Richard Hoaglands Phobos paper is up

[Daft Ada]

We all knew he was saying that Phobos is a space craft, but what has blown my mind is that in here

http://www.enterprisemission.com/Phobos.html

He is also saying that the ESA is also saying that is is and they are going to announce it soon. So maybe Obama will make an announcement in ten days at the space sumit? :cool:

[Majorion]

He is also saying that the ESA is also saying that is is and they are going to announce it soon. So maybe Obama will make an announcement in ten days at the space sumit? :cool:
Extremely doubtful, won't make mainstream headlines. As usual Richard presents a case, he loads the page with images, enhancements, data, diagrams, carefully written paragraphs, links, and a stay-tuned for part 2, but in the end its all subject to interpretation. I think Phobos made real headlines with the Monolith discovered there and Buzz Aldrin's comments on CSpan, a few people even discovered what appears to be a complex. Phobos could very well be an ancient space station, but maybe that's only partially correct, maybe its a natural object - one of many - that were (or still is) inhabited by an advanced intelligence in the solar system. The "lineations" or those geological features Hoagland presents the case with, and enhanced of course, is very subject to interpretation, he goes on to say they are "obviously artificial", well frankly that's an extreme overstatement, if it were already 'obvious' he wouldn't even need to present the case to begin with.

[K626]

My understanding is that the real surprise about Phobos will have nowt to do with ET.

KFuture

[irishspirit]

My understanding is that the real surprise about Phobos will have nowt to do with ET.

KFuture

Explain. How have you come to this understanding? What has brought you to this? What is your understanding, what are you expecting it to be?

Be Safe


Irish spirit

[Daft Ada]

I second that.

[SteveX]

"That Phobos is, in fact--

An "ancient ... ex terrestrial ... very battered ... 15-mile-long"--

Spaceship."

er NO! It looks like a battered piece of rock to me.

[PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH]

Explain. How have you come to this understanding? What has brought you to this? What is your understanding, what are you expecting it to be?

Be Safe


Irish spirit

i think hes alluding to the fact that humanity started over that way and came here and that phobos or the stuff on it is ours not ET. like the aryan , aries /mars /nazi stuff , the real ptb are about to go off planet as they see a certain storm coming and like cliff said the rockafellas/rothschilds and royalty get to ride it out in underground bases as the minoion class..


i also agree with majoran about all this work, although RCH has a much stronger case than say david wilcocks take on stuff.. i cant see obama disclosing anything or any govt. or anyone in any position of so callecd authority.. if they do its for their own ends (false flag et invasion)

[Daft Ada]

I agree. We already have all the pictures of the stuff on the Moon and Mars, Data's Head and the like and no one takes a blind bit of notice, so even if there is something in this, they will just ignor it. i am interested with Hoaglands statement that the European Space Agency are going to announce the findings though. What exactly will they announce? That it's an ancient dented space craft? Or that the Moon appears to be hollow?
I reckon when Obama makes his speech in ten days or so, he will announce that America is going to Mars. But I bet he won't say why :p

[Rozzy]

It is odd that Phobos orbit is four thousand miles up from Mars and that is exactly how far the Nazi's of the 1940's planned to put a space station above earth.

A book called "America’s Aircraft Year Book" tells about the U.S. using captured German scientists at Ft. Bliss and Wright Field.

"Among those in the German group at Wright Field were Rudolph Hermann, Alexander Lippsisch, Heinz Schmitt, Helmut Heinrich, and Fritz Doblhoff and Ernst Kugel. Hermann was attached to the Peenemunde Research Station for Aerodynamics, where Germany’s V-2 rockets were hatched and launched against England. A specialist in supersonics, he was in charge of the supersonic wind tunnel at Kochel in the Bavarian Alps. He also was a member of the Group entrusted with Hitler’s futuristic plans to establish a space-station rocket-refueling base revolving as a satellite about the Earth at a distance of 4,000 miles -- a scheme which he and certain high-ranking AAF officers in 1947 still believed to be feasible."

