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3rd October 2013, 00:34
There are threads here on PA where Mefloquine is mentioned, but perhaps it's time for another question to be raised (and this is definitely worthy of its own thread):

Tesla's Q: As a veteran of the USAF, I am asking a simple question:
Did Prince Harry have to take mefloquine when he went to Afghanistan?


Mefloquine (Lariam®)
Mefloquine (brand name: Lariam®) is a drug that has been given to military personnel, including those serving in Somalia, Iraq, and Afghanistan, for protection against malaria. Malaria is an infectious disease transmitted by mosquitoes.


Soldiers at risk from anti-malarial drug, claims ex-senior medical officer
MoD continuing to prescribe mefloquine, which has been linked with several murders and suicide among troops

Press Association
theguardian.com, Thursday 26 September 2013 19.07 EDT

British soldiers are being put at risk of developing psychosis by taking an anti-malarial drug that has been banned by the US military, it is claimed. Mefloquine, also known as Lariam, has been linked to a number of suicides and murders among troops, with the US Food and Drug Administration advising against those with a history of depression from taking it.

A spokesman for the Ministry of Defence said it continued to prescribe mefloquine on the advice of Public Health England. He said the MoD participated in the Medicines Healthcare Regulation Agency's "Yellow Card scheme", where all adverse reactions to any medication are reported directly to the MHRA, which is responsible for investigating any claims.


Originally published July 18, 2013 at 9:22 PM | Page modified July 18, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Did malarial drug play role in Bales’ Afghan murders?
A document has surfaced, just weeks before Staff Sgt. Robert Bales faces a sentencing trial for murdering 16 Afghan civilians, that suggests a link between the rampage and the use of the malarial drug mefloquine.

By Hal Bernton
Seattle Times staff reporter

Staff Sgt. Robert Bales, guilty of murdering 16 Afghan civilians, used a controversial malarial drug linked to paranoia, hallucinations and psychosis while serving in Iraq, according to his lawyer.

Whether Bales took the same drug in the days leading up to his murderous rampage near a remote Army outpost in Afghanistan is unclear, even as a new document has emerged suggesting he did.

Earlier this month, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration released a 2012 “adverse event” notification from a pharmacist who reported that an unnamed Army soldier taking mefloquine murdered Afghan civilians.


**letter to general tacket wv about human experimentation on troops**


the news forum doesn't actually get as many views as general, was hoping some military people would see this:

Quote from: pdf_muncher on February 28, 2011, 01:01:15 PM

TO: General Allen Tackett, WVNG, Ret. 2/28/2011
RE: 2004 Mefloquine human drug trials in Uzbekistan affecting 130th AW troops


Robert Bales Lawyer: Client Suffers PTSD Thu, Jan 17, 2013. Mefloquine, the Untold Story!
Please read and try hard to understand the following, part of it is a personal account from personal military experience! TWTCS KNOWS people who lost jobs directly after being given Mefloquine tablets. This is a serious issue worthy of a closer look.

People are leaving Mefloquine out of the Robert Bales Debate -- WHY?

From a confidential email:

"As a matter of practice, KBR provides medical mobilization physicals
> prior to employees deploying to international projects; this is done to
> determine the medical aspects of fitness for regions with limited
> medical resources. On projects, KBR will look to the client to determine
> if any added health measures are necessary for employees, contractors or
> subcontractors.
> The company also collects information on pre-existing biological,
> infectious, environmental and physical hazards of the project areas from
> the client, as well as quarantine requirements for sensitive
> environments such as preventing non-native insects, infestations and
> diseases from being transmitted to a project site or back from a project
> site. Any guidance as to additional health procedures will then be
> incorporated at the direction of the client.
> KBR provides immunizations against diseases and harmful agents endemic
> to each employee's destination in accordance with the recommendations of
> Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, International SOS, and the
> World Health Organization. KBR employees working under the LOGCAP III
> contract from 2001 - 2005 were prescribed Malarone as the primary
> prophylaxis for malaria. Malarone was the only anti-malarial medication
> prescribed to employees until KBR made the decision in late 2005, based
> upon guidance from the military, to administer Doxycycline as the
> primary prophylaxis."


Prince Harry on Afghan mission: 'Take a life to save a life'
By Max Foster and Peter Wilkinson, CNN
updated 11:36 AM EST, Tue January 22, 2013


(CNN) -- Britain's Prince Harry has acknowledged that he killed Taliban insurgents on his latest tour of duty in Afghanistan as a crew member of an Apache attack helicopter.

Harry has been serving for four months as a co-pilot gunner (CPG) in southern Helmand province -- considered a Taliban heartland -- and flew on scores of missions with the trigger to rockets, missiles and a 30mm cannon at his fingertips.
No one is saying how many insurgents Harry might have killed but toward the end of his deployment, the 28-year-old, known to his comrades as Captain Wales, shared some of his feelings about combat with reporters while on duty in the massive military base known as Camp Bastion. He said it was sometimes justified to "take a life to save a life. That's what we revolve around, I suppose."


Army curbs prescriptions of anti-malaria drug
Updated 11/19/2011 11:56 AM
LOS ANGELES (AP) – Almost four decades after inventing a potent anti-malarial drug, the U.S. Army has pushed it to the back of its medicine cabinet.


SGT Scapegoat? The Latest on Lariam and the Sergeant
By Elspeth Cameron Ritchie July 22, 20130

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Staff Sergeant Robert Bales in 2011.

