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jerry
22nd November 2014, 04:58
The latest story I came cross this evening (UK PLANS TO BAN KNIVES) has prompted me to start this thread with hopes for brainstormers with proactive ideals. To hopefully present solutions other than total enslavement by a nanny state that is bent on protectionism, that is turning our world on its head. Any proposals or ideals which may be presented here , gathered and petitioned to anyone of relative persuasive power for changes to this futile path were on.

For myself I say violence has to be regulated as porn across the board. Satanism be banned in public arenas. True religious principles reenacted in our schools having different schools as different strokes for different folks, by real separation of Church and State. End the state! Calling out the pharmaceutical industrial complex on the use of drugs that are involved 100% of the time, when a incident such as Columbine, Batman theater shooting, Sandy Hook, John Lennon, ect, ect, ect, ect, happens.

The PTB are having a field day with us as we are destroying our society from within, while the banksters and warmongers laugh all the way to the bank. Were being made a mockery of especially if you buy into conspiracy theories. Media has us so dumbed down along with the chemicals in our daily environment, food, air and water. I know solutions are there other than total enslavement. I would think with a critical mass reached it can be done through educational programs other than teaching our children that their God given rights are given to them by the state and how to have safe anal sex. Social programs instead of Star War programs without socialist communism that's becoming the norm. Im really feeling on the edge this evening and hope im not overstepping my bounds by offending anyone ....thanks I guess I need to walk it off

TargeT
22nd November 2014, 05:28
massive wide-scale use (with a guide in proper set and setting) of DMT and other hallucinogenic tools.

Disbanding all organized religions (starting with the worst offenders, the abrahamic ones) and emphasizing spirituality and empathy.

Remove greed based systems of government and goods exchange, replace with "good will" and "Volunteerism" based systems.

that would be a good start, but honestly we are not very far from the bottom right now so there is almost no where to go but up; I'm optimistic.

;)

jerry
22nd November 2014, 06:00
What a good start Targe! You always have a great perspective that seems to shine in the best of light. Terrific comments . Although It feels like the bottom I think were a long way from it, couldn't prove it and the reason for my angst. True freedom of the press being restored would go a long way as well. With real protection for whistle blowers.

Here I go a bit off topic but I feel needs added.

From a JFK speech "
Athenian lawmaker solon 23 decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy and that is why our press was protected by the first amendment the only business in America specifically protected by the constitution"
and "
government at all levels must meet its obligation to provide you with the fullest possible information outside the narrowest window of national security, and so it is to the printing press the recorder of mans deeds, the keeper of his conscience, the courier of his news that we look for strength and assistants. confident with your help, man will be what he was born to be, free and independent "

Finally truth to power that all seem to have thrown to the wayside

"we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence–on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed"

Kennedy warned us and look what happened, Buried for 50 years now, it needs to be dug up.

Innocent Warrior
22nd November 2014, 06:19
Replace privatized prisons with community rehabilitation centres, which can have different security levels.

Implement use of free energy everywhere.

Government workers all get paid the same, regardless of position and are all recognised as the nation's administration staff. No more treating presidents etc as celebrities and gods by giving them more power, they're administration staff.

Grow fruit trees in parks < not about stopping enslavement, just cool.

Red Skywalker
22nd November 2014, 07:25
Give everybody a basic and free income of money. No need for the survivalmode anymore.

ghostrider
22nd November 2014, 07:26
Return to nature and the old ways ... grow your own food ... build your own house ... cherish life protect it ... Killing doesn't solve anything , people just reincarnate they come back ... we need a mindset overhaul on a global scale ... exchanging ideas instead of gunfire when we disagree ... the basic needs should be provided , most kill for survival , house them , feed them , heal them , teach them, and maybe they won't need to be violent to live ... the world needs a living example of a better way , like the Amish or something , simple living based on a moral core with the good of all in mind instead of the bank accounts of a very few ... greed and the love of money is root of evil ... our world is so out of balance , look at any area , it's upside down ... We need honest leaders in government to start , as long as corrupt people make laws that benefit them and punish us , we face MT Everest ... it's up to us together to fix it ... time to leave the age of beliefs and enter the age of knowledge ...

