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Dale
24th October 2010, 22:20
One morning, upon waking, you're faced with a situation that hasn't occurred since the earliest days of antiquity. The "Powers that Be," whoever we believe them to be, have all made the decision to step down, face their shadows, and turn themselves in to the system they have managed for eons.

The world is now unchained from the wrath of several bloodlines, a few notorious leaders, bankers, magicians, and profiteers. Roughly three thousand individuals have given up their total power, literally handing it to the people on the street.

Now what?

Of course, this is extremely unlikely to happen, but, what if such an event did occur?

What would we do if the controllers of this planet decided to exit, stage left?

I have mixed feelings concerning this issue. On one side, I'm appalled at how our planet has been "managed" by a select few, for eons. However, on the other side, I feel like the population would be in the same situation a heard of barnyard animals would find themselves in if their farmer decided, one morning, to open the front gate and leave the farm.

We've been conditioned, over the ages, to "love what we do," and not "do what we love." We've been told "what to think" instead of "how to think." The fierce spirit that burns within each of our hearts has been reduced to embers. We've been domesticated; our bravery and passion now used against us as ways to keep our bodies and minds attached to the bottomless state of "longing."

If the gates opened, and if the farmer packed and left town; what, in all intellectual honest, would occur?

Would there be celebrations in the centers of every town and city? Would the average man or woman on the street even know a change occurred?

Would a new, more aggressive movement fill the vacated seats?

Can we truly say a better world would result in the immediate future?

The masses have been conditioned, since birth, to love the system, and hate the "players." This, in turn, creates a unique, yet highly grotesque, system of perpetual, imagined change.

The only world the populace understands is the world they've been shown. History has an odd way of repeating itself. From studying assassinations of leaders and collapses of civilizations; if there's one thing an armchair historian can notice, since Babylon, it's that not much has really changed.

I believe what needs to happen need not start at the very top of the pyramid, but at the base; the very bottom of the pyramidal hierarchy.

As to how that may happen, I can honestly say, from the deepest depths of my soul, that we're beginning to make progress; in some way or fashion!

Celine
24th October 2010, 22:29
"Can we truly say a better world would result?"

Oh..Just watch us

;)

Dale
24th October 2010, 22:30
"Can we truly say a better world would result?"

Oh..Just watch us

If we here at Avalon were left in charge of this mess, I'd certainly agree with 'ya!

Not so much that ATS crew, though...

:P

Arpheus
24th October 2010, 22:41
I like your post Dale,gives some good food for thought,dont think it would be an easy road for a lot of people,but i believe the end result would turn out to be better then the current one,it could be chaotic disorganized confusing at first,but then the spiritual auto pilot would kick in eventually and things would start to get in shape slowly,thats the way i see it anyway.

bluestflame
24th October 2010, 22:54
that's the conditioned failsafe , most controlling relationships have the old "noone else would want you , without me you'd be nothing , what would you do if I wasn't here to look after you " type control mechanisms built in

sometimes the ones that leave such a distructive relationship as this need the support of others around them , till they can get back on thier feet again

I see it as a long term codependant relationship that has been throughout the ages , yet now has run it course

to feel is to heal

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of course within that as i've seen so many times the tendancy when the anxiety of change kicks in , to want to go back to the familiar , though harmful, a from of emotional security , long as a person operates within a set of guidelines and doesn't set a foot wrong ,

but at the end of the day living life for someone else, not fulfilling or livin own destiny, potential , purpose

Carmody
24th October 2010, 23:09
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5494-The-Empathic-Civilization

MzVaFf
24th October 2010, 23:16
Its amazing how controlled everything is, when one opens the mind....

bluestflame
24th October 2010, 23:23
like the "hero's journey" leaving behind the familiar and comfortable to face the unknown , at first the hesitation , but even that when faced , familiarised , the ability to deal whith what then becomes more known

growth in self awareness as we discover more about who we are , in unfamiliar territory

Zook
25th October 2010, 04:16
Hi Dale,



[...]
What would we do if the controllers of this planet decided to exit, stage left?


That's a hypothetical that is not going to happen, IMO, and precisely because even if TPTB decided to voluntarily take the exit, stage left, there will be more than enough aggrieved people waiting in the parking lot outside, and they won't be handing out donuts and coffee. I guess what you're really asking is the more generic question, "What would happen if an overnight void is created at the top of the pyramid?"