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What a difference a month can make.

In late June, I published “A Smoking Pillbox,” about a report of a soldier with a history of traumatic brain injury, who after taking Lariam (mefloquine), had gunned down 16 Afghan civilians. Another post followed, with more details from an FDA “adverse event report”.

3rd October 2013, 00:46
My high school English teacher in 2000-2001 was a Somalia vet (Marines).
He threw desks across the room.

VA site says Somalia personnel took Mefloquine.
Go figure.

3rd October 2013, 00:56
Wanna see a real whistleblow?


Department of State FOIA Log 2011 - US Department of State ...


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Malaria, Mefloquine, and Gitmo
Published: Aug 9, 2013
By Nancy Walsh
While researching a recent article about the FDA's decision to include a black box warning on the labeling of the antimalarial drug mefloquine cautioning about neurologic and psychiatric adverse complications, I came across a strange story in the journal Tropical Medicine and International Health.

The article chronicled the use of mefloquine among "many, if not all" of the detainees being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. It was written by Remington L. Nevin, who had been a U.S. Army preventive medicine specialist and who is considered an authority on antimalarial toxicity. He explained that the Department of Defense released documents in 2007 in response to a Freedom of Information Act request about the policy of mefloquine use among detainees -- with information that he considered disturbing.

Mefloquine was developed by the military at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research in the 1970s, which was a time of increasing resistance to chloroquine. It showed efficacy as treatment for illness caused by the blood-stage schizonts but not for the liver-stage schizonts and hypnozoites or the blood-stage gametocytes that are more commonly causes of infection.

Early use also suggested the possibility of central nervous system and behavioral disturbances, but the FDA approved the drug as prophylaxis and it was quickly adopted by the military, given in weekly doses of 250 mg.

But the drug gradually fell out of favor among travelers and military personnel, and the proprietary formulation Lariam was withdrawn from the U.S. market in 2009. Generic formulations remain available, however.

In his article, Nevin explains the rationale for several approaches to the use of antimalarials, including "mass drug administration," in which everyone in a specified region is given the drug, "intermittent preventive treatment," which targets treatment to individuals considered to be at particular risk, and empiric treatment, where patients from endemic areas with symptoms such as fever are presumed to have malaria and are treated.

None of those scenarios applied to Guantanamo, according to Nevin, where the treatment was given in one 750 mg dose followed by a second 500 mg dose 12 hours later. In particular, the empiric approach can't explain the treatment policy, because this is usually associated with cost constraints or difficulties in diagnosis.

"Neither was a factor at Guantanamo. All detainees had regular access to medical care and received a comprehensive medical evaluation upon arrival, which included assessment of vital signs and thick and thin-smear microscopic testing for malaria," Nevin stated.

An additional factor that would weigh against presumptive treatment was the specific recommendation by the CDC against this approach for individuals originating in places other than sub-Saharan Africa, while most of the Guantanamo detainees were from countries such as Pakistand and Afghanistan.

Moreover, the CDC has recommended a combination of atovaquone and proguanil (Malarone) as being better tolerated.

Further factors, Nevin pointed out, were that, at the time mefloquine was being given to the detainees, careful mosquito surveillance was underway in the area. Also, a decade earlier, when 14,000 Haitian refugees were temporarily housed at Guantanamo, no mass administration of antimalarials was undertaken.

So what was the reason for the routine use of mefloquine -- an agent with documented adverse events including depression, hallucinations, confusion, paranoia, and anxiety, and linked to 22 deaths and five suicides -- in Guantanamo?

Nevin wrote:
"One possibility is that the use of mefloquine was simply erroneously directed by senior U.S. military medical officials overly confident of the drug's safety and unfamiliar with its appropriate use ... Another possibility, which is deeply troubling to consider, is that the decision to administer the drug was informed and motivated at least in part by knowledge of the drug's adverse neuropsychiatric effects and the presumed plausible deniability of claims of misuse in the context of its seemingly legitimate clinical or public health indication.

"Further formal investigation may yet reveal the precise rationale and motivation for the use of mefloquine among Guantanamo detainees. As the actions of junior medical personnel assigned to Guantanamo come under increased ethical and legal scrutiny, the actions of senior medical leaders involved in formulating and overseeing detainee mefloquine policy must bear comparable examination."

3rd October 2013, 01:15
Pretty much how I became a whistleblower re: Mefloquine was,
my unit (130th AW from WV USA) was given mefloquine and doxycycline in an effort to see if co-medication would hurt us.
KBR the next year got to transition from malarone to doxycycline and skipped the mefloquine altogether.
I had a spider sense moment and refused the meds.
I was pretty much the only person I know of from the 130th who admittedly did NOT use mefloquine

if I had I assure you I would not have survived to be a PA member

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p.s. I didn't catch Malaria as a result of skipping meds

the US army is full of **** for giving this to high IQ high stress Air Force personnel

3rd October 2013, 01:27
There should be something like 'informed choice' concerning anti-mallarics, non compulsory vaccinations, etc , guess I'm just dreaming it up since I've never been in military and those who had I often hear saying that the options to decide are limited ..?

Mefloquine is known to cause more harms than good, in general, people who travel to India and go by their GPs advice are very often force recommended anti-mallarics without the doctor having any idea whether they are really travelling to risk zone .

