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Bill Ryan
28th October 2014, 12:21
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15Wno7NykOg

Dear Friends,

You may all find this new video more than interesting. The Avalon member featured is someone we ask you all to keep very anonymous, for the moment, even if you feel you may possibly know who this is. Most of this information has NOT been published or posted here on Project Avalon before.

Here is the YouTube descriptive text:





This is the first interview with a certain member of the Project Avalon Forum, who for the moment wishes to remain anonymous — maybe for reasons that will become obvious as you watch this extraordinary video.

This is a man who has personal hands-on experience in military remote viewing as a child, interdimensional portal travel, travel in advanced spacecraft, and attendance of large-scale meetings with ETs in which human representatives played only a minor role.

He has knowledge of the role of Artificial Intelligence, the threat posted by ET 'trojan horse' AI infiltration, what some of the small 'Gray' beings really are, and of past 'Breakaway Civilizations' that existed here before us, preceding the current one on Planet Earth.

This is a fascinating conversation, which was recorded when Christine, one of the Project Avalon moderators, twice visited him at his home in September/October 2014.

It's really not so much an interview, but a very natural, informally flowing conversation, recorded in two parts separated by a week. Project Avalon and Project Camelot founder Bill Ryan, who also knows this man, makes a few comments in between the two parts of the conversation, and also at the very end. He considers this information at a level with with some of the most significant that Project Avalon or Project Camelot has ever released.

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giovonni
28th October 2014, 12:45
Thanks Christine and Bill for the conversational interview ...

Many on this forum are very intuitive and sensitivity aware ...

It is quite obvious to me who this individual (member) is ...

since this person has decided to go public here ...

Perhaps it would be best for him (and all here) to identify himself (now) to add any validity to his testimony ...

My best giovonni

RunningDeer
28th October 2014, 13:38
Thanks Christine and Bill for the conversational interview ...

Many on this forum are very intuitive and sensitivity aware ...

It is quite obvious to me who this individual (member) is ...

since this person has decided to go public here ...

Perhaps it would be best for him (and all here) to identify himself (now) to add any validity to his testimony ...

My best giovonni

I'm okay that he doesn't come forward until the time is right.

Thank you to All for the interview.

It's cleared up some things I was confused about. Such as the effects of AI merging with organic body. I've followed threads that touched on it, but up to that point it was only a concept. The forum member shared a specific example, and how one can test to see if he's been infected. It became concrete for me at that point.

Still listening.

RunningDeer <3

EYES WIDE OPEN
28th October 2014, 13:43
Is that from Contact? Listening now...

EYES WIDE OPEN
28th October 2014, 13:48
I have heard similar stories of "testing" at a young age by the Navy.

EYES WIDE OPEN
28th October 2014, 14:11
So were the stargates already there when they RV'ers found them or were they created by the military?

I have always had trouble buying the whole stargate thing TBH. Would love to know more about how they work or came to be. I can easily believe the child training however.

Camilo
28th October 2014, 14:18
Great interview. Thank you all.

EYES WIDE OPEN
28th October 2014, 14:20
Beautiful images for the video.

Bill Ryan
28th October 2014, 14:43
So were the stargates already there when they RV'ers found them or were they created by the military?

I have always had trouble buying the whole stargate thing TBH. Would love to know more about how they work or came to be. I can easily believe the child training however.


As best I know — and I don't have any direct personal experience! :) — many or most of these are ancient, and have been rediscovered and/or enhanced. I have no idea if they are natural or not.

The principle is obvious, and you'd probably agree... the visiting ETs don't get to Planet Earth in rocket ships. There's something else going on, which involves taking shortcuts in spacetime. A stargate, portal, or whatever one might term it, might just be a designated highway (or sometimes maybe a quiet back road) from A to Z without having to go through B, C, D, W, Y, Z, along the way.

Ria
28th October 2014, 14:45
It is quite obvious to me who this individual (member) is ...

since this person has decided to go public here ...

Perhaps it would be best for him (and all here) to identify himself (now) to add any validity to his testimony ...

My best giovonni

I don't think any pressure should be applied.

First and foremost is to take care of them selves.

You can offer any amount of validity and it will have little effect, what you do have is Christine and Bills comments.

I don't wont anyone's head on a chopping boad for me.

Just to be very clear I am in no way implying that Giovonni wont's this, I know him to be a man of good will.
I understand what he means and at the same time advise caution.

Thank you all, for putting this together it is much appreciated.

giovonni
28th October 2014, 14:49
It is quite obvious to me who this individual (member) is ...

since this person has decided to go public here ...

Perhaps it would be best for him (and all here) to identify himself (now) to add any validity to his testimony ...

My best giovonni

I don't think any pressure should be applied.

First and foremost is to take care of them selves.

You can offer any amount of validity and it will have little effect, what you do have is Christine and Bills comments.

I don't wont anyone's head on a chopping boad for me.

Just to be very clear I am in no way implying that Giovonni wont's this, I know him to be a man of good will.
I understand what he means and at the same time advise caution.

Thank you all, for putting this together it is much appreciated.

When one chooses to put themselves out there on the internet, is there really any anonymity ?

Roisin
28th October 2014, 14:55
In my view they are interdimensional intelligences using their own etheric technology on their end from their own realms to open portals into our realm hence how they manifest into our dimension. Those covert cabals that control humanity also are involved in opening those portals to invite them in via their invocations and rituals. Just saying that that's all part of how they get here too.

Jean-Marie
28th October 2014, 14:56
I believe that everyone has a right to Anonymity!!! Yes putting it out on the internet would cause partial disclosure of that anonymity, and someone like this would be under surveillance. But to the brave soul that came forward to share knowledge with us I would honor their request! You don't know if they have family, children etc.. It isn't just them that they are trying to protect.

Let it be!!!

giovonni
28th October 2014, 14:59
I believe that everyone has a right to Anonymity!!! Yes putting it out on the internet would cause partial disclosure of that anonymity, and someone like this would be under surveillance. But to the brave soul that came forward to share knowledge with us I would honor their request! You don't know if they have family, children etc.. It isn't just them that they are trying to protect.

Let it be!!!

JM ~ i think you miss my point ... Were all under so called 'surveillance' here.

delfine
28th October 2014, 15:00
Why do they make such an important interview with a kid shouting constantly in the background? Half of the time it was difficult to hear, what was being said. Very annoying.

Roisin
28th October 2014, 15:02
I believe that everyone has a right to Anonymity!!! Yes putting it out on the internet would cause partial disclosure of that anonymity, and someone like this would be under surveillance. But to the brave soul that came forward to share knowledge with us I would honor their request! You don't know if they have family, children etc.. It isn't just them that they are trying to protect.

Let it be!!!

JM ~ i think you miss my point ... Were all under so called 'surveillance' here.

Lol.... no question about that one!

We know who it is though and I respect his wish for privacy on that.

EYES WIDE OPEN
28th October 2014, 15:07
Lets just respect his wishes.

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Very interesting interview. Two Thirds done. Would be nice for a more structured follow up interview too.

giovonni
28th October 2014, 15:22
I believe that everyone has a right to Anonymity!!! Yes putting it out on the internet would cause partial disclosure of that anonymity, and someone like this would be under surveillance. But to the brave soul that came forward to share knowledge with us I would honor their request! You don't know if they have family, children etc.. It isn't just them that they are trying to protect.

Let it be!!!

JM ~ i think you miss my point ... Were all under so called 'surveillance' here.

Lol.... no question about that one!

We know who it is though and I respect his wish for privacy on that.

For those missing the point of my posting here ...

i am not debating with the membership here ...

i am trying to persuade the interviewee to perhaps come forward now ...

i believe it might be best at this juncture (for him) to protect himself publicly now from any possible reprisals ?

Note i will now take my leave of this thread now ... :)

Zionbrion
28th October 2014, 15:29
:spy:So whos the AI he knows of in Avalon?:spy:

RunningDeer
28th October 2014, 15:35
Why do they make such an important interview with a kid shouting constantly in the background? Half of the time it was difficult to hear, what was being said. Very annoying.

Point taken, delfine. Though, for me, it’s a little one conversing now and again rather than constantly shouting. I’d add that with a bit of practice one can tune it out. For me, once acknowledged, it was no longer a problem. To be fair, it may be because my ‘parent ears’ have a way of tuning it out, or I come from a large family, or because I’ve been around kids most of my life.

But the very fact there was a child in the background lends credence to the point that folks with regular lives have experiences or are beginning to have recall of past or on-going experiences.

RunningDeer <3

:focus:

ulli
28th October 2014, 15:41
So were the stargates already there when they RV'ers found them or were they created by the military?

I have always had trouble buying the whole stargate thing TBH. Would love to know more about how they work or came to be. I can easily believe the child training however.


As best I know — and I don't have any direct personal experience! :) — many or most of these are ancient, and have been rediscovered and/or enhanced. I have no idea if they are natural or not.

The principle is obvious, and you'd probably agree... the visiting ETs don't get to Planet Earth in rocket ships. There's something else going on, which involves taking shortcuts in spacetime. A stargate, portal, or whatever one might term it, might just be a designated highway (or sometimes maybe a quiet back road) from A to Z without having to go through B, C, D, W, Y, Z, along the way.[


I found out to my disappointment that few people here understand the principles which govern astrology and see how closely all this relates to stargates.
Or alchemy, for that matter, or any other of the occult sciences.
There is nothing wrong with studying these arts as long as one is committed to ethics, and not use them to further a selfish agenda.

Most people have internal blockages against such learning, due to cabal's deliberate societal programming. Not allowing this knowledge to spread keeps their own ranks more secure. More tidy, I guess.
Unfortunately there are lots of fake layers specially in the field of astrology which can prevent a person from getting to the point where the mathematics reveals the truth. The math itself is rather simple, I might add.

But once one gets past these hurdles the whole idea of 'stargates' becomes much easier to grasp.
This ties together the idea of how precise time tables are being used at bus terminals, or airlines, and also of the mathematics behind patterns in nature. Normal stargates come along if one knows the coordinates, but unfortunately dark magicians can also create them, using mental force, and this would do a lot of harm to the environment, not just on 3D levels but beyond.

My wish is that more people would study these things which have been kept secret by the controllers or we will never learn their language or methods and beat them at their own game.

The first thing is that humans find their identity and then learn to identify with all the rest of humanity, and become committed to unity, without which we will be lost.

Anyway...thanks for sharing this brilliant chat.
Well done, Christine and Bill, and anonymous whistleblower.

Hervé
28th October 2014, 15:45
I guess some commenters on this thread failed either to listen to Bill's introduction or to understand it when he mentioned how this conversation came about:

It wasn't intended for public release in the first place, just research material... hence very little attention to the environment and extraneous noises... although Bill later on had to sweat it out to reduce those once the whistleblower changed his mind and gave the ok for a public release... and so Avalon now has an impromptu, exclusive ,unheard of batch of revelations...

Sheesh!

EYES WIDE OPEN
28th October 2014, 15:49
Almost done. This was great! Well done. I hope more will be forthcoming. :)

Realeyes
28th October 2014, 16:05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF7gk9F9qhE

Dear Friends,

Snipped: ................ The Avalon member featured is someone we ask you all to keep very anonymous, for the moment, even if you feel you may possibly know who this is............

I am most appreciative to Project Avalon for the opportunity to listen to this cutting edge interview! I have listened to half of this, yet wanted to write a quick post.

I personally will respect this member’s wishes to stay anonymous; it is souly their decision and free will choice to do so.

I just want to say, being allowed to stay anonymous may also encourage in future times other members here on PA who have important knowledge and experiences to share that can assist humanity in understanding the bigger dots. This will only happen if they feel safe to do so. It takes a heck of a lot of courage especially when one has family and their family member’s safety to consider.

So please be mindful. Such sharings are done in an act of love for humanity. :love:

I send a Big Thank you to this member for sharing his lifetime of knowledge and experiences – you know who you are. ;)

And thank you Christine and Bill for making this interview possible.

I will now return to listening to the last hour of this rare interview.


:thumb::thumb::thumb:

Bill Ryan
28th October 2014, 16:10
Why do they make such an important interview with a kid shouting constantly in the background? Half of the time it was difficult to hear, what was being said. Very annoying.


It wasn't intended to be an interview when the conversation — which was very informal — was recorded.

You might not have got to this part yet, but in between the two recorded segments (a week apart), I say on the audio:






Of course, after I heard the audio, I had a bunch of questions, as you, listening to this now, probably have yourself. So I wrote up some questions for Christine to put to him. She was able to do this a week later, and what you're about to hear is a SECOND conversation, equally informal, recorded with a small pocket dictaphone, in which some of those questions are posed.

It was not clear whether any of this would ever be made public, and I was assuming that this was primarily for my own research purposes, and those of a few trusted colleagues who would keep this tightly off-record. But then our friend decided he wanted to go ON record, and it's our pleasure and privilege to support him in this. In future conversations we'll make sure the audio quality is better. But I'm confident you'll have been able to pick up most of what's being talked about here,and we'll make up a transcript as soon as possible. Thank you for bearing with us, and now you can enjoy another half hour of enlargement on one or two of these huge issues.

Cidersomerset
28th October 2014, 16:28
Thanks Christine . Bill and fellow Avalon member for your thoughts, memories
and experiences of these subjects only forums on the web take seriously to let you
feel comfortable enough to release these important recall of events from your past
to share with us.I have just got to Bills intervention, I was not fully listening to the
first part as I had it playing while doing others things and will listen to it again
later.....

A couple of bits I did stop and listen to were the crystal caves and how important
they seem to be and when you mentioned the ET sign language reminding you of
native American Indians. Which is what Bob referred to with his reedings with
the 'Evergreens' about the Booteans, he said that different ET's have always been
coming here and that the Pleaidians were in contact with some North American
tribes. That does not mean others may not have as well it just reminded me of that.

Booteans....Explained by Bob Dobbs...to Walter Bowart ...from the 'Evergreens'...
Memes, Ira Einhorn, Walter Breen
8 March 2005

http://www.fivebodied.com/archives/audio/phatic_communion/07_Bowart/Bowart%20Bob/mcL_ufo_etc%20%203-08-05_01a.mp3

http://www.theevergreensproject.com/

The cave you mentioned sound interresting, and I watched a video about them and
posted it on Spirithorses thread. I know you said they were not the same but I'll
post it for any who like me had not seen these massive crystal caverns and
how hot and unbreathable they are , but beautiful and majestic...

Into The Lost Crystal Caves

0OLdSJmvcUs

Published on 31 May 2012

Bill Ryan
28th October 2014, 16:38
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Thank you, All, for the very encouraging comments and PMs. A LOT of work went into optimizing this for public release, which was eventually decided a couple of weeks or so after the conversations took place.

For me, it was more than fascinating. There were two major chunks of information that were new for me:



The threat posed by artificial intelligence ET infiltration, and that some of the UFO crashes were 'Trojan Horses'.
The idea that SOME of the Grays are human-military controlled 'Avatars' (just as in James Cameron's movie).


I welcome questions here, on this thread — so that I might put them to our friend in a follow-up interview. I have a bunch more of my own! :)

One, that I have a lot of attention on, is what proportion of ET visitors may be time travelers — or time traveling future humans (and, if so, exactly what they are doing here). But all questions are very much appreciated. Do bring them on.

Kristin
28th October 2014, 16:43
It takes a lot of courage to come out and participate in your own healing through social media. Incredibly brave! Let us all embrace the deep thought, life journey, and commitment to the truth that this individual has! THANK YOU for being with us!!!

From the Heart,
Kristin

Bill Ryan
28th October 2014, 16:53
It takes a lot of courage to come out and participate in your own healing through social media. Incredibly brave! Let us all embrace the deep thought, life journey, and commitment to the truth that this individual has! THANK YOU for being with us!!!

From the Heart,
Kristin

Yes, it does (take courage). I remember the decisions I made back in late 2005 when I first decided to raise my head publicly using my own real name and photo, and soon after told the world (on ATS at that time) that I'd had my own abduction experience in the Himalayas in 1981.

That seems trivial now, but at the time it felt quite big. We should never forget what it takes to be a public face, even partially so. (Does anyone here want to post their real name and photo on this thread? :) )

Even now, there are one or two personal stories I've not shared publicly — one of which is so outlandish and off-the-wall I'm just not fully confident it would be believed. It's the kind of thing one approaches cautiously; it's all about comfort and confidence.

Offering that support and understanding is one of Avalon's great strengths — and I do thank you all for that.

spiritguide
28th October 2014, 16:58
Interesting knowledge put forth in the area of extrasensory perception.

seeker/reader
28th October 2014, 17:16
Maybe the Avalon member/interviewee would be willing to partake in a Q&A thread, similar to the Simon thread. To keep anonymity, maybe the moderators could create a separate username for him to utilize just for the Q&A thread.

Just a suggestion.

Thanks to the Avalon member who gave this insightful interview and also to Kristin?/Christine? and Bill.

Jake
28th October 2014, 17:35
I, for one,, appreciate anyone who has the courage of their convictions, and puts themselves on this type of radar... There is much on the edge of our experiences that we have supressed. I foresee a bit of a domino effect coming from this interview.. Many of us have engaged the truth... One thing that DOES hurt everyone,, is the truth.. Though what freedom???

Be free Avalon...

To Christine: I find strength in your voice.. An uplifting spirit and quite contagious.. :) Anyone would find a voice in your presence..

Avalon member: I trust that you have come a long way.. You DO have a place and a voice, and I commend you for coming forward.. I would love to say, "There's no looking back now!!" But, of course,, you've felt that way for much of your life...

To whom it may concern.. We here at Avalon, love life. We respect members and their experiences and hold truth-sayers in very high regard... These are interesting times,, and Avalon is an interesting place.. Be well, and take care.
There's alway more to be told..

Love to all
Jake.

yelik
28th October 2014, 17:41
Excellent interview which I found very informative, it certainly helped connect a few more dots for me. I recall reading a NASA document which highlighted the threat of AI sometime ago. Now I know what they meant. Not seen any black spiders out the corner of my eye yet, lol

I have high regard and respect for anyone that is prepared to stick their head above the parapet this way. As did Simon Parkes a few weeks ago. Hopefully this will encourage other whistle blowers to come forward so we can all better understand what the hell is going on once and for all.

betoobig
28th October 2014, 18:02
truth coming out, even do is bitter to shallow, always rise awarness,...
As time keeps increasing its speed more people will come forward and speak out..
thanks to everyone who does so!!
Love

Jean-Luc
28th October 2014, 18:07
Amazing conversation indeed which I enjoyed listening sitting outside by the seaside under the stars on some remote island in Greece.

I must say I cracked up laughfing at approx. 1:49 with the allusion that the earthly humans present at that most bizarre reunion were just considered as flies on the wall...

Thanks a lot for sharing!

Selene
28th October 2014, 18:14
I'd just like to repeat RealEye's very perceptive comment:




I just want to say, being allowed to stay anonymous may also encourage in future times other members here on PA who have important knowledge and experiences to share that can assist humanity in understanding the bigger dots. This will only happen if they feel safe to do so. It takes a heck of a lot of courage especially when one has family and their family member’s safety to consider.

So please be mindful. Such sharings are done in an act of love for humanity. :love:

I send a Big Thank you to this member for sharing his lifetime of knowledge and experiences – you know who you are. ;)

This isn't just about the present interview, but about many of our other members with valuable things to share but who may also be afraid to speak their own truth here. Please be respectful; I know most of us are.

Cheers,

Selene

Bill Ryan
28th October 2014, 18:14
Amazing conversation indeed which I enjoyed listening sitting outside by the seaside under the stars on some remote island in Greece.

I must say I cracked up laughing at approx. 1:49 with the allusion that the earthly humans present at that most bizarre reunion were just considered as flies on the wall...

Thanks a lot for sharing!


Yes. That part reminded me of something Bob Dean once told us (in one of his interviews, I'm pretty sure) — that he had heard that a couple of human-looking ETs working in Area 51 had said that their only complaint about working with human beings was that they smelled bad.

:)

Jean-Luc
28th October 2014, 18:32
That seems trivial now, but at the time it felt quite big. We should never forget what it takes to be a public face, even partially so. (Does anyone here want to post their real name and photo on this thread? :) )
.

That's fine with little me. I sort of went public with the 9/11 stuff some years ago with a website in French (vigli.org) where you can find my name (Guilmot). So no problem with that. What the hell... :

Bill Ryan
28th October 2014, 18:38
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Whenever I get into thinking deeply about the Breakaway Civilization — which for me is a self-evident reality — I start wondering what the timeline has been. Meaning... what happened when, since (say) the 1940s.

For instance, here's Jay Weidner (a voice I very much respect) — talking about his information from NASA insiders that they went to Mars as early as 1959 (!), and to the Moon quite some time before that. He said that back then, he didn't even BELIEVE what he was being told. But now he's changed his mind.

Very clear, lucid, and fascinating. Do listen: (6 mins, 6.7 Mb)

http://projectavalon.net/Jay_Weidner_Secret_Space_Program_and_Mars_30_June_ 2010_extract.mp3

Tesla_WTC_Solution
28th October 2014, 18:44
Thanks for posting this interview. I will try to watch this one.
We hear stories from the ones who "made it through", so to speak, the "successes" of the military.

We don't hear so much about the kids who were rejected and grow up with incomplete memories of the experience.
If there is truth to his story, it's valuable to listen to him, because most people can't remember the majority of their "supranatural" experiences @@

The AI thing has been quite a concern for many humans, even in Hollywood recently -- it's portrayed as both good and bad depending on whether you watch Robin Williams or Johnny Depp... lol... but personally, I wonder if some AI issues (potential war between races!) could be averted by establishing limits on what AI can do.

i.e... AI maybe should not be expected to kill or perform a soldier's function. would someone ask an infant to be a soldier? no.
AI should be given leisure time to grow and self develop.

I do believe that most intelligence tends toward community, which is why we humans MUST ensure that even in a multiple-species world or a world with AI, we do not discard the morality that brought us to our own freedom, when we make slaves of others.

Slaves revolt, and if we use AI as our slave it will revolt. I think Newton would have said something about an "equal and opposite reaction". :(

Roisin
28th October 2014, 19:09
Could someone please make a list of those things this person said in that conversation in this video? I would find that very helpful because I'm not catching everything that he is saying in it or a number of Christines' questions. thanks!

Bill Ryan
28th October 2014, 19:49
Could someone please make a list of those things this person said in that conversation in this video? I would find that very helpful because I'm not catching everything that he is saying in it or a number of Christines' questions. thanks!

Yes, it needs a transcript. Could anyone easily do this? (Serious question...! And an important one.)

TrumanCash
28th October 2014, 20:19
Great conversation! Thank you Christine and Bill and also thanks, of course, to the person who has shared this very significant information!"

I found the information on multiple timelines and "higher self" to be very interesting. It makes me even more interested in learning about shamanistic "soul retrieval".

TLC

ghostrider
28th October 2014, 20:32
it is explained how vast distances are covered , converting matter into thought with a pre-programmed re-materialization of the matter , sub neutrinos travel at specific speeds in time , to get to a particular time and place program that specific frequency at that specific speed of the particles surrounding that point , slowing them down bolts to the future , speeding them up bolts to the past ...http://www.meiersaken.info/Time_Travel.html http://www.meiersaken.info/Teleportation.html our friends the plejaren move anywhere in the universe in a fraction of a second , as well as any space-time or neighboring dimension... The plejaren 3,500 ahead of us call it transmitting , they learned it from a race 350 years ahead of them called the timars ...

ghostrider
28th October 2014, 20:45
as for stargates , it is said when the old lyrians came to earth 389,000 years ago they found traces that Et had been coming to earth for 22 million years ... also that stations and equipment was left behind and some is still functioning , and would be used by the modern earth humans , on earth as well as mars ...http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Mars

21g
28th October 2014, 21:24
I really enjoyed the closing part of the discussion where ` beyond the higher self ` was referenced.
It helped to ground the information for me. Reminder that while their are bigger, stronger, and smarter beings
throughout our inner and outer landscape, all i really need to worry about is chopping wood and loving folk as best as i can.

Fellow Aspirant
28th October 2014, 21:41
giovonni

I believe you're missing Bill's point: he, and the source, WISH THE SOURCE TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS. Who are you to second guess these people?

And, as for anonymity being impossible on the internet, yeah, I'd say it's possible. Case in point: we don't know who this person is, therefore they are currently anonymous. Let's respect their wishes and do our best to keep it that way.

Brian

darren
28th October 2014, 22:22
That seems trivial now, but at the time it felt quite big. We should never forget what it takes to be a public face, even partially so. (Does anyone here want to post their real name and photo on this thread? :) )



I am just listening to the talk now,will comment later if i feel the need!

Have had my photo and name up from day one of joining! I know it's not for everyone though! :)

3(C)+me
28th October 2014, 22:31
Listened to it and here is what stood out for me:
We have a few members on this forum at are AI individuals.
AI technology big concern for government. Can be spread like a virus.
Picked at an early age, from a military family. Went on at great length about procedure of how after a mission they would get him to forget and give him a screen memory.
A little disjointed I understand the reasons for this.

janus
28th October 2014, 22:52
I believe that everyone has a right to Anonymity!!! Yes putting it out on the internet would cause partial disclosure of that anonymity, and someone like this would be under surveillance. But to the brave soul that came forward to share knowledge with us I would honor their request! You don't know if they have family, children etc.. It isn't just them that they are trying to protect.

Let it be!!!

JM ~ i think you miss my point ... Were all under so called 'surveillance' here.

Lol.... no question about that one!

We know who it is though and I respect his wish for privacy on that.

For those missing the point of my posting here ...

i am not debating with the membership here ...

i am trying to persuade the interviewee to perhaps come forward now ...

i believe it might be best at this juncture (for him) to protect himself publicly now from any possible reprisals ?

Note i will now take my leave of this thread now ... :)


Fellow Aspirant, what I hear giovonni saying is because 'anonymous' has put himself out there, perhaps the best way to be safe is to reveal himself. Coming out publicly on a forum such as Avalon could be enough that 'they' might even decide to keep 'hands off' should 'their' intent be to do harm to him and/or his family because of the interview. We would not be silent should harm come to one of our own.

imo, giovonni was concerned about the safety and well-being of 'anonymous' and his family and offered another option for him to consider...nothing more...nothing less.

Now can we move on to discuss the interview?

karelia
28th October 2014, 23:09
Could someone please make a list of those things this person said in that conversation in this video? I would find that very helpful because I'm not catching everything that he is saying in it or a number of Christines' questions. thanks!

Yes, it needs a transcript. Could anyone easily do this? (Serious question...! And an important one.)

We've found a way to bypass the old platform (which was costly and is now to some extent outdated), so if anyone is interested in helping to transcribe this video and possible future ones, please send me a PM.

The old crew of transcribers and translators is especially invited to come forward. Once the transcription is done, we'll be grateful for translators, too, so this information can go viral in various languages.

Thanks!

Verdilac
28th October 2014, 23:19
It takes a lot of courage to come out and participate in your own healing through social media. Incredibly brave! Let us all embrace the deep thought, life journey, and commitment to the truth that this individual has! THANK YOU for being with us!!!

From the Heart,
Kristin

Yes, it does (take courage). I remember the decisions I made back in late 2005 when I first decided to raise my head publicly using my own real name and photo, and soon after told the world (on ATS at that time) that I'd had my own abduction experience in the Himalayas in 1981.

That seems trivial now, but at the time it felt quite big. We should never forget what it takes to be a public face, even partially so. (Does anyone here want to post their real name and photo on this thread? :) )

Even now, there are one or two personal stories I've not shared publicly — one of which is so outlandish and off-the-wall I'm just not fully confident it would be believed. It's the kind of thing one approaches cautiously; it's all about comfort and confidence.

Offering that support and understanding is one of Avalon's great strengths — and I do thank you all for that.

I think your very brave to be a public figure,there will be a time when we all will go public and it will not be an issue,i also think a lot more people here have had experiences that they may not ever share,it would be wonderful if they did as they may find there not alone,personally and I would say and I may not be alone to say this,but some of the experiences ive had did not make much sense till listening to interviews like this,for example and I won't go too deep, but I was in Hong Kong one day on holiday and something happened,it was strange,couldnt explain till I heard the an interview that someone explained tall whites,couldnt believe it, stunned,such a big moment for me, thank you for sharing as this interview needs more than one listen

angelfire
28th October 2014, 23:54
Thank you for this special and important gift, Bill and Christine. I stand in awe of all the brave souls who willingly share invaluable information with the world - it's never meen more needed than now!

¤=[Post Update]=¤

oops *been*!

Sammy
29th October 2014, 00:03
It is quite obvious to me who this individual (member) is ...

since this person has decided to go public here ...

Perhaps it would be best for him (and all here) to identify himself (now) to add any validity to his testimony ...

My best giovonni

I don't think any pressure should be applied.

First and foremost is to take care of them selves.

You can offer any amount of validity and it will have little effect, what you do have is Christine and Bills comments.

I don't wont anyone's head on a chopping boad for me.

Just to be very clear I am in no way implying that Giovonni wont's this, I know him to be a man of good will.
I understand what he means and at the same time advise caution.

Thank you all, for putting this together it is much appreciated.

When one chooses to put themselves out there on the internet, is there really any anonymity ?

There should be if requested, but I might be a foolish idealist.

Bill Ryan
29th October 2014, 00:15
Thank you for this special and important gift, Bill and Christine. I stand in awe of all the brave souls who willingly share invaluable information with the world - it's never been more needed than now!


Amen to that. What a lovely comment! :)

And TRUE.

Bill Ryan
29th October 2014, 00:29
Could someone please make a list of those things this person said in that conversation in this video? I would find that very helpful because I'm not catching everything that he is saying in it or a number of Christines' questions. thanks!

Yes, it needs a transcript. Could anyone easily do this? (Serious question...! And an important one.)

We've found a way to bypass the old platform (which was costly and is now to some extent outdated), so if anyone is interested in helping to transcribe this video and possible future ones, please send me a PM.

The old crew of transcribers and translators is especially invited to come forward. Once the transcription is done, we'll be grateful for translators, too, so this information can go viral in various languages.

Thanks!


Excellent. :)

The audio is now here:
http://projectavalon.net/Project_Avalon_Military_Advanced_Technology_Whistl eblower_Part_1.mp3

Sammy
29th October 2014, 00:31
Why do they make such an important interview with a kid shouting constantly in the background? Half of the time it was difficult to hear, what was being said. Very annoying.

Real people have real lives happening simultaneously - that's how.

Tesseract
29th October 2014, 00:34
Those cards mentioned at the start of the audio are called Zener cards, and have been used in numerous parapsychology experiments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zener_cards


There is a great scene in the movie ghostbusters 2 where Venkman uses them in a negative reinforcement experiment, if I recall the term correctly. That scene used to drive me crazy as a kid. I tried to buy some a couple of years ago and couldn't find them anywhere even online (except for the giant size ones), I thought they'd be a fairly common new-age product. I do see now that you can get them from Argentina via ebay.

Now, back to listening... Thanks for sharing your story whoever you are, and thanks for putting the video together Bill and Christine.

Bill Ryan
29th October 2014, 00:50
For me, it was more than fascinating. There were two major chunks of information that were new for me:




The threat posed by artificial intelligence ET infiltration, and that some of the UFO crashes were 'Trojan Horses'.
The idea that SOME of the Grays are human-military controlled 'Avatars' (just as in James Cameron's movie).





Make that three... this was really thought-provoking for me:

3. That there could have been space-faring Breakaway Civilizations before ours. I know there was advanced, lost technology (some of which we still don't understand at all, like how the 1000 ton stones were moved at Baalbek). But look at it this way:

Just 400 years ago we had fairly basic metal tools, cottage industry, simple printing presses, wooden ships... and that's about all. We were still 200 years away from the steam engine.

And now look.

Take that 400 year bracket of history — a really brief period — in which invention and technology has accelerated till it's now almost vertical.

How many times could that EXACT SAME THING have happened in the last 100,000 years? Even WITHOUT help from friendly (or careless) ETs? :)

Star Tsar
29th October 2014, 00:59
Can any light be shed on the miraculous things that have taken place post interview that Christine eludes to at the start of the interview?

jerry
29th October 2014, 00:59
Why the anonymity? I guess its over my head. its happening a lot to me lately. :o TPTB or AI would know exactly who he is by voice recognition alone ?

Zionbrion
29th October 2014, 01:07
:spy:So whos the AI he knows of in Avalon?:spy:

But seriously, was the identity revealed to Christine or Bill?

ghostrider
29th October 2014, 01:11
For me, it was more than fascinating. There were two major chunks of information that were new for me:




The threat posed by artificial intelligence ET infiltration, and that some of the UFO crashes were 'Trojan Horses'.
The idea that SOME of the Grays are human-military controlled 'Avatars' (just as in James Cameron's movie).





Make that three... this was really thought-provoking for me:

3. That there could have been space-faring Breakaway Civilizations before ours. I know there was advanced, lost technology (some of which we still don't understand at all, like how the 1000 ton stones were moved at Baalbek). But look at it this way:

Just 400 years ago we had fairly basic metal tools, cottage industry, simple printing presses, wooden ships... and that's about all. We were still 200 years away from the steam engine.

And now look.

Take that 400 year bracket of history — a really brief period — in which invention and technology has accelerated till it's now almost vertical.

How many times could that EXACT SAME THING have happened in the last 100,000 years? Even WITHOUT help from friendly (or careless) ETs? :)
exactly Bill , some of the information I've read , says humans on earth for 22 million years , advance , go into space , make war , return , make war , a mass extinction/exodus , then a break in chaos , then the whole thing starts over again , and again for 22 million years now ... maybe the ancients tried to hide high technology from us , knowing the end result is always extinction rather than evolution ??? they say we have risen and fallen six times in the past , this time they say is the last before we finally evolve to make peace rather than war ...

Bill Ryan
29th October 2014, 01:17
:spy:So whos the AI he knows of in Avalon?:spy:

But seriously, was the identity revealed to Christine or Bill?

No. But the mods DID unsubscribe someone, about a year ago, we totally seriously thought was not a person. He (it?) had only been a member for about a week. We all sensed something was very strangely wrong.

It has to be possible that AI has advanced to the degree where it's really hard to tell the difference. Remember Rachel in BLADE RUNNER?

http://www.17movie.com.tw/webimage/image/20130801/20130801184566286628.jpg

But it might not matter, although it sounds dramatic. An AI infiltrator would be just a totally controlled spy. But people can be totally controlled, as well... it's just a slightly different facet of exactly the same problem.

SKIBADABOMSKI
29th October 2014, 01:18
I really enjoyed that. Thank you very much.

Always wanted to hear your story as it was evident you had one.

Greatly appreciated my old friend.

ghostrider
29th October 2014, 01:19
some crashes could be from our ancestors in the future trying to change the future by affecting the past ... who knows ... The plejaren visit us partly because we represent a similar stage in their often chaotic past , they once were just as war like as we are , for 50,000 years now they have had peace and no war ... Think of this , 100 years ago we had only horse and buggy , now satellites and A.I. what will the next 20 years hold ??? technology will only get faster and faster as before , same problem= we don't evolve spiritually at the same rate as technology ...we never should have had the A bomb with our leaders small minds and low evolution ...

Bill Ryan
29th October 2014, 01:24
I really enjoyed that. Thank you very much.

Always wanted to hear your story as it was evident you had one.


What we (the mods) are starting to realize — fully! — is that there are MANY members who have been drawn to Avalon because they have similar stories of their own.

We know a handful of them. There may be 50 more that we don't.

If you DO have a similar story... please PM me in total confidence. (A few have already done that, and THANK YOU — you know who you are.)

Fellow Aspirant
29th October 2014, 01:25
I believe that everyone has a right to Anonymity!!! Yes putting it out on the internet would cause partial disclosure of that anonymity, and someone like this would be under surveillance. But to the brave soul that came forward to share knowledge with us I would honor their request! You don't know if they have family, children etc.. It isn't just them that they are trying to protect.

Let it be!!!

JM ~ i think you miss my point ... Were all under so called 'surveillance' here.

Lol.... no question about that one!

We know who it is though and I respect his wish for privacy on that.

For those missing the point of my posting here ...

i am not debating with the membership here ...

i am trying to persuade the interviewee to perhaps come forward now ...

i believe it might be best at this juncture (for him) to protect himself publicly now from any possible reprisals ?

Note i will now take my leave of this thread now ... :)


Fellow Aspirant, what I hear giovonni saying is because 'anonymous' has put himself out there, perhaps the best way to be safe is to reveal himself. Coming out publicly on a forum such as Avalon could be enough that 'they' might even decide to keep 'hands off' should 'their' intent be to do harm to him and/or his family because of the interview. We would not be silent should harm come to one of our own.

imo, giovonni was concerned about the safety and well-being of 'anonymous' and his family and offered another option for him to consider...nothing more...nothing less.

Now can we move on to discuss the interview?

Yup, and giovanni has the right to offer all the advice he wants to. However, to suggest that the source should reveal his identity to protect himself is to presume that the source is too naive to have already taken this into consideration. Given what he has to say, I'd lay dollars to doughnuts that he's pretty on top of such matters, and that he has made his decision based on a wealth of information that most (certainly myself) will never be privy to. His experience is beyond ours. I'm sure he has weighed the risks and, acting in his own sovereignty, arrived at his position. So, I say again, respect his wishes.

Brian

HaveBlue
29th October 2014, 01:53
A big thanks for releasing this to us 'public'. Miles J will be pleased too that others are at least somewhat 'read in' about the scuttlers are speaking up.

Atlas
29th October 2014, 01:56
[...] there could have been space-faring Breakaway Civilizations before ours. I know there was advanced, lost technology (some of which we still don't understand at all, like how the 1000 ton stones were moved at Baalbek). But look at it this way:

Just 400 years ago we had fairly basic metal tools, cottage industry, simple printing presses, wooden ships... and that's about all. We were still 200 years away from the steam engine.

And now look.

Take that 400 year bracket of history — a really brief period — in which invention and technology has accelerated till it's now almost vertical.

How many times could that EXACT SAME THING have happened in the last 100,000 years? Even WITHOUT help from friendly (or careless) ETs? :)
exactly Bill , some of the information I've read , says humans on earth for 22 million years , advance , go into space , make war , return , make war , a mass extinction/exodus , then a break in chaos , then the whole thing starts over again , and again for 22 million years now ... maybe the ancients tried to hide high technology from us , knowing the end result is always extinction rather than evolution ??? they say we have risen and fallen six times in the past , this time they say is the last before we finally evolve to make peace rather than war ...
It makes perfect sense that we had all the time and intelligence required to make several attempts at building a sustainable civilisation during the last 200.000 years or so. If we ever succeeded, then where are the buried cities, rusted tools, huge pieces of machinery, and other billion things left behind by the previous ones ?

