyze such information, then judge it in terms of consensus expectations, and finally discard whatever does not fit such expectations. The factor that the information at hand could be deliberately misleading is of course the main reason for this...
ruthless commerce has driven us to such a state of suspicion.
As we have all become aware that everything that is offered to us comes on a silver platter. Such the nature of western presentation, advertising, merchandizing....the game of deception.

All this is quite different from the tall stories children tell who still may have some connection to other dimensions since their programming is not complete. Jim himself has declared that he needs such a state in order to operate at an optimum level to manifest his reality. And this is where I agree with him. We can't do it from our left-brained discerning minds. We need that other perspective of the right-brained irrationality as well. The real art here is in finding the mid-point....science and spirituality blended.

To defend Jim a little..since I feel that he is connected somehow to those dimensions like a child that never grew up, never had that innocent naïveté beaten out of him...he somehow reminds me of Michael Jackson who I consider was unfairly treated, who had incredible gifts and ended up adored by one group of people while misunderstood and even feared by another group.

Debra
26th September 2013, 00:06
Well written Ulli.

I have been -on the main - a quiet reader these last few months. I don't fare too well in the cut and thrust of conversation on here - and it has something to do with knowing that my interests and curiosities don't fit into the mainstream of the forum - indeed because I will open a post with sources (like Horak) who have piqued my interest in something and, who some on here have no faith in whatsoever. And yes, the language used to challenge a member's post and ideas can sometimes translate as quite harsh and derisory.

I may follow some contentious leads but I am open to what is out there in all of its manifestations - some people on Avalon resonate with these, some don't.

But, it is the explorer in myself I wish to encourage so, on that note, I send you, Jim, my heart felt best wishes to go where your intuition suggests. You are the one resonating with this information and that is enough. Follow it through for yourself.

If it was me, I would seek out James Horak personally because he is the only one I have heard this claim from. If you are on Facebook, look him up;)

Salut to all

Debra

Delight
26th September 2013, 00:19
Delight's post made me think, and also realize several things, mainly about the importance of maintaining a naive and confident state if we want to connect to the unseen worlds. Although I see her point, as I've had many experiences in my own life which made me become more skeptical and lose my naïveté.

Naivete is often annoying to others, and brings out all kinds of suspicions about the person, especially as we are mostly Westerners here, and highly rational. but Avalonians are people who are also curious about the stuff hidden behind the veil...
and researching, based on hunches, fleeting experiences, hearsay that might confirm vaguely our experiences...
We are all pretty much groping in the dark here.

And still we all share this particular western type of programming and most have been highly trained in the art of discernment.
We operate mainly from our minds, which collect information, analyze such information, then judge it in terms of consensus expectations, and finally discard whatever does not fit such expectations. The factor that the information at hand could be deliberately misleading is of course the main reason for this...
ruthless commerce has driven us to such a state of suspicion.
As we have all become aware that everything that is offered to us comes on a silver platter. Such the nature of western presentation, advertising, merchandizing....the game of deception.

All this is quite different from the tall stories children tell who still may have some connection to other dimensions since their programming is not complete. Jim himself has declared that he needs such a state in order to operate at an optimum level to manifest his reality. And this is where I agree with him. We can't do it from our left-brained discerning minds. We need that other perspective of the right-brained irrationality as well. The real art here is in finding the mid-point....science and spirituality blended.

To defend Jim a little..since I feel that he is connected somehow to those dimensions like a child that never grew up, never had that innocent naïveté beaten out of him...he somehow reminds me of Michael Jackson who I consider was unfairly treated, who had incredible gifts and ended up adored by one group of people while misunderstood and even feared by another group.

I believe that I am capable of traveling to the past of a timeline, shift into a different dimension or parallel universe, change time lines, change my body at will, morph to any shape I choose, manifest reality as a separate relaity bubble in the collective. i believe that I am every magical bit of Creation capable of expressing any aspect NOW. That makes me naive along with the fact that I prefer imagination over reality. You can listen amd take it and or leave it. I am naive and I make no claims.

BUT

IF I placed threads and claimed that a shaman took me aside and said "Maggie, you are a special 12th dimension being come to 3D to change the future" and I then imagined that while I was driving down the road, the trees all bowed to me and every bird sang to me about my mission, THEN asked YOU to follow me and gave a few lines from Sufi wisdom and some practices and told you to do these. Then said "Please join me in doing blah blah"< I am asking to lead you in speculative ficttion.

You have never seen me do any one of these things I believe in. You never asked me to show why you should follow me. Then I ask your advice about getting a boyfriend. I ask what job I should take and what town I should live in. Then i expect YOU to overlook my basic lack of skills demonstrated at my advanced age of 58.
But you believe me?
I am naive and you are a fool.

ponda
26th September 2013, 01:36
on another post someone said Napoleon timeline is changed and now he won the war. this would mean the rothchilds would not have gotten rich ... any details on this ... anyone know more ... It resonates with me

jim


Hi jim,

It might of been the other way round.

As we can now see with the benefit of hindsight,the battle of Waterloo might of been a pivotal or important event from the past that would have big ramifications for the shaping of the future/present.

The financial matrix as we now know it has been strongly influenced by the rothchild's having been able to benefit from having the knowledge of who won at Waterloo before anyone else.

Here's a quote that is purported to come from Napoleon:


"When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes... Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain." — Napoleon Bonaparte
http://www.mindcontagion.org/banking/hb1815.html

Rocky_Shorz
26th September 2013, 02:12
pretty heavy for one called DeLight...

The research Horak was passed from his mentor on the sun's maintenance crew is pretty amazing, but I've never read more than a sentence from James on all his other subjects before fading out and finding a new subject worth exploring.

I still read Fulford with humor, it's like every Christmas waiting for the big guy in red to appear...

love to see it happen, but not holding my breath... :pound:

mosquito
26th September 2013, 02:16
Hey folks,

Honestly, there are so many holes in this story...Just take five minutes and think about it.

Google "Rothschild". Nothing has changed. Rothschilds are still super-rich.

If you somehow believe that Google is involved in this ludicrous conspiracy, just go and get a history book. If someone had changed the past, it would also change everything else after, including books.

This is one of the reasons I'm not frequently posting here anymore... You know, it doesn't hurt to use a bit of reason before posting.

You could even argue that if someone change the past, we wouldn't even notice it. Despite this being theoretically a valid discussion, it's still a very debatable subject and doesn't collaborate to give this story any more substance.

Raf.


. . . Amen . . Especially to your paragraph 4

Nice to see that there are two members capable of intelligent thought left on this forum

grannyfranny100
26th September 2013, 03:41
We speak of right brain, left brain and the popular theory is
• left brain: rational, logical, analytical, detail oriented
• right brain: creative, intuitive, subjective, open minded (naive as used in other posts?)

Recent brain imaging research at the University of Utah indicate that this theory is at best a short hand for brain functions not limited to specific hemispheres of the brain.

This thread reminds me of graduate school arguments that go on and on about qualitative (right brain) and quantitative (left brain) research methodology. We could add up and down as another set of dimensions. Down being the hidden unconscious/subconscious and up being the controlling ego/super ego.

I just remember being in a new style physics high school class after sputnik went up (everyone with half a brain in my school was suddenly expected to become a space scientist). We had to do water tank experiments to determine if light was a particle or wave. I could care less and dumped a dime store goldfish in my tank to avoid the whole damn thing.

My best buddy, the class genius, was accept at Harvard with sophomore standing as a physics major. We laughed and giggled a lot as we tripped out on each other's minds. We all process information differently and jimi might be better off expressing himself with a goldfish in the tank.

Bill Ryan
26th September 2013, 04:56
-------

Jim, I just posted this on the thread about James Horak's interview:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63053-Race-With-Time-by-James-Horak-on-Wolf-Spirit-Radio&p=735253&viewfull=1#post735253






HOAX. The chip-in-Napoleon's-head story comes from Weekly World News. :)

http://weeklyworldnews.com/aliens/15207/alien-chip-in-napoleons-skull

Soulboy
26th September 2013, 11:42
The most interesting thing that's come out of this thread is the old drawing of the Sphinx in which it looks a lot more Nubian (i.e. black) than it does today or looks on most depictions I've seen so far.

RMorgan
26th September 2013, 12:54
-------

Jim, I just posted this on the thread about James Horak's interview:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63053-Race-With-Time-by-James-Horak-on-Wolf-Spirit-Radio&p=735253&viewfull=1#post735253






HOAX. The chip-in-Napoleon's-head story comes from Weekly World News. :)

http://weeklyworldnews.com/aliens/15207/alien-chip-in-napoleons-skull

Hey Bill,

Thanks for pointing out that hoax...It was kinda obvious anyway, right?

What really bothers me is that some guy appears on an "alternative" show and says that there was a microchip in Napoleon's skull, and that someone from the future implanted it and messed up with our timelines and stuff like that, without showing any evidence, by the way...And suddenly people are buying it!

You know...This is really a problem, my friend. The "alternative" scene has gone to a beyond ridiculous place...It's just one crazy story after the other, and they are always proven wrong time after time, over and over and over again...But people still believe it.

For how long forums like this one will continue to be part of this cycle? I mean, if you analyze the mechanics of this forum, it's just about posting something very illogical or a prediction>proving it doesn't make any sense, or that it's a hoax, or the prediction is never fulfilled>posting something very illogical or a prediction>proving it doesn't make any sense, or that it's a hoax, or the prediction is never fulfilled> and so on...Over and over again, for all eternity....

This whole thing doesn't make sense at all...When will people realize that things don't work like that? Being open minded doesn't mean you have to waste your time pondering about all the most nonsensical claims out there...

I think this forum is a great place to ask for advice and to share personal experiences, but it simply doesn't work as a source of information...When was the last time any of these theories and characters discussed here were right, after all? To make things worse, people are always bringing back old subjects that have already being solidly refuted a hundred times before...

You know, my friend, there must be a way to make this place more efficient, to fix this engine...I don't know how, but there must be.

Sorry for the rant, anyway...I just think this whole thing is very wearing.

Cheers,

Raf.

