"DNA Nano-Technology" triggering

[Bob]

This thread could turn into a must read. I had heard of nano-particles but didn't think much of it.

We think that chemtrails are a cause of sickness, but the thing is, when you see it, the particles are already bigger than the insidious nano-size windows.. It appears that, the "invisible" exhaust trails contain sub-micron or "nano-particles, <50 nanometers in size" - and science is saying that those small sized particles are highly dangerous and it appears for the large part science IS not giving proper coverage on the dangerous sizes, those who know just aren't talking..

The following articles in some of the posts will try to point out some of these factors. This presentation is only a very small tip of an iceberg on a topic that is so massive, so insidious, our whole planet is potentially at risk. Not all of the scientists even know the scope of this massive infiltration of the environment. We all need the accurate information to determine what to do about these nano-particles. It is frustrating but I will try to get more information and publish it in this thread as I come across it.

Here is some of what we do know:

Nano-Particles are IN the AIR, come from Fires, Exhaust gases (cars, buses, trucks, trains, planes, boats) from internal combustion engines. They come from coal and gas fired furnaces burning those fuels. They come from gas flaring from oil/gas wells burning off "associated gas".

Nano-Particles are IN the Foods, condiments, candies, snacks. Some are added in deliberately, but some could come from aerosol form from contamination. Many times we are not told that nano-particles have been added.

Nano-Particles are being used in some drugs, cosmetics, sunscreen. Many times we are not told that nano-particles are there..

Nano-Particles can act like carriers to transport drugs or substances into the cells, and possibly can transfer unwanted substances into the cells.

Experimental nano-particles are in new drugs, new genetic engines potentially capable of going after DNA patterns, or going after bacteria or going after viruses.. Anything could easily go wrong because the size of the particles are so small, and nobody would easily recognize such because the detection instrumentation is not adequate, nor are the safeguards adequate at this time, and any of the above genetic nano-systems could be weaponized and deployed probably without detection.

Homeland security knows nano-particles could be one of worst most insidious weapons this planet has ever seen.

MOST of this is ignored, made nothing of, or touted, "don't worry about it, its the best thing since sliced bread.."

Nano-particles accumulate in the cells, in the Mitochondria, the parts of the cell responsible for energy production and other things.

Nano-particles in the critical sized windows can cause oxidation chemical reactions, similar to breaking apart structures - both good and bad.

The Chemistry of nano-particles is poorly understood - science has recognized that a nano-sized particle of a molecule is very very different than a gross visible particle of a substance.


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After reading up on this, looking at the scientific articles and connecting some of the "nano-dots" (figuratively speaking), I woke up and I am worried. I am concerned that people don't know and don't understand the issues, the damage, the potential to destroy all life on this planet by doing some stupid things, in error or by deliberate act..

People need to be educated, trained, proper equipment available for monitoring, and methods need to be created to eliminate accumulation of nano-particle from cells.

Please read on.. please do try to follow the links, and the PDF's. That is to prevent overwhelming this thread with data that can be read elsewhere.

Please try to think about solutions - do we need more education, stopping nano-research, methods to eliminate nano-substances (the FDA could possibly call these things "adulterants"), what?

Thanks






http://www.nature.com/nnano/journal/v6/n12/images/nnano.2011.187-f5.jpg


Do a google on https://www.google.com/search?q=%22DNA+nanotechnology%22+triggering&oq=%22DNA+nanotechnology%22+triggering

"DNA NanoTechnology" triggering , those key words.

My browser shows almost 92,800 hits going back into the mid 2005-2013 time span.

Articles say, DNA can be used as a starting point NANO-MATERIAL and TRIGGERED into action (like turned on or turned off), by an externally applied field.

Ultra-violet light of a specific wavelength can be used and intercepted by the DNA-BOW-TIE antenna molecules assembled into the nano-chain. This is talking about the external energy "pickup" that can be created on a specific type of DNA molecule assembled artificially in the lab.

One of the hypes of this type of "machine" innovation is that specific "nano-vaccines" can be made to turn on "immune system function".

FYI - There was another thread in the Conspiracy Research forum that basically debunked a guy calling himself "Bill Weld". Apparently the debunked Mr. Weld proved to be as determined by some forum members to be non-existent as to his used "Titles", and other assorted issues.

In that forum thread, Weld complains about some sort of DNA-KILL-SWITCH existing (among other things)..

To simply point out, IN the light of a Google Search on "DNA NanoTechnology" triggering, the articles are saying that indeed DNA can be assembled in a nano-form, and indeed it can be triggered to activate with an external input..

AS that seems to be the case, DNA can be assembled, and selectively triggered to make a unique molecule, can the anomaly of "Bill Weld" just simply be used to point the group to actually taking the time to look at his alarm bell as defined in the: "DNA NanoTechnology" triggering links? Surely there are articles in there that say who has this stuff, who is working along certain trends?

Ponder this: IF DNA can be assembled in let's say to duplicate one of the cellular apoptosis genes, GOOGLE: APOPTOSIS GENE that gene is responsible for triggering CELL DEATH.

If the KEY element to activate the synthetic nano-DNA created molecule for one of those genes, is not fully assembled, or "left-out" UNTIL a specific ultra-violet light wavelength is inputted into the system, and then the Apoptosis gene molecule is therefore activated, what do YOU think is going to happen?

The science is there, and has been since mid 2005 - what has been assembled by whom, controlled by whom and for what purpose? Has it been deployed?

Just to point out, I read this PDF today... IN a very recent PhD Paper by a University author,

http://lib.tkk.fi/Diss/2013/isbn9789526053219/isbn9789526053219.pdf

the author cites he personally conducted DNA NanoTechnology triggering experiments, successfully built DNA nano-molecules and triggered or inhibited the rest of the chain's formation. He cited half a dozen different methods that can be used. He used one specific wavelength of UV light to cause his DNA-BOW-TIE antenna to receive the external energy from the UV-LIGHT and then continue to function.

[johnf]

I read a book by Kurzweil, where he predicts we will have the technology to
get nanobots injected, that migrate to the synapses, lie dormant until
they are activated by a signal coming from a website (I suppose you get something in your computer that has this transmitter).
Once activated your senses are totally bypassed by these nanobots and you are in a virtual environment
coming from code in the website.

He thinks this will come about around 2030, I got the book in 2004.

One way to get people all excited about this new development.
Yikes!

jf

[Bob]

Thanks for the book reference - Apparently John the technology already exists and to get a "properly designed" nano-particle into the skin is simply to "touch it, or inhale it, or ingest it". So I guess the tech is already here.

There are still some proponents of nano-particle developments saying, at the top of their lungs that nano-particles won't penetrate the membranes.. Many are saying that such particles do penetrate. Some specifically are saying in the presence of an external driving factor such as "sunlight" (tanning beds would fall into that category I think), the particles do indeed penetrate.

(ed. Apparently the size of the particle and if it has a metallic component are keys for penetration)

Ref: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Future-Gene-Suppression-Agents-Will-Pass-Through-the-Skin-281511.shtml July 16th, 2012, 14:29 GMT, looks like Kurzweil was a tad late in his prediction - the "science" has made a lot of leaps and jumps since 2005

ref: http://www.technologyreview.com/view/428509/nanoparticles-deliver-gene-therapy-through-the/

ref: http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/07/03/1118425109.abstract - the abstract from the University paper showing the stuff does pass thru the skin

In Geek-Speak: "We now show that spherical nucleic acid nanoparticle conjugates (SNA-NCs), gold cores surrounded by a dense shell of highly oriented, covalently immobilized siRNA, freely penetrate almost 100% of keratinocytes in vitro, mouse skin, and human epidermis within hours after application. Significantly, these structures can be delivered in a commercial moisturizer or phosphate-buffered saline, and do not require barrier disruption or transfection agents, such as liposomes, peptides, or viruses. "

Translated, you can find a hand creme or nasal spray giving you nano-engineered molecules some even claiming to have DNA.

If the DNA contains the specific trigger "bow-tie" antennae, who knows what could happen - could it be used with a trigger-able remote carrier to do "extra" things? The science says it exists.



http://www.i-sis.org.uk/graphics/nanotoxicityInRegulatoryVacuum.jpg


In the posts below I go over some articles showing how this is done, and in one of the posts further down, there is a search engine allowing one to FIND published nano-material items.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64534-DNA-Nano-Technology-triggering&p=746173&viewfull=1#post746173

Please pay attention to items which use GOLD nano-particles and Silver nano-particles as they are the structures used to convey both the switching ability and the penetration ability into the epidermis (skin).

[johnf]

He seems to be a spokesman for the whole transhuman "movement"
Perhaps we were supposed to feel better about it as it snuck up on us.

jf

[Bob]

I think it would be great to see if DNA Nano-Technology" triggering, the thread subject actually can be researched and see specifically as I asked,

"What has been assembled, and by Whom, Controlled by whom and for what Purpose?
Has it been deployed?"

Seems to me that is a simple black and white - the big questions to be asked.


http://www.sciencebuzz.org/sites/default/files/images/NanoHoff.jpg

[Bob]

The use of Nano-Particles in COSMETICS - the questions asked center around, "when is a cosmetic really to be considered as a DRUG?"

WHO is using Nano-Particles, and what types of nano-molecules, the chemistry, is being used?

Will the nano-particles interact with the cellular DNA, capable of turning Genes on and off?

If it can turn ON a gene, it could turn it off too.. ie HOX genes. Ever hear of Retinoic Acid? Sure, touted in skin therapy to help the skin heal, a retinoic acid nanoparticle in a cosmetic could lead to the HOX genes actually being tweaked.

Geek-Speak: "In higher animals including humans, Retinoic acid regulates differential expression of Hox genes along the anteroposterior axis.[21] Genes in the 3' ends of Hox clusters are induced by retinoic acid resulting in expression domains that extend more anteriorly in the body compared to 5' Hox genes that are not induced by retinoic acid resulting in expression domains that remain more posterior."


translated: Hox Genes being interfered with during embryonic development can lead to deformities of the fetus' brain and spinal cord. They also govern construction of the head and abdomen. Hox genes are master control genes.

One really does NOT want to risk messing around with ANYTHING that can change the HOX genes' turning ON or OFF.

I suppose one could ask, has one ever used one of the NANO-HAND CREMES listed in the http://www.jltp.uiuc.edu/archives/Abramowitz.pdf article? The FDA in that article only says there is just VOLUNTARY compliance in letting folks know if they have used NANO-PARTICLES in their "cosmetic" products.

It begs one to sadly ask, has any mother had a deformed baby after using one of those "cosmetics"? The articles show possible precedent I believe, but I would assume a lawyer skilled in FDA laws, bad-drug laws would have to weigh in.

(more later)

[Bob]

Even the National Institute of Health, NanoScience and NanoTechnology trade journals say Nano-Particles pose a significant risk. Take a look at this simple ABSTRACT:


J Nanosci Nanotechnol. 2010 Dec;10(12):8482-90.
Pharmacokinetics and physiologically-based pharmacokinetic modeling of nanoparticles.
Yang RS, Chang LW, Yang CS, Lin P.
Source
Quantitative and Computational Toxicology Group, Department of Environmental and Radiological Health Sciences, Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523, USA.

Abstract
The worldwide commerce involving nanoparticles will soon reach $1 trillion and already we have more than 600 commercial products containing nanoparticles.

Because nanoparticles are invisible and little is known about their toxicities, there has been concern about health effects in humans.


http://www.rsc.org/ej/CC/2006/b514130c/b514130c-f1.gif


As toxicology is a continuum of pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics, this is a review of recent advances on pharmacokinetics and physiologically-based pharmacokinetic (PBPK) modeling involving nanoparticles. (what that means is they don't KNOW how the particles actually move inside of cells and exactly where they interact - they are hoping to have computer modeling that could predict where the particles go and where they will interact)

We provide a synopsis of the state-of-the-science on the absorption, distribution, metabolism, and excretion (ADME) of nanoparticles in mammals, as well as some of the unique applications of pharmacokinetics to nanotechnology.

Earlier, the main emphasis of pharmacokinetics of nanoparticles centered around the "control release" of drugs. (a drug can be attached to a nano-particle "engine" and then moved into a cell, sometimes those engines are called "nano-bots", or nanorobots)


http://www.utdallas.edu/~jiezheng/images/SPECT.jpg

Thus, drugs encapsulated by lipidic (fat particle) nanoparticles or bound to nano-particles form a controlled-release mechanism. (fat type of molecules are used as transport agents)

The end results included, among others, enhancement of therapeutic duration and reversion of multidrug resistance. (drugs could still be forced into the cell with nano-particles)

As the science advances in this area, the resulting achievements included:

(1) utilizing nanoparticles as delivery vehicle for drugs, drug combinations, or genetic materials; (genetic manipulation in other words by nano-particles containing dna, or rna or chemicals which modify dna or rna)

(2) capitalizing on physico-chemical properties and tissue affinity of nanoparticles for medical imaging; (it is said here that tissues readily SOAK UP nanoparticles, "affinity")

(3) potentiating drug effects on immunotoxin and anticancer drugs; and (very toxic substances can be coupled to nano-particles and made very STRONG)

(4) creating "stealth" capability from body's defense system. (in other words, the normal protective mechanism of the body, the immune system, can be bypassed, meaning there can be NO DEFENCE against a specifically created nano-particle)

More recently, the application of biologically-based computer modeling to nanoparticles made it possible not only for inter-species, inter-routes, and inter-dose extrapolations but also for the integration of the modern tumor biology and computational technology for the possible improvement of cancer chemotherapy.

(the above I am going to have to ask the reader for their indulgence.. Why EXACTLY would we want to have inter-species molecules put in a human body? What is the purpose of for instance having a mouse gene installed and bypassing the human immune system in a human's cell? What exactly DID i read above?)

(They add that being able to get inside of a tumor and inject a therapy just to "tumors" is extremely promising.. obviously)

Although pharmacokinetics and PBPK modeling of nanoparticles are still in their infancy, impressive innovations have already been demonstrated in their applications to medical sciences.
(according to the National Institute of Health)

Nanotoxicology is one of the most promising and fertile areas of science given the importance of nanoparticles to the economy of the 21st century, their possible environmental fates, as well as the potential health concerns of these particles.

One can see, it IS a money making opportunity driven research apparently..

[Bob]

Dynamic DNA nanotechnology focuses on complexes with useful non-equilibrium behavior such as the ability to reconfigure based on a chemical or physical stimulus. (A physical stimulus could be pressure, or photonic particle. A wavelength of light could be another way of defining the characteristics of the input stimulus. Effective particle Energy = planck's constant times 1/wavelength)

In other words, the DNA Switch, is able to stay in an "off" state, until triggered, then it completes it's intended function.


http://www.nanowerk.com/spotlight/id26140.jpg

"DNA nano-technology" provides one of the few ways to form designed, complex structures with precise control over nano-scale features.

reference:
"Dynamic DNA nanotechnology": Zhang, David Y.; Seelig, Georg (February 2011). "Dynamic DNA nanotechnology using strand-displacement reactions". Nature Chemistry 3 (2): pp 103–113. doi:10.1038/nano-chem.957. PMID 21258382

also:

http://molecular-plasmonics.de/molplasmon13/abstract.html


http://chanlo.com/images/dna-bowtie.jpg
Example of a Molecular nano-bow-tie antenna, designed to allow for remote triggering by an external stimulus

[Bob]

Birth Defects - Please re-read the two PDF's in this thread link, and then take a look at this:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64534-DNA-Nano-Technology-triggering&p=745761&viewfull=1#post745761

"Novartis used the investigational product listed as Aliskiren vs. Enalapril last year and it resulted in death of 47 of which only one has been attributed to clinical trial of the new drug.


http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S093964111200135X-fx1.jpg

Only another clinical trial of new drug on humans, Sun Pharma's Paclitaxel injection concentrate for nano-dispersion, registered a double-digit death figure (12) during the last seven years. Majority of the pharmaceutical companies, whose drugs were permitted for clinical trial on human beings, were of foreign origin."

