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Referee
13th October 2013, 01:34
A group of Alternative media personalities have been approached by The one peoples trust and the White Dragon Society included in some sort of offer (which is unclear at this time) is UN diplomatic immunity and large amount of money!

Oh4hnJ_h7_o

TargeT
13th October 2013, 01:55
seems a bit over the top.... I'd like to see a copy of this diplomatic immunity.

Referee
13th October 2013, 01:56
seems a bit over the top.... I'd like to see a copy of this diplomatic immunity.

Agreed as would I

SilentFeathers
13th October 2013, 01:57
Here we go again!

Rocky_Shorz
13th October 2013, 02:19
Ben did say HUUUUuuuge things are happening behind the scenes right now...


shhhh... :pound:

Heartsong
13th October 2013, 02:36
Souls being bought and sold.

Snookie
13th October 2013, 03:03
Would be very interesting to know who has signed up for this. Wasn't the OPPT exposed as BS (same $hit different pile?)

ghostrider
13th October 2013, 03:20
If they want control of the media , to shape public opinion , thats easy , just offer CNN a few billion and the talking heads will gladly read whatever you scroll by on the teleprompter ... no need for a super secret boy band ...

avid
13th October 2013, 10:32
http://understandingtheoppt.info/index.shtml Very interesting.

They don't accept donations, whereas other strange set-ups such as SWISSINDO and ITCCS require donations (smells like a couple of scams), see this post http://removingtheshackles.blogspot.be/2013/09/swissindo-and-itccs-and-case-of.html

778 neighbour of some guy
13th October 2013, 11:11
Cheap shots at Crowley and his credo, furthermore, every time I listen to Dutch he sounds more and more like a mouthpiece himself for whoknowswho for whoknowswhat, I cant put my finger on it, but there you go, imo he's just a dude who found his shtick or created one, he is definitely in need of an audience, I am not the most well informed guy at any rate, but it does strike me as odd that the average Avalonian has a much better inclination about what the f@ck is really going on this flying spaceball and who sh!tting on who and for what reasons than Dutch does, he is NOT an alternative news source, he is as mainstream as alternative could possibly get imo.

Just like the people who put out video's about the Illuminati, Bilderbergers, Rothschild, aliens and shmaliens and archons and shmargons, it has become mainstream, we Avalonians are not some clever minority who are on to something anymore, just go to youtube google any of the aforementioned and you will get bombarded with thousands upon thousands of these video's, who owns Youtube, not you or me, that's for sure, the really interesting stuff gets removed as soon as it hits the e waves, very little to no updates or discoveries are presented, almost every vid I see or document I read boils down to the same sh!t over and over and over again, just another prison, only this time with a view of a nice courtyard, but no more than that, we are just a stuck as we were before we started on this journey, the whole world knows and we haven't moved an inch, what is the goal, crash the world but first squeeze some more cash out of it, that's the most obvious and I think we agree this whats going on, but are we any closer to solving the issue, nah, Karen Hudes, nice girl, good intentions, but are any of the people we are witnessing or whistleblowers what they claim to be, someone's resume doesn't mean sh!t to me anymore, all you can tell from it is where they have been and what they have done ( say what they have done, for instance I can say pigs CAN fly whenever and wherever I want, doesn't make it true), what is their personal believe and ideology, that's what I am interested about, anyone could tell everyone all sorts of crap, you don't know me at all, you don't them at all, all you know is what they CHOOSE to show you, the rest is speculation, conjecture, guesswork, any data can be falsified and send through internet, any information.

Ah,,,,,,,,,,,,, that's better, just had to get that of my chest.

regards 778 ( just some f@cking guy)

Here is the most important conclusion for me, no matter who or what is pulling the strings for whatever reason, get independent of the system, with a maxed out barrel garden and a good water filter you are 3/4 on the way to become just that, independent, add solar panels and dig a well, you cant go wrong, no matter who's in charge, you WILL live and that's what we want, correct?

RMorgan
13th October 2013, 13:09
That's certainly very weird...

Anyway, I wouldn't advise anyone to swear an oath to such an obscure organization.

You know what would happen if someone breaks such oath, right? If the whole thing is indeed real, of course.

Raf.

SilentFeathers
13th October 2013, 13:47
That's certainly very weird...

Anyway, I wouldn't advise anyone to swear an oath to such an obscure organization.

You know what would happen if someone breaks such oath, right? If the whole thing is indeed real, of course.

Raf.

It's probably just a psyops/covert operation by the government to infiltrate (and buy) their way into the alternative media...to corrupt and control those that are speaking out and spreading facts. If this is even really happening of course.

Abhaya
13th October 2013, 13:47
Whaaaa this is really weird.......

Bill Ryan
13th October 2013, 13:47
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Hi, All:

Just watched this for the first time. High strangeness indeed (and nothing is impossible, for sure).

I'd like to state on record -- only because Dutchsinse mentioned that quite a number of video makers have been approached -- that I have NOT been approached by this group, and there's material in there I have just heard of the for first time here (the OPPT, etc).

The White Dragon Society I only knew of previously via Ben Fulford's reports. More later if I hear or come across anything else at all. There may possibly be one or two others I can cross-check with; for instance, I would imagine that David Icke and others would also have been contacted, it this is any any way real. I certainly know David well enough to know that he too would also not sign up for anything like this. This might just possibly have some interesting developments and side-stories attached.