The Royal Wizard
26th September 2013, 13:34
I just wonder......without taking stand to the claim about Napoleon, if the timeline has changed, how would we know? We can't just remember back compare it with the now and say all is well due to our own memory? If someone traveled back and changed the timeline, our "new" past will be changed and then be our reality in the now. So maybe the timeline is changed, and thats the reason why things are as they are at the present, and we wouldn't know the "other" timeline at all. Everything will change including our history books and of course google. In many movie that deals with timelines and time travel the travelers needs to leave a marker to "remember". The movie "Sound of Thunder" is pretty specific about this. It it therefore possible, but not necessarily true, that someone travelled back a few weeks ago, changed the outcome of Napoleon, and planted the chip as a marker. The reality may have changed to the one we know today, and we wouldn't even know it, except for a curious feeling that something wasn't just as it should be. And many of us have that feeling, don't we?

I see that my language here is not the best, hope you understand what I mean.

all the best

TRW

ulli
26th September 2013, 13:36
@ Raf. Discovering that you don't have the power to change an entire forum,
let alone a planet, might be why you are here. Maybe you are getting close....
Watch out that you don't let that skeptic inside of you become so crystallized
that you will have regrets about your own conduct in life when it ends.

Is there any aspect in human society that is not the result of urban myths?
Or the search for 'reality' with the use of telescopes....
after hundreds of years of endless improvements have we found "Reality"?

Now, here is my rant, against those who think they are more 'realistic' than others:

So what do we really know about those stellar objects at their most detailed levels?
And their relevance to life on earth?

Astronomers are becoming so engrossed in those tiny dots that they can never contemplate the idea of studying other sciences, or at least correlations of their discoveries with other events,
for example that those dots when forming mathematically precise angles might be connected to events down here.
Instead they condemn what they don't know about, and make themselves feel good and superior by calling astrology pseudo-science?

Equally the imagery or pictures that come to us in dreams and visions are all to be dismissed,
just because they are not being presented in the right scientific manner?

I try to keep an open mind to both ends. I become uncomfortable with all extremes...
except I'm not yet sure where that line is to be found, where something becomes an 'extreme'.
This is why I consider it important to watch our own excessive certainties, hostilities, antipathies...

So what is the worst Jim can do to us?
For people who are interested in consciousness and the effect of consciousness on the environment Jim is a goldmine...
And he is not even charging for the gold he is offering.

ulli
26th September 2013, 13:42
One more thing....maybe a suggestion for homework. As a person gets closer to their true reality,
they will read a thread like this, and if they deeply care about Napoleon he will suddenly pop up all over the place...
A book, or magazine, or they enter a house where someone has a picture on the wall of Napoleon Bonaparte...
And with enough synchronicities of this kind they might just discover that they have entered another world, one that is more real than the world of the skeptics out there.

araucaria
26th September 2013, 13:56
Rewriting history is known pejoratively as revisionism. Denying that the death camps ever existed can get you into trouble. Why? Chiefly, I feel, because of the unfinished business of so many people. Our conversation at lunch just now was about a student who walked out of a lecture when the prof denied the Armenian genocide; she herself was Armenian and had lost her whole family.

On a personal level, a catastrophe suffered early in life may be gradually attenuated to the point where its reality is almost in doubt as the grieving process reaches complete closure. The loss happened and nothing else happened to take its place, but it is no longer relevant to the here and now. No rewriting of history is necessary.

Transposing this personal insight to the collective, it may be that one day the contents of our history books – mostly to do with kings and colonization, as we were also saying just now – can be entirely jettisoned. There comes a time when the duty of remembrance, whether it be killers or loved ones, gives way to healthy neglect. We will be able to forget the Napoleonic Rothschilds once the 21st century Rothschilds are rendered harmless. It could be that this is what is being done right now.

RMorgan
26th September 2013, 13:56
Hey Ulli,

Well, I think labeling myself as a skeptic is quite fair, but please let's not confuse a skeptic with a cynic.

The general definition of skeptic is:

-A person who questions the validity, authenticity, or truth of something purporting to be factual.
-One who instinctively or habitually doubts, questions, or disagrees with assertions or generally accepted conclusions.

I'm a guy who question things, which doesn't mean I'm close minded or unable to examine all sort of subjects.

So maybe the cynic's world is indeed too small, but the skeptic's world is as big as it can be, specially considering that being a skeptic is much more demanding than simply believing without questioning.

Being skeptic makes one look for answers. It motivates one to learn, to study, to live a life of knowledge.

Now, being open minded is one thing; Believing that Jim can manipulate hurricanes and have multiple other bodies in this planet, some living in submarine bases, by the way, without ever seeing one single piece of evidence, or believing that someone from the future went back in time and microchiped Napoleon's skull, or believing in all outlandish claims that are posted here daily is, in my opinion, plain and simple gullibility and the absolute inability to use critical thinking.

Cheers,

Raf.

RunningDeer
26th September 2013, 14:26
One more thing....maybe a suggestion for homework. As a person gets closer to their true reality,
they will read a thread like this, and if they deeply care about Napoleon he will suddenly pop up all over the place...
A book, or magazine, or they enter a house where someone has a picture on the wall of Napoleon Bonaparte...
And with enough synchronicities of this kind they might just discover that they have entered another world, one that is more real than the world of the skeptics out there.
Yes! This is how it happens with me. One of the recent examples was an ah-ha moment when I was younger and asked for further “yup(s)”. Over the course of three days, I got four confirmations.


Day one, a praying mantis peeks through my screen door. (see desktop pic, I made of it as a reminder)
Day two, one fluttered around me and landed on a shopping cart, which was out of her element.
Then on day three, you provided a link to your son’s art (http://www.somefield.com). (see pic below)
The same day, the exact moment I was thinking about the mantis that flew into my life, a talk show guest brought up the praying mantis.

It works that way for me because I know it does, and so does the Universe.

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/praying_mantis_zps6d4990fd.jpg

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/praying_mantis2_zps162c239c.jpg
:wave:

ulli
26th September 2013, 14:57
One more thing....maybe a suggestion for homework. As a person gets closer to their true reality,
they will read a thread like this, and if they deeply care about Napoleon he will suddenly pop up all over the place...
A book, or magazine, or they enter a house where someone has a picture on the wall of Napoleon Bonaparte...
And with enough synchronicities of this kind they might just discover that they have entered another world, one that is more real than the world of the skeptics out there.
Yes! This is how it happens with me. One of the recent examples was an ah-ha moment when I was younger and asked for further “yup(s)”. Over the course of three days, I got four confirmations.


Day one, a praying mantis peeks through my screen door. (see desktop I made of it)
Day two, one fluttered around me and landed on a shopping cart, which was out of her element.
Then on day three, you provided a link to your son’s art (http://www.somefield.com). (see pic below)
The same day, the exact moment I was thinking about the mantis that flew into my life, a talk show guest brought up the praying mantis.

It works that way for me because I know it does, and so does the Universe.

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/praying_mantis_zps6d4990fd.jpg

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/praying_mantis2_zps162c239c.jpg
:wave:

Thank you Paula.
What amazes me is that people can be experiencing the most unlikely sequences of coincidences,
well beyond the realm of probabilities, and still not allow themselves to acknowledge them, or allow themselves to be just a little bit amazed.

Because it is exactly the very state of amazement or wonderment
which is then the ticket needed to remain in that reality.

It is the emotional requirement. But it is also this investment that people are afraid of making,
and this fear then blocks them from entering deeper into the unknown territory
where war and suffering and ignorance and scarcity are no longer a part of reality.

Attachment to negativity is their reality, and not only do they wish to remain there
but also wish for others to join them there, and so they seem to wait for opportunities
to lash out at those who believe in hope of bringing them back to the lower levels.

Those who know of nothing else can be forgiven, but those who have glimpsed higher states of consciousness
yet insist of remaining in darkness and ignorance afterwards...they can keep it, and stay there.

Cristian
26th September 2013, 15:24
You know, my friend, there must be a way to make this place more efficient, to fix this engine...I don't know how, but there must be.


Hey Raf,

I always thought you would make a very good mod. Maybe debunking and guiding is what you are blessed/cursed to do. There are lots of gifted and talented users that lack a foundation in logic and science. This is your thing :p ! So stop whining and get to work :p !

donk
26th September 2013, 15:53
Man, we're all over the place here now--this thread is as convoluted as the ones I start (that's an Avalon rule of thumb btw--my threads--and a majority of my posts--are for entertainment purposes only and contain nothing of intellectual value, so should be dismissed outright and never believed)...anyway I came here to discuss how we will stop the time travelers from making us not exist (as of two weeks ago), after all--even if Napoleon's chip was stopped from wrecking the sphinxface,'it still doesn't explain how i can remember listening to that interview...

:focus::focus::focus::focus:

Seriously: "creating your own reality" is one thing, convincing others to share an "alternative" reality is another, but for the life of me I can't wrap my brain around the purpose of someone matter-of-factly authoratively sharing a reality that on "x" date you and everything you know will no longer exist...the only possible outcome is "best" case you completely discredit yourself and everything you've ever done--"worst" case is you're right...but no one will ever know cuz we never existed...bizarre, did anyone actually LISTEN to what he said?

Besides him actually believing it (or seeing how many people he can convince), can you think of purpose for him saying it??

I'll tell you my purpose of pointing Jim in the right direction for the info was cuz i was curious as hell as to what he intended to do with it (not that I can understand most of what he says...but I do try, sometimes), and also the views of other people who still believe in Horak.

There seems to be a ton of people around that believe he (Jim/Horak),or someone can actually do stuff about it or with it even...so I find value in getting that perspective, as it is whole other universe to me--and I believe in most everything (and nothing, really).

There's discerning information and picking out the things where "they don't have it right" or "they are fudging pics/stories" and then there's trying to discern information from a dude just laying out that on 9/9 when the time terrorists win we will have never existed...I'm reminded of the discussion in Pulp Fiction on foot massages, "it ain't the same f***in ball park, it ain't the same league, it ain't even the same f***ing sport...

I like listening to the guy, but ever since that interview he's more of a character to me in a fun story than a person I can relate my experience to or find useful information...which is why I made a point to bring it up when a thread started on his view of the geo-political/economic situation...

RunningDeer
26th September 2013, 16:20
Those who know of nothing else can be forgiven, but those who have glimpsed higher states of consciousness yet insist of remaining in darkness and ignorance afterwards...they can keep it, and stay there.

Yeah, what’s that about? Fear of failure, fear of the unknown, laziness, overwhelmed with what if I can’t keep up this intensity?, overwhelmed.. period, power of the lesser kind is good enough, misery loves company... Stay in comfort of what’s known. Screw the gold ring. “I got a whole lotta ‘these here other shiny things’. Not enough energy to move with the Greater. Not enough energy to move. Period.

