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chitters2004
27th November 2014, 00:31
Article is about a caller on C2C who claims to have seen humanoids walking on Mars.

http://metro.co.uk/2014/11/25/nasa-worker-claims-to-have-seen-humans-walking-on-mars-in-1979-4961608/?ito=facebook

Rachel
27th November 2014, 00:39
‘Bill Ryan who posted these claims online concluded that ‘the Serpo story is a mixture of disinformation (i.e. truth mixed with added fictional elements) and naturally occurring compounded errors…surrounding a core of extraordinary truth.’

Cool, I like the quote they used! Thanks for sharing.

ghostrider
27th November 2014, 03:55
too kewl ... they will discover life did not originate on Earth ... Mars was our home , then Earth ...

21g
27th November 2014, 07:49
The film Total recall , an extraordinary truth ?

Physicist, Dr John Brandenburg thinks it might be.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11/24/life-on-mars-nuclear-war_n_6209898.html

Ill be back, later.

Nick Matkin
27th November 2014, 12:27
'Jackie' claims there were lots of screens where she worked and implied they were the ones we've all seen at NASA. So far so good. But there was no live video feed from Viking, just stills. In the possible but unlikely event that there was a live video feed that was kept from public view, then plenty of NASA staff would have seen it.

So if there was no live video, Jackie couldn't have seen anyone walking towards Vicking. Was she put on air to add weight to John Lear's ideas?

(Lear claims the Moon has a thin atmosphere. If it did, it would be fairly easy to detect by amateur astronomers when looking at the light from stars as it passes through the Moon's atmosphere, even if it was very thin - wouldn't it?)

Anyway, an interesting story for the Metro to publish, and a good quote from Bill.

Nick

Atlas
27th November 2014, 12:47
Physicist, Dr John Brandenburg
Here is an interview:

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Related thread: projectavalon.net/Gravity-UFOs-Mars-Dr.-John-Brandenburg (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30537-Gravity-UFOs-Mars-Dr.-John-Brandenburg)

Bill Ryan
27th November 2014, 14:27
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Wow.

Here's the original METRO article:
http://metro.co.uk/2014/11/25/nasa-worker-claims-to-have-seen-humans-walking-on-mars-in-1979-4961608


NASA worker claims to have seen humans walking on Mars in 1979

http://i0.wp.com/metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/rob_waugh2.jpg?crop=0px%2C99px%2C2945px%2C2945px&resize=150%2C150&w=40&h=40 (http://metro.co.uk/author/rob-waugh/)
Rob Waugh for Metro.co.uk (http://metro.co.uk/author/rob-waugh/)
Tuesday 25 Nov 2014 10:11 am



https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/marsviking.jpg
A NASA employee claims to have seen people walking on Mars in 1979 next to the Viking Lander (Picture: NASA)

A woman who claims to be a former NASA employee claims to have seen evidence of the most monumental cover-up in space history in 1979 – as she saw two human figures in space suits walk calmly towards the Viking lander (the grandfather of today’s Mars Curiosity Rover) across the Martian surface.

‘Jackie’ called in to Coast to Coast AM in America this year, and asked the presenter to ‘solve a 27-year-old mystery for me.’

She claimed to have been working for NASA, handling downlink telemetry from the lander – the first vehicle to send back images of Mars’s surface – when she saw two people walking on the surface.

‘That old Viking rover was running around,’ she said, saying that she and six colleagues were watching on multiple screens. ‘Then I saw two men in space suits – not the bulky suits we normally used, but they looked protective. They came over the horizon walking to the Viking Explorer.’

Naturally, UFO and conspiracy websites have lapped this up – with some claiming that the humans may have been there to polish the lander’s solar panels.

This seems a little odd, considering that if there were humans there, presumably they could just fill the lander with petrol instead- or take photographs themselves.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQRtxHMqyeI
‘There were probably about half a dozen of us downstairs,’ ‘Jackie’ said. ‘We were just maintaining the equipment. Then they cut off our video feed.’

‘We ran upstairs – but they locked the door, and taped paper over the door so we couldn’t see. My question is – were they our guys?’

Other conspiracy theorists claim there were ‘secret’ landings on Mars in the Sixties – and the Apollo landings were actually a cover-up for wider exploration of the solar system.

Former CIA pilot John Lear claims that NASA landed on Mars in 1966, and that humans adapted to breathe the thin Martian atmosphere.

It should also be noted, however, that Lear believes that human souls travel to the moon when they die to be processed inside a mile-high glass tower, and that the toxic, crushingly dense Venus is actually ‘green and beautiful.’

Nigel Watson, author of the Haynes UFO Investigations Manual, says, ‘These accounts of secret space missions seem to be growing in number and remind me of the infamous Project Serpo.’

