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greybeard
3rd October 2013, 20:52
Miley Cyrus receives an open letter from Sinead O'Connor saying she'll 'end up in rehab' and urging her not to be made into a 'prostitute'

As if this saga couldn't get any more dramatic, Sinead O'Connor gets involved.

The Nothing Compares 2 U singer has sent an open letter to Miley Cyrus, urging her not to be made into a 'prostitute' by the music business.
Sinead O'Connor, whose Nothing Compares 2 U video inspired Miley Cyrus, has written an open letter to the sing …

Miley Cyrus previously revealed her inspiration for the Wrecking Ball video was Sinead O'Connor's Nothing Compares …


Warning her that getting naked is not what she's made famous for and that it will ruin her career, Sinead tells Miley to focus on her music.

Referring to the Wrecking Ball video - which Miley previously claimed she took inspiration from Sinead for - writes: "I am extremely concerned for you that those around you have led you to believe, or encouraged you in your own belief, that it is in any way 'cool' to be naked and licking sledgehammers in your videos.

"It is in fact the case that you will obscure your talent by allowing yourself to be pimped, whether it’s the music business or yourself doing the pimping."


She goes on to say Miley is foolish if she thinks she's being empowered by getting naked and making a scene, instead warning her that she'll end up in rehab if she's not careful.

Sinead added: "The music business doesn’t give a s*** about you, or any of us. They will prostitute you for all you are worth, and cleverly make you think it's what YOU wanted... and when you end up in rehab as a result of being prostituted, 'they' will be sunning themselves on their yachts in Antigua, which they bought by selling your body and you will find yourself very alone.

"None of the men oggling you give a s*** about you either, do not be fooled. Many’s the woman mistook lust for love. If they want you sexually that doesn’t mean they give a f*** about you.

"All the more true when you unwittingly give the impression you don’t give much of a f*** about yourself, and when you employ people who give the impression they don’t give much of a f*** about you either.

"No one who cares about you could support your being pimped... and that includes you yourself."

The 46-year-old wrote the letter after various requests from newspapers to give comment on Miley's video

The singer is known for kicking back at the media and keeping her private life separate after a tumultuous few years in the 1990s following her quick rise to fame.

Sinead recently revealed she owes herself an apology for allowing the industry to get the better of her adding: "[I would say sorry] To myself, for telling myself I was a piece of s**t for so many years, when, in fact, I'm wonderful."

Miley is yet to respond to the letter, instead tweeting a picture of herself topless on Instagram earlier this morning.




Sinead's letter in full:

Dear Miley,
I wasn’t going to write this letter, but today I’ve been dodging phone calls from various newspapers who wished me to remark upon your having said in Rolling Stone your “Wrecking Ball” video was designed to be similar to the one for “Nothing Compares” … So this is what I need to say … And it is said in the spirit of motherliness and with love.

I am extremely concerned for you that those around you have led you to believe, or encouraged you in your own belief, that it is in any way “cool” to be naked and licking sledgehammers in your videos. It is in fact the case that you will obscure your talent by allowing yourself to be pimped, whether it’s the music business or yourself doing the pimping.

Nothing but harm will come in the long run, from allowing yourself to be exploited, and it is absolutely NOT in ANY way an empowerment of yourself or any other young women, for you to send across the message that you are to be valued (even by you) more for your sexual appeal than your obvious talent.
I am happy to hear I am somewhat of a role model for you and I hope that because of that you will pay close attention to what I am telling you.

The music business doesn’t give a sh– about you, or any of us. They will prostitute you for all you are worth, and cleverly make you think its what YOU wanted.. and when you end up in rehab as a result of being prostituted, “they” will be sunning themselves on their yachts in Antigua, which they bought by selling your body and you will find yourself very alone.

None of the men oggling you give a sh– about you either, do not be fooled. Many’s the woman mistook lust for love. If they want you sexually that doesn’t mean they give a f— about you. All the more true when you unwittingly give the impression you don’t give much of a f— about yourself. And when you employ people who give the impression they don’t give much of a f— about you either. No one who cares about you could support your being pimped.. and that includes you yourself.

Yes, I’m suggesting you don’t care for yourself. That has to change. You ought be protected as a precious young lady by anyone in your employ and anyone around you, including you. This is a dangerous world. We don’t encourage our daughters to walk around naked in it because it makes them prey for animals and less than animals, a distressing majority of whom work in the music industry and its associated media.