One way to sum it up is: unwillingness to unlearn.

Bright side: they make good mirrors for those peeking through the nonsense. I’m almost ready to thank them, cuz they serves duality, so we can bust out of it.

In the end, we’ll all meet up at the Universe’s Pizza Party. Still waiting for my invitation. Guess, I got more to do.

:wave:

Sebastion
26th September 2013, 16:27
Ulli said:
So what is the worst Jim can do to us?
For people who are interested in consciousness and the effect of consciousness on the environment Jim is a goldmine...
And he is not even charging for the gold he is offering.


Jiminii says he had control of a hurricane going up the east coast of the USA...

He says no one was killed in that hurricane....yet he never mentioned the hundreds, if not thousands of people who were injured in that storm, doesn't mention how many went to trauma centers, emergency rooms or were hospitalized as a result of "his" controlled hurricane.

Jiminii never mentioned how many animals and other lifeforms that were killed as a result of "his" controlled hurricane...

Jiminii's controlled hurricane ripped people's lives apart, destroyed homes, private businesses, destroyed things that took a person's entire life to build, all gone in a manner of minutes.

Jiminii said he could have sent that hurricane out to sea, but shucks, he never thought about it, gee whiz!

He has never once shown any empathy towards the people who's lives he wrecked while he controlled (supposedly) that hurricane. And that's just one example of the "gold" Jiminii has to offer.

ulli
26th September 2013, 16:55
Ulli said:
So what is the worst Jim can do to us?
For people who are interested in consciousness and the effect of consciousness on the environment Jim is a goldmine...
And he is not even charging for the gold he is offering.


Jiminii says he had control of a hurricane going up the east coast of the USA...

He says no one was killed in that hurricane....yet he never mentioned the hundreds, if not thousands of people who were injured in that storm, doesn't mention how many went to trauma centers, emergency rooms or were hospitalized as a result of "his" controlled hurricane.

Jiminii never mentioned how many animals and other lifeforms that were killed as a result of "his" controlled hurricane...

Jiminii's controlled hurricane ripped people's lives apart, destroyed homes, private businesses, destroyed things that took a person's entire life to build, all gone in a manner of minutes.

Jiminii said he could have sent that hurricane out to sea, but shucks, he never thought about it, gee whiz!

He has never once shown any empathy towards the people who's lives he wrecked while he controlled (supposedly) that hurricane. And that's just one example of the "gold" Jiminii has to offer.

So you bought into what Jim said, lock, stock and barrel?
So you judge him for his lack of humility?
I don't believe for one moment that he was responsible (by himself) for that hurricane...
although some people have greater powers than others,
no one can do something that size all by themselves.
So he maybe a tad delusional, so what? Not my problem.
My problem is being trapped here in this body, on this planet, and finding a way out.
As Gurdjieff said...even if one had to ride on the devil's back.

Is it my job to point out all of the errors in his thinking, or your thinking, for that matter?
No way, just as I wouldn't take it upon myself to make the demand
that he ought to apologize for every bit of damage he might have inadvertently done.
Each must do their own soul searching.

Nor would it occur to me to condemn those who have a problem with him,
except I might point out to them that those issues they have could throw some light
on the relationship they have with themselves. Which is ultimately the only relationship that ought to matter.

Trying to criticize Jim is like throwing water on a duck's back.


Sure, there was a time in my life when I would become furious
if others did something that I felt was wrong. So what could I do about it? Zero!
My annoyance was futile, every time.
It would have damaged my liver, long before it changed anything in them.
I was I and they were they.

Just as it might infuriate you to receive an answer
which shows I'm not as morally outraged as you are, or as I ought to be, in your eyes?
What are you going to do about that?

My position is one of detachment as I have learnt one thing above all others...
I can't speak on behalf of others as I don't have their full back story, nor can I judge them,
but I can help them to become more aware of their own blinkers,
and they would never listen if I did it in a judgmental way.

Delight
26th September 2013, 17:13
Those who know of nothing else can be forgiven, but those who have glimpsed higher states of consciousness yet insist of remaining in darkness and ignorance afterwards...they can keep it, and stay there.

Yeah, what’s that about? Fear of failure, fear of the unknown, laziness, overwhelmed with what if I can’t keep up this intensity?, overwhelmed.. period, power of the lesser kind is good enough, misery loves company... Stay in comfort of what’s known. Screw the gold ring. “I got a whole lotta ‘these here other shiny things’. Not enough energy to move with the Greater. Not enough energy to move. Period.

One way to sum it up is: unwillingness to unlearn.

Bright side: they make good mirrors for those peeking through the nonsense. I’m almost ready to thank them, cuz they serves duality, so we can bust out of it.

In the end, we’ll all meet up at the Universe’s Pizza Party. Still waiting for my invitation. Guess, I got more to do.

:wave:

I really liked your synchrnicities of the Praying Mantis.

Is it possible that we are already in the Universal Pizza party. There are myriads of toppings. But pizzas all are pies by definition.

I think this is so pertinent because we can't stop thinking we need a special invitation to the event. And we worry how to get a slice of the pie. Do we desrve one?

Submerged doubt in our own ability and the alligning out with Biased sources is my issue for me. I want to state the case for myself so the Universe knows what is asked to receive.

Do you know your own desires?
Is it frightening to have inner inklings that no one has verified as being a "true one"?

Can you let yourself relax and smell the baking and if it smells good to you? Is the parlour clean enough for you? All your friends are here. Can you leave the place anyway if the vibes are not on for you? Can you state how you really feel about everything presented.

These are the tools of a skeptic. Feeling it out is not linear logic. it is whole brain.

Bak to the pies.
What preference of toppings on a pizza today do you choose? Will you request these toppings?
Will you eat anchovies that you hate because you are "less than competent to judge" compared to your neighbor who knows more than you?
Will you pretend to like anchovies so you will curry favor and be appreciated by the wiser person?

How soon to you dig in and eat?
will you look carefully at the round pie, the deep dish square one, the skinny crust, the square high rise one and ask what ingredients are in the doughs before tasting?
Will you be afraid that it has GMO but think you will starve without THIS slice so eat it with a stomach ache?

I have no problem with anyone's choices and I thoroughly disagree with asking you to make do with what I would choose. That is domination and control.

We ideally make our choices consciously and enjoy our own experience or send back the pizza and get a different one and CHANGE. I believe in this right for all of us!

Sebastion
26th September 2013, 17:19
Ulli said:
So he maybe a tad delusional...

By golly, we have a bingo Ulli!! You and I are actually in agreement here!! I am gonna mark this day on my calender!

Sorry for the digression, back to the topic at hand....

ulli
26th September 2013, 17:26
Ulli said:
So he maybe a tad delusional...

By golly, we have a bingo Ulli!! You and I are actually in agreement here!! I am gonna mark this day on my calender!

Sorry for the digression, back to the topic at hand....

I like agreement, pity I'm not into Bingo.

RunningDeer
26th September 2013, 17:48
There are levels of experiencing when I listen to James Horak. I get more out of what he offers than not, and look forward to his conversations.

Once in a while, his expanded perspectives clarify personal experience and gut knowing. A phrase that may have nothing to do with what he’s discussing triggers an “ah-ha”. Maybe it’s because his ideas are so out there that it stretches me to where there’s recall or understanding. Like always, it’s goes through the synchrony test. Information finds its way to me.

I research a lot. New information is busting out all over the place, and so are the clever wordsmiths. There’s a voice that says you don’t need to know all this crap. It’s a trick. A waste of valuable time and energy.

I respect the skeptics like Raf. :wave:

And often I feel the same way. Too, they remind me to ground. Really, there’s a bigger skeptic inside me than not. And a maturing part of me that says I want more of the natural abilities. Like most of my discoveries, I know those are real, but I don’t know how to fine tune them, as yet. That’s where my frustration runs. I get physical sensations, small manifestations, oodles of synchronicities, but no concrete evidence to offer Avalonians.


Life is change. Good thing, cuz it’s way past the sell-by-date.

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Animals/chick_zps01ca88fd.JPG

:offtopic:

skippy
26th September 2013, 17:53
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/90/RWS_Tarot_00_Fool.jpg/220px-RWS_Tarot_00_Fool.jpg

On the Tarot card representing the Fool, you see someone apparently just about to step into the abyss. This would be disastrous for anyone else, but not for the Fool. For the Fool, all magnificent journeys begin with a leap into the unknown. BTW, don’t be fooled by his name – The Fool is an enlightened being, understanding the inner working of the entire cosmos. The Fool moves forward in absolute trust, knowing that everything will work out for his highest good.

The Fool represents openness 360°, infinite potential. The number is 0, no ending, zero programmation. Absolute beingness in the present. Riding.., being, the wave. No fear; Ready to affront and discover the secrets of the infinite universe. Expecting everything and anything..

EDtK7xUIDxk

ulli
26th September 2013, 18:22
Just to get back on the topic of Napoleon's timeline changing...
I feel they would have been more successful
had they found the chip not in his skull, but in his shoulder.

(Oops, groan..)

Delight
26th September 2013, 19:13
OK, so now I get it. I want to be the Fool on my Hill and like Napolean, I desire to knock all the rival chippies off the mountain and be Emporer in my own domain. It's that simple. I guess I have a chip.

skippy
26th September 2013, 19:28
OK, so now I get it. I want to be the Fool on my Hill and like Napolean, I desire to knock all the rival chippies off the mountain and be Emporer in my own domain. It's that simple. I guess I have a chip.

Exactly, jumping into the abyss.. to discover that it's a feathered bed. Careful with the 1st jump.. :)

oXv3SSijPFc

Christine
26th September 2013, 23:13
Thank you all - what a beautiful thread. I mean that sincerely!

In some way which I don't quite understand this image seemed appropriate to the topic....

http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue38/alpha%20omega.jpg

Tangri
26th September 2013, 23:31
on another post someone said Napoleon timeline is changed and now he won the war. this would mean the rothchilds would not have gotten rich ... any details on this ... anyone know more ... It resonates with me

jim

IMHO time travel is realy messy work. Original place who send travellers out(past) never get them back, but travellers went back their new alternative future because their alteration on time , creates a new dimention of alternate future. Originals(senders) never get their predetermined goals. What they accomplished; adding another posible reality to the soup. This helps parasitic souls enrich to chose their experience, training facilities.

