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NewFounderHome
10th December 2014, 17:27
No suprise there !

Researchers at the University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada have cured cancer, but there has been little ripple in the news or on TV.

This is a simple technique using very basic drug.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1535610806003722

Sorry the following link is in french!

http://stopmensonges.com/les-scientifiques-guerissent-le-cancer-mais-personne-ny-prete-attention/



:clap2:

ljwheat
10th December 2014, 18:09
This is fantastic news, and there are thousands of known cures. There is one great cure yet to happen though. And that is in the definition of the Word Cancer, it’s a label like the word Chevy or Ford, you can fix any car but you cant fix the label Chevy or Ford.

Since there are thousands of fungi, on this planet and in our body's, doctor’s and the scientific community have labeled them all in one bottle Called Cancer. That’s why they take a sample and send it off to a lab to find out exactly witch fungi it is there dealing with. And some fungi have different strengths or weaknesses.

This is why the FDA can and has said you cant cure cancer, and they are right, legally and physically there is no cure for the label Cancer,, its a loop hole they use to keep the general public dumb ed down and raise so much money in the name of a label.

If you want to see the doctor’s eye brow’s go up and jaw drop, just ask what fungi you or someone else has when the label Cancer rear’s its ugly head.

Ignorance is the killer not the fungi, find the right mechanic and any car can be fixed, its name is the problem not the fix. :cool:

conk
10th December 2014, 18:16
This is fantastic news, and there are thousands of known cures. There is one great cure yet to happen though. And that is in the definition of the Word Cancer, it’s a label like the word Chevy or Ford, you can fix any car but you cant fix the label Chevy or Ford.

Since there are thousands of fungi, on this planet and in our body's, doctor’s and the scientific community have labeled them all in one bottle Called Cancer. That’s why they take a sample and send it off to a lab to find out exactly witch fungi it is there dealing with. And some fungi have different strengths or weaknesses.

This is why the FDA can and has said you cant cure cancer, and they are right, legally and physically there is no cure for the label Cancer,, its a loop hole they use to keep the general public dumb ed down and raise so much money in the name of a label.

If you want to see the doctor’s eye brow’s go up and jaw drop, just ask what fungi you or someone else has when the label Cancer rear’s its ugly head.

Ignorance is the killer not the fungi, find the right mechanic and any car can be fixed, its name is the problem not the fix. :cool:

No, there is no cancer, as there is no disease. Dis-ease is simply malnutrition, ingestion of a toxin(s) (could be any of a LONG list of stuff, including some 'foods'), or emotional discord. For The Medical Mafia 'disease' is a list of symptoms for which there is an insurance billing code.

Bob
10th December 2014, 18:59
Using DiChloroAcetate has been discussed that it will NOT CURE many cancers.

It has been used experimentally for certain conditions.. IT IS NOT A DRUG, it is a chemical.

This has been paid attention to, and there have been studies performed by the University. Clinical testing as well.

Explaining mitochondrial activity would be more accurate in explaining DCA's actions.

SOURCE website:
http://www.cancer.ca/en/about-us/news/national/2013/canadian-cancer-societys-perspective-on-dca/?region=on


Dichloroacetate (DCA) is sometimes mentioned in media and other sources as a potential cure for cancer. While early studies of DCA have shown some interesting results, it has yet to be proven as a safe and effective cancer treatment in humans.

Our perspective

The Canadian Cancer Society has concerns about Canadians with cancer seeking DCA because we don’t know enough about its risks and benefits.

In the absence of adequate and extensive clinical evidence, the Society does not advise cancer patients to use DCA, unless they are part of a clinical trial. DCA is not an approved cancer treatment in Canada or anywhere else in the world.

Among the key issues that need to be determined through clinical trials are:

Is DCA effective in shrinking tumours?

Can DCA be used safely in cancer patients at doses needed for effectiveness?

Are there critical doses or methods of administration to achieve optimum anti-cancer effects?

Background

In early 2007, University of Alberta researchers published results of a study about DCA stating that the agent showed promise in shrinking tumours in laboratory rats and human cell lines (human cells grown in a petri dish).

Subsequent studies have looked at DCA in different settings, including a 2009 Society-funded study showing that DCA is not effective at killing colon cancer cells in mice and, in some instances, caused tumours to grow.

In early 2010, results were published from the first clinical trial for DCA looking at its effects on a specific type of human brain tumour in a very small number of patients.

While the results were hopeful, clinical trials for DCA as a cancer treatment are still in the early phases (phase 1 and 2 trials).

Olaf
10th December 2014, 19:11
The paper deals with the application of sodium dichloroacetate (DCA).
There are several studies that show a significant result of DCA against various kinds of cancer.

