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MzVaFf
20th October 2010, 21:01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHoAuk76fT8&feature=player_embedded

Operator
20th October 2010, 21:17
Yes, make this go viral ... and make everybody mad :frusty: ... I think that's exactly the purpose :director: so ... don't buy into it :nono:

MzVaFf
20th October 2010, 21:26
Yes, make this go viral ... and make everybody mad :frusty: ... I think that's exactly the purpose :director: so ... don't buy into it :nono:

Yup I don't buy into a lot of sh!t ,
It's hard to believe in anything nowadays.
It Just makes me Mad that everything gotta be this way you know.... It's sad:(

Celine
20th October 2010, 21:36
Anger is a difficult emotion.

You are not alone

And..

Your almost there ..

- denial

- sadness

- anger

- bargaining

- acceptance

morguana
20th October 2010, 21:39
Mad as hell


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90ELleCQvew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90ELleCQvew

m

MzVaFf
20th October 2010, 21:48
Mad as hell


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90ELleCQvew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90ELleCQvew

m

Yup That's about the size of it ;)

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Anger is a difficult emotion.

You are not alone

And..

Your almost there ..

- denial

- sadness

- anger

- bargaining

- acceptance

But I am happy tho :)

ascendingstarseed
21st October 2010, 07:27
Don't sweat the small stuff...these clips are put out to distract you from the real problems we face in this country. This is just more Obama bashing from the right, designed to make you mad. Why aren't you angry that the right keeps voting to outsource and offshore our jobs? Why aren't you mad that Republicans vote to deny people unemployment, while voting to increase tax's for the wealthiest 2% in the country - the very same people who robbed this country blind for 8 years?! Why weren't you angry when the Republicans voted to take away our right to privacy with the Patriot Act? Why weren't you angry when the Republicans sided with insurance companies to take out the public option from the health care bill? Why aren't you mad the they vote to pay corporations to take our jobs overseas with tax incentives? Trillions and trillions lost in tax breaks to the wealthy, and corporations, and trillions more spent on illegal wars that have killed over one million INNOCENT people over the lie called terrorism, why aren't you mad about that? And Republicans think that's wise policy's on spending????

When the democrats leave office they leave the country in a surplus, Republican's ALWAYS leave us in enormous debt, conservative ideology is hogwash, a lie and is really at the bottom of your anger...except that the right wing propaganda machine has everyone believing that it's Obama's fault that we're in this mess. It's not. This is the culmination of 30 years of planning from the Republican party - Ayn Rand economics, conservative capitalism and it's all a lie. It's failed, look at the mess this country's in...and it's all because of this laisse faire approach that if you let the free market regulate itself everything will be just fine. Just give tax breaks to the wealthy and they will reinvest in the economy - Bu!!sh!t. They take the money and sit on it, hide it in the Cayman islands. Look at this mess this country's in and it's not the Democrats fault.

NO ONE could have turned the economy around from the disaster Bush created, the Republicans have a pledge to destroy America and if you give it back to them that's exactly what will happen, they will finish the job they started...then you will really have something to be mad about. All of this has been planned and orchestrated by a a handuful of right wing elitists, who are lunatics bent on controlling the world. Pretty much everything the Republicans/Teabaggers say is a bald face lie and complete opposite of the truth, I've never in my life seen so much lying in my life. They have no platform, no solutions to the problems so they resort to lying and producing video clips like the one above that target peoples emotions, get them angry instead of addressing the problems this country is facing.

The Republicans hate the fact that a black man is in the White House and it's driving them bat crap crazy, what's been going on with this mid term election is utter insanity. Especially now that corporations have flooded millions into buying brainless. wackodoodle candidates that many people will be stupid enough to vote for - these people know nothing about politics and will buckle over when the corporate bribes start coming in....ya think nothings getting down now?

Wait til Wall Street gets it's hands on our Social Security, corporate schills like O'Donnell will be stupid enough to help abolish the minimum wage, then only the people who can afford police and fire "service" will have that luxury, child labor will return...it will have to because many of the schools will shut down in poorer neighborhoods...they will finish turning this place into a third world country.

Sorry about the rant...I'm sick of hearing right wingers whine about stuff when their party got us into this mess and is chomping at the bit to finish the job. We need to be focused on the real problems, not pettiness - going after Obama's aunt is petty, that's pretty low.

conk
21st October 2010, 13:37
ascendingstarseed, there is no such thing as a surplus or a debt when using fiat currency and fractional banking. It's all an illusion.

