Chronic Fatigue Syndrome -- The Deadly Cycle

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Good morning/afternoon, world -- (sorry for my USA-centric threads lately).

***CHRONIC FATIGUE***
"A most cruel way to die."


...The fatigue may worsen with physical or mental activity, but doesn't improve with rest. ~Mayo Clinic

...Symptoms affect several body systems and may include weakness, muscle pain, impaired memory and/or mental concentration, and insomnia, which can result in reduced participation in daily activities.


Symptoms of CFS include malaise after exertion; unrefreshing sleep, widespread muscle and joint pain, sore throat, headaches of a type not previously experienced, cognitive difficulties, chronic and severe mental and physical exhaustion, and other characteristic symptoms in a previously healthy and active person. Additional symptoms may be reported, including muscle weakness, increased sensitivity to light, sounds and smells, orthostatic intolerance, digestive disturbances, depression, painful and often slightly swollen lymph nodes, cardiac and respiratory problems.[7] It is unclear if these symptoms represent co-morbid conditions or if they are produced by an underlying etiology of CFS.[5] CFS symptoms vary in number, type, and severity from person to person.[8]

Quality of life of persons with CFS can be extremely compromised.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_fatigue_syndrome
http://www.cdc.gov/cfs/
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/chronic-fatigue-syndrome/basics/definition/con-20022009

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Hi PA! Sorry for my arseholimood last night/last week. This thread is just another CFS discussion, but with a personal slant on the disorder.



~We know all about bipolar, we know a little about autism, we know about Polio, AIDS, cancer etc. (at least what we're ABLE to find out about those) and of course we THINK these are all "separate issues", but do people really understand chronic fatigue?
Do they acknowledge that within science, there can be NO SUCH THING as a "mystery disease". Red flag number one. Any time you see "mystery illness" you are seeing propaganda. Because out there in RL or cyberspace, rest assured (unlike CFS victims) that SOMEONE KNOWS exactly what causes chronic fatigue syndrome.



Back when my great-grandparents walked the earth, and tilled it to grow food for their kids, people would have laughed at a disease like "chronic fatigue", and at best would have considered it a death sentence in the pioneer world.



Chronic fatigue syndrome really IS a death sentence, if it's unmanaged.
It's like having a GORILLA on your back -- not as "busy" as the monkey, no, but many more times as heavy. And it is this general "weight", the malaise and depression of feeling so tired, that yields the plethora of symptoms which accompany chronic fatigue syndrome as the disease slowly tears the human body to pieces under the strain of being unable to meet its own energy needs.


People like to talk about free energy here a lot. :) Yay!

But the first step toward having "free energy", you guys, is knowing where energy is wasted.

If you can see, visualize, where your personal energy is "leaking" away and being wasted by outside forces, you have the very first weapon in the personal arsenal needed to establish free energy.



Now, I am talking really about the disease of chronic fatigue, not the global free energy movement so much -- although many of us wish for success in that area -- because if we don't have healthy bodies, how can we even begin to enjoy the other aspects of human experience?

(my neighbors down the hall are fighting eek -- mexican family, most of them don't fight much here, but this one couple is having trouble coping with their family)



Anyhow, I am tired just writing this thread -- I've been without my Cannabis Rx for about 3 weeks (minus ash tray which isn't a good resource) and in that time, I've stopped exercising, stopped managing my healthy diet, and have felt tired even when I am sleeping well.

Although I do not like being known as a cannabis user, the truth is, whatever qualities it has seems to help my CFS-like symptoms. I feel better appetite, have healthier bowel movements, more sex drive and beyond that a real need for quality exercise, I feel less "tied down" physically, etc. I truly believe the herb gives humans part of its life energy and quantum connectedness with the earth, and on top of that, it has numerous anti-viral and hormone/neurotransmitter-boosting properties.


But not everyone with CFS will consider cannabis as a treatment or be willing to become a patient. So I guess I am wondering, are there PA people with this disease, how have you been treating it, is it killing you slowly the way it seems to be killing me, and have doctors tried calling it other things, i.e. older labels, psych slap-ons, etc.


'Cause I dunno about you guys, but I am sick of feeling like **** every other week, regardless of what medications are or are not used -- I haven't been feeling better -- negative changes seem to "set off" a CFS attack, because the body is deathly afraid of conflict reducing its precious hoard of reserved energy...

So it's super easy for quacks to look at a CFS victim and say "it's all in your head".


Any other PA people with tried-and-true Chronic Fatigue?
any other VETERANS on PA w/ fatigue? even a small bit?
Tired of blaming myself for this "mystery disease" sucking the soul out of me.


I
Need
Your
Help.

lol :usa2: :ranger: :cell: :p

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Some links about people attempting to treat with cannabis (not a cure but a bandaid that works and has to be reapplied)

http://medicalmarijuana.com/medical-marijuana-treatments/CFS


Headaches of a new kind or greater severity
• Sore throat, frequent or recurring
• Tender lymph nodes (cervical or axillary)
• Other common symptoms include:
• Irritable bowel, abdominal pain, nausea, diarrhea or bloating
• Chills and night sweats (4 years ago i had the worst night sweats you've ever seen in your life ~Tesla)
• Brain fog
• Chest pain
• Shortness of breath
• Chronic cough
• Visual disturbances (blurring, sensitivity to light, eye pain or dry eyes)
• Allergies or sensitivities to foods, alcohol, odors, chemicals, medications or noise
• Difficulty maintaining upright position (orthostatic instability, irregular heartbeat, dizziness, balance problems or fainting)
• Psychological problems (depression, irritability, mood swings, anxiety, panic attacks)


http://forum.grasscity.com/medical-marijuana-usage-applications/666371-medical-marijuana-myalgic-encephalopathy-chronic-fatigue-syndrome.html

http://www.patient.co.uk/forums/discuss/cannabis-for-chronic-fatigue-and-pain-39570






please be open minded about this


http://www.webmd.com/fibromyalgia/guide/fibromyalgia-and-medical-marijuana

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

sometimes people with CFS will display a huge burst of energy, which is the unconscious trying to accomplish the magnum opus before the body dies.

[Tyy1907]

I get some of those symptoms at times. I'm also on anti-anxiety meds , don't know if that's related. I find exercise helps (I do weights). Your muscles get sore but you do somehow get more energy. Also I find cardio exercise - when I'm really huffing and puffing- helps me to kind of clear my mind. Helps my mind and my body. That combined with regular vegetable eating helps for me. Hang in there! What doesn't kill us makes us stronger! Take care Tesla

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I get some of those symptoms at times. I'm also on anti-anxiety meds , don't know if that's related. I find exercise helps (I do weights). Your muscles get sore but you do somehow get more energy. Also I find cardio exercise - when I'm really huffing and puffing- helps me to kind of clear my mind. Helps my mind and my body. That combined with regular vegetable eating helps for me. Hang in there! What doesn't kill us makes us stronger! Take care Tesla

thanks for this. my urge was to go running, but i managed to injure my knee slightly.
so running is hard and i am getting pissed. might try to get a bike soon to counter the knee injury.
but .... bikes aren't free. lol.

so getting off PA long enough to post Ebay in the satanic marketplace (lol) for a bike.... tsk choices choices.

XD

p.s. anti anxiety is a good descriptor for MMJ. it's virtually my use for it.
feeling good (for once) and not feeling down (anxious).

[Tyy1907]

If the robots I work for didn't have a drug policy I would DEFINATELY consider the herbs. There's a guy at work that is working on getting an exemption to this rule. Got me thinking here......

[Wind]

How timely of you, Rachel! I've been studying this subject lately a lot because chronic fatigue has been my companion for the greater part of my life, over the years it has gradually gotten only worse. I try to eat healthy (vegeterian) food and I take quite a few dietary supplements & vitamins. Sometimes I have more energy to do things, but being tired all the time is the normal for me. When I'm totally exhausted which does happen quite often, is very depressing for me. The brain fog is awful and I know the feeling and I do have all the rest of the symptoms you mentioned there. Actually blurry vision right now too. Sometimes my pulse is really high (coffee doesn't help) and quite often I'm just feeling chilly. Even when it's summer I can feel both chilly & hot at the same time. Doctors used to label me just depressed and anxious, but I wasn't tired because I was depressed. I was depressed because I was so tired.

And yeah, I tend to be anxious because I am super observant and aware. I seem to notice things which most people don't see and I guess it's somehow related to asperger's or whatever. When I was young I actually had a heart surgery because I was born with a broken heart so to speak, but my heart is doing just fine these days. Emotionally too! Processing emotions is so good for your heart. Better to cry and laugh when feel like doing so instead of storing all those negative emotions and feelings in the emotional body.

My mind processes some much "information" so that's why I get so easily overloaded. I think that normal persons brain couldn't handle it and it would be "fried". All the external stimuli overload my nervous system if I don't be careful, I need a lot silence and meditation has helped me a lot. I'm also extrasensory (sensitive) so other people's feelings affect my moods too. I do live in a noisy big city and it certainly doesn't help my condition. I wish that I could live in the countryside.

However, lately I've been managing just fine. In June I will actually finally meet a good alternative medicine doctor who knows a lot about CFS and I hope that he can give me some guidance. I've been trying to excercise again so that my physical condition would get better, but that too requires energy and motivation (which I lack).

I recently found these articles, you should see them:

Cayce Health Database

Overview of chronic fatigue syndrome (http://www.edgarcayce.org/are/holistic_health/data/prcfs3a.html)

Edgar Cayce's perspective on chronic fatigue syndrome

Chronic Fatigue Syndrome was not used as a diagnostic category during Edgar Cayce’s lifetime. However, many individuals suffering from the symptoms associated with this illness did receive readings from him. Some carried the medical diagnosis of "neurasthenia" which roughly translates as "nerve exhaustion." Because traditional medical descriptions of neurasthenia closely resemble CFS, some medical historians consider it to be the same condition.

Other people coming to Edgar Cayce did not have a medical diagnosis, yet they complained of chronic fatigue with all its attendant symptoms (i.e., disturbed sleep, muscle pains, headaches, depression, etc.). Although the Cayce readings addressed each person as an individual, certain patterns of causation and treatment were common in these cases.

Typical causes of CFS in the Cayce readings

The most common cause of fatigue cited in the Cayce readings was poor eliminations which caused the body to become toxic. Toxicity was also linked to most of the other common symptoms of CFS, such as headaches, depression, and muscular aches and pains. Poor eliminations can result from a variety of conditions such as poor assimilations, glandular dysfunction, and pressure on spinal nerves. Accumulations of poisons in the system tends to produce excess acidity (sometimes even "superacidity") which Cayce linked to chronic fatigue.

Anatomically, the readings given for persons who complained of excessive or chronic fatigue, often mentioned the organs of the "hepatic system." The primary organs of the hepatic system are the liver, kidneys, heart and lungs. The liver and kidneys are particularly significant as they were called the "battery of the body." Edgar Cayce said that the liver is the positive pole of the body’s battery and the kidneys are the negative pole. In some cases of fatigue and nerve exhaustion, Cayce said the "batteries of the body have run down." When the heart and circulatory system were affected, people often experienced poor circulation with abnormal blood pressure. Respiratory problems and sore throat were associated with problems in the hepatic system.

In some cases of chronic fatigue, infectious factors were cited as a primary cause. Impaired immune response was usually noted in these instances.

Advocating a holistic perspective, the Cayce readings on fatigue sometimes noted the mental and spiritual aspects of the condition. Negative attitudes and lack of spiritual focus contributed to the weariness and depression associated with chronic fatigue.

Typical treatments for chronic fatigue in the Cayce readings

Cayce’s approach to treating chronic fatigue typically consisted of a group of therapies which addressed the systemic features of the condition. Harold Reilly, a physiotherapist to whom Edgar Cayce made frequent referrals, created the term C.A.R.E. to describe the treatment pattern frequently recommended by Cayce. The letters of C.A.R.E. stand for "circulation," "assimilation," "relaxation" and "elimination." Assisting the body to become more normal in these key aspects of its functioning helps the body to increase its vitality and to heal itself.

Reilly’s C.A.R.E. model includes several basic therapeutic modalities frequently recommended by Edgar Cayce, such as hydrotherapy, diet, spinal manipulation, exercise, electrotherapy (such as the radial appliance), and castor oil packs. The mental and spiritual aspects of healing are also important.

Treatment Recommendations Based on the Edgar Cayce Approach

Because most cases of CFS have broad systemic involvement, the Cayce approach utilizes a variety of diverse therapies to improve digestion, assimilation, elimination, relaxation, and circulation. Here are some general therapeutic guidelines for persons suffering from CFS:

Diet: The Basic Cayce Diet is intended to improve assimilation and elimination. The diet focuses heavily on keeping a proper alkaline/acid balance while avoiding foods which produce toxicity and drain the system. Essentially, the diet consists mainly of fruits and vegetables while avoiding fried foods and refined carbohydrates ("junk food"). Certain food combinations are emphasized.

Internal cleansing: Hydrotherapy includes drinking six to eight glasses of pure water daily, using castor oil packs, taking mild steam baths, and obtaining colonic irrigation to cleanse the bowel. Following the diet should also assist with internal cleansing. Mild laxatives may be taken (if needed).

Spinal manipulation and massage: Osteopathic or chiropractic treatment is recommended to relieve any pressures on nerves that may be affecting assimilations, eliminations, and circulation. If osteopathic or chiropractic treatment is not available, the use of an electric vibrator along the spine may be helpful.
Massage may also be helpful in improving circulation and producing relaxation.

Medicine: Atomidine (I have this one) is a medicinal product containing 1% iodine trichloride. Small doses of Atomidine may be helpful in stimulating and purifying the glandular system.

Electrotherapy: Regular use of the Radial Appliance may be helpful in balancing circulation, increasing relaxation, and improving sleep.

Attitudes and emotions: The mental and spiritual aspects of healing are frequently discussed in the Cayce readings. Particularly, an attitude of desiring and expecting to be healed is important. A positive mental and emotional attitude and can be created and maintained by focusing on a high purpose (spiritual ideal) for being healed.

Enhancing Blood Volume in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS) and Fibromyalgia (http://www.cortjohnson.org/treating-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-mecfs/enhancing-blood-volume-in-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-mecfs-and-fibromyalgia/)

The low blood volume finding in chronic fatigue syndrome has been consistently replicated; there is no doubt that low blood volume is common in this disorder. Low blood volume can cause, among other things, reduced blood flows to the brain (cognitive difficulties), problems standing (orthostatic intolerance), increased heart rates and reduced heart functioning.

While not the entire answer to chronic fatigue syndrome, increasing blood volume can be quite helpful.


http://www.cortjohnson.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/A-litre-short-me-cfs.jpg

Many people with chronic fatigue syndrome are about a liter short of blood

Non-Drug Approaches

Elevating Your Head While Sleeping

In what’s surely the easiest practice simply elevate the head of the bed six inches by putting some risers under the bed legs at the head of the bed (or by using a body-length wedge shaped cushion. NASA uses this approach to recondition its astronauts after spaceflights. One person (see comments below) found a dramatic improvement in his sleep after doing this for a week.

Salt

“The reduction in salt, which is a good idea for most people, may push orthostatic intolerant people into having symptoms of OT” Dr. Peter Rowe

Many people with chronic fatigue syndrome crave salt. Increasing your salt (with your doctor’s permission) and fluid intake can increase your blood volume increasing blood flows to your heart and brain, enabling you to stand more easily and think more clearly.

Increasing salt intake will only work, though, if you increase your fluid intake as well for (see below). Increasing salt intake should be done slowly and is often achieved simply by eating saltier foods. Some ME/CFS and POTS patients who already had low salt intake have had dramatic improvements by increasing their salt intake. Do not increase your salt intake, however, if you have high blood pressure.

Be consistent! - Dr. Rowe suggests that patients who make a serious (i.e. consistent) effort at increasing their fluid intake will benefit the most. He recommends drinking a glass of liquid every two hours with a goal of drinking at least two liters of water a day (approximately half a gallon). If you’re trying to increase both blood volume and salt tomato juice is an excellent choice.

More causes of CFS (http://phoenixrising.me/mecfs-basics/the-causes-of-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-mecfs-2)

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Wind, you deserve a longer reply, but you nailed it with the liver thing.
My son and I both have abnormal enzyme levels. The difference is the time of onset, with fewer vaccines I was healthy longer;
his heritage is to have good health but a delicate mind -- I fear for our little ones ...

edit: I forgot to say thank you.
(feeling tired already!) :(

[Mandala]

Sorry to hear you are a victim of this cruel and misunderstood syndrome. I've been dealing with it for 37 years now. Sometimes I don't have the energy to take a shower. You become a pariah. People look at you and see nothing wrong, no broken bones, stitches, cuts, etc., but everything you try to do is an effort.

Stress worsens the symptoms greatly. I am best when I keep to a very healthy diet, leaving out all wheat and a great number of other things. I screw up constantly.

The hardest part are all the "new maladies" that are constantly cropping up. My neck hurts, then my left foot, then my right knee, then all the joints in my fingers and hands. When that gets a little better than I have the gastrointestinal problems, headaches, random body aches.

When I was younger, before I was diagnosed by Cleveland Clinic, I went through the weekly, "I must have something fatal, I feel so badly."

I have incredible thoughts but can't seem to articulate them or get them on paper because of the brain fog. Not getting enough sleep is a big enemy. But I have difficulty going to sleep and staying asleep.

I quit a job many years ago because I felt so bad, but I've managed to plug along and teach for 30 years now. Some days I feel better, some I manage, some I think I'm not going to make it, but I'm still here. Candida growth seems to be very harmful.

Some think it could be a retro-virus of some kind, perhaps related to an immunization in childhood years.

I have also heard that abduction victims often complain of similar complaints. Whatever the cause, the syndrome is quite crushing. If I can think of anything else I will PM you.

Take care,
Your CFS friend.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

THANK YOU for this.
Yes, a virus seems to fit.
My "gut feeling" told me we have something akin to AIDS.
I would rather die fast than slow.

But fate dealt us a cruel blow, in that our dance partner has no face, nowhere to put the sword -- lol :(

(SO WEIRD while typing this my liver started aching. i haven't even walked today -- why would i have a stitch?)

@_@ the more i worry the sicker i get, also i feel a diarrhea coming LMAO tmi






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I am proud of you for teaching in spite of the illness.
It's a good choice of job, because when you tire you can just give some free time or busy work, turn on music or take the class outside.

i would just take them outside and not even tell the staff "it's for my personal health" lol


:) some vitamin D and no fluorescent light = good trade

[Wind]

Talking about liver... I just bought this supplement too, don't know if it will help. I also suffer from annoying eczema (related to leaky gut) and this thing called crazy researcher syndrome too.

Dandelions improve your overall health, including liver function and skin problems (http://themindunleashed.org/2014/05/improve-overall-health-including-liver-function-skin-problems-dandelion.html)

http://themindunleashed.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/dandelion-1050x656.jpg

Time to put the “dandelions are annoying weeds” thoughts to rest.

Its roots, sap and leaves are powerful ways to help heal the body, ranging from improving liver function to combating skin conditions such as eczema. In fact, according to the University of Maryland Medical Center, “Native Americans also boiled dandelion in water and took it to treat kidney disease, swelling, skin problems, heartburn and upset stomach.”

Dandelion has been used successfully across a variety of cultures, for several applications. It’s no secret that it’s an excellent way to keep the body healthy.

Here’s a closer look at some of the top health benefits of dandelion.

How dandelion helps health

1. Maintains proper liver function. Dandelion root is known to prevent liver hemorrhaging, but it also improves blood purity and the flow of bile, which the liver manages and plays a role in.

2. Fights acne and eczema. Have a case of bad acne? Drinking dandelion juice acts as a stimulant, detoxifier, diuretic and antioxidant that helps to fight off toxins which often result from out-of-balance hormones. The toxins are ultimately sweat out through the skin and because of the juice’s stimulating ability, pores are widened to help ease the process. Dandelion sap may also be used topically.

Furthermore, because its sap is highly alkaline and has germ-fighting properties, it’s touted as an ideal way to manage a variety of skin conditions including general itching, eczema and ringworm.

3. Improve eye health. The American Optometric Association advises people consume at least 12 milligrams combined of lutein and zeaxanthin daily to help lowers the risk of cataracts and age-related macular degeneration (3). Dandelion greens contain both of these nutrients. In fact, just one cup exceeds the American Optometric Association’s recommendation to maintain eye health, containing 15 milligrams of lutein and zeaxanthin.

4. Weight loss aid. Consuming dandelion greens is ideal for those trying to shed a few pounds. Not only are they low in calories, but they act as a diuretic, causing water weight to be omitted through urination in a safe manner.

About the author:

Raw Michelle is a natural health blogger and researcher, sharing her passions with others, using the Internet as her medium. She discusses topics in a straight forward way in hopes to help people from all walks of life achieve optimal health and well-being. She has authored and published hundreds of articles on topics such as the raw food diet and green living in general.

[Hervé]

#1: Liver detox / Liver flush (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6528-Liver-detox-Liver-flush)

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#3: 100% Pure Gum Turpentine & Kerosene - Kill deadly Candida, leave healthy bacteria alone! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63907-100-Pure-Gum-Turpentine-Kerosene-Kill-deadly-Candida-leave-healthy-bacteria-alone-)

[AutumnW]

I have had it for over 30 years. Was diagnosed by an infectious disease specialist about 23 years ago, thankfully. The best explanation I have read yet for cause is this...When the polio vaccine was developed, it eliminated the paralytic polio virus. But the polio family of viruses contain about 70 different viruses. When the paralytic form, that resides in the gut, was eliminated, it created an eco-niche which allowed different types of polio like virus to explode--in it's place.

Mandela, Tesla, The most perverse symptom, considering we are so drained and tired, is the inability to sleep. For me, this is often due to muscle pain, but there are neurological causes as well and blood pressure problems have also been implicated. I take low dose gabapentin and low dose valium and this works. Doctors hate giving people valium because it can be addicting. But if you aren't an addictive personality, understand the dangers and maintain a low dose, you should be okay. It gave me my life back.