Bill Ryan
26th September 2013, 23:46
IMHO time travel is realy messy work. Original place who send travellers out(past) never get them back, but travellers went back their new alternative future because their alteration creates a new dimention of alternate future. Originals never get their predetermined goals what they accomplished adding another posible reality. this helps parasitic souls enrich to chose their experience, training facilities.

I had to read this three times to understand it! But yes, there seems to be a danger that having left your future 'home' you can never go back there -- because the very act of returning to the past creates an alternative timeline which you are then committed to.

This may not just be theory. Dan Burisch talked extensively to Kerry and myself (both on and off record) about the 'P-52 Orions' -- "very wonderful people", he said, from 52,000 years in the future -- some of whom had made an 'ultimate sacrifice' of being stuck here, no longer able to return to their own time and home, BECAUSE they came back with the mission to change the timeline.

Tangri
27th September 2013, 00:05
IMHO time travel is realy messy work. Original place who send travellers out(past) never get them back, but travellers went back their new alternative future because their alteration creates a new dimention of alternate future. Originals never get their predetermined goals what they accomplished adding another posible reality. this helps parasitic souls enrich to chose their experience, training facilities.


I had to read this three times to understand it! But yes, there seems to be a danger that having left your future 'home' you can never go back there -- because the very act of returning to the past creates an alternative timeline which you are then committed to.

This may not just be theory. Dan Burisch talked extensively to Kerry and myself (both on and off record) about the 'P-52 Orions' -- "very wonderful people", he said, from 52,000 years in the future -- some of whom had made an 'ultimate sacrifice' of being stuck here, no longer able to return to their own time and home, BECAUSE they came back with the mission to change the timeline.

Deleted by poster ( unreleted respond to original post)

Bob
27th September 2013, 02:05
http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/TimeBandits.jpg

Forgive me please, Bill and Tangri - :)

Bob
27th September 2013, 02:11
I had to read this three times to understand it! But yes, there seems to be a danger that having left your future 'home' you can never go back there -- because the very act of returning to the past creates an alternative timeline which you are then committed to.

This may not just be theory. Dan Burisch talked extensively to Kerry and myself (both on and off record) about the 'P-52 Orions' -- "very wonderful people", he said, from 52,000 years in the future -- some of whom had made an 'ultimate sacrifice' of being stuck here, no longer able to return to their own time and home, BECAUSE they came back with the mission to change the timeline.

I personally would think the ethical way would be the traveler would have to have their memory wiped. If they are as soul/spirit true to cause, I would think they would make the right decisions as "enlightened newbies", and muddle through or proceed "full speed ahead". I personally think the more humble approach is the better way if the "future" needs a new quantum actualization.

Bill Ryan
27th September 2013, 18:59
-------

I copied this from a post I wrote on the "How do I get to Ecuador" thread.






Yes, Jim is a good guy. He's just not very good at expressing himself in writing!

You have to get BEHIND his words to figure out what he's really saying and where he is coming from.

This is not always easy -- but is more often worth it than one might at first imagine.

For logical, left-brained people, his posts can be very frustrating. For intuitive, right-brained people, he can often be a source of inspiration, because they 'get' him.




I should also add (for Raf/RMorgan and others!) that I've quite a few times urged Jim in public and in private to PLEASE not be so gullible as to believe everything that he reads on the net.

We ALL have to use our critical filters before dragging false information into the forum. (Jim is by far from the only person who has done this, and no-one is ill-intended. Discrimination is to be learned through feedback.)

And if one has few critical filters, then they need to be developed.

But to stick to one's own personal experience is fine. Many other Avalon members have reported experiences that are not believable by ordinary standards (and some experiences are hard to believe by any ANY standards. That does not mean they are not true.

Spiders, Raf? You see what I mean? :)

I even have some experiences myself which I've NOT shared publicly, because I still [feel I] dare not.

(And anyone who knows me will realize that's saying quite something. However, I feel strongly the experiences and perceptions are authentic.)

The fact that Jim lets it all hang out is a testimony to his courage -- courage that many people do not share. If everyone in the world had his willingness to state their truth -- whatever it was -- we would NOT have the problems we have today. Think about it.

Delight
27th September 2013, 19:39
Jim seems just about like all of us to me, sometimes one way, sometimes another....
When the forum is bringing something to me I realize that my reactions are my own.
I want to use a couple of quotes to articulate a concern as a red flag with his claims and requests.
Moving from sharing experience to inviting others in a venture calls for deep scrutiny.. Being asked to join as part of PA, I have questions of basic ethics being represented.


“Magic is quite often mistaken for sorcery. At this point I shall briefly explain the difference between magic and sorcery. A true magician relies completely upon the universal laws; he knows their cause and effect and he works consciously with these powers, whereas the sorcerer avails himself of powers the origin of which he knows not at all, although he does know that this or that will occur when he sets this or that power into motion. But he has no idea as to any other context of these matters, because he lacks the knowledge of the universal laws. Even though he may have partial knowledge of one law or another, he does not know the analogous context of the universal laws, their effects, how they develop and how and where they prevail, because a sorcerer does not possess the necessary maturity.

In contrast, a true magician, one who does not want to descend to the level of a sorcerer, would never embark upon any endeavor until he thoroughly understands what he is doing. Even a sorcerer can make use of the secret sciences and do one thing or another with good or evil intentions. In this case, it is irrelevant whether he employs positive or negative powers, for it does not entitle him to consider himself a magician.

By way of contrast once again, a charlatan is a person who is trying to deceive other people, and therefore he cannot be considered either a magician or a sorcerer. In common parlance such a person would simply be called a fraud or a con man. Charlatans like to boast of their high magical knowledge, which of course they do not possess, and they like to veil themselves in mystery, but only to conceal their ignorance.

These are the people who are responsible for true magical knowledge being so distorted and disgraced. A true magician does not identify himself through mysterious behavior or external splendor; on the contrary, he is modest and he endeavors at all times to help humankind and to explain magical knowledge to mature human beings. In order not to disgrace this holy knowledge, it should be understandable that the magician will not entrust any of the Mysteries to an immature person. A true magician will never display his true magical knowledge by any external demeanor. A true magician cannot be distinguished from an average citizen, because he adapts to every person, to every occasion and to every situation. His magical authority is internal, and therefore it is not necessary for him to shine externally.”

Franz Bardon, intro to The Practice of Magical Evocation


"Sorcery has been called Magic; but Magic is Wisdom, and there is no Wisdom in sorcery." (Paracelsus)

skippy
27th September 2013, 20:23
The next card in the Tarot is also interesting, while it represents the guy who is trying to fool you on the market place. The universe is full of trickery and the card number 1 is an invitation to be alert, to trust your own judgement, and to see through. In the Tarot de Marseille, the original French version of the Tarot, the following definition is given to the card named: "Le Bateleur": One who does conjuring tricks. The Bateleur is very skilful, very sharp-witted. People who join the theatre in public places, like charlatans, cord dancers, jokers, are also called that way.

http://www.smfernand.com/uploads/1/0/2/4/10248912/2757958.jpg?166

"Sapere Aude". Dare to be Wise (.. don't be fooled)

jiminii
27th September 2013, 21:05
The reason I got on this napoleon thing was not just about napoleon but all these other strange things appearing that the person mentioned. He was saying that it appeared to be earlier timelines altered, (at least that is what I thought he said), and is causing all these strange things to appear like an alive supposedly 150 year extinct bird of some kind.

So my intention was to try to put all these anomalies together because I am aware that we are not just changing this time line of this period we are in now but other times lines earlier from this time.

For example. LRH is born in 1913 and I am born in 1945. I already got that my 1945 birth would place me in the time period where his organization would have been under attack from sleeper reptilian controlled children, where I would have to come in at try to fix that.

Then Find we could only keep it going as far as we could while Captain Bill was setting up Ron's Org and the Free Zone people to release the upper levels while the Cabal was busy taking over the Church of Scientology.

So I was placed right after LRH from the future, which they would have enough time between 1913 and 1945 to develop the Tech in the future to create a being right out of the static with no automatic picture recording memories that can be implanted and controlled by mind control equipment.

So I was just interested in what is being rippled up from the past these anomalies mentioned to see some kind of pattern.

that is all I was looking at.

jim

Bill Ryan
27th September 2013, 22:03
....that is all I was looking at.



[mod hat on]

But Jim, what you're doing here is you're processing your own stuff (trying to find answers to your own unfinished business and unanswered questions) in public. And the material you're processing is not that which many people here can empathize with or understand very easily.

I can just about understand it, but only just! Most forum members do NOT understand what you are trying to deal with in your own mind. Most reading this will dismiss you as crazy. And if they do, this is your own responsibility, because you are responsible for the effect your communications have on others.

Others use the opportunity of the forum to deal with personal issues, of course, but usually relative to much more 'everyday' material. There's a difference between talking to friends about everyday problems (or even 'normal' esoteric ones like psychic attacks and out-of-the-body experiences), and trying to resolve highly weird material by talking and thinking out loud all the time.

This is not a 'safe' place to do that. We should have a poll to see who can follow your post above. We won't actually do this! But if we did, my guess is that maybe only 10% of people would seriously follow you. Maybe less than 10%.

What you're doing -- thinking and writing pretty much just as things come to you, with little filtering or consideration abut how it's all perceived by others or causes effects on others -- is likely to lead to serious misunderstandings and all kinds of problems.

You know how it works! If you were working with a qualified and experienced counsellor, they'd not be judging or commenting, would be asking you good questions, would be running carefully evaluated processes, and listening totally non-judgmentally.

Here, you're breaking all the rules: others are likely to be judging and belittling you (and a few people certainly are), are themselves getting stirred up because of comments you carelessly make, and in their efforts to deal with this come to all the wrong conclusions.

Please do not use the forum for this.

[mod hat off]

RunningDeer
27th September 2013, 23:01
”....that is all I was looking at.

A Bill “mod hat on” quote: “But Jim, what you're doing here is you're processing your own stuff (trying to find answers to your own unfinished business and unanswered questions) in public.”

If the above rings true, I’d share some requirements in a day in the life of “a Paula head”:

Self evaluation is an on-going and critical process for discovery of how much I am. For that to happen, I must be grounded in present. Often, I get perks of more light uncovered. More answers revealed. But my goal is joy in each moment engaged in ordinary stuff.

Reflection, honest evaluation and honest owning of what I uncover is another aspect of “a Paula head”. This one is absolutely critical. If I abate, it gets all growly and pissy.