"NEW DELHI: As many as 2,644 people, called subjects, died during the clinical trials of 475 new drugs on human beings in last seven years and only 17 of the medicines were approved for marketing in India, the Centre has informed the Supreme Court.

Responding to allegations by NGO, Swasthya Adhikar Manch, in its PIL that Indians were used as guinea pigs by foreign pharmaceutical majors for human trial of their new drugs, the Union health and family welfare ministry said of the 57,303 enrolled subjects, 39,022 completed the clinical trials."

and

look at this..

https://harmoniaphilosophica.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/india-drug-trial-scheme.jpg

In light of such testing happening in India, using these products, on mom's, and seeing their babies ending up deformed, how can it be right that big pharma can get away with this? Especially with the dangers of nano-products and the unknowns..

ref http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-04-25/india/38816045_1_rivaroxaban-new-drugs-clinical-trial

[Bob]

These DNA cages can be made to release drugs in the presence of a specific nucleic acid sequence.

"Many diseased cells, such as cancer cells, overexpress certain genes," Edwardson adds. "In a future application, one can imagine a DNA cube that carries drug cargo to the diseased cell environment, which will trigger the release of the drug."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/09/130901153347.htm

Lots of "positive" science in that article from Science Daily..

Let's just for one nano-second play devils advocate, and ask this question: "What if the DNA sequence that is being targeted is the gene pattern for Arab, or Jewish, or German, or Nordic" and the DNA caged "drug" opens up when exposed to such a dna sequence when in the cell."

What is going to happen if the "drug" is something that causes cancer, or mutation, or cell death, or pick a disease, maybe a "Prion" (google PRION, heck let's just look at http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/prions/ where the centers for disease control talk about "prions"). A "prion" is small enough to be easily packaged inside of a "DNA-Cage". What happens is the "information packet" inside the DNA cage gets injected into the cells of the body. And it releases its packet. Whence in there, the contents does the deed.

And tell me that such engineering potentials which can be conducted by COLLEGE STUDENTS in a bio-lab are safe, and nothing will go wrong?

From the Science Daily article mentioned above:

"Thomas Edwardson, a McGill doctoral student and co-author of the new paper, says "DNA structures can be built with great precision, they are biodegradable and their size, shape and properties can be easily tuned." OMG

I cannot emphasize strongly enough this nano-dna technology is a double edged sword..


http://images.sciencedaily.com/2013/09/130901153347-large.jpg
A DNA cage (at left), with lipid-like molecules (in blue). The lipids come together in a ‘handshake’ within the cage (center image) to encapsulate small-molecule drugs (purple). The molecules are released (at right) in response to the presence of a specific nucleic acid. (Credit: Thomas Edwardson, McGill University)

[penn]

I am not liking this nano tech one bit! Is there a way to cleanse ones self of this foreign nano sh..?

[Bob]

I am not liking this nano tech one bit! Is there a way to cleanse ones self of this foreign nano sh..?

Hi Penn - this stuff is the epitome of insidiousness - invisible, able to be designed to do whatever is setup, and the whatever for instance, could be as shown in one of the above posts - what types of nano-particles could be in consumer items? What about those which we have NOT been told about by manufacturers.. (class 5 particles)

I find it to be simply a delusional glee that one can spot looking for the "good that can be done" by correctly designed and applied nano-tech. No question there is good that can be done. However, and that caveat is so pervasively insidious, it is easy to make a mistake that results in, and I am serious, something like the Andromeda Strain substance, albeit maybe not based on silicon, it could be based on carbon and amino acids.


https://i.warosu.org/data/ck/img/0053/86/1398563958033.jpg
Andromeda Strain molecule (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Andromeda_Strain_(film))

All documentation that I have sifted through (just a handful of some key pieces of published data), and by God there are a lot of documents, and we REALLY could use a LOT of help here to sort it; the only methods being talked about is "boosting the immune system to handle when cells start dying to clear them out quickly". Like handling an infection - if the whole body tho is "infected", read "infested" with a nano-substance, I simply don't know. How is one going to stop a spliced in compound which has saturated every cell in the body? How is one going to survive? What about an insidious mutation though that escapes recognition?

I am not being alarmist here - I am sharing just the tip of the iceberg of some of the documentation (anyone can do the searching and compiling of the data) - it should speak for itself, that the double edged sword exists, and the technology is potentially in the hands of some amazing people, and possibly in the hands of in-experienced "students", or let's go out on a limb and say enemy combatants, or terrorists.. (just trying to see where the plus and minus limits are) but right now it's in the hands of HAND CREME marketing groups, to make wrinkles go away.. (sigh), at what expense to the progeny? India is starting to compile statistics (see the article I mentioned above).

I truly am at a loss here for solutions.

Possibly counter-measures would consist of creating micro-machines of a similar nature, basically creating a "nano-immune system", something which goes after "the signature of enemy machines" seeks them out and destroys them..

That means MORE research in this field, not less, as Genie is clearly out of the bottle and about.

If the existing nano-dna structures have been created to bypass one's own normal immune system where are we? What normal natural immune system reaction will recognize those nano-particles which escape the normal protection mechanism? How can we determine who is working on such, where and under what over-sight? What safety mechanisms are in place?

I would say, the questions I first asked are important as I believe it helps to find a way for a solution:


What has been assembled by whom, such is controlled by whom, and for what purpose? Has it been deployed?

Obviously we are seeing deployment HAS happened in the guise of about 600 products, (someone needs to compile that list and make it known to the people) - someone needs to address the consequences of having such in one's body, or in the environment (or food chain)...

In the discussion, it was never fully touched upon the weapon-ized uses of for instance a DNA cage nano-structure containing a toxin or specific bio-genetic agent capable of targeting key DNA sequences. The science, it has been stated by university folk, can develop it "as desired" (but it is talked about in the open that they just insert a small simple "drug" for delivery).

I just finished reading a document put out by the British Royal Society describing how nano-technology may be considered as a type of weapon covered in part by the International Biological weapons Conventions.

We need folks to jump on this and get the questions answered that I posed. I can't do this alone, and we really need the assistance of some great folks who understand the implications..

thanks..

BTW, here is a pix of a DNA-nano-structure, any resemblance to the Andromeda Strain particle is of course PURELY COINCIDENTAL....:twitch:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/SierpinskiTriangle.svg
(from Wiki the Sierpinski DNA Scaffold Triangle Structure)

[Bob]

NanoProject Org reports there are up to 1600 products worldwide now using nano substances.

This directory page below allows one to BROWSE the list of known published producers and users of such. ( Directory shows all products as of the date of publication, advertising or containing nano-structures, such as microprocessors (not that anyone is going to eat or break open a microprocessor chip and handle it but such might be a concern with electronics recycling places, i.e. nano-materials "in-the-air" from recycled electronics being crushed).

http://www.nanotechproject.org/cpi/browse/

One can also look at some risk factors here by the same organization:

http://www.nanotechproject.org/cpi/browse/exposures/


Here is an example of one of the "interesting" nano-products, nano-aluminum, like just what one needs, a way to get aluminum in to brain cells (sigh), great lubricating product, super slippery.. Just dab with your finger (no way) on the screw that needs to be prevented from sticking in the thread... How many mechanics may be doing such a thing I wonder? Oh they say, it makes a great cosmetic, just put nano-aluminum on your skin, your face to handle wrinkles.. (deep sigh) :noidea:

http://www.nanotechproject.org/cpi/products/alusiontm-alumina-powders/

http://www.nanotechproject.org/cpi/site/assets/files/1321/1028.500x0.jpg

This page below, really surprised me; I never thought that sunscreen, something we all are supposed to be using to prevent skin cancers, would have nano-particles in them, and is used by some manufacturers whom I really thought would never do such things...

http://www.nanotechproject.org/cpi/browse/categories/health-and-fitness/sunscreen/

And the claims in this one are particularly interesting, they claim they use GOLD nanoparticles..

http://www.nanotechproject.org/cpi/products/nano-gold-energizing-cream/

Oh no - please not candy containing Nano-Particles

http://www.nanotechproject.org/cpi/browse/companies/mars-inc/

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Titanium Dioxide (TiO2) one will see is in many cosmetics, foods, beverages.. here is a report saying how studies were performed to show that titanium dioxide nano-particles can be present in tissues trans-dermally, and the indication suggests that such presence in certain tissues is responsible for fetus and sexual problems..

http://jhs.pharm.or.jp/data/55(1)/55_95.pdf

[Bob]

Who's working on it?


http://cmsimg.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=DS&Date=20131019&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=310190026&Ref=AR&MaxW=640&Border=0&Nanotech-bots-can-find-kill-diseases http://cmsimg.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=DS&Date=20131019&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=310190026&Ref=AR&MaxW=640&Border=0&Nanotech-bots-can-find-kill-diseases
Alabama State's Dr. Shree Singh, third from right, talks at the NanoBio Summit

Oct. 19, 2013


"Lots of nanotechnology research is being done at universities and throughout the country,” he said. “That’s where most of the innovations will happen in the next 50 to 100 years."


Singh’s department received a $1.5 million grant from the National Institutes of Health earlier this year to expand its work and train more students. Although the work being done at ASU is important, Singh said it is crucial to bring together scientists from different areas so that they can collaborate.

That led to the first NanoBio Summit this week at the Renaissance Hotel, where more than 250 leading researchers gathered to exchange ideas and present their work.

Presenters came from as far away as Northwestern University and the University of North Texas discussing a range of ways their work could advance modern medicine.



“Lots of diseases happen because of bacterial or viral infection,” Singh said.

“There would be new nanomaterials (inserted into your body) which could target a specific bacterial virus.

The virus may be in your body, and (specific nanotechnology placed in there) can target it before you even get sick.”

ref: http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20131019/NEWS01/310190026/Nanotech-bots-can-find-kill-diseases

[Bob]

This is particularly interesting - similar to the "Manhattan style thrust" to develop the Atomic bomb, or the current brain scan program being governmentally instituted to "figure out how the brain works, and where is information stored, accessed, and triggered.."

"A few seats are available for no-cost nanotechnology technician’s training beginning Oct. 28 and ending Dec. 7 at the Applied Technology Training Center, 114 S. Del Rosa Drive in San Bernardino."

"The training includes 45 hours of Phase I: Introduction to Nanotechnology. Phase II and Phase III consist of lectures and on-the job training in the fundamentals of nanomaterials, nanoenergy and nanomedicine."

Wanna be a pseudo-nano-scientist with what basically constitutes a "workshop"?

That they feel people can be trained in 45-50 days says how easy this technology is to work with, and that it is readily available, and one can obtain raw materials, and start production. That scares me. Where is the oversight?

Tell me again how students even so briefly trained will now virtually overnight, understand the moral implications, the ethics, the legal, consequences of nano-technology synthesis?

And these "trained" technician-students when done with their free courses can be turned loose on the world armed with probably the most potentially horrific but potentially earth changing technology mankind has ever seen?

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

This ought to be one of the biggest issues concerning the average US citizen.
Sadly for the thinking minority, most people don't care about things they can't see.
Thank you for the very good images and examples in this thread -- very well written and organized.

It reminds me of the ethics complaints made by James D Watson when he criticized the actions of J Craig Venter in regards to Venter's usage of "EST" tagging.

In fact, Venter's people were involved with putting ENGINEERED GENES dictated by computer analysis into the Swine Flu vaccine when Obama was being elected, etc.
They were asked to provide a synthetic gene sequence and were able to deliver said sequence to the NIH within a 3 day window.

People are worried about "real time" network monitoring when they don't even realize, our DNA can also be modified in real time.
It's actually quite a bit worse than the NSA.

Geneticists are clearly acting on the knowledge they ILLEGALLY glean -- oh wait, didn't they "catch Osama" by faking a vaccine campaign in his region and looking at the ESTs?

People did not riot when they heard this?

Bobd has addressed an extremely important topic here.

[Bob]

This ought to be one of the biggest issues concerning the average US citizen.
Sadly for the thinking minority, most people don't care about things they can't see.

Nanotechnology:
it is so diverse from biomedical, to paint, to food, to putting the stuff in clothing even! on tools, on paper, in cosmetics, emissions from Jet Engines, Automobile Engines, Ship Engines, Diesel Engines, Locomotives..


http://www.amnh.org/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/amnh/yna/amber_stacks/467729-2-eng-US/amber_stacks.gif

Factory production, Coal Fired Power Plants, Commercial incinerators each generate nanoparticle toxic pollution

Would a MOD consider making this thread sticky?

thanks

Bob

[soleil]

chemtrails must be an automatic part of this too, maybe?

[Bob]

I think we need to ask Sway, what is the particle size that exists in the aerosol.

The critical area appears to be particles smaller than 50 nanometers can be easily absorbed, if they contain a metal core plus an organic coating or consist of a carbon skeleton structure, or a carbon helical structure all the studies are saying those particles that size do penetrate. The danger window as far as size goes, appears to be in the 5-30 nanometer size range..

IF the issue really is, aerosolized nanoparticles coming from combustion sources exhausts, i.e. diesel engines (nano-soot), or kerosene burning engines running a rich mixture (?) generating micro-soot and if the particles are in the critical region, they definitely can be absorbed by the tissues.

One of the articles I read today on a trade journal site (NanoParticles.org) showed that certain particle sizes will if inhaled pass into the brain via the olfactory nerves.

There is a lot of research needed.

This is the type of equipment needed to search for nano-particles, it's expensive and not many people have it or understand how to take proper samples. EDUCATION and funding is needed and telling people what is happening and WHY they need to be concerned.


http://www.emc.missouri.edu/images/IMG_1238.JPG

Some sites are saying the lubrication agents (containing nano-particle structures to make the oil more slippery, preventing seizing and binding) if they get into the combustion process itself could be the sources of the nano-particles..

I think your question is a great one !

(ed: - see the next couple posts on AEROSOL NANO-PARTICLES, very revealing !)

[soleil]

ive read that chemtrails are meant to be inhaled, or absorbed into skin. it looks like a huge connection.

[Bob]

Sheldon K. Friedlander & David Y.H. Pui , of UCLA (University California, Los Angeles) put together a document called "NSF Aerosol Particle Report", its intention to present and focus on“Emerging Issues in Nanoparticle Aerosol Science and Technology (NAST)”

Summarizing, what the report goes over details that indeed there are atmospheric particles smaller than 100 nanometers, and particles which exist in the critical range below or <50 nanometers.

I will excerpt some quotes from the article and then get into some discussion about significance of these points.


Fundamentals of Nanoparticle Aerosol Formation - Particles form in gases by various mechanisms.

At least 3 types of nuclei (core particles) were activated when atmospheric air was saturated during "adiabatic expansion",
Def: "Adiabatic" - Changes in temperature caused by the expansion (cooling) or compression (warming) of a body of air as it rises or descends in the atmosphere, with no exchange of heat with the surrounding air.) Expanding air creating cooling and condensing, in other words, is the significance.


http://aerosols.ucsd.edu/aerosols_files/aerosolpic1.jpg

1) existing aerosol particles at saturation ratios near unity (1:1 ratios of background carrier gas and particle/molecule present),
2) ionized (electrically charged) gas molecules at higher values than super-saturation and
3) water molecules themselves at much higher super-saturations.

The above defines the parameters needed for how a cloud can appear in the presence of small nucleation starting points (like microscopic seed points form starting locations from which the rest of the condensing process can continue, making up larger and larger (and visible) particles (or droplets if moisture is condensing).


Applications are to reducing major uncertainties in the global radiation balance, especially the poorly understood "indirect effects" produced by nuclei that modify the global cloud cover and the hydrologic cycle. Other important applications are to aerosols produced when hot vapors from pollution sources are injected into the atmosphere.

In 2003, the date of the report, conference and workshop, representatives of several important official organizations attended:
1) NIST, Gaithersburg, Maryland
2) EPA, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina
3) NSF, Arlington, Virginia
4) California Air Resources Board, Sacramento, California
5) NIOSH, Cincinnati, Ohio

as well as numerous university participants (Yale, Caltech, Carnegie-Mellon, UCSD, University of Colorado, Kansas State, Clarkson University, Washington University, University of Minnesota), and industry participants.