How DCA works
In cancer cells the function of mitochondria is blocked. Several scientists assume that cells go into an emergency program when there are too many free radicals in the cells that may kill the cell. Those radicals are the byproduct of ATP production in the mitochondria. Normally there are some substances (radicale catchers) that detox radicals, such as glutathione. But in the case of an increased radicale production the reserves are exhausted.
Thus, the remaining strategy for the cell is to completely disable the mitochondria.
This is done by means of an enzyme. This enzyme is blocking that enzyme that supplies carbohydrates into the mitochondria (pyruvate dehydrogenase, PDH). The blocking enzyme is called pyruvate dehydrogenase kinase.

DCA can resolve this deadlock by blocking PDH-kinase. Then the mitochondria goes into function again and in the cancer cells become able to disassemble (apoptosis).

For several years, some doctors have their first experience with DCA. I know of reports of tumors that do not continue to grow after 3 weeks of use of DCA. Metastases have completely disappeared.

Prolonged use of DCA can cause discomfort and numbness of the feet. Then intake should be stopped. The symptoms then disappear.

Non-healing cancer is a huge business for the pharmaceutical industry. Any effective cancer treatment must be suppressed. Therefore, the use of DCA has become very difficult in some countries. Just google for DCA. They try to ban it.

-=< update >=-

Dr. Kuklinski, one of the leading specialists for mitochondrial diseases in Germany presented some DCA cases in his 2014 summer training. He is so impressed from the results that he claimes:

The most important measures in cancer with metastases are:

Carbohydrate-free diet
DCA
Q10 (if affordable)
Vitamin C infusions (if affordable)
laboratory measurements (only if affordable): vitamins, alpha lipoic acid, nitro stress (citrulline, methylmalonic acid, peroxynitrite metabolites)


Some people report that they clearly can feel the effect of DCA on mitochondria. Approximately 3 ... 5 minutes after taking DCA they feel a strong feeling of warmth throughout their body, which is an expression for an increased production of ATP in the mitochondria. (Reports in the forum symptome.ch (http://www.symptome.ch/vbboard/))

Bob
10th December 2014, 19:16
SOME CELLS respond when the energy source is cut off, many do not. PUBLISH the FULL DATA..


http://www.uoguelph.ca/news/2010/11/_researcher_fin.html

A University of Guelph study has found that a prescription drug thought to have anti-cancer properties when used off-label may not only be less effective than claimed but may actually protect some kinds of cancers.

"Sodium dichloroacetate is not very effective at killing some kinds of cancer cells and, in fact, it has the opposite effect and could even make things worse,” said Brenda Coomber, a professor in the Department of Biomedical Sciences in Guelph’s Ontario Veterinary College.

This research was published recently in the journal Cancer Letters.

Developed three decades ago to treat a rare serious metabolic disorder in children, sodium dichloroacetate (DCA) has been touted as a safe, inexpensive anti-cancer drug.

In patients with this metabolic disorder, DCA “resets” malfunctioning mitochondria to restore the body’s normal energy pathway. Mitochondria are cellular “power plants” that convert glucose into energy. Normally, they also generate oxygen radicals used in further metabolism but that are also toxic to cells.

Mitochondria also help trigger cell death, a normal part of tissue growth and health.

Scientists believe that, when oxygen is present, DCA forces cancer cells to use the mitochondrial pathway, producing oxygen radicals that kill the cancer cells while leaving normal cells unharmed. Studies of brain tumours have found that DCA selectively kills cancer cells without damaging normal tissue.

But that’s not what Coomber found with colorectal cancer. Along with her team — research associate Siranoush Shahrzad, graduate students Kristen Lacombe and Una Adamic, and technician Kanwal Minhas — she looked at ischemic regions of tumours, or areas with low oxygen and nutrients due to abnormal blood flow.

They had expected that, under fluctuating oxygen levels, DCA treatment would force cancer cells to use the mitochondrial pathway, generate oxygen radicals and die.

In normal culture, DCA killed some human colon cancer cells. But under low oxygen, the same cancer cells were more likely to survive. In mice with human colon cancer cells grown as tumours, DCA provided no therapeutic benefit; in fact, some treated tumours grew better than untreated ones. Fewer cells in ischemic regions died in DCA-treated tumours than in untreated ones.

“The bottom line is that cancer is not a single disease, so it’s unrealistic to expect a single drug to be a ‘magic bullet’ that’s effective against every type of cancer,” Coomber said, adding that many factors influence how cancer cells develop and behave.

“We are only beginning to tease these things out. DCA may well turn out to be an effective treatment in some cases, but it’s not necessarily safe in all cases.

There are people out there buying this drug off the Internet and self-medicating — who knows what’s going on in their tumour?

They might actually be making it worse.”

Her team now plans to study the pathways DCA uses to protect some cancer cells.





The paper deals with the application of sodium dichloracetate (DCA).
There are several studies that show a significant result of DCA against various kinds of cancer.

