MUFON Director Jumping On Board Billy Meier Case

[Project_Buggy_Beach]

Do you feel the Billy Meier Case was real?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/10/25/prwebprweb4695194.DTL

Playa Del Rey (http://topics.sfgate.com/topics/Playa_del_Rey,_Los_Angeles), CA (PRWEB) October 25, 2010
In an unexpected development pertaining to the evidence rich, but widely censored, Billy Meier (http://topics.sfgate.com/topics/Billy_Meier) UFO (http://topics.sfgate.com/topics/Unidentified_flying_object) contact case in Switzerland (http://topics.sfgate.com/topics/Switzerland), a prominent long time director for MUFON (http://topics.sfgate.com/topics/Mutual_UFO_Network), the most well known international UFO investigation organization, broke ranks with official policy and expressed his support for the Meier case.
George A. Flier, MUFON's Eastern Region Director and a retired Major in the USAF (http://topics.sfgate.com/topics/United_States_Air_Force), prominently displayed one of Meier's UFO photographs from the pre-computer 1970s (http://topics.sfgate.com/topics/1970s), along with information about high level scientific support for the case. He also endorsed the assessment of authenticity by another trusted military man, the late Lt. Col. Wendelle Stevens, who was the lead independent investigator in the case.
According to Michael Horn, the U.S. media representative for the Swiss contactee, "Recent revelations called into question MUFON's failure to ever investigate the almost 70 year-long, still ongoing UFO case. So when a widely respected investigator like Major Flier shows himself to be a maverick in search of the truth, it's certain to encourage broader scientific examination into Meier's evidence. There are many 'regulars' in the so-called 'UFO community' who have been content to recycle and rehash unprovable, anecdotal information and make a career out of it. Fortunately we have a notable exception here."
"The whole UFO phenomenon has been, often deservedly, viewed as a fringe topic. But suddenly even the major networks are covering reported sightings of UFOs, though most are really only secret military craft. The one taboo, of course continues to be the Meier case; it's verifiably extraterrestrial evidence and content are viewed as threatening to our political and religious systems by those that want to maintain complete societal control. But that fear has resulted in very important information being withheld from the public. And, ironically, various investigative organizations, like MUFON, have been as suppressive as the mainstream media," according to Horn.
"With the simultaneous crumbling facade of the not-so-expert experts, the documented prophetic accuracy of Meier's scientific information and the ever increasing occurrence of long warned about events, it is hoped that a large enough number of people will indeed wake up in time to try to help us avert whatever crises we still can...and help us to survive that which can no longer be prevented. We do thank Major Flier for his unexpected contribution to this effort." said Horn.
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[viking]

I always thought Billy was genuine ...

Its a real shame that Bill/Kerry couldn't get to interview him...would of been a real classic...thought it would have been easy as he's not too far away from Bill!!

viking

[Swami]

I always thought Billy was genuine ...

Its a real shame that Bill/Kerry couldn't get to interview him...would of been a real classic...thought it would have been easy as he's not too far away from Bill!!

viking

Question is, Would Billy give an interview....
I understood he stopped giving interviews long time ago....

[viking]

Yes I agree with you Swami ...

If he is a genuine 'truth' seeker or giver then he owes it to 'Humanity' ... not much time left.

It's not what you ask, its how you ask!!

I am sure if the vibes were right, he would.

viking

[Project_Buggy_Beach]

Does anyone know how Billy lost his arm, I've always wondered that?

[Dale]

Does anyone know how Billy lost his arm, I've always wondered that?

"On August 3, 1965 Billy was involved in a bus accident in Iskenderum, Turkey where he lost his left arm."

Source (http://www.steelmarkonline.com/faq.htm)

[Heise]

I dont believe the Meier case at all.

[bill.zen]

I'm sure Meier stopped giving interviews due to the public ridicule against him. I probably would have done the same thing in his shoes. Saying that though, I believe he should give some interviews to some close associates soon, before it's too late.

[bennycog]

hard case the ol billy one..
my thoughts are he actually had some sort of contact but to help people believe him and to try to get the message out that he was told.. he made up and faked a few things to get his message out.
because his message is not doom, it is on that helps us become what we are supposed to be.
an interview would have been very good with him..
micheal horn is on veritas sometime soon.. that might be a good one to listen to. and hopefully mel delve as deep as he can.

[Zook]

I dont believe the Meier case at all.

I can't let you be the lone ranger on this unnecessarily controversial topic, Heise. Name's Tonto ... race you to the ridge!

