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blufire
28th September 2013, 20:42
To wit: blufire, your sense of rage and outrage is almost certainly not primarily at Jim. I ask you if it's been there all the time, not fully processed.

I'm as sure as I can be that what you THOUGHT Jim was saying just triggered it, and is himself NOT the cause. This then presents an opportunity to look at what exactly makes you so angry. This anger shows itself quite often, and to grab it by the tail and look at it closely is a gift.

This partial post of Bill’s is from . . . . .

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63624-How-do-I-get-to-Ecuador/page3 post #45


The following is an explanation or reason (primarily) behind my anger and utter frustration.

There is thread after thread post after post on this forum that discusses current events that hint to WW3, the New World Order /government, ‘when’ the **** hits the fan, extreme natural events that could send us back to the 1800’s or worse. You yourself Bill have posted several threads of insider info that hint and informs of these things.

I have posted about my personal contact with 2 different alien races I had as a child and teenager and that I am now as an adult (after coming back to the mountains where this contact happened) remembering what I was shown. You asked me in the forum and by email to relate what I now remember and know. Bill, you also asked me to send you what I now remember we are up against and facing to be approved and for you to offer suggestions.

We exchanged emails back and forth a few times and you went over my primary first draft of with what I would start a thread. You also (in our emails) suggested fairly strongly that what I have to say would not be accepted or in the least it would be an uphill battle to communicate the messages I received as a child. I also ‘gathered’ from our conversations that I would not be supported by you or other foundational members. Your revisions to my first draft bothered me because those revisions redirected the impact of the seriousness of what we are facing. Your revisions or suggestions made me feel I needed to fall or adhere to a mold or pattern that is already well established on this forum.

This utterly dumbfounded me.

I was an original member from the inception of Project Camelot. I was one of the very few members of Camelot that formed and was an active member of the Ground Crews. I hosted many of the Midwest Ground Crew meetings on my farm in Kansas. I lurked for awhile on the original Project Avalon and finally forced to join during the Charles fiasco. I did not join because of Charles . . . . I joined because in all the hoopla I could not find the posts of my favorite members and so became an actual member so I could navigate the forum more easily. I have supported you and had your back every step of the way through the years even when I didn’t necessarily agree. I have actually implemented in my own life many of the ideals put forth on the forum . . . . . I am very practical, pragmatic and very much a doer. I get done what visionaries envision. I am very good at pulling from thought and making it real. I am very good at integrating dreams and reality.

As you can see from my post count I am not a prolific poster and this is simply because I only post (for the most part) when I am passionate about something or when I feel a need too. I have started very few threads, but the majority of the threads I have started have been popular and (I feel) worthy.

And so I have started this thread.

We ARE at this current time very deep into WW3 and the implementation of the New World Order or One World Government. From this point on we as a global humanity will suffer greatly while this war continues and while the new system is fully integrated and implemented. . . . .this will continue for the next 25+ years. We as a global humanity also face the very distinct reality of a natural disaster that could be a ELE (extinction level event) It is literally just a matter of time . . . the controllers know this and are fully prepared and using this reality and chaos to speed up implementation of the one world government.

We each can choose how this dark time will impact us. There are many things each of us can do to survive and thrive during this time and to come out of the dark period in a very good place . . . .but it will take UNDERSTANDING of what is actually taking place and why this is ultimately a very good thing and as a whole humanity will absolutely “make it this time”.

And so my anger and frustration is that even though I very much am pushed by my “remembering” I know that sharing on this forum (as it seems now) would be a disaster and waste of my time.

I am left brained and logical and this fact, as it would seem, on the forum is not very accepted. Currently the right brained intuitive members are more accepted and even promoted and protected (example: Jim/ Jimini). My logical pragmatic brain and gut tells me that this drama surrounding Jim will result in another Charles type implosion. We will loose members (I will be one of them this time) and the forum will take another step toward its demise or at least become a shadow of its former uniqueness and strength.

I am also something else. I am the type of woman that would be the first of women on the first ship to the Americas. I would be the first woman on the first wagon that settled the west. I am the type of woman that was the first astronaut. I am the type of woman that will be on the first star ship that explores space. I am the type of woman that will stand by a man’s side and fight the fight that needs to fought and never give up. I am tough and strong and yes sometimes out of control. But I listen to reason and intelligent instruction. I can be a mighty asset or force to be reckoned with.

I am the type of woman that forges new ways of life and the paths for others to follow. I also fully understand that after those paths and ways of life are hammered out then it takes other woman (like Christine) to finish the job and create the more spiritual and societal structure and softness and emotion. But we cannot reverse the two very much needed tools. I listen to the compassion women like Christine and Paula teach and I agree. . . . . and I am very capable of integrating all this in my life . . . but with what we are facing now we have to meld the two into a balance of strengths. Do not ask me to be intuitive and meditate good will and heal by thought and emotion. This is foreign to me. This is not my strength. Use my tools and strengths. Women like me are also the divine feminine . . . . we are the physical warriors . . . women like Christine are the spiritual warriors.

Women like me scare the hell out of most men.

The forum is constantly overturning and a new influx of members every few months. This in its self is not a bad thing. What does not help though is at the point the forum as a whole is just getting to the point of connecting very important profound dots and theories, a jim or charles or other drama steps in and blows these connections all to hell. It would seem we as a whole are not able to make it over the hump (so to say) to where we can become the spark that lights the fire to healing the planet and change that would benefit all of humanity.

There is very much a glass ceiling to the further growth of the forum past the initial education and teaching of those just finding the path to Truth and Awareness.

So (I feel and my opinion) either this forum remains a teaching forum and the same threads and posts get regurgitated and recycled time after time . . .we grow and reach a point, self destruct or splint and start all over. Not a bad thing in any way . . . teaching is needed.

Or

We be the change . . .the tough change . . . the real change . . that is purposeful, powerful, healing, balanced, uniting and we usher in a way of life that is bountiful for humanity as a whole as we navigate these 25+ difficult years.

So yes Bill, I am angry and it is a righteous anger. So either my words and anger have merit and truth or I am deluded.

Bill Ryan
28th September 2013, 20:53
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What you say is categorically not true.

I'm fully willing to post my part of my correspondence with you.

What I recommended was an adaptation of some forms of your wording to make it easier for some members to read and consider. I was supporting you in my feedback. I still recommend that you open your thread. I told you I'd support it, and I will.

Dorjezigzag
28th September 2013, 20:59
This thread does not surprise me from a Monsanto apologist;)

Bill Ryan
28th September 2013, 21:05
I'm fully willing to post my part of my correspondence with you.



In fact, here it is. The first message was in acknowledgement of yours.

The second message was my detailed response.

This is copied verbatim, except that I've taken out your real name and one paragraph where I quoted what you had written.

Now, please tell me what you are angry about.


2 September:




Hi, ____

Many thanks indeed for this, and for all the work you've done putting it together. I think you may find that quite a few Avalon members have had similar contact experiences and feel blessed (or burdened!) with significant information.

We've had quite a day on Avalon (as you will have seen!) -- and while I have a few thoughts and suggestions I'd like to offer, what I'd prefer to do is to tackle this properly tomorrow, when I'll copy it to a Word document and add to your (very well-done) draft a few notes and thoughts that might be helpful.

I absolutely understand where you're coming from, and what you sent was very clear to me. What I'd like to do is to kind of escort you through this, if I can help a little, and offer a few suggestions that may minimize the possibility of triggering others. I do think it could be the start of a most valuable discussion.

With my very best wishes, Bill

3 September:




Hi, ____

I copied your proposed thread content to a Word doc (attached) and proposed some amendments. These can be easily summarized:

1) The most trivial first! I changed 'blonde' to 'blond' throughout. A tall blonde is a 6 ft human girl! A tall blond is an ET.

2) In a number of places I changed 'is' to 'may be'. Even though you may be sure that it "IS" -- I would strongly suggest that you make the syntax conditional.

This starts the thinking process within others, makes it seem like you're willing to discuss the possibilities, and are not preaching or enforcing a fixed idea.

You have to go very gently with this stuff. Hitting people over the head with it is unlikely to work well. You need to lead them gently into considering all this as a possibility. The more reasonable and gentle and patient you are, the more friends you'll win.

You've been thinking about this for a long time. Others, when they read it, will be thinking about it for two or maybe three minutes, possibly after a long day at the office or with a child who is sick.