Baby Steps
22nd November 2014, 09:18
Indigenous societies never had this problem.why? They have functioning communities with proper support for healthy youth including respect, duty, rites of passage, spiritual guidance etc.
We could also get into super radiant tm. With enough people meditating, the bad behaviour abates in the local area. It's a numbers game, and there is a number that would work on a global level.
But ultimately these ideas are not important. Tptb want us to believe that we are hopeless brutal savages inherently. This is not true. If the general malign energetic influence of the elite was removed, I think things would just settle down on their own. Why? Because nutrition, medicine, morals, education, would all transform. It would be a global hundredth monkey effect
Additionally, we must recognise that particularly young males have a predisposition for violence, adventure, adrenalin rushes, contrarianism. This is a genetic feature of their health and vitality. In indigenous civilisations there are healthy outlets for this, but also the young bucks would take a beating from time to time. All well and good. In our modern society, we deny and surpress this impulse while simultaneously bombarding young males with violent images, alienation, spiritual disconnection and hopelessness. This is nothing less than a strategy to subvert natural impulses to murderous behaviours. Look at the young guys flocking to Isis with Islam for dummies in their rucksacks

21g
22nd November 2014, 13:10
Start with state sponsored murder.

Maybe have an online U.N, type organisation, run by and for the people.
Perhaps overseen by conflict resolution specialists. Basically, people vote and veto
military action. If over 100 million people in the U.S. , Europe and Iraq said no war, then who
are Cameron, Obama, Putin et al representing ? Cause it wont be us !

Get ex military folk onboard and we would be well on the way.

One clause perhaps, if the Elites insist military action is essential then they can don boxing gloves
and the winner gets preferential dibs at the negotiating table. Hang on a minute, Cameron v Putin ?
Nah, maybe tiddly winks would level the playing field. I jest, but online democracy and decision making
could be the way forward.

G.

peterpam
22nd November 2014, 14:44
Indigenous societies never had this problem.why? They have functioning communities with proper support for healthy youth including respect, duty, rites of passage, spiritual guidance etc.
We could also get into super radiant tm. With enough people meditating, the bad behaviour abates in the local area. It's a numbers game, and there is a number that would work on a global level.
But ultimately these ideas are not important. Tptb want us to believe that we are hopeless brutal savages inherently. This is not true. If the general malign energetic influence of the elite was removed, I think things would just settle down on their own. Why? Because nutrition, medicine, morals, education, would all transform. It would be a global hundredth monkey effect
Additionally, we must recognise that particularly young males have a predisposition for violence, adventure, adrenalin rushes, contrarianism. This is a genetic feature of their health and vitality. In indigenous civilisations there are healthy outlets for this, but also the young bucks would take a beating from time to time. All well and good. In our modern society, we deny and surpress this impulse while simultaneously bombarding young males with violent images, alienation, spiritual disconnection and hopelessness. This is nothing less than a strategy to subvert natural impulses to murderous behaviours. Look at the young guys flocking to Isis with Islam for dummies in their rucksacks



I really appreciate your response here, HugoJudd. The fact that you addressed the strong inclination of the young male, and offer a solution rather than suppressing of impulses or ignoring this inclination is essential. I don't want to sound like a chauvinist here but these inclinations, misdirected have caused much harm in our social structures.

jerry
22nd November 2014, 17:24
The Amish are an excellent example we could and have learned from. What is it about them we find less desirable other than their stout religion?
Return to nature and the old ways ... grow your own food ... build your own house ... cherish life protect it ... Killing doesn't solve anything , people just reincarnate they come back ... we need a mindset overhaul on a global scale ... exchanging ideas instead of gunfire when we disagree ... the basic needs should be provided , most kill for survival , house them , feed them , heal them , teach them, and maybe they won't need to be violent to live ... the world needs a living example of a better way , like the Amish or something , simple living based on a moral core with the good of all in mind instead of the bank accounts of a very few ... greed and the love of money is root of evil ... our world is so out of balance , look at any area , it's upside down ... We need honest leaders in government to start , as long as corrupt people make laws that benefit them and punish us , we face MT Everest ... it's up to us together to fix it ... time to leave the age of beliefs and enter the age of knowledge ...

ghostrider
22nd November 2014, 17:55
They are on the sane track for sure .

sigma6
22nd November 2014, 19:03
Give everybody a basic and free income of money. No need for the survivalmode anymore.