You are worth more than your body or your sexual appeal. The world of showbiz doesn’t see things that way, they like things to be seen the other way, whether they are magazines who want you on their cover, or whatever.. Don’t be under any illusions.. ALL of them want you because they’re making money off your youth and your beauty.. which they could not do except for the fact your youth makes you blind to the evils of show business. If you have an innocent heart you can’t recognise those who do not.

I repeat, you have enough talent that you don’t need to let the music business make a prostitute of you. You shouldn’t let them make a fool of you either. Don’t think for a moment that any of them give a flying f— about you. They’re there for the money.. we’re there for the music. It has always been that way and it will always be that way. The sooner a young lady gets to know that, the sooner she can be REALLY in control.
You also said in Rolling Stone that your look is based on mine.

The look I chose, I chose on purpose at a time when my record company were encouraging me to do what you have done. I felt I would rather be judged on my talent and not my looks. I am happy that I made that choice, not least because I do not find myself on the proverbial rag heap now that I am almost 47 yrs of age.. which unfortunately many female artists who have based their image around their sexuality, end up on when they reach middle age.

Real empowerment of yourself as a woman would be to in future refuse to exploit your body or your sexuality in order for men to make money from you. I needn’t even ask the question.. I’ve been in the business long enough to know that men are making more money than you are from you getting naked. It’s really not at all cool. And it’s sending dangerous signals to other young women.

Please in future say no when you are asked to prostitute yourself. Your body is for you and your boyfriend. It isn’t for every spunk-spewing dirtbag on the net, or every greedy record company executive to buy his mistresses diamonds with.

As for the shedding of the Hannah Montana image.. whoever is telling you getting naked is the way to do that does absolutely NOT respect your talent, or you as a young lady. Your records are good enough for you not to need any shedding of Hannah Montana. She’s waaaaaaay gone by now.. Not because you got naked but because you make great records.

Whether we like it or not, us females in the industry are role models and as such we have to be extremely careful what messages we send to other women. The message you keep sending is that it’s somehow cool to be prostituted.. it’s so not cool Miley.. it’s dangerous.

Women are to be valued for so much more than their sexuality. we aren’t merely objects of desire. I would be encouraging you to send healthier messages to your peers.. that they and you are worth more than what is currently going on in your career.

Kindly fire any motherf—er who hasn’t expressed alarm, because they don’t care about you.


http://uk.omg.yahoo.com/gossip/110--pop/miley-cyrus-receives-open-letter-from-sinead-o-connor-end-up-in-rehab-urging-not-to-prostitute-101405199.html
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giovonni
3rd October 2013, 21:12
Thanks Chris ...

it appears she's quite aware of the pitfalls of her chosen path ...

"My mom is always telling me it takes a long time to get to the top, but a short time to get to the bottom."
Miley Cyrus

greybeard
3rd October 2013, 21:19
The only thing that concerns me is that young girls are getting the impression, that, if you want to be successful in the music industry you have to be prepared to do soft porn music videos to promote your career.
I think Sinead really knows what she is talking about.
Chris

Wind
3rd October 2013, 21:29
The music industry is just absolutely twisted.

greybeard
3rd October 2013, 21:56
Abusive men!!!
This is one place it starts--- the sexual projection by the music industry.
Chris

Camilo
3rd October 2013, 22:17
What a waste of time. To much attention is being given to this lost girl.

Carmen
3rd October 2013, 22:19
Her farther especially must be aware of all the pitfalls of the music industry. Surely he could have given her some some advice. It was a great letter from Sinead. Thanks for posting it Greybeard. As you say, it's not what Miley is doing to herself so much it's the role model to young girls that is just awful.

Melinda
3rd October 2013, 22:35
Having known a number of women in the music industry over the years, Sinead’s letter almost made me weep. Her heart has always been open and her spirit an extraordinary one. Whenever I've heard her speak in interview she has always come across as a deeply sincere individual.

I don’t much care for pop culture, but I do care about the effects it has on young, impressionable souls. Souls that are so saturated with the vacuous nonsense put before them, disguised as art and dressed up as cutting-edge expressions of timeless spirit and passion, that they have no other frame of reference.

