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white wizard
26th October 2013, 17:57
0j6BVVlRuEU

Well Fox news fires back at Russel instead of addressing the issues they try and

destroy his character. :tsk:

Robin
26th October 2013, 18:28
AHHHH my poor ears!!!

It pains me to hear the pathetic rambling of the Mainstream Media and the jokers who support the system and refuse to believe that the US is run by psychopaths.

They should be ashamed of themselves. It sometimes hurts to call myself an American by associating with these knuckleheads...

Sabrina
26th October 2013, 18:44
Gosh they´re thick...what a pathetic excuse for a TV station...and a boringly old fashioned agenda... think the UK stations would be slightly more balanced and questioning (just slightly)... He must have them on the run to be fighting back like this. I don´t know anyone who would take this seriously - my US mates must be so more superior interllectually than Fox lol...

Wind
26th October 2013, 18:48
What else would you expect from Faux news?

Dorjezigzag
26th October 2013, 18:56
Its not just the mainstream that are doing this, many in the alternative media are sharpening their swords.

This is the way it often goes unfortunately, we will see it happening on Avalon as well

By the way the below does not represent my opinion, I have huge respect for russell.


t's always amazing to me how so many people who consider themselves to be 'awake' - still consider their beliefs being stated on the mainstream by a celebrity as being a higher accolade/validation, than any other outlet/research, or even their own convictions.

Russell Brand is a pseudo-intellectual, overpaid, middle-class, media luvvie who is put out there by the BBC and the Guardian to make you forget all about Jimmy Savile and to quell your anger in a delusional state that he is 'waking others up'.


http://thomassheridanofficialblog.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/russell-brand-isnt-waking-people-up-he.html

Limor Wolf
26th October 2013, 19:03
This may sound a little improbable to most ears, but there is some chance that Brand's recent making to the headlines followed by being snipped into pieces is done with courtesy of the same hand in order to evoke an energetic clash in society.

white wizard
26th October 2013, 19:07
I saw a major back lash against Bill Wood when he came out with his info. This is

usually a sign that the person has really p@%$$#* off TPTB and they send

their minions to dilute and pollute the message with non sense. I mean really

it was almost comical the way they tried to discredit this guy on Fox news. I

actually felt like I was watching little kids in high school.

giovonni
26th October 2013, 19:42
aah ... http://www.skype-emoticons.com/images/emoticon-00112-wondering.gif

T Smith
26th October 2013, 19:45
AHHHH my poor ears!!!

It pains me to hear the pathetic rambling of the Mainstream Media and the jokers who support the system and refuse to believe that the US is run by psychopaths.

They should be ashamed of themselves. It sometimes hurts to call myself an American by associating with these knuckleheads...

Just because you live under the same criminal regime doesn't mean you should be ashamed to be an American. This program is only propaganda. From a Madison Avenue perspective, the brilliant thing about this particular brand of propaganda is the talking heads and mouth pieces likely buy into their own delusions. This makes it more confusing to those trying to make sense of the current system, and it renders the false paradigm more believable.

The main problem with this type of rhetoric is the debate is framed on non sequiturs to begin with so everything said is pretty much useless. Some valid points are made (e.g. redistribution of wealth requires force and tends toward totalitarianism), but then this truism is uttered on the assumption that the current system, which the adversary position rightly criticizes, is free market capitalism. What? What country are you living in?

There is no free market in America; anyone who subscribes to that belief is misinformed and washed in a false paradigm. The American model is purely fascism; it is a Transnational Corporate Cartel smothering and dominating (in an Alpha role) a non-functioning Constitutional Republic founded on free-market principles. That is to say, the cartel allows the Republic to exist in a quasi-functional state, i.e. it condones some of its free market principles, it allows some of its laws to remain in tact, and it grants some of its constitutional rights to its citizens, so long as those specific free market principles and those laws and those rights do not infringe upon the lawless agenda of the global cartel.

Akasha
26th October 2013, 19:49
Much as I love Russell, cruising around in a Range Rover Vogue doesn't exactly reinforce his proclaimed abhorrence of "filthy" profit.

http://static.liputan6.com/201211/russell-brand-range-rover-121116.jpg

Dorjezigzag
26th October 2013, 19:52
0j6BVVlRuEU

Well Fox news fires back at Russel instead of addressing the issues they try and

destroy his character. :tsk:

I'd love to see these characters actually present these opinions to Russell's face, they would not think themselves so smart and clever then.

It's easy to attack someone when they are not there to defend themselves.

By the way Russell has been interviewed by Alex Jones, who of course is a libertarian on several occasions, just because from his perspective at the moment he sees socialism as a solution does not mean he will not listen and discuss with people with other viewpoints.

Flash
26th October 2013, 20:05
Much as I love Russell, cruising around in a Range Rover Vogue doesn't exactly reinforce his proclaimed abhorrence of "filthy" profit.

http://static.liputan6.com/201211/russell-brand-range-rover-121116.jpg

I thought so, you are from Hungary. My first thought when I read your post was "this is written by a European". I was right lol.

In America, every second neighbour cruises in those vehicles, nobody would really see harm in it, they would not even think of it. Was that picture taken in America???? IF it is bad, every second neighbour in America is (which may be the case but not the point here). I just ran in something like that last week in the US, my friend have two of them in their entrance. lol

You have to remain in context.

Flash
26th October 2013, 20:16
Fox has not changed, what did you expect?

Carmody
26th October 2013, 20:49
Its not just the mainstream that are doing this, many in the alternative media are sharpening their swords.

This is the way it often goes unfortunately, we will see it happening on Avalon as well

By the way the below does not represent my opinion, I have huge respect for russell.


t's always amazing to me how so many people who consider themselves to be 'awake' - still consider their beliefs being stated on the mainstream by a celebrity as being a higher accolade/validation, than any other outlet/research, or even their own convictions.

Russell Brand is a pseudo-intellectual, overpaid, middle-class, media luvvie who is put out there by the BBC and the Guardian to make you forget all about Jimmy Savile and to quell your anger in a delusional state that he is 'waking others up'.


http://thomassheridanofficialblog.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/russell-brand-isnt-waking-people-up-he.html

I don't care who says what about what, or who says what about who.......as long as the subject is out there, in major media...right in people's faces.

