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Bubu
28th September 2013, 06:16
I am a bit confused with regards to this subject as most of the times mind and spirit is used interchangeably. So I concluded that many is also confuse but let me be the one dare clarify it. What will be put forward is only my own understanding and to be honest a bit cloudy so I made this post to learn and share ideas as well. So feel free to present your own understanding.
It’s been said that man is consist of mind body and spirit. Some people also believe that the body or physical is an illusion.
My understanding is that man is mind and spirit that manifest in body/physical or 3D. Mind is the consciousness which can pervade to all dimensions but the spirit is energy that is only dense enough to manifest in 3D. Thus human is mind and spirit in 3D. Other beings are mind and spirit that manifest in other dimensions.
In many cases spirituality is referred to accessing the inner or higher self or consciousness. Confused me.
A metaphor of my understanding would be an airship as the spirit manifested in 3D and the pilot being the consciousness. And in order for the being to reach its destination both the mind and spirit should be in good working order. If the pilot fails he will crash the airship conversely if the airship malfunction it will bring down the pilot with it, that is if the pilot is not able to eject with his chute on. So consciousness or mind may continue to exist during the demise of spirit which is represented by the demise of the 3D manifestation which is the body.
What is so confusing is that we have so many terms which we do not have much understanding so let’s simplify:
Mind = consciousness
Spirit= energy or precisely combination of different waveform energies splice together to form spirit.
3D = 3rd plane
Human = being of consciousness and energy manifested in 3rd plane
Emotion= state of consciousness. Whether the mind is sad or happy

Now how do we take care of the spirit or energy? When we eat we are extracting energy from the food to keep the spirit going strong. Also by virtue of our prana processors we can gather energy from the atmosphere. Exercise serves to tune the different waveforms contained in the spirit.
Now for the mind or the consciousness. I would suggest that to keep the pilot healthy it should consist only of positive vibes.
Goodwill- no bad intentions
Love- caring for everyone and everything not just self
Happy- not sad:playball:
Peace- no worry no guilt no fear. No preparing to survive; no fear of what the future may bring; no saving the world because everything is perfectly as it should be.
So now it is obvious why the controller wants to keep us in fear and survival mode. The intention is to keep the pilot (consciousness) derailed so that the being will not reach its destination. And to keep our body,oooooppss, "spirit" weak by spraying us with bad energies (chemicals) that destroys the harmony of energies in the spirit.

Steer away from pear porn and distractions:cool:
And keep your body, ooooppss, energies in top shape

spiritguide
28th September 2013, 10:03
The definitions for terminology used must be objective and generally accepted for dialog to ensue. When this understanding is subjective then it merely becomes a play on words. IMHO

Peace!

S-L
28th September 2013, 12:26
Interesting topic of conversation for sure - relevant to all of us (I'm assuming everyone participating on this forum has a body, mind and Spirit) Definitions are important, but I think what's even more important is honoring the proper order of authority within the body-mind-Spirit complex. Working on this is true spiritual training.

"The car is supposed to serve the driver, not the other way around."

"Where can freedom be found? Freedom is found in bringing the mind in service to Knowledge (Spirit). Freedom is found in reversing the order of authority. If you are a slave to your mind, then the order of authority is reversed from what it should be. If the mind cannot be employed, it will run wild. If the mind cannot be directed, it shoots around in all directions. If the mind cannot have authority within you, it will become a slave to other minds in the mental environment." [source (http://newmessage.org/nmfg/Experience_the_New_Message_from_God.html)]

I have read that spiritual growth is the mere re-aligning of the hierarchy within oneself. For most people, the mind is a slave to fulfilling the body's every whim and desire, and the Spirit is something the mind feels it can get something from. A little prayer, a few miracles, and the mind is satisfied. The hierarchy looks something like:

body > mind > Spirit

The re-alignment happens when one realizes that the body is meant to serve the mind. It is a vehicle for self-expression in this world. We need the body, but the mind is it's master. When the body wants that second chocolate bar or a meaningless sexual encounter with that attractive stranger, we need to stand firm and do what's best for us. The mind can and should do this. This is the proper way of things.

Should the mind rule us? It is a limited instrument. It lives in fear. It speculates but does not Know. The mind ultimately must take it's direction from Spirit. That is the nature of true spiritual growth. When the mind can actively be guided by Spirit, or said differently when Spirit can express itself through the body/mind as it's vehicle, then the proper hierarchy has been restored. It looks like this:

Spirit > mind > body

This is The Work. I find it highly challenging. This morning I had two cups of coffee. My mind knows that coffee hurts my body, and yet my body desired it and I gave in...