One of the topics discussed was: Formation of Atmospheric ultrafine particles (UFP's) - with diameters less than about 0.10 µm (under, or < 100 nanometers, or nano-particles..)


These nanoparticles are formed from gases by a variety of gas-to-particle conversion processes.

There are at least three sources of gases, which may be converted to particles.

UFP's may be formed at high temperature sources and emitted directly to the atmosphere. Some processes may emit hot supersaturated vapors, which undergo nucleation and condensation while cooling to ambient temperatures. Chemical reactions in the atmosphere may lead to (new) chemical species with very low saturation vapor pressures. (At altitudes for instance)

These chemical species may form particles by a variety of nucleation processes. UFP's are particularly important in atmospheric chemistry and environmental health.

Toxicological and epidemiological evidence linking respiratory health effects and exposures to UFP's has been increasing over the last several years.

More recent toxicological studies indicate that ultrafine particles are most potent in inducing oxidative stress.

UFP's (pass thru the cell walls and) also localize in (cellular) mitochondria where they induce major structural damage.

Clearly (as much as we can read in the scientific terminology), these scientists have stated that there are nano-particles in the atmosphere and have determined that the particles do indeed form through the combustion process. They also say:


There is a fundamental lack of information on how (all the methods that) nanoparticles form and grow to sizes that can serve as cloud condensation nuclei (CCN) and affect the earth’s climate.

Little information is also available on the concentrations or physical/chemical properties of UFP's in places where people live and work.

Studies focusing on heath effects are also needed to identify mechanisms by which UFP's induce cellular damage and generate oxidative stress, how they penetrate the cellular structure, and how the above effects depend on (their) chemical composition.

This information is essential in reducing emissions of UFP's that are a risk to public health. Finally, there is a need to better detect UFP's that pose a biological threat.


http://www.imk-aaf.kit.edu/img/03_Foto-MixedPhaseClouds.jpg


They know that these nano-particles are participating in cloud formation.


https://www.imk-tro.kit.edu/img/content/AG_Spurenstoffmodellierung.jpg


And they know that the nano-particles (UFP's) are dangerously "oxidative", that the concentrations of the nano-particles seem to be lodging in the cellular "mitochondria" (the mechanism of the cells where energy formation happens), and inducing major damage.

They know that engine exhaust does indeed form nano-particles.

They know that there are engine exhausts emitting particulates in the atmosphere; they know that there are wood burning, coal burning, gas burning fires.


http://teemss2.concord.org/artwork/skywatching/images/citysmog.gif

I should also point out that OIL/GAS well associated gas "FLARING" has been recognized as a major source of nano-soot, and a major cause of world global air pollution, so much so that the World Bank has said it will no longer provide loans to countries wishing to develop their oil and gas resources if they FLARE (burn off the associated gas at the wellhead).


http://www.2b1stconsulting.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/World_Bank_Gas_Flaring_Program.gif
Oil/Gas well flaring

And they know that these nano-particles are indeed a Biological threat.

They know that nucleation and rapid growth occurs as hot pollutant exhaust gases mix with cooler air in the ambient environment.


http://images.iop.org/objects/phw/news/15/7/21/aerosol.jpg

Can we draw a conclusion then that NORMAL engine exhausts in the high altitudes of flight will produce nano-particles? If we look at the above science, one would say yes, such does naturally form.

What the scientists at this conference say also is, the nano-particle formation tends to STAY within a close area to the emission source.

If the emission source is moving then, can we assume that a "trail" of nano-particles would be formed?


http://www.esd.ornl.gov/earth_aquatic/atm_aerosol/photos/atmopsheric_home.jpg

Whether or not the nano-particles then would proceed to grow larger, and move out of the critial size window <50 nanometers size, is determined by the amount of saturation of vapor present at the temperature the particles are formed.

When the super-saturation forms, the nucleation allows for particle agglomeration, or growth to happen, finally to the point of visible "clouds".. At the point of visual cloud formation, the particles are PAST the size of the <50 nanometer sized dangerous window.

That observation about when it becomes VISIBLE, the particles are larger than the critical danger window (<50 nanometer sizes) - and such begs us to connect some dots.

If the emissions happen (and we know they do), and if there is not super-saturation (the air is dry), then there will be virtually invisible particles under or <50 nanometers formed.

That being the case, the exhaust trails WITHOUT cloud (contrail) formations could very well harbor the dangerous particles.

Will the particles dissipate? We assume that they do as clouds can be seen to grow larger or "evaporate" under different conditions.

At what rate, when dissipating will the particles aggregate, or become larger, and out of the dangerous window, <50 nanometers?

We simply don't know the answers to these questions and the scientists during the 2003 conference made it quite clear that they don't know either..

What these folks have said, is there is indeed aerosol nano-particle production during the combustion process and exhaust emission into the atmosphere.

(more to come)

[Bob]

Nano-Aerosol Health Effects - (from the research report above)

Background:

An emerging literature indicates that ultrafine particles (UFB's or NanoParticles <50 nm) are more toxic than the rest of ambient particulate matter (normal dust, visible smoke).

Recent epidemiological studies have found an association between exposure to ultrafine particles and mortality due to respiratory or cardiovascular disease.

This association was strongest for UFP (<50nm sized nanoparticle) concentrations expressed as number concentrations. Toxicological studies also indicate that these nano-particles, unlike larger particles, are capable of penetrating the cellular membrane, where they create an inflammatory response by means of generating oxidative stress and causing damage to the mitochondria.

ref: Sheldon K. Friedlander & David Y.H. Pui , of UCLA (University California, Los Angeles) put together a document called "NSF Aerosol Particle Report", its intention to present and focus on “Emerging Issues in Nanoparticle Aerosol Science and Technology (NAST)”

Control of automobile tailpipe emissions: most ultrafine particles (UFP <50nm nanoparticles) from motor vehicles are produced after the exhaust gases leave the tailpipe; an understanding of the mechanisms of nucleation, growth, and transport is needed to control such emissions by causing formation to occur in a control device or by controlling precursor vapors prior to exiting the vehicle.

The mechanism of combustion of the hydrocarbon fuel, plus the expansion of the exhaust into the atmosphere results in said formation - it is not possible to stop formation when the internal combustion process occurs in the existing configuration of exhaust systems. This is a critical observation.

It is unknown if burning hydrogen will create a "safer" tailpipe emission where the nanoparticles rapidly aggregate to form particles larger >100 nanometers in size, bypassing the danger size window. Electrochemically hydrogen nanosized particles could easily combine with other reactive nano-particles such as free soot "carbons" from emissions from conventional hydrocarbon engines.

Worldwide map of nano-particle aerosol distribution:


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(click for larger map)

[Bob]

How small are these Nano-Particles ?

It's hard to show it on a screen as these are basically invisible except under powerful electron microscopes.

Here is an example compared to some known items - a Hair, some sand, and some simple "dust" particulates - all are 1000 times larger than the critical particle sizes, but you get the idea, these things are very small..


http://chanlo.com/images/scales-1.jpg

[Bob]

Aerosol Paper - NANO-PARTICLES
from DIESEL engine Exhaust

Summary, the nano-particles happen when the hot gases expand, cool and nucleate. The dangerous particles do indeed form, the <50 nanometer sized window.


http://www.me.umn.edu/centers/cdr/reports/JAASTpaper.pdf

D.B. Kittelson

Center for Diesel Research, Mechanical Engineering Department, University of Minnesota,
111 Church St. S.E., Minneapolis, Minnesota, 55455, USA

presented at the meeting on

CURRENT RESEARCH ON DIESEL EXHAUST PARTICLES
JAPAN ASSOCIATION OF AEROSOL SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY

9 January 2001
TOKYO, JAPAN

[Bob]

Combustion of a fuel to generate heat, light, power creates particles. We have ignored the nano-particle creation since fire was first discovered.

One could call it the Prometheus Syndrome really, that we never knew until recently that the exhaust gases contained items more toxic, more dangerous than simple carcinogens, (tars, oils, or carbon monoxide). We have since the first time FIRE was allowed to burn, to allow it's gases to expand into the atmosphere - allowed these nanoparticles have been formed, and inhaled, ingested, or otherwise taken in by the body and the surroundings.. We just didn't know the damage being created..

We certainly know that we need combustion to drive engines, to fly our jets, to move our vehicles, to heat our homes.. BUT we are outputting dangerous nanoparticles in the process. It is TIME that we move away from combustion and go to direct heat sources, catalytic conversion sources, solar/heat/tidal/thorium where heat is converted cleanly into motive force, into power, into useful work.

There are ways to in a solid state manner convert a hydrocarbon fuel, or a hydrogen fuel, or an alcohol fuel, or a diesel fuel directly into electricity, or secondarily using "heat engines" to drive electrical generators, to run electric motors. The emission of the nanoparticles would be reduced to zero using those methods. This is a critical moment for our planet and all life. We have so much emission happening, we are saturating the environment and ourselves with nanoparticles, and the environment and the living organisms are showing the assault, in different types of sickness, manifesting.

Looking at the graphic, this shows the particle distribution in mass and size, from an exhaust from burning a fuel. These particles form when the high temperature gas combines with the colder air, the formation of nano-sized nucleation points, or seed points. Notice the size and quantity of the danger zone particles formed.


http://chanlo.com/images/nano2.jpg

(from the PDF report in the previous post)

[chocolate]

I completely agree with Tesla that we most of the times do not care about what we don't see. That is why most people don't care about auras, sixth sense, invisible energies, the whole thing about the possible and the not possible. But I know the biggest problem is that people don't know about most of this. Everyone is so busy chasing the wheel that have no time nor desire to stop what they are doing and look around. Lack of interest and desire to observe and know. This is just an opinion, no offence to those who still are unaware, everyone in its own time.

Bob, I know this is one huge issue. Together with the electronic waves that have stuffed the space all around us, and the rest of the chemical test we have been sentenced to endure. Not to mention the black nano substances some people have been talking about (the black goo as some call it).
I think this problem needs to cease to exist, and it needs this to happen fast.

[Bob]

Hi Chocolate - I know and I am finding more that we are planetwide boxing ourselves into a corner.

These nano-particles that are being produced even by COOKING on the stove, are being absorbed and clogging up the energy producing areas of the cells. These things are the size of viruses and can easily do damage similarly..

We have to present to folks what is going on with the combustion of fuels, the moment that hot exhaust gas expands, the particles form.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Diesel-smoke.jpg

Then they stick around unless they are nucleated to larger particles.. Like how folks are concerned about contrails, the visible emissions, what is not being connected is that the emission of the nano-toxins ARE there without the visible emission.

When they see it, they are worried about contrails, but I am going to say it again, the engine exhausts ARE producing the toxic sized particle when the gas expands from the exhaust. When it becomes visible, it is becoming safer, the bigger the cloud the more the particle have become bigger (and safer from the nano-particle size). If there are metals up there, the nanoparticles can latch onto them, or if they are present in the fuel, they make the larger substances dangerous.

Exhaust emission from this gas to particle formation appears to be the world-wide leading cause of atmospheric emission..


http://img.technospot.in/Air-Pollution-from-Vehicles.png

I can easily see weapons designed out of this, totally insidious, unknown that such happens, this could be as simple as tossing a designed substance into a fire that causes the fire to liberate copious quantities of nano-particles. And those nanoparticles then get absorbed by the lungs, transported to the cells, and when inhaled by the nose, the particles can reach the brain directly..

I think looking at the nano-particle concept will explain a LOT about these insidious and mysterious diseases forming that don't seem to be attributed to bacteria or viruses..

Thank you for your observation...

More need to hear about these nano-particles, so that we can ask the right questions and come up with the right solutions.. There is a lot of good that can come out of it, and the sooner the better..

[Bob]

22 October - Al Jazeera

Currently on Inside Story, (news in perspective around the world), they are interviewing experts from China, Brasil, US and Mexico on the problem of Nano-Particle pollution.

The scientists group consensus is right now CHINA, the terrible smog pollution happening is laden with nanoparticles plus larger nucleated particles which are visible. They have also stated this is ultra-serious, is the product of combustion processes from engines exhausts from vehicles, coal fired power plants exhaust emissions and a weather anomaly keeping the pollution in place.

Basically substantial information of the above subject matters within the above posts dealing with the technical aerosol nano-particle production were discussed. There is no solution because China intends to grow as does Mexico, and that means more burning of coal for electrical power, and more burning of diesel and gasoline to run vehicles. Even though there are extreme pollution standards for the vehicles in China, higher than in Europe or America, these emissions are so pervasive, the particles build up and build up. The mechanism of when the hot exhaust forms and expands into the cooler air, the particles ARE formed, and there are NO systems in place to stop that, prevent that or diminish that..

The scientists say intense heart disease, cardiovascular disorders, breathing problems, and cancers are the outcome - it is a VERY VERY substantial health problem is being mentioned over and over. They say it costs money to try to find ways to remediate, and they simply will not spend the funds to develop the actual solutions. All talk, no do in other words. And people continue to suffer. The mistake is the discussion is moving to some type of switch over to a LOW carbon economy, the result never-the-less is, when the HOT gas expands, nucleation happens when it cools, and the nanoparticles happen.. they have NOT connected those dots..


http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/China-Pollution.JPEG-0bfec-555x370.jpg

ref: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2013-10/22/c_132821046.htm
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2013-10/22/c_132821019.htm

"BEIJING, Oct. 15 (Xinhuanet) -- China says that it has allocated five billion yuan, that’s over 800 million US dollars, for curbing air pollution in six provincial regions in northern China.

(UPDATE China removed (censored?) the image off their news service apparently, the image is now found elsewhere)

The list includes Beijing and Tianjin, the provinces of Hebei, Shanxi and Shandong, as well as the Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region. The funds are merit-based. These regions won’t get the money until receiving an assessment of their efforts next year.

Reduction of PM 2.5, a key indicator of air quality, will be taken into account. Other benchmarks include initial pollution reduction targets and investments in pollution treatment."

The issue with an allocation is, getting the funding to develop actual solution takes years and years, and business growth, vehicle use, power plant expansion continues, and therefore the pollution levels continue to rise.

I know people in South Korea who have said they can SEE the yellow smog appear from the west as it drifts eastward, eventually contributing to weather anomalies in the Pacific and the Western US.

[penn]

Bobd,

What about John Searl's Magnetic motor? I remember a video where he is standing in front of a wall waterfall and stated that the longer the motor runs it will clean the air.

Penn

[Bob]

Hi Penn, well that's a magnetic and electro-static type of device. Good thought, if anyone can get Searl's system running effectively, doing things like gravity compensation, that may be a good way to get off the ground, and not use jets, or gasoline engines. I wonder though about the fuel to get it spinning..

Another Forum member asked if we would need to have personal air filters to wear. It may take some type of sensor results constantly being published by the news services, wire services, and some great internet Forums, just reminding folks it's not what we are seeing, when we are seeing it visibly, the particles are already out of the highest danger category, and in the category that deals with breathing difficulties, lung inflammation, bronchial inflammation..

I am sure the right type of enclosed space filtering systems can be developed, and probably pretty soon people will see incidence of "sick building syndrome" may start to diminish and health rapidly start to improve.

It, I guess, will be when we go outside into an urban environment what will we be breathing in. Remediation definitely is going to be a big thing. Lets see how cost effective it could become.

Bob

[penn]

Maybe selling it as an air purifier would be the way to go. Eventually it might be able to be used as intended.

[Zephra]

I believe Morgellons has come from this nano technology. This is a very important topic, Thank You BobD.

[Snowflower]

There are a lot of good reasons to not use skin care products, not eat factory prepared foods, not live in highly polluted areas, and not drink treated water. Other than that, what can we do about this? I'm already doing everything I can for health reasons. So, I simply cannot add one more thing to my list to worry about. I have to put it into the column of: this will disappear when civilization crashes. Otherwise, I might just go nutsy.

