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Snowflower
20th October 2013, 16:32
This is an invitation to initiate discussion with anyone who is ready to take actual, physical, life-changing action in preparation for world system collapse and might like to consider the direction I am outlining here.

I live on a mountain in Colorado. Yes, I was impacted by the flood in a major way. My house was not destroyed or damaged, but the road to my land was wiped out and the highway to the plains is still closed and will be for several more months.

During our nearly 2 weeks of isolation, nothing much changed. We had shelter, water, food, supplies. Our animals survived (mostly - two chickens drowned, but the rest didn't, goats made it, pigs ok, cows unaffected, ducks had a blast). Garden did drown though. Hay was destoyed.) We simply continued living, refusing all offers of evacuation, not needing to go somewhere and sit in some designated spot waiting for someone to do something. The point being that stuff happens, you deal with it, and if you're prepared, you're going to be more likely able to deal with it. Sure, it could have been a forest fire instead of a flood, and then we would have been wiped out - all preps down the drain. But, we've talked about that as well and have decided, my husband and I, that if that were to happen, we would put up a tipi on the land rather than go into government assistance programs.

Anyway, the point being - I have land and am offering space. Now, I want you to know that I've been attacked - badly and irrevocably - by a psychopath I didn't know any better to "see" and have been hurt by just plain bad people who came up here and took advantage of my generosity. So - opening myself up again, offering again, trying again - scares the bejeezus out of me.

But - the ONLY way we will make it through the coming collapse is in community. So here's my newest attempt to find community.

ALL I have is space. It is a place to put a primitive stucture: tipi, arctic tent, SMALL cob cabin eventually, not off the bat. In fact, I happen to have a 16 ft. camper that could house a single or couple, and a 16' hexagon arctic tent that could house a small family, couple with small children.

The NUMBER ONE requirement is the willingness to be uncomfortable in primitive conditions because it is the best way to get practice to learn how to survive the future.

Other requirements:
1. able to communicate. to talk. to bring problems out into the open.
2. every single person in the group on the same page. Nothing like I just got rid of - husband on board, but wife being dragged kicking and screaming. Made life miserable for all of us.
3. comprehends the difference between generosity and entitlement.
4. somewhat capable physically to cut firewood, haul water, from at least one of the group.
5. enough money to make the transition. I've had folks up here with nothing, thinking mistakenly, that they would be more motivated to become self-sufficient. Didn't work - they just sat here on food stamps. Now, admittedly, I have a far lower money needs idea than most - but, there has to be some.
6. What I would personally like the most is a multi-generational family. Three generations. Babies. Elderly. Makes for better balance.

Ok - about the physical setup.

We have 160 acres, surrounded by national forest, very few large acreage, private land owners on the four mile road leading to the highway. We're at the end of the road. We have open meadow for gardening, lots of pine trees, rocks, view, wildflowers. We have water - a lake, two wells, several springs. We are off grid and make our own electricity. We are 500 miles from the nearest known volcanic threat, not on any fault lines, away from population centers. Don't have a high fence, guns and no trespassing mindset, just self-sufficiency.

I'm not the owner. A family trust is. I'm a member of the family. I have three acres within those 160 acres and can offer shelter to a few people. We have use of the rest of the land too. There are four of us who understand what's coming. The rest (my children, their children) are brain dead (except one granddaughter who has had dreams and "knows")as far as paying attention is concerned. They all like being self sufficient, but won't listen at all about future collapse.

I'm putting this into the ether to see what happens.
Thanks.

wolf_rt
20th October 2013, 16:45
Thats an incredible offer, if i had the misfortune to live in the states i would be very excited about this.

sheme
20th October 2013, 16:47
Like attracts like it will go well for you this time.

Crazy Louie
20th October 2013, 17:07
I don't want to taint your intent but I think you should be a little more careful about making such offers - I don't think like attracts like - I say that after being a social worker for 30 some years and working on locked psych units for 11 of those years. You are right about community being a better way than going it alone but do you think the devil does not do business on this forum in so many various ways? People talk about psychopaths like they are clearly defined and you can spot them -- sorry to burst your notions but that is far far from the truth - if a psychopath does not want to be known he won't be - and just like all other things in life there are all different variations of psychopath - colors of the rainbow etc - along with the various manifestations of other mental illness or personality dysfunctions. I don't have to tell you some of the best shrinks in the biz are psychopaths. Being completely detached from emotion gives them free reign to treat conditions without feeling the person.