To borrow a quote from the shy philosopher Anonymous of Anyplace, circa Anytime - and here's hoping I don't flub it like that clueless duck that quacked and quacked and quacked, then clucked, Dubya Shrub the Idiot, did back in 2006 or thereabouts. You can check it out here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ux3DKxxFoM

Fool me once, shame on you ... fool me twice, shame on me!

Once: pteradactyl photograph.
Twice: trash bin lid flying saucer.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arMKT0r9cL8

Thrice: testimony from his ex-wife.


But what's the saying for fooling thrice? All, right, let's create one then. How about this:

Fool me thrice ... you own me, my lock, my stock, and my barrel!

:typing:

(But not my jar of jellybeans!! It'll be a dull day with penguins before I give that up!)

[viking]

Hey Zooky ... yes I have read those stories a while back ...

I always thought it was common knowledge that Billy had befreinded a couple of individuals a long time ago, and that they had said that to make his story more plausible he would have to come up with some better pictures. So what they did was take some piccies of some tin dustbin covers ect ect to make it look more real. What Billy hadn't realised was that the individuls were CIA trying to discredit his story. So what we get is some ridiculous pictures that are obviously fake mixed in with some genuine photos!! They did a good job!!!

As for his ex wife!! You'll find some info about that as well in document below...

quote...
"Quite simply, it’s illogical, as well as completely unsubstantiated. After all, what other substantial, documented, still ongoing (more than 67 years!) UFO contact case is there for the so-called “UFO community” to concern itself with? I don’t know of a single one myself. It certainly would have been more in the interest of these intelligence agencies, etc. to try to suppress the information about the reality of the Meier case than to disseminate it – which is exactly what happened. The Meier case is indeed, in addition to being the most important story in human history, the most suppressed one as well. But, intelligence agencies, being in the business that they are, were probably the ones who started this rumour and others, knowing that gullible, ignorant people would pick it up and perpetuate it because they’re too lazy and stupid to think their way through the entire matter logically."

Read this interview...
http://www.theyfly.com/Michael_Horn_Interview.html

viking

[Zook]

Hey Vikes,


Hey Zooky
... yes I have read those stories a while back ...


And they are no more truthful today than a while back.



I always thought it was common knowledge that Billy had befreinded a couple of individuals a long time ago, and that they had said that to make his story more plausible he would have to come up with some better pictures. So what they did was take some piccies of some tin dustbin covers ect ect to make it look more real. What Billy hadn't realised was that the individuls were CIA trying to discredit his story. So what we get is some ridiculous pictures that are obviously fake mixed in with some genuine photos!! They did a good job!!!


Suggestion of genuine photos is not proof of genuine photos. I have yet to see credible proof of genuine photos.

Be that as it may, the notion that Meier befriended two individuals who later turned out to be CIA is a bit of a stretch. I mean, if you had genuinely been visited by an extraterrestial humanoid species ... would you take the advice of anyone (friend, CIA friend or otherwise) to lie about it, thereby risking all credibility if found out? Seriously ask yourself that question. I'd hazard it would take most honest persons less time than would be needed for Usain Bolt to reach a quarter of the sprinter's distance (and that, too, merely to digest the question).

Of course, you may legitimately inquire if Meier was being threatened by his CIA friends. First, they wouldn't be his friends. Second, if Meier succumbed to the threats, his evidence would be of zero value, anyways. Think about it. Evidence produced under threat ... does such a quantity even qualify as evidence in the rational world? I mean, if you look me in the eye, point your finger at the pteradactyl photograph, say, and tell me that you snapped that photograph ... isn't your credibility then tied to the veracity of that photograph? In Meier's case, he did that (figuratively) at least three times: the pteradactyl pic; the trash bin lid flying saucer pic; and his pic of the models Asket and Nera. (Needless to say, by my own standard of proof, all his UFO pics are fake.) How many times does a person have to look you in the eye and lie with a bold face, before you're convinced it's a hoax, Vikes?

http://forgetomori.com/2009/aliens/asket-and-nera/




As for his ex wife!! You'll find some info about that as well in document below...

quote...
"Quite simply, it’s illogical, as well as completely unsubstantiated. After all, what other substantial, documented, still ongoing (more than 67 years!) UFO contact case is there for the so-called “UFO community” to concern itself with? I don’t know of a single one myself. It certainly would have been more in the interest of these intelligence agencies, etc. to try to suppress the information about the reality of the Meier case than to disseminate it – which is exactly what happened. The Meier case is indeed, in addition to being the most important story in human history, the most suppressed one as well. But, intelligence agencies, being in the business that they are, were probably the ones who started this rumour and others, knowing that gullible, ignorant people would pick it up and perpetuate it because they’re too lazy and stupid to think their way through the entire matter logically."