How DCA works
In cancer cells the function of mitochondria is blocked. Several scientists assume that cells go into an emergency program when there are too many free radicals in the cells that may kill the cell. Those radicals are the byproduct of ATP production in the mitochondria. Normally there are some substances (radicale catchers) that detox radicals, such as glutathione. But in the case of an increased radicale production the reserves are exhausted.
Thus, the remaining strategy for the cell is to completely disable the mitochondria.
This is done by means of an enzyme. This enzyme is blocking that enzyme that supplies carbohydrates into the mitochondria (pyruvate dehydrogenase, PDH). The blocking enzyme is called pyruvate dehydrogenase kinase.

DCA can resolve this deadlock by blocking PDH-kinase. Then the mitochondria goes into function again and in the cancer cells become able to disassemble (apoptosis).

For several years, some doctors have their first experience with DCA. I know of reports of tumors that do not continue to grow after 3 weeks of use of DCA. Metastases have completely disappeared.

Prolonged use of DCA can cause discomfort and numbness of the feet. Then intake should be stopped. The symptoms then disappear.

Non-healing cancer is a huge business for the pharmaceutical industry. Any effective cancer treatment must be suppressed. Therefore, the use of DCA has become very difficult in some countries. Just google for DCA. They try to ban it.

Update:

DCA hype and spin, not publishing FULL data, only select, then "stretching" data for ??

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/why-every-claim-of-an-exciting-new-cancer-cure-needs-close-examination/article14857445/



The Internet loves a good conspiracy.

Have you heard the one about scientists finding a cure for cancer, but it being blocked from the public because Big Pharma can’t make a cent off it?

Those sensational accusations appear on multiple websites and YouTube videos that purport to expose the “truth” about how a cheap and safe drug that has been around for decades is actually an expert cancer-cell killer.

They claim that because the drug, called dichloroacetic acid or dichloroacetate (DCA), is a widely available chemical compound and can’t be patented, drug companies aren’t interested in pursuing it as a cancer treatment.

Some conspiracy theorists take it a step further, saying that health organizations and cancer charities are in on the plot to keep this miracle drug out of sight because they have ties to drug firms and want to keep money flowing their way.

Canada's hereditary-cancer clinics feel the ‘Angelina effect’

The idea that DCA may be used to eradicate cancer cells originated in respected medical journals, not the bowels of the Internet. Subsequent media attention painted a glowing picture of DCA as a cancer treatment, which led to a frenzy among patients and family members desperately hoping for a cure.

The true picture, however, is far less clear.

A “miracle drug”?

In January, 2007, a study by University of Alberta researchers published in the journal Cancer Cell said DCA successfully shrank lung, breast and brain tumours. The paper attracted worldwide attention and in the days that followed, media outlets described the finding as “a potentially life-saving treatment” that “astounded” researchers.

Lead researcher Dr. Evangelos Michelakis, Canada Research Chair in molecular and mitochondrial medicine, told The Canadian Press in 2007 that “One of the really exciting things about this compound is that it might be able to treat many different forms of cancer.”

Michelakis did not respond to a request for an interview for this story.

This was their theory: DCA, a compound used to treat rare metabolic diseases, can stop cancer growth by altering the metabolism of the disease. The drug “tricks cancer cells into normal energy production” and causes them to “‘commit suicide’ without harming healthy cells,” according to a 2010 University of Alberta press release.

Many media outlets also reported that no clinical trials would be done to test the drug in humans because pharmaceutical companies couldn’t make money off it. Before long, cancer patients in Canada began self-medicating with DCA they purchased over the Internet.

In 2010, more good news came: Michelakis and his colleagues tested DCA in five brain-tumour patients and found favourable results. The drug appeared to slow tumour growth.

Media reports, including in this newspaper, asked whether DCA was a “miracle drug.” Is it any wonder that so many patients bought into the hype?

Too good to be true

One important fact that has been missing from the discussion about DCA is there’s no clear evidence the drug stops cancer growth in humans. The 2007 research paper showed DCA slowed cancer growth in mice and human cells grown in a petri dish.

While that may sound promising, the leap from treating mice to humans spans an enormous chasm. Many promising treatments and drugs tested in animals have ultimately failed once applied to humans. The same goes for cells in a petri dish.

That’s why many advocates for improved health journalism warn against reporting studies conducted in mice and other animals. The results may be promising, but they are simply too preliminary to be of much significance to the average person.

What about the 2010 study on brain-tumour patients? While the study showed favourable results, a 2011 newsletter from the B.C. Cancer Agency noted that patients had also received chemotherapy and radiation. There’s no telling what helped them: DCA or traditional medicine. The patients in the study also had similar survival rates to those who only received chemo and radiation.