Hence the need to soften it a little. You will have the entire rest of the thread to enlarge on everything as you wish. It's all a matter of timing.

3) Your reference to an ELE (or 'the' ELE) isn't very clear. I didn't even properly understand myself what you meant! I've tried to explain in my comments below what most people understand by the term 'ELE' -- which is a single, catastrophic incident, like an asteroid impact: it's not the same as a 'mass extinction'. As best I know, there have not been any ELEs in mankind's history, yet.

In your responses to posts, bear in mind that you ARE the messenger (after all, none of this is your idea or plan!) -- and that many will say that you may be being used as a kind of 'patsy' (a useful asset) to spread these notions that it has to be this way, and there's no escape, or any other route out of all this. Most will disagree that it has to be the way you describe.

Personally, I don't agree with your thesis (because I think there are other ways through) -- but I'm not going to be aggressive in any replies. Remember, you may be wrong, and you may be being misled yourself... whatever you believe or remember you were told.

* And personally, I have no doubt at all that you're reporting everything you recall and understand as authentically and honestly as possible. That is why I would like you to be heard, and will defend the thread.

You need to be cool, and patient. This is hard for people to hear. And many other forum members have had their profound experiences also (including myself), which present a different story. Untangling and deciphering all this is what we need to do together.

The best part of your proposed post was when you wrote:



[omitted as i do not have your permission yet to quote part of what you wrote]
You'll win friends that way -- by being vulnerable and open and honest and not totally certain. Others will identify with that...and listen.

With my best wishes -- Bill

blufire
28th September 2013, 21:12
Interesting that you would personal and private correspondence (partial) between you and I.

Bill Ryan
28th September 2013, 21:15
Interesting that you would personal and private correspondence (partial) between you and I.

I can share anything I've written. Not anything that you have written.

I'm pleased you're online (but pretty soon I'm going to take the dog for a walk before the sun sets).

Tell me what the **** you found objectionable about my response. You wrote here:


So either my words and anger have merit and truth or I am deluded.

Your words and anger do NOT have merit.

Sierra
28th September 2013, 21:17
Anyone can post their own material. Nothing interesting there.

Flash
28th September 2013, 21:19
I would very much like to read anything you have to say blufire. Your posts to me were solid, and yes, left brain. We need both.

1. We need to pull altogether, men and women, left and right brained, old an Young, at this time.

2. Spiritual and physical warriors are needed, transforming people at all levels are needed. These warriors are mostly uncomfortable for most people though. We have to live with this.

3. The Wise, the sage, are needed as well. The problem with warriors is that they are passionate and in the action fire they forget to see/listen to the sage messages - those messages are not for diminishing the strenght of the interventions, but for giving it a purposeful very efficient direction.

4. You may not understand Jimini, to tell the truth, I often do not either, but I do feel him.

As all Wise ones, words are not their cup of tea usually. On the thread that he opened about leaving Thailand, when I came to post, I felt that I needed his energy to have the might in me come out in writing.

The thread was transeferred elsewhere and I had the taste to write "please Jimmini, come back to stir the pot again, so that caracters and might comes out in the open. This is HIS talent - very far, in fact opposite, to the Charles talents that were self servicing or servicing some dark masters. I do not think the forum will fall because of Jimini (truly like Jimini in Pinochio).

5. However, I do think that both of us, you and me, and people like us, need to stop during the battle and look around, feel the field, see the direction and then decide where to put our physical/mental energies.

We have a few of Avalonians that can be our lighthouses. If you do not see the light of one of these, ok, lets check the others.

6. I often fall on the nerves of those that are the lighthouses, for my passion (perceived as worthless emotions sometimes) or what seems sometimes, to them, my slow understanding (spiritually speaking).

But nevertheless, when understanding is integrated to my actions, nothing can stop me, with sometimes slow, sometimes fast, implementation. I think we both need the Jiminis of this world to start our fire blufire. And he has not much to do with it really, just his presence does it.

(I must say that I am sensitive to men's ego (the wrong one), and react to it because of our history and because I believe that humanity has to listen to his half to be on the breathing/living path. This is a absolute necessity).

7. All you/I need is love and support while you/I are in the action. No justification needed I am sure. No requirement of justification, just plain and intelligent support. You feel this, you will be great (me too by the way).

However, the pitfall is not to stop in order to observe, listen, see and oriente yourself/myself for efficiency - this I/we have to remind ourselves constantly. A battle is won with light, Wisdom, intelligence and passion, no less.


ouf... I do not know if I am clear, but if not, please react.

Christine
28th September 2013, 21:26
Oh geez, the amount of misconceptions and misrepresentations are staggering. But right now I am going to walk my dog too.

Tesla_WTC_Solution
28th September 2013, 21:34
LOL, you guys are going to make someone start quoting "Anchorman" again....

LOUD NOISES! I LOVE LAMP!

9kS9fNb1XnU

gId6nrMDmUU

transiten
28th September 2013, 21:34
Rumi is the poet that combines fire and water, action and meditation, male and female, wrath and compassion...

Flash
28th September 2013, 21:41
Just read Bill's post, after having posted.

Bill is a teacher Blufire. He just wrote you things in terms of syntax and knowledge of humans that most good and real teachers know. He was a trainer for adults in different work environments and it shows. He had given these kinds of comments thousands of times in the work environments, for a pay. He now gave it to you for free. Why not take it.

And he knows how forums work.

If I were to say how I do my work, this, what he wrote you, could be a sample I would use. There was nothing personal in it. Just plain training/teaching.

So please, LETS STOP, observe, look around, feel the field, accept the few inputs you had to help you manage around, and START YOU THREAD GOD DAMIT. Throw it here, I want to read.

Sierra
28th September 2013, 21:47
Well... I don't think I am going to sit around and wait for the forum to implode, too boring for words.

Almost as boring as reading a DW type exposition of I am this, I am that, I am the type... You want a marching band along with that?

If the forum does implode, you can say "I told you so." How exciting will that be. :bored:

Maunagarjana
28th September 2013, 21:54
I'd just like to point out, without actually having heard what blufire was shown, that lots of things have changed in the preceding decades, and that just because ETs show catastrophic outcomes to people doesn't mean it will happen. I seem to recall that Bill was shown some things in a past life that he doesn't think will come to pass. I think oftentimes they show the worst case scenario to let at least some people know what could happen.

It could be that we are actually on a very positive timeline at present in comparison to where we could be. It may not seem like it, with some of the things going on (Fukushima, Syria, etc.) but maybe we've already dodged some major bullets and could be poised to do more of that. I do not think anything is set in stone or fated. I don't think that's how the universe or time works. Those worst case scenarios will happen on some timeline or another, I think, but that does not mean you or I will experience them. About Jimmini, I can't make any sense of his posts and tend to just ignore him. So, I understand your frustration, blufire.

sandy
28th September 2013, 22:17
Dear Flash,

I admire your ability to take things to yourself and assess where you are coming from and much to my joy it takes being in touch with your EMOTIONS at all times. Emotions are our teachers IMHO and investigating them especially when we are triggered often reveals more about ourselves than we care to admit or own up to. Your honesty is refreshing and kudo's to you for role modeling Personal Integrity first and foremost. This is the answer to all our inequalities and injustices in life and goes back to being the change we want to see....................

It is disheartening that we can only promote change, one individual at a time (self) and that often we are very alone in affecting those around us even by our role modeling but then we are the fore runners of this paradigm shift.

Hang in and Hang on one and all as the path can be long and hard at times but change is happening!!! and for myself that is what I "know" and hang onto. :)

indigopete
28th September 2013, 22:19
Interesting that you would personal and private correspondence (partial) between you and I.

I think he was entitled to given that you made your grievances public.



Women like me scare the hell out of most men

The words "toys" and "pram" spring to mind.

Tesla_WTC_Solution
28th September 2013, 22:21
Muse
Angelos
Messenger

-- those are things we all can be.
But they are things we have to put away when we are done,
or we drive the rest crazy.

Heartsong
28th September 2013, 22:28
Golly, personality and role conflicts before the tread is even posted! I hope this is not a sign of progress.

I would rather read the post about the contact with the aliens than read about the conflict. I can manage my response to it regardless of it's syntax.

gripreaper
28th September 2013, 22:31
The personality window has four quadrants. Above the horizontal line, you have the energy spend types and below the horizontal line you have the energy conserves. This pattern is laid down during the birth process and is core, visceral, and cellular and cannot be changed.