Celine
21st October 2010, 13:45
Sorry about the rant...I'm sick of hearing right wingers whine about stuff when their party got us into this mess and is chomping at the bit to finish the job. We need to be focused on the real problems, not pettiness - going after Obama's aunt is petty, that's pretty low.

HEAR HEAR!! Great rant!

The USA is a template for humanity, a prime example of what is happening to all...

Cost... Billions...

Learning a lesson.. Priceless.

Fredkc
21st October 2010, 14:02
America really has but one, or two problems.

One is the Bush/Obama style of fascism, sponsored by a klepto-cracy.
The other is complacency, and thinking the disease will 'fix itself'.

In the end, you cannot teach freedom. It's experiential, and something no one in government can provide.
Arguing over which sick, demented bastard holds the whip this time, only results in more lashings.
Fred

MzVaFf
21st October 2010, 14:40
Sorry about the rant...I'm sick of hearing right wingers whine about stuff when their party got us into this mess and is chomping at the bit to finish the job. We need to be focused on the real problems, not pettiness - going after Obama's aunt is petty, that's pretty low.

Wow I Must Say WOW That opened my eyes up!!!!
Thank You

ascendingstarseed
22nd October 2010, 14:15
America really has but one, or two problems.

One is the Bush/Obama style of fascism, sponsored by a klepto-cracy.
The other is complacency, and thinking the disease will 'fix itself'.

In the end, you cannot teach freedom. It's experiential, and something no one in government can provide.
Arguing over which sick, demented bastard holds the whip this time, only results in more lashings.
Fred

Very well said...right now tho, it really is a case of the lesser of two evils. To better illustrate the situation I would say it's more of a case of "Do we hand it over to the criminals, or the criminally insane."
The Citizens United case opened the flood gates for literally untold amounts of corporate and foreign campaign donations and we're not even allowed to ask where the money is coming from?!? The Chamber of Commerce is soliciting foreign donations and most of it seems geared towards the Republican or Teabagger partys because they favor continued tax breaks for outsourcing our jobs to China and India.

Every time Republicans have voted tax breaks and incentives for corporations, so not only are we losing millions of jobs BUT we're paying the corporations to outsource our jobs!! They want to abolish minimum wage so corporations can pay us as little as they do people in China, they want to give Social Security to Wall Street....

Now that corporate money has completely inundated this mid-term campaign we're beginning to see just how insane things can get when candidates are literally bought and paid for, then propped up with puppet strings a made to dance. Where did some of these people come from, they are absolutely bat crap crazy???

People are also over saturated with advertising and bumper sticker slogans designed to inflame emotions, not address the issues at hand and before long people end up confused, angry and apathetic. Some even say "Let the Republicans have it, let em burn it down!" Because that's what will happen, they will finish their pledge to destroy America.

Unless they are in the upper 2% income bracket, people on who don't vote might as well caste a vote to the Republicans and those on the right are voting are doing so against their own best interests in favor of the corporate interests that have hijacked our democracy and our jobs...and replaced it with fascism, we're even beginning to see things like WWII re-enactments and people running for office proudly wearing Nazi uniforms!!

What's funny is when someone makes a sign of Obama as a Nazi, when the guy making the sign is supporting a fascist agenda that already has a grip on America.

The whole system is broke, right down to the voting machines. It all needs to go, including capitalism. In it's place some form of Democratic Socialism so the playing field is more level and we're all afforded a life of equality in material wealth and education, where our skills and activities we enjoy are utilized for the benefit of all. No monetary system, no greed....IMO it would make people much nicer to each other on so many levels and create so much more freedom and abundance for all!


ok, off my soap box and I'll take my lashings now ;)

sygh
22nd October 2010, 14:54
asendingstarseed,

I read your political post and I don't want to offend you but what you have said is wrong in so many ways. Politics is a funny horse. Generally speaking, different parties are meant to keep checks and balances within our political system. What has been passed in Congress, until most recently, took both parties to do it, with the exception of majority rules. In order to understand what the Federal Reserve does, you have to look at monetary policies. In order to understand what the government does, as far as raising or lowering taxes, etc... goes, you have to look at fiscal policies. Now, you can probably Google most of the information in neat and prepackaged studies done for each administration over the past century to date.

None of us have to agree with it and for the most part, it seems as if we don't get much say in what happens but then, that's why we are supposed to do our homework before we vote a President, and new Congressional leaders into office. I knew very little about NAFTA when Clinton was voted into office, and I most certainly didn't know he ran on that agenda. That's being honest with myself.