Meanwhile, other researchers have reported troubling news. A team from the University of Guelph studying DCA in mice found the drug actually seemed to speed the growth of some colon-cancer tumours.

“Cancer is a complicated disease,” said Dr. Brenda Coomber, professor in biomedical sciences at the University of Guelph who led the study. “Other labs besides mine have seen that, depending on the kind of cancer, DCA may or may not have a cell-killing effect.”

Coomber points out that cancer is many diseases. Colon, breast and other types of cancer come in many forms and manifest themselves differently. It doesn’t mean DCA won’t work for anyone, but figuring the who, where, when and what is staggeringly complex.

And DCA isn’t completely harmless. It has been shown to cause serious nerve and even brain damage at certain doses.

Dr. Robert Nuttall, acting director of cancer control policy at the Canadian Cancer Society, said the organization has funded trials looking at DCA and that other researchers around the world are studying the compound. But patients need to know it’s not the miracle drug it was once made out to be.

“There’s a lot of other compounds out there that show a similar level of promise to this,” he said. “It’s not necessarily the most promising thing out there.”

Clinging to hope

The language of medical discoveries is a tricky business. Every week, dozens of press releases cross the news wires, alerting editors and readers to a new “breakthrough” or “landmark discovery” that may forever change the way a disease is treated.

What is often missing from those announcements is that those discoveries may just as likely change nothing. True breakthroughs are rare and the development of important new treatments takes years – decades, even – of rigorous research and study.

Overzealous reporting of preliminary findings may generate positive publicity for researchers and institutions, but it does patients no favours.

“There’s obviously a level of desperation,” Coomber said. “I think people will believe what they wish to believe and there is a lot of wishful believing.”

avid
10th December 2014, 21:14
Bob - yes, we all cling to cures. Some proven, some unfortunately not.
All this heavy-duty 'research' into cancer, when it has been proven that the local, prolific and natural remedies stop any cancers - in all probability, cancers weren't known until 'Big Pharma' began to control the health of the populace. The best of plants, growing freely in the Americas, is the naturally prolific Marijuana/Cannabis, and the extracted/processed renowned oil which destroys the 'cell destroyer' (cancer) very quickly. This historically sound substance has been 'banned', as the huge big Pharma 'cancer industry' will be out of their 'genocidal' jobs if the cure is open and above board.
The leaks on the internet are pouring out - the Big Pharma just can't condone their negativity for much longer. Even the major 'research charities', who are ripping all of the bereaved families off for many many years, have now to come to terms with the facts - we will NOT be duped any more! They are still trying to trash natural cures on Cancer Research UK, in a patronising way - as if we can't argue with them!!! Who gets all the money - multi-millions from desperate families, who have gone through cancer-induced hell, and yet want to raise funds to promulgate this illness?!!!
Time for truths - and real cures being allowed at last. DOWN with sick-ribbon charities, and demand the funds are put to decent use - the solutions they are deliberately trashing for PROFIT. We need accountability for all the many millions desperate folk have invested, and the TRUTH, that we know there are cures THEY have had banned!

earthadvocate
10th December 2014, 21:40
http://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/1036/20141026/harvard-researchers-discover-possible-cure-for-cancer.htm

Bob
10th December 2014, 22:38
Bob - yes, we all cling to cures. Some proven, some unfortunately not.

All this heavy-duty 'research' into cancer, when it has been proven that the local, prolific and natural remedies stop any cancers - in all probability, cancers weren't known until 'Big Pharma' began to control the health of the populace.

The best of plants, growing freely in the Americas, is the naturally prolific Marijuana/Cannabis, and the extracted/processed renowned oil which destroys the 'cell destroyer' (cancer) very quickly.

This historically sound substance has been 'banned', as the huge big Pharma 'cancer industry' will be out of their 'genocidal' jobs if the cure is open and above board.

The leaks on the internet are pouring out - the Big Pharma just can't condone their negativity for much longer. Even the major 'research charities', who are ripping all of the bereaved families off for many many years, have now to come to terms with the facts - we will NOT be duped any more!

They are still trying to trash natural cures on Cancer Research UK, in a patronising way - as if we can't argue with them!!! Who gets all the money - multi-millions from desperate families, who have gone through cancer-induced hell, and yet want to raise funds to promulgate this illness?!!!

Time for truths - and real cures being allowed at last. DOWN with sick-ribbon charities, and demand the funds are put to decent use - the solutions they are deliberately trashing for PROFIT.

We need accountability for all the many millions desperate folk have invested, and the TRUTH, that we know there are cures THEY have had banned!

Hi Avid - DCA is not cannibis oil. It is not natural. It is a chemical as are the other substances: methylmalonic acid, peroxynitrite mentioned in a post above.