What is the context for the above paragraph? Where can I find the full excerpt? What exactly is his ex-wife referring to when she says 'it’s illogical, as well as completely unsubstantiated'? To the Meier hoax? Or to rumors refuting the Meier claim. The following URL definitely establishes that Meier and his ex-wife are at odds in their respective accounts, e.g. not in agreement:

http://www.semjase.net/semjeng13.html




Read this interview...
http://www.theyfly.com/Michael_Horn_Interview.html
viking

I've read Michael Horn's defense of Meier, elsewhere, Vikes. Suffice to say, he is a most unconvincing character. I'm being generous with my description.

My own conclusions about the Meier case is this: the man is a hoaxer promoted by the very same people who want to keep the Rozwell case under wraps (until the time for disclosure arrives, if at all). These secretive people are probably in possession of real evidence of UFOs ... but they are not ready to release it to the public yet; so they've used Meier to debunk UFOs and discredit ufology. Now that technology has caught up to the point where the average Joe and Josephine can capture UFO's on video; the use of Meier to discredit ufology is no longer effective. They'll undoubtedly try other means to stall release of the real information until the time of disclosure arrives, if at all. They may even try the paradoxical tactic of promoting UFOs, e.g. to keep the public in perpetual fascination. After all, that achieves the goal of delaying disclosure!

To wit, Billy Meier is what he is ... an opportunist riding the high tide of TPTB's need for diversion and truth delay. Nothing more. Toss him in a red suit and hitch him to a modified lie-detector that flashes light signals, and you can have Santa Claus doubling as a Christmas tree!


:typing:

Humble opinions all around.

[viking]

We all have opinons Zooky. We all have opinions.

It's funny isn't it. I bet we can discredit anything out there whether it is truth or not.

I suppose eventually as time passes the truth will uncover itself.

In the meantine it's fun...

viking

[Zook]

We all have opinons Zooky. We all have opinions.
It's funny isn't it. I bet we can discredit anything out there whether it is truth or not.
I suppose eventually as time passes the truth will uncover itself.
In the meantine it's fun...
viking

Well Vikes ... time has spoken on Bily Meier.

Really, to think that some group called the Plejarens (Pludgarens?? Playaarens?? Pledgrins??), if they actually existed, would choose one guy in the Swiss Alps (of dubious integrity) out of all the billions of human units out there (many with less dubious integrity) ... to make contact with Earthlings and our rich heritage from Socrates to da Vinci to Brahms to Newton and Leibniz to Galileo to Erdos and Ramanujan to Gordeeva and Grinkov to Nana Mouskouri ... to Fredkc, Kulapops, and Carmody ... it's tripping the quantum fantastic, wot?

IMO, the Swiss Alps are better used chasing Heidi between the heights and across the hillsides, and milking cows ... or chasing cows between the heights and across the hillsides, and milking ...

:boxing:

[viking]

*yawns* Dont give up your day job...

What are you looking for, points?.. Zooky!! lol

viking

[Zook]

*yawns* Dont give up your day job...
What are you looking for, points?.. Zooky!! lol
viking

You know, Vikes ... when I hit the submit button this afternoon, I felt rightly accomplished. I had just put the finishing touches on Billy Meier's credibility (as part of my duty in keeping the signal high and the noise low on Avalon); I had also rejoindered your tepid respect of the facts of the Meier case (when you attempted to deride their importance with "I bet we can discredit anything out there whether it is truth or not."; I had even managed to amuse myself by taking a trip down human history lane (btw, my references to the mentioned Avalonians was meant to be playful and I think they understood that). FWIW, Fredkc was included because he is definitely the funniest chap on Avalon; Kulapops deifinitely has the coolest name; and Carmody gets my vote for being the most intellectual (love reading his stuff!!).