It would only be fair, and if you knew what you pledged when they set up the birth certificate... like Winston said everyone could live off it if they wanted to, which might have something to do with why it is kept hidden...

Nasu
22nd November 2014, 19:28
I love this thread, such great ideas. I don't have any new ones or good ones, but I do agree that poverty and desperation account for much of the worlds killings. Other than state sanctioned killing, of course, without war the killing rate would almost drop off the chart.. Sooo, the biggest culprit of killing today is the state.. Therefore, to really do some good, we need to do all of the above, solve poverty and desperation and stop our nations going to war in our name, or at the very least, on our coin.. great thread.... N

Shezbeth
22nd November 2014, 19:32
I love this thread, such great ideas. I don't have any new ones or good ones, but I do agree that poverty and desperation account for much of the worlds killings. Other than state sanctioned killing, of course, without war the killing rate would almost drop off the chart.. Sooo, the biggest culprit of killing today is the state.. Therefore, to really do some good, we need to do all of the above, solve poverty and desperation and stop our nations going to war in our name, or at the very least, on our coin.. great thread.... N

Soooo,... to stop people from killing each other, the state must be killed? I'm not suggesting, but that is the deductive (or is it inductive?) conclusion.

Nasu
22nd November 2014, 19:44
I love this thread, such great ideas. I don't have any new ones or good ones, but I do agree that poverty and desperation account for much of the worlds killings. Other than state sanctioned killing, of course, without war the killing rate would almost drop off the chart.. Sooo, the biggest culprit of killing today is the state.. Therefore, to really do some good, we need to do all of the above, solve poverty and desperation and stop our nations going to war in our name, or at the very least, on our coin.. great thread.... N

Soooo,... to stop people from killing each other, the state must be killed? I'm not suggesting, but that is the deductive (or is it inductive?) conclusion.

No, I would not want to kill the state, until we have a cohesion on this planet, that is up until this day been unseen, I think pulling down our borders and walls is not a good idea. When we are finally at that cohesion, the need for the state and borders will be moot. Until that time reform is our best tool, that or total collapse. I would rather reform, think how hard and what a waist of good water, it would be to make a nice hot bath, after a collapse?? To be honest I'm good either way, if giving up baths meant we re gained our collective freedom upon this world, I could shower... N

Shezbeth
22nd November 2014, 19:52
But do you disagree that cohesion of the planet is prevented by the state? Wouldn't waiting for such be putting the cart before the horse then? ^_~

Nasu
22nd November 2014, 20:06
But do you disagree that cohesion of the planet is prevented by the state? Wouldn't waiting for such be putting the cart before the horse then? ^_~

No I wouldn't nessisarally disagree, but it's our collective history, across the planet that has brought us to this place, blaming the state is not the answer, we are the state, we need to redirect it, not destroy it, in my opinion. Waiting for others to act is not my advice, ever. So you are right about the cart and the horse to. I only hope that reform IS possible. There must have come a time just before Rome was sacked, where the collective will to continue was less than an individuals will, at that point the state is no more. I think it's probably very Darwinian, the state that survives the most, lives the longest... Lets be the change... N

NancyV
22nd November 2014, 20:48
The question "how can we stop people from killing each other" is something that has little possibility of ever being achieved, in fact no possibility in my opinion. We humans have survival traits that include protecting ourselves and our families from danger. Often this means killing a dangerous aggressor. When I look back on history I see very few indigenous groups that did not indulge in killing, in fact it was the norm in many situations. My question is why do people think it is strange that we humans kill other humans and animals when it has been going on for as long as humanity has been on this planet? All one has to do is read history to understand that it is filled with wars and killing....everywhere on the planet and in all times.