‘In November 2005, a contact called ‘anonymous’, who said they worked for the US Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) started sending information about an extraordinary alien exchange programme, called Project Serpo. Basing his claims on a 3,000-page document written in the late 1970s, he boldly claimed that six aliens were recovered from the Roswell crash.’

‘Claims that aliens living and/or dead were recovered from the Roswell crash are nothing new, but in this case it was stated that an alien survivor from the crash, called EBE 1, helped to organise twelve specially trained people to visit his home planet Serpo in the Zeta Reticuli solar system. This mission occurred in 1965 and they remained there until 1978. During their stay two of them died, two remained on the planet and the rest, after returning to Earth, have died because of the high levels of radiation they were exposed to on Serpo.’

‘Bill Ryan who posted these claims online concluded that ‘the Serpo story is a mixture of disinformation (i.e. truth mixed with added fictional elements) and naturally occurring compounded errors…surrounding a core of extraordinary truth.’

Bill Ryan
28th November 2014, 13:16
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The issue of humans on Mars in 1979 is fascinating, and aligns with the information consistently reported by Henry Deacon (a large manned Mars base, managed in co-operation with human-looking ETs), and also Jay Weidner here in this fascinating June 2010 interview:

http://projectavalon.net/Jay_Weidner_Secret_Space_Program_and_Mars_30_June_ 2010_extract.mp3 (6 Mb, 6 minute extract)

Weidner said he had been told by 'very high-up people' that there were established bases on Mars. Back in the 1990s he'd been told by NASA scientists that humans had gone to Mars in 1959 (using craft that employed torsion physics), and he did not believe what he was being told at the time — but had later come to realize that the stories were true.

Gaia
28th November 2014, 18:13
The truth is stranger than fiction. I've got a question for you M. Ryan : If man has already been to Mars then why are billions of dollars being spent on Mars explorer vehicles, if we already know what is there?

Bill Ryan
28th November 2014, 20:20
The truth is stranger than fiction. I've got a question for you M. Ryan : If man has already been to Mars then why are billions of dollars being spent on Mars explorer vehicles, if we already know what is there?

It's a good question. But the answer is that the left hand (NASA) doesn't know what the much more powerful and able right hand (the Secret Space program) is doing.

One or two individuals within NASA do.... but 99% do not. Do listen to this short audio for more of an orientation. (A good one...)

http://projectavalon.net/Jay_Weidner...10_extract.mp3 (http://projectavalon.net/Jay_Weidner_Secret_Space_Program_and_Mars_30_June_ 2010_extract.mp3) (6 Mb, 6 minute extract)

ulli
28th November 2014, 20:47
I just love Jay Weidner. My fascination with Stanley Kubrick goes back to the late sixties, and so I see Jay Weidner as my brother or as if he and I went to the same school.
He spells out everything about Kubrick I've intuited all these years. I wish he would become a member here.
What a mind. I have so many questions for him.

jake gittes
28th November 2014, 23:20
I just love Jay Weidner. My fascination with Stanley Kubrick goes back to the late sixties, and so I see Jay Weidner as my brother or as if he and I went to the same school.
He spells out everything about Kubrick I've intuited all these years. I wish he would become a member here.
What a mind. I have so many questions for him.

What has he spelled out about Kubrick? I've long been intrigued by him as well.

Nick Matkin
28th November 2014, 23:21
'Jackie' claims there were lots of screens where she worked and implied they were the ones we've all seen at NASA. So far so good. But there was no live video feed from Viking, just stills. In the possible but unlikely event that there was a live video feed that was kept from public view, then plenty of NASA staff would have seen it.

So if there was no live video, Jackie couldn't have seen anyone walking towards Vicking. Was she put on air to add weight to John Lear's ideas?

(Lear claims the Moon has a thin atmosphere. If it did, it would be fairly easy to detect by amateur astronomers when looking at the light from stars as it passes through the Moon's atmosphere, even if it was very thin - wouldn't it?)

Anyway, an interesting story for the Metro to publish, and a good quote from Bill.

Nick

Further to the above, I've also now just been reminded that Viking was not a rover, it was fixed, so couldn't have been acting as 'Jackie' states.

Are these details important, or clues the the validity of the story...?

Nick

ulli
28th November 2014, 23:26
Since becoming aware of Jay Weidner I have found quite a few interviews where he analyzes a variety of Kubrick movies.
The Shining, Eyes Wide Shut, for example. Go to Youtube and search for <Jay Weidner, Kubrick> you will find a treasure trove.

Bill Ryan
29th November 2014, 12:25
What has [Jay Weidner] spelled out about Kubrick? I've long been intrigued by him as well.