In the vague possibility that that occurs, I think people - frightened by the spectre of MadMaxWarriors and general anarchy - will seek to plug the vacancies at each level. Neighborhoods will appoint leaders. Clusters of neighborhoods will form and appoint leaders. Superclusters will form and appoint leaders. Etc. Eddies to whirlpools, as it were. During this process, whirlpools would be created that fit the size of the municpality, and those would absorb the architecture of the municipality (as we know it in the current pyramidal design). Likewise, bigger whirlpools would absorb the architecture of the state/province. Bigger still to absorb the architecture at the federal level.

Of course, human nature being what it is, the new system will revert back to its old equlilibrium points. How long before that happens ... who really knows? But when that happens the system will again have master human units manipulating midlevel human units manipulating lower lever human units working the slaves.

There is now but one way left for mankind, IMHO, and that is to destroy the pyramidal design of human organization and to replace it with a modular design. I will expand on the modular design if anyone is interested. For now, I will just emphasize the need for the destruction of the pyramidal design in toto; and not just the (peaceful or violent) removal of TPTB at the top of the design.



The masses have been conditioned, since birth, to love the system, and hate the "players." This, in turn, creates a unique, yet highly grotesque, system of perpetual, imagined change.


Excellent point.



The only world the populace understands is the world they've been shown. History has an odd way of repeating itself. From studying assassinations of leaders and collapses of civilizations; if there's one thing an armchair historian can notice, since Babylon, it's that not much has really changed.

I believe what needs to happen need not start at the very top of the pyramid, but at the base; the very bottom of the pyramidal hierarchy.

As to how that may happen, I can honestly say, from the deepest depths of my soul, that we're beginning to make progress; in some way or fashion!

Loving the system and hating the people hasn't worked. Perhaps hating the system and loving the people is an approach we should try ... that is ... after settling the ledger on outstanding crimes against humanity.

IMO, justice is not served by periodic blanket amnesty of war criminals, and that's essentially what the bulk of TPTB are, war criminals. You can't stretch the spots on a leopard and call it a tiger; and you can't teach rabid dogs new tricks. TPTB are what they are: sociopaths, psychopaths, necrophiles. But because I don't believe in capital punishment, myself, it is my opinion that TPTB would all benefit from a life of pounding rocks from here to Tiperary, with a return ticket thrown for free.

:typing:

I realize I haven't answered your question, Dale. But I do think that destruction of the pyramidal design is a first step to any solution. If there is pain involved in this needed destruction, so be it. That will have to be viewed as the growing pains of a new type of human organization.

AtlasFactor
25th October 2010, 04:27
If that happened I would suspect those beings held accountable were cloned body doubles while the real manipulators had found their new safe hiding place in the shadows to continue running things, just like they hung a few nazis after that charade that passed as WWII.

Carmody
25th October 2010, 05:32
If that happened I would suspect those beings held accountable were cloned body doubles while the real manipulators had found their new safe hiding place in the shadows to continue running things, just like they hung a few nazis after that charade that passed as WWII.

Yeah..my own grandfather was found dead 4 times....(sort of...a long story not fit for publication)

Luke
25th October 2010, 07:10
Good thread.
What I see is much what Zookumar said: refilling and rebuilding pre-existing structures in some weird "extend and pretend" move .. actually, that might be happening right now.
It for sure happened after fall of western "Rome". We had a period of Merlin and Arthur .. and then we got back to square one, rebuilding the empire again.

But then, this is just extending current trends, which might be accurate, because neophobiacs outnumber neophiliacs 5:1. But then, life has changed already in dramatic way, so superior numbers do not cut it.

Only thing we need is working society using modular/holographic/nested sphere approach. Build completely from scratch , because even language we use is designed to be minefield of confusion and strife, not to mention trojan horses of ideas.. especially those feel-good ones. But even those problems can be worked out, once conscious will to do it is present.

Dale
25th October 2010, 13:03
Of course, human nature being what it is, the new system will revert back to its old equlilibrium points. How long before that happens ... who really knows?

Exactly right,

The central message of this thread is "Even though the players are gone, the game still continues." For every nasty sociopath sitting atop the pyramid, there are four more, just waiting a few steps below. That's the problem with a pyramidal hierarchy of power; and also the reason why it remains in place.

What needs to happen is a change in "consciousness" at the ground-crew level. I, strongly feel, that this is already beginning to happen. I'm unsure of the details, but I deeply hold to this conviction.


"Problems cannot be solved by the same level of consciousness that created them."

Steven
25th October 2010, 23:27
We would create Heaven on Earth! no less... :)

Step by step, starting from where we left ;)

Namaste, Steven