Dorjezigzag
26th October 2013, 21:16
I don't care who says what about what, or who says what about who

I think saying you don't care is a bit extreme, this is the problem with the world, lack of care, but attacks like this are water of a ducks ass to Russell, but some could not handle it, but and as you say it is drawing attention to the issues and attackers always end up making themselves look bad in the end.

Its the power of 3
You point the finger and there is always 3 fingers pointing back

Akasha
26th October 2013, 21:18
Much as I love Russell, cruising around in a Range Rover Vogue doesn't exactly reinforce his proclaimed abhorrence of "filthy" profit.

http://static.liputan6.com/201211/russell-brand-range-rover-121116.jpg

I thought so, you are from Hungary. My first thought when I read your post was "this is written by a European". I was right lol.

In America, every second neighbour cruises in those vehicles, nobody would really see harm in it, they would not even think of it. Was that picture taken in America???? IF it is bad, every second neighbour in America is (which may be the case but not the point here). I just ran in something like that last week in the US, my friend have two of them in their entrance. lol

You have to remain in context.

I'm English and that's a £90 000 vehicle.

spiritguide
26th October 2013, 21:26
If Socialism is your bag, Red China and Russia await you. Mao and Stalin have a place waiting for you at the Party where the Politburo is god and defiance means death. Both arguments on each side are sponsored by the same entity. Remember divide and conquer. IMHO

Peace!

Carmody
26th October 2013, 21:29
It's important to remember that none of these 'systems' have ever appeared on this planet in a way that is not corrupted.

Ie, Democracy, capitalism, socialism, communism, etc..none of them have ever appeared in a functional uncorrupted form.

Shezbeth
26th October 2013, 21:33
It's important to remember that none of these 'systems' have ever appeared on this planet in a way that is not corrupted.

Ie, Democracy, capitalism, socialism, communism, etc..none of them have ever appeared in a functional uncorrupted form.

Agreed. I suggest the problem lies in that in the face of abundance (perceived or literal) an as-yet undisclosed percentage is want to take liberties and/or entitlements. Such things are always viewed as 'negligable/insignificant' to the ones taking, yet often(always?) amount to significance especially to those who lose out as a result.

gripreaper
26th October 2013, 21:37
You, me, Russell, and close to 7 billion others on the planet are at the bottom of this pyramid structure

http://lh6.ggpht.com/-37n91pFB9mk/UBDNE7San9I/AAAAAAAABtE/O8M3quevmys/7-24-2012%252520The%252520More%252520We%252520Learn%252 520-Pyramid%252520of%252520Conspiricy%252520-_thumb%25255B2%25255D.png?imgmax=800

In order to keep us there, the top provides entertainment, social discourse, divisive memes to debate and argue, and all manner of socialization. They control both sides of the dialectic and do not care what we talk about or debate, as long as we remain good little slaves and don't do anything of substance to change the structure of this pyramid.

So, barking and throwing stones at the castle walls is encouraged. Stirring the pot is all part of the dialectic and serves to vampire energy and dissipate social unrest so that no amalgamation of anything useful can develop, or enough cohesiveness and unity can develop to effect any change.

Good job Madison Avenue. Edward Bernays would be proud.

onawah
26th October 2013, 21:44
If that was taken while Russell was traveling around the US, it would probably only mean that he was driving a van that would allow him, as he stated he wanted to do, to see the country he was touring and get to know the people. It might also be more economical to do it that way.


Much as I love Russell, cruising around in a Range Rover Vogue doesn't exactly reinforce his proclaimed abhorrence of "filthy" profit.

http://static.liputan6.com/201211/russell-brand-range-rover-121116.jpg

skamandar
26th October 2013, 22:18
You, me, Russell, and close to 7 billion others on the planet are at the bottom of this pyramid structure

No Russel is not at the bottom of this structure. At the bottom of it are people struggling day to day to provide food and pay bills. He does not qualify for the bottom I think.

Dorjezigzag
26th October 2013, 22:24
If Socialism is your bag, Red China and Russia await you

Socialism is not communism, for examples of functioning socialist models the Scandinavian countries are good examples.

but..
I actually think a functioning community is not about the system it is about the people, and this is why a community should be based on spiritual values not political ones. I have intended to write a thread on this for a while.

Flash
26th October 2013, 23:14
If Socialism is your bag, Red China and Russia await you

Socialism is not communism, for examples of functioning socialist models the Scandinavian countries are good examples.

but..
I actually think a functioning community is not about the system it is about the people, and this is why a community should be based on spiritual values not political ones. I have intended to write a thread on this for a while.

Bravo, absolutely, it is about people.

And add Canada to the socialist countries, where business is nevertheless flourishing. Why are socialist countries mostly in the North, why do we think differently????

Flash
26th October 2013, 23:21
Much as I love Russell, cruising around in a Range Rover Vogue doesn't exactly reinforce his proclaimed abhorrence of "filthy" profit.

http://static.liputan6.com/201211/russell-brand-range-rover-121116.jpg

I thought so, you are from Hungary. My first thought when I read your post was "this is written by a European". I was right lol.

In America, every second neighbour cruises in those vehicles, nobody would really see harm in it, they would not even think of it. Was that picture taken in America???? IF it is bad, every second neighbour in America is (which may be the case but not the point here). I just ran in something like that last week in the US, my friend have two of them in their entrance. lol

You have to remain in context.

I'm English and that's a £90 000 vehicle.

Yes, as I said, European. You are European too. American rent these beasts for one, they are cheaper here as well as gaz is cheaper in USA than anywhere in Europe.. A different mentality, a different culture (base on petro).

You have never seen the American roads, this vehicle could not be handle in British roads for one. Second, USA covers certainly over 100 times the British land surface. In British small car, your back would be washed out within 2 weeks of constantly travelling extremely (for Europeans) long distances in USA. Beware if you ever travel in USA past the age of 35 lol. For me, 3 hours is normal, 5 a bit far and 8, I start thinking of not doing it in one stretch. Those are the distances.