As far as ever having no borders, no property, that's not going to work either. Human animals are territorial. We are compelled by our survival instincts to defend our territory, whether that is our home, our possessions, our family, our country, etc. This is a normal survival trait of almost all animals, certainly all omnivores and carnivores. Self survival is something that is all but impossible to eradicate, and why would someone want to overcome those traits we were imbued with in order to survive in this rather hostile and dangerous 3D world?

I accept that my animal instincts do not negate my spiritual instincts or abilities. I do not accept the premise that killing is always wrong or immoral. Murder, for reasons other than survival, may be wrong and immoral if we are judging by Judeo-Christian and many other religious and moral theories. There may be times when even murder is not "wrong". That could depend on so many things, like karma, fate, predestination, justice, etc....that I would probably occasionally consider it to be done for a good reason. I don't consider capital punishment for heinous crimes to be wrong. Since we don't have methods that really work well to rehabilitate sick and twisted murderers, I think we are better off killing them, removing them from doing harm to others. They don't die and in fact immediately go to wherever they can learn the most for their own understanding and soul evolution, whether that is a difficult lower astral dimension or a higher vibrational dimension. So I consider capital punishment to be more merciful than a life sentence in prison.

We are not going to stop people from killing each other and make them into what we think is loving, peaceful, benevolent and productive. The vast majority of us are stuck in our programmed ways and we all have survival instincts. The only person we really have the ability to change is our own self. The world will not conform to our ideas of what is good or evil. First change yourself to what you think you should be. That is a lifelong pursuit. Of course if it pleases one to attempt, against all odds, logic, reason, science and recorded history to still think they can stop the killing, they will learn much from that pursuit. They may not realize until they are very old that it's still the same old reality-matrix/game, with great dangers, killings, hatreds, greed, etc., but also love and compassion. Fighting against something, especially the dark side of human nature, can make it stronger and trying to change others is futile.

jerry
22nd November 2014, 21:14
We may not be able to do away with the state (the worst offender of killing) however the Police State is intolerable on any level. We know who, what, about where, and when things turned on its head and things are snowballing out of control. The NDAA became the straw that broke the camels back , then along came The lying shill promising change right out of JFK's playbook.

How do we restore accountability with the mob running the state with something other than outright revolution, I don't see it . The people don't see it and most won't believe it until it directly affects them. No one hardly comes to mind in the echelons of power that couldn't be convicted of treason, fraud, or outright thief. The bankers and corporate elitist walk with no admission of guilt and a simple fine for the raping and pillaging of every single person on the planet.

I agree there are a lot of great ideas being put forth here for the needed change . The biggest challenge in my mind is convincing the American population that they are being lied to, they are being manipulated. That freedom is theirs by right and not given to them by the State. That the poverty and injustice inflicted is because of their own apathy and unwavering trust. They need to see that government is doing what is best for the select elitist and nothing for them. That dividing and conquering is at the heart of their strategy and fear is the biggest false flag used against them. A need to reveal convincingly to all, the house of cards is collapsing and the state will not save them. That every program, every reg, every move that the government is now making is for the control and total domination of the populace once it does fall under its own weight.

Why do those in power ignore these truths ? what have they been promised? the topics here on Avalon do go a long way in explaining what may or may not be happening behind the scene. But how in the world would one go about convincing those who still believe Bin Laden was responsible for 911. That its a good possibility that there are those who are planning a breakaway society. I know I can't get a grip on it but the thing that makes the most sense is this last scenario, that there are warring factions of aliens running it all behind the scene. Go figure. Anyway thanks to all taking the time to respond to the thread.


"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.”
Arthur Conan Doyle,



“We’ll know our disinformation programs are complete when everything the public believes is false” William Casey CIA Director 1981

TargeT
23rd November 2014, 02:11
The question "how can we stop people from killing each other" is something that has little possibility of ever being achieved, in fact no possibility in my opinion. We humans have survival traits that include protecting ourselves and our families from danger. Often this means killing a dangerous aggressor. When I look back on history I see very few indigenous groups that did not indulge in killing, in fact it was the norm in many situations. My question is why do people think it is strange that we humans kill other humans and animals when it has been going on for as long as humanity has been on this planet? All one has to do is read history to understand that it is filled with wars and killing....everywhere on the planet and in all times.