I plan try medicinal marijuana soon. Have to be careful with Maryjane because some of it gives me anxiety attacks...but if I can find some that is tailored for the body and leaves the emotions alone, should be okay.

Nice info, Wind. Thanks

[sheme]

Vitamin B12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0da1xrELcA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JKvu9MJfk8

Talk about serendipity:o

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Thanks to you all.
My son is drawn to dandelions. Just touching them seems therapeutic for him.
What a special little boy.

Thanks for the advice. Holy crap re: polio.

Amazing that some doctors tell the truth yet the establishment continues to sell vaccines.

@ Leaky gut people and skin people I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL...
I get a small rash of breakouts, and if i touch it, i get a staph infection if i am not careful.
this gets much worse when i drink more than 1 soda per day.

the brain fog is worse with soda and coffee with sugar.
milk and cereal seems to worsen the brain fog.

tuna has lots of toxins but when i was eating it daily i felt 10x better.
when i had the money i was opting for tuna as a meal rather than sugar foods.
in the long run i think risking the toxins in real food is better than eating the sugar.



@_@ excuse me while i investigate the restroom.





p.s. i have a genetic or antibody disorder that prevents uptake of B vitamins.
anyone know a CHEAP way to get Deplin? L Methylfolate


thanks

[onawah]

I had the good fortune to visit a doctor of Integrated Medicine before he retired, who was such a good guy he actually paid for blood work that I could not afford so that he could make a good diagnosis.
I thought I had CFS, and while he didn't deny that was a possibility, he was sure that I had fibromyalgia, hypothyroidism, and in particular, what he called "stealth viruses" from the SV40 polio vaccine.
It's been a long time since that conversation, but I think he said it's difficult to distinguish fibromyalgia from CFS given that their symptoms are so similar, but the presence of mycoplasma is an important and deciding factor, if I recall correctly.
Years later, I found info on the Net about when and in what states in the US the SV40 was administered, and I had indeed received that vaccine, which was contaminated with live Rhesus monkey viruses, and has caused untold damage to millions.
He recommended lots of supplements, but thought that one in particular would be especially helpful, known as Transfer Factor. It is derived from bovine colostrum and is supposed to help the immune system identify and attack harmful viruses.
I think the treatment for CFS is similar to fibromyalgia and Transfer Factor might be helpful. Source Naturals makes a Transfer Factor supplement, and it's not too expensive.
http://www.vitacost.com/source-naturals-wellness-transfer-factor-12-5-mg-60-capsules
I've been taking it for years, and I'm not getting worse, at least, but I take a lot of other supplements too, so it's hard to know which is doing what.
One thing I take which I cannot do without is fresh aloe vera gel, about a pound per day in a smoothie.
You can get the fresh leaves from most Mexican grocery stores or order it shipped from Aloe Labs in Harlingen, Texas.
It's antibiotic, antifungal and antiviral, and is amazingly good for cleansing, detoxing and controlling inflammation.
Candida became a bigger problem once I had most of my teeth pulled.
It seems to thrive in the mouth much more once the teeth are gone.
I've been trying various natural sugar substitutes like Xylitol and erythritol, but they give me gas and diarrhea.
They are better than honey, though, which definitely feeds candida.
I am going to try date sugar again.

Sodas are a BIG no-no! :nono:
If you are addicted to carbonated drinks, I suggest getting some water kefir grains and making your own bubbley fermented fruit drinks.
They are delicious and good for you as long as you don't sugar them up too much.
The best Xylitol I've found is made from organic hardwoods grown in the US.
http://www.globalsweet.com/
All the rest I've seen are made from corn, much of it from China.
Even the organic corn can be contaminated with GMOs now, so I recommend the Global Sweet brand.

[Wind]

I do believe that vaccines have caused my condition too, but I cannot be absolutely sure. Possibly antibiotics too... However, I do know that I was born relatively healthy, but my problems started in early chilhood. I started to become more tired and I had festering rash.

CFS can be really disabling, sometimes I feel really thankful that I have the energy to go outside with my dog. If someone would ask me when I am the most happiest, it is when when I am in nature, perhaps in a silent forest (accompanied by the sounds of nature). Then I feel at peace & not tired, not anxious at all.

I have studied the effects of medical marijuana... I am a rebel by nature, but I would never really want to try it the illegal way. Then again I figure that it could be legal here perhaps sometime around the next decade at best because this government is so conservative. Antidepressants are a really big business here... And they don't help people, they just make them more obedient, unquestioning zombielike citizens. Lol, but now I'm just blabbering.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I had the good fortune to visit a doctor of Integrated Medicine before he retired, who was such a good guy he actually paid for blood work that I could not afford so that he could get a good diagnosis.
I thought I had CFS, and while he didn't deny that was a possibility, he was sure that I had fibromyalgia, hypothyroidism, and in particular, what he called "stealth viruses" from the SV40 polio vaccine.
It's been a long time since that conversation, but I think he said it's difficult to distinguish fibromyalgia from CFS given that their symptoms are so similar, but the presence of mycoplasma is an important factor.
Years later, I found info on the Net about when and in what states in the US the SV40 was administered, and I had indeed received that vaccine, which was contaminated with live Rhesus monkey viruses, and has caused untold damage to millions.
He recommended lots of supplements, but thought that one in particular would be especially helpful, known as Transfer Factor. It is derived from bovine colostrum and is supposed to help the immune system identify and attack harmful viruses.
I think the treatment for CFS is similar to fibromyalgia and Transfer Factor might be helpful. Source Naturals makes a Transfer Factor supplement, and it's not too expensive.
I've been taking it for years, and I'm not getting worse, at least, but I take a lot of other supplements too, so it's hard to know which is doing what.
One thing I take which I cannot do without is fresh aloe vera gel, about a pound per day in a smoothie.
You can get the fresh leaves from most Mexican grocery stores or order it shipped from Aloe Labs in Harlingen, Texas.
It's antibiotic, antifungal and antiviral, and is amazingly good for cleansing, detoxing and controlling inflammation.

that 2011 study released in ROME Italy said, in Post mortem brain samples, SV-40 and other polyomaviruses were THE common unifying factor in AUTISM.
chronic fatigue in a child would look exactly like autism. imo


thanks for sharing that very crucial detail.

p.s. hte doctors said, parents were vertically transmitting this old virus to the kids whether or not the kids got the filthy polio shot......

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I do believe that vaccines have caused my condition too, but I cannot be absolutely sure. Possibly antibiotics too... However, I do know that I was born relatively healthy, but my problems started in early chilhood. I started to become more tired and I had festering rash.

CFS can be really disabling, sometimes I feel really thankful that I have the energy to go outside with my dog. If someone would ask me when I am the most happiest, it is when when I am in nature, perhaps in a silent forest (accompanied by the sounds of nature). Then I feel at peace & not tired, not anxious at all.

I have studied the effects of medical marijuana... I am a rebel by nature, but I would never really want to try it the illegal way. Then again I figure that it could be legal here perhaps sometime around the next decade at best because this government is so conservative. Antidepressants are a really big business here... And they don't help people, they just make them more obedient, unquestioning zombielike citizens. Lol, but now I'm just blabbering.

i missed your post earlier, no apology necessary, this is a very important thing to expose!!!

anti depressants cause STROKE -- they cut off the frontal lobe...
it gets into the water ... everyone gets a dose :(


most people can't even get high from 2nd hand MMJ smoke... yet the pills are pushed as the "safest way".


i say NO WAY to drugs for profit -- especially Mainstream

[grannyfranny100]

Tesla, have you used cannabis as a way to establish a better dialogue with your body? It tells one to stretch or lift or hold a particular position. Very slowly this conversation tends to realign in a way more powerful than typical post surgery rehab and at many more levels. Best wishes.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Tesla, have you used cannabis as a way to establish a better dialogue with your body? It tells one to stretch or lift or hold a particular position. Very slowly this conversation tends to realign in a way more powerful than typical post surgery rehab and at many more levels. Best wishes.

Thank you, will try this. Sounds Bene Gesserit, i.e. a good idea.
Thank you Grannyfranny100.

(veterans in my area seem desperate for connections haha -- last vet i spoke to said "best to self-provide" and i did not heed it.)

[Hervé]

As it happens... was looking around about turpentine...


Autism


03/22/2014: Abdi from Toronto Canada: "Hi Bill, thanks for your good work for humanity. I have come to know turpentine recently after I bought and read your book Candida killing so sweetly. I have an autistic kid who is 17 years old. Can you please let me know the turpentine protocol for autism. Thanks"
Replies
03/22/2014: Bill from San Fenando, Philippines replies:

"Hi Abdi...Since your son is 17 y o then he should take adult dosages. The Turpentine protocol is quite simple and involves combining the following:

Castor Oil -- Dose range 1 teaspoon to 1 tablespoon.
Turpentine -- 1 teaspoon of pure gum spirit turpentine.
Add for taste -- one teaspoon of Molasses or Honey.

Start with small dosages of turpentine -- best to start with drop dosages of your choice or start him with 1/4 tspn and slowly work up to the full 1 tspn dose. Take turpentine just before meals. Start you son taking turps just twice a week then work towards giving him turps on a one day on, one day off protocol. Take plenty of breaks from this protocol because this regimen kills a large range of pathogens including parasites, candida, bacteria, viruses, mycoplasma, etc. So he will probably get significant die-off (Herx) and detox reactions. Adjust the dosage accordingly to reduce the stress.

You can buy pure gum spirit turpentine at Walmart or Home Depot and other sellers. Brands of turpentine that you can buy and use in the protocol:

Diamond G Forest Products (http://www.diamondgforestproducts.com/Products.html) -- Organic Turpentine
Klean Strip Turpentine 1 (http://www.walmart.com/ip/Klean-Strip-Turpentine-1-qt/23760393) -- Walmart or Home Depot
KleanStrip 1-K Kerosene (http://www.lowes.com/pd_156586-78-GKE83_?PL=1&productId=3185967) -- Walmart or Home Depot

Other nutrients that your son should take are Lugols Iodine, Borax Water and Alkalizing -- You can find all descriptions and dosages for these protocols on EC or in my book on candida. Other necessary and essential protocols are described in this document and, in greater detail, in my book:

Adjunct Nutrients to Help Minimize Detox and Herx Reactions and to Help Proper Brain Development and Healing (wrt Learning, Social and Behavioural Problems) (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GHYcHnDUvxf63tvR6IW4-9PvFqPKcscQ22K_5EzaIQM/edit?usp=sharing)

You can also add the Hulda Clark Parasite Protocol (Google it) to this regimen which would also benefit your son.

Lastly, it would also greatly help your son if he took enemas regularly at least two or three times a week. Parasites and pathogens can hide safely in the lower intestines because most nutrients that you take by mouth will be completely absorbed or expended by the time they reach the lower intestines (the intestines is 28 ft long). This is why you should incorporate enemas into his regimen."

03/22/2014: Bill from San Fenando, Philippines replies:

"Hi Abdi...I forgot to mention diet. Avoid the following foods:

sugar, wheat, dairy products, yeast products and avoid medicines like anti-depressants, painkillers, steroids and all antibiotics.

All these things feed or encourage the spread of pathogens in the body -- especially candida -- and avoiding them will also help to reduce allergies."from: http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/turpentine-kerosene.html

[Dorjezigzag]

I keep on saying it, but it is something I totally believe in, YOGA, it can be gentle and it can be hardcore, but as the name suggests yoga (union) can help you find a connection with your vehicle on this planet, the body. There are so many different styles. So is easy to find one that suits anyone.

I see it work miracles all the time, but you have to put in the work and discipline.
Which does not stop it being fun
So many people will take so much care of their car but not their body

I try all manner of lotions and potions one of the best detoxifiers, in my experience is zeolite and if you get it in the powder form which I think is better it can also be pretty cheap.

[Daughter of Time]

I have been suffering with this mystifying condition for almost nine years now.

With me it started with flu like symptoms which never went away - chills, fatigue, insomnia, aches and pains, fogginess, anxiety, dizziness, and of course, terror when I realized it was not the flu!

I've had hundreds of tubes of blood taken, CT scans, X-rays, and a myriad of other tests I don't even remember as that year while undergoing the tests is like a nightmare and all I remember was going to the hospital on a regular basis and being told that everything was normal.

Nothing was found! So they gave me a prescription for anti-depressants since that is today's Big Pharma's panacea! I did not take them! I kept looking.

A more than average enlightened MD tested me for heavy metals, which were extremely high. I underwent chelation therapy on and off for two years. It was debilitating but it removed some of the symptoms like aches and pains, memory loss, fogginess, dizziness and other cognitive issues. However, it was not quite the cure as many symptoms remained.

The Environmental Health Clinic which is run by very enlightened MDs (what a change!) diagnosed me with CFS. They said the causes are varied and many and although most of the sufferers will have similar symptoms, those symptoms can be caused by different factors. For instance, viruses can cause CFS yet no viruses showed up in my tests except the dormant childhood ones which are not a factor in a healthy adult.

Most common factors according to the Environmental Health Clinic: viruses, bacteria, fungi, molds, parasites, toxins (especially heavy metals), vaccines, antibiotics, difficult childhood, difficult relationships, difficult life, traumas whether physical (serious accidents) or emotional, resentment, guilt, stress, root canals, decaying gums. Detoxification protocols were suggested like chelation, vitamins C, D, magnesium, B12 (preferably injections), all immune support herbs like Siberian ginseng, Astragalus, etc., and in my case, thyroid support and adrenal support. Most CFS sufferers are hypothyroid and have weak adrenals. I've been looking for remedies for the pituitary, hypothalamus, thymus, but all I've found is Vitex which I've been taking for months now but hasn't done a whole lot.

According to an acupuncturist I visited who did not help much, CFS is caused by an endocrine system out of balance. I did acupuncture and took the herbs he prescribed but he never found a formula that worked. Either I felt energetic and was totally sleepless or I slept and just wanted to lie down all day. After 5 months and much money spent, I gave up.

The naturopath I visited said it's a metabolic malfunction - again - the endocrine system. Also he said it's an issue of a toxic mitochondria so detoxification was suggested as well as glandular extracts.

My health has improved since the onset of this nightmare and I function to the best of my abilities. Since I work free lance then I can take time off and accept only projects that I know I can handle. This is very painful! I have just turned down a project which 10 years ago would have been a dream come true! I feel like a shadow of who I used to be. And worse yet, I have to lie when turning down projects because in my profession, if people know I'm unwell, they won't offer me work anymore. They have to know that I'll be capable my reaching my deadlines. So I pretend I'm just too busy to accept more work! I really hate having to do this.

Strangely, I look very healthy. No one even remotely suspects that there is something medically wrong with me.

CFS also affects empaths - I am one!

CFS affects abudctees - I am one!

I've tried most of the detox protocols except the turpentine. I'm hoping that will do something.

So indeed, if anyone has more information, Tesla, I and many others here would be so greatly appreciative.

Love and healing,

Daughter of Time

[bruno dante]

Many people don't know this, but 'Chronic Fatigue' is really an umbrella term for what are likely several very different diseases which nevertheless produce similar side effects.

Some folks are suffering from unknown virus' etc, but the more common form (and the toughest to diagnose) is a form of mitochondrial disorder. For those that don't know, the mitochondria are the energy producing parts of your cells. When they become compromised, severe fatigue (and sometimes death) result.

The best package of nutrients that I'm aware of to treat the condition are as follows:
1. d ribose
2. coenzyme q10
3. magnesium
4. l carnitine

Tesla, I am almost certain you'll find success with these nutrients. Being the highly intelligent and inquisitive person you are, you'll likely want to know why they work. I'd strongly encourage you to check out the work of Dr Jacob Teitelbaum and Dr Stephen Sinatra -- both masters of integrative medicine.

Good luck!

[Kari Lynn]

I read the title and decided to take a peek in here. So glad I did. Everything written here seems to fit right in with all my symptoms. I have been diagnosed with Fibromyalgia, and Raynauds. With all my symptoms I suffer, I was wondering if it was more than just fibro. Because I suffer "brain fog" at times, memory loss. So tired all the time, to the point of depression sometimes even. Of course the pain and stiffness of the fibro, and balance problems of raynauds as well as circulation issues of raynauds. But it was an eye opener to see all my symptoms listed here.
I'm home from work today because of it. I've stumbled into a couple of walls today. brought on, I'm sure by stress I'm under right now.
Thanks for all the info.

[Wind]

Daughter of Time, I too have been in so many tests over the years and the doctors have barely found anything at all. There was just something wrong with my hormonal levels and also I had high white blood cell count, if I remember correctly.

Thanks for the tips, Bruno. I have used magnesium and I just bought l carnitine, I will also buy Q10, D-Ribose is something that I'm not familiar with yet.

[Daughter of Time]

Daughter of Time, I too have been in so many tests over the years and the doctors have barely found anything at all. There was just something wrong with my hormonal levels and also I had high white blood cell count, if I remember correctly.

Thanks for the tips, Bruno. I have used magnesium and I just bought l carnitine, I will also buy Q10, D-Ribose is something that I'm not familiar with yet.

L-carnitine will help only if you are not hypothyroid as it slows down thyroid function.

I take Co-Q10 and that I have found very helpful as it stopped heart palpitations.

I took D-ribose for a year since it came highly recommended by Dr. Mercola whom I trust, but it didn't seem to make a difference, so I stopped. Taking it or not taking it seemed to be the same.

Ultimately, what helps one person does not necessarily help another, but everything is worth a try. Good luck!

[Sidney]

one word...LYME Not everyone that has cfs symptoms has it but I read one study that revealed 100% pf cfs symptpmatic (regardless of the official diagnosis) tested positive for lyme. IMO this is by design. Pair that with the effects of breathing in chemtrail fibres, and how can we not be fatigued. research also adrenal burn out. fatigue is a symptom of many many disease states. Does it matter? what matters is what helps.
I have found much help with treating my adrenal failure paired with coconut oil supplementation. I am not well. But without these supplements I would be dead.

[Dorjezigzag]

It seems there is much talk regarding the material nature of the disease, potential cure and its material treatment and little talk of the spiritual roots of the illness.

We live in a society where we are not prepared to do any of the spiritual work but expect a cure in the form of a magical herb or tablet. Like soma from Huxleys Brave New World.

We complain about big pharma, but most people are totally seduced by its material medical outlook

Here is a great quote and through this the root of much illness and future wellness can be helped.

“In many shamanic societies, if you came to a shaman or medicine person complaining of being disheartened, dispirited or depressed, they would ask you one of four questions:

When did you stop dancing?
When did you stop singing?
When did you stop being enchanted by stories?
When did you stop finding comfort in the sweet territory of silence?”

-Angeles Arrien

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I agree with you in part but refuse to shoulder any guilt regarding the condition of my body... that doesn't help me feel better.
Living day to day with this "disease" is like having depression, aids, and morgellon's disease at the same time!
Today I tried very hard, went in spite of back pain and a blown knee to the park and walked 4-6 miles total.
I drank water instead of soda, went all the way to Safeway for an Odwalla bar thing to take with me,
and it was hard to stay motivated. Without my "meds" I have no reward except the work, and without the meds, there is considerably more pain during exercise.


in fact in the bathtub tonight i could not stop thinking of the man in the Simpson's cartoon, the old rich evil one,
who goes to the doctor in one episode for a diagnosis of what causes his tiredness,
and the doctor tells him "you have everything we've ever heard of == but all the germs are stuck in the door".
LMAO in other words the germs were so busy killing each other competing for the host that the miraculous by-product of this was apparent longevity.

of course the Simpson's is a big joke/cartoon, but there is irony in most cartoons about America......

_____________________________________

Another thing... people who have autoimmune disorders, people who have viruses, who have been exposed to adjuvants that destroy the humoral immune system,
are NOT just depressed.

And I read today that a shaman/witch doctor killed another albino for her body parts.... so........ although i would love to see a shaman --
i don't think anyone needs to die inside or outside over this illness.






I appreciate the encouragement to "be strong", but remember who you're talking to...

I was the fastest girl through the obstacle course in basic training --- with a few exceptions the whole course was a joke and with the right conditioning,
a person like that could accomplish a great deal.



The allergies during tech school after the vaccine exposures in BMT seemed horrific.
I noticed fatigue before then, but the allergies and diarrhea etc. were really bad.
Also the urge to self-isolate -- isn't that what animals do when they are sick or injured?

it's actually a bit INHUMAN to blame illness on depression when another user pointed out, it is the cause of depression.


______________________________________________

When did you stop dancing? -- I dance every time I see a nice email or get a PM from someone I like.
When did you stop singing? -- I sing every night when I remember, with or without music.
When did you stop being enchanted by stories? -- I read daily and post many thoughts here.
When did you stop finding comfort in the sweet territory of silence?” -- I go to the closest nature park and walk many miles when I am able, along with climbing, photography, etc.


:(


p.s. my cousin who DIED OF AIDS when I was a child who loved him, did not die because he was depressed. he died because his body killed itself.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Someone farther up the list from us on this page mentioned elevated white blood cells.

When tested for that about 4 years ago, maybe more like 6 years,
my neutrophils were immensely elevated and TSH was at 0.07

not .7

0.07

they had never seen one that low.
so at that time my thyroid was being overstimulated by something else, to the point where my body had stopped producing hormone.


What in the world can cause that to happen?

and do all depressed people stop producing thyroid stimulating hormone?

and why did I read that STDs can cause chronic fatigue and elevated neutrophils, and protein in the urine?


is it depression that caused me to be immune to my vitamin B intake?
to be producing antibodies for folate-receptors??



I feel depressed just considering that depression caused my illness! lol.

please DON'T do that to me again.