[haibane]

I've read Richard Hoagland's article and while it all seems compelling, exciting and highly interesting, I just can't see the 'smoking gun' evidence - leads and hints, yes, but here is my 1 + 1 cent:

Could something along the lines of this exist in space in a 15 miles scale? A piece of rock with natural geometrical cavities?

For all my opinion is worth, I don't see why not - space is rather a big place and many strange things are known to exist there on all kinds of scales that we know of, either by direct observation and/or extrapolation of what we know from the Earth, and, of course, much more we haven't got a clue about.

And for the other one - if you allow me a wild speculation (of which this forum is full to burst already): would it be thinkable, that in the case of this whole matter turns out to be real, and ESA actually has more evidence of Phobos being either artificial or bears evidence of ET presence, the ONLY reason for NOT disclosing it might be the leak, since confirming it would lend the site, and by extension to many other conspiracy sites, too much credibility all of a sudden? Unless, of course, in an even more paranoid scenario, this would be the intention ... (^__~ ) Any thoughts?

[Daft Ada]

I actually thought along similar lines mate, what's to say it's just not a big hollow rock? Doesn't mean it's full of aliens.
Some interesting ideas there guys. hmmmm nazi's on Mars and some say on the Moon. The film Iron Sky coming out soon is all about that.
I'm really not convinced that having fought two world wars for many years and with a Nation of starving people to care for, the Germans had the infastructure left or the resources to create the kind of technology they would need to take them to Mars or the Moon.
I see what you are saying haibane, similar statements were made about the disclosure not happening on the date it was said it would. IE: because someone leaked it.
I feel if they are always going to be so petty as to not do something because someone leaked it, then nothing will ever be done, because it will always be leaked. It all becomes a little circular. Yes it is possible that they are using these sites as another leak it a bit at a time in small doses to get the sheeple used to it, tool. just like all the sci fi movies we are having at the moment to get people used to the idea of aliens, and all the UFO sightings and reports. Also there is these planet sized spheres in the Sun which need to be explained.

[Majorion]

It would be inconsequential even if hypothetically; someone were to 'leak' a disclosure date.

Re: sci-fi movies and tv shows, I think that it in the earlier days (think 20 years ago) there actually was a genuine effort of conditioning people to accept extraterrestrial life and become accustomed to it. I think nowadays though its just become sort of a "fad", where every flick is meant to appeal to a growing ufo-fanbase shall we say, and filled with propaganda where the story is almost always an "us against them" survival scenario, its becoming increasingly evident that the productions nowadays tend to make us hate or fear alien life, now they're not trying to get us used to aliens, that's already been done, they've moved on to phase-two trying to affect our attitude toward aliens.

[Operator]

It would be inconsequential even if hypothetically; someone were to 'leak' a disclosure date.

Re: sci-fi movies and tv shows, I think that it in the earlier days (think 20 years ago) there actually was a genuine effort of conditioning people to accept extraterrestrial life and become accustomed to it. I think nowadays though its just become sort of a "fad", where every flick is meant to appeal to a growing ufo-fanbase shall we say, and filled with propaganda where the story is almost always an "us against them" survival scenario, its becoming increasingly evident that the productions nowadays tend to make us hate or fear alien life, now they're not trying to get us used to aliens, that's already been done, they've moved on to phase-two trying to affect our attitude toward aliens.

I do not fully agree here .... yes, there were scare movies but movies like Avatar make people sympathize with other beings and in addition movies like Planet51 and District 9 emphasize on that we
may be the bullies and that we scare 'them' ...

[Majorion]

Hmm, I didn't get the sense Avatar was a good "alien" movie, it was more spiritually oriented than sci fi, in fact the "blue species" seemed more like a primitive tribe than an advanced ET culture, just saying. District 9 was, to be honest with you, full of gore and disgusting scenes and it wasn't really a good movie, yes they were clear these are aliens but even the alien species seemed unreal, I mean "insectoids" dependent on cat-food? anyway both movies were centered on war/conflict. And I haven't even heard of Planet51.

I'm looking forward to the upcoming film about Bob Lazar, S4, true story. Matt Damon will be the leading role, so that's definitely something to look out for.