Besides all, it can not prevent malaria as such , it can allegedly and only slow development of the plasmodia who do not mature to full age but ..again, some of them at least. It's very controversial drug .

Afghanistan and Iraq ( especially mountain areas ) are hardly risk zones . The chances that you get bitten by mosquito and get malaria there are similar like in Colorado, broadly speaking .

I've got ..maybe several hundreds of bites, if not thousands, during the two times three month in Bodhgaya, 2002 and 2003 . We had nets for night and were burning anti-mosquito coils but they were everywhere ..

3rd October 2013, 01:43
'Informed consent' , sorry .

3rd October 2013, 01:55
Agape, when my coworkers were ordered to take that pill,

the only thing other than the pill we received was a Ziploc baggie.

No paperwork, no waiver, no signature, just take the ****ing pill

that's IT

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No wonder journalists were emailing me; making FOIAs

3rd October 2013, 02:01
p.s. leaving Uzbek we had to sign a WAIVER exempting the US military from claims re: exposure to dangerous substances

imagine not being able to hitch a ride home w/o signing

3rd October 2013, 12:21
Interesting times, ours
Hello CNN:

Certain members of the public would like to know if Prince Harry had to take Mefloquine while stationed with other pilots in Afghanistan.

As your Eurasianet correspondent Deidre Tynan tried to find out from the DoD some years ago (but they never answered her), lots of people are also wondering why this dangerous drug was prescribed to members of the US and UK militaries over the course of the last 9 years; it was in 2004 before it was given to my own unit, the 130th AW in Charleston, WV, that Walter Reed and the Pentagon became totally aware of the psychiatric risks and side effects. Yet stories like the Robert Bales and Ian Stawicki murders kept airing...

A very fitting story by CNN would explain why Gitmo detainees are given such large doses of Mefloquine, why KBR employees were given malarone while military members fried on mefloquine, and whether or not Prince Harry of the UK had to take this horrific mefloquine drug while deployed to a so-called "high risk" zone.

I served in the US military from 2003 to 2008. I witnessed directly while in the desert my unit being given Mefloquine pills in unmarked bags without the appropriate medical literature. I witnessed two of the men in this experimental group lose their jobs the following year. Their names were Jerry Rucker and Glen Sergeant. They were exposed to mefloquine and experimental vaccines in the desert, and lost their jobs almost immediately afterward due to psychiatric distress and physical symptoms of distress related to poisoning.

3rd October 2013, 12:33

Military's use of malaria drug in question
Pentagon studies Lariam's side effects after soldiers' suicides

From Maria Fleet and Jonathan Mann
Thursday, May 20, 2004 Posted: 12:27 PM EDT (1627 GMT)

(CNN) -- U.S. Army Chief Warrant Officer Bill Howell began taking Lariam before going to Iraq in 2003. In March, three weeks after returning home, Howell fatally shot himself in his front yard.

Sgt. 1st Class Rigoberto Nieves also took the anti-malarial medication during his tour of duty in Afghanistan in 2002. Two days after coming home, he killed his wife and himself.

Although grieving families and some experts suspect a link between Lariam and the deaths, the Pentagon said it isn't sure. And until its conclusion of a study into the matter, the Defense Department said it intends to hand out the drug to U.S. military service personnel in some regions where malaria is a threat.

"The combination of the anecdotal reports and the perceptions have led me to conclude that we need to perform a study to ... see if there are the adverse outcomes that some believe there might be," said Dr. William Winkenwerder, assistant secretary of defense for health affairs.

There is no timeline for the probe, Winkenwerder said, but he has requested its completion as soon as possible.

"To take a proven effective drug out of the armamentarium to protect our soldiers is not something that we have the scientific basis to do at this time," he said.

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My base commander didn't even thank me for telling him about this experiment done on our unit while deployed.
Maybe he should Frye too, LOL

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West Nile Transmission Via Transplants? Persistence of Smallpox Vaccination Immunity; BSE in Japan; Antimalarial Linked to Military Base Murders? Meningitis Outbreak in Rwanda...
Steven FoxDisclosures

The Pentagon plans to send an epidemiologic team to Fort Bragg, NC, to investigate a possible connection between the recent killings of 4 women -- allegedly by their Army husbands -- and mefloquine, a widely used antimalarial drug that all of the husbands had apparently taken in conjunction with their recent deployment to Afghanistan.

Mefloquine has been reported, in rare cases, to be associated with side effects such as rage and suicidal tendencies. Of the 4 women murdered, 2 were found shot to death along with their husbands' bodies, the latter apparent suicides. A third was found strangled and buried in a shallow grave; her husband was charged with first-degree murder. The fourth victim was stabbed at least 50 times by her estranged husband, who later set fire to her home.

So far, investigators are being cautious about linking the violent acts to mefloquine. But suspicions are substantial enough to warrant further investigation, the Pentagon says.

Roche Laboratories produces mefloquine under the brand name Lariam.
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The 130th Airlift Wing (130 AW) is a unit of the West Virginia Air National Guard, stationed at Charleston Air National Guard Base, Charleston, West Virginia. If activated to federal service, the Wing is gained by the United States Air Force Air Mobility Command.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/C-130_Hercules_from_the_130th_Airlift_Wing_in_Iraq.j pg/800px-C-130_Hercules_from_the_130th_Airlift_Wing_in_Iraq.j pg

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By the way, BRAC tried to steal our planes the YEAR AFTER the gov't poisoned us.

