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Sammy
8th December 2014, 03:56
Brilliant Interview with Jim Morrison (http://www.cinetropic.com/morrison/james.html)

The late American singer, poet, and songwriter, Jim Morrison of the Doors, was interviewed by Lizzie James sometime in the late 1960s. I was told about this interview a few days ago and was amazed how profound Jim was -- and this was way back. It took the world more than 40 years to catch up, but to be honest, we have actually not caught up yet. Please read, because it is pretty good and thought provoking:

Lizzie James: I think fans of The Doors see you as a savior, the leader who'll set them all free. How do you feel about that? It's kind of a heavy burden, isn't it?

Jim Morrison: It's absurd. How can I set free anyone who dosen't [sic] have the guts to stand up alone and declare his own freedom? I think it's a lie--people claim they want to be free--everybody insists that freedom is what they want the most, the most sacred and precious thing a man can possess. But that's bull****! People are terrified to be set free-they hold on to their chains. They fight anyone who tries to break those chains. It's their security....How can they expect me or anyone to set them free if they don't really want to be free?

Lizzie: Why do you think people fear freedom?

Jim: I think people resist freedom because they're afraid of the unknown. But it's ironic ... That unknown was once very well known. It's where our souls belong ... The only solution is to confront them -- confront yourself -- with the greatest fear imaginable. Expose yourself to yourself to your deepest fear. After that, fear has no power, and fear of freedom shrinks and vanishes. You are free.

Lizzie: What do mean when you say "freedom"?

Jim: There are different kinds of freedom -- there's a lot of misunderstanding ... The most important kind of freedom is to be what you really are. You trade in your reality for a role. You trade in your senses for an act. You give up your ability to feel and in exchange, put on a mask. There can't be any large-scale revolution until there's a personal revolution, on an individual level. It's got to happen inside first.
You can take away a man's political freedom and you won't hurt him -- unless you take away his freedom to feel. That can destroy him.

Lizzie: But how can anyone else have the power to take away from your freedom to feel?

Jim: Some people surrender their freedom willingly--but others are are forced to surrender it. Imprisonment begins with birth. Society, parents; they refuse to allow you to keep the freedom you are born with. There are subtle ways to punish a person for daring to feel. You see that everyone around you has destroyed his true feeling nature. You imitate what you see.

Lizzie: Are you saying that we are, in effect, brought up to defend and perpetuate a society that deprives people of the freedom to feel?

Jim: Sure ... teachers, religious leaders-even friends, or so-called friends -- take over where the parents leave off. They demand that we feel the only feelings they want and expect from us. They demand all the time that we preform [sic] feelings for them. We're like actors-turned loose in this world to wander in search of a phantom ... endlessly searching for a half-forgotten shadow of our lost reality. When others demand that we become the people they want us to be, they force us to destroy the person we really are. It's a subtle kind of murder ... the most loving parents and relatives commit this murder with smiles on their faces.

Lizzie: Do you think it's possible for an individual to free himself from these repressive forces on his own -- all alone?

Jim: That kind of freedom can't be granted. Nobody can win it for you. You have to do it on your own. If you look to somebody else to do it for you -- somebody outside yourself -- you're still depending on others. You're still vulnerable to those repressive, evil outside forces, too.

Lizzie: But isn't it possible for people who want that freedom to unite -- to combine their strength, maybe just to strengthen each other? It must be possible.

Jim: Friends can help each other. A true friend is someone who lets you have total freedom to be yourself-and especially to feel. Or not feel. Whatever you happen to be feeling at the moment is fine with them. That's what real love amounts to -- letting a person be what he really is ... Most people love you for who you pretend to be ... To keep their love, you keep pretending -- preforming [sic]. You get to love your pretense ... It's true, we're locked in an image, an act -- and the sad thing is, people get so used to their image -- they grow attached to their masks. They love their chains. They forgot all about who they really are. And if you try to remind them, they hate you for it -- they feel like you're trying to steal their most precious possession.

Lizzie: It's ironic -- it's sad. Can't they see that what you're trying to show them is the way to freedom?

Jim: Most people have no idea what they're missing. Or society places a supreme value on control -- hiding what you feel. Our culture mocks "primitive cultures" and prides itself on suppression of natural instincts and impulses.

Lizzie: In some of your poetry, you openly admire and praise primitive people -- Indians, for instance. Do you mean that it's not human beings in general but our particular society that's flawed and destructive?

Jim: Look at how other cultures live --peacefully, in harmony with the earth, the forest -- animals. They don't build war machines and invest millions of dollars in attacking other countries whose political ideals don't happen to agree with their own.

Lizzie: We live in a sick society.

Jim: It's true ... and part of the disease is not being aware that we're diseased ... Our society has too much to hold on to and to value -- freedom ends up at the bottom of the list.

Lizzie: But isn't there something an artist can do? If you didn't feel you, as an artist, could accomplish something, how could you go on?