RMorgan
13th October 2013, 13:55
Here's the link for the oath document, in case anyone wants to read it:

http://sincedutch.wordpress.com/2013/10/12/10122013-they-offered-me-the-world/

This whole thing is starting to smell mostly as a scam of some sort...I will believe it when he shows proof that one of his contacts indeed got an UN diplomatic immunity; This would prove that he's really dealing with a powerful organization...

Raf.

SilentFeathers
13th October 2013, 14:05
This whole thing is starting to smell mostly as a scam of some sort...Raf.

You are gifted with an acute sense of smell. :)

SilentFeathers
13th October 2013, 14:09
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Hi, All:

Just watched this for the first time. High strangeness indeed (and nothing is impossible, for sure).

I'd like to state on record -- only because Dutchsinse mentioned that quite a number of video makers have been approached -- that I have NOT been approached by this group, and there's material in there I have just heard of the for first time here (the OPPT, etc).

The White Dragon Society I only knew of previously via Ben Fulford's reports. More later if I hear or come across anything else at all. There may possibly be one or two others I can cross-check with; for instance, I would imagine that David Icke and others would also have been contacted, it this is any any way real. I certainly know David well enough to know that he too would also not sign up for anything like this. This might just possibly have some interesting developments and side-stories attached.

Bill, you should contact them, sign up, and get that big fat check.....finance and plant a few orchards, buy a bunch of farm equipment and other things, and then opt out of the program. LOL! This strategy seems to be the way "they" do business now-a-days!

778 neighbour of some guy
13th October 2013, 14:10
Here's the link for the oath document, in case anyone wants to read it:

http://sincedutch.wordpress.com/2013/10/12/10122013-they-offered-me-the-world/

This whole thing is starting to smell mostly as a scam of some sort...I will believe it when he shows proof that one of his contacts indeed got an UN diplomatic immunity; This would prove that he's really dealing with a powerful organization...

Raf.

Raf,

So far, until proven authentic, its a copy of a piece of paper, that you could write, I could write, anyone could write, military order UCC 2012096074, that's interesting, just watched a video about it and got an Anonymous message, on the other hand, we have seen hundreds of these by now.

regards

Ed

RMorgan
13th October 2013, 14:15
Here's the link for the oath document, in case anyone wants to read it:

http://sincedutch.wordpress.com/2013/10/12/10122013-they-offered-me-the-world/

This whole thing is starting to smell mostly as a scam of some sort...I will believe it when he shows proof that one of his contacts indeed got an UN diplomatic immunity; This would prove that he's really dealing with a powerful organization...

Raf.

Raf,

So far, until proven authentic, its a copy of a piece of paper, that you could write, I could write, anyone could write, military order UCC 2012096074, that's interesting, just watched a video about it and got an Anonymous message, on the other hand, we have seen hundreds of these by now.

regards

Ed

Sure. I agree with you...We're used to these sort of scams and hoaxes, after all. The alternative media is full of them.

Anyway, here's the military order UCC 2012096074 document:

http://oppt-in.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/MilitaryOrder.pdf

Since I'm not North American, and I don't know anything about your law, could anyone explain what does this document mean (if it means anything at all)?

Raf.

sheme
13th October 2013, 14:15
Interesting times, (This Army would it be underground flesh and blood) These white Dragons scaly?

christian
13th October 2013, 14:19
I think TOPPT is a lot of hot air, much like Fulford´s news stories. My hunch is dutchsinse is being targeted by COINTELPRO.

TOPPT is quite an old story, we had several threads about it on the forum. I commented here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54247-Abundance-For-All-Is-Upon-Us-&p=614946&viewfull=1#post614946) and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55882-Max-Igan-Round-Table-Discussion-What-the-FUQ-The-One-People-s-Public-Trust/page2) for example. As of now I fail to see how TOPPT could be the silver bullet. I have not found any good answers for the hard questions that I posed in regard to TOPPT.

I´m all for new initiatives and raising awareness, which applies to TOPPT to some extent, but TOPPT or The White Dragon Society won´t magically change everything and come as knights in shining armor. What it takes is for people to wake up en masse, this is a simple fact around which the awakening has revolved and will so in the future. It´s the real, the simple, the obvious, the hard way, the only way that could possibly really work in the long run.

Cognitive Dissident
13th October 2013, 14:29
Dutch sounds pretty sceptical. White Dragon Society, used to be the Black Dragon Society which supported Hirohito, he says (he describes it as a Japanese paramilitary organisation). He's saying that he's warning us about this and he doesn't want to be part of any orchestrated attempt to tell people what to do.

I doubt that these people really are the White Dragon Society, but they can claim to be, or maybe they are some revival of it. Who are they, what do they want, or is it all just a distraction? I'm not holding my breath to find out, to be honest.

And that, as they say, is 15 minutes of my life that I'm not going to get back.

778 neighbour of some guy
13th October 2013, 14:44
Here's the link for the oath document, in case anyone wants to read it:

http://sincedutch.wordpress.com/2013/10/12/10122013-they-offered-me-the-world/

This whole thing is starting to smell mostly as a scam of some sort...I will believe it when he shows proof that one of his contacts indeed got an UN diplomatic immunity; This would prove that he's really dealing with a powerful organization...

Raf.