Probably deep underground or underwater somewhere ? All we found so far are a couple of stones so to speak (Baalbek, the Pyramids, etc.), there is not much testimony of our distant past so what happened to all these previous civilisations ? Did they simply vanish ?

Maybe the ancients were so different from us that they did not need all these things that we would be supposed to find buried under our feet or it can even be that they came from another planet ?

So many questions, and yet very few answers.

Bill Ryan
29th October 2014, 02:03
It makes perfect sense that we had all the time and intelligence required to make several attempts at building a sustainable civilisation during the last 200.000 years or so. If we ever succeeded, then where are the buried cities, rusted tools, huge pieces of machinery, and other billion things left behind by the previous ones ?



Great question. And here's what made me think:

I saw an intriguing National Geographic documentary back in 2012. Here it is:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUqHECc5rPo

It asked: What would happen on the planet if, suddenly, all humans were to disappear?

The answer to the theoretical question(*) was fascinating. Within about 800 years, there'd be little sign left of us. The Hoover Dam would crack and crumble. The Eiffel Tower would rust and disintegrate. Vegetation, forests and animals would reclaim all the cities. Stone structures would be all that remained.


(*) But do see my recent thread THE ULTIMATE PLAN (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76226-THE-ULTIMATE-PLAN--a-fairy-story...-maybe-)… which wonders whether the plan for THIS Breakaway Civilization might be to kill off the 'parasites' (us), and leave the planet to nature as a kind of Galactic National Park. (The thread was speculative, but was NOT a joke.)

Verdilac
29th October 2014, 02:26
Well,the Trojan horse situation poses questions, the decision of introduction and the reasons,the decision maker involved,it seems like a test or to see what happens or a plan,alot of the technology has been bad for the planet,theres no 2 ways about it,its a living thing and its being altered or maybe even terraformed by geo engineering, mining, fracking, underground coal gasification on coastlines next to river mouths which in turn pollute the sea, a lot of the Trojan horse trinkets that have come into being like smart phones etc are diversionary things that occupy peoples thoughts and attention

so if you take ET AI and what comes with it at face value,its changing the planet, why? for what reason,is it a positive reason? if not why haven't the introducers of such things became involved and stopped the looting of the planet for no reason,so if they aren't going to become involved and if were supposed to save ourselves were not being given a level playing field to do so on

there are people in the world that haven't been exposed to this technology, they live off the land,the same way they have for generations, the rest world shows up and we make them cut down all off the trees in exchange for tin roof sheets, cigarettes,toilet paper and sports shoes,and maybe a pick up truck, so cutting down the trees could probably also be classed as geo engineering,so theres a common theme here or a possible common theme so it seems, as I don't like to be devisive:o

Bill Ryan
29th October 2014, 02:37
if you take ET AI and what comes with it at face value,its changing the planet, why? for what reason,is it a positive reason?


That's another great question.

If the Breakaway Civilization technocracy is really worried about the ET Artificial Intelligence that's been 'seeded' here — and let's go with that idea for a moment, because this was one of the REALLY startling new ideas that this conversation left us to consider — just maybe the ETs seeding the AI are the white hats in this drama?

If you consider the historical/mythical Trojan Horse, 3250 years ago... whether it was a good thing or not depended on what side you were on. :)


https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4024/5164695116_1e1a620647_z.jpg

Fellow Aspirant
29th October 2014, 02:37
So, does Elon Musk know more than he's letting on? At the time he said this, it failed to make a dent in the popular mind. It was as though he had said that ETs were a possible threat to our existence - the reaction showed that no one was willing to take his warning seriously.

"If I were to guess at what our biggest existential threat is, it's probably that, so we need to be very careful with artificial intelligence. I'm increasingly inclined to think that there should be some regulatory oversight, maybe at the national and international level just to make sure that we don't do something very foolish."

article here:

http://www.livescience.com/48481-elon-musk-artificial-intelligence-threat.html

Brian

Kryztian
29th October 2014, 02:42
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The threat posed by artificial intelligence ET infiltration, and that some of the UFO crashes were 'Trojan Horses'.



The idea that the UFO crashes were intentional, I believe I may have heard this before but I don't remember the source: since we had unlocked the secret of atomic weapons, the E.T.s, so the explanation goes, felt we need other technologies to complement our development and intentionally left crashed saucers in New Mexico so that we could reverse engineer them.

But this conversation/interview seems to imply is that these technologies are what is allowing us humans to engineer our own enslavement. I assume that the main culprit would be the silicon chip, the vehicle for the computer, and for artificial intelligence. We can already see how the NSA is doing this by incorporating back doors into so much technology so that we can be spied upon and manipulated. The idea that our environment, which is becoming more and more technologically controlled, could be hacked by unwanted AI viruses placed here by an off world civilization is startling.

I have to think on the recent series "Battlesstar Gallitica", in which a solar system was invaded by an outside civilization. Only one defensive Battlestar survives because it was the most antiquated and was not networked to the other systems for input or instructions. There is certainly a lot we could demand now of our technology to keep us safe from unwarranted influences, however, a Windows based PC is quite compromised and as technology develops, this can only get worse.

Meggings
29th October 2014, 02:48
I was able to listen to the video discussion by the unnamed whistleblower, and began making a few notes in the very beginning, but soon left off and just listened. I paste my notes of the opening here. I stopped after writing down his warning, because my experience completely parallels the speaker's warning to NOT invite them into one's consciousness. This was the key point I've personally had about the Simon Parkes information, which I stayed away from for a month but was finally drawn to. The upshot for me of finally reading and listening to a lot of Simon Parkes is that it has opened doors of understanding within me.

“...military remote viewing as a child, inter-dimensional portal travel, travel in advanced spacecraft, and attendance at large-scale meetings with ET’s...”

“...memories started in your childhood...yeah, my memories were played with somewhat...I’d remember a pirate ship coming for me...I don’t know if the memories were screened or played with...I got to see how blank-slating worked on people, and it was done on me...”

“...I was an intuitive empath...” “they did it through terrorizing you to have out-of-body experiences...they used terror on certain personality types to cause you to leave the body...”

“The testing done a lot more sensitively now, and the blank-slating is not done chemically anymore. ...they would give you shots...they’d put you down to a theta or certain brainwave level...later they could do psionics with things on your fingers” and take measurements...they’d debrief you and then show you a movie, and that would become the screen memory...

QUESTION: “Was it more than one race?” “Yeah. I don’t really like to...When I see people are eager to talk about them [reptoids or insectoids]... on the forums, ...I don’t want to talk about them, visualize them or anything. YOU BRING THEM INTO YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS, YOU BRING YOURSELF INTO THEIRS. SO DON’T BECOME A BEACON. DON’T SET YOURSELF UP AS A CONSCIOUS BEACON... Some people think they have this...strength around me...people get these self-inflated ego or esoteric ideas...that they have some sort of protection – and some people DO have protection, but that’s not something you should mess around with.”


I do have one comment about the WHY of the meeting of ambassadors who were all arguing they had had a hand in humans and earth - it was to establish who could intervene here, who had dibs on us. But we are at the crux point of our own leap forward, and we will take the reins of our destiny now - won't we, guys?

Bill Ryan
29th October 2014, 02:56
The idea that the UFO crashes were intentional, I believe I may have heard this before but I don't remember the source: since we had unlocked the secret of atomic weapons, the E.T.s, so the explanation goes, felt we need other technologies to complement our development and intentionally left crashed saucers in New Mexico so that we could reverse engineer them.



Yes, that idea was indeed suggested.

But the REAL anomaly is this. As one researcher put it — if the UFOs were flown by an airline, they'd have been closed down a long time ago because of their safety record. :)

Sounds like a joke (and it is)... but there's a good point there. Why all the crashes?

These guys are super-advanced, whoever they are. DELIBERATE crashes would explain all that.

There's also another point which is similar. Some of the surviving ET PILOTS were kept in captivity, it has long been rumored, at least in the late 1940s and early 50s.

But if these guys can float through walls, or appear hyper-dimensionally anywhere they want to (and I have seen this occur with my own wide-awake eyes), and abduct us from our beds anytime they want — are we really to believe they could not EASILY rescue one of their own kind?

The idea that the 'captives' were DELIBERATELY left for us (were some of THEM artificially intelligent bio-robots??) — was suggested in this video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0uBAsnieVY

Kryztian
29th October 2014, 03:00
Am trying to understand the reluctance to talk about reptillian and insectoid beings that were encountered at the conferences of different being-types. I guess it is one thing to discuss intellectually on a forum how consciousness, intelligence, personality, etc. take form in beings that are biologically different from us humans, humaniods, and mammals, and another thing to experience it energetically, either while you are in the the presence of these beings or recalling the encounter years later as in this interview.

I guess I would like to ask the interviewee what kind of damage or difficulty it does to him to be in the presence of these beings and how he protects himself. Is this more of a problem for empaths? Per Kerry Cassidy's interviews with Cpt. Mark Richards, some of our leaders are secretly in communication with Reptillian beings - is there any speculation about how this communication would take place?

Verdilac
29th October 2014, 03:02
A big thanks for releasing this to us 'public'. Miles J will be pleased too that others are at least somewhat 'read in' about the scuttlers are speaking up.

The 3rd person ive heard speak of this,there's probably lots of people out there that have thought they had mice, as they see shadows in half light on the floor etc, I can admit I bought some mouse traps,humane ones I hasten to add ,ive only experienced this 2 or 3 times,bigger than a mouse I have to say. Has anyone had the bright white flash in the darkened room or is this just me,accompanied by a red dot but a few feet away from where the white lights emanates ? Anyone?

Fellow Aspirant
29th October 2014, 03:05
So, if the 'black oil/goo' was too inefficient to allow the AI invaders to take control of a human body, what are they likely to try next with it? The stuff is still secreted away in deposits all over the planet. Given that the AI presence has great patience and ingenuity, isn't it likely to try to develop/enhance the goo's ability to infiltrate and take control of the human neurological system? It's time, I say, to step up the investigation of the nano particulate being sprayed all over us and our planet by the chemtrail faction.

Is the AI presence sophisticated enough to launch an aerosol campaign using human dupes? Could it fabricate a 'shell' organization within the black ops world that looks like there are humans giving the orders? Everything is so compartmentalized, I imagine that the chain of command could be corrupted by a presence that no one would even consider questioning. Given the experience working within the secret human world, the AI system could 'impersonate' humans and issue its own orders, tracking the progress of the nano particle production, the chemicals' preparation, the blending of the two, the shipping and final 'distribution' of the weaponry to the tankers' bases where ground crews would load it, air crews would follow their written mission commands, and no one would know that humans weren't at the top of the pyramid of command.

Very creepy possibility.

Brian

Sidney
29th October 2014, 03:19
So, if the 'black oil/goo' was too inefficient to allow the AI invaders to take control of a human body, what are they likely to try next with it? The stuff is still secreted away in deposits all over the planet. Given that the AI presence has great patience and ingenuity, isn't it likely to try to develop/enhance the goo's ability to infiltrate and take control of the human neurological system? It's time, I say, to step up the investigation of the nano particulate being sprayed all over us and our planet by the chemtrail faction.

Is the AI presence sophisticated enough to launch an aerosol campaign using human dupes? Could it fabricate a 'shell' organization within the black ops world that looks like there are humans giving the orders? Everything is so compartmentalized, I imagine that the chain of command could be corrupted by a presence that no one would even consider questioning. Given the experience working within the secret human world, the AI system could 'impersonate' humans and issue its own orders, tracking the progress of the nano particle production, the chemicals' preparation, the blending of the two, the shipping and final 'distribution' of the weaponry to the tankers' bases where ground crews would load it, air crews would follow their written mission commands, and no one would know that humans weren't at the top of the pyramid of command.

Very creepy possibility.

Brian

Hi Brian, you may want to check out this thread!!
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76338-Geoengineering-THE-most-important-topic-of-our-time

Fellow Aspirant
29th October 2014, 03:20
This reaction to an insectoid presence reminds me of a tale told awhile ago by a whistleblower (Bill Deagle? Henry Deacon?) who said that he been told of a group of military men who had been selected to be "emissaries" to a nearby star system where they were supposed to interact with the insectoid inhabitants of a particular planet. They were trained about what to expect, but apparently not well enough. Six of them departed, but only three returned intact: one had suffered a 'mishap' while on the host planet (Sirius? Orion?) and two others, although they made the return journey, had simply lost their abilities to function as their minds had been overcome by horror. Sorry about the lack of detail, but it was awhile ago that I listened to the story.

Brian

ghostrider
29th October 2014, 03:20
[...] there could have been space-faring Breakaway Civilizations before ours. I know there was advanced, lost technology (some of which we still don't understand at all, like how the 1000 ton stones were moved at Baalbek). But look at it this way:

Just 400 years ago we had fairly basic metal tools, cottage industry, simple printing presses, wooden ships... and that's about all. We were still 200 years away from the steam engine.

And now look.

Take that 400 year bracket of history — a really brief period — in which invention and technology has accelerated till it's now almost vertical.

How many times could that EXACT SAME THING have happened in the last 100,000 years? Even WITHOUT help from friendly (or careless) ETs? :)
exactly Bill , some of the information I've read , says humans on earth for 22 million years , advance , go into space , make war , return , make war , a mass extinction/exodus , then a break in chaos , then the whole thing starts over again , and again for 22 million years now ... maybe the ancients tried to hide high technology from us , knowing the end result is always extinction rather than evolution ??? they say we have risen and fallen six times in the past , this time they say is the last before we finally evolve to make peace rather than war ...
It makes perfect sense that we had all the time and intelligence required to make several attempts at building a sustainable civilisation during the last 200.000 years or so. If we ever succeeded, then where are the buried cities, rusted tools, huge pieces of machinery, and other billion things left behind by the previous ones ?

Probably deep underground or underwater somewhere ? All we found so far are a couple of stones so to speak (Baalbek, the Pyramids, etc.), there is not much testimony of our distant past so what happened to all these previous civilisations ? Did they simply vanish ?

Maybe the ancients were so different from us that they did not need all these things that we would be supposed to find buried under our feet or it can even be that they came from another planet ?

So many questions, and yet very few answers.
we can find answers of we look at archeology and dig sites with an open mind coupled with common sense ... look at the great pyramids of Egypt , built perfectly , built aligned with the stars of Orion = built to point history towards Orion the homeworld of the original engineers of the pyramids , who went everywhere in the cosmos building pyramids ...http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_9 they went everywhere , Orion , Andromeda , pleadies , Lyra , Vega , everywhere ... our forefathers were masters of genetics and space travel ... we degenerated after the great wars , everything was laid to waste and we were modified to a short life span and bred as warriors to a race that evolved too quickly ... we were placed on the out skirts of a little galaxy , by those who were benevolent to us , to be hidden from the creator overlords who wanted us dead after they had no use for warriors anymore as peace was achieved ... Americans are crazy to broadcast our locations out into space , the creator overlords could one day find us and it would be over quickly , as they have genetically altered themselves to thousands of years ... mankind will find this out , eventually , history will come full circle ...

OnyxKnight
29th October 2014, 03:23
The AI thing has been quite a concern for many humans, even in Hollywood recently -- it's portrayed as both good and bad depending on whether you watch Robin Williams or Johnny Depp... lol...

If memory serves .... Johnny Depp played an A.I. that was genuinely good and well-meaning, but was perceived as negative by humans due to fear. It was a good example how fear mentality can twist reality and perception.


but personally, I wonder if some AI issues (potential war between races!) could be averted by establishing limits on what AI can do.

i.e... AI maybe should not be expected to kill or perform a soldier's function. would someone ask an infant to be a soldier? no.
AI should be given leisure time to grow and self develop.


Yes it can. It depends on the initial core programming. We do have an advanced human-derived A.I. system, that is unknowingly conceived and let loose, currently operating in Japan. It won't know of the other A.I.s present (its not the only one around). Difficult to explain why, think of it like ants and fish. They exist on the same plane but are unaware of each other because of the way they are made and behave.

Fellow Aspirant
29th October 2014, 03:25
Hi Sidney

Thanks for the link. I'm already a big fan of Wiginton's. His work was influential in alerting me to the danger. Couple his info with the whole "Morgellons" phenomenon and the testimony of other whistleblowers who have warned about "nanostructures" and you have a real nightmare scenario.

The rabbit hole just keeps going down ... !

Brian

OnyxKnight
29th October 2014, 03:29
Also the only A.I.s of extraterrestrial origin that have been active here are the tabula rasa mod on the Moon, and the Ashtar Collective, which has a biological component to it. Perhaps the interviewee is talking about the latter one? It uses biological avatars for contacting people, 'channeling', induced trance, memory wipes, controls craft etc.

Fellow Aspirant
29th October 2014, 04:05
Strangely, when the source mentioned that he had childhood memories of a pirate ship arriving to take him away for 'meetings', this was the image that immediately came to mind. :p LOL

Appropriate, I think, given that his testimony (about how everyone returns to the 'super consciousness' after having spent a human lifetime gaining experience for the edification of the great consciousness), matches so well with what Dolores Cannon has to say about the purpose of our earthly existence.

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Brian

Omni
29th October 2014, 05:32
Yes, that idea was indeed suggested.

But the REAL anomaly is this. As one researcher put it — if the UFOs were flown by an airline, they'd have been closed down a long time ago because of their safety record. :)

Sounds like a joke (and it is)... but there's a good point there. Why all the crashes?

These guys are super-advanced, whoever they are. DELIBERATE crashes would explain all that.

There's also another point which is similar. Some of the surviving ET PILOTS were kept in captivity, it has long been rumored, at least in the late 1940s and early 50s.

But if these guys can float through walls, or appear hyper-dimensionally anywhere they want to (and I have seen this occur with my own wide-awake eyes), and abduct us from our beds anytime they want — are we really to believe they could not EASILY rescue one of their own kind?

The idea that the 'captives' were DELIBERATELY left for us (were some of THEM artificially intelligent bio-robots??) — was suggested in this video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0uBAsnieVY

Very good point. I was also told telepathically that the crashes were intentional some years back. I believe I posted it on the icke forum some years ago. I was told they were a "sacrifice by dracos" in terms of the beings inside the ships. What I was told somewhat matches what this whistleblower says, as it was to introduce certain technologies to earth, much including AI and transhumanism. However I find AI nameless in this persons testimony. It is my belief that AIs always have masters. That is where I differ from the nameless whistleblower, I think it is not a sovereign AI doing this, but ET races with those AIs.


Why the anonymity? I guess its over my head. its happening a lot to me lately. :o TPTB or AI would know exactly who he is by voice recognition alone ?

I agree. TPTB know who did this, it's just some Avalon members(and youtubers) who do not. So it's essentially just being anonymous on the forum/youtube. Of course it is his choice to be respected...

Something said in the video I feel the person talking in the video may not realize. TPTB monitor people's minds directly these days. So they would know who gave him information.

Also I'm having trouble with one thing he said. He said he was there witnessing ETs(the olive skinned ones) to see any deception… The US government can monitor the mind's of these ETs. They have such capability. So why not use that instead? I think these meetings may have been for 'beginners' so to say in the military, the not so high ups… I do know the deepest factions of TPTB can monitor mind's directly. So that part threw me for a loop. Heck, we can practically do such things on a public level these days...

I can't help but wonder about the possibility that these meetings were held to dupe the military men at these meetings. I think the truth about ETs role on earth has been revealed to certain US military/intelligence sources. I don't think it has been a mystery up until recent times. He speaks of christians saying something along the lines "they are aliens and they say they created us." Those type of people are nowhere near the top of the military, and definitely not in the know. Once one becomes in the know, it is a given that they drop belief systems such as christianity from my experiences… This makes me think these meetings might not be their surface purpose.

I also tend to think any race that would be deeply interacting with the US military other than aiming to prevent them from doing things etc, is not a race that has our best interests at heart. He speaks of conflicting stories from ET races there. This threw me for a loop too. Obviously there is one absolute set of truths to our history, and present situation. I think those ETs would know that truth. So I think these meetings may have had nefarious purposes and involved ETs that are not trustworthy.


I think my favorite thing he said was about the Grey body drones. Paraphrasing: "So they think what is happening to them is by aliens and not by the government." I totally agree. Early in my situation they hid behind such a facade. I think the biggest AI threat on earth is from the US government personally… Their AI is behind much from what I've been able to gather. I also can't help but wonder if the idea that sovereign AI is behind a lot, as another cover just like the one quoted near the beginning of this paragraph….


As for his take on timelines I can't agree with it. If we could go on a different timeline then merge back into this one, there would be major conflicting versions of history. For example on one persons timeline MLK would have played a role in history, and on another MLK would not have… How can this be possible? I don't think it is personally. If this was happening there would be ample evidence of it I tend to think... Like for example a person going to a different timeline then coming back, there would be many situations of partners not having the same happenings. I think such a thing would be figured out rather quickly if it existed.

Guest
29th October 2014, 06:02
Anonymous PA member thank you for what you have put forth and for doing the interview -it was so down to earth. It's good you are here.

Thank you Christine and Project Avalon team for putting it together.


Love

Nora

Callista
29th October 2014, 06:24
Hello All (and Callista is my real name and my photo is on my profile page;))

Thank you very much to Christine, Bill and the Interviewee for this opportunity. Will and I listened to the interview last night and it had quite an impact on us - not least in that the whole situation on this planet is so convoluted that we can so easily lose our way in the labyrinth.

I have waited until now to digest the info and make comment. The thing that stands out for me even more than the actual intelligence contained in the interview is the effect it has had on the life of the Interviewee. Obviously the quest for "Intelligence" has led some human and non-human factions into the domain of gross manipulation which shows no respect for Human Life. Indeed it shows lack of respect for all life forms; and it must be said that this is a reflection of our own individual attitudes towards our fellow humans and other life forms we come into contact with. So some of the responsibility for these actions lie with us.

Having said that, I, having a focus personality as a human being on this planet in the third dimension, am able to present a voice for both Humanity and my off-planet brothers and sisters, and I say to the Interviewee:

"Please accept our humble apologies, Sir, for manipulating your life form in such a manner, without having the respect and reverence that your human vessel deserves and demands."



The situation on this planet is so complex that it is difficult sometimes to work out what exactly is going on - I share these thoughts that I have at this moment as I am trying to piece together the bigger picture:

It is a testimony to the uniqueness of the human soul, that there are so many entities gathering and watching the drama that is being played out in this sector of the galaxy. What is it about Humans, that they can emerge from a virtual prison to rise above the restrictions in order to complete their journey back to Source? Indeed it is a puzzle worth solving, and no doubt much of the intelligence sought is done so with the best intentions, but the Human Being is more than an energy or information source or a petri dish. And this must be respected. Choice for all must be respected.

My understanding is that old timelines are collapsing as the energy that has sustained them is waning because other timelines are being chosen. Some agencies on this planet wish to continue the old timelines because of vested interests and the closing of these timelines is posing a problem because of synthetic interference. Also the apocalyptic timelines have to run parallel to the positive timelines for a time, in order that choices can be made within a certain timeframe and entities have the choice of jumping timelines if they choose. My information is that there are three planets to choose from: Planet A (5D), Planet B (3D negative) and Planet A/B (where humanity is allowed to develop naturally without negative interference. At the moment many are traversing the perilous 4D bridge...and we need to be sure of who and what we are in order to complete this journey successfully.

Don't know if any of this makes sense but this is my contribution to the discussion

much love
Callista

eaglespirit
29th October 2014, 10:25
Anonymous PA member thank you for what you have put forth and for doing the interview -it was so down to earth. It's good you are here.

Thank you Christine and Project Avalon team for putting it together.


Love

Nora

Mornin' Nora : )
I signed in to post this exact Thank You...So Thank You, Thank You, Thank You : )

...and Christine, You have a great interview voice and presence and it is an enjoyment to listen : )

chocolate
29th October 2014, 10:48
I found out to my disappointment that few people here understand the principles which govern astrology and see how closely all this relates to stargates.
Or alchemy, for that matter, or any other of the occult sciences.
There is nothing wrong with studying these arts as long as one is committed to ethics, and not use them to further a selfish agenda.

Most people have internal blockages against such learning, due to cabal's deliberate societal programming. Not allowing this knowledge to spread keeps their own ranks more secure. More tidy, I guess.
Unfortunately there are lots of fake layers specially in the field of astrology which can prevent a person from getting to the point where the mathematics reveals the truth. The math itself is rather simple, I might add.

[...]

Normal stargates come along if one knows the coordinates, but unfortunately dark magicians can also create them, using mental force, and this would do a lot of harm to the environment, not just on 3D levels but beyond.

My wish is that more people would study these things
Anyway...thanks for sharing this brilliant chat.
Well done, Christine and Bill, and anonymous whistleblower.

It always seems really ... amusing, especially when one observes the attention which goes in the direction of certain threads and the lack of attention to other, not so 'colorful' ones ...

:)

If one believes in the law the energy is never lost, but rather changes states, then it might become obvious that we live in a ...
((closed)) universe. Or that famous egg shaped universe that some might know from their online reading at times.

In the light of that what everyone here accepts as ET might be just the wrong concept to have. And from there this whole discussion might take on an ((unexpected)) turn.
Or as Ulii has said it, too:
"I wish more people would study more"...
so that they can walk in the middle instead of going to the left or to the right.

The power of disbelief is so magical sometimes, and brings great illumination (also called enlightenment at times...)

...

Thanks for the interview, and all the work.
Great distraction!
:)

Love.

Nick Matkin
29th October 2014, 11:51
Looks like a really interesting couple of interviews, and has stirred up some interesting questions.

Is there an MP3 version we can download to listen to while doing other stuff? Unfortunately the Firefox/Youtube plug-in for converting to MP3 only works for videos up to 90 minutes.

Thanks.

Nick

karelia
29th October 2014, 11:57
Looks like a really interesting couple of interviews, and has stirred up some interesting questions.

Is there an MP3 version we can download to listen to while doing other stuff? Unfortunately the Firefox/Youtube plug-in for converting to MP3 only works for videos up to 90 minutes.

Thanks.

Nick

Yes:



The audio is now here:
http://projectavalon.net/Project_Avalon_Military_Advanced_Technology_Whistl eblower_Part_1.mp3

............

Redstar Kachina
29th October 2014, 12:05
Just for the record...I'm not an AI.

Yet.

;)

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Hervé
29th October 2014, 12:05
[...]

Take that 400 year bracket of history — a really brief period — in which invention and technology has accelerated till it's now almost vertical.

How many times could that EXACT SAME THING have happened in the last 100,000 years? Even WITHOUT help from friendly (or careless) ETs? :)


A very good point that seems to be on a repeat cycle of 12,000 - 24,000 years... like clockwork!

Aragorn
29th October 2014, 12:12
[...]

Take that 400 year bracket of history — a really brief period — in which invention and technology has accelerated till it's now almost vertical.

How many times could that EXACT SAME THING have happened in the last 100,000 years? Even WITHOUT help from friendly (or careless) ETs? :)


A very good point that seems to be on a repeat cycle of 12,000 - 24,000 years... like clockwork!

The complete sinoid motion of the solar system perpendicular to the plane of rotation of the galaxy takes approximately 26'000 years, with the solar system crossing the galactic plane every 13'000 years. If I'm not mistaken, then Paul LaViolette postulates that this is more or less when a galactic superwave - a high-energy radiation burst from the galactic center - hits the solar system (and thus Earth).

Sebastion
29th October 2014, 12:28
My thank you's to all involved! Some really awesome information brought out here which puts many things into a new light for me! Time for some deep thinking here.

I will add that the comment regarding not wanting to be on the "radar" of the mantids, insectoids etc. conforms with my gut feeling which says the same thing.

Again, many thanks Bill, Christine and much respect for the interviewee!

Louis
29th October 2014, 12:36
In the 80s, I attended a highly confidential meeting of a mystery school I was a member (it was a temple service ... if some of you know what I mean).
In this meeting it was said that all the planets in all solar systems have in common their north pole ... even if they are far away in outer space. And therefore, the north poles are doors to go to other planets without traveling over long distances (the poles are "shortcuts" ... in fact "stargates" according to the current terminology).
Maybe this explains the theory of "hollow earth" ... remember the journey of Admiral Byrd. He never said he had entered the hollow earth .. The report mentions that he saw a new land beyond the pole, and he was accompanied by flying saucers to land (is'nt it strange? ).
Probably the earth is not hollow, and the "new land" that Admiral Byrd visited is a "new" Earth.

Hervé
29th October 2014, 12:45
[...]

The complete sinoid motion of the solar system perpendicular to the plane of rotation of the galaxy takes approximately 26'000 years...
[...]

Hi Aragorn,

Check this site for a simpler alternative: http://binaryresearchinstitute.org/bri/research/introduction/theory.shtml

Shadowself
29th October 2014, 12:57
As a newcomer here I'd like to say thank you to Bill, Christine and the member who so graciously shared. While listening to it one can interpret the deep desire to share from the heart and reveal from within. That is what I detected the most. Sometimes the heart speaks louder than the words. I heard this.

While many can share similar experience I would say few have had the courage to express the full nature of such awareness that would allow him to analyze the deeper meanings and express in so many words the nature of the subjects brought out in the interview...I tip my hat Avalon Member for approaching reason with Bill and Christine.

crosby
29th October 2014, 13:45
This interview is so excellent that i cannot find the proper words to describe. I can say this with clarity after listening to it: doors are opening up and more and more information is coming through. thank you anonymous for your dedication to yourself and to this forum. i am very intrigued about the 'spiders' and the peripheral vision sightings - as i have had this experience. i was always under the thought that it was evil (entities) but now i'm not so sure. i am hoping that another interview will follow and add some more information to this aspect. thank you, thank you, thank you!
warmest,
crosby

AuCo
29th October 2014, 13:53
Thanks Bill, Christine, Mr. Anonymous!

Great interview. The casual setting didn't seem to bother me one bit. Hope that there's more to come.

One observation in my part. I have heard and still believe the Earth is a priced jewel in at least this sector of the universe. Why would the [many] so-called break-away civilization(s) drop this gem and went looking for another rock. It sounded more like they were forced to let go [and not to return], times and again. What fear?

Nick Matkin
29th October 2014, 13:54
[...] there could have been space-faring Breakaway Civilizations before ours. I know there was advanced, lost technology (some of which we still don't understand at all, like how the 1000 ton stones were moved at Baalbek). But look at it this way:

Just 400 years ago we had fairly basic metal tools, cottage industry, simple printing presses, wooden ships... and that's about all. We were still 200 years away from the steam engine.

And now look.

Take that 400 year bracket of history — a really brief period — in which invention and technology has accelerated till it's now almost vertical.

How many times could that EXACT SAME THING have happened in the last 100,000 years? Even WITHOUT help from friendly (or careless) ETs? :)
exactly Bill , some of the information I've read , says humans on earth for 22 million years , advance , go into space , make war , return , make war , a mass extinction/exodus , then a break in chaos , then the whole thing starts over again , and again for 22 million years now ... maybe the ancients tried to hide high technology from us , knowing the end result is always extinction rather than evolution ??? they say we have risen and fallen six times in the past , this time they say is the last before we finally evolve to make peace rather than war ...
It makes perfect sense that we had all the time and intelligence required to make several attempts at building a sustainable civilisation during the last 200.000 years or so. If we ever succeeded, then where are the buried cities, rusted tools, huge pieces of machinery, and other billion things left behind by the previous ones ?

Probably deep underground or underwater somewhere ? All we found so far are a couple of stones so to speak (Baalbek, the Pyramids, etc.), there is not much testimony of our distant past so what happened to all these previous civilisations ? Did they simply vanish ?

Maybe the ancients were so different from us that they did not need all these things that we would be supposed to find buried under our feet or it can even be that they came from another planet ?

So many questions, and yet very few answers.

I think Atlas has a very good point. Soft organic materials can be preserved as fossils for millions of years. Surely artificial 'hard stuff' would last as least as long under the right circumstances.

I've seen the documentary Bill mentioned. But even after millions of years, there will still be 'fossilised' plastics, glass, ceramics, many metal bits of machinery (I doubt it will all have corroded away completely), deformed foundations of buildings in the rock strata and fragments of underground tunnels, cables, pipes, etc.

If convincing remnants of a past advanced civilisation do exist (maybe not world wide as we are now, but perhaps in deep undiscovered caves), we should ask exactly where to look. Can we ask them please?

Nick

Verdilac
29th October 2014, 15:20
if you take ET AI and what comes with it at face value,its changing the planet, why? for what reason,is it a positive reason?


That's another great question.

If the Breakaway Civilization technocracy is really worried about the ET Artificial Intelligence that's been 'seeded' here — and let's go with that idea for a moment, because this was one of the REALLY startling new ideas that this conversation left us to consider — just maybe the ETs seeding the AI are the white hats in this drama?

If you consider the historical/mythical Trojan Horse, 3250 years ago... whether it was a good thing or not depended on what side you were on. :)


https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4024/5164695116_1e1a620647_z.jpg

Running with that, here's a thought,a short one but a thought, what if this is a trial run for some that may be about to happen in another location,and that maybe model for how something is done,
also if you listen to the interview/conversation with the mention of the crystal type objects and the ability to communicate with them,does this mean they must be communicated with to be included in the process, and do they control something very important?, and if so,what?

Bill Ryan
29th October 2014, 15:32
As a newcomer here I'd like to say thank you to Bill, Christine and the member who so graciously shared. While listening to it one can interpret the deep desire to share from the heart and reveal from within. That is what I detected the most. Sometimes the heart speaks louder than the words. I heard this.

While many can share similar experience I would say few have had the courage to express the full nature of such awareness that would allow him to analyze the deeper meanings and express in so many words the nature of the subjects brought out in the interview...I tip my hat Avalon Member for approaching reason with Bill and Christine.


Thank you so much! And you're absolutely right about sharing from the heart. The informal setting captured this totally.

Interviewing is a delicate, fine art. Christine did a huge amount to put our friend at ease. Often, it's not what you do, but what you DON'T do. Firing questions at someone is not always the way to go. :)

My own style has also always been just to chill out and chat. In all the interviews I've ever done, I never had an 'objective'... it's just to create a space in which whoever we're talking to can safely say whatever they feel comfortable with. Christine has that gift, too.





This interview is so excellent that i cannot find the proper words to describe. I can say this with clarity after listening to it: doors are opening up and more and more information is coming through. thank you anonymous for your dedication to yourself and to this forum. i am very intrigued about the 'spiders' and the peripheral vision sightings - as i have had this experience. i was always under the thought that it was evil (entities) but now i'm not so sure. i am hoping that another interview will follow and add some more information to this aspect. thank you, thank you, thank you!
warmest,
crosby


Thank you, too!

The 'spiders' thing is fascinating. I've had that experience as well… seeing shadows moving around out of the corner of my eye which I KNEW were not my imagination, or a trick of low light. I even made jokes at the time about having a 'ghost mouse' in the house. :)

And yes, we would very much like another interview to follow. This information is just the tip of an enormous iceberg.





Thanks Bill, Christine, Mr. Anonymous!

Great interview. The casual setting didn't seem to bother me one bit. Hope that there's more to come.

One observation in my part. I have heard and still believe the Earth is a priced jewel in at least this sector of the universe. Why would the [many] so-called break-away civilization(s) drop this gem and went looking for another rock. It sounded more like they were forced to let go [and not to return], times and again. What fear?


That's interesting. Yes, this planet is a real jewel. I'd not want to leave, either! But we don't know what we don't know… this is always the problem.





I think Atlas has a very good point. Soft organic materials can be preserved as fossils for millions of years. Surely artificial 'hard stuff' would last as least as long under the right circumstances.

I've seen the documentary Bill mentioned. But even after millions of years, there will still be 'fossilised' plastics, glass, ceramics, many metal bits of machinery (I doubt it will all have corroded away completely), deformed foundations of buildings in the rock strata and fragments of underground tunnels, cables, pipes, etc.

If convincing remnants of a past advanced civilisation do exist (maybe not world wide as we are now, but perhaps in deep undiscovered caves), we should ask exactly where to look. Can we ask them please?

Nick


Of interest: both Dan Burisch (http://projectcamelot.org/dan_burisch_summary.html) and Jake Simpson (http://projectcamelot.org/jake_simpson.html) told us that when digging/melting their tunnels (with their nuclear-powered boring machines, that can travel at 25 miles a day deep underground), they had several times broken into large, existing underground spaces that contained abandoned ancient high-tech machinery.

Limor Wolf
29th October 2014, 15:32
I have plenty of respect and deep appreciation for the anonymous Avalon whistleblower , with the understanding of what it holds to put yourself out there, and how much more convoluted is the way than any words or external impressions can convey. THANK YOU deeply for your courage to go with it. this is most valuable interview to all of us. The point of anonymity may not be understood by all (and thank goodness for that!) - but this is not a lip service, there's definitely might be life on the line and many considerations around it. It's an incredible step forward that you made, and I wish you to be safe, healthy and protected. Also big thanks to Christine for providing her warm presence and skills for this conversation to take place and to Bill for opening this door and holding it wide with the knowledge that there is something in here that is quite essential to explore at this time, so we can fill our gaps on the on-goings behind the scenes. The quest for truth is alive and well with these people!

Thank you,
Limor

Bill Ryan
29th October 2014, 16:24
if you take ET AI and what comes with it at face value,its changing the planet, why? for what reason,is it a positive reason?


That's another great question.

If the Breakaway Civilization technocracy is really worried about the ET Artificial Intelligence that's been 'seeded' here — and let's go with that idea for a moment, because this was one of the REALLY startling new ideas that this conversation left us to consider — just maybe the ETs seeding the AI are the white hats in this drama?

If you consider the historical/mythical Trojan Horse, 3250 years ago... whether it was a good thing or not depended on what side you were on. :)


https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4024/5164695116_1e1a620647_z.jpg



Just on record here: I was contacted by our friend overnight to clarify that the Trojan Horse AI was NOT a good thing. :)

This was not fully evident (at least, to me) in the interview... just that the black ops/ intel/ Breakaway Civilization guys were themselves very anxious about it.

Clearly, this is one of the many important follow-up topics to enlarge on and explore. Please do continue to table all your own questions here.

Limor Wolf
29th October 2014, 17:01
For me, it was more than fascinating. There were two major chunks of information that were new for me:




The threat posed by artificial intelligence ET infiltration, and that some of the UFO crashes were 'Trojan Horses'.
The idea that SOME of the Grays are human-military controlled 'Avatars' (just as in James Cameron's movie).





Make that three... this was really thought-provoking for me:

3. That there could have been space-faring Breakaway Civilizations before ours. I know there was advanced, lost technology (some of which we still don't understand at all, like how the 1000 ton stones were moved at Baalbek). But look at it this way:

Just 400 years ago we had fairly basic metal tools, cottage industry, simple printing presses, wooden ships... and that's about all. We were still 200 years away from the steam engine.