This is kind of off-topic, but definitely deserves a thread of its own, if one doesn't already exist :) ):

—> http://jayweidner.com/index.html#KO

Weidner has compiled a huge amount of evidence that Kubrick faked the moon landing videos for NASA.

There's much more than that article, as well. He's one of the best and most articulate researchers out there, and I totally agree with his conclusions.

Cristian
29th November 2014, 12:42
Hi Bill,

You always stated that in your opinion, the Moon landings were real.

Are you reversing your field ?

Of course, intelligent people sometimes do that -in light of new evidence- so I'm not implying anything . I'm just curious.

Atlas
29th November 2014, 18:10
http://store.sacredmysteriesmarketplace.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/a/d/ad-316resizen.jpg

http://nemesistv.info/video/HO3SMWSXYK42/kubricks-odyssey-secrets-hidden-in-the-films-of-stanley-kubrick-part-1

Kubrick's Odyssey II (part two):


http://vimeo.com/40537615

Hervé
29th November 2014, 18:42
[...]
Of course, intelligent people sometimes do that -in light of new evidence- so I'm not implying anything . I'm just curious.

Intelligent and educated people would also understand that this statement:


Weidner has compiled a huge amount of evidence that Kubrick faked the moon landing videos for NASA.... indicates that only the VIDEOS presented by NASA were faked. Nothing is implied about the landings themselves.

One can speculate that the real footages of these very real landings (according to those who were there and confided to Bill) would have been too difficult and time consuming to edit (of damning evidence?) in record time for wide consumption by a very hungry public; i.e. worthy of "National Geographic" poster pictures.

Cristian
29th November 2014, 20:54
Thanks Herve, I thought about the fact that the videos were faked and the landings were real.

But even if the Moon is full of damning evidence can you still not find a quiet place to make a landing and a movie?

Rocky_Shorz
29th November 2014, 21:10
I think your newsletter (projectavalon.net/Project_Avalon_Newsletter_2_23 November_2014.pdf) was brilliant and answered many questions for those who were looking, might have been enough to bring this special whistle-blower forward...


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Wow.

Here's the original METRO article:
http://metro.co.uk/2014/11/25/nasa-worker-claims-to-have-seen-humans-walking-on-mars-in-1979-4961608


NASA worker claims to have seen humans walking on Mars in 1979

http://i0.wp.com/metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/rob_waugh2.jpg?crop=0px%2C99px%2C2945px%2C2945px&resize=150%2C150&w=40&h=40 (http://metro.co.uk/author/rob-waugh/)
Rob Waugh for Metro.co.uk (http://metro.co.uk/author/rob-waugh/)
Tuesday 25 Nov 2014 10:11 am



https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/marsviking.jpg
A NASA employee claims to have seen people walking on Mars in 1979 next to the Viking Lander (Picture: NASA)

A woman who claims to be a former NASA employee claims to have seen evidence of the most monumental cover-up in space history in 1979 – as she saw two human figures in space suits walk calmly towards the Viking lander (the grandfather of today’s Mars Curiosity Rover) across the Martian surface.

‘Jackie’ called in to Coast to Coast AM in America this year, and asked the presenter to ‘solve a 27-year-old mystery for me.’

She claimed to have been working for NASA, handling downlink telemetry from the lander – the first vehicle to send back images of Mars’s surface – when she saw two people walking on the surface.

‘That old Viking rover was running around,’ she said, saying that she and six colleagues were watching on multiple screens. ‘Then I saw two men in space suits – not the bulky suits we normally used, but they looked protective. They came over the horizon walking to the Viking Explorer.’

Naturally, UFO and conspiracy websites have lapped this up – with some claiming that the humans may have been there to polish the lander’s solar panels.

This seems a little odd, considering that if there were humans there, presumably they could just fill the lander with petrol instead- or take photographs themselves.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQRtxHMqyeI
‘There were probably about half a dozen of us downstairs,’ ‘Jackie’ said. ‘We were just maintaining the equipment. Then they cut off our video feed.’

‘We ran upstairs – but they locked the door, and taped paper over the door so we couldn’t see. My question is – were they our guys?’

Other conspiracy theorists claim there were ‘secret’ landings on Mars in the Sixties – and the Apollo landings were actually a cover-up for wider exploration of the solar system.

Former CIA pilot John Lear claims that NASA landed on Mars in 1966, and that humans adapted to breathe the thin Martian atmosphere.

It should also be noted, however, that Lear believes that human souls travel to the moon when they die to be processed inside a mile-high glass tower, and that the toxic, crushingly dense Venus is actually ‘green and beautiful.’