For once, believe those living in that continent (America), if you have not seen it, it is very difficult to understand the distance and space differences. My own country covers 6 time zones and going from one end to the other means about 6 hours boeing flight time. This is the same time than crossing the Atlantic and longer than crossing the whole of Europe, to cross only one country, Canada. You see, wide wide spaces to travel, big cars.

it also tells me how misperceiving we may be when judging anybody who has had different experiences.

I love Russel Brand, he is giving all of us a great service and he does not have to speak his truth like that, he does it because he thinks it is right. Period.

soleil
26th October 2013, 23:44
i dont think his rental is an issue...honestly. theyll look for anything to say bad about him. i like rb and those who get him get him.

Snowflower
27th October 2013, 00:01
In spite of wanting to puke at the vile attack, I'm delighted with the Fox "News" skit, because it almost guarantees that RB's rhetoric will not disappear overnight. By attacking him, they help spread his message further.

I was also delighted to watch because Clif high from half past human called it just this morning in an essay published on his website. One quote from it:


The Powers That Be, and their minion-slave-victims only have one weapon, mental distraction ...with a hope (for them) of being able to use the confusion to their advantage. You will note this is THE approach on all their teevee/media debates. They ONLY rely on distraction as a tactic. They have no other. Their position is inherently weak, they know this, and never try to defend themselves, only to attack you for attacking their position. (re-read and note the subtle distinction). They deliberately try to goad you into adopting their tactics; that is, they want you to attack them personally.

Essay can be read here: http://halfpasthuman.com/essays/debate.html

bluestflame
27th October 2013, 00:12
remember the saying " don't throw out the baby with the bathwater" ?


I rekon if there IS a hidden agenda it just may backfire cos things don't seem to work the same

ghostrider
27th October 2013, 00:34
We can't have someone speaking in defense of the middle class or the poor now can we ??? must smoosh that down quick or else the viewers might get motivated and start to learn just how corrupt the system really is then they will turn off the telly and maybe read a book or go stand against injustice somewhere ... We need them to consume , obey , sleep , and stay tuned for the next 19.95 gadet they don't need but , first a word from our sponsors ...

jackovesk
27th October 2013, 01:12
Educating the public masses, as to how the MSM carefully 'Scripted' 'Hit-Piece' attack (ANYONE) who challenges their beloved (Corporate Control System)..!

Fox News Reporters Quotes - Read the 'Scripted' quotes carefully



"He used to be so funny, now he just an ass!"
"Now he doesn't have Katie Perry, now he just a nobody!"
"How can you take this guy seriously, he's just a comedian!"
"He hasn't bathed in 10 years Kimberley, his Lice have Scabies!"
"I think a lot of young people are going to look at this and say, what are you talking about? This makes no sense!"
"He's so exhausted and frustrated with the system, he can't vote. What is wrong with this guy, I can't take it anymore!?"
"He wants to influence young people, but he doesn't even want to get up in the morning to go an vote!"
"If he feels that strongly, he should give all his $money away!"
"What he's advocating is that all academics e.g. in Mao's or Stalin's regime that caused the deaths of 100s of millions of people, he's advocating that!"


PS - :thumb:'s Up to (YOU) Russell for (Bringing this out in the open) enough to bring forth the
(Corporate 'Scripted' Rebuttal), tells me just (1) thing...


Keep it up Russell, (YOU) are doing a (FANTASTIC) job bringing these (CORE ISSUES) out into the (FULL VIEW) of the public!
(WELL DONE) mate...:yes4: :yes4: :yes4:

Sunny-side-up
27th October 2013, 01:14
Ill I'm hearing from the guy is:
He thinks the world is being killed by the powers as are!
He thinks the current system is Cra#p and want's a change!
He said he hasn't got it all worked out but! he is aware there are many, many people with alternative ways far better qualified to run the planet than those who are running it in to the ground!

Let us see how far this goes, see if anyone else joins in with him.
Yes he is seen driving a big gas guzzler wagon, he's a film star after all! but if this goes the distance we will see if he puts his money where his mouth is!

Love and Hugs all

Flash
27th October 2013, 01:18
Ill I'm hearing from the guy is:
He thinks the world is being killed by the powers as are!
He thinks the current system is Cra#p and want's a change!
He said he hasn't got it all worked out but! he is aware there are many, many people with alternative ways far better qualified to run the planet than those who are running it in to the ground!

Let us see how far this goes, see if anyone else joins in with him.
Yes he is seen driving a big gas guzzler wagon, he's a film star after all! but if this goes the distance we will see if he puts his money where his mouth is!

Love and Hugs all

he already did put his money where his mouth is.

if you see him becoming rather poor, it is because he did.

I do not think he will be Rolling in more gold, precisely because of what he is saying.

jackovesk
27th October 2013, 01:21
Much as I love Russell, cruising around in a Range Rover Vogue doesn't exactly reinforce his proclaimed abhorrence of "filthy" profit.

http://static.liputan6.com/201211/russell-brand-range-rover-121116.jpg

Talk about (Missing-The-Target)...:faint:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OxJTCv7atw

PS - I just simply (Do Not Understand), some people's shallow (Thought Process) here...:confused: :faint:

jackovesk
27th October 2013, 01:26
Ill I'm hearing from the guy is:
He thinks the world is being killed by the powers as are!
He thinks the current system is Cra#p and want's a change!
He said he hasn't got it all worked out but! he is aware there are many, many people with alternative ways far better qualified to run the planet than those who are running it in to the ground!

Let us see how far this goes, see if anyone else joins in with him.
Yes he is seen driving a big gas guzzler wagon, he's a film star after all! but if this goes the distance we will see if he puts his money where his mouth is!

Love and Hugs all


Let us see how far this goes, see if anyone else joins in with him?

:confused:

Isn't this why most of us joined the Avalon forum, to help bring (Awareness & the TRUTH) to the masses..???