The vertical line in the window is the right brain intuitive and the left brain logical. These two sides generally have a primary dominant and a secondary supportive aspect. The predominance of the side of the brain is laid down through experience and is often referred to as societal and environmental influences.

So, those who are left brain energy spend are said to be “type A” personalities, the producers of the movie we call life (or Hollywood) the financiers. They have the overall logical vision on how the script of the movie is to become a reality, or how the vision of the business is to be implemented, and are unwavering. They make the best leaders and are often the CEO’s of corporations, as their vision is irrefutable from their vantage point. It’s the “my way or the highway” types.

The right brain energy spend intuitives are the actors, the sanguine outgoing fun and gregarious stage presence, who perform the play on stage. They see the vision of the script and act it out to its utmost perfection. They exude energy and passion, are the artisan’s, poets and musicians.

Below the horizontal line, where the energy conserve logical left brains reside, they are the directors, the supporters of the drama. They make sure things get done, are very methodical, and offer the best support for the vision. They are always looking for the fastest, easiest way to get things done with the least amount of energy expenditure, although they are very hard working.

The energy conserve right brain intuitives are the writers, but also the audience who enjoys the movie and comments on the merits of its execution, the energy which the production is meant to foster. They are the calm gentle types who are willing to be in the background and watch while offering their right brain critical intuitiveness in a conservative fashion.

It takes all four of the elements to make a movie. All four panes of the window, the producers, directors, actors and writers are necessary for the production of the movie we call life to manifest. The elemental counterparts of these are earth, air, fire and water. All creation has these four elements. These elements dance together in unison for the great play to manifest.

To say that one aspect is better than another, or that we should marginalize or objectify the energy out of balance, will not pull off a very good production. If one aspect becomes dominant, like it occasionally does on this forum, others will feel left out and will choose not to participate in the drama, not to add their respective parts in the production of the play of life.

The sanguine actor loves it when the melancholy director listens and encourages the scenes, and the passionate producer loves it when the director and the writers support the vision. We must learn to recognize all four elements, all four personality types (yes, even the type A leaders who have the most difficult time doing so) or the movie will not manifest.

Could this forum implode? Sure it could. If we lose all those who are willing to foster a new paradigm and we continue to regurgitate the same old ideas, then this forum will become just another alternative news site. Blufire is correct about this. I, for one encourage her to bring forth her production and vision, but to please let the directors, actors and writers do their job too. Then, and only then, will we be able to make an epic movie, the likes of which has never been done before.

{edit}

One more thing. I do believe it is the type A feminine which will lead us out of this mess, towards a balanced unity, dismantling the patriarchal bias and polarization, without throwing the baby out with the bath water. It's time to let the likes of blufire and we-R-one, Christine, Paula, Ulli, etc. speak... and lead... and direct... and act... and write...

Flash
28th September 2013, 22:31
Golly, personality and role conflicts before the tread is even posted! I hope this is not a sign of progress.

I would rather read the post about the contact with the aliens than read about the conflict. I can manage my response to it regardless of it's syntax.

Innocent looking cats are always the wisest - short and simple, eat the dam mouse. We will check at worms later.

Christine
28th September 2013, 22:32
I love Rumi....



Out beyond ideas of wrong-doing and right-doing,
there is a field.
I'll meet you there.

When the soul lies down in that grass,
the world is too full to talk about.
Ideas, language, even the phrase
each other
doesn't make any sense.

Rumi
(Sufi Mystic 1207-1273 A.D.)


Rumi is the poet that combines fire and water, action and meditation, male and female, wrath and compassion...

christian
28th September 2013, 22:39
I think considering what is just around the corner

What's 'just around the corner', as best you know, believe, suspect or understand?

This is an honest-to-god, straight-as-an-arrow question. I would love to know what you think may be ahead.

Bill and All,

Your question is a highly important and urgent one.

So important that I feel strongly I need to give it appropriate time and lengthy answer. I actually have voiced my views and they are spread in various threads, but I feel a localized thread would be more prudent.

I spent way too much time on the forum Saturday and am currently way behind in several things in living a self sustained lifestyle. I will be up into the morning hours canning and freezing vegetables and fruit.

I will try to start a thread tomorrow and begin fleshing out what I now see our future to be.

blufire, that post of yours is from one month ago.

Your (non-)actions speak louder than your words.

Does it make you feel better when you say that Bill is mean to you, although he´d been very supportive of you? Even though I told him him very clearly that in my opinion you are mainly just a lot of hot air and idiocy with a lot of self-praise, he still chose to devote a good amount of his time to communicate with you and encourage you, because he saw or sees something in you that I don´t see. But I think you now just confirm my opinion with this thread here.

You claim that logic is not appreciated on the forum, I think that´s just as stupid as supporting Monsanto. Ah right, you´re doing exactly that! :)

This is some of what Bill said to jiminii publicly:


PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE apply logic and critical thinking to this kind of material. Jim, you're inadvertently relaying disinformation (partly false info) and misinformation (wholly false info) that simply confuses people and makes you look silly.


I would venture to suggest, with genuine respect, that you are being extremely naive.

I had sent a PM to you on August 2nd of 2012 after you made a post on a thread about the Galactic Federation of Light. You wrote something about how mass arrests by some white knights are a pipe dream and that we should rather do some real work. Then you went on to describe what you´re working on, so I wrote this to you:


Your efforts to create a better world are wonderful, please go on (doing it) :)

I made volunteering my lifestyle somehow, I'd love to visit the US one day, right now I'm also thinking about visiting Vilcabamba this year, anyways do you need any volunteers that work for food and accommodation? I'm asking, because I'm interested in working with you but if I wouldn't come around, maybe you'd find some workers by sharing information about your project on www.workaway.info, www.helpx.net or www.wwoofusa.org.

all the best
Chris

You never even answered me. Again, your (non-)actions speak louder than your words.

Sierra
28th September 2013, 22:48
I would rather read the post about the contact with the aliens than read about the conflict. I can manage my response to it regardless of it's syntax.

There is no post about the alien contact. It has been promised in several (three or four threads that I've seen) places, but never delivered. Bill practically begged her to post on it at one point. He has bent over backwards and tied himself in knots, written quite a few teaching posts... blufire promises, but does not keep her word. I don't know what that is about, why she brings it up repeatedly but...

Sunny-side-up
28th September 2013, 22:48
You all make sense to me, I Love you all, I wan't to hear you all, I want you all to stay together!
You all make sense to me your humans, this is who we are.
I am Right Brained, I am Left Brained, I am whole Brained, I chose to be how I wan't to be at any given time, I can do that.
I CAN BE VERY, VERY DARK (VERY DARK) but I don't chose to be!
I CAN BE VERY, VERY LIGHT (VERY LIGHT) but never as LIGHT as I wan't to be, but I'm sure I will be!

This is a very unique place this Avalon. The minds, the spirits, the souls, the beings and energies that gravitate here are all very unique as well! but the fore mentioned are so unique and make this is the place a place of Humanity and evolution.
We can see deeper, higher, further than most we just need to hold together until we all can see clearer and merge our brain halved selves, combine our strengths and experiences and knowledges; if we (Avalons) can't do that all so simple little thing well then! Well then!
Well I know we can!

Sierra
28th September 2013, 22:52
You all make sense to me, I Love you all, I wan't to hear you all, I want you all to stay together!
You all make sense to me your humans, this is who we are.
I am Right Brained, I am Left Brained, I am whole Brained, I chose to be how I wan't to be at any given time, I can do that.
I CAN BE VERY, VERY DARK (VERY DARK) but I don't chose to be!
I CAN BE VERY, VERY LIGHT (VERY LIGHT) but never as LIGHT as I wan't to be, but I'm sure I will be!

This is a very unique place this Avalon. The minds, the spirits, the souls, the beings and energies that gravitate here are all very unique as well! but the fore mentioned are so unique and make this is the place a place of Humanity and evolution.
We can see deeper, higher, further than most we just need to hold together until we all can see clearer and merge our brain halved selves, combine our strengths and experiences and knowledges; if we (Avalons) can't do that all so simple little thing well then! Well then!
Well I know we can!

Woohoooo, bumpity bump bump!

Christine
28th September 2013, 22:55
Heartsong...