[The Truth Is In There]

ok people i'll keep this as brief as possible. please read carefully if you suffer from cfs, or any chronic disease for that matter.

i've tried to talk about this a few times already but almost nobody seems to care or understand what i'm saying.

the underlying cause of all chronic diseases is a lack of life energy. you can call it orgone or chi or prana, whatever.

until i learned to sense and measure the life energy of places, things and people this was a hazy concept for me, too. since then it has become very clear.

there are many different causes for the increasing depletion of life energy. one is food, one is the natural energy of places which can be regenerating or degenerating. a big one is electricity as well as microwave radiation from cell phones, wifi, etc. but there are many more.

all these man-made things reduce the life energy that is around us, in which our bodies "swim", if you will, further and further. (yes, "free energy" indeed!) this is the reason why we see more and more people suffering from chronic diseases. it does not matter what disease it is, it is always due to a lack of life energy. sometimes the life energy is just blocked due to traumatic events in the past but often there is no blockage, it is just not available anymore or in high enough quantity.

physical matter per se (chemicals, supplements, etc.) can not treat the loss of energy. what helps is to supply the body with what is missing - life energy. structured water and other fluids can be charged with life energy - but only in the right places. certain plants can have a lot of it but it depends on where they grow and where these things are stored - food, too. the body can regenerate on certain positive ley lines and it will invariably degenerate in negative places.

there are many ways back to health but it is important to learn to feel the energy. nothing is more important than that if you want to become or stay healthy. i speak from experience. i've learned to measure the energy in everything. i can find good places in nature as well as bad ones. i lived in a house that's in a very degenerating region and could not understand why i always felt that i was being drained of energy. now i know exactly why and i'm absolutely sure that eventually i would have developed all kinds of diseases incl. cancer. i have to work here still but nowadays i live and sleep elsewhere, in a very regenerative place, and the difference is very noticable.

all this goes much further than what i described, like how everything around you affects you, but what i mentioned above is enough for a start. if there's something in your bedroom which emanates negative energy towards your sleeping place it will reduce the life energy little by little without you ever becoming aware of it...until you notice the diseases. it can be a picture on the wall, the place itself, electric or magnetic fields (always...) but also orgone pyramids for instance. they generate healthy orgone only along their central axis. around the perimeter they degenerate. all things do that but some are more powerful than others.

i hope this information will help some of you. i notice time and time again that people are simply not ready for this kind of information yet but i think avalon is the right place and people here are ready to look a bit further out of the box.

[Operator]

Wow, great thread, great posts. Didn't read them all in detail yet. Will do that later today.

I recognize what some of you are talking about, I thought I was alone in this ...

Let me throw in one more ingredient, do you remember Bill Ryan having conversations with that Jake
(I think) person and not being able to stay awake? Well let me tell you I listen a lot to podcasts on
my phone that I saved during the week. Although they are inspiring and I am really eager to hear
more they sometimes make me very sleepy, can't stay awake ... I have to rest.

Since I am listening while being on my way in the car or while at work it can be most annoying.
For that reason alone I am listening more often to music instead.

It also happens more often that I stop the podcast because most things are not really that new
to me anyway (I don't want to be bored into tiredness).

Perhaps this does ring a bell for someone else too ... stay, safe all. :peace:

[Lifebringer]

Tesla, thank you for the opening. Although many of those symptoms have occurred several times in my life, I remember everything, the lack of sleep, disorientated thinking, and I used to call it, my bs detection protection. When I got around negative surroundings, uncomfortable musical or lyrical non-sense, I got headaches from the non-productive chatter or booming they called music. WE are all just tired in our souls of the madness portrayed as life these days. When we're told as children the fairy tale of the history writers growing up, then see it was all false flags the set enemies unknown, against the country because of agendas of rich people, infected by greed and power.

I recommend anyone going through "this life's burn out" to take the time to chill and "know" for themselves the medicinal properties of the herb. Yes, this is definitely one of the bitter herbs that are found in your backyards, and grows plentiful provided paraffin dow chemicals aren't added. It's why the people grow only from seed, so they know what is going in it. Centuries and centuries this was no more than a shaman's malaise medication when all people had were farming, fishing and the "other f" as a life.

Now with so many side effects that take up half a commercial or more, it's wise to get back to natural herbs grown personally, and don't allow the greedy chemical companies "complete and full access" as Phillip Morris had. They had their scientist tell people, that tobacco burned or chewed didn't cause cancer. Adding arsenic the slow poison over the years in increments to kill us over time. In short, we've learned that corporate scientist, are paid to say what the corporation/ tells them to say, and sends out happy reports like a fairy tale, to push their products on us.

Now that's the type of non-sense I get detections for. It helps my body heal. The painful memories of child sexual abuse are gone now. The painful memories of spousal abuse from a shotgun wedding back in the day, where my life took a leap into the 50's idea of what a woman should be. Woman's liberation was out there, but I had to do anything to get out of the world I was in and got desperate. Some of the secrets of Lifebringer are spilling folks, as you can see. Purging has helped with mj, and although these are horrid conditions for any child of 4-7 to go through, I want to tell people, we rise above it, and are blessed to see things much clearer once we are protected and know God. It's who we cried for when it happens. Three rapes in my 20's, caused me to find protective, shrewd, and downright physical personalities, as a protection from within, that were suppressed by the 50's way of thinking, in a 1980's world. Sometimes parents have to let the children create the world they want to live in because they too are experiencing and perhaps seeing, what those of the older generation, cannot envision. Can't imagine...Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/"severe intolerance of bs" is in everyone, it's simply a severe intolerance for lies, deceit, manipulation, stealing from the downtrodden, stepping on the little guy, murderers, child pedophiles, and those in authority that take advantage of their voters vote, under a guise of family values, while living a lie.
When the only light the people see in their lives at the end of the tunnel is a oncoming train, then they sometimes take a way out. I before finding/leaning/on Yeshua/aka Jesus, after the first violation at 4 remembered trying to slit my wrist to get to help from someone, to notice, something terrible had happened. I remember that thought/child reasoning vividly. The cry for help was to be as vivid as the trauma experienced at 4, but I did not do it, and therefore suppressed that feeling for years, and took another path to be happy somewhere else when I was outside and free. Just saying, I've been there at various times in my life, with two or three going at the same time, and marijuana helped me cope with the fact, that who am I to think I would go through "this" world and not experience what is in it? I think now perhaps I chose this body vehicle, because I would learn to go within for guidance to survive. I always called on the "Higher Power, when I drank to block it out, or felt so low in spirit" and I was always lifted from my consciousness in a trance to receive an answer. It's like that now, only the memories aren't so...how do I say it in our language...vividly painful when I purge them. I know they are from the past, and I...am headed for the future. So don't look back, you're headed in the other direction.
CFS doesn't stand a chance, because I thrive in thought now when I use mj. My mind is mine for once, without any barriers to keep me from being me. That artist, that medicine woman, that carpenter, that green trade soil rejuvenating landscaper and gardener, that phlebotomist, that executive secretary, that pc programmer, that mother, Grandmother, sister, daughter, child conceived of a jealous love.

Love Tesla, be free to love yourself for who you are, no matter who doesn't approve, it's Gods spark of life again.
A knowing of a better day to come. Sooner than you or I think. But gentle as the lamb for some, and ruthless as a female lioness for others.

[aheb]

Some of the symptoms are exactly the same as when you give up alcohol if you have over indulged for some time, you do feel really weary and for a time you may not sleep properly. On a more general note I find chi gung very usefull, the name actually means "energy way". I found that just doing a little chi gung, maybe 5 minutes would power me up enough for a much more strenuous workout. It is also important where you do the chi gung, standing by trees or in a forest works well, even just sitting in a forest seems to lift you anyway.
This is my teacher's instructor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y07FauHYlmg

[Daughter of Time]

It seems there is much talk regarding the material nature of the disease, potential cure and its material treatment and little talk of the spiritual roots of the illness.

We live in a society where we are not prepared to do any of the spiritual work but expect a cure in the form of a magical herb or tablet. Like soma from Huxleys Brave New World.

We complain about big pharma, but most people are totally seduced by its material medical outlook

Here is a great quote and through this the root of much illness and future wellness can be helped.

“In many shamanic societies, if you came to a shaman or medicine person complaining of being disheartened, dispirited or depressed, they would ask you one of four questions:

When did you stop dancing?
When did you stop singing?
When did you stop being enchanted by stories?
When did you stop finding comfort in the sweet territory of silence?”

-Angeles Arrien

I agree with you that there is no magic bullet, especially for such a complex condition. It is very easy to judge and very difficult to understand for one who has not had the experience of feeling one's life has been robbed.

However, perhaps you could enlighten us as what you mean by doing "spiritual work" because I have done it all. I do understand that in order to heal, one has to heal the body, the mind, the emotions, and the soul (especially the soul where the causes were intiated).

I have had past life regressions. I have been on a journey of forgiveness. My father who was a monster, passed away last week and I've been feeling all the horrors of the memories he left behind. I forgive him every day.

I meditate. I set aside one hour every night before going to my troubled sleep and ask my body, my heart, ,my mind and my soul what it is I have to do to transform my health. I don't seem to get answers.

I have been to healers. I've learned and practiced energy medicine. I don't know what else to do.

A person usually stops being interested in life because they're ill. Only a pessimist stops being interested in life when they're well, and I'm not a pessimist. I still find beauty in so many things and I still do everything I possibly can, but what I can do now is a shadow of what I used to be able to do. I can't help but cry on account of my losses.

I could have qualified for social assistance because of my diagnosis, but I chose not to. I chose to continue working in my chosen profession at whichever level I could because otherwise I felt I would have given up and I will never give up.

So if you have specific knowledge and insights about the spiritual work a person should do in order to release and heal oneself, then please share them with us.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

love to all and sorry for my blowouts.

it's a touchy subject, soft kill lol

[aheb]

no need to apologise we are all on the same trip.seriously it is wrong to judge or compartmentalise people or to see them as a group, you can't condem somebody for overusing alcohol or weed or whatever.......here, even if we feel more connected than other forums we are still just words on a page........so just go with the flow and hopefully we will all come out of this together...at the very least we know we have spiritual buddies

[Sidney]

I agree with you in part but refuse to shoulder any guilt regarding the condition of my body... that doesn't help me feel better.
Living day to day with this "disease" is like having depression, aids, and morgellon's disease at the same time!
Today I tried very hard, went in spite of back pain and a blown knee to the park and walked 4-6 miles total.
I drank water instead of soda, went all the way to Safeway for an Odwalla bar thing to take with me,
and it was hard to stay motivated. Without my "meds" I have no reward except the work, and without the meds, there is considerably more pain during exercise.


in fact in the bathtub tonight i could not stop thinking of the man in the Simpson's cartoon, the old rich evil one,
who goes to the doctor in one episode for a diagnosis of what causes his tiredness,
and the doctor tells him "you have everything we've ever heard of == but all the germs are stuck in the door".
LMAO in other words the germs were so busy killing each other competing for the host that the miraculous by-product of this was apparent longevity.

of course the Simpson's is a big joke/cartoon, but there is irony in most cartoons about America......

_____________________________________

Another thing... people who have autoimmune disorders, people who have viruses, who have been exposed to adjuvants that destroy the humoral immune system,
are NOT just depressed.

And I read today that a shaman/witch doctor killed another albino for her body parts.... so........ although i would love to see a shaman --
i don't think anyone needs to die inside or outside over this illness.






I appreciate the encouragement to "be strong", but remember who you're talking to...

I was the fastest girl through the obstacle course in basic training --- with a few exceptions the whole course was a joke and with the right conditioning,
a person like that could accomplish a great deal.



The allergies during tech school after the vaccine exposures in BMT seemed horrific.
I noticed fatigue before then, but the allergies and diarrhea etc. were really bad.
Also the urge to self-isolate -- isn't that what animals do when they are sick or injured?

it's actually a bit INHUMAN to blame illness on depression when another user pointed out, it is the cause of depression.


______________________________________________

When did you stop dancing? -- I dance every time I see a nice email or get a PM from someone I like.
When did you stop singing? -- I sing every night when I remember, with or without music.
When did you stop being enchanted by stories? -- I read daily and post many thoughts here.
When did you stop finding comfort in the sweet territory of silence?” -- I go to the closest nature park and walk many miles when I am able, along with climbing, photography, etc.


:(


p.s. my cousin who DIED OF AIDS when I was a child who loved him, did not die because he was depressed. he died because his body killed itself.

I was healthy as a lark before I entered the military. I have never had full health since. Something they shot me up with has wreaked havoc on me. I just cannot go into it more than that because I get too angry. But, probably something extremely important here, is detoxing heavy metals, and figuring out what helps with mycoplasma. quote from this article
Chronic Disease Association
Various Mycoplasmas have been found associated with chronic diseases such as Lyme Disease, Alzheimer’s, fibromyalgia, Gulf War Syndrome, multiple sclerosis, chronic fatigue, AIDS, ALS, and some cancers.
link
http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=spigot-nt-gc&ei=utf-8&ilc=12&type=994519&p=mycoplasma%20disease

[Dorjezigzag]

It seems there is much talk regarding the material nature of the disease, potential cure and its material treatment and little talk of the spiritual roots of the illness.

We live in a society where we are not prepared to do any of the spiritual work but expect a cure in the form of a magical herb or tablet. Like soma from Huxleys Brave New World.

We complain about big pharma, but most people are totally seduced by its material medical outlook

Here is a great quote and through this the root of much illness and future wellness can be helped.

“In many shamanic societies, if you came to a shaman or medicine person complaining of being disheartened, dispirited or depressed, they would ask you one of four questions:

When did you stop dancing?
When did you stop singing?
When did you stop being enchanted by stories?
When did you stop finding comfort in the sweet territory of silence?”

-Angeles Arrien

I agree with you that there is no magic bullet, especially for such a complex condition. It is very easy to judge and very difficult to understand for one who has not had the experience of feeling one's life has been robbed.

However, perhaps you could enlighten us as what you mean by doing "spiritual work" because I have done it all. I do understand that in order to heal, one has to heal the body, the mind, the emotions, and the soul (especially the soul where the causes were intiated).

I have had past life regressions. I have been on a journey of forgiveness. My father who was a monster, passed away last week and I've been feeling all the horrors of the memories he left behind. I forgive him every day.

I meditate. I set aside one hour every night before going to my troubled sleep and ask my body, my heart, ,my mind and my soul what it is I have to do to transform my health. I don't seem to get answers.

I have been to healers. I've learned and practiced energy medicine. I don't know what else to do.

A person usually stops being interested in life because they're ill. Only a pessimist stops being interested in life when they're well, and I'm not a pessimist. I still find beauty in so many things and I still do everything I possibly can, but what I can do now is a shadow of what I used to be able to do. I can't help but cry on account of my losses.

I could have qualified for social assistance because of my diagnosis, but I chose not to. I chose to continue working in my chosen profession at whichever level I could because otherwise I felt I would have given up and I will never give up.

So if you have specific knowledge and insights about the spiritual work a person should do in order to release and heal oneself, then please share them with us.

Thankyou for your engagement with my post I will try and explain more of where I am coming from

This was not a direct judgement on you or any individual and should not be taken as such. It is a general comment on the society that we live.

I am not the judge and Jury, I am offering opinion based on my own personal experience. You may or may not deem it suitable

In ancient China a good doctor was termed a wellness doctor, he/she was the doctor who was very healthy him/her self and their clients were very healthy, they never got sick. If the clients began to get sick the reputation would diminish until eventually they would no longer be considered a wellness doctor and the clients would move else where.

It was more based on prevention than cure with shamanic roots that valued the importance of the spirit.

Compare that with the medical world of today which is focused on increasing profits, the more illness, the more drugs that can be sold, the more operations that can be performed etc etc. Many health workers today are not the picture of health, and their clients illnesses are more often than not self inflicted due to poor diet, little exercise and a general totally lack of connection with spirit.

Those 4 questions that I wrote down in my opinion really get to the root of the problem.

A question I am going to focus on now is
When did you last dance?

The problem with a lot of 'new age' therapies is that they view the experience of the spirit as something that is external, , something that is outside of the body,which it can be say through things like meditation but the greatest healing of the body is when you experience the spirit in the body. Dance is something that can do this. Dance like anything is an art form and as far as healing is concerned you can put your body into shapes that can be more beneficial than others, this can connect with alchemy and sacred geometry. Doing a disipline such as yoga can inform you of shapes than can be of benefit. This is easier said than done, some of these shapes are not easy to get into and you have to work at it and also work on flowing one shape into the next, the basis of any great dance.

I first seriously tried yoga over 20 years when I was in India but I had not been consistent at all until a few years a go, I now practice it at least an hour everyday. Due to many years sat in front of computers my body had suffered and I was very stiff. Yoga has been such a release for me, I did not even realize some of the problems I had with my body it has been a journey of discovery of this vehicle, its limitations, its strengths and I am seeing great progress in all areas of my health. I would not say it has been easy though, I spend most of my time with aches and pains but these are the aches of many body realigning it self.

As many on this thread will know, although it has brought some positive benefits, much of the basis of what western medicine is built upon is flawed.
They will tell you depression is a chemical imbalance, which on one level it is, but what brought on that chemical imbalance? Usually if not always the root of disease leads back to the soul.

A chemical or herb or whatever may provide short term relief but usually there are long term consequences unless the root is identified.

I am very healthy now, touch wood, I never see doctors, but I do really work hard at it, I check every ingredient that I consume, I research the companies etc, etc

I work hard at the yoga too but work is maybe not the right word for it because i love it, I feel alive it connects me with breath, with spirit.
That is what I have noticed with people that don't last doing yoga, they are just doing it for some expected result, such as losing weight, gaining flexibility, or increased fitness, but they don't actually enjoy it and you won't last at anything if you don't enjoy it and have fun.

To enjoy being in the body and in the now

That being said there are some great yoga teachers out there and there are some awful ones, Yoga has become a business like anything else, but there are always introductory deals so try lots of different styles, teachers and you will find the one that is right for you. As you progress you may move on to different teachers or even be able to lead your own practice

I know that there are people that do everything right and they still get ill, and I know that I should not take my own health for granted but all I am offering is more techniques that we can use to hopefully regain our wellness.

I have come from a very tough background, I can relate to your relationship with your dad and I have known times in my life when I have been broken, I have literally been unable to get out of bed for a month. So I'm really not coming from a place where I do not know where you coming from but I want to give you hope that you can find some relief.

As I said I see miracles happening all the time through Yoga

[Mandala]

There are more people here at Avalon with CFS than I would have guessed. It's good to know who one can ask for advice when a flare arises. Blessings to all.

[The Truth Is In There]

here's a little something to illustrate my point about life energy. i realize it's a concept that is not easy to accept if one has been told for the entire life that it's matter that matters, and not that which it is made of - energy in its various frequencies and amplitudes.

some of you may have had what's commonly called a "dark night of the soul". how can it be explained?
it's when the personal life energy (or vibration, if you will) increases and thereby releases an energy blockage. these always come with strong emotions which flare up again just like when the trauma that created the blockage happened the first time. afterwards, if the emotion and its energy was released the body(part) will heal as well and the personal vibration is a little higher.

the body reacts with disease to these energy blockages, different body parts to different blockages. it's one reason why war veterans often get sick later, due to the traumatic events which created blockages in the life energy. often there's enough energy available but can't be released and instead it accumulates and can only be released in sudden bursts of anger or violence or self-destructive behaviour.

another thing - many people here believe that microbes are responsible for diseases like cancer. well, they're not (unless a lot of them are introduced directly into the body like in vaccines). the microbes develop in the body, but not from spores that are in the air or something but from decaying body tissue - specific microbes depending on the decaying tissue (and its vibration). they are nature's cleaners. they develop because something decays and needs to be removed. that's why some microbes are only found in certain body parts and not in others.

the reason for the appearance of microbes is that tissue decays because of a lack of life energy. cancer for example is a direct result. a higher order reverts back to a lower order, from oxygen burning to fermentation. the body tries to run on much less energy and decay is the next step if enough energy is not forthcoming.

the more life force there is in the body, the less chance foreign pathogens have, like during epidemics. you can call it the immune system but it's based on life energy, and blood is its carrier, especially the "red" blood cells (which actually are blue, because life energy is blue).

the more you "raise your vibration", meaning the higher the order in your body and the more energy can be stored, the more blockages get removed forcefully - this is when the "dark nights of the soul" happen.

i wish there was more interest in this topic because it really explains everything, from cfs to why in the supposedly upcoming "energetic shift" this increased energy will burn like fire in some people, possibly make them go insane, while it will help others to reach the next stage in humanity's evolution (as per the hopi prophecy, for example). personal vibration is the key to hold life energy and deal with higher energies when they come along. in a healthy body dwells a healthy spirit.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I agree with you about the "bad nights" because I had one last night.
Felt like bad energy was trying to influence the value I put on my own life.
Using my son's past as the bait. I.e. driving me to ___________ the brink.

I took Bob's advice and told the bad thing to F off.



But about microbes.
You know, people with blood sugar imbalance (which is sometimes hereditary) have lots of trouble controlling their flora and what sorts of microbial activity will occur in the body. People without money to maintain a good diet fall quickly into the sugar/infection cycle. Which makes exercise harder.



A thing to remember about sensitivity toward others: judges are "above" it all, and servants are "with it".

Meaning you have to have suffered to care truly.
If you enjoy good health, part of the "animal brain" drives you to think competitively and take credit for the good health.


Some of the nicest people I've ever met in my life have chronic health issues.
And I will be the last person to say, it was their fault.


:(

[Wind]

i wish there was more interest in this topic because it really explains everything, from cfs to why in the supposedly upcoming "energetic shift" this increased energy will burn like fire in some people, possibly make them go insane, while it will help others to reach the next stage in humanity's evolution (as per the hopi prophecy, for example). personal vibration is the key to hold life energy and deal with higher energies when they come along. in a healthy body dwells a healthy spirit.

Interesting, do you mean that the energy will act same way as kundalini energy does or will it be more subtle?