Reading Sinead’s words I find myself thinking, and not for the first time, that I’m very glad she’s around and speaking her truth. Young women need to hear it. People need to hear it. I know I needed to hear it, if only to put my hand on my heart in both relief and solidarity. Thank you for posting greybeard, and thank you Sinead O’ Connor.

Perhaps men and women are here to protect and inspire one another, to create harmony in supporting one another.

It can be challenging, like all things can - but so very beautiful.

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Dorjezigzag
3rd October 2013, 22:50
The whole Mickey mouse club thing seems to work on a formula.

They take these innocent kids which you can relate to the sacred and then we watch them fall to the profane.

This seems to create a scandal as is happening here and creates interest, sells records

There is a whole formula behind this, Madonna, although not from disney, is a classic example with her whole virgin/****(prostitute) sacred/profane formula.
Sinead o'coner and Madonna came on the scene at a similar time, who seems to have the easier ride? who was more in control?

Sinead has never really come to terms with her sexuality, and carries a lot of religious baggage. She has spent a lot of her life with major mental health problems

I don't think Miley is a Britney and is heading for a meltdown although I could be wrong, I actually think she is enjoying what she is doing and is handling it.

I think it is a valid point though that perhaps the example she is setting will lead girls astray, but you know what most girls are a lot more savy that some guys give credit and many will just see it as fun and not take it too seriously

Do we now complain when elvis Presley gyrates his hips (obviously he can't now but on video), which is when you think about it simulating the sexual act, which was a massive scandal at the time.

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/e8/9a/e89ac47cd49caf4fb1392e9b6c053b2b.jpg?itok=gs8aWEMc
Mick Jagger in 1972, is this OK?

Should women be free to express there sexuality and not be frowned upon when they wear a short skirt or get flirtatious.

I'm sure you are aware that a lot of abuse actually comes from men who feel it is there duty to punish women for being what they consider to be ****s (prostitutes).

Many a serial killer targets what they consider to be loose women or prostitutes.
The witch hunts often focused on beautiful women

Don't get me wrong I do think Miley has a lot more class than perhaps she is demonstrating, unlike a lot of these artists I actually think there is some substance, but I also don't want this to become a Miley witch hunt, which happened to Britney some years ago

Sorry got to go now, practicing my twirking:p

Benevolent Bear
3rd October 2013, 23:19
When a women has to sneak around to breast feed her baby as not to offend someone, and a young girl gets naked to sell a record, makes for a confusing world to live in.

Miley achieved what she set out to do and that is be the talk of the (insert whatever you choose, forum, water cooler, etc.)! She chose her path or has it chosen for her, who is to say where it will lead.

East Sun
3rd October 2013, 23:27
And Michael Jackson had nothing good to say about the music industry either. And he should know.

LivioRazlo
4th October 2013, 01:35
I've lost all interest in the mainstream music industry, and it's people exactly like Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber and many many others who've shown through their public actions rather than their lyrics. I mainly jam out to classical, jazz and some Middle Eastern beats, but from time to time, you can by chance find me listening to some classic rock, heavy metal and old school rap, you know, when mainstream music lyrics had meaning?

Anchor
4th October 2013, 09:04
Lots of love for Sinead here.

She is still making great music.

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araucaria
4th October 2013, 09:18
What a waste of time. To much attention is being given to this lost girl.
Quite. But on the other hand, better now than forty years hence, as with the victims of the likes of Jimmy Savile.

Dorjezigzag
4th October 2013, 11:56
I've lost all interest in the mainstream music industry, and it's people exactly like Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber and many many others who've shown through their public actions rather than their lyrics. I mainly jam out to classical, jazz and some Middle Eastern beats, but from time to time, you can by chance find me listening to some classic rock, heavy metal and old school rap, you know, when mainstream music lyrics had meaning?

Unfortunately there are not many people around like you, the public gets the pop/rock stars they deserve. Many don't want to think about things, like ostriches with their head in the sand.

I've been involved in the following song, I think it is pop/jazz/classical with meaning, there are quite a few people out there doing stuff like that in all genres, I put it up on Avalon and got a good response but as far as the general public is concerned, there mind is more focused on sex and scandal than meaning and depth. Thats not to say that sexual expression does not have its place it does, music and sex have allways gone hand and hand but this energy should be channeled into positivity and love . The record companies are obviously now resistant to songs with meaning, but their power and control is diminishing with the new media
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Its funny Sinead is helping (attacking?) Miley and on the back of that is getting loads of publicity and this will help to sell her more records, shes complaining about a system but she's playing it herself. If she did not want self publicity why did she not just send a personal message to Miley rather than an open letter.