On May 13, 2005, the United States Department of Defense released its Base Realignment and Closure, 2005 (BRAC) report, and the 130th Airlift Wing was one of the units slated to be eventually decommissioned. Its complement of 8 C-130H aircraft would be transferred to Pope Air Force Base, and its complement of expeditionary combat support (ECS) personnel to the 167th Airlift Wing.

Upon learning of this, several former commanders of the 130th Airlift Wing along with members of the local Kanawha County Commission and the Yeager Airport Board of Directors and formed the Keep 'Em Flying grassroots organization to try to prevent the unit from being decommissioned. Following an outpouring of community support, money was raised for newspaper and radio ads and to hire analysts familiar with BRAC, all in an attempt to save the unit. Funds were contributed from Yeager Airport, the Kanawha County Commission and the local economic development organization, the Charleston Area Alliance. On June 13, 2005, members of the BRAC commission came to Charleston to evaluate the base and talk to General Tackett, Governor Joe Manchin, Senator Robert Byrd, Congresswoman Shelley Moore Capito and Col. Bill Peters, Jr, former commander of the 130th and chair for Keep 'Em Flying.

Following this visit, and taking in all the information that was presented to them during that time, the BRAC commission voted unanimously, 9-0, to keep the unit intact.


the 130th had like, a 98% mission completion/readiness rate while overseas
whereas Pope maintains something closer to 50, right?
great place to send our stuff, OH WAIT, not


Notable achievements[edit]
Being the first Air Guard unit to deploy outside the United States, February 1965.[1]

my only question now: why us?

3rd October 2013, 18:05
There should be something like 'informed choice' concerning anti-mallarics, non compulsory vaccinations, etc , guess I'm just dreaming it up since I've never been in military and those who had I often hear saying that the options to decide are limited ..?

Sadly, when in the "military" one is PROPERTY of the government. No human rights - simply whatever it takes to keep the MACHINE (meat machine) running so that it will follow orders - any machine not following orders is defective and will either be corrected, or tossed (dishonorable discharge). That is the reality.



that's a joke, right?

Added: "Forced Drugging of Troops" section
The Many Illnesses, Symptoms and Disorders of Gulf War Syndrome (GWS)
According to the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, between 175,000 and 210,000– or about 25 percent – of the living veterans of the 1991 Gulf War are currently afflicted by a debilitating, chronic, multi-symptom, multi-system disease commonly known as Gulf War Illness or Gulf War Syndrome. The Environmental Illness Resource tells us that more than 110,000 cases had been reported by 1999, according to official government sources. There is even a report relating to military personnel in Kansas developing flu-like symptoms and chemical sensitivities after handling archived documents returned from the Gulf. In the UK, veterans of the 2003 conflict began reporting symptoms identical to those reported by the first war shortly after they returned from duty. Senator John D. Rockefeller issues a report revealing that for at least 50 years the Department of Defense has used hundreds of thousands of military personnel in human experiments and for intentional exposure to dangerous substances. Materials included mustard and nerve gas, ionizing radiation, psychochemicals, hallucinogens, and drugs used during the Gulf War.

ref: http://www.gulfwarvets.com/senate.htm

3rd October 2013, 19:01
Agape, when my coworkers were ordered to take that pill,

the only thing other than the pill we received was a Ziploc baggie.

No paperwork, no waiver, no signature, just take the ****ing pill

that's IT

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No wonder journalists were emailing me; making FOIAs

I feared so but then again, it's not one time pill, people are told to take it preventively every morning for several weeks ..starting ahead of possible exposure and ending ..well, after ..that's why it's so dangerous,
the chemical accumulates in liver , and the doses they prescribe are between 80 mg a day and higher .

I never went for anything of that sort ..

Had friend accompanying me to Dharamsala ( Himachal in India ) last year and his GP and basically everyone scared him so much ( he's never travelled to Asia before ) that he's got about 4 series of vaccinations during the summer , he seriously hesitated about the mefloquine as well .. we were going to spotless clean area high up in the mountains, he was still convinced he may get infection anywhere and die.
I dispatched him back safely after his planned 3 weeks since he's important man on his job and spent another 6 months cursing and getting it off my mind .


3rd October 2013, 19:09
Malarone is bad enough - Mefloquine is insane, and my malaria specialist prescribed Malarone for me when I was in the jungles in Nigera.

3rd October 2013, 19:20
Sadly, when in the "military" one is PROPERTY of the government. No human rights - simply whatever it takes to keep the MACHINE (meat machine) running so that it will follow orders - any machine not following orders is defective and will either be corrected, or tossed (dishonorable discharge). That is the reality.

Thanks Bob. Yes, it's a misuse of human intelligence, all these precious young human beings turned to killer machines, guinea pigs, sacrificed for what, ideological war ? I think worse, for dirty money of rich and powerful .
If people elsewhere were not kept artificially out of resources, by their modern dictators and mercenaries , if they were kept happy and not in state of hatred, refusal and famine, there would be almost no terrorists and no need of wars.

It's so sad that in our times we can't yet see the world finding common reasoning.


3rd October 2013, 19:29
Malarone is bad enough - Mefloquine is insane, and my malaria specialist prescribed Malarone for me when I was in the jungles in Nigera.