[Pam]

[QUOTE=The Truth Is In There;837025]here's a little something to illustrate my point about life energy. i realize it's a concept that is not easy to accept if one has been told for the entire life that it's matter that matters, and not that which it is made of - energy in its various frequencies and amplitudes.

some of you may have had what's commonly called a "dark night of the soul". how can it be explained?
it's when the personal life energy (or vibration, if you will) increases and thereby releases an energy blockage. these always come with strong emotions which flare up again just like when the trauma that created the blockage happened the first time. afterwards, if the emotion and its energy was released the body(part) will heal as well and the personal vibration is a little higher.

the body reacts with disease to these energy blockages, different body parts to different blockages. it's one reason why war veterans often get sick later, due to the traumatic events which created blockages in the life energy. often there's enough energy available but can't be released and instead it accumulates and can only be released in sudden bursts of anger or violence or self-destructive behaviour.

another thing - many people here believe that microbes are responsible for diseases like cancer. well, they're not (unless a lot of them are introduced directly into the body like in vaccines). the microbes develop in the body, but not from spores that are in the air or something but from decaying body tissue - specific microbes depending on the decaying tissue (and its vibration). they are nature's cleaners. they develop because something decays and needs to be removed. that's why some microbes are only found in certain body parts and not in others.

the reason for the appearance of microbes is that tissue decays because of a lack of life energy. cancer for example is a direct result. a higher order reverts back to a lower order, from oxygen burning to fermentation. the body tries to run on much less energy and decay is the next step if enough energy is not forthcoming.

the more life force there is in the body, the less chance foreign pathogens have, like during epidemics. you can call it the immune system but it's based on life energy, and blood is its carrier, especially the "red" blood cells (which actually are blue, because life energy is blue).

the more you "raise your vibration", meaning the higher the order in your body and the more energy can be stored, the more blockages get removed forcefully - this is when the "dark nights of the soul" happen.

i wish there was more interest in this topic because it really explains everything, from cfs to why in the supposedly upcoming "energetic shift" this increased energy will burn like fire in some people, possibly make them go insane, while it will help others to reach the next stage in humanity's evolution (as per the hopi prophecy, for example). personal vibration is the key to hold life energy and deal with higher energies when they come along. in a healthy body dwells a healthy spirit.[/QUOT

Ooops!!!!! I posted on this twice. I'm sort of having a really dingy day. Please see other post.

Pam

[Pam]

here's a little something to illustrate my point about life energy. i realize it's a concept that is not easy to accept if one has been told for the entire life that it's matter that matters, and not that which it is made of - energy in its various frequencies and amplitudes.

some of you may have had what's commonly called a "dark night of the soul". how can it be explained?
it's when the personal life energy (or vibration, if you will) increases and thereby releases an energy blockage. these always come with strong emotions which flare up again just like when the trauma that created the blockage happened the first time. afterwards, if the emotion and its energy was released the body(part) will heal as well and the personal vibration is a little higher.

the body reacts with disease to these energy blockages, different body parts to different blockages. it's one reason why war veterans often get sick later, due to the traumatic events which created blockages in the life energy. often there's enough energy available but can't be released and instead it accumulates and can only be released in sudden bursts of anger or violence or self-destructive behaviour.

another thing - many people here believe that microbes are responsible for diseases like cancer. well, they're not (unless a lot of them are introduced directly into the body like in vaccines). the microbes develop in the body, but not from spores that are in the air or something but from decaying body tissue - specific microbes depending on the decaying tissue (and its vibration). they are nature's cleaners. they develop because something decays and needs to be removed. that's why some microbes are only found in certain body parts and not in others.

the reason for the appearance of microbes is that tissue decays because of a lack of life energy. cancer for example is a direct result. a higher order reverts back to a lower order, from oxygen burning to fermentation. the body tries to run on much less energy and decay is the next step if enough energy is not forthcoming.

the more life force there is in the body, the less chance foreign pathogens have, like during epidemics. you can call it the immune system but it's based on life energy, and blood is its carrier, especially the "red" blood cells (which actually are blue, because life energy is blue).

the more you "raise your vibration", meaning the higher the order in your body and the more energy can be stored, the more blockages get removed forcefully - this is when the "dark nights of the soul" happen.

i wish there was more interest in this topic because it really explains everything, from cfs to why in the supposedly upcoming "energetic shift" this increased energy will burn like fire in some people, possibly make them go insane, while it will help others to reach the next stage in humanity's evolution (as per the hopi prophecy, for example). personal vibration is the key to hold life energy and deal with higher energies when they come along. in a healthy body dwells a healthy spirit.




Truth,
I find your discussion about microbes being created by the body to deal with tissue decay which is a result of depleted life energy fascinating. Can you recommend any further reading or videos on this topic?

Thanks, Pam

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

a metabolic imbalance can probably short out your mitochondria.

autistic people tend toward mitochondrial dysfunction/ATP deficiency

lactic acid buildup

etc etc etc etc

uric acid and feces by product in the blood/brain

very bad deal. :(


i guess spiritual approach could work SOME, but also, a physical answer is needed...

i.e. what is missing factor that would keep a normal liver going etc.
what is overloading kidneys etc.

[Polyamine]

Many people with CFS or Fibromyalgia have mutations to their methylation pathways along with infections from pathogens like viruses, bacteria, or protozoans. It often has multi-factoral causes with toxin build up being the main reason for problems.

[The Truth Is In There]

well, some interest at last, that's great!

first off, about the "hereditary" thing. there isn't really that much to it. pretty much everything of what is called hereditary is either due to conditioning or because of the energies of people and places.

with conditioning i mean that if certain things are done wrong from an early age, they can create childhood traumas that you won't even be aware of. they influence your behaviour and your personality on the one hand, and your health on the other because everything that influences us mentally influences us physically, too.

regarding energies of people and places - everything in the universe always seeks balance (and never finds it, always going from one condition to the opposite, that's why creation in unending). two people that are different and live together will get more alike as time goes by. i'm sure many of you have noticed that. often even visibly to a degree. of course children are influenced by the energies of the parents before birth but also afterwards, and due to that they may develop similar conditions as the parents. a sick parent that lacks energy in a certain place (everything has its own individual vibration) will draw it from the child where that energy is still there, and the child will give to the parent until both unbalanced conditions have become balanced.

the other fact is that places have different vibrations and different amounts of energy. if a person is sensible they can feel them but most people feel little difference except in drastic cases. nevertheless they're influenced by these energies, so a lack of energy in the place where a family lives will influence the parents as well as the children. incidentally, many people change, sometimes drastically - get either sick or healthy - when they leave home at a certain age, or everybody's condition and even personality changes when the family moves elsewhere. many people get sick the first few days on a vacation. it's due to the change in the surrounding energies.


if you want to learn a bit more about how microbes develop from decaying tissue and also about the traumatic events that create blockages, i highly recommend wilhelm reich's books. i don't know the exact english titles but there are probably two of them that are most important, like in german. the first one deals with orgasm (sexual energy is life energy!) and the second one with cancer. they're incomplete insofar as he couldn't take into account the different energy levels of places because he was not aware of them, but otherwise his work is exceptional.


is life energy the same as kundalini energy? of course, there's only one energy but it takes different expressions. the normal life energy that surrounds us is very subtle, that's why it can't be measured and why few people nowadays feel it. animals are much more aware of it (just ask yourself why they don't eat poisonous plants even though they have never had biology classes), also some more people in the past when bodies were less numb from electricity and microwave radiation.




A thing to remember about sensitivity toward others: judges are "above" it all, and servants are "with it".

Meaning you have to have suffered to care truly.
If you enjoy good health, part of the "animal brain" drives you to think competitively and take credit for the good health.


Some of the nicest people I've ever met in my life have chronic health issues.
And I will be the last person to say, it was their fault.
:(

i'm not judging anybody, i'm just putting the mental above the emotional when i deal with information/knowledge, which may sometimes come across as uncaring or whatever. it's part of my individuality as a being and possibly also my childhood traumas :o

as for suffering, i would have suffered, no doubt about that, if i hadn't begun to learn about health and disease, how and why they develop. it's my main interest since years and i was never satisfied until i found something that answers all the questions i had. it's part of my life plan to learn these things, draw connections between different concepts, work out the basis of everything and tell people why exactly they're sick and how to get healthy again. "teach them to fish instead of giving them a fish" and all that.


i'm not surprised that some of the nicest people you've ever met have chronic health issues. i'd like to add something to that as well so people who suffer from cfs or other diseases don't just see the negative side of it.

you've all heard the infamous term "ascension symptoms". i don't know if any channeler or other person has ever really explained why they develop. i'll give it a try:

as far as i can tell, there are different kinds of people on the planet, or rather, differences in how souls "activate" their human vehicles. i happen to be able to measure the life energy of people by focussing on them. a normal, healthy person usually has about 10000-15000 bovis units. those who lack life energy usually have less than 7000-8000. however, there are people whom i measure not in this "normal" region but in the millions (going further up all the time, and no matter their actual health) up to "infinity less one". that's as far as i get a positive response. at infinity i get a negative. for "normal" people i get that negative response at 10000 or so, as described before, and it pretty much stays at that level.

anyway, afaik "ascension symptoms" can appear because the people (or rather, bodies) whose energy level gets increased rapidly by their souls will require more energy than normal people because they start to vibrate at a much higher rate. there literally gets a higher order established in their bodies so they can hold more life energy. this will be necessary for the time after "the shift" when the energy output of the sun is going way up. to those with a "normal" vibration it will burn like fire and they may get all kinds of problems or even die if blockages are forcibly released or if they just can't handle the increased energy. the others will be raised to the next level of their development as "homo luminis", if you will.

to illustrate this - you're probably aware of the fact that most ETs can't stay here on earth for long because their bodies will break down and die? it's the same thing. they vibrate much higher and their normal bodies are incompatible with earth's currently low vibration. there is simply not enough energy available to keep these bodies functioning properly so they have to incarnate into a human body if they want to stay on earth for a long time. it's probably also the reason why they don't come here en masse until after "the shift hits the fan".

so if you suffer from cfs or other chronic diseases despite all your best efforts, your body is probably vibrating at a higher rate now and needs more energy than in the past.

i've noticed the same. as mentioned before, the place where i work is very low in energy, only about 2000-4000 bovis units in pretty much the entire village, yet people don't seem to get sick more than usual although they should! i would develop all kinds of diseases, all of them because the available energy is not enough for this body. fortunately i'm now able to find places that are higher in energy and actually charge my body instead of discharging it further. the cottage where i sleep now is only 6km away, at the edge of the woods, and a positive ley line with 434000 bovis units runs right through my bed. the difference is remarkable. i'm sleeping about 10 hours per night since weeks because my body can finally recharge. in the other place i woke up every night and couldn't go back to sleep. in the morning i felt drained.

anyway, i'll stop here. have to get back to work.

[Napping]

Hi Tesla and others,

I've suffered CFS or something that matches it's collection of symptoms since I was about 17. From the age of 17 to 25 I had next to no sex drive, was almost impotent, at times severe fatigue, brain fog to the extent I couldn't hold a conversation, depression/anxiety and an inability to exercise without my heart feeling like it would explode out of my chest.

The first big step in the right direction was cutting out alcohol, adopting a sleep routine and basically getting to bed earlier, limiting my gluten and carbs in general and a graded exercise program. The biggest improvements were made when I started taking aropaxine which is an antidepressant/anti-anxiety drug at a very low dose. It was almost like taking viagra. The life came back into my face and my incessant worrying settled. I stayed on the drug for 18 months, weaned myself off and worked myself up to a point where I can run 10km (Just over 6miles) in under 40min, played high level football and working full time, studying, being a dad/husband etc.

I'd say I'm about 75% of full capacity, but I'm well enough to achieve what I need to an experience joy. It was all of the 1% ers I believe that made a difference. I will look a little closer at this thread at some of the suggestions people have made re supplements etc. I've not found anything that's been proven beneficial from the research I've done, but that doesn't mean that some things don't work for some people.

The hardest part of this condition for me was that there is no blood test to confirm what you have, therefore no validation from others that I was actually sick…..to be honest out of the 20 odd doctors I saw, only a couple believed the condition even existed. Having the condition has however, gifted me a resilience I would never have acquired without having suffered.

If you suffer from this or similar conditions, hang in there, try new things and be optimistic. It's not whether we struggle in life or not, it's how we hold ourselves in the face of our struggles.

[Dorjezigzag]

Hi Tesla,

Just want to question these generalized statements from personal experience


you have to have suffered to care truly

I have known some people who have had totally blessed lives with little suffering and they have been some of the most compassionate people and vice verca


If you enjoy good health, part of the "animal brain" drives you to think competitively and take credit for the good health.

If i want advice about money I will usually ask someone who is good with money, I will not get spiritual advice from someone I deem as unspiritual, likewise with health. If someone is healthy it is because they have taken care of their body, FACT, you cannot abuse your body for very long and be healthy. Granted sometimes someone will take great care and still get ill, but there is an undeniable connection between taking care of the body and good health. If they have found that something has helped them in gaining this good health than the compassionate thing is to share that knowledge and I for one want to know what it is.

Yes there are boasters but often the problem from what I have seen is one of jelousy,

Who do they think they are telling me i need to exercise, yada yada. what do they know about illness.

You know what maybe they might be just trying to help

We are all animals with animal bodies and brains evolved to exist on a certain diet and be active, but some of us seem to forget that and that is the problem.

Competitiveness can get just as out of hand when we get competitive about how much we have suffered as much as how healthy but within our twisted society this is deemed to be more acceptable.

Monty Python make the point excellently
Xe1a1wHxTyo

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I am wondering why booze keeps coming up when most everyone in this thread has quit or never started @@

Low hanging fruit...

And about exercise -- no one said they'd stopped -- thanks for the "advice".

This thread is officially derailed.

[The Truth Is In There]

Hi Tesla and others,

I've suffered CFS or something that matches it's collection of symptoms since I was about 17. From the age of 17 to 25 I had next to no sex drive, was almost impotent, at times severe fatigue, brain fog to the extent I couldn't hold a conversation, depression/anxiety and an inability to exercise without my heart feeling like it would explode out of my chest.

The first big step in the right direction was cutting out alcohol, adopting a sleep routine and basically getting to bed earlier, limiting my gluten and carbs in general and a graded exercise program. The biggest improvements were made when I started taking aropaxine which is an antidepressant/anti-anxiety drug at a very low dose. It was almost like taking viagra. The life came back into my face and my incessant worrying settled. I stayed on the drug for 18 months, weaned myself off and worked myself up to a point where I can run 10km (Just over 6miles) in under 40min, played high level football and working full time, studying, being a dad/husband etc.

I'd say I'm about 75% of full capacity, but I'm well enough to achieve what I need to an experience joy. It was all of the 1% ers I believe that made a difference. I will look a little closer at this thread at some of the suggestions people have made re supplements etc. I've not found anything that's been proven beneficial from the research I've done, but that doesn't mean that some things don't work for some people.

The hardest part of this condition for me was that there is no blood test to confirm what you have, therefore no validation from others that I was actually sick…..to be honest out of the 20 odd doctors I saw, only a couple believed the condition even existed. Having the condition has however, gifted me a resilience I would never have acquired without having suffered.

If you suffer from this or similar conditions, hang in there, try new things and be optimistic. It's not whether we struggle in life or not, it's how we hold ourselves in the face of our struggles.

this is a classic case. low life energy and low sex drive go hand in hand, in fact, they're the same. exercise is generally a good thing but much better if you sleep in a place in which your body can actually recover. the place that caused the cfs due to its low level of life energy is not ideal because the body will probably not be able to recover the energy fast enough that was spent while working out. i've had the same problem in my old place. it can be kept in check but you'll never reach the level of health you could in a place with higher energy.

there's one inexpensive supplement that i know of and use myself that can help with this condition because it can store a tremendous amount of life energy due to its structure. i'm charging a bottle of it on the ley line on which i sleep since three weeks or so and by now its in the trillions of bovis units, still charging. i don't know how high it will go.

btw, this life energy storage capacity is the reason why sometimes supplements seem to help and other times they don't. like a flashlight doesn't work with a discharged battery, a supplement that helped at one time when it was full of life energy can be totally useless the next if it contains almost no life energy. it depends on where it is stored.

[Realeyes]

:love:Thank you everyone for this very timely thread and information shared.

Last month I was medically diagnosed with M.E. (chronic fatigue syndrome) after all test results came back saying my body organs were functioning very well like a younger person compared to my real age. I take zero pharmaceutical medication.

I agree with posts that life force energy is a key to well beingness. My life has been very active, I was never one to sit still, always filled with excess energy, maintained a healthy diet and outdoor exercise, quick minded, and an iron will.

I am also an empath, a sensitive to energy and very intuitive. For the majority of my life I have practice meditation, kundalini rising, and have been able to self heal my body from various ailments.

Right now I have for the first time in my life reached a stumbling block with this M.E. yet adamantly determined to overcome this hurdle not accepting the shadow form I have recently become.

I have listened to the specialists doctors on youtube regarding M.E. that associate it with glandular fever, tonsillitis, chicken pox, shingles and other virus theories etc..............Yet my inner intuition gravitates me towards another direction.

I started to reflect when this fatigue and brain fog started to appear and gradually become noticeable................

I have always been electromagnet sensitive, so picked wisely 16 years ago to live away from main power lines, cities, towns etc and moved to a small country village; refused to own a cell phone, or WiFi, nor a TV and have no electrical appliances in my bedroom. Regardless of this vigilance, in the past 10 years 8 cell phone towers have been installed in a two mile radius surrounding where I live. 2 years ago my immediate neighbours installed WiFi. Analogue TV switches to Digital. Military install a sophisticated radar space spy 2 miles away. Traffic directly passing my home increases 10 fold to over 5,000 vehicles a day. Also something else that may be relevant in this mix is that for 3 years 100+ chemtrails over my house every day causing constant global dimming (zero sunshine).

So my once peaceful environment has greatly changed. The atmosphere is now filled with invisible electromagnet pollution.....

I started to search on the internet to see if there was a connection with electromagnet pollution and M.E. I found a study on this, (link provided below) which discovered electromagnet pulses (including constant traffic vibrations) affects the natural Schuman resonance (a life force resonance that maintains well beingness). During the study, they gave CFS suffers a Schuman resonance machine to keep within their proximity – their symptoms were greatly decreased and well beingness improved allowing them to function in life again and feel more of their rightful selves again.


http://www.optimox.com/pics/Synchroton/Effects_Exposure.htm


What I also find curious is that those I have spoken to who have the diagnosis of M.E. (CFS) are consciously awake individuals, inteligent, quick minded, sensitive’s and empathetic people and I just wonder if this is just a mere ‘coincidence’ or something darker that this particular technology is targeting to shut down such awake and aware people?

Yes the brain fog and fatigue disappears when I go deep into Nature away from technology, yet living on a small island such places free of electromagnetic pollution is becoming very hard to find.

Does anyone know where one can purchase a Schuman Resonance machine? Or have any more Scientific information on this? Any information that will assist in reducing the electromagnetic bombardment and restore the natural Schuman Resonance will be most appreciated.

As to vaccines, poisons in our water, food, air, microwaves, scalar waves, chemtrails etc, I do believe play a big part in putting our human body vehicles under immense strain, as Nature around me is struggling too especially the insect world (bees & butterflies). I often remind myself it is a miracle we are all still alive in this toxic soup we are living in.

I still hold firm that our divine soulful abilities to sustain a higher energetic consciousness IS greater than any technology thrown at us; I know this is an immense challenge, yet I refuse to give up, and I refuse to be dumbed down by such agendas – these are the Times we rise above this quagmire and Shine! :love:

[Pam]

:love:Thank you everyone for this very timely thread and information shared.

Last month I was medically diagnosed with M.E. (chronic fatigue syndrome) after all test results came back saying my body organs were functioning very well like a younger person compared to my real age. I take zero pharmaceutical medication.

I agree with posts that life force energy is a key to well beingness. My life has been very active, I was never one to sit still, always filled with excess energy, maintained a healthy diet and outdoor exercise, quick minded, and an iron will.

I am also an empath, a sensitive to energy and very intuitive. For the majority of my life I have practice meditation, kundalini rising, and have been able to self heal my body from various ailments.

Right now I have for the first time in my life reached a stumbling block with this M.E. yet adamantly determined to overcome this hurdle not accepting the shadow form I have recently become.

I have listened to the specialists doctors on youtube regarding M.E. that associate it with glandular fever, tonsillitis, chicken pox, shingles and other virus theories etc..............Yet my inner intuition gravitates me towards another direction.

I started to reflect when this fatigue and brain fog started to appear and gradually become noticeable................

I have always been electromagnet sensitive, so picked wisely 16 years ago to live away from main power lines, cities, towns etc and moved to a small country village; refused to own a cell phone, or WiFi, nor a TV and have no electrical appliances in my bedroom. Regardless of this vigilance, in the past 10 years 8 cell phone towers have been installed in a two mile radius surrounding where I live. 2 years ago my immediate neighbours installed WiFi. Analogue TV switches to Digital. Military install a sophisticated radar space spy 2 miles away. Traffic directly passing my home increases 10 fold to over 5,000 vehicles a day. Also something else that may be relevant in this mix is that for 3 years 100+ chemtrails over my house every day causing constant global dimming (zero sunshine).

So my once peaceful environment has greatly changed. The atmosphere is now filled with invisible electromagnet pollution.....

I started to search on the internet to see if there was a connection with electromagnet pollution and M.E. I found a study on this, (link provided below) which discovered electromagnet pulses (including constant traffic vibrations) affects the natural Schuman resonance (a life force resonance that maintains well beingness). During the study, they gave CFS suffers a Schuman resonance machine to keep within their proximity – their symptoms were greatly decreased and well beingness improved allowing them to function in life again and feel more of their rightful selves again.


http://www.optimox.com/pics/Synchroton/Effects_Exposure.htm


What I also find curious is that those I have spoken to who have the diagnosis of M.E. (CFS) are consciously awake individuals, inteligent, quick minded, sensitive’s and empathetic people and I just wonder if this is just a mere ‘coincidence’ or something darker that this particular technology is targeting to shut down such awake and aware people?

Yes the brain fog and fatigue disappears when I go deep into Nature away from technology, yet living on a small island such places free of electromagnetic pollution is becoming very hard to find.

Does anyone know where one can purchase a Schuman Resonance machine? Or have any more Scientific information on this? Any information that will assist in reducing the electromagnetic bombardment and restore the natural Schuman Resonance will be most appreciated.