I so agree with you! blufire has been hinting and saying whe would tell her story for the best part of five months, if not longer. I have PMed her to let her know that I would support her. I am honestly beyond judgement, as I have my own experiences, insights and have befriended dozens of people who have shared their intimate journeys. Tales that would make your hair stand on end. Through all of these experiencers, contactees, MKUltra survivors, targeted individuals, satanically abused there is a common thread. And yes these amazing stories are part of all of human experiences. In fact anyone who has been on Avalon for very long knows that we are all "guided", fooled and BEcoming wiser, clearer and more able to discern the lie from the truth.

If blufire thinks that her story is unique and has a message we need to hear then please tell it. Bill offered to protect her and her thread.

At this point I am tired of the hinting and then scournful hurting messages. What blufire wrote above is a gross misrepresentation of the enormous support she has recieved and refuses to acknowledge.

blufire, I thank you for the kind words toward me but they are only a tiny part of who I am. I am not some always sweet Spiritual Warrior that doesn't have spark when I need it.

And blufire beyond all of what I said - I have enormous love and compasssion for you but please stop biting the hand reached out.

And please stop playing games. The issues you describe are real and not being ignored. I never rest spiritually or physically and was looking forward to a movie tonight instead of trying to put out fires.

No, Avalon is not imploding.... what a hostile and unhelpful thread title.
WE ARE ADDRESSING EVERYDAY THE VERY REAL DANGERS YOU SPEAK OF.

With no irony blufire, you are loved but couldn't you think of a better way to address the seriousness of our situation other than brewing controversy and divisiness?

I have always thought we are on the SAME SIDE.



Golly, personality and role conflicts before the tread is even posted! I hope this is not a sign of progress.

I would rather read the post about the contact with the aliens than read about the conflict. I can manage my response to it regardless of it's syntax.

RunningDeer
28th September 2013, 23:54
Oh dear it took so long to write my post, I'm behind and what I wrote may not fit. Partly because I haven't figured out what this thread is about. So feel free to delete...

I’m itching to get on with things. I don’t want to eat beans out of a cold can for the rest of my life. I’m thinking I’ll be around until I’m 140 years old. (no that’s not a typo) That’s a hell of a lotta beans and farts (fots if you live on the East Coast of the USA). So these are some recent experiences that say ‘almost time’:

Two weeks or so ago, I saw what I’ve labeled an ET vehicle three nights in a row around 11:30 p.m. Two of those nights, I checked again at about 2:30 a.m. it was still there. These are my official first sightings that blinked back red, green and white lights each time I pass along a ‘hello there’.

Next, I put it out into the Universe for confirmation about the whether the mantis family was real or was it imaginary when I was about six to eight years old. Below the next paragraph was what I posted elsewhere. What I didn’t include was the question as to whether they were real and they were mantis visits.

But first, here’s a quick backdrop: S/he was a mantis that wore a hooded cloak. Two little ones (twins) came along that I got to play with. I recall laying at the foot of my bed looking up at the sky hot summer nights. They’d come exactly @ 2:10 a.m. I know this because I’d get up to go to the bathroom and check the old radio clock. When it was time for them to go, they’d leave me song and colors that filled the bedroom the way it looks under a microscope and all the colors bump into one another and create buzzy static. I was never fearful nor thought to mention it to any one.

I’ve post parts of this before, but I think I’ve removed them because IT IS NOT WORTH THE HASSLE of people saying I am implanted and of no “Paula mind”. Frankly, I’d like to give up the “Paula mind” part and figure out where I fit into this whole larger perspective that... I know is absolutely right and true for me. If not “beam me up Scotty, stat.!”


One more thing....maybe a suggestion for homework. As a person gets closer to their true reality,
they will read a thread like this, and if they deeply care about Napoleon he will suddenly pop up all over the place...
A book, or magazine, or they enter a house where someone has a picture on the wall of Napoleon Bonaparte...
And with enough synchronicities of this kind they might just discover that they have entered another world, one that is more real than the world of the skeptics out there.

Yes! This is how it happens with me. One of the recent examples was an ah-ha moment when I was younger and asked for further “yup(s)”. Over the course of three days, I got four confirmations.


Day one, a praying mantis peeks through my screen door. (see desktop picture I made of it)
Day two, one fluttered around me and landed on a shopping cart, which was out of her element.
Then on day three, you provided a link to your son’s art (http://www.somefield.com). (see pic below)
The same day, the exact moment I was thinking about the mantis(s) that flew into my life, a talk show guest brought up the praying mantis.

It works that way for me because I know it does, and so does the Universe.

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/praying_mantis_zps6d4990fd.jpg

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/praying_mantis2_zps162c239c.jpg
:wave:

So even with all that, I still hold to maybe, maybe not...cool either way. For me, recall little at a time is/was necessary. If it came all at once I wouldn’t have believed it. I’m still on the fence. I’m getting bits of triggers from others’ shares. But careful and skeptical that I don’t create a false portfolio of Paula layers.

I’m going slow with it all not because I am a fearful person. In private, I am a Warrior. I am disgustingly logical. In fact, I’m my own worst skeptic! Hear that, please. Which is why I alway self-check to a point where I beginning to think I’m OCD (obsessive-compulsive disorder) in the quest. And eager for...if change is going to happen... then bring it because I’ve got my life on hold in some respects because as mentioned in another post:

This semi-hibernation state I’m in is preparation and rest. I’ve got my services hats ‘at the ready’: a hard hat, a base ball cap, a bad a$$ hat and a whoopie hat. When things ramp up, those of us that are aware will not feel it like those whom are not. There’ll be a whole lotta confused ones.

One caveat: So, I’m open to what you have to share, blufire. I am ADD and judgmental. Still working on those, so I may skip town to ground. Nothing personal. And it’s not my style to go loud and stomp. It’s unproductive for me and drains the juices that I'm saving up for the sleepy heads awakening or up-coming land changes or whatever ah-ha’s of why I’ve come at this time.

In fact, I’ve felt so strongly about what’s coming on one level ever since the early 1990‘s, that I left the clock world in 2004. In one nano-second I went from security of career of more than 25 years, to I GOTTA live a simple life and sort out all these puzzle pieces out. Way, way before I knew of Avalon, archons, and all the rest which is as recent as October, 2011 and signed up for the forum by February, 2012. I devote all my waking and sleeping hours to the zero point that is about to present. [relative speak here]

What do I see? The good stuff that we’ve wanted for our kids and grand kids. Different looking plants and animals. Lands of beauty and filled with song. Maybe it’s because I’m somewhere else. Who can say, really?

I’m only part-time soft, spoken spiritual warrior. I’ve got a 'don’t mess with Mother Bear' that you’d never want to see. She’s of power, that one. Oh, God...stopping now.....ego's come back on-line.

So a...way we go...


The Lone Ranger
hxIuIxqo2So

Peace,
Paula :wave:

Camilo
29th September 2013, 00:02
Go for it Bluefire!

TODD & NORA
29th September 2013, 00:03
Avalon has a few firefighters - folks who look for fires to put out...so that's one reason we're digging around the ethers. Regarding who's done what...well, I do things other people don't like, and ultimately, the decision must be made to either do nothing or do something. Most efforts prove fruitless it seems, but in the end, everything will work out fine, in spite of our selves. :)

Thanks to all of you for doing what you do, as the perfect expression of who you are, as a part of the singularity of the mind of God.

ulli
29th September 2013, 00:24
Blufire, I really feel that you need to forgive yourself for not having married an adventurer like Richard Branson.
ETs have always appeared in my life whenever I felt alien-ated.
And whenever I bought into their suggestions I ended up meeting myself. So now I thank them.
There is no one but me to blame for where I am right now.


Having made some pretty drastic life style changes myself,
possibly for exactly the same reasons you did, Blufire,
always moving further away from civilization, I can now say
that there have been several moments when I asked myself if it was all really necessary.

Life out there is still going on as normal; I mean... here we are, in 2013,
discovering that it is so much easier buying our produce from the farmers markets than growing it ourselves.
For decades I had believed that there would be a pole shift around the year 2000.
Well, all I know now is that it is I who has shifted, and that some people I know are also shifting,
and that all those expectations of literal earth changes are still trumped
simply when considering that in just a few decades this body of mine will be
in a horizontal position six foot under.