Creativity is important. Art expression, writing, Native American flute, Tai Chi, all are ways I hitch a ride to discovery. What’s revealed is... less is more. Otherwise, ego goes all puffy and squeezes the light flow body.

Those are some of the things I do. And because of it, I sustain and increase [at times] light to perfect the natural skills. Which is a fun hobby and skill that I’d like to bump-up, so I can relieve this “a Paula head” of illusionary, thought duties.

With Love to Jim,
Paula :wave:

T Smith
28th September 2013, 01:47
The "alternative" scene has gone to a beyond ridiculous place...It's just one crazy story after the other, and they are always proven wrong time after time, over and over and over again...But people still believe it.



Hi Raf, I hear you my friend. Not that I disagree with what you're saying, but I think you are perhaps being a bit hard on the alternative community and this forum in particular. Yes, people tend to believe anything, you're right. You have the vast majority of Americas who believe Seal Team 6 captured and killed Bin Ladin in May 2011 and that 19 suicidal hijackers brought down the World Trade Center with box cutters. People do believe anything. But this isn't a phenomenon exclusive to the naivete of the alternative community. In many respects, the mainstream is much more gullible and ridiculous than even the most uncritical audience in the alternative community. What you're talking about is human nature.

The problem as I see it isn't the gullibility of people, but rather their lack of critical thinking skills. I don't think it's absurd at all to suggest an RFID chip was discovered in the skull of an exhumed Napoleon (we live in a very strange world)--this is no less absurd to me than to believe Seal Team 6 killed Bin Ladin just because CNN told us so. As far as I'm concerned CNN is no more credible than Weekly World News. One peddles propaganda, the other sensationalism. What is absurd, however, is to believe any claim on face value without verifying the claim or at least providing a compelling argument as to why such a claim might be true.

The RFID chip discovery is likely a hoax, but I wouldn't be at all surprised, either, had we discovered the contrary. I try not to invest in an opinion either way when contemplating seemingly outrageous claims (we should remember at one time the suggestion that the earth was round was considered absolutely absurd, illogical, and ridiculous). Rather I try to keep open and flex my critical thinking skills to the best of my ability without bias. I commented in the Napoleon thread that the claim could be verified (or in this case debunked), and if I were advancing any type of argument or theory based on the claim I would most certainly verify the claim before investing in its veracity.

Just my two cents. I tend to get equally frustrated with the Brawdo-slurping sheep as you do with those who continually entertain the seemingly absurd without discernment.

araucaria
28th September 2013, 09:28
Being open-minded means being able to entertain extraordinary thoughts. Like entertaining guests, you sit with them for a while, and have the choice of whether or not to invite them back. The subject of time travel is bound to wander into the terrain of possibly unwelcome guests because it involves paradoxes that may be insurmountable. Time travel is generally thought impossible because of these paradoxes, and yet, given the real nature of time, the idea is seen as somehow inevitable.

There is an interesting fictional exploration of time travel in a Henry James novel, The Sense of the Past, the last thing he was writing at the time of his death in 1916. It is rather heavy going and I’m not recommending it to anyone. It is the story of a young American historian who inherits property in London, and on seeing a portrait of his young ancestor, gets to talk to him and change places with him and experience his visit to London ninety years earlier, in around 1820. He is so into the period that he can get by quite nicely on the whole, and much of the subtlety of the tale lies in applying the mixture of historical knowledge and a modern mentality to the actual historical situation. Where things become complicated is when the girl he is engaged to marry turns out to be rather staid for his liking and he prefers the more modern younger sister before he even gets to see her. We see how the time travel itself causes considerable upheaval – or maybe it is just the clash of two cultures, the cousin from America being the element of plausible deniability. It turns out that he himself posed for the portrait. Another complication comes from the fact that in the mean time, the alter ego gets to visit 20th century London. James planned on rescuing his hero through his American fiancée coming out to get help from the Ambassador, who was notified in advance. Unfortunately James died before he solved this little problem.

T Smith
28th September 2013, 12:20
Being open-minded means being able to entertain extraordinary thoughts. Like entertaining guests, you sit with them for a while, and have the choice of whether or not to invite them back. The subject of time travel is bound to wander into the terrain of possibly unwelcome guests because it involves paradoxes that may be insurmountable. Time travel is generally thought impossible because of these paradoxes, and yet, given the real nature of time, the idea is seen as somehow inevitable.

There is an interesting fictional exploration of time travel in a Henry James novel, The Sense of the Past, the last thing he was writing at the time of his death in 1916. It is rather heavy going and I’m not recommending it to anyone. It is the story of a young American historian who inherits property in London, and on seeing a portrait of his young ancestor, gets to talk to him and change places with him and experience his visit to London ninety years earlier, in around 1820. He is so into the period that he can get by quite nicely on the whole, and much of the subtlety of the tale lies in applying the mixture of historical knowledge and a modern mentality to the actual historical situation. Where things become complicated is when the girl he is engaged to marry turns out to be rather staid for his liking and he prefers the more modern younger sister before he even gets to see her. We see how the time travel itself causes considerable upheaval – or maybe it is just the clash of two cultures, the cousin from America being the element of plausible deniability. It turns out that he himself posed for the portrait. Another complication comes from the fact that in the mean time, the alter ego gets to visit 20th century London. James planned on rescuing his hero through his American fiancée coming out to get help from the Ambassador, who was notified in advance. Unfortunately James died before he solved this little problem.

Actually, the notion of time travel isn't complicated at all if one has a grasp of quantum mechanics. The Napoleon thread is controversial, presumably, because of its outlandish leap of faith and seeming paradox of logic (which seems to be the issue some take issue with), but this is only if one is hung up on linear physics. This simply isn't the problem with the ideas put forth in the Napoleon thread. The problem is whether or not the claim is true and can be verified.

I have no problem at all with the ideas. But I have no idea whether the claim is true or not.

araucaria
28th September 2013, 14:16
Actually, the notion of time travel isn't complicated at all if one has a grasp of quantum mechanics. The Napoleon thread is controversial, presumably, because of its outlandish leap of faith and seeming paradox of logic (which seems to be the issue some take issue with), but this is only if one is hung up on linear physics. This simply isn't the problem with the ideas put forth in the Napoleon thread. The problem is whether or not the claim is true and can be verified.

I have no problem at all with the ideas. But I have no idea whether the claim is true or not.
This is a pretty huge claim, even for a quantum physicist. They usually say if you think you've understood quantum physics, then you're wrong. And even if you did, you would need to explain the repercussions of quantum effects on the macrocosm. This is a vast subject, and of course some of the aspects to it are covered on this forum. I really think you should start a thread of your own to share your insights. These quantum effects on the macrocosm would no doubt include, if not downright paradoxes, at least anomalies on the linear physical plane. They are the subject of this thread, at least on the odd occasion when it has one :) (sse the quotes below).

One such would be a chip in Napoleon's skull. That would be a physical anomaly of the type I am talking about because such technology is not supposed to have existed back then. Unfortunately, to disagree on this point also, that seems to have been debunked. To make that bird fly, you would need to provide some evidence. No one here seems very convinced about this story precisely because we have no evidence.

On the other hand, we have evidence of all kinds of other anomalies, such as the Antikythera mechanism, which shows how computing devices existed in ancient Greece. It comes down, as I suggested earlier, to rewriting the history books.


I do think that parallel (or bifurcating) timelines are likely to be in some sense a metaphysical reality -- and also one which the black projects guys tinker with and create all kinds of serious problems with highly advanced technology that they barely understand (viz Montauk, etc). There's quite a lot of compelling circumstantial evidence that some black projects are heavily engaged in messing with time itself.






IMHO time travel is realy messy work. Original place who send travellers out(past) never get them back, but travellers went back their new alternative future because their alteration creates a new dimention of alternate future. Originals never get their predetermined goals what they accomplished adding another posible reality. this helps parasitic souls enrich to chose their experience, training facilities.

I had to read this three times to understand it! But yes, there seems to be a danger that having left your future 'home' you can never go back there -- because the very act of returning to the past creates an alternative timeline which you are then committed to.

This may not just be theory. Dan Burisch talked extensively to Kerry and myself (both on and off record) about the 'P-52 Orions' -- "very wonderful people", he said, from 52,000 years in the future -- some of whom had made an 'ultimate sacrifice' of being stuck here, no longer able to return to their own time and home, BECAUSE they came back with the mission to change the timeline.

T Smith
28th September 2013, 16:19
Actually, the notion of time travel isn't complicated at all if one has a grasp of quantum mechanics. The Napoleon thread is controversial, presumably, because of its outlandish leap of faith and seeming paradox of logic (which seems to be the issue some take issue with), but this is only if one is hung up on linear physics. This simply isn't the problem with the ideas put forth in the Napoleon thread. The problem is whether or not the claim is true and can be verified.

I have no problem at all with the ideas. But I have no idea whether the claim is true or not.
This is a pretty huge claim, even for a quantum physicist. They usually say if you think you've understood quantum physics, then you're wrong. And even if you did, you would need to explain the repercussions of quantum effects on the macrocosm. This is a vast subject, and of course some of the aspects to it are covered on this forum. I really think you should start a thread of your own to share your insights. These quantum effects on the macrocosm would no doubt include, if not downright paradoxes, at least anomalies on the linear physical plane. They are the subject of this thread, at least on the odd occasion when it has one :) (sse the quotes below).

One such would be a chip in Napoleon's skull. That would be a physical anomaly of the type I am talking about because such technology is not supposed to have existed back then. Unfortunately, to disagree on this point also, that seems to have been debunked. To make that bird fly, you would need to provide some evidence. No one here seems very convinced about this story precisely because we have no evidence.

On the other hand, we have evidence of all kinds of other anomalies, such as the Antikythera mechanism, which shows how computing devices existed in ancient Greece. It comes down, as I suggested earlier, to rewriting the history books.


I do think that parallel (or bifurcating) timelines are likely to be in some sense a metaphysical reality -- and also one which the black projects guys tinker with and create all kinds of serious problems with highly advanced technology that they barely understand (viz Montauk, etc). There's quite a lot of compelling circumstantial evidence that some black projects are heavily engaged in messing with time itself.






IMHO time travel is realy messy work. Original place who send travellers out(past) never get them back, but travellers went back their new alternative future because their alteration creates a new dimention of alternate future. Originals never get their predetermined goals what they accomplished adding another posible reality. this helps parasitic souls enrich to chose their experience, training facilities.