[Operator]

It all depends on how you define 'alien'. To be a bit careful I spoke about 'other beings' instead. Planet51 is a kids movie about a terra human astronaut landing on an
inhabited planet. And yes you are right, the movies are centered around conflict ... however in Avatar and District 9 the terra humans are portrayed as the aggressors moving
the 'other beings' around. My wife is terrified when I mention reptilians (she' totally denying the possibility of their existence). But somehow she finds District 9 a 'good' movie
and I think it demonstrated that people even can get sympathetic feelings even for insectoid beings ...

In my perception these movies seem to have rather the intention for terra humans to accept 'other lifeforms'.

I think that Avatar is also a subliminal wink to the idea of (re)-incarnation ...
And by the way in both Avatar and District 9 a terra-human is transformed into alien species apart from that they also both show that you need to be 'connected'.
In Avatar by connecting through the tail to 'drive' by intention and in District 9 because he develops his left arm he can fire their guns and control their space ship.

But I am diverting here .. don't want to hijack this thread ...

[irishspirit]

Whilst an excellent piece, I cannot for the life of me see the ESA coming out and telling the world about their findings. Moreover, to them, this is old old news and they have known this for ever such a long time.

Irishspirit

[Daft Ada]

Some very interesting points of view there friends, I think there is truth in that they are conditioning us to be aware of if not comfortable with many forms of alien life. I have never really understood the human fear of what they may look like. You only have to look around on this world under a few rocks or in the deep oceans for some of the strangest life forms that you can imagine. If there is such diversity on this world, there could be anything you could imagine on others.
They always measured the chances of life based on the criteria for life here. I always thought that stupid. Only recently when they discovered life could survive in 600 degrees in sulphure water at the atlantic vents did it start to occur to them that life could addapt to almost anything.
The Conformers are supposed to be rock or crystal like lifeforms, and why not.
Anyone remember a very early Star Trek where there were these silicon based life forms that tunelled through rocks? I sort of imagine the Conformers like them. They are supposed to be hot.
They say that a lot of the real stuff is shown to us in the movies so that if any information gets out, they can just say "Oh no, that was just a movie you're thinking of"
Anyway, where was I? Old farts gone off on one and lost his thread :rolleyes: Oh yeah! have you all seen the new face on mars in the Hale Crater, where they reckon there is a settlement? If not I will post the picture.

[Daft Ada]

ohh! have I said something to offend? Why are you all ignoring me now :-(

[SteveX]

did someone speak




:pound:

[Daft Ada]

Yeah, that's what it feels like :biggrin1: There we were all talking about this issue and suddenly they were gone :confused:

[Thunderbird]

Does anyone recollect the mars probe that was sent in the eighties during Reagan's Admin?

The probe, phobos 1, I believe was lost. They stated, "we have lost phobos 1," not "we have lost contact with Phobos1." The imagery of its final moments were highly classified.

but the one image released before the classification showed a shadow on the face of mars with a trajectory that showed it originated from the "moon" phobos. They determined the shadow to be cast by an object that was shaped like a missile. I think it was actually miles long...perhaps a space ship?

Anyway, shortly thereafter, Reagan made a total of twelve speaches imploring the nations of the world to unite because, "what if we faced an alien threat from our solar system, wouldn't we all come together as a species, and i ask you are we not already facing that threat?"

something like that.

Then Bush zaps his brain.

and poof, he cant remember sh!t.

I ask you, are we not already facing an extra planetary threat?

Anybody else remember this? I was just a boy at the time, but i remember it.

lets link these two data streams and see what we can come up with....

come on community bring in the deets...

-Your Friendly Neighborhood Thunderbird

[Thunderbird]

and can someone tell me how to get my senior status back? lol.

[DoctorWho]

I got it back once I was with the board for 3 days. I think Gareth or the mods have to switch your status.
Bill "the Doctor"

[Majorion]

I ask you, are we not already facing an extra planetary threat?

Anybody else remember this? I was just a boy at the time, but i remember it.
Yes, Reagan used 'aliens' in his speeches for a total of 5 times I think, according to ufo sources anyway. And there are confirmed anomalies on both Mars and Phobos, wait and you'll soon hear something about Mars' second moon Deimos.