I do think Sinead does have a huge heart and I think it is such a shame that she has wasted all those years and talent with mental health problems, I hope she is sorting herself out now and I do wish her all the happiness she deserves, as I do Miley.

Interestingly, Madonna has now come out with this whole revolution concept, obviously anything Madonna says I take with a grain of salt but perhaps this could be positive


The superstar spoke to CNN's Anderson Cooper on Thursday about her new project, Art for Freedom. With it, she is inviting fans to submit original video, music, poetry and photography to fight oppression, intolerance and complacency through art


http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/03/showbiz/celebrity-news-gossip/madonna-anderson-cooper-interview/index.html?hpt=hp_c3

greybeard
4th October 2013, 13:20
Sinnead O'Connor has hit back at Miley Cyrus in another open letter after the popstar poked fun at Sinead's mental health, comparing her to Amanda Bynes.
Miley's offensive tweets came on the same day as Sinead wrote an open letter to her, urging Miley to tone down her sexualised image.

Miley, 20, then took to Twitter in response but rather than posting a considered message, she mocked Sinead's now infamous breakdown.


The singer posted a screengrab of Sinead's tweets alongside the caption: "Before Amanda Bynes there was..."
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4th October 2013, 13:44
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grannyfranny100
4th October 2013, 15:17
Perhaps the music industry needs to hear a revolt from parents such as: Thank you for the Miley Cyrus trash. It gave us a chance to watched it together and have a clear the air family discussion.

Our conclusion is that the industry has been moving closer and closer to going over the edge. Now you have done it and the blowback by parents and children alike will be hurting your bottom line.

Maybe it is time for the industry to rethink its marketing ploys. Thinking young adults can see what you are up to and are insulted. They don't like what you suggest for their behavior and values. You are demeaning human kind and we aren't happy about.

Why don't you set up a text message poll so you find out what the kids have to say when they can make private statements free of family discussion posturing?

Maia Gabrial
4th October 2013, 15:49
I'm sorry, but Miley is probably a Monarch mind controlled victim. Just as most child stars are. That's the sad part in all of this. She won't see what she's lost until it's gone....

Years ago, my daughter pointed out an interesting thing about young female singers. In the beginning they all look cute and fresh and innocent. And then, they start wearing trashy, suggestive outfits and wearing tons of make-up that they didn't used to, to make them look more "mature and sophisticated". Yeah, right? I believe that once they lose their innocence, they can never go back. They're on their way out and fighting the inevitable. They'll be has-beens trying to hang onto the glory days for as long as they can. The public is always ready for a new cute, fresh and innocent star....You can even line up the stars photos and see the progressive changes.

To the rest of us, it's obvious what's happening to these people. WE would never let this happen to us, right? But these stars are addicted to the fame. There isn't anything they wouldn't do for it.... So sad.... :tsk:

grannyfranny100
4th October 2013, 18:17
Maia, I agree with what you are saying. Some folks even say the entire Disney group is part of the illuminati. I always assume her dad was involved in her Disney years to keep her from turning into what she is now. Others say her parents went along with this and signed contracts. Maybe she is a Monarch mind control victim. I find that hard to believe how some people are addicted to fame and L.A. is filled with folks working on that one. I find it most unpleasant to be there.

Ba-ba-Ra
4th October 2013, 20:47
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I weep. . . . I weep for my country and the planet.

I weep as I watch not just the music industry, but the movie industry, the TV industry, the advertising agencies and on and on – completely sexualize our country. Not just our youth, but everyone, straight up to our clergy, our corporate leaders and our politicians. Not too long ago we had a Congressman who took a picture of his private parts and email it to some woman he met on line. He was forced to resign and then a year or so later he ran for mayor of New York City, and according to the polls was doing very well (what???) until it was revealed he was having phone sex with several ladies online.

I weep as I watch the homeless population in my country grow – and then hear that some TV star is making $2 million dollars and episode – or some movie star is making $15 million a picture, while our teachers are being laid off and the remaining ones having to have pension or salaries reduced.

