A question about numerology

[Centauri]

Hi all. New to the group! I have a question that came to mind as I was briefly participating in the "Malaysian Plane 'Crashes With 295 On Board' - Ukrainian adviser claims the plane was shot down" thread. I didn't want to veer off-topic on that thread so I started a new one! To preface, I think I should explain that I am open to some extremely WILD ideas. So here goes nothing....

There are many who are adding their numerology math problems to the aforementioned thread.

What is the point? Its' not in understanding the situation any better.

To look at any situation, you could glean many different numerical quantities. What is the point of arbitrarily isolating certain numbers, doing an arbitrary formula that is sometimes addition, sometimes subtraction, sometimes divsion (etc), and then matching your sum/product/etc to another arbitrary numerical quantity that suits whatever you are initially inferring?

How is this going to help solve the problem? Is there some future solution you're divining? How does this method help in gathering the information we need to set the record straight when faced with the flood of lies on our respective media sources? It certainly doesn't keep the subject on track. It certainly won't matter to the sleepers (who out-number the thinkers) who will be supporting whatever official story is choke-fed to them.

In the thread I mentioned above, the only point that is being made is that there are 7s and 8s involved which are then compared to a number horoscope thing that tells all the numerology adherants what those figures are supposed to mean. It doesn't provide a solution or guard against false information OR even analyze what information is present in a pragmatic and constructive way.

To me, it appears that people are looking at a chessboard and playing G.I.JOE (dolls) with the chess pieces.

Are solutions to problems the end-game of numerology? Why play this numerology game with something as serious as hundreds of people dying for political/economic strategy of the kleptocrat gangsters of planet earth?

I guess my conclusion is that people can count coincidences all day long. That won't solve any problems. Even when it is claimed that numerology can predict the future, not only are those predictions hit-or-miss, they haven't solved any problems.

What is the point?

[karelia]

Welcome to Avalon! :)

It's not about predicting the future with numerology rather than figuring out whether an 'event' carries the "signature" of the cabal. The illuminati are obsessed with magic, and that includes numerology. Add to that that they are 'obliged' to inform the masses what they're doing/planning with them and they're great deception artists, so they will tell the world what they're up to, but only in very hidden ways. One of those ways is to utilise certain dates, and numerology always plays a part in their activities, usually an important one. For example, if you Google incidents on September 11 in any given year, you're likely to come up with a far higher number on that particular day than a day before or a day after. Same goes for July 7.

There are other members who are knowledgeable about numerology who can tell you a lot more details, ie. the meaning of particular numbers etc. I hope they'll see this thread and offer more in-depth explanations.

[Xanth]

I'd suggest that the use of numbers is twofold, one is to carry a message, the other is to 'align' with particular frequencies or currents which resonate around the type of event and goal, so an event is in 'harmony' with a particular current, and therefore more likely to occur as planned. ... but that's just a guess :)

[Centauri]

Thanksya. I'm here to learn!

Finding the signature of the cabal seems easy to me just by looking at demonstrated political/economic strategies. Motives and money will out the cabal every time.
I am also interested in proven examples where numerology has solved a problem or how numerology has identified a problem in the future and the numerology adherants were instrumental in solving or avoiding that problem.

To make any accusation stick and to hold these people accoluntable, evidence outside of number coincidence must be used. Like I said, the sleepers definitely out-number the thinkers. So many sleepers will have to be part of the system that will hold these people accountable.

[PurpleLama]

Never underestimate the occult overtones of any event, numerological or otherwise.

[KiwiElf]

Hi Centauri, and welcome to Avalon :)

Numerology, in addition to the obvious date of the event, (or adding flight numbers, the number of people onboard etc), can include the time (numbers) between events, just to further muddy the waters. Often it becomes clear after the fact, a bit more tricky to figure out in advance. I posted this thread years ago which includes significant (and likely cabal-related) events:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31164-The-Greatest-Conspiracy-is-in-the-Numbers

I'm no expert in the subject, but the cabal and occultists are well known for using numerology to perform these events - to them, it IS meaningful. No, it probably won't help solve what happened. Simply another piece of a much bigger puzzle.