I believe that ETs did something to me, too, and even have restored my frail health for now,
and there is a perfectly logical reason for this.
I am to help others discover what it means to take responsibility for what happens to them,
instead of staying in duality and looking for someone to blame and lash out at.

This means in your case, to point out to you that all the anger you are directing out there, at Bill, or at Jim, or at men in general, is really anger and disappointment at your own decisions, your badass male nature, that has driven you to search for your personal Shangri-la only to discover that it doesn't even exist.
Because if you were happy you wouldn't give a rats ass at what Jiminii or Bill Ryan have to say.

As I said earlier, you should have found yourself a Richard Branson type husband and enjoyed an adventurous life at his side.
Then you could be sticking a middle finger at all those ET who tried to misdirect you,
right up there from that window in outer space.

Debra
29th September 2013, 01:36
This is a cleansing happening right now and not what the PTB probably think is another successful distraction.

No way NSA!

Bring it on everyone, though I can understand how the mods feel about this. Bill and team, I want you guys to know that you are doing a brilliant job.

I do not always agree with someone's ideas - left or right brained logic - but I am happily here because I see, daily, visible signs of members attending to their inner health - spiritual, emotional, intellectual and physical - and working through it with the support of this environment. And that is GOLD blufire! IT is a teaching environment. We are all learning. You, me and the rest of us all have areas that we need to develop to be stronger beings, empowered and empowering to others.

I am triggered, not in a bad way but a passionate way, when you just categorise yourself as just one kind of warrior. That is the kind of duality consciousness that requires so much attention on this planet right now. No one is less than the other, everyone has a piece of the puzzle and I think we are all potentially whole. I am on Avalon to help with my evolution - and the sky is not the limit for me.

I am not going to sing my praises on the kind of warrior I am or have been, or the personal and off the planet experiences and consequent psychic and other attacks that have brought me to this forum. But I will defend the right of myself and others to have a place to learn and develop and express where my thinking may be - on any topic I choose.

I can be a tough mother too in my outside activities - and I have not been a perfect leader at times, yes I get things done but I cannot ignore - in hindsight - how I could have been a better leader who has not left some people distressed in the process. so what I am trying to say is, I am sure as hell not going to avoid the fact that I have some obvious weaknesses too. For example, in my emotional intelligence - my ability for self awareness, social awareness and relationship management have let me down at times. Horrendously, which is painful to realise when you start to see how you feel and how you affect others around you.

But really bluefire, we have planet and ourselves to heal, so I figure I cannot afford to put into denial and pretend I can keep striking forth like Brunhilda or Ghengis Khan. Our whole house needs to be in order and if we can stay mindful of that, we will find the unconditional love, the unity consciousness that is so very much needed to accelerate the big changes that we want for this world. Integrating all areas of our instrument will get us there and that calls for each of us to have a well balanced left and right brain. That is fundamental. I am responsible for my engagement and consequences, nobody else. My work is to ..

Evolve.

I am very grateful that you have started this thread. There are some amazing energies on this forum and minds which I trust will - with me - hold the space for sovereign thought and freedom of expression and personal development to continue.


Best of wishes,
Debra

BruceF
29th September 2013, 03:14
We have had a fair bit of interaction with those buggers up in space (or popping in from higher dimensions) and it has led to us publishing two books. I think starting one forum thread about ones contact is a minuscule effort compared to two books - just go for it and lets get discussing the data THEY gave to you.

And those blooming aliens do not know much more than a keen dedicated researcher from Earth does, they are not much better sources than well informed humans are - take my word for it (if you like).

I have given the ET's the benefit of the doubt regarding their wisdom - now I tend more to doubt the benefits of their wisdom.

Just because they are well-meaning does not equate to them being all-knowing. :happy:

skippy
29th September 2013, 06:37
You all make sense to me, I Love you all, I wan't to hear you all, I want you all to stay together!
You all make sense to me your humans, this is who we are.
I am Right Brained, I am Left Brained, I am whole Brained, I chose to be how I wan't to be at any given time, I can do that.
I CAN BE VERY, VERY DARK (VERY DARK) but I don't chose to be!
I CAN BE VERY, VERY LIGHT (VERY LIGHT) but never as LIGHT as I wan't to be, but I'm sure I will be!

This is a very unique place this Avalon. The minds, the spirits, the souls, the beings and energies that gravitate here are all very unique as well! but the fore mentioned are so unique and make this is the place a place of Humanity and evolution.
We can see deeper, higher, further than most we just need to hold together until we all can see clearer and merge our brain halved selves, combine our strengths and experiences and knowledges; if we (Avalons) can't do that all so simple little thing well then! Well then!
Well I know we can!

Yes, this is it. The boat has arrived. We can close the forum now. Mission accomplished. hehe.. :)

transiten
29th September 2013, 07:40
Here i walk in beauty
Beauty is before me
Beauty is behind me
Above me and below me

The Earth is our Mother
we must take care of her
Heyana hoyana heyana

The Holy Ground we walk upon
with every step we take
Heyana hoyana heyana

skippy
29th September 2013, 08:18
Here i walk in beauty
Beauty is before me
Beauty is behind me
Above me and below me

The Earth is our Mother
we must take care of her
Heyana hoyana heyana

The Holy Ground we walk upon
with every step we take
Heyana hoyana heyana

We are touching sacred ground. A new wonderful world, with infinite possibilities, in front of us..

Sacred (from Latin sacrāre, to set apart as holy), defined as :
- regarded with reverence, respect, etc.,
- secured against violation, infringement, corruption, etc.,
- properly immune from violence, interference, etc..

E2VCwBzGdPM

Sunny-side-up
29th September 2013, 09:37
Hi skippy


You all make sense to me, I Love you all, I wan't to hear you all, I want you all to stay together!
You all make sense to me your humans, this is who we are.
I am Right Brained, I am Left Brained, I am whole Brained, I chose to be how I wan't to be at any given time, I can do that.
I CAN BE VERY, VERY DARK (VERY DARK) but I don't chose to be!
I CAN BE VERY, VERY LIGHT (VERY LIGHT) but never as LIGHT as I wan't to be, but I'm sure I will be!

This is a very unique place this Avalon. The minds, the spirits, the souls, the beings and energies that gravitate here are all very unique as well! but the fore mentioned are so unique and make this is the place a place of Humanity and evolution.
We can see deeper, higher, further than most we just need to hold together until we all can see clearer and merge our brain halved selves, combine our strengths and experiences and knowledges; if we (Avalons) can't do that all so simple little thing well then! Well then!
Well I know we can!

Yes, this is it. The boat has arrived. We can close the forum now. Mission accomplished. hehe.. :)

I'm not sure what you mean by your reply above, to my posting?
Do you get from my posting that I am saying shut the forum, it's all done go home?

I thought I was saying Yes, yes keep going we have all here what is need to merge our selves, in physical and mental was but most importantly the spiritual and connected consensus ways, we are getting there. The more we are set upon by negative energies, negative dark people, those minion of TPTB Well! I see how they are making us stronger and freeing our hidden powers, i'ts happening :wizard:

Yes this post has turned very positive with some great words of wisdom and energies of Golden Hearts. Love your words Zebra
Love you all!

chocolate
29th September 2013, 12:21
Blufire, I tried to read only your first post and Bill's answers, not because I don't want to hear what others have to say, bet because I tried to preserve the clarity of what I sensed.
From what you are saying I think you have a battle inside of you. And I think you are all too serious when it comes to this existence. Life is not at all all that set in stone, and things change constantly, and also what you think you know and have been shown can have an utterly different purpose. My genuinely loving advice to you is to say what you need to say, and not to expect anything as an outcome. We have gather here or elsewhere for many reasons, so you never know where you will learn and what is the purpose of it all. Live with an open mind and try to be like the water, constantly changing. Otherwise frustration will be you enemy.

Don't try to put the blame on someone just because you are not sure what to do. We are friends, at least most of us here, and there is no need to point at someone as jim or Bill, or me.. for being liked or promoted (not that I am promoted, just giving an example). And after all, what does it matter who is promoted? What matters is if your existence here has its purpose which you will never be able to fully understand in this life at least.
If you don't like the place- do what you feel, but if you think there is a reason behind being here, do what you feel you must.