To expand on this:
Not only is it ubiquitous through out our history, but FRACTALY it is an undeniable pattern. I think what has happened is that our definition of "death" or "causing death (AKA killing)" has been solidly defined as a "permanent ending"; which is probably a part of the system that keeps our individual experiences individual (we have to believe that once the "ME" dies... it's over, else the "ME" experience will never be as engaging or fulfilling).

basically, I think we need to seriously re-evaluate death and see it for what it (apparently) is, doing this will drastically change our outlook on many, many topics.



We may not be able to do away with the state
WOAH...

WHY THE HELL NOT?

Is the "state" that well entrenched? seriously, 2000 years of history is a FARCE, a BLINK in the history of humanity... what we suffer now is NOT a given, the state is needed as much as a wart on my foot.

Please, based on the above statement, tell me WHY we are not or may not be able to do a way with "the state"?



I agree there are a lot of great ideas being put forth here for the needed change . The biggest challenge in my mind is convincing the American population that they are being lied to, they are being manipulated. That freedom is theirs by right and not given to them by the State. That the poverty and injustice inflicted is because of their own apathy and unwavering trust. They need to see that government is doing what is best for the select elitist and nothing for them. That dividing and conquering is at the heart of their strategy and fear is the biggest false flag used against them. A need to reveal convincingly to all, the house of cards is collapsing and the state will not save them. That every program, every reg, every move that the government is now making is for the control and total domination of the populace once it does fall under its own weight.

In as unoffensive a way as possible I say this:

I think you still need convincing.

It is very easy for us (and I categorize "us" as the "leading edge" of awareness in a wave that will NOT stop, as the ebb and flow continues in this pattern and we WILL have our golden age, we just happen to not be in it yet) to see, and lament that it is not "seen" by others, the failing of the past. But change is the ONLY constant, and this change will continue to sweep through the populace (at a pace unacceptable to us, of course, due to our position in the wave); but that does not mean that it is not coming, and coming soon.



Why do those in power ignore these truths ? what have they been promised? the topics here on Avalon do go a long way in explaining what may or may not be happening behind the scene. But how in the world would one go about convincing those who still believe Bin Laden was responsible for 911. That its a good possibility that there are those who are planning a breakaway society. I know I can't get a grip on it but the thing that makes the most sense is this last scenario, that there are warring factions of aliens running it all behind the scene. Go figure. Anyway thanks to all taking the time to respond to the thread.


"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.”
Arthur Conan Doyle,



“We’ll know our disinformation programs are complete when everything the public believes is false” William Casey CIA Director 1981

A lot of very complex questions asked here... I think a simple and encompassing response is this:

Change only comes when willed.

You can lead a horse to water, but cannot make it drink.

you LITERALLY cannot force people to change their minds, even when presented with overwhelming evidence they will only change their minds when ready.

Know these things, TRULY know them; and you will lead a more peaceful and accepting life.

jerry
23rd November 2014, 03:22
That would be icing on the cake to do away with the state, I just think without a revolution it wont happen. Many ifs in play there. TPTB control the mind of the masses through the industrial media complex. Take a peek at AOL news this evening the shills are out in force debunking some of the major conspiracy theories. They have put Hillary on a pedestal made up their stories and are sticking to it. Sandy hook is getting the same treatment . The shills are out in force and the comments are flying and dying, fast and furious. So it was encouraging, as an incredible thing was transpiring. It looked as though the shills had their hands full, refreshing to see. I have been seeing the awakening expanding and taking shape, as just a year ago I was the nut job in the crowd.( still am in some but not in all these days) Just this past week I had the experience of being the center of attention. And more often hear comments of things like "you were right" or where can I get that info? So yes I see the shift I guess it just isn't happening quick enough.

These are complex problems, and convincing I don't know? I see what they have gotten away with up to now and even though a lot of positive things are in the works it just seems they always find away to wiggle out and come back even stronger. I want to keep my mindset of running the bums out, at least, and at best put them in front of a jury of their peers . Sometimes when I stumble upon a story line propagandized by a Bill O'Riely or a Melissa Harris-Perry I cant help to let the hopelessness fester a bit before I'm able to shake it off.