NAFTA was signed into effect in 1994. The Democratic party had control of Congress during that time. A pact was signed by Canada, the U.S., and Mexico. This opened our boarders to what can be referred to as Free Trade, or Free Trade Zones. Since then, many trade zones have been implemented. (i.e., CAFTA, AFTA, etc...) These are supposed to be the rules, regulations and incentives, for free trade, as they are set by different countries.

Free Trade should not be confused with Fair Trade. We don't have fair trade at this time. Economists pro-argue that offshoring leads to specialization from country to country. What a country can efficiently produce, in product or service form, they will export; what a country cannot produce, they will import. With this in mind, it's all supposed to balance out. That is the idea behind the Free Trade system.

America signed NAFTA into being, in my opinion, way too soon. My reason for saying that is because we don't have an infrastructure to support it, which makes us rather unemployable. By infrastructure, I mean a railway system and an electrical grid, and we are far too dependent upon oil.

That said, we can think anything we want, as far as what we believe our opponents (and I do not understand why political parties continue to act as if it's ruling a nation equates to a game of sports) to be. But that doesn't necessarily mean what we say is real. Personally, I try to think in terms of my own code of ethics, and the facts, not political jargon, or opinion. It's very hard to find all of the facts we need to make a decent decision, when voting for a political candidate because not all of us wear a thousand hats and, so much of a political race is designed to be PR emotive.

For instance, "Don't vote out of anger." What does that really mean? :drum:

sjkted
22nd October 2010, 15:56
ascendingstarseed: we have never had laissez-faire or Ayn Rand economics in this country in any of our lifetimes. Nor have we had real capitalism. We have had controlled, manipulated markets that were designed to benefit the few at the top. The mess we are in has been created equally by both Democrats and Republicans. There is no difference between the different parties, upon close examination of their actions. For example, note that both parties almost unanimously supported the bank bailouts -- the single greatest act of treason, tyranny, and theft of personal property I have ever witnessed in my life.

Another thing: the lesser of two evils is still evil.

Did you ever read my articles about hedonics?

--sjkted

Operator
22nd October 2010, 17:39
You can have 2 parties ... (well you can have actually as many as you like) ... but there is ONE common believe system: MONEY.
And you know what they say: "Money rules" or a funnier version: "The golden rule .... he who holds the gold rules".

So ... as long as we are in that same believe system we will have the mess we see today ... your choice ?

rien ne va plus !

Swami
22nd October 2010, 18:44
Racoon - Laugh About It


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEGGJoHSD-Q

Teakai
22nd October 2010, 23:44
That video might be a bit of a shock to anyone who thinks the system isn't corrupt.

I have become jaded to the supremacy and perfection of the said system and remain untouched.

One sentence keeps playing over in my head since I heard it - "in the end, only kindness matters." All else seems somehow irrelevant.

ascendingstarseed
23rd October 2010, 10:37
ascendingstarseed: we have never had laissez-faire or Ayn Rand economics in this country in any of our lifetimes. Nor have we had real capitalism. I respectfully disagree, the economic reforms and regulations put in place in the 1930's were aimed at preventing anything like the Great depression from happening again. There was also a depression in the late 1800-s brought on by laizzez faire economics and the entire Bush administration was a period of unfettered economic suicide that led to the having to bail the banks out and a near collapse of the global economy. if you take a look at history this is the same deregulation policies that took place before that led to the Great Depression...

From wikipedia: In economics, laissez-faire - describes an environment in which transactions between private parties are free from state intervention, including restrictive regulations, taxes, tariffs and enforced monopolies.
The phrase is French and literally means "let do", but it broadly implies "let it be", or "leave it alone."

You can't tell me that the eight years under the Bush administration wasn't Laissez Faire, they completely deregulated everything they possibly could so they could get away with murder, that's what Republicans do.
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We have had controlled, manipulated markets that were designed to benefit the few at the top. That's always the case, only it swings to the left and right depending upon the administration. They manipulate us to the brink of disaster, then bring in the good guy for awhile...then they switch. It's like the good cop, bad cop game only on a political scale

The mess we are in has been created equally by both Democrats and Republicans. There is no difference between the different parties, upon close examination of their actions. For example, note that both parties almost unanimously supported the bank bailouts -- the single greatest act of treason, tyranny, and theft of personal property I have ever witnessed in my life. I agree...it was the greatest heist in history and both party's have their hands dirty. The difference is in the types of people that make up the two parties, it has changed.