So you can imagine my great dismay at learning that I was underachieving in my intermittent role as Avalon forum poster. It's going to be tough sleeping tonite ... you know ... tossing and turning all night, wondering whether the morning wires will have me traded to Project Camelot for a ninth round pick and cash and/or future considerations. But I thank you for the heads up, Vikes. It has given me a chance to evaluate the areas where I have underachieved so I may improve on them. I love Kerry, but that forum ... yeeeeeeeeshh! LOL!! (Just kidding, Kerry)

:typing:

ps: I'm outta breath ... just got a knock on the front door. A friendly neighbor noticed that someone was trying to make off with my Snowbear trailer ... had it half on the road. 0 degrees celsius in Dartmouth. Need a mug of hot anything. Ah well ... let me queue Doris Day ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVuEC3r7a-o

[Swami]

Michael Horn on Veritas

http://www.veritasshow.com/radio/latest.htm

[Seikou-Kishi]

I'm not sure, Zookumar, what his location has to do with his credibility (if I'm mistaken in my inference, I do, of course, apologise, though I do not see what other bearing it could have had on your point), why choosing 'one guy in the Swiss Alps' seems less credible than, say, choosing someone from a US city centre. One can only hope the aliens, should they exist, have learned from your insight and their oversight and will, should they rendez-vous with an anointed earthling again, request your assistance in vetting potential emissaries.

Seikou-Kishi

[jimmer]

Like many, I was swept up in the Meier story and images.
the arguments have gone back and forth for decades.
here are two sites (there are many more) that totally debunk Meier, the photos and in the second link,
his other world images of dinosaurs, aliens and such. this research is exhaustive.
goes to show, here are complete liars out there, to wit it's all sport, hubris.

http://forgetomori.com/2010/ufos/billy-meier-remakes/

http://www.thebiggestsecret.org/home/index.php/photo-galleries

[Zook]

Hi Seikou-Kishi,


I'm not sure, Zookumar, what his location has to do with his credibility (if I'm mistaken in my inference, I do, of course, apologise, though I do not see what other bearing it could have had on your point), why choosing 'one guy in the Swiss Alps' seems less credible than, say, choosing someone from a US city centre.


I don't recall saying that the Swiss Alps reflect on Meier's credibility.

Indeed, what I did write was this: ...would choose one guy in the Swiss Alps (of dubious integrity) out of all the billions of human units out there (many with less dubious integrity)...

I believe what I did infer was (it's been a while since I wrote the piece, so I, too, have to guess at what I was thinking) ... (1) that it is highly unlikely that Pludgrins (and you may use your own accent on the pronunciation) would choose a guy from the Swiss Alps with dubious integrity, e.g. this speaks to a comparison of integrities (dubious vs less dubious) ... and (2) that they would choose a singular point of contact, e.g. Swiss Alps (I mean, why establish contact at just a single location when it would make more sense for extraterrestials seeking contact, to contact many people at many locations, perhaps at once?)


One can only hope the aliens, should they exist, have learned from your insight and their oversight and will, should they rendez-vous with an anointed earthling again, request your assistance in vetting potential emissaries.
Seikou-Kishi

It would be my privilege. I would probably recommend myself as a potential emissary ... and ask that they take me to their commissary. Dunking donuts in flying saucers ... wouldn't that be a peach!

:typing:

[jackovesk]

hard case the ol billy one..
my thoughts are he actually had some sort of contact but to help people believe him and to try to get the message out that he was told.. he made up and faked a few things to get his message out.
because his message is not doom, it is on that helps us become what we are supposed to be.
an interview would have been very good with him..
micheal horn is on veritas sometime soon.. that might be a good one to listen to. and hopefully mel delve as deep as he can.

Yeah, It's a tough one 'The Meier Case'.

Great UFO Photos & Story...

http://www.crystalinks.com/meierbeamshipsky.jpg

But the Ray Gun gets me thinking everytime! LoL! Is All of his story really true'??...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/staff/gazrok/obr008.jpg
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/staff/gazrok/obr009.jpg


I am also not a fan of Michael Horn, frankly this bloke reminds me of a Snake Oil Salesman!

http://www.theyfly.com/Michael%20Horn%20Show.jpg

Having said all that, it is still pretty hard to refute the UFO Photos.

[Zook]

Good morning Jackovesk, the Earth says hello!


Yeah, It's a tough one 'The Meier Case'.
Great UFO Photos & Story...
[...]
I am also not a fan of Michael Horn, frankly this bloke reminds me of a Snake Oil Salesman!
[...]
Having said all that, it is still pretty hard to refute the UFO Photos.

Go with your instincts. He is a snake oil salesman.

:typing:

ps: About the UFO pictures, I've yet to see one that couldn't be explained with string, scale models, and perspective. Ditto for the video. I remember one where the pendulum effect is clearly observable. I'll dig it up if anyone's really interested.