Exactly like Russell is doing, yet on a smaller scale...:yes4:

Taurean
27th October 2013, 01:44
0j6BVVlRuEU

Well Fox news fires back at Russel instead of addressing the issues they try and

destroy his character. :tsk:

Gosh, those clowns and bimbos were straight out of the cast of Hunger Games

Flash
27th October 2013, 02:18
Much as I love Russell, cruising around in a Range Rover Vogue doesn't exactly reinforce his proclaimed abhorrence of "filthy" profit.

http://static.liputan6.com/201211/russell-brand-range-rover-121116.jpg

Talk about (Missing-The-Target)...:faint:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OxJTCv7atw

PS - I just simply (Do Not Understand), some people's shallow (Thought Process) here...:confused: :faint:

Hilarious Jacovesk. I am happy to see your wit here.

ceetee9
27th October 2013, 02:56
It's important to remember that none of these 'systems' have ever appeared on this planet in a way that is not corrupted.

Ie, Democracy, capitalism, socialism, communism, etc..none of them have ever appeared in a functional uncorrupted form.And this is precisely why we need a complete paradigm shift in how we live with and address one another. Any human political system that has a few controlling and living far above the many is, and will forever be, corrupt. That is unless, of course, there is some spontaneous and miraculous positive spiritual change in human nature. But then if that occurred we would already be living in peace and harmony with each other and nature and all these current governmental systems would just be a dim and unpleasant reminder of our adolescent past.

00Sheri
27th October 2013, 03:29
Yep!! I agree

Crazy Louie
27th October 2013, 05:27
Akasha - thank you for the great laugh - you are totally right - he is just more of the dog and pony show to keep us floundering around and doing our seal clapping for treats "ark ark ark" imitation. More useless mindless jargon exchange between two imposters pretending to be humans.


"but but Brand is doing something at least." ---------"ya getting paid to make the rounds playing the profound antiestablishment radical." yawn

panopticon
27th October 2013, 06:14
Well that piece from Fox has changed my mind.

Brand is obviously a deluded celebrity pseudo intellectual with no idea of how the world really works.

As he said how dare he write all this:


from my velvet chaise longue, in my Hollywood home like Kubla Khan, drag my limbs from my harem to moan about the system? A system that has posited me on a lilo made of thighs in an ocean filled with honey and foie gras’d my Essex arse with undue praise and money.
Source (http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/10/russell-brand-on-revolution)
How dare he indeed!

It certainly explains why he said this in his New Statesman article:


The riot in question came when I was working at MTV and for the first time in my life had money, which to me was little more than regal letters to be delivered to drug dealers.
Source (http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/10/russell-brand-on-revolution)
Obviously he's deluded as are all those Communists who write for the New Statesman!

The Fox bloke was completely right about a bigger pie giving everyone a bit.

The more money that's created the more there is to share! Simple really.

What? Devaluation? Quantitative easing? Hyperinflation?

Not a problem, there's plenty of money to burn...

http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/files//2008/12/dark-knight-burning.jpg

Ellisa
27th October 2013, 06:59
Those Fox people are very much removed from reality. Do they REALLY think that wealth is not finite but can just keep going forever, growing bigger as greed takes over. Extraordinary!

Also, as someone else has pointed out Nazi does not equate with Socialism. Nazi = Fascism. If you need to denigrate Socialism the word to use is Communism. but that is now ridiculous.

And to all those screaming on the Fox discussion-- you distribute wealth by increasing taxation on the wealthy and use it to provide facilities for the less-wealthy. Examples are Health Services, schools, universities, hospitals, roads, law enforcement, environmental care, state pensions, housing, defence etc. Everyone can use these, and others, without charge. For many places in the world this is their population's experience everyday. But Russell is right. We need to be sure we do not lose what we have, and his decision not to vote is just silly. The vote is our way of protesting, or ensuring our wishes are heard. The bizarre results in the recent elections here in the Australian Senate indicate the way that individual voters still matter.

enfoldedblue
27th October 2013, 07:02
One thing many of us here have figured out is that the game manipulators have been able to maintain their success for so long because they play BOTH sides. By placing agents on the 'good 'bad', 'left' right', etc they ensure that they can lead movements in ways that ultimately benefit their agenda. Based on the way they play I would expect them to be advancing a really cool good looking person, with a slightly rebellious nature, who offers 'some' truth that people can relate to...an appealing voice for the disgruntled slaves. Hopefully Brand is a free agent speaking for himself, and advancing in the spotlight on his own steam. However, I feel that knowing the way the big boys play it might be wise not to get too caught in the sway of a 'movement'. A few years ago I would be thinking Russell was a hero and be telling everyone I know to listen to the important things he has to say. Now I choose to stand back and watch.

Ultimately I don't think we need heroes anymore. We need to stop focusing on people on outside pedestals and learn to recognise the hero within. This is how the game will really change.

edit

I also forgot to say that I don't think these old tricks work the way they used to in this new energy. Spreading the truth...will only wake people-up regardless of if there is a negative agenda behind the movement.

KiwiElf
27th October 2013, 07:52
FOX News? We call it the "NAZI Propaganda Channel" here ;)

Cidersomerset
27th October 2013, 08:07
I like this poster....Of course he will be ridiculed by the mainstream.


http://www.thedailysheeple.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/new-statesman.jpg

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/russell-brand-there-is-going-to-be-a-revolution-it-is-totally-going-to-happen_102013

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64719-REVOLUTION..Vibrant-provocative-interview...Russell-Brand-interviewed-by-Jeremy-Paxman-BBC-Newsnight....&p=749671#post749671

risveglio
27th October 2013, 08:12
Those Fox people are very much removed from reality. Do they REALLY think that wealth is not finite but can just keep going forever, growing bigger as greed takes over. Extraordinary!

Also, as someone else has pointed out Nazi does not equate with Socialism. Nazi = Fascism. If you need to denigrate Socialism the word to use is Communism. but that is now ridiculous.

And to all those screaming on the Fox discussion-- you distribute wealth by increasing taxation on the wealthy and use it to provide facilities for the less-wealthy. Examples are Health Services, schools, universities, hospitals, roads, law enforcement, environmental care, state pensions, housing, defence etc. Everyone can use these, and others, without charge. For many places in the world this is their population's experience everyday. But Russell is right. We need to be sure we do not lose what we have, and his decision not to vote is just silly. The vote is our way of protesting, or ensuring our wishes are heard. The bizarre results in the recent elections here in the Australian Senate indicate the way that individual voters still matter.