Thanks Targe, your encouragement is refreshing......and every ones comments are awesome. I took a peek at triviumedu ....very interesting

Gardener
23rd November 2014, 04:14
I can envisage a society of small tribes, of say 200 self governing people, with a council of grandmothers for the more delicate decision making. These tribes when functioning would/could by its nature, freeze out what we know now as 'government' and 'money' as being obsolete.

Baby Steps
23rd November 2014, 22:22
Yes there are plenty of examples of indigenous societies being extremely violent, such as the Maoris etc. I was more interested in their societal set up. When healthy, these tribal societies have lower levels of mental illness. They are functioning societies, and the youth are not alienated and murderous. They do not give the kids drugs that promote depression and violence. Youth is taught to respect its elders, and learn from them. I wish we could incorporate more of this into modern 'society'

TargeT
23rd November 2014, 22:35
That would be icing on the cake to do away with the state, I just think without a revolution it wont happen.

I have this hang up, this personal "pet peve" lately.. I view it as boarder line petty, and yet so important that I must voice it.

Do you know what the term revolution means?

Do we truly want a revolution? do we want to start this cycle over again? I mean we can, it's been done countless times... but is that our goal? just to go back to the start, to "revolve" to "circle around"

Lately the term has been perverted to mean what you are trying to say, but the word does not mean that... and perversion does not change truth.


But I do agree with the idea; we will come to a breaking point, we have to, and things will change.

NOW, this is a known thing; so do not be surprised when the breaking point is cleverly guided and the change is really not much of a change... its already happening and those that have the ability to plan over millennia are doing just that. we are deep into this situation and mostly clueless about it... the "uprising" we all recognize right now is exactly where it is suppose to be to help bring in the "NWO"... I think we are very potentially worse off than we can imagine.


And yet, I see so much potential, I see things starting to slip, cracks opening; unplanned for opportunities arising... the Open Source community is a BLESSING, distributed EVERYTHING will save us; I am optimistic.

Gaia
23rd November 2014, 23:05
Peace comes from within, search for it.

amor
23rd November 2014, 23:26
Uncreate the think tanks (e.g. rand, brookings, etc.) which cleverly set groups against other groups to serve the NWO's agenda. It is them or us.

East Sun
23rd November 2014, 23:31
First, get rid of (by whatever means necessary) all the evil satanic hybrid controllers.


Then we can start anew with a fairness-for-all system with no organized religion.

Waking the masses up would be the hardest part.


Otherwise continue with the status quo to our detriment.

Shezbeth
23rd November 2014, 23:40
First, get rid of (by whatever means necessary) all the evil satanic hybrid controllers.

Then we can start anew with a fairness-for-all system with no organized religion.

Waking the masses up would be the hardest part.

Otherwise continue with the status quo to our detriment.

First, how do you propose we do this? Ninjas? (no, I'm not joking!)

East Sun
24th November 2014, 02:00
We are in the process of awakening the masses which is crucial to any real progress that needs to be accomplished. Maybe I should have made that the 'First' thing that needs to be done.

As David Icke says, "We are many, they are few."

The controllers are doing a great deal to keep the populations of the world dumb--ed down in every way they can. It's up to us to do everything we can to turn things around, each one in any way he or she can.

P. S. Ninjas might be helpful at some point....

jerry
24th November 2014, 05:31
That would be icing on the cake to do away with the state, I just think without a revolution it wont happen.

I have this hang up, this personal "pet peve" lately.. I view it as boarder line petty, and yet so important that I must voice it.

Do you know what the term revolution means?

Do we truly want a revolution? do we want to start this cycle over again? I mean we can, it's been done countless times... but is that our goal? just to go back to the start, to "revolve" to "circle around"

Lately the term has been perverted to mean what you are trying to say, but the word does not mean that... and perversion does not change truth.


But I do agree with the idea; we will come to a breaking point, we have to, and things will change.

NOW, this is a known thing; so do not be surprised when the breaking point is cleverly guided and the change is really not much of a change... its already happening and those that have the ability to plan over millennia are doing just that. we are deep into this situation and mostly clueless about it... the "uprising" we all recognize right now is exactly where it is suppose to be to help bring in the "NWO"... I think we are very potentially worse off than we can imagine.