Bubu
28th September 2013, 14:39
The definitions for terminology used must be objective and generally accepted for dialog to ensue. When this understanding is subjective then it merely becomes a play on words. IMHO

Peace!

You are absolutely correct. may I ask what is the generally accepted definition of each term and how each one factor or interrelate with each other and the self? The problem with definitions is that it is merely copied without analyzing the coherence. What I am trying to do is to define each one such that it fits perfectly into the whole. If we just take definitions and use it without absolute understanding, we become slave to deception.

In my understanding spirit is defined as consciousness and mind is defined as consciousness as well. Can you make distinction?

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The definitions for terminology used must be objective and generally accepted for dialog to ensue. When this understanding is subjective then it merely becomes a play on words. IMHO

Peace!

You are absolutely correct. may I ask what is the generally accepted definition of each term and how each one factor or interrelate with each other and the self? The problem with definitions is that it is merely copied without analyzing the coherence. What I am trying to do is to define each one such that it fits perfectly into the whole. If we just take definitions and use it without absolute understanding, we become slave to deception.

In my understanding spirit is defined as consciousness and mind is defined as consciousness as well. Can you please make distinction?

Knowrainknowrainbows!
28th September 2013, 15:04
Interesting topic of conversation for sure - relevant to all of us (I'm assuming everyone participating on this forum has a body, mind and Spirit) Definitions are important, but I think what's even more important is honoring the proper order of authority within the body-mind-Spirit complex. Working on this is true spiritual training.

"The car is supposed to serve the driver, not the other way around."

"Where can freedom be found? Freedom is found in bringing the mind in service to Knowledge (Spirit). Freedom is found in reversing the order of authority. If you are a slave to your mind, then the order of authority is reversed from what it should be. If the mind cannot be employed, it will run wild. If the mind cannot be directed, it shoots around in all directions. If the mind cannot have authority within you, it will become a slave to other minds in the mental environment." [source (http://newmessage.org/nmfg/Experience_the_New_Message_from_God.html)]

I have read that spiritual growth is the mere re-aligning of the hierarchy within oneself. For most people, the mind is a slave to fulfilling the body's every whim and desire, and the Spirit is something the mind feels it can get something from. A little prayer, a few miracles, and the mind is satisfied. The hierarchy looks something like:

body > mind > Spirit

The re-alignment happens when one realizes that the body is meant to serve the mind. It is a vehicle for self-expression in this world. We need the body, but the mind is it's master. When the body wants that second chocolate bar or a meaningless sexual encounter with that attractive stranger, we need to stand firm and do what's best for us. The mind can and should do this. This is the proper way of things.

Should the mind rule us? It is a limited instrument. It lives in fear. It speculates but does not Know. The mind ultimately must take it's direction from Spirit. That is the nature of true spiritual growth. When the mind can actively be guided by Spirit, or said differently when Spirit can express itself through the body/mind as it's vehicle, then the proper hierarchy has been restored. It looks like this:

Spirit > mind > body

This is The Work. I find it highly challenging. This morning I had two cups of coffee. My mind knows that coffee hurts my body, and yet my body desired it and I gave in...

This is how I understand the relationship of all 3. Now, may I ask how the concept of "soul" corresponds?
With gratitude,

KRKR

S-L
28th September 2013, 15:35
This is how I understand the relationship of all 3. Now, may I ask how the concept of "soul" corresponds?
With gratitude,

KRKR

I remember talking about this with someone a few days ago. It's not always clear what people mean when they bring up words like "Spirit" and "Soul", is it? I'm sure there's a wide variety of perspectives on this, depending on what spiritual or intellectual tradition you're coming from.

For my part, I'll present the New Message from God (http://newmessage.org/nmfg/Experience_the_New_Message_from_God.html) perspectives, but I'd be extremely interested in hearing your point of view. Here are three quotes from various texts:



"What is the Soul? The Soul is the part of you that God created, that is permanent and that existed before this life and will continue beyond this life. The question arises, then, what is Knowledge (Higher Self / Spirit) that you speak of? Knowledge is the part of your Soul that has not separated from God, and thus is able to respond to the will of God."