I never understood the desire to be liked, or I understand it but just cannot connect to it anymore. It is important to speak your truth so that others can validate their own understanding, that is why I love jim, and bill, and buares and so many so different members. They all speak what they feel, and help me find my own way of understanding. That is the purpose of their existence in this forum for me personally. But I also take all that has been said with a grain of salt. That is how I am. ... I so hate long posts, but I believe this is important to someone. -> all there is is a learning and experience, there is no wrong turns if you are true to what and who you are. this forum the way it is helped me realize that. and the rest is ... history as they say.

blufire
29th September 2013, 12:26
A very fascinating development this morning.

Bill, I had full intentions this morning to post your revised version of my opening post to get this ball rolling on what I remember of what I was shown as a child

I literally was going to cut and paste your revised version and go with what you recommended.

The fascinating thing is literally every email you have sent me the last couple months is gone from my email account.

Every . . . one . . . of . . . them.

It appears nothing else is gone, but I haven’t had time to go through my account fully yet.


I am not being dramatic here and am actually quite shaken at the moment. I changed my passwords (email and forum) as Paul recommended during the hack. I have changed them again but am feeling very uncertain and vulnerable.

I am posting this on the open forum because I feel this should be out in the open and transparent.

Any thoughts as to what is going on here?

I will not be very available today . . . . I care for my mother who is in stage 3 Alzheimer’s and I will be with her the bulk of the day and I have little to no internet access while with her.

chocolate
29th September 2013, 12:34
Go for it Bluefire!

go for it blufire. whatever you need to do. we'll read it.
I saw today a film- "Man of Tai Chi". See it and tell me who is the main character and who is the good guy, just try not to see the obvious.

transiten
29th September 2013, 12:34
A very fascinating development this morning.

Bill, I had full intentions this morning to post your revised version of my opening post to get this ball rolling on what I remember of what I was shown as a child

I literally was going to cut and paste your revised version and go with what you recommended.

The fascinating thing is literally every email you have sent me the last couple months is gone from my email account.

Every . . . one . . . of . . . them.

It appears nothing else is gone, but I haven’t had time to go through my account fully yet.


I am not being dramatic here and am actually quite shaken at the moment. I changed my passwords (email and forum) as Paul recommended during the hack. I have changed them again but am feeling very uncertain and vulnerable.

I am posting this on the open forum because I feel this should be out in the open and transparent.

Any thoughts as to what is going on here?

I will not be very available today . . . . I care for my mother who is in stage 3 Alzheimer’s and I will be with her the bulk of the day and I have little to no internet access while with her.

Well here's a sync for you blufire! I just moved some books I haven't touched for years and one caught my attention! "The Blue Fire of Alchemy" Modern Arabic poetry. Just posted here about Rumi the 13:th century Sufi Afghan poet....Alchemy: Turning lead to gold, Spiritual Alchemy: ..............Just happened?

Christine
29th September 2013, 12:42
Pure blue fire... in burns in all hearts. Meditating on LOVE, I found this flame.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1048/992486935_edba0f316e_m.jpg

Sierra
29th September 2013, 13:09
Go for it Bluefire!

go for it blufire. whatever you need to do. we'll read it.
I saw today a film- "Man of Tai Chi". See it and tell me who is the main character and who is the good guy, just try not to see the obvious.

Is "Man of Tai Chi" available on YouTube Chocolate? Do you have a link?

Thanks, Sierra :)

blufire
29th September 2013, 13:29
I am on my cell phone so this will be short

I am not being coy or playing games. Those emails are gone.

Bill if you could post tour revised version of my OP i would be good with this. . . A show of faith and working together.

Or resend and i will


I really feel we need to come to the bottom though on what has happened with my email account

Bill Ryan
29th September 2013, 14:07
I am on my cell phone so this will be short

I am not being coy or playing games. Those emails are gone.

Bill if you could post tour revised version of my OP i would be good with this. . . A show of faith and working together.

Or resend and i will

I really feel we need to come to the bottom though on what has happened with my email account

Many thanks, and I've already re-sent to you my two Sept 2 and 3 e-mails verbatim and unaltered, with the Word doc attachment. I think it's all best to come from you, and I would recommend a separate thread started by yourself. We can then close this one as being no longer relevant.

If you want me to start the thread myself, of course I'd be very happy to do so. I will work with you on this and will certainly keep my already-given word to protect the thread.

I spent quite some time and thought reworking your proposed detailed opening post, and I honest-to-god think what I sent back to you is the best, most readable, and most palatable it can be.



(A side note: I too have found some Gmail messages hard to locate. Sometimes the original seems to disappear, and the received text I'm searching for comes up in the quoted text of my reply; and sometimes I delete one message in a conversation (carefully!) and the entire conversation disappears so I have to go fishing it all out of the trash. I suspect, but do not know, that these are bugs in Gmail's functionality and not any targeted conspiracy. But I may be wrong. Back to topic...: )

Here are some explanatory comments for those reading this:


What blufire had sent to me, on 2 September, was the entirety of her proposed long and detailed opening post -- asking for my thoughts.
I made some suggested amendments (not major ones) and gave her some considered feedback on what forms of wording I thought might serve her and her presentation best. I accompanied the recommended amended thread (which I attached separately and have not published anywhere) with some explanatory comments that I copied in my post #4 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63837-Imploding-forum-and-the-next-25-years-of-Darkness&p=736613&viewfull=1#post736613) on this thread.
The material is wide-ranging and of great interest, and should concern every forum member (i.e. I recommend that it deserves their careful attention).
I told blufire that I knew that quite a number of other members had had similar (but non-identical) experiences, and I know from my own experience that it's extremely difficult and challenging to share stuff like this. Many of us have been in this kind of unenviable position.
Therefore I feel that she may be surprised by the amount of support she may receive. Not necessarily agreement. But support.
As an example: I do not agree with some of her premises or information, and have told her so, with courtesy. But I fully support her sharing it and I fully support the thread (i.e. I will not permit it to be derailed or for blufire to be insulted or diminished). If you can read between the lines, it's taken her a tremendous amount of courage to get to the point where she feels able to state her truth. That is to be applauded, respected, and appreciated, and I do so.

Wookie
29th September 2013, 15:01
I also love lamp

Knowrainknowrainbows!
29th September 2013, 15:13
Thank you for this perspective!
Balance ... honesty ... purpose ... cooperation ... compassion ... action ... faith ...
These concepts are on my heart and in my mind as I read today.

KRKR


The personality window has four quadrants. Above the horizontal line, you have the energy spend types and below the horizontal line you have the energy conserves. This pattern is laid down during the birth process and is core, visceral, and cellular and cannot be changed.

The vertical line in the window is the right brain intuitive and the left brain logical. These two sides generally have a primary dominant and a secondary supportive aspect. The predominance of the side of the brain is laid down through experience and is often referred to as societal and environmental influences.

So, those who are left brain energy spend are said to be “type A” personalities, the producers of the movie we call life (or Hollywood) the financiers. They have the overall logical vision on how the script of the movie is to become a reality, or how the vision of the business is to be implemented, and are unwavering. They make the best leaders and are often the CEO’s of corporations, as their vision is irrefutable from their vantage point. It’s the “my way or the highway” types.

The right brain energy spend intuitives are the actors, the sanguine outgoing fun and gregarious stage presence, who perform the play on stage. They see the vision of the script and act it out to its utmost perfection. They exude energy and passion, are the artisan’s, poets and musicians.

Below the horizontal line, where the energy conserve logical left brains reside, they are the directors, the supporters of the drama. They make sure things get done, are very methodical, and offer the best support for the vision. They are always looking for the fastest, easiest way to get things done with the least amount of energy expenditure, although they are very hard working.

The energy conserve right brain intuitives are the writers, but also the audience who enjoys the movie and comments on the merits of its execution, the energy which the production is meant to foster. They are the calm gentle types who are willing to be in the background and watch while offering their right brain critical intuitiveness in a conservative fashion.

It takes all four of the elements to make a movie. All four panes of the window, the producers, directors, actors and writers are necessary for the production of the movie we call life to manifest. The elemental counterparts of these are earth, air, fire and water. All creation has these four elements. These elements dance together in unison for the great play to manifest.

To say that one aspect is better than another, or that we should marginalize or objectify the energy out of balance, will not pull off a very good production. If one aspect becomes dominant, like it occasionally does on this forum, others will feel left out and will choose not to participate in the drama, not to add their respective parts in the production of the play of life.