As to vaccines, poisons in our water, food, air, microwaves, scalar waves, chemtrails etc, I do believe play a big part in putting our human body vehicles under immense strain, as Nature around me is struggling too especially the insect world (bees & butterflies). I often remind myself it is a miracle we are all still alive in this toxic soup we are living in.

I still hold firm that our divine soulful abilities to sustain a higher energetic consciousness IS greater than any technology thrown at us; I know this is an immense challenge, yet I refuse to give up, and I refuse to be dumbed down by such agendas – these are the Times we rise above this quagmire and Shine! :love:


There are a couple of Schuman resonance devices sold on Amazon. You can also purchase EMF shields there as well. I cannot give you a personal recommendation as I have used neither, but it might be worth a look.

[onawah]

It does seem like the more sensitive, empathic etc. souls are the "canaries in the coal mines" when it comes to EMF, microwave, chemtrail etc. pollution.
I'm sure most Avalonians by now agree these are all ways that TPTW are working to keep us dumbed down.
I was living in a fairly large town when they started putting up cell phone towers all around, and I began to have panic attacks and brain fog so strong I thought I was getting Alzheimer's.
I moved to the country and those problems disappeared.
Where I am living now is kind of a compromise between those, on the outskirts of a small town--but I definitely felt it when a new cell phone tower was erected in town, and there is no doubt at all that heavy chemtrail days leave me feeling tired and depressed.
There have been some good developments, apparently, in Rife devices, and some Avalonians have them and have given good reports.
I don't know how they compare to Schumann Resonance devices, but I would think they would be similar.
What I do is go for walks and long meditations in the woods near where I live, where I sit with my back to a tree and lie on the Earth.
If I didn't do that regularly, I think I wouldn't be alive today.
Another thing that really helps is eating mostly not just live, organic food, but sprouted and fermented food as much as possible.
The vitality from those kinds of prana-rich foods help keep a human body vital and alive.
And growing your own food is another great thing to do, especially if you talk to the plants and let them get to know your body.
Like trees, I think plants are able to help heal individual bodies if they have direct contact.
Crystals are also helpful. I cleanse mine in salt water periodically and put them out in the sun and moonlight for a few days, especially during powerful astrological aspects, when the cosmic energies are especially strong.
Indoor plants, especially in the winter, are also helpful, especially those that are good at cleansing indoor air pollution and creating negative ions.
Indoor fountains and negative ion generators are great.
And cleanse, cleanse, cleanse your body!
Aloe, herbs, supplements, flushes, etc... just be careful you don't kill your good intestinal flora in the process.
Dawn's thread about gut health has a lot of great information re the latter.
And if you have a loving pet, all the better.

[Wind]

Most of us empaths indeed are being affected by other people's energies and also many other things affect us like electrity too. Also many of us come from higher of planes existence and the energy there is more lighter and it is quite hard for our energetic bodies to handle this Earth's dense energy I believe.

Here is one good channeling from Q'uo.

Questioner: Q’uo, not only I but numerous people I’ve talked to, especially among the spiritual seekers, have talked about feeling very tired, very drained on all levels lately and [experiencing] an increasing, growing sense of weariness and exhaustion. I’ve wondered if that had anything to do with the coming harvest and the shifting energies.

We are those of Q’uo, and are aware of your query, my sister. My sister, the weariness which spiritual seekers feel at this time is indeed an artifact of the changing energy at the waning of light in third density and the dawning of light in fourth density. Fourth-density light more and more interpenetrates third-density light and, as we said in response to an earlier query, this light is loaded with information. It is the light of love and understanding and the burden of information that it carries is heavy. It carries more truth than third-density light. It carries more truth than third density can use comfortably. This means that those who are already awake and already seeking are now seeking under more of a strain than they might have, say, thirty or forty years ago even, and certainly more than one hundred or two hundred years ago.

There are truths which are inconvenient for third-density entities to behold, largely having to do with the interconnectedness of all being and the unity of all being, so that the deeds done by another are the deeds done by the self. That which seems repugnant to the self, yet is done by another, somehow feels as though it has been done by the self. And this, my sister, is because there is a great deal of truth in the unity of all beings.

There is no truth [to saying] that one entity is responsible for the choices of another. You are not guilty because someone else has committed murder. However, you are part of the tribe of humankind and you carry the burden of the behavior and the choices of humankind. It creates of the universe a hall of mirrors for the spiritual seeker on Planet Earth today, so that the seeker is bumping up against truth. And often that truth is not what one wants to see. It is not all tied up in a pretty bow. It is not all positive. It does not seem to be fair; that is, it does not seem to be beautiful or true or just or equitable. And yet you see all these things because you are being bombarded constantly by fourth-density light.

So, yes, there is every reason to feel more tired than usual, to be weary with the world’s heavy energies. And yet you came here to serve. This is the moment for which you sacrificed so much. Now you are here. Now you are on the ground. Now you are in the midst of the fire, and it certainly is wearying. Yet comfort yourself with the knowledge that you did not come here to fix things. You came here to love things—to love yourself and to love those around you, to love all of the tribe of humankind and, above all, to love the Creator.

Therefore, it’s all right to feel weary. One feels weary at sundown. And it is truly sundown for your planet and your people. At the end of this incarnation, each of you shall walk the steps of light. This is your last incarnation upon this particular planet in this particular environment. Consequently, rejoice in your time, however wearying it may seem. You are in the place you sacrificed comfort and family and the remembrance of how things truly are, [so that you could] serve and to learn. And you are serving, my sister and you are learning. And so are all of those who seek at this time.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2010/2010_1225.aspx

Also interesting here video talking about the fact how some people suffering from chronic fatigue can feel almost normal in different places. I wish that one day I could move to countryside, far away from any power lines or cellphone towers.

NNOWIr40TtI

[The Truth Is In There]

[...]

What I also find curious is that those I have spoken to who have the diagnosis of M.E. (CFS) are consciously awake individuals, inteligent, quick minded, sensitive’s and empathetic people and I just wonder if this is just a mere ‘coincidence’ or something darker that this particular technology is targeting to shut down such awake and aware people?

Yes the brain fog and fatigue disappears when I go deep into Nature away from technology, yet living on a small island such places free of electromagnetic pollution is becoming very hard to find.

Does anyone know where one can purchase a Schuman Resonance machine? Or have any more Scientific information on this? Any information that will assist in reducing the electromagnetic bombardment and restore the natural Schuman Resonance will be most appreciated.

As to vaccines, poisons in our water, food, air, microwaves, scalar waves, chemtrails etc, I do believe play a big part in putting our human body vehicles under immense strain, as Nature around me is struggling too especially the insect world (bees & butterflies). I often remind myself it is a miracle we are all still alive in this toxic soup we are living in.

I still hold firm that our divine soulful abilities to sustain a higher energetic consciousness IS greater than any technology thrown at us; I know this is an immense challenge, yet I refuse to give up, and I refuse to be dumbed down by such agendas – these are the Times we rise above this quagmire and Shine! :love:

excellent post and the right conclusions imo. they do indeed target the bodies of those souls who are here at this time to help and facilitate an awakening of the masses. everything that is done, from water fluoridation to radar and cell phone towers, from vaccines and chemtrails to their "medicine", everything is intended to rob humans of life energy, to make them sick and depopulate earth to a large degree so the rest can be turned into slaves for lizards from inside the earth who like to drink fresh baby blood and have sex with small children because of their high life energy.

as mentioned before, the bodies whose souls have been cranking up the energy levels or the children who are born with high energy levels will be affected more severely because they require even more energy than average human bodies.

a higher developed system, a system with a higher order, will always break down first under adverse conditions because these systems require more life energy than those of lower orders, like microbes or fungi.

i've been talking about this here and there on the forum - these harmful microbes people suffer from exist because the energetic conditions these people live in are just right for the microbes but not for them. their bodies break down due to lack of energy and these microbes and fungi like candida thrive because they're low level life forms.

you don't need to spend a lot of money for a schumann generator or whatever. all you need to do, if you can't move away that is, is building an orgone accumulator and use it a few times every day. the outside wall should be non-metal/non-conductive like wood, and the inside wall metal/conductive material like iron or copper. several layers will be more powerful than just one of each, or a mix of conductive and non-conductive material between the outer and inner wall. orgone/life energy will accumulate inside and you can stand or sit in there and recharge. water and food can also be charged inside.

[AutumnW]

I keep on saying it, but it is something I totally believe in, YOGA, it can be gentle and it can be hardcore, but as the name suggests yoga (union) can help you find a connection with your vehicle on this planet, the body. There are so many different styles. So is easy to find one that suits anyone.

I see it work miracles all the time, but you have to put in the work and discipline.
Which does not stop it being fun
So many people will take so much care of their car but not their body

I try all manner of lotions and potions one of the best detoxifiers, in my experience is zeolite and if you get it in the powder form which I think is better it can also be pretty cheap.

I know you are trying to be helpful and thank you for that. Yoga may have its place for some but you have to remember that whatever suggestions you make to somebody with this should be similar, in terms of physical endurance, to somebody with a bad case of flu.

[onawah]

I've heard that grounding or earthing mats are helpful too. See:
http://products.mercola.com/earthing-mat/
(Also reported to be good for autism, I think.)
I've been seeing lots of benefits being listed now from research about walking barefooted on the earth.
I need to get one of those grounding mats, especially for the winter.
I'm always full of static electricity and getting shocks in the winter, though not in the warm weather when I go barefooted a lot.
I wonder if that's common for people with CFS.

[Wind]

I too tend to get static during the winter, sometimes I actually send sparks. Now that it's summer, I am able to walk barefooted on grass and it definitely feels good, but I'm not sure if it will help. I have considered about buying grounding mats or sheets, but I haven't had enough money for them. Maybe I should try them…

[Daughter of Time]

I too tend to get static during the winter, sometimes I actually send sparks. Now that it's summer, I am able to walk barefooted on grass and it definitely feels good, but I'm not sure if it will help. I have considered about buying grounding mats or sheets, but I haven't had enough money for them. Maybe I should try them…

Again, what works for some will not work for others.

I invested hundreds of dollars on grounding materials like sheet and pad and they've been a total waste of my money.

Before you invest on these items, here are some important things to know: the grounding sheets and pads have to be plugged into an electrical socket which is grounded so that the grounding prong can go into it. If one's home does not have grounding sockets, a long metal stick with a long wire comes with the sheet. The stick has to be grounded outside, into the earth. The long thin wire can go under a door or a window so that the stick can go into the ground. I live in an apartment so I have no ground to stick it into. However, I was told by an expert that the metal stick would work as long as it touches a radiator because radiators are grounded, which I do have as heating devices in my apartment. I tried sticking the stick in the radiator for months and it didn't help. Then I placed a large planter so that the stick would go into the soil of the planter (which is also supposed to work) and this didn't do anything either. Unlike my bedroom, my living room has grounded sockets so that's where I plugged in the pad, but again, I haven't noticed any difference at all whatsoever in improving any symptoms. What this tells me is that my condition is not caused by lack of grounding, but by other things.

The grounding book, which I also purchased, says that one should not wear shoes with rubber soles as rubber is not grounding. The only grounding soles are those made of leather materials, which are very thin. This may be useful for those who live out in the country and walk on the earth, but I live in a city, where I walk mainly on cement and I find leather soles really hard on my body since the feet are pounding on cement. The only shoes I have with leather soles are the elegant pumps which I wear on occasion. On a day to day basis, I need shoes and sandals with rubber soles so as to absorb the impact of hitting the cement.

So there is the "grounding" information in a nutshell - none of which has been helpful for me.

[Wind]

Thanks for telling that, Daughter of Time. I have been reading about grounding before and when one has CFS you're basically willing to try anything in order to improve the condition. I certainly haven't lost hope and I think that there can be some kind of a cure. The psychic Carol Clarke told me in hear reading that in a few years time I will "get used to" this body of mine and I have never been very comfortable in my own skin. I don't think that she was lying.

[The Truth Is In There]

grounding the way it is described in that book or on some websites is basically not just useless but in fact unhealthy because a grounded body attracts electricity, like from electric fields, and grounds them. so you channel lots of electricity through your body into the earth when you're grounded while being surrounded by electric fields - like in your bedroom when your body is supposed to recover. the new age has grown a lot of strange fruits and this is one of them.

[ThePythonicCow]

grounding the way it is described in that book or on some websites is basically not just useless but in fact unhealthy because a grounded body attracts electricity, like from electric fields, and grounds them. so you channel lots of electricity through your body into the earth when you're grounded while being surrounded by electric fields - like in your bedroom when your body is supposed to recover. the new age has grown a lot of strange fruits and this is one of them.
What's your source for this unusual theory?

[onawah]

Far infra-red sauna is very good for detoxing, strengthening the immune system, relieving pain and more. Dr. Mark Sircus, who is a member of the forum now, recommends infrared sauna "bio mats", and you can read about them here:
http://drsircus.com/medicine/light-heat/love-light-and-comfort-of-a-biomat
Lots of other good info on his website, imho.

[The Truth Is In There]

grounding the way it is described in that book or on some websites is basically not just useless but in fact unhealthy because a grounded body attracts electricity, like from electric fields, and grounds them. so you channel lots of electricity through your body into the earth when you're grounded while being surrounded by electric fields - like in your bedroom when your body is supposed to recover. the new age has grown a lot of strange fruits and this is one of them.
What's your source for this unusual theory?

unsusual theory? i thought this is common knowledge. if you're exposed to electric fields, say, in your bed, for example from a heating blanket or a clock radio on the nightstand, just put one of these little screwdrivers they use to check for a current (i don't know the exact english term) on your skin. it might have to be one with a battery since the others require higher voltage. it will light up, proving that your body is being charged by the electric field of the blanket, clock radio, heater of the water bed or perhaps just a wire or wall socket...whatever. now, if you ground yourself that electricity will go into the earth. it's called potential equalization because due to the electric fields your body has become a higher electric potential than the earth. what do you suppose the current does to your body when it goes through it? it's debatable, however, what is more harmful, just being exposed to electric fields or being grounded while exposed to them. none of it is good for you.

[Polyamine]

I am not well versed on Spiritual or energy healing, but if you would like help from a medical standpoint, I may be of assistance. The problem can arise in that everyone has slightly different issues even though they all have CFS. I will answer questions if I can.

[ThePythonicCow]

... now, if you ground yourself that electricity will go into the earth. it's called potential equalization because due to the electric fields your body has become a higher electric potential than the earth. what do you suppose the current does to your body when it goes through it? it's debatable, however, what is more harmful, just being exposed to electric fields or being grounded while exposed to them. none of it is good for you.
My previous question was unclear, sorry.

I'll ask again.

What is your source for this unusual theory that grounding yourself, while in the present of electro-magnetic fields (I mean the fields, not the high currents caused by touching say a high voltage line), is more harmful and not good for you?

[SunSea]

Hi! this a great conversation! I haven't read all pages yet but wanted to stop and add information on cell salts which are crucial for every function in the body. And of course most people I'd say are deficient. I think this could be a good adjunct to other treatments and may be a missing link to complete the healing process. Here are a few links. http://www.daveshealingnotes.com/learn/cell-salt-descriptions.html https://www.facebook.com/WitchDocTim

Hope this is helpful, I don't know if this has been mentioned here yet or not.
My best to you all, becoming healthy and staying that way is no easy task in this world.

Love, SunSea

[Daughter of Time]

I am not well versed on Spiritual or energy healing, but if you would like help from a medical standpoint, I may be of assistance. The problem can arise in that everyone has slightly different issues even though they all have CFS. I will answer questions if I can.

Hello Polyamine,

Any information you could share in regards to this condition and how to treat it would be useful.

The only solution which was offered to me by one of the best hospitals in my country was anti-depressants. I refused to take them because I am not a depressed person and I've seen too many people on anti-depressants who lost their will to do anything once on these drugs.

I read about a drug being experimented with called "Ampligen". What do you know of this drug? To the best of my knowledge, it has not yet been approved. I also read that this drug would cost around $60.00 per day! This would be cost prohibitive for most sufferers of this condition, including myself. Also, I don't believe that such a complex condition would be cured by a drug. As you very well know, this is not as simple has having a bacterial infection which will be killed by antibiotics.

If you are an M.D. and have had patients with CFS that you were able to help, please tell us which protocols you administered.

If you are medically trained but not practicing, your knowledge and expertise would be equally appreciated.

Thank you.

[SunSea]

Hi Again, I am also struggling with low energy levels and live in a area fairly saturated with Wi-Fi etc. I am also a empath, spiritually orientated etc. Since I cant move at this time I'm finding the suggestions of The Truth is in There helpful. Making a orgone blanket has now crossed my mind. Perhaps a box. I like the idea of maximizing my sleeping area for the best recovery during sleep.

Whoops, just found this..
Use an accumulator only in an area that is not strongly contaminated by electromagnetic pollution. Those who live in farmland and the countryside are in luck, while those in the cities are strongly advised against building an ORAC at all. Wireless routers, cell-phones, Bluetooth devices, and generally any other wireless device will contaminate the energy field of your accumulator. Remember that the accumulator only absorbs the energy already present in the environment. If that energy in your area happens to be toxic, the health effect of the accumulator will also be toxic. You could do tremendous harm to your health by using an accumulator directly next to a cellphone tower, for example. http://vibrantenergy.hubpages.com/hub/How-to-build-an-Orgone-Accumulator

[Hervé]

#1: Liver detox / Liver flush (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6528-Liver-detox-Liver-flush)

#2: The gut of most disease... NOT what you think! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43548-The-gut-of-most-disease...-NOT-what-you-think-)

#3: 100% Pure Gum Turpentine & Kerosene - Kill deadly Candida, leave healthy bacteria alone! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63907-100-Pure-Gum-Turpentine-Kerosene-Kill-deadly-Candida-leave-healthy-bacteria-alone-)

Remember that post above?

Well, here is why #1 (finally found it):

Re: "Sluggish" Liver issues. (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,17952.msg210930.html#msg210930)

« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2010, 11:41:52 PM »
Checklist of "sluggish liver" (I have or had ALL of them!):
Quote
http://ezinearticles.com/?Liver-Problems---What-are-the-Symptoms?&id=281170

Depending on the problem, many people are unaware they have a liver problem and may only have vague symptoms. One of the most common symptoms is chronic tiredness. These people generally feel lethargic and sluggish during the day, especially in the morning.

...

General symptoms that can indicate a liver problem

# Feel tired and unrefreshed when you wake up

# Energy levels fluctuate throughout the day, with your tiredness becoming worse around mid-morning and/or mid-afternoon

# Difficulty losing weight

# Frequent headaches

# Bad breath, digestive problems, bloating, gas, indigestion

# Allergies and intolerances to foods that are worsening as time goes on

# Reactions to many chemicals including cleaning products, petrol, paint, perfumes, bleaches, etc.

# Problems digesting fatty/creamy/oily foods. They can make you feel unwell, nauseous or cause heart burn and reflux

# A yellowish tinge to the skin, eyes and palms of the hands

# Reactions to drugs, in particular headache tablets, antibiotics and anti-histamines

# An intolerance to alcohol. Either you get drunk very quickly or you have bad hangovers that are out of proportion to the amount of alcohol you have drunk

# Caffeine gives you a strong buzz and can keep you awake for hours

# When you eat asparagus, you have a funny smell in your urine

# Skin problems such as acne, eczema, psoriasis, general rashes, itchy skin

# Hot flushes that feel as if they rise up from the torso towards the head

# You frequently wake up around 1-3am in the morning

...

[Dorjezigzag]

I know i can come across as insensitive but I do actually care (honest), I find it extremely interesting that some of my favorite posters are suffering with these symptoms and there does seem to be relationship to sensitivity.

Anyway sorry to keep banging on the yoga drum but that's my thing and

Did a search on yoga and CFS/ME and found this really in-depth article, recommend you read it all, it goes on to discuss what yoga teachers often don't understand about ME but if you communicate to them they can adapt the practice.

"Jane has had ME for twenty-five years. For most of that time her life has been very restricted and she has been unable to leave the house or do simple tasks such as cooking.

She also suffers from constant pain. Jane started remedial yoga eight months ago and since then her energy has increased dramatically, the pain has subsided and she can now walk for up to forty minutes at a time; something she though she would never do again.

In October she travelled to a yoga retreat in Turkey. This was the first time that she had been abroad for 14 years. As well as taking part in the twice-daily yoga classes, she also swam in the sea.

'I know I have a long way to go before I fully recover,' she says, 'but yoga has changed my life. I am now heading towards a state of wellness. Best of all, I feel much happier in myself and much more accepting and calm about where I am in my life.'

There are many claims made about ‘cures' for ME. Is yoga just another one, or can it provide a genuine way out of this complex syndrome?

Many yoga teachers don't even understand the condition, although there are around 250,000 people with ME in the UK and teachers inevitably come across it; usually with students who try to keep up with a class and then give up. So what exactly is ME and how can yoga help?"




"'Having ME is like having flu, then running a marathon through treacle, then being forced to stay up all night and revise for an exam. Sometimes the fatigue is just incredible,' explains Jane.

'The trouble is that those of us with it don't always look ill, so people just don't understand. Also, we had so much bad press a few years ago that there are still people out there who think that we are malingers or just being lazy.

Some doctors think this too - that we should be forced back to health with more activity when actually we need rest. The term ‘yuppie flu' used by some journalists was incredibly unhelpful'.

Like many people with ME, Jane initially had a bad experience with yoga. When she was first ill she went to a class where the teacher pushed her too hard, although she admits that she also pushed herself by trying to keep up with everyone else."

http://www.yoga-abode.com/wellbeing/yoga_for+ME_and_chronic_fatigue

Here is a video that is specifically tailored for CFS sufferers, it is made in someones living room so maybe not the most professional but interesting none the less

Yoga specialist Allannah demonstrates a series of postures to help you combat fatigue. Especially useful for CFS sufferers, helping your hormonal and immune systems. Feel better, breathe deeper and regain your energy!