Sorry but I feel a bit of fear for you to put yourself in such a high risk situation on a forum where anyone can join it and be part of. I think that fear for you a stranger outweighs what some might say is bringing a negative force to your post - not my intent - but snowflower - there is so much dark force energy all around us with or without me saying a thing. There has to be a better way for you to find real serious people that are looking with earnest right now with a pure heart and pure motive for just the thing you are offering.

Okay I said what I felt led to say - I will hold my mud now.

Marianne
20th October 2013, 17:16
...on a forum where anyone can join it
That's not a true statement.
Not to say someone wouldn't fool us, but we do screen applications.
We do say, 'Sorry, no thanks' to some.

outerheaven
20th October 2013, 17:23
What OWL said is so true, unfortunately!

(Also, what's up, social worker buddy! I've only been working with the homeless for 3 years, so I haven't paid my dues nearly as long as you, but I've seen enough to know exactly what you're talking about.)

Snowflower, that's an incredibly generous and courageous offer you've made, and you get my props for that. As a (currently transplanted) Kansan, I've always dreamt of moving to Colorado and roughin' it on a mountain. If I still lived in KS and were ready to make the commitment and transition, I'd definitely want to swing by and meet you and your folk and feel the situation out and see if it's a good match. Something tells me you're 100x more hardcore than I'll ever be, though :)

But like OWL is alluding to, there are so many dark forces pervading every bit of our lives -- especially places like this, that are going to be a hotbed for COINTELPRO/disinformation etc. to interfere with and make life as difficult as possible for truth-seekers. They really are involved with every aspect of society to make it as hard as possible to live a good, honest, truthful life. I know you know that, too.

It must be hard finding help. Anyhow, I'm sure you already know all this and have a rigorous screening process for any potential candidates. I guess what I'm saying is... please be careful, and good luck!

Tesla_WTC_Solution
20th October 2013, 17:28
Making a difference while living in a country like ours is very difficult.
You have a great idea, Snowflower, and I hope you meet some wonderful people.

Perhaps in order to protect yourself, you could draft a contract outlining expectations and behavior standards for the group,
and if you have trouble, perhaps the authorities would treat the situation similarly to a resort that is having trouble.

However, I think a lot of people are just scared of success -- they come in here and "warn you" of all the "danger" in the world partly because they have no faith in a system that the whites destroyed 150+ years ago. I.e. what you are proposing is a community similar to those formed by the natives. They were highly successful societies until whites came.

I don't see how being a jailkeeper for a hospital qualifies someone to discourage natural living or community.
Solitary confinement, really?

The best therapy for many convicts and mental patients is actually Farm Therapy. But people working for the system won't tell you that.
They tell you that the best protection is denial of humanity. They have forgotten the French doctor who took the chains off the mental patients hundreds of years ago.
They have forgotten the way of dreams and the wisdom of the earth.

Colorado is one of the best places you can go, from what I hear, if the system is really going down.
There are places there where there aren't even roads... some of the forests are so large and so deep that they have regions where vehicles have never gone.

I would love to survive to see that someday.

outerheaven
20th October 2013, 17:46
However, I think a lot of people are just scared of success -- they come in here and "warn you" of all the "danger" in the world partly because they have no faith in a system that the whites destroyed 150+ years ago. I.e. what you are proposing is a community similar to those formed by the natives. They were highly successful societies until whites came.

I don't see how being a jailkeeper for a hospital qualifies someone to discourage natural living or community.
Solitary confinement, really?

The best therapy for many convicts and mental patients is actually Farm Therapy. But people working for the system won't tell you that.
They tell you that the best protection is denial of humanity. They have forgotten the French doctor who took the chains off the mental patients hundreds of years ago.
They have forgotten the way of dreams and the wisdom of the earth.

Colorado is one of the best places you can go, from what I hear, if the system is really going down.
There are places there where there aren't even roads... some of the forests are so large and so deep that they have regions where vehicles have never gone.

I would love to survive to see that someday.

Hmm ... Well, I can't speak for OWL, but believe me, I am certainly not endorsing the system's model! If there's one thing I've learned from working with the homeless, it's that the system is insanely broken and does not serve the clients' needs in any meaningful fashion, period. It's a shame to see my coworkers not realize that and vent and rant about how "these f-'in bums can't do anything," etc.

