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jagman
3rd September 2014, 17:37
Do you think ISIS or ISIL is a real army or is it a fabrication?
It seems to me there is quite a good debate going on here
at PA whether ISIL really exists.

Snookie
3rd September 2014, 17:50
I think it was manufactured by a bunch of 3 letter agencies, just like Al-Quayda was, but I do think it exists at least in some form.

linksplatinum
3rd September 2014, 17:57
These guys were assembled by guess who?

Cabalists since 2008

ghostrider
3rd September 2014, 23:24
change the name but the players and the game is still the same ... kill innocent civilians while banks and corporations enrich themselves ...

WhiteFeather
3rd September 2014, 23:36
IMO Isis doesn't exist, its just an implement to be used in false flag agendas. Santa Claus is more believable than Isis.

turiya
4th September 2014, 00:37
Do you think ISIS or ISIL is a real army or is it a fabrication?
It seems to me there is quite a good debate going on here
at PA whether ISIL really exists.

Hey Jagman

I just posted a Red Ice Interview with Patrick Henningsen of 21st Century Wire (http://21stcenturywire.com/). The Interview covers the ISIS Crisis. I have transcribed the beginning part of the 1 hour interview as follows:

A cross-post from here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74539-RED-ICE-PATRICK-HENNINGSEN-on-ISIS-ISRAEL-S-STRATEGY&p=872440&viewfull=1#post872440):


RED ICE INTERVIEWS PATRICK HENNINGSEN
ISIS & ISRAEL'S STRATEGY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3JYLlxCnRQ

Henrik: How have you viewed ISIS since it emerged only really a few months ago on the media's radar of what this is about, and who's behind it, Patrick?

Patrick Henningsen: I've been following ISIS long before it has hit the headlines. Recently, of course, with the Islamic State of Iraq, in the Levant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levant), in Syria as part of the so-called "Opposition", fighting against the Syrian government alongside the FSA. But its important that people understand, particularly since this ISIS issue is getting wall-to-wall coverage in the U.S. media. I mean, it will not turn itself off on any of the news channels, be it CNN, FOX, ABC, CBS, which are just banging on about ISIS... That ISIS is targeting the Pope, they said today. ISIS wants Lady al Qaeda (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/08/26/lady_al_qaeda_the_worlds_most_wanted_woman) freed from a US jail. ISIS is coming to America to attack Americans. So, they are really ramping-up the fear. But it doesn't have the emotional hold that al Qaeda had after 911, obviously, because there hasn't been any US-based terror attack or tragedy as part of the story.

So, where does ISIS come from?
Right now, if you've listened to the US State Department, or if you've listen to the Pentagon spokespeople, like Rear Admiral Kirby (http://www.enewspf.com/latest-news/latest-national/military-casualties/55130-department-of-defense-press-briefing-by-rear-adm-kirby-september-2-2014.html)or Anderson Cooper on CNN, or Wolf Blitzer, they will have you think that ISIS somehow sprung out of Syria. That is not true.

ISIS essentially, the elements of ISIS, have come from two places.
The first is Irag before the Syrian civil war. The second is Libya. So, if we look back at Libya, when we saw the black al Qaeda flags flying over the courthouse in Benghazi in 2011 & 2012, that is essentially the first kind of sighting of that kind of group. And we also saw the same flags flying in places in Iraq.

So, what happened?
NATO basically allied itself with jihadist groups in order to overthrow the Gaddafi government. And, one in particular leader & organizer that they had employed & his name was Abdel Hakim Belhaj (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdelhakim_Belhadj) who happened to be detained in Guantanamo Bay for a number of years. Somehow, for unknown reasons released, appears in Libya at the perfect time of the downfall of Gaddafi. And now, he's the governor of Tripoli who was also organizing the recruitment of fighters to transfer to Syria in 2012.

Here's another one, named Airat Vakhitov (http://detainees.mcclatchydc.com/detainees/30) who was from Chechnya, he was also interned in Guantanamo Bay at the same time as Bekhadj, he was then released. And he is leading fighting force in Syria, very extremist Islamic fighting forces, I might add.