The Republican party has been hijacked by neoconservative fascists, christian fundamentalist, racists and transnational corporations that will turn this country into Nazi Germany. They have a pledge to finish the job of destroying everything that's good about this country.


Social Security will go,
Minimum wage goodbye out the window too,
Medicare will go,
Police and fired departments will only "service" people who can afford to pay for it.
The Republicans fight for the insurance company's over our health and well being as well as the financial security of this country. Healthcare costs are going through the roof and are the number one factor in personal bankruptcy's;
they offshore our jobs and pay corporations with our tax dollars to do so; The Chamber (Shameber) of Commerce invites Chinese businessmen over here to teach our corporations to ship their company's and our jobs overseas!!!!
The Chamber takes money from transnational corporations and spending here against our best interests!
Republicans will deny us unemployment while voting to give the wealth friends in the top 2% tax breaks worth 3 trillion dollars, and continue granting corporations massive tax breaks, the same ones that ship our jobs overseas!
They drive wages down and have destroyed the Unions - the best thing workers had in their defense.
Republicans want to defund NPR


Sorry, that's NOT the Democrats platform and you can't tell me that would be good for America. So no both parties are the same. One party is made up of people who are absolutely insane, compassionless, greedy corporate warmongering schills who could care less about what happens to the middle class or anything that serves our well being. Granted the Democrats aren't much better but at least they're not voting to take away every safety net the people have. The Republicans hated Roosevelt and right now they are hell bent on destroying everything he did to protect America from going through another Great depression. And much of it is because they hate the fact that a black man is running the country.

The ONLY thing that makes this Depression seem better is the fact that Food Stamps, Unemployment and Social Security are helping people survive and the Republicans would like to see those programs go away. If we got rid of the illegal wars, the 750 useless military bases and brought our soldiers home to rebuild the infrastructure, if we taxed the wealthy equally to the middle class, if corporations paid their share of taxes and we legalized and taxed marijuana we could turn the economy around and be in a surplus in one year!


Another thing: the lesser of two evils is still evil. Your right, but one party will do far less evil damage to America than the other and isn't intent on completely destroying the structures that hold America together, they will completely turn America into a third world country where the few who are working will be working for far less than minimum wage - listen, China is the new consumer economy and they want Americans to be the new Chinese labor working for $2 hour with unemployment so high that we'll be grateful to have a job that we'll work for that little. There really is a difference between the two parties and it's come down to the types of people that make up the partys. Republicans have become the bully party, heartless people who only care about themselves and how much money they make. Democrats care about people, they support helping people who are less fortunate and most haven't completely sold out to the corporations with a fascist grip on America. I guarantee if the Republicans gain control of the houses again voters will really have buyers remorse in a couple of years when Social Security goes away and elderly parents all over the country are moving back in with family members, when the fire dept won't come out because you couldn't afford to pay the $75 fee or the police won't come out when someone is crawling through your bedroom window because the dept can't afford enough officers to answer those calls. Except if you live in a Beverly Hills type neighborhood...

People on the right better turn off Fox, Rush and Beck and wake up to who's been bamboozling them since the 80's, because their party is poised to make the kill...this is what they've been waiting and planning for 30 years. The trillions in Social Security is up first, their friends on Wall Street are dying to get their hands on that money

Did you ever read my articles about hedonics? No, sorry to say I haven't...may I ask if you have you ever listened to a lady named Randi Rhodes? She's turning people on the right around on a daily basis with the truth, in a way no one else is telling it. People have been lied to for so long they really have no idea what's really going on behind the scenes...she lives in Washington DC, knows all the players and is really shedding light on the truth about what's going on, as well as all the games that are being played. She has an incredible research team and has put together a homework section on her website that really spells things out and has the latest "scoops" on current events. Give her two weeks and you will have a different opinion about what's going on and know that it makes a difference this time around http://randirhodes.com
--sjkted

wow what a rant, you got me going but to prove my point it's a matter of breaking down the issues and comparisons...You know it used to be that there wasn't much difference, but now that Citizens United has opened the floodgates for unlimited amounts of undisclosed corporate money into campaigns we're seeing a slew of completely unqualified nutjobs running for office. Nothing more than uneducated mouthpieces for the corporate masters that financed them to run for office so they could do their bidding once elected into office. The Sara Palins, the Christine ODonnels, the Sharon Angles etc aren't even politicians and know nothing about "governing". Citizens United changed it all for the worse...it needs to be overturned if there's any hope of saving what little is left of our broken democracy.