But, it's precisely because of how subsistence living has been systematically infiltrated and destroyed, like you've mentioned, that I would be very careful of making public offers. I hope Snowflower finds a perfect match for her family and needs -- I'd love to do what she's doing but I don't have the courage yet. I can freely admit that. I see no harm in what she's doing. It's what I aspire to do someday.

Snowflower, I hope you don't think I'm trying to dissuade your lifestyle or your offer. I think you've made an incredibly generous offer and I truly do wish you the best of luck. I do think, however, that we should be able to openly talk about very real dangers that persist in a society that hates people living independently. If not for your benefit, for others' benefit.

I don't think it's a sinister statement and I'm not trying to point fingers at anyone. It's a fact: living off the grid threatens the elite's control. Anything that threatens their control is seen as a target. We all need to be vigilant, always!

778 neighbour of some guy
20th October 2013, 17:51
What OWL said is so true, unfortunately!

(Also, what's up, social worker buddy! I've only been working with the homeless for 3 years, so I haven't paid my dues nearly as long as you, but I've seen enough to know exactly what you're talking about.)

Snowflower, that's an incredibly generous and courageous offer you've made, and you get my props for that. As a (currently transplanted) Kansan, I've always dreamt of moving to Colorado and roughin' it on a mountain. If I still lived in KS and were ready to make the commitment and transition, I'd definitely want to swing by and meet you and your folk and feel the situation out and see if it's a good match. Something tells me you're 100x more hardcore than I'll ever be, though :)

But like OWL is alluding to, there are so many dark forces pervading every bit of our lives -- especially places like this, that are going to be a hotbed for COINTELPRO/disinformation etc. to interfere with and make life as difficult as possible for truth-seekers. They really are involved with every aspect of society to make it as hard as possible to live a good, honest, truthful life. I know you know that, too.

It must be hard finding help. Anyhow, I'm sure you already know all this and have a rigorous screening process for any potential candidates. I guess what I'm saying is... please be careful, and good luck!

I am in the same business and ditto, people certainly CAN be awesome, unfortunately that's NOT always the case and there's nothing romantic about betting on the wrong horse and the massive steaming heaps of manure they produce, plenty of occasions in life where there are just not big enough shovels.

Anyway I applaud you Snowflower for your initiative and willingness to keep placing your trust in people, as far as a coming collapse goes, I am not an US citizen but I do believe it will be a global event the likes of we have never seen before and it is important to learn the skills one needs to be more self reliant, I am convinced of that part, I hope you find some people to team up with but suggest you be very careful in the selection process, your selection process covers a lot of ground already, but don't forget people can change in an unexpected way when real trouble arises.

I wish you good luck;)

blufire
20th October 2013, 18:03
I have made very similar offers on the original Project Avalon forum and this current forum . . . . both when I lived in Kansas and now that I have moved back to Appalachian Mountains.

I have been startled and saddened at how VERY little response I received . . . maybe it is just me??

I am a seasoned lifelong self sufficient/reliant homesteader and currently bringing in technology to enhance my homestead and community and have even expressed this fact several times on this forum. I do NOT live an 1800ís lifestyle. I live a synergistic blend of both.

I have come to the conclusion that while many speak of desiring this responsible lifestyle very very few will actually make the effort and decision to change.

The mass majority will wait and procrastinate until dire situations have them surrounded and they are forced to make the responsible decision . . . and then it will be far too late.

And am I afraid or concerned that I make this offer on a public forum such as this? Not in the least. Because people like me who have thought this through from every angle has also very defined strong vetting process already in place.

And by the way . . . I in no way view myself as a survivor or a victim. The way I live is from a practical realization that I am responsible for myself and family and community, as well as, safety, livelihood, well being, and happiness. The government, church or any other group is not responsible for me or for any of us and (imo) if you have that mind set . . . well . . . you get what you ask for and you most definitely will become a victim of your own asking and apathy

outerheaven
20th October 2013, 18:21
I have made very similar offers on the original Project Avalon forum and this current forum . . . . both when I lived in Kansas and now that I have moved back to Appalachian Mountains.

I have been startled and saddened at how VERY little response I received . . . maybe it is just me??

I am a seasoned lifelong self sufficient/reliant homesteader and currently bringing in technology to enhance my homestead and community and have even expressed this fact several times on this forum. I do NOT live an 1800ís lifestyle. I live a synergistic blend of both.