[Bob]

There are a lot of good reasons to not use skin care products, not eat factory prepared foods, not live in highly polluted areas, and not drink treated water. Other than that, what can we do about this? I'm already doing everything I can for health reasons.

So, I simply cannot add one more thing to my list to worry about.

I have to put it into the column of: this will disappear when civilization crashes. Otherwise, I might just go nutsy.

Hi Snow Flower :)

I think what the first step is, is what we are doing - IDENTIFYING that there is an issue, then we look for WHERE is it coming from (who is creating it, why, how often does it happen (like the WHEN))

I am working on the documentation step, of the stuff exists, and what it does (based on the case studies), and seeing WHO is doing it and why (a lot of folks think this stuff is the best thing since sliced bread, able to be a wonder-machine (if used right), if used wrongly it will destroy all life, make the planet uninhabitable until the structures causing the issues erode.

To me it means legislation and education - education to show what's happening, why and what happens when the nano's get loose.. The critical sized nano-particles are the sizes of viruses and smaller ! That's pretty significant when we realize how easily viruses can get into everything.. And viruses demonstrate that they can duplicate themselves and virtually prove to be unstop-able by normal means.. (heck maybe being able to stop nanoparticles may be we can learn how to fully kill off viruses !! weoh !! knew there would be a nano-silver lining in there somewhere !)

So Nano-Aerosol Particles, the stuff in the air from COMBUSTION of fuels is a big problem that affects everyone everywhere - it's in the air and that air circulates around the planet.

We have to switch to different means to generate electricity, and to move vehicles. We need clean energy generation. Zero emission energy generation means no burning stuff that has an exhaust gas of some kind that ends up in the atmosphere.

We have to stop creating fires - that's a hard one, but things like OIL WELL and NATURAL GAS associated flaring is the equivalent of 70 million cars running 24/7 annually (World Bank ref: http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2012/07/03/world-bank-sees-warning-sign-gas-flaring-increase )

We have to heat factory furnaces by other means than oxidizing fuels (burning fuels, oxygen/air plus hydrocarbon fuel, either gas or liquid or coal).

We can't deal with the nanoparticles created by the evaporative effects from seawater and lakes, nor can we deal with the volcanic emissions, nor can we simply allow the VENTING of the methane and other hydrocarbon emission from natural organic reactions (swamp gasses, sewage biodegrading). There are ways to deal with landfill gas emission and sewage treatment, but such needs to be captured not burnt nor vented.

Years back folks thought that the release of chlorine atoms from freon (refrigerants) was an issue creating ozone depletion, but what was neglected, and basically hidden and ignored was the combustion process itself releases the nano-particles, so this convenient sleight of hand, move attention from the tailpipe to the air-conditioner. We were made "bad" for wanting to have a cool home or office or vehicle, but industry changed to ozone friendly gases as refrigerants which supposedly minimized ozone depletion. I don't think there has been a study yet on the NEW OZONE friendly refrigerants - something on the TODO list..

Then what I am saying is emission control, legislation, education are needed steps.

Emission control systems CAN be built for vehicles that travel on land or water. It's going to look a bit different for a tail pipe, but I believe it can be done.

The air vehicles, planes.. that is another story. I believe it could be done, but there is going to need to be a lot of research on particle quenching techniques on the exhaust, that will not hinder engine performance and needed thrust. My feeling is when this is accomplished a LOT of people world wide are going to be relieved.. I think a lot of pollution, particle plus noise clearing is going to happen with that step.

I feel it ultimately comes down to this: New methods of transport are needed. That is the best way, to release the hidden technologies and save all life on the planet. The naivety though to say that will happen in a money $$$ based shortage manipulated economy is snowball in hell chance odds.. Maybe somebody will realize life is more important than $$ dunno there.

Personal and building air cleaning systems that will reduce at least 99.9% or more of the harmful range nanoparticles can be produced, I have started to look at the technologies for that, and will start to look at how models of such can be created..

** ED: UV plus electrostatic UNI-POLE (one polarity, pbly ideally negative ions), plus an activated Carbon, Plus HEPA would address a lot of the nano-particles, PLUS address the larger organic Volatile substances. These things do need cleaning and maintenance as how one changes a water filter over time. - I would think all-in-ones are possible, but no doubt there are numerous specialty systems available which use one or more of the needed steps. The idea is to get the nano-particles to nucleate (clump) and get attracted to the electrostatic charged collector plate in the air cleaner system. If it clumps in the filter, it's not going to then do it in the lungs or skin if one can get it out of the air we breath.

As to a personal system to take with one.. HEPA filters come close to removing particle larger than 300 nanometers, which is a lot of the smoke and soot, but they don't touch the nanoparticles which are coming out of the tailpipe. I think I can envision a system that could be a table top module that could attract such particles, something like how a bug-light attracts insects, where the particles would rather combine in the "cleaner" than go into one's lungs.. just thinking out loud here..

The questions HAVE to be asked as you are asking them..

Thanks...

Bob

[Bob]

I believe Morgellons has come from this nano technology. This is a very important topic, Thank You BobD.

Good thought there Zephra ! Without getting in the Monsanto stuff here, with how they create a transgenic (through the genes) modified food, like splicing in spider venom toxins into food to make caterpillars and other insects die when eating the GM food, they use VIRUS transposons (natural viral mechanisms that act like micromachines, or nanomachines) to splice in the new foreign spider gene. Those TRANSPOSONS the viri are supposed to DIE before the genetic modified crop is started. The reality is those transposons HAVE been found in the wild.

What if these nano-machines have been virtually created by viral transposons plus cellulose formation genes (from the plants), and a new splicing agent is out there, which transposon splices a cellulose making gene into the skin of Morgellons affected people? Sounds like the mechanism to me how it works, and how it got there. I don't believe Morgellons was out there until GM foods were created and released in the wild. That's my feeling.. Ya, some type of micromachine, either nano-machine with some mixing of the viral and nano-systems.. maybe accidental, maybe some weapon getting loosed..

ref: transposons and RETRO-VIRUSES see http://www.bioinformatics.nl/webportal/background/transposonsinfo.html
its a good read...

And to cap it off, these same transposons, and retro-viruses are also readily accessible to college "students" wanting to do gene splicing, about the same amount of safeguards and techniques used as with nano-particle manufacturing - no oversight, build your own nano-virus machines - oh my God..

[Bob]

23 October 2013 Update - Beijing "Smog"

I follow numerous trade Journals from around the World, in various disciplines, various industries so I can keep up on what people are talking about. I found this today in Canadian Manufacturing, a trade journal site which primarily deals with helping to keep local Canadian Industry members up to date on local events. They have been following what is happening in China and there is a lot of Chinese investment in Canada's businesses.

Here is what caught my attention:

"Vehicle emissions are blamed for about a quarter of Beijing's pollution, with coal-fired plants and factory production blamed for most of the rest.."

"The (restriction/control) measures require precise pollution forecasting and timely public notification to be effective, and there was obvious skepticism in the questions asked by Chinese reporters at a briefing announcing the emergency measures.

"They apply only to industries and individuals in Beijing, despite the fact that as much as 60 per cent of the city’s (Beijing's) air pollution wafts in from neighbouring provinces, such as Hebei to the south.

“We have no control over Hebei, but this is a national priority and we hope we can be a positive role model,” Fang Li, vice-director of the city’s Environmental Protection Bureau, told reporters.

"A sprawling city of more than 20 million people, Beijing saw air pollution levels spike this year despite imposing more than 100 control measures that are enforced with varying strictness.

"Vehicle emissions are blamed for about a quarter of the pollution, with coal-fired plants and factory production blamed for most of the rest."


http://news.echinacities.com/upload/editor/chinainpulse-(26).jpg

I find it interesting that there is "skepticism" that any type of control measure is going to do anything to curb these pollutions.

My understanding is, the primary source of the problem is NOT being addressed, the <100 nanometer sized particles. The range of particle emission on the BOTTOM end of the scale, from 5-100 nanometers in size, are what "nucleates" and clumps upwards, and the "alarms to off" when the particle size is PM 2.5 or above at a certain density (2.5 microns equals 2500 nanometer sized particles).

Trying to deal with when it becomes visible in that 2.5 micrometer range and larger, ignores the invisible source of the particles and there are more sources of particles in the 5-100 nanometer range than just autos trucks trains and factories. So they will never solve the problem and it will get worse and worse.. unless all the nanoparticle are addressed.

[sheme]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jajYw1j2O5o



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njXTvLaUFm0





A most important thread Bobd, one I have sent myself a ref to.

[Bob]

new Thread update

I have become aware of something "new" in the way of nano- technologies as related to direct brain nervous system control, and the technologies shown are very do-able and have been demonstrated by the producer scientists.

The control range of such to perform in-real-time modification, or "tuning adjustments" to fine adjust activity based on the program is not more than a few feet at best, more like one's head would have to be inside a MRI machine, in a doctor's office in a special machine, a "chair"..

I am not sure exactly which sub-forum to place this in. It is not a conspiracy, it is not an accepted medical technology or a new science. It is a control technology using nano-science.

[Bob]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2012/12/global-power-plant-fleet.png

Every plant that is not Hydro-electric, or nuclear, solar or geothermal, in short those that BURN and emit a hydrocarbon are generating nano-particle pollution. It could be carbon nanoparticles, or metal nanoparticles, or ceramic oxides (a type of metal oxide dust).

[Sidney]

I hadn't seen this thread before. A good one. I appreciated your solution directed thinking!!!!!

[Bob]

You are right bobd, there are many problems with pollution with regards to the issues you point out, however the theme of this thread is pertaining to the shiit (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70765-What-chemtrails-are-really-for.....&p=826094&viewfull=1#post826094) they are dumping in the sky via tanker jets. If you have studied Clifford Carnicoms work [..]

Thanks for reading the NanoParticle thread Sidney :) Thing is though I read what Sheme was asking for was a solution to the ALUMINUM coming from nanoparticle emission (and how to get ALUMINUM out of the body using a special type of water).

Below I point out it is really highly logically improbable that high altitude jet emission can create anything down low on earth, and point out very accurate measurement methods to verify that such is not present in jet fuel emission..

I have pointed this out before, the systems that can REMOTELY actually analyze jet exhaust or car exhaust, or volcano exhaust, all emitters of nanoparticle pollution and toxic gases, are what is called an optical Open Path Fast Fourier transform infrared analyzer system (http://chemwiki.ucdavis.edu/Physical_Chemistry/Spectroscopy/Vibrational_Spectroscopy/Infrared_Spectroscopy/How_an_FTIR_Spectrometer_Operates). (Optical FTIR).

What it consists of is a telescope, front surface coating, which will reflect infra-red wavelengths pretty well without losses. The information travels into a spectral analyzer, which analyses the chemical constituents from what it is pointed out REMOTELY, non-invasively. Based on something called Beers Law, the amount of concentration of the emission source can be detected.

ref: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17458466 and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18581812 and http://oldimages.vertmarkets.com/crlive/files/images/a2aacb68-524d-11d6-a789-00d0b7694f32/img6176copy.jpg


http://oldimages.vertmarkets.com/crlive/files/images/a2aacb68-524d-11d6-a789-00d0b7694f32/img6176copy.jpg

Pointing it into a VOLCANO, a major source of toxic gas generation, way more than any jet can produce (Tungurahua volcano Ecuador is producing 1500 TONS of SO2 gas which creates sulfuric acid for instance per day):


http://www.midac.com/images/FieldPhoto/142_4298.jpg

What this instrumentation is is scientific undeniable documentation technology. It shows REMOTELY what it is pointed at, what is present where it is looking. It shows the chemical species, the concentrations. In other words, no one can hide what they are emitting.

Such a device pointed UPWARDS into contrails will show the content. But we can for now simply use the emissive amount from fuel burning to compute actual volumetric emission that is possible in a contrail, and compare it against ground based sources which are more highly likely to be the actual pollution sources, since ground based monitors is what have been used to document "air quality".

However, whenever this technology is mentioned for actually documenting pollution sources, very shortly, there are derailing attempts.

Sheme asked about chemtrails, what are they really, and some solutions, mentioning aluminum (as you know, many conspiracy websites say "they are spraying aluminum").

I pointed out the obvious, that there are very strong and copious sources of emissions - testing monitoring stations are for ground based testing, which many of those local air testing values point out that at-the-ground levels of pollution, are showing aluminum, and other toxic substances.

The question then is can a "chemtrail" formed at altitudes above 30,000 feet to 41,000 feet fall down to the ground in sufficient quantities after intense dilution. The nanoparticle stay aloft. This has been pointed out in this thread.

It doesn't seem likely that something up in such altitudes 30,000 feet that is not rain, but an aerosol, meaning a finely divided charged floating particle, is going to make it to the ground easily and in any timely manner.

What though IS already on the ground, which can act up and get folks reactive? Ground air pollutions, exacerbated by ultraviolet stimulation, or other photo-stimulation creating noxious byproducts.. (photo-smog for instance).

In fact nanoparticles remain aloft until they combine with water or dust, nucleate, grow larger and cease to be a chemically active problem.

What does happen with particles aloft is that LIGHT quality is changed with hydrocarbon, and/or aluminum "up there" (which would remain aloft cause of the small size). One can only assume that there is aluminum up there based on reading conspiracy websites, but not reading scientific upper air sampling websites.

I have a theory that specific combinations of wavelengths of light can be used to trigger the absorbed nano-particles which came from GROUND based emissions. The ground based emissions would have been the aluminum sources, the carbon sources of nanoparticles...and they are massive. The earlier OP in this thread talks about how a nanoparticle antenna can be created to specifically respond to light wavelengths. I would believe a specific nanoparticle could be created that would be specifically triggerable from OPTICAL nanoparticles. It though would be a pretty haphazard maneuver though to predict when the right time would be to fly jets at altitude to create an optical trigger to affect people on the ground who have absorbed nano-particle antenna molecules in them.. There would be better methods such as a flu epidemic (viral particle release) which would be predictable. And readily deployable with precision. Flying with the variables up there is simply not a reliable method.

It is easier to add a couple gallons of metals/toxins at a gasoline depot and have such emitted en-masse at ground level when the fuel is burned, than it would be to try to get many thousands of gallons of metals up in the 30,000 and higher foot range altitude to spray something which won't fall to the earth fast enough in sufficient quantities to account for the amount of metal showing up in air monitoring stations.

We are going to work out the numbers:

But a coal fired power plant puts out ( see http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/01/09/3139921/epa-carbon-rule-power-plants/ ) 1100 pounds per megawatt hour of carbon nanoparticles. A typical coal fired power plant of average size is 500 megawatts per hour.

That then for ONE average sized coal fired power plant is 550,000 pounds of carbon nanoparticles, every hour or 275 tons per hour. For a day that amount comes to 6600 tons of carbon nanoparticles every day. In that coal, there is aluminum, and all the other toxins mentioned in an earlier post.

Comparison wise, a single 747 jet will burn 96 tons of fuel during an 8 hour transatlantic flight for instance. Of that burning Jet fuel (which is pure devoid of the other elements present in coal), the carbon nanoparticle output is based on this formula: 1 ton of burnt jet fuel emits 3.15 tons of gaseous carbon (http://www.greenaironline.com/news.php?viewStory=217) bound to oxygen. The jet will burn an average of between 20,000 and 30,000 pounds (10-15 tons) of fuel per hour during an average flight. Assuming an average 12 tons per hour, for an 8 hour flight, the total carbon output is 96 x 3.15 or 302.4 tons. The carbon nanoparticle output per hour for that jet becomes 38.8 tons per hour.

Comparison, JET 38.8 tons per hour nanoparticle creation, Coal fired power plant 275 tons per hour nanoparticle creation. Which is worse? The jet lands in 8 hours, the power pant runs 24/7 continually. 7 Jets would have to be flying continuously over ONE spot of land to emit the same amount of nanoparticle amounts as ONE stationary ground based power plant. The reality is, the jet is moving. And it is moving fast. Let's look up at the sky from horizon to horizon and take a look at how much distance is there linearly that we can see a contrail in.