This website may also be useful:

http://www.numerology.com/about-numerology

[mpod001]

If you check out a thread I posted last week about the IMF and numerology you will see how the elite use occult and numerology in their work!

[Centauri]

The questions I am asking were not clear in my first post. My apologies. I am not asking how the cabal use numerology to supposedly orchestrate these various plans. I am asking...

1. What are some examples where numerology has solved a problem or if numerology had identified a problem in the future, how were the numerology adherants instrumental in solving or avoiding that problem?

2. If most of the research has to be done after-the-fact as Kiwi suggested, then how is this relevant when considering solutions to the problems we face?


It just looks like the point is to say ' Hey, look at these synchronicities and coincidences!' This does not solve any problems. Even if you arbitrarily track patterns, you aren't solving any problems.
Preparing for divined futures is not solving any problems either. The problems persist and a couple people are prepared... yay.

I appreciate the help on this. I am reading all the links posted, to be sure!
Please don't be cryptic!

[KiwiElf]

Hi again Centauri - very reasonable questions and I understood them. As a simple answer, I'm not aware of any which have been specifically foretold in advance, only at a generalised level, but I'm a rank amateur at this! :) There are simply too many variables: When numerology is used to predict a future event, it is much like Tarot, Runes, iChing or any other method of divination: it is relevant at the time of the reading and usually gives you at least two or more paths to follow. As the future is not written in stone, an almost infinite number (no pun intended) of possibilities remain making it quite a task (if not an impossibility) to accurately predict a specific event before it happens.

It becomes quite complex. For example, the number for today (we'll call this a global number), is derived from the full date, ie
19th July 2014 = 19 + 7 + 2014 = 2040

When we add 2 + 0 + 4 + 0, = 6. The global number for today is a 6. This number must then be ADDED to other numbers, ie in the case of the Malaysian Airliner, it might be the flight number or serial number (in which case you might use the Universal Date Time number in combination with the flight number and perhaps the time of the incident). The numbers making up the Longitude & Latitude of the "event" may also have an influence. (The Cabals' methodology is usually a lot simpler tho - and again, quite easy to decode after the fact ;))

The Moon, planets and a whole lot of other stuff comes into play as well. ie each number is ruled or influenced by a planet, and its relationship to all the other planets at any given time. Astrology plays a role here too.

Then it gets really tricky, adding the date as above, to everyone's Life Path number. (This is the number derived from your birthdate). Or you might add the days between the disappearance of MH370 and when this incident occurred. You would need a computer to quickly look at all the possibilities.

As Karelia mentioned a few posts back, it can provide you with a "signature" of occult/cabal activity but I would be at a loss to get much past that. For example, the Cabal "signature" & use of numerology is all over the 9/11 attacks. You will find many (in)famous historical examples in the link I gave you earlier.

Christine Lagarde's infamous and strange speech earlier this year on the Number 7 (boiling down to a possible event tomorrow, ie 20th of July) is an almost guaranteed "given" in the world of finance that "something" may happen on this date (or simply a red herring?). Who was the warning aimed at? "Them" or "us"? Will it be positive or negative? We will have to wait until then to see just what transpires? :) - see mpod001's thread and the YouTube video

Again, after the fact, it can become uncannily accurate.

To more directly answer your question(s), if we became as expert as the Cabal are in such subjects, we could theoretically counter with positive numbers and actions on certain dates. (Numbers each have positive and negative values, just like inverted Tarot cards - the meaning can be reversed). But this is not something we can learn in a short time.

Hopefully, a numerologist with wayyyy more experience than me, can answer your questions more specifically. (Perhaps even contact the site on the second link I provided, below).

http://www.numerology.com/about-numerology

By the way, anyone who is interested can download the free basic numerology program from that site. Try it and see what you get (altho it is designed to be used for a person rather than an event).