I have come to the conclusion that while many speak of desiring this responsible lifestyle very very few will actually make the effort and decision to change.

The mass majority will wait and procrastinate until dire situations have them surrounded and they are forced to make the responsible decision . . . and then it will be far too late.

And am I afraid or concerned that I make this offer on a public forum such as this? Not in the least. Because people like me who have thought this through from every angle has also very defined strong vetting process already in place.

And by the way . . . I in no way view myself as a survivor or a victim. The way I live is from a practical realization that I am responsible for myself and family and community, as well as, safety, livelihood, well being, and happiness. The government, church or any other group is not responsible for me or for any of us and (imo) if you have that mind set . . . well . . . you get what you ask for and you most definitely will become a victim of your own asking and apathy

Great post, blufire!

Honestly, I'm not surprised by receiving little response. It's a huge transition! And you're essentially looking for people who want to be fully independent, but ... aren't ready to be, at the same time. They have to be sure enough of themselves to make a huge commitment. In essence, there's a bit of a contradiction there: how can they be 100% sure they're ready to live independently, and be prepared for all the life changes, yet ... also be a dependent on someone else's land? What if they find it's not for them? Then you're letting down that person who made such a wonderful offer.

I understand that's some of the inherent risk for both parties. It just seems to me that the offer has to really find someone in that "sweet spot" of their life where they've made the decision to transition lifestyles, but haven't made many moves to do it on their own. How many people in the country are at that point? How many of those people are here on this forum?

Me, for instance -- I'm interested in Snowflower's offer. But how do I know I'm *truly* ready for it? If I were ready to do it, wouldn't I already be doing it on my own? Why would I need someone else's offer to jump-start me?

Yup, you're right, I'm procrastinating. I hope I don't procrastinate until it's too late. I know I keep saying it, since I'm a newbie poster here on Avalon, but I just woke up, not even 2 months ago. This is all still very new to me and I am having to seriously re-consider how to live the rest of my life!

With all the fear porn and the signs of the NWO arranging their plans, I'm constantly undulating between "do I prepare for NOW" or "do I prepare for the long-haul?" There's quite a bit of soul-searching. I imagine everyone else is soul-searching, too. We're all in it together.

One thing is for sure -- you guys seriously get my respect. I hope I can be as strong as you.

Kristin
20th October 2013, 18:31
Brave offer. Use your intuition! Do not say "yes" right off the bat to people. You are allowed to vet and ask as many questions as you like, have as many phone conversations as you will, and skype with the folks who would like to take you up on your offer. You can have them up for a month long visit as a trial period and you can ask them to leave. Keep them on "guest" status until you are certain of whom you are dealing with.

From the Heart,
Kristin

Lifebringer
20th October 2013, 21:59
Hi Snowflower, just wanted to say, you are sweet to do that for people. My husband and I are retired AA and leery of going into certain necks of the woods. But i love to look at the stars on a clear night, and be among nice people. We are thinking of doing the RV thingy and seeing this great country he served for. He's photographer and I a gardening, political person with a conscious and a green trade Associates degree. I know how you feel about the back t o nature and survival stuff. And as for the phychos, it is dangerous out there, but I believe that like brings like also, and I would be glad to share camp as we go through the country ducking and dodging whatever comes our way. Are there any rock formations for cave living? I like the idea of a solid structure with strong secure front entrance against the wind. I'm Native American also, and have thought about going to the reservation areas to rent a spot or two and help their economy or education volunteering and sharing what I've learned to improve the standard of life, without destroying or disturbing nature. Really serious about this and yes, it's hard to put yourself out there like that.

Don't know when or where I'll see ya, but if you're still here in a year, I and hubby plan to rent an RVor even a Van with bed to save on hotels and carry various utensils and survival stuff to test out the waters. Will probably see how it is with rainy weather also, but not in the muddy areas. Where there is rock or cave.

Lifebringer
20th October 2013, 22:19
Yeah, but for real, I'm ready. My hubby and I enjoy the hermit life as we are empty nesters now. WE have family property but's divided also and they keep fighting of it and i and my hubby just look for what we can do for ourselves. He's also a recycler.