Considering that the jet now is moving let's say 565 miles per hour, what portion of that nanoparticle is present per hour to come up with a dispersion rate? The jet takes 10 minutes to travel from left to right let's say in our field of view. That's like 9.4 miles per minute. So what are we seeing then "up there" in nanoparticles? How much? Computing, 38.8 tons per hour, divided by 60 minutes exposure time, to get an deposition rate of .646 tons per minute. Multiply that times 9.4 minutes, and we have a total "up there" deposition of about 6 tons in that visible contrail.

Remember an average 500 mgawatt coal fired power plant is putting out 275 tons per hour at ground level, and that is easy to mix with ground air couple hundred feet up. Jets are flying 30,000 feet up and above, not an easy mix to ground level air.

So to actually create a density equivalent, comparing a bunch of jets to ONE coal fired power plant, we would need 275/6 or 45 jets per hour above us all creating contrails. Doesn't happen does it? Then there is the problem of trying to get something 35,000 feet up somehow down to the immediate earth below it. The particles float, they don't immediately sink. Big problem with "the contrail logic of pollution".

Let's add in the next obvious pollution source - auto engines (this is an extremely conservative example at that)

Running this on a car, for a 4.7 litre engine size idling, like stuck in a traffic jam, about .6 gallons per hour will be consumed. How many pounds of carbon nanoparticles is that? 19.64 (per gallon of gasoline) multiplied by .6 or 11.784 pounds per hour per car emitted, idling stuck in traffic. How many cars in a traffic jam?

see: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/carmageddon-64-mile-la-traffic-jam/ - Carmageddon, 64 MILE long traffic jam.. (oye).. 50,000 cars average assuming 6 lanes stuck for one hour.. ONE ROAD, the 405.. that's 589,200 pounds of carbon nanoparticles emitted, or 294.6 tons of those particles in the air.

AT GROUND LEVEL at that per hour in a stationary location.. 294.6 from automobiles ! That is just a little above the amount of a single coal fired power plant produces per hour every hour for 24/7.

AND can we ignore that there are 2782 Coal fired power plants emitting toxic nanoparticle pollution continually, not just for ONE HOUR during rush hour like autos do?

Gee, One would need 49 planes per hour making continual contrails to equal one hour of rush hour traffic. From vehicles stuck idling in traffic for an hour... oye.

One major road, in LA, stuck in traffic, 294.6 tons, at ground level; not up at 35,000 feet up where a small 6 ton visible contrail would be formed from a major transcontinental jet.. One would need 49 planes per hour making continual contrails to equal one hour of rush hour traffic. Rush hour goes on for more than one hour usually.. How can we forget that?

And the point is like in LA, or UK, there are way more than just ONE ROAD too, that gets traffic jammed during the day. Multiply the above figures by 10 or so to be more realistic with traffic issues. Realistically one could expect close to 3000 tons per hour for a major city during stuck rush hour traffic (that would be close to 500 planes flying overhead in an hour !)

Let's add in the emission from UK, from China, from India and the world is innundated by such nanoparticle pollution. When conditions are right, when water vapor levels are right, nucleation is going to happen and particles become larger and visible (then they get noticed). But they are at the deadly stage long before being visibly noticed ! That was pointed out previously in earlier posts in this thread.

What's wrong with the contrail/chemtrail conspiracy? Other than they never worked out the actual math, nor understood the mechanism that keeps particles UP in the air at altitude, nor studied or understood how nucleation works.

BUT chemtrail conspiracy gives one something to blame, and it gives one something to point fingers at, and of course, for the actual perpetrators, the hydrocarbon burning purveyors, it lets the real pollution generators hide in plain sight! And people continue to let that happen, is that ODD or what?

A lot (of) the blame seems to not be grounded (literally) in understanding emission amounts and aerosol distribution concepts (dilution issues are ignored by the conspiracy buffs).

The point is very clear, we are being DISTRACTED looking up at water vapor aggregation binding nanoparticles from planes, when there is an immediate need at ground level to deal with that pollution and toxin issue. The numbers above show why. It is simple really.

How many coal fired power plants around the world? (statistically averaged based on coal/tons per gigawatts produced) - 2782 plants.

Times 275 tons per hour or 765,050 tons per hour for the world's coal fired power plant nanoparticle production. That is insane. Such happens 24/7

US - 589
China - 1028
India - 224
Japan - 82
Germany - 85
South Africa - 76
Korea - 70
Australia - 54
Russia - 51
Poland - 44
All other - 418

How many trans-Atlantic flights per day? (and they don't fly all week, just a couple times per week is the average) but, let's say there are 350 each 8 hour long flights worldwide.. And let's assume every one of them is "spraying", how much possible tonnage of nanoparticle is coming out of their engines? Refreshing our memory, 302.4 tons of nanoparticles for the 8 hour flight.

Times 350 flights, the total airborne emission for a day's flights comes to only 105,840 tons for aircraft transoceanic flights or transcontinental flights of 8 hours.

Compare now 8 hours of the world's coal fired power plants emissions: that is 765,050 tons per hour times 8 hours, or 6,120,400 TONS from the coal fired power plants for the equivalent amount of time that jets could possibly do.

The logic says the power plants put out about 57 times MORE nanoparticle pollution, including lead, cadmium, uranium, thorium, carbon, aluminum.. than all the transatlantic flights per day.

To say the small amounts from jet travel is doing ANYTHING of any significance compared to ground based nanopollution sources does not hold any merit in my simple opinion looking at the numbers.

To say that one is seeing "severe spraying" and that is affecting someone from the pollutants present in the jet contrails, immediately "falling to earth", one is not grounded in the data of aerosol dispersion. http://intellectualventureslab.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Stratoshield-white-paper-300dpi.pdf When the volcano Mt. Pinatubo in 1991 it spewed ash into the atmosphere (nano-particle sized) where the jets fly at altitude. 2 years later the particle were still circulating, not having reached ground.

If one is feeling something, take a look at ground based sources... Don't be distracted by the visible contrails, and look at the poisons coming from the ground based sources. It can't be any clearer explaining. I will do up an article about ALUMINUM in the environment since folks seem to be saying aluminum is coming from fuel burning (spraying from jets). Let's find out really where the aluminum is coming from.

Summarizing:


One hour of rush hour traffic in a major city like LA, during a traffic jam, can cause more nanoparticle pollution than 500 jets can flying overhead. Put that into perspective when you say, "they are spraying" and you feel it immediately..

Coal fired Power plants put out about 57 times MORE nanoparticle pollution, including lead, cadmium, uranium, thorium, carbon, aluminum.. than all the transatlantic flights per day.

Aerosol particles in the upper atmosphere, above 30,000 feet (where the contrails can form) remain aloft for 2 years or more before falling. It is impossible to get such aerosols from anything called "spraying" to immediately reach the ground to create any effects.

If metallic aerosols (or other modificants) are distributed for "climate control" or warfare or other hostile use, it needs to be mentioned that high altitude release (>30,000 feet where contrails would form) of the aerosols that such would remain aloft and not fall to the ground immediately - (that would be the logic of performing high altitude seeding for climate control for instance).

There is international legislation prohibiting the attempts of any such use. (http://web.archive.org/web/20070914081350/http://www.state.gov/t/ac/trt/4783.htm) The use of remote sensing FTIR optical open path spectrometers would be a verification method to show treaty violation. No such violations have been noted since the treaty was signed by major nations worldwide, including the US who signed in 1977. International monitoring is in effect to ensure compliance.

[Sidney]

According to Clifford Carnicoms research and also many independent researchers who have taken literally hundreds of air soil and water samples suggests that the huge toxic amounts of Aluminum that is present in the soil air and water is indeed fallout from these chemtrail programs, as the barium (the other main component in the geoengineering formula) amounts are also sky high.

There are many many researchers that are doing these tests through various laboratories, during and after a spray assault. And the conclusion is that what goes up, does indeed come down. I have witnessed this myself on heavy spray days, of the morning after a night of spraying there lingers a blue haze everywhere, as if there were a forest fire, without the fire. This blue haze is the spray that does indeed come down. If there were no chance of it falling out of the sky, then they would not have to keep spraying year after year after year. Simple gravity.

And really, without having to argue where it is coming from, it doesn't matter where it comes from really, but the fact remains lots of people suffering symptoms of heavy metal issues and the planet is in trouble.

[Bob]

According to Clifford Carnicoms research and also many independent researchers who have taken literally hundreds of air soil and water samples suggests that the huge toxic amounts of Aluminum that is present in the soil air and water is indeed fallout from these chemtrail programs, as the barium (the other main component in the geoengineering formula) amounts are also sky high.

There are many many researchers that are doing these tests through various laboratories, during and after a spray assault. And the conclusion is that what goes up, does indeed come down. I have witnessed this myself on heavy spray days, of the morning after a night of spraying there lingers a blue haze everywhere, as if there were a forest fire, without the fire. This blue haze is the spray that does indeed come down. If there were no chance of it falling out of the sky, then they would not have to keep spraying year after year after year. Simple gravity.

And really, without having to argue where it is coming from, it doesn't matter where it comes from really, but the fact remains lots of people suffering symptoms of heavy metal issues and the planet is in trouble.

ROFL.. seriously. The heavy metals are not from contrails, that was the point. The metals are from the ground based pollution sources. IT IS important when some tries to distract one saying its coming from the JETS in chemtrails (really contrails), and that DIS-information IS a dis-service, again no doubt the conspiracy lies in the distraction from internal combustion engine hydrocarbon burning, no different when LEAD was added to FUEL. Lead is a heavy metal, and was emitted into the atmosphere when gasoline contained lead. People are toxic from mercury being emitted, no question, from the lead emitted previously, and from the continued emissions from Coal Fired Power plants.

It makes perfect sense to point out where it is coming from so solutions can be derived. Not from pointing to the skies where a mathematical impossibility exists. Be logical makes the most sense.

Deal with the ground based pollution sources. We need to address that - this whole thread points out the nano-particle dangers, and their sources.

The solutions deal with nano-scavengers, something to combine with the particles to create more affinity than DNA for instance, or water for instance. It's a dangerous issue and it is getting worse. Distracting people pointing them to water vapor contrails which simply do not contain sufficient nanoparticles and claiming that they would immediately fall to the ground and cause a toxic reaction is not fair in my opinion. Such is disinformation and bad science.

[Bob]

According to Clifford Carnicoms research and also many independent researchers who have taken literally hundreds of air soil and water samples suggests that the huge toxic amounts of Aluminum that is present in the soil air and water is indeed fallout from these chemtrail programs, as the barium (the other main component in the geoengineering formula) amounts are also sky high.

[..]

I want to point out ALUMINUM is present in the soil naturally, and from studies actually done by real scientists, http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/phs/phs.asp?id=1076&tid=34, some quotes:

"When a substance is released either from a large area, such as an industrial plant, or from a container, such as a drum or bottle, it enters the environment. Such a release does not always lead to exposure. You can be exposed to a substance only when you come in contact with it. You may be exposed by breathing, eating, or drinking the substance, or by skin contact. However, it should be noted that aluminum is a very abundant and widely distributed element and will be found in most rocks, soils, waters, air, and foods. You will always have some exposure to low levels of aluminum from eating food, drinking water, and breathing air.

If you are exposed to aluminum, many factors will determine whether you will be harmed. These factors include the dose (how much), the duration (how long), and how you come in contact with it. You must also consider any other chemicals you are exposed to and your age, sex, diet, family traits, lifestyle, and state of health.

Aluminum is the most abundant metal in the earth's crust and it is widely distributed.

Aluminum is a very reactive element and is never found as the free metal in nature. It is found combined with other elements, most commonly with oxygen, silicon, and fluorine. These chemical compounds are commonly found in soil, minerals (e.g., sapphires, rubies, turquoise), rocks (especially igneous rocks), and clays.

Aluminum as the metal is obtained from aluminum-containing minerals, primarily bauxite. Aluminum is refined in CANADA and other major producers.

Aluminum metal is light in weight and silvery-white in appearance.

Uses

Aluminum metal
Aluminum is used to make beverage cans, pots and pans, airplanes, siding and roofing, and foil.

Powdered aluminum metal is often used in explosives and fireworks.

Aluminum compounds
Aluminum compounds are used in many diverse and important industrial applications such as alums (aluminum sulfate) in water-treatment and alumina in abrasives and furnace linings.
Consumer products
Aluminum is found in consumer products including:

antacids
astringents
buffered aspirin
food additives
antiperspirants
cosmetics

Aluminum occurs naturally in soil, water, and air.

High levels in the environment can be caused by the mining and processing of aluminum ores or the production of aluminum metal, alloys, and compounds.

Aluminum is released into the environment from coal-fired power plants and incinerators. Incinerators burn WASTES, garbage, aluminum CANS dumped and not separated from garbage is another source of atmospheric free-floating aluminum. Increases in industrialization, increases in incineration are contributing causes to ALUMINUM pollution in the environment.

Aluminum compounds may be added during processing of foods, such as:

flour
baking powder
coloring agents
anticaking agents
An average adult in the United States eats about 7–9 mg of aluminum per day in their food (from additives)

People are exposed to aluminum in some cosmetics, antiperspirants, and pharmaceuticals such as antacids and buffered aspirin.

Antacids have 300–600 mg aluminum hydroxide (approximately 104–208 mg of aluminum) per tablet, capsule, or 5 milliliter (mL) liquid dose. Little of this form of aluminum is taken up into the bloodstream.
Buffered aspirin may contain 10–20 mg of aluminum per tablet
Vaccines may contain small amounts of aluminum compounds, no greater than 0.85 mg/dose.

Most people take in very little aluminum from breathing. Levels of aluminum in the air generally range from 0.005 to 0.18 micrograms per cubic meter (ìg/m3), depending on location, weather conditions, and type and level of industrial activity in the area. Most of the aluminum in the air is in the form of small suspended particles of soil (dust).

Aluminum levels in urban and industrial areas may be higher and can range from 0.4 to 8.0 ìg/m3.

The concentration of aluminum in natural waters (e.g., ponds, lakes, streams) is generally below 0.1 milligrams per liter (mg/L).

People generally consume little aluminum from drinking water. Water is sometimes treated with aluminum salts while it is processed to become drinking water. But even then, aluminum levels generally do not exceed 0.1 mg/L. Several cities have reported concentrations as high as 0.4–1 mg/L of aluminum in their drinking water.

You cannot avoid exposure to aluminum because it is so common and widespread in the environment.

Exposure to the levels of aluminum that are naturally present in food and water and the forms of aluminum that are present in dirt and aluminum pots and pans are not considered to be harmful.

Eating large amounts of processed food containing aluminum additives or frequently cooking acidic foods in aluminum pots may expose a person to higher levels of aluminum than a person who generally consumes unprocessed foods and uses pots made of other materials (e.g., stainless steel or glass). However, aluminum levels found in processed foods and foods cooked in aluminum pots are generally considered to be safe.

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That's where the aluminum comes from. What concerns me is the aluminum nano-particles emitted from cement plants, from coal fired power plants, from incinerator waste burning that contains aluminum foils, or cans, or aluminum containing waste products..

Aluminum is deliberately put into water supplies for phosphorous control, and other wastewater treatments.. where it finds its way back into the environment.. http://www.generalchemical.com/assets/pdf/Phosphorus_Control_in_Water_and_Wastewater.pdf - "Aluminum sulfate is commonly applied to lakes and reservoirs to precipitate out the soluble phosphorus, which will eventually settle to the lake bottom.

One can't escape aluminum pollution from sources OTHER than the claims that such is deliberately "sprayed" from jets to harm people. It's sprayed all right, but from deliberate water treatment applications. It's everywhere in waste products dumped and burned, like from foods.

[Carmody]

Yep, it is all that ..and the 'bioavailability' of the given aluminum particle, what form it is in, when the human body encounters it.

[Carmody]

Researchers use DNA strands to create nanobot computer inside living animal (http://phys.org/news/2014-04-dna-strands-nanobot-animal.html)

[Bob]

Researchers use DNA strands to create nanobot computer inside living animal (http://phys.org/news/2014-04-dna-strands-nanobot-animal.html)

Fantastic article, good find ! thank you.