Each 'doctor' chooses their own poison or chemical to use based on some logic. Some learned folks have said arsenic and mercury are PERFECT for affecting cures, giving people heavy metal poisoning and destroyed nervous systems. It took some sensible people to look at the harm being created and a database created to find what works and why is safe WHEN and why. But who says people will listen to anybody skilled? If the sensationalism is there, historically don't you think people will gravitate to water-cooler gossip or sensationalism?

Make it sound "natural" and the trend is woah, gotta try it.. Tell someone that acetic anhydride in certain conditions will stop all forms of free-radical damage and people will go huh?

The jury is OUT on DCA. There is data saying in some cases it is NOT a cure, it can INCREASE cancers, and it is by no means being forgotten - and people ARE paying attention.

ref:

Peroxynitrite (sometimes called peroxonitrite) is an anion with the formula ONOO−. It is an unstable structural isomer of nitrate, NO3−. Although its conjugate acid is highly reactive, peroxynitrite is stable in basic solutions.[1][2] It is prepared by the reaction of hydrogen peroxide with nitrite:
H2O2 + NO2− → ONOO− + H2O
Peroxynitrite is an oxidant and nitrating agent. Because of its oxidizing properties, peroxynitrite can damage a wide array of molecules in cells, including DNA and proteins.

methylmalonic acid
An elevated MMA is a very sensitive and specific marker of B12 deficiency. There is evidence that up to 10% of individuals who have normal or low normal B12 values (between 150 and 400 pg/mL) may develop neuropsychiatric sequelae of B12 deficiency without any evidence of megaloblastic anemia. The MMA test can identify this population of functionally B12-deficient individuals. In these patients, oral cyanocobalamin 1-2 mg/day will normalize the MMA and hopefully improve their symptoms. MMA levels can be falsely elevated in renal insufficiency and hypovolemia, in which case levels do not correct with vitamin B12 repletion.

When the body cannot metabolize protein, severe metabolic disturbances like those seen in Methylmalonic acidemia (MMA) can result.

MMA is a group of inherited genetic disorders that result in the build up of methylmalonic acid in the bloodstream.

This build up can lead to severe metabolic ketoacidosis, which can be fatal for the affected patient.

The main cause of this disorder is a defect in the conversion of methylmalonyl CoA to succinyl CoA, caused by mutations in the methylmalonyl CoA mutase enzyme or impaired metabolism of vitamin B12. This disorder affects about 1 in 25,000 to 48,000 people. This rate may be higher because some neonatal deaths may be attributed to undiagnosed metabolic disorders.

Methylmalonic acidemia (pronounced meth-il-ma-lon-ic a-cid-em-ia) or MMA is a disorder of amino acid and odd-chain fatty acid metabolism. (Odd chain fatty acids are ones with an uneven number of carbons and produce some propionyl CoA , a precursor of MMA when they are used in the body. They are found in butter, chicken fat, cream, some fish oils, lard, and olive oil.)

Proteins, which are made up of amino acids, are found in all parts of the human body such as blood, skin and muscles. Most foods contain protein. When we eat foods containing protein, this protein is split into amino acids during digestion. The amino acids are later put back together like beads on a necklace to form new protein. These new proteins are used to build and repair the body's tissues. (1)

Twenty amino acids occur commonly in the human body and in the foods we eat. Four of these amino acids are isoleucine (i-so-lu-seen), methionine (me-thi-o-neen), threonine (three-o-neen) and valine (vay-leen). Children with MMA can't use these amino acids and some fats in a normal way.

Letting one's body fill with Methylmalonic acid is NO SOLUTION. It as shown above is toxic. I would not trust ANYONE telling anyone to experiment and not knowing what is happening biochemically. One can drink Alcohol and FEEL something happening in minutes.. That doesn't mean is good for you.

(Ref-1) - : Taken from “ A Guide for the Family of the Child With Methylmalonic Acidemia” , The Ross Metabolic Formula System, Mitzi A. Bame, Abbot Laboratories, 2001. Booklet 33 pages.)


(from post 5 above the UPDATE section:

-=< update >=-

Dr. Kuklinski, one of the leading specialists for mitochondrial diseases in Germany presented some DCA cases in his 2014 summer training.

He is so impressed from the results that he claimes:

The most important measures in cancer with metastases are:
Carbohydrate-free diet
DCA
Q10 (if affordable)
Vitamin C infusions (if affordable)
laboratory measurements (only if affordable): vitamins, alpha lipoic acid, nitro stress (citrulline, methylmalonic acid, peroxynitrite metabolites)

WHERE is the peroxynitrite coming from? Where is the methylmalonic acid surplus coming from? From DCA? from the vitamin C? from some other factor?

Experimenting can be hazardous. If the University has a program still available for DCA clinicals, (the folks first publishing the DCA treatment experiment), obviously one can go ask them to consider oneself in a study.