[Dale]

The saga of Billy Meier is certainly quite interesting.

If ever given the chance to speak with an individual who met with Mr. Meier, ask them if anything "bizarre" occurred during the visit. Most do have a few interesting stories to tell!

I feel as if the man probably had some "odd" encounters with humanoid beings at one, two, or possibly a handful, of times during his life. However, just like the 40 year old man who still wears his varsity jacket from high school football, it is human nature to try our hardest to prolong memorable experiences.

It's quite likely that Mr. Meier faked a good few photographs, tipping his hat to nostalgia.

That doesn't go to say he's faked everything; I do feel his experiences began genuinely.

ETs are a bit camera shy!

[Harley Hawkins]

BREAKING: Astronaut Edgar Mitchell to Explore Billy Meier UFO Case?

Sixth astronaut on the moon, well known for his interest in UFOs and consciousness, claimed government covering up extraterrestrial UFO information; already acknowledged Meier's scientific information is better form of proof than UFO photos; fascinated by proof of extraterrestrial's accurate scientific information about 5,100 year-old Iceman


Swiss UFO contactee, Billy Meier...and Dr. Mitchell have something in common - they've both been to the moon, although Meier was first there years before any of our astronauts.

Playa Del Rey, CA (PRWEB) (http://www.prweb.com/releases/2010/11/prweb4837384.htm)
Monday November 29, 2010

Discussions are under way for a first of its kind public forum featuring Dr. Edgar Mitchell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Mitchell), the sixth man to walk on the moon, and Michael Horn, the U.S. media representative for Swiss UFO contactee, Billy Meier.

According to Horn, "Dr. Mitchell sent me an email acknowledging that Meier's voluminous amount of published, scientifically accurate information (http://theyfly.com/WILL_HUMANITY_WAKE_UP.html) was even better proof than the physical evidence, such as UFO photos, films, etc. Of course there were also prominent scientists (http://theyfly.com/Scientific_Experts.html) who focused only on Meier's physical evidence and found it to be authentic. However, anyone who can think logically, scientifically and objectively, as Dr. Mitchell certainly does, can easily see how the best 'proof' may be right under our noses, in the documentation. Considering the huge, possibly historical implications, I think it's important to explore this matter in a broad and open public forum.

"If Dr. Mitchell is up for the public challenge (http://www.noetic.org/), I will first present an overview of Meier's most important evidence and then take any and all questions from him, the press and any other scientists and experts he has invited. While they may be at a disadvantage, knowledge wise about the Meier case, their questions and challenges are certain to interest many people, worldwide, some of whom are just becoming aware of the Billy Meier UFO contacts.

"And besides, Meier and Dr. Mitchell have something in common - they've both been to the moon, although Meier was first there years before any of our astronauts. We could also go deeper into other questions Dr. Mitchell asked me, such as how Meier's extraterrestrial sources provided him with absolutely accurate, scientifically corroborated information about the death of a man - over logical conclusions (http://theyfly.com/newsflash91/5100_year_old_man.htm"5,100 years ago[/url].

"Even though Dr. Mitchell has spoken out about the government's UFO cover-up, and suffered no harm for doing so, publicly discussing a case where the only [url="http://theyfly.com/To_the%20_Real_Scientists.html) are that it's authentic - and the real focus of the UFO cover-up - may be just a little 'too hot to handle'. We all have great respect for Dr. Mitchell, he's one of the heroes of the U.S. space program. And I do hope he'll decide that this unique opportunity to explore Meier's wealth of scientific information - and its possible importance for our future survival - is well worth the risk, even from the powers that be."

(Attached Video)

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[Zook]

Good morning Harley, the Earth says hello!



(Attached Video)
The Silent Revolution of Truth. (1 of 3)
[...]


Billy Meier speaks about Asket from the 3:10 time mark onwards. He basically attaches his credibility to Asket.

Here are some interesting facts about Asket:
http://forgetomori.com/2009/aliens/asket-and-nera/

Debunked.



The Silent Revolution of Truth. (2 of 3)
[...]


At about the 3:05 time mark onwards, Meier talks about the teaching of truth. If he were a real teacher of truths, would he be lying about Asket?


But here's a video that has closer affiliation with the truth than anything Meier, Horn, and his cult-like following has to offer:


http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/11429/Investigating_The_Billy_Meier_Cult_Hoax/

:typing:

ps: Billy Meier is a highly intelligent person. He is also a dishonest person. IMHO, a simply delusional person doesn't go to such elaborate lengths to affix a hoax. Meier is what he is ... a pathological liar with the ability to tell a lie without so much as a flinch, e.g. study his face when he talks about Asket, the distance of the hovering UFOs, the teaching of truth, etc. Horn doesn't register on the truthmeter, either. But he does go offscale on the snakeoilsalesmeter. MO, OC.