I weep when I look at worldwide poverty and hear that American corporations have billions in off shore funds and that my country has spent trillions on wars in the last 10 years where hundreds of thousands of civilians are killed and millions displaced.

Yes, I weep for Miley Cyrus, but I recognize that if – and that is a big IF – she is saved (and I hope she is) there will be 10 more in line to take her place – because I realize that If we don’t change the system, we won’t be able to change the behavior of the people in the system.

How we change the system is another discussion.

Tesla_WTC_Solution
4th October 2013, 21:44
thank you for posting this, Greybeard!!

I saw it on Yahoo Shine (loL!) and was afraid to post it, but it was also impressed by Sinead's letter.
It was very... frank and open. Zinnnggggg.

Dorjezigzag
4th October 2013, 21:48
This is what Johnny Sharp from the UK Daily Mirror has said, putting it here for consideration, there is always at least 2 sides to a story, he's actually made a lot of the points I did, Elvis's hips even get a mention



Writer Johnny Sharp on why Sinead O'Connor is just as much of an attention seeker as Miley Cyrus


corageous. Brave. Fearless. These are words that always seem to be applied to Sinead O’Connor, for reasons that remain unclear. And I guess you could argue it was brave of her to write an open letter to another, arguably more courageous (if misguided) pop star, Miley Cyrus.

Brave like most other curiously high-profile things Sinead has done, apart from making middle-of-the-road, unremarkable records, which she has also occasionally managed to do in the last 20 years. And how selfless it was to not just keep her ‘motherly’ advice private, but to broadcast her disapproval in public. Because let’s face it, Sinead: Without your input Miley would surely be unaware of the widespread public distaste for her actions, right?

To be fair, I don’t doubt that Sinead O’Connor’s concern for Ms Cyrus is genuine. But I also know that she is a born attention-seeker very much in the Miley mould, and can’t resist living her life through a media lens.

Which wouldn’t be so bad if her response wasn’t so depressingly redolent of the finger-wagging reaction of feminist commentators to her MTV awards performance. Understandably, they were no fans of the sleazy R’n’B oil slick that is Robin Thicke in the first place, so Miley was onto a loser as soon as she played the sex doll role in his naff little mime routine.

And by the time she followed it up with that video, she had suddenly become womankind’s Public Enemy No.1 in some people’s eyes. But the reaction was typical of a depressingly restrictive, moralising strand of feminism that has an alarming amount in common with the get-thee-to-a-nunnery attitude of the Christian right.

I had always been under the impression that feminism was supposed to free women to express themselves as they saw fit, not shackle them according to the finger-wagging social mores of their parents – the kind of opposition Sinead has long experience of from her own early career.

And if there’s one arena where that freedom should be sacrosanct, it’s pop music, where the right to make an enormous, shocking berk of yourself in front of millions is a proud tradition central to an art form where, as Adam Ant so rightly pointed out, ridicule is nothing to be scared of.


If you want female artists to be ‘liberated’ and ‘empowered, then you have to give them the freedom and the power to make their own mistakes. Sure, Miley will probably look back in 20 years (or probably more like two) and cringe at her antics in much the same way viewers across the globe did after she writhed around like a tribute act at a porn convention. But that’s her lookout, and it should remain so. Sure, she’s young, but she’s also old enough to know what she’s doing.

Besides, there’s also the age-old double standard at work here. If Justin Bieber decided to take his top off (oh, sorry, he already does that) and rub his crotch while dry-humping a dancer (and he probably does that too), we might think it similarly unseemly, but he wouldn’t make headlines.

Because it’s OK for men to express their sexuality on stage, as they have done since Elvis first thrust his hips. So why not women?

It’s also patronising in the extreme for Sinead to suggest it was others ‘telling you getting naked is the way to (shed your Hannah Montana image)’, as if Miley didn’t have a choice in this matter and was somehow a helpless puppet in the evil hands of record company ‘pimps’.

Clearly, Miss C is out to shock in much the same way Sinead O’Connor was when she first shaved her head, and to send out a message saying ‘I’m not your little girl any more’. Whether she’s done that half as skilfully as her pop predecessors, Sinead included, is highly debatable, but I’ll tell you what – she’s got the effect she wanted, and then some.