Taking internet data as reliable without doing the research doesn't provide for any guarantees - if there is a clinical, take a look at the data, get the second and third opinion. Use common sense.

Bob
10th December 2014, 23:10
http://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/1036/20141026/harvard-researchers-discover-possible-cure-for-cancer.htm

The stem cell article mentioned in the supplied link brings up what we are talking about in another thread, that there is something NATURAL (built-into) the body's DNA which can do a whole bunch of repairs.

What is missing is what has to be turned OFF, what has to be turned ON and in what sequence.

Viruses which are believed to be very responsible for creating massive DNA damage (and cancers as a result of that damage), preventing normal apoptosis (cell death), need to be handled.. So stem cells cannot by themselves deal with viruses, nor the cancers evoked by viruses.

WhiteFeather
11th December 2014, 00:27
Heck an Ojibwe Medicine Man Gave A Common Nurse The Cure in 1922. And Its called Essiac, and she cured many many people of cancer. And Still nobody listens after almost 100 hundred years since passed, thats right almost a hundred years ago.

A very good read here my Avalonian "Kolas" (Friends In American Indian Tongue).

I Was Canada's Cancer Nurse - The story of ESSIAC

Rene M Caisse R.N. 1888-1978

In the mid-twenties I was head nurse at the Sisters of Providence Hospital in a Northern Ontario town.

One day one of my nurses was bathing an elderly lady patient. I noticed that one breast was a mass of scar tissue, and asked about it. ‘' I came out from England nearly 30 years ago'‘ she told me. ‘'I joined my husband who was prospecting in the wilds of Northern Ontario. My right breast became sore and swollen, and very painful. My husband brought me to Toronto, and the doctors told me I had advanced cancer and my breast must be removed at once.

‘' Before we left camp a very old Indian medicine man had told me I had cancer, but he could cure it. I decided I'd just as soon try his remedy as to have my breast removed. One of my friends had died from breast surgery. Besides, we had no money.'‘

She and her husband returned to the mining camp, and the old Indian showed her certain herbs growing in the area, told her to make a tea from these herbs and to drink it every day.

She was nearly 80 years old when I saw her and there had been no recurrence of cancer.

I was much interested and wrote down the names of the herbs she had used. I knew that doctors threw up their hands when cancer was discovered in a patient: it was just the same as a death sentence, just about. I decided that if I should ever develop cancer, I would use this herb tea.

About a year later I was visiting an aged retired doctor whom I knew well. We were walking slowly about his garden when he took his cane and lifted a weed.

‘' Nurse Caisse,'‘ he told me, ‘'If people would use this weed there would be very little cancer in the world.'‘

He told me the name of the plant. It was one of the herbs my patient named as an ingredient of the Indian Medicine Man's tea!

A few months later I received word that my mother's only sister had been operated on in Brockville, Ontario. The doctors had found she had cancer of the stomach with a liver involvement, and gave her at the most six months to live.

I hastened to her and talked to her doctor. He was Dr. R.O. Fisher of Toronto, whom I knew well because I had nursed patients for him many times. I told him about my herb tea and asked his permission to try it under his observation, since there was apparently nothing more medical science could do for my aunt.

He consented quickly. I obtained the necessary herbs, with some difficulty, and made the tea.

My aunt lived for 21 years after being given up by the medical profession. There was no recurrence of cancer.

More here:
http://www.theoriginalessiac.com/renecaissestory.htm

Got Essiac!

Bob
11th December 2014, 00:37
TrumanCash has a good post I think in a thread on ESSIAC (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?77055-Question-about-Essiac&p=902461&viewfull=1#post902461) and the different types of duplications (and attempts) to make it. I had a chance to analyze an actual "authentic sample" back in the 90's. Amazing product indeed.

also see post: (here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?77055-Question-about-Essiac&p=902548&viewfull=1#post902548))

Olaf
11th December 2014, 08:41
WHERE is the peroxynitrite coming from? Where is the methylmalonic acid surplus coming from? From DCA? from the vitamin C? from some other factor?


Oh, no that is completely wrong. These tests are performed to find nitrosative stress which must be removed to get the mitochondria working. Without working mitochondria there is no apoptosis of cancer cells.

Methylmalonic acid has been shown in some medical studies to be the most significant marker for a vitamine B12 deficiency.
Normally, the body tries to completely degrade the metabolite methylmalonic acid. To do this B12 is needed. When B12 is not enough available, methylmalonic acid increases. The concentration of MMA is measured in the urine (based on the concentration of the urine, measured as creatinine).

Values:
0.7 µg/g Crea - healthy people
>1.5....2,5 µg/g - vitamin B12 deficiency

I have two patients with unstable neck joint. Their brain produces so much nitrosative stress (NO) that all of B12 in their body is consumed immediately. (NO immediately reacts with vitamin B12, which are both consumed by this process. This is used to neutralize NO by taking high dosises auf vitamin B12). Both patients have exorbitantly high readings for methylmalonic acid, >5 µg/g.