I had to read this three times to understand it! But yes, there seems to be a danger that having left your future 'home' you can never go back there -- because the very act of returning to the past creates an alternative timeline which you are then committed to.

This may not just be theory. Dan Burisch talked extensively to Kerry and myself (both on and off record) about the 'P-52 Orions' -- "very wonderful people", he said, from 52,000 years in the future -- some of whom had made an 'ultimate sacrifice' of being stuck here, no longer able to return to their own time and home, BECAUSE they came back with the mission to change the timeline.

I will grant this is all highly theoretical. We are dealing with issues of the macrocosm in terms of quanta, so if one is looking for evidence in the macro there really isn't any as far as I know. But the claim (which you say is huge) is based on scientific fact. In the 1930s the most famous and accomplished physicists of the time couldn't agree on the ramification of these "facts", so why should anyone expect all of us here to be on the same page :) Specifically, I'm referring to the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen argument, from which the famous expression "God doesn't play dice," originated. Basically Einstein couldn't reconcile the ramifications of the mathematics of quantum theory (much like many cannot reconcile the seeming paradoxes in time given the possibility of time travel) because they seemed to discount, among other things, time and local determinism (local determinism can be analogous, if you like, in the macrocosm to a historical timeline). Basically Einstein is saying, to run with the analogy, that event A, in time, must factor into a determination of event B. Thus the other famous paradox Einstein took issue with, i.e. "spooky action at a distance." Right? Ah, not really, or so it turned out in the world of quanta. But at the time of the EPR argument (1935ish) there wasn't physical "evidence" in the microcosm, just as there may not be physical evidence now in the macrocosm. But that doesn't mean the scientific facts do not exist. In 1984 Alan Aspect finally proved, via experimentation in the world of quanta, that Bell's Theorem's was correct. Essentially, Einstein was incorrect with his internal hang-up on so-called paradoxes. Grant it, this is highly counter-intuitive to the way we understand the world, but the facts are indisputable. You can review the experiment for yourself so I won't delve into the details here, but basically for those unfamiliar, Aspect proved that reality itself is nonlocal and it is not determined by space/time. To put it succinctly as possible, there are no paradoxes because space/time is irrelevant.

I will also grant that my understanding assumes the "as above, so below" philosophy, such that my understanding of the universe itself is essentially no different than my understanding of quanta and the universe at large thus behaves in the same way. This may be a huge claim, but so far no one I know of has ever advanced any convincing arguments to lead me to rethink my understanding.

araucaria
29th September 2013, 08:30
Actually, the notion of time travel isn't complicated at all if one has a grasp of quantum mechanics. The Napoleon thread is controversial, presumably, because of its outlandish leap of faith and seeming paradox of logic (which seems to be the issue some take issue with), but this is only if one is hung up on linear physics. This simply isn't the problem with the ideas put forth in the Napoleon thread. The problem is whether or not the claim is true and can be verified.

I have no problem at all with the ideas. But I have no idea whether the claim is true or not.
This is a pretty huge claim, even for a quantum physicist. They usually say if you think you've understood quantum physics, then you're wrong. And even if you did, you would need to explain the repercussions of quantum effects on the macrocosm. This is a vast subject, and of course some of the aspects to it are covered on this forum. I really think you should start a thread of your own to share your insights. These quantum effects on the macrocosm would no doubt include, if not downright paradoxes, at least anomalies on the linear physical plane. They are the subject of this thread, at least on the odd occasion when it has one :) (sse the quotes below).

One such would be a chip in Napoleon's skull. That would be a physical anomaly of the type I am talking about because such technology is not supposed to have existed back then. Unfortunately, to disagree on this point also, that seems to have been debunked. To make that bird fly, you would need to provide some evidence. No one here seems very convinced about this story precisely because we have no evidence.

On the other hand, we have evidence of all kinds of other anomalies, such as the Antikythera mechanism, which shows how computing devices existed in ancient Greece. It comes down, as I suggested earlier, to rewriting the history books.


I do think that parallel (or bifurcating) timelines are likely to be in some sense a metaphysical reality -- and also one which the black projects guys tinker with and create all kinds of serious problems with highly advanced technology that they barely understand (viz Montauk, etc). There's quite a lot of compelling circumstantial evidence that some black projects are heavily engaged in messing with time itself.






IMHO time travel is realy messy work. Original place who send travellers out(past) never get them back, but travellers went back their new alternative future because their alteration creates a new dimention of alternate future. Originals never get their predetermined goals what they accomplished adding another posible reality. this helps parasitic souls enrich to chose their experience, training facilities.

I had to read this three times to understand it! But yes, there seems to be a danger that having left your future 'home' you can never go back there -- because the very act of returning to the past creates an alternative timeline which you are then committed to.

This may not just be theory. Dan Burisch talked extensively to Kerry and myself (both on and off record) about the 'P-52 Orions' -- "very wonderful people", he said, from 52,000 years in the future -- some of whom had made an 'ultimate sacrifice' of being stuck here, no longer able to return to their own time and home, BECAUSE they came back with the mission to change the timeline.

I will grant this is all highly theoretical. We are dealing with issues of the macrocosm in terms of quanta, so if one is looking for evidence in the macro there really isn't any as far as I know. But the claim (which you say is huge) is based on scientific fact. In the 1930s the most famous and accomplished physicists of the time couldn't agree on the ramification of these "facts", so why should anyone expect all of us here to be on the same page :) Specifically, I'm referring to the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen argument, from which the famous expression "God doesn't play dice," originated. Basically Einstein couldn't reconcile the ramifications of the mathematics of quantum theory (much like many cannot reconcile the seeming paradoxes in time given the possibility of time travel) because they seemed to discount, among other things, time and local determinism (local determinism can be analogous, if you like, in the macrocosm to a historical timeline). Basically Einstein is saying, to run with the analogy, that event A, in time, must factor into a determination of event B. Thus the other famous paradox Einstein took issue with, i.e. "spooky action at a distance." Right? Ah, not really, or so it turned out in the world of quanta. But at the time of the EPR argument (1935ish) there wasn't physical "evidence" in the microcosm, just as there may not be physical evidence now in the macrocosm. But that doesn't mean the scientific facts do not exist. In 1984 Alan Aspect finally proved, via experimentation in the world of quanta, that Bell's Theorem's was correct. Essentially, Einstein was incorrect with his internal hang-up on so-called paradoxes. Grant it, this is highly counter-intuitive to the way we understand the world, but the facts are indisputable. You can review the experiment for yourself so I won't delve into the details here, but basically for those unfamiliar, Aspect proved that reality itself is nonlocal and it is not determined by space/time. To put it succinctly as possible, there are no paradoxes because space/time is irrelevant.

I will also grant that my understanding assumes the "as above, so below" philosophy, such that my understanding of the universe itself is essentially no different than my understanding of quanta and the universe at large thus behaves in the same way. This may be a huge claim, but so far no one I know of has ever advanced any convincing arguments to lead me to rethink my understanding.


That is the very decent answer I was challenging you to supply, thank you :)

However, stating space-time to be irrelevant still doesn't make paradoxes irrelevant in our perceived space-time. My point was that the paradox or discrepancy is between physical evidence and the intellectual story in our history books. We have the physical evidence that Pearl Harbor was a false flag. What we are still waiting for from mainstream circles is a chapter revision that removes that discrepancy. The difficulty for historians lies in making sense of the evidence before them. Most of it will be pieces added to a given puzzle, but sometimes you find a paradigm changer, and it takes some time to realize you are working on a whole new puzzle. Assessing the Shoah ultimately requires a full body count. You count the dead and then decide on the gravity of the event. Except that the physical evidence is often for various reasons lacking. Holocaust revisionism takes advantage of that gray area.


What is the relevance of this to this thread? Well, you decide the outcome of the Battle of Waterloo by counting the dead on both sides, and by following subsequent events. If Napoleon was on St Helena at all, investigating Montauk or otherwise, then it was because he lost that battle. Which paragraph in his Wikipedia entry would we want to change, and what would be put in its place? So far, we can only say None. Here is an example of what I am talking about:




Regarding the parallel timeline where Germany won the last war, it is amazing how close this came to happening in this timeline. As it is, the launch of the Allied campaign in Europe on D-Day came perilously close to failure and owed a lot to Rommel’s absence. D-Day happened to be Mrs Rommel’s 50th birthday, and this micro-event is the main reason why he was back in Berlin, not the appointment he had arranged with Hitler to tell him where he was going wrong. Peter Tsouras’s Disaster at D-Day makes one or two minor adjustments to the historical record, one of which is to have Rommel cancel this trip home; these are enough to enable him to rewrite the whole campaign so as to bring about the opposite outcome.

jiminii
29th September 2013, 11:42
when I was 14 years old I had an out of body experience. I was about 12 feet above the ground and to the right of my horse. I was looking down at her head. Her head suddenly started to move towards me, (I am in spirit), and her head came up and eyes LOOKED DIRECTLY into Mine, (spirit eyes).
I came back into my body and ran every single picture all the way back to when I entered this body in a few seconds.

Now the thing is this. I went completely out of the physical universe to a void of complete nothing and back into every single picture that was there with this difference, THEY WERE NOT PICTURES.

I was LITERALLY GOING INTO THE EXACT TIME ITSELF. This means i was going into the sequence of the TIME CONTINUUM only RUNNING BACKWARDS,

Me the SPIRIT does NOT HAVE PICTURES. I don't have an automatic picture recording memory. So I HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE TIME SPACE MASS ITSELF to see what it was.


A class 8 auditor had the same problem running me to a past life time. I had to put a NUDGE in my head to make the meter react so she could say, "THAT" and find myself again going completely OUT OF THIS PHYSICAL UNIVERSE and BACK INTO A TIME THAT WAS around 750 AD.

Free Zone people tell me this is a high spiritual level being able to go OUT OF THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE COMPLETELY and BACK INTO IT.


OK ,.. I hope you all can follow this logic.

I think this is because this time period I CAME BACK TO has been setup in me to be able to follow the continuous space time continuum of THIS TIME.

and when it gets interrupted I have these ODD things that happen like going out of the entire physical universe into a VOID and return to any time someone asked me to go look at.

In other words, when she said, "THAT". this body had some memory from the genetic side and wanted me to look at it.

since I have no pictures myself I have to literally go back to the time itself.

This is MY experience dealing with having my thoughts happen like the hurricane going up the east coast.

people will say I was not responsible enough to make it cause less damage.