Voting might do something in Australia but it doesn't doesn't do **** here. Also, the government is horrible at everything you listed above.

panopticon
27th October 2013, 08:28
Voting might do something in Australia but it doesn't doesn't do **** here.

Doesn't do much here either.

The bizarre results in the recent Federal election actually show how our votes don't matter. It was the complex preference deal system that got the Victorian Motoring Enthusiasts Party and the Democratic Labour party elected. These preference deals meant that someone with only 0.23% of the overall vote almost gained a Senate seat in WA (source (http://www.abc.net.au/news/federal-election-2013/results/senate/wa/)).


Also, the government is horrible at everything you listed above.

Ditto.

There's an old saying: Sh!t floats to the top.
-- Pan

Poly Hedra
27th October 2013, 09:09
I would suggest that everyone who can goes and buys the issue of The New Statesman. I'm hoping there will the a huge amount of sales and it will be hard to deny that the lower echelon minions (us) have not taken heed to what Russell has to say. fyi: almost everyone I know on fb has posted that interview and there's a bit of a running joke about how many people have actually posted it on their page.
The lamestream media is defunct and we are witness to the last dying gasp of an outdated way of thinking.

edit:
Almost every single post on that video is priceless and encouraging. I dont know if its me but it seems to me that the comments before would have been a mixture of positive and negative but now they are about 90% positive and aware.. yay!:)
Here are some examples:

"Someone please put these people in a spaceship on a one way ticket to the Sun. I don't think I could handle this much stupidity in a lifetime let alone in a 8 minute video, I bet if they were any more dense, a black hole would form.They couldn't have missed the point that Russell Brand was trying to make any more, even if they tried. What a complete and utter embarrassment to the human race, even the animal kingdom is pointing and laughing at them, These people are really too stupid to insult!"

"Fox news is a large part of the reason republicans are stupid, and will remain so, so long as they continue to submit themselves to this psychological dictatorship"



:) :) :)

Snowflower
27th October 2013, 09:20
In the 18 years I have interacted online via discussion forums and social networks, I have never before seen one specific story splashed across the page on every single outlet I have access to. That interview of Russel has sparked more reaction than anything else ever has - even exceeding Edward Snowden revelations! I believe the truths he spoke in that very short segment have awakened a sleeping giant: the people of the world.

risveglio
27th October 2013, 10:13
"Fox news is a large part of the reason republicans are stupid, and will remain so, so long as they continue to submit themselves to this psychological dictatorship"



It's exactly what MSNBC has done to Democrats. I like it when they wear masks, oh wait, we are talking politics. Always get that confused.

Also, Fox has Stossel and the Judge and they are the only decent people worth listening to on any of the 24 hour news stations, though they do try to hide them.

Sunny-side-up
27th October 2013, 12:31
I wish my dear old dad was here now to see this. He fought in WW2 and because of his views about that he used to say to me any time a politician was mentioned ' give them all a gun, put them in a big field and let them shoot it out between themselves (They cause the problems), then when you have one left alive SHOOT it':rolleyes: He didn't like politicians lol!
My view on that is that it's the Political Systems now that need to be killed off but not just replaced with a NWO; which this whole process is all part of! If we all scream 'Down with Political systems' where dose that leave the PTB? just where they want to be!
We are on the right track but we need to put out strong statements and ideas for all to hear of New-Way-To-Live concepts (Get rid of cash for one thing) If I wasn't long term ill and in so much chronic and at time acute pain; well I would work in a system based more on service as the rewarding motive)(Enough resources here to give every being a little home (as a birthright) with base needs supplied, if you want a bit more (IE say the MK2 version of a TV set ETC) do extra service(Maybe working in a TV factories for a month or 2!)), New-Way-To-Overview-The-Whole-World and get it and us healthy again!
We Sooo Need it! Right-Hear_Right-Now.
Any surplus wealth (as it was put) needs to be spent on the Earth and including New technology and concepts for humanity, to help humans survive and thrive as a whole!

Many years ago as a kid I used to be so upset with our world and the way it was ; I used to see so much great technology and wondered why we were still stuck in the victorian days and ways, we could and should be so fantastic now!

Well personal views aside we can all agree on 2 main things:
1) We need use our Earth's resources right now to save our Earth, while we still have such resources! (am I right in thinking that?)
2) we should be a One-World-Wide-Great-Species now!

Krist
27th October 2013, 15:47
If any thing rb is saying has any real value his career should hit rock bottom and his credibility will be destroyed......stay tuned

Flash
27th October 2013, 15:54
If any thing rb is saying has any real value his career should hit rock bottom and his credibility will be destroyed......stay tuned

This is my thought too, although I do not wish this to him. I think the media thought they could control him.

I criss crossed Britain last summer and I was amazed at the number of comment I had on the crooked government, thiefts, etc. I would not even mention anything but would be given these comments.

I do think people are awaking to the corruption of the elites. How much they understand from it, I do not know, but they are becoming aware of having been fooled.

The only country where I do not see this in mass yet is the USA, and probably English Canada. In French Canada, loads of corruption came up this year, loads and load, so people are quite aware of what is going on.

American are so ingrained into patriotism that they cannot come to terms with "we have been hijacked" yet.

Taurean
27th October 2013, 16:12
If any thing rb is saying has any real value his career should hit rock bottom and his credibility will be destroyed......stay tuned

I think he's already been down that route on more than one occasion and come back smelling of roses.

spiritguide
27th October 2013, 22:09
Distracted are we, well the new world order is manifesting in this direction. Where do you think they want us. When Brand goes to the front of the protest lines, then I might listen to his babble, until then he is all talk no action. IMHO

Read this and ponder...