The sanguine actor loves it when the melancholy director listens and encourages the scenes, and the passionate producer loves it when the director and the writers support the vision. We must learn to recognize all four elements, all four personality types (yes, even the type A leaders who have the most difficult time doing so) or the movie will not manifest.

Could this forum implode? Sure it could. If we lose all those who are willing to foster a new paradigm and we continue to regurgitate the same old ideas, then this forum will become just another alternative news site. Blufire is correct about this. I, for one encourage her to bring forth her production and vision, but to please let the directors, actors and writers do their job too. Then, and only then, will we be able to make an epic movie, the likes of which has never been done before.

{edit}

One more thing. I do believe it is the type A feminine which will lead us out of this mess, towards a balanced unity, dismantling the patriarchal bias and polarization, without throwing the baby out with the bath water. It's time to let the likes of blufire and we-R-one, Christine, Paula, Ulli, etc. speak... and lead... and direct... and act... and write...

RunningDeer
29th September 2013, 16:02
I am going to pull a ‘jimini’ here and say that I will ask posts like ‘kissy face Keanu Reeves’ be removed from the thread. If we are to be successful in getting over the hump and finally connect some of these profound dots and theories then I would ask that everyone interested stay focused and on topic.]
Done! Kissy face removed, bluefire.

You don’t get to use Kissy face as the reason not to post. Nor make anyone chose which way to go with that ‘request’.

Are there any others of mine, you’d like removed? Please list the post #'s.

chocolate
29th September 2013, 17:05
That is why I say, we have gathered here because we need one another. :)
For wisdom, inspiration, grounding, for all sorts of purposes. And sometimes we are confused, to a lesser or greater extend. I frequently have arguments with my dad who is by far the only person that understands me fully. So I argue sometimes because of his more logical or reasonable approach. But at the end I see his perspective. I think something similar is happening with blufire. But I have to say, while at my first post, I got some strong weakness, ringing in my ears and dizziness, so I am only guessing something more is at play here. Let's see where it all goes.

I watched this film today. I did not know of its existence until this morning. But it was as eating food after being hungry for a while. Keanu is no ordinary person for sure.

transiten
29th September 2013, 17:15
Go for it Bluefire!

go for it blufire. whatever you need to do. we'll read it.
I saw today a film- "Man of Tai Chi". See it and tell me who is the main character and who is the good guy, just try not to see the obvious.

Is "Man of Tai Chi" available on YouTube Chocolate? Do you have a link?

Thanks, Sierra :)

Here’s the trailer. I’m downloading it from iTunes. Hoo-ra! Thanks, chocolate, I hadn’t heard of the movie.

It says below: "Man of Tai Chi" movie hits theaters on November 1, 2013. On iTunes, it say to watch now before it hits the theaters. Hummmm, could it be because it’s not so good?

No matter. As long as I get my fix of Keanu Reeves, even though he’s a bad a$$ in this one.

Hey, KR if you are reading this....call me.


Man of Tai Chi Trailer 2013 Keanu Reeves Movie
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Published on Sep 5, 2013

Man of Tai Chi trailer 2013 - Official movie trailer in HD 1080p - starring Keanu Reeves, Tiger Hu Chen, Karen Mok, Iko Uwais - directed by Keanu Reeves - a young martial artist's unparalleled Tai Chi skills land him in a highly lucrative underworld fight club.



"Man of Tai Chi" movie hits theaters on November 1, 2013.



"Man of Tai Chi" Set in modern Beijing, MAN OF TAI CHI marks Keanu Reeves' directorial debut. The film, also starring Reeves, follows the spiritual journey of a young martial artist (played by Tiger Chen) whose unparalleled Tai Chi skills land him in a highly lucrative underworld fight club. As the fights intensify, so does his will to survive.

Man of Tai Chi movie trailer 2013 is presented in full HD 1080p high resolution.


Why should one see this movie??? Only asking:confused:

RunningDeer
29th September 2013, 18:53
If we are to be successful in getting over the hump and finally connect some of these profound dots and theories then I would ask that everyone interested stay focused and on topic.]

Done, posts removed, bluefire. I’m focused...

andrewgreen
29th September 2013, 19:25
Just out of interest who do you believe would win a Tia Chi master or UFC fighter. Had this argument so many times. I believe the Tia Chi master although he would never agree to such a fight.

RunningDeer
29th September 2013, 20:07
If we are to be successful in getting over the hump and finally connect some of these profound dots and theories then I would ask that everyone interested stay focused and on topic.]

Done, posts removed, bluefire. I’m focused...

mosquito
30th September 2013, 02:14
:focus:

Any chance we could get back on topic here ?

:focus:

Awaiting Blufire's story with eager anticipation.

Anchor
30th September 2013, 05:03
Y'all now need to give the lady a break.

Turn off the spotlight.

Ease off the pressure.

If the story comes it comes.

If it doesnt it doesnt.

All will come to pass in its own good time.

I doubt that any of us are experts at this sort of thing, and some situations are a hell of a lot harder to deal with tha others. I suspect the challenge of this story and its publication is hellish hard category.

blufire
30th September 2013, 10:52
Bill, I feel you should start the thread. I think you should direct the flow of the material presented and keep it on target. I have difficulty interpreting what many people are saying in their posts on the forum. Plus, this will be difficult for me to stay on point and communicate clearly the messages I received. Side note . . . . these messages were not channeled messages these were physical interactions for the most part. The ‘remembering’ though is primarily through dreams and certain times during the course of a day when the ‘remembering’ is triggered through an experience, smell or sight (senses).

Start the thread, set the frame work and I will post your revised version of my OP and we will go from there.

I am going to pull a ‘jimini’ here and say that I will ask posts like ‘kissy face Keanu Reeves’ be removed from the thread. If we are to be successful in getting over the hump and finally connect some of these profound dots and theories then I would ask that everyone interested stay focused and on topic.

Bill I do disagree in closing this thread . . . . at this time I am asking it stays open.

I and at least 29 others feel there is merit to what I said. There is an 800 pound gorilla that has plopped his hairy rear end in the middle of the forum and he is gaining weight steadily.

A very big example is my missing emails from you. No one has contacted me and nothing has been done about this . . . no alarm . . . no inquiry . . . no investigation.

To everyone reading, these were not ‘private forum messages’ this was my personal email (yahoo account) that I provided when registering to the forum.

I went through my folders (including my 'emails sent') and recent email list Bill . . . EVERY email you have ever sent to my personal yahoo email account is GONE.

Now I find this profoundly curious.

I have two theories and neither one is very palatable. Shall we explore these theories or are we just going to pry up the 800 pound gorilla’s hairy rear end and sweep it under there?

To everyone who has sent me pm’s . . . . thank you very much for the support and dialogue . . . I hope to get back to some of you this afternoon.









I am on my cell phone so this will be short

I am not being coy or playing games. Those emails are gone.

Bill if you could post tour revised version of my OP i would be good with this. . . A show of faith and working together.

Or resend and i will

I really feel we need to come to the bottom though on what has happened with my email account

Many thanks, and I've already re-sent to you my two Sept 2 and 3 e-mails verbatim and unaltered, with the Word doc attachment. I think it's all best to come from you, and I would recommend a separate thread started by yourself. We can then close this one as being no longer relevant.

If you want me to start the thread myself, of course I'd be very happy to do so. I will work with you on this and will certainly keep my already-given word to protect the thread.

I spent quite some time and thought reworking your proposed detailed opening post, and I honest-to-god think what I sent back to you is the best, most readable, and most palatable it can be.



(A side note: I too have found some Gmail messages hard to locate. Sometimes the original seems to disappear, and the received text I'm searching for comes up in the quoted text of my reply; and sometimes I delete one message in a conversation (carefully!) and the entire conversation disappears so I have to go fishing it all out of the trash. I suspect, but do not know, that these are bugs in Gmail's functionality and not any targeted conspiracy. But I may be wrong. Back to topic...: )

Here are some explanatory comments for those reading this:


What blufire had sent to me, on 2 September, was the entirety of her proposed long and detailed opening post -- asking for my thoughts.
I made some suggested amendments (not major ones) and gave her some considered feedback on what forms of wording I thought might serve her and her presentation best. I accompanied the recommended amended thread (which I attached separately and have not published anywhere) with some explanatory comments that I copied in my post #4 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63837-Imploding-forum-and-the-next-25-years-of-Darkness&p=736613&viewfull=1#post736613) on this thread.
The material is wide-ranging and of great interest, and should concern every forum member (i.e. I recommend that it deserves their careful attention).
I told blufire that I knew that quite a number of other members had had similar (but non-identical) experiences, and I know from my own experience that it's extremely difficult and challenging to share stuff like this. Many of us have been in this kind of unenviable position.
Therefore I feel that she may be surprised by the amount of support she may receive. Not necessarily agreement. But support.
As an example: I do not agree with some of her premises or information, and have told her so, with courtesy. But I fully support her sharing it and I fully support the thread (i.e. I will not permit it to be derailed or for blufire to be insulted or diminished). If you can read between the lines, it's taken her a tremendous amount of courage to get to the point where she feels able to state her truth. That is to be applauded, respected, and appreciated, and I do so.