You see the truth here is we are actually running in REAL TIME NEW CREATION a few hundred years from this time period.

this time period has ALREADY HAPPENED.

I am one of those who was sent back to try to raise the frequency of the planet.

my basic mission got altered by joining the Church of Scientology so I had to be sent up to that UFO where ever it came from and be reprogrammed with a different mission that would satisfy handling situations like some auditor and me on a meter trying to look at earlier pictures I don't have.

What I am trying to say is, I am a brand new creation with NO AUTOMATIC PICTURE RECORDING MEMORY. We are called Natural Clears and so we ARE A NEW CREATION.

We are an EXPERIMENTATION sent back to see if we can alter this period of history.

so I was in my room in Los Angeles. I suddenly got this impulse to turn on the TV. I see this hurricane going straight into Clearwater Florida.

My hand instantly went up and I said, "STOP" .... I did not even KNOW at that instant if I had stopped the hurricane, but I did.

I sat down and thought, "I never handled a hurricane before. I better write it down and mail it to LRH and make sure I do it right."

so I wrote to LRH. "Ron do you know there is a hurricane going straight into Clearwater .... well ... I will tell you what I will do with it ... I'll drive it up into Georgia where it's mostly trees there and run it across the panhandle and then run it up the East coast .. and do a little impingement on Washington DC. .... oh and no one will get killed."

LRH wrote me back and said, "it is very much appreciated that you had concern for the Flag Land Base", (top scientology org on the planet). you see he KNOWS what I can do.

OK now Please look at this logic.

We are all actually in a future time ... not this time .... but some of us were sent back to alter this time. so apparently I have some ability to alter this time with my thoughts and this kind of things happen.

It is only after the hurricane went up the coast that I realized my thoughts REALLY DID EXACTLY WHAT I TOLD LRH I WOULD DO.

at the time I didn't KNOW if my thoughts COULD DO IT. but it happened. so I can say I take a win but also can say I didn't calculate for the greatest good.

Now in the future everyone on this planet is in another body with some kind of mind control INSIDE THEIR HEAD like these parasites the reptilians have used to alter the cabals minds.

if this is true ... then everyone in the future is ALREADY IN TROUBLE.

So I am New and I have to somehow get my references using this bodies perceptions and this lifetime to do it in.


I didn't know how important I was in this whole scene anyway but now I KNOW ,, I have to get to ecuador NO MATTER WHAT

and get those auditors down there to open up the rest of the information I am suppose to bring.

Since MOST of the people on this planet can't believe anything I say about this kind of stuff. I HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING BY MYSELF.

this means to get the money to buy a ticket to get there. Because you can see on this forum I have a lot of problems just getting the people here to understand this situation.

and this physical universe on a prison planet is rigged to make us lose.

I hope you can understand my situation now.

as for me???? it has been said that if someone was sent from the future to this time and created another timeline that we would be stuck here.

I already KNOW that I am not stuck in TIME. I have seen it again and again. I have had a 16 pound sledge hammer go through my head and somehow the spirit put the head back together.

if I die I am not stuck in this time. I can go anywhere because I will go back to the static where we will create a new mission.

the only people who get stuck in time are those that have this automatic picture recording memory that KEEPS HIM STUCK..

but this is the FIRST TIME IN ALL CREATION we have been able to design a NEW spirit being that is NOT walking around with a mind that can be implanted by some enemy anymore.

it is an experiment. Now there are 4 waves of us coming here, and I already KNOW WE HAVE WON OUR CONQUEST OF THIS PHYSICAL UNIVERSE.

We will all be free soon ... this is true.

jim

jiminii
29th September 2013, 12:04
....that is all I was looking at.



[mod hat on]

But Jim, what you're doing here is you're processing your own stuff .

Please do not use the forum for this.

[mod hat off]

I know I jumped in too quick and not realizing I might lose half or more of the audience

jim

Nanoo Nanoo
29th September 2013, 12:50
on another post someone said Napoleon timeline is changed and now he won the war. this would mean the rothchilds would not have gotten rich ... any details on this ... anyone know more ... It resonates with me

jim

yes i got it , he became a womens fashion designer instead

Since then

America accepted the metric system
Clothes are now made in the south of france instead of china
WW1 and 2 didnt happen but instead it became mandatory to go to design school for 2 years to get a drivers licence
Chatelle Napoleon is now called Napo Lite Beer ...

wow

N

transiten
29th September 2013, 13:25
Bonjour, je suis français eh, maintenant, Ce n'est pas vrai?

Oui ? Non?

;)

He he, my mother had a bust of Napoleon in her bedroom that i got fairly well payed for. I still have a corner bookshelf with the top in the shape of Napoleons hat. Gonna sell that one also. My relatives on her side came from Ajaccio and one of my relatives was involved in the liberation movement from France. Never visited Corse mais j'irais aussi tôt que possible, have to cure my lyme first.

By the way, references to scientology and Ron Hubbard raise my red flags. I think Bill said his teachings have been kidnapped and distorted? but i prefer Rumi every time:

Only Breath: www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8hrF2CGTWY

T Smith
29th September 2013, 20:45
Actually, the notion of time travel isn't complicated at all if one has a grasp of quantum mechanics. The Napoleon thread is controversial, presumably, because of its outlandish leap of faith and seeming paradox of logic (which seems to be the issue some take issue with), but this is only if one is hung up on linear physics. This simply isn't the problem with the ideas put forth in the Napoleon thread. The problem is whether or not the claim is true and can be verified.

I have no problem at all with the ideas. But I have no idea whether the claim is true or not.
This is a pretty huge claim, even for a quantum physicist. They usually say if you think you've understood quantum physics, then you're wrong. And even if you did, you would need to explain the repercussions of quantum effects on the macrocosm. This is a vast subject, and of course some of the aspects to it are covered on this forum. I really think you should start a thread of your own to share your insights. These quantum effects on the macrocosm would no doubt include, if not downright paradoxes, at least anomalies on the linear physical plane. They are the subject of this thread, at least on the odd occasion when it has one :) (sse the quotes below).

One such would be a chip in Napoleon's skull. That would be a physical anomaly of the type I am talking about because such technology is not supposed to have existed back then. Unfortunately, to disagree on this point also, that seems to have been debunked. To make that bird fly, you would need to provide some evidence. No one here seems very convinced about this story precisely because we have no evidence.

On the other hand, we have evidence of all kinds of other anomalies, such as the Antikythera mechanism, which shows how computing devices existed in ancient Greece. It comes down, as I suggested earlier, to rewriting the history books.


I do think that parallel (or bifurcating) timelines are likely to be in some sense a metaphysical reality -- and also one which the black projects guys tinker with and create all kinds of serious problems with highly advanced technology that they barely understand (viz Montauk, etc). There's quite a lot of compelling circumstantial evidence that some black projects are heavily engaged in messing with time itself.






IMHO time travel is realy messy work. Original place who send travellers out(past) never get them back, but travellers went back their new alternative future because their alteration creates a new dimention of alternate future. Originals never get their predetermined goals what they accomplished adding another posible reality. this helps parasitic souls enrich to chose their experience, training facilities.

I had to read this three times to understand it! But yes, there seems to be a danger that having left your future 'home' you can never go back there -- because the very act of returning to the past creates an alternative timeline which you are then committed to.

This may not just be theory. Dan Burisch talked extensively to Kerry and myself (both on and off record) about the 'P-52 Orions' -- "very wonderful people", he said, from 52,000 years in the future -- some of whom had made an 'ultimate sacrifice' of being stuck here, no longer able to return to their own time and home, BECAUSE they came back with the mission to change the timeline.

I will grant this is all highly theoretical. We are dealing with issues of the macrocosm in terms of quanta, so if one is looking for evidence in the macro there really isn't any as far as I know. But the claim (which you say is huge) is based on scientific fact. In the 1930s the most famous and accomplished physicists of the time couldn't agree on the ramification of these "facts", so why should anyone expect all of us here to be on the same page :) Specifically, I'm referring to the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen argument, from which the famous expression "God doesn't play dice," originated. Basically Einstein couldn't reconcile the ramifications of the mathematics of quantum theory (much like many cannot reconcile the seeming paradoxes in time given the possibility of time travel) because they seemed to discount, among other things, time and local determinism (local determinism can be analogous, if you like, in the macrocosm to a historical timeline). Basically Einstein is saying, to run with the analogy, that event A, in time, must factor into a determination of event B. Thus the other famous paradox Einstein took issue with, i.e. "spooky action at a distance." Right? Ah, not really, or so it turned out in the world of quanta. But at the time of the EPR argument (1935ish) there wasn't physical "evidence" in the microcosm, just as there may not be physical evidence now in the macrocosm. But that doesn't mean the scientific facts do not exist. In 1984 Alan Aspect finally proved, via experimentation in the world of quanta, that Bell's Theorem's was correct. Essentially, Einstein was incorrect with his internal hang-up on so-called paradoxes. Grant it, this is highly counter-intuitive to the way we understand the world, but the facts are indisputable. You can review the experiment for yourself so I won't delve into the details here, but basically for those unfamiliar, Aspect proved that reality itself is nonlocal and it is not determined by space/time. To put it succinctly as possible, there are no paradoxes because space/time is irrelevant.

I will also grant that my understanding assumes the "as above, so below" philosophy, such that my understanding of the universe itself is essentially no different than my understanding of quanta and the universe at large thus behaves in the same way. This may be a huge claim, but so far no one I know of has ever advanced any convincing arguments to lead me to rethink my understanding.


That is the very decent answer I was challenging you to supply, thank you :)

However, stating space-time to be irrelevant still doesn't make paradoxes irrelevant in our perceived space-time. My point was that the paradox or discrepancy is between physical evidence and the intellectual story in our history books. We have the physical evidence that Pearl Harbor was a false flag. What we are still waiting for from mainstream circles is a chapter revision that removes that discrepancy. The difficulty for historians lies in making sense of the evidence before them. Most of it will be pieces added to a given puzzle, but sometimes you find a paradigm changer, and it takes some time to realize you are working on a whole new puzzle. Assessing the Shoah ultimately requires a full body count. You count the dead and then decide on the gravity of the event. Except that the physical evidence is often for various reasons lacking. Holocaust revisionism takes advantage of that gray area.