And now look.

Take that 400 year bracket of history — a really brief period — in which invention and technology has accelerated till it's now almost vertical.

How many times could that EXACT SAME THING have happened in the last 100,000 years? Even WITHOUT help from friendly (or careless) ETs? :)
exactly Bill , some of the information I've read , says humans on earth for 22 million years , advance , go into space , make war , return , make war , a mass extinction/exodus , then a break in chaos , then the whole thing starts over again , and again for 22 million years now ... maybe the ancients tried to hide high technology from us , knowing the end result is always extinction rather than evolution ??? they say we have risen and fallen six times in the past , this time they say is the last before we finally evolve to make peace rather than war ...

a little bit of stretch here, If time is a loop of space and matter (as some theories claim) which is structured especially for this earth/solar system experience, but where everything literally exists and available at the same time, and if the 3D earth and 3/4D galaxy ET'S with their various machinations who seem to greatly enjoy playing with this structure (of time), to bend it and cause mayhem, then, it might not be such a surprise or any problem to throw here and there some traces of 'advanced technology'.. if all is not linear.. then everything can be implanted.

Since we don't yet take any consideration ( understandably so, there's no proof, no scientific back up or knowledge, and nothing to lean on) that it all plays itself at the same time and that reality with all it's realms an dimensions is a unified and integral construct, then we look for linear explanations. If this factor will ever emerge as a serious contemplation in our discussions (and what are the ET's knowledge on that?) then it may bring some new comprehensions to the table that bypass our linear human history stereotypical thought process. but that may be yet far in the future :) (pun intended)

So, who knows, maybe everything happens only once with many versions (such are timelines, which we do talk about)

Or, in a more linear fashion,

Someone over there likes to play with their doll house too much






if you take ET AI and what comes with it at face value,its changing the planet, why? for what reason,is it a positive reason?


That's another great question.

If the Breakaway Civilization technocracy is really worried about the ET Artificial Intelligence that's been 'seeded' here — and let's go with that idea for a moment, because this was one of the REALLY startling new ideas that this conversation left us to consider — just maybe the ETs seeding the AI are the white hats in this drama?

If you consider the historical/mythical Trojan Horse, 3250 years ago... whether it was a good thing or not depended on what side you were on. :)


https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4024/5164695116_1e1a620647_z.jpg

My first reaction came with an inner slight objection, is that really a possibility in foresight, the risks involved etc.? on second thought and from personal observance, it can be.. as Bill suggested, it may depend on the side you are on, go repair a messed out playground directed towards demolition with a clay and mud to cover.. and this may be a one ET approach, but for all intents and purposes it makes a lot more sense that the implementation of AI goes hand in hand with the NWO agenda and with the technologies being provided by hostile hands. Sides are the ultimate illusion and if this hypothesis happened to be true, then the white hats ET's are a lot more off- white than snow white.

I feel that Kryztian and Calista's comments below reflect the bottom line


Originally posted by Kryztian: "The idea that our environment, which is becoming more and more technologically controlled, could be hacked by unwanted AI viruses placed here by an off world civilization is startling"



Originally posted by Calista : "the Human Being is more than an energy or information source or a petri dish. And this must be respected. Choice for all must be respected."

Operator
29th October 2014, 17:13
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Just on record here: I was contacted by our friend overnight to clarify that the Trojan Horse AI was NOT a good thing. :)

This was not fully evident (at least, to me) in the interview... just that the black ops/ intel/ Breakaway Civilization guys were themselves very anxious about it.

Clearly, this is one of the many important follow-up topics to enlarge on and explore. Please do continue to table all your own questions here.

Although I did understand that I am now wondering in which way it is a bad thing ...

1. Bad to humanity in general or
2. wrench in the wheel of keeping their operations covered up ?
3. or perhaps even another reason ...

Shadowself
29th October 2014, 17:39
AI is NOT a good thing if it's Unfriendly. I shared this somewhere else here. But since it's been brought up:

Artificial Intelligence as a Positive and
Negative Factor in Global Risk

A paper written on AI back in 2008:

https://intelligence.org/files/AIPosNegFactor.pdf

The paper leads to a conclusion by the author. But it's overall a pretty compelling paper non the less.

Bottom line. IF you can create "friendly AI" you can also create "unfriendly AI". Which the paper eludes to. This is what needs to be worried about with Trojan Horse AI.

It seems hard to imagine (unfriendly AI) as it's own self awareness...but an advanced intelligence that creates it may not be so easily dismissed as sensible enough to escape the actuality of senseless abuse. The term malevolent comes to mind.

778 neighbour of some guy
29th October 2014, 18:01
IF you can create "friendly AI" you can also create "unfriendly AI".

Friendly people in survival mode can be just as bad and nasty as the unfriendly ones, why would this be any different in AI, pragmatic horses are transportation too eh.

Operator
29th October 2014, 18:21
I stopped thinking in terms of good and bad. Better to consider agendas ... sometimes other peoples'/beings'
agendas work for you and sometimes against you.

So could 'Not good' from the perception of 'black ops/ intel/ Breakaway Civilization' work positively for us ?

I am afraid it's not but that is the precise question.

Bill Ryan
29th October 2014, 18:23
AI is NOT a good thing if it's Unfriendly. I shared this somewhere else here. But since it's been brought up:

Artificial Intelligence as a Positive and
Negative Factor in Global Risk

A paper written on AI back in 2008:

https://intelligence.org/files/AIPosNegFactor.pdf

The paper leads to a conclusion by the author. But it's overall a pretty compelling paper non the less.

Bottom line. IF you can create "friendly AI" you can also create "unfriendly AI". Which the paper eludes to. This is what needs to be worried about with Trojan Horse AI.

It seems hard to imagine (unfriendly AI) as it's own self awareness...but an advanced intelligence that creates it may not be so easily dismissed as sensible enough to escape the actuality of senseless abuse. The term malevolent comes to mind.


Yes....

*DO* please find a moment to read this...!
http://projectcamelot.org/jake_simpson.html

:)

darren
29th October 2014, 19:58
This interview is so excellent that i cannot find the proper words to describe. I can say this with clarity after listening to it: doors are opening up and more and more information is coming through. thank you anonymous for your dedication to yourself and to this forum. i am very intrigued about the 'spiders' and the peripheral vision sightings - as i have had this experience. i was always under the thought that it was evil (entities) but now i'm not so sure. i am hoping that another interview will follow and add some more information to this aspect. thank you, thank you, thank you!
warmest,
crosby


Thank you, too!

The 'spiders' thing is fascinating. I've had that experience as well… seeing shadows moving around out of the corner of my eye which I KNEW were not my imagination, or a trick of low light. I even made jokes at the time about having a 'ghost mouse' in the house. :)

And yes, we would very much like another interview to follow. This information is just the tip of an enormous iceberg.



Pardon my French but holy ****!!!! I was listening to the conversation last night,well it was on in the background as i was multi tasking.Yes i'm a man and it can be done :) Anyway at the mention of the spider thing,it stopped me in my tracks!

Literally a couple of weeks ago,i thought i'd seen what looked like a spider/insect leg just crawl behind a box to the side of the room! The thing that was strange (if that's not strang enough) was that it was about 6-8inches long! Was anyone else's of a similiar size.

I have just logged in to listen again,a bit more closely this time but thought i'd check the thread first and seen these posts!

I knew i had seen something but was unsure what exactly! I think we need to figure what is going on here and for what purpose!

I can't help but think though posting this,is in someway 'helping' whatever it is causing it!

Peace.

chocolate
29th October 2014, 20:00
I have to say I speed-listened to the whole interview

I can share several comments/notes.
( or did you all think I am the rebellious one, who never pays attention... )

Firstly, yes, the person seems to be quite genuine and willing to share his experience, which seems quite subjective (though). A bit like sharing a life of dreams and altered state of consciousness. It is usually hard to distinguish between what is real and what is a dream manipulation/consciousness manipulation, so having said all of that I would be careful at believing too much of what has been shared.

Another thing that stuck with me is that everything here is presented from a very material hard-stuff perspective, dealing with a malleable world construct. Even if not many still can understand and appreciate the way this world functions, not being able to see the subtle worlds doesn't make them any less real than what we can physically see and touch, so for an interview and information of importance that seems to be almost not existent ( the subtle energetic POV).

All the information presented here spoke to me on one level that is in-between this reality and another reality distanced in time, but not in space. Simply put, I understood it as a warning that creating and relying on artificial intelligence as a tool to explore the world and existence is not only dangerous, but also crude, unnecessary and overall deficient and destructive.
If one can compare sticking needles in one's brain to developing ones innate natural abilities of all the body structures ( understand here developing psychic abilities ), one can compare in pretty much the same way using non-natural intelligence to the same psychic abilities.

Justone made a thread about the 'right hand path' and the 'left hand path', so I suggest to those who care to look into the meaning of those two paths, and the middle one, or some call it the winding path.
It seems to me we are dealing with exactly this situation right here, right now --
do we need to choose the right hand side- developing technology based on the materialistic understanding of life,
or the left hand side - totally relying on the subjective worlds for the future development/betterment of mankind,
when both seem to be lacking in their respective areas.
And there comes the path in the middle where we can use our natural abilities, our psychic technology that we already have 'sleeping' inside, into developing technology and intelligence in sync with the natural laws governing the PRESERVATION of life in this Earhy existence.

I am always a bit disappointed when we all try to ... well, to communicate about all those complex matters from what is life to what is love, and we just fail at explaining some basic concepts.

Do we really need to 'reinvent' the wheel was the question that remained with me throughout.
And yes, apparently we do, judging by all the attention we have put in the area of 'Extra-' (terrestrial, technological, etc.)
How then will we find the time and energy to concentrate on what matters?

---

Now I hope I will not get another one of those dreams when I am asked the question why I always need to tell the truth.

---

This was a great interview from the perspective of getting to know the anonymous person a bit. The rest I leave to everyone's discernment.

Sidney
29th October 2014, 20:27
Hello, and thank you for this wonderful and informative discussion. I was wondering, how the switch to digital HD television ties into the AI loop (if at all)?

And also , to go along with what Fellow Aspirant was inquiring regarding the nano/spraying,what are the chances, that the AI has taken on a life of its own, and has created/co-created the entire geoengineering program, and nothing or nobody is able to stop it. Or perhaps, the morgellons fiber is actually some form of virus, created to foul up the AI programming. Oh, And the white fuzzy stuff that falls all over during certain spray campaigns, it dissolves into your skin if you touch it, is there another connected dot there?

I have listened twice so far, and this information really is so intriguing, that it is difficult to wrap my head around it all. So many light bulbs go on, with regards to the AI component to crafts and creatures/avatars and telepathy. Thank you so much again. Another installment would be great someday, as I am sure many are on the edge of their seat waiting for more. :)

donk
29th October 2014, 20:45
I’m wondering: given the “high level” of “intel” this is…are we to take everything anonymous says as actual factual information, or can we expect the “Gordon Duff” necessary injection of disinformation where we are expected to “discern” the truth?

...or is his respected "anonymity" enough to protect him from the consequences of releasing this information?

darren
29th October 2014, 21:00
I’m wondering: given the “high level” of “intel” this is…are we to take everything anonymous says as actual factual information, or can we expect the “Gordon Duff” necessary injection of disinformation where we are expected to “discern” the truth?

...or is his respected "anonymity" enough to protect him from the consequences of releasing this information?

Well i'm not taking what he has said as actual factual info! I'm using it as a sort of compass to my own understanding and experiences,as i do with all info i hear! I cannot confirm for certain alot of what people say really.Unless of course i've had direct experience and even then,i tell my self have i truly understood! I still don't fully understand myself yet! :confused: :)

Limor Wolf
29th October 2014, 21:14
I’m wondering: given the “high level” of “intel” this is…are we to take everything anonymous says as actual factual information, or can we expect the “Gordon Duff” necessary injection of disinformation where we are expected to “discern” the truth?

...or is his respected "anonymity" enough to protect him from the consequences of releasing this information?

What do you feel is the part of your judgement and discernment when listening to any material, Donk? does it matter what one will tell you if this or that?

A free man should exercise their freedom of mind, thought and judgement, anytime day or night :)

Don't hesitate to go for it!

778 neighbour of some guy
29th October 2014, 21:14
Better to consider agendas

Yep, it is, and there always are agendas, not uncommon at all, I have not met a single person who did not have at least one.

SieS
29th October 2014, 21:36
Interesting topic, Thank you Bill, Christine and anonymous for this Excellent interview.

For me, most of it feels correct and resonates within, I listened to it a few times.
I am pleased that this information becomes public knowledge now.
We probably have to realise however that time and timelines are fake, they are part of the implanted trickery from other dimensions. (It is all done with mirrors)
Still important to follow our gut feelings.

SieS

Bill Ryan
29th October 2014, 21:39
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I believe, from memory (and we don't have a transcript, so even if I've recalled this accurately, it's going to be my paraphrase) — our friend pointed out in the conversation that if he's been told something by someone else, its truth depends on where THEY got the information from.

As Richard Hoagland famously said, "The lie is different at every level".

I'm satisfied our friend believes everything he's recounting... and he gives caveats, several times, clearly and honestly, that his recall may have been messed with. It's very common among people with these kinds of experiences.

So any question about whether this is 'disinformation' or not is (in my view, and excuse the French) — pretty dumb.

That's WAY over-simplistic. Like the intel agencies do themselves, you have to rate the source, and then rate the information. And it all needs to be cross-referenced against other sources. We in the alternative media have NEVER learned to do this intelligently.

Like this: (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_source_and_information_reliability)

http://projectavalon.net/Source_reliability_and_Information_reliability.gif


We're all putting together a giant jigsaw... and we have no picture to match everything to. That's the problem.

Sometimes a piece fits perfectly. Sometimes it's the right piece, in the wrong place. Sometimes it's a piece from a different puzzle. Sometimes it's a bit of cardboard which is not a piece at all.

Another analogy is that of putting together millions of pixels to make a high-resolution image. You can see the image, sometimes, when it's not yet fully formed and the pixels are not yet all in place. A pin-sharp image is what we want, but we're nowhere close to that yet.

But every pixel helps.

What's this? Any ideas?
And if you think you know, HOW do you know?

http://projectavalon.net/pixelated_blur.gif

crosby
29th October 2014, 21:42
that would be a pic of you, sir Bill. lol. i have to say that yes, i agree, we have to wait for more of the bigger picture to produce itself, or present itself, so that we can see what we are looking at.
warmest,
crosby

RunningDeer
29th October 2014, 21:47
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I believe, from memory (and we don't have a transcript, so even if I've recalled this accurately, it's going to be my paraphrase) — our friend pointed out in the conversation that if he's been told something by someone else, its truth depends on where THEY got the information from.

As Richard Hoagland famously said, "The lie is different at every level".

I'm satisfied our friend believes everything he's recounting... and he gives caveats, several times, clearly and honestly, that his recall may have been messed with. It's very common among people with these kinds of experiences.

So any question about whether this is 'disinformation' or not is (in my view, and excuse the French) — pretty dumb.

That's WAY over-simplistic. Like the intel agencies do themselves, you have to rate the source, and then rate the information. And it all needs to be cross-referenced against other sources. We in the alternative media have NEVER learned to do this intelligently.

We're all putting together a giant jigsaw... and we have no picture to match everything to. That's the problem.

Sometimes a piece fits perfectly. Sometimes it's the right piece, in the wrong place. Sometimes it's a piece from a different puzzle. Sometimes it's a bit of cardboard which is not a piece at all.

Another analogy is that of putting together millions of pixels to make a high-resolution image. You can see the image, sometimes, when it's not yet fully formed and the pixels are not yet all in place. A pin-sharp image is what we want, but we're nowhere close to that yet.

But every pixel helps.

What's this? Any ideas?
And if you think you know, HOW do you know?


http://projectavalon.net/pixelated_blur.gif

Great post!
And....
What's this? Any ideas?
And if you think you know, HOW do you know?
http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/avatar6_5gif_zpsdf40f4cf.jpeg

HOW do you know? My guestmation ...

1. pull the picture you provided to your desktop. See it?
2. and by the title of your photo called "pixelated_blur".

Paula <3

Bill Ryan
29th October 2014, 21:50
that would be a pic of you, sir Bill. lol.


Reminds me of a story about Picasso. He was traveling on a train, and a fellow passenger showed him a photo from his wallet. "That's my wife", the man said.

Picasso replied: "Isn't she rather small and flat?"

:focus:

Sebastion
29th October 2014, 21:55
Thanks Bill for posting the Jake Simpson pdf. as I had not read that before. I support what the Avalon member is saying in the interview. Methinks he is authentic in what he has to say and should be listened to and supported. He is straight forward and presents himself well. His information supports what others have had to say and adds to it. Thanks to him, I now have a bigger picture to look at and I appreciate that very much.

Fellow Aspirant
29th October 2014, 22:23
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Just on record here: I was contacted by our friend overnight to clarify that the Trojan Horse AI was NOT a good thing. :)

This was not fully evident (at least, to me) in the interview... just that the black ops/ intel/ Breakaway Civilization guys were themselves very anxious about it.

Clearly, this is one of the many important follow-up topics to enlarge on and explore. Please do continue to table all your own questions here.

Although I did understand that I am now wondering in which way it is a bad thing ...

1. Bad to humanity in general or
2. wrench in the wheel of keeping their operations covered up ?
3. or perhaps even another reason ...

Well, let's see. The situation portrayed in 'The Matrix' comes to mind ...

B.

SilverPhoenix
29th October 2014, 22:41
I also am a new member,

I have never been apart of any Forum before and will have to learn how this works.

My Husband has been a member for quite some time AND as it so happens is the "Anonymous Member" who is in the recording that everyone is commenting on.

I had the great pleasure of meeting Christine while she was in town and over a month of seeing her every opportunity we could my children and I absolutely grew to love her and think of her as family. My son who you hear in the background in the audio was calling her "Grandma" the last couple of visits we had with her and both of my children ask about her every few days.

During the conversation I knew it was being recorded and tried to keep our 3 year old in the other room but had no idea it was going to be published online and focused on by so many people like this. We have been married nearly 22 years now so I had heard most of this information. Some of the things I heard were in more detail that before and since the recorded discussion he has been keeping a journal that has been even more full of details that he didn't give in the discussion with Christine.

This was his first conversation with anyone other than myself or people he served with about these topics and he was very nervous as well as not quite knowing how much he was going to share until the very moment he shared it. I remember after I dropped Christine off where she was staying he was sitting quietly. I asked him what was wrong and he said he didn't expect to share quite so much. I understood because Christine became such a trusted part of our family that I found myself talking to her about things that I wouldn't normally say to a person I had known for a few weeks. She is that lovable :)

My Husband had also just had Reconstructive Surgery on His Rotator Cuff and Bicep Tendons on September the 19th. He was in a considerable amount of Pain and Discomfort when he had this conversation with Christine on September 27th.

I have been reading through the comments. He had warned me it was kind of messy and for me not to take anything personally. He also said, and now I see there are a lot of Questions and he said that some of the concepts he had Spoken about and Commented on Else Where had not quite been represented in the manner he had hoped. He said it is to be somewhat expected when coming at some of these topics while Anonymous. After his recovery from Physical Therapy and he goes back to work in the High Technology Field he does not want to have the "Stigma" of this topic follow him. There are also some Security concerns but since his postings and release of the interview the different types of attacks and physical and electronic surveillance has picked up. His point is there is more than one reason to remain anonymous.

My interests are in Holistic Medicine and other topics however he has asked me to post a comment here and see if he can get some Direct Questions asked and I can Present Them and the Answers Here if that is something that will work.

Please take it easy on me as I am new to Avalon and this is His material. I will be spending most of my time and energy on my interests. As I said I am learning how this Forum works and am new to forums in general. He assisted me in making this post which is only my second post since I opened this account today.

Now I have a funny feeling in the pit of my stomach,
Thanks Honey! :shocked:

Fellow Aspirant
29th October 2014, 22:49
Re: the Reliability Charts

I really like that the Source and Information are given separate rankings. One cannot expect a truly reliable "Source" to always be in possession of reliable "Information", and conversely, agents of disinformation use truth to set their audiences up for the "hook" buried in the bait.

So, question to the Forum: would it be a worthwhile (doable, even) undertaking to compile a list of 'sources' we have encountered and then, as a group, vote for our personal take on the reliability of each?

I don't mean a thread with 'comments' and arguments one way or the other. That would be way too cumbersome. I have in mind something much more brief, like the chart above.

In the end, would we be able to construct useful 'profiles' of the top ten whistleblowers, online 'Truthers' or online sites that at least give us some guidance inside the 'fog'; a continuum of truth produced by our collective consciousnesses?

Or is the rabbit hole just too dark and labyrinthine?

This latest 'source', for example, :juggle:I would place at the top of my list of "reliable" claimants.

It would be a start!

Brian

Spiral of Light
29th October 2014, 22:56
Welcome to Avalon, SilverPhoenix. We are so happy to have you here.

Many thanks to you for coming forward to assist your husband in answering some of the questions that have been presented.

You have my admiration for the courage and commitment to the truth that you are both showing.

RunningDeer
29th October 2014, 23:01
I also am a new member,

I have never been apart of any Forum before and will have to learn how this works.
Welcome to Avalon, SilverPhoenix. Much appreciation to You, Hubby, and a :wave: to the Little Cutie in the background.

Paula <3

onawah
29th October 2014, 23:08
Welcome, Silver Phoenix, and thanks to you and your husband for your courage and willingness to engage with us here on Avalon in such an intimate way.
To Bill and the Mods: I have listened to part of the interview and read most of the comments, and I am certainly intrigued, but I am hoping there will be a transcript before too long, because my computer and speakers are not the best and it is very difficult to make out what is being said in the interview.
With information this important, it's really helpful to have a transcript so that nothing gets lost or misinterpreted in the translation, in any case.
I hope someone has stepped up to take on the transcribing task.
Thanks to all!

David Ansible
29th October 2014, 23:46
Having had personal experience with the "negative radionics" of which you speak, I *know* that part of it
is absolutely real - putting one to sleep and, so much more.

Some of us have AI, or what we take to be AI (I guess it could be something else, but seems unlikely), interfaced
with our consciousness such that we can interact with it in various ways (as well as it imposing upon us in various ways).
Just the way it is.

I think it's under the control of humans but for what purpose I do not know. In my case, it all started with "real world" events
in my life, including theft of little things from my apartment (some of which were returned days later), as well as street
theater and stuff like that.

The "AI" didn't fully show up until after the other stuff had pretty much run its course. One day a technology was imposed whereby
I felt surrounded by my own personal "magnetic field."

"It" started turning my head, blinking my eyes and moving my eye balls, walking me, stuff like that. Would nod my head yes in
response to questions (or shake my head "no"). Fun stuff (it was relatively horrible actually).

Anyway, while I still maintain healthy skepticism about things I hear, because I now know some "crazy" things are actually true, my
reality has expanded such that many more things seem possible, even plausible at times.

Jake Simpson resonates with me. I am fully aware of that induced "dopiness," and so much more. Of course this doesn't mean that we
experienced the same "entity," only that (perhaps) the tech is similar. Even that is open to question though - more than one tech might
produce similar effects.

Well, it hardly needs saying, but reality is far stranger than most people can begin to believe. There was a time when I would have
been completely incredulous about information such as found in the Jake Simpson interview as well as in this "whistleblower's" interview.

Actually I never would have come close to even encountering such information. But, obviously, those days are long gone!

So that's that. I am rather impressed by those who haven't encountered weirdness on the level of what I or some other people have experienced,
and yet are still able to comprehend that worlds exist beyond the consensus reality in which we all live.

Sidney
30th October 2014, 00:22
-------

I believe, from memory (and we don't have a transcript, so even if I've recalled this accurately, it's going to be my paraphrase) — our friend pointed out in the conversation that if he's been told something by someone else, its truth depends on where THEY got the information from.

As Richard Hoagland famously said, "The lie is different at every level".

I'm satisfied our friend believes everything he's recounting... and he gives caveats, several times, clearly and honestly, that his recall may have been messed with. It's very common among people with these kinds of experiences.

So any question about whether this is 'disinformation' or not is (in my view, and excuse the French) — pretty dumb.

That's WAY over-simplistic. Like the intel agencies do themselves, you have to rate the source, and then rate the information. And it all needs to be cross-referenced against other sources. We in the alternative media have NEVER learned to do this intelligently.

Like this: (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_source_and_information_reliability)

http://projectavalon.net/Source_reliability_and_Information_reliability.gif


We're all putting together a giant jigsaw... and we have no picture to match everything to. That's the problem.

Sometimes a piece fits perfectly. Sometimes it's the right piece, in the wrong place. Sometimes it's a piece from a different puzzle. Sometimes it's a bit of cardboard which is not a piece at all.

Another analogy is that of putting together millions of pixels to make a high-resolution image. You can see the image, sometimes, when it's not yet fully formed and the pixels are not yet all in place. A pin-sharp image is what we want, but we're nowhere close to that yet.

But every pixel helps.

What's this? Any ideas?
And if you think you know, HOW do you know?

http://projectavalon.net/pixelated_blur.gif

I think thats my cat wearing her favorite sweater. :) Tan head, and colors match. HaHa ok is this a trick question? lol
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Hervé
30th October 2014, 00:37
Having had personal experience with the "negative radionics" of which you speak, I *know* that part of it
is absolutely real - putting one to sleep and, so much more.

[...]

Have a look at this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56002-Must-Read-The-Matrix-Deciphered-by-Dr-Robert-Duncan) (<---) too...

Fellow Aspirant
30th October 2014, 01:07
Hi SilverPhoenix!

Thanks so much for joining us "in person", so to speak. Your courageous husband's contributions to our understanding of reality have had a tremendous, positive impact on a huge number of people already, and it's only been 24 hours! I hope that the lives of you and your family are not too distracted by the attention that you are receiving. Know that our community of awake and aware humans is deeply grateful for your help, and that we are going to support you all in any way we can. We anticipate your further "sharing" with great excitement and open hearts.

Namaste

Brian

P.S. I really like your use of red type!

Fellow Aspirant
30th October 2014, 01:11
What's this? Any ideas?
And if you think you know, HOW do you know?

Interestingly, it becomes quite easy to 'discern' the subject as one quickly scrolls down the page. So maybe that's the point: don't linger over the details, just keep moving to get the overall picture? :p

Brian

Redstar Kachina
30th October 2014, 01:25
Welcome SP - sometimes it's hard to follow particular posts, but when a thread is taken as a whole, it can be rather informative. Arguments are arise are typically a result of differing opinions on how to address a particular issue...sometimes they devolve into eye poking, but usually it's all above board.

Lots of us have all sorts of oddball experiences, many of which are ongoing...planet Earth experience in a nutshell.

OnyxKnight
30th October 2014, 01:40
It is my belief that AIs always have masters. That is where I differ from the nameless whistleblower, I think it is not a sovereign AI doing this, but ET races with those AIs.

The Ashtar Collective (if this is what Anonymous was talking about when referring to an alien A.I. system trojan horsing in our midst) is pretty much self-governed. No backside, power handlers. Totally autonomous.

On the other hand, I do agree that there might be a case where this A.I. he talks about, is created, maintained, and operated by biological minds who made it. When he talked about the greenish-olive skinned people my immediate thought was "this sounds like the Kondrashkin" (some may have heard of them, some may have not, but they have a history in involvement in black ops projects, technology trade agreements, abductions, even the infamous Men in Black sightings/encounters).

They are the leaders of the K-Group branch of the Sivourda network. Some people call them the Ursa Major Conglomerate, be that the star systems they control are largely found in the direction of that constellation, and composed of members from the Ursa Major Moving Group of stars that share common motion in space. The reason the term 'network' is used is because they have developed an A.I. system (Sivourda) which maintains stable artificial wormholes between the populated star systems of that stellar kinematics group and uses the stars in a certain way that mimics the way we use neurons in the brain, basically making it some sort of super-organism. I'm not sure how they keep it in check because my contacts don't know either. But they do. They've used the same network to open a branch here in our region of space as well.

The only difference of the Kondrashkin to the exact description Anonymous gave in the interview is that they don't have any bodyhair, while he seems to mention they had black hair.


Something said in the video I feel the person talking in the video may not realize. TPTB monitor people's minds directly these days. So they would know who gave him information.

Also I'm having trouble with one thing he said. He said he was there witnessing ETs(the olive skinned ones) to see any deception… The US government can monitor the mind's of these ETs. They have such capability. So why not use that instead?

Not really. I disagree. We do have advanced technology, but its not that advanced. We can track humans easily, but not aliens. They always have better toys, even when we steal from them.

This is why so many of the secret governments fund agencies that deal with the alien factor. Especially those who can either mimic our appearance, or practically look identical to us in normal form. They form special divisions of "alien hunters" to hunt them down. Why do this if you have cheaper and more sophisticated means of tracking them down and even peak inside their heads?

Omni
30th October 2014, 01:43
Not really. I disagree. We do have advanced technology, but its not that advanced. We can track humans easily, but not aliens. They always have better toys, even when we steal from them.

This is why so many of the secret governments fund agencies that deal with the alien factor. Especially those who can either mimic our appearance, or practically look identical to us in normal form. They form special divisions of "alien hunters" to hunt them down. Why do this if you have cheaper and more sophisticated means of tracking them down and even peak inside their heads?

I know for a fact they can track what is going on inside a consciousness. We can practically do this with public technology, and black project tech is by far more advanced. Doing such to ETs without their free will would be hard, but if they agreed to it, it would be easy.

Some public domain stuff:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/14/thought-tracking-technology_n_1007189.html



Some info on private stuff:

Detecting EMF Fields in Humans for Surveillance

A subject's bioelectric field can be remotely detected, so subjects can be monitored anywhere they are. With special EMF equipment NSA cryptologists can remotely read evoked potentials (from EEGs). These can be decoded into a person's brain-states and thoughts. The subject is then perfectly monitored from a distance.

NSA personnel can dial up any individual in the country on the Signals Intelligence EMF scanning network and the NSA's computers will then pinpoint and track that person 24 hours-a-day. The NSA can pick out and track anyone in the U.S.
http://www.rense.com/political/weapons/nsa.html


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/scalar_tech/esp_scalartech12.htm

How could they mind control people if they couldn't track their thoughts....

OnyxKnight
30th October 2014, 01:46
I know for a fact they can track what is going on inside a consciousness. We can practically do this with public technology, and black project tech is by far more advanced. Doing such to ETs without their free will would be hard, but if they agreed to it, it would be easy.

If that's true, there would be no contactees/abductees since the governments can track all alien activity, be that on craft, underground or on the surface. But we both know this is not the case. So apparently you are missing something in that theory.

Omni
30th October 2014, 01:51
I know for a fact they can track what is going on inside a consciousness. We can practically do this with public technology, and black project tech is by far more advanced. Doing such to ETs without their free will would be hard, but if they agreed to it, it would be easy.

If that's true, there would be no contactees/abductees since the governments can track all alien activity, be that on craft, underground or on the surface. But we both know this is not the case. So apparently you are missing something in that theory.
It isn't a theory. It is fact to me. I have observed it... How do you think electronic telepathy works? Part of it is tracking the mind. Also do you really think they mind control people without knowing what is going on inside their minds? ... Seems like that would be pretty hard to do.

The government cannot track all alien activity because they do not have access to ETs minds while they are in their ships etc, but an ET inside a bunker or what have you, can be easily tracked. Why would such a thing negate any contactees or abductions? I don't get how you are making that connection.

And it is my view all contact on earth is tracked by the US shadow government. They have an extreme interest in such.

Christine
30th October 2014, 02:18
Hello friends,

Wow! As life would have it - I was traveling in my car the day we finally published this "audio recording".. it was a labor of love from start to finish and I am sorry I missed the debut. So I start this post with an apology as way of an explanation for why I didn't posted until now - all day travel and other pressing commitments when I got home.

I haven't even had time to catch up on all the posts so excuse me if I miss anyone's questions or comments.

My gratitude is immense for the courage this Avalon member has and who trusted me enough to finally speak his story. The recording was not recorded for publication though I believe we both tacitly understood that the possibility existed in which it would be. From my point of view this makes this recording all the more valuable, for it is the first time he was able to speak, there is no hints of a story that has been repeated in front of a camera many times.

It is as real as it gets for a recovering Milab who has to override all the overlays and triggers that are embedded to make sure they don't ever speak.

I have been close to him for approximately two years in chats and on the forum.. I came to see his light shining brightly and realized the agony he was living with. And as any of us who are empaths would, I extended my hand to help. With someone who has been mind controlled and tortured you can never push .. all you can do really is hold open a field of love and support, they are the ones who have to do the work of extracting themselves from the controls.

I did not go to him "to get the interview" .. I was given an opportunity to be with him and his family physically and realized that this was an indicator that the next step to his healing was most likely ready to happen. And even then my first visit and the unspoken intent of him telling me his story sent him into a panic.. Here I will clarify, the core sovereign being doesn't panic .. the altered personalities and embedded trigger responses do because they sense that they will be found out. In a Milab this is as intense as it gets.

So friends, if any one is wondering how real this person is and how real his experiences are please try and put aside the doubts. As we know Avalon has an abundance of experiencers, Milab, MKUltra survivors, victims of black sorcery.. I know many personally so they are very aware of the reality of this recounting.

The other aspect that is so difficult for a Milab to overcome is to trust themselves enough to talk.. they were purposely fractured at very young ages and so memories are doubted. Once they begin to recall scenes, feelings and emotions they are set up to distrust them, it is a mind boggling confusion, like finding yourself in a labyrinth that is spinning with no one you can trust. This alone is torturous.

So while listening or thinking about the testimony here do realize that there are more layers to the story.. more veils to be peeled back and our friend is still in a process of sorting it all out.. one must make allowances for any later incongruencies and further clarifications.

Also in this case as is often true with others who try to break free this person has had malevolent entities conjured to control him. Some one asked what the miracle he experienced was.. it isn't my story to tell but in a round about way I will address it.. once anyone of us finds the courage to confront their shadows (in some cases so scary as to seem insurmountable), they take a piece of their sovereignty back, this starts the process of rebuilding the core Being which in turn becomes stronger each time the step is repeated. The final step in integration is that you are in complete awareness of your core and nothing else can abide there.

So what happened is that he experienced a spontaneous release of the possessing entities.. and a huge weight was lifted and they were really gone, the difference was palpable to him and those around him.

My special thanks to his wife and children .. I am very pleased she is here on Avalon to support her husband and to learn, explore and expand. We had a wonderful connection .. she has had it almost as hard as he has.

And my deep personal gratitude to Bill for doing the painstaking work of editing this conversation.. he did an amazing job with a very poor quality recording.

I would like to add a very personal statement of my own.. bringing this type of testimony to the public is fraught with possible repercussions - both good and not so good to all parties involved.

I know that there are other Milabs and people who have experienced similar mind controlling who are watching our joint treatment of this person and his testimony. They wonder if they should come forward or not.. To them I would say - be sure you are ready, join the forum reach out to the mod team, we are extraordinarily practiced now.

All anyone can really do is provide the safest environment possible.. the work of overcoming will still be yours as you find the courage to speak. Don't rush yourself or feel you have to share.

And equally important to note is that if the perpetrators of these acts and those who still hide in the shadows want they will be and are watching. Don't think for a moment they aren't.

Please don't share personal information with anyone until you know them well.. this takes time. If you have leanings or doubt share with a few who can help you sort through your intuitions.

Learn to listen to yourself deeply.. there are voices you can trust, they are encouraging and supportive, kind and wise. To learn to trust yourself is of the utmost importance, you have your own inner guidance. The human spirit is greater in strength than we have yet realized..

With love,
Christine

OnyxKnight
30th October 2014, 02:18
It isn't a theory. It is fact to me. I have observed it... How do you think electronic telepathy works? Part of it is tracking the mind.

The government cannot track all alien activity because they do not have access to ETs minds while they are in their ships etc, but an ET inside a bunker or what have you, can be easily tracked.

And it is my view all contact on earth is tracked by the US shadow government. They have an extreme interest in such.

A human mind and an alien mind are not one and the same thing. To track human brain patterns and decipher the combination of the signals in an interpreted high accuracy information is one thing, but to track different races they would have to change the core programming of whatever intelligence/technology they are using to decipher the mental activity of non-human beings.

Why haven't any of my contacts been apprehended yet? They communicated with me numerous times outside the crafts or their underground facilities. They move freely and normally. If there was danger of reading a non-human mind they wouldn't be here at all. There are things going on outside our Solar system that not just us, but any capable eavesdropper is not supposed to be able to understand/find out.

It doesn't have to track all alien activity, but considering the scope of operations my contacts conduct, it should catch quite a few pairs of eyes (and "ears" in this case) if somebody has toys that good of tracking things down or reading minds. Any minds.

It makes no sense to me personally.

Nenuphar
30th October 2014, 02:20
I am about halfway through listening to this conversation. Very interesting information! The two things that have really stood out to me so far are 1) the existence of 'spiders' and 2) the idea that "money is black magic". The latter wasn't really part of the information being shared, rather it was mentioned as a statement of fact. To me, this concept is something I haven't heard before or explored, and I would like to hear more about this. If it is a subject that is considered common knowledge, then perhaps some members could direct me to threads, websites, existing interviews, etc where it is explained, rather than have it take up time in any future interviews.

Many thanks! :)

Dennis Leahy
30th October 2014, 02:24
I'm trying to form words to express my feelings.

I'll just start typing and see what comes out. Christine did a great job of just gently helping to focus the stream of information without being even remotely intimidating or pushy.

First, a big cyberhug to our truth-speaker (I know he's a "whistleblower" but "truth-speaker" is what I'm focused on.) Thank you for your honesty and your courage. Though many of us have heard tidbits of some of this info, this is a much clearer and much broader picture than I was either aware of, or was inclined to accept.

Secondly, welcome SilverPhoenix! Please transform my cyberhug into a real one (by proxy), but watch out for his shoulder!

I love the British expression, "gobsmacked." That describes it. I am gobsmacked.

I am going to have some questions, but right now my head is reeling, and I'm trying to find a perspective on this that leaves me feeling hopeful (because right now I'm feeling like a lab monkey with cranium removed and wires attached - in a giant laboratory full of other monkeys in a similar situation.)