"Your Soul, in your experience—living in a state of separation—is the part of your permanent identity that has separated from God, but since you can’t completely separate from God, the part of you that did not separate from God represents your saving Grace. Reunite the Soul with Knowledge (Higher Self / Spirit), and the Soul is complete, and separation within the Soul has been ended."[1]

"Part of the Soul is journeying through life as a separate entity, unaware and afraid of confronting its true reality, and part of the Soul that has never left God goes along, but it is responding to something very different and is a very different kind of intelligence."

Dorjezigzag
28th September 2013, 15:49
While we like to separate these polarities for the sake of description and understanding, in actuality they do not exist there is no separation. Hense the yin yang, or in regard to your description the tri-yin-yang

http://gender-sphere.0catch.com/aniyinyang.gif

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn93/Zyke_04/th_540px-Yin-Yang-Yuan_Symbolsvg-1.png

Spirit is often equated with mind because thoughts in a material sense do not seem to have form although of course they actually do and science has increasingly shown us this. If you are coming from essence your thoughts will be in harmony with essence, mind and spirit will be connected, if on the other hand your thoughts are not your own then you will not be coming from essence, from spirit, you will be coming from someone else s mind. You will be without spirit.

The mind body split has been seen to be the result of patriarchal beliefs such as the direction of the Christian church, but it can be seen in many of the religions and beliefs systems of today, distorted by those that like to have control of the population. They do not want you to have your own mind, your spirit, they want to impose their own mind on you so that you will do their bidding.

The body can also be a manifestation of spirit. Look at the radiance of Moses, Christ and the Buddha who experienced an enlightenment in the physical body. The distortion of teachings and separation is what has led to the definition of the body as evil and sinful and to ridiculous misunderstandings such as a lot of the New Age ascension beliefs.

The body is a great place to find connection with spirit and find wholeness, and often a great indicator of where we are going wrong, we need to bring together these fragments from separation.

spiritguide
28th September 2013, 15:57
Webster's Dictionary...

Origin of SPIRIT
Middle English, from Anglo-French or Latin; Anglo-French, espirit, spirit, from Latin spiritus, literally, breath, from spirare to blow, breathe

First Known Use: 13th century

Related to SPIRIT
Synonyms
psyche, soul

Full definition at link....

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spirit

Could Spirit in it's essence be flow? Could consciousness be the pathway of the flow?

The body is composed of a few billion cells or more working together to balance the aura (magnetic field) to provide sentience (input) to the pathway. All systems have flow.

Peace!

Dorjezigzag
28th September 2013, 16:11
Webster's Dictionary...

Origin of SPIRIT
Middle English, from Anglo-French or Latin; Anglo-French, espirit, spirit, from Latin spiritus, literally, breath, from spirare to blow, breathe

First Known Use: 13th century

Related to SPIRIT
Synonyms
psyche, soul

Full definition at link....

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spirit

Could Spirit in it's essence be flow? Could consciousness be the pathway of the flow?

The body is composed of a few billion cells or more working together to balance the aura (magnetic field) to provide sentience (input) to the pathway. All systems have flow.

Peace!

Finding your inner flow is a big part of yoga ( union with god, essence, flow whatever you want to call it)

but this is not 'going with the flow' in the understanding we have in the west which basically just means just go along with everyone else, follow the herd.

It is identifying your inner flow and staying true to it no matter if it goes against the herd, easier said than done. We all go with the flow but unfortunately for most people it is not their own .

I always find it interesting that words associated with money have water associations. The river bank, cash flow, liquidity, currency and of course its use is governed by maritime law. This is the flow that most follow the flow of money, ignoring their inner flow.

Bubu
28th September 2013, 23:21
Hello Dorjezigzag,

You have provided something that is certainly worth a deeper look.
we have so many terms, and I think it is intentional, to confused us. What I am trying to do here is define human being the simplest way.

to confuse us there the soul, spirit, higher self, higher consciousness, Mind, conscious mind subconscious mind, super conscious mind, body and perhaps some more. What I am trying to do is reconcile science and religion which to me is not separate.

In science matter or body or physical represents energy, in other words When different wave forms combines and is splice together to be dense enough to manifest in 3D then a body or matter appears. So it is the energy or spirit that is real just as you are real as a person and your name represents you. so name= body in comparison; body is not real it merely is a representation, in the 3D, of the energies/spirit contained. When the body dies it simply means that the energy changes density thus it does not manifest in 3D. This is how I see things, by listening to myself, I don't copy it from somewhere.

So essentially human is spirit and consciousness only that is kept alive by continuous flow as you describe