The trap of Marxism/Socialism continues

Posted by Ed Mattson

There are weekends when it would be nice to pick a subject to write about that doesn’t include the government and the mischief in which they always seem involved. Whether it’s a House or Senate Bill; backroom dirty deal trying to sneak one over on the 50% of Americans who are waking up and catching on to the devious means our elected officials use to reinforce their power fiefdom; or simply disclosing the never-ending schemes government uses that are steep in waste, fraud, and abuse, the story need to be told. Washington’s Politburo, and their sycophantic bureaucratic parasites make for such ripe pickins’ that is impossible to ignore.
If you have been tagging along keeping up with my most recent columns you know I have been advocating taking ALL our politicians to the woodshed for their actions, inactions, ignorance, and destructive behavior that is allowing Obama and his Regime to steer our country’s ship directly into a financial Armageddon built on the failed beliefs of Karl Marx and the socialist band of ne’er do wells that have taken over the Democrat (AKA Progressive) Party.

So stupid has Washington become that yesterday I had to take a detour to discuss government’s latest attempt to “change the Obamacare subject”, by creating a controversy over the Marine Corps cover (hat). It seems that with the monumental problems facing our country, to get embroiled in an attempt to feminize the Marine Corps, though it was immediately denied by the powers to be, is just another example of how out-of-touch Washington has become. There seems to be little awareness by those inside the Beltway that our country is headed over the cliff, as they malinger around rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

It’s a fact that that the private sector hires the BEST and the government goes after the REST.

So now it’s time to get back to issue of why I believe our country is falling prey to the failed tenants of Marxism/socialism. It’s not an overnight conversion, but a slow creeping cancer-like blob, that firsts begins its infestation in time of social and economic malaise which all economies go through, making promises to the most vulnerable, that success is a zero-sum gain. You cannot have success in life without gaining that success on the backs of others. The goal of all Marxism and Marxism-like systems is to separate the target audience (the citizens) into class-envy groups; by creating classes of victims that due to no fault of their own, are victims “of The Man” or other villain most often portrayed as a bourgeoisie class.

Once they can get a foothold on such errant thought, the never ending march forward to discredit and denigrate everything good about the society in question, and make gradual, almost unnoticeable changes, which unless recognized for what it is, will overwhelm the target before it can be effectively halted. The Marxist game plan, though it has not a single example of success, focuses its attention on key areas of society as I began pointing out in my previous article, The Trap of Marxism/Socialism:

1.Take control of Healthcare so you can control the health and vitality of the citizenry.
2.Provide the public with so many free services with promised for many more to make everyone dependent on the government to maintain even the most minimal of existence. In short, create a “lowest common denominator” as the highest level of achievement.
3.Redistribute the wealth through a tax system that punishes success and rewards failure as there will always be more failure than success under any economic system.
4.Confiscate either through taxation or through police power, private ownership of land and personal property.
5.Abolish the ability to pass wealth from one generation to another by prohibiting or taxing inheritance out of existence.
6.Control the country’s credit mechanism which makes it impossible for economic growth of the private sector; and if not possible to totally control that avenue of growth, create rules, regulations, and standards that make it impossible or too costly for the private sector to afford.
7.Control the nation’s currency and monetary systems with the ability to control inflation (the value of the currency) and the amount of money in circulation through an agency that is above audit and accountability and shrouded in secrecy.
Continuing to identify the targets of a Marxist-socialist agenda, no subversion of a free society would be complete without addressing religious thought, a cohesive “family unit”, the education system, freedom of the press, controlling factories and instruments of production, and control of the workforce…
● Destroy religious thought; the eruption of secularism; the devaluation of life (pro-abortion crowd applauding government funded abortion and the support of euthanasia); and attempt of less than 3% of the US population to force the country to remove “God” from Christmas, Easter, money, and the legal system.

“Religion is the sign of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. The first requisite for the happiness of the people is the abolition of religion.” Karl Marx

Most red-blood Americans are angry and profess outright hatred of the secularists that though less than 5% of the U.S. population has waged an unending attack on the First Amendment which states:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

The secularists are on a constant rampage about the word “God”, claiming the mere mention is an attempt to establish a religion. This is absurd. The Founding Fathers for the most part, were aware of enforced church theory from the experience of the Colonists fleeing King George and the Church of England, the official religion of the time. The First Amendment prohibits establishment but clearly states that the people cannot be prohibited from the free exercise of religion, and even extends to the right to peaceful assembly to practice one’s religious believes. To anyone with an ounce of common sense, this would include Christmas, Easter, and other religious holidays.

Not to be argumentative, I have no problem with the secularists working at their jobs on religious holidays which, if they truly believed in their cause, would do so gladly and keep their mouths shut. I also have no problem with a government which tries to enforce secularism on the general population, to fore-go religious holidays and work straight through without benefit of any time off. To me this makes them atonable for their ignorance in the first place!

Link to rest of article...

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/10/27/the-trap-of-marxismsocialism-continues/

Peace!

wolf_rt
28th October 2013, 04:17
The youtube comments tell the story... not long now...

Ellisa
28th October 2013, 05:33
Actually Pan, the Senate results do show how much the Proportional Representation used in the Senate relies on bizarre chains of votes and incredibly small margins for victory. When combined with billionaires who are able to buy these votes we see the truly dire results. I must admit that it does upset quite a bit, though my hope is that it is so blatantly wrong that the inquiry into the last election (which is held after every election) will recommend a change, The bizarre fact is that the whole farcical situation is completely legal under this crazy voting system.

As for the services not being provided in the US--- well I think we all understand that they are not. Russell Brand's point (and I agree with him) is that a wealthy country like the US ought to be able to provide for its less fortunate citizens, and taxing the wealthy may be a good pace to start. The fact that people think that here in Oz we are doing really badly indicates that perhaps they have no idea what it is like to really have no infrastructure to help you if you become ill, lose your job,want to study at University-- or, if you are lucky, grow old, for example. However that is not to say that there does not need to be improvement--- only I can't see anything good happening over the next 3 years!