Jim: I offer images -- I conjure memories of freedom that can still be reached -- like The Doors, right? But we can only open the doors -- we can't drag people through. I can't free them unless they want to be free -- more than anything else ... Maybe primitive people have less bull**** to let go of, to give up. A person has to be willing to give up everything -- not just wealth. All the bull**** he's been taught -- all society brainwashing. You have to let go of all that to get to the other side. Most people aren't willing to do that."

Tyy1907
8th December 2014, 04:42
That interview sure applies to the times we're in!

Bluegreen
8th December 2014, 05:38
As much as we love Jim Morrison (and we do) it must be taken into account that he came from a military family at a time when MK-Ultra was being run full-time by the CIA, and he wrote all his good songs during a two-month stretch of homelessness on the beach, according to "lore".

Investigative journalist Dave McGowan tells a true story of George Stephen Morrison (Jim's dad) and his integral part in the Gulf of Tonkin incident during a truly disturbing history of one mysterious death after another in the Laurel Canyon area of California. "The Strange but Mostly True Story of the LC" documents the military backgrounds of Stephen Stills, Frank Zappa, and the Monkees, among others. The CIA reportedly ran the largest motion picture studio in the world, which was hidden in these hills...

Love me two times?

http://www.loveforlife.com.au/content/11/03/27/inside-lc-strange-mostly-true-story-laurel-canyon-birth-hippie-generation-dave-mcgo

TraineeHuman
8th December 2014, 05:48
The only solution is to ... confront yourself with the greatest fear imaginable. Expose yourself to yourself to your deepest fear. After that, fear has no power, and fear of freedom shrinks and vanishes. You are free.

Spoken by a man who surely must have understood fear totally -- and lived that.


You see that everyone around you has destroyed his true feeling nature. You imitate what you see.

Amazing how Jim has the ability to say so much in so few words.

Skyhaven
8th December 2014, 11:00
Brilliant indeed! Great stuff, thanks!

joeecho
8th December 2014, 13:24
Excellent post justone!

'Freedom' is like all things in this world, a relative idea...elusive and always chased after like a carrot on a string.

(The chase can be fun though......'if I could just'....) (;

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-61rXzJLLh2w/T843Di24pSI/AAAAAAAADLc/C_bauq1PZJg/s1600/Donkey,+Carrot.png

The greatest thing about freedom is knowing one is free regardless of the situation.

betoobig
8th December 2014, 14:14
Agtparb19a0Thanks for the post.
In the poem Awake looks like he is talking about 5Dimension.

love

Sammy
8th December 2014, 15:38
As much as we love Jim Morrison (and we do) it must be taken into account that he came from a military family at a time when MK-Ultra was being run full-time by the CIA, and he wrote all his good songs during a two-month stretch of homelessness on the beach, according to "lore".

Investigative journalist Dave McGowan tells a true story of George Stephen Morrison (Jim's dad) and his integral part in the Gulf of Tonkin incident during a truly disturbing history of one mysterious death after another in the Laurel Canyon area of California. "The Strange but Mostly True Story of the LC" documents the military backgrounds of Stephen Stills, Frank Zappa, and the Monkees, among others. The CIA reportedly ran the largest motion picture studio in the world, which was hidden in these hills...

Love me two times?

http://www.loveforlife.com.au/content/11/03/27/inside-lc-strange-mostly-true-story-laurel-canyon-birth-hippie-generation-dave-mcgo

And a few comments on MK-Ultra.

What worked “then” does not necessarily work “now” because the human psyche has evolved. Just like the human body learns to fight off new diseases, so does the human psyche begin to repel attacks to the emotional/mind fields.

Some of the most amazing people I know also happen to have emerged from various forms of MK-Ultra style programming to become some of the most incredible beings I have ever known. Many didn’t make out alive and many bought into the paradigms sold to them but also many did grow beyond the mind prison. In some cases, the beings found themselves grateful for their experiences because they achieved a freedom they might never know otherwise and this always massively and positively transforms their entire ongoing experience and their actions, words and thoughts truly positively transform our world.

Do note “suicide programming” was put in place because it had been discovered that many MK-Ultra experiencers not only eventually broke out of their programming but were able to achieve states of being which emulate fearlessness whereby they end up becoming powerful forces against the goals of those who employed these processes.

How many of us would find ourselves interviewed such that more than 50 years later the text lives on and is appreciated by true seekers of freedom?

Sammy
8th December 2014, 15:43
Excellent post justone!

'Freedom' is like all things in this world, a relative idea...elusive and always chased after like a carrot on a string.

(The chase can be fun though......'if I could just'....) (;

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-61rXzJLLh2w/T843Di24pSI/AAAAAAAADLc/C_bauq1PZJg/s1600/Donkey,+Carrot.png

The greatest thing about freedom is knowing one is free regardless of the situation.

I used to chase freedom, then I surrendered and then... I shed 'something' and only after all this did I discover myself to be free. Not intellectually though that also emerged... but actually.

