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gripreaper
9th April 2014, 05:33
Bundy is currently embroiled in a spat with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) over his long standing refusal to acknowledge a 1993 modification to grazing rights on land that Bundy asserts has been in his family since 1870. On Saturday, hundreds of federal officials, aided by helicopters, low flying aircraft and hired cowboys, began rounding up Bundy’s cattle in northeastern Clark County.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90LtLwXXnp4

The feds say the move is about enforcing the law and protecting the endangered desert tortoise, but the Bundy family says the spat represents a showdown between big government and American farmers.

“We’ve had enough, we’re going to take our land back, we’re done,” said Bundy’s wife, Carol Bundy, adding that the rally was held “to show that we are not standing alone. People are getting tired of the federal government having unlimited power.”

More than 100 supporters violated a crudely taped off “First Amendment Area” to rally in support of the Bundy family, erecting two flagpoles with the words “We the People” attached, above a flag which read, “Liberty Freedom For God We Stand”. The first amendment area stood empty, with one sign nearby declaring, “1st Amendment is not an area.”

“I grew up on this ranch. This is what we knew,” said Margaret Houston, Cliven Bundy’s younger sister. “It’s got nothing to do with the cattle and the tortoises. It’s about taking our rights — power — and it’s wrong.”

“Right now it looks like the movie Red Dawn, said, Ryan Bundy. “Right now we’ve got 200 plus federal agents up there in a military compound that they have put together and they’ve got snipers….everybody’s armed, and they’ve been monitoring our ranch with high-tech surveillance equipment….it was never about the grazing fees, it’s about control.”

After his son’s arrest, Cliven Bundy posted a statement on his website which read, “They have my cattle and now they have one of my boys. Range War begins tomorrow.”

http://www.infowars.com/supporters-rally-to-defend-family-facing-red-dawn-showdown-with-feds/

If I was in Nevada I would stand with them. Things are really coming to a head real quick. Don't think that you are immune.

Time to learn about the de facto system and the de jure system that myself and Sigma6 have been talking about for couple years. If we don't understand it and aren't willing to stand shoulder to shoulder with our brothers and sisters, we will get what we deserve for our complacency and acquiescence

none of us are immune.

It was the farm claims debacle which got me into this rabbit hole, the stealing of the farmers land, and the judicial system, even though they took it all the way to the Supreme Court and won, they NEVER got their land back or were compensated.

Then there was Waco. Over 80 men, women and children were burned alive. Koresh was made out to be a wacko, but he actually understood sovereignty and NOT being a 14th amendment corporate citizen. Then there was the Montana Freemen ranch siege, and Ruby Ridge.

Then there are thousands of other stories of people losing their homes, being harassed, like ECETI Ranch. Dean Clifford is IN JAIL (solitary) since November 24th WITH NO SHOW CAUSE HEARING!!

When is enough enough?

giovonni
9th April 2014, 05:53
with the war on drugs drying up ...

perhaps law enforcement's new gig will be cattle rustling ... or even water hoarding ...

http://www.trbimg.com/img-53449cb4/turbine/la-1811714-fi-0328-beef-prices-4-als-jpg-20140408/600

Beef prices hit all-time high in U.S. ! (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-beef-prices-20140406,0,2966247.story#axzz2yMhB3sds)

Lifebringer
9th April 2014, 12:24
I wonder if these owners since 1870 know that this month is: "Reap what you sow" month. I read that one here at PA in one of the articles of channel. Perhaps their ancestors took land in an effort to establish towns and such? I know it's wrong to do it, our forty acres and a mule and native American karma may be the part of end paradigm. I'm just saying after reading that article yesterday, I spent a considerable amount of time researching some of the major issues facing the corporate take over as in the days of settling America. I'm gonna pray that nobody gets hurt and it's resolved peacefully with their full rights restored to do as they need for their families, as we had to do for ours. Like I said, I simply don't quite know for sure. I've read Rev, and its a lot in there. Verse, by verse, a sort of building up of oppression where the world stands against major powers combined, because they sold the people out.

It can be changed, this law was put in during Bush 1 and Clinton's Republican Farmer Chamber of Commerce members at the time. They are closing nooses, and we must "stop them" by voting each and every corporate bribed politician out. Hires math teachers, scientist, nurses, Doctors who work in clinics where the work is actually done. Ensure the corporate take over, "simply doesn't continue." Anyone under KOCH must go, we already know their money is dripping in blood from denial of medicine, weapons of war, and financial collapse of the American dream. And this isn't the only country they've done it to. If they can merge world wide, so can we, and baby, there are more of us. This doesn't have to get nasty, bloody, but it does mean removal of crooked judges on the take, crooked DC ticks sucking American families dry with legislative bs of taking ever more of the tax payer funding that should be going back to families. WE have spent trillions substidizing corporations while our livelihoods took massive dives, decade after decade with just one more war, just one more stock crash, just one more conflict, just one more superjet. Amping up war every other commercial. WE turn it off, and we lose track of who to track down to shine a light on them. But they love to be in the spot light, and if we are the creators we really and truly are children of God, then we must uncreate them. Close them down, buy not choosing their path of madness for OUR's and our children's children's future.

I pray for a united front, and declaration of peace tolerance and brotherhood, in this fight against the corporate beast that was built by man/kind.

PS this just came to me...ut oh, wasn't meant for this time. Nevermind.:tape2:
just asked why and it's more of a "not yet." Perhaps someone is on here that is looking for info on this...lots of people made money playing governing terrorist on the war on drugs. If they are bought by corporate ag, and too stupid/unskilled in chemical or biological sciences, to realize they are protecting the poisoners of their own families, but just glad to have a high paying ego boosting job, we may be in for a fight.
In a perfect position to harm the "commies that shut down their cinchy lucrative property grabs and auction/chopshop businesses that spin off their busts of harmless pot smokers. Judges that lost their judgeship with a vendetta over our foods...do you see the big picture now? Play on their hate of people, and a million small pox blankets could happen again. Shots tainted with "syphilis" could happen again in the animals and foods we eat. WE must stay on our toes people, they are buying up rights of the people, and planning the depop. They can't do it with a awakened public. March madness is over, so let's get busy, because the madness doesn't stop at the hoop, its stops at the last corp noose/loophole.:nod:
It's the money and paycheck that keep these people doing what they do, because they too are up to their eyeballs in plastic debt and material world madness.:jaw:

Maia Gabrial
9th April 2014, 12:52
What the psychopaths don't realize or don't care is that criminal activities like this is what gains more and more of the public's attention. And they wonder why we're all awakening at an alarming rate.... Geez, are the psychos for real? When it was all covert, no one knew and they could get away with it. Why change that up? Could it be that a HIGHER power is at work here? YESSSS!

observer
9th April 2014, 14:43
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giovonni
9th April 2014, 20:34
note the U. S. federal government controls nearly 84.5% of Nevada ...

this could get nasty/fast ...

http://static.squarespace.com/static/4f34530ecb12e336a9dfe29c/t/5345856fe4b0233041ddb57f/1397065087090/?format=500w

Nevada Governor Blasts Feds’ ‘First Amendment Area’ in Bundy Dispute (http://www.infowars.com/nevada-governor-blasts-feds-first-amendment-area-in-bundy-dispute/)

giovonni
9th April 2014, 21:45
Gerald Celente weighing in ...

Bundy Range War a Fascist Dream ?

Published on Apr 9, 2014


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyOmWRvc7_8

WhiteFeather
9th April 2014, 22:07
This is totally getting disgusting. What we need is a good ole overthrowing of the F..g pirates whom hijacked our ship. Im hoping a good Revolution is coming swiftly. Im sending this intention out. Maybe the universe will listen. We are that powerful and so is our consciousness.


Talkin bout a Revolution - by Tracy Chapman


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24WM3-6zfjc

giovonni
10th April 2014, 01:50
It's Getting Tense In Nevada ...

the latest ...

BREAKING: Gov't Terrorists Attack Bundy Ranch

Published on Apr 9, 2014


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcvEb7m3LMg

gripreaper
10th April 2014, 03:48
Latest, Militia being called up for support.

AS OF THIS DATE, I AM UPGRADING THE READINESS LEVEL OF THIS UNIT TO CONDITION RED. YOU ARE TO TRAVEL WITH 72 HR KITS IN YOUR VEHICLES AT ALL TIMES AND HAVE AT LEAST 6 DAYS OF WATER AND FOOD. CHECK YOUR FIRST AID KITS AND ENSURE THAT YOU HAVE NECESSARY MEDICATIONS STOCKED FOR LONG TERM NEEDS. ALSO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE ADEQUATE SELF DEFENSE SUPPLIES. TRAINING WILL GO ON AS SCHEDULED THIS SATURDAY, BUT THE TRAINING MAY CHANGE. THE SITUATION IN BUNKERVILLE, NV IS FLUID AND CAN CHANGE AT A MOMENT’S NOTICE. ALL UNIT NCO’S ARE TO CONTACT ME ASAP AND NOTIFY ME OF ANY NEEDS OR OBJECTIONS THAT THEY MAY HAVE. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TRAINED FOR, FOR ALMOST 2 YEARS. TIME TO FISH OR CUT BAIT.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=304793

Link to Bundy Ranch website.

http://bundyranch.blogspot.com/

gripreaper
10th April 2014, 04:18
Please write or e-mail or phone the Clark County Sheriffs office. Here is a letter I just drafted to send to Douglas Gillespie. You can send it anonymous if you feel the need to, but we need to inundate the sheriffs office with our calls, e-mails and letters. Send this out to everyone you know. Make it go viral.

The time is NOW.

Clark County Sheriff Douglas Gillespie
5880 Cameron St, Las Vegas, NV 89118
Office of The Sheriff (702) 828-3231
Sheriff@lvmpd.com

Hello Douglas Gillespie,

You are the highest law enforcement officer of the land, higher than the governor of the state of Nevada, the State Legislature, higher than the president of the United States himself.

Your constituents are the sovereign souls of Clark County Nevada who rely on you to protect them from any and all invasive mandates not sanctioned by the sovereign souls of Nevada who gave you your position as the highest law enforcement officer of the land.

State rights supersede any Federal mandates and it is incumbent upon you to stand with the people in regards to the unlawful Federal mandates being perpetrated upon the Bundy Ranch in Bunkerville.

We the people of all sovereign states here in the union are watching this saga unfold and implore you to stand with the people of Nevada and uphold your office. It is time for the states to recognize their power and authority and quit bowing to the Federal government who has overstepped their boundaries and has usurped the sovereignty of the states.

This is your opportunity. No greater time in the history of this great country has this been absolutely necessary. Go ahead, talk with your sheriff peers in other counties and build a coalition before it is too late.

It’s up to you Doug. Sorry but it has to be YOU and it has to be now.

Sincerely,

Very concerned citizen.

michaelv
10th April 2014, 07:12
Feds Assault Bundy Ranch Protesters


by Guerilla Girl Ashley The Pete Santilli Show (http://beforeitsnews.com/r2/?url=http://gmn.is) & The Guerilla Media Network (http://beforeitsnews.com/r2/?url=http://guerillamedianetwork.com)

Update: Pete Santilli is very appreciative of all the praises and accolades you have been sending his way by way of his phone, and on our Facebook page. He has instructed us to relay to you the best 2 ways to truly thank him are.

http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/12342/images/Screen%20Shot%202014-04-09%20at%208_06_35%20PM.png

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A) Please come to the Bundy ranch to stand against this tyranny with your fellow patriot brothers and Sisters that are trying to save our Republic.



B) Please consider going to our website gmn.is and giving a donation so Pete can continue to stay at the Bundy ranch to keep bringing you more of the great content that he has been bringing you all today.



In a scene that can only be described as something that you would witness in a third world country, and not in America, the so-called land of the free. Pete Santilli captured the Federal goons of the BLM, throwing down a 57 yr old woman with Cancer to the ground, a pregnant woman attacked by k9 dogs, and one of the Bundy family members being Tased 3 times. All because the Bundy Family saw a convoy of dump trucks and backhoe’s that they assumed were there to burry the cattle that the feds were killing in the process of rounding them up with helocopters. Still, through all this the Bundy ranch protesters stood their ground against the tyranny of the BLM yet again, and caused them too again flee as the cowards that they truly are.

Please, we need everyone that is in an area that is within driving distance of the Bundy Ranch, to mobilize now to the defense of your fellow American brothers and sisters. Also remember this, the feds Agenda 21 program will not stop with the Bundy family, and you can bank on the fact that they will be coming for your land next.


Source...http://b4itsnews.com/feds-assault-bundy-ranch-protesters/

bluestflame
10th April 2014, 07:43
fracking a BIG part of agenda 21 , contaminating as much uncontrolled water supply as is possible

Maia Gabrial
10th April 2014, 11:47
A free speech zone? WTF? That's really rich. As far as the Constitution is concerned, FREE SPEECH ZONE is everywhere in this friggin country.
These BLM guys are criminals and lots of attention is being brought on by this. Just what TPTW don't want.

I have a few questions about this. Is this another staged hoax to excite people? It won't be the first one. Wonder how many of these actors have been on other hoaxes....?

Are these BLMers even Americans? We know that the govt has foreigners doing their dirty business because Americans know better than to violate our laws this way.

Are they even humans? You have to admit they don't act very human. Make them take off their sunglasses.... What will their eyes look like?

chancy
10th April 2014, 20:13
Hello Everyone:
As much as I dislike or disagree with people getting their rights trampled on this is NOT THE CASE in this dispute.

If you read the facts about the Bundy ranch which in fact is NOT OWNED by them since it has been lease by the Bundy family since the 1870's.

There has been a huge manipulative action by the Bundy's to claim this land as their's when it is not there's but the people's because it is crown land. There is NO TITLE HELD by the Bundy's to the land in question since they lease it and have always leased it.

I wish people would research articles a little more since usually there is more to tell as in this case.

My heart goes out to the Bundy's but maybe they should have purchased the land. They would not have been having this situation if they owned the land.

An article to read regarding this case:
Link:
http://www.heraldextra.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/tension-growing-between-ranchers-mustang-backers/article_0b467ede-7faa-53b4-96f7-862355c5fdb1.html

Link:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/07/feds-move-in-on-nevada-rancher-herd-over-illegal-grazing/

Basically Mr. Bundy quit paying rent ( grazing fees under his land lease agreement ) in 1998.
Do you think that anyone not paying rent has the right to be a squatter on public land?
He claims he owes the federal government $300,000 in back grazing fees.
The federal government says it's more like $1,000,000 owing.

If you quit paying your rent would you get decades to vacate?

It's a sad situation where someone is trying to say they have rights to land they don't own just because they have leased it for over a hundred years. Unfortunately the Bundy's don't have Title to the land in their hand to prove ownership.

chancy

naste.de.lumina
10th April 2014, 20:48
Excerpt Description of the video


It is not about turtles it is about water. There are developers working for military contractors que want that land and water for mining weapons grade minerals for industry ... they want to sell the land by the highway for real estate development because it's close to I-15 and the Bundy's have been Refusing to What They actually sell directly own for over 20 years. Many buyers sent me out there with crazy offers for que land for many years. It is prime real estate not worthless desert. There is a natural gas pipeline going through there and lots of water under ground too. Somebody connected to the corporation is using military power and political muscle to the BLM Those people in October

tfOVg5R4ngA

gripreaper
11th April 2014, 00:35
Sheriff Mack Responds to Federal Terrorism at Bundy Ranch


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFzls8qt_ys

gripreaper
11th April 2014, 04:28
Cliven Bundy Speaks at Town Hall meeting. Hear what he has to say.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkWljeiAhYI#t=60

Paul
11th April 2014, 05:36
From BLM fracking racket exposed! Armed siege and cattle theft from Bundy ranch really about fracking leases (Mike Adams of NaturalNews.com) (http://www.naturalnews.com/044670_BLM_lies_fracking_leases_Bundy_ranch.html):

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The Bureau of Land Management says its 200-man armed siege of the Cliven Bundy ranch in Nevada (http://www.naturalnews.com/044654_Bundy_cattle_ranch_government_siege_militar ized_police.html) is all about protecting an "endangered tortoise." But a Natural News investigation has found that BLM is actually in the business of raking in millions of dollars by leasing Nevada lands to energy companies that engage in fracking operations.

This document from the Nevada Bureau of Mines and Geology (http://www.naturalnews.com/files/Petroleum-Data-Clark-County-Nevada.pdf)(1) shows significant exploratory drilling being conducted in precisely the same area where the Bundy family has been running cattle since the 1870's. The "Gold Butte" area is indicated on the lower right corner of the document (see below), and it clearly shows numerous exploratory drilling operations have been conducted there.

What's also clear is that oil has been found in nearby areas and possibly even within the Gold Butte area itself.

It is, of course, customary for the U.S. government to bring armed soldiers to an oil dispute. (Operation "Iraqi Freedom" for starters...) Heavily armed snipers, helicopters and militarized soldiers have never been invoked over tortoises. (Anyone who thinks this siege is about reptiles is kidding themselves.)

Here's the map showing the oil exploration conducted on the land where Bundy runs his cattle (all the red crosshairs are oil and gas exploration drilling operations):


http://www.naturalnews.com/images/Bundy-Nevada-Bureau-of-Mines-Petroleum-589.jpg

BLM collects $1.27 million in shale fracking leases

The Bureau of Land Management has just cashed in with $1.27 million in oil and gas leases in Nevada. This was just reported two weeks ago in ShaleReporter.com (http://m.shalereporter.com/industry/article_0de547ba-8ca4-11e2-ab4e-0019bb30f31a.html), which states:



U.S. Bureau of Land Management geologist Lorenzo Trimble tells the Las Vegas Review-Journal the Elko County oil and gas leases sold Tuesday for $1.27 million to six different companies. The auction took place in Reno. The leases are near where Houston-based Noble Energy Inc. wants to drill for oil and natural gas on 40,000 acres of public and private land near the town of Wells. The Review-Journal reports the project would be the first in Nevada to use hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, to extract oil and gas from shale deposits.
The way this works, of course, is that BLM runs land theft operations by claiming they are "managing" the land and thereby kicking everyone else off it. They then invoke a reptile, an owl, a bird, a snake or some other animal which they claim to be "saving," even while they are stealing and destroying hundreds of cattle belonging to a private rancher trying to make an honest living in a nation where productive Americans are increasingly branded "enemies of the state."

Once control of the land is established via court order or by bringing armed men with automatic weapons, BLM then turns around and leases the land to fracking companies who proceed to exploit the land using hydraulic fracturing techniques that inject toxic chemicals into groundwater supplies (and have been linked to earthquakes). The money collected by the BLM is then used to increase BLM salaries and bonuses.

In essence, the BLM is a criminal mafia racket, and Cliven Bundy just happened to be in the way of their next target, the Gold Butte area of Nevada. That is why they brought hundreds of heavily armed men to a "save the tortoise" operation.

"Endangered tortoises" is merely the government cover story for confiscating land to turn it over to fracking companies for millions of dollars in energy leases. In truth, the BLM was rapidly euthanizing these very same reptiles en masse last year.(2)

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gripreaper
11th April 2014, 05:44
For those that cannot travel to stand with them against this brutal regime of federal agents, there is quite a bit that can be done.

SHARE – Every story, every video of the confrontation needs to be shared far and wide, write about it, comment, email those that have not heard, post to Facebook groups, Twitter, and all the other social networking sites.

CALL – The Nevada Governor Brian Sandoval issued a statement of concern over the “free speech” area set up by the fedeal government, Rangers, BLM and other agents, but he hasn’t got off his behind to show up in support of Mr. Bundy….. call his office and express your outrage over what these terrorists in the US government are doing to him.

Call the Senator, the sheriff’s office, every media outlet you can think of that is NOT reporting this situation.

EMAIL: Follow up with emailing all of the above entities, encourage your friends and family to do the same.

Bureau Of Land Management Phone Number: (202) 208-3801

Brian Sandoval Email Contact Form- http://gov.nv.gov/Contact/Governor/
Brian Sandoval – Carson City Phone # - (775) 684-5670
Brian Sandoval Las Vegas Phone # -(702) 486-2500
Senator Dean Heller Contact Form - http://www.heller.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/contact-form
Phone #’s For Heller – Reno: 775-686-5770/ Las Vegas: 702-388-6605/ Washington: 202-224-6244
Sheriff Douglas Gillespie - (702) 828-3231 or (702) – 828 – 3111
Email: Sheriff@lvmpd.com

Now is the time to stand up and be heard because one person can make a difference when one person becomes two, two becomes four, four becomes eight, and so on……..

Paul
11th April 2014, 06:11
Perhaps the next battleground is not in the Middle East or North Africa or Afghanistan or the Crimea.

Perhaps the next battleground is in North America. The US Armed Forces are leaving Iraq and Afghanistan, with their massive armaments and decade of experience suppressing civilian resistance. The US National Guard units (which when push comes to shove report to the state Governors) are losing their Apache helicopters (https://medium.com/war-is-boring/cd482ee4bf70) to the US Army (which reports to the US President.) The police and numerous Federal agencies are arming to the teeth, including purchases of hundreds of millions (perhaps billions (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/17/Feds-Buy-2-Billion-Rounds-Of-Ammunition) by now) of rounds of ammunition. SWAT teams (http://www.thegovernmentrag.com/elite-swat-teams-from-within.html) are being armed with the heavy weapons and armored vehicles (http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2088-an-iowa-city-with-a-population-of-7000-will-receive-armored-military-vehicle) that showed their worth in Iraq and Afghanistan.

And now it seems that the Federal Bureau of Land Management (BLM) seems determined to pick a fight, with 200 of their finest, armed to the teeth, many with combat experience, against some private citizens armed with cell phone cameras and cows (and guts.)

Someone is looking to stir up the "dreaded militias" ... once enough potentially armed (even if they left their guns at home) red blooded Americans arrive at the Bundy Ranch, it won't take much for someone to get shot, and for the "dreaded militia" to get the blame.

We saw just as much happen in the Ukraine, just a couple of months ago. Russia is helping to keep some of the reporting honest in the Ukraine, but I doubt their reach extends to the Bundy Ranch in Nevada, US. We've seen similar provocations in many nations, many times, for years and years. Look up Gladio (http://www.infowars.com/order-out-of-chaos-gladio-snipers-behind-killings-in-kyiv/). Over and over and over ...

Careful out there folks. The biggest bully on the block is looking for a fight, and he's loaded for bear (http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/04/10/the-window-to-resist-tyranny-is-closing-due-to-the-new-super-weapons/) (a phrase meaning that he's put the sort of bullets in his guns that can drop a full sized charging bear in its tracks ... for real.) As Brandon Smith (http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2089-real-americans-are-ready-to-snap), the sharp young founder of Alt-Market.com asks: "Do the elites want to stir up insurgency in order to give pretense for a larger crackdown?"

Personally, I doubt that the fracking profits (that I posted about a couple posts above) are the "real" motive of this conflict. Someone wants to steal America, and make its citizens slaves on the land their forefathers fought for.

Carmody
11th April 2014, 06:36
http://www.universallifetools.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Cardinal_Grand_Cross_April_2014.jpg

This could get a bit hairy.

Paul
11th April 2014, 06:43
Bundy is currently embroiled in a spat with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) over his long standing refusal to acknowledge a 1993 modification to grazing rights on land that Bundy asserts has been in his family since 1870. On Saturday, hundreds of federal officials, aided by helicopters, low flying aircraft and hired cowboys, began rounding up Bundy’s cattle in northeastern Clark County.


Feds Assault Bundy Ranch Protesters
I merged these two Bundy Ranch Siege threads.

Rocky_Shorz
11th April 2014, 08:11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfOVg5R4ngA

they are stopping all inbound traffic on I-15

Alex Jones has a crew onsite... (http://www.infowars.com/infowars-exclusive-on-the-ground-at-bundy-ranch-protest-area/)


is it getting late, or is this really funny...

"While #Russia is about 2 invade E #Ukraine to protect ethnic Russians. #US #Obama #BLM #SpecialForces about to invade #BundyRanch to protect turtles." - @appljaxe

gripreaper
12th April 2014, 01:27
http://www.universallifetools.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Cardinal_Grand_Cross_April_2014.jpg

This could get a bit hairy.

Also remember April 19th is Illuminati Satanic human sacrifice day. Waco, Oklahoma City, etc.

observer
12th April 2014, 01:56
You just gotta love Alex Jones!!! He's so passionate about his work.

Alex is reporting in his latest video that Sen. Harry Reid's son is involved in an energy production (scam) project with Communist Chinese investors that includes the exact property being land-grabbed by the BLM. Alex also is reporting that Sen. Harry Reid's (Senator for Nevada) former top aid is now the head administrator of the BLM. It is additionally being reported that most of the major media are setting-up camp at the site.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWok0IGI2Jo

***add link***
http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/

vilcabamba
12th April 2014, 02:15
Are we sure this is not a false flag setup. The Bundy family are illuminati bloodline. Someone mentioned that a similar circumstance is happening in Canada with another farm with another illuminati family name. Is this real, or is this being pushed by the PTB to start a revolution and chaos. Problem reaction solution. Take the guns away and second amendment rights. ???!! what do you guys think??!

naste.de.lumina
12th April 2014, 02:40
Are we sure this is not a false flag setup. The Bundy family are illuminati bloodline. Someone mentioned that a similar circumstance is happening in Canada with another farm with another illuminati family name. Is this real, or is this being pushed by the PTB to start a revolution and chaos. Problem reaction solution. Take the guns away and second amendment rights. ???!! what do you guys think??!

I think the Feds can use this conflict to attract maximum possible militiamen into a trap.

On the other hand, after being locked up in FEMA camps are not going to do anything else but regret.

giovonni
12th April 2014, 02:57
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfOVg5R4ngA

they are stopping all inbound traffic on I-15

Alex Jones has a crew onsite... (http://www.infowars.com/infowars-exclusive-on-the-ground-at-bundy-ranch-protest-area/)

is it getting late, or is this really funny...

"While #Russia is about 2 invade E #Ukraine to protect ethnic Russians. #US #Obama #BLM #SpecialForces about to invade #BundyRanch to protect turtles." - @appljaxe

Remember folks the fed control 85.4 % of the State of Nevada ...

the Feds are selling off America piece by piece ...

update


Harry Reid, China, Behind Nevada Land Grab


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nX1PDFc9Ug

gripreaper
12th April 2014, 02:57
Are we sure this is not a false flag setup. The Bundy family are illuminati bloodline. Someone mentioned that a similar circumstance is happening in Canada with another farm with another illuminati family name. Is this real, or is this being pushed by the PTB to start a revolution and chaos. Problem reaction solution. Take the guns away and second amendment rights. ???!! what do you guys think??!

Sure its possible. Anything is possible. Lure the militia to the area, incite a confrontation, then a gun grab, martial law..

Or, like you said, set up varying incidents nationwide in tandem and create collective memes which the sheeple will fall into.

But, as Carmody has pointed out, the energy present at this grand crossing has the potential to usher in a shift in consciousness and a mass awakening.

Will it happen? We get to live long enough to participate and see.

giovonni
12th April 2014, 03:01
Are we sure this is not a false flag setup. The Bundy family are illuminati bloodline. Someone mentioned that a similar circumstance is happening in Canada with another farm with another illuminati family name. Is this real, or is this being pushed by the PTB to start a revolution and chaos. Problem reaction solution. Take the guns away and second amendment rights. ???!! what do you guys think??!

Sure its possible. Anything is possible. Lure the militia to the area, incite a confrontation, then a gun grab, martial law..

Or, like you said, set up varying incidents nationwide in tandem and create collective memes which the sheeple will fall into.

But, as Carmody has pointed out, the energy present at this grand crossing has the potential to usher in a shift in consciousness and a mass awakening.

Will it happen? We get to live long enough to participate and see.

Lots of things happening here on many levels

Paul
12th April 2014, 03:02
From PrisonPlanet.com (http://www.prisonplanet.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch.html) (the online report behind the Alex Jones Youtube video in Post #26, above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70325-Siege-at-the-Bundy-Ranch-...-Armed-invasion-of-American-s-land-...-by-the-US-Federal-Government.&p=821504&viewfull=1#post821504)):

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Breaking: Sen. Harry Reid Behind BLM Land Grab of Bundy Ranch

Kit Daniels, Prison Planet.com, April 11, 2014

The Bureau of Land Management, whose director was Sen. Harry Reid’s (D-Nev.) former senior adviser (http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/04/09/nevadan-named-blm-chief/), has purged documents from its web site stating that the agency wants Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s cattle off of the land his family has worked for over 140 years in order to make way for solar panel power stations.


http://static.infowars.com/bindnfocom/2014/04/reidwatermarked.jpg
Corrupt Democratic Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) working with the Chinese gov’t to take land from hard-working Americans.
Deleted from BLM.gov but reposted for posterity by the Free Republic (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3142972/posts?page=99), the BLM document entitled “Cattle Trespass Impacts” directly states that Bundy’s cattle “impacts” solar development, more specifically the construction of “utility-scale solar power generation facilities (http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/nv/field_offices/las_vegas_field_office/energy/dry_lake_sez.Par.3790.File.dat/FAQs%20Oct2012.pdf)” on “public lands.”

“Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle,” the document states.


http://static.infowars.com/bindnfocom/2014/04/041114document1.jpg

The first segment of the document pulled by the feds from BLM.gov.
Another BLM report entitled Regional Mitigation Strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone (BLM Technical Note 444 (http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wo/blm_library/tech_notes.Par.29872.File.dat/TN_444.pdf)) reveals that Bundy’s land in question is within the “Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone and surrounding area” which is part of a broad U.S. Department of Energy program for “Solar Energy Development in Six Southwestern States” on land “managed” by BLM.


http://static.infowars.com/bindnfocom/2014/04/041114document2.jpg

The second segment of the document pulled by the feds from BLM.gov.
“In 2012, the BLM and the U.S. Department of Energy published the Final Programmatic Environmental Impact Statement (PEIS) for Solar Energy Development in Six Southwestern States,” the report reads. “The Final Solar Programmatic Environmental Impact Statement assessed the impact of utility-scale solar energy development on public lands in the six southwestern states of Arizona, California, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, and Utah.”

“The Approved Resource Management Plan Amendments/Record of Decision (ROD) for Solar Energy Development in Six Southwestern States implemented a comprehensive solar energy program for public lands in those states and incorporated land use allocations and programmatic and SEZ-specific design features into land use plans in the six-state study area.”

Back in 2012, the New American reported that Harry Reid’s son, Rory Reid, was the chief representative for a Chinese energy firm planning to build a $5-billion solar plant on public land in Laughlin, Nevada (http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/energy/item/12730-harry-reid-bolsters-son%E2%80%99s-interests-in-chinese-solar-plant-deal).

And journalist Marcus Stern with Reuters also reported that Sen. Reid was heavily involved in the deal as well (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/31/us-usa-china-reid-solar-idUSBRE87U06D20120831).

“[Reid] and his oldest son, Rory, are both involved in an effort by a Chinese energy giant, ENN Energy Group, to build a $5 billion solar farm and panel manufacturing plant in the southern Nevada desert,” he wrote. “Reid has been one of the project’s most prominent advocates, helping recruit the company during a 2011 trip to China and applying his political muscle on behalf of the project in Nevada.”


http://static.infowars.com/bindnfocom/2014/04/041114map.jpg (http://static.infowars.com/bindnfocom/2014/04/041114maplarge.jpg)

Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone and surrounding area (Click to enlarge.)
“His son, a lawyer with a prominent Las Vegas firm that is representing ENN, helped it locate a 9,000-acre (3,600-hectare) desert site that it is buying well below appraised value from Clark County, where Rory Reid formerly chaired the county commission.”

Although these reports are in plain view, the mainstream media has so far ignored this link.

The BLM’s official reason for encircling the Bundy family with sniper teams and helicopters was to protect the endangered desert tortoise, which the agency has previously been killing in mass due to “budget constraints.” (http://www.infowars.com/before-nevada-cattle-rancher-dispute-blm-was-euthanizing-endangered-desert-tortoise/)

“A tortoise isn’t the reason why BLM is harassing a 67 year-old rancher; they want his land,” journalist Dana Loesch wrote (http://danaloeschradio.com/the-real-story-of-the-bundy-ranch/). “The tortoise wasn’t of concern when [U.S. Senator] Harry Reid worked with BLM to literally change the boundaries of the tortoise’s habitat to accommodate the development of his top donor, Harvey Whittemore.”

“Reid is accused of using the new BLM chief as a puppet to control Nevada land (already over 84% of which is owned by the federal government) and pay back special interests,” she added. “BLM has proven that they’ve a situational concern for the desert tortoise as they’ve had no problem waiving their rules concerning wind or solar power development. Clearly these developments have vastly affected a tortoise habitat more than a century-old, quasi-homesteading grazing area.”

“If only Cliven Bundy were a big Reid donor.”

Update: The Drudge Report (http://www.drudgereport.com/), the #1 news aggregate site in the world, has now picked up this story. Unfortunately for the BLM, the documents they wanted to delete are now exposed for the world to see.

Update #2: ENN Energy Group describes itself as a “privately-owned clean energy distributor in China.” However, as the People’s Republic of China is a single-party state governed by the Communist Party, all large companies in China, one way or the other, are either controlled or are heavily influenced by the Chinese government.