Cheers - KE :)

[Centauri]

Thanks Kiwi for your clues and avenues of research you have provided me. Using numerology ritual to work against THEIR numerology ritual is definitely an interesting concept to me.
The logic gets messy when you consider that the gregorian calendar is being used to generate those original numbers when, in the grand scheme of things, the gregorian and even the julian calendar were forcibly adopted by earth humans not too long ago. More questions arise and I have an objective viewpoint brewing that I will share but I too will wait for some numerology heavy-hitters to possibly add to the conversation. I trust in the quality of this forum's community and I am sure that many gifted people who believe numerology is part of their gift-set will eventually see this thread and jump on!

So the questions still stand!

1. What are some examples where numerology has SOLVED A PROBLEM or if numerology had identified a problem in the future, how were the numerology adherants instrumental in SOLVING or AVOIDING that problem?

2. If most of the research has to be done after-the-fact, then how is this relevant when considering solutions to the problems we face?

(Kiwi's ritual vs. ritual concept kind-of addressed #2, but I am still unable to find any evidence that this has had any concrete and measureable effect on anything and it definitely does not reflect the posts which just call out coincidence and synchronicity during earnest fact and solution searching on serious topics.)

[Centauri]

Just to make sure, I'd like to say that this is not a 'google this for me' thread. I am turning to this community to possibly fill in any blanks in my personal research. Of course, when I use any search engine and ask these 2 questions, I get overwhelmingly negative interpretations on numerology. I also do not get a shred of evidence regarding 3rd person perspective on numerology having an effect on anything. All websites promise to prove numerology to me personally and then the readings are just ripe for the Forer Effect.

So yes, I am doing my homework and I sincerely appreciate any input on answering those 2 questions.

[ghostrider]

there are no accidents , the head of the IMF gave a presentation with all sorts of hidden messages using numbers ... they believe strongly in the stars and numbers and symbols ... 7th month flight 777 etc ... 7 is the number of completion ...

[Centauri]

So far, only kiwi has addressed the 2 questions which is the sole purpose of this thread. Many thanks to kiwi!

[the_real_dave-id]

Howdy Centauri,

I'm not a numerology expert by any means, but I find the subject very interesting.

I don't believe there are any situations I'm aware of where numerology has SOLVED or helped AVOID a problem outright that can be proven.

However, they can make one aware of dates to be more watchful of in the future, and some believe that if TPTB have too many people expecting something on a given date, they won't do it. Seems the "surprise" factor is coveted by them.

It's not relevant to solutions regarding problems we face, per se, but as far as after-the-fact research goes, it can be very relevant in helping others who can't see yet what's going on around them, to start to. Enough numbers "adding up" can very convincing to someone who otherwise wouldn't want to see any "evil" in an event.

Many of the things that "seem" to be put into play by the TBTB possibly aren't. Chance does play a part in life. But if the numbers "add up" so to speak, I think you can say it's more likely TPTB than not. So it can be used to help clear up confusion. Not because I believe in numerology, but because THEY do.

For many numerology isn't useful at all and just seems like some kind of parlor trick to keep the mind busy. I tend to believe numbers do carry energy, and I'm certain that TPTB believe in that energy and so they set up their "events" on dates and times and so forth that involve those numbers.

So again, I'm no expert but these are direct answers to your questions from my point of view. Everyone else's mileage may vary. I hope this helps in some small way.

[Centauri]

Thanks real dave. Yours and Kiwi's posts have some real meat to them. I hope, as a week goes by, that this thread won't get lost in the thread ocean! I think I am missing the input of the confidently self-proclaimed heavy hitters of numerology. I know there must be people like that here on Project Avalon. So, hopefully, I'll draw the eyes of some specialists. However, I do appreciate any effort to answer the questions.

I'd very much like to figure out (if there IS power in numbers and divination in equation) that there might be way to organize a group effort to do as Kiwi suggested. I'm sure it is not a new idea but I do not see any PUBLIC effort to teach and to organize in the face of the cabal who are supposedly using this bizaare tech against the world and us. I emphasize 'public' because secrecy is their game and a cowardly game at that!