Raf,

So far, until proven authentic, its a copy of a piece of paper, that you could write, I could write, anyone could write, military order UCC 2012096074, that's interesting, just watched a video about it and got an Anonymous message, on the other hand, we have seen hundreds of these by now.

regards

Ed

Sure. I agree with you...We're used to these sort of scams and hoaxes, after all. The alternative media is full of them.

Anyway, here's the military order UCC 2012096074 document:

http://oppt-in.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/MilitaryOrder.pdf

Since I'm not North American, and I don't know anything about your law, could anyone explain what does this document mean (if it means anything at all)?

Raf.

I put on my wetsuit and surfed through that document, remember the 1 trillion dollar document filing of Wilcock and Drake, its proof A document got officially FILED, I doubt this gets anywhere, nice propositions in the document, very nice, wish it was true, but its a document, a million a month must get filed like that by anywho, but OK, nice gesture of good intend, i'll give it that much.

Nice document to pick apart and see what's left and if it flies, looks like someone is creating his own legacy and paper trail, this could be for all sort of purposes, for all I know its a prank and keep the "alternative" media busy for months, again, naturally curious intelligent people with good intention will get send for another ride, that my intuition.

If you are longer then a year on Avalon or just a silent PA lurker, we have seen a lot of this stuff and very little held up to scrutiny so far, perhaps this one is different but I wouldn't get my hopes up to high, extreme highs are usually followed by a SUDDEN drop in altitude. with its funny implications for ones mental and emotional well being.

A well, that's my point until I see a GOOD reason for changing it, again.

Ed

Etherios
13th October 2013, 14:44
Well isnt UN a PTB puppet? So how can this UN diplo thingie help at all?

Yes we need to overthrow the bankers and the hole system but ... oaths and large amount of cash? (sounds like payoffs)

Nanoo Nanoo
13th October 2013, 15:22
heres a take by fulford him self.

i dont want to sound negative but fulford seems to be a few trees short of a forrest.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_fulford99.htm

collecting and printing under oath with diplomatic immunity ... its a pipe dream , no ? who wouldnt love to run around with a south african accent and say out loud " I have diplomatic immunity " to the check out girl insisting you pay for your cheerios ...

lol

One thing is for certain , Fulford links this dragon clan to the japanese. which gives creedence to the video.

the question is this , are the japanese ticked off more than ever about the western factions trying to muscle them into submission ? dont forget fukoshima .. dont forget nagasaki .. the japanese have deep seeded distain for western factions.. it would be plausible for them to organise this sort of thing but the japanese are tricky .. im not sure if they would advertise it like this...

who knows whats really going on behind the scenes hey ? The dragons are walking .. thats for sure, no doubt in my mind.

hmmm


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Limor Wolf
13th October 2013, 16:04
This is an interesting item of information, but maybe not so 'wierd' or 'strange' at all, knowing what we know on how things work.

Infiltration with the Alternative media is already well over the pilot phase, those with sharp senses could notice this in the last year or two. offering a bribery disguised as a deal is routine for those who are used to direct the traffic to their own satisfaction and it is done over dozens of years, Wade Frazier can attest to that, the Free Energy millieu, for example, was bought left and right and this is the accaptable way to own the stray sheep who might have something under it's belt and also has an impact on an audience.

What IS surprising are the rumors on secret meetings that occur between members of the alternative media and other organizations or wealthy people with influence, where transparency is thrown into the trash and the thought that something decent can happen there is apparently deceptive to those who decideis to take the bite (out of curiosity), sometimes even attending a meeting and listening means openning a door to certain undesired 'influences' to enter as this is not about a casual deal between business partners, there are a lot of energies involved and black magic is present, there is an occult aspect involved in all the 'brotherhoods' and 'societies' and it's effect is real.


Media people can often be played with via certain features that can be exploited - The desire to get Scoops, ego, natural curiosity, personal ambitions and the desire to bring their message in order to gain a wider audience (rating).

When integrity is well intact in a person, then there is no concern, when someone is aware to their own flaws and the way it can be used, then he is less suggestible for these type ot attempts. people who work in groups are more prone to be receptive to such 'tempting' offers as in energetic peers pressure than those who work individually (i.e David Icke)

Secret societies and organisations and the use of the occult today rule our world and it can be disguised as a business opprtunity or as an offer of immunity, it can also be disguised as collegues who were 'taken care' of, very known and familiar faces.
Vigilance and a code of honor are needed at this time and only those who wear their integrity on their sleeves will get to cross the finish line and more importantly, will use their influence in the best possible way and as it was supposed to be.

Nanoo Nanoo
13th October 2013, 16:58
In my experience resistance groups dont have this sort of clout.

Diplomatic immunity with the UN ? this is a control tech. huge funding ? this is a control tech loure ...

N

Referee
13th October 2013, 17:31
In my experience resistance groups dont have this sort of clout.

Diplomatic immunity with the UN ? this is a control tech. huge funding ? this is a control tech loure ...

N

I have to agree

Lifebringer
13th October 2013, 17:39
I think Alex Jones possibly.

Remember when they infiltrated the Bohemian Grove? The Bilderbergs approached Ike and Jones. I wonder if they were offered and Jones took it. Doesn't sound like Ike did, he's still out there chugging. But Alex has been pushing fear porn to his viewers recent as two months now, and I just wonder.