Infowars reporter David Knight confronts the Clark County Sheriff’s Office about this land grab – WARNING some strong language:

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Alex crystallizes Sen. Reid’s involvement in the Nevada land grab:

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Paul
12th April 2014, 03:27
Harry Reid, China, Behind Nevada Land Grab


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nX1PDFc9Ug

There is a very important message from Alex Jones near the end of this video, beginning at 9:00, where Alex mentions a Hutaree Militia youtube video.

This is (amongst other things, such as Harry Reid corruption and Chinese taking control of American property) ... this is a setup ... a classic setup.

Some, not all, but all it takes is one, some of the militia that are traveling to southern Nevada right now are controlled by covert Federal operatives.

Those militia will start a shoot out when the time comes (when their covert bosses incite them), and there will be a crack down on militia, constitutionalists, patriots, gun owning, ... Americans.

We have seen this time and time again, for generations, in other nations around the world.

Such operations in America have been less frequent (remember the Waco massacre and the Oklahoma City Murrah Federal Building Bombing).

The time is coming for us Americans.

Awareness is our most essential power.

naste.de.lumina
12th April 2014, 03:28
Pete Santilli speaks with Brian Engelman of the New American Media about the most recent
news and information from the Bundy Ranch Showdown in Bunkertown Nevada.

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naste.de.lumina
12th April 2014, 04:02
Are we sure this is not a false flag setup. The Bundy family are illuminati bloodline. Someone mentioned that a similar circumstance is happening in Canada with another farm with another illuminati family name. Is this real, or is this being pushed by the PTB to start a revolution and chaos. Problem reaction solution. Take the guns away and second amendment rights. ???!! what do you guys think??!

Sure its possible. Anything is possible. Lure the militia to the area, incite a confrontation, then a gun grab, martial law..

Or, like you said, set up varying incidents nationwide in tandem and create collective memes which the sheeple will fall into.

But, as Carmody has pointed out, the energy present at this grand crossing has the potential to usher in a shift in consciousness and a mass awakening.

Will it happen? We get to live long enough to participate and see.

We live in high tech feuds with names of countries and illusions of freedom and rights.

They consider themselves owners of all lands.

But everything is possible to happen if there is an energy that push a breaking point, drastic enough to break the fantasy created and maintained by the feudal lords.

The Universe is quantum and has endless possibilities for all choices.

Lots of light.

Naste.

Rocky_Shorz
12th April 2014, 05:20
Alex might have forgotten to mention this part, it's a 5 billion dollar solar plant being built by laughlin...

can't even get messages to those fighting against Koch not knowing why Blackwater is there...



The Koch Brothers Left a Confidential Document at Their Donor Conference
A list of one-on-one meetings between VIP donors and the Kochs and their operatives offers a revealing look into their mighty political machine.

Who leads the GOteaParty by their noses? (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/02/koch-brothers-palm-springs-donor-list)

now let's see who gets mineral rights for the property and starts getting paid for fracking operations

need a lot of minerals for all those chemtrails...




From PrisonPlanet.com (http://www.prisonplanet.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch.html) (the online report behind the Alex Jones Youtube video in Post #26, above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70325-Siege-at-the-Bundy-Ranch-...-Armed-invasion-of-American-s-land-...-by-the-US-Federal-Government.&p=821504&viewfull=1#post821504)):

Rocky_Shorz
12th April 2014, 05:27
such a shame, all of those GOteaPartiers running out there to make a political statement and not a one was smart enough to pull out a Map to see how Far Laughlin where the $5 Billion dollar solar panel Manufacturing plant and farm will be, it is being built to bring jobs to the state...

oh yeah, once again, Alex and a few others spun up a plan to blow the minds of their listeners by cutting out just one little thing... facts...


The Langfang, China-based ENN Energy Group hopes to build what would be the largest solar energy complex in America. The site chosen with Rory Reid's guidance is in tiny Laughlin, Nevada, a gambling town of 7,300 along the Colorado River, 90 miles south of Las Vegas... link (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/31/us-usa-china-reid-solar-idUSBRE87U06D20120831)

Bundy's ranch is by Mesquite East of Vegas 50+ miles


Blackwater isn't there over clean energy... LMAO




The Koch Brothers Left a Confidential Document at Their Donor Conference
A list of one-on-one meetings between VIP donors and the Kochs and their operatives offers a revealing look into their mighty political machine.

who's dragging the tea party by their noses? click here (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/02/koch-brothers-palm-springs-donor-list)

Paul
12th April 2014, 06:08
such a shame, all of those GOteaPartiers running out there to make a political statement and not a one was smart enough to pull out a Map to see how Far Laughlin where the $5 Billion dollar solar panel Manufacturing plant and farm will be, it is being built to bring jobs to the state...

oh yeah, once again, Alex and a few others spun up a plan to blow the minds of their listeners by cutting out just one little thing... facts...


The Langfang, China-based ENN Energy Group hopes to build what would be the largest solar energy complex in America. The site chosen with Rory Reid's guidance is in tiny Laughlin, Nevada, a gambling town of 7,300 along the Colorado River, 90 miles south of Las Vegas... link (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/31/us-usa-china-reid-solar-idUSBRE87U06D20120831)

Bundy's ranch is by Mesquite East of Vegas 50+ miles

Ouch :).

Here's a map, with point (A) on Mesquite, Nevada, near the Bundy ranch, and point (B) on Laughlin, Nevada, site of the proposed solar energy complex. The two points are about 180 miles apart by road, or 110 miles apart by air ("as the crow flies"). Los Angeles is at the bottom left corner, and Las Vegas on the road between (A) and (B).


http://thepythoniccow.us/Mesquite_to_Laughlin_Nevada.jpg

Paul
12th April 2014, 06:21
There is a very important message from Alex Jones near the end of this video, beginning at 9:00, where Alex mentions a Hutaree Militia youtube video.

This is (amongst other things, such as Harry Reid corruption and Chinese taking control of American property) ... this is a setup ... a classic setup.

Some, not all, but all it takes is one, some of the militia that are traveling to southern Nevada right now are controlled by covert Federal operatives.

Those militia will start a shoot out when the time comes (when their covert bosses incite them), and there will be a crack down on militia, constitutionalists, patriots, gun owning, ... Americans.

I am finding Alex Jone's message to be self-contradictory.

On the one hand, he bemoans the risk that one of these militia will start shooting, while on the other hand much of what he's saying (well, shouting) is exactly the sort of flame bait that can be counted on to energize such militia ... raging against (in the sort of terms that Alex might use) the murdering, thieving, lying, crime lords in the Senate, the rich but evil Chinese, and the overbearing, land grabbing, gun stealing, torturer of women and cows, Federal government.

I'm back to thinking that the first order objective of the bastards in power is to start an armed revolution ... maybe it's just because I'm a congenital wimp, but going toe to toe against Uncle Sam in armed combat doesn't seem like a wise choice in my book.

If this is the bastards immediate objective, then Alex Jones is serving their cause well by inflaming the militias.

Rocky_Shorz
12th April 2014, 06:22
now take a look at this tidbit... Guess who already has a gold mines in Nevada...

Assets of the Maurice A. Knight Company were acquired by subsidiaries of Koch Industries, Inc. in 1981.

“Koch Knight"

available minerals

TABLE 2
LIST OF MINERAL COMMODITIES
PRODUCED FROM NEVADA MINING OPERATIONS
JANUARY 2012 – DECEMBER 2012
1. AGGREGATE SAND, GRAVEL, AND LEACH ROCK
2. ALUM
3. BARITE
4. BASE ROCK
5. BENTONITE
6. BULLION
7. CAT LITTER
8. CEMENT
9. CLAY
10. COLEMANITE
11. COPPER
12. CRUSHED STONE
13. DECOMPOSED GRANITE
14. DECORATIVE AND LANDSCAPE ROCK AND STONE
15. DIATOMITE
16. GEOTHERMAL
17. GOLD
18. GYPSUM
19. INORGANIC ROCK PRODUCT
20. IRON ORE
21. LEAD
22. LIME/QUICK LIME
23. LIMESTONE
24. LITHIUM
25. MAGNESITE
26. MAGNETITE
27. MOLYBDENUM
28. OPALS
29. PERLITE
30. POTASH
31. PUMICE
32. PYRITE
33. SALT
34. SILVER
35. SMECTITE CLAY
36. SULPHUR
37. VOLCANIC CINDER
38. WOLLASTONITE
39. ZEOLITE
40. ZINC

Noble Energy has been given rights to start fracking in Nevada, hmmm

maybe we should see who it might be connected to, hmmmm Houston we have a problem...

Mr. Edward F. Cox is Independent Director of Noble Energy Inc., since 1984. Mr. Cox is chair of the New York Republican State Committee...

Mr. Cox served as the New York State Chair of Senator John McCain’s presidential campaign. He has served Presidents Nixon, Reagan and H. W. Bush in the international arena

link (http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/companyOfficers?symbol=NBL&WTmodLOC=C4-Officers-5)

Rocky_Shorz
12th April 2014, 06:43
and everyone gives me a hard time about Sorcha... :pound:



I am finding Alex Jone's message to be self-contradictory.

On the one hand, he bemoans the risk that one of these militia will start shooting, while on the other hand much of what he's saying (well, shouting) is exactly the sort of flame bait that can be counted on to energize such militia ... raging against (in the sort of terms that Alex might use) the murdering, thieving, lying, crime lords in the Senate, the rich but evil Chinese, and the overbearing, land grabbing, gun stealing, torturer of women and cows, Federal government.

I'm back to thinking that the first order objective of the bastards in power is to start an armed revolution ... maybe it's just because I'm a congenital wimp, but going toe to toe against Uncle Sam in armed combat doesn't seem like a wise choice in my book.

If this is the bastards immediate objective, then Alex Jones is serving their cause well by inflaming the militias.

well remember Petreus was swinging with a twin that whispered to both Alex and a few others, so they've been mouthpieces for a while... listening to what they have to say is important, but see if you can find the missing piece they forget to mention in every breaking news report he gives...


the TeaParty, is one of the most amazing rabbit holes we've had to explore in a while...

http://www.birdolapkitap.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/alice-cay-partisi.jpg

Rocky_Shorz
12th April 2014, 07:45
Now it really gets good... (http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=36873)

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/images/40.jpghttp://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/images/names/40.gif

Executive Order 12548 - Grazing Fees
February 14, 1986

"By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, and in order to provide for establishment of appropriate fees for the grazing of domestic livestock on public rangelands, it is ordered as follows:

Section 1. Determination of Fees. The Secretaries of Agriculture and the Interior are directed to exercise their authority, to the extent permitted by law under the various statutes they administer, to establish fees for domestic livestock grazing on the public rangelands which annually equals the $1.23 base established by the 1966 Western Livestock Grazing Survey multiplied by the result of the Forage Value Index (computed annually from data supplied by the Statistical Reporting Service) added to the Combined Index (Beef Cattle Price Index minus the Prices Paid Index) and divided by 100; provided, that the annual increase or decrease in such fee for any given year shall be limited to not more than plus or minus 25 percent of the previous year's fee, and provided further, that the fee shall not be less than $1.35 per animal unit month.

Sec. 2. Definitions. As used in this Order, the term:

(a) "Public rangelands" has the same meaning as in the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978 (Public Law 95514);

(b) "Forage Value Index" means the weighted average estimate of the annual rental charge per head per month for pasturing cattle on private rangelands in the 11 Western States (Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada, Washington, Oregon, and California) (computed by the Statistical Reporting Service from the June Enumerative Survey) divided by $3.65 and multiplied by 100;

(c) "Beef Cattle Price Index" means the weighted average annual selling price for beef cattle (excluding calves) in the 11 Western States (Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada, Washington, Oregon, and California) for November through October (computed by the Statistical Reporting Service) divided by $22.04 per hundred weight and multiplied by 100; and

(d) "Prices Paid Index" means the following selected components from the Statistical Reporting Service's Annual National Index of Prices Paid by Farmers for Goods and Services adjusted by the weights indicated in parentheses to reflect livestock production costs in the Western States: 1. Fuels and Energy (14.5); 2. Farm and Motor Supplies (12.0); 3. Autos and Trucks (4.5); 4. Tractors and Self-Propelled Machinery (4.5); 5. Other Machinery (12.0); 6. Building and Fencing Materials (14.5); 7. Interest (6.0); 8. Farm Wage Rates (14.0); 9. Farm Services (18.0).

Sec. 3. Any and all existing rules, practices, policies, and regulations relating to the administration of the formula for grazing fees in section 6(a) of the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978 shall continue in full force and effect.

Sec. 4. This Order shall be effective immediately.

RONALD REAGAN
The White House,
February 14, 1986.

[Filed with the Office of the Federal Register, 10:32 a.m., February 18, 1986]"

Paul
12th April 2014, 07:51
More news from the Bundy front:

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US Federal Aeronautics Administration (FAA) restricts flight over Bundy Ranch (http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/notam_actual_4_1687.html)
AIRSPACE MESQUITE, NV..TEMPORARY FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS WITHIN AREA DEFINED AS 3NM RADIUS

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From BeforeItsNews.com (http://beforeitsnews.com/terrorism/2014/04/bundy-ranch-cell-towers-shut-down-according-to-bundy-family-govt-endgame-massacre-near-2448510.html):c63ke6QgGnE


We're getting reports that the cell towers have been shut down in the area of the Cliven Bundy Ranch. We need your help in confirming these reports as we cannot reach our correspondents on the scene.

Rocky_Shorz
12th April 2014, 07:53
what's the number for Blackwater Nevada, I'll give em a call...

Paul
12th April 2014, 07:54
Now it really gets good... (http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=36873)
How so ... ?

What are you reading between the lines here that intrigued you?

Rocky_Shorz
12th April 2014, 08:08
"well, Mr. Cox is chair of the New York Republican State Committee...

Mr. Cox has served Presidents Nixon, Reagan and H. W. Bush in the international arena"

Reagen signed the law that would force ranchers off their land, to free it up for his friends to start drilling at no cost...

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I'm starting to think this whole scene is to get the GOP so fed up with the Tea Party that they force them to break off...

cuitlahuac
12th April 2014, 08:09
Senator Harry Reid is making history, sparking an American Revolution.


http://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/government-harry-reid.jpg?w=500&h=375

Rocky_Shorz
12th April 2014, 08:47
so they are spending a million to collect the cattle which is ~$1000 ea and they sell for $250

they are running up massive man hours for protection and crowd control...

other than removing food from the local food chain, how is this helping again?

oh yeah, for the turtles...

http://www.dcclothesline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/desert-tortoise.jpg

Paul
12th April 2014, 08:58
There is a very important message from Alex Jones near the end of this video, beginning at 9:00, where Alex mentions a Hutaree Militia youtube video.

This is (amongst other things, such as Harry Reid corruption and Chinese taking control of American property) ... this is a setup ... a classic setup.

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Paul Joseph Watson, of PrisonPlanet, speaks to this concern, that the Feds will use the militia supporting Bundy to provoke violence.

Paul
12th April 2014, 09:08
oh yeah, for the turtles...

http://www.dcclothesline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/desert-tortoise.jpg

Yup.

Every turtle has the God Government given right to be killed by whomever the Government so decides.

Before Nevada Cattle Rancher Standoff, BLM Killed Hundreds of Endangered Desert Tortoises (http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/before-nevada-cattle-rancher-standoff-blm-killed-hundreds-of-endangered-desert-tortoises)

Paul
12th April 2014, 10:16
such a shame, all of those GOteaPartiers running out there to make a political statement and not a one was smart enough to pull out a Map to see how Far Laughlin where the $5 Billion dollar solar panel Manufacturing plant and farm will be, it is being built to bring jobs to the state...

oh yeah, once again, Alex and a few others spun up a plan to blow the minds of their listeners by cutting out just one little thing... facts...


The Langfang, China-based ENN Energy Group hopes to build what would be the largest solar energy complex in America. The site chosen with Rory Reid's guidance is in tiny Laughlin, Nevada, a gambling town of 7,300 along the Colorado River, 90 miles south of Las Vegas... link (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/31/us-usa-china-reid-solar-idUSBRE87U06D20120831)

Bundy's ranch is by Mesquite East of Vegas 50+ miles
Alex Jones might still be basically right.

His mention of Laughlin is off - by quite a distance.

But the various Solar Energy Zones (SEZ's) in Clark County, Nevada (http://www.clarkcountynv.gov/depts/brc/Pages/CleanEnergy.aspx), are in a variety of places, including some close to the Bundy Ranch, such as the Dry Lake SEZ (http://solareis.anl.gov/sez/drylake/index.cfm).

It is these SEZ's where acres of Chinese manufactured solar panels would end up. The "Technical Suitability" for each SEZ includes its proximity to transmission corridors suitable for containing the high tension power lines needed to distribute the generated power.

Paul
12th April 2014, 10:31
Cliven Bundy's daughter, Shiree Bundy Cox speaks up (link (http://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/2014/04/09/exclusive-the-bundy-daughter-speaks-out-on-government-terrorism-against-her-family/)):

I have had people ask me to explain my dad’s stance on this BLM fight.

Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it is in a nut shell.

My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972.

These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the survival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars.

These rights to the land use is called preemptive rights.

Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the bureau of land management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repairs and improvements of the ranches.

My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve.

Instead they began using these money’s against the ranchers.

They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with their own grazing fees.

When they offered to buy my dad out for a penence he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren’t doing their job.

He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down.

So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes.

In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business.

Well when buying him out didn’t work, they used the indangered species card.

You’ve already heard about the desert tortis.

Well that didn’t work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years.

Now they’re desperate.

It’s come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff.

Everything they’re doing at this point is illegal and totally against the constitution of the United States of America.

Now you may be saying,” how sad, but what does this have to do with me?” Well, I’ll tell you.

They will get rid of Cliven Bundy, the last man standing on the Bunkerville allotment and then they will close all the roads so no one can ever go on it again.

Next, it’s Utah’s turn. Mark my words, Utah is next.

Then there’s the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn’t paid them, those cattle do belong to him.

Regardless where they are they are my fathers property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even existed.

Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad’s signature on it.

They think they can take them over two boarders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfeild Auction and sell them.

All with our tax money.

They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars.

See how slick they are?

Well, this is it in a nut shell. Thanks
She says it well, in my view.

Conchis
12th April 2014, 14:09
So, they have declared a temporary no flight zone over the area....whatcha wanna bet there will be drones cruising that place night and day, looking for where people are and what they are doing and they don't want aircraft in the area to interfere.

naste.de.lumina
12th April 2014, 14:25
So, they have declared a temporary no flight zone over the area....whatcha wanna bet there will be drones cruising that place night and day, looking for where people are and what they are doing and they don't want aircraft in the area to interfere.

http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz143/xxxxlager/DroneHunting_zps0adaac62.jpg

Lifebringer
12th April 2014, 14:50
has anyone thought of crowd funding for his back grazing taxes, so they can't take them off the ranch. You know the only reason they are there is because he gave them a reason to be there by "not" paying for decades, like his neighbors. Seems he took a stand back then and now "helped the chickens come home to roost."

However no bloodshed has to occur, if he uses social networking with like minded individuals that want to help him keep his lifestyle. To have 160 acres and cattle, then to go on other grazing lands that have a price for upkeep and such, and not pay, seems like he made the decision/bed and is now finding it a bit uncomfortable. I bet his ancestors paid the taxes to keep it for him and he has reneiged trust of the family home, playing I don't think I'll pay grazing fees for 20 years. This is stupid, but like I said, if he'd paid like his other neighbors, there wouldn't be a problem. It is the MONEY owed, that allowed state collection to come after or seize what Bundy owed for 20 years. I have sympathy for the family because Bundy after 20 years of ignoring during a recession, bought this on him self by his choice not to do as other property owners have done. If he's only renting, then does he have a right to use a business of cattle raising on the other tax paying neighbor's dime?

Try crowdfunding in his circle of friends and networking. There's always a better solution than death over material wealth that you can't take with you, and evidently renting he already knows this. The seizure of his "assets/cows" wouldn't have happened, if he would have paid the annual grazing fees. Tax payer fattened, tax payer seizure by the state of which he is also a member using the roads and every other modern convenience. I see two sides of the coin here, and the answer is simply to "Pay the back taxes Pa, so they can get off our land/home.

Jake
12th April 2014, 14:57
I am keeping a close eye on this too. I've explained what is happening to my family,,, mom, dad, brother,,, etc... (Brother immediately got angry and stormed off,,, cussing at me because I am a conspiracy nutter) mom and dad spent the rest of the night trying to find it on the news... Quite frustrating...

By now, I consider every single person living in America a Native American. By definition, aren't we all Native to America, if we were born here and reside here?? I like to use the term American Indian,, because 'Native American' takes away from anyone else being considered Native,,, by definition...

A charming sentiment,, however... You do NOT want to be considered Native American by the American Government, not now,, not ever...


In 1867, William Sherman wrote a letter to General Grant insisting that “we are not going to let thieving, ragged Indians check and stop the progress” of the railroad. About a year earlier, Sherman had urged Grant to “act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux, even to their extermination, men, women, and children.” Dr. Thomas DiLorenzo points out that Sherman set out to make the Sioux “feel the superior power of the Government,” even if “the final solution to the Indian problem” required that they be physically annihilated.

These native Americans were all murdered for their land. The Railroad was simply more important to the investors at the time... And it was the Military who implemented the mechanisms that were to remove (murder) Tribes, to make way for industry... And they did not stop there!!! Tribal lands were taken and given as an offering for treaties after the civil war. (a controlled civil war)

I used to hold a dream in my heart for America. That we would one day consider ALL Americans,, Native... And it would represent a coming together of peoples in our country....

As it turns out,,, the most vindictive, corrupt, evil, (and just downright mean) politicians, bankers, etc,,, Have all decided to treat us like Native Americans... But NOT in the Good way!!!

Lands taken, crops destroyed, cows/buffalo slaughtered, propaganda, Internment/resettling,, people and families arrested/murdered, destroyed, relocated!!! They are taking the land!!! (agenda21)


I remember a scene in Young Guns 2,,, They came across a sign that said, "We will not tolerate Scum!!" A youngster asks, "What is Scum", Billy the Kid responds,, "Bankers, politicians, Cattle kings,,, SCUM!!"

Any type of mentality that will put up a "Second Amendment Zone",, and pretend that our rights are being looked after,,, is a problem... Folks... we have a problem..

Jake.

blufire
12th April 2014, 15:15
have had people ask me to explain my dad’s stance on this BLM fight.

Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it is in a nut shell.

My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972.

These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the survival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars.

These rights to the land use is called preemptive rights.

Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the bureau of land management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repairs and improvements of the ranches.

My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve.

Instead they began using these money’s against the ranchers.


If what she says here to true about her great grandfather and the right to this allotment of land in order to have the ‘rights to use the land’ or ‘preemptive rights’ then Bundy does not have a leg to stand on.

I am not a lawyer but do understand the theory behind this type of agreement . . . it happens in the Appalachians quite often with land that has been strip mined or logged and farmers desire to use this ‘flat(er) land’ to graze cattle.

Her great grandfather bought the ‘rights’ to use an allotment of land’ . . . he did not purchase land he only purchased the ‘rights’ to use the land. These rights are 'preemptive' meaning there is a very specific reason and purpose for this allotment of land.

The BLM or government has always owned the land . . . they did not sell the land to the great grandfather . . . ONLY the ‘preemptive right’ to use this land under a very specific contract usage.

More than likely over the years the original contract language of the ‘preemptive rights’ became confused from great grandfather to Mr. Bundy.

She states clearly that he paid the grazing fees for years but (probably) out of stubbornness and confused understanding with his contract with BLM he stopped paying the fees and therefore (more than likely) has forfeited his ‘preemptive right’ to use this allotment of land.

He screwed up and is now suffering the consequences of his stubborn pride and ego.

Did the BLM press the issue and situation to reclaim this land without the ‘preemptive rights’ limitations to this land . . . more than likely. For what reason . . who knows.

Another little side note I have not seen brought up in relation to this situation is the Patriot Act. It clearly states in the Patriot Act that if any section or department of the government deems land that is owned by a citizen of the US an asset that the government may need (for any reason), then the government clearly has the right to claim that land under ‘immanent(sp?) domain’. They do not have to give the land owner any reason or even pay the owner for that land. This is law now.

This situation will end badly. It is out of control now and it will be spun to benefit the government agencies in what ever way they need it and it has been set up for this very thing.

Biggest one I see is another ‘big reason’ to confiscate our guns, because now the militias are involved . . . and guess who are flat in the middle of these militia groups coming to Bundy’s rescue . . . . they are not our guys.

They have used poor Mr. Bundy and his ignorance and misconception of his rights to this BLM land. My heart goes out to him and his family. . . . and to all of us.

This is all another factor in setting the American people up for the further implementation of the NWO.

If we are going to be ‘rebels with a cause’ then I suggest VERY strongly we don’t jump in the middle of a ‘cause’ that is implemented by the government or the enemy. Cause guess what? That particular ‘cause’ is doomed to failure from the get go.

We got to be smarter people . . . . start with reading Sun Tzu’s “The Art of War”.

naste.de.lumina
12th April 2014, 15:30
The lands that are not under particular ' possession ' are automatically lands the federal government ? If the people behind the Feds want any land , just create a law to criminalize in some situation the landowner .

Legality is not morality.

From what I can get information on the net , Mr. Bundy has a contract with the state of Nevada for use of pasture and water rates remain paid . These rights were bought before the existence of BML .

Mr. Bundy refuses to pay taxes to the federal government and not the state of Nevada .

A bunch of corrupt politicians are compelled to change laws and you shall owe taxes as if by magic .

Who is the federal government ?

The sheriff of ' Sherwood ' .

No passing , fish , hunt, gather wood, breathe , pee , etc. , on the grounds of ' Federal Government ' ( Sheriff of Sherwood ) ?

How about passing a law ' noctis primae jus ' ? Ohhh that exaggeration. An exaggeration that existed .

It may be a federal law .

To be successful in a revolution is necessary for people to ' think ' or continue being ignorant and deluded slaves .

Worse, will help to continue the enslavement of their children .

Karma is a effective bitch .

Naste.

Carmody
12th April 2014, 16:17
such a shame, all of those GOteaPartiers running out there to make a political statement and not a one was smart enough to pull out a Map to see how Far Laughlin where the $5 Billion dollar solar panel Manufacturing plant and farm will be, it is being built to bring jobs to the state...

oh yeah, once again, Alex and a few others spun up a plan to blow the minds of their listeners by cutting out just one little thing... facts...


The Langfang, China-based ENN Energy Group hopes to build what would be the largest solar energy complex in America. The site chosen with Rory Reid's guidance is in tiny Laughlin, Nevada, a gambling town of 7,300 along the Colorado River, 90 miles south of Las Vegas... link (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/31/us-usa-china-reid-solar-idUSBRE87U06D20120831)

Bundy's ranch is by Mesquite East of Vegas 50+ miles


Blackwater isn't there over clean energy... LMAO




The Koch Brothers Left a Confidential Document at Their Donor Conference
A list of one-on-one meetings between VIP donors and the Kochs and their operatives offers a revealing look into their mighty political machine.

who's dragging the tea party by their noses? click here (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/02/koch-brothers-palm-springs-donor-list)

I was just reading that it was a $5 Billion deal/sale....for land estimated to be worth...$36-38 billion.

There's a bit of a problem with the math, here. Something does not add up.

Every part of this thing is layered in lies, feints, and concealed data and motions.

TODD & NORA
12th April 2014, 16:19
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Lifebringer
12th April 2014, 16:22
Thanks for bringing the story out, because for a while on twitter they posted a racist TP candidate defending Confederate Secret orga? IDK, anyway before that article, they posted that they were "crazy by saying they needed mental help." I would have taken the money and moved my cattle and family to a better grazing area w/out fees. They want to put a solar farm on it for the utilities, and to purify, desalinize ocean water or other projects. A new clean utility and WATER for the farms is better, I suppose. Just pay the fees through the Federal Government, notary IRS, and make sure they make plenty of copies of the receipt posted on the internet. Still say crowdfund and head them off in justification of seizure. Don't understand why it took them this long to do so.

blufire
12th April 2014, 16:39
Folks . . . . . .

You really should try hard to think outside the parameters the government and ‘others’ have put in place.

It is good and effective that many here are defining these parameters and exactly what this ‘box’ looks like.

But we really need to stop forming plans and strategy from that perspective and place.

So often now . . . no matter what the topic is on a PA thread I hear the words slaves, slavery, enslavement, prison planet . . . . and YES as long as you stay ‘safely’ within the box and framework of thought that has been laid out for you then you will have this apathetic beaten attitude and way of thinking and most of all how you live and conduct your life.

This is a choice you individually make everyday.

Break the mold

Break the pattern

Identify the box and set that box aside . . . and burn it . . .along with everything that defines that box and what is in it.

Most will not.

That box no matter how insidious it (box) feels and means is still a safety blanket of false security for the majority.

Use what has been laid out . . . especially land, technology, autonomy, business . . . to your advantage . . . be smart. Pick it apart until you are as certain you can be you are not stepping back in the ‘box’.

Box Traps also include . . . . government subsidies, welfare, food stamps, unemployment, credit, social security. Use these to your advantage but with caution and NEVER become reliant upon them.

I have spoke quite often about the next 25 (or more) of tribulation and darkness while the New World future is established. This event with Mr. Bundy is nothing of what we will see.

There is no stopping this Reality and Future. But there is most definitely a way to come out the other side in a very positive place . . . full of life and peace.

TODD & NORA
12th April 2014, 16:41
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Lifebringer
12th April 2014, 16:50
I knew a corporate Republican sold us out. Trickle/Tinkle Down in the behind closed doors arena. Damn, we've got to do what every red blooded American has thought about, and that ladies and gents, is to "review every agency in our government, it's function at current and past to determine any waste or need for the program to exist, and to not only criminal check, but monitor bank accounts that "auto fill" of politicians running or backed by this draconian agenda 21 nightmare. They've been at it for a while, but that was while our fathers and mothers were asleep at the switch, exhausted to the point of trusting every thing the media owned elites told them. WE will not be so easily fooled, and it's why those showing their age in office, but be if necessary mentally tested for maniacal and psychotic episodes of greed to stay in office. They sell anything to keep their jobs because as George H.W.Bush said: "If the public every finds out what we've done, they'll chase us down and lynch us in the public square."
A little drastic to go to such ends, when they could be publicly reality tv, behind bars with reporters quizzing them on why they did such dirty deeds. I'd watch that one on Netflix. LOL

Carmody
12th April 2014, 17:01
We're getting reports that the cell towers have been shut down in the area of the Cliven Bundy Ranch. We need your help in confirming these reports as we cannot reach our correspondents on the scene.

Personally, I would have planned ahead for that.

One, with short and long range VHF backup,

and two...tunable (select your frequencies) long range versions of the VHF back-up units.

And the odd ham transceiver set, just to be sure.


Shutting down cell towers is an obvious move.

Conchis
12th April 2014, 17:02
Is there a place to check to see if the temporary air ban was lifted as well?

Lifebringer
12th April 2014, 17:10
It's an old test we've come through before with cooler saner more intelligent common sense. It's the way of the world, talking/discussion is the basis for civilized society. They are trying to destabilize for "martial law." Don't fall for it, just crowdfund what he owes, and stop the madness. If America needs clean energy then he'll have to reside on his own rental area and fix it where it will provide substantial food for his livestock. He doesn't have the right to seize public lands, does he? He says he doesn't pay taxes and this country pays taxes for services rendered? Idk, correct me if I'm wrong.
Abuse of trust by President Reagan and Republican Warmonger Coup has always been the people's/voters concern. Time to step up to the plate this elections and fire them for real this time. They must come for the people's voice, or go home broke from fraud ads this season.
If we simply remember this song as we walk to through the valley of the "shadow liars club" we must sing this song to ourselves for our children.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgA2Sn3b6OM
I think they should vote for better people in their state, not like Reagan. Smiling faces pretend to be your friend. They hide in the shadows, of the evil, that lurks within.
Smiling faces, smiling faces, sometimes...they don't tell the truth.
Smiling faces, smiling faces, tell lies...and we got proof.

Conchis
12th April 2014, 17:14
According to the live news feed....back on page 3 for a link... the siege is over. The government opened up the land and the BLM has disarmed. We'll see.

Olam
12th April 2014, 17:24
According to the live news feed....back on page 3 for a link... the siege is over. The government opened up the land and the BLM has disarmed. We'll see.
Not so fast please with saying the BLM has disarmed, Mr Bundy gave a one hour ultimatum for the sheriff to disarm BLM and bring back the guns. We are still within the one hour mark and so anything can happen at this point. Either the Sheriff disarms or the people will probably disarm the sheriff.....hopefully without any violence.

Oh and I don't beleive in coincidence and so there was a flock of geese flying over the people in a V formation!! Nature chipping in the fight showing victory for the people!

Lifebringer
12th April 2014, 17:25
Reagan started selling America via the GOP and American voters paying attention, like Ross Perot, tried to stop him, but after his recession and the Bush lie"read my lips no new taxes" people fell for it hook line and sinker. Bottom line is "nothing is free in thisworld. A$$, grass or cash, nobody rides free. I was told that by a wise man, my trucker of 35 years Dad.