We use everything until it's no longer usable. I'm ready to try the flower pot heater and stuff living close to the poverty level and relying on wha I paid for, spending thriftly, and trying to save, we want the RV bought and paid for because if we are blessed to meet someone like you, we would be more than happy to share stories and of course the latest in the paranormal or UFO that we have. Do you get many sightings, I heard Colorado is a hot spot? Wow, just thinking about that type of freedom for my Airman husband and I is a wonderful and calming thought. Do you have many roaming wolves, bears, and such?

I don't use guns, just a fishing rod and common sense so far, but if there are wolves and coyotes, as well as bears, I'd like that RV 1st, even more. LOL.

Lifebringer
20th October 2013, 22:29
What kind of code or signal can Avalonians have for Snowflower if we are Avalonian. A car bumpersticker or something with a star or planet or ufo? Is there a way WE can have some sort of identifying trait that is recognized by all here that are members?

What if we come up with a few bumper stickers for vehicles, hats or jewelry? Some way to "know" to ask.

It's a wise move in a catastrophic situation where one is seeking shelter. Perhaps to say a word or phrase if one is in the area? Something simple yet recognized. Perhaps our globe that's on the sight? Patch for the garments or hat? Something to let people recognize each other even if it's their member name. You can always verify by seeing who's here in the search or asking Bill or Paul or others here. Be nice to have some pics on the area and talk to others about it. So many ideas. God bless you Snowflower.

Lifebringer
20th October 2013, 22:37
OT Emergency. AU is on fire and surrounded by wildfires on three sides with the desert as the only option to run to. Cities have smoke all around and the air quality is f'd. WE need to pray people, we need to get this under control before there's nowhere to go.

Heavenly Father please helpt the people of Austrailia, where they can get out safely and send the rains to control and stop the fires. They are exhausted and laying on the ground to rest.

In Christ name we pray.

Snowflower
21st October 2013, 00:22
Wowsers! Lots of response today. I am on the iPad, need to turn on the puter to reply, but first, it's shower day, the water is hot, the stove is chugging away (the one I just built and I'm SO proud of doing it!), and I'm going to settle in for this snowy evening before responding to so many different thoughts!

Bubu
21st October 2013, 01:06
Brave offer. Use your intuition! Do not say "yes" right off the bat to people. You are allowed to vet and ask as many questions as you like, have as many phone conversations as you will, and skype with the folks who would like to take you up on your offer. You can have them up for a month long visit as a trial period and you can ask them to leave. Keep them on "guest" status until you are certain of whom you are dealing with.

From the Heart,
Kristin

"Trust your intuition", yes to that

If you deal with a sociopath the more you converse; phone, skype etc. the more you will be hook. They are extremely charming as you might have known from experience.

If I have to look on photos of people like Alex Jones, David Icke, Teal Scott, Micheal Tellinger, my instinct tells me that I can believe Tellinger. Simple as that. Do not be afraid to misjudge you have the right to be wrong.

Wish you all the best on your move.

Snowflower
21st October 2013, 01:57
Let's see. I'm going to just start in trying to respond to thoughts and ideas, hoping I don't miss something.

First - believe me when I say I'm a hell of a lot more scared about trying again than you can imagine. I just evicted a family. In fact, they left to live in a cabin just down the canyon four days before the flood hit. I don't know what happened to them in the flood. Probably didn't touch their house because they weren't on the river. I evicted them because he was supposed to be exchanging work for rent and I just got fed up with the constant excuses for why he couldn't do the work. Two years of it and I'd had it. Well, it also helped that his brother called me a f***ing c**t behind my back. NOT pleasant. I had failed to get a damage deposit at the beginning. So damned trusting of people (not anymore!) They smashed the glass door in, left rotten eggs mixed with salt on the floor, left piles of ashes all over the living room. Sliced plastic walls on outside room area. I don't think they were psychopaths - just people with an entitlement attitude. Haven't touched the mess yet - too busy with flood damage. Which is why that house isn't available. Besides - it's taken me all this time to even think of trying again.

I don't want to pollute my brain enough to tell you about the psychopath who was evicted 2.5 years ago. She did serious damage to me. Then there was the kid who wanted to be here because I'm 420 friendly. Well and good. Only in the three days he was here, it became painfully obvious that he didn't confine himself to MMJ. So, he left rather suddenly. And the guy who was here even less time who demonstrated within just a couple of days that he was wackier than a loony toon. We escorted him away.