Sure, if I had to go to Africa , somewhere to jungle ( I always wanted to when I was kid , reading travel books, especially those about real travellers and discoverers ) and the area was infested with malaria mosquitoes , I'd have to consent to this as well . But then again, taking risks ( unless you are in army ) is often matter of choice .
When people climb mountains too high , dive to oceans, poke nose to termite hills and lion dens , and do not consider the real risks ..no pills will help .

Sorry , I always turn off topic.

Wish more of these young men who sign up for army duty had realistic idea where are they going .. or maybe, having realistic idea about life when we're 18 is ok, too much to ask ....

4th October 2013, 18:43
Here, I said "the pill" -- I should clarify.

If memory serves, we had 15 pills per baggie. Which is wayyyy too much if you take it every day. Why no paperwork?? instructions??

There was a baggie of Doxycycline (not a huge deal I guess!) and another baggie, which had the Lariam.

The men were whispering about liver damage etc. in regards to the latter.

I decided "F that!" You need your liver!

What they didn't know is that it causes brain damage... BUT the PENTAGON knew it BEFORE we were moved from Kuwait to Uzbek..

4th October 2013, 20:22
15 pills baggie for everyday ? Sure that has to make you feel SAFE about life :haha:

Sorry, not laughing at you guys , I wish everyone could then take a leave , payed leave I mean .. spend in nature somewhere, de-stressing and detoxing their systems .
The Israeli youngsters actually, all do that, they have compulsory military duty, both boys and girls , girls a bit shorter ( not sure if I'm quite correct but I think it's 1,5 year for girls ) , men for 3 years .
For most of that time even if not right fighting, they're stuck at extremely tense , stressful, crowded situation , not having an inch of freedom and they do get some extra money after leaving so what they all do ...

they go travelling, that's why many come to India or to South America and you can feel they need to shed the stress .

Many have PTSD , trauma symptoms even if their age, I mean when you feel young and healthy otherwise you don't really want to take these things seriously or succumb to them and they try their best to remain in control ..
but there's lots of 'burns out' , traumas and dramas in the camp , at all times .

There are many herbal remedies to do for detoxification, need to be taken in long run but for anyone who had to take chemicals it's worth it.

I wonder , how long have you been in military duty Tesla , did you mention it anywhere on this board ?

With :hug:

5th October 2013, 00:27
hello there!

It was a 6 year contract, and I served 5.5 years (was permitted to separate with honorable discharge, Jr was on the way!)

2/3/2003-(Jan1?)2008 officially, I believe, but I wasn't there the last few months (July-Dec I was in another state other than my guard unit was).

Not sure about IRR status, but it probably expired by now. :(

My first deployment was as soon as I got back from technical school and BMT. About a month after coming home I went to Kuwait/Uzbekistan in 2004 in place of a fellow who was having some trouble (on antidepressants and weight gain, etc. typical Gulf War Syndrome I'm afraid). I wasn't really ready to go, but although I didn't do a whole lot of help up front, I did notice this pill thing and reported it to my base commander (I think the year I separated I told him).

edit: maybe it was two years after i separated, not sure when I wrote the Open Letter to General Tackett Re: Human Experimentation on 130th AW Troops

5th October 2013, 00:50

Prince Harry Helps Sydney Celebrate Navy Centenary
SYDNEY October 5, 2013 (AP)
Associated Press

Britain's Prince Harry has glided through Sydney's harbor on board a navy ship to help celebrate the centenary of the fledgling Australian navy fleet's first visit to the waterway.

Thousands of people crowded the shoreline on Saturday to catch a glimpse of royalty and celebrate the International Fleet Review. The event commemorates the arrival of the original Royal Australian Navy fleet a century ago.

Dozens of warships from 17 nations are in Sydney this weekend for the fleet review.

Harry is in Australia's largest city for just one day as part of a quick trip Down Under. He flies to the Western Australia state capital, Perth, on Sunday before leaving the country.

5th October 2013, 10:33
hello there!

It was a 6 year contract, and I served 5.5 years (was permitted to separate with honorable discharge, Jr was on the way!)

2/3/2003-(Jan1?)2008 officially, I believe, but I wasn't there the last few months (July-Dec I was in another state other than my guard unit was).

Not sure about IRR status, but it probably expired by now. :(

My first deployment was as soon as I got back from technical school and BMT. About a month after coming home I went to Kuwait/Uzbekistan in 2004 in place of a fellow who was having some trouble (on antidepressants and weight gain, etc. typical Gulf War Syndrome I'm afraid). I wasn't really ready to go, but although I didn't do a whole lot of help up front, I did notice this pill thing and reported it to my base commander (I think the year I separated I told him).

edit: maybe it was two years after i separated, not sure when I wrote the Open Letter to General Tackett Re: Human Experimentation on 130th AW Troops

6 years is a lot .. you have been brave and very lucky . Anything could happen anytime and you would not be here now .

6 years is enough to get 'teared out' of society completely , it's easy to leave and exciting to come back but the hardest part is living life besides people who have never been 'out there' ,
I know because I spent many years travelling to India , never had problems adjusting back but after those 6 years ,
and then I was NOT in the military . I was in monastery , mostly and alone a lots.

I don't feel easy to share things on open boards .

edit: maybe it was two years after i separated, not sure when I wrote the Open Letter to General Tackett Re: Human Experimentation on 130th AW Troops

Where is that letter Tesla ..?

Don't forget to congratulate yourself every morning for surviving it all , no matter what bad happens, your lucky Star is shining above and watching , I'm sure about it.