Remember don't believe the hype, because they will HYPE it!!! and make sure when you pay the crowd fund for this man, that he fully understands, he's to pay his grazing taxes from now on, but he's not to use the public lands for it, and not pay. It doesn't have to get nasty. MONEY got him into this, and MONEY will get him out and the GOV/State off his behind.
If they raise money for Zimmerman, they can raise it for this guy, "if they really wanted to." It may be taking a stand on "not" paying taxes, at least it seems so to me. I could be wrong, but nobody cheats the government for 20 years. Tell him to take it to the Federal IRS and get it notorized and forwarded to the dept of taxation in Nevada.

Simple as that. I wouldn't take a bullet for this man's insistence on cheating the system or blocking clean energy. There is always a compromise, or is that a "dirty word to use" now? He's a renter, not an owner.

I still say I would move my family to be around people that felt like me and don't want to pay for services and a $300,000 twenty year moocher fee also.
Just saying there are different laws when you actually OWN the land then someone just renting decade after decade and too stubborn to have a sustainable livestock lifestyle.
If the amount of cattle is more than his land can handle, then why should the tax payer pay for his feed? If you're gonna demand no birth control, abortions and forced carried children of rape, then be prepared to feed, house, and heat them during the cold winters. A solar and wind farm can be very much needed way out there in desert lands without filtered water. The power to do this can be obtained. I suggest he keep his cows off the fee grazing land, oh, that's right, it's no longer grazing land but a future clean energy power station.

Just saying and MO, he should have taken the money like the other land owners and let the state, country move forward.

blufire
12th April 2014, 17:37
This event could be a test of the American people. A test to see how most would react and what we would do.

This type of maneuver is a ‘strategic push’. And there have many of these the last 4 or 5 years.

A strategic push is strategy that is put in play to push a foe to see how he will react and to see what measures are taken to counter the factors behind the ‘push’. They collect massive amounts of information and Intel from these events.

I don’t seriously think the BLM has backed off or quit. More than likely it is simply a regroup.

When I say ‘they’ I do not mean the BLM, government, political party or any other pawn ‘they’ use.

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According to the live news feed....back on page 3 for a link... the siege is over. The government opened up the land and the BLM has disarmed. We'll see.
Not so fast please with saying the BLM has disarmed, Mr Bundy gave a one hour ultimatum for the sheriff to disarm BLM and bring back the guns. We are still within the one hour mark and so anything can happen at this point. Either the Sheriff disarms or the people will probably disarm the sheriff.....hopefully without any violence.

Oh and I don't beleive in coincidence and so there was a flock of geese flying over the people in a V formation!! Nature chipping in the fight showing victory for the people!


This is no Victory for the people . . . in no way shape or form.

Olam
12th April 2014, 17:39
This is no Victory for the people . . . in no way shape or form.

NOT YET, small steps forward with courage , people working together resisting tyranny....do I need to go on?

blufire
12th April 2014, 17:45
NOT YET, small steps forward with courage , people working together resisting tyranny....do I need to go on?

This event and the people involved are being herded in exactly how it was determined. The outcome was planned a long time ago.

Read my other posts.

Olam
12th April 2014, 17:53
The live feed just shut down, either a cell phone battery issue or something else. If he did not have external battery on the phone then its logic as he has been on air for more than one hour..

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This event and the people involved are being herded in exactly how it was determined. The outcome was planned a long time ago.

Read my other posts.

I understand what you are saying, I shudder to think that it will all go down with smoke and bullets.
I can't believe this will be some kind of showdown at the OK corral thing...

Lifebringer
12th April 2014, 18:01
BLM killed some biker 2 weeks ago? Wow corporate murder investigation.

Rocky_Shorz
12th April 2014, 18:40
Alex Jones might still be basically right.

His mention of Laughlin is off - by quite a distance.

But the various Solar Energy Zones (SEZ's) in Clark County, Nevada (http://www.clarkcountynv.gov/depts/brc/Pages/CleanEnergy.aspx), are in a variety of places, including some close to the Bundy Ranch, such as the Dry Lake SEZ (http://solareis.anl.gov/sez/drylake/index.cfm).

It is these SEZ's where acres of Chinese manufactured solar panels would end up. The "Technical Suitability" for each SEZ includes its proximity to transmission corridors suitable for containing the high tension power lines needed to distribute the generated power.

what we do know, it is over energy, massive amounts of clean energy from Solar, or the friggen frackers...

solar isn't affected by cattle, put them off the ground on poles and the cattle can graze underneath... it creates shade for cattle standing in the 120 degree summer heat.

Now Fracking pools of waste sitting on the surface is another story, ground water pollution, can not be done with cattle in the area...

Rocky_Shorz
12th April 2014, 18:46
The second U.S. Civil War has begun...and the Russians are LAUGHING THEIR A$$E$ OFF.

BLS TO CEASE ALL OPERATIONS AGAINST BUNDY RANCH. - JUST RELEASED NEWS UPDATE SECONDS AGO.

that is great news, I was tearing up twitter last night getting the message out...

put Reagan in a message to Republicans and they all go silent...

OK Blood Moon ground Zero has passed without incident...

good job everyone...

2 days to go...

naste.de.lumina
12th April 2014, 19:12
Police are now blocking roads and demanding that hundreds of Bundy supporters turn back as tensions mount.
SWAT teams are also in place.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlCgcPcCEAE749O.jpg

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Paul
12th April 2014, 19:26
Is there a place to check to see if the temporary air ban was lifted as well?

Here's some more details on the ban, from http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_4_1687.html. Effective dates are 7 hours short of an entire month. The restrictions are just from ground up to 3000 feet. Other such FAA flight restrictions over the US are available at http://tfr.faa.gov/tfr_map_ims/html/index.html


http://thepythoniccow.us/FAA_Nevada_April11_2014.jpg

sigma6
12th April 2014, 19:43
BLM SURRENDERS ... VICTORY FOR BUNDY RANCH

Just goes to show, this is about about corporate politics, "citizens" arming the government with their own taxes so they can turn around and fight them to prevent them from stealing their own property...

Don't be giving up your gun rights just yet... they may very well come in handy...

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/04/victory-bundy-ranch-blm-surrenders-victory-for-bundy-ranch-victory-over-tyranny-peaceful-end-video-2937012.html

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Paul
12th April 2014, 19:53
BLM SURRENDERS ... VICTORY FOR BUNDY RANCH
I am sceptical of this report :).

Paul
12th April 2014, 20:04
BLM SURRENDERS ... VICTORY FOR BUNDY RANCH
I am sceptical of this report :).

That report from Pete Santilli that you linked, sigma6, is rather short on details. Very short :).

Here's an Associated Press report from the Sacramento Bee (http://www.fresnobee.com/2014/04/12/3874157/blm-abruptly-ends-cattle-roundup.html#storylink=rss) (Sacramento is the Capital city of the state of California, next to Nevada).

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BLM abruptly ends cattle roundup in Nevada

By MARTIN GRIFFITH
Associated Press
April 12, 2014

Federal land managers abruptly ended a roundup of cattle on public land in southern Nevada from a rancher who has refused to recognize their authority, citing a "serious concern" for the safety of employees and the public.

Bureau of Land Management chief Neil Kornze made the announcement Saturday morning at the same time armed militia members and others gathered near the roundup site to protest the removal of hundreds of Cliven Bundy's cattle.

The Las Vegas Review-Journal reports the crowd then mobilized to force the BLM to free cattle already seized and were en route to a BLM corral outside Mesquite.

Republican U.S. Sen. Dean Heller of Nevada issued a statement asking the crowd to return home and allow BLM employees to leave without interference.

Some 400 cows were gathered during the roundup that began a week ago, short of the BLM's goal of 900 cows that it says were trespassing on public land.

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This makes more sense to me. The BLM is changing the methods it is using to roundup the cattle. This is a report of the current method (helicopters?) being suspended.

Perhaps the BLM is going to bring in some cowboys on horses instead, which is a more appropriate way to round up cattle on the open range.

Paul
12th April 2014, 20:12
Here is another report, with more details, stating that the BLM has backed off from the "cattle gather" (aka roundup).

From ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/US/nevada-cattle-rancher-wins-range-war-federal-government/story?id=23302610):

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U.S. Nevada Cattle Rancher Wins 'Range War' With Feds

April 12, 2014, By LIZ FIELDS, via Good Morning America

A Nevada cattle rancher appears to have won his week-long battle with the federal government over a controversial cattle roundup that had led to the arrest of several protesters.

Cliven Bundy went head to head with the Bureau of Land Management over the removal of hundreds of his cattle from federal land, where the government said they were grazing illegally.

Bundy claims his herd of roughly 900 cattle have grazed on the land along the riverbed near Bunkerville, 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas, since 1870 and threatened a "range war" against the BLM on the Bundy Ranch website after one of his sons was arrested while protesting the removal of the cattle.

"I have no contract with the United States government," Bundy said. "I was paying grazing fees for management and that's what BLM was supposed to be, land managers and they were managing my ranch out of business, so I refused to pay."

The federal government had countered that Bundy "owes the American people in excess of $1 million " in unpaid grazing fees and "refuses to abide by the law of land, despite many opportunities over the last 20 years to do so."

However, today the BLM said it would not enforce a court order to remove the cattle and was pulling out of the area.

"Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public," BLM Director Neil Kornze said.

"We ask that all parties in the area remain peaceful and law-abiding as the Bureau of Land Management and National Park Service work to end the operation in an orderly manner," he said.

The roundup began April 5, following lengthy court proceedings dating back to 1993, federal officials said. Federal officers began impounding the first lot of cows last weekend, and Bundy responded by inviting supporters onto his land to protest the action.

"It's not about cows, it's about freedom," Utah resident Yonna Winget told ABC News affiliate KTNV in Las Vegas, Nevada.

"People are getting tired of the federal government having unlimited power," Bundy's wife, Carol Bundy told ABC News.

By Sunday, April 6, one of Bundy's sons, Dave Bundy, was taken into custody for refusing to disperse and resisting arrest, while hundreds of other protesters, some venturing from interstate, gathered along the road few miles from Bundy's property in solidarity. Dave Bundy was later released.

A spokesman for the Bundy encampment told ABC News roughly 300 protesters had assembled for the protest, while a BLM representative estimated there were around 100 people.

"We want a peaceful protest, but we also want our voices heard," said Cliven Bundy's sister, Chrisie Marshall Bundy.

But clashes between demonstrators and authorities took a violent turn on Wednesday, with cell phone video showing some being tasered at the site, including Bundy's son, Ammon Bundy. Two other protesters were detained, cited and later released on Thursday, according to the BLM.

As the movement grew by the day, and demonstrators rallied together, bonding by campfires at night, local protest leaders warned people not to wear camouflage and keep their weapons inside their vehicles.

Both sides said the issue is one of fairness, with the federal government maintaining that thousands of other cattle ranchers are abiding by the law by paying their annual grazing fees, while Bundy's family and supporters say the government's actions are threatening ranchers' freedoms.

"It's about the freedom of America," said another of Bundy's sisters, Margaret Houston. "We have to stand up and fight."

ABC News' Alan Farnham contributed to this report.

=======================

naste.de.lumina
12th April 2014, 20:18
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlC6ag-IIAEcUyE.jpg

BUNKERVILLE, NEVADA—Breitbart Texas’ Managing Director Brandon Darby offers new images from the scene of a reported standoff between law enforcement and armed militia attempting to slow traffic to the point of shutdown on Interstate 15.

1:01pm Pacific -- “It was strange to see armed ranchers and militias stand off against a federal SWAT team under a bridge in a desert wash," Darby said. "After a few tense moments, the feds agreed to retreat and allow the ranchers and the militia to guide the remaining cattle back to tracts of land used by the Bundy ranch. Both sides were demanding the other disarm first. Both the ranchers and law enforcement refused; ultimately the federal agents began to walk backwards behind retreating vehicles and leave the area. Then they allowed a member of the Bundy family to travel a half-mile back beyond the conflict area and to see the family’s cattle. The family member returned and made the announcement that the family would receive the remaining heads of cattle and he requested that the ranchers and militia help corral and guide the cattle back.”

“Initially, militia members were yelling at people to stop their cars and shut the freeway down,” Darby said. “Word came that more militia were trying to get to the conflict area. Militia began directing traffic so more militia members could arrive to their location.

“At this point, tensions have calmed temporarily as militia and supporters made a short hike to a nearby bridge to try to go under a police line.”


http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Breitbart-Texas/2014/Bundy/Bundy-Shutdown3.jpg

http://www.breitbart.com/mediaserver/EDDF32CB103241159C8A0BD16BD542FB.jpg

http://www.breitbart.com/mediaserver/001933B19D0444168DC97F3EDADE7AC7.jpg



Source: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/12/Breaking-Images-from-Interstate-16-Standoff-Near-Bundy-Ranch

Carmody
12th April 2014, 20:23
victory?

Put it in writing, in court, federal court. Signed by department heads and president.

even then i would not trust them with a dead rat.

The history of the situation, and all situations that have come before...says that there is no reason whatsoever to trust the word of any of these government departments or spokespersons.

Just ask anyone who has ever come to an agreement with the USA.

Big sticker on their file: "Repeat offender, not to be trusted, violent, underhanded, deceitful, recommend permanent observation and incarceration."

Go to any old tourist attraction in Canada. Note that all the old cannons are still pointed at the USA.

Paul
12th April 2014, 20:26
Aha - the Las Vegas Review-Journal (http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada) has the best reporting (though I doubt they would report anything that painted Senator Harry Reid in too bad a light.)

From just 20 minutes ago, as I type this (http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada/blm-release-cattle-caught-bunkerville-roundup):

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BLM to release cattle caught in Bunkerville roundup

By TOM RAGAN and ANNALISE PORTER
LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL

BUNKERVILLE — At least a 100 head of cattle will be released by the Brueau of Land Management from a corral outside of Mesquite, according to a deal struck by upset ranchers and BLM agents in the latest development in the roundup of Cliven Bundy’s cattle.

The BLM, upset that Bundy has refused to pay federal grazing fees, rounded up at least one-third of Bundy’s cattle earlier this week, but on Saturday decided to halt the roundup due to safety concerns for its agents and the general public.

Bundy, who hasn’t paid the governmrent in two decades, was happy with BLM’s decision to pull out, telling a cheering crowd outside of his ranch — “Good morning America, Good morning world, isn’t it a beautiful day in Bunkerville?”

Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie served as a negotiator between Bundy and the BLM late Friday night.

On Saturday morning, he appealed to Bundy supporters, many of them Tea Party members and constitutional rights activists, to remain peaceful.

But supporters, some of them armed with handguns and rifles, were upset that Gillespie never mentioned what BLM planned to do with the cattle they had already rounded up mobilized late Saturday morning in an attempt to free the cattle.

The rush for the pen started shortly after 11 a.m.

Protesters’ actions cap a weeklong fight that’s been playing out 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas and has pitted armed federal agents against Bundy, a 67-year-old rancher who has refused to pay the federal government two decades’ worth of grazing fees, claiming the land is his.

Gillespie, looking a bit worried and flanked by several deputies, announced to nearly 1,000 supporters just before 10 a.m. that BLM would cease its operations, then told Bundy that he would sit down with him and discuss the fate of his cattle.

“The Gold Butte allotment will be reopened to the public,” the sheriff said. “And BLM will be removing their assets here in Clark County. What I would hope to sit down with you and talk about is how that is facilitated in a safe way. We may not have always agreed, but we have been respectful of each other’s opinon and to the process. And that’s why I’m here: to start that with you and to advise you of that.

BLM Director Neil Kornze said in a statement Saturday, “Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public.”

===================

There's more here (http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada/blm-release-cattle-caught-bunkerville-roundup)

Looks like Pete Santilli's report, posted by Sigma6 above, got it right :).

Carmody
12th April 2014, 20:30
You know this is just another tactic that will allow them to get their way in a few months time, at most.

That's all. It's just more games. No resolution whatsoever.

Paul
12th April 2014, 20:32
You know this is just another tactic that will allow them to get their way in a few months time, at most.

That's all. It's just more games. No resolution whatsoever.

Yes - there are no final and ultimate victories in this everlasting war.

But this day has been a good day.

Paul
12th April 2014, 20:57
Maia Gabrial posted another worthwhile thread on this event at What's really going on at the Bundy ranch in Nevada? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70416-What-s-really-going-on-at-the-Bundy-ranch-in-Nevada). There are some good insights and research there. I closed that thread in order to focus discussion of this event on this thread, but I encourage those who are interested to take a look over there (
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70416-What-s-really-going-on-at-the-Bundy-ranch-in-Nevada") as well.

naste.de.lumina
12th April 2014, 21:06
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlC_daSCMAANfTm.jpg

Feds Back Down In New Bundy Standoff, Agree to Release Cattle

Epic confrontation “like something out of a movie”

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones
Infowars.com
April 12, 2014

In an epic standoff that Infowars reporter David Knight described as being like “something out of a movie,” supporters of Nevada cattle rancher Cliven Bundy advanced on a position held by BLM agents despite threats that they would be shot at, eventually forcing BLM feds to release 100 cattle that had been stolen from Bundy as part of a land grab dispute that threatened to escalate into a Waco-style confrontation.

Despite the fact that Bureau of Land Management officials agreed to cease their operation to seize Bundy’s cattle after a massive public backlash, Bundy demanded that Sheriff Douglas Gillespie disarm BLM officials and return his stolen cows.
When this didn’t happen, hundreds of Bundy supporters, including cowboys on horseback, descended on a nearby cattle pen outside of Mesquite where the seized cows were being held.
In a tense standoff, armed BLM feds, backed up by at least one SWAT team, threatened to shoot at Bundy supporters if they marched any closer to a line of vehicles.
Infowars reporter David Knight, who was at the head of the march, described the scene as like the moment from V For Vendetta when the military is forced to stand down.

Despite threats such as “one more step and you’re dead,” the protesters continued their slow march towards BLM agents as bullhorns blared.
Refusing to back down, the protesters marched straight past the armed men and towards the cattle pen.
Sheriff Gillespie eventually appeared to inform Bundy supporters that the BLM had finally caved and agreed to release the 100 cattle they had seized that were inside the pen.
After around 30 minutes, Bundy supporters saw the cattle being released about a mile away in the distance.
It cannot be overstated how much of a gargantuan victory this represents for the American people in their battle against big government tyranny.
“The people have the power when they unite,” Ammon Bundy told the Las Vegas Review Journal. “The war has just begun.”

http://www.infowars.com/feds-back-down-in-new-bundy-standoff-agree-to-release-cattle/

Arc
12th April 2014, 21:10
David Knight is live streaming right now, and he is reporting that it looks like the tides turned again in favor of the ranchers, and the cattle are being returned. Let's see how this develops further.

http://www.ustream.tv/AlexJonesLive

SPIRIT WOLF
12th April 2014, 21:22
The US government want total control of Nevada and will stop at nothing in order to do just that, this is the start.

13th Warrior
12th April 2014, 22:09
"Resistance is Victory! "

blufire
13th April 2014, 02:49
Okay. . . Lets see if I have this right.

Bundy hasn't paid grazing fees for his 900 head of beef cattle in at least 20 years. If the reports are correct that's around one million dollars he owes.

The BLM finally said no more mooching and stealing Mr. Bundy its time for you to feed your own cattle and pay back what you owe the tax payers (of which I am one)

The taxpayers help Bundy get his cattle back. He still gets to keep the million he owes. . . . All the profit he has made selling all that beef over the last 20 years of which my tax money helped pay and his ranch and all the improvements.

Anybody wanna take a stab at how much 900 head of cattle is worth. This is just his breeding stock. He sells the calves every year this herd produces.

Somehow I feel a little like I'm being screwed from both ends.

naste.de.lumina
13th April 2014, 03:19
Perhaps this helps to clarify.


The government would like to make people believe that Bundy is breaking the law when in fact the BLM and EPA are the ones that have clearly stepped out of bounds. The Constitution Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 is very clear that the government cannot posses or own more than 10 square miles of any state and the state legislature and congress must approve of the transfer as well. The land cannot be used for anything but the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings.
“To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings”
No matter what the BLM and other agencies would like to make people believe, the government cannot and does not own this land. It is public property owned by the state of Nevada and Clark County in particular. The federal government has no jurisdiction of this land or any other land owned by any state. Article 8 of the constitution has never been repealed and any acts passed by the government that would try to make people think they have power over us to do anything they want is clearly unconstitutional. The US Constitution is the supreme law of the land and any act or law that might be passed by congress that goes against the Constitution is illegal and is null and void. It is as if the law were never a law at all so says the Constitution. It also does not matter if any court including the kangaroo court previously known as the Supreme Court makes any ruling against Bundy because the decisions they made are UNCONSTITUTIONAL. The courts are attempting to legislate from the bench and have no understanding of their oaths to support and defend it and would appear to not even know what it says. Since the orders of the courts are unconstitutional, their declaration that he owes grazing fees is also unconstitutional and cannot be enforced except by rouge agents that willingly refuse to uphold their oaths.

http://beforeitsnews.com/tea-party/2014/04/bundy-ranch-war-with-blm-update-video-2524836.html

ghostrider
13th April 2014, 03:32
This is about setting a precedence , if they can get away with this , they can just as easily come to your house , your land , your lake , and claim some bogus jargen , bring in armed men and choppers , and push you around , they are testing the water of resistance ... people uniting for freedom is very powerful , political leaders should take notice , the citizens are pissed at the entire federal agenda from top to bottom , it is anti- freedom , anti- American , anti-family , and anti- common sense ...

naste.de.lumina
13th April 2014, 04:49
Does BLM will say that the dead cattle during and subsequent capture committed suicide?

Paul
13th April 2014, 06:32
DWGVmqx3RVo
Infowars reporter David Knight breaks down what happened during the standoff between the coward BLM and the American Patriots.

Paul
13th April 2014, 09:30
You know this is just another tactic that will allow them to get their way in a few months time, at most.

That's all. It's just more games. No resolution whatsoever.


The US government want total control of Nevada and will stop at nothing in order to do just that, this is the start.

Haggman and Haggman agree. They posted this on SteveQuayle: To put it bluntly, the people are being hoodwinked into believing that the situation is being resolved. It is not. It is a strategic de-escalation to fool the public. (http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=877):

=================



Date: Saturday, 12 April 2014
Time: 1840 ET
To: Steve Quayle
From Doug Hagmann

At 1750 hours ET, I was contacted by my source within the Department of Homeland Security regarding the current situation at the Bundy Ranch. To put it bluntly, the people are being hoodwinked into believing that the situation is being resolved. It is not. It is a strategic de-escalation to fool the public. This source stated that the retreat of the BLM agents and the release of the cattle was actually crafted as a potential plan yesterday (Friday, 11 April 2014) based on the following:

1. A military assessment of satellite and drone surveillance imagery of the “patriot resistance. Drones under the control of the U.S. military were in use, taking real-time photographic images of not just the activity at the ranch, but "identifying the protesters, any arms and any supplies they might have or be carrying. “Mission accomplished.”
2. Real-time communication intercepts between patriots on-site and their off-site support;
3. Active monitoring of internet traffic regarding the coverage of events at ranch;
4. The monitoring of real-time video from the scene.

This source stated that a response by the patriot movement was anticipated, although exceeded their expectations. Although this was a real operation, they also ran this as a test case for future government operations once they saw the response. They were also actively managing the media, in some cases threatening to cut off White House access to anyone covering the event.

Despite this, the coverage by the alternative media began to create a public relations problem that was not easily managed. Note the lack of acknowledgment by the White House regarding this event. They are intentionally framing it as a state issue, despite the fact that all federal response has been and continues to be from the White House. There is a reason for this – a reason that has not been identified in any of the public reports to date. I will explain in further detail in a follow-up report on Sunday, after this source attends [redacted] to obtain more specific information about future federal operations. Regardless, according to this source, the government will take back ‘their land’ as they must to fulfill international obligations. It was never about grazing rights or anything other than (1) “securing clear title” to the land, and (2) further demonizing any patriotic resistance. It is my understanding, based on the information from this source, that it is a critical task to create a situation that will also advance their agenda of gun control and confiscation.

A more detailed report will follow on Sunday, 13 April 2014, with additional and much more specific information about their inside plans and future operations.PLEASE MAKE THIS VIRAL!
=================

My personal hunch is that Haggman is right; that this is about fulfilling international obligations. Those obligations will not go away.

13th Warrior
13th April 2014, 12:36
Bluefire,

Natural born souls have inherent rights that supersede the US constitution; which only innumerates some of these rights...

We the people own the land to which we are born, we are the benefactors. We the people have hired government to manage this land for our benefit; government agents/agency are our employees (trustees).

The government is allowed to make any rule(policy)it likes to govern it's employees. If you are an agent of the government then, you are subject to their policy and thus subject to their penalty for not complying with their policy.

Bluefire, when have you ever received compensation from the government for any fees/fines it had collected on your/our behalf?

blufire
13th April 2014, 14:59
Bluefire,

Natural born souls have inherent rights that supersede the US constitution; which only innumerates some of these rights...

We the people own the land to which we are born, we are the benefactors. We the people have hired government to manage this land for our benefit; government agents/agency are our employees (trustees).

The government is allowed to make any rule(policy)it likes to govern it's employees. If you are an agent of the government then, you are subject to their policy and thus subject to their penalty for not complying with their policy.

Bluefire, when have you ever received compensation from the government for any fees/fines it had collected on your/our behalf?

Well let me see . . . What have I received in return for my tax dollars I have paid whether state or federal:


• All the roads, highways and complete interstate transportation
• All the infrastructure with these road systems ie bridges, maintenance
• All the state and federal parks for our enjoyment
• Military that keeps us safe and from foreign invasion
• Local and state police forces who protect me from idiots and so I don’t have to deal with them
• Women and families who receive wic, food stamps and other subsidies (welfare) to help them with their babies or those who need help getting back on their feet
• Local food banks
• Local government (mayor council etc) to govern my little mountain town

Shall I go on? So yes I receive an incredible amount of benefit from the taxes I pay.

Sometimes I really don’t like at all what my taxes go to but that is part of the game isn’t it?

I give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.

And oh I forgot . . . my tax dollars go to the support of BLM so ranchers like Bundy can utilize the millions of acres for grazing their cattle. I benefit with the beef I may buy at the grocery store because these ranchers can raise grass fed beef on land that the buffalo used to roam.

Ranchers like Bundy only pay (well Bundy doesn’t) a ‘grazing fee’ and for the right to use these millions for acres and water sources . . . it is a huge incentive for ranchers because then their overhead is minimal . . . . they don’t have to buy hay, grain, or provide water sources for their cattle . . . my tax dollars provides this benefit to them. Beef prices are already soaring out of reach for most and I would hate to see what the price of beef would be without this government assistance to the ranchers

Bundy abused this resource. So from what I am seeing here with this thread is we should just let people like Bundy gain all the profit, not pay at all for the resources to feed and water his cattle?

Geez I tell you what, could we please set up a fund here on PA to help me feed and water my dairy cows? But hey! I am going to keep all the profit I get from selling their milk, butter and cream and their calves. And no! those of you who donate do not get any of these products for free mind you . . . you pay the same price as everyone else.

This is insane.

If you are going to get in bed with the government then you play by government rules.

There is no more America folks. Either you realize this now and learn to navigate the implementation of the NWO or you become an ingrained part of this new system. And this is exactly what I am seeing with this thread.

And by the way 13th warrior we do not OWN this land and yes we are the benefactors from this incredible ecosystem we call Mother Earth . . . but only from Her terms. I am the steward of this farm I live on and it is my responsibility that I live here in balance with the animals (wild and domestic) and that I maintain a sustained ecosystem.

13th Warrior
13th April 2014, 15:41
Bluefire,

That's just great; apparently you are more then satisfied with your tax burden to benefits ratio...

And, apparently cattle ranching is so profitable in Nevada where Bundy lives that, the 52 other ranchers in the area have gone out of business...

Jake
13th April 2014, 15:58
Bluefire,

Natural born souls have inherent rights that supersede the US constitution; which only innumerates some of these rights...

We the people own the land to which we are born, we are the benefactors. We the people have hired government to manage this land for our benefit; government agents/agency are our employees (trustees).

The government is allowed to make any rule(policy)it likes to govern it's employees. If you are an agent of the government then, you are subject to their policy and thus subject to their penalty for not complying with their policy.

Bluefire, when have you ever received compensation from the government for any fees/fines it had collected on your/our behalf?

Well let me see . . . What have I received in return for my tax dollars I have paid whether state or federal:


• All the roads, highways and complete interstate transportation
• All the infrastructure with these road systems ie bridges, maintenance
• All the state and federal parks for our enjoyment
• Military that keeps us safe and from foreign invasion
• Local and state police forces who protect me from idiots and so I don’t have to deal with them
• Women and families who receive wic, food stamps and other subsidies (welfare) to help them with their babies or those who need help getting back on their feet
• Local food banks
• Local government (mayor council etc) to govern my little mountain town

Shall I go on? So yes I receive an incredible amount of benefit from the taxes I pay.

Sometimes I really don’t like at all what my taxes go to but that is part of the game isn’t it?

I give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.

And oh I forgot . . . my tax dollars go to the support of BLM so ranchers like Bundy can utilize the millions of acres for grazing their cattle. I benefit with the beef I may buy at the grocery store because these ranchers can raise grass fed beef on land that the buffalo used to roam.

Ranchers like Bundy only pay (well Bundy doesn’t) a ‘grazing fee’ and for the right to use these millions for acres and water sources . . . it is a huge incentive for ranchers because then their overhead is minimal . . . . they don’t have to buy hay, grain, or provide water sources for their cattle . . . my tax dollars provides this benefit to them. Beef prices are already soaring out of reach for most and I would hate to see what the price of beef would be without this government assistance to the ranchers

Bundy abused this resource. So from what I am seeing here with this thread is we should just let people like Bundy gain all the profit, not pay at all for the resources to feed and water his cattle?

Geez I tell you what, could we please set up a fund here on PA to help me feed and water my dairy cows? But hey! I am going to keep all the profit I get from selling their milk, butter and cream and their calves. And no! those of you who donate do not get any of these products for free mind you . . . you pay the same price as everyone else.

This is insane.

If you are going to get in bed with the government then you play by government rules.

There is no more America folks. Either you realize this now and learn to navigate the implementation of the NWO or you become an ingrained part of this new system. And this is exactly what I am seeing with this thread.

And by the way 13th warrior we do not OWN this land and yes we are the benefactors from this incredible ecosystem we call Mother Earth . . . but only from Her terms. I am the steward of this farm I live on and it is my responsibility that I live here in balance with the animals (wild and domestic) and that I maintain a sustained ecosystem.

I do love your spirit and assessment of the situation. I do not agree, but I am appreciating your viewpoint. Thank you.

Every penny of your taxes goes to pay the debt.... Sorry...

This is not about grazing rights and cows... This is about taking Bundys land.. PERIOD... Grazing rights, tortoises, etc,,, it is a game. So in your mind,, the appropriate action of law abiding federal agencies is to send in mercenaries to steal property and kill people?? Kill them dead???? Wow! Maybe we should cut the feet off of jaywalkers,, or cut the hands off of shoplifters,,,

What is happening in Nevada is a gross over reaching of federal authority!!

Perhaps the government should battle Bundy in a COURT OF LAW!!! There is due process in our country,,, albeit, a bit broken...

Cliven Bundy has stated publicly that he does not have any sort of contract with the Government,, much less gets in bed with them!!!

How can you say that nobody owns the land,,, and at the same time,,, support the land grab??? I am sorry, but I agree with Bundy,,,, you can't charge me money for letting my cows graze on my land!!!

The folks who nurtured giant, roaming herds of Buffalo in this country,,, were routed out IN THE SAME EXACT WAY!!! Remove them from the lands,, or kill them,,,, either way, 'WE ARE GOING TO BUILD THE RAILROAD'. The Federal government is not protecting a damn thing here!!! It is the systematic theft of the land in Nevada, to make way for FRACKING..... ooh,,, now we all know how important FRACKING is!!! We must remove Bundy from his land so that we can poison it, and extract its blood!!!!

THIS ENTIRE CONTINENT WAS SIEZED IN A LAND GRAB!! (and the folks who lived here were innhihilated)


I can appreciate that you don't feel a bit sorry for Bundy.. In my opinion, this is not about Bundy.... This is about a government that is willing to destroy its own people for profit.... I will NOT stand for it.

Blufire,,, I would stand up for you if they came for your farm and your sustained ecosystem... Yes, I sure would!! :)

The reason that we are losing our rights in America is not because the government is taking them,,, it is because we are GIVING IT TO THEM FREELY!!!

Governments cannot guarantee rights... We blew it when we decided to give government the reigns... I stand up for you, you stand up for me... it is the only way that it can work... We cant say that we are sovereign people of a sovereign nation,,, and at the same time,,, let GOVERNMENT rule! it seems that We are not a nation of the people, BY the people. We are a nation OF the government,, BY the government...

If the cattle kings of old are to lose their lands and properties,, It should be because people are turning their backs on the cultivation of cattle as a food source, and the markets would no longer support their way of life...

We don't simply make up lies, and start stealing cattle and arresting people!!

Blufire,,, what would you do if they overstepped their authority with you?? Would you stand in the small '1st amendment zone' and protest??

I agree with your comment that nobody owns the land. Bravo...