Here is one of the studies, that shows, that B12 in serum does not show a vitmain b12 deficiency, but methylmalonacid does:
Tangney et al: "Vitamin B12, cognition, and brain MRI measures" (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3179651/), Neurology September 27, 2011 vol. 77 no. 13 1276-1282

Peroxynitrite
Peroxynitrite is the most poisenous substance that can arise in the body. It comes from a chemical reaction of nitrosative stress (NO) with oxygen radicals.
Peroxynitrite is much more toxic than NO, because it has a much longer half-life.

Typical damages caused by peroxynitrite are:

Deactivation of pyruvate dehydrogenase. As result, the cells can not process sugar (pyruvate), blood sugar rises (this is the common cause of type II diabetes and metabolic syndrome)
Deactivation of many other enzymes with consequent damage in many organs: liver, thyroid, pancreas, uterus
Reaction with vitamins, leading to vitamin deficiency
Reaction with metals, leading to shortage of electrolytes (K, Mg, zinc, ferrum)
Kryptopyrroluria
Denaturation of proteins, for example, Hashimoto's thyroiditis, autoimmune diseases


Most people have absolutely no peroxynitrite in their body (measured value: 0, zero). However, I have found elevated levels, especially for sick people who exercise sports (marathon, mountain climbing, biking). Sports creates a great metabolism in the mitochondria, with a large output of free radicals. If NO is present at the same time, peroxynitrite is produced.

Much of the damages by NO are reversible. For example, the inhibition of enzymes may disappear when breathing plenty of fresh air. However, the damage caused by peroxynitrite are not reversible. The enzymes are permanently disabled.

Peroxynitrite is indirectly evidenced by its reaction products (eg nitrophenyl acetic acid in the urine, nitrotyrosine).

Although peroxynitrite also acts tumor-toxic, however, is the goal of a healthy organism, to bring it to zero.

DCA
Dr. Kuklinski has growing experiences with DCA in cancer since 2013. During this time he has seen improvements in cancer by DCA, which could not be achieved with other measures without DCA.
The application of DCA is embedded in further measures to restore the function of the mitochondria. This includes reducing all deficits in mitochondrial substances.

These deficiencies are very common and can be detected with measurements.


Most important deficiencies that cause mitochondrial dysfunction:
- Vitamin B1, B2, B3, B5, B6, B12, biotin, folic acid
- K, Mg, zincum, ferrum
- alpha-lipoic acid, vitamin D, vitamin C + E
- omega-3 fatty acids
- some helper substances (rare)


The "Institut für Molekularbiochemie" in Düsseldorf, Germany performs measurements on real cancer cells of people to learn, which substances have the most significant effect in destroying these cells in vitro.
Prof Bojar Düsseldorf, www.prof-bojar.de (http://www.prof-bojar.de/)

This test is very expensive. Separation of cells = 450 Euro + testing of substances = 650 Euro. Nevertheless some people have performed this test.
Here is one result, showing the reduction of cancer cells with various substances.
Typically DCA shows to be very effective.


Substance Inhibition
Vitamin C high dosis
+ AlphaLiponat 68 % ███████▒▒▒
Taurolidin 67 % ███████▒▒▒
DCA 62 % ██████▒▒▒▒
Artesunat 58 % ██████▒▒▒▒
Doxorubicin 57 % ██████▒▒▒▒
Mitomycin 53 % █████▒▒▒▒▒
Cisplatin 43 % ████▒▒▒▒▒▒
Silibinin 20 % ██▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒

Two cases with DCA from Dr. Kuklinski as reported in summer 2014:

Case 1: Patient with glioblastoma, 2. recurrence after irradiation.
After DCA regression of the tumor! The oncologist disbelief, "Something like this can not exist." Glioblastoma is considered to be incurable.

Therapy was: No Carb + ketogenic diet (proteins) + DCA.
The ketogenic diet is here necessary so that the brain can make sugar from ketone bodies. (The brain can only work with carbohydrates, but the cancer cells shall get no carbohydrates.)

Case 2: woman with metastatic mammary carcinoma
After onlay 8 days of treatment with DCA (!) she decides to go on vacation for 2 months to South Korea.

Then follow-up:
Breast values are negative,
2 metastases disappeared, one has become a smaller
Main tumor still present.

In her cancer cell test:
DCA 78% reduction
Vitamin C 65% reduction

Therapy: No Carbs food, DCA, Vit-C high dosis infusions

Bob
11th December 2014, 09:02
Better data there, thank you for that - but Dr. Kuklinski does not say the DCA removed the compounds - (WHERE is the peroxynitrite coming from? Where is the methylmalonic acid surplus coming from? where does it say DCA specifically repairs damage to the mechanisms producing peroxynitrite and methylmalonic acid surpluses?