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[Polyamine]

I am not well versed on Spiritual or energy healing, but if you would like help from a medical standpoint, I may be of assistance. The problem can arise in that everyone has slightly different issues even though they all have CFS. I will answer questions if I can.

Hello Polyamine,

Any information you could share in regards to this condition and how to treat it would be useful.

The only solution which was offered to me by one of the best hospitals in my country was anti-depressants. I refused to take them because I am not a depressed person and I've seen too many people on anti-depressants who lost their will to do anything once on these drugs.

I read about a drug being experimented with called "Ampligen". What do you know of this drug? To the best of my knowledge, it has not yet been approved. I also read that this drug would cost around $60.00 per day! This would be cost prohibitive for most sufferers of this condition, including myself. Also, I don't believe that such a complex condition would be cured by a drug. As you very well know, this is not as simple has having a bacterial infection which will be killed by antibiotics.

If you are an M.D. and have had patients with CFS that you were able to help, please tell us which protocols you administered.

If you are medically trained but not practicing, your knowledge and expertise would be equally appreciated.

Thank you.

If I had CFS, I'd get genetic testing done at 23andme.com and see what genes have mutated to prevent proper cellular functioning. I'd then run the results through Geneticgenie.org to see what comes out for recommendations. The test costs $100 which is cheap considering what you learn from it. I'd order a UEE and a UAA from holisticheal.com and see what you are deficient of and supplement (or eat foods high in what you are deficient of). I'd take probiotics to get your GI flora back to where they need to be because I can promise you, your flora is messed up. Raw foods help your GI flora so begin eating a lot of raw veggies and foods. The tests are a little more pricey at a total of $500, so if you can't afford it, I'd search your side effects and see if you can determine what you are deficient of.
I'd order and start taking Pectasol-C powder. Amazon has the best prices at $71 a lb. That's pricey but lasts a month and should help with toxin removal. CFS is probably caused by a combination of toxins and pathogens in the body. Pathogens cause the toxins to accumulate and your immune response isn't strong enough to take care of the pathogens.

[Daughter of Time]

I am not well versed on Spiritual or energy healing, but if you would like help from a medical standpoint, I may be of assistance. The problem can arise in that everyone has slightly different issues even though they all have CFS. I will answer questions if I can.

Hello Polyamine,

Any information you could share in regards to this condition and how to treat it would be useful.

The only solution which was offered to me by one of the best hospitals in my country was anti-depressants. I refused to take them because I am not a depressed person and I've seen too many people on anti-depressants who lost their will to do anything once on these drugs.

I read about a drug being experimented with called "Ampligen". What do you know of this drug? To the best of my knowledge, it has not yet been approved. I also read that this drug would cost around $60.00 per day! This would be cost prohibitive for most sufferers of this condition, including myself. Also, I don't believe that such a complex condition would be cured by a drug. As you very well know, this is not as simple has having a bacterial infection which will be killed by antibiotics.

If you are an M.D. and have had patients with CFS that you were able to help, please tell us which protocols you administered.

If you are medically trained but not practicing, your knowledge and expertise would be equally appreciated.

Thank you.

If I had CFS, I'd get genetic testing done at 23andme.com and see what genes have mutated to prevent proper cellular functioning. I'd then run the results through Geneticgenie.org to see what comes out for recommendations. The test costs $100 which is cheap considering what you learn from it. I'd order a UEE and a UAA from holisticheal.com and see what you are deficient of and supplement (or eat foods high in what you are deficient of). I'd take probiotics to get your GI flora back to where they need to be because I can promise you, your flora is messed up. Raw foods help your GI flora so begin eating a lot of raw veggies and foods. The tests are a little more pricey at a total of $500, so if you can't afford it, I'd search your side effects and see if you can determine what you are deficient of.
I'd order and start taking Pectasol-C powder. Amazon has the best prices at $71 a lb. That's pricey but lasts a month and should help with toxin removal. CFS is probably caused by a combination of toxins and pathogens in the body. Pathogens cause the toxins to accumulate and your immune response isn't strong enough to take care of the pathogens.

Thank you, Polyamine!

I guess it's time to get some tests done which were probably not done in my 1 year of tests at the local hospital even though they told me I'd been tested for everything.

The rest is pretty much covered:

Probiotics: I take 70 billion CFU daily. I also consume kefir and sauerkraut daily.

Supplements: I take them all and they're all high quality.

I was on a raw vegan diet for 6 months and all it did was put on weight as I was so fatigued and famished that I ate fruit all day long - result: 15 lb. gain in 6 months!

After undergoing chelation therapy for two years in order to remove the high levels of heavy metals which were found, I took apple pectin for 1 year which I imagine is equivalent to Pectasol-C powder. Perhaps it's time to do it again.

So I guess it's time for genetic testing now. That will be interesting to see.

Again, thank you!

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I just checked 23andme.com and although they offer genetic testing, they no longer offer health related genetic reports - something to do with government regulations which may or may not become available again in the future.

So, Polyamine, would you still suggest that it's worth having genetic tests even though they no longer cover health related genetic reports?

Thanks,
DoT

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I am absolutely in over my head this week w/ stress and family drama.

For those with CFS etc. this is a very deadly thing indeed, nothing like a family quarrel to seal an already crappy deal.

My mom has no effing idea how little energy i have compared to her at times,
how lucky i am to feel well w/o my green medicine etc.


Amzer Zo your liver list was pure gold, am sure this is part of what's wrong --
my former doctor told me my liver was *****... super elevated enzymes and other troubles too.

gluten allergy whole nine yards..


I had blood in my stool last night, not sure if from Thai food or stress.


@_@ life is deadly lol

[Polyamine]

Here is something to discuss with your physician. This is highly likely as one factor contributing to CFS and I've had a patient before with nasal pseudomonas with CFS symptoms. If the information in the link is correct, you need to discontinue eating corn and peanuts. I don't recommend a vegan lifestyle, but raw vegetables is the most healthy way to eat as long as you eat meat once or twice a week. The genetic testing will tell us how you are processing things on the cellular level.

http://cfspatientadvocate.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/dr-joseph-brewer-and-mycotoxins-update.html?m=1

Apple pectin is similar to Pectasol-C but they actually sequester different metals. The citrus pectin is better IMO. If your methylation pathways are blocked as bad as I think they are, continual detoxification with Pectasol-C may be warranted.

[The Truth Is In There]

... now, if you ground yourself that electricity will go into the earth. it's called potential equalization because due to the electric fields your body has become a higher electric potential than the earth. what do you suppose the current does to your body when it goes through it? it's debatable, however, what is more harmful, just being exposed to electric fields or being grounded while exposed to them. none of it is good for you.
My previous question was unclear, sorry.

I'll ask again.

What is your source for this unusual theory that grounding yourself, while in the present of electro-magnetic fields (I mean the fields, not the high currents caused by touching say a high voltage line), is more harmful and not good for you?

well, i can recommend an excellent book but that will do you little good unless you speak german. i don't know if it's available in english.

http://www.baubiologie-shop.de/site/wp-content/uploads/cache/stress1_362_neu_362.png
http://www.baubiologie-shop.de/elektrosmog-wohngifte/stress-strom-strahlung

over 1000 pages of vital info from building biology experts with over 30 years of experience.


apart from that, i have my body. it tells me which energy is healthy and which is harmful for me, not just from man-made electric or magnetic fields whose energy is strongly degenerative, and yet most people don't even feel it, but also subtle energy which can't be measured and is not acknowledged to exist by the current level of human science.

[The Truth Is In There]

Hi Again, I am also struggling with low energy levels and live in a area fairly saturated with Wi-Fi etc. I am also a empath, spiritually orientated etc. Since I cant move at this time I'm finding the suggestions of The Truth is in There helpful. Making a orgone blanket has now crossed my mind. Perhaps a box. I like the idea of maximizing my sleeping area for the best recovery during sleep.

Whoops, just found this..
Use an accumulator only in an area that is not strongly contaminated by electromagnetic pollution. Those who live in farmland and the countryside are in luck, while those in the cities are strongly advised against building an ORAC at all. Wireless routers, cell-phones, Bluetooth devices, and generally any other wireless device will contaminate the energy field of your accumulator. Remember that the accumulator only absorbs the energy already present in the environment. If that energy in your area happens to be toxic, the health effect of the accumulator will also be toxic. You could do tremendous harm to your health by using an accumulator directly next to a cellphone tower, for example. http://vibrantenergy.hubpages.com/hub/How-to-build-an-Orgone-Accumulator

interesting, i did not know about that.

i have to add that i've never built an orgon accumulator for myself so i can't say if that information is true or not, from my perspective. it may well be correct but if it's built like a faraday cage i think the em-waves would be blocked to a very high percentage, up to 99% depending on which material is used.

what i do have, however, is a garden shed that's made of metal and even though it does not have a non-metallic wall outside of it, just the metal walls, it accumulates orgon and i can measure a higher percentage than for example in my garden or house. the surrounding area has about 3000 bovis and inside the shed the level is always much higher, but different depending on time of day, weather etc.

anyway, it is exposed to the cell phone tower in our village but that does not seem to influence the orgon that accumulates negatively, at least not more than the surrounding area is influenced negatively. i guess one would have to measure it in an orgone accumulator that is closer to a cell phone tower. not me, though, thank you very much. :o

at any rate, living near cell phone towers, radar facilities, radio and tv stations and the like, as well as using cell phones or any wireless technology can only result in damage to health. there is absolutely no doubt about that. it's all intentional. i'm astonished that so few people realize it but then, it's very clear to me that sufficient life energy is the basis of health and lack of it, as well as the purposeful disruption of its natural flow, is the cause of disease and death and yet most people rather try this supplement or that vitamin, this superfood or that new health fad. the world is clearly not ready for this information yet and looking around i think it never will be. this planet is doomed, and humans in their current form as well. that's becoming more and more apparent every day.

[onawah]

I'm sure there are homeopathic remedies that are helpful for CFS, though I haven't researched that much as yet.
Aurum Metallicum is one that is reputed to help:
http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-aurum-metallicum.htm
Here's a link for info about remedies for EMF sensitivity:
http://www.electricsense.com/2620/could-homeopathy-cure-electrical-sensitivity/

[onawah]

Re EMF sensitivity, someone just told me about this site today:
http://www.earthcalm.com/
She has one of the plug-in devices that cost about $300, and she said it helps.

[LoneWolf76]

My girlfrined had Glandular Fever for over a year. It has symptoms like CF, but other than that I don't know how closely related they are. I have never been a fan of mainstream medecine, so I have for many years, gone to my friends for help. Many of them practice alternative medicine/therapies.

I booked an AMATSU treatment for her, and the transformation was almost miraculous. I expected improvement, but not so quickly. I would advise anyone suffering from this condition (or any condition for that matter) to give it a go.

I know many people with health problems, and have advised them similarly, but so many seem to think of it as a "quack" therapy, and battle on with their mainstream medical treatments, when it hasn't helped them so far other than maybe treating some of the symptoms temporarily.

AMATSU is an ancient art, based on the holistic healing of the body, of helping the body heal itself (as it is built to do). It generally will deals with some of the symptoms, but only in an effort to allow the body to start to heal itself. It deals with the ROOT cause of whatever ails you, and it is sometimes a big surprise as to what that cause it. Often there are many interlocking causes.

It's not a miracle cure, and sometimes takes many treatments, but my personal experience, is that it starts straight away.

Don't dismiss it out of hand, or through ignorance. Find a practitioner and give it a go, it could be the start of your "new" life!

- LoneWolf

[homesickalien]

Hi,

I've been a regular visitor to Avalon for a long time as a reader but never actually joined in. However I thought I would comment here on this CFS thread as I have experiences that might help people.

I've had health issues pretty much all my life and they started to become debilitating around 1996. I've had chronic fatigue which I consider to be a symptom rather than a condition by itself. I actually found out 2 years ago what was making me sick and it is something that you guys probably haven't considered so I'm sharing in case it helps somebody.

The actual root cause in my case was due to a problem with my bite. My jaw was too far back insider my skull and twisted to the side. It seems that I experienced some kind of trauma at birth. I was never even aware of this until I went to see a holistic dentist to get my mercury fillings safely removed. He told me that I had a bite problem and that he believed this was the main cause of my chronic fatigue. I had head X-Rays done and from this my dentist felt that I probably had an impinged vagus nerve.

The vagus nerve controls you parasympathetic nervous system which is what calms you down by by restoring you breathing, heart rate, blood pressure etc back to it's normal state. It's like taking the foot off the gas. When it doesn't function properly it's like your nervous system is stuck in top gear in fight or flight all the time burning up adrenaline. I was hypernsensitve and hypervigilant all the time I was wired from overactive adrenals which resulted in chronic fatigue.

The skull is made up of about 24 bones and there is a degree of elasticity between them, it's not one solid piece of bone with a movable jaw. The tension in the skull from misalignment creates pressure in the skull which can affect the pituitary gland. The pituitary gland controls the thyroid and adrenals.

There was an article in the Daily Mail a few weeks ago how people can get end up with chronic fatigue following injuries as it can cause damage to the pituitary gland. This sounded similar to what I've had.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2631263/How-doctors-failing-spot-brain-injury-30-000-cases-chronic-fatigue.html

So if you are suffering from chronic fatigue you might want to visit a holistic or orthopedic dentist and get your jaw checked out. It took me over 15 years to figure this out. I know there loads of potential causes for chronic fatigue and my story won't be relevant to many people but it may help somebody.

Also don't forget the relationship between the adrenals and chronic fatigue, I found Dr.Lam's website to be the best source of help on adrenal fatigue.

http://www.drlam.com/articles/adrenalexhaustion.asp

His protocol helped me, but it was the dentist who discovered the root casue of the problem. I've still got about 9 months of dental treatment to go and it's definitely been having a big improvement on my chronic fatigue.

I've had a my jaw fixed by wearing special braces and i'm now having orthodontics to make my teeth fit my new jaw position. Since I had my jaw corrected I've put on two stone in weight (I'm 12 stone now), I was very skinny before and I think I must have had a very fast metabolism as I could never put on weight. The vagus nerve controls digestion and food went through me so quickly I had loose stools all the time and didn't absorb food propery. That's all cleared up now.

I also only used to sleep 4 hours a night as I used to feel wide awake all the time due to excess adrenaline despite being fatigue all the time. I can now sleep 7-8 hours a night. I feel a lot calmer and nowhere near as hypersensitive I was. That's all from having my jaw positon corrected. I still have chronic fatigue but that's improved about 60% in the last couple of years. My journeys not over but I'm getting a lot closer to where I want to be.

[Wind]

Thanks for sharing your story homesickalien, I did knock my head a few times when I was younger, but I don't think that the damages very severe and in fact I think that many children do get minor damage to their heads... Stories like yours do give a lot of hope, this syndrome isn't incurable. It may just take a lot of time to figure out how it should be treated individually.

[conk]

....My journeys not over but I'm getting a lot closer to where I want to be.Thanks for sharing. There is lots of evidence now to support your story and contention. Everything is connected to everything else!

Perhaps you were injured with forceps at time of delivery. According to many alternative healers this is the cause of so many ailments. Not just forceps, but any kind of trauma or injury in our developing years. Not just physical injury, but emotional as well. A disruption in lines of communication between our physical manifestation and our glorious Divine Intelligence. The injury can hinder the connection to our blueprint, blocking or slowing the flow of life throughout the body. This is one reason Yoga or dynamic stretching is so beneficial. Elongation of the vast connective tissues restores the lines of communication and allows proper flow of chi/prana/life-force/power.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

that is super interesting, about the TBI etc. causing fatigue.

it also correlates with the GWS w/ the troops and autism-related symptoms.

common factor w/ mil and asd is brain injury on micro level

[Bill Ryan]

I'm sure there are homeopathic remedies that are helpful for CFS, though I haven't researched that much as yet.


Here's an excellent source... based in Austria, but they speak perfect English if you e-mail them, and they regularly ship to the US with zero problems.

http://www.remedia-homeopathy.com/en/homeopathy/Epstein-Barr-Nos/a397.html

[Mac]

Here is an outside chance.....Google-Symptoms and Signs of Atlas Subluxation ---The Av members who have navigated the kundalini would mention a couple of audible cracks and pops that happen in the skull.The atlas realignment is the big pop in most people.A major symptom of it being off' is cfs,just a passing thought.Getting this diagnosed would be pricey i would imagine.There are treatments for it but a minefield probably.8)

[homesickalien]

I've noticed for quite a long time that my chronic fatigue symptoms seem to follow the lunar phases. My energy levels pick up a day or two after the full moon and then drop off around the new moon. Same goes with libido which lasts for 2 weeks from full moon to new moon and then disappears compleltely. I have a few days of very achey muscles around the full moon. It was full moon yesterday and the muscle fatigue and aches were at their worst especially in my legs.

Here's a couple of other things that I know have helped other people with chronic fatigue...

http://www.guptaprogramme.com/

Somebody I know with CFS said the thing that helped her the most was Donna Eden's 5 minute energy routine...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gffKhttrRw4

http://innersource.net/em/

[Sidney]

Here is one mans blog, and the connecting of the dots with regards to chronic illness (CFS/CFIDS, and others) and their relationships to chronic radiation exposure.
In my opinion, it is kind of jaw dropping. Historically, the exposure that people have had to radiation, either directly, or indirectly (our ancestors).
http://optimalprediction.com/wp/fukushima-aids-part-2-chronic-radiation-sickness/

[The Truth Is In There]

I've noticed for quite a long time that my chronic fatigue symptoms seem to follow the lunar phases. My energy levels pick up a day or two after the full moon and then drop off around the new moon. Same goes with libido which lasts for 2 weeks from full moon to new moon and then disappears compleltely. I have a few days of very achey muscles around the full moon. It was full moon yesterday and the muscle fatigue and aches were at their worst especially in my legs.

Here's a couple of other things that I know have helped other people with chronic fatigue...

http://www.guptaprogramme.com/

Somebody I know with CFS said the thing that helped her the most was Donna Eden's 5 minute energy routine...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gffKhttrRw4

http://innersource.net/em/

people won't believe me this but it's because the moon's energy is negative and increases degeneration. it's reflected sun energy which is positive/regenerating (unless you overdo it). that's why sensitive people will wake up in full moon nights or sleep poorly, why physical as well as psychological problems get worse around full moon.

basically, the normal energy level, whatever it is in a certain place, takes a drop towards the negative. "negative" means negative for the physical part of ourselves but positive for the non-physical, so psychic phenomena and spirit contact are stronger in full moon nights. this again, explains why certain phenomena occur mostly during full moon, or why rituals and stuff are normally done in full moon nights.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Was Googling "can hot shower cause nausea" and found:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthostatic_intolerance


Orthostatic intolerance (OI) is the development of symptoms when standing upright which are relieved when sitting back down again.[1] There are many types of orthostatic intolerance. OI can be a subcategory of dysautonomia, a disorder of the autonomic nervous system[2] occurring when an individual stands up.[3]

It affects more women than men (female-to-male ratio is at least 4:1), usually under the age of 35.[4]

Up to 97% of people who have chronic fatigue syndrome have been shown in studies to have some form of OI.[5]

Orthostatic intolerance occurs in humans because standing upright is a fundamental stressor and requires rapid and effective circulatory and neurologic compensations to maintain blood pressure, cerebral blood flow, and consciousness. When a human stands, approximately 750 mL of thoracic blood is abruptly translocated downward. People who suffer from OI lack the basic mechanisms to compensate for this deficit.[1] Changes in heart rate, blood pressure, and cerebral blood flow that produce OI may be caused by abnormalities in the interactions between blood volume control, the cardiovascular system, the nervous system and circulation control systems.[6]

Symptoms of OI are triggered by the following:

An upright posture for long periods of time (e.g. standing in line, standing in a shower, or even sitting at a desk).
A warm environment (such as in hot summer weather, a hot crowded room, a hot shower or bath, after exercise).
Emotionally stressful events (seeing blood or gory scenes, being scared or anxious).
Astronauts returning from space not yet re-adapted to gravity.[7]
Extended bedrest[7]
Inadequate fluid and salt intake.[8]

[angelichuman]

Hi Again, I am also struggling with low energy levels and live in a area fairly saturated with Wi-Fi etc. I am also a empath, spiritually orientated etc. Since I cant move at this time I'm finding the suggestions of The Truth is in There helpful. Making a orgone blanket has now crossed my mind. Perhaps a box. I like the idea of maximizing my sleeping area for the best recovery during sleep.

Whoops, just found this..
Use an accumulator only in an area that is not strongly contaminated by electromagnetic pollution. Those who live in farmland and the countryside are in luck, while those in the cities are strongly advised against building an ORAC at all. Wireless routers, cell-phones, Bluetooth devices, and generally any other wireless device will contaminate the energy field of your accumulator. Remember that the accumulator only absorbs the energy already present in the environment. If that energy in your area happens to be toxic, the health effect of the accumulator will also be toxic. You could do tremendous harm to your health by using an accumulator directly next to a cellphone tower, for example. http://vibrantenergy.hubpages.com/hub/How-to-build-an-Orgone-Accumulator

My knowledge as of today, is that those of us more sensitive to emf's , one cause could be that we have too many heavy metals in our bodies.
So the short answer to clear heavy metals is stuff like chlorella and Spirulina...

[angelichuman]

THANK YOU for this.
Yes, a virus seems to fit.
My "gut feeling" told me we have something akin to AIDS.
I would rather die fast than slow.

But fate dealt us a cruel blow, in that our dance partner has no face, nowhere to put the sword -- lol :(

(SO WEIRD while typing this my liver started aching. i haven't even walked today -- why would i have a stitch?)

@_@ the more i worry the sicker i get, also i feel a diarrhea coming LMAO tmi






_______________________

I am proud of you for teaching in spite of the illness.
It's a good choice of job, because when you tire you can just give some free time or busy work, turn on music or take the class outside.

i would just take them outside and not even tell the staff "it's for my personal health" lol


:) some vitamin D and no fluorescent light = good trade

Don't give up. Sometimes it can take time to heal fully. Keep clearing out, detox only slowly, take green drinks or chlorella tabs, be gentle with yourself, get healing treatments from whomever you are guided to go see.
Bless!