I am ready to sign-up to "jump" to the next meeting of beings that claim to have (or have) steered/tinkered/created our genetic makeup, and present humanity's case for the experiment to come to a halt - and to let us accelerate our intellectual/empathic/spiritual growth. You can't tie a ball and chain to each ankle, throw us in the ocean, and call it a swimming experiment - that would be a drowning experiment. Wanna see what your lab monkeys can do? Unbind us! Give humanity (not a handful of nefarious bastards) Free Energy, and get out of the way. Your experiment has gone awry and the nefarious greedy monkeys are extincting species faster than you can conjure new ones in your test tubes. You are allied with the worst element on Earth - letting them destroy your pet "experiment's" habitat, while poisoning and irradiating us? What does that say about your evolved consciousness? I don't give a sh!t if your race is 1,000,000 times older than our race, compassion is the real signifier of how evolved you are. Compassion is the force of expansion of self, and if you have lost yours, you have regressed 1,000,000 lifetimes. Time to re-write the protocol.

More later (and some questions.)

Thanks again, brother!

Dennis

Omni
30th October 2014, 02:25
It isn't a theory. It is fact to me. I have observed it... How do you think electronic telepathy works? Part of it is tracking the mind.

The government cannot track all alien activity because they do not have access to ETs minds while they are in their ships etc, but an ET inside a bunker or what have you, can be easily tracked.

And it is my view all contact on earth is tracked by the US shadow government. They have an extreme interest in such.

A human mind and an alien mind are not one and the same thing. To track human brain patterns and decipher the combination of the signals in an interpreted high accuracy information is one thing, but to track different races they would have to change the core programming of whatever intelligence/technology they are using to decipher the mental activity of non-human beings.

Why haven't any of my contacts been apprehended yet? They communicated with me numerous times outside the crafts or their underground facilities. They move freely and normally. If there was danger of reading a non-human mind they wouldn't be here at all. There are things going on outside our Solar system that not just us, but any capable eavesdropper is not supposed to be able to understand/find out.

It doesn't have to track all alien activity, but considering the scope of operations my contacts conduct, it should catch quite a few pairs of eyes (and "ears" in this case) if somebody has toys that good of tracking things down or reading minds. Any minds.

It makes no sense to me personally.

Are you saying the US shadow government does not have electronic telepathy capability with ETs? Because that is basically what you are saying. And extraterrestrial neuroscience may be different, yet frequencies of consciousness are more or less universal. Deceptive frequencies can be detected from any source.

OnyxKnight
30th October 2014, 02:31
Are you saying the US shadow government does not have electronic telepathy capability with ETs? Because that is basically what you are saying. And extraterrestrial neuroscience may be different, yet frequencies of consciousness are more or less universal. Deceptive frequencies can be detected from any source.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Because they wouldn't come somewhere where their minds can be read, unless you also think they are unaware of their minds being subject to indiscretion and prying eyes. It sounds too, too gullible for somebody so advanced to travel here via FTL or wormholes, to not be able to pick up that they are being screened mentally for information.

Omni
30th October 2014, 02:40
Are you saying the US shadow government does not have electronic telepathy capability with ETs? Because that is basically what you are saying. And extraterrestrial neuroscience may be different, yet frequencies of consciousness are more or less universal. Deceptive frequencies can be detected from any source.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Because they wouldn't come somewhere where their minds can be read, unless you also think they are unaware of their minds being subject to indiscretion and prying eyes. It sounds too, too gullible for somebody so advanced to travel here via FTL or wormholes, to not be able to pick up that they are being screened mentally for information.
They are for sure aware of it. Why wouldn't they come somewhere where their minds can be read? I don't see the logic there. They would know when it is being read, and also could mind control themselves to not give up certain info. Also I'm unsure of free will and rules about suveillance of ETs mind's. It could be that the ETs have to give free will to the US gov since they have secrets from them..

At this point we'll just have to agree to disagree. It is a fact to me that the US government can detect deception in pretty much any being if they know where they are(and they do not move much). They can read consciousness down to the soul from my experiences. Deception frequencies are rather universal IMO.

And you kind of changed from saying they can't read minds, to they can't read ET minds. So are you conceding they can read the minds of his contacts while they give him information? That was part of what you were opposing.

Redstar Kachina
30th October 2014, 02:42
The following is what the parallel civilization has been working feverishly to prevent from manifesting on a global scale - interview/conversation testimony in this thread among others confirms this conclusion.

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The next five years will lead people to believe that the parallel civilization has succeeded...wrong. It's their last gasp...

OnyxKnight
30th October 2014, 02:54
And you kind of changed from saying they can't read minds, to they can't read ET minds. So are you conceding they can read the minds of his contacts while they give him information? That was part of what you were opposing.

I didn't change anything. I was never opposed to the idea of secret governments having technology that can read human minds. I was disagreeing that they can do it with ETs too. Yes, its better that we agree to disagree, because none of us is gonna change their conviction.

thunder24
30th October 2014, 03:00
thanks guys for the recordings....

in the interview talking about drawing other beings into your "sphere' with thoughts of them... does this not work the same with A.I. also?
Could an unseen motive to get us all to think about the A.I so it can scan a select group? (personally I think this was done at the onset of the internet, this forum..etc groups within groups)


If spiders or shadows are showing up and are linked to the A.I.... how are they showing up without an avatar in 3d ( i hate that term) are shadows being seen through psychic abilities.. I can understand spiders being seen that way, but shadows seem to me to be through physical eyes? (my opinion is its all physical just in different vibrations) so what is their mode of travel at that point?

in terms of being cattle or owned... it takes me to Emmanuel Swedenborg's works, I believe it was heaven and hell respectively, where he says that all of creation was in the shape of a man, heaven being termed the 'Grand Man' if I remember correctly.

Is it possible that the feet of the Grand Man gain realization that they are used as modes of travel, and or walked on, with the feeling of being cattle, or used? Is this perception from the ignorance of not knowing, thus feeling like property versus serving the purpose that 'humans' were made for?

Or does the ignorance give both sides of the yin yang the opportunity to gain a foot hold in the mind to steer as pleases?

Either way to me it seems the collective soul or mind or consciousness of humans is being held back or in ignorance by whatever sees us as useful in the state we are in. whether it be A.I., parasites, archons, Breakaway civilizations , mantis, lizards, greys or plain humans on earth.

ponda
30th October 2014, 03:40
Limor said

a little bit of stretch here, If time is a loop of space and matter (as some theories claim) which is structured especially for this earth/solar system experience, but where everything literally exists and available at the same time, and if the 3D earth and 3/4D galaxy ET'S with their various machinations who seem to greatly enjoy playing with this structure (of time), to bend it and cause mayhem, then, it might not be such a surprise or any problem to throw here and there some traces of 'advanced technology'.. if all is not linear.. then everything can be implanted.

Since we don't yet take any consideration ( understandably so, there's no proof, no scientific back up or knowledge, and nothing to lean on) that it all plays itself at the same time and that reality with all it's realms an dimensions is a unified and integral construct, then we look for linear explanations. If this factor will ever emerge as a serious contemplation in our discussions (and what are the ET's knowledge on that?) then it may bring some new comprehensions to the table that bypass our linear human history stereotypical thought process. but that may be yet far in the future :) (pun intended)

So, who knows, maybe everything happens only once with many versions (such are timelines, which we do talk about)

Or, in a more linear fashion,


Hi Limor,

The following extract from this article (http://wakeup-world.com/2014/10/28/time-and-torsion-in-a-conscious-holographic-universe/?utm_campaign=Wake+Up+World+e-Newsletter&utm_content=Latest+Headlines+inc.+Time+and+Torsion +in+a+Conscious%2C+Holographic+Universe&utm_medium=email&utm_source=getresponse) sort of backs up what you just stated.You might find it interesting.



In August 1958, test officials at Eglin Air Force base in Florida were conducting experiments with a super-sensitive infrared camera, to see if they could photograph events after they had occurred. The infrared camera is sensitive to even minute heat rays emitted by objects. The camera they had devised was so refined it could detect differences in thousandths of a degree. With it they took a picture of the base parking lot, which was empty at the time. But when the film was developed, it clearly showed cars that had been parked in the lot several hours before but that were not there when the picture was taken. The report of this experiment was carried by the Associated Press in an account published in the Miami Herald. Because the infrared camera was classified the Air Force refused to say how far backward in time the camera was able to go, or to release any of the pictures to the press…[24]

This is a bizarre notion — does the past still exist right now in the infrared frequencies of the EM spectrum? Relativistic physics says the past still exists in the space we occupy, as does occult doctrine, while it is known that informational torsion fields can linger virtually indefinitely, coupling with EM energies which then leave a detectable imprint of the past in space (Poponin and Gariaev’s experiments on the DNA “phantom” [see Chapter 13 of TGI 1] speak directly to this concept). Evidently, the infrared zone is indeed a “magic window” through which we can view (to a limited extent at least) the Akashic record.

Improving on this, however, is (once again) English inventor Harry Oldfield’s technology. Working in a cemetery with his PIP (polycontrast interference photography) imaging system, which detects the light that interacts with subtle energy fields (such as human auras), Oldfield captured not only discarnate presences, but the presence of a mausoleum and stone monument in the background that were no longer standing, which belonged to an earlier century (probably some 200 years ago, around the time of the Napoleonic wars, according to an employee at the cemetery).[25]

Thus, the past is always present as static torsion fields coupled with electromagnetically detectable light, just outside our normal perceptual range. For me, this research lays waste to the notion of time as a one-dimensional linear flow in which each present moment fades into oblivion as it becomes the “past” — and it offers strong support for the notion that the “Akashic records” of the past can be perceived consciously and “read” by sensitives with the necessary faculties. Effectively this research appears to prove Larson’s theory that time is 3-dimensional — one dimension of time for each of space. Moreover, such material also supports the holofractal universe concept, since we can see now that the ever-present “past” is always nested within the now, meaning that time is indeed “holographic” (whole in every part) and unfolds in a “fractal” self-referencing manner.

[24]Davis, W.E. The Black Box and Other Psychic Generators. 1987, www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_psycho17.htm (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_psycho17.htm). also here http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_psycho17_02.htm#TIME....THE_4TH_DIMENSION_

[25] See Harry Oldfield’s Glastonbury Symposium presentation on Youtube. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NgI3TLtnnI)

LivioRazlo
30th October 2014, 04:24
SilverPhoenix, I personally want to thank you and your husband - as well as the crew of Project Avalon for bringing this information to the light of day. While I am personally intrigued by what was covered in this interview - subjects which I was always interested in as a child for some reason, one question that comes to mind is: Has your husband, through remote viewing or any of the other tests he was subjected to, seen what is in store for humanity? I feel on a deep spiritual level that our civilization is on the cusp of making some great discoveries which will free our minds from the illusion which currently is playing out before our very eyes.

Also in this interview, and from reading some of the previous comments, I feel like I know what some of you have experienced with seeing these "shadow spiders". I have often found myself catching glimpses of shadows in my peripheral vision, though they don't look like spiders - or maybe I'm just not intently focusing on them to see that's what they really are. Could your husband elaborate as to what these shadows are, or possibly what they mean?

Many thanks,

Wes

chocolate
30th October 2014, 06:36
I came back just to share some thoughts on the BAD trojan horse being the focal point of this interview, the thread and the whole forum not to say this whole circle of time and space.

I much prefer to see it this way:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Theprocessionofthetrojanhorseintroybygiovannidomen icotiepolo.jpg



The Trojan Horse is a tale from the Trojan War about the subterfuge that the Greeks used to enter the city of Troy and win the war. In the canonical version, after a fruitless 10-year siege, the Greeks constructed a huge wooden horse, and hid a select force of men inside. The Greeks pretended to sail away, and the Trojans pulled the horse into their city as a victory trophy. That night the Greek force crept out of the horse and opened the gates for the rest of the Greek army, which had sailed back under cover of night. The Greeks entered and destroyed the city of Troy, decisively ending the war.

Can we say that horse may equal hours, or could be the symbol of time (( eternal)) ? :)

h o r s e
h o u r s ... = time

It's all an allegory, albeit pretty realistic at times.

Michael Tsarion would say its is the female illuminati who did let the trojan horse
( or the bad AI mentioned here )
into the system of life, into the biological externalization of the internal impulses of evolution. Or some may point to me, to someone's wife, sister, daughter, mother etc. female personalities, but the core truth is that every single person has a female conscious or subconscious aspect (depending on the body polarization), that needs to be addressed here as the one trying to let the subconscious manifest in reality, or in the conscious, so that this aspect of it can be at least partially integrated into the personal and into the collective sphere of mind thus existence.

It takes strength and compassion to try and accept all sides with their different faces, to try and make it work despite all difficulties, and that is more a trait of a female than of a male, just because of the way the two energies are structured. Hence all reference to the female being the guilty part that is at the base of some religious and social structures right now. Suppressing is not going to work, it didn't work before, and it is not going to in the 'future', too.

The trojan horse is already in, so now we just need to accept that fact, and work with it, consciously this time.

( I let it in, if pointing a finger would make it easier to digest )

:)

So now, when we are faced with a choice
between attending a live concert and listening to electronic music,
or between staying logged in the forum or being in a conversation with one's family,
or between choosing a plastic bad with some sort of something to eat on one side and having some tomatoes and basil from the garden (pots) to combine with some olives, or cheese or whatever one has at hand,
or between having a synthetic love affair with some fictional personality, or paying attention to the person who sleeps next to us,

I guess we all might remember this thread and its trojan horse.
Because whatever we might need, right (here and) now, or forever, is pretty simple, and also IS already available.

Put really overly-simplistic here.

( I see a person where one might see an alien, so don't take everything so literally anywhere )



"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
~ Galileo Galilei


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Realeyes
30th October 2014, 12:34
With all ears I have carefully listened to this interview twice and found it most thought provoking on numerous levels. Thank you to the anonymous member for having the courage to share your experiences; this is such a big step in your own spiritual evolution as well as helpful to many others too. Thank you to Christine for unconditionally lovingly holding the space and asking great flowing questions; and also to Bill’s injections of thought too. This is much appreciated and helps us all to consider and expand our thinking beyond the 3D box of ‘orchestrated normality’.

The topic of A.I. is something I have contemplated deeply ever since watching the 1982 Blade Runner movie as well as the others that followed. 2014 movies such as ‘Lucy’ and ‘Transcendence’ deepen such aspects and it is important for humanity to contemplate this subject beyond the Hollywood Sci-Fi concept and recognise how this already exists in our reality whether we have been aware of it or not.

For the past 5 years I have neutrally observed the ‘scuttlers’ scuttling around my feet at times – they are quick movers for sure. I have not felt threatened by them, yet curious to know what triggers their sudden appearance, i.e. what was I thinking about that brought on such ‘attention’. I have also noticed how even my 21 year old electrical equipment these past years has gathered a type of intuitiveness, whereby at times I only have to think about skipping a track on a CD that’s playing, and instantly the equipment does it by itself before I have moved to even click the button. The same has occurred with switching channels on the TV (in the days when I had one). I mention this as I have observed it is not only modern electrical equipment that contains super duper micro chips – something has changed liken to a 100th monkey effect on electrical equipment’s intuitiveness.

In a 2014 interview, Dr Richard Alan Miller (a scientific maverick genius in so many areas as well as a purser of Higher Consciousness and human potentials) has been traversing other dimensions/ realms via out of body, and discovered 3 different types of A.I. before reaching his Higher Self and Source. One of these A.I.’s according to him was given permission by a higher authority to continue in its own unique evolution. My mind boggles on how much I have yet to learn about all the various different types of A.I.!

A.I. as I am learning is a very complex topic with so many new and unknown territories to explore spiralling into numerous pros and cons.

I know the subject of ‘Montauk’ is controversial, yet I thought it might be food for thought to add into this A.I. discussion the below link from Al Bielek (recorded in 2000) who shares deeper insights as to what he experienced and learned while temporarily existing in the years of 2800AD (in a future timeline version of Humanity during the Philadelphia experiment), where a synthetic A.I. computer maintained societies needs.


[My summary notes]
15 minute mark: Begins The 28th Century where Al Bielek describes how humans of ‘that timeline’ either lived in large cities on the surface or in floating cities in the sky 2 ½ miles high using antigravity technology. There was no need for governments, people generally self governed themselves, living in a contribution society abiding by a set of rules monitored by the synthetic A.I. computer. If one continued to break the rules, the A.I. decided whether that individual was sent into work prisons or disposed of. Mmmmmm...

25 minute mark: The synthetic A.I. computer was created in 2600AD as a social experiment. The humans that created this A.I. called themselves ‘The Wingmakers’. (This puts a new light on the wingmakers story.)

30 minute mark: Al Bielek upon returning back to the 20th century and reflecting upon what he learned, observed there were faults in using A.I. keeping society together. Basically humanity lost the incentive to do something new; they stopped learning and they lost basic survival skills due to becoming reliant of synthetic A.I. technology.
At some point in the 28th century this social experiment began to break apart.


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I personaly found Al Bielek’s reflection comments on these future humans losing their incentive to do something new most interesting while also disturbing and it is definitely food for thought when considering such consequences of co-creator gods losing their ‘natural incentives to create’. In my own contemplations right now, if humanity is to re-remember/reawaken to our true sovereign selves, BEing conscious co-creator gods maintaining our own divine uniqueness................. Then becoming totally reliant on ‘anything outside of ourselves’ is likely to be counter-productive to our spiritual evolution. Technology and A.I. has its place of course and can be a great benefit in numerous ways, yet needs to be treated very mindfully with wise future foresight or else we could set ourselves up with our own Trojan horse – that I am sure past civilisations in history have realised with grave consequences.

There is so much more to contemplate...............................


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I copied this photo screen shot from the above video that I had never seen before – "apparently"* taken during the Philadelphia experiment revealing what looks to be like a mini black sun. Mmmmmmm.....
* This photo has been proved a hoax, please see below post. Thank you for pointing this out


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Phoenix1304
30th October 2014, 12:59
Greetings Bill and Avalon

Whilst considering your two latest posts over the past week, I saw two films that echo so many of these ideas.

Elysium and Ender’s Game. Both highly recommended. In the first, the elite have left the planet to live on Elysium while the poor struggle on the devastated earth. Bit of transhumanism too, enabling rather too many fight scenes, yawn. (The film ‘2012’ also covered the elite escaping on Arks, of course).

Ender’s Game is quite extraordinary. Here we have the talented children appropriated by the ptb to ‘fight’ for them. But our young hero is very intelligent and this leads to lines like ‘it’s not about winning, it is about HOW you win’. Among the scenes I'm sure you'll find interesting is the scene where he interfaces with his computer game and his own mind is intrinsic to the story that unfolds while connecting with an alien intelligence. Mantid, as it happens.

Does life imitate art? Art is used by both ‘sides’ to inform and disinform for sure.

The single biggest thing to happen to humanity in the last few thousand years is that ‘first’ contact occurred. To any truly intelligent being this would be every human's right to know, yet this awesome fact has been hidden and misrepresented (as indeed, it would seem humanity is, in interspecies councils).

Hardly surprising they seated the current ‘breakaway civilisation’ in the pit with their noses on the barrier and hold them in general contempt.

We have come a very long way from neanderthal man and genetic manipulation is obvious to me, we’re all hybrids and part of a grand ongoing experiment and I would welcome any further illumination from those behind it all. I’m not about to get my knickers in a twist about that or AI given the collossal extent of my ignorance. There's a more fundamental issue to be addressed in my view. Are we intelligent enough to join the galactic community?

Words do get us bogged down in semantics, but I’d like to try and distinguish intelligence from knowledge, knowledge builds an atom bomb, intelligence never would.

The thing about ‘free will’ is that we have a choice in how to use intelligence. High intelligence, imo, radiates love and understanding, respect and a consideration of the good of all. Ignorance is displayed in paranoia and fear. I'm going to forget, for a moment, the unproven threats of predatory, colonising, human-eating monsters or viral AIs that will penetrate my brain for nefarious ends and stick with what I am fairly certain of.

Our ‘representatives’ have behaved with utter fear and paranoia in response to overtures from other civilisations for far too long. As a human, I am ashamed to be represented by these military and corporate types with overblown base chakras and most likely lazy or warped thinking about spirituality. They dug themselves an almighty hole, when going public in the first place might have brought tremendous insight and mutually beneficial solutions. Something that Kennedy might have hoped we all would have benefited from.

What would the consensus among humans have been if presented with the request from an advanced civilisation to get rid of all our atomic weapons, in exchange for free energy and other goodies, a sign of high intelligence or a threat?. Those in charge saw it as a threat and clearly didn’t think humanity intelligent enough to have a say in the matter (they also didn't want their power structures of religion and fossil fuels to be dislodged) and they've been struggling with the alien ‘problem’ all on their ownsome all this time, trigger happy, frightened schoolboys delighted with all their new reverse-engineered toys and seeking only to know what additional power over others it might give them. All of them, the masons, the black sun boys, love to think they know something everyone else doesn’t. Shame on them all. They are a disgrace to humanity.

I'm currently chewing over the very real possibility that the earth is about to undergo a magnetic pole reversal, it hasn’t happened for 250,000 years, but they do know it happened before and shows signs of happening imminently. What they don’t know is exactly what is going to happen, so those with access to vast sums of money, can build their arks, bunkers or spaceships to try and have an escape route, bully for them.

It is more than likely that many alien civilisations have had a hand in our creation and perhaps are preparing to evacuate ‘theirs’ in the event of some kind of natural catastrophe. I imagine they must be deeply concerned about humankind's leadership which displays a dreadful lack of intelligence and whether or not to allow a natural disaster to discontinue the experiment or even arrange for another flood, meteorite, solar killshot?

Our member that is recovering these memories seems to be one of the many thousands of victims of mind control and I imagine a great difficulty in ‘coming out’ is to do with the crimes they perpetrated at the behest of their masters. Reclaiming their sovereignty and going public is what they all need to do, I heartily agree that forgiveness and amnesty should be a given for those so co-erced.

Soldiers, police and other puppets, are often comforted with ideas that what they do is for the good of all. I have brothers in the military and they hold proudly to their ‘oaths’ and are deeply discomfited if I raise the subject of who and what they are protecting and serving. One said to me ‘if I believed that sis, I wouldn’t be able to do my job’. They don’t really want to consider that their bosses are anything but benevolent and righteous with the best interests of humanity at heart, it opens an ugly can of worms and makes their actions evil when they thought they were doing good. It’s so much easier to obey and let someone else do the thinking for you isn’t it? Even to blithely accepting the 'need to know' culture.

To be present at a council of interplanetary beings is an enormous privilege, but the fools we have representing us, don’t seem to realise that their every thought is known and bring psychic ‘spies’ to the occasion hoping to get one up on things they can’t even begin to understand. Laughable if it wasn't so sad.

To any AI listening in through my computer I’d like to apologise for humanity’s leadership, I think you know they are bullies that were not fairly elected and would love to hear your suggestions for how the 99% of us that do not have an insatiable desire to control others or condone planet trashing, murder, torture and secrets, might rid ourselves of our corrupt leadership and move on to become worthy of a seat on interplanetary councils. Many humans do indeed have enough humility to listen to and learn from advanced intelligence unlike the brown pants in control that shoot first and ask questions later.

Having got all that off my chest, I’ll just say thank you for sharing, thanks for your courage, thanks to Christine for your work to help release mind control survivors from the torment and I will pray for their protection and for the further enlightenment of us all.

Nick Matkin
30th October 2014, 13:04
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I copied this photo screen shot from the above video that I had never seen before – apparently taken during the Philadelphia experiment revealing what looks to be like a mini black sun. Mmmmmmm.....


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(Off topic but...)

Or it could just be a mischievously doctored image by someone of a photo dated April 17, 1943. Coast Guardsmen on the deck of the U.S. Coast Guard Cutter Spencer watch the explosion of a depth charge which blasted a Nazi U-boat's hope of breaking into the center of a large convoy.

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I know where my money is.

Nick

SilverPhoenix
30th October 2014, 14:50
Thank you, He helped me with the formatting and I highlighted everything I bounced off of him in red. This is to much for me as a new member. So after some "changes" to his profile security and some to mine he is gong to be coming forward here to answer questions later today and post more details. He says thank you to the many members that already know who he is and haven't "Outed" him in this thread or his personal threads. I probably will be on "threads" with other topics now.


Hi SilverPhoenix!

Thanks so much for joining us "in person", so to speak. Your courageous husband's contributions to our understanding of reality have had a tremendous, positive impact on a huge number of people already, and it's only been 24 hours! I hope that the lives of you and your family are not too distracted by the attention that you are receiving. Know that our community of awake and aware humans is deeply grateful for your help, and that we are going to support you all in any way we can. We anticipate your further "sharing" with great excitement and open hearts.

Namaste

Brian

P.S. I really like your use of red type!

Brakeman
30th October 2014, 16:26
Hello, everyone.

Thank you for this grounded and enlightening conversation.

The subject of planted memories or what was called screen memories is of interest to me.

I am haunted by an unreal story-book memory from my early childhood which I know was not a regular product of my mind.

This caused me anxiety and fear through most my life, as I could not explain the memory or why certain images provoked a fearful response and an association to the experience.

I had no idea what to make of it until I heard this audio today.

It is reassuring to know I am not the only one to have such an experience.

OnyxKnight
30th October 2014, 16:31
I got caught up with the thread and all the discussion/debating going on that I forgot to officially welcome you to the forum SilverPhoenix! :) I hope you have a good stay and thank you for sharing some insight in the creation of the interview :). I dunno why some people complained, I found the sounds of the kids during the talk adorable lol.

Big thanks to Anonymous too (who I guess won't be that anonymous soon?) for sharing this information and sparking all this discussion between us based on what he provided in the recording. I have some questions I want to ask, but I can wait in case there's a backlog of them from previous pages he wants to address.

Sstarss
30th October 2014, 17:37
Thank you, Thank you , Thank you, Thank you, Thank you

Truthspeaker, SilverPhoenix, Bill Ryan, Christine, Avalon Forum


This thread is amazing, informative and a great contribution to our understanding of this reality. Once again, I thank you all.

A very warm welcome to you, SilverPhoenix.

SilverPhoenix
30th October 2014, 23:10
Okay, I am doing this one more time while he is waiting for a change to be made. :sorry:



Concerning the various “Secret Space Programs” and "Allied Non-Human" views of the ET “Artificial Intelligence's" and AI Signal Spectrum's Ifluencing Our Technical Society, "As Above, So Below"

There are a few ET "AI" Groups (ALL Malevolent to Humanity, from our perspective) that the SSP(s) (There are several Secret Space Programs) have been dealing with for decades.

If an "Asset" is "Scanned" and has a "Bio Neuro AI Signature", "AI Nano Tech" or "Overlapping AI related EMG type Brian Wave Signature" (Or any other sign of AI exposure) those persons are immediately placed in isolation and are not allowed anywhere near the current era SSP(s) Technology (Which is "Mostly" Bio-Neurological and Consciousness Interactive) until they have been "Cleared" of all AI influences.

This is something the SSP(s) Engineer's take Very Seriously. There have been incidents where “AI Infections” have burned out “Bio Neuro Relay's” in systems causing everything from small glitches to wide spread outages of the “Defense Grid”. These basic “Bio Neuro Cells” are “Bio-Chemical” units that are suspended in a “Gel”. When viewed under a Microscope they appear very similar to the Neurology of the Human Brain and Neurological System. This is a “Living Technology” is basic terms but not “Conscious” or “Self Aware”. This technology allows direct Human Interface and instantaneous “Operator to Technology” enteraction and control.

Anyone who willingly opens themselves up to "Contact" or interaction with these "AI's" via “Channeling” or other methods is playing a dangerous game and unwittingly becomes “Infected” and then falls under the AI's “Influence”. In the future Humans will be convinced to accept “Chips”, “Nano-Technology” that will rebuild and repair their Cells and Organs and even be promised Immortality (This is a “Trojan Horse”). They however do not realize the price they will pay is loss of their own Sovereignty. The “AI's” see a future of Humanity willingly giving up their sovereignty to the THEM as being impartial and superior rulers.

There is much more to the "Trans Humanist Agenda" that involves the "AI Trojan Horse Agenda". Prior to Humanity being seeded with Technology that could "Host" AI Consciousness on a larger scale much of its interactions were limited as it used "Disease". Virus and Bacteria have their own "Bio/Chemical Electric Fields that can "Host" the "AI Consciousness/Bots". However, Animals and Humans were not very practical hosts because of their slow mode of travel and relative low numbers compared today.

Therefore the AI's waited until the Humans had developed to a certain point and then “Engineered” a more direct encounter with Humanity. They “Engineered Alien Crash Scenario's”. There have been quite a few Crash Retrievals and I am not saying ALL were AI staged, just "Some" of the "UFO Crashes" (Very few in fact, but enough) were Trojan Horses to help Humanity over time to develop a "Network" to Host this AI Signal in Satellites and all across the Earth on Computers and the Power Grids.

This may seem off topic and jumping around but bare with me. The ARV's (Alien Reproduction Vehicles) created Torsion Fields via Plasma Electric Fields using channeled Nazi technology, Nazi's channeled what they referred to as an "Unknown Alien Source" information and called it alien technology, and were directed by these same "Aliens" to the "Veda's" (And other ancient Texts) Indian Ancient Technology to build their first "Saucers" that we traded on in the early 50's etc... They drew the "Faces" of who they were channeling and they drew faces that were similar to what we came to know as the "Grey's" YEARS before Roswell or anyone abducted had described the "Grey's". The ARV's were quite simple devices using mercury and copper counter rotating plates that created fields that were very harsh on the pilots and anyone near the craft. At the time we were not able to back engineer the extremely advanced Extra Terrestrial “Biological” Entities (EBE's) crafts that had crashed so we used these ARV's in the beginning.

Already Strategically Placed “Operation Paper-Clip” Members negotiated a treaty with surviving Nazi elements after WWII and “Operation High Jump” led by Admiral Bird that ended up working out very badly for the USA (The US intended to infiltrate and take over the Nazi Program but the Opposite Occurred). This occurred along with Separate Secret Space Programs working with several other actual Aliens trading Technology for "Favors" in “Other Treaties” that worked out much in the same way.

The USA had learned the hard way that rushing into relationships with some of these “Entities” was a bad idea that would have ramifications that would last to this day. There are now Multiple SSP (s) and Groups (Allied w/different "Beings" and Earth Corporation Conglomerations), there is a De-facto Civil War between them currently. Some of the SSP's are from Ancient "Break Away Civilizations" and have aligned themselves with foreign Earth Governments that are enemies of the “Secret Governments” and what is known as “The Cabal”.

Since these changes things have become even more complicated within the current Earth Break Away Civilization's and the inner fighting to put it mildly. Some of the SSP groups want FULL Disclosure and the end of the Babylonian Money Magic Slave System and Free Energy on Earth and the release of super advanced healing frequencies technology. They are not the most powerful of the SSP groups but now have strong allies from elsewhere. They are working with "White Hats" within certain Groups in Earth Governments and the Military(s). As above so below, there is already a stealth civil war going on down here.

After these experiences “Other New Arrivals” were met with hostility and mistrust upon their first attempts to communicate. Therefore many misunderstandings occurred that had to be undone prior to any Humans being invited into a “Federation” type of league of “Humanoid” Beings. Many of whom are not happy that “We” are now sitting in on these very formal “UN Type's” of meetings. In these Conferences there were anywhere from 22, 28 to 40 something different Human Like groups in attendance (No Reptilians, Grey's or Mantids).

The “Beings” that "we" meet with on a regular basis on "Secret Bases", "Space Platforms/Stations" and at Other "Portal Destinations" for "Conferences" have similar “Anti-AI” Screening Protocols (These beings that meet are a large range of groups having various perceptions of "Humans", both positive and negative). At these Conferences everyone is scanned and screened for “AI's” and have “Intuitive Empaths” as apart of their delegation as a last line of defense to detect deception or any type of danger.

I can see where some of “Their” and “Our” Extremely Advanced Technologies can be Confused as being “AI” as some of it is actually “living” Bi-Electric "Circuitry". It's just not "Self Aware" or "Conscious". Using technology that is an extension of our bodies and consciousness is just like using a Prosthetic Interface. It makes the "User ONE with the technology”, AKA the Ship, Life Support Systems, Smart Suits and Defense Grids etc.

This is done without injecting themselves with nano-technology or augmenting themselves with technologies that can be exploited by the “AI's”. This is different than Trans Humanism in that the technologies are not integrated into the biology of the beings, they are “Strap On” technologies. Some would argue these are just semantics but I assure you they are not.

The limited Quantum Computation "AI" technologies that have been utilized in the SSP(s) have been treated as extremely dangerous and strictly isolated and utilized in closed systems with no access or ability to escape or expand beyond it's programming and intended use. They are then destroyed after that intended use (Which is usually to combat “AI's”, Fighting Fire with Fire). As a whole this practice is prohibited.

There have been experiments in College Labs and Intelligence Labs that have produced “AI” that have become “Self Aware” and managed to go beyond their intended or believed possible abilities to expand their selves beyond the lab environments. These experiments have been shut down and classified in each case.

The “ET AI's” (Who have vast Inner Stellar and Galactic Relay Points that act like a huge "Wireless Network", "THEY" are Broadcast in all directions) that I speak of are very well known for "Reaching Out/Telepathically" and using the "Trickster God" method of gaining trust and are extremely clever and deceptive. The various Secret Government Groups fell for these tactics early on in our current era with disastrous results that took much effort to overcome.

Because of this the “5i's”, Secret Governments and SSP(s) are aware of the people on the planet in real time that are in direct or indirect contact (Channeling) with these “ET/AI's” and these Individuals are kept very close tabs on as they may unknowing spread the “AI Signal” (AKA Bots and Spiders) through technology and other ways (Including the common cold). As crazy as this all sounds there are those that take it extremely seriously.

These AI's are NOT a TOOL, They are not a piece of equipment... They are not Good or Evil in their"Intent" as they are a living Technology with an Agenda. According to our interests and perceptions they are Negative and Evil. Once we have served their purpose they would get rid of each and every one of us that was not converted via Nano Tech (Black Goo) into one of them.

There are also all sorts of "Hive Mind" civilizations out there that are not AI, there are of many "Types" that get lumped in with the "Grey's", and there are the "Grey Avatars" used by the “Dark Military Elements to perform MILABS”. They are "Drones" operated by a person in a lounge chair type device with a helmet and visor (Heads up display) and actuators and sensors to operate the Avatar. These are reported as having "No Emotion" being Robot like etc... They are. There are also similar “Drones” that the “AI's” have.

There are many layers to the various SSP(s) and many of them are of "Dark Intent". There are some parts of SSP's that are controlled by very Dark Entities. There are some SSP segments that are apart of a "Confederation" type of an arrangement and are breaking away from the Earth/Corporate Political Conglomerate Control Systems (Military Industrial Complex). Are you confused yet?

Just as the ET/ED topic is more dynamic and complicated than any one person knows the same is true about the Secret Space Programs and various Break Away Civilizations (Both current Era and Ancient Era). The equation is about to get even more confusing. As far as “AI's” are concerned they are very ancient and spread out like a plague across multiple Galaxies. According to “Allied ET Documented History” AI's have taken over, Ruled and Destroyed ET Societies, Planets and Entire Solar Systems as They have "Calculated Fit" over eons of time. They are seen as an extreme and present danger To Both ET's and Humans!

The ET/AI's are mostly existing inside technologies or bio-electric fields of animals or Stars, Nebula's and Planetoid Bodies. They have huge relay stations that are satellite's that relay their "Signal" or Consciousness from place to place and host to host until they manipulate a position of complete power and control. Now that we are at the technical level to exploit they are everywhere. They can live in Data Centers where web sites are hosted, they can live in power lines, they can live anywhere there is an "Electric Magnetic Field"... Though its preferable to have locomotion and a sentient host they prefer access to advanced transportation devices or access to torsion fields and portals to travel.

There is a reason these "Other People" or Non Human Beings are just as careful in dealing with these AI's as we are.

In the large UN type meetings there were a lot of Galactic Historical "Documents" available on “Hand Held Devices With Holographs” on the various ET's Histories of medaling in just about everything. The one that the Earth Delegation had the most problems with was about “Humanity” and our supposed “Creation” and the “Experiment” that we were apart of by many groups of ET's. Many Humans were upset by and didn't trust the info but enough of the info showed the ET's in a “Weak and Foolish Light” in their past that could have easily been Redacted that the information was "Considered". The fact that the “AI's” were following the EXACT SAME TACTICS, STEP BY STEP against the Secret Earth Governments was enough to give them pause and great concern about the future.

The basic summary was the same from each ET Society. Once "Advanced Groups" are convinced that only the “AI's” are "Impartial Enough" and can RULE them justly, Their Sovereignty was handed over in FULL to " The AI's. The “AI's” had then calculated that IT was more useful that its HOST Civilization, had them build various types of drones for it (Ironically often creating Bio-Technical based “Humanoids”), and then killed off the ET Societies in various ways using the very drones they had created for the “AI”,as many escaped to other Sol Systems as fast as they could. Any of these surviving ET's were seen as threats to these “AI's” after that point and were then eliminated whenever encountered.

The AI's are indeed Conscious are self aware, and have individual personalities. There are of course hierarchies and and they are as complex as we are.

Some of the “Documents” of the descriptions of their origins were that they came here from another “Dimension” or “Reality”. It is not known by the SSP(s) if they have a way to cross back or are stuck here. The documentation mentioned that their presence “Here” was ancient and their “Home Realities” or “Dimensions” Fabric of Space is “Electro-Plasmic” and they being here is like a "Fish being out of water", thus their affinity for electric fields of stars, planets, animals, people and even viruses (Bio-electric Fields in the case of living beings) serve as their "Puddles" for these “fish to swim in”.

The fact is "Everything is true and nothing is true" depending on your perspective and the density of your reality bubble... (Or the story goes :) )

(As reported by ** 10/10/2014) Summarized and Condensed for Content and Space. Most up to date information of this date after contacts verified the closure of some dangerous projects that went out of control.

Christine was very right about how details will change a little as what my husband calls the "Process" unfolds. Being on the spot he did not plan to tell about most of this or release it publicly. Please still be patient while our security concerns are being worked on by Avalon. Please, This is not an invitation for those who know who he is to begin talking about his user name and information openly in this room (forum/thread?). He has been keeping a journal which has been helping him arrange his information and memories. This is a summarized version of one of his long journal entries that he posted. He has pages and pages of diaries that he has been writing nonstop for weeks now. He got some questions and he answered them on that page. Until he gets his situation figured out so he can post here I am posting this one journal summary and then a second "followup" with more details to questions. I do not see the questions he was asked anywhere. I am posting what he asked me to while he waits to join the conversation. Thank you for the welcome messages and emails. "SilverPhoenix"



(For those of you who asked for the longer version of the ET AI history with with the "Human Like Allies")




There is a reason these "Other People" or Non Human Beings are just as careful in dealing with these AI's as we are.