Lifebringer
13th October 2013, 17:43
The cointelpro part I get. The bikers in NY had four or five undercover officer in the group unbeknownst to them, and one cop even participated in the attack to get the group on the Homeland Security Terrorist list.

Stranger things have been known to happen, and I'll be setting by myself with God on this one. I really can't trust anyone's mind when shtf, but my family and it's gonna be tough enough calming them down and keeping them safe. I just don't want to trust the goodness of neighbors while all the calamitous stuff is going on. Something about panicky neighbors and food stealing.

Lots of dangerous booby traps.

Nanoo Nanoo
13th October 2013, 17:45
I think Alex Jones possibly.

Remember when they infiltrated the Bohemian Grove? The Bilderbergs approached Ike and Jones. I wonder if they were offered and Jones took it. Doesn't sound like Ike did, he's still out there chugging. But Alex has been pushing fear porn to his viewers recent as two months now, and I just wonder.

i think alex was gotten to about 2 years ago.. thats when his energetic signature changed .. its hard to say but thats my feeling.

Lifebringer
13th October 2013, 18:11
Alright ya'll. I'm gonna run something by you, please don't think me daft, but it's been there for awhile now, at least since 2007 when Bush and Cheney were about to declare Martial Law, while troops were at war in 2 countries. The memo came from Rense and I got it a month after the date that it was to happen. July o7, 2007.

They may have it in the archive, but it's been hushed because when the good guys(General who was retiring) found out about it, they changed their retirement date, and sent the memo to vital people to halt it.

Here goes: Papa Doc Dope Bush is head of nwo in states. He's not immortal, and George or Jebb stand to take the reigns. Now it's 6 years later, Bush was thrown out with the worse polls, but what has happened to this plan? Now here's the part I'm running on that won't go away. UN and rest of the world have all the proof of Crimes against Humanity for the Hague. Warrants in Canada and France and Switzerland are out for them. This ssg army accumulated since Kissinger and Nixion and Kennedy era times over 40 eyars of waiting for the right time. They've cause weather anomalies and destruction to keep their ill gotten currency flowing when most of the world wants gold backed or precious metal backing. Still the only time they surfaced was after 911. Was it to test the effectiveness of the actual take over?
Still what happened to that plan, the players are still in place. Now if they have plans to default on all that they've stolen and won't turn it over after being busted, then I have to guess that the good guys know when they are gonna strike. I think the takeover as usual will happen during another disaster like in Louisiana during Katrina. I think that when Nibiru system comes over our orbit, and the shtf, they are gonna lie in wait for whatever is left over and then start it.

So like I said, I'll probably be single with my family because I want's no parts of those promoting the NAZI schtick. They don't like black folk, and I don't have wings, nor my family to fly the f out of US. I'd take my chances in the Himalaya's deep in a cave with my supplies. Or somewhere on the reservation.

avid
13th October 2013, 18:26
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_lucytrust04.htm
The Lucis Trust

The Lucis Trust is the Publishing House which prints and disseminates United Nations material. It is a devastating indictment of the New Age and Pagan nature of the UN.

Lucis Trust was established in 1922 as Lucifer Trust by Alice Bailey as the publishing company to disseminate the books of Bailey and Blavatsky and the Theosophical Society. The title page of Alice Bailey's book, 'Initiation, Human and Solar' was originally printed in 1922, and clearly shows the publishing house as 'Lucifer Publishing CoIn 1923.

All this smells.... a lot!!!

Nibiru or whatever is definitely affecting the universe, it's natural, and we should enjoy our planet despite panic-stations. Let those 1% disappear - that would be good, but at the moment we are winning in the media stakes - people will not be ridden over roughshod any more. Even if there are tough times ahead - enough of us know how to keep life going - with empathy. Just prepare for some 'down-time', build your neighbourhood, and rationalise/sympathise with anyone who has the misfortune to maladministrate. They are in the same boat as everyone - and inevitably would be ostracised. Don't forget - they are a tiny part of the 'big picture' and have probably no clue that they are wrong-doing - it's just a job for them - they needed the pay.
'Heads-up' something is not right - but it is not insurmountable. If you know of someone who could not get their groceries - please donate. Especially if they are military families. Thank you.

Lifebringer
13th October 2013, 18:26
Ticket to a dumb and the promise to be their "nwo dj?" for Alex?

Lifebringer
13th October 2013, 18:37
The UN like TuTu members are not about this nwo crap, they want the world to work, but for years the exceptional country has left a trail of bloodshed and death in other nations for various different corporate entities and bankers. So...I'm just standing on guard for it, I'll help who I can if they are hanging off a cliff or precipice, but I want to sleep peaceful as possible at night and others may not want to be peaceful at that time. Might interfere with my meditation. Gonna need lots of that with all that may or may not happen. Strive for peace of mind every chance you get. When your' awake in the physical world, there's always something going on to keep you from peace. Strive for it, pray for it, and LOVE.

avid
13th October 2013, 19:03
oops - Lifebringer, you posted loads in the last few minutes without enabling my reply. Undoubtedly there is a stench of corruption and deception in politics-gone-by. The Bushes will certainly rot in their bad karma forever - even in Patagonia they will NEVER be safe. What a vile existence for them - to live in perpetual fear!!! For all of their families - horrendous. All of their ill-gotten gains will NEVER protect them, in fact what on earth are these 'initiates' via secret societies thinking they will get away with? The internet has outed them. All of their co-conspirators are now PUBLIC. What goes around comes around eh? ;-)

outerheaven
13th October 2013, 19:22
I've spent some time reading and thinking about this today, and I'm not sure I'm anywhere closer to understanding.