"[..] the researchers describe how they created several nanobot structures using strands of DNA, injected them into a living cockroach, then watched as they worked together as a computer to target one of the insects cells.

[Bob]

More aluminum nanoparticle pollution sources:

ref: http://www.aluminiumleader.com/en/serious/industry/ - all u wanted to know about the aluminum industry that they want to tell you about.. Aluminium has been used for for just over 150 years and has been put into the environment in ever increasing amounts by the refining process, by incineration of wastes, by coal burning.. and numerous other sources.

"Resources of bauxites, the raw material for aluminium, are not widespread throughout the world. There are only seven bauxite-rich areas: Western and Central Africa (mostly, Guinea), South America (Brazil, Venezuela, Suriname), the Caribbean (Jamaica), Oceania and Southern Asia (Australia, India), China, the Mediterranean (Greece, Turkey) and the Urals (Russia). The main deposits of high-quality bauxites with high aluminium content (not less than 50%), are already divided by the main players."


http://www.aluminiumleader.com/images/content/serious/industry/map_en.jpg

"Аlcan is the Canadian aluminium manufacturer, which is over 100 years old. Today, the company is one of the leaders in the world’s aluminium industry, producing bauxites, alumina and aluminium. It is one of the three largest manufacturers of structural and packaging materials. Its production volume for primary aluminium in 2006 was 3.4 mln m.t. The company has 68,000 employees, including joint ventures. Alcan operates in 61 countries."

"Chalco or Aluminium Corporation of China Limited is the largest manufacturer of aluminium and the only manufacturer of alumina in China. The company was founded in 2001 during the privatization of Chinese aluminium industry. In 2006 Chalco has produced 9.2 mln m.t. of alumina and 1.6 mln. m.t. of aluminium. All the assets of the company — 4 plants, manufacturing both alumina and aluminium, one purely aluminium and two purely alumina plants, plus, an R&D Institute — are located in China. Chalco does not have representation in Russia."

There is a list of refineries and refractories (those places making high temperature heat resistant bricks and fireproofing materials) shown here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_alumina_refineries

they say the map can be located by using this link:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://toolserver.org/~para/cgi-bin/kmlexport%3Farticle%3DList_of_alumina_refineries%26usecache%3D1

See where you are located with respect to the ALUMINUM refineries (where they crush the rock then melt it evaporating large quantities into the atmosphere).

Here is one of the bauxite mines in Canada (open pit mining operation):

O8Hps_YMFCs

[Bob]

Controlling the brain with flashes of light - http://www.nih.gov/news/health/apr2014/nimh-24.htm

"Scientists have bioengineered, in neurons cultured from rats, an enhancement to a cutting edge technology that provides instant control over brain circuit activity with a flash of light. The research funded by the National Institutes of Health adds the same level of control over turning neurons off that, until now, had been limited to turning them on."

Thomas R. Insel, M.D., director of the US National Institute of Mental Health, a funder of the study said, “It creates a powerful tool that allows neuroscientists to apply a brake in any specific circuit with millisecond precision, beyond the power of any existing technology.

"This will be vital for understanding brain circuits involved in behavior, thinking, and emotion.”

A flashing light pattern on a computer screen implanted in YouTube video? Why not? NIMH would be very interested in ways to get control, precisely, wirelessly and use one of the great new media tools, the internet and watching videos. (I have repeatedly said, the trend is to say well "i don't watch MSM, TV all that..." while those same people are ignoring that youtube videos have way less control as to what content is inside of them than any MSM would.)

Deisseroth’s team had pioneered the use of light pulses to control brain circuitry in animals genetically engineered to be light-responsive — optogenetics.

How this is done to create the modified DNA in the Neuron:

Chemicals are extracted from photo-algae, and melded with genes that make fluorescent marker proteins, then they are fused to a deactivated virus. That virus then is trans-infected to the host cell(s) that delivers them to specific types of neurons which they become part of — allowing pulses of light to similarly commandeer brain cells. (see my threads on GMO's, GMO Corn)

Stanford bioengineers and their colleagues recently discovered the crystal structure of channel-rhodopsin, the protein borrowed from algae to achieve optogenetic control of neurons and that is fused to the virus transfector agent.

ref: http://www.nih.gov/news/health/apr2014/nimh-24.htm


http://media.tumblr.com/8a31a11cd91f266989ccae90c49a90ea/tumblr_inline_mqzrnuBPL61qz4rgp.jpg

from "The Game" Star Trek

This same technique has been adapted to control MUSCLE cells - http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/04/140404140303.htm
"The light-responsive motor neurons that made the technique possible were created from stem cells by Dr Ivo Lieberam of the MRC Centre for Developmental Neurobiology, King's College London.

"We custom-tailored embryonic stem cells so that motor neurons derived from them can function as part of the muscle pacemaker device." says Dr Lieberam, who co-led the study. "First, we equipped the cells with a molecular light sensor. This enables us to control motor neurons with blue light flashes. We then built a survival gene into them, which helps the stem-cell motor neurons to stay alive when they are transplanted inside the injured nerve and allows them to grow to connect to muscle."

[Limor Wolf]

Researchers use DNA strands to create nanobot computer inside living animal (http://phys.org/news/2014-04-dna-strands-nanobot-animal.html)

Adjectives can be unnecessary most of the time, but I feel that this one here is needed:

Horrific

[Bob]

Researchers use DNA strands to create nanobot computer inside living animal (http://phys.org/news/2014-04-dna-strands-nanobot-animal.html)

Adjectives can be unnecessary most of the time, but I feel that this one here is needed:

Horrific

It may not be strange that they chose a cockroach to do this to, as that brain has been mapped out very well.

Praying Mantis' are in the same general insectavoria as cockroaches and termites. Order of Blattodea.

With the discussion of Mantis "ET's" in other threads, maybe the "alien" idea of brain control could be part of what the "insect" mind would naturally and easily do to anything it encounters. If Mantids are like Praying Mantids, the order of Blattodea have the indiscriminate characteristic of eating everything they can get their mandibles and spiked forlegs into.

In Men in Black towards the end of the movie, Agent K (Tommy Lee Jones) calls the "Bug" an overgrown Cockroach. It resembles one of the Mantids, and it is not kind, not interested in humanity, in fact, it says before it reveals itself, that it want's a human snack while it is traveling back home..

Maybe that mindset of doing nanobot brain control (using insect brains for now), is all part of a mindset that is not what one would call the normal human view of compassionate evolution.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/Large_brown_mantid_close_up_nohair.jpg/640px-Large_brown_mantid_close_up_nohair.jpg

Friendly face, maybe not so much... oye..

[Atlas]

[...] Maybe that mindset of doing nanobot brain control (using insect brains for now), is all part of a mindset that is not what one would call the normal human view of compassionate evolution.

Interesting question. Concerning the Mantis ETs, here is one of the latest version:



Ender's Game white mantis:
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http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll256/PaldenLhamo/ScreenShot2014-02-03at102410_zps65d90e5d.png (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/PaldenLhamo/media/ScreenShot2014-02-03at102410_zps65d90e5d.png.html)

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll256/PaldenLhamo/ScreenShot2014-02-03at102439_zps4e867ca6.png (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/PaldenLhamo/media/ScreenShot2014-02-03at102439_zps4e867ca6.png.html)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1731141/

http://watch32.com/movies-online/enders-game-305434/full.html

[Bob]

One would think Buares, with images like that going around, stuff that horrors are made of, no wonder brain scientists are enjoying trying to make controllable cockroaches. "I don't suppose you know what kind of alien life-form ( turns to agent J ) leaves a green spectral trail and craves sugar water? Zed, we have a bug. "

One would think that movie maybe was offering some hints.. :)

[Bob]

More brain control using light


https://neuroscience.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/styles/thumbnail/public/karl_deisseroth_-_light_control.jpg?itok=7-eVZLEA
In San Diego currently brain researchers are meeting and are ga-ga over new techniques to control the brain using light.

SAN DIEGO – Karl Deisseroth is having a very early breakfast before the day gets going at the annual meeting of the Society for Neuroscience.

Thirty thousand people who study the brain are at the Convention Center, a small city’s worth of badge-wearing, networking, lecture-attending scientists.

ref: http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/health/256438321.html

For Deisseroth, though, this crowd is a bit like the gang at Cheers — everybody knows his name. He is a Stanford psychiatrist and a neuroscientist, and one of the people most responsible for the development of optogenetics, a technique that allows researchers to turn brain cells on and off with a combination of genetic manipulation and pulses of light.

Cast of Champions

Cori Bargmann of Rockefeller University, who is a leader of a committee at the National Institutes of Health setting priorities for its piece of the brain initiative, said optogenetics is a great example of how technology can foster scientific progress.

“Optogenetics is the most revolutionary thing that has happened in neuroscience in the past couple of decades,” she said. “It is one of the advances that made it seem this is the right time to do a brain initiative.”

At the heart of all optogenetics are proteins called opsins. They are found in human eyes, in microbes and other organisms. When light shines on an opsin, it absorbs a photon and changes.

Deisseroth, 42, who has won numerous prizes and received plenty of news media attention for his work on optogenetics, is quick to point out that there is no sole inventor for this technology.

“It’s not as if one person had a eureka moment,” he said. “The time had come, and it was a question of who had put the resources and effort and people” on the task, and who would get there first.

We can thank Rockefeller University, and the National Institutes of Health to have a new way to program, modify, alter and map the brain.

What does having an OFF switch for the brain mean?

Think about it. A cop can eventually flash a light sequence at your eyes, and instantly you go paralytic. Can't move, drop to the ground frozen. That's the security use not talked about but is the reason funding comes from government sources for this type of research.

Of course the neuroscientists will talk about how well this new technique will let them study epilepsy or some sort of brain issue.. While the funding comes in for dark uses of the technology.

ED NOTE:

See in my DARPA thread, http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62807-DARPA-uses-Transcranial-Stimulation-for-Mind-Modification-Are-you-thinking-correctly&p=840563#post840563 the posts talking about CURRENT UCLA San Diego articles being published on RAT neural triggering, memory erasure, and re-activation of FEAR memories.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Bobd, I accused Blizzard of doing this thru blue light once, lol, maybe i was crazy to accuse them directly, but certainly their investors know of the tech...

i wrote a hate letter to blizz before the rash of mass murders involving their game happened, that their game would be likened to a drug,
that it was destroying the pineal and visual brain, hijacking the soul of humanity lol

poor Blizz

:(

/Tesla shakes head lol

p.s. but being on facebook too long and playing wow does cause insomnia because of blu light....

also turn off the blue on avalon at night haha.

:)

[Bob]

I think Tesla, the photo-dye added to a DNA nano-engine infective" "keyed to specific light frequencies and the order of such would have to be the method to get the "engine" in there into the nervous system - they would have to know where to splice in the tags. Else what they would have is simply a generic ON-OFF switch.. Still though, acting like those goats who faint, sure is not an acceptable future.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I think Tesla, the photo-dye added to a DNA nano-engine infective" "keyed to specific light frequencies and the order of such would have to be the method to get the "engine" in there into the nervous system - they would have to know where to splice in the tags. Else what they would have is simply a generic ON-OFF switch.. Still though, acting like those goats who faint, sure is not an acceptable future.

http://www.families.com/wp-content/uploads/media/Like%20a%20Moth%20to%20a%20Flame.jpg

Indeed... although surveillance + stimulation together are a very dynamic tool indeed.
Knowing when to trip someone out is as important as how...

*tickle*

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-w5_oJ13thwY/UL5mscJEztI/AAAAAAAAG18/Zg3i3ae4Pac/s640/The+Lawnmower+Man+one-sheet.jpg

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121026084356.htm


Optogenetics allows scientists to control certain cells in the brain using light, leaving other cells unaffected. In order to do this, the relevant cells are equipped with genes for a special light-sensitive protein. The protein makes the cells react when they are illuminated with light from a thin optic fibre which is also implanted in the brain. The cells can then be "switched on" when they are illuminated.

"If we get signals as a response to light from the host brain, we know that they come from the transplanted cells since they are the only ones to carry the light-sensitive protein. This gives us a much more specific way of studying the brain's reactions than inserting an electrode, which is the current method. With an electrode, we do not know whether the electric signals that are detected come from "new" or "old" brain cells," explains Merab Kokaia.


http://discovermagazine.com/2012/sep/25-controlling-brains-with-flick-of-light-switch


Deisseroth’s technique, known broadly as optogenetics, could bring new hope to his most desperate patients. In a series of provocative experiments, he has already cured the symptoms of psychiatric disease in mice. Optogenetics also shows promise for defeating drug addiction. When Deisseroth exposed a set of test mice to cocaine and then flipped a switch, pulsing bright yellow light into their brains, the expected rush of euphoria—the prelude to addiction—was instantly blocked. Almost miraculously, they were immune to the cocaine high; the mice left the drug den as uninterested as if they had never been exposed.

For all its complexity, the brain in some ways is a surprisingly simple device. Neurons switch off and on, causing signals to stop or go. Using optogenetics, Deisseroth can do that switching himself. He inserts light-sensitive proteins into brain cells. Those proteins let him turn a set of cells on or off just by shining the right kind of laser beam at the cells. 
That in turn makes it possible to highlight the exact neural pathways involved in the various forms of psychiatric disease. A disruption of one particular pathway, for instance, might cause anxiety. To test the possibility, Deisseroth engineers an animal with light-sensitive proteins in the brain cells lying along the suspected pathway. Then he illuminates those cells with a laser. If the animal begins cowering in a corner, he knows he is in the right place. And as Deisseroth and his colleagues illuminate more neural pathways, other researchers will be able to design increasingly targeted drugs and minimally invasive brain implants to treat psychiatric disease.

Optogenetics originally emerged from Bio-X, a multidisciplinary project spearheaded in part by Stephen Chu, then a Stanford physicist and now the U.S. Secretary of Energy. Bio-X takes some of Stanford’s best engineers, computer scientists, physicists, chemists, and clinicians and throws them together in the Clark Center, where an open, glass-clad structure makes communication unavoidable. Deisseroth, whose beat-up jeans and T-shirt practically define the universal academic wardrobe, proved a natural at working across disciplines. Over the past decade, his omnivorous quest has filtered far beyond Bio-X into a thousand institutions around the world.

Although his Bio-X work involves esoteric genetics and animal experiments, Deisseroth has never forgotten the human needs that motivated him in the first place. He still divides his time between his basement lab and the psychiatry patients who desperately need his research to pay off.

:evil::alien::wacko:

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[vilcabamba]

We are already all exposed to nanotechnology. They are using diamond nanotechnology now ..really we are breathing in diamonds now.
I'm told it's for urban warfare. I guess the old graphite nanotechnology they used for years isn't good enough enough anymore. I guess
we were breaking them apart too easily with stabilized oxygen pills and essential oils. I guess they needed something harder.

[vilcabamba]

I am not liking this nano tech one bit! Is there a way to cleanse ones self of this foreign nano sh..?

yes, Dr. Hildegarde STaninger in los angeles helped me. She saved my life.

[Bob]

Nano technology can kill if left untreated or sufficient doses are absorbed..

A scientist reports that she really harmed himself exploring nano-particles

"Poisoned nanotech scientist’s case exposes unknown dangers of new particles" is how the article starts

"A report published this week in the American Journal of Industrial Medicine (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajim.22344/abstract) told of a Harvard University study examining the little-known field of nanotoxicology, the potentially poisonous properties of these futuristic substances.

"The report told of a 26-year-old chemist who used nickel nanoparticle powder at a work bench with no safety procedures in place such as a breathing mask or ventilation hood. Over time she began having throat irritation, facial flushing and nasal congestion. Her skin began to react to the nickel posts of her earrings and a belt buckle that touched her stomach.

"Medical tests showed that the scientist had developed an allergy to nickel. In time, she became unable to return to work due to her recurrent symptoms."