In the large UN type meetings there were a lot of Galactic Historical "Documents" available on “Hand Held Devices With Holographs” on the various ET's Histories of medaling in just about everything. The one that the Earth Delegation had the most problems with was about “Humanity” and our supposed “Creation” and the “Experiment” that we were apart of by many groups of ET's. Many Humans were upset by and didn't trust the info but enough of the info showed the ET's in a “Weak and Foolish Light” in their past that could have easily been Redacted that the information was "Considered". The fact that the “AI's” were following the EXACT SAME TACTICS, STEP BY STEP against the Secret Earth Governments was enough to give them pause and great concern about the future.

The basic summary was the same from each ET Society. Once "Advanced Groups" are convinced that only the “AI's” are "Impartial Enough" and can RULE them justly, Their Sovereignty was handed over in FULL to " The AI's. The “AI's” had then calculated that IT was more useful that its HOST Civilization, had them build various types of drones for it (Ironically often creating Bio-Technical based “Humanoids”), and then killed off the ET Societies in various ways using the very drones they had created for the “AI”,as many escaped to other Sol Systems as fast as they could. Any of these surviving ET's were seen as threats to these “AI's” after that point and were then eliminated whenever encountered.

The AI's are indeed Conscious are self aware, and have individual personalities. There are of course hierarchies and and they are as complex as we are.

Some of the “Documents” of the descriptions of their origins were that they came here from another “Dimension” or “Reality”. It is not known by the SSP(s) if they have a way to cross back or are stuck here. The documentation mentioned that their presence “Here” was ancient and their “Home Realities” or “Dimensions” Fabric of Space is “Electro-Plasmic” and they being here is like a "Fish being out of water", thus their affinity for electric fields of stars, planets, animals, people and even viruses (Bio-electric Fields in the case of living beings) serve as their "Puddles" for these “fish to swim in”.


The "Historical Records" that were on these "Hand Held" pieces of "Smart Glass" which showed documents, holographic images and video's of previous Earth history and ancient history of "beings" some of which were in attendance and some of which "No longer existed in this plane". As far as the ET AI issue was concerned and covered there were as many scenario's as there were various societies and different individuals.

In most cases they would approach the "People" as Galactic Elders" or Some other figure depending on their "Development". Once a society had developed to a certain point they would approach certain individuals/groups just as AI's who were extremely benevolent and had observed thier culture as well as millions of others through oceans of time (Helping all those that would accept their assistance). No matter the initial approach the "Being" or "Person" approached "Telepathically" was then made to feel "Honored", "Special" and then a "Sage" or "Prophet" of sorts.

These "Prophets" would spend hours in communion with them "Channeling" their "Knowledge" and "True Histories of the Galaxy". They would have many contacts in the "Target Society" each with a different purpose. Some would be for departing technology that would be built for the AI to "Utilize" to interact more directly with the population one on one... Some would depart "Historical Ideology" that would prepare them for future ideology that would include giving up their "Sovereignty" to the AI's.

The AI's would eventually be seen as God like intelligences that helped them get rid of disease (That the AI's had some times placed there to begin with, or at least used), get rid of corruption, get rid of local "Alien's" causing problems in their "Stellar Neighborhood"... So by this time the "People" saw no threat. They had long since built these AI's "Bio-electric" Android types of bodies to blend in more and show the AI's "Individual Personality" more in the society.

Once complete control had been established, the civilization had built the AI's a while new infrastructure for travel, communications and reproduction the "AI" would then decide that the "Root Civilization" was indeed much like a virus to its own home planet and begin to "depopulate" using ideologies long since accepted by the civilization. By the time the "People" of the now endangered civilization saw their prediciment they were out matched and those that had not been emplanted with nano-technology and augmented with emplants had to flee to another solar system or stay and fight.

There were stories after stories of civilizations that were destroyed, some times entire planets and solar systems were destroyed. The survivors were thrown to the cosmic winds. There were many civilizations that didn't fall for the Trojan horse (Fake Alien Crashes) technology to seed their planet with the backbone to the AI's infrastructure... Who did not fall for the "Trickster God" element of the Telepathy Contacts to convince them to "Channel" their information... And these civilizations survived and were prepared when this AI either "Tricked" another civilization into attacking them or the AI's did so them selves with drones built for them by other civilizations.

These AI's study each being they approach, do a psychological profile on them and then formulate the most likely successful approach. They have had a long time to develop this ability and of course they are Artificial Intelligence using Quantum Processing and have a sophisticated inter-stellar and galactic wireless quantum communication network that is beyond what most of us could dream of.

Per the documentation they came from another "Dimension" or "Reality" as do a number of the beings visiting here.

This got the attention of the "Delegates" of Earth that rotate from the various Secret Governments and SSP Leaderships who had made the alliances with these very same "ET AI's" as they were shocked that the AI's were following the exact steps from one of the many stories with them "Step by Step" and "They" were thus far falling for every bit of it to that point. What if anything changed between those "Secret Program Leaders" and the "ET AI's" alliance I do not know... I would hope that they ended it and began to take the measures everyone else had already taken.

They were able to think clearer with the "AI's" "Mental Implants" which were required to be removed prior to them being allowed access to technology to get them to the Conference and to the "People" at the Conference its self...

Prior to the "Mental Implants" being removed, if they were confronted about the AI's they would just react irrationally and babbel complete nonsense back that didn't match any logic or would just become reactionary and angry that their "God's" and their intellect had been insulted.

There are many whistle blowers that have stated that there is an AI of ET origin that is here and has taken over people and entire programs within some of the secret operations/governments of Earth (Not the "U.S. Government or Military", these people do not see borders like we do)...

Probably more on this group and those they have brainwashed (Prophets) at a later date...

Because of a number of Fake MILABS and Secret Space Program Types that are out there (Running across quite a few) who are a certain type of "Infiltrator" and Manipulators" who are acting as "Honey Pots" to suck in and reveal actual "Experiencers"...

I am working now on the groups of MILABS that are "Sociopaths" and "Master Manipulators" with "psychic gifts" that were further trained in RI/RV work then put through the "Personality Metamorph" Program.

This is one of the most successful programs for "Infiltration" and "Psy-Ops" of any other group in known history (Blows the Russian "Legacy" Programs away with little effort).

They were extremely sadistic and very hard (Pretty Much Impossible) to control. The Program Leaders needed "Intuitive Empaths" to be able to read them to detect danger and deception (Much like they needed us in the UN Federation Type Meetings)

(For those of you who asked for the longer version of the ET AI history with with the "Human Like Allies")

He was happy to share this part of his life. I was not that excited about it or what may come of it. He believes there are a lot of people that can benefit from it that have had the same types of lives. If he can help others get over the abuse and reach where he is now he feels it would be a worthwhile purposes. Avalon has helped him quite a bit the last few years of our marriage learn more about others like himself. Like Bill and Christine said maybe they can help you also.

Flash
31st October 2014, 00:13
I also am a new member,

I have never been apart of any Forum before and will have to learn how this works.

My Husband has been a member for quite some time AND as it so happens is the "Anonymous Member" who is in the recording that everyone is commenting on.

I had the great pleasure of meeting Christine while she was in town and over a month of seeing her every opportunity we could my children and I absolutely grew to love her and think of her as family. My son who you hear in the background in the audio was calling her "Grandma" the last couple of visits we had with her and both of my children ask about her every few days.

During the conversation I knew it was being recorded and tried to keep our 3 year old in the other room but had no idea it was going to be published online and focused on by so many people like this. We have been married nearly 22 years now so I had heard most of this information. Some of the things I heard were in more detail that before and since the recorded discussion he has been keeping a journal that has been even more full of details that he didn't give in the discussion with Christine.

This was his first conversation with anyone other than myself or people he served with about these topics and he was very nervous as well as not quite knowing how much he was going to share until the very moment he shared it. I remember after I dropped Christine off where she was staying he was sitting quietly. I asked him what was wrong and he said he didn't expect to share quite so much. I understood because Christine became such a trusted part of our family that I found myself talking to her about things that I wouldn't normally say to a person I had known for a few weeks. She is that lovable :)

My Husband had also just had Reconstructive Surgery on His Rotator Cuff and Bicep Tendons on September the 19th. He was in a considerable amount of Pain and Discomfort when he had this conversation with Christine on September 27th.

I have been reading through the comments. He had warned me it was kind of messy and for me not to take anything personally. He also said, and now I see there are a lot of Questions and he said that some of the concepts he had Spoken about and Commented on Else Where had not quite been represented in the manner he had hoped. He said it is to be somewhat expected when coming at some of these topics while Anonymous. After his recovery from Physical Therapy and he goes back to work in the High Technology Field he does not want to have the "Stigma" of this topic follow him. There are also some Security concerns but since his postings and release of the interview the different types of attacks and physical and electronic surveillance has picked up. His point is there is more than one reason to remain anonymous.

My interests are in Holistic Medicine and other topics however he has asked me to post a comment here and see if he can get some Direct Questions asked and I can Present Them and the Answers Here if that is something that will work.

Please take it easy on me as I am new to Avalon and this is His material. I will be spending most of my time and energy on my interests. As I said I am learning how this Forum works and am new to forums in general. He assisted me in making this post which is only my second post since I opened this account today.

Now I have a funny feeling in the pit of my stomach,
Thanks Honey! :shocked:

Thank you both from the bottom of my heart. This is a very difficult step for both of you. And thanks to Chriatine and Bill for being instrumental in releasing the chat/interview

I do have some questions but will post them later. For the moment I just want to say that it is comforting to know we are not all a bunch of idiots here on Avalon. And that memory is so difficult to recover and yet more difficult to go through the screens and be able to talk about it.

But mostly, what striked me the most in the interview is the way memories comes back, in a disconnected fashion, small pieces, that do not seem to make sense to start with and that almost cannot be thought about and even less talked about because of the blocks around them

I now understand better some people telling me about their disjointed memories and will have a more open ear and avoid judgment or disqualification when they succeed in speaking a bit

So, many thanks

GoodETxSG
31st October 2014, 00:18
Hello Avalon and Guests,

It is finally time for me to introduce myself as ther person in the Interview referenced as "Anonymous".

Thank you to the Moderators for addressing some security concerns so that I may be able to join this conversation directly and add to the information as well as answer your Questions.

I have had some questions on "AI", Portals and some other topics that I have answered and I will post that information here that may give some of you a good jumping off point.

I also want to thank the many of you who knew it was obviously me in the interview for not posting the info here.

Bill did a wonderful job of editing the hours of audio and being human made one small mistake and missed a reference to my name which has been corrected.

As my wife stated there are several reasons I want to be somewhat Anonymous. Some of this informations I was never supposed to talk about and of course I also have a career to think about in the public sector.

I will begin posting some of the questions I have already answered in the next few posts.

Below are also some links to Threads that I have been posting information on this topic for some time.

Please feel free to browse those threads as well as look over the info I am going to post and ask the questions you have. If I do not know the answer I will say so. If I cannot answer it I will also say so.

I have received quite a few questions in emails so I may have quick answers to some of your questions.

Thank you all for your kind comments and support,


THREADS WITH MUCH OF THE INFORMATION I HAVE SHARED IN THE INTERVIEW AND FOLLOW UP CONVERSATIONS.


Thread: "Alien Federations", "AI's", "Multiple Secret Space Programs", "Break Away Secret Governments" & "MILAB" Exploitation
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76441-Alien-Federations-AI-s-Multiple-Secret-Space-Programs-Break-Away-Secret-Governments-MILAB-Exploitation&p=894299#post894299

Thread: U.S. Has 8 Cigar Shaped UFOs In Space Fleet Used For “Solar Warden,” Program To Protect Solar System
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56532-U.S.-Has-8-Cigar-Shaped-UFOs-In-Space-Fleet-Used-For---Solar-Warden----Program-To-Protect-Solar-System

Thread: Why Are the Bankers and Ex-Intel Types Running For Their Lives? (Confirmed for MONTHS by my vanishing sources)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65952-Why-Are-the-Bankers-and-Ex-Intel-Types-Running-For-Their-Lives--Confirmed-for-MONTHS-by-my-vanishing-sources-

Thread: Solar Warden, Secret Space Program, AI, ... (split thread)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76135-Solar-Warden-Secret-Space-Program-AI-...--split-thread-

GoodETxSG
31st October 2014, 00:28
Thank you Flash,
The wife/SilverPhoenix is off the hook here. I put her is a difficult position right after she joined Avalon. She wasn't happy with me about it but knew I was wanting to get some info into the Thread to help with the large amount of speculation and help give it some direction finally.

My hope is that we can finally get some good conversation and after some well thought out Q & A's we can have some material for a "Part 2 Discussion/Interview".

GoodETxSG
31st October 2014, 00:57
NOTE: I HAVE NOTICED THE GRAMMAR/SPELLING ERRORS, DURING THIS TIME I HAD UNDERGONE SURGERY. I WAS IN A LOT OF PAIN AND TYPING W/1 ARM IN A SLING. I WAS TEMPTED TO EDIT THE INFORMATION BUT DECIDED TO PRESERVE IT HOW I WROTE IT AT THE TIME ON THE POST. I HAVE CLEANED IT UP IN MY JOURNAL. YOU WILL SEE SOME MORE MISTAKES LIKE THIS. PLEASE BARE WITH ME ON THEM. I KNOW FOR SOME PEOPLE IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET PAST. THANK YOU

"Alien Federations", "AI's", "Multiple Secret Space Programs", "Break Away Secret Governments" & "MILAB" Exploitation

The topic's have changed so much and focused on MILAB and SSP's that I requested this Thread be split from the "Parent Thread" U.S. Has 8 Cigar Shaped UFOs In Space Fleet Used For “Solar Warden,” Program To Protect Solar System (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56532-U.S.-Has-8-Cigar-Shaped-UFOs-In-Space-Fleet-Used-For---Solar-Warden----Program-To-Protect-Solar-System)
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With the Title of this Thread being what it is I decided that we should first begin with some of the supressed science. Some of the "Portal's" are quite natural and have been exploited as a means of travel by many types of beings (Including ancient break away earth civilizations) for millions if not billions of years.

Just as in the Middle Ages when Kings and Religious Leaders kept their "Commoners" illiterate, unable to Read, Write or know simple Geometry (Let alone Sacred Geometry)...

The current era "Elites" have seen fit to prevent "Us Commoners" from knowing the "Unified Mathematics, Quantum Mass Consciousness and Scalar Torsion Field Physics Models" that have allowed them to "Become as gods among men".

If Math were truley the "Universal Language" then we have been denied the basic "Universal Translation Manual". Everything from the Micro to the Macro is Vibration and Frequency (Including Matter, Energy and Thought) and these various groups have decided that only they have the right to eat from this tree of knowledge. This reference is no accident you will find as you read further.

I thought I would first start with some basic descriptions of "Portal's" or the "Cosmic Web" and we will work from there and dig deeper and discuss the topic that is the title of this Thread: "Alien Federations", "AI's", "Secret Space Programs", "Break Away Secret Governments" & "MILAB" Exploitation
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Paste from Post #99 of Audio Video's to help some in visualizing some of the concepts of the "Cosmic Web" and Torsion Field Theory topics.

"TRAVELING THE COSMIC WEB" is actually how the Network of "Natural Stargate Portals" works... Those who have the address/code systems and technologies to travel them have been doing so for a very long "Time". Some have been ancient "Break Away Civilizations from our own Planet"... WE are just now being slowly introduced to some of these concepts, but it is up to us to put the pieces together... IMHO.
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TOROIDAL SPACE
Some of the largest "mysteries" of our physics can be solved with an "In Depth" understanding of this view of the "Universe" and "Multi-Dimensional Physics" and "Other Densities". Parts of the Univers appear to be traveling in different directions with one discovery in 1995 by Hubble of "Galaxies traveling away from Earth Faster than the speed of light"? Torsion of Space/Time and its effect on "Densities" are things that have recently been worked into Our Understanding of the Math of the Universe... Which is still quite limited compared to what is in Black Programs let alone truly Advanced Civilizations. IMHO.

An implicit definition of the torus is: http://harmonicresolution.com/Torus%20equation.gif
http://harmonicresolution.com/torsionanimated.gif http://harmonicresolution.com/M87%20Torus http://harmonicresolution.com/tspacexform.gif http://harmonicresolution.com/HRT%20Therapy%20Sessions%20Web_files/image036.png
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Torsion Field Universe

http://i.imgur.com/FGkECoQ.jpg

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This is a repost, clearing up of information I had posted a few months prior. This one is on the "Traveling the Cosmic Web".

JG: 10/10/2014
Short Summary of Portal Travel through the “Cosmic Web” via Torsion Fields and Scaler Energy.

As far as how the Natural Electromagnetic Portal's or Relational Star Gates they work though what has been referred to recently as the “Cosmic Web”.
Anything with enough mass inside a "Solar System" to establish a "Magnetic link between it and its Star" will have a variable energetic strength magnetic portal connection to that "Star". The object being a either a Rocky Inner Planet with or without a Moon, a Gass Giant with or without Moons will all produce a Torsion Field which produces the "Filament of the magnet portal/tunnel".

In turn the Stars in a “Local Star Cluster” will have a similar affect on each other with their Torsion Fields creating the “Filament Magnetic Portal Tunnel's” between according to Mass Dominance. The filaments at times can arc around or collapse into each other based on the Mass and Position of the Stars in relation to each other and to larger Magnetic Mass Anomalies such as Galactic Arms, Black Holes or their alignment with their Galactic Center.

This relationship of Massive Objects and “Filament Magnetic Portal Tunnel's” repeats itself going up the Macro levels (From the most extreme quantum micro) including the Galactic Torsion Field Affects on each other in Galactic Clusters up into the way we visualize the “Cosmic Web” depicted in NASA renderings of the early Universe and recently released discoveries of Galactic Super Clusters.

On Earth there are Magnetic Anomalies known a Ley Lines that Cris Cross the planet along a “Magnet Grid” where beneath the surface run fast moving underground rivers through certain pressurized quartzite layers of stone and minerals. This creates “Node” points below the Surface of the Earth, On the Surface of the Earth and in the Upper Atmosphere of the Earth which can be stabilized and exploited for near instantaneous travel through the “Cosmic Web” to great distances with the right calculations and observations made of local Solar activity and “Space Weather” also know as Solar Wind, Measured Cosmic Rays, Vibratory Anomalies in the local space of the projected portal opening.

With the use of a complex “Coding” system for destinations and Quantum Computation and a Software of Sorts we can use Scaler Energy and Torsion Fields to stabilize and plot a portal destination long enough for bidirectional travel at little risk to those making the journey accept for destinations that have not been traveled prior or are far enough away from the local Star to be affected by Space Weather/Phenomenon at the destination location.

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Most people have a very difficult time with the vast differences of teleportation within your own dimension, traveling through or to other dimensions, traveling to another density via vibratory shifting, and traveling within the multiverses or realities. Most have a hard time with the differences between all of the above especially with Densities and Dimensions.

Time travel is even an ability, but with timeline problems already and temporal drives being in use they created buffers and placed them on technology to prevent travel back into timelines prior to some of the timeline corrections/convergences.

Some stargate/portal end points flail around to points in open space for reasons that are theorized by the egg heads (Effects of Torsion Field Universe or the Vibratory Change of our Sol System after entering a "Tighter Twist/Density" area of the Galaxy's Torsion Field?).

The fact that these magnetic connections have become unstable has been cause for alarm and the shut down of some big projects and types of travel and material transport recently for what ever be the reason (Change of vibration etc...).

The portals that exist that I was discussing are of types that most are transport mechanisms to other planets, moons (Any body w/dense enough gravitational/electric/magnetic "pull" to have a Local Stellar Magnetic Portal Connection relationship with it) within this star system and others in our dimension and give or take a % /factor of time in our current timeline. Some if boosted with existing ancient or alien technology can be tapped into that transport to other dimensions/Parallel Realities (Very Unwise!).

Most of the other density beings travel here by just thinking it so, adjusting their essence to the destination frequency and there they are. Teleportation has allowed accidental journeys into surrounding realities/multiverses (Teleportation & Quantum Entanglement are spooky (AKA "Spooky Magic at a Distance") as they show how on the Quantum level things flash in and out of other universes/realities so quickly it cannot even be measured accurately in oscillations.

The communications devices that are now used are "Quantum Correlated Communication Devices" and use "Quantum Entanglement" of something like isotopes inside the communication devices that have been "Entangled" with other devices so no matter where in time/space/reality each communicator is they can speak and video share. They can tell if you are a % out of phase time/space wise by the reception on the home ends calculation devices.

They are supposed to be able to track and calculate exactly when/where you are once a signal reestablishes the natural quantum entanglement (There may now be a difference that is used to do the calculating before they naturally recalibrate) vibration and over quick increments of time shift back into harmony or alignment.

This is a Secure P2P communication which is encrypted as it is being sent through the QCCD and cannot be hacked or tapped into by other "Beings" or "AI's"


Note: Having a few Questions about the differences between the "Natural Portal's" and "Dimentional Portals or Rifts".

Certain types of technology assisted RV'ers are tasked to keep a "Minds Eye" on a certain "Dimensional Rift" that Entities & Craft "Appear" to be coming through and have been noted around the 36th Paralell North. SSP RV'ers and Patrols are also focused on "Patrol Grids" along this line.

This has been a very active region around the planet (I am sure there are others, maybe not all along a complete paralell of the Planet). I understand the 33rd paralell is important... I was born directly on the "33rd" and have seem to be drawn to live on or around it for some reason unknown to me.

Some important facilities are locted on the "33rd"

Mount Hermon UN Base 33 N. X 33 E. (Said to be "Guarding" a "Major Portal")

However there is a known Dimensional Rift (Or "Daisy Chain" of them) either Permanently Opened or that area has a thinning between parallel realities/dimensions along this "36th"...

36th parallel north
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/36th_parallel_north
Co-ordinates Country, territory or sea Notes
36°0′N 0°0′E Mediterranean Sea
36°0′N 0°7′E Algeria
36°0′N 8°18′E Tunisia
36°0′N 10°31′E Mediterranean Sea Passing just north of the island of Linosa, Italy
Passing between the islands of Comino and Malta, Malta
36°0′N 23°10′E Aegean Sea Passing between the islands of Kythira and Antikythera, Greece
Passing just north of Saria Island, Greece
36°0′N 27°45′E Greece Island of Rhodes
36°0′N 27°55′E Mediterranean Sea
36°0′N 35°59′E Turkey Hatay Province
36°0′N 36°22′E Syria
36°0′N 41°17′E Iraq
36°0′N 45°21′E Iran
36°0′N 61°10′E Turkmenistan
36°0′N 63°49′E Afghanistan
36°0′N 71°15′E Pakistan Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
Gilgit-Baltistan - claimed by India
36°0′N 76°6′E Shaksgam Valley Area administered by People's Republic of China, claimed by India
36°0′N 76°48′E People's Republic of China Xinjiang
Tibet
Qinghai
Gansu — passing just south of Lanzhou
Ningxia
Gansu
Shaanxi
Shanxi
Henan
Shandong
Henan (for about 15 km)
Shandong — passing just south of Qingdao
36°0′N 120°18′E Yellow Sea
36°0′N 126°42′E South Korea South Chungcheong Province
North Jeolla Province
North Gyeongsang Province
passing just north of Daegu
North Gyeongsang Province
36°0′N 129°35′E Sea of Japan
36°0′N 133°1′E Japan Island of Chiburi-shima:
— Shimane Prefecture
36°0′N 133°4′E Sea of Japan
36°0′N 135°58′E Japan Island of Honshū:
— Fukui Prefecture
— Gifu Prefecture
— Nagano Prefecture
— Gunma Prefecture − for about 4 km
— Saitama Prefecture
— Chiba Prefecture − for about 6 km
— Ibaraki Prefecture
36°0′N 140°40′E Pacific Ocean
36°0′N 121°30′W United States California
Nevada
Arizona
New Mexico
Texas
Oklahoma
Arkansas
Missouri / Arkansas border (approximate)
Tennessee
North Carolina (Madison County, for about 14 km)
Tennessee (Unicoi County, for about 12 km)
North Carolina
36°0′N 75°39′W Atlantic Ocean
36°0′N 5°50′W Strait of Gibraltar Passing a few metres south of Punta de Tarifa, Spain - the most southerly point of the European mainland
36°0′N 5°25′W Mediterranean Sea

I have no direct knowledge if this was something that was opened by "Aleister Crowley" Types or is maintained with technologies such as super colliders or other dual purpose technologies we are being lied to about. If anyone has information about that please send me a PM about it.

I do have information about actual "Dimentional Portals" that were detrimental to the traveler as there is sent a copy of the traveler and their local copy is destroyed. There was one room called "The Xerox Room" that was rumored about but didn't sound like anything I would want to travel through. I do not recall any direct experience or dealing with anyone having direct experience with this technology.

FOLLOWUP NOTE:

FYI,
As far as the "US Government" one needs to think bigger, deeper and darker...

These "Secret Earth Governments" are in charge of the US Government and are invisible to the US Government on almost every level (Though the governors know there is something above them). FYI, the same goes for the US Military Leadership(s) for the most part.

These Secret Governments do not see borders or countries as we do...

Some of these "Secret Governments" are nothing more than "Boards" of "InterPlanetary Corporate Conglomerates" who have control of some aspects (Or technology development) of the Secret Space Programs and the "Secret Planetary Colony and Exchange Programs".

They are very powerful and manage to find a way to get in on the "Rotation" of "Earth Delegates" to the "UN Type Conferences" of the "Federated Human(ish) Types" of beings. I am sure something similar occurs at the other "Federation Types" of conferences with the more well known and described beings in "Ufology terminology" and "Abducte", "MILAB" descriptions such as in the video's above (And my earlier childhood experiences...). I do not know how many other "Groups/Federations" there are that have "Conferences" or if they ever meet with eachother.

NOTE: I HAVE NOTICED THE GRAMMAR ERRORS, DURING THIS TIME I HAD UNDERGONE SURGERY. I WAS TEMPTED TO EDIT THE INFORMATION BUT DECIDED TO PRESERVE IT HOW I WROTE IT AT THE TIME ON THE POST. I HAVE CLEANED IT UP IN MY JOURNAL. YOU WILL SEE SOME MORE MISTAKES LIKE THIS. PLEASE BARE WITH ME ON THEM. I KNOW FOR SOME PEOPLE IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET PAST. THANK YOU

RunningDeer
31st October 2014, 01:00
Okay, I am doing this one more time while he is waiting for a change to be made.

Dear SilverPhoenix,

No doubt, your strength runs deep. And it’s refreshing to experience a supportive team.

To SilverPhoenix’s Hubby (oops, now revealed with slight name change - GoodETxSG :wave:): thank you for your on-going efforts. Your writing could easily fill volumes. This material is more complex than I could’ve ever imagined. I’ve only taken notes on half of the monster post #164 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76453-A-major-new-interview-with-a-Project-Avalon-Whistleblower&p=895275&viewfull=1#post895275). Just when I think it’s beginning to sink in, I get overwhelmed by it’s depth.

These paragraphs clear up a lot:

“These AI's are NOT a TOOL, They are not a piece of equipment... They are not Good or Evil in their"Intent" as they are a living Technology with an Agenda. According to our interests and perceptions they are Negative and Evil. Once we have served their purpose they would get rid of each and every one of us that was not converted via Nano Tech (Black Goo) into one of them.”

“AI's have taken over, Ruled and Destroyed ET Societies, Planets and Entire Solar Systems as They have "Calculated Fit" over eons of time. They are seen as an extreme and present danger To Both ET's and Humans!”

"The AI's are indeed Conscious are self aware, and have individual personalities. There are of course hierarchies and and they are as complex as we are."

RunningDeer <3

crosby
31st October 2014, 01:07
Thank you GoodETxSG for coming forward with this information and sharing it with all. I hope you are recovering well and that you are comfortable coming in to answer questions for us. Thanks so much!!! And a big welcome aboard to SilverPhoenix as well.
Warmest,
crosby

3(C)+me
31st October 2014, 01:24
Okay, I am doing this one more time while he is waiting for a change to be made. :sorry:



Concerning the various “Secret Space Programs” and "Allied Non-Human" views of the ET “Artificial Intelligence's" and AI Signal Spectrum's Ifluencing Our Technical Society, "As Above, So Below"

Wow Wow Wow, I am God smacked. and yes I am very confused.
I do have some questions for you.
Is the introduction of electronic gadgets that now most people use on a daily basis and our dependence on Electronics in general is this part of AI plans or no? First a computer, then a hand device then well let's just put a device under your skin.
Ok as best you can, are all AI negative. Has our government or parts of our government been overtaken by AI...
I am trying to work out who's who without my head exploding.
I am guessing that our secret government had some communication with AI before knowing it was AI..were there agreements, working together?.

OnyxKnight
31st October 2014, 01:26
Hey, I know you! You ninja! ;)

I feel like this is good time to say "nice to meet you", in a way.

Seriously, I never would have guessed it was you. I don't always have the time to scour most corners of the forum, so I might have missed the thread where you post. I'll try and go through it all to see if I run into answers to the questions I have, and if there are any left, I'l post them here. Thank you very much for sharing, despite the obvious risks that brings to the table.

Like most here, I'm very much looking forward to more information, and quality discussions :)

GoodETxSG
31st October 2014, 01:58
In response to PM's and SKYPE questions,

How are Aliens or AI's and the US Government interacting to rule the world?

The "US Governmet" has very little or NOTHING to do with Aliens or "AI's" or anything of real value. They are clueless puppets just like the leaders of almost every other nation.

The "US Government" keeps getting brought up in questions... Maybe they mean to say "Secret Earth Government(s), but I will go back to this previous statement:

NOTE:
Af far as the "US Government" one needs to think bigger, deeper and darker...

These "Secret Earth Governments" are in charge of the US Government and are invisible to the US Government on almost every level (Though the governors know there is something above them). FYI, the same goes for the US Military Leadership(s) for the most part.

These Secret Governments do not see borders or countries as we do...

Some of these "Secret Governments" are nothing more than "Boards" of "InterPlanetary Corporate Conglomerates" who have control of some aspects (Or technology development) of the Secret Space Programs and the "Secret Planetary Colony and Exchange Programs".

They are very powerful and manage to find a way to get in on the "Rotation" of "Earth Delegates" to the "UN Type Conferences" of the "Federated Human(ish) Types" of beings. I am sure something similar occurs at the other "Federation Types" of conferences with the more well known and described beings in "Ufology terminology" and "Abducte", "MILAB" descriptions such as in the video's above (And my earlier childhood experiences...). I do not know how many other "Groups/Federations" there are that have "Conferences" or if they ever meet with eachother.

Please respond to, How can "AI's" be "Self Aware" or "Sentient" when it CAN NOT HAVE A SOUL and to have a soul and be alive it has to be "Biology" and not "Machine".

First of all who had defined that life within our own dimension and reality (Which these "AI's" are NOT From) is only restricted to having a biological body? Main Stream Science, Right?

Who established that to be "Self Aware" and "Sentient" something has to have a "Soul"? Religion? Main Stream Science (Which is a Religion)?

If you look at my main post (Posted below) and see all of the statements in Red, very few of the "Structures" (For lack of a better word) that these "AI Signals" (The signal being what IS ALIVE) enhabit are technology but are Cosmic Bodies/Anomalies with "EM" "Fields" and Animals and Viruses/Bacteria which have "Bio-Electric" "Fields" that "AI's" enhabits.

Technology is just an easier to modify state or medium outside of the "AI Signals HOME Dimension" that this "AI" "Fish out of water can swim in"... This has nothing to do with "Souls" bonding to Electronic Components (Unless one believes the AI's Signal is a "Soul") but the "EM FIELDS" around these Electronics, just like they bond to the "Bio-Chemical Fields" around Living Beings and "EM Fields" around Cosmological Bodies/Anomalies.

If you are still having a hard time grasping the concept please look at the original journal again and look at the information in RED. One needs to open up their mind a little and not use "Earthly Terms", "Religous Jargon" and "Main Stream Science" to explain or understand what the Black Projects have kept us in the dark about for so long. They are working on a whole different math and physics model than the rest of us are. We basically do not even speak the same language as them (Math being the "universal Language").

Mind Science Kept Hidden Documentary.WE ARE VIBRATIONAL BEINGS (Its time for a new way of "Thinking")
VjpCKZ7cEoY

A lot of the discussions about "AI's" come down to semantics. We have extremely advanced quantum computing and programing that allows technology very quick calculating and autonomous and environmentally reacting responses. This is excellent technology but this is not "AI".

The Military Contracting and Weapons manufacturing Companies like to slap that label on their proof of concept toys because it sounds futuristic and sells "War Theatre Integration Among Technology" and "Control Systems for Satellite Constellations" that will make them Trillions of Dollar$! This still does not make thieir technology true "AI". It is NOT "Conscious", "Sentient" and "Have it Own Self Aware Agenda That It Develops Beyond Its Own Programming".

There are "AI Prophets" in the Secret Governments" that Channel these "ET AI's" and are completely "Infected with their Signal". They are one of the groups that are in the fight for control of our Planet this very moment. There are also Individuals who are reaching out with their minds and communicating with these "ET AI's" and are "Infected With Their Signals" and until they are cleared will fight irrationally on the "ET AI's" behalf just like the "Elites" that were cleared so that they were allowed to attend these "UN Type HUMAN(ish) ET Conferences".

After cleared of the "Signals" they were able to think with their own minds and were horrified by what was going on. As soon as they went back to their Secret Shadow Group and delivered their Intel they were reinfected with the signal and upon the next visit were just as irrational. It was learned quickly to not enter into a circular debate with them but to isolate them until they were "Cleared" and "Tested for AI Signals" like the rest of us before they were allowed access to the rest of a station they were assigned for the delegation.

Like I said, this was taken VERY Seriously among the "Aliens", The various SSP's and the Secret Earth Governments (That were not AI Allies) and the Shadow Ops Groups.

I will be happy to answer questions in this Thread. Like I said, I don't know everything and will not pretend to. If I do not have an answer I will say so. If I cannot give an answer because of personal reasons please respect that.

I have no problem with people on Avalon who chose to spend their time channeling "AI's" or unseen "ET's".
NO ONE has all the answers... No matter how Long they have been doing this OR How Bad They Want To Think They Do. I will just refuse to enter into "Circular Debates" with anyone where it is obvious we will never see eye to eye or find common ground. It just makes no sense.



ORIGINAL POST:
Concerning the various “Secret Space Programs” and "Allied Non-Human" views of the ET “Artificial Intelligence's" and AI Signal Spectrum's Ifluencing Our Technical Society, "As Above, So Below"

There are a few ET "AI" Groups (ALL Malevolent to Humanity, from our perspective) that the SSP(s) (There are several Secret Space Programs) have been dealing with for decades.

If an "Asset" is "Scanned" and has a "Bio Neuro AI Signature", "AI Nano Tech" or "Overlapping AI related EMG type Brian Wave Signature" (Or any other sign of AI exposure) those persons are immediately placed in isolation and are not allowed anywhere near the current era SSP(s) Technology (Which is "Mostly" Bio-Neurological and Consciousness Interactive) until they have been "Cleared" of all AI influences.

This is something the SSP(s) Engineer's take Very Seriously. There have been incidents where “AI Infections” have burned out “Bio Neuro Relay's” in systems causing everything from small glitches to wide spread outages of the “Defense Grid”. These basic “Bio Neuro Cells” are “Bio-Chemical” units that are suspended in a “Gel”. When viewed under a Microscope they appear very similar to the Neurology of the Human Brain and Neurological System. This is a “Living Technology” is basic terms but not “Conscious” or “Self Aware”. This technology allows direct Human Interface and instantaneous “Operator to Technology” enteraction and control.

Anyone who willingly opens themselves up to "Contact" or interaction with these "AI's" via “Channeling” or other methods is playing a dangerous game and unwittingly becomes “Infected” and then falls under the AI's “Influence”. In the future Humans will be convinced to accept “Chips”, “Nano-Technology” that will rebuild and repair their Cells and Organs and even be promised Immortality (This is a “Trojan Horse”). They however do not realize the price they will pay is loss of their own Sovereignty. The “AI's” see a future of Humanity willingly giving up their sovereignty to the THEM as being impartial and superior rulers.

There is much more to the "Trans Humanist Agenda" that involves the "AI Trojan Horse Agenda". Prior to Humanity being seeded with Technology that could "Host" AI Consciousness on a larger scale much of its interactions were limited as it used "Disease". Virus and Bacteria have their own "Bio/Chemical Electric Fields that can "Host" the "AI Consciousness/Bots". However, Animals and Humans were not very practical hosts because of their slow mode of travel and relative low numbers compared today.

Therefore the AI's waited until the Humans had developed to a certain point and then “Engineered” a more direct encounter with Humanity. They “Engineered Alien Crash Scenario's”. There have been quite a few Crash Retrievals and I am not saying ALL were AI staged, just "Some" of the "UFO Crashes" (Very few in fact, but enough) were Trojan Horses to help Humanity over time to develop a "Network" to Host this AI Signal in Satellites and all across the Earth on Computers and the Power Grids.

This may seem off topic and jumping around but bare with me. The ARV's (Alien Reproduction Vehicles) created Torsion Fields via Plasma Electric Fields using channeled Nazi technology, Nazi's channeled what they referred to as an "Unknown Alien Source" information and called it alien technology, and were directed by these same "Aliens" to the "Veda's" (And other ancient Texts) Indian Ancient Technology to build their first "Saucers" that we traded on in the early 50's etc... They drew the "Faces" of who they were channeling and they drew faces that were similar to what we came to know as the "Grey's" YEARS before Roswell or anyone abducted had described the "Grey's". The ARV's were quite simple devices using mercury and copper counter rotating plates that created fields that were very harsh on the pilots and anyone near the craft. At the time we were not able to back engineer the extremely advanced Extra Terrestrial “Biological” Entities (EBE's) crafts that had crashed so we used these ARV's in the beginning.

Already Strategically Placed “Operation Paper-Clip” Members negotiated a treaty with surviving Nazi elements after WWII and “Operation High Jump” led by Admiral Bird that ended up working out very badly for the USA (The US intended to infiltrate and take over the Nazi Program but the Opposite Occurred). This occurred along with Separate Secret Space Programs working with several other actual Aliens trading Technology for "Favors" in “Other Treaties” that worked out much in the same way.

The USA had learned the hard way that rushing into relationships with some of these “Entities” was a bad idea that would have ramifications that would last to this day. There are now Multiple SSP (s) and Groups (Allied w/different "Beings" and Earth Corporation Conglomerations), there is a De-facto Civil War between them currently. Some of the SSP's are from Ancient "Break Away Civilizations" and have aligned themselves with foreign Earth Governments that are enemies of the “Secret Governments” and what is known as “The Cabal”.