I've reviewed the OPPT website, and what they're pushing seems different from the "deal" that Dutchsince is talking about. The OPPT seem more focused on abolishing our modern shackles by heightening our consciousness. They even state that the OPPT itself has dissolved, since it achieved its goal when it filed a claim with the UCC that the Unites States Corporation did not rebut. Read about that here for more detail (http://understandingtheoppt.info/whatisoppt.shtml). Note that I am not a lawyer and I can't stake any claims as to how valid any of this may actually be.

By not rebutting within the given timeframe, the US Corporation is therefore dissolved. OK, great. So the revolution has already taken place and it's up to us to enforce it, or rather, transcend the system. I can see and respect the logic here: force people to awaken by "legally" defeating the system at its own game. Once people can accept that, the PTB truly loses all their power.

But in digging around the OPPT site, I found some things that don't fit. In this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyg5DNUNYrM#t=647), they state that you now have the right to walk into any bank and, because of the aforementioned legal filings, deposit up to $10B cash in your bank account. Uh. What?

Ideologically, this looks like a communist revolution. Abolish private corporations and governments, return wealth to the people.

I'm of the opinion that no political system can work ideally without a spiritual revolution first -- which makes political systems unnecessary anyhow! So assuming the OPPT pulls off the revolution, and everyone who takes part in this gets $10B -- great. Well, what good is your $10B when everyone else also has $10B? When people are still enslaved by the idea of money, and cannot spiritually transcend this material obsession? Who will produce the goods for the materially-obsessed, now that everyone is a multi-billionaire? What a hilarious new way to crash the system. (Well, maybe not so new, after all ...)

Communism, fascism, flip sides of the same coin. Who could seriously fall for this? (Actually, probably a disturbingly large number of people, I'd bet!)

I'll be keeping an eye on this story but at the present moment I don't understand any of these developments. Perhaps it is merely some dumb COINTELPRO garbage to keep us distracted.

genevieve
13th October 2013, 19:30
To add to the conversation, read the following post on American Kabuki's blog re the offer and its (non)relevance to OPPT (now OP). It contains info from Fulford and Tucci-Jarraf.

http://americankabuki.blogspot.com/2013/10/my-conversation-with-benjamin-fulford.html


Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
Genevieve


P.S. I've been following OP since about the beginning and think it's legitimate.

Cjay
13th October 2013, 21:53
Clearly, someone is deliberately mixing lots of messages and coming up with slop.

I think Dutch has been used to spread disinfo and fear.

Etherios
14th October 2013, 02:47
i think i managed to connect the dots ... You have the Bankers that want to overthrow themselves using "new" powers so in the end they "saved" the world from the bad west people. They are using alternative media and the underground "societies" to make it legit and as they said they want to "persuade" the public that this is for the best.

So they will replace the current system (economic and power) with a new one that will be created on the ashes of the old (does that ring a bell?)

We know they are moving the manufacturing and the economic power to the east .. so an east society is really handy. UN gets upgraded as the sole protector savior and the new economic system that they want to enforce will have a clean fresh start...

So all the puzzles for the new World government will be in place - new government system around UN, New economic system that is created from the ashes of the current one and all of this will happen with the help of / for the people using alternative media.
A new world status quo based on the defeat of the "bad" old one ... so everyone will be so happy we are free Or so they want us to believe...

Flash
14th October 2013, 03:41
White DRAGONS, red DRAGONS, black DRAGONS, DRACOS

Is anybody seeing that we are talking about FAMILIES here. That we are under the Dracos reptilian or the White Dragons reptilians, because they are, no doubt about it, what difference does it make, we are still put into energies slavery. Where is the freedom in this? Where is the development of the human soul?

2 reptilians factions fighting for the lordship of the earth, let them fight together as much as they want and let us have no part into it.

I just wish we were left alone, I just wish we were brighter and more aware, us humans

intruth
14th October 2013, 14:36
Un = cabal

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Oops, I meant

UN = CABAL

Maia Gabrial
14th October 2013, 14:42
OMG! Have you heard Dutchsince's latest video? He has discovered that something strange is seriously about to happen. He was offered a huge amount of money, as well as diplomatic immunity for what they would ask him to do for them. Hear it in his own words:

Oh4hnJ_h7_o

I'm glad to say that Dutch has too much honor and integrity to be part of this. As tempting as all this will be....don't fall for it.

outerheaven
14th October 2013, 14:53
Hi Maia,

This is also being discussed in the Current Events forum. It's up to 3 pages already so there's some interesting opinions, check it out!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64359-Dutchsinse-and-others-approached-by-the-White-Dragon-Society

gripreaper
15th October 2013, 04:58
Well, the Chair of St Peter has been given over, and the trustee of all the people now holds the trust, all debt have been forgiven, the OPPT and the White Dragon Society now want to show immunity... :)

Where have we heard this before? ... while Jim McBride is in jail? Tim Turner is serving sentence in Federal Prison, or is he drinking Mai Tai's on a beach somewhere with Hitler and Elvis?