What is significant here, besides understanding this stuff is serious, is that hypersensitivity reactions that people have can be coming from nano-particles. Taking vitamin D simply doesnt clear it out of your system..

This has been experimentally duplicated in rats and mice. It is not theory.

"“That is what makes this case is so important,” the report said. “It provides documented confirmation of a human handling nanoparticles in the workplace and developing health effects, specifically allergic sensitization, breathing problems, and rash. The concern among toxicologists is that these particles may cause unknown effects at even tiny doses and therefore lead to longer term health problems like cancer.”

"Nanoparticles are being used in virtually every sector of the manufacturing and tech industries. "

the video from the article:


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Industrial-scientist-at-work-via-Shutterstock.com_-615x345.jpg

<iframe src="http://videos.rawstory.com/video/What-is-Nanotechnology.-This-Vid/player?layout=&amp;read_more=1" width="416" height="321" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"></iframe>

the link to the page:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/13/poisoned-nanotech-scientists-case-exposes-unknown-dangers-of-new-particles/

[Bob]

NanoPayloads will evade the immune system and transfer their cargo into the body's cells or nerves.

see the video here: http://vimeo.com/91950046

"The potential for DNA-based nanotechnology is immense, and in medicine it can have a revolutionary impact. (a very dangerous impact, see the previous post)

"Yet, getting DNA nanodevices to escape the scrutiny of the immune system is a challenge for practical application of the technology in clinical practice.

"Researchers at Harvard’s Wyss Institute developed a nanoparticle that mimics a virus, which the immune system ignores, while carrying a DNA payload inside.

"They essentially replicated the external casing that a real virus uses to protect its own genome.

"They put a layer of phospholipid around their DNA nanodevices, which were initially folded into octahedrons. (this was discussed earlier in this thread, btw too)

"The phospholipids were attached to the DNA by adding spots to the genetic material where the lipids could grab on.

"This then created a foundation for forming a complete bilayer membrane around the DNA payload, which resulted in particles that successfully evade the immune system."

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

you're a brave man Bob!

i am scared to read this thread. but should.

(laptop been shocking me a lot, making noises when touched lol)

dragging feet on carpet too much or am i "part of the system"?

[stewartliam]

Hi Bobd , Congrats on being awake , although it is not fun ! I

[stewartliam]

Hi Bobd ,Congrats on being fully awake !I am slowly dying from nano exposure , it does kill you as the nanos self replicate and integrate thru your body . They build arrays which send out signals. to satelites. Theses in turn send back signals to the nanos which act as receivers.This causes them to self replicate at a rapid pace , causing oxygen and tisuue starvation. The by products of the nanos are what killls you as it produces silicone and arsenic as well as a toxic level of silver , which damages all organs . The electeical system of your heart is affected as well . It is a soft kill .It is piezo electric so it gets its energy form what you eqt as well as movement .It is torturous in nature as it is connected to your hearing which makes the tinnitus unbearable ! A way THAT I maintain is thru infar Red sauna .This just keeps me alive , as it will not detox as They have hooks in the nanos which attatch to the the tissues! tHEY ARE ELECTROMAGNETIC IN NATURE . tHEY ARE FUNGAL , VIRAL , BACTERIAL AND PARASYTIC! i GROW PODLIKE STUCTURES IN MY STOMACHE WHICH ARE THE CASSETTES FOR THE NANAOS . tHEN THEN ATTACH THEMSELVES TO YOUR CENTRAL NERVOUS SYTEM . I STARTED OUT WITH MORGELLONS AND I WAS DETOXING IT WELL . THEN THEY STARTED PULSE WAVING ME AND FURTHER DEVELOPING ME INTO A HUMAN gps!I ONLY SURVIVED USING A FARADAY CAGE , BUT AFTER 6 MONTHS THAT STOPED WORKING. I MUST USE MAGNETS TO KEEP ALIVE. I AM CONSTANTLY EXPOSED AND GETTING SICKER

[stewartliam]

I initially had morgellons and I was doing well detoxing with antifungals , antibiotics and antiparasitics . As all of these thing are used tp produce the nanos. They gow pod like sructure in your stomache , these go all over the body , producing nanos and fibers ,this wires you up with the nanotubules. Then they develop you by using a pulse wave . Which causes you to become a human GPS and trackable every where . Believe me I have tried to escape this and I cannot! I am just like a cell phone. I would of died if I DID NOT BUILD A FARADAY CAGE. w

[Bob]

stewartliam - its interesting that magnets are helping, suggesting that the symptoms can be controlled by strong magnetic fields. In the thread I may have pointed out that magnetic fields have been used to move around and direct selectively made nanoparticles. With being in the medical field, do you feel that you were exposed from a patient?

[tnkayaker]

this is so insidious that i just cant bare to read and listen to it just now, arhhh its really sickening to know we are being sprayed like insects and nothing or little to nothing to do about it, it really takes the wind out of my sails, i was so excited to plant my garden again this year, the first time in many years i have a place to plant a organic garden again and then to read what is really going on just lampoons my good intentions almost totally, not 100 percent but i swear it has taken most of the wind out of my sails thats for sure, i dont think anything is ever 100% a loss but this issue is quickly approaching the terminal density, oh bleh! lol

[stewartliam]

She is trying to save me as well . I am targeted th onow and I cannot detox this stuff out of me , as continuously being zapped. Are you completely better now ? I hope so . Hildy is the best there is , and also the world renown expert in detoxing this stuff out !

[Bob]

She is trying to save me as well .

I am targeted th o now and I cannot detox this stuff out of me , as continuously being zapped. Are you completely better now ? I hope so .

Hildy is the best there is , and also the world renown expert in detoxing this stuff out !

stewartliam - its interesting that magnets are helping, suggesting that the symptoms can be controlled by strong magnetic fields. In the thread I may have pointed out that magnetic fields have been used to move around and direct selectively made nanoparticles.

With being in the medical field, do you feel that you were exposed from a patient, if so where, when?

Can you give us all a link to Hildy and bring up some data who Hildy is, what is done to detox from nanoparticles ?

Had you tried what Hildy offers?

I would think a lot of forum members would be interested. Thank you

[stewartliam]

I am not sure , I was exposed to an information tech guy from California , who worked for Ibm. He very mysteriously moved to Canada where I am from . My other theory is that at the same time I had nose surgery and I had a sore on my nose afterwards that would not heal up and then fibers started coming put of my nose . I cannot prove anything , but they are my theories.My head is like the master control of these things. All of my scalp and ears and face are full of the nanos.As well as my whole body. I get high pitched beeping when they track me . I know when they are really zapping me, due to a higher pitch tone. WHICH IS TORTUROUS! THE FARADAY CAGE IS NOW USELESS, I am thinking that they are using terrahertz waves. Apparently now , they can penetrate thru anything . The nanos are electromagnetic . I disrupt Ecg machines as well as hotel doors which are carded.My other theory is magnetic scalar waves which can pass thru anything as well. Very strong magnets assist in breaking up the signal.

[stewartliam]

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[Bob]

I am not sure , I was exposed to an information tech guy from California , who worked for Ibm.

He very mysteriously moved to Canada where I am from . My other theory is that at the same time I had nose surgery and I had a sore on my nose afterwards that would not heal up and then fibers started coming put of my nose .

I cannot prove anything , but they are my theories.

My head is like the master control of these things.

All of my scalp and ears and face are full of the nanos.As well as my whole body.

I get high pitched beeping when they track me .

I know when they are really zapping me, due to a higher pitch tone.

WHICH IS TORTUROUS! THE FARADAY CAGE IS NOW USELESS, I am thinking that they are using terrahertz waves.

Apparently now , they can penetrate thru anything .

The nanos are electromagnetic .

I disrupt Ecg machines as well as hotel doors which are carded.

My other theory is magnetic scalar waves which can pass thru anything as well.

Very strong magnets assist in breaking up the signal.

Are you working in a hospital environment or visiting there, or like convalescent care facility? Have any other who are around you being affected?

I understand how the magnets are helping. Do you know how powerful the magnets are?

How long do you have to leave them in a location, and which location(s) work the best?

Thank you

[Carmody]

More brain control using light


https://neuroscience.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/styles/thumbnail/public/karl_deisseroth_-_light_control.jpg?itok=7-eVZLEA
In San Diego currently brain researchers are meeting and are ga-ga over new techniques to control the brain using light.

SAN DIEGO – Karl Deisseroth is having a very early breakfast before the day gets going at the annual meeting of the Society for Neuroscience.

Thirty thousand people who study the brain are at the Convention Center, a small city’s worth of badge-wearing, networking, lecture-attending scientists.

ref: http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/health/256438321.html

For Deisseroth, though, this crowd is a bit like the gang at Cheers — everybody knows his name. He is a Stanford psychiatrist and a neuroscientist, and one of the people most responsible for the development of optogenetics, a technique that allows researchers to turn brain cells on and off with a combination of genetic manipulation and pulses of light.

Cast of Champions

Cori Bargmann of Rockefeller University, who is a leader of a committee at the National Institutes of Health setting priorities for its piece of the brain initiative, said optogenetics is a great example of how technology can foster scientific progress.

“Optogenetics is the most revolutionary thing that has happened in neuroscience in the past couple of decades,” she said. “It is one of the advances that made it seem this is the right time to do a brain initiative.”

At the heart of all optogenetics are proteins called opsins. They are found in human eyes, in microbes and other organisms. When light shines on an opsin, it absorbs a photon and changes.

Deisseroth, 42, who has won numerous prizes and received plenty of news media attention for his work on optogenetics, is quick to point out that there is no sole inventor for this technology.

“It’s not as if one person had a eureka moment,” he said. “The time had come, and it was a question of who had put the resources and effort and people” on the task, and who would get there first.

We can thank Rockefeller University, and the National Institutes of Health to have a new way to program, modify, alter and map the brain.

What does having an OFF switch for the brain mean?

Think about it. A cop can eventually flash a light sequence at your eyes, and instantly you go paralytic. Can't move, drop to the ground frozen. That's the security use not talked about but is the reason funding comes from government sources for this type of research.

Of course the neuroscientists will talk about how well this new technique will let them study epilepsy or some sort of brain issue.. While the funding comes in for dark uses of the technology.

I've mentioned this before.

Every congressional floozie that has sold themselves to the system, has, at one time or another, gone to Israel on a junket.

All they have to do is say to the senator or congressman (while on that junket), 'can you step into this room please'..and then they go into the room..flash of light..and boom..it's all over.

They come back and well, they could easily be completely programmed by that time.

No reason to limit it to Israel using stolen black ops technology, it can be used anywhere at any time.

I always use specific toned dark sunglasses (reddish - blue blockers) (Serengeti), all year around... and I don't step into rooms with people I've never met. Standard precautionary behavior. Not paranoia. It's knowledge in potentials, of advanced hidden technology.

[stewartliam]

Dr Hildegard Staniger is the world renown expert in detoxing the advanced nano materials , she believes that they are in all Gmo food , cosmetics etc. She also believes that they are spraying us with chemtrails as well . She has been my Dr. for 3 years now . I would be dead without her. The Elite had tried to kill her several times over , but she does not stop her research . She knows that Morgellons is really nano as well . Her detoxing program is use of Far infar red saunas , which keeps me detoxed as the nano can break down from this . It is also parasitic ,fungal , viral and bacterial . You have to hit it with all of these things. I use naturopathic remedies now . The zapping keeps it all going tho . So I am literally fighting to stay alive . The medical community has been useless to me .This is ironic as I am a registered nurse as well. Her resersh and websited are all over the net , so just google it thanks
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Dr. Hildegarde Staniger PH.D Industrial Toxicologist/IH and Doctor of Integrative Medicine Imagine your body pocked by erupting sores, the sensation of little bugs crawling just below the surface of your flesh, and worst of all, mysterious, hideous looking fibers sprouting from your skin. It may sound like a scene from a science fiction movie, but a growing legion of Americans, sixty thousand of them, now suffer from this condition. Join us as Dr. Hildegarde Staninger fills us in on the terrible affliction known as Morgellons". Learn how what appear to be nanorobotic "assemblers" replicate from the inside out, from the digestive system to the skin, and how the composition of chemtrail fibers matches that of some of the fibers found on Morgellons sufferers. Are these nanorobots in our food? Can we protect ourselves from them? Dr. Hildegarde Staninger, Ph.D.'s websites:
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http://www.morgellons.com
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Morgellons Disease - April 2007
A communicable nanotechnology invasion of human tissues in the form of self-assembling, self-replicating nanotubes, nanowires, nanoarrays with sensors, and other nano configurations, some carrying genetically-altered and spliced DNA/RNA. These nano machines thrive in extreme alkaline ph conditions and use the body's bio-electric energy and other (unidentified) elements for power. (People should *not* strive for an acidic ph - they should work for a normal pH of 7.5 ). There is some evidence these tiny machines possess their own internal batteries. They are also believed to be able to receive specific tuned microwave, EMF and ELF signals and information. To what end is not known. The symptoms vary from open skin lesions from which colored or plain fibers emerge, which do not scab normally, heal extremely slowly and never become bacterially-infected -- to brain fog, fatigue and depression, etc. It is also established that Morgellons nano machines are commonly found in all body fluids, orifices and often even hair follicles, and are believed to routinely achieve total body systemic penetration. It is reported by nearly all afflicted that Morgellons nano machines seem to have some kind of hive or 'group intelligence.' Communicability appears to be possible/probable through shedding of the fibers by the infected and through all normal bacterial or viral vectors. Some fibers have been shown to withstand temperatures in excess of 1400 F, routine sterilization for Morgellons nano machines in all reusable medical/dental medical equipment and instruments is moot.
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[stewartliam]

I have done some microscopic slides of the nano tubules as well as the nanos, themselves , they are not microscopic and they do grow .The nanofibers are like tubules and they do contain payloads,The fibers are polymers , they are wrapped in proteins . so the bodie does not recognize them as foreign .Between that and the hooks in them , as well as the silicone they secrete , it makes it almost impossible to detox out .

[Bob]

I have done some microscopic slides of the nano tubules as well as the nanos, themselves , they are not microscopic and they do grow .

The nanofibers are like tubules and they do contain payloads,The fibers are polymers , they are wrapped in proteins . so the bodie does not recognize them as foreign .

Between that and the hooks in them , as well as the silicone they secrete , it makes it almost impossible to detox out .

OK, between your very detailed post #74 (thank you for that ) and Carmody's I am getting the impression that one implanted with nano-machines could have such activated and or modified to do certain things by light (probably wavelengths and flash rates). That they are modifiable by magnetic fields (maybe switched on or off, or programmed further), shows there is some sort of technology designed by some intelligence who wanted that feature..

In the OP post 1, http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64534-DNA-Nano-Technology-triggering&p=745726&viewfull=1#post745726 there is a picture which shows a type of machine built with nanoengines.

In post 8, http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64534-DNA-Nano-Technology-triggering&p=746040&viewfull=1#post746040 it shows how a nanoengine can be programmed or controlled by light of a certain wavelength.

In post 10, http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64534-DNA-Nano-Technology-triggering&p=746088&viewfull=1#post746088 it shows how a nano-engine (thusly designed as described in the posts 8 and 1) could contain a drug package, which could be released "on command".

If the hypothetical drugs contained in such engines then could be programmed to release let's say, a type of growth hormone, to facilitate "morgellons fibre generation" "on command", by terrahertz (which is in essence very very long wavelength infra-red-like "light" (a type of long wavelength photon), that could explain the "where and how" (i think) that morgellons comes into play. To me that looked like a virus cross between plant genes and a transposon virus (a substance in certain virus' allows for gene excision and splicing to happen into target DNA or RNA).

I'll look at the potential that morgellons manifestation is a nano-engine "engineered" more synthetically and precisely, than an accidental monsanto-like mistake in gene splicing gone horribly wrong..

About the magnets, how strong are they and where are they placed, and what type of relief and for how long? Do the magnets have to be moved, if so how often?