If Bundy can't claim it,,, then neither can the government... it is that simple!!!

Thank you for the challenge.
Jake.

naste.de.lumina
13th April 2014, 16:30
I give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.

Caesar does not exist.

Some people who know that for some reason are frustrated that other people are showing that 'Ceaser' is actually an 'illusion'.

A 'mental bug control'.

Has been demonstrated in front of the media that the 'mental bug control' can be neutralized.

No fear, no control.

Now, for those who work for the 'bug mind control' (conscious or unconscious), the fear is just beginning.

There is no escape without paying the 'universal tax' also known as 'action and reaction'.

The 'physical death' is also not able to evade taxes to be paid based on the intentions and actions.

The real name of the game is: Responsibility and choices.

Naste.

Jake
13th April 2014, 16:50
Pretty cool vid from PressForTruth.ca .... Where is PETA??? :p:p


Stefan Molyneux: The government is protecting the tortoises by exploding nuclear bombs over Nevada.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mai80x7ZJ8w&feature=player_embedded

RunningDeer
13th April 2014, 16:54
Bundy Ranch: Fed Retreat was Psyop Next Wave Soon

From summary:

All of our lives are going to change in a drastic way, if this is true...

From Doug Hagmann

At 1750 hours ET, I was contacted by my source within the Department of Homeland Security regarding the current situation at the Bundy Ranch. To put it bluntly, the people are being hoodwinked into believing that the situation is being resolved. It is not. It is a strategic de-escalation to fool the public. This source stated that the retreat of the BLM agents and the release of the cattle was actually crafted as a potential plan yesterday (Friday, 11 April 2014) based on the following:

1. A military assessment of satellite and drone surveillance imagery of the "patriot resistance. Drones under the control of the U.S. military were in use, taking real-time photographic images of not just the activity at the ranch, but "identifying the protesters, any arms and any supplies they might have or be carrying. "Mission accomplished."

2. Real-time communication intercepts between patriots on-site and their off-site support;

3. Active monitoring of internet traffic regarding the coverage of events at ranch;

4. The monitoring of real-time video from the scene.


(continued below)


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This source stated that a response by the patriot movement was anticipated, although exceeded their expectations. Although this was a real operation, they also ran this as a test case for future government operations once they saw the response. They were also actively managing the media, in some cases threatening to cut off White House access to anyone covering the event.

Despite this, the coverage by the alternative media began to create a public relations problem that was not easily managed. Note the lack of acknowledgment by the White House regarding this event. They are intentionally framing it as a state issue, despite the fact that all federal response has been and continues to be from the White House. There is a reason for this -- a reason that has not been identified in any of the public reports to date.

I will explain in further detail in a follow-up report on Sunday, after this source attends [redacted] to obtain more specific information about future federal operations. Regardless, according to this source, the government will take back 'their land' as they must to fulfill international obligations. It was never about grazing rights or anything other than (1) "securing clear title" to the land, and (2) further demonizing any patriotic resistance. It is my understanding, based on the information from this source, that it is a critical task to create a situation that will also advance their agenda of gun control and confiscation.



A more detailed report will follow on Sunday, 13 April 2014, with additional and much more specific information about their inside plans and future operations.

Eram
13th April 2014, 17:09
That was one of the most inspiring, clarifying, unifying, super duper posts that I've read in a long time Jake (#103 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70325-Siege-at-the-Bundy-Ranch-...-Armed-invasion-of-American-s-land-...-by-the-US-Federal-Government.&p=822036&viewfull=1#post822036)).

Jake
13th April 2014, 17:16
Back in 2012, the New American reported that Harry Reid’s son, Rory Reid, was the chief representative for a Chinese energy firm planning to build a $5-billion solar plant on public land in Laughlin, Nevada.

And journalist Marcus Stern with Reuters also reported that Sen. Reid was heavily involved in the deal as well.

“[Reid] and his oldest son, Rory, are both involved in an effort by a Chinese energy giant, ENN Energy Group, to build a $5 billion solar farm and panel manufacturing plant in the southern Nevada desert,” he wrote. “Reid has been one of the project’s most prominent advocates, helping recruit the company during a 2011 trip to China and applying his political muscle on behalf of the project in Nevada.”

Full article can be found Here... (http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/)


China’s Lanzhou Haimo Technologies Co. announced that its subsidiary Haimo Oil & Gas LLC will buy a 14.29-percent stake in Houston-based Carrizo Oil & Gas's Niobrara shale oil and gas assets in Colorado for $27.5 million.

Under the terms of the deal, Lanzhou Haimo Technologies Co. will acquire roughly 6,000 acres, or about 210 square miles, of territory located primarily in Colorado’s Weld and Adams counties in as well as associated infrastructure, including oil and gas wells, according to a statement filed to the Shanghai Stock Exchange. Carrizo, which holds approximately 60,000 acres in the Niobrara basin, currently produces 1,850 barrels per day (bpd).

So, what is Beijing’s covertly cunning policy in making such a purchase?

To suck the Rockies’ hydrocarbon resources dry and ship them to China?


Full article can be found Here... (http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Chinas-Purchase-of-U.S.-Fracking-Company-will-give-it-Advanced-Technology.html)


Somehow, I feel that the hour is later than we realize...

Enjoy the show, folks,,,, this is not over!!!
Jake.

Paul
13th April 2014, 17:53
This is insane.
Madam, we've already established that. Now we are haggling about the price its whereabouts. (Tortured abuse of a Winston Churchill quote (http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/300099-churchill-madam-would-you-sleep-with-me-for-five-million).)


If you are going to get in bed with the government then you play by government rules.
We do have a God given right to haggle over the terms first.

naste.de.lumina
13th April 2014, 19:01
The Bundy Affair Is the Tip of the Iceberg To What’s Coming

By Dave Hodges - April 13, 2014.

The BLM has tucked their tail between their legs and run for cover. Sheriff Mack, the other sheriffs, various state legislators, Oathkeepers and average people who make up our militias personify the words courage, integrity and honor. May God bless and protect every brave soul who went to the aid of a beleaguered family. Our American heroes prevented another Ruby Ridge and Americans should forever be grateful to all who went to the aid of Cliven Bundy. America still has many great people who are worthy of the descriptive term, hero. Cliven Bundy has also demonstrated to the world what is means to be an American and stand up to tyranny and win. Like so many overreaching federal agencies, when confronted, they are cowards and they tuck their collective tails between their legs and run for cover.

They Will Be Back

As has been widely reported, the Chinese have paid $4.5 billion dollars to build a solar plant on the Bundy property. The Clark County (NV) Commissioners are on the hook for that money. This is why one of their minions threatened to send anyone traveling to the aid of Bundy home in a body bag. There is absolutely no way that the Bundy Affair is over.

Sometimes, our personal life experiences prepare us in ways which help us to understand an event in a manner that the general public will not see because the public does not have the experience. The events at Cliven Bundy’s property is something that I have lived through and I can see clearly what is happening and what is coming. This is much more than a land grab and a case of simple cronyism resulting in a land grab of the Bundy property. This kind of event has been happening and is happening as I write these words. Soon this kind of event will be commonplace.

Nearly all people reporting on this issue see it as a one-time resource grab involving Senator Harry Reid, his sons, the Clark County Commissioners and the Chinese government. The people reporting this are correct. However, this goes much, much further. Unfortunately, I have the experience to recognize this for what this is. Also, I have come across a Bureau of Land Management Policy Manual which spells out what is happening to Bundy and why.

I feel compelled to tell you at this point that my life was endangered when I exposed these connections in my neighborhood. While on the air with Annie DeRiso and Jim Marrs, the building I was in was shot at eight times. This event was recorded on the archives of the Republic Broadcasting Network. Additionally, a pair of men repeatedly tried to run me off the road one Saturday night approximately 6 miles from my home. The event was recorded from my 911 call which lasted 10 minutes, but the transcripts and recordings all disappeared. In both cases, law enforcement covered the crimes committed against me despite the fact that there were multiple witnesses to each event. Each event involved my revelations to the public about John McCain cronyism with the foreign owners of the Canamex Highway system and their plans to steal all property within my rural community. This is precisely why Cliven Bundy’s life is in danger. He is experiencing what I have lived through. You can bet your bottom dollar that the Bundy affair is just getting started and the following paragraphs will demonstrate why this is true.

The Arizona Coalition to Protect Personal Property Rights (ACPPR) vs. Sen. McCain’s Canamex Highway Forces

I live in rural Arizona approximately 20 miles north of metropolitan Phoenix and 20 miles south of Wickenburg, AZ. Over 10 years ago, 300 homeowners in our immediate area faced an undeclared de facto eminent domain action against us without so much as one dime being offered in compensation. My community responded to the challenge by forming the ACPPR and I was asked to be the spokesperson and I later became the director.

My sleepy, rural area had grand designs placed upon us by the forces behind the North American Union and in particular the Canamex Highway which was to connect Mexico with Canada. The highway was to run 8 miles to the west of my home which should not have been a threat to the globalist forces behind this transportation corridor. However, my area was slated as a Canamex international multimodal hub. This meant that 6 miles to the east of home a railway hub, a trucking depository and a small auxiliary airport left over from WW II was to be converted to a small airport to service the goods and services coming into this hub. My community was caught between the highway and the multimodal hub. To make things worse, my community also sits upon the largest underground water aquifer in Arizona known as the Hassayampa. The globalists needed our water to service the hub and they could not allow 300 homes to drain the reservoir. Therefore, the McCain forces convinced local politicians to legislate against us and strip us of all property rights in an attempt to force us out over a period of time without paying us for the loss of our homes.

Over an eight year period, I was able to convince several of our Maricopa County Commissioners and a good number of State Legislators as to what was truly happening to us. We were able to build a coalition and turn back the McCain group who was working on behalf of the foreign ownership of the Canamex. In short, they wanted our water and our land to build a monolithic infrastructure hub. My subsequent media appearances designed to expose this tyranny is what led me to do the broadcasting and writing that I do today.

More (http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/04/13/the-bundy-affair-is-the-tip-of-the-iceberg-to-whats-coming/)

blufire
13th April 2014, 19:24
One thing we REALLY need to get straight first about this whole brouhaha.

Bundy does not OWN this land. . . Never has!

His grandfather entered into a contract of 'preemptive rights' . . The grandfather purchased the'rights' to graze cattle on this government land.

No one is taking land from this man. Bundy lost his right to graze his herds on this land because he refuses to pay the grazing fees. He broke the contract his grandfather entered all those years ago.

I truly do not understand why no one else seems to get this one basic fact.

and YES! The government is using the ignorance of this poor man to take the grazing rights of all the ranchers and the alternative community is helping by escalating all this out of proportion.

We are our own worst enemy.

blufire
13th April 2014, 19:37
Look. The god awful truth finally struck this poor man. He has been to court several times over the past 20 years he has not been paying the grazing fees . . . He lost every time.

Now the hammer has fallen and he has lost the right to graze his large herd on these thousands of acres. The man out og stubbornness, pride and ego has ruined his own ability to feed and water his cattle.

The fact China has interest or government has alternatives now for this federal land is secondary. Bundy gave them the foothold they needed.

This is what i mean by being smarter and looking at these issues from the implementation of the New World Order.

We are in www3 now and have been several years.

Paul
13th April 2014, 19:40
One thing we REALLY need to get straight first about this whole brouhaha.

Bundy does not OWN this land. . . Never has!
That is a classical straw man (http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-a-straw-man-argument.htm) rhetorical fallacy.

No one with a clue ever claimed that he owned the land. Bundy, if I recall correctly, figures that Nevada owns the land, which is why he was willing to pay fees to the state.

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Look. The god awful truth finally struck this poor man. He has been to court several times over the past 20 years he has not been paying the grazing fees . . . He lost every time.
... so ... the god awful truth is to be found in the federal courts of the USA ?

Apparently you don't worship the same God that I do.

NancyV
13th April 2014, 19:44
One thing we REALLY need to get straight first about this whole brouhaha.

Bundy does not OWN this land. . . Never has!

His grandfather entered into a contract of 'preemptive rights' . . The grandfather purchased the'rights' to graze cattle on this government land.

No one is taking land from this man. Bundy lost his right to graze his herds on this land because he refuses to pay the grazing fees. He broke the contract his grandfather entered all those years ago.

I truly do not understand why no one else seems to get this one basic fact.

and YES! The government is using the ignorance of this poor man to take the grazing rights of all the ranchers and the alternative community is helping by escalating all this out of proportion.

We are our own worst enemy.
Actually those who think as you seem to be thinking are our "own worst enemy". You are entirely free to support the politicians and government thugs. Just remember that probably about 70-80% of the military and those who continue to fight for your freedoms will be fighting AGAINST the government when the SHTF, which means they will also be fighting against people who think as you do.

Rocky_Shorz
13th April 2014, 19:51
The Bundy Affair Is the Tip of the Iceberg To What’s Coming

By Dave Hodges - April 13, 2014.

The BLM has tucked their tail between their legs and run for cover. Sheriff Mack, the other sheriffs, various state legislators, Oathkeepers and average people who make up our militias personify the words courage, integrity and honor. May God bless and protect every brave soul who went to the aid of a beleaguered family. Our American heroes prevented another Ruby Ridge and Americans should forever be grateful to all who went to the aid of Cliven Bundy. America still has many great people who are worthy of the descriptive term, hero. Cliven Bundy has also demonstrated to the world what is means to be an American and stand up to tyranny and win. Like so many overreaching federal agencies, when confronted, they are cowards and they tuck their collective tails between their legs and run for cover.

They Will Be Back

As has been widely reported, the Chinese have paid $4.5 billion dollars to build a solar plant on the Bundy property. The Clark County (NV) Commissioners are on the hook for that money. This is why one of their minions threatened to send anyone traveling to the aid of Bundy home in a body bag. There is absolutely no way that the Bundy Affair is over.

Sometimes, our personal life experiences prepare us in ways which help us to understand an event in a manner that the general public will not see because the public does not have the experience. The events at Cliven Bundy’s property is something that I have lived through and I can see clearly what is happening and what is coming. This is much more than a land grab and a case of simple cronyism resulting in a land grab of the Bundy property. This kind of event has been happening and is happening as I write these words. Soon this kind of event will be commonplace.

Nearly all people reporting on this issue see it as a one-time resource grab involving Senator Harry Reid, his sons, the Clark County Commissioners and the Chinese government. The people reporting this are correct. However, this goes much, much further. Unfortunately, I have the experience to recognize this for what this is. Also, I have come across a Bureau of Land Management Policy Manual which spells out what is happening to Bundy and why.

I feel compelled to tell you at this point that my life was endangered when I exposed these connections in my neighborhood. While on the air with Annie DeRiso and Jim Marrs, the building I was in was shot at eight times. This event was recorded on the archives of the Republic Broadcasting Network. Additionally, a pair of men repeatedly tried to run me off the road one Saturday night approximately 6 miles from my home. The event was recorded from my 911 call which lasted 10 minutes, but the transcripts and recordings all disappeared. In both cases, law enforcement covered the crimes committed against me despite the fact that there were multiple witnesses to each event. Each event involved my revelations to the public about John McCain cronyism with the foreign owners of the Canamex Highway system and their plans to steal all property within my rural community. This is precisely why Cliven Bundy’s life is in danger. He is experiencing what I have lived through. You can bet your bottom dollar that the Bundy affair is just getting started and the following paragraphs will demonstrate why this is true.

The Arizona Coalition to Protect Personal Property Rights (ACPPR) vs. Sen. McCain’s Canamex Highway Forces

I live in rural Arizona approximately 20 miles north of metropolitan Phoenix and 20 miles south of Wickenburg, AZ. Over 10 years ago, 300 homeowners in our immediate area faced an undeclared de facto eminent domain action against us without so much as one dime being offered in compensation. My community responded to the challenge by forming the ACPPR and I was asked to be the spokesperson and I later became the director.

My sleepy, rural area had grand designs placed upon us by the forces behind the North American Union and in particular the Canamex Highway which was to connect Mexico with Canada. The highway was to run 8 miles to the west of my home which should not have been a threat to the globalist forces behind this transportation corridor. However, my area was slated as a Canamex international multimodal hub. This meant that 6 miles to the east of home a railway hub, a trucking depository and a small auxiliary airport left over from WW II was to be converted to a small airport to service the goods and services coming into this hub. My community was caught between the highway and the multimodal hub. To make things worse, my community also sits upon the largest underground water aquifer in Arizona known as the Hassayampa. The globalists needed our water to service the hub and they could not allow 300 homes to drain the reservoir. Therefore, the McCain forces convinced local politicians to legislate against us and strip us of all property rights in an attempt to force us out over a period of time without paying us for the loss of our homes.

Over an eight year period, I was able to convince several of our Maricopa County Commissioners and a good number of State Legislators as to what was truly happening to us. We were able to build a coalition and turn back the McCain group who was working on behalf of the foreign ownership of the Canamex. In short, they wanted our water and our land to build a monolithic infrastructure hub. My subsequent media appearances designed to expose this tyranny is what led me to do the broadcasting and writing that I do today.

More (http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/04/13/the-bundy-affair-is-the-tip-of-the-iceberg-to-whats-coming/)

don't let anyone fool you, this is about oil and all of these sources pointing at China are funded by oil men...

they are building a $5 Billion manufacturing plant in Laughlin, cattle don't have to move for solar, they graze underneath them...

why in the world is anyone upset from Avalon that someone wants to create clean energy?

if it is solar, allow him to stay and let his cattle droppings feed the turtles, it's actually a delicacy for desert turtles...

allow him to file bankruptcy to clear debt including the cattle taken, allow him to put fences in to keep his cattle isolated from important operations...

and then everyone step back to see who is being given rights to the land...

Solar or Oil and strip mining... or both...

Ben's Ninja's promised to bring clean energy in, I wonder who is trying to turn America against an investor wanting to give us clean energy?

that alone should bring to the light what this whole fiasko was created for...

but I caught Bush's hand in the cookie jar...

blufire
13th April 2014, 19:52
I am supporting no one here. Because this is insane from every angle.

No one is right in this Event.

This is a battle in a war that we have been in several years.

We are fighting this war EXACTLY how they want us to fight it.

Am i truly the only one that sees this??? !!!!

naste.de.lumina
13th April 2014, 20:01
Am i truly the only one that sees this??? !!!!

Your vision is the contradiction in person.

naste.de.lumina
13th April 2014, 20:05
don't let anyone fool you, this is about oil and all of these sources pointing at China are funded by oil men...

they are building a $5 Billion manufacturing plant in Laughlin, cattle don't have to move for solar, they graze underneath them...

why in the world is anyone upset from Avalon that someone wants to create clean energy?

if it is solar, allow him to stay and let his cattle droppings feed the turtles, it's actually a delicacy for desert turtles...

allow him to file bankruptcy to clear debt including the cattle taken, allow him to put fences in to keep his cattle isolated from important operations...

and then everyone step back to see who is being given rights to the land...

Solar or Oil and strip mining... or both...

Ben's Ninja's promised to bring clean energy in, I wonder who is trying to turn America against an investor wanting to give us clean energy?

that alone should bring to the light what this whole fiasko was created for...

but I caught Bush's hand in the cookie jar...

I am aware also that point my friend.

Thanks for reminding me.

Rocky_Shorz
13th April 2014, 20:05
I am supporting no one here. Because this is insane from every angle.

No one is right in this Event.

This is a battle in a war that we have been in several years.

We are fighting this war EXACTLY how they want us to fight it.

Am i truly the only one that sees this??? !!!!


seeing it, we're in the heart of the battle ever since they threw Charles at us...

it is a war those sleeping don't understand is being played, we know no one has noticed, but we're too busy making changes to bother waking them up...


every plan they move forward with is getting stopped...


do we need anyone else awake, if we are already accomplishing what we gathered for?


Hey Obama,

If you can pardon bankers and bail them out after raping America blind over the last 20 years without paying taxes, can't you at least forgive a lil ol Rancher named Bundy?

Jake
13th April 2014, 20:30
Bundy lost his right to graze his herds on this land because he refuses to pay the grazing fees. He broke the contract his grandfather entered all those years ago.

.

Interesting take on it... The BLM did not exist back then. It was created to help "monitor grazing areas" and "administer permits", MANY years later... I went to the BLM Website (http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en.html),, clicked on the tab that says "What we do." And did a bit of research... :)

Yep,, monitor grazing lands and administer permits... Nothing in there about stealing cattle, arresting people, tazing people, threatening people with automatic weapons,, etc... I was looking for the section on mercenaries and supporting the negotiation of public lands for sell to Chinese Fracking companies!! (yes, I said fracking,,, I don't believe for a second that any Chinese corporation would spend billions of dollars to provide clean energy to people in Nevada.. you cannot put solar energy in a barrel.) There was Nothing at all about why the BLM is above ALL other courts in the nation. Quite disappointing,,, as I can read the writing on the wall for myself. :)

Keep yer eyes on the ball...
Here (http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wo/Information_Resources_Management/policy/blm_manual.Par.71908.File.dat/1372.pdf) is a PDF of BLMs Collection policy. Not a single thing in there about Mercenaries and Cattle thieving,, can you believe that??


Jake.

Snowflower
13th April 2014, 20:43
Blufire, you are really confusing me. On the one hand, you acknowledge that we're in a war. You seem to acknowledge the position in that war in relation to the "new world order," which I presume you understand uses the federal govt. of the US in their weapons against the people. But, you don't seem to get it at all that the feds are attacking individuals in the process of taking everything from all of us. If you get it about the feds in relation to the NWO, and you get it that you're on one side and they are on the other, how can you possibly defend them for any reason whatsoever?

No, Bundy does not own the land. But the contract he had to graze his cattle there was established in 1870 and did not include the payment of a fee. His family - the same family, without cease - has functioned under that initial contract ever since and has never agreed to a different contract. The feds decided on their own - a unilateral contract without two parties - that he must now pay a fee to them for use of land his family had been using for more than 130 years. So, no, Bundy is not breaking a law. The feds broke the law.

But, as the prosecutor in my husband's case said to him when he complained about their perjury committed in the courtroom said, "We don't have to OBEY the law! We ARE the law!"

And that's pretty much that.

You're on one side or the other, blufire. It's a war. The corporations against the people of the world. Notice I did not say "governments" against the people. The corporations are using the governments. It is the corporations (and the people who own them) against the people of the world, and what is at stake is the continued survival of humanity on this planet.

Rocky_Shorz
13th April 2014, 20:48
Bundy lost his right to graze his herds on this land because he refuses to pay the grazing fees. He broke the contract his grandfather entered all those years ago.

.

Interesting take on it... The BLM did not exist back then. It was created to help "monitor grazing areas" and "administer permits", MANY years later... I went to the BLM Website (http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en.html),, clicked on the tab that says "What we do." And did a bit of research... :)

Yep,, monitor grazing lands and administer permits... Nothing in there about stealing cattle, arresting people, tazing people, threatening people with automatic weapons,, etc... I was looking for the section on mercenaries and supporting the negotiation of public lands for sell to Chinese Fracking companies!! (yes, I said fracking,,, I don't believe for a second that any Chinese corporation would spend billions of dollars to provide clean energy to people in Nevada.. you cannot put solar energy in a barrel.) There was Nothing at all about why the BLM is above ALL other courts in the nation. Quite disappointing,,, as I can read the writing on the wall for myself. :)

Keep yer eyes on the ball...
Here (http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wo/Information_Resources_Management/policy/blm_manual.Par.71908.File.dat/1372.pdf) is a PDF of BLMs Collection policy. Not a single thing in there about Mercenaries and Cattle thieving,, can you believe that??


Jake.

but then again...


New System Converts Sun’s Energy into Hydrogen Fuel

http://scitechdaily.com/images/Researchers-Develop-New-System-that-Converts-the-Suns-Energy-into-Hydrogen-Fuel.jpg


A new system designed by researchers at UNC and NC State converts the sun’s energy into hydrogen fuel and stores it for later use.

Solar energy has long been used as a clean alternative to fossil fuels such as coal and oil, but it could only be harnessed during the day when the sun’s rays were strongest. Now researchers led by Tom Meyer at the Energy Frontier Research Center at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill have built a system that converts the sun’s energy not into electricity but hydrogen fuel and stores it for later use, allowing us to power our devices long after the sun goes down.

“So called ‘solar fuels’ like hydrogen offer a solution to how to store energy for nighttime use by taking a cue from natural photosynthesis,” said Meyer, Arey Distinguished Professor of Chemistry at UNC’s College of Arts and Sciences. “Our new findings may provide a last major piece of a puzzle for a new way to store the sun’s energy – it could be a tipping point for a solar energy future.”

In one hour, the sun puts out enough energy to power every vehicle, factory and device on the planet for an entire year. Solar panels can harness that energy to generate electricity during the day. But the problem with the sun is that it goes down at night—and with it the ability to power our homes and cars. If solar energy is going to have a shot at being a clean source for powering the planet, scientists had to figure out how to store it for night-time use.

The new system designed by Meyer and colleagues at UNC and with Greg Parsons’ group at North Carolina State University does exactly that. It is known as a dye-sensitized photoelectrosynthesis cell, or DSPEC, and it generates hydrogen fuel by using the sun’s energy to split water into its component parts. After the split, hydrogen is sequestered and stored, while the byproduct, oxygen, is released into the air.

“But splitting water is extremely difficult to do,” said Meyer. “You need to take four electrons away from two water molecules, transfer them somewhere else, and make hydrogen, and, once you have done that, keep the hydrogen and oxygen separated. How to design molecules capable of doing that is a really big challenge that we’ve begun to overcome.”

Meyer had been investigating DSPECs for years at the Energy Frontier Research Center at UNC and before. His design has two basic components: a molecule and a nanoparticle. The molecule, called a chromophore-catalyst assembly, absorbs sunlight and then kick starts the catalyst to rip electrons away from water. The nanoparticle, to which thousands of chromophore-catalyst assemblies are tethered, is part of a film of nanoparticles that shuttles the electrons away to make the hydrogen fuel.

However, even with the best of attempts, the system always crashed because either the chromophore-catalyst assembly kept breaking away from the nanoparticles or because the electrons couldn’t be shuttled away quickly enough to make hydrogen.

To solve both of these problems, Meyer turned to the Parsons group to use a technique that coated the nanoparticle, atom by atom, with a thin layer of a material called titanium dioxide. By using ultra-thin layers, the researchers found that the nanoparticle could carry away electrons far more rapidly than before, with the freed electrons available to make hydrogen. They also figured out how to build a protective coating that keeps the chromophore-catalyst assembly tethered firmly to the nanoparticle, ensuring that the assembly stayed on the surface.

With electrons flowing freely through the nanoparticle and the tether stabilized, Meyer’s new system can turn the sun’s energy into fuel while needing almost no external power to operate and releasing no greenhouse gases. What’s more, the infrastructure to install these sunlight-to-fuel converters is in sight based on existing technology. A next target is to use the same approach to reduce carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, to a carbon-based fuel such as formate or methanol... http://scitechdaily.com/new-system-converts-suns-energy-hydrogen-fuel/

Billy
13th April 2014, 20:54
I give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.

If you are going to get in bed with the government then you play by government rules.

Am i truly the only one that sees this??? !!!!

Sadly no. You are not alone Bluefire, There are many more who are asleep and being played by those who believe they are in control.

peace.

Jake
13th April 2014, 20:57
Bundy lost his right to graze his herds on this land because he refuses to pay the grazing fees. He broke the contract his grandfather entered all those years ago.

.

Interesting take on it... The BLM did not exist back then. It was created to help "monitor grazing areas" and "administer permits", MANY years later... I went to the BLM Website (http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en.html),, clicked on the tab that says "What we do." And did a bit of research... :)

Yep,, monitor grazing lands and administer permits... Nothing in there about stealing cattle, arresting people, tazing people, threatening people with automatic weapons,, etc... I was looking for the section on mercenaries and supporting the negotiation of public lands for sell to Chinese Fracking companies!! (yes, I said fracking,,, I don't believe for a second that any Chinese corporation would spend billions of dollars to provide clean energy to people in Nevada.. you cannot put solar energy in a barrel.) There was Nothing at all about why the BLM is above ALL other courts in the nation. Quite disappointing,,, as I can read the writing on the wall for myself. :)

Keep yer eyes on the ball...
Here (http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wo/Information_Resources_Management/policy/blm_manual.Par.71908.File.dat/1372.pdf) is a PDF of BLMs Collection policy. Not a single thing in there about Mercenaries and Cattle thieving,, can you believe that??


Jake.

but then again...


New System Converts Sun’s Energy into Hydrogen Fuel

http://scitechdaily.com/images/Researchers-Develop-New-System-that-Converts-the-Suns-Energy-into-Hydrogen-Fuel.jpg


A new system designed by researchers at UNC and NC State converts the sun’s energy into hydrogen fuel and stores it for later use.

Solar energy has long been used as a clean alternative to fossil fuels such as coal and oil, but it could only be harnessed during the day when the sun’s rays were strongest. Now researchers led by Tom Meyer at the Energy Frontier Research Center at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill have built a system that converts the sun’s energy not into electricity but hydrogen fuel and stores it for later use, allowing us to power our devices long after the sun goes down.

“So called ‘solar fuels’ like hydrogen offer a solution to how to store energy for nighttime use by taking a cue from natural photosynthesis,” said Meyer, Arey Distinguished Professor of Chemistry at UNC’s College of Arts and Sciences. “Our new findings may provide a last major piece of a puzzle for a new way to store the sun’s energy – it could be a tipping point for a solar energy future.”

In one hour, the sun puts out enough energy to power every vehicle, factory and device on the planet for an entire year. Solar panels can harness that energy to generate electricity during the day. But the problem with the sun is that it goes down at night—and with it the ability to power our homes and cars. If solar energy is going to have a shot at being a clean source for powering the planet, scientists had to figure out how to store it for night-time use.

The new system designed by Meyer and colleagues at UNC and with Greg Parsons’ group at North Carolina State University does exactly that. It is known as a dye-sensitized photoelectrosynthesis cell, or DSPEC, and it generates hydrogen fuel by using the sun’s energy to split water into its component parts. After the split, hydrogen is sequestered and stored, while the byproduct, oxygen, is released into the air.

“But splitting water is extremely difficult to do,” said Meyer. “You need to take four electrons away from two water molecules, transfer them somewhere else, and make hydrogen, and, once you have done that, keep the hydrogen and oxygen separated. How to design molecules capable of doing that is a really big challenge that we’ve begun to overcome.”

Meyer had been investigating DSPECs for years at the Energy Frontier Research Center at UNC and before. His design has two basic components: a molecule and a nanoparticle. The molecule, called a chromophore-catalyst assembly, absorbs sunlight and then kick starts the catalyst to rip electrons away from water. The nanoparticle, to which thousands of chromophore-catalyst assemblies are tethered, is part of a film of nanoparticles that shuttles the electrons away to make the hydrogen fuel.

However, even with the best of attempts, the system always crashed because either the chromophore-catalyst assembly kept breaking away from the nanoparticles or because the electrons couldn’t be shuttled away quickly enough to make hydrogen.

To solve both of these problems, Meyer turned to the Parsons group to use a technique that coated the nanoparticle, atom by atom, with a thin layer of a material called titanium dioxide. By using ultra-thin layers, the researchers found that the nanoparticle could carry away electrons far more rapidly than before, with the freed electrons available to make hydrogen. They also figured out how to build a protective coating that keeps the chromophore-catalyst assembly tethered firmly to the nanoparticle, ensuring that the assembly stayed on the surface.

With electrons flowing freely through the nanoparticle and the tether stabilized, Meyer’s new system can turn the sun’s energy into fuel while needing almost no external power to operate and releasing no greenhouse gases. What’s more, the infrastructure to install these sunlight-to-fuel converters is in sight based on existing technology. A next target is to use the same approach to reduce carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, to a carbon-based fuel such as formate or methanol... http://scitechdaily.com/new-system-converts-suns-energy-hydrogen-fuel/

I am not discounting the technology,, I am merely refusing to believe that a Chinese company (ie, the Chinese Gv't) would invest a dime in providing energy to Americans. Not for Nevadans, not for a return of American dollars,, not ever. If they were to invest in Solar energy,, why would they do it in Nevada, and not their own back yard?? If anything, large fields of solar panels would be the perfect front for the Shale mining/Fracking,, that is going on elsewhere in that area of America. Who's to say that they don't frack underneath the solar energy project?? I am just guessing now,, my red flags are up!!

Thx for the link.
Jake.

13th Warrior
13th April 2014, 21:00
Bluefire, you are hung up on this notion of a binding contract. Bundy says his contract was with the state of Nevada (people of Nevada) not the federal government. Contracts can be nullified for many reasons. Further more the BLM has used a fraudulent argument for means of cattle removal (endangered species).

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This so called solar farm is most likely a trojan horse for a land grab.

Paul
13th April 2014, 21:02
I am not discounting the technology,, I am merely refusing to believe that a Chinese company (ie, the Chinese Gv't) would invest a dime in providing energy to Americans.
Perhaps for the same reason that so many dictators put into power by American intelligence agencies end up contracting for vast arsenals of advanced military equipment (and putting their nations deeply into debt as a result.)

It's what we make :).

US Defense contractors make that advanced equipment, and make a pretty penny selling it, for money lent to "customers" far and wide by US Banksters.