Sovereignty, true sovereignty is not something which can be given to you in trust, by any organization. It is an empowerment one engages within when one decides NOT to operate within the corrupt system of commerce with the corrupt fiat notes and the corrupt corporatocracy.

Try it. Wake up tomorrow and DON'T buy or use anything produced by this system of corruption. See how well you do.

Artworks
15th October 2013, 07:25
Lisa M. Harrison became or is involved with oppt. I stopped looking at her
website, is it the same thing I wonder,again Zen Gardner wrote a piece about them ages ago, pointing out some symbolism.

Muzz
15th October 2013, 09:22
Lisa M. Harrison became or is involved with oppt. I stopped looking at her
website, is it the same thing I wonder,again Zen Gardner wrote a piece about them ages ago, pointing out some symbolism.

Thanks, this is worth a look. http://www.zengardner.com/oppt-illuminati-occult-ties-revealed -- OPPT Illuminati & Occult Ties Revealed

mountain_jim
15th October 2013, 12:46
My Norton Antivirus just blocked an 'intrusion attempt', a 'suspicious executable download' when I visited the above link - download from attacking computer hc0t1.diwalipearl.biz

later edit : I did view source and not find this source, and it did not occur when I re-visited link. My norton history made clear it was a web-attack, not an email, but since I can't repeat it perhaps it was from and ad served on some other page in my browser tabs.

Muzz
15th October 2013, 13:11
My Norton Antivirus just blocked an 'intrusion attempt', a 'supicious executable download' when I visited the above link - download from attacking computer hc0t1.diwalipearl.biz
Looking into it right now.

Referee
15th October 2013, 15:23
A conversation with Ben Fulford about the OPPT and Dutchsinse...
Kevin


By American Kabuki
Sunday October 13, 2013

In the interest of complete transparency regarding the ever increasing attempt to conflate the OPPT (which is a reconciled trust in any case - HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO REPEAT THAT?) with the actions of Swissindo.

I am publishing this conversation with Ben Fulford regarding the recent Dutchsinse video claiming the OPPT asked him to sign an oath in exchange for huge sums of money. The OPPT simply isn't doing that. Whomever is doing that, is not the OPPT. It could very well be Swissindo (that has yet to be confirmed) and those in the alternative media they recruited secretly as an advisory council (under nondisclosure agreements) from the volunteers who had been working for the OPPT in the first part of the year. This has been unfolding for a number of months, at least since April.


Read more (http://americankabuki.blogspot.com/)

mountain_jim
15th October 2013, 15:40
The story is not on the front page link now - this link gets it

http://americankabuki.blogspot.com/2013/10/my-conversation-with-benjamin-fulford.html

Arc
16th October 2013, 16:59
I am a bit surprised how out of the loop Avalon has been on OPPT. Maybe others have been following it, but are just less vocal here. I realize that might be me also, so I decided to point folks to some of the info that I am aware of.

I encourage everyone to go back take a closer look at it, for all the discussions and material that was available for the past 10 months before this dutchsinse video. It was brought out in discussion in about January 2013. There is a lot of good material and many discussions were posted on the net answering a lot of questions that many folks here seem to be just beginning to mull over, so please go catch up.

OPPT is not an organization, or a faction, or any other hierarchical structure. OPPT was a tool, or a process.

Anyone claiming it has leaders, or that they represent OPPT as some type of faction has no true understanding of it, or thinks that you don't either, and so might take an opportunity to spread dis-info about it, or muddy the waters to make it look like more of the old system.

In a nutshell, there were 3 attorneys who were experts in UCC law (that Jordan Maxwell often talks about, as well as sovereign citizen enthusiasts) that worked at the forefront of the banking system. They were very experienced in the technical workings of UCC and had much court experience with cases, judges, etc. Heather Tucci-Jarraf, one of these attorneys began to "wake up" to a lot of corruption with mortgages and the paper trails I believe around 2008. She did more research and uncovered rampant corruption. She realized the entire global financial system was corrupt and was basically a debt slavery system operating from the highest levels, with all the mid and lower levels, including the population at larger, were under the illusion that it was legitimate.

I know for Avalon folks that is not news, but this was someone who went through the discovery process from inside the system as an expert attorney in UCC technology and experience. And, Heather and the other two attorneys wanted to actually do something about instead of look the other way. She researched the processes and used her own home as a litmus test of how the system works and how to beat it. She let her home intentionally go to foreclosure in order to have the court battle with the judges, banks, and other attorneys to find the weak points and develop a strategy. She realized that battling the banks and courts with UCC was very difficult and peeled back many layers. She realized that the key to beating the corrupt global financial system of the cabal was to use their own UCC system against them, and to invoke the Creator as the highest authority.

The idea was to force the system to either rebutt their UCC filings, (which were unrebuttable, based on the systems own corruption, it could not prove that any loans or mortgages are legitmate), or not rebutt the UCC filings. Not rebutting to the charges in UCC means that they now stand as law. You can go and find these filed documents yourselves. The 3 attorneys formed a Trust in the name of everyone on the planet with the authority of the Creator itself, where the attorneys were only Trustees or glorified secretaries in a way. That is OPPT, which foreclosed on all the global corrupt organizations, IMF, UN, Vatican, all the corporations masquerading as governments such as US, UK, etc... all of them, have been foreclosed on and technically are no longer legitimate, as a matter of law - the very law they used to enslave us, has been used to shut them down.