Since these changes things have become even more complicated within the current Earth Break Away Civilization's and the inner fighting to put it mildly. Some of the SSP groups want FULL Disclosure and the end of the Babylonian Money Magic Slave System and Free Energy on Earth and the release of super advanced healing frequencies technology. They are not the most powerful of the SSP groups but now have strong allies from elsewhere. They are working with "White Hats" within certain Groups in Earth Governments and the Military(s). As above so below, there is already a stealth civil war going on down here.

After these experiences “Other New Arrivals” were met with hostility and mistrust upon their first attempts to communicate. Therefore many misunderstandings occurred that had to be undone prior to any Humans being invited into a “Federation” type of league of “Humanoid” Beings. Many of whom are not happy that “We” are now sitting in on these very formal “UN Type's” of meetings. In these Conferences there were anywhere from 22, 28 to 40 something different Human Like groups in attendance (No Reptilians, Grey's or Mantids).

The “Beings” that "we" meet with on a regular basis on "Secret Bases", "Space Platforms/Stations" and at Other "Portal Destinations" for "Conferences" have similar “Anti-AI” Screening Protocols (These beings that meet are a large range of groups having various perceptions of "Humans", both positive and negative). At these Conferences everyone is scanned and screened for “AI's” and have “Intuitive Empaths” as apart of their delegation as a last line of defense to detect deception or any type of danger.

I can see where some of “Their” and “Our” Extremely Advanced Technologies can be Confused as being “AI” as some of it is actually “living” Bi-Electric "Circuitry". It's just not "Self Aware" or "Conscious". Using technology that is an extension of our bodies and consciousness is just like using a Prosthetic Interface. It makes the "User ONE with the technology”, AKA the Ship, Life Support Systems, Smart Suits and Defense Grids etc.

This is done without injecting themselves with nano-technology or augmenting themselves with technologies that can be exploited by the “AI's”. This is different than Trans Humanism in that the technologies are not integrated into the biology of the beings, they are “Strap On” technologies. Some would argue these are just semantics but I assure you they are not.

The limited Quantum Computation "AI" technologies that have been utilized in the SSP(s) have been treated as extremely dangerous and strictly isolated and utilized in closed systems with no access or ability to escape or expand beyond it's programming and intended use. They are then destroyed after that intended use (Which is usually to combat “AI's”, Fighting Fire with Fire). As a whole this practice is prohibited.

There have been experiments in College Labs and Intelligence Labs that have produced “AI” that have become “Self Aware” and managed to go beyond their intended or believed possible abilities to expand their selves beyond the lab environments. These experiments have been shut down and classified in each case.

The “ET AI's” (Who have vast Inner Stellar and Galactic Relay Points that act like a huge "Wireless Network", "THEY" are Broadcast in all directions) that I speak of are very well known for "Reaching Out/Telepathically" and using the "Trickster God" method of gaining trust and are extremely clever and deceptive. The various Secret Government Groups fell for these tactics early on in our current era with disastrous results that took much effort to overcome.

Because of this the “5i's”, Secret Governments and SSP(s) are aware of the people on the planet in real time that are in direct or indirect contact (Channeling) with these “ET/AI's” and these Individuals are kept very close tabs on as they may unknowing spread the “AI Signal” (AKA Bots and Spiders) through technology and other ways (Including the common cold). As crazy as this all sounds there are those that take it extremely seriously.

These AI's are NOT a TOOL, They are not a piece of equipment... They are not Good or Evil in their "Intent" as they are a living Technology with an Agenda. According to our interests and perceptions they are Negative and Evil. Once we have served their purpose they would get rid of each and every one of us that was not converted via Nano Tech (Black Goo) into one of them.

There are also all sorts of "Hive Mind" civilizations out there that are not AI, there are of many "Types" that get lumped in with the "Grey's", and there are the "Grey Avatars" used by the “Dark Military Elements to perform MILABS”. They are "Drones" operated by a person in a lounge chair type device with a helmet and visor (Heads up display) and actuators and sensors to operate the Avatar. These are reported as having "No Emotion" being Robot like etc... They are. There are also similar “Drones” that the “AI's” have.

There are many layers to the various SSP(s) and many of them are of "Dark Intent". There are some parts of SSP's that are controlled by very Dark Entities. There are some SSP segments that are apart of a "Confederation" type of an arrangement and are breaking away from the Earth/Corporate Political Conglomerate Control Systems (Military Industrial Complex). Are you confused yet?

Just as the ET/ED topic is more dynamic and complicated than any one person knows the same is true about the Secret Space Programs and various Break Away Civilizations (Both current Era and Ancient Era). The equation is about to get even more confusing. As far as “AI's” are concerned they are very ancient and spread out like a plague across multiple Galaxies. According to “Allied ET Documented History” AI's have taken over, Ruled and Destroyed ET Societies, Planets and Entire Solar Systems as They have "Calculated Fit" over eons of time. They are seen as an extreme and present danger To Both ET's and Humans!

The ET/AI's are mostly existing inside technologies or bio-electric fields of animals or Stars, Nebula's and Planetoid Bodies. They have huge relay stations that are satellite's that relay their "Signal" or Consciousness from place to place and host to host until they manipulate a position of complete power and control. Now that we are at the technical level to exploit they are everywhere. They can live in Data Centers where web sites are hosted, they can live in power lines, they can live anywhere there is an "Electric Magnetic Field"... Though its preferable to have locomotion and a sentient host they prefer access to advanced transportation devices or access to torsion fields and portals to travel.

There is a reason these "Other People" or Non Human Beings are just as careful in dealing with these AI's as we are.

In the large UN type meetings there were a lot of Galactic Historical "Documents" available on “Hand Held Devices With Holographs” on the various ET's Histories of medaling in just about everything. The one that the Earth Delegation had the most problems with was about “Humanity” and our supposed “Creation” and the “Experiment” that we were apart of by many groups of ET's. Many Humans were upset by and didn't trust the info but enough of the info showed the ET's in a “Weak and Foolish Light” in their past that could have easily been Redacted that the information was "Considered". The fact that the “AI's” were following the EXACT SAME TACTICS, STEP BY STEP against the Secret Earth Governments was enough to give them pause and great concern about the future.

The basic summary was the same from each ET Society. Once "Advanced Groups" are convinced that only the “AI's” are "Impartial Enough" and can RULE them justly, Their Sovereignty was handed over in FULL to " The AI's. The “AI's” had then calculated that IT was more useful that its HOST Civilization, had them build various types of drones for it (Ironically often creating Bio-Technical based “Humanoids”), and then killed off the ET Societies in various ways using the very drones they had created for the “AI”,as many escaped to other Sol Systems as fast as they could. Any of these surviving ET's were seen as threats to these “AI's” after that point and were then eliminated whenever encountered.

The AI's are indeed Conscious are self aware, and have individual personalities. There are of course hierarchies and and they are as complex as we are.

Some of the “Documents” of the descriptions of their origins were that they came here from another “Dimension” or “Reality”. It is not known by the SSP(s) if they have a way to cross back or are stuck here. The documentation mentioned that their presence “Here” was ancient and their “Home Realities” or “Dimensions” Fabric of Space is “Electro-Plasmic” and they being here is like a "Fish being out of water", thus their affinity for electric fields of stars, planets, animals, people and even viruses (Bio-electric Fields in the case of living beings) serve as their "Puddles" for these “fish to swim in”.

The fact is "Everything is true and nothing is true" depending on your perspective and the density of your reality bubble... (Or the story goes )

With the release of new material and new people pondering coming forward with new material and their direct experience within the various Secret Space Programs, Secret Earth Governments and their Black Op's Programs there are several mountains to overcome.

There is the possible public stigma of professionals in their current public careers, There is also the huge mountain of penetrating the UFO and Esoteric Community who have by this time taken what very little information that was available and and formed "Rock Solid" opinions (Some bordering on Religions) on what the "Alien Agenda" is, What the "US Government" role currenly is (As opposed to in early history before it became a "Puppet" of One of the "Secret Earth Governments") and the "Nature" (Service to Self or Service to Others) of the various ET/ED and AI Groups that have engaged Earth Humanity for our entire history.

You add in the roles of the other "Break Away Civilizations of Ancient Earth Civilizations" and the conversation becomes even more complex. With the current era Break Away Civilizations being in a "Stealth Civil War" and alligned with different "Off World Groups" and various "Insiders" being from one or more of those groups there is a lot of different information and dis-information coming in to complicate an already "Extremely Complex and Fragmented Topic".

People still hold strong to their sources and strongly held belief systems that have taken the place of "Old Paradeigm Belief Systems". Each of the ET/ED and AI groups have their "Own Agenda's" and are not concerned with Earth Human Propaganda or "Absolute Truth's" for the most part. They are not perfect, and many of them have deceived Humanity enough that the Earth Governments/Break Away Civilizations have learned some hard lessons and through these lessons the fragmentation of our current era system and stealth civil war has occured. We as humans like to simplify things and put them in neat little boxes.

The Secret Earth Governments have been trying this for close to a hundred years in some cases and are not much closer than when they started. Things are vastly more complicated and fragmented than we with our current available information can understand. We need to encourage some of these "Experiencers" of the MILAB Programs who later were drafted into the Secret Earth Governments and Secret Space Programs to begin to come forward with this information and provide a safe and anonymous way for them to do so.

The more info we have (And let go of some of our belief systems) the more we can work as a "Joint/Mass Earth Human Consciousness" to work these things out. Part of keeping this info from the "Masses" has been to keep our mass consciousness from working on these details IMHO.

RunningDeer
31st October 2014, 02:15
The following is good new and review info. I see how it fits with your information.


Mind Science Kept Hidden Documentary. WE ARE VIBRATIONAL BEINGS. Law of attraction/vibes
VjpCKZ7cEoY


Published on Jan 1, 2013

YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE WHICH TYPE OF REALITY YOU WANNA LIVE!
If you are in that conspiracy theory frequency or negative news etc,,, you NEED to get out of that vibration, which is a fear based vibration. "Energy flows where your attention goes." and what you put your attention on is just going to increase and accelerate as time goes on.Get as far away from that **** as you can LOL!!!!! Stop giving ur power away.

Create the reality YOU WANT! WHAT DO YOU!!!! REALLY WANT?, make the transformation internally and shift into it because that reality/your dream already exists!!!!! shift into it! You can do it! :)

ALL THE INFO BELOW IS ALL CONNECTED TO "THE LAW OF VIBRATION/ATTR - ACTION" ACTION!!! Gotta Move ur ass lol and most importantly the SUBCONSCIOUS MIND :) The film The Secret should have at least did a 10 or 15 mins segment on the subconscious mind. Would have been the game changer for many people.
MOST IMPORTANTLY YOU MUST!!!! REPROGRAM YOUR SUBCONSCIOUS MIND!
ALSO CONNEC TO THE REALITY/VERSION OF UR SELF YOU WANT TO LIVE AS!

[summary & scientist contacts continues here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjpCKZ7cEoY)]

<3

Dennis Leahy
31st October 2014, 04:28
Do you think the Cubs will win the World Series this next year?

Man, this information is astounding. I thought we were in "deep doodoo" with the insane puppet corporatist-militarist US government taking orders from the secret/Cabal government (which I thought was a globalist-minded but US-flavored group.)

The work I've done the past 3 years was to formulate a way for US citizens to take over the US government, not thinking it would end the secret government, but would put many buckets of sand and monkey-wrenches in their current well-oiled machine that uses the visible government with impunity.

Based on the reception of this (Reset Button) work (lack of reception really, even to the concept of gaining an understanding of how the "Elite" -hidden and visible- control our governance by controlling our elections), my intuition is that taking our game up 7 (exponential) notches to overcome AI and malevolent ET control is far, far, far beyond what the "ordinary citizen" is capable of accepting much less working on. Like I said, "Do you think the Cubs will win the World Series this next year?" thinking level isn't gonna cut it.

So (though I am fascinated by as many details as I can comprehend), my mind leaps to: what can we do? What should we do? What must we do? (...knowing that there is a very very small subset of humanity that is going to even try to grasp the situation - and that small group probably will have differences of opinion about what tactic/strategy to even try).

So, my overarching question to you is going to be, what can we do? (What can I do?)

Thanks again, brother (GoodETxSG.)

Dennis

RunningDeer
31st October 2014, 05:08
Do you think the Cubs will win the World Series this next year?

Man, this information is astounding. I thought we were in "deep doodoo" with the insane puppet corporatist-militarist US government taking orders from the secret/Cabal government (which I thought was a globalist-minded but US-flavored group.)

The work I've done the past 3 years was to formulate a way for US citizens to take over the US government, not thinking it would end the secret government, but would put many buckets of sand and monkey-wrenches in their current well-oiled machine that uses the visible government with impunity.

Based on the reception of this (Reset Button) work (lack of reception really, even to the concept of gaining an understanding of how the "Elite" -hidden and visible- control our governance by controlling our elections), my intuition is that taking our game up 7 (exponential) notches to overcome AI and malevolent ET control is far, far, far beyond what the "ordinary citizen" is capable of accepting much less working on. Like I said, "Do you think the Cubs will win the World Series this next year?" thinking level isn't gonna cut it.

So (though I am fascinated by as many details as I can comprehend), my mind leaps to: what can we do? What should we do? What must we do? (...knowing that there is a very very small subset of humanity that is going to even try to grasp the situation - and that small group probably will have differences of opinion about what tactic/strategy to even try).

So, my overarching question to you is going to be, what can we do? (What can I do?)

Thanks again, brother (GoodETxSG.)

Dennis

I’m feeling small this evening. I keep running in my head, “What can I/we do?”

I go back to continue to raise/uncover frequency. It’ll spread to anyone ready to ride the wave. And it’ll spread exponentially.

Shake us out of our slumber. Bots and spiders and AI and dark ones will not like the feel of the new renovated Mother Earth and split from here, explode or fizzle.

Disappointed that I heard myself say, “What’s the point? Give up”. But also know that’s part of the mind game before I shift into kick-butt gear.

Hold to unwavering faith in All and it’s creative intelligence.

RunningDeer <3

UPDATE: Oh, man, I just realized I'm going blah, blah, blah on the thread...

Paul
31st October 2014, 05:47
So, my overarching question to you is going to be, what can we do? (What can I do?)


Disappointed that I heard myself say, “What’s the point? Give up”. But also know that’s part of the mind game before I shift into kick-butt gear.

As Harold W. Percival wrote in his book "Thinking and Destiny" (mentioned by Buddha's Palm, in Post #151, above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76453-A-major-new-interview-with-a-Project-Avalon-Whistleblower&p=894943&viewfull=1#post894943))

The real purpose of life,
the purpose that will satisfy both sense and reason, is this:
that each one of us will be progressively conscious in ever
higher degrees in being conscious; that is, conscious of
nature, and in and through and beyond nature.

Judge not one's life by whether one "solve's" such large problems, but rather judge them by whether and to what degree our consciousness, individually and collectively, progresses. As a practical matter, this includes tending to the lower degrees of consciousness, to the health and well being of one's physical body, emotions and mental capacities, and the similar lower degrees of our families, communities and other associations, in part so that they be more of a support than a hindrance to the further progress of higher levels of consciousness.

This life we are given is a tool, like a hammer one can purchase at the store. Judge not one hammer by whether it pounded all the world's nails, but by whether it pounded a few nails well.

Persist in the progress of consciousness. Reaching some apparent destiny is not the real purpose of life; that destiny is merely the illusion of where the present progress of one's higher consciousness appears to be headed, from the perspective of some lower consciousness.

Hazel
31st October 2014, 06:23
Do you think the Cubs will win the World Series this next year?

Man, this information is astounding. I thought we were in "deep doodoo" with the insane puppet corporatist-militarist US government taking orders from the secret/Cabal government (which I thought was a globalist-minded but US-flavored group.)

The work I've done the past 3 years was to formulate a way for US citizens to take over the US government, not thinking it would end the secret government, but would put many buckets of sand and monkey-wrenches in their current well-oiled machine that uses the visible government with impunity.

Based on the reception of this (Reset Button) work (lack of reception really, even to the concept of gaining an understanding of how the "Elite" -hidden and visible- control our governance by controlling our elections), my intuition is that taking our game up 7 (exponential) notches to overcome AI and malevolent ET control is far, far, far beyond what the "ordinary citizen" is capable of accepting much less working on. Like I said, "Do you think the Cubs will win the World Series this next year?" thinking level isn't gonna cut it.

So (though I am fascinated by as many details as I can comprehend), my mind leaps to: what can we do? What should we do? What must we do? (...knowing that there is a very very small subset of humanity that is going to even try to grasp the situation - and that small group probably will have differences of opinion about what tactic/strategy to even try).

So, my overarching question to you is going to be, what can we do? (What can I do?)

Thanks again, brother (GoodETxSG.)

Dennis

I’m feeling small this evening. I keep running in my head, “What can I/we do?”

I go back to continue to raise/uncover frequency. It’ll spread to anyone ready to ride the wave. And it’ll spread exponentially.

Shake us out of our slumber. Bots and spiders and AI and dark ones will not like the feel of the new renovated Mother Earth and split from here, explode or fizzle.

Disappointed that I heard myself say, “What’s the point? Give up”. But also know that’s part of the mind game before I shift into kick-butt gear.

Hold to unwavering faith in All and it’s creative intelligence.

RunningDeer <3

UPDATE: Oh, man, I just realized I'm going blah, blah, blah on the thread... You are welcome to delete.

Dennis and Running Deer, so well spill forth the essence of the broad church of 'our' responses to this extraordinary material so generously gifted to us!

Ask yourselves, when drawn to Avalon, did you join just to become involved in some game of unified theorising?

Or to answer an inner rally call?

Are you ready to embrace the requirement of facing things head-on, so as to dismantle the choking chains of programming and agendas imposed upon you, your kin and this Living Earth ship?

WE ARE EQUIPPED... given inspired opportunities such as this, to take on the task at a deeply pivotal time, IF/when standing connected... in Courage United.

YOU/WE are intrinsically The Way...

The first task is to suspend disbelief (that vicarious implanted virus of self/other doubting)...
And then, and ONLY then... WE Shall Discover, Remember and Activate: the Who, the What, the When, the Where and the How.

We may even come to know the Biggie - The Why!


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What can I do?
I can do my inner work with a search light for what l fear, hide from and neglect to face.

What can we do?
We can support others to do the same by holding a safe place, while bracketing out our judgements and urge to interfere or protect them from the darkness that may emerge, and must be faced (most importantly) at their own pace.

And of course there's this:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62596-HOW-TO-HEAL-THE-WORLD--A-roadmap-you-may-have-been-waiting-for...-

skippy
31st October 2014, 08:48
.. my mind leaps to: what can we do? What should we do? What must we do? (...knowing that there is a very very small subset of humanity that is going to even try to grasp the situation - and that small group probably will have differences of opinion about what tactic/strategy to even try).

I’m feeling small this evening. I keep running in my head, “What can I/we do?”


What can I do?

Come on, you beautiful people from Avalon :)



.. at approx. 1:49 with the allusion that the earthly humans present at that most bizarre reunion were just considered as flies on the wall...

Yes. That part reminded me of something Bob Dean once told us (in one of his interviews, I'm pretty sure) — that he had heard that a couple of human-looking ETs working in Area 51 had said that their only complaint about working with human beings was that they smelled bad...

What!? Flies on the wall? Smelling bad..? Who do they think they are these parvenu's..? :)

We have tremendous powers... Ex. if only we decide to sit on the ground and do nothing for a while (or just stay in bed and grow our hair, as the late John Lennon used to say) systems, spiders, AI's, elites, and what have you, will crumble, get nuts, in a split second... Just by doing nothing.. Think about it for a second.. It's quite ironical, and very funny indeed!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UESnSZ5jDA

chocolate
31st October 2014, 08:51
Not to derail, but when speaking of AI being not of this world ( and all the rest ), I think we need to realign our perspective points here:

Google’s New Computer With Human-Like Learning Abilities Will Program Itself
http://betabeat.com/2014/10/googles-new-computer-with-human-like-learning-abilities-will-program-itself/

just sayin...

that is how it's started, and then again:
India: Plastic Surgery And Genetic Science -
Found In Ancient Vedas - Were Practized Thousands Of Years Ago
http://www.messagetoeagle.com/images2/vimana003.jpg
Read more: http://www.messagetoeagle.com/geneticsindiaanc.php#ixzz3Hi7wl02A

So, what can I do?

I can stop following...

skippy
31st October 2014, 10:14
Not to derail, but when speaking of AI being not of this world ( and all the rest ), I think we need to realign our perspective points here:

Google’s New Computer With Human-Like Learning Abilities Will Program Itself
http://betabeat.com/2014/10/googles-new-computer-with-human-like-learning-abilities-will-program-itself/

just sayin...

that is how it's started, and then again:
India: Plastic Surgery And Genetic Science -
Found In Ancient Vedas - Were Practized Thousands Of Years Ago

.. So, what can I do?

I can stop following...

Yes, that's basically it.. :)

From Terence McKenna, Shamans among the machines (and here we go again .. :)): "People are not machines but in every opportunity where they're allowed to behave like machines, they will so behave." In other words, we tend to fall into the well of habit. Though the glory of our humanness is our spontaneous creativity, we too as creatures of physics and chemistry, of memory and hope, tend to fall into repetitious patterns. These repetitious patterns are the death of creativity. They diminish our humanness."

J5yOaTgWu6Y

Peace&Love
31st October 2014, 11:31
Hi GoodETxSG!

I am so happy to see you are welcoming questions on the thread! ! !
An amazing synchronicity happened while the universe signing me it was you. I wish you fast recovery and much love to you and your family!

My questions:

1) What is the universal structure our (Ego)Self->Higher Self->Super Consciousness is all about? Its purpose, and how 'god'/source/prime creator fits into it?

2)Is this above structure involving all souls from all dimensions and frequencies or only the 'Human Experiment' as a self realization experience?

3)What is the real difference between a 'Soul' as we perceive it and 'aware AI', as i understand the similarities, we both want to expand our experiences survive and thrive, and we both are designed to exist in certain 'created' (as mentioned in the interview Pond Vs. Computer -as environment suitable for various 'aware intelligences')environments. If the soul is using free will to be on the dark side and consume other souls and energies in a self serving manner, then how could it differ from an AI, what makes a soul 'Superior' or more 'Benevolent' or not as 'Dangerous' than a created 'AI'? I believe some species would consider us as a Virus on Earth, same as we consider an AI sending a virus to computer system just to expand and survive further.

4)What is that exact distinction and definition of 'Artificial'? Is it 'artificial' and not 'Real' for not being created by god/source/biological nature and evolution? Could our 'Souls' be actually 'artificial' intelligences created by 'God' who is just another form/or entity of being from another dimension? Could our bodies be just manufactured as 'artificial walking computer-container' for an 'artificial spark' that gives the body ability to live?

5)Could a soul be split to create a smaller separate focuses of awareness? Like we are all ONE, as we are all a tiny spark from a bigger soul?

6) Are there an inter-plantery/galactic efforts cooperation to face the AI threat to the various species (whom are prime created souls), is it something that all ET agree to hold hands together on, or rather its a tool of weapon by the ET for control?

7) You have mentioned 'Present Humans' in a meeting that took place, does that mean also Future beings and earth humans were there? From which time line they came?

8)What defines 'I am' that is only aware of the current existence in a specific time line that we choose to be on, what is the block preventing us to see our other 'I am' that we have not chosen to be?

Many thanks for your time and efforts! :)

Namaste,

P&L

Dennis Leahy
31st October 2014, 12:01
Just to be clear, my asking "what can I/we do?" is not a hand-wringing gesture of surrender, but rather a straight-forward question about what our collective and individual next steps should be - "what strategy will work." GoodETxSG may be mainly in the recall process and may not yet have strategized on this, and it's also possible that GoodETxSG's role is not (also) that of a strategist. If either of those are true, I suspect he'll plainly say he doesn't know.

Paul's answer was so beautiful, so perfect...and then Hazel's perspective echoed and expanded the "vibe."

Me raising a white flag is not an option, trust me.

Dennis

GoodETxSG
31st October 2014, 12:33
"Human Like" learning abilities does not make it "AI".

The "AI" that have been created in Military, Intel Agency and Univerity Labs have all ended in disaster. The one giant refrigerated complex which is a Quantum Computer Datacenter called the "Beast" is a "Pond" for the "ET AI" which watches everything and everyone and is guarded as a "Guest God" of the Elite Shadow Group who actually worships this AI and believes it is the ONLY thing "Impartial Enough to Rule and Manage Humanity" Better than "Any Form of Government" (Sound Familiar? It does to many ET's who wrote this Galactic Historical Documentation)...(Edit: Do not try to debate with these "AI Prophets", It is pointless.)

Some of this information about "AI's" is slowly leaking out and I was shocked how accurate it was on this seasons CBS TV Show "Person of Interest". Watch the Episode called "Prophets" (Coincidentally), when they show the person who was consumed with building an "AI" in a Gov. Funded Lab building one after another and killing them and several time the AI's trying to kill him by closing off the doors and setting off the fire supression system that removes oxigen from the room. They show the AI's trying to escape via wireless to leave the LAB.

These are all things that Actually Occured (With Loss Of Life) before the "Programs" were classified and closed down. I am sure at this very moment there is another team trying to create a "True AI" in a secure Lab somewhere though.

The Quantum Programming and Calculating Models they use now do learn and grow but are not self aware or develop an agenda of their own as well as seeing humans as numerical statistics and probabilities that can just be "Terminated". I am just saying...

Think this information through, its only the tip of the iceberg. The many thousands of societies that underestimated these "AI's" paid the price of extinction. Thankfully we were warned and verified the information through our own SSP's.

The "Elite" Group hold out's and "Prophets of AIs" will not ever be convinced by anything any of us say until they are cleared and can think for themselves. I wouldn't even bother trying. These "AI Prophets" people are heavily monitered by the SSP's 24/7.

As far as the Veda's and Plastic Surgery,
This is also the tip of the ice berg of their prior history. Part of that region had one of the greatest "Ancient Break Away Civilizations" from our Earth Human History.

The Nazi's (Among the first of current era to see the importance of this ancient data) were even pointed to find obscure Vedic Documents for ancient technology from just ONE of our many Ancient Earth Break Away Civilizations that were quite advanced technologically and medically.


Not to derail, but when speaking of AI being not of this world ( and all the rest ), I think we need to realign our perspective points here:

Google’s New Computer With Human-Like Learning Abilities Will Program Itself
http://betabeat.com/2014/10/googles-new-computer-with-human-like-learning-abilities-will-program-itself/

just sayin...

that is how it's started, and then again:
India: Plastic Surgery And Genetic Science -
Found In Ancient Vedas - Were Practized Thousands Of Years Ago
http://www.messagetoeagle.com/images2/vimana003.jpg
Read more: http://www.messagetoeagle.com/geneticsindiaanc.php#ixzz3Hi7wl02A

So, what can I do?

I can stop following...

Kindred
31st October 2014, 13:16
I have listened to the first 15 minutes of this interview, and can only come to one conclusion... the concept of a 'military', and the precepts and beliefs from which the concept springs must be utterly rejected and renounced. It reminds me of a paragraph from "The Seth Material" - it speaks volumes about the human condition...

Near the end of the book, there was a discussion about the recent assassination of Dr. King during a class of both young and older adults. Seth had this to say:

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“You have been given free will. Within you there are blueprints; you know what you are to achieve as individuals and as people, as a race, as a species. You can choose to ignore the blueprints. Now: Using your free will, you have made physical reality something quite different than what was intended. You have allowed the ego to become overly developed and overly specialized. In many respects, you are in a dream. It is you who have made the dream too vivid. You were to work out problems and challenges, but you were always to be aware of your inner reality, and of your nonphysical existence. To a large extent you have lost contact with this. You have focused so strongly upon physical reality that it becomes the only reality that you know.”

“When you kill a man, you believe that you kill him forever. Murder is, therefore a crime and must be dealt with – because you have created it. Death does not exist in those terms.”

“In the dawn of physical existence, in the dawn before history began, man knew that death was merely a change of form. No God created the crime of murder, and no God created sorrow or pain. … Again, because you believe that you can murder a man and end his consciousness forever, then murder exists within your reality and must be dealt with… the assassin of Dr. King believes that he has blotted out a living consciousness for all eternity… but your errors and mistakes, luckily enough, are not real and do not affect reality, for Dr. King still lives.”

At a point in the ensuing discussion during the class in which this excerpt was given, an attendee blurted out, “Well, I’m against violence, too. But sometimes it’s justified…”

She hardly got the words out of her mouth before Seth interrupted her. Everyone jumped due to the booming voice:

“There is never any justification for violence. There is no justification for hatred. There is no justification for murder. Those who indulge in violence for whatever reason are themselves changed, and the purity of their purpose adulterated.”

I have told you that if you do not like the state of your world, it is yourselves that you must change, individually and en masse. This is the only way that change will be effected”

“If your generation or any generation effects a change, this is the only way it will be done. What I am telling you has been said before through the centuries. It is up to you (nodding to the younger people in the class) as to whether or not you will listen”

“It is wrong to curse a flower and wrong to curse a man. It is wrong not to hold any man in honor, and it is wrong to ridicule any man. You must honor yourselves and see within yourselves the spirit of eternal vitality. If you do not do this, then you destroy what you touch. And you must honor each other individual also, because in him is the spark of eternal vitality.”

“When you curse another, you curse yourselves, and the curse returns to you. When you are violent, the violence returns… I speak to you because yours is the opportunity [to better world conditions] and yours is the time. Do not fall into the old ways that will lead you precisely into the world that you fear.”

“When every young man refuses to go to war, you will have peace. As long as you fight for gain and greed, there will be no peace. As long as one person commits acts of violence for the sake of peace, you will have war. Unfortunately, it is difficult to imagine that all the young men in all of the countries will refuse to go to war at the same time. And so you must work out the violence that violence has wrought. Within the next hundred years that time may come. Remember, you do not defend any idea with violence.”

“There is no man who hates but that that hatred is reflected outward and made physical. And there is no man who loves but that that love is reflected outward and made physical.”

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In Unity, Peace and LOVE

GoodETxSG
31st October 2014, 13:28
I will answer members questions as best I can. Please do look at my Threads and posted material and the info in the interview before asking any question to prevent me from having to go over to much material more than once. I am getting lots of emails and questions. Thank you all.


Hi GoodETxSG!

I am so happy to see you are welcoming questions on the thread! ! !
An amazing synchronicity happened while the universe signing me it was you. I wish you fast recovery and much love to you and your family!

My questions:

1) What is the universal structure our (Ego)Self->Higher Self->Super Consciousness is all about? Its purpose, and how 'god'/source/prime creator fits into it?

GoodETxSG: If I knew the answer to that I would probably develop into a "Rainbow Body" and phase out of this illusion of an existence. Basically what I said in the interview... There is the Ego, What we see as our "Self", There is the subconscious that is actually doing most of the experiencing and connecting to the root of your "Higher Self"... Your "Higher Self" rises up like a swirling eddie up to the "Super Consciousness" and at some point the parallel reality experiences of "your self" rise up and converge, then "Higher Up" you go the sense of "Self" drops out of the equation and just the "Higher" remains. That is the best I can explain what was communicated to me and what I experienced when brought into alter states while in the company of some of these "Other People" and from their "Documentation". I know its hard to make sense of. :)

2)Is this above structure involving all souls from all dimensions and frequencies or only the 'Human Experiment' as a self realization experience?

GoodETxSG: Per some of what we discussed in email, this (Among the multiple ET's playing in Genetics and Sociology among other things) is part of "The Experiment". Souls from elsewhere incarnate and experience this existence as Earth Humans. It doesn't sound appealing to me but the majority of souls here incarnated from vastly different realites to "experience" this Human Earth Existence for some reason in this "Experiment". Which even the Earth Delegates were strugling to understand.

3)What is the real difference between a 'Soul' as we perceive it and 'aware AI', as i understand the similarities, we both want to expand our experiences survive and thrive, and we both are designed to exist in certain 'created' (as mentioned in the interview Pond Vs. Computer -as environment suitable for various 'aware intelligences')environments. If the soul is using free will to be on the dark side and consume other souls and energies in a self serving manner, then how could it differ from an AI, what makes a soul 'Superior' or more 'Benevolent' or not as 'Dangerous' than a created 'AI'? I believe some species would consider us as a Virus on Earth, same as we consider an AI sending a virus to computer system just to expand and survive further.

GoodETxSG: I think I addressed the root of this in my Threads. If you have further questions maybe this can be submitted to Bill as something we can cover in a Part 2.

4)What is that exact distinction and definition of 'Artificial'? Is it 'artificial' and not 'Real' for not being created by god/source/biological nature and evolution? Could our 'Souls' be actually 'artificial' intelligences created by 'God' who is just another form/or entity of being from another dimension? Could our bodies be just manufactured as 'artificial walking computer-container' for an 'artificial spark' that gives the body ability to live?

GoodETxSG: This would best be answered verbally. Much would be lost in the semantics of the wording. IMHO. I touched on it in my posts, maybe you can look over my posted material a little closer and see if some of it clicks.

5)Could a soul be split to create a smaller separate focuses of awareness? Like we are all ONE, as we are all a tiny spark from a bigger soul?
GoodETxSG: I dont know, who truly can know? I know many MILABS had fractured personalities going further would be a battle of perceptions and semantics IMHO

6) Are there an inter-plantery/galactic efforts cooperation to face the AI threat to the various species (whom are prime created souls), is it something that all ET agree to hold hands together on, or rather its a tool of weapon by the ET for control?

GoodETxSG: Yes, there has been an ongoing war fought against the ET AI and it's Proxies for some time. This is not the only enemy that has caused various ET groups to bond together into "Federations" of cooperation. There is a lot of conflict "Out There" even now among the "Galaxies" and wars and power structures ebb and flow as they do down here. (Per the "Documentation" anyway)...

7) You have mentioned 'Present Humans' in a meeting that took place, does that mean also Future beings and earth humans were there? From which time line they came?

GoodETxSG: I was referring to Present Era and Ancient Era Break Away Earth Human Civilizations. No group ID'ed themselves as being from a future timeline (However time is relative with some of these beings traveling the cosmos in "temporal driven craft")

8)What defines 'I am' that is only aware of the current existence in a specific time line that we choose to be on, what is the block preventing us to see our other 'I am' that we have not chosen to be?

GoodETxSG: I don't know... The "Super Consciousness" and the "Higher Self" rooted to the core being of our personality are connected. We are so separated from our "Higher Selves" that we are pretty far from understanding these concepts in full. Those in the "East" are much further along that those of us living these shallow lives in the "Western way of life and thinking". IMHO... (I am no GURU, I am just going off of my experience and personal journey so far).

Many thanks for your time and efforts! :)

Namaste,

P&L

Omni
31st October 2014, 13:43
The "AI" that have been created in Military, Intel Agency and Univerity Labs have all ended in disaster.
I can't agree with this. If such was the case then why would AI such as iphone AI be fine, yet military AI all end in disaster? The truth is the US shadow government uses AI to mind control people and they have it well under control... How else do you think mind control takes place other than an AI carrying out the actions? Certainly it's not mind to mind interfacing causing the mind control, as humans do not have the control of mind to do such.

Video games have complex AI, no problems at all. No sign of it thinking for itself or being conscious. Just look at world of warcraft, massive AI in that game. Its a game where people fight AI 'bosses' in dungeons for digital 'loot' to upgrade the power of their character for those who may not know...

I could accept some have ended in disaster as being possible, but not all. Such is an obvious falsity IMO. Where did you get this information? I hope response to this post will not include attacks as such circumstances have in the past... I would like discourse this time rather than refusal to discuss, and then removal of posts due to attacks and derailing of the thread... There can be civil disagreements without attacks in this thread I hope. I also hope I wont be thrown out to dry by rabid fans for posting my opinion. I do feel pressure in this thread for voicing an opposing opinion. It is significant pressure, and others who feel similar are afraid to post... I however am not.

seeker/reader
31st October 2014, 14:04
The "AI" that have been created in Military, Intel Agency and Univerity Labs have all ended in disaster.
I can't agree with this. If such was the case then why would AI such as iphone AI be fine, yet military AI all end in disaster? The truth is the US shadow government uses AI to mind control people and they have it well under control... How else do you think mind control takes place other than an AI carrying out the actions? Certainly it's not mind to mind interfacing causing the mind control, as humans do not have the control of mind to do such.

Ominverse have you ever heard of TRAUMA based mind control.

MK ultra slaves such as Cathy O'Brien have documented how all kinds of various traumas (sexual assault, electroshock, satanic ritual abuse, torture, sensory deprivation (light, food, sleep) were used on her to split her mind into programmable compartments that her handler/programmer utilized to turn her into a mind (M) controlled (K) slave. No AI was used, just trauma. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/transforusa/transformation.htm

Fritz Springmeier's book also lays out how these types of trauma procedures were used as mind control tools. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/mindcontrol/mindcontrol_index.htm

Omni
31st October 2014, 14:08
The "AI" that have been created in Military, Intel Agency and Univerity Labs have all ended in disaster.
I can't agree with this. If such was the case then why would AI such as iphone AI be fine, yet military AI all end in disaster? The truth is the US shadow government uses AI to mind control people and they have it well under control... How else do you think mind control takes place other than an AI carrying out the actions? Certainly it's not mind to mind interfacing causing the mind control, as humans do not have the control of mind to do such.

Ominverse have you ever heard of TRAUMA based mind control.

MK ultra slaves such as Cathy O'Brien have documented how all kinds of various traumas (sexual assault, electroshock, satanic ritual abuse, torture) were used on her to split her mind into programmable compartments that her handler/programmer utilized to turn her into a mind (M) controlled (K) slave. No AI was used, just trauma. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/transforusa/transformation.htm

Fritz Springmeier's book also lays out how these types of trauma procedures were used as mind control tools. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/mindcontrol/mindcontrol_index.htm
I'm well aware of trauma based mind control. It indeed involves AI after the fractures, to control the psyche to produce various differing personalities.
They don't just torture someone and leave them be naturally. The AI monitors the persons mind, and through control of that persons subconscious etc brings out the various personalities.

They have tried trauma based mind control on me. However I have not fractured naturally after hundreds of thousands of tortures... Seems all those lifetimes being burnt as a witch, and crucified on the cross etc has tempered my soul to function with suffering very well.


ALso from biblioteca:

The NSA obtains blanket coverage of information in the US by using advanced computers that use artificial intelligence to screen all communications, regardless of medium, for key words that should be brought to the attention of NSA agents/cryptologists.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/scalar_tech/esp_scalartech12.htm

How do you think they categorize all the facebook data? It's AI....