Ok, so now there's Emma and Davey. And their astonishingly beautiful newborn baby daughter. They arrived 16 months ago. They are lovely people. They also work in exchange for rent, only with the Trust, not with me. They did exchange with me for the first year they were here, living in that arctic tent I mentioned. Then, with the baby coming, and Emma having some really serious health problems (was in bed down in a motel near the hospital for the last 10 weeks of the pregnancy, delivered 5 weeks early with induced labor to save Emma's life due to failing heart, thyroid, kidneys - she has recovered and is fine) they arranged with the Trust to rent a cabin and work for them. Works for me, since they are still helping me out as much as they can, now have four solid walls for that baby, and will likely be here for the rest of their lives, at least as long as that baby is growing up because she's going to be calling me Grammy.

See, it's not all bad. If I hadn't been trying to create community for the past ten years, I wouldn't have Emma and Davey and Avianna.

I don't have to say yes just because someone says they want to be here. I used to think I did. Well, maybe it's because blufire is SO RIGHT about people actually being ready to change their lives so completely and come here. There just aren't very many folks actually strong enough to take the challenge. LOTS of people SAY they want to do it. But very few actually want to. Usual reasons are 1. children have to finish school (what's so damned sacred about school anyway?) 2. Can't leave my job, 3. Can't sell the house, 4. Have to take care of mom or dad. Of the 4, the only one that flies with me is the fourth one. I couldn't leave my mom either. But, school isn't going to be worth much when people haven't been taught how to hunt, fish, trap, grow, gather, and raise food. And school isn't going to be at all valuable to someone who doesn't know how to start a fire without matches. Same for the job and the house when they have no way to heat it, get water, get food, stay safe from gangs, etc. ad nauseum. Oh well.

So, anyway, extensive questionnaire, interview, visit, trial period, damage deposit - all part of the scenario. Decision made by four of us at least, with serious input from son, daughter, and in laws. No one gets up here on my sayso alone ever again.

I'd love to find a family that wanted to live in their tipi. I've heard of people like that, but haven't run into anyone. This year, from just a feeling of intuition, I moved out of my tipi early, instead of trying to stay in it until the end of September as I usually do. The tipi flooded. I had moved back into the house a week previous. Yeah - I do that kind of thing often. So, you'd think I could pick the right people. Well, I did with Emma and Davey, I guess. Sigh...

So, there it is. I am trying not to be stupid about it, but am still committed to creating community. We don't have much longer though.

heretogrow
21st October 2013, 01:57
Snowflower,
I cannot take you up on your offer at this time though I would love to. I have quinoa seeds which I would be glad to gift to you and your group for planting, or to anyone else who would like them. They are for 2013 so they will be a year old next year when you plant but they are three varieties all organic. I was not able to secure the land I wished to for planting so if you or anyone having a farm pms me with your address I will mail them to you for future planting. Think of it as planting seeds of hope that such a community will come together and thrive.

Much Love,
Julia

Snowflower
21st October 2013, 02:01
I"ll do that, thank you, Julia. I'd love to plant some quinoa. I tried chia seeds this last summer. They grew more than six feet tall - but didn't make one single flower. I guess they need a hotter climate to flower. So, maybe quinoa will work. Thank you.

Sunny-side-up
21st October 2013, 02:26
Hi Snowflower might I suggest letting people have holidays with you then you can see if your guests are compatible/safe.

BTW check out Avalon member Strat's post :)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64618-What-to-do-move-stay-or-get-an-associate-s-degree&p=746889#post746889

Hope you form a strong community there Snowflower, your place and you sound great.

heretogrow
21st October 2013, 02:33
You are very welcome Snowflower! Muck luck and much love with your proposal!

Julia :)

Delight
21st October 2013, 03:50
Hi Snowflower,

I have a freind who has always been smart about the important basic old timey knowledge: just everything related to these skills. She is in her 70's and has prepared seriously for many events predicted. I tell her that her preparation is probably changing the need for us to prepare. She loves her skills and focus. You sound like her! I am sure you have contributed your energy to help the whole of us feel more capable. And it must be fun to live where you live. It must be breathtaking.

In my life, I have been trusting to know conviction and confidence. I AM certain Creator wants only our best. We will have a smooth transition into more congenial cooperation. Life is good! No one can dissuade me though I see the temptations to doubt. Life can work out best expressed because we are happy doing it. No other reason works well.