Nigel Watson, author of the Haynes UFO Investigations Manual, says, ‘These accounts of secret space missions seem to be growing in number and remind me of the infamous Project Serpo.’

‘In November 2005, a contact called ‘anonymous’, who said they worked for the US Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) started sending information about an extraordinary alien exchange programme, called Project Serpo. Basing his claims on a 3,000-page document written in the late 1970s, he boldly claimed that six aliens were recovered from the Roswell crash.’

‘Claims that aliens living and/or dead were recovered from the Roswell crash are nothing new, but in this case it was stated that an alien survivor from the crash, called EBE 1, helped to organise twelve specially trained people to visit his home planet Serpo in the Zeta Reticuli solar system. This mission occurred in 1965 and they remained there until 1978. During their stay two of them died, two remained on the planet and the rest, after returning to Earth, have died because of the high levels of radiation they were exposed to on Serpo.’

‘Bill Ryan who posted these claims online concluded that ‘the Serpo story is a mixture of disinformation (i.e. truth mixed with added fictional elements) and naturally occurring compounded errors…surrounding a core of extraordinary truth.’

Cristian
29th November 2014, 21:30
I think your newsletter (projectavalon.net/Project_Avalon_Newsletter_2_23 November_2014.pdf) was brilliant and answered many questions for those who were looking, might have been enough to bring this special whistle-blower forward...



The youtube video is dated september 16 2014...so it was not the newsletter that brought him forward. I think Bill's excellence is obvious and doesn't require a cult like mindset to validate it. Also I think he can answer his own questions :P

Also I'm doing this for a reason.

Rocky_Shorz
29th November 2014, 22:24
ahhh so maybe it was the August 28th Newsletter (http://projectavalon.net/Project_Avalon_Newsletter_1_28%20August_2014.pdf) then...

ulli
30th November 2014, 02:28
Thanks Herve, I thought about the fact that the videos were faked and the landings were real.

But even if the Moon is full of damning evidence can you still not find a quiet place to make a landing and a movie?

Good point.
One needs to look at this in the light of what their intent was in using the world's most obsessive compulsive director to create fake photos of the men on the moon. They could not have taken those photos up there. The chemicals on the film inside the Hasselblad camera would have shriveled up in those temperatures, remember this was before digital cameras.

When photographs appear in poster form, and they have the quality and sharpness that makes everyone's jaw drop, and immediately every kid in the Western world wants to buy these huge posters to hang on their bedroom walls then we can safely assume that we are looking at something bigger than just American "lets create a free world" triumphalism. The PTB need masses and masses of people to focus in one place, as this kind of focus creates an energetic force field for them to exploit.
All part of the herding, if you ask me.

And when Kubrick found out what was really going on, and how he had been tricked he made Eyes Wide Shut to expose their agenda.
And died before he could even edit it.
Everyone would like to suck everyone else into their orbit, but what makes it wrong is when lies and deception are involved. And Kubrick went along only because he thought he was doing the right thing, fighting the communist enemy, after having been persuaded that these posters would demoralize the Soviet block.
When he found out that wealthy Americans such as Armand Hammer were shipping their money to Moscow to keep the Cold War running, he saw how deep the rabbit hole really was. Poor man. And being a Scorpio he wanted revenge for having been duped, but he paid a high price.
Just me theorizing; sorry if anyone finds this distracting.

Bill Ryan
30th November 2014, 04:20
Hi Bill,

You always stated that in your opinion, the Moon landings were real.

Are you reversing your field ?

Of course, intelligent people sometimes do that -in light of new evidence- so I'm not implying anything . I'm just curious.


Nope... many of the moon landings did happen (in my opinion). But the films and photos were faked.

charlesfrith
28th January 2015, 07:32
I listened to Bill's Charles material yesterday and it's got that ring of authenticity all these years later so good work there. However I recently checked out Project Avalon Military Advanced Technology Whistleblower videos and I was shocked that Avalon would let this information go out under their name while seemingly unable to discern that the interviewee was assembling a familiar stew of known information while making claims to having superior intelligence when it was self evident he wasn't the sharpest tool in the box. I've also just listened to Bill's suggestion of Bill Deagle in his latest newsletter, and BD is a mass of contradictions that needs a strong mind to pull him apart because he's all over the show. Yes he can pull a massive deep state vocabulary out of his back pocket but the guy is not on the level with his agenda. I'm not saying Bill Deagle is all wrong but his finger pointing is everywhere as if there's no hierarchy We all know hierarchy is the leitmotif of the control matrix. I like Bill Ryan's work very much but lately it seems to lack discernment and I wonder if accumulating a version of UFO disease as John Lear once put it or is there another cause? I really don't know but to go from quality journalism to endorsing easily identifiable contradictions is unsettling.