So, you can kind of see these are the roots of ISIS. And in addition, we have a group called Front Victory [Front victory for the Syrian people (http://www.beiruttimes.com/en/articledetailes.php?id=350)] , who was operating as a part of the insurgency in Iraq, and I believe receiving funding probably from Saudi Arabia. And they also were moved into Syria in 2012 & 2013. So, you have this kind of movement from Libya from Iraq, as part of the insurgency, and then moved into Syria as the civil war began. The US has turned a "blind eye" to just about everything going on with Islamic fighters in Syria, because they believe it helped to mitigate the Asad government & the Syrian army's efforts to quell the opposition. So basically, they turned a blind, they turned a blind eye to terrorists - young kids coming from Europe and US or further afield - easily track-able. They have every ability to know where these kids are coming from & where they're heading. But they turned a 'blind eye' because they saw this as part of the effort for regime change in Syria. So again, allowing this thing to build up.

And so, we have the consolidation of the al-Nusra Front (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Nusra_Front), that is a Saudi Arabian Prince Bandar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandar_bin_Sultan) definitely had, I believe, full control & financial control over the al-Nusra Front. They consolidated a number of terror groups into a bigger al-Nusra Front operating in Syria. And splinter groups were broken off, people moved from one group to another, maybe one group paid more than another.

So you had this movement. Everybody - most of them are getting paid from the officer level up, $50 a month up to $2000 if you're a general or co-odinator. And all these salaries are being paid for by Saudi Arabian financial sources & Qatar financial sources. So, that emirate, along with Saudi Arabia, are basically funding the ISIS Crisis. So you could the whole thing in about fourteen days if you were to cut off funding. Both of those countries are allies of the United States & Great Britain. The United States has its central command & control based in Doha, Qatar & also the 6th Fleet based in Doha.


http://www.madhyamam.com/en/sites/default/files/imagecache/w604/qatar%20map%201.gif

So, its not that we don't have very deep ties with the country of Qatar. And of course, I don't need to tell you about U.S. & British ties to Saudi Arabia & how deep those go on the political & economic level. So, its not as if we don't have some influence, but we are allowing this to happen.

And you have to be skeptical of the ISIS Crisis. I mean, back in the 1980s, the open recruitment at various U.S. cities were mujahideen to go to Afghanistan to fight. That was common. You had recruitment centers in places Tuscon, Arizona & places like Seattle, Washington. This was back in the 80's. So this thing has happened with ISIS around Europe, but the recruitment is done a little more under the radar through mosques & through other assorted Islamic community groups. And also with most - absolutely, more than likely, with the involvement of informants from the Intelligence agencies - they're all over the place in all these mosques & groups. So, you'd be very naive to think that they're not aware & don't have a visual on all this recruitment activity coming from Europe.

So, that's the picture we're looking at. And we also have the Muslim Brotherhood really stalked the ranks of what is now ISIL & ISIS between 2012 & 2013 running recruitment activities out of Egypt. They had a Muslim Brotherhood armed & active in Syria from 2010, and also working in Tunisia & Morocco. And there's alot of fighters from that recruitment drive still active in the region. You have to remember, massive unemployment throughout these Muslim countries. A university professor makes $200 per month. So, any salary from $50 to $100 a month is a good wage. And when you can pocket your wages & you can plunder your food & everything else through your conquest activities, obviously, it seems a good financial deal for alot of people.

And they use the Islamic fundamentalist fervor as the kind of 'hook' to get the soldiers involved. And, basically, the psychological profile of these fighters are two-fold. One of them will be a very disturbed - not quite all there. And all the other ones that are absolutely guns-for-hire, like a gang member, will do anything for a buck, shoot anybody for a buck. That's what you basically have - is the unstable, identity crisis, confused religious, mentally disturbed man, and the mercenary. So basically its those two.

(Alot more there in the interview)


turiya :cool:

thunder24
4th September 2014, 01:04
how bout someone volunteer to go over with a video carmera, and document whats happening... ? Isis is believed as it is portrayed in media by the footsoldiers, even though its a psyop being conducted by handlers...

did oswald know he was used when he was being used...

naste.de.lumina
4th September 2014, 01:21
In a Toyota dealership near you:

Please, I want to buy 1000 toyota pickup's beige, half of them I want to point 50 caliber in the body as an accessory.

joeecho
4th September 2014, 02:14
I think ISIS/ ISIL is manufactured and a 'real' army.

The analogy is like making a snow ball....it's manufactured by *** but it's also going to land on the person I throw it at which makes it real for 'experience' purposes.

With the right operatives in place one can CREATE enemies with a false flag. The entity creating the false flag need not be directly affiliated with the (created) conflict it wishes to create, but it probably helps.

Friends can become enemies just from a well timed and conceived rumor. And then there is the snowball effect helped on by the rumor mill sometimes referred to as MSM.