Akasha
28th October 2013, 10:13
Talk about (Missing-The-Target)...:faint:


Ridicule me if you like, Jack, I don't mind. As I said, I love the guy. It's always encouraging to watch the awakening of someone in the public eye and I feel sure he will refine his perspective as he progresses along his path.
I'm particularly impressed by his transition to veganism too, not to mention his ability to get into full lotus!!!

http://www.spiritvoyage.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/CK0_0406.jpg

Incidentally, he became vegan after watching the documentary, Forks over Knives (http://www.forksoverknives.com/), which traces the personal journeys of Dr. T. Colin Campbell, co-author of the China Study (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study) and Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, a top surgeon at the Cleveland Clinic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Clinic) and examines the profound claim that most, if not all, of the degenerative diseases that afflict us can be controlled, or even reversed, by rejecting our present menu of animal-based and processed foods.

Forks over knives is not available on YouTube but can be watched via the website for a small fee, or via Pirate Bay for those short of a bob or two.

panopticon
28th October 2013, 11:16
Actually Pan, the Senate results do show how much the Proportional Representation used in the Senate relies on bizarre chains of votes and incredibly small margins for victory. When combined with billionaires who are able to buy these votes we see the truly dire results. I must admit that it does upset quite a bit, though my hope is that it is so blatantly wrong that the inquiry into the last election (which is held after every election) will recommend a change, The bizarre fact is that the whole farcical situation is completely legal under this crazy voting system.

As for the services not being provided in the US--- well I think we all understand that they are not. Russell Brand's point (and I agree with him) is that a wealthy country like the US ought to be able to provide for its less fortunate citizens, and taxing the wealthy may be a good pace to start. The fact that people think that here in Oz we are doing really badly indicates that perhaps they have no idea what it is like to really have no infrastructure to help you if you become ill, lose your job,want to study at University-- or, if you are lucky, grow old, for example. However that is not to say that there does not need to be improvement--- only I can't see anything good happening over the next 3 years!

Well said Ellisa and I understand your position and agree with most of your post.

We should never compare Australia to a 3rd world country (that is unless we're talking about the conditions that indigenous Australians live in).

The good running condition of Australia has very little to do with Government and its legislation and more to do with:

the quality of the people who supply service provisioning (public servants, private contractors etc),
the egalitarian nature of Australian society (again, nothing to do with Government) and
the reasonably fair judicial system that is largely unhampered by political manipulation (though I am worried about the recent developments in Queensland and agree with Fitzgerald's analysis of this (www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/opinion-tony-fitzgeralds-verdict-on-the-tough-newman-government-law-and-order-crackdown/story-fnihsr9v-1226747871408)).


In relation to Government in Australia being "good"...

Here are just a few examples that illustrate my point.

Local Government:

The entire Wangaratta Council was recently sack 'because of rampant bullying and intimidating behaviour towards staff and councillors and waste of ratepayers funds' (source (http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/wangaratta-council-sacked-over-toxic-culture-20130918-2ty76.html)).


State Government:

The afore mentioned introduction of draconian legislation in Queensland aimed at gaining the popular vote (that is what a democracy is after all). This rushed legislation, done with virtually no legal advice, involves restricting an individuals right of association, locking people up for 23 hours a day (solitary confinement), not permitting employment in certain industries and introducing extended sentencing that is beyond the control of the judiciary. This is aimed at "Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs" but to do this to any segment of a population is a slippery slope that scares the sh!t out of me.
Mr Eddie Obeid and the on-going ICAC investigation into cronyism in the NSW State government under Labor (source (http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=919289)).
In Tasmania almost 50% of the population is functionally illiterate and lack of transport for children in some parts of the state makes accessing a school for years 11 & 12 a 5 hour trip per day.


Finally at the Federal level there's:

the bloody insulation installation fiasco (4 needless deaths)(source (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/rudd/story-e6frg6nf-1226747555698)),
the mining tax (get the billionaire mining magnates [what Senator Cameron refers to as the 'Rolls-Royce revolutionaries (http://www.openaustralia.org/senate/?gid=2011-11-22.99.1)'] to design it, yeah, what could go wrong?)(source (http://www.smh.com.au/business/henry-junked-as-miners-do-the-numbers-20100702-zsd3.html)),
the NDIS looks about to get assigned to Medibank Private,
another Government thought bubble seems to want to close Centrelink offices and have them run out of Post Offices (my local post office can't even get the mail in the right box so what hope is there),
the new audit that's being done at the behest of the Coalition which will probably advise for more privatisation and
the 8.8 billion dollars the Federal Govt just gave to the Reserve Bank that has economists just scratching their heads.


Anyway, I still think Australia is a lucky country, but its not because of the Government, it's in-spite of them and mostly due to the good honest people who work to make it that way.

No Australian has to look back far in their memory to know what I'm talking about.

For anyone who made it this far here's an excellent article (that fits in with Brand's perspective) that was written by the economist Alan Kohler titled: The Moral Bankruptcy Of Our Ruling Classes (http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2012/8/13/politics/moral-bankruptcy-our-ruling-classes)



But for me, if there was one dominant, overriding theme over the conference it was that most of the world, if not all of it, is now governed by rich elites who are just out to look after themselves - oligarchies.

And the key problem of Planet Earth these days is that this is no longer confined to the non-democracies: the nations that are nominally democratic (United States, Europe, UK, Japan, India) as well as those that are fundamentally undemocratic (Russia, China) are all now ruled by wealthy oligarchies.

Capitalism has failed to deliver for the poor and the middle classes.
...
The great danger facing the world is that both collectivism and individualism, democracy and one-party rule, have produced the same outcome: oligarchy. "And if you have a society in which only a few win, the rest get together.”
Source (http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2012/8/13/politics/moral-bankruptcy-our-ruling-classes)

Krist
28th October 2013, 14:27
If any thing rb is saying has any real value his career should hit rock bottom and his credibility will be destroyed......stay tuned

I don't wish this for him,and do enjoy the show.It is very difficult to discern his sincerity ,he is a comedian /actor in the limelight .Nothing is presented mainstream by accident it seems.

KiwiElf
28th October 2013, 14:37
An actor/entertainer/celebrity can wield enormous "power" if they're popular enough and their message strikes a chord. (The downside of that is say,.. John Lennon or Marilyn Monroe, or Princess Diana) Nonetheless, each served to awaken the masses in a positive if not traumatic way. I wish Russell well and to keep up his efforts for as long as it will take. May others join him. The positive change - "the quickening" revolution - has begun! :)

WhiteFeather
28th October 2013, 14:48
AHHHH my poor ears!!!