[Harley Hawkins]

Good Morning, Zook! :)

No Defense here. Just a little personal explanation as to why I posted this.

This was a so-called Breaking News Report pertaining to Edgar Mitchell's possible involvement in the Billy Meier case, which I thought may be of interest to this thread and those who are researching Billy Meier.


BREAKING: Astronaut Edgar Mitchell to Explore Billy Meier UFO Case?

Sixth astronaut on the moon, well known for his interest in UFOs and consciousness, claimed government covering up extraterrestrial UFO information; already acknowledged Meier's scientific information is better form of proof than UFO photos; fascinated by proof of extraterrestrial's accurate scientific information about 5,100 year-old Iceman
Personally, it never ceases to amaze me how the high-profile names (MUFON, Edgar Mitchell, etc) get so much high profile attention involving nonsense cases such as this. Now if some of these high-profile names were to come on-board with someone like, oh say Bill Ryan for example, that would be REAL NEWS! But it would be news that would not get much attention in the media.

But then the author seemingly turned it into a Billy Meier Promo by including one of his videos.


ps: Billy Meier is a highly intelligent person. He is also a dishonest person. IMHO, a simply delusional person doesn't go to such elaborate lengths to affix a hoax. Meier is what he is ... a pathological liar with the ability to tell a lie without so much as a flinch, e.g. study his face when he talks about Asket, the distance of the hovering UFOs, the teaching of truth, etc. Horn doesn't register on the truthmeter, either. But he does go offscale on the snakeoilsalesmeter. MO, OC.

I have no idea why this reporter included this particular video other than to promote Billy Meier, and as far as I'm concerned it's a poor job of unbiased reporting. But then again where will we find unbiased reporting now days anyway? LOL!

I researched Meiers' case and came to my own conclusion years ago that yes, he probably did have one and possibly more experiences, but when he ran out of stuff to talk about he's been fabricating his story ever since. But I do still check-in with the story from time-to-time because I like to keep myself "open" like that.

So in-short, I personally agree with you on your analysis and comments of the video. And now I realize that I could have just pressed the "Thanks!" button! LOL!
(Where's my coffee?)

Have A Nice Day!

Harley

[Zook]

Hi Harley,


Good Morning, Zook! :)

No Defense here. Just a little personal explanation as to why I posted this.
This was a so-called Breaking News Report pertaining to Edgar Mitchell's possible involvement in the Billy Meier case, which I thought may be of interest to this thread and those who are researching Billy Meier.
Personally, it never ceases to amaze me how the high-profile names (MUFON, Edgar Mitchell, etc) get so much high profile attention involving nonsense cases such as this. Now if some of these high-profile names were to come on-board with someone like, oh say Bill Ryan for example, that would be REAL NEWS! But it would be news that would not get much attention in the media.


Much agreed.



But then the author seemingly turned it into a Billy Meier Promo by including one of his videos.
I have no idea why this reporter included this particular video other than to promote Billy Meier, and as far as I'm concerned it's a poor job of unbiased reporting. But then again where will we find unbiased reporting now days anyway? LOL!

I researched Meiers' case and came to my own conclusion years ago that yes, he probably did have one and possibly more experiences, but when he ran out of stuff to talk about he's been fabricating his story ever since. But I do still check-in with the story from time-to-time because I like to keep myself "open" like that.


The important thing is (and you already know this) ... you must do youir own research about Billy Meier and not be swayed by either Michael Horn or myself. That's the only way the truth will out. Horn can lead you in one direction; I can lead you in another; but ultimately, when the hot potato is tossed in your direction, you'll have to decide whether to catch it or to drop it. Of course, I usually try and cool mine before I toss it ... you know ... to give people a realistic chance of catching it! LOL!!
:jester:



So in-short, I personally agree with you on your analysis and comments of the video. And now I realize that I could have just pressed the "Thanks!" button! LOL!
(Where's my coffee?)
Have A Nice Day!
Harley

Ha hahha ... I've hit that button 250 times now, myself! That's 250 cups of coffee that's journeyed through me.