8th October 2013, 17:10

Did Obama swap 'black' detention sites for ships?


WASHINGTON (AP) — Instead of sending suspected terrorists to Guantanamo Bay or secret CIA "black" sites for interrogation, the Obama administration is questioning terrorists for as long as it takes aboard U.S. naval vessels.

And it's doing it in a way that preserves the government's ability to ultimately prosecute the suspects in civilian courts.

That's the pattern emerging with the recent capture of Abu Anas al-Libi, one of the FBI's most wanted terrorists, long-sought for his alleged role in the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Africa. He was captured in a raid Saturday and is being held aboard the USS San Antonio, an amphibious warship mainly used to transport troops.

Questioning suspected terrorists aboard U.S. warships in international waters is President Barack Obama's answer to the Bush administration detention policies that candidate Obama promised to end. The strategy also makes good on Obama's pledge to prosecute terrorists in U.S. civilian courts, which many Republicans have argued against. But it also raises questions about using "law of war" powers to circumvent the safeguards of the U.S. criminal justice system.

By holding people in secret prisons, known as black sites, the CIA was able to question them over long periods, using the harshest interrogation tactics, without giving them access to lawyers. Obama came to office without a ready replacement for those secret prisons. The concern was that if a terrorist was sent directly to court, the government might never know what intelligence he had. With the black sites closed and Obama refusing to send more people to the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, it wasn't obvious where the U.S. would hold people for interrogation.

And that's where the warships came in.

16th April 2014, 02:30
Nothing new to you Tesla_WTC but this is quite comprehensive as a summary and also about a coming equivalent:

The Drug That Can Make You Kill (http://www.alternet.org/personal-health/drug-can-make-you-kill)

AlterNet (http://alternet.org) / By Martha Rosenberg (http://www.alternet.org/authors/martha-rosenberg)

A common malaria drug has been linked to murders and suicides.


March 26, 2014 |

Lariam (mefloquine) is one of the most widely used malaria drugs in America. Yet it has been linked to grisly crimes, like Army Staff Sgt. Robert Bales' 2012 murder of 16 Afghan (http://www.kpbs.org/news/2013/jul/15/soldier-malaria-lariam-robert-bales-massacre/) civilians, the murders of four wives of Fort Bragg soldiers in 2002 (http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_lariam_062504,00.html) and other extreme violence.

While the FDA beefed up warnings for Lariam last summer, especially about the drug's neurotoxic effects, and users are now given a medication guide and wallet card (http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/DrugSafety/UCM362232.pdf), Lariam and its generic versions are still the third most prescribed malaria medication (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/30/business/fda-strengthens-warnings-on-lariam-anti-malaria-drug.html). Last year there were 119,000 prescriptions between January and June. Though Lariam is banned among Air Force pilots, until 2011, Lariam was on the increase (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/military/story/2011-11-19/military-malaria-drug/51311040/1) in the Navy and Marine Corps.

The negative neurotoxic side effects of Lariam can last for "weeks, months, and even years," after someone stops using it, warns the VA. Medical and military authorities say the drug "should not be given to anyone with symptoms of a brain injury, depression or anxiety disorder," reported Army Times (http://www.armytimes.com/article/20090324/NEWS/903240308/Army-scales-back-use-anti-malaria-drug)—which is, of course, the demographic that encompasses "many troops who have deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan." In addition to Lariam's wide use in the military, the civilian population taking malaria drugs includes Peace Corps and aid workers, business travelers, news media, students, NGO workers, industrial contractors, missionaries and families visiting relatives, often bringing children.

What makes Lariam so deadly? It has the same features that made the street drug PCP/angel dust such an urban legend in the 1970s and 1980s. It can produce extreme panic, paranoia and rage in the user along with out-of-body " dissociative" and dream-like sensations so that a person performing a criminal act often believes someone else is doing it. An example of such dissociative effects was seen in Staff Sgt. Robert Bales' rampage; according to prosecutors at his trial, Bales slipped away from his remote Afghanistan post, Camp Belambay, in a T-shirt, cape (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/agent-reaction-afghan-massacre-was-severe) and night-vision goggles and no body armor to attack his first victims. He then returned to the base and "woke a fellow soldier, reported what he'd done, and said he was headed out to kill more."

In addition to Bales' 2012 attacks and the 2002 Fort Bragg attacks, Lariam was linked in news reports to extreme side effects in an army staff sergeant (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/6947472/ns/health-mental_health/t/hallucinations-linked-drug-given-troops/#.UzB_zBwZo3V) in Iraq in 2005 and to the suicide of an Army Reservist (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/11/AR2008101101516.html) in 2008.

Former Army psychiatrist Elspeth Cameron Ritchie, former U.S. Army Major and Preventive Medicine Officer Remington Nevin and Jerald Block with the Portland Veterans Affairs Medical Center agree in a recent paper (http://www.jaapl.org/content/41/2/224.full) that Lariam may be behind "seemingly spectacular and impulsive suicides." It can produce "derealization and depersonalization, compulsions toward dangerous objects, and morbid curiosity about death," they write, describing frequent hallucinations "involving religious or morbid themes" and "a sense of the presence of a nearby nondescript figure." The researchers refer to two reports of people jumping out of windows on Lariam under the false belief that their rooms were on fire.