Would she have made the cover of Rolling Stone magazine if she’d toned it down? Would she have been the most talked-about pop star on the planet if she’d put her tongue away and told Robin Thicke to follow his Blurred Lines off the edge of a cliff? Would we be writing these articles about her? Answers in an open letter, haters.

If I was Miley I’d be sorely tempted to do much ruder things with that sledgehammer next time around, by way of flipping a filthy finger to her detractors. Already, in another move of questionable taste, she has tweeted screengrabs of a string of Sinead’s posts appealing for help dealing with mental illness earlier this year. Out of order, but again, no more than a 20-year-old Sinead would have done.

And sure enough, almost instantly, Sinead reacted to Miley’s childish response by dropping the veil of maternal concern and launching into her own venomous, conservative barrage of insults, accusing Miley of everything from being thick and ‘a danger to women’ to ‘getting your tits out’ (since when was the naked female form, private parts concealed, tantamount to soft porn? Unless we’re taking a strictly Victorian view here…) That is, of course, after having already repeatedly compared the 20-year-old to a prostitute. Well, Sinead, if you can’t take a bit of cheap abuse, which you clearly can’t, then rather than accusing Miley of trying to ‘damage me and my career’, you really shouldn’t dish it out, unsolicited, in the first place.

Of course, it might all backfire on the youngster in the long term. Or will it? After all, if Miley needs to look at another crop-haired singer to see what a talent for controversy-mongering and dramatising your personal life can do to sustain a career for decades on the back of a single, solitary hit, she need look no further than Sinead O’Connor.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/sinead-oconnor-should-shut-up-2339224

Anchor
4th October 2013, 23:52
The media doesnt really like Ms O'Conner does it :)

They dont like it when other people say the things that need saying and working around thier control of the message.

LOL - Sinead O'Conner has my complete support in whatever she wants to say, her message was for more than Miley Cyrus - which is why it was done in public.

It was a massive F**k you to the music business.

No wonder it will draw a lot of fire from the mainstream.

Dorjezigzag
5th October 2013, 00:11
The media doesnt really like Ms O'Conner

No they love her, You will probably find most will be in support of her against the wicked witch of twirking, Miley, the media loves a train wreck,

whether the media has been good for Sinead is an another matter, but she keeps going back to it like a moth to the flame.

Now everyone is thinking its Mileys fault that we are in the Sh*t we are in, no its nothing to do with bankers who have put the world into a debt that can never be repaid.

Distration, scapegoat,

One think to consider, many totalitarian regimes have a puritanical view of sex, do you not consider that there is a programe of debasing sex and making it distasteful, when actually it is a beautiful thing.

Go to Germany in one of there many parks you will see naked people everywhere, this is not sexual it is just natural and beautiful

Miley may well be programmed but looking at some of the venom on this thread she is not the only one

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Tesla_WTC_Solution
5th October 2013, 00:20
LOL up there where I said "It was impressed" I meant to say I was impressed.

It also puts the lotion in the basket.

greybeard
5th October 2013, 22:08
Miley Cyrus, Rihanna and Britney's sexed up attempts to be ever more shocking reach new lows: What does it mean for their young fans?
As Miley, Britney and Rihanna all show off new lows in taste and decency, we asked a body language expert what this hyper-sexual pop culture could be doing to our children.
It seems wherever you look there's a young, female celebrity twerking, stripping or gyrating for a camera, be it in an official music video, public performance or just for a selfie on their camera-phone - uploaded to Twitter for all the world to see.

As Miley Cyrus reaches a new low in taste, in photos featuring her wearing very little and touching herself while gazing into the camera, we asked body language and social behaviour expert Judi James, what message Miley and other celebrities such as Rihanna and Britney are giving to young girls...
Judi says this is a power-play by stars.

"They feel their quasi-sexual posturing empowers them, almost putting them up and out of the reach of the average male," she explains.

"A lot of the sexual imagery they use is aggressive in the way it is performed, e.g. the twerking, where the woman mimics a female animal on heat demanding sex from a male. And the physical hints at nudity imply a level of body confidence that they might feel signals overall power and status.

"But all these displays can also have a massive downside. The twerking could also be seen as a female mimicking one of the most passive and submissive sexual roles, while the nudity could merely take us back to the days when women stripped and posed purely for male gratification."

Miley's concerted effort to shed her Disney skin has been gathering force, but though she's taking most of the column inches, she's hardly doing anything different to her peers. Rihanna's new video for Pour It Up gives common decency a run for its money and even Britney's latest, Work B****, has been banned from UK TV for its explicit content.