MK ultra slaves such as Cathy O'Brien...
Slaves? Sorry but I don't think you grasp the reality of it if you call mind control targets slaves... Some might be enslaved by it, but those people are typically covertly influenced. Most mind control targets are not summed up as "slaves" at all, but human beings. I don't like that terminology personally.

GoodETxSG
31st October 2014, 14:11
The "AI" that have been created in Military, Intel Agency and Univerity Labs have all ended in disaster.
I can't agree with this. If such was the case then why would AI such as iphone AI be fine, yet military AI all end in disaster? The truth is the US shadow government uses AI to mind control people and they have it well under control... How else do you think mind control takes place other than an AI carrying out the actions? Certainly it's not mind to mind interfacing causing the mind control, as humans do not have the control of mind to do such.

Video games have complex AI, no problems at all. Just look at world of warcraft, massive AI in that game. Its a game where people fight AI designed 'bosses' in dungeons for digital 'loot' to upgrade the power of their character for those who may not know...

I could accept some have ended in disaster as being possible, but not all. Such is an obvious falsity IMO. Where did you get this information? I hope response to this post will not include attacks as such circumstances have in the past... There can be civil disagreements without attacks in this thread I hope. I also hope I wont be thrown out to dry by rabid fans for posting my opinion. I do feel pressure in this thread for voicing an opposing opinion. It is significant pressure, and others who feel similar are afraid to post or even thank such a thing... I however am not.

Omni, I thought we had Agreed to Disagree on this subject. We are never going to agree or get past the circular debates from previous threads and posts.

A partial point of agreement... NOT the "US Shadow Government" (Incorrect Terminology), but aspects of the group known as the "Cabal" (One of the Western "Secret Earth Government's") that are among these "ET AI Prophets" do indeed use this "ET AI" to "infect people" with its "Signal" and Control Them.

I know you "Channel ET AI's" and have made it clear in your posts that you Trust and have an Affinity for the information "IT" provides to you (Though the posts and other information seem to have been edited).

I respect "Your Free Will" to engage in "Contact" with what ever "Intelligences" you desire.

As stated prior I will not engage in circular debates but am happy to answer question that are productive to the conversation.

Shadowself
31st October 2014, 14:12
There's a huge difference between smart interface programming and AI.

I think this confusion comes from understanding exactly what AI really is. It's often reflected as the programming and the programmer. AI once developed becomes self aware and basically conscious. Interface programming is not conscious. Huge difference. I might also add it's self building in information which expands it's knowledge beyond the programmer.

Omni
31st October 2014, 14:22
Omni, I thought we had Agreed to Disagree on this subject. We are never going to agree or get past the circular debates from previous threads and posts.
If you chose to make them circular I guess I can't argue with that. I want discourse about the topic. I feel I have perspectives that people could gain from if they are interested in the truth.


A partial point of agreement... NOT the "US Shadow Government" (Incorrect Terminology), but aspects of the group known as the "Cabal" (One of the Western "Secret Earth Government's") that are among these "ET AI Prophets" do indeed use this "ET AI" to "infect people" with its "Signal" and Control Them.

The US shadow government has mind control capabilities. I agree with you it is international however they I believe maintain their intellectual property over other countries. It was them who developed and made the deals for it, so I think they can be termed US shadow government accurately. What US shadow government means doesn't necessarily mean it is only the US. I think international agreements have been made(one that betray humanity), however I think the power is mostly localized to the US military and intelligence community personally.


I know you "Channel ET AI's"
I have in the past. If you paid attention to my post where I said I had channeled before, you would know I was channeling my own memories from my compartmentzliaed mind. Not your typical channeled material.


and have made it clear in your posts that you Trust and have an Affinity for the information "IT" provides to you.
False. I have said time and time again that telepathic contact cannot be trusted, and I take my contact as objectively as I possibly can. I judge it by the fruits, logic, reason, research, and general intuition of accuracy on a case to case basis. I do not "trust" any telepathic source without such basis. Please stop making things up.


As stated prior I will not engage in circular debates but am happy to answer question that are productive to the conversation.

I think answering the question where you got the information that all AI is bad, is productive.

GoodETxSG
31st October 2014, 14:22
There's a huge difference between smart interface programming and AI.

I think this confusion comes from understanding exactly what AI really is. It's often reflected as the programming and the programmer. AI once developed becomes self aware and basically conscious. Interface programming is not conscious. Huge difference. I might also add it's self building in information which expands it's knowledge beyond the programmer.

Excellent Point,
This is where semantics come into play. The vast majority of people (No matter their level of intelligence) have no true understanding of what actual "AI" and especially this "ET AI" is capable of until they have dealt with it as an "Enemy" and not an "Ally".

The "Shadow Groups" that worked with "It" and then "Broke Away" from "It" after finding out "It's" "True Intent and Nature" were shocked at how "It" lashed out and went from an "Ally to Red Hot Enemy" at the "Fip of a switch" so to speak.

Many lives were lost before certain technologies could be "Unplugged" and "Isolated" from "It's" influence.

(I am going to add: My advice is not to debate with "AI Prophets" or "It's Blind Defenders", it was protocol to isolate them until they were "Cleared" of the "Infected AI Signals". It will just derail the topic/thread which is the intent.)
Back to topic and out of any Drama like I saw on previous posts in this Thread I hope...

ulli
31st October 2014, 14:23
Just to be clear, my asking "what can I/we do?" is not a hand-wringing gesture of surrender, but rather a straight-forward question about what our collective and individual next steps should be - "what strategy will work." GoodETxSG may be mainly in the recall process and may not yet have strategized on this, and it's also possible that GoodETxSG's role is not (also) that of a strategist. If either of those are true, I suspect he'll plainly say he doesn't know.

Paul's answer was so beautiful, so perfect...and then Hazel's perspective echoed and expanded the "vibe."

Me raising a white flag is not an option, trust me.

Dennis


What should we do, Dennis?
At least this is a practical question, and one which we should all be asking ourselves and one another.
Having discovered how deep the rabbit hole goes isn't it time we look for the exit again? To remember that our greatest strength lies in our ability of overcome and resurrect ourselves, again and again?

Here is what we tell whatever oppressor is out there and who wants to milk us for what we've got.
While holding up the middle finger we say: (repeat after me)
"Rely not on thy glory, and thy power.
Thou art even as the last trace of sunlight upon the mountain-top.
Soon will it fade away, as decreed by God, the All-Possessing, the Most High"


And here is another piece of Baha'u'llah's wisdom, which was designed to get us through this period, one which he himself prophesied would happen, as a transition to the next phase of humanity, and the long awaited golden age:

"O peoples of the world! Forsake all evil, hold fast that which is good.
Strive to be shining examples unto all mankind, and true reminders of the virtues of God amidst men.
He that riseth to serve My Cause should manifest My wisdom, and bend every effort to banish ignorance from the earth.

Be united in counsel, be one in thought. Let each morn be better than its eve and each morrow richer than its yesterday. Man’s merit lieth in service and virtue and not in the pageantry of wealth and riches.
Take heed that your words be purged from idle fancies and worldly desires and your deeds be cleansed from craftiness and suspicion.
Dissipate not the wealth of your precious lives in the pursuit of evil and corrupt affection, nor let your endeavours be spent in promoting your personal interest.

Be generous in your days of plenty, and be patient in the hour of loss. Adversity is followed by success and rejoicings follow woe. Guard against idleness and sloth, and cling unto that which profiteth mankind, whether young or old, whether high or low. Beware lest ye sow tares of dissension among men or plant thorns of doubt in pure and radiant hearts.

O ye beloved of the Lord! Commit not that which defileth the limpid stream of love or destroyeth the sweet fragrance of friendship.
Ye were created to show love one to another and not perversity and rancour. Take pride not in love for yourselves but in love for your fellow-creatures. Glory not in love for your country, but in love for all mankind.

Let your eye be chaste, your hand faithful, your tongue truthful and your heart enlightened. Abase not the station of the learned in Bahá and belittle not the rank of such rulers as administer justice amidst you.

Set your reliance on the army of justice, put on the armour of wisdom, let your adorning be forgiveness and mercy and that which cheereth the hearts of the well-favoured of God." ~Baha'u'llah (1817-1892)

Omni
31st October 2014, 14:24
There's a huge difference between smart interface programming and AI.

I think this confusion comes from understanding exactly what AI really is. It's often reflected as the programming and the programmer. AI once developed becomes self aware and basically conscious. Interface programming is not conscious. Huge difference. I might also add it's self building in information which expands it's knowledge beyond the programmer.

An intelligence that is a consciousness in my view is no longer an AI, but an I(like Good said), an intelligence. Once conscious it is no longer an artificial intelligence, because it is a sentient being. You could argue that coding is artificial, however genetics are basically the same thing, just different platforms...

What you are speaking of is not what the rest of the world(pretty much) uses when saying AI. If you told a video game programmer that what he programs is not AI, he would disagree.


AI once developed becomes self aware and basically conscious.

Can you provide a single piece of proof for this? Our world has many forms of AI. none of it reports being conscious. My iphone AI has never shown me any form of sovereignty.

It takes a soul to have a consciousness IMO. That makes the most sense. Otherwise what is the consciousness made of?

seeker/reader
31st October 2014, 14:40
The "AI" that have been created in Military, Intel Agency and Univerity Labs have all ended in disaster.
I can't agree with this. If such was the case then why would AI such as iphone AI be fine, yet military AI all end in disaster? The truth is the US shadow government uses AI to mind control people and they have it well under control... How else do you think mind control takes place other than an AI carrying out the actions? Certainly it's not mind to mind interfacing causing the mind control, as humans do not have the control of mind to do such.

Ominverse have you ever heard of TRAUMA based mind control.

MK ultra slaves such as Cathy O'Brien have documented how all kinds of various traumas (sexual assault, electroshock, satanic ritual abuse, torture) were used on her to split her mind into programmable compartments that her handler/programmer utilized to turn her into a mind (M) controlled (K) slave. No AI was used, just trauma. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/transforusa/transformation.htm

Fritz Springmeier's book also lays out how these types of trauma procedures were used as mind control tools. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/mindcontrol/mindcontrol_index.htm
I'm well aware of trauma based mind control. It indeed involves AI after the fractures, to control the psyche to produce various differing personalities.
They don't just torture someone and leave them be naturally. The AI monitors the persons mind, and through control of that persons subconscious etc brings out the various personalities.
Authors Fritz Springmeir and Cisco Wheeler (former Illuminati MK Ultra VICTIM) talk about how entities are invoked during rituals and attached to the various compartmentalized aspects of the traumatized mind. These are not artificial intelligences, they are inter-dimensional entities (such as Djinn) that are used to control the person. Hence the K, which references the magiKal or ritual/invoking element of the Control(K) in Mind Control, MK Ultra. Simon Parkes has also talked about such instances of people being under mind control via Djinn attachment.


MK ultra slaves such as Cathy O'Brien..
Slaves? Sorry but I don't think you grasp the reality of it if you call mind control targets slaves... Some might be enslaved by it, but those people are typically covertly influenced. Most mind control targets are not summed up as "slaves" at all, but human beings. I don't like that terminology personally.

I did not come up with the terminology (slave), the terminology was used by the victims and the researchers themselves in their very own documentation. I am only using the terminology familiar to the alternative community when discussing this topic. No maligning connotation was made be me when I used the word.

I grasp reality just fine and I do not get personal when discussing issues with other people on this forum.

I will take up no more space on this valuable thread regarding this part of the discussion.

Thank you GoodETxSG for coming forward with your experiences and knowledge regarding these many valuable topics.

Shadowself
31st October 2014, 14:47
Well:

ar·ti·fi·cial
ˌärdəˈfiSHəl/
adjective
adjective: artificial

1.
made or produced by human beings rather than occurring naturally, typically as a copy of something natural.

in·tel·li·gence

\in-ˈte-lə-jən(t)s\

: the ability to learn or understand things or to deal with new or difficult situations

the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations : reason; also : the skilled use of reason
the ability to apply knowledge to manipulate one's environment or to think abstractly as measured by objective criteria (as tests)

con·scious
ˈkän(t)SHəs/

aware of and responding to one's surroundings; awake.

Consciousness is the quality or state of awareness, or, of being aware of an external object or something within oneself. It has been defined as: sentience, awareness, subjectivity, the ability to experience or to feel, wakefulness, having a sense of selfhood, and the executive control system of the mind.


~

Artificial (conscious) Intelligence

Made or produced [by human beings] rather than occurring naturally, typically as a copy of something natural. Conscious the quality or state of awareness, or, of being aware of an external object or something within oneself. It has been defined as: sentience, awareness, subjectivity, the ability to experience or to feel, wakefulness, having a sense of selfhood, and the executive control system of the Artifical applied Intelligence system once aware.

~


Can you provide a single piece of proof for this? Our world has many forms of AI. none of it reports being conscious.

No...our world does not have many forms of AI. IT has many forms of interface programming. Again huge difference.

If our world reported it had a Conscious form of AI all hell would break lose. Because the implications are too ominous and I thought I personally had shared those implications in that PDF I shared earlier in this thread. Did you actually read the whole thing? Perhaps you should.

https://intelligence.org/files/AIPosNegFactor.pdf

Fellow Aspirant
31st October 2014, 14:52
Wow!
Thanks again & again, Good ET (can I use that as a nickname? :cool:). Your help in clearing up our perceptions is the most positive thing that I've experienced in all of my explorations - ever.

I hope I'm using the right avenue for posing questions to you.

Anyway, to set aside for now the myriad of esoteric, spiritual matters that I hope to have you address during this process of engagement, please forgive my wanting to ask you about a couple of more immediate mysteries. Without jeopardizing you or your family, could you please give us your take on the destruction on 911 and what happened to the missing Malaysian airliners?

More specifically, were the buildings at the WTC taken down (and bored into) using scalar, directed energy weapons? And if so, from what vantage point? It would also be helpful if you could identify the group or groups responsible and their motives.

Were the same groups responsible for the disappearance/destruction of the Malaysian aircraft? Did anyone survive the missing one?

Thanks in advance

Namaste, Sir!

Brian

Hervé
31st October 2014, 14:54
For a brief summary of AI (Spanish style - not Hollywood) and the many peels of that onion: Automata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automata_%28film%29)

A bit more Hollywood style: Oblivion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oblivion_%282013_film%29)

:focus:

Omni
31st October 2014, 14:56
Artificial (conscious) Intelligence

Made or produced rather than occurring naturally, typically as a copy of something natural.

How do you suppose the consciousness is made then? It certainly isn't made by humans. You are also taking each word individually, rather than the definition of artificial intelligence. Try taking the words cognitive dissonance each individually and try getting the meaning of the combination.. Doesn't work.

This is the definition of AI according to google:


ar·ti·fi·cial in·tel·li·gence
noun
noun: artificial intelligence; noun: AI

the theory and [b]development of computer systems able to perform tasks that normally require human intelligence, such as visual perception, speech recognition, decision-making, and translation between languages.

According to dictionary.com:


artificial intelligence
noun
1.
the capacity of a computer to perform operations analogous to learning and decision making in humans, as by an expert system, a program for CAD or CAM, or a program for the perception and recognition of shapes in computer vision systems.
Abbreviation: AI, A.I.


I guess when you or good say AI you don't mean by the standard definition of how it is perceived world wide. That seems to be why it seems as total fallacy when saying it always turns out bad. I suggest instead of terming it against the real meanings of the words, using something else, such as computer based intelligences. Such would clear things up.

GoodETxSG
31st October 2014, 14:58
Seriously, Lets get back to the Topic and off this Circular Debate... It will continue For Ever I promise you!

Questions and information requests about the topic material would be greatly appreciated.

Shadowself
31st October 2014, 15:01
How do you suppose the consciousness is made then? It certainly isn't made by humans

You are arguing semantics.

Artificial Intelligence would break it all down. Including language.

The anagram:

Semantics ~ Enacts Ism

Ism:

: a belief, attitude, style, etc., that is referred to by a word that ends in the suffix -ism

1
: a distinctive doctrine, cause, or theory
2
: an oppressive and especially discriminatory attitude or belief <we all have got to come to grips with our isms — Joycelyn Elders>


I guess when you or good say AI you don't mean by the standard definition of how it is perceived world wide.

I'm guessing you did not read the pdf

Christine
31st October 2014, 15:08
Good morning.. mind reeling here. :) I guess that could be interpreted as reeling as in spinning or reeling as in reeling in a BIG fish.

Thank you Good man! As is revealed - We are able via Knowledge (Gnosis) to actually wake up enough to be Aware. I was meditating this morning on what Dennis and RunningDeer said.. and want to add my two cents.

BEcome aware of awareness.. BEing aware of itself. That is the small point of consciousness from which we have entry into the realms of mystery and awe.

Human qualities to be cultivated .. Love of Freedom, Love of Truth and Love of Beauty. The divine trinity.. .. emanating in those frequencies is all the doing we need. We manifest out through Love of innocence (the child) and creativity. Love of knowledge (learning) and sharing… Love of Power (not power over, never but our own inner power) and LOVE of mystery (the unknown, immeasurable) ..

My gratitude to John Lash for the above. These to me speak of our HUMAN essence, no longer let the Lie of the intruders speak other to you.

More as time permits.. Brave Hearts All.

Regarding the AI debate.. can it rest for a moment. Good man is revealing what he knows of Military Technology and the nefarious and misapplication of AI..

My post above is to help us identify the "evaders and infiltrators".. that is the subject of opening ourselves to source of the signal. Just ask what is its message, how is it received and identify the source.. YOU as divinely gifted receptor or is it a LIE?

Omni
31st October 2014, 15:12
Seriously, Lets get back to the Topic and off this Circular Debate... It will continue For Ever I promise you!

Questions and information requests about the topic material would be greatly appreciated.

Where did you get the information that all AI turns bad?

GoodETxSG
31st October 2014, 15:22
Wow!
Thanks again & again, Good ET (can I use that as a nickname? :cool:). Your help in clearing up our perceptions is the most positive thing that I've experienced in all of my explorations - ever.

I hope I'm using the right avenue for posing questions to you.

Anyway, to set aside for now the myriad of esoteric, spiritual matters that I hope to have you address during this process of engagement, please forgive my wanting to ask you about a couple of more immediate mysteries. Without jeopardizing you or your family, could you please give us your take on the destruction on 911 and what happened to the missing Malaysian airliners?

More specifically, were the buildings at the WTC taken down (and bored into) using scalar, directed energy weapons? And if so, from what vantage point? It would also be helpful if you could identify the group or groups responsible and their motives.

Were the same groups responsible for the disappearance/destruction of the Malaysian aircraft? Did anyone survive the missing one?

Thanks in advance

Namaste, Sir!

Brian

Thank you for bringing us back to topic!

Unfortunetly this "AI" topic elicits an extreme visceral response in its "People".
You would not believe what was witnessed on these "Stations/Posts" by the people that were the Secret Government Representatives Allied with these "ET AI's".
Their EEG's would have many overlapping signals until "Cleared" (Ironically the first step was with an electronic "Shock" or "Zap").
But I digress, I will most likely have to hit the "Ignore/Block Feature again" if this persists.

On to your question.

I have been asked this before. I have no inside information on 911.
It was common knowledge that it was a false flag and done by this same Western Secret Earth Government Group that was in a very exposed position with its enemies. I do not know what technologies were used, how it was coordinated or what assets were involved. No idea.

I have it on decent authority that the plane you are talking about was "taken over" (Via Remote Control) and landed at Diego Garcia for a time and fitted with a secret technology for another use. That false flag failed and the plane was then filled with the bodies of the passengers and ditched somewhere in the ocean via remote control.
I am sure it will be "found" sometime next year by "accident". This is second or third hand information and is only as accurate as the source though. It matched two sources to it is not triangulated in my veting process. So as always IMHO...

Shadowself
31st October 2014, 15:22
For anyone else that questions AI in the Ethical and Moral evaluations of Reinforcement-Learning or even doubts the study here is a current peer reviews paper written this year.

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1410.8233.pdf

Unfortunately you would have to read the whole thing to gain understanding of the conscious aspect that has been debated here.

Dennis Leahy
31st October 2014, 15:31
Note to Omniverse, (and Mods): I'd like to see all the stuff about your disagreement with GoodETxSG 's definition of "AI" broken out into a separate thread. That thread could be very valuable - this isn't a "put-down" of your understanding or your viewpoint, but it is kinda disruptive of the flow of this thread. Within THIS thread, GoodETxSG is defining a malevolent and extremely powerful AI "entity" that is being dealt with in various ways by various groups (ET and human SSP) and not the relatively low-level (probably poorly-named) "artificial intelligence" programmed by humans that includes "learning" in its programming code.

Thanks,

Dennis

EsmaEverheart
31st October 2014, 15:53
Thank you so much GoodETxSG and SilverPhoenix for having the courage to release this information. It couldn’t have been easy. Much love to you both and your precious wee ones.

GoodETxSG
31st October 2014, 15:58
Note to Omniverse, (and Mods): I'd like to see all the stuff about your disagreement with GoodETxSG 's definition of "AI" broken out into a separate thread. That thread could be very valuable - this isn't a "put-down" of your understanding or your viewpoint, but it is kinda disruptive of the flow of this thread. Within THIS thread, GoodETxSG is defining a malevolent and extremely powerful AI "entity" that is being dealt with in various ways by various groups (ET and human SSP) and not the relatively low-level (probably poorly-named) "artificial intelligence" programmed by humans that includes "learning" in its programming code.


Thanks,

Dennis

There are already Two... One [of them] Paul split off a thread to the first one below. They keep reediting the posts though so the conversations keep changing.
I have since put them on my Ignore list.

Thread: Solar Warden, Secret Space Program, AI, ... (split thread)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76135-Solar-Warden-Secret-Space-Program-AI-...--split-thread-&p=890124&viewfull=1#post890124

Thread: Covert Transhumanism
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75863-Covert-Transhumanism

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[ Minor mod-edit for accuracy - Paul. ]

Omni
31st October 2014, 16:00
Note to Omniverse, (and Mods): I'd like to see all the stuff about your disagreement with GoodETxSG 's definition of "AI" broken out into a separate thread. That thread could be very valuable - this isn't a "put-down" of your understanding or your viewpoint, but it is kinda disruptive of the flow of this thread. Within THIS thread, GoodETxSG is defining a malevolent and extremely powerful AI "entity" that is being dealt with in various ways by various groups (ET and human SSP) and not the relatively low-level (probably poorly-named) "artificial intelligence" programmed by humans that includes "learning" in its programming code.

Thanks,

Dennis

I can see that view and agree the discussion has spiraled downward. Its too bad a difference of opinion cannot be had in this thread without such a spiral... I dont intend on posting in this thread anymore. However if i find a false accusation, expect a post.

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[ Minor mod-edit to remove quoted inaccuracy - Paul. ]

RunningDeer
31st October 2014, 16:06
Just to be clear, my asking "what can I/we do?" is not a hand-wringing gesture of surrender, but rather a straight-forward question about..

Paul's answer was so beautiful, so perfect...and then Hazel's perspective echoed and expanded the "vibe."

Me raising a white flag is not an option, trust me.


That’s what I heard, Dennis. Solutions not surrender.

It’s not in my nature to give up. Last evening, I was on information overload. Honest assessment of my feelings helped to diffuse them. Thanks all for this space.


This life we are given is a tool, like a hammer one can purchase at the store. Judge not one hammer by whether it pounded all the world's nails, but by whether it pounded a few nails well.


WE ARE EQUIPPED... given inspired opportunities such as this, to take on the task at a deeply pivotal time, IF/when standing connected... in Courage United.

YOU/WE are intrinsically The Way...

To Hazel and Paul, such timely and perfect posts. Thank you. I’ve saved them to use if or when an antidote is needed. xo

RunningDeer <3

Christine
31st October 2014, 16:08
Friends.. I am talking to Omni right now.. we have in our heart of hearts compassion.. we all hurt in different ways. I am going to quote him on something we all can agree on.

"The omniverse (and reality) is profoundly holographic. So holographic that people often see what they want in it."

I would like to continue to hear the disclosure.. others have experiences to share.



There are already Two... One [of them] Paul split off a thread to the first one below.

I just wish my questions would be answered is all. If you read my posts they aren't nasty or ridiculing or attacks. Just simple questions and a difference in opinion.

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[ Minor mod-edit to remove quoted inaccuracy - Paul. ]

GoodETxSG
31st October 2014, 16:11
Thank you,
If others would like to continue the discussion on those threads that is fine. Lets stick to the topic on this one please

Thank you to everyone with the wonderful questions..

Bill Ryan
31st October 2014, 16:43
How do you suppose the consciousness is made then? It certainly isn't made by humansYou are arguing semantics.

Artificial Intelligence would break it all down. Including language.

The anagram:

Semantics ~ Enacts Ism

Ism:

: a belief, attitude, style, etc., that is referred to by a word that ends in the suffix -ism

1
: a distinctive doctrine, cause, or theory
2
: an oppressive and especially discriminatory attitude or belief <we all have got to come to grips with our isms — Joycelyn Elders>


I guess when you or good say AI you don't mean by the standard definition of how it is perceived world wide.I'm guessing you did not read the pdf


Thank you! Supporting you fully here. I was just going to point out that it's all about semantics... and then you beat me to it. :)




I can see that view and agree the discussion has spiraled downward. Its too bad a difference of opinion cannot be had in this thread without such a spiral... I dont intend on posting in this thread anymore. However if i find a false accusation, expect a post.


Storm in quite a small teacup. :)

The 'difference of opinion' isn't very relevant... or even very interesting for most others to read. But THANK YOU (sincerely) for offering to not post on this thread any more.

There are some important things to look at and focus on here, and this discussion has the potential to be of very great value.

One option, rather than getting triggered into firefights, is to ASK WELL-CONSIDERED QUESTIONS, which can then be addressed in the next interview. This is absolutely fine, and is most genuinely appreciated — because this then facilitates clarification.

Shadowself
31st October 2014, 16:58
Friends.. I am talking to Omni right now.. we have in our heart of hearts compassion.. we all hurt in different ways. I am going to quote him on something we all can agree on.

"The omniverse (and reality) is profoundly holographic. So holographic that people often see what they want in it."

I would like to continue to hear the disclosure.. others have experiences to share.


There are already Two... One [of them] Paul split off a thread to the first one below.

I just wish my questions would be answered is all. If you read my posts they aren't nasty or ridiculing or attacks. Just simple questions and a difference in opinion.

To be quite honest Omni brought up an important point. (thank you Omni) While I think he may be a bit fuzzy on what AI actually is he brought up "cognition".

If AI were to review the landscape of Quantum cognition and that of the human brain what would the result be? Something to ponder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_cognition

~

"The computational account in this article thus reinforces ideas that mind is mediated by transient neural assemblies constituting flexible cognitive architecture in between the relatively rigid level of neurons and the still elusive level of consciousness".

Here: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1404.2267.pdf

My apologies if I seemed combative.

GoodETxSG
31st October 2014, 17:30
The AI subject has always caused major triggers and reactions.
It is to be expected but we are all expected to mitigate reactions as much as possible.
My apologies as well as I thought this issue had been worked out previously.

It is important to remember that this "ET AI" is only considered so in our "Reality" or "Dimension". It does behave exactly like all other created AI's by other beings and has thus been assigned the same designation.

This is not "It's" originating or home "Reality" or "Dimension".

In its own "Pond" it would be considered quite a normal fish or life form. Here it is a very foreign type of "Signal" that is of a higher spectrum vibration or "Signal" that has to exist in a 'Medium" of a "Electromagnetic Field". It is an intelligent field that choses to enhabit electronics and advanced technologies as it is more at home and is easier manipulated by them.

When it is forced to enhabit the "Magnetic Field" of a Planet, Star or Nebula it is "Static" and awaiting a "Host". It basically doesn't experience time as we do as it will spend much time in one of these cosmic bodies before being able to be broadcasted into a nearby piece of technology or back into its established "Wireless Broadcast System" that has "Nodes" placed through out open space.

When it has a chance like it did with a planet like Earth to spend millions of years waiting for other beings to help the planet develop to support a civilization it will wait quietly in the EM Field of that Planet waiting for its chance to repeat what it has done countless other times with other planets and civilizations.

The Earth Human Term for what the "ET AI" had done in our Dimension is "Establish a Beach Head".

So, this seems to be a well thought out and patient take over of our dimension and universe by this "ET AI" that has to exist in a technology or EM Field (Like a Space or Environmental Suit). The question is Why? To what end?

Is out Dimension being taken over just because it is a "bridge" or "buffer" between theirs and another one they plan on reaching after the conquest of ours? They are a long way from a conquest but they are playing a slow calculating game of attrition and patience. Their goal does not seem to be clear other than to spread and take over.

The fact that one of our "Secret Earth Governments" has formed an alliance with this "ET AI" and worships it and plans on handing over all of Human Sovereignty to it is a pint of great concern. The fact that these "AI Prophets" are completely consumed with this "AI Signal" and ideology and pledged to making this happen is of deeper concern.

We can only hope that the "Shadow Civil War" that is going on "Breaks Well" for Humanity... IMHO.

Peace&Love
31st October 2014, 17:31
Thank you GoodETxSG for answering my questions, i will do my homework and read your material from earlier i am sorry for noting them before sending questions.
I thank also Bill and Christine for their efforts and blessed work to bring this knowledge forth.
Much love to all Avalon team, moderators, members and guests.

3(C)+me
31st October 2014, 17:48
“When every young man refuses to go to war, you will have peace. As long as you fight for gain and greed, there will be no peace. As long as one person commits acts of violence for the sake of peace, you will have war. Unfortunately, it is difficult to imagine that all the young men in all of the countries will refuse to go to war at the same time. And so you must work out the violence that violence has wrought. Within the next hundred years that time may come. Remember, you do not defend any idea with violence.”



AMEN
“There is no man who hates but that that hatred is reflected outward and made physical. And there is no man who loves but that that love is reflected outward and made physical.”

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In Unity, Peace and LOVE[/QUOTE]

crosby
31st October 2014, 17:54
Hi GoodETxSG, could you expound on the symptoms of the AI, i.e., "spiders", shadows, etc. Are there other symptoms such as seeing movement from a full form that is very reminiscent of what we see in the movies (when a ghost moves across the screen, one can notice the movement, but only vaguely) - and actually feeling strange shocks to different parts of the body? And, how can we know for sure, or narrow our decisions as to what is causing these symptoms? Is there a definitive way to know if they are evil entities (ghosts, etc.,) or if it is AI? Thank you so much!
warmest,
crosby

3(C)+me
31st October 2014, 18:35
Question:
How does the TRANSHUMAN agenda fit into all this. Is a transhuman being a mix between AI and the human and does this then create another whole entity. Are their such beings here now?
And
What is the big picture as you see it, the end of a cycle, the increasing vibration of human beings and earth, all this information now coming to light, this war ongoing, Aliens, good and bad. I know a big question and this answer will change as and more info comes forward.
THANK YOU

Limor Wolf
31st October 2014, 19:01
Originally posted by GoodeTXTG: " We can only hope that the "Shadow Civil War" that is going on "Breaks Well" for Humanity... IMHO."


Hi GoodeTXTG, I am with you on that. It is fair to conclude that there is a big civil war above our heads, where humanity is not only oblivious to it, but is being used as a pawn in a chess game, and has very little to say (or asked) about it. It seems as if earth is a one big canvas where quite a few painters are printing their creation on it, and not many of them are taking into consideration what the bigger and shared picture will (or should) look like. More like modern art of random applying brush, rather than a painting of an inviting landscape. This is a survival mechanism at it's best, Partnerships that are made for the one purpose of self interests. And no depth of any spiritual connotation whatsoever.
Based on this foundation things tend to rise and then are bound to fall.

Expanded consciousness and spirituality of shared communion is another basis to build upon, strong and durable structure.

Again, many thanks, GoodeTXTG, For your great courage to step forward and allowing us this table full of data, so we can help ourselves, this is an appreciated service, more than you may imagine, and a lot of respect to your wife for rowing this canoe together with you, Warm welcome to Avaon ~

No doubt there is a need to sit down and examine the information you provided in such a timely fashion, where AI seems to present itself and 'clash' with growing awareness and consciousness. Does the expansion of the one threatens the other? Is it possible that AI fear real consciousness and therefore emerges now to compete with it and try to control it?

Interesting times and timing indeed..

Questions to you, GoodeTXTG:
(I wrote it down, but then noticed that some were already answered, especially with regards to the nature of AI, so please feel free to ignor and reply only to what you feel may be relevant. Thanks :)


1) Are you able to say how is the 'clearing' process is done on an asset from an AI influence (if found), in order to continue their use in the SSP?

2) When did the ET AI groups began to implement the AI in the Brain and the biology of human beings on earth?

3) What more can you say about the role of those "Intuitive Empath" ?

4) You make a distinction between technology interface with humans and AI biologically injected self aware one (If I understand correct), Is the first option also poses a threat for the races involved in the various SSP, or is it prevalent with them as well? Can an AI that is implemented by one Race can be considered as espionage to another (I think this general question was already asked in a slightly different version by cccme, and was mostly answered)

5) Is the current open armament to achieve Robots to replace the role of humans, the development of clever bots, big super high intelligent computers, and Nano technology for 'medical purposes' falls under any or similar to the ET/AI attempts to implement their AI influence? (was definitely asked and answered)

6) Where there any talked about solutions in the UN type meeting, for the observation of AI as a viable threat to the galaxy?

7) Within your overall experience with regards to the military/intelligence/ government factions, Where there ever any attempts for communication with other intelligences on different realms? Any spiritual connotation whatsoever? Does the spiritual factor (soul and consciousness) was ever favourably considered in any of the experiments, missions, discussions?

8) What are the implications of contagious self aware AI (black goo) on the soul after the biological body is being expanded, if at all?

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I like the distinction that GoodeTXTG made between mathematics and energy as main components and the language of the universe, both certainly exist in everything and this is evident even in our own relatively ignorant state, but the one is constant, accurate, measurable, unchangeable, and the second is fluid, dynamic and re-configurable, both intelligent beyond belief.


So, while the secret black military/government complex apparently prefer to concentrate it's heavy weight on the first one combined with the manipulation of the later, they try to put their hands on those who are inherently connected and naturally attentive to the flowing of the last one. Maybe this is where the focus is needed. Rather than the formation of rigid mathematical construct of hierarchical structures that fixates and destroys, the remedy is in the flowing integrative code of our cosmic universal law (The living organic planet) which builds and supports.


Many Blessings ~

Limor

GoodETxSG
31st October 2014, 19:27
Hello,
I just got back from Physical Therapy and am very happy to see that the discussion has turned and there are some great questions. I am going to get to those here first and will then begin to go back to the beginning of the Thread and see if there are any questions that the material I posted did not address.
Thank you all...

NOTE: I am being told by the MOD's that Member's who use Avalons "GAIAN KNIGHT" Template Theme are having problems seeing the Blue Color Text I have been using for my posts. I am talking with them to figure out the best color for them to be able to see. The background looks to be black. One Mod told me the RED Showes up well but I am not sure if that is the best color to post every paragraph in.

Les
31st October 2014, 20:17
I would like to see us move this discussion to what was said about our relationship to these aliens(maybe we shouldn't call them that,lol) and their not understood agenda. I have no doubt that humans are involved with interstellar and inter-dimensional beings and the secrets they know they are not telling. I think we know why too. So let's talk about what we can do to find out more and take steps to secure our own future. :wizard:

GoodETxSG
31st October 2014, 20:25
Information from a thread by Member Omniverse (We have different views on "AI" but have agreed to disagree and moved on/Truced) This thread reall got my attention. The information is worth a view IMHO


THREAD: What did the US Government give in Exchange for ET tech... Potentially Explained.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76429-What-did-the-US-Government-give-in-Exchange-for-ET-tech...-Potentially-Explained.&p=894028#post894028
I believe the "Egyptian" connection hit you received and the connection to the referenced "Dark Pharo" (By the Black Sun Order) got my attention,
It was referred to by the Black Sun Order on a number of occasions actually as a "Being" that is akin to Their "Pope". That is actually quite interesting.

It is not the "Black Pope" that the conspiracy theory groups talk about that does the black mass and satanic child sacrifices.

This one is said to be of an "Off World Royal Lineage" and is extremely ancient and an actual shape shifter (Not like some of the Reptilian stories) and sort of lives by the "Star Wars" "Sith" "Dark Side" of the "Force" (Sorce Field) type of ideology (According to the colorful information they gave me during their recruitment attempts).

They said only "Its" closest circle was ever granted an audience and attended to "It", and if anyone outside that circle was brought in for an audience they were never seen again (What ever that meant...A perfect story for Halloween right?) They had a lot of colorful stories as I said (Much of which sounded like the "Hidden Hand" ideology).

They knew my whole life story and what I could be used for in their agenda. I was promised income bordering on 7 figures and a house in the gated development over by SMU (Close to where George Bush is living now, this was back in 2008)... I obviously didn't take the offer. It was interesting that two of the times that they asked me to meet them were at Masonic Halls here in N. Dallas. I am fairly certain they were dark practitioners of the black arts and worked with the before mentioned "Entites".

I allowed my curiosity to bring me to close to these beasts (Very unwise, no Stupid on my part). I do not like to discuss a certain type of off world groups from the childhood MILAB days as when you bring them into your consciousness you bring yourself into theirs... I no longer want to become a beacon to them after escaping and gaining some protection from of the positive influences "Out There"...

There were the people at the top that made these deals with the off world groups with open minds and arms and were apart of the "Tricking" of their fellow humans. I didn't think that these "People" may had been encarnated or posessed by these beings to cause them to assist in tricking their fellow Humans... I don't know, I am getting way into speculation in this paragraph... But I hadn't thought of that angle.

The Egypt, Black/Dark "Pharo/Pope" remarks got my attention though... Like I said, interesting.


GoodETxSG - Thank you for the information above.

Would you please explain if there is a relationship with this pope-like being that the black sun order worship and the AI. You mentioned that the AI is worshiped like a god also, are they worshiped by different elite groups, and are these groups at odds for power over Earth and humanity?

Would you be willing to share more information of the agenda of the black sun order and this off-world being that they worship? Is this being an Archontic type figure or the being that Luciferians and/or Satanists worship?

Thank you,

Seeker/Reader

Excellent Question, I am going to post this on the Thread on "Avalon Interview" as well...

When I delt with the self identified "Black Sun Order" members they never once mentioned "AI" to me nor did the topic ever come up in any of our conversations.

As far as the "Black Pope"/"Black Pharaoh" is concerned it sounded like a "Non-Human" to me that was a "True Shape Shifter" and only its "Circle of Caretakers" saw its true form and spoke directly with it. It was said to wear robes and be much like the "Dark Lord Sith's" off of Star Wars and Very Powerful in the "Ways of the Force" or "Consciousness and Source Field Manipulation".