Lariam is one of five malaria drugs listed by the CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/malaria/travelers/drugs.html) for people who will be exposed to malaria. Other drugs include Malarone, a combination of the drugs atovaquone and Proguanil, Aralen (chloroquine,) primaquine and the antibiotic doxycycline marketed as Vibramycin. None of the drugs are ideal—Malarone can have renal effects and Aralen can have liver, blood and skin effects. Some do not work right away or are ineffective against resistant malaria strains. But the main reason for Lariam's historic popularity is that it is taken weekly, unlike all the other drugs (except chloroquine) which are taken daily. Some travelers also report that Lariam is cheaper than other malaria drugs (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/19/army-mefloquine-green-beret-anti-malarial-drug_n_3953584.html) and say they only experience symptoms like memory loss and vivid nightmares. Still, since awareness of Lariam's dangers, many users are now required to read and sign an informed consent form.

Early Example of Public Funding of Pharma Profits
Lariam was an early example of "technology-transfer" between publicly funded (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1847738/) and academic research and Big Pharma, driven by the Bayh-Dole Act of 1980. The Bayh-Dole Act dangled the riches of “industry” before medical institutions just as the former were floundering and the latter was booming, observes (http://bostonreview.net/angell-big-pharma-bad-medicine) Marcia Angell, former editor-in-chief of the New England Journal of Medicine. (http://bostonreview.net/angell-big-pharma-bad-medicine) Turning universities into think tanks for Big Pharma has been so profitable, Northwestern University (http://www.counterpunch.org/2009/01/27/son-of-neurontin-meets-the-fibromyalgia-epidemic/) made $700 million when it sold Lyrica, discovered by one of its chemists, to Pfizer enabling it to build a new research building.

Lariam was developed by the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research (WRAIR) in the 1960s and '70s after a drug-resistant strain of malaria did not respond to medications and sickened troops during the Vietnam War. Though Lariam was developed with our tax dollars, all phase I and phase II clinical trial data were given to Hoffman LaRoche and Smith Kline free of charge (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1847738/) in what was the first private public partnership between the U.S. Department of Defense and Big Pharma . You're welcome! It was approved by the FDA in 1989.

Roche, which retained the patent, did well with the government largesse. In 2009, it spent $46.8 (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/13/business/worldbusiness/13drugs.html?_r=0) billion to buy Genentech (for comparison the entire yearly budget (http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/05/what-does-60-billion-buy/) of the National Institutes of Health is $60 billion a year) and its cancer drug, Avastin, makes up to $100,000 per patient (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/health/06avastin.html?pagewanted=all) per year, despite reports of its limited effectiveness for some cancers for which it is used.

Nor was the testing of Lariam kosher. It was first tested on prisoners (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1847738/) and soldiers (http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-874.html) who are not necessarily able or willing to refuse participation in clinical trials and it was also widely given to Guantanamo detainees (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22882560). Phase III trials, supposed to be conducted on larger patient groups of up to 3,000 people, were not conducted at all, wrote the Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1847738/) in 2007 and "there was no serious attempt prior to licensing to explore the potential drug-drug interactions." In fact, all users "have been involved in a natural experiment to determine the true safety margin," says the journal, because "Consumers have been unwitting recruits to this longitudinal study, rather than informed partners." No wonder Lariam causes adverse effects in as many as 67 percent (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/08/opinion/crazy-pills.html?_r=0) of users.

As seen with other drugs that have neuropsychiatric effects, like the antidepressant Cymbalta (http://www.counterpunch.org/2009/02/18/it-s-the-cymbalta-stupid/) and seizure drug Neurontin, (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martha-rosenberg/pfizer-neurontin-suicide_b_875603.html) the military, government and Big Pharma blamed the effects on the patients not the drugs. When the wives of four Fort Bragg soldiers were murdered during the summer of 2002—one was stabbed 50 times and set on fire—military investigators blamed "existing marital problems and the stress of separation while soldiers are away on duty," instead of Lariam. Right. Three of the four soldiers also took their own lives.

The military, government and Big Pharma similarly blame the current suicide epidemic among military personnel on factors others than the ubiquitous psychiatric drugs in use—even though 30 percent of the victims never deployed and 60 percent never saw combat. A recent five-year study by Pharma-funded academic, government and military researchers about military suicides does not even consider (http://www.reportingonhealth.org/2014/03/12/drug-company-consultants-explain-military-suicides-kind) the drugs given to an estimated fourth of soldiers—almost all of which carry warnings about suicide.

It is also worth noting that the alarming side-effects linked to Lariam which patients, doctors and public health officials reported for at least a decade, were not acknowledged until profits ran out and Lariam became a generic, as has happened with other risky drugs (http://www.alternet.org/personal-health/7-drugs-whose-dangerous-risks-emerged-only-after-big-pharma-made-its-money?paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark). When sentiment turned against Lariam in 2008, its manufacturer, Hoffmann–La Roche (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mefloquine) ceased marketing it in the US and now the words "Lariam" and "malaria" draw no search results on its US website. Who, us?

One group that has tried to raise awareness of the dangers of Lariam is Mefloquine (Lariam) Action, (http://www.lariaminfo.org/category/homepage/) created in 1996 when founder, Susan Rose, noticed Peace Corps workers given Lariam were falling ill. Rose soon enlarged the scope of Mefloquine (Lariam) Action to include travelers and military personnel.