China has a near monopoly on solar panels and on the rare earth minerals required to make them.

Rocky_Shorz
13th April 2014, 21:06
well how much does electricity cost in America vs China?

maybe selling bulk clean energy to us is a better profit than in China, an enormous power grid is already in place in Nevada, sun is outrageous in the summer, panels with a 30 year guarantee, toast in 10 years.

that's where creating Hydrogen for almost free comes into place and can more or less be sold by the barrel without the quakes...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZEiQ8-vf1Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHnoEDxelBw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi9tiJVtVLU

American companies are too afraid of upsetting their Republican Oil Cartel friends, so why not let the Chinese step forward to do it for us?

what's safer?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9Zfpuq27JU

Paul
13th April 2014, 21:09
I am not discounting the technology,, I am merely refusing to believe that a Chinese company (ie, the Chinese Gv't) would invest a dime in providing energy to Americans. Not for Nevadans, not for a return of American dollars,, not ever.
China is investing a huge amount of money in countries around the world, including in the US.

They are doing so not to gain US Dollars, but to divest of them, in exchange for resource supply lines and "customers" for goods China manufactures from those resources.

Paul
13th April 2014, 21:25
I am not discounting the technology,, I am merely refusing to believe that a Chinese company (ie, the Chinese Gv't) would invest a dime in providing energy to Americans. Not for Nevadans, not for a return of American dollars,, not ever.

The "Wal-Mart" customer base is no longer a growth opportunity in the US, as our domestic economy collapses, but the government customer base is alive and kicking, and can apparently easily be extorted into

abandoning competing mining operations
divesting of America's gold hoard (and anyone else's gold hoard that had been - past tense - stashed in America), and
taking total control of most of the land in the Western states for such things as Chinese solar panel farms.

I am not claiming that the Chinese people or their publicly visible government are any smarter than Americans or the US government (well, maybe a little smarter -- hard to be that dumb.)

I am claiming that someone or ones of substantial power on this planet have been working diligently on moving earth's manufacturing base from the US to the Orient, for several decades now.

When I see a jujitsu master (the most powerful on earth) get a sumo wrestler (the world's economic engine) to shift his weight from his left leg (the US) to his right leg (the Orient), I suspect that the jujitsu wrestler is not doing this out of some great fondness for right legs. Rather I suspect the master intends to control the sumo wrestler.

With the leaks that are coming out with increasing frequency of black-ops "beyond conventional physics" technology, I suspect further that these masters are working to control earth sufficiently that they can make more overt use of this physics and the technology it enables, for some ulterior purpose, likely out in space, without having a bunch of warring nations use it to blow up the damn planet.

Paul
13th April 2014, 21:35
With the leaks that are coming out with increasing frequency of black-ops "beyond conventional physics" technology, I suspect further that these masters are working to control earth sufficiently that they can make more overt use of this physics and the technology it enables, for some ulterior purpose, likely out in space, without having a bunch of warring nations use it to blow up the damn planet.
I should give credit where it is due - to Joseph P. Farrell (http://gizadeathstar.com/2013/04/secret-space-program-anyone-nasa-wants-to-move-and-mine-asteroids/) and Catherine Austin Fitts (http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2014/04/RIR-140411.php), for this observation.

Jake
13th April 2014, 21:44
I must admit that my knowledge is limited regarding Chinese investment strategies! :( I will have to take it all in..

So for the context of this discussion,, Perhaps It does not matter either way the motives of the Chinese investing in these projects,, it matters the negotiating of public lands out from under Americans, so that government and/or politicians can render a profit.

There are also some things that I don't understand about grazing rights. My understanding that the grazing rights exist regardless of a lawful permit. The grazing fees were implemented to pay the costs of the BLM, which in turn would help the ranchers with the management of the PUBLIC lands. Not FEDERAL lands,,, PUBLIC lands. If the grazing fees/permits were not paid,, it was an issue for the courts to decide.,, Not the politicians,, (who are perfectly willing to sell PUBLIC assets to the highest bidder...) and definitely not the BLM!!!

Much of this issue has to do with the ambiguous nature of the question of wether or not it is FEDERAL land or PUBLIC land... and who is making the decisions for the People who own their own ranching land, outright! Public land grazing rights in Nevada can be bought and sold, as long as the BLM is involved. So the grazing rights ARE a legal property,, regardless of wether or not they allude to a SPECIFIC piece of land... It is similar to owning water rights. You cannot own a specific piece of water, so you own rights to it!!!

My point is that if I do not pay the taxes on my water rights,, I am fined by the appropriate court and if I continue to refuse to pay,, my water rights are taken away from me,,, They do not come into my home, arrest my son, confiscate my sink and plumbing,, taze my wife,,, and tell me that if I have something to say,, go stand in the orange circle!!!!

Again, there is due process in America,,, err,, somewhat!!!

Jake.

SPIRIT WOLF
13th April 2014, 21:58
Maybe those few words I told Kerry Cassidy in May 2011 in the interview about China overtaking the US as THE superpower, keep that in mind as we move along guys

Paul
13th April 2014, 23:22
A cool video of the final moments of the standoff at Bundy Ranch:
JxZEOs-Nzjk
Click this link to start at 2:53, showing the BLM thugs marching backwards: http://youtu.be/JxZEOs-Nzjk?t=2m53s

Click this link to start at 3:42, showing the men on horseback leading the rescued livestock out from captivity: http://youtu.be/JxZEOs-Nzjk?t=3m42s

Rocky_Shorz
14th April 2014, 00:06
I must admit that my knowledge is limited regarding Chinese investment strategies! :( I will have to take it all in..

So for the context of this discussion,, Perhaps It does not matter either way the motives of the Chinese investing in these projects,, it matters the negotiating of public lands out from under Americans, so that government and/or politicians can render a profit.

There are also some things that I don't understand about grazing rights. My understanding that the grazing rights exist regardless of a lawful permit. The grazing fees were implemented to pay the costs of the BLM, which in turn would help the ranchers with the management of the PUBLIC lands. Not FEDERAL lands,,, PUBLIC lands. If the grazing fees/permits were not paid,, it was an issue for the courts to decide.,, Not the politicians,, (who are perfectly willing to sell PUBLIC assets to the highest bidder...) and definitely not the BLM!!!

Much of this issue has to do with the ambiguous nature of the question of wether or not it is FEDERAL land or PUBLIC land... and who is making the decisions for the People who own their own ranching land, outright! Public land grazing rights in Nevada can be bought and sold, as long as the BLM is involved. So the grazing rights ARE a legal property,, regardless of wether or not they allude to a SPECIFIC piece of land... It is similar to owning water rights. You cannot own a specific piece of water, so you own rights to it!!!

My point is that if I do not pay the taxes on my water rights,, I am fined by the appropriate court and if I continue to refuse to pay,, my water rights are taken away from me,,, They do not come into my home, arrest my son, confiscate my sink and plumbing,, taze my wife,,, and tell me that if I have something to say,, go stand in the orange circle!!!!

Again, there is due process in America,,, err,, somewhat!!!

Jake.

he tried court and lost twice over the last 20 years...

and for those of you still jumping up and down yelling at China, they pulled out of the deal in June 2013 according to a Laughlin paper where the plant was being built...

not about China or Solar people...

From The Las Vegas Sun (June 14, 2013) (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2013/jun/14/company-dumps-big-laughlin-solar-project-says-mark/):



A Chinese-backed company is pulling the plug on a multibillion-dollar solar project near Laughlin after it was unable to find customers for the power that would have been generated there, a Clark County spokesman said Friday.

From Clark County, Nevada News Release (June 14, 2013) (http://www.clarkcountynv.gov/news/Pages/CountytoRevisitEconomicDevelopment.aspx):



LAUGHLIN -- ENN Mojave Energy representatives informed Clark County officials today that they could not obtain power purchase agreements with utility companies within necessary contract deadlines, thus triggering an automatic termination of an agreement to create a solar power generation, manufacturing and research facility on 9,000 acres in southern Clark County.


If you want to get Mad at Reid, it should be that he didn't have enough balls to stand up to power companies and demand they buy cheap clean energy to support a thousand jobs in Nevada...

T Smith
14th April 2014, 00:57
Bundy lost his right to graze his herds on this land because he refuses to pay the grazing fees. He broke the contract his grandfather entered all those years ago.

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Interesting take on it... The BLM did not exist back then. It was created to help "monitor grazing areas" and "administer permits", MANY years later... I went to the BLM Website (http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en.html),, clicked on the tab that says "What we do." And did a bit of research... :)

Yep,, monitor grazing lands and administer permits... Nothing in there about stealing cattle, arresting people, tazing people, threatening people with automatic weapons,, etc... I was looking for the section on mercenaries and supporting the negotiation of public lands for sell to Chinese Fracking companies!! (yes, I said fracking,,, I don't believe for a second that any Chinese corporation would spend billions of dollars to provide clean energy to people in Nevada.. you cannot put solar energy in a barrel.) There was Nothing at all about why the BLM is above ALL other courts in the nation. Quite disappointing,,, as I can read the writing on the wall for myself. :)

Keep yer eyes on the ball...
Here (http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wo/Information_Resources_Management/policy/blm_manual.Par.71908.File.dat/1372.pdf) is a PDF of BLMs Collection policy. Not a single thing in there about Mercenaries and Cattle thieving,, can you believe that??


Jake.

but then again...


New System Converts Sun’s Energy into Hydrogen Fuel

http://scitechdaily.com/images/Researchers-Develop-New-System-that-Converts-the-Suns-Energy-into-Hydrogen-Fuel.jpg


A new system designed by researchers at UNC and NC State converts the sun’s energy into hydrogen fuel and stores it for later use.

Solar energy has long been used as a clean alternative to fossil fuels such as coal and oil, but it could only be harnessed during the day when the sun’s rays were strongest. Now researchers led by Tom Meyer at the Energy Frontier Research Center at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill have built a system that converts the sun’s energy not into electricity but hydrogen fuel and stores it for later use, allowing us to power our devices long after the sun goes down.

“So called ‘solar fuels’ like hydrogen offer a solution to how to store energy for nighttime use by taking a cue from natural photosynthesis,” said Meyer, Arey Distinguished Professor of Chemistry at UNC’s College of Arts and Sciences. “Our new findings may provide a last major piece of a puzzle for a new way to store the sun’s energy – it could be a tipping point for a solar energy future.”

In one hour, the sun puts out enough energy to power every vehicle, factory and device on the planet for an entire year. Solar panels can harness that energy to generate electricity during the day. But the problem with the sun is that it goes down at night—and with it the ability to power our homes and cars. If solar energy is going to have a shot at being a clean source for powering the planet, scientists had to figure out how to store it for night-time use.

The new system designed by Meyer and colleagues at UNC and with Greg Parsons’ group at North Carolina State University does exactly that. It is known as a dye-sensitized photoelectrosynthesis cell, or DSPEC, and it generates hydrogen fuel by using the sun’s energy to split water into its component parts. After the split, hydrogen is sequestered and stored, while the byproduct, oxygen, is released into the air.

“But splitting water is extremely difficult to do,” said Meyer. “You need to take four electrons away from two water molecules, transfer them somewhere else, and make hydrogen, and, once you have done that, keep the hydrogen and oxygen separated. How to design molecules capable of doing that is a really big challenge that we’ve begun to overcome.”

Meyer had been investigating DSPECs for years at the Energy Frontier Research Center at UNC and before. His design has two basic components: a molecule and a nanoparticle. The molecule, called a chromophore-catalyst assembly, absorbs sunlight and then kick starts the catalyst to rip electrons away from water. The nanoparticle, to which thousands of chromophore-catalyst assemblies are tethered, is part of a film of nanoparticles that shuttles the electrons away to make the hydrogen fuel.

However, even with the best of attempts, the system always crashed because either the chromophore-catalyst assembly kept breaking away from the nanoparticles or because the electrons couldn’t be shuttled away quickly enough to make hydrogen.

To solve both of these problems, Meyer turned to the Parsons group to use a technique that coated the nanoparticle, atom by atom, with a thin layer of a material called titanium dioxide. By using ultra-thin layers, the researchers found that the nanoparticle could carry away electrons far more rapidly than before, with the freed electrons available to make hydrogen. They also figured out how to build a protective coating that keeps the chromophore-catalyst assembly tethered firmly to the nanoparticle, ensuring that the assembly stayed on the surface.

With electrons flowing freely through the nanoparticle and the tether stabilized, Meyer’s new system can turn the sun’s energy into fuel while needing almost no external power to operate and releasing no greenhouse gases. What’s more, the infrastructure to install these sunlight-to-fuel converters is in sight based on existing technology. A next target is to use the same approach to reduce carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, to a carbon-based fuel such as formate or methanol... http://scitechdaily.com/new-system-converts-suns-energy-hydrogen-fuel/

I am not discounting the technology,, I am merely refusing to believe that a Chinese company (ie, the Chinese Gv't) would invest a dime in providing energy to Americans. Not for Nevadans, not for a return of American dollars,, not ever. If they were to invest in Solar energy,, why would they do it in Nevada, and not their own back yard?? If anything, large fields of solar panels would be the perfect front for the Shale mining/Fracking,, that is going on elsewhere in that area of America. Who's to say that they don't frack underneath the solar energy project?? I am just guessing now,, my red flags are up!!

Thx for the link.
Jake.

Chinese investment in "real things" is also indicative of their renewed (perhaps somewhat stealth) policy of de-investing away from the dollar. Yes, they could invest in solar in their own their back yard, but the objective is to buy up "real" things with their excess dollars as they slowly move away from Treasury bonds. This isn't for energy for Americans; this is for investment in a post-American world. This is exactly what I would do if I were the Chinese government; I would back away from Treasury purchases as one who slowly backs away from a wild animal. Not too fast, but with measured resolve. I would buy all the gold and silver I could, plus invest or purchase anything of real value with any excess $s that might provide power and leverage in the new global NWO economy, post collapse. All the major powers are competing now for leverage in this post-petrodollar economy; the power structure of this new world is crystalizing as we speak. If this new global economy were analogous to a Settlers of Catan game, the Chinese are simply laying stake on all they can while their excess dollars still have value.

Jake
14th April 2014, 01:02
he tried court and lost twice over the last 20 years...

and for those of you still jumping up and down yelling at China, they pulled out of the deal in June 2013 according to a Laughlin paper where the plant was being built...

not about China or Solar people...

From The Las Vegas Sun (June 14, 2013) (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2013/jun/14/company-dumps-big-laughlin-solar-project-says-mark/):



A Chinese-backed company is pulling the plug on a multibillion-dollar solar project near Laughlin after it was unable to find customers for the power that would have been generated there, a Clark County spokesman said Friday.

From Clark County, Nevada News Release (June 14, 2013) (http://www.clarkcountynv.gov/news/Pages/CountytoRevisitEconomicDevelopment.aspx):



LAUGHLIN -- ENN Mojave Energy representatives informed Clark County officials today that they could not obtain power purchase agreements with utility companies within necessary contract deadlines, thus triggering an automatic termination of an agreement to create a solar power generation, manufacturing and research facility on 9,000 acres in southern Clark County.


If you want to get Mad at Reid, it should be that he didn't have enough balls to stand up to power companies and demand they buy cheap clean energy to support a thousand jobs in Nevada...

Hey, Rock! :) With much respect, please link your quote,, I'd love to see who said what/when/why/how,, on this one! [ Mod-edit: Links added. -- Paul. ] I am seriously considering that whoever is negotiating the sellout of PUBLIC lands in Nevada (and many other places) do not care who is financially backing the project(s)!! Either way, it seems that the heat is still ON, in Nevada, when it comes to getting this cattle rancher off of public lands...

First of all, i have not seen details as to the court cases that He brought,, if any... I do not believe that the onus is on him to prove anything.. It is the BLMs responsibility to respond with COURT OF LAW for a dispute over unpaid fees. If it is all because of turtles, then show it in a court of law,,, if it about unpaid fees,, show it in a court of law,, !! I don't see the problem! These are PUBLIC LANDS...

Rock,, I'd love to see PUBLIC lands designated for clean energy projects that create jobs for folks in Nevada. You bet yer arsse!!! :) :yield: I am all for it. As it turns out,, that is not the plan, is it?? :( They are being sold out from under us!

Jake

Rocky_Shorz
14th April 2014, 01:13
he owes over a million hasn't made a payment in over 20 years, I guess this is a foreclosure because he wanted to make a statement...

to create this scene, cost far more than the cattle's worth, maybe they detected an ET ship under the surface and they decided it's time for Area 52...

Paul
14th April 2014, 01:38
he owes over a million hasn't made a payment in over 20 years
That's what the Feds say Bundy owes. Needless to say, Bundy doesn't agree :).

Rocky_Shorz
14th April 2014, 01:49
still looking for the original quotes, I'll toss a little in on the project as I go... Back in 2012...


Reid, D-Nev., indicated there have been overtures to gauge NV Energy's interest in buying power from the Laughlin venture. He characterized NV Energy's response as "weak excuses," including what he described as the utility's doubts that the Nevada Public Utilities Commission would approve the purchase.

"NV Energy is a regulated monopoly," Reid said. "They control 95 percent of all the electricity that is produced in Nevada and they should go along with this."

Responding to Reid, an NV Energy spokeswoman said the utility is not in the market for more renewable energy at this time, having exceeded the state's requirement that 15 percent of its portfolio originate from clean sources.

The company does not plan to issue new requests for power until 2014 and 2015, and will do so through competitive bidding, said Jennifer Schuricht.

"NV Energy would certainly welcome a bid from ENN when we issue the next RFP (request for proposals), and their success, like all other projects, would be dependent on the benefits, especially price, that they can demonstrate for the customers of NV Energy," Schuricht said in a statement.

That might be too late for ENN. According to Bloomberg Businessweek, the company's land deal with Clark County would be voided if it can't find a power customer by next June... link (http://www.reviewjournal.com/business/energy/reid-pressures-nv-energy-back-laughlin-solar-project)

here it is...


A Chinese-backed company is pulling the plug on a multibillion-dollar solar project near Laughlin after it was unable to find customers for the power that would have been generated there, a Clark County spokesman said Friday.

In a letter dated Friday, an executive from ENN Mojave Energy LLC informed the county that the company was terminating its agreement to purchase 9,000 acres near Laughlin, stating that the “market will not support a project of this scale and nature at this time.”

The company, a subsidiary of ENN Group, described as the largest energy company in China, said it was unable to sign the necessary power purchase agreements to sell the energy generated from the solar plant to utilities in Nevada or neighboring states.

When the plan was initially pitched to commissioners, developers said they planned to first build a solar panel factory followed by a massive solar energy plant on land 90 miles south of Las Vegas... link (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2013/jun/14/company-dumps-big-laughlin-solar-project-says-mark/)

Bundy Ranch is 80 miles north east from Vegas...

as the crow flies, 150 miles from the proposed project...

who is the first person that broadcast to the tea party the ranch was being taken by Reid for this project?

find that shill and we might get closer to who is behind creation of a civil war...

Paul
14th April 2014, 01:54
I am seriously considering that whoever is negotiating the sellout of PUBLIC lands in Nevada (and many other places) do not care who is financially backing the project(s)!! Either way, it seems that the heat is still ON, in Nevada, when it comes to getting this cattle rancher off of public lands...
Despite all my discussions of Chinese solar panels above, I actually have no real clue whether that's part of what's currently going down in Clark County, Nevada, or not. I was just figuring that it could be part.

What I am convinced of (though like many things, something I might see entirely differently in another ten years) is that the US Federal government (including its courts, legislatures and administration, so I don't put much stock in law nor in court case here) are grabbing control of as much land as they can, especially in the Western half of the US. I recall some case (details long passed from my conscious brain) where President Bill Clinton did a US Federal grab of a bunch of Utah land with high quality coal reserves on it, back in the 1990's. (P.S. Here it is - the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument (http://www.laissez-fairerepublic.com/indocoal.htm), set aside (er, grabbed) by Clinton in 1996.) This Federal land grab has been going on for a while, and they don't like uninvited guests on "their" land.

Here's a map of US Federal lands as of 2005. The red areas in the west are closely correlated with the mountainous or arid regions with low population density, such as the Rocky Mountains.

http://thepythoniccow.us/Map_of_all_U.S._Federal_Land.jpg
Click here (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Map_of_all_U.S._Federal_Land.jpg) to see the original, high resolution, Wikipedia image.

Paul
14th April 2014, 02:02
Bundy Ranch is 80 miles north east from Vegas...

as the crow flies, 150 miles from the proposed project...

who is the first person that broadcast to the tea party the ranch was being taken by Reid for this project?

find that shill and we might get closer to who is behind creation of a civil war...

As I recall posting earlier in this thread, yes, the Bundy Ranch is a long ways from the (apparently failed) Laughlin solar project.

However there are Solar Energy Zones (SEZ) where large solar array farms are or were planned, much closer to the Bundy Ranch.

So far as I know, the first "shill" to broadcast this was Alex Jones. Also as I posted earlier in this thread (here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70325-Siege-at-the-Bundy-Ranch-...-Armed-invasion-of-American-s-land-...-by-the-US-Federal-Government.&p=821561&viewfull=1#post821561)), I found Alex Jones message contradictory:
On the one hand, he bemoans the risk that one of these militia will start shooting, while on the other hand much of what he\'s saying (well, shouting) is exactly the sort of flame bait that can
be counted on to energize such militia ... raging against (in the sort of terms that Alex might use) the murdering, thieving, lying, crime lords in the Senate, the rich but evil Chinese,
and the overbearing, land grabbing, gun stealing, torturer of women and cows, Federal government.

Rocky_Shorz
14th April 2014, 02:03
http://thepythoniccow.us/Map_of_all_U.S._Federal_Land.jpg
Click here (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Map_of_all_U.S._Federal_Land.jpg) to see the original, high resolution, Wikipedia image.
http://www.geoscapenursery.com/US_Average_Precipitation.gif

Solar hour map, the bottom corner of Nevada - Laughlin area is in the highest level in the US

http://www.getsolar.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/solar-us-map-kw-output.png

http://www.eia.gov/oil_gas/rpd/northamer_gas.jpg

Paul
14th April 2014, 02:12
Nice maps, Rocky.

What do you see in them ?

:)

Rocky_Shorz
14th April 2014, 02:15
Hey Paul,

did you know this is going on with BLM in Texas too


While the eyes of the nation are focused upon the rural Nevada town of Bunkerville and the Bundy Ranch, another significant land grab is underway in the other half of the country. While less physically confrontational at present, government oppression is none the less at the root of a dispute on the border between Oklahoma and Texas. It’s an on-going process, following the migration of the Red River, which the feds define differently dependent upon their their “needs.”

Tommy Henderson lost a lawsuit thirty years ago and with it 140 acres of his ranchland. The BLM victory resulted in the Oklahoma/Texas border being redrawn a mile to the south of where it had previously been.

Henderson received nothing in exchange for his land. Not one cent, and the BLM is back for more. This time they’ve got their eyes on roughly 90,000 acres. And they are employing similar tactics to what won for them in the eighties.

BLM seeks to use the previous lawsuit as precedent in their attempt to steal land along a 116 mile stretch of the Red River. The natural migration of the Red River is at the heart of the dispute and the opportunity being seized upon by the Feds.

BLM is making a claim that the land never belonged to Texas, which the landowners vehemently dispute... link (http://gopthedailydose.com/2014/04/11/not-just-nevada-blm-land-grabbing-90000-deeded-acres-in-texas-too/)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sAbiO0SThQ

Paul
14th April 2014, 02:40
Hey Paul,

did you know this is going on with BLM in Texas too
I have not been following that one ... interesting.

Having a state boundary defined by the Red River is a problem in the making. That river moves around.

What I don't see, right off, is why the Federal BLM gets the land if the river moves. I'd have thought at worst that the land would move between Texas and Oklahoma, and between the two citizens owning the land on either side of the river, as it snaked and shifted.

(Well, duh, of course the land becomes the Feds - they have bigger guns.)

Rocky_Shorz
14th April 2014, 03:05
1000 militia took off for Nevada from Texas to save the world from Democrats...

has Texas tared and feathered calling for impeachment of the Governor of the state yet? What's that Democrat's name, isn't it Cruz? :pound:


sorry if I sound a little nuts, but I'm reading all the tweets coming out of Bundy Ranch and I think every lunatic with a shotgun, pickup and cell phone are enjoying their moment in the spotlight...

Paul
14th April 2014, 03:13
1000 militia took off for Nevada from Texas to save the world from Democrats...

has Texas tared and feathered calling for impeachment of the Governor of the state yet? What's that Democrat's name, isn't it Cruz? :pound:
John Cornyn and Ted Cruz are the two Republican senators from Texas, and Rick Perry is the Republican governor of the state of Texas.

Rocky_Shorz
14th April 2014, 03:28
I'm watching tweets out of Texas, they are saying it's Reid's fault there too...


... p2...

""@mrford0: Crazy commie named #RonaldReagan imposed Grazing Fees by Executive Order! #BundyRanch http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1986/21486b.htm …"#p2 #ocra #tcot #BLM"

gripreaper
14th April 2014, 04:06
Been gone all weekend. I just got home to read this thread. First, let’s get the context right.

There is no Federal Government. Back in the mid 1800’s when Bundy’s great grandfather first grazed cattle in Nevada, when no one gave a crap about that worthless desert, the banksters were bankrupting what was left of the original Republic, establishing a corporate administrative agency in Washington DC, and developing a new class of citizens under the 14th amendment, which makes us ALL AGENTS of this corporation. WE ARE THE CATTLE, not Bundy’s Steers! The country was bankrupted and ALL LAND was pledged to the globalist banksters in exchange for a line of credit, which we pay interest for the privilege of being slaves.

So, Bundy does not fully understand what he is up against, while standing on the precepts of the original organic country his great grandfather homesteaded over a hundred and thirty years ago. I would venture to guess that the Bundy’s hold the original land patent to the 90,000 acre ranch in fee simple allodial, while the rights to graze on the additional Nevada “land in trust”, signed by his great grandfather, holds true under contract law, as ALL THINGS ARE COMMERCIAL.

So, as Bundy states, he has no contract with the BLM, which is an agency of the non organic corporate administrative agency for the globalist banksters known as the Federal Government, and the contract mercenaries who were sent in to beta test such an alleged court order from an unlawful administrative court which has no jurisdiction within the “land in trust” of the people of Nevada. This whole thing stinks of brute forceful administration of the banksters assumed resources, of which Clive Bundy unwittingly is a part.

But the main caveat is that we inadvertently became slaves to this corporate administrative agency in DC, without full disclosure, without an equitable exchange of consideration, without a meeting of the minds, and without BOTH wet ink signatures of BOTH parties to the contract. THIS IS BASIC CONTRACT LAW. What is taking place in Nevada is an egregious example of unilateral executive administration without the consent of any of the interested parties, of which Bundy is one.

So, while the rogue, self appointed, unilateral, corporate, private interested government, executively administers it’s unilateral directives against any contract law, any fiduciary trust, any trustee status, in abject contravention to the beneficiaries of the resources, against any equitable consideration, with brute force, without proper jurisdiction, is it any wonder that people are finally standing up and saying “THAT’S ENOUGH”???

No laws passed after 1861 have ANY force and effect, are NOT based on any consent of the governed, and do not administer the trust which is held by the sovereign souls of this nation, or the planet. This trust has been breached, any fiduciary responsibility to administer this trust has been abrogated, and any semblance of equanimity has been destroyed. It’s time to take the bankster interlopers, who stole the land, breached the trust, hold us under a military state of emergency, as enemies of the state, under perpetual Marshall law, and unilaterally decided what IS BEST FOR US ALL, TO BE TAKEN OUT.

PERIOD. END OF STORY.

For those still waiting for the New World Order to arrive, it’s already here. If you want to continue to be indentured as an agent of this rogue mercenary corporation, who has unilaterally breached the trust, in exchange for the meager benefits and privileges which are metered out as bread crumbs, while you “promise to pay” all of your energy to continue to support this corrupt system, then be my guest.

Paul
14th April 2014, 04:24
a new class of citizens under the 14th amendment, which makes us ALL AGENTS of this corporation.
The 14th Amendment (http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv) begins with these words:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
By those words, the "non organic corporate administrative agency for the globalist banksters known as the Federal Government" assumed control over, enslaved, everyone living here.

It's ironic that the ultimate solution to "freeing the slaves" was to "enslave us all."


WE ARE THE CATTLE, not Bundy’s Steers!
:) :cow: :)


No laws passed after 1861 have ANY force and effect
Why "1861", instead of 1869, when the 14th amendment was ratified?

Rocky_Shorz
14th April 2014, 04:51
Nice maps, Rocky.

What do you see in them ?

:)

the Fed owned land, is almost identical to the no rain areas...

were they passed over so the government is responsible for firefighting etc to maintain dust bowls?

were these dust bowls given in exchange for funding?

gripreaper
14th April 2014, 04:56
Why "1861", instead of 1869, when the 14th amendment was ratified?

To those digging in the bone piles of history, it is clearer each day that the Republic that was the united States of America, died at the hands of A. Lincoln, who seized power, without any lawful, constitutionality whatsoever — and set forces in motion that drove the South into a war it did not want, and could not win.

In the eruption that followed, on the killing grounds of Antietam, Vicksburg, Missionary Ridge, Gettysburg, the lifeblood of patriots flowed out onto the earth and into the crevices of revisionist history. Long before the flag of truce was raised, the Republic had already died, not with a bang, but ignominiously, in a whisper no one heard amidst the raging winds of war.

When seven Southern states walked out of Congress March 27, 1861 ,the quorum to conduct business under the Constitution, was lost. The only votes Congress could lawfully take, under parliamentary law, were those to set the time to re-convene, take a vote to get a quorum, and vote to adjourn and set a date, time, and place to re-convene at a later time.

Instead, Congress adjourned sine die(pronounced see-na dee-a), i.e., ‘without day'. "An adjournment sine die“ that is, without day, closes the session and if there is no provision for convening the assembly again, of course the adjournment dissolves the assembly."

Thus, when Congress adjourned sine die it ceased to exist as a lawful body.

http://usa-the-republic.com/jurisprudentia/Background_Studies_To_American_Law.pdf

And this is because the several southern states were adamantly against the Reconstruction Act, the rewriting of the 13th amendment to allow nobility (lawyers) into office, and the provisions of the 14th amendment.

giovonni
14th April 2014, 05:12
Ret. Colonel Potter weighs in ...

Bunkerville History One


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH1uRFNm-d0

===

[ Mod-edit: Col Potter gives the date as April 5 (9 days ago now), about 4:55 into the video. - Paul. ]

Paul
14th April 2014, 05:20
the Fed owned land, is almost identical to the no rain areas...

The dry areas are where there aren't many people. Here's a map of the population density in each county in the US.

http://www.mapofusa.net/us-population-map.gif
It's easier to steal land when there aren't pesky people complaining.

Paul
14th April 2014, 06:36
who is the first person that broadcast to the tea party the ranch was being taken by Reid for this project?

find that shill and we might get closer to who is behind creation of a civil war...
The following two World Net Daily articles provide more background, with good references, to the story of China buying up land and energy rights in the US:

Jerome R. Corsi:
Reid smelling anything but rosy in ranch fight
Desert showdown blows lid off long-standing plans with Chinese (http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/reid-smelling-anything-but-rosy-in-ranch-fight/)
Joseph Farah:
Harry Reid's last roundup
China deal possibly driving fed action against rancher (http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/harry-reids-last-roundup/)

giovonni
14th April 2014, 06:55
update ...

ALERT Sheriff Gillespie Seeks Slaughter

Published on Apr 13, 2014


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilDfAqDNUe4

giovonni
14th April 2014, 08:37
Ret. Colonel Potter weighs in ...

Bunkerville History One


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH1uRFNm-d0


===

[ Mod-edit: Col Potter gives the date as April 5 (9 days ago now), about 4:55 into the video. - Paul. ]


Update

Bunkerville History Two
A Brief Explanation Of The Land Issues

Published on Apr 14, 2014


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1tsOnMn2kg

Ahnung-quay
14th April 2014, 11:20
gripreaper is correct. Also to note, when lawyers pass the Bar examination and become lawyers, they swear an oath to the Crown of England. They become foreign agents. They are no longer U.S. citizens. Who holds the majority of political offices in the U.S.? The non U.S. citizens; lawyers. That alone should tell us that our laws and regulations and anything administered out of Washington is not lawful to the U.S. Consitution.

naste.de.lumina
14th April 2014, 13:14
How long will we tolerate this bull**** from these robots working for corporate gangs that program them so they really feel 'special'.

'This is my job and I'm just following orders'.

We can extend the above sentence for numerous areas of work.

P.S.: The question is independent of the real intentions of the protagonists of this discussion.

Bundy Ranch: BLM agent Dan Love and Pete Santilli threaten mutual arrest

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The big bankers bosses, white collar executives and their political doormats are the masters and need to be confronted.

Snowflower
14th April 2014, 14:30
Really great explanation of the whole fiasco: GQb0qJLhea8

Gerald Paris
14th April 2014, 14:36
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW28j7IU_ME

A lot of this information presented here by mr Molyneux is already present in this thread. He does bring a point that is not (as far as I know). you can find this point at 2:19.