It pains me to hear the pathetic rambling of the Mainstream Media and the jokers who support the system and refuse to believe that the US is run by psychopaths.

They should be ashamed of themselves. It sometimes hurts to call myself an American by associating with these knuckleheads...

You took the words out of my mouth. These Mainstream Assclowns give me the creeps to say the least. its all a part of mainstream 3 ring circus. Thats why i have chosen to throw my Tell Lie Vision out of the window.

childs hood end
28th October 2013, 15:03
. May others join him.

there must be loads a limelighters who wont to speak out but cant let go of the good god like life... may Russell Brand spark a new wave among them.
Let the nock on effect begin :cool:

Hazel
29th October 2013, 03:40
Mmmm panopticon and other such detractors..

I'm surprised at your vilifying of Brand and his uses of humour and willingness to sattire himself in the equation.. just seems a tad one-eyed, when others such as myself may see it as him humbling the edifice of his ego, while plating-up his own 'sins' and egocentricities... to the call of the task at hand. Isn't that the brilliance of what the best comedians do in their archetypal role as quase fool/visionary: presenting themselves and the rest of us up for the mirror of social hypocracy/idiocy/complacency.. etc, etc

But.. respect your right to detract - naturally :eyebrows:

Hazel
29th October 2013, 04:56
Oooops panopticon...

due to a PM alert :nerd::shocked:... l must retract you as included in my response to "detractors" of Brand in my previous post

that'll teach me to speed read n' jump like a rat out of a sewer

love your work by the way :rapture:

panopticon
29th October 2013, 05:00
My post in question is this one and for anyone else who didn't understand it was firmly tongue in cheek:


Well that piece from Fox has changed my mind.

Brand is obviously a deluded celebrity pseudo intellectual with no idea of how the world really works.

As he said how dare he write all this:


from my velvet chaise longue, in my Hollywood home like Kubla Khan, drag my limbs from my harem to moan about the system? A system that has posited me on a lilo made of thighs in an ocean filled with honey and foie gras’d my Essex arse with undue praise and money.
Source (http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/10/russell-brand-on-revolution)
How dare he indeed!

It certainly explains why he said this in his New Statesman article:


The riot in question came when I was working at MTV and for the first time in my life had money, which to me was little more than regal letters to be delivered to drug dealers.
Source (http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/10/russell-brand-on-revolution)
Obviously he's deluded as are all those Communists who write for the New Statesman!

The Fox bloke was completely right about a bigger pie giving everyone a bit.

The more money that's created the more there is to share! Simple really.

What? Devaluation? Quantitative easing? Hyperinflation?

Not a problem, there's plenty of money to burn...

http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/files//2008/12/dark-knight-burning.jpg

-- Pan

ulli
29th October 2013, 10:37
The main question I ask myself here is
'Does watching Russell Brand make ME consolidate my personal views,
or help wake ME up in any way, shape or form?
Does his articulateness inspire ME to become more empowered,
and to learn how to fire back at those who aggressively represent and defend the status quo?

If the answer is 'yes' then I need to thank Fox for grilling him to the point where all of this can come out.
Of course, those who choose to identify with the reporters have that right, too, for whatever reason.
I just can't judge others, who knows at what point they are in their life's journey...

It's important to remember not to let oneself be manipulated
into becoming too identified with either side here,
as that would only feed into their divide-and-conquer agenda.

music
29th October 2013, 14:09
Classic mind-control. Paxman, in black, black band running slightly up to the left from floor to ceiling (sinister), quasi-demonic lighting and facial hair, representing the old guard/paradigm and good ole Old Nick. Paxman has always been a shill for the UK establishment. Brand, to his right, a heart-shaped vase suffusing him with green heart-chakra light. Brand dressed like a cross between Jack Sparrow and Jesus, chirpy revolutionary banter, bucking of authority, etc.

They always have their bases covered. One base is the potential pseudo-messianic facilitation to the NWO. Michael de Rothschild is another such sham messiah trial run. Keep those bases covered boys.

Krist
29th October 2013, 15:11
If any thing rb is saying has any real value his career should hit rock bottom and his credibility will be destroyed......stay tuned

I think he's already been down that route on more than one occasion and come back smelling of roses.
Do roses smell like money?

Carmody
30th October 2013, 15:46
my question, in the context of this going public..is..who is standing up with him? What public person is joining him and is that person being allowed to reach others, or is this a well controlled ostracization tactic at play, in the individual aspect of the group mind of humanity?

See what I mean, right here. In the video you will see how it happens in the individual and then the group sense.

to do the opposite.

To not allow the second person or force(s), to appear, via utilizing media manipulation and control. To ostracize so that no one attempts again, as a form of control in keeping any motion toward what Russel is doing, to keep it...down.

That second motion or force, it needs to appear..now.

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Lets say that a large group of people supported Russel Brand and they went to the streets. What you would find, due to the 'second person' effect in individual and developing crowd psychology, is that the major media would create and enforce direct lies about any mass support of Russel brand.

Major media would never, under any circumstances, ever allow the public to be informed that such a group supports Russel's viewpoint.

Watch the video and you you will know exactly how they (major media and societal manipulation) operate, and why they operate that way.

Major media will always present the nutbar and the nutbar's view and show that no one comes to the nutbar's aid or side, at the same time major media illustrates individuals (with their followers/crowd) ridiculing and ostracizing the 'nutbar'.

Control of the masses is all about running and controlling the undercurrent of the intellect, controlling the emotional underpinnings of the individual (and thus the creation and flow of thought) and how the individual integrates with others (to form the crowd).

The risk of the second person, which is no less than that of the first...that legitimizes the idea/motion ....and then more individuals come into it, to create the movement. Crowd psychology 101. (this was probably Edward Bernays most favored set of tactics. see the documentary series 'century of the self')

in effect, major media, as an elitist tool.... MUST isolate Russel brand and make SURE that person number two (be it a group or individual) -- never emerges on the public stage.