[pathaka]

Just quickly. All people suffering from CFS, consider looking into:

1. Auto-immune Paleo Diet, Terry Wahls Protocol (results in increased mitochondria per cell, more energy to work per cell)
2. Treatment of body by introducing more negative ions (free electrons) to cells to do their work, Dr. Jerry Tennant
3. PEMF therapy to get those ion channels and blood vessels moving and helping cell membrane to communicate, Dr William Pawluk
4. Reducing radiation, chemical exposure, environmental toxin, food additives, GMO, wireless related EMF (incl Wifi + Mobile) and sleep deprivation exposure/stress. Too many resources to list, but check out: Dr Jack Kruse, Robert O. Becker, Dr Olle Johansson, BulletProofexec, Ben Greenfield Fitness, etc.
5. Meditation and/or energy work (like Chi Kung, Qi Gong), Kabat-Zinn, Mantak Chia, etc.

I can guarantee you, that regardless of whether you have CFS or not, you _will_ experience increased energy, vitality, better sleep and faster recovery.

It takes a lot of work and dedication, but it's all worth it. I've done it and am still improving my lifestyle, but the changes have already made a huge difference in my life.

[Joanne Shepard]

Solar Gazing would be what I would try, its free and has healed many :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce4O6p46Y28&feature=player_detailpage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm346TwkAhQ&feature=player_embedded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_08dTYdZ8Q

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Just quickly. All people suffering from CFS, consider looking into:

1. Auto-immune Paleo Diet, Terry Wahls Protocol (results in increased mitochondria per cell, more energy to work per cell)
2. Treatment of body by introducing more negative ions (free electrons) to cells to do their work, Dr. Jerry Tennant
3. PEMF therapy to get those ion channels and blood vessels moving and helping cell membrane to communicate, Dr William Pawluk
4. Reducing radiation, chemical exposure, environmental toxin, food additives, GMO, wireless related EMF (incl Wifi + Mobile) and sleep deprivation exposure/stress. Too many resources to list, but check out: Dr Jack Kruse, Robert O. Becker, Dr Olle Johansson, BulletProofexec, Ben Greenfield Fitness, etc.
5. Meditation and/or energy work (like Chi Kung, Qi Gong), Kabat-Zinn, Mantak Chia, etc.

I can guarantee you, that regardless of whether you have CFS or not, you _will_ experience increased energy, vitality, better sleep and faster recovery.

It takes a lot of work and dedication, but it's all worth it. I've done it and am still improving my lifestyle, but the changes have already made a huge difference in my life.

thanks to all of you!
hey Pathaka,
would walking without shoes or without rubber soles help some?
I heard on here and a few other places that lots of people would heal faster and feel better if they were literally more connected to the Earth.

p;s. to the last poster, i've wondered about sunlight/starlight before and the human metabolism.... also it's not secret that some humans crave the light of the moon as well..... :flame:

[Wind]

Maybe this will help some.

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[Natalia]

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[chocolate]

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Greetings,

It has been awhile.
I was brought here today by fate, and I simply couldn't overlook Rachel and the Opening Post.

I will try to be very brief. I will not present anything 'scientifically proven', though.
And no weed, too. :P

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I see there is a lot of very important information shared here, but I also know how easy it is for it to remain unnoticed, so my share goes as such.

1. Nutrition and natural remedies addressing 'immunity disorders' in a very good detail -- a film that can be downloaded, together with the pdf slides: http://www.herbmentor.com/fibromyalgia/

2. QiGong
( I mean, don't throw things at me, that is what is saving my life, literally. )
Rachel, Tes, I found you a bike, sort of :) . It is not expensive -->
RobertPeng The Master Key: Qigong Secrets for Vitality, Love, and Wisdom (http://www.amazon.com/Master-Key-Qigong-Secrets-Vitality-ebook/dp/B00HZVN60S/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1407352285&sr=8-3&keywords=robert+peng)
and
The Way of Qigong: The Art and Science of Chinese Energy Healing (http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-way-of-qigong-ken-cohen/1111603966?ean=9780345421098&itm=1&usri=9780345421098)

Robert Peng is one of the 'sweetest' people I have come across recently. And he has lots of free videos and articles on his website. The opening of his book reads like a novel, where he explains how he had been brought to QiGong, and how this has saved his life.
Lots of very useful information there, for those brave souls who dare to look.


The second book I've had for an year, and I am currently using it while reading The Master Key. Paper copy with pictures and explanations, highly recommended also.

So,
why am I suggesting books and such.
Well, for starters I cannot legally grow cannabis in my country...

I wish it was easier, but we all suffer from years of what I call living dangerously.
I know I do. And no science, medicine or quick fixes can manage what we have collectively accumulated, and have been exposed to, natural and man-made during those years. Not to mention the emotional blockages we all have to an extend ever since we have been kids. It all starts there, and carries on for as long as we are around, if not addressed properly.

I had to rediscover how my bed feels like for months now, and I do know what means to be really low (and sometimes wishing for a 'faster death' to come).
I have lost my desire to put names and labels to the ways I feel at present, but as I was reading your posts today, I saw a lot of my own struggles reflected there.
It was mentioned before me, but I will repeat that this is one of the mysterious immune disorders, and has many expressions, one of which could be also what we address as a type of autism.


[ A short story, just so that nobody thinks it comes easy:
Today I woke up at around 5 am, for no apparent reason, and I just thought I will give it a go with a simple QiGong practice. I have been turning and tossing in my bed for so long, that I got too tired of being tired.
I am not experienced at all in QiGong, but I guess I have some enthusiasm to compensate for the lack of 'spiritual knowledge' and practices.

From the five frolics I did crane and bear, and bone marrow cleansing together with some standing meditation. It is all very mild and simple, for those who have injured knees, legs and such.
I did manage to spend 1 hour standing on my feet, with arms hurting, took a shower and returned to bed. I was hot and cold at the same time. I guess I looked pretty pathetic. I come from sports of all things!
Later on I had the most amazing 4 hours of sleep. I even had dreams. ]

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So, all of these are just a suggestion, but an educated one.

"I would say that the thrust of my life has been initially about getting free, and then realizing that my freedom is not independent of everybody else. Then I am arriving at that circle where one works on oneself as a gift to other people so that one doesn't create more suffering. I help people as a work on myself and I work on myself to help people. '
Ram Dass

:)

Hope it helps.

PS. The cannabis I mentioned just for a joke. I know it has some great potential to help people suffering from different conditions.
I wish I had some for my dad.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I will check these out for sure :)
thanks you guys for cheering me up.

Life was rough today, my autistic boy had a disappointment on an outing (we drove 1.5 hours to a park that was CLOSED and had to drive another 1.5 to get back to civilization and to an inferior park) and totally wore me out in the car. he was trying to escape the seat belt and booster seat.
he is so strong, i can't imagine being in a situation much more hopeless.
he literally could have fallen out of a moving car on a 60 mph stretch of highway had the door not been locked.

i think parents of autistic kids have 10x the normal stress level, what about you folks?
and not trying to whine here, i want your opinions based on news, friends, and online comments, etc.




i would love to see some more work on why the US veterans are all so ill with CFS.
i think it ties in with the Avalon thread today about vaccines causing illness (posted by another user)



it's not too crazy to be possible.



anyhow looking on the bright side once in a while is good,
and memory exercises help preserve your ability to do that.


so any CFS person needs to devote some time to memory retention or your stress will get worse!
i.e. therapy of some kind or a good activity.


was reading today about why autistic kids masturbate and it's due to "lack of quality tactile experience".
it makes me wonder about the many ways that adults also find to wear themselves out, worrying about everything, but getting little done IRL

[Wind]

I found this seven part video series and a lecture, hopefully they will help others too. I'll have to quit coffee and I'm finally trying to heal my adrenal glands where the problem probably resides, hopefully I will be succesful. It's time for me to put my life back on track again. I am just too tired of being tired. :)

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Hello 9/11

I've been struggling with Lymedisease and complications for 3 years now and have browsed the net and also red some books on the subject, I'm currently reading "Insights into Lyme Disease Treatment" where 13 Lyme-Literate health care Practitioners share their healing strategies; combinations of traditional cures like antibiotics with herbs, homepatics, nutrition, exercise and psychology/spirituality.

Chronic fatigue is one of the some 80 symptoms one may have when infected with Lyme also called "The great mimicker" since the symptoms imitate other diseases. Mold and parasites also thrive in the presence of Lymebacteria and one may have had these prior to the Lymeinfection. The body then gets overloaded with toxins and cannot detox properly.

Also cytokines may be released which can lead to aoutoimmune responses leading to all sorts of problems like chronic fatigue since the thyroid gland is affected and the serotonin levels are changed which can happen even if you "only" have a mold infection or/and parasites. A Lymeinfection will trigger these already existant infections and the other way around; the Lyme will "invite" parasites and mold.

Is there a chance some of you have had a tick bite you're not aware of? Not everyone get the typical bullseye rash or "ring".

I'm now with my 5:th therapist who treats me with a combination of herbs and i have noticed a big change since i started taking them 3 months ago. He states he can get rid of all the "hatchlings"; the Lymebacteria that go and "hide" in a cystform in the tissue. He aslo treats me for mycoplasma i attracted as a complication.

I don't have extreme fatigue anymore and the 40 symptoms I had are now reduced to spitting phlegm from the mycoplasma, my stools are somewhat loose still with gases, I don't feel fully rested when i wake up but the change from before is enormous.

I know there is a Lyme thread but thought there might be a connection here at least for some.

[Natalia]

Hi,

having been off work sick for 9 weeks now with extreme fatigue, some dizzyness and more...I was diagnosed yesterday with post viral fatigue...the doctor said that he thought that it could be ME but that neurologists don't like to diagnose it...

I don't want this thing and it has turned my life upside down...and can last quite a long time...however...

I choose to look at the positives...

Good time to meditate! (lol)

My hero can be even more of a hero to me now!

I'll become the juicing queen!

etc...

How do we date with this thing? Seriously...I have put off joining dating sites for this reason

Sorry I can't clean the house for you, honey, I would really love to, we are going to have to get a cleaner in...

Anyway, maybe some guys find tiredness sexy, who knows, there are all kinds of fetishes...

Soooo...*giggle* on the more serious side of it now...I'll look into it and make some changes to my diet and other things that I need to do...this thread being invaluable to me now and I will read it over...

[Wind]

Amethyst, just know that you're not alone with your problems. I've had this condition for years (well, actually most of my life), but with dietary changes I think that I'm slowly starting to get better. I'll still need to figure out some things, but I know that this too can be treated. :)

[Natalia]

Amethyst, just know that you're not alone with your problems. I've had this condition for years (well, actually most of my life), but with dietary changes I think that I'm slowly starting to get better. I'll still need to figure out some things, but I know that this too can be treated. :)

Hi Wind, thank you. I've experienced tiredness quite often before...but nothing like this bad for this long...the first 3 weeks were the worst...now I am going through the emotions of it...bit scared but also wanting it to get better and know that it can (somewhat, a lot, I don't know)...I feel "lucky" that my internet friend's wife, who has had ME for years and she has helped it naturally, is going to talk with me on Skype about it this morning, and I might share things that might help here (so much has been posted already).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_names_for_chronic_fatigue_syndrome

[Skyhaven]

As for the diet, what helped me a lot was leaving out caffeine (its in a lot of things). Second, and this was a hard one: sugar. I am off of it almost completely, except for some honey, and sweety fruits.

[Natalia]

As for the diet, what helped me a lot was leaving out caffeine (its in a lot of things). Second, and this was a hard one: sugar. I am off of it almost completely, except for some honey, and sweety fruits.

I'm not drinking as much coffee as I used to, but I do need to cut it out.

I just bought these chlorella tablets, recommended by the lady that I spoke to today...they help to get rid of mercury and some other toxins...(and these ones have had their cells walls broken to aid absorption).

http://www.pinksun.co.uk/chlorella/pure-chlorella-gold-1000-x-500mg

[Natalia]

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[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

'Sup? :)

It's getting really cold here at night.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Well I was diagnosed in summer of 2000 after my mini stroke that I had CFS, over time this worsened and I am listed medically as suffering from severe CFS, this as you can imagine messes up my entire life, sometimes housebound and sometimes bedbound, but have to make the best of the situation and cannot let it get me down. Coupled to heart problems at times I inwardly seek respite from the pain but knowing this could cause problems I leave behind and it just is not fair of me to think in those terms. So British stiff upper lip and carry on.

[Natalia]

'Sup? :)

It's getting really cold here at night.

Laying in bed, fatigue plus pmt, lovely! About to have a nap. Before I do, want to share these videos that I watched yesterday, they're really good.

How are you, Tesla? <3

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[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

thank you so much for these videos.
not sure if I ever did post "Road to Perfect Health" probiotics vid but it's amazing (I can never remember her name, i think initials BW), was on PBS at one time or other a few years back.

we left the deck door open last night but it didn't seem to get that cold, lol :)
anyone else get asthma and extra aches/pains when the weather turns?
lmao just like the old folks 100 years ago, "bad weather's a comin', I can feel it in my bones"

XD

p.s Spirit Wolf, i met some people in Seattle who suffered strokes and wondered if Hyperbaric chamber therapy could help them.
somewhere i read that it's one of the only things aside from mmj etc. that helps !

:(

[bruno dante]

I've read many wonderful books and seen many wonderful videos on CFS, and often walk away feeling hopeful....right up until I realize I don't have near enough $ to buy all the recommended stuff.

Dr. Teitelbaum (thanks Wind!) is a great source for information; and he offers an effective powder supplement that takes the place of dozens of supplements. It's affordable too, at about $35 a month. The beauty of it is, after taking the recommended dose for a few weeks or so, you can take less n less until you arrive at a maintenance dose - which will stretch the product out a little longer for you and save you some cash in the process.

I combine the Fatigued To Fantastic Powder with coq10, carnitine, ribose and magnesium. It's really been a godsend. When I can afford it I also take Iodoral(iodine), and a product called PQQ, which actually creates *new* mitochondria in cells. They provide real, tangible results.


p.s. it's quite expensive, but if you can pull it off there's a prominent CFS doc in Wales who will run tests on your blood if you can convince your doc to take your blood to mail it out. I think it ran me $500 total, but was worth it. It confirmed everything I knew to be wrong but elusive to standard tests. It also offers a specific treatment plan for your deficiencies. Dr Sarah Myhill is her name.

[Natalia]

I've read many wonderful books and seen many wonderful videos on CFS, and often walk away feeling hopeful....right up until I realize I don't have near enough $ to buy all the recommended stuff.

Yeah, some of that stuff and even treatments and private tests (and removal of mercury filings) are expensive...I can afford just the supplements right now as I am getting full (sick) pay from work (have been for nearly 3 months now) but if I lose my job and end up on benefits (what can I do? I don't want that but it could happen) I won't be able to get what I am getting now...

For the past some weeks now, I have been taking Chlorella every day, a high strength pro biotic most days (sometimes I forget or don't have the energy to go down the stairs and get it from the fridge...on the bottle it sais take 2 hours after breakfast or dinner, and if I choose to take it after dinner but cannot make it down the stairs I just can't take it...maybe next time I should get one that doesn't need to be in the fridge). Just started to take Vitamin D high strength last week (as my blood test results came back deficient - dr prescribed me high dose Vit D pills to take once a week, but I am adding to it as from my own research I could safety take quite a bit more than that, so 60,000 IU a week on prescription, and 3000 IU a day for the other 6 days)

Also I just received from the post, L carnatine with Alpha Lipoic Acid, and Q10 - I read about it on this page

http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/L_-_Carnitine


Dr. Teitelbaum (thanks Wind!) is a great source for information; and he offers an effective powder supplement that takes the place of dozens of supplements. It's affordable too, at about $35 a month. The beauty of it is, after taking the recommended dose for a few weeks or so, you can take less n less until you arrive at a maintenance dose - which will stretch the product out a little longer for you and save you some cash in the process.

I combine the Fatigued To Fantastic Powder with coq10, carnitine, ribose and magnesium. It's really been a godsend. When I can afford it I also take Iodoral(iodine), and a product called PQQ, which actually creates *new* mitochondria in cells. They provide real, tangible results.

p.s. it's quite expensive, but if you can pull it off there's a prominent CFS doc in Wales who will run tests on your blood if you can convince your doc to take your blood to mail it out. I think it ran me $500 total, but was worth it. It confirmed everything I knew to be wrong but elusive to standard tests. It also offers a specific treatment plan for your deficiencies. Dr Sarah Myhill is her name.

We have seen the same doctor's page online, does seem like she really knows what is wrong and what can help...I did see the test but it is so expensive...maybe I can do it just after I get paid...

For some good news about my situation...

Last Friday I went to see a different GP/doctor, she surprised me at being so understanding about this condition, and without me asking her she referred me to a clinic in a hospital for CFS (I will not take medication, only natural), and maybe I can even get acupuncture, as well, will see...it starts in November...I told her that she was the most understanding doctor that I have seen!

I went to a support group for the first time yesterday, took 2 buses and an hour to get there, I struggled and at times tried to keep my eyes open, body is paying for it now but it was worth it...people there so friendly and understanding, one of the ladies who spoke to me and gave me advice has had it at the same level as me, including the pains, she had it for 9 years so knew what she was talking about when she told me to rest more (even more! I have been spending most of most days laying in bed) but I need to sleep more and it's not been easy to sleep well enough, I slept a bit better before my crash 11 weeks ago...

Another thing, I realized and found out, vaccines can cause M.E/CFS...I found this out this week when I saw a post on face book about a baby dying after being vaccinated, so sad...and I looked it up and found that vaccines can and has caused this illness for some people...here is an article on it and the comments below it are of several people where the same thing happened to them (I work for the NHS in a hospital, I have avoided the flu shot all this time, but work changed part of my job role to be working with ill patients in the clinics assisting the doctor, so they said I had to have Hepatitis B shot, a few weeks later I suddenly fell ill, this was 11 weeks ago and I am still not well...doctors thought it was a virus, so it may have been a virus and/or vaccine that caused it, or triggered it to be worse as I have had fatigue symptoms and milder pains for months before that...)...

http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/hepatitis-b-vaccine-caused-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-us-court/

[sigma6]

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Typical Americans, You left out Urine Therapy ;) the most most universal, safest and cost effective, and lifesaving "practice/discipline/therapy" What I have learned is that it is just as much an exercise of mind as well as body, there is no separating the two..

The biggest issues I see is people pumping themselves full of all kinds of "stuff"... when the problem is "releasing" toxins. The number one issue I see is toxic contamination. This is also the number one issue with maintaining mechanical machinery, ie. exposure to foreign elements. In the case of the body we have an advantage. The body is "designed" to heal itself. We must not forget this... and take this into consideration when we see we have no energy, or we can't lose weight, or illnesses overtake us.

UT not only penetrates the tissues, I think it taps into the body's own ability to create everything we need to heal ourselves (as per "What The Bleep") and recycle it back , purifying the quality of the water in the process while moving from "illness" to "perfect health" There are over 2,500 elements that have yet to be thoroughly studied (but must already be existing and operating in the blood) How much closer can one get to the very essence and life source, which is the blood? In many cases, there may be no substitutes for the "natural chemicals" body is capable of creating... and anything that has been identified is always vitally important, life giving and would be expensive to manufacture or purchase as an artificial supplement.

I still think John Armstrong's "The Water Of Life" and Martha Christie's "Your Own Perfect Medicine" are life changing. Be aware though this is a private and personal therapy, especially in a Western indoctrinated world.

This is something you must enter in yourself, suffer through initially (can't stress enough the mental reprogramming the first week or two, (although some have felt immediate benefit) I did it by studying and restudying the material while I was doing the process, (set everything aside, treat it like a life changing event... don't underestimate the psychological aspect (for some) But when I am getting toxic and bloated it is because I am straying from healthy food and lifestyle habits, ie. essentially over eating, i.e. trying to compensate for the decreasing efficiency of my body's organs which are being contaminated with heavy metals, hydrogenated fats, too much sugar (corn syrup=diabetes, which itself is a result of hormonal imbalance, caused by the body attempting to rid itself of all the excess sugar in the first place, etc) ie. this is all counter productive ultimately...

Releasing toxins, fasting with UT is the best balance between release and rejuvenation, it's all pluses, it's about release, re-balancing the symphony of chemical and hormonal functions, creating massive efficiencies in your body's ability to harmonize it's own functions that are the basis of our health. There is no substitute for what it specifically does.

I think of the lady on YouTube who had almost all her lymph glands removed and told (after the fact, (how nice) that she would die in 6 months... ) But she is still alive today, because she cleanses herself with UT. These aren't minor illness, quite the opposite, most of the people who tried it, did it out of desperation (I know I did!) After being told by the medical community they were on the way out... (thanks money making medical community)

So imagine what it can do for you before you get seriously ill?

[Natalia]

I've been looking into this some more, and at what supplements can help. I am going to start taking D-Ribose (will buy some today - powder, not capsule, the less pills/capsules, the better)

http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/D-ribose

http://www.wholefoodsmagazine.com/news/breaking-news/researchers-say-d-ribose-aids-fibromyalgia009879

Also starting taking Nascent Iodine this week (3 drops a day, 1,950 mcg, but may need to take more)
http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/what-is-nascent-iodine/

http://theiodineproject.webs.com/fmscfsfbdpcosadrena.htm

Another thing that is important is getting the correct beneficial dose of each supplement (I am taking 2 capsules, so 800 mg/day of L Carnatine with 400 mg Lipoic Acid, and the recommended dose for cfs is higher...2 a day for 1 month costs me £46!)