[Daft Ada]

Yes I remember it, they told us that they had screwed up and done calculations in metric for one part and imperial for another and as a result had flown straight into the surface. I had never realated what Reagan was saying about aliens to the loss of the probe though ?

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Not impressed by the paper. If there is an announcement it will be that Phobos is Hollow. The end.

[K626]

Does anyone recollect the mars probe that was sent in the eighties during Reagan's Admin?

The probe, phobos 1, I believe was lost. They stated, "we have lost phobos 1," not "we have lost contact with Phobos1." The imagery of its final moments were highly classified.

but the one image released before the classification showed a shadow on the face of mars with a trajectory that showed it originated from the "moon" phobos. They determined the shadow to be cast by an object that was shaped like a missile. I think it was actually miles long...perhaps a space ship?

Anyway, shortly thereafter, Reagan made a total of twelve speaches imploring the nations of the world to unite because, "what if we faced an alien threat from our solar system, wouldn't we all come together as a species, and i ask you are we not already facing that threat?"

something like that.

Then Bush zaps his brain.

and poof, he cant remember sh!t.

I ask you, are we not already facing an extra planetary threat?

Anybody else remember this? I was just a boy at the time, but i remember it.

lets link these two data streams and see what we can come up with....

come on community bring in the deets...

-Your Friendly Neighborhood Thunderbird

It's pretty clear to most who pay attention our solar system is teeming with ET installations and bases...Looks like they just can't get enough of us...:p

[perfectresonance]

It's pretty clear to most who pay attention our solar system is teeming with ET installations and bases...Looks like they just can't get enough of us...:p

Apparently we taste just like cat food! :eek:

;)

[Daft Ada]

Well I can't wait to see what Earth shattering, incontrovertible, smoking gun evidence is in part two :bounce:

[Solace]

Second Part is up:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/Phobos2.html

[Majorion]

Just finished part 2, which by the way came out surprisingly fast. Bottom line? nothing will happen at the space summit nor will any extraordinary change be triggered by an Obama speech. RCH apparently has been listening too much to those "sources" of his and lost sense of reality. Granted he does make a good case for the Phobos spaceship theory overall, but he really must stop saying things are "obviously artificial" or that "disclosure is near". I thought the best piece of evidence he put there was also the oldest evidence; The Monolith, now that I can agree is artificial. Worth nothing the monolith discovery courtesy of Palermo, not Enterprise. So, if there were going to be any major announcement about Phobos, the monolith is the best evidence and its been there for a while, where is the disclosure about that we're all waiting for? Buzz Aldrin made a few comments here and there, and that was it.

Nick Pope has a very intelligent remark, he said something along the lines of; don't expect Disclosure (with a capital D), but disclosure with a small d, you might get tidbits and a tiny bit of coverage (UK releases ufo files), but never anything massive.

[Solace]

Just finished part 2, which by the way came out surprisingly fast. Bottom line? nothing will happen at the space summit nor will any extraordinary change be triggered by an Obama speech. RCH apparently has been listening too much to those "sources" of his and lost sense of reality. Granted he does make a good case for the Phobos spaceship theory overall, but he really must stop saying things are "obviously artificial" or that "disclosure is near". I thought the best piece of evidence he put there was also the oldest evidence; The Monolith, now that I can agree is artificial. Worth nothing the monolith discovery courtesy of Palermo, not Enterprise. So, if there were going to be any major announcement about Phobos, the monolith is the best evidence and its been there for a while, where is the disclosure about that we're all waiting for? Buzz Aldrin made a few comments here and there, and that was it.

Nick Pope has a very intelligent remark, he said something along the lines of; don't expect Disclosure (with a capital D), but disclosure with a small d, you might get tidbits and a tiny bit of coverage (UK releases ufo files), but never anything massive.