Be well

Cidersomerset
14th April 2014, 14:38
I have not followed this thread although I have seen it in
the headlines, but saw this on Davids site this morning
with a good image of Obama & Putin......The vid may
have already been posted.

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http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/10154434_10153051927141002_4963846301697295589_n.j pg

Cidersomerset
14th April 2014, 15:07
Another article further down.....

Monday 14th April 2014 at 04:42 By David Icke

http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Alternative-media-Pete-santilli.jpg


http://www.naturalnews.com/Images/May2012/Masthead-v7.jpg

Alternative media upstages lamestream media in world-class coverage of historic Bundy Ranch showdown



‘One of the most extraordinary stories in the history of American journalism took
place this last week, and the mainstream (liberal) media was AWOL the entire time.
An historical showdown between heavily armed federal agents (BLM) and armed
American citizens unfolded near Bunkerville, Nevada, where the Bundy family
announced they were taking a stand against a federal land grab and cattle theft
operation masterminded by federal agents working at the BLM.

The showdown ended in a complete victory for Citizens vs. government tyranny as
the feds effectively surrendered, announced their evacuation and agreed to release
all the cattle they had stolen. See the photo below for a snapshot of the history the
mainstream media stupidly decided to ignore.’

Mainstream media was ordered to ignore the story - and they complied
What's so astonishing about all this is that the mainstream media seems to have
dispatched zero reporters to the scene and went to great lengths to downplay the
reality of the situation as it unfolded. In doing this, the media lost massive
credibility with the U.S. public, because it's now clear there was a directive --
almost certainly from the White House -- that commanded media organizations to
ignore the story or spin it with outright lies.

Meanwhile, alternative media -- citizen journalists -- made history by broadcasting
live video from the Bundy ranch, posting video updates every few hours and
conducting groundbreaking original research that uncovered the real story behind
BLM's cover story that they were "saving tortoises."

More importantly, alternative media actually helped shape the story by spreading
the call for citizens to join the effort while simultaneously appealing for calm. It was
this massive citizen response -- powered by activists sharing stories across the 'net
-- that ultimately led to the defeat and surrender of the BLM. In fact, I was one of
the journalists who warned that if the BLM didn't back down, it could result in a
slaughter... of BLM agents. (I also publicly called for calm and asked for cooler
heads to prevail.)


http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The-People-vs-BLM.jpg

This is a turning point in the rise of alternative media and the rapid decline of
lamestream media

What's really clear in all this is that the mainstream media just embarrassed itself
beyond belief while simultaneously losing huge numbers of viewers. CNN was
covering some guy's international food adventures while independent media people
like Pete Santilli (GuerillaMediaNetwork.com) were on the scene at the Bundy
Ranch and broadcasting live reports to the world.

Video news organizations like Next News Network with Gary Franchi were pounding
YouTube with video update and exclusive interviews with people on the scene. Click
here for a complete playlist of all the videos Gary posted over the last several days.
Matt Drudge of DrudgeReport.com was headlining key developments in the story,
driving enormous traffic to alternative media sources that dared to report the truth
of what was unfolding.

Adam Kokesh from Adam Vs. the Man was booking guests, slamming home
remarkable interviews and getting massive eyeballs on YouTube for his outstanding
work. See his YouTube channel here.

Organizations like Natural News and InfoWars were conducting original research
and posting factual stories that went super-viral, clocking in 20K or more Facebook
shares in mere hours. One story by Infowars reporter Kit Daniels became the most
viral news story of the day, surpassing every mainstream news organization on the planet.

(My apologies if I've left other alternative news organizations out of the list. I'm
trying to be as inclusive as possible, but there's a lot to keep track of, too...)

What did the mainstream media do in the meantime? They snoozed on the job and
lost viewers and readers en masse because they refused to cover this historical,
groundbreaking story. Readers, viewers and fans leapt to alternative media sources
in record numbers, and many are still scratching their heads, wondering why CNN,
WashPost or the NYT didn't give this story the coverage it clearly deserved.
(Answer: They are no longer real news organizations. They are propaganda outlets
for corporate and government interests.)

In fact, it was alternative media -- with the relentless help of grassroots liberty
lovers who tweeted, posted and shared the stories and videos -- that drove this
story into the consciousness of the American people. This is what ultimately led to
BLM announcing a surrender and releasing the cattle they had stolen from the
Bundy family.


This ain't no Waco, Oklahoma City or 9/11
What sets all this apart from massacres like Waco, Oklahoma City or 9/11? The fact
that in all those cases, government had near-total control over the media coverage
and therefore could construct the false narratives to be broadcast to the masses.

All three of those events took place long before the rise of social media and the
modern-day phenomenon of rapid sharing of videos, photos and articles.Today,
alternative media can share the truth faster than the government can suppress it.
(And if you don't think the government suppressed many truths about Waco,
Oklahoma City and 9/11, you're wildly uninformed.)

This story at the Bundy Ranch in Nevada, in other words, got away from the feds
before they could control the narrative. Oh, they tried of course. There are reports
that cell towers were shut down to prevent citizen journalists from completing
phone calls and sending photos. The feds also shut down the air space around the
ranch, commanding the FAA to issue an air traffic "blackout" to prevent citizen
journalists from using airplanes and helicopters to monitor the situation.

They were too late, however. A pilot had already done a flyover and exposed the
BLM's bovine concentration camps, which the agency had desperately tried to hide
from the public.

Citizen journalists also snagged the video of BLM personnel ordering attack dogs to
attack innocent bystanders. In this video, I provided absolute video proof that the
BLM was the aggressor, yet the mainstream media stupidly reported this as
protesters "attacking a police dog and assaulting law enforcement officers."

Mainstream media is reserved for those who are incredibly gullible

The bottom line is that the mainstream media thinks you are incredibly stupid and
will buy anything they say, no matter how illogical or irrational it might be. What
the alternative media has now proven is that the mainstream media is largely
irrelevant. It matters nothing what they print or broadcast. The people who are
informed know it's all lies, and the mind-numbed propaganda victims who still
watch shows like CNN and MSNBC are irrelevant to the march of history anyway.

Real history is being shaped, investigated and reported by the alternative media.
We are the ones who have no big corporate sponsors and no million-dollar budgets,
but we have the hearts and minds and passion for truth and justice that drives our
work to levels of authenticity that the mainstream media can never hope to
attain... regardless of production budgets.

In fact, for his on-the-scene reporting and active involvement in standing up to the
feds, guys like Pete Santilli deserve to be nominated for journalism awards. I don't
agree with every single thing he posts, but his reporting work on the Bundy Ranch
was astounding. Click here to visit his Facebook page.

The research uncovered by Kit Daniels at Infowars is also world-class journalism.
Kit deserves to be nominated for some sort of journalism award for that article, and
follow-up articles by Paul Joseph Watson were also outstanding. This is the kind of
work the Washington Post used to do a generation ago when it was an institution of
journalism instead of a shameless political mouthpiece for the White House, but
today Washington Post reporters know they will never be allowed to cover the
stories that really matter because such stories are declared off limits by the powers that be.


Why the rise of alternative media means the fall of fake mainstream media
For once-grand institutions of news reporting like the New York Times and the
Washington Post, the era of honest journalism conducted in the public interest is a
long-faded shadow. Today, mainstream media exists solely to catapult corporate
propaganda and fill the minds of the American people with useless drivel as a
distraction from the real history bring shaped around them.

In fact, internet-savvy viewers and readers of today automatically distrust any
news reporter who is obviously reading a teleprompter. If there's a teleprompter
involved, it's obviously scripted news. And if it's scripted news, it's probably pure bunk.

Real journalism isn't scripted. Today's viewers would rather see an honest person
with a rag-tag wardrobe reporting the news on the side of the road than from a
person with a million-dollar smile and a thousand-dollar suit reporting from a flash-
and-dazzle studio by reading a teleprompter. Everybody knows the teleprompter
news is fake. Everybody knows the "news barbie" who was hired for her good looks
has no real clue what she's even reading or saying. Everybody knows the
mainstream media is far more interested in BLOCKING important stories than
reporting them.

And if mainstream news organizations don't change, they will continue to plummet
in viewership and revenues. Already, MSNBC -- owned in part by Microsoft -- is a
pathetic shadow of a failed news organization. CNN discredits itself by the hour
while Fox News consistently steals its market share and gains ground with viewers.

The NYT is incessantly on the verge of bankruptcy, it seems, and the Washington
Post only survives because it was bought by Amazon.com founder Jeff Bezos, a true
genius of a business man without whom the organization was utterly doomed.

Everywhere you turn in mainstream media, the suits are desperately trying to look
and act like independent media, but they can never quite pull it off. MSNBC's
hopelessly disastrous rollout of Ronan Farrow is a case in point: the guy can't seem
to place a string of words into a coherent sequence even when he does have a
teleprompter! Throw this guy in the middle of the Nevada desert on the Bundy
Ranch story, and he would probably wet himself on camera. Especially if he saw
somebody wearing camo.

Meanwhile, veterans of alternative media like Pete Santilli, David Knight (from
InfoWars) and even myself never use teleprompters and we can carry hours-long
broadcasts without missing a beat, regardless of the difficulty of the situation.
Why? Because we've got brains and passion for real news.

Truth be told, alternative media superstars are absolute geniuses compared to the
boobs shown on mainstream news channels. (And I mean that both figuratively and literally.)

On top of that, we do what we do out of sheer passion alone, without any million-
dollar contracts, corporate sponsors or publicity agents. We report the truth for the
only reason under which journalism should ever be practiced in the first place:
because the People have the right to know what's happening in the world around
them. And it's the alternative media that now appears to have the exclusive
credibility to bring it to them.

Here's something else the mainstream media will never tell you:

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/Bundy-cattle-nuclear-bombs.jpg


Read more: Alternative media upstages lamestream media in world-class coverage
of historic Bundy Ranch showdown

http://www.naturalnews.com/044696_alternative_media_authentic_journalism_Bund y_Ranch.html

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

The Lawnman
14th April 2014, 15:56
“Most disturbing to me is the BLM’s establishment of a ‘First Amendment Area’ that tramples upon Nevadans’ fundamental rights under the U.S. Constitution,” said Sandoval in a statement. “To that end, I have advised the BLM that such conduct is offensive to me and countless others and that the ‘First Amendment Area’ should be dismantled immediately.” Source: http://www.infowars.com/nevada-governor-blasts-feds-first-amendment-area-in-bundy-dispute/

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed." Dec. of Independence.

All unalienable rights are not UNDER the U.S.Constitution, they are "endowed" by the Creator. Its disappointing to see Nevada Governor Brian Sandoval using this language.

Bill Ryan
14th April 2014, 16:06
-------

An update from Doug Hagmann -- important to read and understand:

http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/10598






13 April 2014: Special Note:

As I stated in my report yesterday (http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/10596#more-10596), additional information would be forthcoming today (Sunday). To those who object to the lateness of the hour for this report, it should be understood that I rely on my sources at their “convenience” (although convenience does not exist in the realm of exposing the agenda of the feds). Also, this is still a dynamic situation, meaning that federal assets and plans are still in play.

Narrative: As indicated in my report dated yesterday (http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/10596#more-10596), 12 April 2014, I have been in contact with my primary source within the DHS as well as a secondary source outside of the DC area on multiple occasions throughout today. It is important for people to understand that the “breakdown” of the federal exercise is nearly as methodical and time consuming as the run-up to their arrival. The situation is still fluid, and there are federal assets still being debriefed. Based on the information obtained from both sources who are known to this investigator but who are requesting anonymity for obvious reasons, however, the federal initiative to claim the land at the center of controversy in Nevada remains intact. Perhaps the most important information derived from both contacts is that the situation is not over. In the words of the DHS source, “they [the BLM and other support agencies] will be back.”

According to both sources, plans are being made to physically return on or about the date of the “American Spring,” which is scheduled for 16 May 2014. The purpose for choosing that date or approximate time period should be obvious. The most vocal and visible leaders of the patriot movement will be busy organizing and attending the DC event. It is during this period that the BLM and support agencies, by way of their physical presence combined with court actions, is intended.

Additionally, I was advised by a separate intelligence source that it is important for us in the patriot movement to understand that the situation is much more important to the federal government than just the visible components , or the stand-off, at the Bundy ranch alone. Consider the following:


The current leadership wants to create [2014] as “the summer of rage.” They are astutely aware of the difference in public perception between the rural population and the urban areas, and intend to shape public perception against the patriot movement. They are already spinning the situation at the Bundy ranch into a “display of reasonableness” exhibited by the BLM, DHS and all federal agencies.



The current leadership is attempting to ramp up the rhetoric in the mainstream media about the dangers of the patriotic movement and the threat they posed to life, limb and liberty. Of course, this is untrue. The intent is to cast an even wider net of anti-gun ownership initiatives over those displaying such “radical” tendencies as shown at the Bundy ranch.



It is important to note that the intelligence source contacted by this investigator stressed that the leadership has every intention to stretch out future stand-offs and events, as such ultimately work to (or will be spun) to their benefit. It is their intent to “game the resolve and practicality of the people.



Additionally, it must be noted that Cliven Bundy is literally “the last man standing” in the way of this federal land grab. Over four dozen ranchers have fallen victim to the federal land grabs. Clear title to the state-owned land cannot be claimed unless and until all claims to that land, (the Bundy presence) can be removed. As many already know, the intent is for the federal government to hold clear title as collateral and ultimately conveyance to global interests. While many are aware of its value to Harry Reid and others, this is also about the resources under the ground.

Additional updates will be provided as further data is developed from source – and not before.

GreenGuy
14th April 2014, 16:49
The US government want total control of Nevada and will stop at nothing in order to do just that, this is the start.

Pretty good article here (http://www.independentsentinel.com/chilling-truth-siege-of-bundy-ranch-reaches-into-the-white-house/)....don't think anyone else has posted it.


There is a much bigger picture in all of this, however, and that is the fact Mr. Obama believes the government should control the land and water in the United States. He sees the government as the protector of the nation’s resources. It is his belief. He does not respect private property – it is the government’s to take. That should now be obvious to everyone.

Jake
14th April 2014, 16:50
Hey, look over here!! :llama: It is a busy week for the BLM. In Utah, this week,, "Iron County commissioners have given the Bureau of Land Management an ultimatum: Come up with an immediate plan to remove hundreds of wild horses from the area or residents will do it themselves."

Full article Here... (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57770123-78/wild-horses-blm-burros.html.csp)

It must be frustrating for the folks in Utah that are expecting the BLM to take on the task of actually MANAGING GRAZING LANDS!!


As drought damages rangelands in southwestern Utah, the overpopulation of wild horses is threatening livestock and wildlife, said Commissioner David Miller. In response, the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) wants to reduce the number of cattle allowed or "allotted" in grazing leases, Miller said.

Instead,, the BLM has embarked in a range war over unpaid fees!!!

Interesting tidbit of info here,,,

Joan Guilfoyle, chief of the BLM’s Wild Horse and Burro Division, told her staff the $70 million program was headed for financial collapse unless "drastic changes" are made in the agency’s decades-old roundup policy.

She suggested suspending roundups until thousands of mustangs in federal corrals are sold or adopted, and recommended for the first time euthanizing wild horses on the range "as an act of mercy if animals decline to near-death condition as a result of declining water and forage resources."


Hmmm. It seems that future of the BLM is at stake!!! Drastic changes?? Well, this week has shown Drastic Changes in the way that the BLM looks to the future!!!

Just earlier this week, Utah officials told the BLM that they don't want,, and won't take Bundys' Cattle (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/57792018-90/utah-cattle-county-blm.html.csp). (The plan was to sell them to Utah ranchers... lol)

Here's a question! Why does the BLM have riot cops with automatic weapons and tactical gear??? Is that necessary for MANAGING GRAZING AREAS?? (perhaps, if you are the mafia)

I have come to the conclusion that the BLM has bitten off more than it can chew, and is counting on other government agencies to step in and take over the circus that they have started... But then, that may have been the plan, all along...

And now folks are pouring into Nevada to be part of this!!!

We will see...

Regulators: 1
BLM: 0

I wish they would just all go home and mind their own business. (that is,, if the government hasn't taken it by then) :(

All three eyes open,,
Jake.

Paul
14th April 2014, 17:44
The current leadership wants to create [2014] as “the summer of rage.” They are astutely aware of the difference in public perception between the rural population and the urban areas, and intend to shape public perception against the patriot movement. They are already spinning the situation at the Bundy ranch into a “display of reasonableness” exhibited by the BLM, DHS and all federal agencies.
I don't have any inside contacts myself, so I have no idea when it will happen.

But I'd wager a pretty penny that the above -will- happen, in the not too distant future.

The "current leadership" (what I call the bastards in charge) would surely love to demonize the patriots and split America along those lines (and along other lines as well).

Paul
14th April 2014, 17:49
I have come to the conclusion that the BLM has bitten off more than it can chew, and is counting on other government agencies to step in and take over the circus that they have started... But then, that may have been the plan, all along...
The BLM "gave up" too easily in my view.

This smells to me like a head fake ... if you want to energize the patriots to get them to overplay their hand, give them a taste of success first. This also gives the bastards in charge a great opportunity to closely monitor the reaction of the patriots, capturing all communication, travel, movement and interactions. The bastards in power have a -serious- intelligence gathering advantage here.

Bill Ryan
14th April 2014, 18:04
I have come to the conclusion that the BLM has bitten off more than it can chew, and is counting on other government agencies to step in and take over the circus that they have started... But then, that may have been the plan, all along...
The BLM "gave up" too easily in my view.

This smells to me like a head fake ... if you want to energize the patriots to get them to overplay their hand, give them a taste of success first. This also gives the bastards in charge a great opportunity to closely monitor the reaction of the patriots, capturing all communication, travel, movement and interactions. The bastards in power have a -serious- intelligence gathering advantage here.

I'd agree with that. It smells just a little like a carefully planned setup. Alex Jones et al may possibly be celebrating just a mite too soon... though they all well know that it's not at all over yet.

naste.de.lumina
14th April 2014, 18:23
I have come to the conclusion that the BLM has bitten off more than it can chew, and is counting on other government agencies to step in and take over the circus that they have started... But then, that may have been the plan, all along...
The BLM "gave up" too easily in my view.

This smells to me like a head fake ... if you want to energize the patriots to get them to overplay their hand, give them a taste of success first. This also gives the bastards in charge a great opportunity to closely monitor the reaction of the patriots, capturing all communication, travel, movement and interactions. The bastards in power have a -serious- intelligence gathering advantage here.

I'd agree with that. It smells just a little like a carefully planned setup. Alex Jones et al may possibly be celebrating just a mite too soon... though they all well know that it's not at all over yet.

The theory that they were setting a massacre with the death of 20 or 30 agents of the BLM, may be the reason there was no reinforcements from the government.

In this case, the shootings did not occur because federal agents realized they had no chance against more than 500 militiamen.

They are not so brave when they perceive a real opposition force.

InTheBackground
14th April 2014, 19:42
Can someone explain to me just how the Feds got their numbers when they refer to Bundy's unpaid grazing fees? Because this is what I come up with:

$1.50 per cow per month X approx. 950 cows X 12 months per year X 22 years = $376,200

Which is a whole lot closer to Bundy's figure than to the $1.1M the Feds quote.

Or am I wrong?

Not that it's about grazing anyway...

Paul
14th April 2014, 22:39
update ...

ALERT Sheriff Gillespie Seeks Slaughter

Published on Apr 13, 2014


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilDfAqDNUe4

This is the most important video I have seen today.

The militia, cowboys and citizens who went down to that underpass, behind where the captured steer were being held, had been told, by Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie, that the cattle would be released to them.

But the BLM agents had been told not to release the cattle, and to shoot anyone who wouldn't obey orders to stay back.

The fifteen or twenty young BLM, lightly armed, agents, with their few light trucks, were facing several hundred militia, with years of practice shooting. The militia were both in a broad front on the ground and in protected over head positions above, behind the concrete walls of the overpass bridge. The militia were armed to the teeth, in some cases with guns able to shoot through the typical light metal of small trucks.

There was no place for those young men to hide, no place for them to run, and no way they could take out several hundred well trained and well armed shooters.

http://www.truthandaction.org/wp-content/uploads/Bundyranch2.jpg
The view, from the miiltia side.

http://bizzyblog.com/wp-images/BundyRanchProtesters0414.png
Another view from the militia side.
If shooting started, those young men and their vehicles would have been full of bullet holes, burning in the exploding gasoline, within the first minute.

http://thepythoniccow.us/BLM_agents.jpeg
Close up of the front line of the BLM agents, standing behind their foremost three vehicles.
Sheriff Gillespie had an armoured vehicle, an MRAP, at the next exit down, with a SWAT team. No doubt more fire power, over whelming fire power, was available to the Feds, to respond.

http://www.military-today.com/apc/maxxpro_mrap.jpg
This is what an MRAP looks like. It easily survives handheld gun attack.
( P.S. -- Update: Actual vehicle image posted below in Post #244 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70325-Siege-at-the-Bundy-Ranch-...-Armed-invasion-of-American-land-...-by-the-US-Federal-Government.&p=823296&viewfull=1#post823296))
But that government fire power was being held back. Those young BLM agents were not being backed up, and had zero chance of surviving a shoot out. Zero. They were intentionally placed in a kill zone.

This was a setup, the start to a war on "unruly" civilians in America.

The kind of war against the civilians that we have rained down on so many other countries would have begun here, in the US, in Clark County, Nevada, two days ago, if one shot had been fired.

The bastards in power knew that damn well. They knew that Sheriff Gillespie was lying to Bundy and those supporting him when they told him the cattle would be released when they went down.

That MRAP was not down at the next exit to back up those young men. It was there to start the active military suppression and open war against armed American patriots and anyone supporting them, after those twenty young BLM agents had been sent to the slaughter, the blood sacrifice.

That's why the cell towers were shut down, the highway closed, and the airspace restricted to only BLM authorized aircraft. The Feds were expecting to start the second Civil War, and needed to control what went out. Once the BLM agents backed down, then it didn't matter much anymore, and communication could be opened again. But if war had broken out, then we would never have seen most of the cell phone images and video we are seeing now.

Hey you Feds - I support them - You know where I live. Include me on your kill list when the time comes. Don't worry - I am not a trained militia member - you can take me out easily.

I hold no conventional religion and believe in no conventional God. But, thank God no shot was fired there on Saturday, April 12, 2014.

RunningDeer
14th April 2014, 22:59
Hey you Feds - I support them - You know where I live. Include me on your kill list when the time comes. Don't worry - I am not a trained militia member - you can take me out easily.
Nope, not gonna happen. They'll be no time for it because there are a lot of folks that'll need to pick your brain.


I hold no conventional religion and believe in no conventional God. But, thank God no shot was fired there on Saturday, April 12, 2014.
Yes!
Paula :wave: to :cow:

naste.de.lumina
14th April 2014, 23:02
The fifteen or twenty young BLM, lightly armed, agents, with their few light trucks, were facing several hundred militia, with years of practice shooting. The militia were both in a broad front on the ground and in protected over head positions above, behind the concrete walls of the overpass bridge. The militia were armed to the teeth, in some cases with guns able to shoot through the typical light metal of small trucks.

There was no place for those young men to hide, no place for them to run, and no way they could take out several hundred well trained and well armed shooters.



Is it possible that these guys (agents) who were sent to die like animals to be slaughtered in a spectacular way, a freak show, do not realize that no one in government cares about them?

The intelligence behind it, wants everyone to be ****ed. They prefer well shredded flesh.

Paul
14th April 2014, 23:05
The current leadership wants to create [2014] as “the summer of rage.”
If shots had been fired this last Saturday, by the freeway below Bunkerville, Nevada, then the summer of rage would have begun, then and there, with the death of a few BLM agents, and the "justified" retaliation of the US government.

Paul
14th April 2014, 23:09
Is it possible that these guys (agents) who were sent to die like animals to be slaughtered in a spectacular way, a freak show, do not realize that no one in government cares about them?

The intelligence behind it, wants everyone to be ****ed. They prefer well shredded flesh.
Yes, it is very possible.

That is likely why they backed down, leaving behind vehicles, running generators and other valuable equipment.

They realized that if they fired one shot, they would be well shredded flesh.

They realized they had been setup. They were the cannon fodder, sent into the kill zone, to serve as the ignition source for the second American Civil War.

Paul
14th April 2014, 23:20
Can someone explain to me just how the Feds got their numbers when they refer to Bundy's unpaid grazing fees?
Perhaps the same place the Mafia gets its "protection fee" numbers ... whatever the traffic will bear, or if they are intending to run you out of business, whatever they can't bear.

At least the Mafia is more or less honest about the racket its running.

¤=[Post Update]=¤




The theory that they were setting a massacre with the death of 20 or 30 agents of the BLM, may be the reason there was no reinforcements from the government.

In this case, the shootings did not occur because federal agents realized they had no chance against more than 500 militiamen.

They are not so brave when they perceive a real opposition force.
Yup .. what I said ... only you said it sooner and more succinctly :).

naste.de.lumina
14th April 2014, 23:34
Can someone explain to me just how the Feds got their numbers when they refer to Bundy's unpaid grazing fees?
Perhaps the same place the Mafia gets its "protection fee" numbers ... whatever the traffic will bear, or if they are intending to run you out of business, whatever they can't bear.

At least the Mafia is more or less honest about the racket its running.

¤=[Post Update]=¤




The theory that they were setting a massacre with the death of 20 or 30 agents of the BLM, may be the reason there was no reinforcements from the government.

In this case, the shootings did not occur because federal agents realized they had no chance against more than 500 militiamen.

They are not so brave when they perceive a real opposition force.
Yup .. what I said ... only you said it sooner and more succinctly :).
You said it well..:)

The situation is very serious and dangerous.

We are very close to a tipping point.

Paul
15th April 2014, 00:07
The militia, cowboys and citizens who went down to that underpass, behind where the captured steer were being held, had been told, by Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie, that the cattle would be released to them.
From Sheriff Gillespie Announces to Bundy Ranch Crowds: ‘BLM Activities Will Cease’ (21stCenturyWire) (http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/04/12/exclusive-sheriff-gillespie-announces-to-bundy-crowds-blm-activites-will-cease/):



At 9:45am PST, Clark County Sheriff Douglas Gillespie, sharing the stage with rancher Cliven Bundy, addressed the crowd of protesters and announced that the official process has begun whereby the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) operations in and around the Bundy Ranch ‘will cease’, and the the Gold Butte area will be reopened to the public.

Here is a video of Clark County Sheriff Gillespie making this announcement, with Mr Bundy stands next to him, arms crossed.
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Does anyone have the time of the confrontation under the freeway overpass with the BLM agents? Was that confrontation before or after Gillespie's speech?

(Above edited by me -- my initial version of this post was certain that Gillespie's speech was before the confrontation, so a blatant lie.)

thunder24
15th April 2014, 00:26
i sure hope the dogg isn't being wagged... like ole shoe

Paul
15th April 2014, 00:34
Does anyone have the time of the confrontation under the freeway overpass with the BLM agents? Was that confrontation before or after Gillespie's speech?

(Above edited by me -- my initial version of this post was certain that Gillespie's speech was before the confrontation, so a blatant lie.)

Aha - a couple more Firefox tabs over - here's the timeline for Saturday, April 12, 2014, using material from the TEA PARTY NEWS NETWORK (TPNN) (http://www.tpnn.com/2014/04/12/blm-told-to-stand-down-at-bundy-ranch/):







9:45 am PST


Clark County Sheriff Douglas Gillespie announces that the BLM will cease operations.

12:15 pm PST


There are hundreds of protesters on one side of the bridge. They are shouting and having a standoff with about 25 heavily armed BLM agents. The agents have pepper gas, riot shields, and AR-15s. The protesters are standing between the rangers and the confiscated cattle which is about 500 yards down range. This is intense.

The Obama BLM agents are on loudspeaker telling the protesters that they will be arrested for violating a court order if they don’t disperse. The BLM agents are in full tactical mode.


3:00 pm PST



Though the Sheriff’s Department announced a shaky truce between the protesters and the BLM authorities, the protesters demanded a speedy return of all seized cattle. After several hours, the BLM had not released the cattle and hundreds of protesters (many on horseback) descended upon the BLM encampment to demand a return of the cattle.

The ranchers/protesters have seemingly won the battle. After a very tense standoff between federal authorities and hundreds of protesters, Ammon Bundy and Dave Bundy, sons of rancher Clive Bundy, were approached by a single agent to negotiate a truce. Both sons returned from talks several hundred yards down the wash to tell a roaring crowd that federal authorities were standing down and the seized cattle would be returned within the hour.


So ... yes ... surprise, surprise ... Clark County Sheriff Douglas Gillespie lied when he said at 9:4 am that the BLM would cease operations. The most dangerous confrontation occurred two or three hours later.

It was a setup, plain and simple.

Paul
15th April 2014, 00:41
Also from the Harry Reid: ‘It’s NOT Over’[/SIZE][/B]

April 14, 2014 By Matthew Burke

http://www.tpnn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Harry.Reid_.Slitting.Throat.000.jpg
Democrat Senate majority leader Harry Reid, who may have less than pure motives ("]TEA PARTY NEWS NETWORK (TPNN):




[B][SIZE="3) in the Obama BLM’s invasion of the Bundy Ranch in Nevada (http://bit.ly/1gn3LZk), is saying that the standoff with rancher Cliven Bundy, the last rancher in Clark County, Nevada, is “not over.”

“Well, it’s not over,” Reid told KRNV today (http://www.mynews4.com/news/local/story/Sen-Reid-on-Cattle-Battle-Its-not-over/nT5weKnqFkezV14I5GhESg.cspx). “We can’t have an American people that violates the law and then just walk away from it. So, it’s not over,”

Paul
15th April 2014, 00:46
Here is a camera shot from the overpass, taken where some of the armed militia were stationed, behind the concrete sidewalls of the freeway, overlooking the BLM agents, in the final standoff.

http://www.tpnn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/DSC00851.jpg
Those agents did not have a chance. No wonder they did the sensible thing and backed down.

naste.de.lumina
15th April 2014, 00:49
Under the carpet and inside the holes, may be experiencing a war or very near it.

Should have plenty of furious agent.

Apparently we'll have tense days ahead, to say the least.

Perhaps happen very different, strange, dangerous things. or maybe good.


Another detail.

While the mainstream media missed out, so we did not have most people hypnotized by the official narrative thinking against the rancher and the militia, the internet was mostly in favor of Mr. Bundy.

I'm sure that not have a single 'click' because the Universe is quantum.

The OK Corral would look cartoonish.

Stay tuned.

Naste.

naste.de.lumina
15th April 2014, 01:32
ATTENTION

Can anyone help confirm this news from other sources?

Bundy Ranch: Sheriff Mack Confirms SWAT Raid Imminent

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risveglio
15th April 2014, 01:39
I think we all need to watch this, sorry if it has been shared already. Has stormcloud been bunked/debunked?
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gripreaper
15th April 2014, 01:50
“We can’t have an American people that violates the law and then just walk away from it. So, it’s not over,”

We can't have a rogue corporate mercenary globalist fascist UNITED NATIONS government which violates the sovereign peoples of the several states just walk away from it. So, it's not over.

At no time in American history is it more important to recognize that the Corporate District of Columbia government is NOT the government of the people, but has gone rogue and is a special interest government which unilaterally mandates provisions which are unconstitutional and against the rights of the sovereign souls of the several states.

The Dept of Agriculture definition of "human resources" is "cattle". We are considered cattle and no one on the hill, especially Harry Reid, gives a flying rats ass about us or what we think or how we want to adhere to the original organic Constitution or the Bill of Rights, or the supreme sovereignty of the states and the people.

This notion was abrogated back in the mid 1800's and we have been indentured slaves ever since, and if we want to take back our country, we will need to fire every last one of these bastards starting with Doug Gillespie. Harry Reid would most certainly make the list.

The Constitution is a contract. This contract has been breached, the fiduciary responsibilities given to these politicians BY THE PEOPLE have been breached, the contract broken, and there IS NO contract from which the interested parties are operating from. Without a contract, there is no enforcement and there is no injured party. The BLM IS NOT INJURED by Clive Bundy's actions.

The land belongs to the people of Nevada, and how it is to be managed is also at the behest of the sovereign people of Nevada. The BLM has NO CONTRACT with these people and serves the global corporate interests and is making huge money deals to lease rights to this land for whatever purpose, so far speculated to be fracking rights or oil rights or some other corporate interest. If the state commissioners or the state legislature is making deals with BLM, then they need to be fired too.

Until a contract is produced which shows who the interested parties are, who the holders in due course are, and who has rights as the holder in due course, then there is no adjudicatable controversy and therefore no jurisdiction.

Any unilateral action is unlawful, and the BLM is right square in the middle of an unlawful unilateral mandate without any jurisdiction.

Paul
15th April 2014, 02:28
I think we all need to watch this, sorry if it has been shared already. Has stormcloud been bunked/debunked?
HFiosLqjoQQ

Yes - excellent

Here's the associated web page: http://scgnews.com/bundy-ranch-what-youre-not-being-told

There is a full transcript of the video there, for those who prefer to read.

It boils down to a Harry Reid scam for his sun to to develop a solar energy project which required the BLM to remove "trespass" cattle from the "Gold Butte" area because these "restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle"

Those quotes are from a BLM document that is being rapidly removed from the BLM website and various web caches as fast as they can.