I think about this idea all the time...that I can imagine living in a very safe and comfortable place with no hardships and enjoying the work of doing all kinds of lovely practical and impractical things. I would really enjoy having a community around like the one I imagine.
Blessings,
Maggie

TigaHawk
21st October 2013, 05:01
Waiting to jump at that oportunity should it appear at a location in Australia. I definately would not like to move to the US, as tempting as that offer may be!

spiritwind
21st October 2013, 13:32
I love what you are trying to do and have had similar thoughts. But I also agree that putting it out there is kind of risky. Yes, you could attract some wonderful people but, as most of us have experienced, it is just as possible to drag yourself down with the growing number of needy people looking for an easy way out.

I am a believer in community and community building but I am now to the point where I am just going to keep doing what I am doing and see what comes my way. Strange, but sometimes it seems as though, like John Lennon said in a song, life is what happens to you when youíre busy making other plans. I used to get discouraged by the fact that so many are willing to talk about community building but independent and isolating behaviors have been so encouraged that it is almost as if we have forgotten what we used to know not that long ago, maybe a hundred years.

I recently joined a local meet-up group in my area for people who do see what is coming and want to reach out, share info, get to know one another now. This group is new and even just a year ago I would have been hard pressed to know how to connect in a local way with those around me who have similar interests and outlook on what is to come. I figure this may allow an opportunity to arise in which I will meet those whose path it is now time for me to cross.

I put things in motion this past spring that brought many dramatic changes to my life but did allow me to get to where I really wanted to be, in a rural area on 40 acres where I can keep our little projects going and will all lead to more self reliant potentials being available. In other words, we can probably just stay right where we are and be fairly okay under most circumstances. But, Iíve never just wanted to look out for ourselves. I also know that forces are at work in my life that are much bigger than what I can see.

You have now put your intention out there so that in itself gets the ball rolling in my opinion. I would proceed with caution, though. Maybe start a meet-up group that would allow you to meet local folks who share your concerns and interests, maybe have even already been doing some of what you are doing, by way of being self reliant. Then you can see who you really feel drawn to, comfortable around, and feel you can work with. This past summer has tempered me with a good deal of realism about the true state of many peopleís inner worlds. My experience has shown me that many do not hold up well in trying circumstances and then others will surprise you in a good way. I will be a lot more cautious in my future dealings with people as a result but that doesnít mean I donít trust anyone anymore. Iím just a lot more careful about just whom I want to bring home with me. While it was educational it is very draining and distracting to have to deal with very unstable people.

CD7
21st October 2013, 15:10
Wow what a generous offer snowflower....very touching :)

Interesting tht strat was just thinking about his future plans....and then this thread came about.

So its great to have this out there for those who are invisioning this type of move and feel this is strongly in their heart the way to go---you've given them an open door :)

Ron Mauer Sr
21st October 2013, 16:33
The idea of inviting people to stay on the property, people not yet known, people who have not done any prepping, feels very uncomfortable to me. Yet I very frequently think of how shelter could be arranged on my property in central Virginia.

Is it a smart idea to extend that invitation to:


Those who do not bring sufficient food with them?
People who cannot bring a simple shelter (tent, RV) with them?
Those who prefer an expensive smart phone to an inexpensive pay as you go phone, but do not have even a little cash for stored food or a water filter?
People who have not given prepping any thought or planning?
Those who expect hard times but who are unwilling to change lifestyles to save cash for prepping?

I do not want the learning experience of dealing with dysfunctional behavior.

For me, it feels better not to go public with offers of land to share. That would attract too many dysfunctional people and I do not want the learning experience of solving those kind of problems.

I expect that those who need to be here will find me. I do not need to go looking for them. Hopefully those who arrive here will include those who have done some prepping, love gardening, enjoy food preparation and a have variety of other needed skills.

Those who prefer an established (1967) intentional community in central Virginia may find a home at Twin Oaks (http://twinoaks.org/). Copied from their website:
"We are self-supporting economically, and partly self-sufficient. We are income-sharing. Each member works 42 hours a week in the community's business and domestic areas. Each member receives housing, food, healthcare, and personal spending money from the community."

Snowflower
24th November 2013, 04:31
I received the seeds with Joy from Julia, and will plant them in the spring, saving all the seeds to increase the next year's crop. Thank you, Julia.