What is the relevance of this to this thread? Well, you decide the outcome of the Battle of Waterloo by counting the dead on both sides, and by following subsequent events. If Napoleon was on St Helena at all, investigating Montauk or otherwise, then it was because he lost that battle. Which paragraph in his Wikipedia entry would we want to change, and what would be put in its place? So far, we can only say None. Here is an example of what I am talking about:




Regarding the parallel timeline where Germany won the last war, it is amazing how close this came to happening in this timeline. As it is, the launch of the Allied campaign in Europe on D-Day came perilously close to failure and owed a lot to Rommel’s absence. D-Day happened to be Mrs Rommel’s 50th birthday, and this micro-event is the main reason why he was back in Berlin, not the appointment he had arranged with Hitler to tell him where he was going wrong. Peter Tsouras’s Disaster at D-Day makes one or two minor adjustments to the historical record, one of which is to have Rommel cancel this trip home; these are enough to enable him to rewrite the whole campaign so as to bring about the opposite outcome.

When I began studying quantum mechanics a few years ago, I became aware of a device that in theory could transmit radio waves from the future. Given a black ops budget great enough to accelerate a set of atoms at some fraction of C (such as CERN), coupled with a few other variables, one could in theory decode an elementary binary transmission in the future from its entangled counterpart in the present. In the simplest terms, one can envision this as a sort of atomic radio that can tune into the future.

Hmmm… what could one do with such a device? For sake of discussion, the most base and pragmatic application might be to tune a mere five minutes into the future to procure the winning lottery numbers.

The thing is (as I’m sure DARPA and all the other black-ops agencies are fully aware) when I worked through all the theoretical ramifications of this conception (the mathematics still elude me somewhat and are above my pay grade :) ) I discovered that we could indeed tune into the future to procure the lottery numbers without issue, but we couldn’t necessarily tune into the exact future that becomes the present, even when we looked as close as five minutes or so ahead. As far as I understand it, this is the crux of the problem with time travel that the breakaway civilization and TPB are dealing with. For example, the winning lottery numbers from the future turn out to be just as random as any set of lottery numbers drawn in the present, and if we are looking into the future to specifically win the lottery, the probability of tuning into the exact future that will eventually materialize is no greater than going with a quick pick in the present! In other words, a sneak-peak at the future is equivalent to finding a needle in a haystack. It is like pulling out one straw from an infinite pile of straws and hoping you have the one straw that will eventually become the present. Yes, all the straws look somewhat alike but each one is unique, like a snowflake, and still a little different. Even the mere act of measuring the future alters the present. Essentially, this is the mathematics underlying quantum mechanics.

Grant it, we are talking about lottery numbers, and just as no two snowflakes are identical, in the macrocosm one might have trouble discerning the difference between two snowballs. If we were to tune five minutes into the future (which is why remote viewing is still somewhat beneficial to TPB) the reality we would see might look more or less like the reality that will eventually unfold. If a tree were about to fall across your driveway in five minutes, chances are the tree still falls across your driveway. If it is rainy and windy, chances are it will still be rainy and windy. However—and this is the key--the probe will discern a future with slightly less resolution than the present materializes, in an inverse relationship to the distance the probe moves into the future. We can observe the mathematics underlying this dynamic in chaos theory and by the Lorez attractor.

To render this down to very simple terms, the further we move away from the present, either going forward or backward in time, the more likely reality looks nothing—and I mean nothing--like the linear history of which we’re familiar. Provided one could even travel back in time and even locate a historical figure named Napoleon (this is a huge leap of faith for me, if you will recall our needle in the haystack analogy), one is simply traveling into an entirely different reality. It’s not connected, in the quantum sense, with the present. This is why I have a hard time with paradoxes, because the paradox assumes history and time are related, and understandably so, because that’s how our consciousness experiences the world. But quantum mechanics—along with various other sages, such as the Seth Material (if one is more receptive to that sort of thing)—tells us that the past and future are all illusionary—or at best a mere ramification of the present—and that the only thing that really exists is the present.

But let’s just assume, for sake of argument, that we can time travel along the very timeline our history books have recorded (i.e. this is possible by some means). Even if we could presumably “alter” the very past our history books have recorded, as far as I understand it, we would be merely manifesting another timeline altogether. It would be like traveling down a road for one hundred miles or so, noting the landscape, the terrain, etc., making a log of these physical characteristics as topographers and calling our record “history”, and then by some means we obtain the technology to transport back along the exact road one hundred miles back and decide to take a fork in the road instead (this would be analogous to chipping Napoleon). My question is, how would that change the actual topography, e.g. the terrain and the landscape along the road we’ve already traveled? All that does is materialize to our senses another route in the landscape, with different terrain and different landscape. In short, it adds data to our awareness but it doesn't change the topography. Yes, the new route is entirely different, but the route we’ve already taken exists and continues to exist.

At the end of the day, I truly do not believe time travel affects our own manifestation of reality, except perhaps in other problematic ways that don’t necessarily deal with paradoxes…

Bob
30th September 2013, 02:39
owww my brain hurts, but I LOVE IT - TargeT - that pretty much is brilliant, but may I add, what IF, the whole omniverse is a quantum cube, and every outcome already exists, and all we do is just jump around different frozen threads believing we are moving in time.

Bob
30th September 2013, 03:04
owww my brain hurts, but I LOVE IT - TargeT - that pretty much is brilliant, but may I add, what IF, the whole omniverse is a quantum cube, and every outcome already exists, and all we do is just jump around different frozen threads believing we are moving in time.

I am adding a pix to describe a bread crumb :) that addresses what you mentioned here:

However—and this is the key--the probe will discern a future with slightly less resolution than the present materializes, in an inverse relationship to the distance the probe moves into the future. We can observe the mathematics underlying this dynamic in chaos theory and by the Lorez attractor.


23027

You can see the time cones mentioned as "everyone" expects "reality" to be. The being is at the red 0 point in the experience (call experience reality moment).

The technique is called "flattening" backward time perspective and forward time perspective (advanced and retarded wavefronts) are dealt with. You will notice there is a horizontal group of waves with a blue color towards the future and a red color towards the back. The two time cones (1F. 1B) are changed in perspective, as shown, moved upwards outwards (2F, 2B), in essence flattening the dimensional structure according to the geometry. When that is done, one is in quantum allness space and there is no movement nor time progression forward or backward, all outcomes are simultaneously accessible to the "0".

jiminii
30th September 2013, 03:25
owww my brain hurts, but I LOVE IT - TargeT - that pretty much is brilliant, but may I add, what IF, the whole omniverse is a quantum cube, and every outcome already exists, and all we do is just jump around different frozen threads believing we are moving in time.

I am adding a pix to describe a bread crumb :) that addresses what you mentioned here:

However—and this is the key--the probe will discern a future with slightly less resolution than the present materializes, in an inverse relationship to the distance the probe moves into the future. We can observe the mathematics underlying this dynamic in chaos theory and by the Lorez attractor.

23026

You can see the time cones mentioned as "everyone" expects "reality" to be. The being is at the red 0 point in the experience (call experience reality moment).

The technique is called "flattening" backward time perspective and forward time perspective (advanced and retarded wavefronts) are dealt with. You will notice there is a horizontal group of waves with a blue color towards the future and a red color towards the back. The two time cones are changed in perspective, as shown, moved upwards outwards, in essence flattening the dimensional structure according to the geometry. When that is done, one is in quantum allness space and there is no movement nor time progression forward or backward, all outcomes are simultaneously accessible to the "0".

this whole process leaves one very important function out. THAT IS the power of a spirit.

If you COULD predict a future lottery event you then add in your thought process which hits up against the REVERSE VECTOR SYSTEM we are in and you added the one NEW CREATION that would possible alter that future.

I played at gambling in Las Vegas and I once went into a casino and just decide the entire casino and me were ONE. I put out the thought, "what is the weakness of this casino?"

and I got, "They are afraid of this rare jewel of a being who sometimes comes into las vegas and wipes them out."

So I assume this beingness of a being who always wins when he comes to Las Vegas

and my space and anchor points suddenly shot out and I owned the casino.

I went to the rolette table and was first trying to predict the next 2 to 1 shot sections and was winning one after another ... then I decided to PUT THE BALL IN THE SECTION I WANTED and I was just winning again and again and again until the girls came up and wanted to go see the show they had there.

I stopped playing got all my money that paid all my losses and paid the entire trip and still had left over.

but when I came back to the casino the next day I could NOT get the control again.

So you see if YOU can get that OT level that can JUST PUT A FUTURE IN EXACTLY you could win everywhere you go. and I know of some OT's that can do this with gambling but they choose NOT TO DO IT because it is NOT ETHICAL and it could COME BACK ON THEM IN THE FUTURE.

just because the casino steals everyone's money doesn't give us the right to steal from them. Ethically it will come back on you.

But if you managed to remove all of those agreed upon agreements you made to the ethics we created along with this universe.

YOU COULD IN TRUTH RUN IT ALL EXACTLY THEY WAY YOU WANT AND NOTHING WILL COME BACK ON YOU.

but that is a BIG amount of considerations YOU WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE FROM YOUR PAST AGREEMENTS

jim

T Smith
3rd November 2013, 03:58
owww my brain hurts, but I LOVE IT - TargeT - that pretty much is brilliant, but may I add, what IF, the whole omniverse is a quantum cube, and every outcome already exists, and all we do is just jump around different frozen threads believing we are moving in time.

I am adding a pix to describe a bread crumb :) that addresses what you mentioned here:

However—and this is the key--the probe will discern a future with slightly less resolution than the present materializes, in an inverse relationship to the distance the probe moves into the future. We can observe the mathematics underlying this dynamic in chaos theory and by the Lorez attractor.

23026

You can see the time cones mentioned as "everyone" expects "reality" to be. The being is at the red 0 point in the experience (call experience reality moment).

The technique is called "flattening" backward time perspective and forward time perspective (advanced and retarded wavefronts) are dealt with. You will notice there is a horizontal group of waves with a blue color towards the future and a red color towards the back. The two time cones are changed in perspective, as shown, moved upwards outwards, in essence flattening the dimensional structure according to the geometry. When that is done, one is in quantum allness space and there is no movement nor time progression forward or backward, all outcomes are simultaneously accessible to the "0".

this whole process leaves one very important function out. THAT IS the power of a spirit.



Not really, jiminii. Spirit is what collapses the wave function; it is the wave function itself. Physicists call it consciousness, but spirit works for me.

ExomatrixTV
1st December 2023, 20:40
The Simple Reason Why (Almost) Nobody Could Defeat Napoleon:

OLo-K2_AyHs