OPPT was used for this process to free humanity from the global debt slavery system. OPPT was a temporary tool to legally declare us all free because we are the value - We are the Value - not any imaginary money system or debt. It is we who work, produce, and provide services, create infrastructure. OPPT was a first step to not only free humanity from debt slavery, but as a stepping stone on a way to a world where we no longer need money. People will exchange their value. Currently money is a representation of this, but the old system was non transparent and parasitic. The new value system should seek to be fully transparent and based on the people's value without banks to skim off interest and suck the life out of society.

At any rate, I just wanted to make an attempt to summarize for PA folks what has been a complex story and series of events. In no way can I do it justice, or connect all the dots for you in a quick post here, but I hope you can take a deeper look at the information to find out what it really is, and why some dis-info agents might seek to discredit it in that alternative community. There is much more technical info, documentation, discussions since Jan 2013, etc that you would need to fill in the gaps and understand the story of OPPT and where we are right now, which is beyond it.

Here is some helpful information to catch up. There are plenty more resources, as well as developments since, but I just wanted to highlight a few.

http://understandingtheoppt.info/whatisoppt.shtml

http://www.scribd.com/doc/140661772/OPPT-Official-Announcement

http://i-uv.com/oppt-absolute/original-oppt-ucc-filings/

http://i-uv.com/oppt-absolute/
http://i-uv.com/oppt-absolute/oppt-tools/oppt-faq/

Paradigm Report:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/118067922/PARADIGM-DOCUMENT-FROM-THE-TREASURY-FINANCE-AG-INDUSTRIESTRASSE-21-CH-6055ALPNACH-DORF-SWITZERLAND

Summary by Bob Wright:
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First discussions on it:
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Interview with Heather:
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Discussions with Santos Bonacci and Lisa Harrison:
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Cognitive Dissident
17th October 2013, 14:22
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that OPPT doesn't make any sense at all. Certainly it's not going to have any legal impact, cancel any debts, or whatever.

They start talking about the UCC as if it is some sort of secret system that only the insiders know about. But it's just not. It's an effort to harmonize the law of sales and other commercial transactions in all 50 states within the United States of America: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Commercial_Code

There's no magic there at all. It doesn't even apply outside the US.

As for OPPT, there are lots of complicated words that seem to make sense, but really, it doesn't actually connect with the real, everyday, world at all. Fine; there are plenty of mystical systems which may be closer to absolute reality than the conventional reality most people live in. But let's not pretend that OPPT is anything more than a fiction or a metaphor. Just one example, one of the links says "In 2012, the Trustees lodged a complex series of filings with the UCC on behalf of its Beneficiary, the One People." But the UCC is a set of laws - a set of books. You can't lodge any filings with the UCC, unless you are talking about putting extra pages in a book (!). None of it actually stands up.

Happy to be proven wrong, but let's try and be specific about what this thing is.

Referee
17th October 2013, 15:00
@ ARC

I think a few of us here are miffed at what occurred with the Drake debacle a while back and for that reason many people here on PA are quietly watching

Fulford has done himself no favors with his recent news letters and videos.

I haven't heard much from Neil Keenan as of late.

Thanks for posting all the OPPT vids.

Cjay
18th October 2013, 07:05
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that OPPT doesn't make any sense at all. Certainly it's not going to have any legal impact, cancel any debts, or whatever.

They start talking about the UCC as if it is some sort of secret system that only the insiders know about. But it's just not. It's an effort to harmonize the law of sales and other commercial transactions in all 50 states within the United States of America: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Commercial_Code

There's no magic there at all. It doesn't even apply outside the US.



UCC does apply outside USA.

Is UCC being used in Australia? Absolutely, yes, although it is not called UCC. Most Australian lawyers have never heard of UCC and even the few who have will argue that UCC does not apply in Australia. Their assertion is incorrect. To use a car analogy, in USA they had the Volkswagen Rabbit which was renamed the Volkswagen Golf for the Australian market. Our local version of the UCC is just the beginning, a taste, if you like, or the UCC’s foot in Australia’s door.

Detailed article about UCC in Australia: http://sites.thomsonreuters.com.au/journals/files/2010/09/JBFLP-21.1_Drinkwater.pdf
Australian Government Personal Property Securities Register: http://www.ppsr.gov.au/AbouttheRegister/Pages/default.aspx
Personal Property Securities Act 2009: http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/C2013C00268

Similar laws/systems are in place in NZ and other countries - I suspect all or most other countries that are registered as corporations on the US Securities and Exchange Commission.


You can't lodge any filings with the UCC, unless you are talking about putting extra pages in a book (!). None of it actually stands up.

Happy to be proven wrong, but let's try and be specific about what this thing is.

Every state in the US has a public document repository where anyone can file documents. The banksters file liens in UCC all the time.