SKIBADABOMSKI
4th September 2014, 05:21
If everyone didn't believe ISIS existed and shrugged it off... they can still continue with their long term plan. The fact we know it exist is enough.
If ISIS simply needs a lot of media coverage to establish itself as a dark enemy then they'll continue to do what they are doing.
If an attack is imminent or needed then everything is in play for a false flag attack to rally the support to bring down those imbeciles 'type of thing'

Personally I feel it's pretty old fashioned and been done before so the lack of imagination screams reptilian, uncreative, forced problem to be treated with a typical sheeple reaction and of course the mighty problem solvers step up and provide the solution.

If this does play out like this then the repeated actions have to be acknowledged by even more of the masses.. maybe thats what they want in the end of this little play... for everyone to see that they can do what the hell they like and if you can't step up and stop us then we will keep doing it as a sign of ..WE OWN YOU.

But people are at play against them and there is only so much even they are allowed to do. These are small players in the great scheme of things.
Have faith that we do have good eggs that outsmart them all. The winners are the losers and they'll get whats deservedly coming to them. This is something that satanic rituals and all that will not let you escape. It's called balance and although it looks like they are doing what they want. In reality they are practically so neck deep in stench of bad energy that merely ridding themselves of empathy will clearly not be enough to bring them back to a normal state.

Anyway went off track a tad.

turiya
4th September 2014, 16:50
change the name but the players and the game is still the same ... kill innocent civilians while banks and corporations enrich themselves ...

Sorry, but imo, they are being funded basically by the U.S. Taxpayers. If you look at the recruitment of these guys, its Abdel Hakim Belhaj who spent time in Guantanamo Bay where he probably got his training. Guantanamo has been kept in place by the U.S. taxpayers. Then there's another guy named Airat Vakhitov who was from Chechnya, he was also interned in Guantanamo Bay at the same time as Bekhadj where he, no doubt, also got his instructions upon making a deal upon his release. (Why have these guys been released???) Then there's major funding coming from the Saudi Prince Bandar who's been a major financial controlling contributor. And you should already know that this is the guy that Obama bowed to when he went to Saudi Arabia - a major ally of the U.S., Britain & ISRAEL!!! All the time playing the Americans as the absolute idiots.

cheers - turiya :cool:

ghostrider
5th September 2014, 04:15
change the name but the players and the game is still the same ... kill innocent civilians while banks and corporations enrich themselves ...

Sorry, but imo, they are being funded basically by the U.S. Taxpayers. If you look at the recruitment of these guys, its Abdel Hakim Belhaj who spent time in Guantanamo Bay where he probably got his training. Guantanamo has been kept in place by the U.S. taxpayers. Then there's another guy named Airat Vakhitov who was from Chechnya, he was also interned in Guantanamo Bay at the same time as Bekhadj where he, no doubt, also got his instructions upon making a deal upon his release. (Why have these guys been released???) Then there's major funding coming from the Saudi Prince Bandar who's been a major financial controlling contributor. And you should already know that this is the guy that Obama bowed to when he went to Saudi Arabia - a major ally of the U.S., Britain & ISRAEL!!! All the time playing the Americans as the absolute idiots.

cheers - turiya :cool:

I think it's the CIA spooks , they go around stirring up trouble everywhere , pinning the blame on whomever they want to make war with , wagging the dog with false flags as they have done in Vietnam and Iraq ... We are supposed to believe an oil tanker worth 100 million dollars just vanishes , then re-appears with the oil gone ... someone paid for the oil ... satellites track everything , the NSA listens to everything , they are just playing the people ... wagging the dog ... They want a WW3 ... They always need a bad guy to protect you from ... it's the same trick over and over ... two months ago NO one uttered the word ISIS ...

Maia Gabrial
5th September 2014, 12:57
I read somewhere that Sen. McCain, the traitor met with ISIS several times... Wonder if that's true?

Robin
5th September 2014, 17:43
You have to realize that EVERYTHING that happens on this planet that has to do with humanity is fabricated. Humanity as a whole is not living in Natural Law, mostly because it is being influenced by a parasite. ALL nations are controlled; ALL religions were created and are controlled; ALL governments are created and controlled by the same people.

Some nations and groups are less controlled by this parasite, but they are still heavily influenced indirectly and discretely. It really all comes down to religion. The radical Muslims who are not being controlled by the parasite are still being heavily influenced through their religion and culture.

Everything that happens is influenced by this parasite, even if it is indirect and covert. All events are orchestrated by the same people, and even if ISIL was an independent army, they are still influenced by a religion that was created for this specific purpose. It is silly to think otherwise.