I totally agree! RCH is living in a dream world, imo. If there will be a mission to Phobos, They won't tell us what they found there, (as always...) In today's political situation, there is very little chance for disclosure (They just can't do it, because of the incidents in the past) :(

[Robstar]

Hello!
New member to this forum.
I have followed Hoagland since reading his books.
The thing that gets me about him is that he always presents things and says he is only interested in the scientific facts of disclosure.
So anyone other than him that presents any information is always called not accurate or not true.
And after reading "Dark Mission- The Secret History of NASA" i realized what his method of scientific proof on most of the picture was.
Adobe Photoshop and software plugins.
I do lots of graphics work and use this tools everyday i can tell you there is very little science behind enhancing the pictures. Mostly trial and error.Every picture is different.
I applaud his enthusiasm. But the arrogance can be felt through everything he does.
I downloaded the same Phobos pictures he has and there are some very interesting things about this amazing moon.
He always claims to have insiders that point him int the right direction.
Unfortunately i think that direction is right through the door, leading him to the alley in the back.

[Operator]

Nick Pope has a very intelligent remark, he said something along the lines of; don't expect Disclosure (with a capital D), but disclosure with a small d, you might get tidbits and a tiny bit of coverage (UK releases ufo files), but never anything massive.

Probably more and more disclosure with a small d will occur ... so evt. the mass of people becoming aware of it will grow steadily and when the critical mass is reached there may be an undeniable demand for disclosure with a capital D.
It has been suggested many times that governments will only get to action when they are forced.

[Daft Ada]

Well I have to say that after reading part two, which was supposed to be earth shattering, convincing and a smoking gun. i don't see anything new? We were told Phobos was an ancient space ship in part one, what more do we know after part two?
I am really looking forward to Obama's speech today just in case there is something exciting, but I'm not going to hold my breath and I will be interested to hear Hoaglands excuses after the speech has been made.

[Enlightenment101]

I got bored with the thrilling part one passed on part two. Ill wait for the movie lol

[TheChosen]

To me it is very clear Phobos is THE main topic right now. What are the chances that ESA publishes truly groundbreaking new information and within two weeks Obama goes live with a plan to send people to Mars? You don't even have to read between the lines to see these two events are closely connected..

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/04/16/2010-04-16_timeline_president_obamas_plan_for_space_travel.html

The plan is not to land on Mars but on asteroids (which Phobos can be classified as such and would be the easiest target)

[Majorion]

What are the chances that ESA publishes truly groundbreaking new information and within two weeks Obama goes live with a plan to send people to Mars? You don't even have to read between the lines to see these two events are closely connected..
TheChosen, what are you talking about, what groundbreaking new information? the ESA released a few new pictures of Phobos, that's it. Did you actually listen to or read the Obama speech? he said nothing about going to Mars, only of the "prospect" in the coming decades to "possibly" traverse a distance that far, that is if things - with this new plan - work out well in the next decade or so.

Almost every single astronaut, including Aldrin, Cernan, and Armstrong, have all publicly opposed Obama on canceling Constellation and criticized his new plan and quote; "without a clear direction". NASA's current budget is lower than ever before. So what reading-between-lines are you referring to? Things are actually more bleak than before, there is no clear destination or any direction.

[TheChosen]

The radar chart is the groundbreaking new information.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jnix64Y6XA

Dude.. did YOU listen or read the Obama speech?

Note to self: Why do I even bother when people neither read nor hear?

[Daft Ada]

I think you may have something there, did you seeCdr Buzz holding up his model of Phobos and saying "We need to go here"

http://www.americaspace.org/?p=2685

[haibane]

I don't know how many people here have some understanding of physics and radio waves. I have very little, if any. So I went ahead and asked someone who does - an engineer who works in the area, designing Wi-Fi aerials among other things. His conclusion regarding the data in the radar wave graph
http://www.enterprisemission.com/MARSIS-radar-Phobos-Flyby-Mar7-2010.jpg
taken form http://webservices.esa.int/blog/post/7/1082 is, that no conclusion can be drawn from it regarding Phobos' internal structure, since in that radio band (4 MHz) the scan would have to be 3D, which it obviously isn't. The graph doesn't proof anything, since it a) doesn't include an irradiation angle b) doesn't include absolute - or any for that matter - targeting co-ordinates c) isn't a 3D scan, where interferences might point to cavities. He goes on to say that for conclusive results either exact orbit parameters measurement and/or 2 seismic probes scan would be required.

As much as I hate to do it, I call BS on this one for the time being. At least until Richard Hoagland or ESA comes up with more conclusive data sets.