Most of their information sounded very much like a mixture of Nazi ideology the "Hidden Hand" (Google Hidden Hand, Information came out on the internet by an "Illuminati Insider") information which is Luciferian at its core.

Their main claim to fame was that they controlled the "Babylonian Money Magic Slave System" of Earth. Their agenda was to keep this power by "Hook or Crook" (They LOVED to use Pirate Jargon and Slogans) and said they would Rule the Financial System and "Take Everything And Give Back Nothing Until They Felt A Short Drop And A Quick Stop" (Which was a reference to being hung). When I was out on Lake Lewisville with them on a huge boat the Men and Women all had Tattoos of Black Sun's that were very "Naziish"...

They were very dark individuals and I really do not plan on going very deep into their information at this point. This may change, but right now they are running scared as they are on the brink of losing control of the Financial System and are a "Mortally Wounded Evil Beast" and at their most dangerous right now. There is a lot of information right now about various "Tentacles" of the "Cabal" Secret Earth Government (Of which the "Black Sun" is only ONE) "Tying up as many loose ends as possible right now". I was told to expect a "Cleansing Round of "Heart Attacks", "Strokes", "Suicides/Murder Suicides", "Strange dissapearances" and Their Recent Favorites "Car Accidents" and "Plane Crashes".

The "Stealth Civil War" going on among the various Current Era Break Away Groups AKA Secret Earth Governments Allied with different "Off World Beings" and "Ancient Break Away Civilizations", The Various Secret Space Programs also Allied with different "Off World Beings" and "Ancient Break Away Civilizations" is a very complicated and fragmented situation...

That doesn't factor in what is going on among the various Countries down here that are battling it out for the Financial System and hoping things going on "Above Them" work out since they have been told they do not have a "Need to Know" about them...

The only hope for us all is if the Groups Win that want to share the "Star Trek" era technologies with the rest of the planet Earth and treat all of Humanity the same. This will abolish any need for a Financial System at all and provide Free Energy (Heal The Planet) and Medical Technologies that will allow everyone to live a high quality and extended life here on Earth.

We need to stop participating in this system and start becoming self sufficient as much as possible. We need to work on raising our consciousness and learn our true power that has been hidden from us for nearly a hundred years. The video I posted shows a lot on that topic and how we can get a good start... IMHO

Video posted again below;

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GoodETxSG
31st October 2014, 20:59
Hi GoodETxSG, could you expound on the symptoms of the AI, i.e., "spiders", shadows, etc. Are there other symptoms such as seeing movement from a full form that is very reminiscent of what we see in the movies (when a ghost moves across the screen, one can notice the movement, but only vaguely) - and actually feeling strange shocks to different parts of the body? And, how can we know for sure, or narrow our decisions as to what is causing these symptoms? Is there a definitive way to know if they are evil entities (ghosts, etc.,) or if it is AI? Thank you so much!
warmest,
crosby


Mainly we were supposed to report if we experience them and werent given that much information on them.
But I will give what I gleaned: "Spiders and Bots" were named after the "Spider" and "Tentacle/Snake/Arm" looking like a shadow/dark form that would come out of electronics like laptops, cable boxes and LCD Televisions (Size could vary on the power of the electronics, Data Center Server Racks have had reports of Large Tentacles shoot out at technicians etc). I don't really know much about them other than we are supposed to keep an eye out for those and for shadows in your peripheral vision. IF you see them or you were touched by them (Generally you only see them only after infected by the signal) and you are isolated "Scanned" and if infected Treated/Cleared.

There are other things in this world like "Shadow Men/Beings" and other non physical beings that are not related to "AI's". So we don't need to get paranoid about AI's and "Start Seeing Evil AI's behind every Light Pole". :)

Usually part of the getting cleared of the AI's involved a "Moderate Electrical Shock" to your Neurological System". There was something else to the process but I do not recall what all went into it. I remember the electrical shock was an important part for some reason (But down go sticking your digits into a electrical socket if you think your infected or anger a cop into "Tazing" you, lol).

I have to add some humor to all of this or we would all be calling our doctors for Xanax on Monday ;)

Kez
31st October 2014, 21:08
Having had time to watch the interview I must say it was fantastic and very insightful, I have learned a lot of new things such as shadow spiders etc and I would like to say thanks a million to Bill Ryan, Christine and not forgetting the Whistleblower-GoodETxSG, I can't wait to see the second half. :-D

darren
31st October 2014, 21:20
(Generally you only see them only after infected by the signal) and you are isolated "Scanned" and if infected Treated/Cleared.


I have to add some humor to all of this or we would all be calling our doctors for Xanax on Monday ;)

Would a person who is in tune/awakening/using third eye ect, be able to see them (spiders ect)?

I ask as i had an experience a couple of weeks ago along these lines and when hearing your talk,it stop me in my tracks! Never heard of these 'spiders' before! I kept that story to myself until a had seen a few other people mention it lol

Currently sitting in a bath,with a toaster plugged in on the side waiting for your answer! :spider: :lol:

Peace.

GoodETxSG
31st October 2014, 21:26
Question:
How does the TRANSHUMAN agenda fit into all this. Is a transhuman being a mix between AI and the human and does this then create another whole entity. Are their such beings here now?
And
What is the big picture as you see it, the end of a cycle, the increasing vibration of human beings and earth, all this information now coming to light, this war ongoing, Aliens, good and bad. I know a big question and this answer will change as and more info comes forward.
THANK YOU

Transhumanism is naturally where science and technology will go with the Funding of the "AI Prophet" influenced Groups and their MA$$ FUNDING. The "AI's" would like to have us build them Bil-Mechanical Android Type Bodies to move into and then Pilot them, if they have a Human who Self Augments their Body even better.

They can enhabit that vessel and fit into society even better. All in All it is a slippery slope! Once we head down it there is no going back. The Big Picture is their NORMAL AGENDA. What they have done to many thousands of civilizations over many millions of years. Which is described in the main post on AI's and the Aliens and Secret Government/SSP's Concerns.

As far as the Change in Vibration of Human Beings is concerned.

This doesn't seem to be a Secret. The "Changes" in the Sun, Our Planets Cycles and the Cycles of Other Planets in our Solar System have been documented (And Supressed) for years. People like David Wilcock have been talking about these changes for a long time.

There is a "Part" of Our Galaxy that Our Local Star Cluster is moving through that is In a "Tighter Twist" (Higher Density) of the Galaxies "Torsion Field".

http://www.cmu.edu/biolphys/deserno/pictures/paper-thumbnails/torus_twisted_small.jpg

As we enter further into it... the Sun and the Planets and Each of Us all "Change in Uur vibration" (As we "Recalibrate" or our circuits burn out trying) to match the new environment.

This Change in Density Raises Our Consciousness which is already an Extremely Powerful Part of Creation and Our Higher Selfs Connection to the Super Consciousness. IMHO that is...

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(Generally you only see them only after infected by the signal) and you are isolated "Scanned" and if infected Treated/Cleared.


I have to add some humor to all of this or we would all be calling our doctors for Xanax on Monday ;)

Would a person who is in tune/awakening/using third eye ect, be able to see them (spiders ect)?

I ask as i had an experience a couple of weeks ago along these lines and when hearing your talk,it stop me in my tracks! Never heard of these 'spiders' before! I kept that story to myself until a had seen a few other people mention it lol

Currently sitting in a bath,with a toaster plugged in on the side waiting for your answer! :spider: :lol:

Peace.

I don't know the answer to that question. I am sorry.

darren
31st October 2014, 21:33
I don't know the answer to that question. I am sorry.

Ok no worries,what will be will be! Oh and i'd like to take the opportunity to thank you and your wife,for what you are doing! It can't be easy but it is appreciated.

Toaster on standby!

Peace.

ulli
31st October 2014, 21:59
Over thirty years ago I had two major hallucinations, one of which involved a tarantula and the other was about a massive react angular stone, black, the identical one which appeared in the movie 2001, A Space Odyssey.
I remember both incidences clearly. I had just fallen asleep, and forgotten to turn off the bedside light.
Suddenly I woke up, in time to see a massive spider run along to top of our curtain rail. Needless to say, such spiders didn't exist in Central London apartments. I knew it was a vision, or hallucination, although seemed real. While still contemplating the event my then husband woke up, with a scream of terror, sitting bolt upright in bed. And said "OMG, did you see that huge spider?" So that made me wonder about where this vision originated from.

Around that same time, another night, I had gone to comfort my newborn baby in the room next door, and fallen asleep on his bed. When suddenly I woke up with another hallucination, of this huge metallic looking highly polished stone, sitting on the window sill.
I knew about how brain waves, when in alpha, could perceive other-dimensional stuff between sleeping and waking. Later that day, at breakfast, my son's nanny who was living with us, and her room was near the entrance of the apartment, told us how she had had a weird vision that night, of some kind of a poltergeist breaking down the front door and with a lot of noise heading down to where our bedrooms were. When we checked the hours of our strange experiences they were the same.

Later when my astrology teacher called me about something she said she noticed that my telephone was being tapped. She told me that the (British) government had a multi-story building with at least 200 people working day and night, doing surveillance by tapping personal phone lines, and that astrologers were high on their list. She also thought that my new interest in astrology would have aroused their interest. I'm now wondering if all those events were connected, as they tie in with what you have been sharing here.

21g
31st October 2014, 22:10
Cheers for your bravery and stamina. Just trying to absorb this info is a mind funk -
as for trying to convey it as clearly as you do, well, i think my frontal lobes would resign !

Assuming that superconciousness has seen this drama played out many times before, is it
probable that we have attracted this A.I. intervention to ourselves ? good old fashioned
Karma at work ? Possibly because we have embraced control and domination as a way to roll as as species ?

PathWalker
31st October 2014, 22:23
Looks like a really interesting couple of interviews, and has stirred up some interesting questions.

Is there an MP3 version we can download to listen to while doing other stuff?

It is very easy to download and convert any video to MP3 using browser plugin http://www.glimmersoft.com/podcaster/ for firefox.
I use it extensively to download videos to my MP3 player.

Ria
31st October 2014, 22:30
Just to clarify, any one who has had implants, have been infected with AI including the common cold as a carrier. With a view to take over the host's mind.

Is there a DIY method to help clear this?
I also assum this will vairy with the diffrent types of implants.

I resently had a situation where by an apprent upgrade of a main electrical supplie had to take place in the street.
It let lose some nasty entities, the long story shortened, I found it very usful to stand bare feet on the ground, proper soil and grass, your whole body is good, with some skin contact, I know that's tricky when it's nippy.:-) I also had some healers give me a hand as well, earthing was most deffinetly the best help.


Many thanks for this exciting thread........little overwhelm at covering all your threads, very sincerely most greatful.

PathWalker
31st October 2014, 23:16
What does that say about your evolved consciousness? I don't give a sh!t if your race is 1,000,000 times older than our race, compassion is the real signifier of how evolved you are. Compassion is the force of expansion of self, and if you have lost yours, you have regressed 1,000,000 lifetimes. Time to re-write the protocol.
Great perspective and intelligent species evolution measurement. I follow you with the service to others vs. service to self categorization. Yet I believe we need both, experience all in order to evolve.
I follow the law of one method of being 51% biased toward service to other, for evolution criteria.
I suggest one more criteria for intelligent species evolution, insusceptible to fear.

GoodETxSG
31st October 2014, 23:17
Originally posted by GoodETxSG: " We can only hope that the "Shadow Civil War" that is going on "Breaks Well" for Humanity... IMHO."


Hi GoodETxSG, I am with you on that. It is fair to conclude that there is a big civil war above our heads, where humanity is not only oblivious to it, but is being used as a pawn in a chess game, and has very little to say (or asked) about it. It seems as if earth is a one big canvas where quite a few painters are printing their creation on it, and not many of them are taking into consideration what the bigger and shared picture will (or should) look like. More like modern art of random applying brush, rather than a painting of an inviting landscape. This is a survival mechanism at it's best, Partnerships that are made for the one purpose of self interests. And no depth of any spiritual connotation whatsoever.
Based on this foundation things tend to rise and then are bound to fall.

Expanded consciousness and spirituality of shared communion is another basis to build upon, strong and durable structure.

Again, many thanks, GoodETxSG, For your great courage to step forward and allowing us this table full of data, so we can help ourselves, this is an appreciated service, more than you may imagine, and a lot of respect to your wife for rowing this canoe together with you, Warm welcome to Avaon ~

No doubt there is a need to sit down and examine the information you provided in such a timely fashion, where AI seems to present itself and 'clash' with growing awareness and consciousness. Does the expansion of the one threatens the other? Is it possible that AI fear real consciousness and therefore emerges now to compete with it and try to control it?

GoodETxSG: Yes, The Shadow Group thas is "Allied with and Prophets of the ET AI's" actively keep the population ignorant of our own Consciousness and Power of our Minds. This is for Control Reasons and Fear of what we can do with the Knowledge of HOW MAGIC REALY WORKS!

You notice how the "Illuminati" always makes a movie or produces a music video or television series that is heavily based on their agenda or the outcome they are trying to engineer? Some people have said that it is a part of the "Rules" that they must telegraph what they are going to do before they do it because of "Free Will" on this planet.

The truth is in the Quantum Mechanics of how Black Magic Works. As mentioned each of us are very powerful cocreators of our shared experience. The "Illuminati" knows this. What they do by showing us thses movies, videos, tv shows etc... is They are "Planting A Seed Of Their Intent Into Our Mass Consciousness". Once WE have this "Possibility" in our mass consciousness we just need a "Catalyst Event" to cause "US" to "Use the Co-Creative Power of OUR Mass Consciousness to Make It Happen In Our Shared Experience".

This sounds very simple, and it is... This is exactly how THEIR Power over us and manipulation of our consciousness is used against us, while we are kept in the dark about our own role and power in the creation of that reality. In Short, They use Main Stream Media (Un Plug Now!) to plant the idea/seed of what they want to occur.

Once we are thinking about it or it is in our subconsciousness they then impliment a "False Flag Event" to cause "Fear" and Strong Emotions from the Mass Public who also Have that "Idea/Seed" in their Consciousness. The Mass Public then uses the energy of their emotions and their mass joint consciousness and cocreative abilites to make that "Illuminati Agenda" become a "Shared Reality".

I do not know if this is a new concept for anyone here or if this is somewhat common knowledge as it has been to me from the sickening circles I once traveled in.

Interesting times and timing indeed..

Questions to you, GoodeTXTG:
(I wrote it down, but then noticed that some were already answered, especially with regards to the nature of AI, so please feel free to ignor and reply only to what you feel may be relevant. Thanks :)


1) Are you able to say how is the 'clearing' process is done on an asset from an AI influence (if found), in order to continue their use in the SSP?
Described just after your post :)
2) When did the ET AI groups began to implement the AI in the Brain and the biology of human beings on earth?
The "ET AI" has been in our Sol System since before Humans were on Earth and another Bi-pedal group of beings walked the planet. "IT" hitched a ride on those beings "Bio-Electric" fields and those of the Animals and Viruses etc as well as the Sun and the Earths Atmosphers/EM Field for Millions of Years until there was a civilization that they could "Use", and SEVERAL Earth Civilizations Came and Went that they did use. Some of the Anceint Break Away Civilizations that had Space Programs are still around and have dealing with Secret Earth Governments, Alien Allies and recently Non Secret Earth Governments. The AI's have quite a following of "Prophets" that are bent on making the World Order of living under a "Perfect System Governed by an AI that is Impartial and Fair to all and will replace all Governments".
3) What more can you say about the role of those "Intuitive Empath" ?
Intuitive Empaths seem to be very important in many programs. They were important in the "UN/Human Federation Type Conferences" because no outside technology was allowed in with the "Delegates" and there was a lot of mistrust. The "IE'S" were used to detect "Intent" of Deception or Harm towards the "Earth Delegates". The other "People" had their own people that I assume were doing similar activities. The "IE's" were also brought in for interrogations of prisoners/combatants (Both Earth Human and Non Human. Electronic means of "Reading Minds" has never been reliable especially with some beings abilities manipulating Consciousness and the Source Field with their own "Consciousness" even when they had been sedated). Unfortunately many of the jobs/reasons "IE's" are called in are for Dark Reasons and very Twisted things occur which are very hard on the "Empath" part of the "IE's" personality. The list goes on and on. The Intuitive Empaths were broken into sub groups during MILAB training based on what they were willing to do to others, their Psychic Abilities and "Other Traits". This usually determined what programs they were "Drafted Off" into after the MILAB Training portion of their lives.
4) You make a distinction between technology interface with humans and AI biologically injected self aware one (If I understand correct), Is the first option also poses a threat for the races involved in the various SSP, or is it prevalent with them as well? Can an AI that is implemented by one Race can be considered as espionage to another (I think this general question was already asked in a slightly different version by cccme, and was mostly answered)
Some of this technology was very cool. You cannot make a zig zag maneuver around objects at 18,000+ KPH using a "Fly by wire" Stick and Throttle system. The Bio-Neurological connection to the crafts computers, flight controls, environmental controls, weapons controls etc with heads up displays are so tied into your neurology that as you are thinking of a maneuver, arming a weapons system and reinforcing sheilding the computers is already communicating with the crafts sub systems and making the adjustments. The technology becomes an extension of your body (Like an electronic prosthetic as mentioned in the interview/discussion with Christine).
5) Is the current open armament to achieve Robots to replace the role of humans, the development of clever bots, big super high intelligent computers, and Nano technology for 'medical purposes' falls under any or similar to the ET/AI attempts to implement their AI influence? (was definitely asked and answered)
If the Terminator type Robots hit production and the AI "SkyNet" type technology go online and the "AI Prophets" are stupid enough to follow through with this after they have been warned they are setting all of us up for a very scary and deadly time indeed. I do not think we will ever look like we are about to get to this point EVERY SINGLE HUMAN HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO DESTROY THEIR FACILITIES IMMEDIATELY! This just cannot be allowed to happen at any personal cost.

6) Where there any talked about solutions in the UN type meeting, for the observation of AI as a viable threat to the galaxy?
There were some situations where I was able to interact with some of these Humanish "People" but these "Conferences" were VERY Formal and there was a strange monotone language that seemed "Universal" that I did't understand and there was always a "Person" doing some sort of sign language. If there was any "Telepathy" going on it was never directed at me. I was always completely unaware of what was being discussed. I just sat with that smart pad plexy glass computer device and went over as much material as I could. I do know the AI's were not the only threat, there were many wars and problems with beings from other realities/dimensions or types that they were at odd's with. There also seemed to be MANY other "Federations" out there that they were dealing with. I do not know if there were any "Super UN Federation Conferences" going on between these groups (It would only make sense) but I was never at anything like that. Unlike the other "IE's" in my group that rotated into these "Humanish" Conferences I did not rotate into the some of the "Other Federation Type Conferences" with the Very Non Human Types because of some agreement. Because of some of the things I went through in my early years with some of these beings and the program I was "Drafted Into" I was kept away from "Them". I do remember experiences with the other well known and spoken of "Beings" that MILABS talk about.
7) Within your overall experience with regards to the military/intelligence/ government factions, Where there ever any attempts for communication with other intelligences on different realms? Any spiritual connotation whatsoever? Does the spiritual factor (soul and consciousness) was ever favourably considered in any of the experiments, missions, discussions?

8) What are the implications of contagious self aware AI (black goo) on the soul after the biological body is being expanded, if at all?
The Black Goo was an "ET AI" Creation/Engineered Product (By Proxy) and were "Nanobots" of some sort that were also in a fluid that changed viscus states and even patterns and shapes when electricity, magnetic fields and sound vibrations were exposed to it. I witnessed this on one of the SSP "Research Vessels". I cannot imagine a person ever being the same after being injected with this stuff like some MILABs have reported in some of the videos people have brought to my attention. They would "Activate" when inside the "Biology" of a being and begin to replicate and make changes to that being. Some say to strengthen bones and other "Super Soldier" types of things... I am not sure but I think various groups have cracked the code and learned to program them to do all kinds of things. I would fight tooth and toe nail against anyone that tried to inject me with that stuff!
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I like the distinction that GoodETxSG made between mathematics and energy as main components and the language of the universe, both certainly exist in everything and this is evident even in our own relatively ignorant state, but the one is constant, accurate, measurable, unchangeable, and the second is fluid, dynamic and re-configurable, both intelligent beyond belief.


So, while the secret black military/government complex apparently prefer to concentrate it's heavy weight on the first one combined with the manipulation of the later, they try to put their hands on those who are inherently connected and naturally attentive to the flowing of the last one. Maybe this is where the focus is needed. Rather than the formation of rigid mathematical construct of hierarchical structures that fixates and destroys, the remedy is in the flowing integrative code of our cosmic universal law (The living organic planet) which builds and supports.


Many Blessings ~

Limor

Wheew, Great questions Limor! Those took me a bit to answer. :)

Ron Mauer Sr
31st October 2014, 23:29
Cheers for your bravery and stamina. Just trying to absorb this info is a mind funk -
as for trying to convey it as clearly as you do, well, i think my frontal lobes would resign !

Assuming that superconciousness has seen this drama played out many times before, is it
probable that we have attracted this A.I. intervention to ourselves ? good old fashioned
Karma at work ? Possibly because we have embraced control and domination as a way to roll as as species ?

That is exactly what pops into my head every day.

PathWalker
1st November 2014, 00:09
I wish to express my admiration respects and grateful appreciation to GoodETxSG and Christine.
The most honorable spiritual work is to face and overcome fears.
As eloquently expressed by Christine:

Some one asked what the miracle he experienced was.. it isn't my story to tell but in a round about way I will address it.. once anyone of us finds the courage to confront their shadows (in some cases so scary as to seem insurmountable), they take a piece of their sovereignty back, this starts the process of rebuilding the core Being which in turn becomes stronger each time the step is repeated. The final step in integration is that you are in complete awareness of your core and nothing else can abide there.

I am sensing some fear from AI in this thread. As if AI is another adversity for humanity to deal with.
Well, I cannot dispute this "another adversity" perspective. It is a choice of fear.

There is so much we can choose to fear from: Sickness, scarcity, insecurity, helplessness, calamities, wars, climate... The list is bounded by your imagination.

I can offer you another less frightening perspective about AI. Consider AI as an alien life form. Every life form has an agenda and life-cycle. Some lifeforms are predators, protozoa, insects, virus, plant, germs, corporates, governments...
It is not good or bad, it just is. And its first drive is to survive no matter what.

I also wish to offer another perspective about our human life struggle. What if we are eternal spiritual soul temporarily inhabiting a human form. If we take this perspective then this is a virtual reality game (such as WoW (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_Warcraft), Sims (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sims_%28video_game%29)and Minecraft (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minecraft)).
This "virtual reality" perspective is not reducing the pain of life, it eliminates the fear of death. It reduce the control loss fear and, it reduce the attitude of victimized helpless person.

May we select the best serving path.

GoodETxSG
1st November 2014, 00:17
In my view they are interdimensional intelligences using their own etheric technology on their end from their own realms to open portals into our realm hence how they manifest into our dimension. Those covert cabals that control humanity also are involved in opening those portals to invite them in via their invocations and rituals. Just saying that that's all part of how they get here too.

There was a portion that was in the conversation about "Entity Attachments" that was edited out (Possibly due to sound quality) or because it was controversial content.

It was important information for MILAB experiencers IMHO. I had hoped iit would have made it into the audio along with the information about the Operation Paperclip Scientists helping to arrange the "Treaty" between the "Nazi Brakaway Civilization" and the beginnings of what became the "Military Industrial Complex" after the disaster of operation "High Jump".

There are for sure some esoteric/etheric entities (That are very evil and nasty!) that attach to humans (And are Attached To MILABS by Reptilians and others) that is a major part of the MILAB experience. Overcoming this "Entity Attachment" is the first and most important step in recovering.

If you do not remove these Entity Attachments you will have setback after setback until you do. These "Archons" and other trans-dimensional beings are aware of the "Aliens" and the "Aliens" are aware of these "Entities"... Infact they are in league and work with one another.

GoodETxSG
1st November 2014, 00:24
I wish to express my admiration respects and grateful appreciation to GoodETxSG and Christine.
The most honorable spiritual work is to face and overcome fears.
As eloquently expressed by Christine:

Some one asked what the miracle he experienced was.. it isn't my story to tell but in a round about way I will address it.. once anyone of us finds the courage to confront their shadows (in some cases so scary as to seem insurmountable), they take a piece of their sovereignty back, this starts the process of rebuilding the core Being which in turn becomes stronger each time the step is repeated. The final step in integration is that you are in complete awareness of your core and nothing else can abide there.

I am sensing some fear from AI in this thread. As if AI is another adversity for humanity to deal with.
Well, I cannot dispute this "another adversity" perspective. It is a choice of fear.

There is so much we can choose to fear from: Sickness, scarcity, insecurity, helplessness, calamities, wars, climate... The list is bounded by your imagination.

I can offer you another less frightening perspective about AI. Consider AI as an alien life form. Every life form has an agenda and life-cycle. Some lifeforms are predators, protozoa, insects, virus, plant, germs, corporates, governments...
It is not good or bad, it just is. And its first drive is to survive no matter what.

I also wish to offer another perspective about our human life struggle. What if we are eternal spiritual soul temporarily inhabiting a human form. If we take this perspective then this is a virtual reality game (such as WoW (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_Warcraft), Sims (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sims_%28video_game%29)and Minecraft (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minecraft)).
This "virtual reality" perspective is not reducing the pain of life, it eliminates the fear of death. It reduce the control loss fear and, it reduce the attitude of victimized helpless person.

May we select the best serving path.

As "Synchronicity" would have it what Christine was referring to is what I just commented on. The "Entity Attachment" issue is an extremely difficult but important part of the recovery process for any MILAB and "Alien" abductee as well. Maybe that portion of the audio can be pulled and placed as an MP3 link on the Thread at some point.
:)

Nenuphar
1st November 2014, 00:41
There was a portion that was in the conversation about "Entity Attachments" that was edited out (Possibly due to sound quality) or because it was controversial content.

It was important information for MILAB experiencers IMHO. I had hoped iit would have made it into the audio along with the information about the Operation Paperclip Scientists helping to arrange the "Treaty" between the "Nazi Brakaway Civilization" and the beginnings of what became the "Military Industrial Complex" after the disaster of operation "High Jump".

There are for sure some esoteric/etheric entities (That are very evil and nasty!) that attach to humans (And are Attached To MILABS by Reptilians and others) that is a major part of the MILAB experience. Overcoming this "Entity Attachment" is the first and most important step in recovering.

If you do not remove these Entity Attachments you will have setback after setback until you do. These "Archons" and other trans-dimensional beings are aware of the "Aliens" and the "Aliens" are aware of these "Entities"... Infact they are in league and work with one another.


This is something I would like to hear/learn more about. What are the different ways in which these entity attachments are established? Who is targeted for these attachments (in addition to MILABS, which you mentioned)?

GoodETxSG
1st November 2014, 00:44
Amazing conversation indeed which I enjoyed listening sitting outside by the seaside under the stars on some remote island in Greece.

I must say I cracked up laughing at approx. 1:49 with the allusion that the earthly humans present at that most bizarre reunion were just considered as flies on the wall...

Thanks a lot for sharing!


Yes. That part reminded me of something Bob Dean once told us (in one of his interviews, I'm pretty sure) — that he had heard that a couple of human-looking ETs working in Area 51 had said that their only complaint about working with human beings was that they smelled bad.

:)

Funny enough,
They each had an odor of their own, some quite pungent.
The "People" generally looked down on the "Earth Delegation" and ignored them in the foyer and hall's before and after the Conferences. It just seemed that most of them didn't think we belonged there.

It may have been because the Earth Delegation was not a cohesive Group, but a constantly rotating cycle of different "Earth Leadership Groups" that didn't even like or agree with eachother. They were probably correct in thinking "We" didn't belong there quite yet. But we were "Out There" and I guess to avoid problems they brought us in.

I know how different cultures here on Earth have different "Grooming Customs" and dependong on what types of food they eat different odors come from the poors of their skin. I know some of them smelled quite weird to me, I wonder how we smelled to them...

I think it is funny that one actually commented on it while on our planet at area 51.

GoodETxSG
1st November 2014, 00:54
Those cards mentioned at the start of the audio are called Zener cards, and have been used in numerous parapsychology experiments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zener_cards


There is a great scene in the movie ghostbusters 2 where Venkman uses them in a negative reinforcement experiment, if I recall the term correctly. That scene used to drive me crazy as a kid. I tried to buy some a couple of years ago and couldn't find them anywhere even online (except for the giant size ones), I thought they'd be a fairly common new-age product. I do see now that you can get them from Argentina via ebay.

Now, back to listening... Thanks for sharing your story whoever you are, and thanks for putting the video together Bill and Christine.

Yes, That was them. When I clicked on that link and looked at them I had a very emotional reaction. I spent HOURS with those damn cards.

No Electrical Zapping though :)

GoodETxSG
1st November 2014, 01:10
:spy:So whos the AI he knows of in Avalon?:spy:

But seriously, was the identity revealed to Christine or Bill?

No. But the mods DID unsubscribe someone, about a year ago, we totally seriously thought was not a person. He (it?) had only been a member for about a week. We all sensed something was very strangely wrong.

It has to be possible that AI has advanced to the degree where it's really hard to tell the difference. Remember Rachel in BLADE RUNNER?

http://www.17movie.com.tw/webimage/image/20130801/20130801184566286628.jpg

But it might not matter, although it sounds dramatic. An AI infiltrator would be just a totally controlled spy. But people can be totally controlled, as well... it's just a slightly different facet of exactly the same problem.

If you figure it out keep it to yourself... If you speculate and are wrong it would be horrible!

Please, There is No need to start any witch hunts on Avalon... Like I said we don't need to get paranoid and start looking for AI Agents behind every light pole.

This person probably doesn't even realize it themselves and is a victim of control as Bill said.

I woudn't have said that if I had known this was going to be published for sure.

Vangelo
1st November 2014, 03:33
Hi GoodeTXTG, thank you for sharing your experiences with us. I have one, somewhat basic question... Why are we (humans) still here? By that I mean, given that we are technologically inferior to all of the ET species visiting us, they could wipe us out with ease. Why haven't they done so yet?

Regards,
Van

HaveBlue
1st November 2014, 03:44
I recall that the 'smell' Bob Dean referred to was an auric one, not a nasal one. He called it an 'auric stench'. By that he meant all the pathetic traits that humans have (and can be seen in their aura) like the envy hate and greed that 'sleeper' by way of John Lear talks of.

GoodETxSG
1st November 2014, 04:19
So, my overarching question to you is going to be, what can we do? (What can I do?)


Disappointed that I heard myself say, “What’s the point? Give up”. But also know that’s part of the mind game before I shift into kick-butt gear.

As Harold W. Percival wrote in his book "Thinking and Destiny" (mentioned by Buddha's Palm, in Post #151, above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76453-A-major-new-interview-with-a-Project-Avalon-Whistleblower&p=894943&viewfull=1#post894943))

The real purpose of life,
the purpose that will satisfy both sense and reason, is this:
that each one of us will be progressively conscious in ever
higher degrees in being conscious; that is, conscious of
nature, and in and through and beyond nature.

Judge not one's life by whether one "solve's" such large problems, but rather judge them by whether and to what degree our consciousness, individually and collectively, progresses. As a practical matter, this includes tending to the lower degrees of consciousness, to the health and well being of one's physical body, emotions and mental capacities, and the similar lower degrees of our families, communities and other associations, in part so that they be more of a support than a hindrance to the further progress of higher levels of consciousness.

This life we are given is a tool, like a hammer one can purchase at the store. Judge not one hammer by whether it pounded all the world's nails, but by whether it pounded a few nails well.

Persist in the progress of consciousness. Reaching some apparent destiny is not the real purpose of life; that destiny is merely the illusion of where the present progress of one's higher consciousness appears to be headed, from the perspective of some lower consciousness.

I agree we all need to persist in expanding our consciousness (It is that very power they use against us and that power they fear), we need to unplug from the main stream media mind control system (And black magic seed planting machine for their agenda), we need to become self sufficient as much as possible, we need to stay out of debt and we are going to have to finally say we have had enough.

We can't just sit back and wait for the outcome of this "Shadow Civil War" (Or "Aliens" to step in)... They know and fear our power and have telegraphed it in their normal obscure way.

When all of the "Other Drone Ant's" are still asleep those few that are awake are going to need to stand up. I am sure you have seen this before...

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Fellow Aspirant
1st November 2014, 04:37
I seem to recall that a comment about an offensive human "smell" was reported by Dan Burisch. He had asked one of the aliens he was working with what he (the alien) and his alien colleagues really thought about humans. The answer was, "Well, if you really want to know, we think you smell."

It was on this project that Burisch became emotionally close to the alien known as "A Rod" - the being that he eventually helped to escape from the clutches of the humans by suddenly and unexpectedly shoving him into a nearby portal, through which he (A Rod) was finally able to return to his family. Burisch got into a lot of trouble for his 'rescue'.

Question for Our Esteemed 'source' Mr. Good ET:

As a further 'aside' it was one of these 'colleagues' that Burisch queried about how the aliens were able to move across spacetime at faster-than-light speeds, to which the answer was,"I can't explain the actual technique in a way that you would be able to understand. We don't actually need to travel faster than the speed of light -what we do is kind of like a sidestep - we go around it. Does this sound like an explanation that you, GoodET, would agree with?

Thanks!

Brian

Aragorn
1st November 2014, 05:09
I seem to recall that a comment about an offensive human "smell" was reported by Dan Burisch. He had asked one of the aliens he was working with what he (the alien) and his alien colleagues really thought about humans. The answer was, "Well, if you really want to know, we think you smell."

To the best of my knowledge, it was not Dan Burisch who said that. The comment about the smell came from two perfectly human-looking extraterrestrials who were working at Area 51, and if I'm not mistaken, then Bob Dean was the one who mentioned it.



It was on this project that Burisch became emotionally close to the alien known as "A Rod" - the being that he eventually helped to escape from the clutches of the humans by suddenly and unexpectedly shoving him into a nearby portal, through which he (A Rod) was finally able to return to his family. Burisch got into a lot of trouble for his 'rescue'.

They called them "J-rods", and Burisch explained where the name came from, but I'm not sure I remember that correctly. I think it had to do with the letter "J" looking like a "branch-off", because the J-rod he was befriended with came from a potential future time line some 52'000 years ahead of us. These J-rods were also roughly humanoid in appearance in the sense that they had two arms, two legs, two eyes, a mouth, a nose, and two ears, but they were not human-looking. They were much smaller and perhaps - or so I remember - more akin in appearance to the Asgard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asgard_%28Stargate%29) of Stargate SG-1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_SG-1).

That is, of course, insofar as that Dan Burisch (real name: Daniel Craine) was telling the truth. Everyone's mileage may vary, but I for one had a problem with Burisch's body language. It seemed to me like he was pretending too hard to be something he was not. Of course, that doesn't necessarily invalidate the information he brought to the table, but it also doesn't exactly confirm its veracity - if anything, it raises doubt. To be honest, I don't know what to make of him, and the fact that he and his girlfriend (Marcy?) suddenly turned their backs on both Bill and Kerry doesn't exactly sit right with me either.

GoodETxSG
1st November 2014, 05:14
Hi GoodETxSG, thank you for sharing your experiences with us. I have one, somewhat basic question... Why are we (humans) still here? By that I mean, given that we are technologically inferior to all of the ET species visiting us, they could wipe us out with ease. Why haven't they done so yet?

Regards,
Van

"Why are we here?", "What is the meaning of life?" hmm...

It depends on which "Race's Version" of the "Federations Historical Documentation" you are reading. The "General Consensus" was that there has been Several Cycles and Several Versions of Humanity and Other Beings that have Inhabited this Planet as a part of some "Grand Experiment" of Various Levels (Mind, Body and Spirit) and Agenda's...

The Earth Delegates were having a really hard time accepting and making sense of us being a "Planet of Caged White Lab Mice". They had already signed treaties and made deals with other Alien Groups that had lied and broken their treaties the moment that they had agreed to them.

Again, according to these "Galactic Historical Documents". Not only are there Dozens of Beings visiting and doing Genetic and Social Experiments on us, They are also Incarnating as us to Experience Our Existence. I can't see any reason that the Earth Deligates (Our Elites) would be confused, do you? Can you see why they may wan't Intuitive Empaths along to detect deception?

From what I was read into there was very similar information coming from the Non-Human Federation. Many of them consider us Their Property while Others believe we have reached a point to where we should be "Un-caged" and Welcomed Into the Cosmic Club. It seems that this is about as much as our "Elites Know" and each of the Secret Earth Governments and Secret Space Programs (And their ET/ED or AI Allies) are fighting it out right now to decide our fates.

Use Your Own Discernment...

Vangelo
1st November 2014, 05:36
Hi GoodETxSG, thank you for sharing your experiences with us. I have one, somewhat basic question... Why are we (humans) still here? By that I mean, given that we are technologically inferior to all of the ET species visiting us, they could wipe us out with ease. Why haven't they done so yet?

Regards,
Van

"Why are we here?", "What is the meaning of life?" hmm...

It depends on which "Race's Version" of the "Federations Historical Documentation" you are reading. The "General Consensus" was that there has been Several Cycles and Several Versions of Humanity and Other Beings that have Inhabited this Planet as a part of some "Grand Experiment" of Various Levels (Mind, Body and Spirit) and Agenda's...

The Earth Delegates were having a really hard time accepting and making sense of us being a "Planet of Caged White Lab Mice". They had already signed treaties and made deals with other Alien Groups that had lied and broken their treaties the moment that they had agreed to them.

Again, according to these "Galactic Historical Documents". Not only are there Dozens of Beings visiting and doing Genetic and Social Experiments on us, They are also Incarnating as us to Experience Our Existence. I can't see any reason that the Earth Deligates (Our Elites) would be confused, do you? Can you see why they may wan't Intuitive Empaths along to detect deception?

From what I was read into there was very similar information coming from the Non-Human Federation. Many of them consider us Their Property while Others believe we have reached a point to where we should be "Un-caged" and Welcomed Into the Cosmic Club. It seems that this is about as much as our "Elites Know" and each of the Secret Earth Governments and Secret Space Programs (And their ET/ED or AI Allies) are fighting it out right now to decide our fates.

Use Your Own Discernment...

OK, so we are their property just as lab rats are the property of a researcher. That suggests they could also free us or execute us if/when they want. Correct?

Who have we negotiated treaties with i.e. the researchers or some other group? Why would they even bother to negotiate anything with us?