And yet, I see so much potential, I see things starting to slip, cracks opening; unplanned for opportunities arising... the Open Source community is a BLESSING, distributed EVERYTHING will save us; I am optimistic.

Revolution of how history defines it? wont happen because TPTB wont allow it without total destruction on a mass scale. They have been beta testing all the scenarios' to find which will work ,best bang for the buck. We can see by the pace of attacks across the board they are already shutting society down. Didn't even do this in Germany , didn't have the technology or just wasn't able to use it.

Slowly was the goal, but too much has been reveled or too many are now awakening. They see the parties coming to an end, why try to hide it. Spew propaganda that separates everyone on the current events and crisis, based on MSM psyops. Put Key officials in every powerful institution across the board with compartmentalization. Throw in a few false flags. Are we there yet? The growing consensus is that their psychopaths bent on domination and control. All signs pointing to total destruction if they don't get it.

Most revolutions started with ample warning, I think were already in the middle of one, and most don't even know it. Its Definition won't be found here: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/revolution
If it happens it will come with a new definition, it will be like nothing ever seen. Done peaceful, with every last one of us, an Egyptian moment. On a global scale, a Globalution ...................or not!


"I think we are very potentially worse off than we can imagine." ........DIDO!

vilcabamba
25th November 2014, 03:32
I don't think anything is going to help. Even the new age people and alternative news listening people can be dangerous. With their increasing racial hatred against jewish people which has been pushed by David Icke and others because of a couple dozen illuminati a-holes, they are ready to throw 50 million innocent Jews under the bridge again. And these are new agers and Alex Jones listeners who are supposed to be awakened.

I also have a christian friend who is on a witch hunt against people into metaphysics. I think most people are dangerously brainwashed and under satanic energies on this planet. There is no hope for 90% of the planet. They are just lower dimensional souls and will use violence from lifetime to lifetime.

So in conclusion, i don't think there is much hope for the souls in this current 3D dimensional reality. They are just not graduating higher. And there will prob. be much bloodshed continued down the road. So much for the Golden Age really getting going right now. I just don't see it yet. I think we have a rough road ahead.

jerry
25th November 2014, 04:16
I don't think anything is going to help. Even the new age people and alternative news listening people can be dangerous. With their increasing racial hatred against jewish people which has been pushed by David Icke and others because of a couple dozen illuminati a-holes, they are ready to throw 50 million innocent Jews under the bridge again. And these are new agers and Alex Jones listeners who are supposed to be awakened.

I also have a christian friend who is on a witch hunt against people into metaphysics. I think most people are dangerously brainwashed and under satanic energies on this planet. There is no hope for 90% of the planet. They are just lower dimensional souls and will use violence from lifetime to lifetime.

So in conclusion, i don't think there is much hope for the souls in this current 3D dimensional reality. They are just not graduating higher. And there will prob. be much bloodshed continued down the road. So much for the Golden Age really getting going right now. I just don't see it yet. I think we have a rough road ahead.
That's not the way I see it Vilcabamba. Its those guys who are awakening the masses . No one else is expressing too much concern and if you listen to MSM I think your miss the point every time, because its always one sided and Biased. I don't know of any racial attacks by any of those guys and I listen regularly . The divide and conquer is working more than it ever has because the topics that divide us are endless. What ever happened to lets just agree to disagree, live and let live. We all form opinions when Americas top celebrity tell us Obamas our daddy ????really. Well I think daddy should be in jail myself. But that comment alone will ruin some ones day . Walk away try to see it in a different light . Sorry for your Christian friend because I also think the metaphysical folks are onto something, especially when you consider the quantum aspect of it, and that's still with Christ in the picture, along with one god that means so many things with many differing views. Things are certainly unraveling but what comes out of it may very well be something that brings out the best in people because that's human nature when the playing field turns equal and its bad all around. People will wake up finally and when they do it will shock them to their senses' and hopefully what it is that divides us, will be that which unites us.

East Sun
26th November 2014, 03:28
To Shesbeth....

Read my 'first' sentence (by what ever means necessary).

That answered your question.