FWIW, I view myself as a truth trampoline wrt Billy Meier and 9/11/2001. I bounce things back almost involuntarily. Which must drive Fred crazy wrt 9/11/2001 truth. But hey, it keeps him alert. It's easy to get sleepy behind a thick beard. When I passed the mirror today, mine looked half the size of Fred's. Alas, I can already feel my hirsute sanctuary turning into a drowsy hermitage. But it's almost Christmas time! A beard can get you gigs with lots of backroom brandy ... that is ... if you're willing to tolerate the bawling decibels of the snot-smattered smallies and the poignant air strummed by their bladders draining.

:smow:

[Bill Ryan]

BREAKING: Astronaut Edgar Mitchell to Explore Billy Meier UFO Case?Apparently not. LA-based UFO newsgroup editor Victor Martinez asked Dr Edgar Mitchell directly. The following is for publication:


From: Edgar Mitchell
To: Victor Martinez
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010
Subject: RE: Dr Mitchell: Can you clarify a recent report by Michael Horn that YOU now endorse the controversial Billy Meier Case ... is this true, YES or NO?

No!! Victor, I tried to respond to your last on this, but it didn't get
through to you. Horn overstepped his bounds when I challenged a statement of
his. He took it as my general interest in the Meier stories. I already
know all that I need and want to know about Meier and Horn.

Edgar Mitchell


-----Original Message-----
From: Victor Martinez
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010
To: Edgar Mitchell
Subject: Dr Mitchell: Can you clarify a recent report by Michael Horn that YOU now endorse the controversial Billy Meier Case ... is this true, YES or NO?

Anything you can write will go a long way in making a much needed clarification to the general UFO community ... I'll forward it to 1,200+ recipients when I receive your anticipated response. Thank YOU in advance.

Victor Martinez

[observer]

Chatter.... Chatter.... Chatter.... This MUFON/Meier issue is all 'dazzle' to divert one's attention from what is really going-on.

If you want to get to the core issue of the UFO phenomenon, listen to what Jim Marrs and Joseph P. Farrell are saying (among others). Listen to the Project Avalon interviews with both of these individuals.

Most significantly listen to what Joseph Farrell is saying here regarding the Nazi connection to the UFO phenomenon:

Farrell, Joesph P.: Red Ice Interview - Babylon's Banksters (Scroll-down to 'open player' and select Joseph Farrell interview from the menu) -
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2010/11nov/RIR-101125.php
(It's important to listen to the entire interview as the UFO phenomenon is all linked to the money.... It's all related to the money.... Follow the money.)

Here are some other links to give more of a foundational understanding to this core (Nazi) understanding:

Farrell, Joseph P.: Project Camelot Interview - Advanced Nazi Research, The Riese Project -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wJboIFKCFU

Marrs, Jim - Rise of the Forth Reich -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2v0cu8pQOc

Marrs, Jim - Rule By Secrecy -
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7999204257538194118#

Marrs, Jim: Project Camelot interviews -
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8084932639517966828#

Marrs, Jim; Strieber, Whitley; Farrell, Joseph - The SS Brotherhood of the Bell -
Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFCxHjdZT5E&feature=player_embedded
Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anCYRqnE0Qs&feature=watch_response
Part 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsSU4vvOXNo&feature=player_embedded
Part 4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLkJEu7jG3w&feature=player_embedded
Part 5 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmBLGu7o5iE&feature=player_embedded
Part 6 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TNBqH_Qp5s&feature=player_embedded
Part 7 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vay1dCmDccU&feature=player_embedded
Part 8 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwQaMNsrCWc&feature=player_embedded

This all may seem like an overwhelming amount of research to gain an understanding of the UFO phenomenon. All of this information regarding the Nazis is inter-related to the overall understanding of what is actually going-on.

"The Nazis didn't loose the Second World War, the German people did".

Edit

Here are more links to evidence leading to the 'Nazi'/UFO conclusion:

Levenda, Peter - Project Camelot Interview - Sinister Forces - (click-on: "download .mp3 audio click here")
http://projectcamelot.org/peter_levenda.html

Levenda, Peter - VERITAS Interview - Sinister Forces & The Unholy Alliance -
Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txIsv8yKxWs&feature=player_embedded
Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZU2I-EbAk0&feature=player_embedded
Part 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_0eoTqcc-g&feature=player_embedded
Part 4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vimIjRzP-iI&feature=related
Part 5 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT8kNpvRVFw&feature=related

Nazi Scientology (Vril Society), Dark Fellowship -
Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVl4vmVLX7w
Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_ww8FNSqMw&feature=related
Part 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oT8s9z0Mso&feature=related
Part 4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8vqozNpujI&feature=related

Nazi UFO - The Bell Documentary -
Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8e6wUfueBo&feature=related
Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxGNCRoXmpQ&feature=related
Part 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8Wi59oKaJ4&feature=related
Part 4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-XHeeV-4Uo&feature=related
Part 5 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7qkRFjc8Z0&feature=related

Occult History of the Third Reich Adolf Hitler, The -
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3014581497309209211&hl=en#

To give just a few more....