ascendingstarseed
23rd October 2010, 11:11
Wow I Must Say WOW That opened my eyes up!!!!
Thank You

Instead of being mean and picking on her, we should have a heart... she's not a spring chicken anymore, she's disabled and only collecting $700 a month. Which is not easy to live on by any standard and she also gives back by volunteering for two organizations. She even said don't bring Obama into this, he's not to blame...we don't know what their personal truth or relationship is. And it's really none of our business...feels to me like this is an issue of racism more than anything, stereotyping blacks who are on welfare and making much a do about nothing when there are far more serious matters that need our attention. So what if he pulled some strings so she could stay, and maybe she didn't want to accept charity from him either and that's why shes on welfare...we don't know.

sjkted
24th October 2010, 00:16
I'm not mad about this video... I'm disguisted. What gets me is all of the homeless veterans that I see begging for spare change on the streets, while at the same time we have non-citizens who do not have a legal right to be in this country set up with food stamps and free housing. This just seems so basic that you take care of your own before you provide help to foreigners.

And the string pulling thing is about respecting the rule of law more than anything else. The rule of law means that everyone is to be held accountable for their actions no matter how much money they have or what people they happen to know in high places.

I'll describe my point on hedonics, as I see it as very important here. Under Bill Clinton's administration, both NAFTA and hedonics were introduced. NAFTA is the source of much job destruction. A laissez-faire view of NAFTA would be that free trade is good, which it is, but NAFTA is not free trade. For example, nearly all beverages contain high fructose corn syrup which is produced with major subsidies to the farmers. To prove my point, go into your local 7-11/AM/PM/Circle C or liquor store and try to find any beverage other than water or juice that does not use HFCS.

In other words, we the taxpayers are paying the farmers to produce a "food substance" which is then exported to South American countries. Their corn products cannot compete on the market because ours is much lower priced, because the taxpayers are paying for it. So, we are deprived of purchasing corn from Mexico which is very diverse and high-quality food because the prices are so much higher. We have the same situation with fuel: we can't have an environmentally friendly fuel source because the government obfuscates the real price of fuel. In Europe, fuel costs $7-$8+ per gallon, yet we pay only $2.50 - $3/gallon. This is because Uncle Sam takes the rest out of our taxes.

Now back to hedonics. Bill Clinton's administration expanded the welfare and social services programs, as one might expect with a Democrat. He also instituted a program with Allan Greenspan to stiff these same people. We all know that prices and the cost of living keeps going up every year, yet when you look at the official inflation rate it is flat, hence the reason why social security pensioners were denied an increase this year. The dollar amount of benefits received from welfare programs is tied to the inflation rate to determine any cost of living increases.

Up until the late 1990's, the inflation rate was calculated by getting the average costs for a "basket of goods". This could include general items like a liter of milk, a dozen eggs, a gallon of fuel, a men's suit, etc. This was an objective study that could even be repeated by a school child and was very reliable and honest.

With hedonics, economists (meaning government officials) are now free to determine any increases in "value" of products and use that to offset the price. For example, if a refrigerator 10 years ago cost $700 new on average, and today it costs $950 on average and the new refrigerator has an onboard computer, the economists would be free to determine that this "value" in the computer is worth $250 and thus there is no inflation because the price increase leads to added value for the consumer.

There are some obvious problems with this:

(1) It leads to moral hazard: because people and companies do not know the full extent of inflation, they make poor decisions.
(2) It punishes savers: for example, if the official inflation rate is 2%, but the real inflation rate is 6% and you decide to put your money in an investment that draws 4% interest. If you believe the official story, you are earning 2% on your money, but the reality is that you are losing 2% every year.
(3) It punishes the pensioners and anyone who is on a fixed budget, especially poor people who are on social programs. For one of these people, it probably doesn't matter to them that the refrigerator has an on-board computer, they are more concerned about spending extra money they don't have.
(4) It punishes the general public, especially people who invest in real estate and other complex investments: if you don't know what you're really getting yourself into, then how can you make the right decision?

Both parties are responsible for this mess. They have each contributed to the New World Order/Brave New World paradigm, but each one appeals to a different group of people to give up their sovereignty, give more of their energy in exchange for less, and accept government domination of their lives.

--sjkted