Below are several examples of public document repositories. You can find many others if you put your minds to it.
http://www.azsos.gov/business_services/ucc/
http://www.sos.ca.gov/business/ucc/
https://www.sos.state.co.us/ucc/
http://www.floridaucc.com/UCCWEB/
http://www.sec.state.ma.us/cor/corpweb/corucc/uccmain.htm
http://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,1607,7-127-1631_8851---,00.html
http://www.sos.state.mn.us/index.aspx?page=89
http://www.secretary.state.nc.us/ucc/
http://www.dos.ny.gov/corps/uccfaq.html
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/ucconline/f?p=131:1:
https://fortress.wa.gov/dol/ucc/
http://publicrecords.onlinesearches.com/Wisconsin-UCC-Filings.htm
http://www.sos.wv.gov/business-licensing/uniformcommercialcode/Pages/WhatisUCC.aspx

Cognitive Dissident
18th October 2013, 14:44
OK, Cjay, I have spent some time looking at these links. I can see that there is some sort of system for registering security, so if A grants B security for a loan, then B can register it publically. I don't think it applies to security over property, at least in Australia. But anyway. My point is that this is no big deal. UCC doesn't create any debt, make us all slaves, or anything. Most of us go through our whole lives without being affected in the slightest by UCC in the US or its equivalent systems in Australia and elsewhere.

The problem I have with OPPT is that first of all it tries to make a big deal out of UCC when there is no big deal - but the big problem is the huge jump it makes to these huge statements about setting up a trust for all of humanity, and similar. Like the statement you made in passing "I suspect all or most other countries that are registered as corporations on the US Securities and Exchange Commission" - unless I am missing something, no countries are registered as corporations, on the SEC or anywhere else. Actually the SEC is only for public companies, the company would have to be registered as a company somewhere else first, and then register with the SEC, but that is a small point.

I know the OPPT websites are full of information about the US as a corporation, or other countries as a corporation, but I don't see it. If they were, they would have to be registered in a country, and then it would be public knowledge, they would have to file annual accounts every year, have directors, shareholders, all that. Unless they are some super duper sort of secret corporation which nobody knows about? Which just reminds me of the whole "NESARA was passed in secret" thing which I don't think anyone believes any more.

I'm not being negative, OPPT seems to have laudable aims. It just doesn't make any sense. Happy to be enlightened if I am missing something.

gripreaper
21st October 2013, 04:44
The UCC is the "Uniform Commercial Code" which defines what a negotiable instrument is, who has rights as the holder, what a security is, etc. It was designed to make commerce and the transactions of commerce uniform.

Many sovereigns in the last few decades have tried to use the UCC to lay claim to their corporate entity (strawman) by filing a UCC 1 and therefore, lay claim to the security which was created at the time they signed the note for their mortgages, and also all other debt. So far that has not worked out too well as far as I can tell. Those who try to stand completely outside the system of commerce find that they cannot function.

Yet, I think we can all agree that there is only credits and debits which are debt instruments moving though commerce maturing for their eventual return to the Fed, and one can only create or discharge a credit or a debit in a dual entry accounting system and determine which side of the ledger one is obligated or not. That is really the only issue.

Everything on this planet is entrusted to all of us, and those who wish to lay claim to stuff as owners are making a fallacious claim to tangibles which cannot be owned. Nothing "can" be owned, only your own sentience of your soul.

So, using the UCC to claim creditor status may move you to the other side of the ledger if you can prove you are the holder in due course, but the instruments are the same and are still fiat, still created by the Fed, still tracked by CUSIP through their movement through commerce to their eventual maturity and return to the Fed, and we still own nothing.

So, the OPPT claim that we are the creditors, that we are the beneficiaries of the trust, and that we are entitled to the benefit derived from the trust, is all true, but it is not something which we develop or lay claim to through the corrupt system of commerce which is currently in place.

We lay claim to our status by our actions, how we husband and respect the trust which is this earth, by how we choose to not rape and pillage the earth, by how we remove ourselves as much as possible from the corrupt cannibalizing system of commerce codified in the UCC.

It's not magic or rocket science. Its common sense.

Cognitive Dissident
21st October 2013, 12:28
Thanks gripreaper, I appeciate where you are coming from, but here's the thing. When you say "Everything on this planet is entrusted to all of us, and those who wish to lay claim to stuff as owners are making a fallacious claim to tangibles which cannot be owned. Nothing "can" be owned, only your own sentience of your soul.", I agree with you totally. Where the problems comes for me is going from "Everything on this planet is entrusted to all of us" to something like, there is a legal trust set up by OPPT which actually reflects this.

The "planet entrustment" is far bigger than any legal trust or any document, it has to do with the planet itself being conscious, with our multidimensional origins and our incarnation on this planet.

It doesn't make any sense to reduce this to a legal trust. It also doesn't make any sense for OPPT to maintain that the "trust" they have established - which IMHO is only a metaphor for a greater truth - actually fits with, or interfaces in any sense with, the conventional legal system and the law of trusts, etc. It doesn't. I still don't understand why OPPT is saying that this metaphor has any legal impact or can be registered.

Why are they so bothered about making this metaphor relevant to a limited and corrupt system? By the way, I don't think that UCC itself is the main problem in the financial/legal system, since most people go through their whole lives without being affected by it - far larger problems are, for example, debt-as-money, fractional reserve banking, oppressive taxation, fiat currency issuance, rule by the 1% for the 1%, etc.

Another tangential point - "Many sovereigns in the last few decades have tried to use the UCC to lay claim to their corporate entity (strawman) by filing a UCC" - I have not seen a single example of such a sovereign corporate entity filed with the UCC or otherwise and would be interested to do so. Since the UCC relates to contracts and security and is not a corporate registry, it would be the wrong place to try and register a corporate entity in any case.