[Harley Hawkins]

Apparently not. LA-based UFO newsgroup editor Victor Martinez asked Dr Edgar Mitchell directly. The following is for publication:


From: Edgar Mitchell
To: Victor Martinez
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010
Subject: RE: Dr Mitchell: Can you clarify a recent report by Michael Horn that YOU now endorse the controversial Billy Meier Case ... is this true, YES or NO?

No!! Victor, I tried to respond to your last on this, but it didn't get
through to you. Horn overstepped his bounds when I challenged a statement of
his. He took it as my general interest in the Meier stories. I already
know all that I need and want to know about Meier and Horn.

Edgar Mitchell


-----Original Message-----
From: Victor Martinez
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010
To: Edgar Mitchell
Subject: Dr Mitchell: Can you clarify a recent report by Michael Horn that YOU now endorse the controversial Billy Meier Case ... is this true, YES or NO?

Anything you can write will go a long way in making a much needed clarification to the general UFO community ... I'll forward it to 1,200+ recipients when I receive your anticipated response. Thank YOU in advance.

Victor Martinez


Edgar Mitchell:

I already know all that I need and want to know about Meier and Horn.

I CONCUR.

Thanks for posting this Bill.

Harley

[BestLion]

What get me is the very many posters here who still buy into Billy bullchit story.
I love that photo of the cheesy toy laser gun! My god how can anyone take Meier seriously!
Also the photo of the Pleadian women..Taken from teh Dean martin show.. Billy stood by these photos as proof for 17 years..until it was discovered..then he conveniently changed the story to say the men in black switched the pics.. youd think in 17 years if they were true pics he would have noticed.
Meier also claims to be the reincarnation of Jesus and Mohammad. As is stated even on Micheal Horns site. Heck the guy even wrote his own bible called the Talmud of Immanuel.

[bearcow]

http://forgetomori.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/asketnera_dellafavelund.jpg

it is clear that the alien semjase is in truth a former member of the 60's pop group the golddiggers, her real name is Michelle DellaFave. The photo released by meier is without question a fake.

i bring this up now because george green claims also to be in contact with the pleidans, in this video he signs off on the photo and the billy meier case in general.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD8OWy6TIRQ

food for thought in making up your mind regarding the latest tale george is telling about the collapse of civilization

[stardustaquarion]

I am still waiting for Alf to come and rescue me


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjo_GoJ03ps

Do you think I will have to wait long?

[Cidersomerset]

I just realised how old this thread is ...LOL..I thought the Zook was back.....

With all the disinfo and hoax material I'm still in the camp that there is something to the Billy Meier material and as with
David Icke and now project Avalon/Camelot material ,there are debunkers busting a gut to disbelieve on U/Tube ......No problem !!!
But I'm with Wendelle, The Elders,BobDean ,George Green and many others that there is something to it....Steve

[bearcow]

I just realised how old this thread is ...LOL..I thought the Zook was back.....

With all the disinfo and hoax material I'm still in the camp that there is something to the Billy Meier material and as with
David Icke and now project Avalon/Camalot there are debunkers busting a gut to disbelieve....No problem !!!
But I'm with Wendelle, The Elders,BobDean ,George Green and many others that there is something to it....Steve

ok, and that something is.......................??????

[Cidersomerset]

I'm listening to wendelle now....

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/65620/Wendelle_Stevens_Followed_By_CIA_During_Meier_Case/


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I don't think wendelle is making this up...thats all

[Carmen]

Great talk! The more **** and more disinfo accusations thrown at these cases, the closer they are to the truth! Either that, or as in the case of the book about Cathy O'Brien, "The Transformation of America" it is completely ignored as it would open such a can of sick worms!

[Cidersomerset]

I have not seen this one before, Wendelle explaining his personal observations of Billy....

Why Ufologists & UFO Groups are against the Billy Meier UFO Case ?

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[Cidersomerset]

This is a interresting interview with Lee Elders from the 1980's , who has not given many interviews....
As he says his company was a well established investigation firm...

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