Those who know me will would confirm this to be true. Stark, raving free.

giovonni
8th December 2014, 16:03
Please note today's Jim's Birthday ... :)

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRmJFtiDaxF5pONshZam6wZ2etN_8nqe LvHFvHPv8tDYTXwOx68yw

Walter
8th December 2014, 16:10
Thank you so very much for this. I think I might of read this in, "No One Gets Out of Here Alive" a long time ago, or maybe it was another one of his books. Jim Morrison had some great thoughts, ideas, philosophies, and great moments in his life. It was too bad that he died before his time at 27 years of age. I'm sure he had more to give.

joeecho
8th December 2014, 18:21
Leaving the prisoner indefinitely in the cage is inconsequential to freedom.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD0ovANHdqQ

(Thought I'd put a spin to the conversation)

Sammy
8th December 2014, 18:38
Leaving the prisoner indefinitely in the cage is inconsequential to freedom.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD0ovANHdqQ

(Thought I'd put a spin to the conversation)

Good metaphor...

When finds oneself in rage, get out of the cage and become of age said the sage.

joeecho
8th December 2014, 18:40
Not really specific to this thread but I find it engaging that there are 'prophets' and 'saviours' that communicate to the masses better then those organized religion has ordained.

To be fair, though, they have had centuries to dilute the message of the 'older' prophets and saviours to suit their agendas.

joeecho
8th December 2014, 18:44
When finds oneself in rage, get out of the cage and become of age said the sage.

That is a catchy phrase put in the maze.

http://blogs.whfreeman.com/smartphysics/files/2013/08/Maze.jpg

jake gittes
8th December 2014, 19:13
Please note today's Jim's Birthday ... :)

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRmJFtiDaxF5pONshZam6wZ2etN_8nqe LvHFvHPv8tDYTXwOx68yw

And John Lennon's death day. Both killed by the USG (along with Jimi, Janis, etc) for being too influential.

Carmody
9th December 2014, 02:24
As for Laurel canyon and what went down, deeper meanings, hidden things, imagined things ...and so on:

The bad guys and the good guys must meet in the fields and 'do battle' somewhere..... and part of that battle exists across time.

it is no small wonder that if one part of the group was publicly in one spot.... that the other would meet them in that field.

It is merely the nature of the universe, differential must be balanced, as it is ---in everything.

giovonni
9th December 2014, 05:30
You know back when i was a young lad in catholic boarding school in the 1960's ...
Jim and Co. often would suffice me and my classmates more than the good Word sometimes ... :rolleyes:

The Doors - The Soft Parade


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_1DhUABr2U

Dorjezigzag
9th December 2014, 06:20
Agreed, beyond the music, Jim Morrison s writing and poetry is well worth exploring, I often return.

The voyeur, the peeper, the Peeping Tom, is a dark comedian.
He is repulsive in his dark anonymity, in his secret invasion. He
is pitifully alone. But, strangely, he is able through this same
silence and concealment to make unknowing partner of anyone
within his eye’s range. This is his threat and power
-Morrison, 1969

Some activities are impossible in the open. And these secret
events are the voyeur’s game. He seeks them out with his
myriad army of eyes – like the child’s notion of a Deity who
sees all. “Everything?” asks the child. “Yes, every-thing,” they
answer, and the child is left to cope with this divine intrusion.
The voyeur is masturbator, the mirror his badge, the window his
prey
-Morrison, 1969

There are no longer “dancers,” the possessed. The cleavage of
men into actors and spectators is the central fact of our
time….We are content with the “given” in sensation’s quest.
We have been metamorphosed from a mad body dancing on
hillsides to a pair of eyes staring in the dark
Morrison, 1969

Morrison’s perception of American society and its negative effect upon culture and people, is one of the main concepts behind The Lords. He defines it as:

"the feeling of powerlessness and helplessness that people have in the face of reality. They have no real control over events or their own lives. Something is controlling them. The closest they ever get is the television set. In creating this idea of the lords, it also came to reverse itself. Now to me, the lords mean something entirely different. I couldn’t really explain. It’s like the opposite. Somehow the lords are a romantic race of people who have found a way to control their environment and their own lives. They’re somehow different from other people."

The Lords. Events take place beyond our knowledge
or control. Our lives are lived for us. We can only
try to enslave others. But gradually, special
perceptions are being developed. The idea of the
“Lords” is beginning to form in some minds. We
should enlist them into bands of perceivers to
tour the labyrinth during their mysterious nocturnal
appearances.

The Lords have secret entrances,and they know disguises.
But they give themselves away in minor ways. Too much
glint of light in the eye. A wrong gesture. Too long and
curious aglance.

The Lords appease us with images. They give us
books, concerts, galleries, shows, cinemas.
Especially the cinemas. Through art they confuse
us and blind us to our enslavement. Art adorns
our prison walls, keeps us silent and diverted
and indifferent.
Door of passage to the other side,
the soul frees itself in stride.

Sammy
9th December 2014, 15:59
Not really specific to this thread but I find it engaging that there are 'prophets' and 'saviours' that communicate to the masses better then those organized religion has ordained.

To be fair, though, they have had centuries to dilute the message of the 'older' prophets and saviours to suit their agendas.

as well as have had centuries to realize few get it and so they stop talking and no one knows they exist and so...