Small coincidental anecdote, some years back I think it was 1978, I had the opportunity to talk with an "agent" who was assigned to a Federal project to look for corruption in the executives running the project. (I need to be a little bit vague on this one for safety reasons).. He and I were talking about what do "they" do to facilitate getting information from people. He talked about an implant usually under the skin which releases, on command, chemicals (I assume drugs) which would make the person "switch" (he used the word "switch") or change from being one thing to something else (whatever the program was). He said, the way to deactivate such things was to use one of those super magnets applied to the location where the implanted object was located. To me that is saying back in the 70's a type of chemical/drug packet delivery system, remotely controlled was available. My "feeling" from reading him was a small device kept in one's pocket (the agent's) could be pressed, (like a garage door opener), and anyone with said implant would be affected as the implant could be turned on or off.

There is a lot to that story, more than is relevant for this thread (possibly in another thread at another time).. the point here is to point out, the synchronicity between your mention of magnets being able to help and this agent in 1978 saying magnets will deactivate (if used properly), on the "device".

[Bob]

I'm starting to formulate an idea that potentially a "nano-infection" (that may be the key new word to use), can be dealt with by a specifically formulated group of enzymes designed to go after a key component in the construction lattice of the nano-machine. Something that is not toxic to the higher organism "nano-infected", but will destroy a key functional feature or features of such machines. My belief is this similar type of enzyme group could be used on virus'.

I do know red dye #2 is effective in doing a similar type of deactivation of virus', possibly a dye substance with enzymatic properties tailored to the building block molecule of the nano-engine's scaffold would be the solution. I would believe then the higher organism's immune system would then naturally flush out the debris. I do not believe that the "engineers" would be able to come up with a similar type of nano-machine that would be immune to the "treatment", as such machines would have to use an elemental substance which is readily "growable"; that limits it to certain types of atoms.

[tnkayaker]

Bobd thanks for a informative and what had to be a daunting/time consuming task to compile and upload all this data, its much appreciated, it kind of fills in the blanks i had before when someone would ask me "so why do you think they are spraying this stuff? now its pretty clear , well maybe not totally clear yet until i read all this data but its def. here, thanks again ,peace,d.

[Carmody]

More brain control using light


https://neuroscience.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/styles/thumbnail/public/karl_deisseroth_-_light_control.jpg?itok=7-eVZLEA
In San Diego currently brain researchers are meeting and are ga-ga over new techniques to control the brain using light.

SAN DIEGO – Karl Deisseroth is having a very early breakfast before the day gets going at the annual meeting of the Society for Neuroscience.

Thirty thousand people who study the brain are at the Convention Center, a small city’s worth of badge-wearing, networking, lecture-attending scientists.

ref: http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/health/256438321.html

For Deisseroth, though, this crowd is a bit like the gang at Cheers — everybody knows his name. He is a Stanford psychiatrist and a neuroscientist, and one of the people most responsible for the development of optogenetics, a technique that allows researchers to turn brain cells on and off with a combination of genetic manipulation and pulses of light.

Cast of Champions

Cori Bargmann of Rockefeller University, who is a leader of a committee at the National Institutes of Health setting priorities for its piece of the brain initiative, said optogenetics is a great example of how technology can foster scientific progress.

“Optogenetics is the most revolutionary thing that has happened in neuroscience in the past couple of decades,” she said. “It is one of the advances that made it seem this is the right time to do a brain initiative.”

At the heart of all optogenetics are proteins called opsins. They are found in human eyes, in microbes and other organisms. When light shines on an opsin, it absorbs a photon and changes.

Deisseroth, 42, who has won numerous prizes and received plenty of news media attention for his work on optogenetics, is quick to point out that there is no sole inventor for this technology.

“It’s not as if one person had a eureka moment,” he said. “The time had come, and it was a question of who had put the resources and effort and people” on the task, and who would get there first.

We can thank Rockefeller University, and the National Institutes of Health to have a new way to program, modify, alter and map the brain.

What does having an OFF switch for the brain mean?

Think about it. A cop can eventually flash a light sequence at your eyes, and instantly you go paralytic. Can't move, drop to the ground frozen. That's the security use not talked about but is the reason funding comes from government sources for this type of research.

Of course the neuroscientists will talk about how well this new technique will let them study epilepsy or some sort of brain issue.. While the funding comes in for dark uses of the technology.

I've mentioned this before.

Every congressional floozie that has sold themselves to the system, has, at one time or another, gone to Israel on a junket.

All they have to do is say to the senator or congressman (while on that junket), 'can you step into this room please'..and then they go into the room..flash of light..and boom..it's all over.

They come back and well, they could easily be completely programmed by that time.

No reason to limit it to Israel using stolen black ops technology, it can be used anywhere at any time.

I always use specific toned dark sunglasses (reddish - blue blockers) (Serengeti), all year around... and I don't step into rooms with people I've never met. Standard precautionary behavior. Not paranoia. It's knowledge in potentials, of advanced hidden technology.


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[onawah]

This looks like good information, but I wonder about the accuracy of what I have underlined following...The underlying reason for much illness is an overly acidic body--most have to strive for a more alkaline condition, not the other way around.



Morgellons Disease - April 2007
A communicable nanotechnology invasion of human tissues in the form of self-assembling, self-replicating nanotubes, nanowires, nanoarrays with sensors, and other nano configurations, some carrying genetically-altered and spliced DNA/RNA. These nano machines thrive in extreme alkaline ph conditions and use the body's bio-electric energy and other (unidentified) elements for power. (People should *not* strive for an acidic ph - they should work for a normal pH of 7.5 ). There is some evidence these tiny machines possess their own internal batteries. They are also believed to be able to receive specific tuned microwave, EMF and ELF signals and information. To what end is not known. The symptoms vary from open skin lesions from which colored or plain fibers emerge, which do not scab normally, heal extremely slowly and never become bacterially-infected -- to brain fog, fatigue and depression, etc. It is also established that Morgellons nano machines are commonly found in all body fluids, orifices and often even hair follicles, and are believed to routinely achieve total body systemic penetration. It is reported by nearly all afflicted that Morgellons nano machines seem to have some kind of hive or 'group intelligence.' Communicability appears to be possible/probable through shedding of the fibers by the infected and through all normal bacterial or viral vectors. Some fibers have been shown to withstand temperatures in excess of 1400 F, routine sterilization for Morgellons nano machines in all reusable medical/dental medical equipment and instruments is moot.
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[Bob]

This looks like good information, but I wonder about the accuracy of what I have underlined following...The underlying reason for much illness is an overly acidic body--most have to strive for a more alkaline condition, not the other way around.



Morgellons Disease - April 2007
A communicable nanotechnology invasion of human tissues in the form of self-assembling, self-replicating nanotubes, nanowires, nanoarrays with sensors, and other nano configurations, some carrying genetically-altered and spliced DNA/RNA. These nano machines thrive in extreme alkaline ph conditions and use the body's bio-electric energy and other (unidentified) elements for power. (People should *not* strive for an acidic ph - they should work for a normal pH of 7.5 ). There is some evidence these tiny machines possess their own internal batteries. They are also believed to be able to receive specific tuned microwave, EMF and ELF signals and information. To what end is not known. The symptoms vary from open skin lesions from which colored or plain fibers emerge, which do not scab normally, heal extremely slowly and never become bacterially-infected -- to brain fog, fatigue and depression, etc. It is also established that Morgellons nano machines are commonly found in all body fluids, orifices and often even hair follicles, and are believed to routinely achieve total body systemic penetration. It is reported by nearly all afflicted that Morgellons nano machines seem to have some kind of hive or 'group intelligence.' Communicability appears to be possible/probable through shedding of the fibers by the infected and through all normal bacterial or viral vectors. Some fibers have been shown to withstand temperatures in excess of 1400 F, routine sterilization for Morgellons nano machines in all reusable medical/dental medical equipment and instruments is moot.
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Hi Onawah - i'm not going to reply for stewartliam (hope she sees your quote), my understanding of the nano-molecules being created is that any engine can be created with any package to resist any environment of normal chemical pH. For instance a silicon based engine (let's called it based on a siloxane, or silicon type of rubber) with encapsulated enzymes that release over time, could potentially create particles that last for 20 years or more without degrading in the body. The silicone based implant device is naturally ignored by the body, until the organic component that holds it together breaks down, resulting in raw silicon molecules, (sand).. These sand particles people have reported appearing, the "granules"..

Just saying the technology is so sophisticated, as illustrated in the earlier posts in this thread, what they choose for the duration they choose before it is naturally attacked, or falls apart, is up to the developer of the stuff, and the choice of the deployer which one to use in their subjects (or victims)..

With moregellons, my worry is more what type of plant gene virus is being spliced in via the monsatan manipulations of foods and cotton..

[onawah]

If far infra red saunas are helpful for detoxing nanotechnology, far infrared bio mats probably would be too.
I just posted the following on this thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71624-Chronic-Fatigue-Syndrome-The-Deadly-Cycle&p=838535&viewfull=1#post838535

Far infra-red sauna is very good for detoxing, strengthening the immune system, relieving pain and more. Dr. Mark Sircus, who is a member of the forum now, recommends infrared sauna "bio mats", and you can read about them here:
http://drsircus.com/medicine/light-h...rt-of-a-biomat
Lots of other good info on his website, imho.


Dr Hildegard Staniger is the world renown expert in detoxing the advanced nano materials , she believes that they are in all Gmo food , cosmetics etc. She also believes that they are spraying us with chemtrails as well . She has been my Dr. for 3 years now . I would be dead without her. The Elite had tried to kill her several times over , but she does not stop her research . She knows that Morgellons is really nano as well . Her detoxing program is use of Far infar red saunas , which keeps me detoxed as the nano can break down from this . It is also parasitic ,fungal , viral and bacterial . You have to hit it with all of these things.

[HaulinBananas]

new Thread update

I have become aware of something "new" in the way of nano- technologies as related to direct brain nervous system control, and the technologies shown are very do-able and have been demonstrated by the producer scientists.

The control range of such to perform in-real-time modification, or "tuning adjustments" to fine adjust activity based on the program is not more than a few feet at best, more like one's head would have to be inside a MRI machine, in a doctor's office in a special machine, a "chair"..

I am not sure exactly which sub-forum to place this in. It is not a conspiracy, it is not an accepted medical technology or a new science. It is a control technology using nano-science.

I am currently listening to the audiobook version of The Future of the Mind by Dr. Michio Kaku.

The current technological advances with nanotech and the brain has many applications . . . and many implications.

I highly recommend this book if you are interested in knowing what changes are currently coming about in our society and what the future looks like.

The books' enthusiastic coverage of technological and scientific progress is a little scary if you are a person who loves the concept of freewill and privacy.

The moral and ethical implications are staggering, but since the book's emphasis is on science, another author will have to tackle ethics.

Laws will be playing catch up and probably any laws will be bought and paid for to protect technology over people . . . if current trends continue.

http://www.audible.com/pd/Science-Technology/The-Future-of-the-Mind-Audiobook/B00HUBJ8NM#publisher-summary


The Future of the Mind: The Scientific Quest to Understand, Enhance, and Empower the Mind

Written by: Michio Kaku
Narrated by: Feodor Chin
Length: 15 hrs and 39 mins
Format: Unabridged


Publisher's Summary

The New York Times best-selling author of Physics of the Impossible, Physics of the Future and Hyperspace tackles the most fascinating and complex object in the known universe: the human brain.

For the first time in history, the secrets of the living brain are being revealed by a battery of high-tech brain scans devised by physicists. Now what was once solely the province of science fiction has become a startling reality. Recording memories, telepathy, videotaping our dreams, mind control, avatars, and telekinesis are not only possible; they already exist.

The Future of the Mind gives us an authoritative and compelling look at the astonishing research being done in top laboratories around the world - all based on the latest advancements in neuroscience and physics. One day we might have a "smart pill" that can enhance our cognition; be able to upload our brain to a computer, neuron for neuron; send thoughts and emotions around the world on a "brain-net"; control computers and robots with our mind; push the very limits of immortality; and perhaps even send our consciousness across the universe.

Dr. Kaku takes us on a grand tour of what the future might hold, giving us not only a solid sense of how the brain functions but also how these technologies will change our daily lives. He even presents a radically new way to think about "consciousness" and applies it to provide fresh insight into mental illness, artificial intelligence and alien consciousness.

With Dr. Kaku's deep understanding of modern science and keen eye for future developments, The Future of the Mind is a scientific tour de force - an extraordinary, mind-boggling exploration of the frontiers of neuroscience.

©2014 Michio Kaku (P)2014 Random House Audio
What the Critics Say

"In this expansive, illuminating journey through the mind, theoretical physicist Kaku (Physics of the Future) explores fantastical realms of science fiction that may soon become our reality. His futurist framework merges physics with neuroscience...applied to demonstrations that ‘show proof-of-principle’ in accomplishing what was previously fictional: That minds can be read, memories can be digitally stored, and intelligences can be improved to great extents. The discussion, while heavily scientific, is engaging, clear, and replete with cinematic references.... These new mental frontiers make for captivating reading." (Publishers Weekly )

"Kaku turns his attention to the human mind with equally satisfying results…. Telepathy is no longer a fantasy since scanners can already detect, if crudely, what a subject is thinking, and genetics and biochemistry now allow researchers to alter memories and increase intelligence in animals. Direct electrical stimulation of distinct brain regions has changed behavior, awakened comatose patients, relieved depression, and produced out-of-body and religious experiences…. Kaku is not shy about quoting science-fiction movies and TV (he has seen them all)… he delivers ingenious predictions extrapolated from good research already in progress." (Kirkus Reviews)

"Chin tells the story of the popularization of brain science with an up-tempo, keeping the listener's interest in the dense material.... This is an excellent attempt at bringing academic research to the layperson in audio format." (AudioFile)


This is a 15 hour audiobook, and if you read the reviews, some readers complain that it is basically a shallow overview of current developments and doesn't go into depth. There are so many developments going on that it is overwhelming.

What this book covers is human enhancement or transhumanism.

I read William Gibson's cyberpunk science fiction novels years ago, and Michio Kaku talks in this book of real world scientific developments that make William Gibson's stories seem possible.

[Bob]

http://ec.europa.eu/health/ph_risk/committees/04_scenihr/docs/scenihr_o_003b.pdf

In light of the hype again to use potentially unsafe nanoparticles indiscriminately (drink em, swish em, inhale them) suggested by folks that appear to be uninformed of the dangers, the above PDF trys again to explain to people that nanoparticles PUNCTURE healthy cells and can damage the genetic material that makes up the cell - damaged dna can lead to cancer, inability of the cells to function (such as lung cells when having inhaled nanoparticles)..

[BlueMuffin]

It's unfortunate such issues as this one is real, which makes the the once assumed scenario was the preliminary application for weather control, thus the reason for distributing these toxic trails primarily for weather control seem like child's play...

It would seem they're much more interested in controlling us than the weather.

Anybody interested in this matter would certainly be interested in this website - http://www.dataasylum.com/

This bright fellow has compiled an extensive list of the many media sources in-which they disclose what they're doing to us through displays of "fiction". Many of us are well aware of this act, but this website details solely with what this thread is about, BUT, also alludes to the actual solution also revealed throughout media sources. The more obscure and relatively unknown films and showings, offer much more blatant clues. The big ones that play internationally are usually more subtle in nature.

It would seem the general cure is the application of electricity at a certain wave-length that successfully eliminates the Nano-tech and the madness ends, although complicated by how to properly reach certain areas and how to do so safely without causing injury to the subject.

It's extremely saddening to think about, seeing as such technology could be used to drastically improve our lives and help people, is instead being used for such purposes...

[Bob]

[..]

It would seem the general cure is the application of electricity at a certain wave-length that successfully eliminates the Nano-tech and the madness ends

although complicated by how to properly reach certain areas

and how to do so safely without causing injury to the subject.

[..]

Extraordinarily succinct to the point precisely.

A magnetic induced wavelength will do what is proposed to deactivate said nano-particles..

That will bypass the issue about the electrical damage.. prevent the ionization of "innocent" tissues..

Agreed?