But rather than progress and empowerment, are these female stars just giving tweens and teens the impression that the only way to get noticed is to shed as many clothes as possible and publicise their burgeoning sexuality as overtly as they can?Rihanna's new video mines new levels of raunchy
Judi says: "It’s easy to see how these talented women have been caught up in their competitively shocking performances, in many ways they’re still competing with Madonna in her heyday, but these are also women with a past: not a sexual, controversial past but a career as squeaky-clean child stars and willing or unwilling role models to millions of kids.

"For parents there is a danger that what should be a normal rite of passage in terms of growing up gets exaggerates to bizarre extremes. Fans of these women might be at an age where they want to experiment with their styling but how ‘normal’ might it now appear to go to the kind of lengths Miley is going right now?

"Would anyone really like to define the dividing line between Miley’s twerks and Rhianna’s selfies and Page Three girls and strippers from the past?

"What might be seen as a bit of a joke between the stars and their audience will desensitise in terms of ability to shock (even royals have now been caught twerking and it’s sure to be a hit with party-loving grans who have had one glass of sherry too many this Christmas), meaning the pressure will be on to raise the bar even higher."Britney's new video Work B**** has been banned from UKTV
Judy adds that in terms of role-modelling, it depends how these stars really are in their day-to-day life. She points to female stars from the 60s and 70s, who openly experimented with drugs and were very open about their sexual incontinence - living a lifestyle that would be dangerous for their fans to follow. But she feels that this isn't what's happening here:

"Miley, Rhianna et al seem to be providing what might just be a fashion look.

"And the worst thing is to tut and act shocked. This is exactly what this behaviour is aimed at achieving. The longer parents rant and ban their kids from watching the more those kids will feel impelled to admire and copy."

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The Article with pictures here.

http://uk.lifestyle.yahoo.com/miley-cyrus-role-model-rihanna-britney-hyper-sexual-102554791.html

Dorjezigzag
5th October 2013, 22:17
"And the worst thing is to tut and act shocked. This is exactly what this behaviour is aimed at achieving. The longer parents rant and ban their kids from watching the more those kids will feel impelled to admire and copy

Exactly Greybeard

Nakedness and sexuality is beautiful, just not there version, well to me anyway

http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1890/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1890-28383.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_u3lFqBksmrE/TBHfLyOvdgI/AAAAAAAAfF0/Aiz7UB8jQZE/s1600/Woza-babes.jpg

greybeard
5th October 2013, 22:27
I agree with you totally.
Just a time and place for everything.
Nakedness is totally natural and I have happily spent time on nudist beaches.
Love making the most beautiful experience.

I wonder if the likes of Roy Orbison would be recognised as as great talent today.
He just stood there and produced the most beautiful sounds--- not a movement.
The voice said it all.

Chris

Rosieposie
6th October 2013, 06:00
I am in agreement that our bodies and our sexuality is a wonderful thing, however how it is being used and portrayed makes me feel ill. Instead of being a natural connected expression of self, industries like music, media etc and in fact any corporation trying to sell things has basically raped the very image of what it is. The messages being drummed in through these outlets continuously is that your body is hideous (.. so buy such and such to get a brief boost away from complete self hate) a man will never love you for who you are only for what you appear to be (if you are a female) and to a male it is you will never have a partner unless you have such and such.. etc so many harmful messages!

I don't watch any of it, I'm only 25 and haven't turned on the telly or listened to whatever crap they call modern music in years as it made me feel so sick I couldn't stand it. I am a beautiful, intelligent woman and I will never let them defile my sense of self and I will never let them defile my childrens hearts and minds in any way. If I had my way I would give them all a strong scolding and tell them that that is no way to treat the sacredness of self and that it is completely unacceptable behavior. People need to set some standards and protect their integrity!

PS. Melinda that is a beautiful picture, very much the balance and beauty of both the genders, ty!

mahalall
6th October 2013, 09:09
The manipulation of psychic reaction appears to be an every growing media art. Cutting and slicing images with the wow reaction factor-is an interesting tool to seed data in to the mind.

Viewing Miley Cyrus's work and the other work produced by Ms Diane Martel (thankyou-this resulted in me getting rid of the television)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Martel

If the so called illuminated ones think that the masses need this to overcome the dualistic nature of aversion and desire they need to seriously look in the mirror.