The "Gold Butte" area is where Cliven Bundy is the "last man standing" ... the last rancher to be grazing his cattle on that land. Cliven Bundy is explicitly named in that BLM document, as the rancher whose trespassing cattle must be removed, because (and I quote again) "Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle."

No wonder Harry Reid is the one who stated confidently today that it was not over.

Paul
15th April 2014, 02:35
ATTENTION

Can anyone help confirm this news from other sources?

Bundy Ranch: Sheriff Mack Confirms SWAT Raid Imminent

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This has certainly gone viral over the alternative web, and Sheriff Mack is well trusted by those who know of him. See for example the FreeRepublic.com (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3144393/posts) thread for this.

I have not yet found independent confirmation, but it sure sounds plausible to me.

Dennis Leahy
15th April 2014, 02:42
I think we all need to watch this, sorry if it has been shared already. Has stormcloud been bunked/debunked?
HFiosLqjoQQ
Aaron Hawkins (the voice behind Storm Clouds Gathering) appears to me to be a brilliant analyst and an excellent writer and speaker who speaks from a combination of head and heart. As he shows in this video, he is not pleased with sloppy alternative journalism, and unafraid to call people on it.

I personally disagree with him on his ultimate goals (I'd describe his vision as tribal anarchism, which I think could work for a few clusters of 300 people, but not for 300+ million people), but he is succinct, accurate, and powerful in defining and underscoring who the enemy is - and how they took and maintain control. He's a firebrand, an agitator - in the finest sense. Put me down as a supporter.

I'm not sure what could be done to "vet" him. I have seen every prominent whistleblower and activist with at least a few arrows shot in their back, from people who see anyone making headway against Elite Empire as a probable double-agent. So, I'm sure you can find someone to "debunk" him, even though it is obvious his voice is a voice of truth and reverberates from the belly of the oppressed.

Dennis

naste.de.lumina
15th April 2014, 02:43
This has certainly gone viral over the alternative web, and Sheriff Mack is well trusted by those who know of him. See for example the FreeRepublic.com (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3144393/posts) thread for this.

I have not yet found independent confirmation, but it sure sounds plausible to me.

Thanks for your attention and help.

I'm worried about Americans in a specific way and all of us in general.

Good luck to all us .

Naste.

Paul
15th April 2014, 02:49
Can anyone help confirm this news from other sources?

Bundy Ranch: Sheriff Mack Confirms SWAT Raid Imminent

This has certainly gone viral over the alternative web, and Sheriff Mack is well trusted by those who know of him. See for example the FreeRepublic.com (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3144393/posts) thread for this.

I have not yet found independent confirmation, but it sure sounds plausible to me.

BeforeItsNews is claiming that Pete Santilli of GuerillaNewsNetwork has confirmed with Sheriff Mack "that the rumors of a raid on the Bundy family is indeed true, and he said that they are actually going to raid all of the Bundy family homes."

See further Sheriff Mack Confirms: Feds Are Planning To Raid Bundy Homes (http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/04/sheriff-mack-confirms-feds-are-planning-to-raid-bundy-homes-2938210.html).

So this provides purported independent confirmation that Sheriff Mack is making this claim, but it still relies only on Mack's report (and our personal sense of what is likely or not.)

P.S. == Correction: I probably misread the word "has confirmed" as meaning that Sheriff Mack had made a second and independent statement. Now I am more inclined to think that the above BeforeItsNews report is just another viral echo of Mack's original report.

Paul
15th April 2014, 02:59
Top U.S. news headlines on the main stream media (thanks to SiloBreaker.com (http://news.silobreaker.com/united-states-11_81112)):

Police: Utah mom admits to killing at least six of her babies
Memories of Boston Marathon tragedy
Around the Web: Seven dead babies found in a Utah home
Judge orders Ohio to recognize same-sex marriages

It's a whole 'nother world out there.

:doh:

Rocky_Shorz
15th April 2014, 03:18
I have come to the conclusion that the BLM has bitten off more than it can chew, and is counting on other government agencies to step in and take over the circus that they have started... But then, that may have been the plan, all along...
The BLM "gave up" too easily in my view.

This smells to me like a head fake ... if you want to energize the patriots to get them to overplay their hand, give them a taste of success first. This also gives the bastards in charge a great opportunity to closely monitor the reaction of the patriots, capturing all communication, travel, movement and interactions. The bastards in power have a -serious- intelligence gathering advantage here.

I'd agree with that. It smells just a little like a carefully planned setup. Alex Jones et al may possibly be celebrating just a mite too soon... though they all well know that it's not at all over yet.

well psych warfare 101...

don't fight the enemy when they are well fed and rested, let them know an attack is coming so they don't sleep...

by the time they come, this seriously inbalanced crowd is going to have someone lose it, but of course it will be a blackwater Patriot that joined the "Patriots" which will trigger the mayhem to follow... If they can do it with Al CIAda, they can do it with the Tea Party rebels...

blood moon less than three hours out...

Carmody
15th April 2014, 03:23
Another thing is that I mentioned the 'bring multiple forms of radio and even video transmission back-up. short and long range, tunable frequency stuff. And some ham, just in case.. now folks can see how important this sort of thing actually is. Gotta stay informed, if you want to call yourself organized. Communications are key.

From the other end of things: SOMEONE, meaning a very few.. ..is buying up all surplus VHF handhelds that appear on eBay.

This has been going on for the past few years, and intensified last year.

Paul
15th April 2014, 03:31
It boils down to a Harry Reid scam for his sun to to develop a solar energy project which required the BLM to remove "trespass" cattle from the "Gold Butte" area because these "restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle"

On further thought, it can't just be Harry Reid. Something or Someone has been motivating a US Federal confiscation of Western land for at least a couple of decades now. Even just whatever solar energy project was cover for this "Gold Butte" operation doesn't make much sense, from an ordinary profit motive.

Someone wants the US Federal government to have clear title to most of the Western land, and they are paying big bucks, for a long time, towards that purpose.

Sure sounds to me like someone is doing a stealth "foreclosure" on US property ... presumably someone who holds a large pile of US Treasury and other such debt that needs foreclosing on.

:wave: Xi Jinping

naste.de.lumina
15th April 2014, 03:40
It boils down to a Harry Reid scam for his sun to to develop a solar energy project which required the BLM to remove "trespass" cattle from the "Gold Butte" area because these "restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle"

On further thought, it can't just be Harry Reid. Something or Someone has been motivating a US Federal confiscation of Western land for at least a couple of decades now. Even just whatever solar energy project was cover for this "Gold Butte" operation doesn't make much sense, from an ordinary profit motive.

Someone wants the US Federal government to have clear title to most of the Western land, and they are paying big bucks, for a long time, towards that purpose.

Sure sounds to me like someone is doing a stealth "foreclosure" on US property ... presumably someone who holds a large pile of US Treasury and other such debt that needs foreclosing on.

:wave: Xi Jinping



I think Dave's article or part of it, deserves more attention

The Bundy Affair Is the Tip of the Iceberg To What’s Coming (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70325-Siege-at-the-Bundy-Ranch-...-Armed-invasion-of-American-land-...-by-the-US-Federal-Government.&p=822109&viewfull=1#post822109)

By Dave Hodges - April 13, 2014.

SKAWF
15th April 2014, 03:43
thing is with the elites.....

they have weaknesses. not necessarily ones which can be exploited, but there nonetheless.
most of them have inherited their wealth, but the canny mind which acquired it, may not have carried over.
also because of their wealth and power, some of them.... have become complacent.
most of them NEED a machine under them to give them info and advice,
and when things are going well. you have the power, the system to back you up,
and your buddies giving you advice - it's alllll good baby.

where they fail is that some of them are drunk with power. slightly mental, and limited in their view of the world.

after all, its not them that fight the wars is it.

its not when they have control of a situation, that they make mistakes.
its when events move more rapidly, pressure builds and the mechanism isnt there to support them...

THATS when they make mistakes.

they have power and authority but dont respond at all well when THEY are under pressure.
by 'pressure' i dont just mean pressures of work. whats going on now, and has been going on for a long while
are far higher stakes. we're talking about lies, corruption, sedition, war crimes, murder and a whole list of other charges.
if the house of cards falls down, a lot of these ............. people, will die in prison.
but they have faith because they are part of the system

those they are fighting against are not.
many of them battle hardened, skilled, resourceful and able to function under enormous pressure.

as was said earlier the feds have very good information and communication tools.
they can mobilse quickly travel long distances, co ordinate and strike.

but i'm not sure that a militia has that technical ability, even if they do have the numbers.

i think the best chance the american people have (the entire world for that matter)
is that the mechanism which the elites are perched on top of,
will fail, possibly due to those personel serving them saying NO.

and that the elites will fall from a very great height.
assuming that they dont fracture and split away from each other anyway.

Paul
15th April 2014, 03:50
I think Dave's article or part of it, deserves more attention

The Bundy Affair Is the Tip of the Iceberg To What’s Coming (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70325-Siege-at-the-Bundy-Ranch-...-Armed-invasion-of-American-land-...-by-the-US-Federal-Government.&p=822109&viewfull=1#post822109)

By Dave Hodges - April 13, 2014.

Yes .

gripreaper
15th April 2014, 03:50
removed until all the facts can be verified.

SunSea
15th April 2014, 04:03
Hello! I've just started reading this thread today after the big confrontation. A great job, as usual, bringing up different angles and covering many sources PA people! I haven't read the whole thread here only going back a few pages so I don't really know whats been covered but will offer an observation. At work the tv is turned to FOX news every week day for a period of time. They are main stream and have been covering this story quite heavily, daily. AND they're all about ranting and raving about Americans loosing their right to this @#$%65$ government run by Obama etc. Saying all the "right" things you could say. Not that I trust FOX......

I read here that mainstream news isn't covering this and just wanted to add that.. that's my observation. Maybe no one here watches FOX!!!! :frog:

naste.de.lumina
15th April 2014, 04:25
I think Dave's article or part of it, deserves more attention

The Bundy Affair Is the Tip of the Iceberg To What’s Coming (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70325-Siege-at-the-Bundy-Ranch-...-Armed-invasion-of-American-land-...-by-the-US-Federal-Government.&p=822109&viewfull=1#post822109)

By Dave Hodges - April 13, 2014.

Yes .

This conflict is a great distraction for something really big.

Stay Awake.

The main forces have not been involved. Military, DHS, FBI, National Guard, TSA, etc! The CIA and other security agencies and mercenaries are always active.

Will be cohesive to one side?

Paul
15th April 2014, 04:30
Maybe no one here watches FOX!!!! :frog:
I for one don't watch any TV :).

But I do know that my liberal family (ex-wife and all her relatives in California) hold Fox News, George Bush, Rush Limbaugh and the Tea Party in great scorn.

Associating support for the patriots in Bunkerville, Nevada with (boo, hiss) Fox news is just a convenient way to communicate to typical liberal listeners what the score card is.

Fear the militia, same as the terrorists, just a name change.

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This conflict is a great distraction for something really big.
My guess - the American Dollar is being repatriated, on the sly.

It is being exchanged for U.S. gold, resources, and land.

naste.de.lumina
15th April 2014, 04:40
This conflict is a great distraction for something really big.
My guess - the American Dollar is being repatriated, on the sly.

It is being exchanged for U.S. gold, resources, and land.

Blackmailed by the BRICS or a part of them?

But if China alone dump their trillions of dollars, would cause great damage on the world economy.

The only way to not miss anything is to hold assets worth: land, minerals, gas, oil, etc..

The globalists are back up to their necks in this agenda.

The USA is just the hardest part.


Update.

Pretty soon we have a total Lunar eclipse. The first moon of blood.

If a revolution or something that breaks this paradigm structures occur, will be very bad for the Zionists and one 'prophecy' is fulfilled.

http://events.slooh.com/

Rocky_Shorz
15th April 2014, 05:07
Please send this out as soon as possible, and post it everywhere you can. Copy and paste it, edit it, and change it any way you wish. If you wish, you can mail it or fax it anonymously if you don't feel comfortable putting your name on it, but it only takes a minute. We need to let Harry Reid know we know what's going on.


...

in case you missed it the Solar project being built was in in Laughlin 150 miles from Bundy Ranch, this has nothing to do with ENN, they backed out in June 2013...

Now if you want to know who is trying to push the Tea Party into a revolution, let me help a little, all the names you need to know are listed on the link below...




Blackwater isn't there over clean energy... LMAO




The Koch Brothers Left a Confidential Document at Their Donor Conference
A list of one-on-one meetings between VIP donors and the Kochs and their operatives offers a revealing look into their mighty political machine.

who's dragging the tea party by their noses? click here (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/02/koch-brothers-palm-springs-donor-list)



who is the first person that broadcast to the tea party the ranch was being taken by Reid for this project?

find that shill and we might get closer to who is behind creation of a civil war...
The following two World Net Daily articles provide more background, with good references, to the story of China buying up land and energy rights in the US:

Jerome R. Corsi:
Reid smelling anything but rosy in ranch fight
Desert showdown blows lid off long-standing plans with Chinese (http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/reid-smelling-anything-but-rosy-in-ranch-fight/)
Joseph Farah:
Harry Reid's last roundup
China deal possibly driving fed action against rancher (http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/harry-reids-last-roundup/)

gripreaper
15th April 2014, 05:16
in case you missed it the Solar project being built was in in Laughlin 150 miles from Bundy Ranch, this has nothing to do with ENN, they backed out in June 2013...

Please link me to the verification of this. According to the BLM's own website, the ENN Solar project was to be mitigated in the Gold Butte area where Bundy's cattle graze. Apparently I did miss it.

Rocky_Shorz
15th April 2014, 05:20
well click the link on my quote and go back to that page, I'm solid on this, went to post and again freeze out on the forum, but it cleared quickly... this is info they do Not want known...

here ya go...

From The Las Vegas Sun (June 14, 2013) (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2013/jun/14/company-dumps-big-laughlin-solar-project-says-mark/):



A Chinese-backed company is pulling the plug on a multibillion-dollar solar project near Laughlin after it was unable to find customers for the power that would have been generated there, a Clark County spokesman said Friday.

From Clark County, Nevada News Release (June 14, 2013) (http://www.clarkcountynv.gov/news/Pages/CountytoRevisitEconomicDevelopment.aspx):



LAUGHLIN -- ENN Mojave Energy representatives informed Clark County officials today that they could not obtain power purchase agreements with utility companies within necessary contract deadlines, thus triggering an automatic termination of an agreement to create a solar power generation, manufacturing and research facility on 9,000 acres in southern Clark County.

gripreaper
15th April 2014, 05:28
well click the link on my quote and go back to that page, I'm solid on this, went to post and again freeze out on the forum, but it cleared quickly... this is info they do Not want known...

I looked at it and it is about the Koch brothers and their affiliations. I'm looking for specific reference to the ENN solar project and it's ties to Gold Butte and Senator Reid.

Did you watch this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFiosLqjoQQ

Rocky_Shorz
15th April 2014, 05:54
well click the link on my quote and go back to that page, I'm solid on this, went to post and again freeze out on the forum, but it cleared quickly... this is info they do Not want known...

I looked at it and it is about the Koch brothers and their affiliations. I'm looking for specific reference to the ENN solar project and it's ties to Gold Butte and Senator Reid.

Did you watch this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFiosLqjoQQ

more Koch mind control political propaganda, check this out, this is from the same Reuters article quoted in the video at 3:11 Bundy ranch is 170 miles away by road... 150 as the crow flies...


The Langfang, China-based ENN Energy Group hopes to build what would be the largest solar energy complex in America. The site chosen with Rory Reid's guidance is in tiny Laughlin, Nevada, a gambling town of 7,300 along the Colorado River, 90 miles south of Las Vegas... link (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/31/us-usa-china-reid-solar-idUSBRE87U06D20120831)

I'm trying to point out to all of you how the tea party is continuously being misled...

the Koch Bros are kicking back at the country club laughing their asses off at the trouble they caused in Nevada...

lies by omission...

Paul
15th April 2014, 05:58
This conflict is a great distraction for something really big.
My guess - the American Dollar is being repatriated, on the sly.

It is being exchanged for U.S. gold, resources, and land.

Blackmailed by the BRICS or a part of them?

But if China alone dump their trillions of dollars, would cause great damage on the world economy.

The only way to not miss anything is to hold assets worth: land, minerals, gas, oil, etc..

The globalists are back up to their necks in this agenda.

The USA is just the hardest part.

My hunch:

At one level, blackmailed by the BRICS.
At a higher level, we're space bound :).

For reasons the most powerful on earth can't tell us serfs, it's time we focused human energy on the technology and resources required to compete with aliens.

The dynamic imposed on humanity over the last few centuries and continuing is:

The United Kingdom consolidated major portions of the planet, but certainly not all.
The Second World War was the last war that could be fought as total war, between powerful nations, with the best available technology, without destroying the planet.
The United States continued the consolidation for another half century, over the less poweful holdouts, using Communists and Terrorists as the excuse.
Now the United States is being dismantled, using the BRICS nations to complete the impoverishment, demoralization and demonetization of Americans, and using the war with Islam as the last great excuse.
A global depression (if the European, American and Japanese markets collapse, who does China sell to?) with some regional hot wars ensues.
Nations become "soft" power centers (like the states in the US now, or increasingly the formerly sovereign nations of Europe in the EU) beneath a global governance, accepted after the above pain.
Once no two major nations are sufficiently strong and independent to engage in total war, the hidden physics can be allowed to become more visible.
By then, the manufacturing capacity of China will be obsolete, and the energy resources of Russia devalued by over-unity energy physics.
So all nations, and all people, devastated in various ways, will bow before the global authorities (or be isolated or removed.)

A tip of the hat to Joseph P. Farrell and Catherine Austin Fitts, from whom I borrowed the good part of the above, adding the "bad part" myself <grin>.

If we serfs figure enough of this out, soon enough, we can change history, regain our lost freedoms, learn and put to peaceful use the new physics, and deal reasonably with whatever aliens are out there, constructively if we can, defensively if we must.

On the other hand, if we screw it up bad enough, we'd best start carving some large stone monuments, as that seems to be the only reliable means to transfer knowledge across tens of thousands of years.

Rocky_Shorz
15th April 2014, 06:06
well the moon is going dark, it's starting now, we have fog moving in so I'll be watching online

Paul
15th April 2014, 06:20
I'm trying to point out to all of you how the tea party is continuously being misled...
Yes, the Laughlin site is too far away, and yes, the tea party is making themselves laughable again, not getting their basic geography straight.

So far as I know however, this does not mean however that there isn't some truth, mingled with the confusions, in those reports.

Further, so far as I know, I suspect that what I posted above in Post #189 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70325-Siege-at-the-Bundy-Ranch-...-Armed-invasion-of-American-land-...-by-the-US-Federal-Government.&p=822683&viewfull=1#post822683) is correct. It directly implicates the BLM in planning to take out Cliven Bundy's (by name) grazing access, in order to get complete control of the Gold Butte for (supposedly) a solar energy project.

I suspect however that control of the land, for the benefit of some holder of large amounts of US debt, is a more fundamental objective here than solar energy. Harry Reid's involvement is likely entangled with this control effort, his sociopathic greed proving useful in the circumstances.

Do you suspect I'm widely missing the mark, Rocky?

naste.de.lumina
15th April 2014, 06:23
Blackmailed by the BRICS or a part of them?

But if China alone dump their trillions of dollars, would cause great damage on the world economy.

The only way to not miss anything is to hold assets worth: land, minerals, gas, oil, etc..

The globalists are back up to their necks in this agenda.

The USA is just the hardest part.

My hunch:

At one level, blackmailed by the BRICS.
At a higher level, we're space bound :).

For reasons the most powerful on earth can't tell us serfs, it's time we focused human energy on the technology and resources required to compete with aliens.

The dynamic imposed on humanity over the last few centuries and continuing is:

The United Kingdom consolidated major portions of the planet, but certainly not all.
The Second World War was the last war that could be fought as total war, between powerful nations, with the best available technology, without destroying the planet.
The United States continued the consolidation for another half century, over the less poweful holdouts, using Communists and Terrorists as the excuse.
Now the United States is being dismantled, using the BRICS nations to complete the impoverishment, demoralization and demonetization of Americans, and using the war with Islam as the last great excuse.
A global depression (if the European, American and Japanese markets collapse, who does China sell to?) with some regional hot wars ensues.
Nations become "soft" power centers (like the states in the US now, or increasingly the formerly sovereign nations of Europe in the EU) beneath a global governance, accepted after the above pain.
Once no two major nations are sufficiently strong and independent to engage in total war, the hidden physics can be allowed to become more visible.
By then, the manufacturing capacity of China will be obsolete, and the energy resources of Russia devalued by over-unity energy physics.
So all nations, and all people, devastated in various ways, will bow before the global authorities (or be isolated or removed.)

A tip of the hat to Joseph P. Farrell and Catherine Austin Fitts, from whom I borrowed the good part of the above, adding the "bad part" myself <grin>.

If we serfs figure enough of this out, soon enough, we can change history, regain our lost freedoms, learn and put to peaceful use the new physics, and deal reasonably with whatever aliens are out there, constructively if we can, defensively if we must.

On the other hand, if we screw it up bad enough, we'd best start carving some large stone monuments, as that seems to be the only reliable means to transfer knowledge across tens of thousands of years.

You said it all.

We are the last barrier.

We can not have separations like a Brics, USA, EU, etc..

It's us against them.


I did not come to planet Earth to Lose.

Naste.

Rocky_Shorz
15th April 2014, 06:35
We won, the Koch media center finally came forward to admit, the Chinese solar project is no where near Bundy's ranch... I really didn't expect it from Glenn Beck...



By Juan Cole | May. 17, 2013 |

The Moapa Paiutes are celebrating the advent of solar power and the beginning of the end of coal power in southern Nevada.

They are having a solar plant built on tribal lands, which will allow them meet their own needs and to sell electricity to Los Angeles. Best of all, they can envision the closing of the dirty coal plant that has given them respiratory diseases.

“Southern Nevada’s Moapa Band of Paiutes are calling for the closure of the Reid Gardner coal plant and a transition to clean renewable energy future for Nevada. On Earth Day 2013, they organized a 16-mile “Walk from Coal to Clean Energy”. The walk celebrated the tribe’s efforts to retire the polluting Reid Gardner coal plant that adjoins their tribal lands, and also their success in developing the largest solar project on tribal lands in the nation, which will begin construction later this year. The walk began at the coal plant and ended at the solar site – a powerful symbol of change for Nevada and the nation.” http://www.juancole.com/2013/05/paiutes-celebrates-switch.html


Reid Gardner Generating Station is a 557 megawatt coal fired plant on 480 acres (190 ha)[1] located near Moapa, Nevada is co-owned by Nevada Power (69%) and California Department of Water Resources (31%)... link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reid_Gardner_Generating_Station)

Rocky_Shorz
15th April 2014, 07:22
I'm trying to point out to all of you how the tea party is continuously being misled...
Yes, the Laughlin site is too far away, and yes, the tea party is making themselves laughable again, not getting their basic geography straight.

So far as I know however, this does not mean however that there isn't some truth, mingled with the confusions, in those reports.

Further, so far as I know, I suspect that what I posted above in Post #189 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70325-Siege-at-the-Bundy-Ranch-...-Armed-invasion-of-American-land-...-by-the-US-Federal-Government.&p=822683&viewfull=1#post822683) is correct. It directly implicates the BLM in planning to take out Cliven Bundy's (by name) grazing access, in order to get complete control of the Gold Butte for (supposedly) a solar energy project.

I suspect however that control of the land, for the benefit of some holder of large amounts of US debt, is a more fundamental objective here than solar energy. Harry Reid's involvement is likely entangled with this control effort, his sociopathic greed proving useful in the circumstances.

Do you suspect I'm widely missing the mark, Rocky?

actually we're all off...

the Walmart Waltons want to spend $400,000 in restoring the butterfly wildlife area where Bundy Ranch is located...

I hear Walmart and China are pretty close... ;)

I'll offer a new Angle for everyone...

BLM's new leader is about to have his home town in Nevada tore up by fracking, maybe the only other option was to give them a different spot other than his home town...

whistles innocently...


Bill mentioned something they want underground, does everyone know they have 10-15,000 year old rock carvings in Nevada?

http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/08/16/petroglyph-1_wide-700fcd62467fe2a3c1621531aee11ccd91c29887-s40-c85.jpg


Ancient North Americans gouged elaborate rock art into a heap of big boulders northeast of Reno, Nev., more than 10,000 years ago and perhaps 15,000 years ago. That makes the carvings the oldest known petroglyphs on the continent, published in the Journal of Archaeological Science.

Experts have known about these petroglyphs and believed they were old, but nobody knew just how old until paleoclimatologist Larry Benson used his expertise in the history of the climate of the West to date them.

"I think it's really amazing that people that far back were creating such wonderful things," Benson says.

The discovery is significant because the first people who lived on this continent are largely a mystery. They arrived more than 14,000 years ago, but archaeologists have found little to tell us about their culture — hardly any weavings, pottery or other handiwork.

"To get something this complex this early is very, very rare," says , an archaeologist at the University of Oregon's Museum of Natural and Cultural History.

The new discovery shows that some of the earliest North Americans were surprisingly creative artists.

Benson has been interested in Native American artifacts since he was a boy hunting for arrowheads in farmers' fields in Missouri. So he was thrilled when he got a chance to check out some rock art on the Pyramid Lake Indian Reservation about 10 years ago.

He recalls being entranced by how "incredibly beautiful" these petroglyphs are... link (http://www.npr.org/2013/08/16/212569006/n-americas-oldest-known-petroglyphs-discovered-in-nevada)

http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/08/16/petroglyph-2-8ae0fe42fe84ccbac31128bfa3c0f948cb0c1874-s40-c85.jpg

don't tell the Tea Party, they'll want to nuke the whole state for believing in Math, Science... and ... Geography :pound:

Cidersomerset
15th April 2014, 10:31
Sen. Harry Reid: Bundy Dispute ‘Not Over’

new Tuesday 15th April 2014 at 07:59 By David Icke


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‘After remaining silent for days, Nevada Sen. Harry Reid made comments regarding
the ongoing dispute between the Bureau of Land Management and rancher Cliven
Bundy today, accusing the Bundy family of violating the law.

“Well, it’s not over. We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then
just walk away from it. So it’s not over,” Reid told News 4.

Despite telling the Bundy family that a deal had been reached Saturday after
federal agents were forced to retreat, the BLM reversed its promise Monday and
told reporters that they planned to go after Bundy “administratively and judicially.”

“The door isn’t closed. We’ll figure out how to move forward with this,” BLM
spokesman Craig Leff said. “The BLM and National Park Service did not cut any deal
and negotiate anything, there was no deal we made.”’

Read more …

http://www.infowars.com/sen-harry-reid-bundy-dispute-not-over/

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Flashback: Sen. Reid Breaks Ground for Nevada Solar Farm Near Bundy Ranch


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‘Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), who was exposed last Friday as the
mastermind behind the Bureau of Land Management’s persecution of Nevada
rancher Cliven Bundy, can be seen in this March 2014 photo breaking ground for a
new solar farm near the Bundy Ranch, emphasizing that the senator’s plan for solar
projects in Nevada wasn’t just limited to the shelved solar farm near Laughlin.

Signaling the first day of construction of the Moapa Southern Paiute Solar Project,
which is about 35 miles from the Bundy homestead in Bunkerville, Nevada, Sen.
Reid joined representatives from the Moapa Band of Paiutes, executives from First
Solar, Inc. and the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power for the
groundbreaking ceremony on March 21.

“First Solar is thrilled to celebrate this important milestone with Sen. Reid and
distinguished guests, and honored to work with the Moapa Band of Paiutes on this
landmark project,” Jim Hughes, the CEO of First Solar, said at the time.

The development of solar farms just like this one is exactly why Sen. Reid was
using the BLM, whose director is Reid’s former senior advisor, to push Bundy out of
the Gold Butte area his family has worked for over 140 years.’

Read more …

http://www.infowars.com/flashback-sen-reid-breaks-ground-for-nevada-solar-farm-near-bundy-ranch/
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Barack Obama and the BLM Land Grab: The Evil Agenda of Communist Takeover



‘Though there may have been a time when this was somewhat true, during the
Barack Obama presidency this theory has been ripped to shreds.

Harry Reid and the Bureau of Land Management are easy targets in the Cliven
Bundy land grab case but, as usual, there are higher powers that are pulling the
strings. The White House was quiet during this incident, which should have been
our first clue that Barack Obama was involved and simply attempting to avoid the
bad public relations that might result.

But, before I get to Obama, I want to suggest an article. All of the details of Harry
Reid and the Chinese company, that is looking to open solar manufacturing and
service in Nevada, first emerged in April of 2012. It has been two years. The
original Bloomberg story goes deeper than anything I have seen in the past few
days. If you have some time, it is worth a read. I will give you a brief snippet here
that will give you a good idea of why Clark County was willing to sell to the Chinese.’

Read more …

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/barack-obama-and-the-blm-land-grab-the-evil-agenda-of-communist-takeover_042014

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

Cidersomerset
15th April 2014, 10:50
Bureaucracy.........


BLM Attempting to Seize 90,000 Acres of Texas Ranchers’ Land!

Tuesday 15th April 2014 at 04:24 By David Icke


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Gardener
15th April 2014, 12:12
Also isn't this 'creeping agenda 21', establishing cattle (human beings) free areas?

Snowflower
15th April 2014, 13:19
Mike Adams of Natural News has written five new "Rules of Engagement.
http://www.naturalnews.com/044728_federal_agents_rules_of_engagement_new_medi a.html

Here's the fifth:


Rule #5) You will only have the cooperation of the People by their choice, not by coercion

The final rule in all this is something most feds will never quite understand. In most cases, federal agents receive cooperation from citizens by choice, not by force. For example, I have voluntarily provided information to the U.S. Department of Justice on criminal scams taking place in the natural products industry. I do this by choice, not by force, because it is the right thing to do and because it serves the public interest.

When federal agents make requests upon American citizens, there is a moment in which those requests are parsed for congruency with a person's perceived understanding of both the law and moral justice. If a federal agent's request is in alignment with law and moral justice, it will likely be voluntarily followed. For example, I (lawfully) carry a concealed firearm every time I visit the Austin airport. If a crazy person goes nuts with a machete at the airport, and I find myself side by side with an armed federal agent, have no doubt I will voluntarily cooperate with federal law enforcement officers in a joint armed effort to halt the violence of the armed assailant and thereby protect innocent people. (And being Austin, Texas, the machete-wielder will likely find himself riddled with bullets because hundreds of honorable, armed citizens carry concealed weapons at the Austin airport every single day.)

On the other hand, if a federal agent approaches me and orders me to rob a bank for him, I will tell him no. Why? Surely the agent can claim he is "giving me a lawful order" and I therefore must obey under law, correct? Yet when that "lawful order" stands at odds with what I know to be morally right, I will choose not to obey that order, regardless of what excuse the agent invokes.

This is precisely what happened at Bundy Ranch. BLM showed up with "lawful orders" backed up by two different (federal) courts. But the People did not perceive those order as being morally justified. Therefore, they chose not to recognize those orders as being lawful. As was the case at Bundy Ranch, Americans can and do think for themselves in such scenarios, and at any moment, they may decide that YOUR actions as a federal agent are grossly unlawful, immoral or unconstitutional. If enough people arrive at the same conclusion, you will sooner or later find yourself surrounded and possibly arrested by the People at gunpoint.

This concept does not compute with many federal agents because they were not taught the real roots of power in a free society. They are taught that a law written on a piece of paper is an absolute, irrefutable power which can never be questioned by lowly "civilians." In reality, a law is nothing more than mutual consent of the governed. That consent, it turns out, can be invoked at any time if those who apply the law do so in a way that is egregious or unreasonable. All government power comes from the People, after all, and can therefore be revoked by the People if government becomes abusive or overreaching in its exercising of that power.

Laws mean nothing, after all, if they are not based on a sense of justice which can be recognized by the Common Man (or woman). The U.S. government, for example, once had laws on the books which said that blacks were not fully recognized as people. Such laws fly in the face of spiritual truth, and had I been an independent media reporter in the 1820's, I would have been aggressively arguing for equal rights among all people, regardless of their skin color (and I would have been aggressively attacked by the establishment for defending such a "crazy" idea, of course).

Those are the new rules of engagement. Please send this article to your favorite fed. The more of them who read this and understand it, the greater chance we all have for lasting peace and avoidance of bloodshed caused by an arrogant, out-of-control federal government that has lost its way.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/044728_federal_agents_rules_of_engagement_new_medi a.html#ixzz2yxcL7r7I

Snowflower
15th April 2014, 13:34
I noticed some stuff about that mainstream blip posted above with Harry Reid. First - they couldn't even be bothered to find a picture of cows out in the desert west. The only grass that green in Nevada is in someone's suburban yard. Second, they simply copied the Fed's claim of "1 million dollar fine" without bothering to do the math and find out it's about $300,000. Of course, there could be the little matter of interest added. Third Harry Reid looks sick, old, and like a scrawny rooster sticking his neck out, but had nothing real to say. Fourth, I am amazed that I used to watch that stuff and believe it!