"This black box [the strongest FDA warning on drug packaging] officially establishes that mefloquine can cause permanent, brain damage and more. It validates what we have been saying since the beginning," Jeanne Lese, director of Mefloquine (Lariam) Action told me. The problem is far from solved by the black box, says Lese. "The drug continues to be given out at travel clinics all over the U.S. and elsewhere every single day. What's more, it is often prescribed with no hint to the patient about the black box, and no screening for contraindications such as history of previous depression or other neuropsych problems."

Lariam's Checkered Past
The case of the four Fort Bragg soldiers charged with killing their wives during the summer of 2002 is not the only time Lariam has been in the news. There was also the case of Staff Sergeant Andrew Pogany who volunteered to serve in Iraq in 2003 and experienced such panic and PTSD symptoms in the war theater (http://www.randomhouse.com/book/230995/born-with-a-junk-food-deficiency-by-martha-rosenberg), he was sent back to Fort Carson and charged with “cowardly conduct as a result of fear.” Pogany and his attorney were able to prove that his reaction probably stemmed from Lariam and he received an honorable discharge. But Pogany, understandably, became a vehement advocate for the rights of soldiers with PTSD, especially those who have been given psychoactive drugs that make them worse.

The wife of a 17-year marine veteran I interviewed in 2011 (http://www.randomhouse.com/book/230995/born-with-a-junk-food-deficiency-by-martha-rosenberg) reported a similar story. After being deployed twice to Iraq and once to Afghanistan, her husband developed extreme PTSD. "He went from being loving on the phone, to saying he never wanted to see me and our daughter again," the wife said. "He said not to even bother coming to the airport to meet him, because he would walk right past us." When the couple did reunite, the husband was frail and thin, and "the whites of his eyes were brown," says the wife. The formerly competent drill instructor became increasingly and inexplicably unpredictable, suicidal and violent and was incarcerated in the brig at Camp Lejeune for assault in 2011. I asked the wife to ask him during her visits if he had been given Lariam and she said he said yes.

In the nonfiction book, Murder in Baker Company (http://www.amazon.com/Murder-Baker-Company-American-Soldiers/dp/1556529473): How Four American Soldiers Killed One of Their Own, Lariam is also raised as a possible factor in the brutal death of Army Specialist Richard Davis. When asked about Lariam in the crime in an interview (http://everythingnonfiction.com/interview-with-cilla-mccain-author-of-murder-in-baker-company/), the author Cilla McCain said, "Although it was never mentioned in court, I think if this same case were to happen today, it would definitely be considered as a defense. These soldiers were overdosing on Lariam in massive amounts because there wasn’t proper oversight. In reality, proper oversight is impossible in a war zone but steps could have been taken to make sure that overdosing didn’t occur. Even without over-dosage the Lariam issue is a volatile one at best and I’m positive we will be hearing more about the damage it has caused for years to come. Some scientists are linking Lariam directly to the historical rise of suicides in the United States."

As a dark cloud grows over Lariam, there is both good and bad news. The good news is in 2013, the Surgeon General's Office (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/19/army-mefloquine-green-beret-anti-malarial-drug_n_3953584.html) of the Army Special Operations Command told commanders and medical workers that soldiers thought to be suffering from PTSD or other psychological problems or even faking mental impairment may actually be Lariam victims. The bad news is a new malaria drug developed at Reed during the same time period as Lariam called tafenoquine is now fast-tracking toward FDA approval. Jeanne Lese and Remington Nevin worry that the new drug has not been adequately tested for the same types of neurotoxic effects (http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/meeting_abstract/23/1_MeetingAbstracts/529.3) seen with Lariam and that it will become Lariam 2.0.

Martha Rosenberg is an investigative health reporter and the author of "Born With a Junk Food Deficiency: How Flaks, Quacks and Hacks Pimp The Public Health (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1616145935/counterpunchmaga) (Random House)."

16th April 2014, 03:52
It's a tragedy that such drugs are used, instead of MMS.

16th April 2014, 17:03
Hey guys, I didn't know Bales wore a weird outfit the first time he killed.
Did you know that?? from the article above.

(@ Paul I would like to hear more about MMS)

17th April 2014, 12:54

... I would like to hear more about MMS

Until Paul gets back...

Basically, MMS was discovered by Jim Humble, initially, as a cure for malaria:

Why this is important: The picture above shows a successful International Red Cross operation where they proved that a new cure for malaria works in less than one day. You may already know that at this time more than 1.2 million people die from malaria each year, most of them children. None of these people need to die because there is a quick cure for malaria that takes less than a day and costs less that 25 cents US. More that 200 million people get malaria each year causing much poverty throughout the world in malaria countries. The International Red Cross knows of this quick malaria cure which they tested and proved on the 11th -16th of December 2012. -==> Read more (https://g2cforum.org/index.php/list/general-discussion/27313-petition-int-red-cross-treat-the-victims-of-malaria-who-are-dying#37951).

From: http://www.jimhumble.biz/
... cheapest and most effective cure for malaria... hence Jim's troubles with the FDA and fat pharma...

Jim Humble update (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?937-Jim-Humble-update)

Autism and Chlorine Dioxide facts (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69894-Autism-and-Chlorine-Dioxide-facts)

Jim Humble and MMS (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4462-Jim-Humble-and-MMS)

Miracle Mineral Solution #2 (MMS2) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?906-Miracle-Mineral-Solution-2--MMS2-)