Limor Wolf
30th September 2013, 12:33
Hello Bluefire,

I would personally like to thank you sincerely for your wilingness to reveal the details of your contact and the potentially important message it may embody, I know how hard it must be to put it out there, to release this information you hold inside you for so long, and in a way that will be 'absorbable' to the readers who are willing to listen. I look forward to take a look at it, there is an inflation in the amount of messages from the off-worlders, to each it will be wise to listen, to each it will be wise to take with a grain of salt. I am familiar with ET contact myself, as many are here, some highly peculiar 'stories' can be pulled from the sleeve, sometimes the stories of our lives will not be believeable to someone else, yes, that is not an easy task to put it infront of others. However, someone there wants you to do it, and the urge is well felt with you, so now may be a good time to put it on the table, and whatever interest it will (or will not) attract from members it is outside of your responsibility, you can only tell what happened, people need to use their own discretion, and folks here have gathered their own experience in regards to predictions from either human fuction (whistleblowers) or non-human, be it on the more positive side or the less positive side.

But please bring it on.

I want to ask you a favor, though, as only one of your potential readers. What I personally perceive behind your words is some real anxiousness, which is understood at a certain level, but even though, it seems, do not justify the strong richochetes you throw at Bill and the mod team, or at other member's comments. If it is a joint effort as you claim it is,(and the readiness of Bill to assist you is quite obvious for those who read the communication), then it need to be a mutual respect kind of exchange, not a throwing commands one with quite a lot of hidden undealt with emotions pop from underneath, If you can clear that, I am sure it will be an interesting thread to read and to be updated with, maybe learn something new, either as a result of the message itself or maybe just for the profound experience of the individual which is you.

In relaying your experiences infront of an 'audience', it might be wise to lose your grip of control and release any outcome, what will be will be.. "Que Sera, Sera"

you can only do what you can do. But please please do it respectfully

I look forward to your personal sharing

All the best,

Limor

Bill Ryan
30th September 2013, 13:01
A very big example is my missing emails from you. No one has contacted me and nothing has been done about this . . . no alarm . . . no inquiry . . . no investigation.

1) Hi there, and you'll see from my long and detailed post #44 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63837-Imploding-forum-and-the-next-25-years-of-Darkness&p=736886&viewfull=1#post736886) (which you quoted in full) that I said I'd immediately resent both e-mails to you in their entirety -- including the attached Word document, which ran to 7 pages and 2,000 words. If you'd like me to send that to you one more time, I can do so easily. Please just let me know.

2) As you must surely understand, there's nothing we can do about your missing e-mails. That's 100% between you and your e-mail service provider. It's not an Avalon problem and (whatever the cause) Avalon did not cause those e-mails to go missing.

3) Please start your thread. You have all the material. Many people are waiting for you to do what you said you wanted to do, and are genuinely interested. Once you have made the full and detailed initial post, you do not have to post any more if you'd rather not. It will be there for people to read and discuss. Whether to answer questions or not is entirely your choice.

4) The thread is yours to start any time you like. There's nothing and no-one stopping you. I reiterate my personal commitment to support it and protect it fully.

5) If there's any technical assistance you need in formatting, please PM me and I will gladly help. The best section to post it in might be Future Talk, but that's also your decision.

With best wishes, Bill

RMorgan
30th September 2013, 13:28
I am left brained and logical and this fact, as it would seem, on the forum is not very accepted. Currently the right brained intuitive members are more accepted and even promoted and protected (example: Jim/ Jimini). My logical pragmatic brain and gut tells me that this drama surrounding Jim will result in another Charles type implosion. We will loose members (I will be one of them this time) and the forum will take another step toward its demise or at least become a shadow of its former uniqueness and strength...

...The forum is constantly overturning and a new influx of members every few months. This in its self is not a bad thing. What does not help though is at the point the forum as a whole is just getting to the point of connecting very important profound dots and theories, a jim or charles or other drama steps in and blows these connections all to hell. It would seem we as a whole are not able to make it over the hump (so to say) to where we can become the spark that lights the fire to healing the planet and change that would benefit all of humanity...


Hey blufire,

I don't have enough data to opine on the rest of your post, but I couldn't agree more with the above quoted part.

I also feel absolutely perplexed about how some totally nonsensical subjects narrated by, in my opinion, clearly confused and very probably deluded persons, are able to gain so much traction here.

Like I said other times, with all due respect, PA seems to be constantly giving one step forward followed by two steps back, concerning its position as a source of information.

As a place to share ideas and personal experiences, it's still an amazing place, full of amazing human beings, but as an information source, at the smallest sign of progress, something always comes up and drags it back to ground zero.

Anyway, I have a lot of respect for you. I'm looking forward to read what you have to say about your experiences.

Cheers,

Raf.

gripreaper
30th September 2013, 13:55
I'm going to jump in here and get my two cents out before the blufire thread is started.

My experience with paranormal phenomenon is fairly limited. I've never seen an ET or had a UFO experience, an abduction, or personally had entities appear to me in my room at night, or at any other time that I am aware of. So, these aspects I cannot speak to.

Yet, I have had what I would consider internal spiritual contact with other dimensional beings. When I went through the dark night of the soul, and was about to end my own life, I heard audibly and felt kinistetically that I had succeeded by choosing to live in spite of shattering everything I had believed and ending up as just me and my own essence.

I raged back at the celestial beings, who would make such a claim, having never been incarnated in a body, that they had no idea what it is like to be in a body, and therefore did not have any right to make such proclamations.

That night, in the utter darkness of my room, the entire council of the central sun from the 13th dimension, descended as white swirling doves into my room. Yes, Yes, michael, gabriel, Yeshua, magdalene, the whole bunch. As lower astral entities attempted to enter the room, just the utterance from these celestial beings scattered them and they were told, in no uncertain terms, that I was off limits and I was to be forever left alone.

I've never had an Archonic experience, an astral energy vamp, or any attempt by incarnate or dis-incarnate beings to influence me or steer me in any way, since that night. What I do understand about paranormal phenomenon, is that duality does still exist into the fifth, sixth, seventh and eighth dimensions, and pure unity doesn't come into play till the 9th dimension, where nefarious astral beings cannot and do not reside.

All manner of manipulation, holographic strawmen, avatars and doppelgangers do exist in the lower astral realms, and these nefarious beings can appear to you under any guise they see fit in order to make us see them as we WANT TO. Its hard to tell if we are being manipulated by lower astral beings or are being touched by the pure essence of non dualistic presence.

This is the caveat. No one can answer this for you. If your energy field is in balance, all your chakras are clear, your central column is flowing energy, you are grounded to the earth and open through your crown, and your etheric layers are charged, it is impossible for lower astral beings to enter your field and manipulate you holographically.

How integrated you are, only you can know.

RunningDeer
30th September 2013, 14:42
I am going to pull a ‘jimini’ here and say that I will ask posts like ‘kissy face Keanu Reeves’ be removed from the thread. If we are to be successful in getting over the hump and finally connect some of these profound dots and theories then I would ask that everyone interested stay focused and on topic.]
Done! Kissy face removed, bluefire.

You don’t get to use Kissy face as the reason not to post. Nor make anyone chose which way to go with that ‘request’.

Are there any others of mine you’d like removed? Please list the post #'s.

Bill Ryan
30th September 2013, 21:46
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Blufire has posted her personal story, in detail, here:

The New World and Civilization (the messages from my Contact as a child) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63899-The-New-World-and-Civilization--the-messages-from-my-Contact-as-a-child-)

So this thread is now closed, and I encourage everyone to go to her new thread and read it with the careful and considered attention it deserves.

My thanks to all -- Bill