Jake
15th April 2014, 13:56
The simple fact that our government agencies have these signs made up in mass,,, should tell us that this is NOT over... How does the National Park Service, or the BLM justify stripping us of 1st amendment rights???

http://www.rants.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/320px-First_amendment_area_Muir_Woods.jpghttp://www.dreamoutloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/MED_FirstAmendmentExpressionArea.jpghttp://www.duluthnewstribune.com/sites/default/files/styles/vert_350/public/fieldimages/7/0221/bentleyville1124c1500px.jpg?itok=oqa98eKChttp://www.policestateusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/BundyRanch7.jpg


Hey Feds,,, THIS is the 1st Amendment Zone!!!!

http://palin4america.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/FirstAmendmentZone-e1397269682842.jpg


Keep it up,,, and we will extend the Zone to this!!!!!!! :) :) :)

http://www.creativecrash.com/system/photos/000/041/620/41620/big/red_earth_globe_01.jpg?1251153356

Rocky_Shorz
15th April 2014, 15:52
so Bill now we've watched their actions and our reactions...

you said from the beginning, to keep your head if SHTF, what is the secret of calming a crowd that is being fed poisonous propaganda to keep everyone angry enough to fight?

what I did notice was the whole country was behind Bundy until the Tea Party got involved and that's when the educated walked away...

that's when the divide started between the public.

We were all focused on the fracking operations until the lies started pouring out of alt media, fed by the Koch Political control center, Icke hasn't changed tone or his stand against China solar, I didn't think Rockefeller boys would side with Koch...

risveglio
15th April 2014, 16:24
It's funny that the crazy left, even on Avalon, is trying the same tricks about the Koch brothers that the insane right did a few years ago about Soros. More proof that they are both in the same boat, playing the same stupid game and want no solutions for the world other than to keep up a phony fight.

Rocky_Shorz
15th April 2014, 16:29
Koch owns patent rights for every fracking operation in the world, the more the merrier...

go back a page and read what I shared about their meeting just before this standoff, it is all just a political game and the tea party will pay the price for it, sorry but I say it like I see it.

I'd be a Tea Party myself, except it is a perverted political machine that is doing nothing for the country except cause problems...

maybe after the Fed Reserve falls, Ron Paul will step back in and push the Kochs out of the way...

risveglio
15th April 2014, 16:36
Koch owns patent rights for every fracking operation in the world, the more the merrier...

go back a page and read what I shared about their meeting just before this standoff, it is all just a political game and the tea party will pay the price for it, sorry but I say it like I see it.

I'd be a Tea Party myself, except it is a perverted political machine that is doing nothing for the country except cause problems...

maybe after the Fed Reserve falls, Ron Paul will step back in and push the Kochs out of the way...

How is your garbage any different than the garbage the right was spewing about Soros? Did you just study Glenn Beck and change Soros to Koch? Are the Koch brothers evil demons like some claimed that Soros was the devil? Even after proof that your fracking stories are bull****, you still spew them. WAKE THE **** UP.

Rocky_Shorz
15th April 2014, 16:42
unlike most in the alternate media forums, I take nothing at face value, and everything that has ever spun the tea party, has turned out to be a lie...

I consider all of you friends, and when I see friends ready to grab a gun and run out to get killed, I will share the truth to see if it changes their mind.

I am at a level in this world battle I know you don't understand, and that's ok, I really only want those around me staying grounded and keeping their heads...

I beat up Soros too, I'm in the 99% sitting in the middle pissed at both sides


now let me explain Right and Left Politics... Every country explains it different so let's clear it up right now...

the Right stands for Peace and keeping things the same, the left is the Rebels and Warmongers that demand changes...

US democracy is failing because the War mongers have stepped to the religious side on the right, so there is no balance between war and peace...

but that wasn't enough, so they hijacked the tea party that should be far left and turned them into their stooges...

We the People are stuck in the middle pumped full of confusion by the media fed to us by both sides...

that is the deeper agenda...

Carmody
15th April 2014, 18:53
I was just told that it was the Koch Brothers who financed (was behind) the militia getting to that area. organizing, them, etc. Ie, providing impetus, behind the scenes.

Which indicates a SERIOUS problem with who is backing what, for what given reason.

If it's the Koch brothers involved in anything, then you are getting quite strongly into the area of hidden hands and total dirt-bag behavior of the worst elitist kind.

Basically, if that is the case......then it is a case of all sides of this thing being staged and gamed, a dance/game/play-acting/direction, just out if sight of the general public.


Any thoughts on this?

Rocky_Shorz
15th April 2014, 19:00
Well Koch Industries didn't get to buy any wells, but Bush's buddy did... ;)

maybe he fought to keep the ranch there until he can arrange to buy his way in...

thunder24
15th April 2014, 20:28
like i said earlier, hope the dogg isn't getting wagged here, like old shoe... intuition says someone has the tail of this puppy in their hands and shakeing it like a martini at my favorite bar...


I was just told that it was the Koch Brothers who financed (was behind) the militia getting to that area. organizing, them, etc. Ie, providing impetus, behind the scenes.

Which indicates a SERIOUS problem with who is backing what, for what given reason.

If it's the Koch brothers involved in anything, then you are getting quite strongly into the area of hidden hands and total dirt-bag behavior of the worst elitist kind.

Basically, if that is the case......then it is a case of all sides of this thing being staged and gamed, a dance/game/play-acting/direction, just out if sight of the general public.


Any thoughts on this?

Jake
15th April 2014, 22:22
1st Amendment Zone!!!!!!!!

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Paul
15th April 2014, 23:50
I was just told that it was the Koch Brothers who financed (was behind) the militia getting to that area. organizing, them, etc. Ie, providing impetus, behind the scenes.

Which indicates a SERIOUS problem with who is backing what, for what given reason.

If it's the Koch brothers involved in anything, then you are getting quite strongly into the area of hidden hands and total dirt-bag behavior of the worst elitist kind.

Basically, if that is the case......then it is a case of all sides of this thing being staged and gamed, a dance/game/play-acting/direction, just out if sight of the general public.


Any thoughts on this?

Sounds plausible to me.

A couple of possibilities come to my mind.

Perhaps the Kock brothers and their ilk expected the militia that they brought in, and that the Sheriff then lied to, would start shooting, justifying a summer of rage This would be the setup that I documented above and the summer of rage that Bill Ryan described above.

Or perhaps the Kock brothers and their ilk are quite content to have the militia take an apparent win here, the better to polarize Americans further, increasing the fuel of emotional division being fed into this impending collision. This would be just another means to the same end, the summer of rage in 2014.

Actually, it doesn't matter much whether they anticipated that no shot would be fired.

They see it now, and they no doubt are scheming to make more trouble, shed more blood, incite more riot and tyranny.

13th Warrior
16th April 2014, 01:59
Koch owns patent rights for every fracking operation in the world, the more the merrier...

go back a page and read what I shared about their meeting just before this standoff, it is all just a political game and the tea party will pay the price for it, sorry but I say it like I see it.

I'd be a Tea Party myself, except it is a perverted political machine that is doing nothing for the country except cause problems...

maybe after the Fed Reserve falls, Ron Paul will step back in and push the Kochs out of the way...

Which Tea Party ate you referring to?

The co-opted Sarah Palin, Neocon Tea Party or the grass roots Ron Paul/Alex Jones Tea Party?

Paul
16th April 2014, 02:22
I'd be a Tea Party myself, except it is a perverted political machine that is doing nothing for the country except cause problems...

maybe after the Fed Reserve falls, Ron Paul will step back in and push the Kochs out of the way...

Which Tea Party ate you referring to?

The co-opted Sarah Palin, Neocon Tea Party or the grass roots Ron Paul/Alex Jones Tea Party?

I think it is quite clear from what Rocky wrote that he's in agreement with you, that original Tea Party has been co-opted.

Rocky_Shorz
16th April 2014, 04:05
and so it begins...


<National Report>Mesquite, Nevada–The standoff in Nevada reached new heights this afternoon as armed federal agents began arresting militia members gathered to protest in support of Cliven Bundy.

In total, 16 protesters taking part in the rally are reportedly in custody and being held without bail on domestic terrorism charges, resisting arrest, creating a public nuisance, and trespassing. County and city officials in the area have not yet released a statement on the arrests or the names of those arrested. Early reports indicate that protesters were verbally and physically abused prior to being arrested. Communications have been difficult and local media outlets are scrambling for more details.

Federal agent Paul Horner, a 14-year veteran of the force, spoke with National Report by phone and had this to say: “Under direct orders from the FBI and the DOJ, on behalf of the BLM, we have infiltrated the crowd with armed undercover agents. The agents are collecting intel and coordinating that information with drones that are also overseeing the disturbance. In addition, we have positively identified approximately 85% of the crowd and are running background checks for previous violations, warrants, etc. License plate numbers of protesters are being collected and entered into the national database as well. These right-wing extremists pose a serious threat to the safety of the operation and we have orders to make arrests and confiscate firearms.”

Don Campbell, a participant in the protest stated, ”I haven’t seen anything like it in my life. The protesters seem to have been minding their business and those agents did not appear to be local guys.” When asked to describe the victims, Mr. Campbell replied “two of them were middle-aged ladies and one of them appeared to be a teenage boy. The other three were heavier set middle-aged white men.” According to Campbell, the officers were taking turns ridiculing the victims and at one point even pepper-sprayed two of the older men before placing them in flex-tie restraints and escorting them to nearby squad cars. Don referred to the scene as “modern-day fascism” and suggested the officers may have been federal agents sent directly from the Obama Administration in an attempt to silence opposition... Tea anyone? (http://nationalreport.net/multiple-militia-members-arrested-bundy-ranch-charged-domestic-terrorism/#sthash.nW5Toh1E.dpuf)

Rocky_Shorz
16th April 2014, 05:10
The Tea Party Newsletter just arrived, a White House insider released video on why Obama wants the cows off Bundy Ranch...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7bmpo6zFuQ

Paul
16th April 2014, 05:53
The Tea Party Newsletter just arrived, a White House insider released video on why Obama wants the cows off Bundy Ranch...
Awesome !

That flying brown projectile at 1:24 reminds me of a time that I walked behind a cow in the barn that had a nasty case of diarrhea ... she missed me ... by about the same amount. The white washed wall next to me was no longer white.

Then there was the time that a cow that I was moving out of the barn took a strong kick at me, as I stood directly behind her. I can still remember the site of the bottom of her hoof, about 4 inches in front of my nose, dirt (and stuff) flying off into my face. Another miss. My dad looked over, from about 10 feet away, saying nothing (he was a man of few words, and there was nothing to say), but we both knew that it would be best not to relate this event to my mother.

NancyV
16th April 2014, 06:10
Multiple Militia Members ‘Arrested at Bundy Ranch, Charged with Domestic Terrorism’ is Fake; Cliven Bundy Protest Report is Satire

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/623400-multiple-militia-members-arrested-at-bundy-ranch-charged-with-domestic-terrorism-is-fake-cliven-bundy-satire-goes-viral/

A satirical article saying that “multiple militia members” were arrested at Cliven Bundy’s ranch in Nevada and 16 protesters charged with “domestic terrorism” has gone viral.

The article about protesters getting arrested was published on fake news website The National Report.

“The standoff in Nevada reached new heights this afternoon as armed federal agents began arresting militia members gathered to protest in support of Cliven Bundy,” the “satire” article reads. “In total, 16 protesters taking part in the rally are reportedly in custody and being held without bail on domestic terrorism charges, resisting arrest, creating a public nuisance, and trespassing. County and city officials in the area have not yet released a statement on the arrests or the names of those arrested.”

The National Report has a disclaimer, which it has since taken down, saying it doesn’t publish real news. However, the old disclaimer can be accessed via Archive.org.

“DISCLAIMER: National Report is a news and political satire web publication, which may or may not use real names, often in semi-real or mostly fictitious ways. All news articles contained within National Report are fiction, and presumably fake news. Any resemblance to the truth is purely coincidental,” the disclaimer reads.

The Bundy ranch article had several thousand shares and “likes” on Facebook on Tuesday.

On its front page, The National Report has articles with titles such as “Biden Nearly Chosen Over Colbert to Replace Letterman” and “Missing Malaysian Airliner Discovered in Benghazi,” which both have no truth to them. The website’s front page article says, “Oscar Pistorius Found Guilty Of All Charges In Murder Of Reeva Steenkamp”–despite the Pistorius trial not having been concluded yet.
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I think you probably get a lot of your news from this website, Rocky. Thanks for the laughs.

Rocky_Shorz
16th April 2014, 06:29
The Tea Party Newsletter just arrived, a White House insider released video on why Obama wants the cows off Bundy Ranch...
Awesome !

That flying brown projectile at 1:24 reminds me of a time that I walked behind a cow in the barn that had a nasty case of diarrhea ... she missed me ... by about the same amount. The white washed wall next to me was no longer white.

Then there was the time that a cow that I was moving out of the barn took a strong kick at me, as I stood directly behind her. I can still remember the site of the bottom of her hoof, about 4 inches in front of my nose, dirt (and stuff) flying off into my face. Another miss. My dad looked over, from about 10 feet away, saying nothing (he was a man of few words, and there was nothing to say), but we both knew that it would be best not to relate this event to my mother.

wow, you must have gotten one of those special Mormon Ninja Cows from the Bundy Ranch, that's why PTB leaves you alone, it's the bodyguard...

Rocky_Shorz
16th April 2014, 06:43
On its front page, The National Report has articles with titles such as “Biden Nearly Chosen Over Colbert to Replace Letterman” and “Missing Malaysian Airliner Discovered in Benghazi,” which both have no truth to them. The website’s front page article says, “Oscar Pistorius Found Guilty Of All Charges In Murder Of Reeva Steenkamp”–despite the Pistorius trial not having been concluded yet. (http://nationalreport.net/obama-uses-money-open-muslim-museum-amid-government-shutdown/)

I think you probably get a lot of your news from this website, Rocky. Thanks for the laughs.

I like the Onion, so stumbling across that one was fun...

Paul
16th April 2014, 08:36
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From http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-warns-feds-could-launch-waco-style-assault-against-bundy/




Ron Paul Warns Feds Could Launch Waco-Style Assault Against Bundy

Ron Paul appeared on Fox News with Neil Cavuto last night to warn that the federal government could be planning to launch a Waco-style assault against Nevada cattle rancher Cliven Bundy.
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Expressing hope that last week’s events, during which Bundy supporters faced down armed BLM agents and forced them to release Bundy’s cattle, represented a new benchmark for Americans standing up against federal government intrusion, the former Congressman suggested that it would be naive to think that the feds have thrown in the towel.

“They may come back with a lot more force like they did at Waco with the Davidians,” said Paul, adding that he hoped the situation remained non-violent.

Host Neil Cavuto remarked that the potential for violence across the United States was on a “very slight trigger,” to which Paul responded, “That’s the great fear….especially if the financial crisis gets much worse which I anticipate.”

Paul
16th April 2014, 08:43
Feds Desperate to Hide Harry Reid Link to Bundy Land Grab
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The feds are so desperate to hide Harry Reid's connection to a Communist Chinese energy company linked to the Cliven Bundy land grab, they are now even deleting Google's cached version of an explosive document originally deleted from the BLM website.

Cidersomerset
16th April 2014, 12:06
Ron Paul Warns Feds Could Launch Waco-Style Assault In Nevada

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Published on 16 Apr 2014


Ron Paul Warns Feds Could Launch Waco-Style Assault Against Bundy
http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-warn...

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TNWO Empire will strike back.......

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Paul
16th April 2014, 13:50
There are a couple dozen high resolution images of the recent Bundy Ranch standoff with the BLM at 21stcenturywire.com:

http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/04/14/exclusive-new-images-of-blm-warzone-expose-feds-military-fiasco-in-nevada/
http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/04/16/part-2-behind-the-lines-photos-of-dc-federales-preparing-to-shoot-americans/

For example, the MRAP of which I posted an example image in my Post #173 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70325-Siege-at-the-Bundy-Ranch-...-Armed-invasion-of-American-land-...-by-the-US-Federal-Government.&p=822619&viewfull=1#post822619) above apparently was this one::
http://thepythoniccow.us/BLM_SWAT_Vehicle.jpg (http://21stcenturywire.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/21WIREb-Bundy-Fed-Standoff-April-12-2014-Copyright-GMN.jpg)
Click on the above image for a high resolution (1,728px × 1,152px) version.

naste.de.lumina
16th April 2014, 14:32
Issa Launches Federal Investigation Into Obama/Reid Involvement in BLM Land Grab - FAKE

naste.de.lumina
17th April 2014, 00:28
Dennis Michael Lynch on The Kelly File w/ exclusive video of Bundy Ranch.

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gripreaper
17th April 2014, 00:42
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4weoG__0fE

http://bundyranch.blogspot.com/

naste.de.lumina
17th April 2014, 01:15
CLINTON/OBAMA CRONIES BEHIND BUNDY SHOWDOWN

High-level Democrats positioned to profit from ‘green’ projects

By JAMES SIMPSON

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Following a weeklong confrontation between protesters and armed agents of the Bureau of Land Management, events at the Bundy ranch in Bunkerville, Nev., came to an abrupt end Saturday when the BLM suddenly threw in the towel and left. Speaking to a local TV news program Monday, Nevada senator and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said (http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/04/14/Harry-Reid-on-Bundy-Ranch-Showdown-It-s-not-Over), “This isn’t over…” And he is certainly correct. The showdown between BLM and Cliven Bundy – the last rancher in Clark County, Nev. – was but the latest battle in a long-running conflict.

Supposedly at issue was the desert tortoise, a reptile on the endangered species list which could not coexist on the land with Bundy’s cattle. But why, many asked, would the turtle suddenly be threatened by animals it had cohabited with for the 100-plus years the Bundy ranch has been in operation?

A BLM document (http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wo/blm_library/tech_notes.Par.29872.File.dat/TN_444.pdf) unearthed last week discusses mitigation strategies for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone. Dry Lake is just southwest of the Bundy ranch. The “mitigation strategy” proposed to use the grazing lands (http://www.scribd.com/doc/217807416/Bundy-II-Map) near the Bundy ranch as a kind of sanctuary for the desert tortoise, because the entire region is slated for a large number of solar, wind and geothermal energy generation facilities. The solar projects especially will obliterate most of the turtle’s natural habitat.

Bloggers quickly made a connection between the effort to remove Bundy’s cattle and a solar energy project located in Southern Nevada and financed by the communist Chinese energy firm ENN. It was to be the largest solar farm in the U.S. Sen. Reid had lobbied heavily for their business, even traveling to China to do so. Reid’s son, formerly a Clark County commissioner, became a lobbyist for ENN, and Reid placed a former senior adviser, Neil Kornze (http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/04/09/nevadan-named-blm-chief/), to lead the BLM, presumably to assure the enterprise’s success.

Seemed like a slam dunk – except a solar energy complex financed by the communist Chinese was not at the heart of the Bundy Ranch fiasco after all. That project died last year (http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/04/09/nevadan-named-blm-chief/). However, the BLM’s library of renewable energy projects (http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wo/MINERALS__REALTY__AND_RESOURCE_PROTECTION_/energy/priority_projects.Par.4003.Fil) accessed by this writer revealed it was only one of more than 50 solar, wind and geothermal projects planned for Nevada, California, Arizona and other Western states. Reid was actually focused on at least one, and maybe more, of these projects, much closer to the Bundy ranch.

He was at the work site on March 21, 2014, to help break ground on the Moapa Southern Paiute Solar Project (http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wo/MINERALS__REALTY__AND_RESOURCE_PROTECTION_/energy/priority_projects.Par.57311.File.tmp/K-Road%20Moapa%20Solar%20ROD.pdf). A close inspection of this project reveals why there is so much interest in the area and why the BLM, presumably at Reid’s urging through his former aide, Kornze, is so intent on getting Bundy off the land.

The leaseholder for this project is K Road Power, LLC (http://www.kroadpower.com/secondary.asp?pageID=2), a New York City-based energy company. An examination of their website finds their business development manager to be none other than Jonathan Magaziner (http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Jonathan-Magaziner/1277686421). Magaziner was formerly an associate at the Clinton Climate Initiative of the William J. Clinton Foundation. He is also the son of Ira Magaziner, former senior policy adviser for Bill Clinton, also now working for the Clinton Foundation on health and environment issues. There are likely other connections to Democratic insiders here.

But that is not all. A company called First Solar (http://www.firstsolar.com/) is listed on a BLM renewable energy project map (http://www.blm.gov/nv/st/en/fo/lvfo/blm_programs/energy/southern_nevada_reco.html) of southern Nevada, one of 11 sited in Clark County. Additionally, the map shows six wind projects in Clark County, and also lists the K Road Moapa project under “transmission projects.” In other words, there is a lot going on, prompting questions as to how the media could miss so much.

First Solar investors (http://greencorruption.blogspot.com/2012/07/the-first-solar-three-billion-dollar.html#.U02gZ6LfLZ2) comprise a who’s who of Democratic insiders, including major Obama campaign bundlers, billionaire investor Paul Tudor Jones, Al Gore, Ted Turner and Goldman Sachs. First Solar’s CEO is Michael Ahearn (http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/maritanoon/2012/07/21/the_first_solar_swindle/page/full), former fundraiser for both Obama and Sen. Harry Reid. First Solar has at least three other solar projects in California. So it becomes apparent why the BLM, Harry Reid and many other interested parties have such an intense interest in the desert tortoise. They see a lot of green, but the kind that lines pockets, not the high desert.

Though missed by virtually all of the media, this explains both why Cliven Bundy has been facing such intense intimidation and why all the other ranchers have been chased out. Bundy represents a financial threat not merely to Harry Reid, but a whole gamut of Democrats tied to Obama, Clinton and Gore.

This is what has been discovered by examining only a few of the 50-plus projects. Doubtless there are similar stories behind some, if not all, of the others. If so – if Democrat-linked entrepreneurs plan to turn the West into a massive arena for green projects – the implications are disturbing: The projects will eventually go as all others have gone before: failing as the unsustainable costs, maintenance problems and unseen environmental catastrophes they create become intolerable. The true goal (http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/2014/04/12/senator-harry-reids-chinese-connection-and-over-3-billion-in-green-energy-corruption/) of “green” energy, say cynics, is to make these people wealthier, not to save the environment.

Whether that turns out to be the case or not, the Bundy story needs far greater and deeper media scrutiny.


Source: http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/clintonobama-cronies-behind-bundy-showdown/

Carmody
17th April 2014, 06:11
But that is not all. A company called First Solar is listed on a BLM renewable energy project map of southern Nevada, one of 11 sited in Clark County. Additionally, the map shows six wind projects in Clark County, and also lists the K Road Moapa project under “transmission projects.” In other words, there is a lot going on, prompting questions as to how the media could miss so much.

That's an easy one.

Since about 1995-2000 or so, ~85% of all investigative journalists have been fired or laid off by the major media companies.

ie, there is 85% LESS investigative journalism going on compared to what we had in the 1990's.

This gives you an idea of the level of uninvestigated and under-investigated corruption.

We think we've got more corruption as compared to before..... but you don't know the half of it.

This all revolves around a law that was passed that allowed major media to not have to report truth. ie, that there are now no penalties for directly lying to the public via national media.

Or, rather, it came to be... via the challenge of a specific court case where a fired investigative journalist sued Fox TV for lying directly to the public (they had been fired for writing and trying to report real news and making real investigations), and it went all the way to the supreme court. Fox called it 'entertainment', and had changed their letterhead on the parent company....and the court bought it.

That this is all now legally under the umbrella of 'entertainment'.

Even the news shows. Especially the news shows.

That precipitated the firing and laying off of the bulk of the investigative journalists.

The moment that higher court decision came down, the firing and laying off of investigative journalists began en-masse, throughout the US news and reporting industry. At the same time the entire industry, ie, all major media began the motion toward being concentrated into the hands of a total of six people (which is where we are now in the USA-See the university of Ohio study on this), as the law preventing too much concentration of power, to avoid corruption in the media... was struck down by the Bush II administration.

What this means, is there is no investigative news teams out there, in the US media, anymore. there are only spin doctors who create a story based on what they think they can tell people as a cover story, in the bulk of any important situations, and then everyone repeats the exact same story, many times it is word for word identical... Across the entire spectrum of 'news' outlets.

Paul
17th April 2014, 06:21
Alex is reporting in his latest video that Sen. Harry Reid's son is involved in an energy production (scam) project with Communist Chinese investors that includes the exact property being land-grabbed by the BLM.


However there are Solar Energy Zones (SEZ) where large solar array farms are or were planned, much closer to the Bundy Ranch.



A Chinese-backed company is pulling the plug on a multibillion-dollar solar project near Laughlin after it was unable to find customers for the power that would have been generated there, a Clark County spokesman said Friday.


This isn't for energy for Americans; this is for investment in a post-American world..


I am seriously considering that whoever is negotiating the sellout of PUBLIC lands in Nevada (and many other places) do not care who is financially backing the project(s)!! Either way, it seems that the heat is still ON, in Nevada, when it comes to getting this cattle rancher off of public lands...


I think Dave's article or part of it, deserves more attention

The Bundy Affair Is the Tip of the Iceberg To What’s Coming (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70325-Siege-at-the-Bundy-Ranch-...-Armed-invasion-of-American-land-...-by-the-US-Federal-Government.&p=822109&viewfull=1#post822109)

By Dave Hodges - April 13, 2014.


The current leadership wants to create [2014] as “the summer of rage.”

From another Dave Hodges post The Chinese Are Here to Confiscate Our Guns (http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/04/15/the-chinese-are-here-to-confiscate-our-guns/):

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In Part three of this series on the Bundy affair and what it reveals about the intentions of the Chines military, we look at the fact that the Chinese Solar Energy Zones are located adjacent to an American military base. We examine the ramifications for this placement and the reader can rest assured that this is no coincidence.

Bundy Achieves Victory but the Event Reveals a Sinister Agenda
As thousands of sheriffs, militia members and state legislators rushed to the aid of Cliven Bundy, plans are already in place to limit any citizen uprising. We know that the feds recorded license plates and engaged in facial recognition of the people on the scene who were actively supporting Cliven Bundy. This is a very disturbing development when one considers that Obama has been proposing preventative and prolonged detention (i.e. pre-crime) for people who “might” pose a future threat. This is the justification for the usage of FEMA camps.

My sources tell me that the current Obama purge of the military, over 200+ high command military officers and counting, is due to the fact that many commanders have threatened to “stand down” over several issues including Obama’s planned invasion of Syria. Until Obama has a military he can trust to betray the American people, he must rely on foreign (i.e. UN) assets in order to carry out any controversial activities such as door-to-door gun confiscation.

The UN Is Setting the Gun Confiscation Agenda

The UN is imposing limits on ammunition and magazines for all member nations. However, in joint training exercises being conducted between the US military forces and various foreign military forces, they are indeed going to the next level by training to seize American guns being stored in American homes. And, in the future, these foreign troops will likely consist of Russian and Chinese troops operating under the auspices of the United Nations.

Even FOX News has expressed concern over the UN Treaty which bans guns. The National Rifle Association has expressed their concern as well and for a very good set of reasons.


According to the UN’s own disarmament website, a “regional instrument that aims to curtail small arms ownership and illicit trafficking in Southern Africa along with the destruction of surplus state weapons. It is a far-reaching instrument, which goes beyond that of a politically binding declaration, providing the region with a legal basis upon which to deal with both the legal and the illicit trade in firearms.” The UN is calling for the use of foreign troops to seize guns in member countries

Why Are the Chinese Calling for Stricter Gun Control Laws In the US?

Interestingly, in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook event, the Communist Chinese called for more strict controls over American guns. What? Why would the most repressive regime on the planet, the Communist Chinese, care about gun control in America? Because an emerging set of developments would indicate that the Chinese are going to be spearheading, along with the Russians, gun confiscation on American soil. And since the Chinese military has such a heinous reputation, one can assume that they will be carrying out gun confiscation with extreme prejudice. And now they have troops on our soil.

Why Are the Chinese In the RIMPAC War Games?

The next set of RIMPAC war games, the largest war games in the in the world, are set to commence this year. One of the features of the RIMPAC war games is to conduct a joint military exercise in preparation to fight the Chinese and Russians in the Pacific. Therefore, one has to seriously question why the RIMPAC games have invited the Chinese and the Russians to participate.


Are we to naively believe that the Russians and the Chinese are training to fight the Russians and the Chinese in the Pacific?
Why would we be showing the Chinese and the Russians our secretly held plans to specifically fight them in the Pacific? This is absolute treason! It is treason unless there is now another overriding objective behind the RIMPAC games.

The Chinese are on American soil for one reason, they are being integrated into an international “peacekeeping force”, formerly known as the RIMPAC war games, which will eventually be controlled by the United Nations. This is where the formal integration of American-based Chinese military forces into an international “peace keeping force” will become official this year. This will mark the first time that the communist regime, that is responsible for murdering more innocent people than any other country in human history, will have its military and war ships participating in the “RIMPAC war games” off the US coast. Russian troops are also participating in this multinational force. RIMPAC occurs after we allowed the Chinese and the Russians observe the vulnerabilities of the power grid during the Grid EX II drill. The RIMPAC war games are the largest war games in the world. It is not far-fetched at all to believe that RIMPAC is morphing into an international “peacekeeping force” under the control of the United Nations since the original purpose, training to fight Russians and Chinese, is obviously no longer the purpose.

Now it makes sense why Obama is facing wholesale mutiny from the military and why he has found it necessary to replace as many senior level commanders as possible.


Doesn’t this explain why the Chinese are being given Solar Energy Zones in locations which are adjacent to a major US military base?

When one considers the implications of the Chinese participation in Grid EX II, the RIMPAC war games along with Chinese government’s comments regarding the need for gun control in the US, speaks to the Chinese as being the enforcers of the UN Small Arms Treaty Ban. Secretary of State John Kerry illegally signed this UN treaty without the required Senate ratification.

Conclusion

The Bundy Affair has exposed a much deeper agenda involving the Chinese. They have a military presence on our soil at the inland ports. Their troops train in Mexico and Canada, and soon we will see Chinese troops in these newly designated Solar Energy Zones. Is the presence of the Solar Energy Zones next to a major American military base, referenced in the two previous articles, a case of blending the Chinese military with the American military? Or, is it a precursor to invasion? Flip a coin. Either way, the Chinese call for tighter gun control in America and their presence on American soil, is a major cause for concern that these two events are not merely a coincidence and the Chinese will spearhead a gun confiscation effort inside of the US.

Do I need to remind the readers that there were 17 genocides in the world in the 20th century and that every one of these genocides followed a gun confiscation effort on the part of the offending country? When we begin to connect the numerous dots, it is difficult to not believe the Chinese are here to disarm the American people.

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Go to the original Dave Hodges post for embedded links and relevant images: The Chinese Are Here to Confiscate Our Guns (http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/04/15/the-chinese-are-here-to-confiscate-our-guns/)

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My (Paul's) thoughts on this:



The persistent conspiracy forecast that "they are coming to get our guns" has never made sense to me.

We (the US) have the most powerful military on the planet, and one of the better armed civilian populations on the planet. There's no way in Hades they are coming to take our guns. A herd of gazelles would have a better chance coming to take the teeth from a large tribe of lions. No way!

Yes, way ...

A one world government requires several "one world" functions. Personally, I've been focusing more on the economics and financials, than on the military and police functions. I'd rather count than shoot.

For this one world thing to work, something such as a United Nations "Peace" Keeping force most become the dominant armed institution within the United States, and anywhere else that isn't compliant.

For that to work, (1) the US Military must be controlled and compromised, and (2) the American gun owner and their fellow patriots, militia, tea party members, constitutionalists, etc, etc, must subjugated.

The control of the US Military appears (I hope appearances are deceiving) well along, at least at the higher command levels.

To subjugate the remaining Americans who can still shoot a gun or read a Constitution (*), those Americans "terrorists" must be deamonized in the minds of the rest of Americans, justifying a war, a real killing war, on these "terrorists" ... and that's exactly what they will be called ... "terrorists" ... justifying both legally and in the minds of the other Americans the invocation of already passed laws to interrogate, imprison (FEMA camps (http://beforeitsnews.com/u-s-politics/2014/04/tick-tock-fema-camps-here-the-question-you-need-to-ask-is-not-if-they-exist-but-what-is-their-purpose-2467368.html)), torture, murder or bomb, without legal recourse, these terrorists.

The subjugation will be brutal. Or it will fail. The bastards in power can't wait for the usual three generations that it takes to re-educate a large population gently.

That's what the "summer of rage" must accomplish, divide America, so that half of America will demand the subjugation of the other half, so that America can be made subservient to an international "peace" keeping force.

We are at war for the hearts and minds of the people of America.

Now put the following sentence of Dave Hodges, from his above post, in this context:
The Chinese are on American soil for one reason, they are being integrated into an international “peacekeeping force”, formerly known as the RIMPAC war games, which will eventually be controlled by the United Nations.
Hodges reports in the above post that the Russians are part of these RIMPAC war games as well, forming the largest war games in the world.

That's why the US Government is so keen to own more land next to their existing bases, to provide more space for these so called UN Peace Keepers. All unwelcome trespassing people, and cows, must be kept OFF. It has nothing to do with tortoises (obviously) and probably nothing to do with solar panels either.


(*) ... or administer a website seeking the truth ...