Maia Gabrial
7th October 2013, 16:08
Maia, I agree with what you are saying. Some folks even say the entire Disney group is part of the illuminati. I always assume her dad was involved in her Disney years to keep her from turning into what she is now. Others say her parents went along with this and signed contracts. Maybe she is a Monarch mind control victim. I find that hard to believe how some people are addicted to fame and L.A. is filled with folks working on that one. I find it most unpleasant to be there.

I read recently that Walt Disney was Illuminati....Creepy.

Dorjezigzag
7th October 2013, 17:04
Already we are seeing the horrendous effects of Miley on our culture, watch this video about where this can lead, but be warned it may be too much for some

Disgusting!

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greybeard
7th October 2013, 17:25
Stop it I like it. that was funny.
thanks

avid
7th October 2013, 18:11
I am so against the paedophilical/pornographisation of our society now. It's even promoted via MSM, all TV talent shows et al. Is this a ploy to destroy moral values, the family, and what we perceive as 'married life with 2 children'? What can we do about this insult to humane morality? Christians are now persecuted, every religious faith is maligned - except for 'the chosen' - as we are never allowed to criticize them. So who is behind all this vile, arrogant, promotion of violence and sexual perversion, who is promulgating TOTAL FEAR throughout global societies? Who is 'feeding' off our 'fear' - it is US - we are allowing all these negativities to overcome US. Refuse to participate. Do not vote on the MSM for the vilifacation of children such as the mind-controlled 'Miley Cyrus' and all of her ilk. Enough is enough. Apportion blame for yourselves - just look how the entertainment industry has been invaded by negativity since 'hip-hop' went nasty. There was a link in an early Camelot forum to this decisive announcement that the music business would go 'dark-side' - but I can't find it today. Hopefully, someone can. He was a music 'insider' and was told what to promote and he was horrified. Here we are today, deeper into the 'rabbit-hole' and even going into more horrendous situations. Why doesn't anyone object any more?

greybeard
7th October 2013, 18:20
Hi Avid Music posted info regarding your query on Hip hop

here

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63675-Please-watch-mind-blowing-Michael-Jackson-s-Last-Phone-Call-and-Hip-Hop-Conspiracy&p=735104&viewfull=1#post735104

avid
7th October 2013, 18:34
OMG - YES!!! Thank you so much Greybeard. Manipulation still 'rules' then...sadly. I despise Simon Cowell and his Freemason links. The poor and naive will still queue for anything and are still clutching at futile straws. We are such a gullible society at the moment....

johnf
7th October 2013, 18:47
Her is another prominent female singer speaking out about the whole trend!

http://www.scotsman.com/what-s-on/music/lennox-attack-on-overtly-sexualised-performances-1-3129093?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

I think it helps a lot to de-focus from the individuals caught up in the malestrom, and look at the whole thing.
Seems to be a healthy trend is picking up?

jf

Dorjezigzag
7th October 2013, 18:59
What I don't like about the whole reality TV X factor, pop idol model is that kids are waiting to be discovered and waiting to be told what to do rather than the old days, when they would create music in their bedrooms and garages that said something about them. I don't like this whole obsession with this generic voice as well, Artists like David Bowie, Ian Curtis, Kate Bush, Morrisey can not really sing in the traditional sense but they had something unique.

In the olden days the singing traveling Minstrel was one of the most powerful people in society because he/she could make a satirical song that could destroy someones career or standing. Aristocracy and the ruling classes lived in fear of them.

Hence the old saying ' give me control of the music and it matters not who makes the laws'

This allegedly was subverted by Meyer(?) Rothschild with the line ' give me control of the money supply and I care not who makes the laws'

Robin
8th October 2013, 04:37
People (Americans) seem to be more interested in football and Miley Cyrus than the government shutdown and Syria....how pathetic.

http://www.infowars.com/americans-more-interested-in-miley-cyrus-football-than-obamacare-or-govt-shutdown/

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johnf
9th October 2013, 04:20
And another famous woman speaks out on the Miley thing giving us reasons to
take our attention off the personalities and get back to principles.

http://omg.yahoo.com/blogs/celeb-news/gloria-steinem-responds-mileygate-013155221.html


jf