My vegetarian Co enzyme Q-10 is soon to arrive...going to take 200 mg a day (the other one was not vegetarian and I did not know until I read it when I got it).
Here is the vege one I got

http://uk.iherb.com/Country-Life-Gluten-Free-CoQ10-100-mg-120-Veggie-Softgels/16347

I do some research on every supplement that I take...and I have to be my own therapist because I can't afford to see one (the supplements alone are expensive)

So, it's going to take time for the body to heal itself...this condition (when moderate or severe) really changes your life...I have looked at all the positives, but naturally at times it has got me down...and I feel sorry for those who have had it constantly severely for years, such sad stories that you see. The occupation therapist at work that I saw last week recommend that I go to the doctors and ask about antidepressants and for me to take Prozac - no way, but I did not tell her this I was just polite and just wanting to accept what she said and I considered St John's Wort or something else more natural to help with at times low mood related to this condition...(Vitamin D deficiency doesn't help, and from what I have read, when levels are back up again to healthy levels, this can ease depression). She also said that I am not fit for work at all for the next few months...and I cannot even go to a singing class as I get out of breath easily (I cancelled it - booked it 2 months ago as I thought that by now I would be well enough, but I am not).

When I get well again I will really appreciate it! :)

There are stories of people who have recovered mostly or fully from CFS/ME/PVFS on the internet, and these help to give me and others hope...can also see what they did (even if it was just rest and pacing) to help themselves...I have this dvd sent to me for free called Freedom from ME, I will watch it soon. If you want a free copy, you can request it here http://www.freedomfromme.co.uk/free-info-pack/ (the little booklet about ME that they also send to you is really good, imo...they are a healing centre promoting their own business so you get some info on that, too, I'd go if I could afford it but I cannot)

Here is part of the dvd:
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[Natalia]

Btw, warm hugs to everyone :) <3

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[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/30/health/chronic-fatigue-syndrome/index.html?hpt=hp_t3


Chronic fatigue syndrome is real, researchers say
By Jacque Wilson, CNN
October 30, 2014 -- Updated 1600 GMT (0000 HKT)

Some chronic fatigue syndrome patients are dismissed as hypochondriacs, one doctor says.
Some chronic fatigue syndrome patients are dismissed as hypochondriacs, one doctor says.
STORY HIGHLIGHTS

Diagnosing chronic fatigue syndrome is difficult
New study offers hope by showing brain abnormalities in these patients
Chronic fatigue syndrome causes excessive exhaustion

(CNN) -- People with chronic fatigue syndrome are exhausted, no matter how much rest they get, for more than six months at a time. They suffer from muscle and joint pain and may experience short-term memory loss.

But diagnosing chronic fatigue syndrome is difficult, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. There's no blood test or brain scan that definitively identifies the condition, so doctors must first rule out many other disorders with similar symptoms.

A new discovery may change that.

Scientists at Stanford University compared the brain MRI scans of 15 patients with chronic fatigue syndrome with the scans of 14 healthy patients of the same age and gender. They found that the patients with chronic fatigue syndrome had slightly less white matter in their brains. White matter contains your brain's communication cables, which enable regions of the brain to talk to each other.

The scientists also saw abnormalities in a specific tract in the patients' right hemispheres and found that two connection points in the brains of the chronic fatigue patients were thicker than the same connection points in the healthy patients.

"The differences correlated with their fatigue -- the more abnormal the tract, the worse the fatigue," study author Dr. Michael Zeineh said in a statement.

The results of the study were published this week in the journal Radiology.

The study was small, and Zeineh says the research needs to be duplicated with more patients to confirm the results. But it offers hope to those with undiagnosed chronic fatigue syndrome.

"Most CFS patients at some point in time have been accused of being hypochondriacs and their symptoms dismissed by others," Zeineh told Today Health. "And there is still skepticism in the medical community about the diagnosis. That's one of the reasons these findings are important."

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Tell me it's in my ****ing head now guys

[Wind]

I just saw that today, on the news here. Maybe the common denominator is the hard-wiring of the brain & central nervous system and possibly gut health...

So far there has been no real solution for the "condition". Diet, herbs, supplements and energy work may ease the symptoms at times and some people have even almost fully recovered from it. It forces one to slow down and think about life.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Thank you!

We know that white matter loss is linked to Gulf War Syndrome as well.
it's implicated in some kinds of bipolar disorder and related illnesses.
myelin stripping has also been implicated in diseases like autism and rare ones like portrayed in Lorenzo's Oil.

i think lithium is allegedly supposed to regenerate brain tissue, as is marijuana,
but no one knows if it regenerates it in the right way or not.. that i know of.




So... the VA had already noticed that some of the GWS vets had extreme white matter loss.
This was way before the recent scandal.

And didn't we read recently that the line of demarcation in the autistic brain, i.e. where white matter and grey are defined, is indistinct?
like a big homogenized milkshake.

not good.

not good.

thanks for the uplift tho and i will try to keep stayin alive lol :)


the news could almost kill me this week, how bout you people????

[Wind]

The other thing I have noticed about people who suffer from CFS (at least here) that they're more kinder, way more intelligent caring, lovely and sensitive human beings. Is that coincidence? I think not, but it's not always easy to be a mildly autistic person. Sure you have a brain like a fusion reactor going full speed, which is a good servant and a very bad master. If you're in control then it's fine, but sometimes your own mind turns against you and others and then it's not so fun. The mind, that one damn bugger. I know I am bit eccentric, but not a nutter. I believe? :)

[Natalia]

Tell me it's in my ****ing head now guys

I know the feeling!

I was glad to see the "proof" of it when I saw stories of that study posted on face book. It's what they call an "invisible illness" unless it is very severe and it's more obvious (even then some people are doubted).



So far there has been no real solution for the "condition". Diet, herbs, supplements and energy work may ease the symptoms at times and some people have even almost fully recovered from it. It forces one to slow down and think about life.

I have depression now due to this, and increased anxiety...my life was on the way up before...and had fun things going on and I had plans...(as well as the usual ups and downs of life)...now I feel like s**t and like my life has (mostly) been taken away from me. I have become more vulnerable, and weaker in some ways...some things I cannot handle as well anymore...I am at a low point but not the lowest that I have been...I am going soon to see a counselor at my GP surgery for 6 weeks, then going to a clinic for cfs in December (it was November then it got delayed).

I want to get better and I'm going to try and have been trying, and that try also includes pacing and not over doing it. The other day, to please a family member mainly but also to see how much I could do, I walked double the amount of time than I should have done...half way through (after a coffee break and we were going to go back home) my body said no...it's been 2 days since now and my body has suffered and got worse before I did the walk and I could not leave the house...that is why we have to be careful...(as you know)...it's just a very slow recovery...and we got to take care of ourselves...(even though some other people can resist that)...

I have heard that pacing is the main thing that helps people with cfs, so getting just about the right amount of rest and activity that is right for the person at the time...not always easy in life, due to the nature of, life...

I think, in a way, it's harder for people with children (thinking of you Tesla) or where you have to be a physical carer for someone else whose body is not well...

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[Wind]

I too have been told that it's just in my head, mostly by doctors who are clueless and by my father. Anyways, sorry to hear that you are going through a hard time, for me it has been like this for a long time so I had to get used to it and hardly even remember a life before it. It has become a part of me. When it comes to life, well that's a thing of it's own which needs to be figured out. I've been depressed before and I was in a very low point once, but got over it. These days I mostly just have days or periods of melancholy, but I have also accepted it as a part of my personality.

Thankfully I know how to listen to my body so as as long as I don't overdo anything and take it slowly I will be fine. Healing consist of support, true friends, hope, faith in yourself and in the future, laughter and last but not least... love.

[chocolate]

The real problem is when one looks for the solution in the wrong place, in the body and its material packaging.
I have noticed that the first break appears in the finer and most fragile part of a material thing, in some cases that is the nervous system, in other cases is the heart, or the kidneys, and so on. But as long as we look at one specific place or thing there will be no overcoming of any given condition. Be it autoimmune syndromes, cancers, other conditions, insanity, and all things which current science and medical knowledge comprehend not.

Look beyond ... the body, and you'll find the answers.
That is why such kind of illnesses have been given to us right now. And try to partially forget about the 'conspiracy'. There is logic to everything that is happening, and that logic one can find only if one looks in the right place.

'Look for the answers inside your question'
~Rumi

But otherwise look also into kava-kava.

[Wind]

Look beyond ... the body, and you'll find the answers.
That is why such kind of illnesses have been given to us right now. And try to partially forget about the 'conspiracy'. There is logic to everything that is happening, and that logic one can find only if one looks in the right place.

'Look for the answers inside your question'
~Rumi

But otherwise look also into kava-kava.

I agree and thanks for the tip. Lately I've been researching the healing abilities of different herbs, but that one was a new one for me.

http://holisticonline.com/remedies/cfs/cfs_herbs.htm

[chocolate]

http://www.herbcraft.org/kava.html



Kava falls into a class uniquely its own. I know of no other herb like it (nothing I've ever come across could even remotely qualify as a "substitute" for kava), and consider it one of the nature's most exquisite gifts. Though it’s gained (and lost) immense popularity over the last several years (both lauded as "nature's miracle cure for stress and anxiety" and defamed as hepatotoxic), I've always found myself disdainful of the marketing used to sell it to the public. While kava kava doubtless holds immense power for relieving stress and tension, its ongoing daily use as a "supplement" has never sat well with me. I've always felt kava is best enjoyed intentionally, and not as just a part of a daily supplement routine.

Kava is, in my opinion, primarily suited to treating acute stress that settles into the musculature of the body. It is most effective when your mind is overwhelmed and your body is tightly strung from a crazy hectic day and that's what's making you unable to relax.

Wind, I will take a look at the page you posed, too.
I am doing my own research on the qualities and uses of different plants.

[Natalia]

This is a really informative talk on cfs by Richard van Konynenburg

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[Seeker of Knowledge]

This is my first post on the forum so HI everyone reading. I wanted to share with you what my friend who suffered from CFS took to recover completely from it. She was bedridden for years, had to give up her job and could only perform the most rudimentary functions in her life. Thats when she decided to investigate alternative methods in curing herself. She began by using the 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide protocol along with Germanium throughout the day to boost her immune system. She also supplemented with Chlorophyll and juicing fresh veggies and fruits. She told me Germanium was by far the most important potent. All this to say that Oxygen therapies are what cured her. Germanium is like the magic bullet. It reminds of Popeye the sailor man when he ate his spinach! ;)

[Natalia]

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[Wind]

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[Natalia]

Hi guys,

my CFS/M.E has been getting quite a bit better and I wanted to share what has helped me

Since December: L Carnatine (800 mg/day, uped to 2000 mg/day a week ago), Lipoic acid (500 mg/day), Co Enzyme Q10 (200 mg/day), Vitamin B12 spray (1200 mg/day), Vitamin C (2000-4000 mg/day), and recently Iodine (3 drops of nascent Iodine/day)...btw, that is roughly the main Dr Sarah Myhill Protocol...(minus a few other things...)...

I have also been taking a herbal medicine mix for nearly 6 weeks, prescribed from a doctor who also is a qualified medical herbalist, which included Echinacea Premium, Licorice, Indian Ginseng, Damiana, and Camomile.

Pacing...listening to body when it sais to rest, but also building my activity up a bit when I can...the balance is not easy to "find", partly because it constantly changes...

Counseling - this has helped me to release stuff with someone listening, stuff I hardly talk about with anyone...

(diet - nothing specific but a bit more raw food, sometimes fresh juices, less gluten and wheat as possible, improvements still needed).

Acceptance...no longer get frustrated about having this, I appreciate better days and know that it can get better (or worse) but life is still amazing in all of it's little ways! :)

I hope you all get better (at least a bit) <3

I go back to work (starting) part time, working alternate days from next week (with days off as rest/recovery days), this is good but also there are no guarantees...luckily for me my managers and some co workers are very supportive about this...

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

a heartfelt thanks to you who shared remedies.
it's a lot harder to practice than to read, lemme tell you.
but the success stories are really worth reading/saving.

because it's real people sharing their method of recovering health.

with the vaccine propaganda out there this week,
we need to be at our strongest and in teh middle of winter that just isn't gonna happen for most white people

edit I imagine many races have vitamin deficiency in winter but the whites whined/wrote poetry about it more often lol :scared:

[Rozzy]

I have not read the entire thread so if this is redundant please skip.

I am not a Dr. and have only my anecdotal experience, but it is long and pretty extensive IMHO.

One of the basics where we suffer huge energy loss is Iodine deficiency, low on iodine, low on energy. Supplementing Lugols Iodine will give a noticeable boost very quickly (same day). Clearing your whole body with MMS really helps to allow the body to return to a state of normal. A few micrograms (50 - 100 MCG) of selenium will go very nicely with the Lugols, it seems to help your body absorb the iodine and you are likely deficient in Selenium and could use a few MCG anyway.

[Natalia]

I wrote something on CFS/ME here (along with posting a news article that came out today)

Chronic Fatigue Syndromme and/or ME - Some Truths
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79822-Chronic-Fatigue-Syndromme-and-or-ME-Some-Truths&p=932147&viewfull=1#post932147

[Natalia]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80847-I-might-be-sacked-because-of-my-illness-legal-advice-needed&p=944572#post944572

[Gatita]

I haven't read the entire thread, but many of the experiences can be related to hypothyroidism. Even the salt craving, since iodized salt is a source of iodine. It might be worth checking into the possibility.

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[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

check it out CNN finally woke up to the dangers of soda/corn syrup without minerals/good carbs:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/27/health/stop-drinking-soda/index.html

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p.s. we could *cough* sue the bases for putting soda machines instead of water fountain lmao,
ice cream machines and coke machines where you call family on the phone in basic training...
pavlov much @_@

it was really bad to develop the habit then, of drinking soda and eating candy/fast food instead of healthy.
if only they'd had some common sense....................

whoever let those contracts happen needs a huge kick in the fat ass


p.s. to you above me there,
i knew about 3 people in my shop who suffered thyroid disease (self and two others).
do you think it was soda pop or the shots or both?

[Rhah]

Hi Tesla,

First of all, thank you for this post. I had personally never actually heard of this disease before, so I found it very interesting to read about. And because I share some similarities in symptoms and experiences I decided to share those with you and our fellow Avalonians. If you don't mind.


I'd like to start with my sleeping (or lack thereof I should say).

According to my parents, I never was a good sleeper. Even as a baby I would fall asleep late at night and would wake up very early in the morning, resulting in only a couple of hours of sleep every night. This would continue throughout my younger years without ever really (visuably) affecting me.
Though at the age of about 9 or 10 (to the best of my knowledge) I remember simply not being able to fall asleep one particular night. I was still awake when my parent went to bed (which, even with my unusual sleeping patterns, was unusual at the time) and for several hours after that as well.
The only way I can describe it is that this must've been a real traumatic experience for me. Because ever since that night I became aware of my 'inability' to have a proper, good night's sleep. Which really worried me.
This resulted in me being (literally) afraid throughout the day, every single day of the week, of not being able to fall asleep that night. Such a mindset was obviously not beneficial and only made my ability to naturally fall asleep even worse - increasing the fear even more.

I'm talking about being 11/12/13 years old here. So as you can imagine this had a tremendous effect on my state of mind during the day. Simply not being able to enjoy little things like playing out with my friends because being continuously worried about whether or not I'd be having another sleepless night that night. As just one of many examples.

Throughout the years I have been in contact with a great deal of doctors, spiritual doctors, gurus, homeopathists, you name it, to not only try and find the cause of my sleeping problem, but, of course, also to find a possible cure. Because of this I have taken many different kinds of medicine (can't even remember them all anymore) and supplies like special kinds of tea and what have you. Unfortunately though, nothing really seemed to help to which a fair few of the doctors eventually said to me that I simply had insomnia and that I should try to live with it.

Fortunately I have managed to accept that this is now part of my life. Which, eventually, got away with the fear of not being able to sleep at night. I do still suffer many insomniac nights, and when I do fall asleep it still often takes me about 2 to 3, sometimes 4, hours before that actually happens. But I have accepted it, and luckily do not worry about it anymore during the day.
It has, however, resulted in me lacking energy and feeling exhausted/tired pretty much every single day. For which I unfortunately haven't yet found a cure or solution. I have, however, been taking melatonin pills every night before I go to bed which I feel help to some extent. They are certainly no cure, but I do feel that they reduce the time it takes me to fall asleep. Which I obviously welcome with open arms.


Now, let's talk about my depression.

I pretty much have been depressed, or atleast have had depressing thoughts, since my early teenage years (12-13 years old I'd say). If my problems with sleeping have been a causal factor in this I can't really say, but I do know that it certainly didn't help.
It basically comes down to the fact that I simply wasn't able to cope with many aspects of our current way of living. I wasn't able to accept that others, that I viewed as equal human beings, had somehow acquired the right to rule over the rest of us, to decide how we lived our lives, what we could or could not do, etc. I could not wrap my head around that and therefore didn't want to accept it, but at the same time I knew that I was pretty much forced to live my life like that anyway. And most of all, I could not comprehend how we had all just accepted that. Which resulted in a great disappointment in the human race as a whole. (Now I should make clear that I obviously didn't think these things at the age of 12 or 13, but it was certainly present in small amounts and developed throughout my teens.)

Eventually all this resulted in me not being a good student in school, not getting good grades, and this, in turn, resulted in my parents being very disappointed in me. By which they not only gave me the feeling of being worthless, but also drove me further and further away from them. Even to the point that I eventually stopped communicating with them entirely, ruining the relationship with my parents (something which I am luckily in the process of slowly building back up again now that I am starting to become awake and seeing the bigger picture) and feeling completely and utterly alone in this world.
Now I do want to make clear that I was never that kid that terrorized the school or the lives of others because I didn't agree with the rules bestowed upon me, I just simply didn't agree with them and therefore felt that I shouldn't necessarily have to adhere to them just because an "authority" figure tells me to. And because of that, our society being what it is, I was punished for that.

Unfortunately I have also had to live with an extreme amount of suicidal thoughts and beliefs during this very dark period of my life, and have even attempted to take my own life at one occasion (luckily failing in doing so), because to me it felt like that was the only way to get out of this sh*thole of a place that I was forced to live in (pardon my french). I had the idea that my life would only continue to get worse and worse anyway so why bother? And I have had these ideas up to very recently actually.
Though I am very glad to say that since my eyes have began to open and I have started to become awake, these thoughts and ideas have began to disappear. And therefore I feel so happy and privileged to have had the chance to become a part of this lovely community. I already feel that it has helped me a great deal and will only continue to do so. (just wanted to once again put that out there haha)

All of this eventually resulted in me suffering a burn-out in April of last year. Which really was a great shock to me. I have since been seeing a psychologist to help me cope with living and dealing with my negative thoughts and has also been of great help in slowly rebuilding the relationship with my parents. I have also been prescribed an anti-depressive called Citalopram to further help me with my negative thoughts, but I am still a bit skeptical about it and not sure if I should actually be taking them because of my views on the pharmaceutical industry.

I also found it funny that you mentioned that you were a cannabis user, Tesla. Because I am, too, a regular cannabis user. I have been using it on pretty much a daily basis for the past 8 years or so (since the age of about 15) and have felt that it has really helped me a great deal. Especially with easing all of my negative thoughts and being able to cope with them. And also, to some extent, with my sleeping problems.
I just wanted to mention this because I feel that there is still a (unfair) negative prejudice against the use of marijuana among the vast majority of people. Whereas I have a lot of experience with the herb myself and so far have had nothing but positive experiences and help from it.

Finally, there are several more symptoms I often have out of the list that you mentioned in your first post. Being:

Sore throat - (I often have a cold which I find very difficult to shake off and will thus usually have for quite a while)


Irritable bowel


Chills and night sweats - (which I was told could be a side effect of my medicines)


Difficulty maintaining upright position


So yeah, very interesting that you brought this disease up as I could clearly see some similarities in my own life and well-being.

Sorry if I went a bit too off-track or off-topic with my stories, but I must say that it felt really great to share them with all of you and to get it 'out of my system', so to speak. Not many people know this about me (not even my closest friends or relatives), because I feel not many people are interested in hearing other people's problems anymore because they feel they don't get anything out of it and that it's therefore nothing more than a burden. Instead all they're interested in is themselves and self-growth. So that's why I mainly keep these things to myself these days.
However, I feel that this community ís a place where we can be completely honest with eachother and that is an amazing feeling. Thank you.

[Natalia]

Hi Rhah, I am glad that you shared your experiences and got it out of your system. When we have a health problem, it sometimes helps to talk about it and connect with others <3

[Selkie]

Natalia, I can't recall if you mentioned it, but have you been checked for Addison's disease?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addison's_disease

[Natalia]

Hi all,

you've probably read how cfs/me can be caused by a variety of different things (and other members have posted about that in this and other threads)...and that cfs/me can take a long time to heal from...

there are the physical triggers (viral, vaccines, toxins, physical trauma) and there are the emotional and mental triggers (trauma from past abuse)...

It seems to me from reading and watching around, that highly sensitive people who have experienced a lot of trauma, or extreme trauma in their lives, are more prone to getting illnesses like cfs/me, and other illnesses. There is definitely a link between childhood abuse and physical illness...it can lower the immune system or it can make it unbalanced (like in auto immune diseases)...

I'm not going to talk about what caused my trauma, but there has been a lot in my life...and not just childhood...

So, it seems to me that to heal from cfs/me, it's a combination of things...and it depends on the person what can help them...

The Doctor Sarah Myhill protocol has helped me quite a bit, and so has pacing, but I feel that there is more...so I am now looking into the emotional and energetic aspect of things...I posted in a support group and a few people said that EFT and Reiki had helped them...I keep meaning to try EFT but never have stuck to it...

btw, my contract at work has been temporarily changed so to 3 days a week part time, and I will no longer be getting sick pay or full pay, until I can work full time again...so this month was my last full pay for a while and so I got 2 months worth of all of the supplements that I need, and that cost £180! (and that is with some of the items being in the sale and discounted, and a few I still have not got yet)...so it is expensive - but worth it.

[Natalia]

Natalia, I can't recall if you mentioned it, but have you been checked for Addison's disease?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addison's_disease

ooops, sorry Silkie, I missed that. I have not had a check for Addison's disease, which does look like it has mostly cfs like symptoms...Maybe I can ask the cfs doctor when I see him in May. The more things that are ruled out, the better.