Then there is another idea this thread is spawning that all the ritual and attention to numbers are just a way to give humans a path of disassociation to manifest things in reality. It's as if humanity has zero confidence in simply manifesting this or that. As if the ritual and the numbers trick the mind into believing, "there! I have done all the necessary steps to make this happen." That way, the lack of confidence and self-doubt drilled into our minds are bypassed. It may be that power is everywhere, not just in numbers or equations and that we can simply manifest this or that without a ritual or a list of ingredients or whatever. It may be that the belief in ritual being the only avenue to manifest things is just some perverse filter an offworlder taught us.

To use a silly example, a person holds a cross up to a vampire in a movie. When the vampire shrieks and is repelled, the cross-holder thinks that Jesus saved him. It may not matter what he is holding in his hand. It was the will behind the focus object. He just didn't believe in himself alone, he believed that it is Jesus granting him his wish. All along, he could have held up his hand alone to repel the vampire.

Just a few early thoughts as this thread hopefully progresses and we get more people to attempt to answer those two questions.

[PurpleLama]

You are asking for public disclosure of hidden knowledge. Get some books on numerology, if that's what you're really interested in, study them and apply the knowledge to your own conscious experience and see the proof of it for your own self. While you are at it, begin a disciplined practice of meditation, for such cutivates the coherence in consciousness that will act as a doorway into direct insight and experience of the hidden energetic reality.

FWIW, I composed a long post the other day on the operation and application of numerology and various and sundry occult operations, but I thought better of it and deleted the whole thing. Some things were hidden for good reason, and while on the surface it seems that such might be harmless, this assertion could not be further for the truth. Heavy hitters on the forum are wary of data mining and identification, and many of us have already had opportunity to be burned by too much public disclosure.

Go read the first thirty or so thousand posts of the Here and Now thread, a number of the heavy hitters have gathered there over the last few years and talked shop.

[Centauri]

Thanks Purple!

I know that my last response divided this thread into two directions. The second route of thought is regarding the concept that Kiwi introduced. The two original questions still stand if anyone would like to answer.

I'd like to address Purple's statement and advice in this reply. Anyone is welcome to jump in on these extra questions.

Since I am new to numerology, please forgive what insight I lack. To preface, I have been looking into numerology as this thread is unfolding but if the knowledge remains hidden, how could there be a practical and positive application of it? Maybe the reason that no 3rd-person confirmation on a problem being solved or avoided through numerology is because people who positively practice are still hiding.

Hiding and secrecy is their game. Witholding information is also part of their game and usually has one of two motives. 1. victim-mentality fear and cowardice. Feeling that you have to protect others from truthfull information or keep it out of the hands of people who would abuse it. 2. the desire to feel exceptional and individual in comparison to others by hoarding information.

How are people in danger of being burned through public disclosure? What is the nature of the burning?

If the positive application of numerology were more public, what dangers arise? You may have people who learn to use it negatively and you have people who learn to use it positively. Since there are already negative practitioners, what's the difference if there are more? You are also building a group of positive practitioners in the process. Where the negative practitioners will eventually lead to in-fighting and battles for ultimate control, the adversary of the positive practitioners remains the same with no in-fighting. It seems to me that the only application that could start solving problems is Kiwi's idea of dismantling their machinations through the use of the same techniques they would employ (but with positivity).

I have much to read in the Here and Now area! Thank you for some extra direction, Purple.

[Centauri]

Well, it looks like this issue is dead in the water.
I am confident now that the 2 questions I started with cannot be answered because the information doesn't exist and the practice truly is without any 'NOW-merit' OR the information is being hidden beneath cowardice, fear, and vanity.

I maintain what I said in post 17. I am still looking into numerology and, because of the replies I recieved from not even 1% of the Project Avalon community, will expose any hidden information I come across to all the people of the world! It is the only right thing to do.

Thanks to all present who participated. I really appreciate the insight and I did indeed recieve the answers I was looking for.

And so closes a thread.