From DCA? from the vitamin C? from some other factor?

It seems that to give DCA a bigger PLUS, one would have to show when it doesn't work WHY in what type of tumour, what went wrong.

Early data has said if there is no oxygen being used in the tumor it will continue to grow.. Which seems to me, that sulfur based bacteria facilitated tumours (couple with like herpes virus) is going to be impossible to deal with.

thank you for adding more data ! Much needed and appreciated :)

PS - with the graphic, specifically what type of tumour, where located? The graphic shows anti-cancer substances PLUS DCA compared. The data does not show any type of control data, nor conditions under which what? a tumour, a malignancy such as skin cancer? Broad systemic cancer such as hodgkin's lymphoma? All very critical to know what DCA does to those situations.. Again using a broad undefined stroke is inconclusive and not fully complete offering full data.

Very big difference as to WHERE and what type of blood supply - metastasis happening yet? hodgkin's lymphoma? Pancreatic Cancer (a nasty one) - treated or what exactly (diminished size is what DCA reports show) - the graph looks great but for WHAT type of tumour?

As was pointed out VERY CLEARLY colon cancer (a major killer) was INCREASED instead of DECREASED with DCA - i see that fact being glossed over as well as NOT talking about what type of tumor the Dr. was getting results with and what NOT getting results on..

The NOT is very important.. One would not want to accelerate a tumour growth using DCA. It has been emphasised by other researchers, there is no broad stroke effectiveness with DCA.. That is an issue which must NOT be ignored.

Seeing the TWO cases mentioned is encouraging, but it takes hundreds if not thousands under the varied conditions to provide accurate data. The University having discovered this in 2007 would be IMHO a good place to look at THEIR WORK as the discoverers.. And also see what they found why and when it DOESN'T work..

Daozen
11th December 2014, 09:26
www.cancertutor.com

Bob
11th December 2014, 09:35
www.cancertutor.com

I have heard of the Cesium Chloride Protocol specifically mentioned which was touted as a miracle 'cure'. It was used on a dear friend of mine with uterine cancer, she was treated with ALL the Beck protocols, and the products listed in that website and still died horribly and in much pain. I was not impressed loosing my dear friend. The doctor was a leading specialist in California using the recommended alternative techniques..

Olaf
11th December 2014, 10:25
WHERE is the peroxynitrite coming from?
Where is the methylmalonic acid surplus coming from?
Please see my other posts above and my other postings about nitrosative stress.

The main cause for all acquired mitochondrials dysfunctions is nitrosative stress and its effects.

The main causes for nitrosative stress are:

panic reaction of mitochondria because of poor supply with oxygen or nutrients through disruption of the blood supply - about 60% of cases are caused by an unstable neck joint
all kinds of inflammations with or without pathogens, especially inflammations in the gut which are often not noticed (allergies, dysbiosis, fungi, histamine, ...)
Effects of cell toxins (pesticides, heavy metals and other)


Because NO reacts with transition metals it affects a lot of enzymes and also reacts with vitamin B12. This leads to a B12 deficieny. I can be measured by an increased level of methylmalonic acid.

peroxynitrite - see post above. It is automaticly created when NO reacts with oxygene radicals.


Where does it say DCA specifically repairs damage to the mechanisms producing peroxynitrite and methylmalonic acid surpluses?


In current understanding DCA is blocking pyruvate dehydrogenase kinase, so that PDH is enabled to work which switches on mitochondria (see first post and your sources)


From DCA? from the vitamin C? from some other factor?

Vitamin C is another independent factor that kills some cancer cells.
Infact it is not vitamin C, but the toxic reaction product of vitamin C and radicals. So in this form it is not a healty vitamin that helps to cure cancer, it is a toxic substance.


PS - with the graphic, specifically what type of tumour, where located? The graphic shows anti-cancer substances PLUS DCA compared.

Sorry I have not the original presentation from Dr. Kuklinski. I only have my notes of what he has stated and an audio recording. So I do not know which kind of cancer cells were shown in the first image.

In the lab cancer cells are isolated and then cultivated in vitro in multiple copies.
Each of the copies is tested with another substance (in physiologic concentrations) and one has to be left without any influence. Than the reduction effect of each copy is compared with that one. That is the reduction (in %) that you see in the list. DCA has reduced about 62% of the cancer cells compared with the first cell culture.
A combination of two substances only has been applied to one copy (the first in the list which is vitamin C high dosis + alpha lipoic acid).


You see another result of the same procedure in case 2 from Dr. Kuklinski (mammary carcinoma).


Substance Inhibition of mammary carcinoma of 1 person
DCA 78% ████████▒▒
Vitamin C high dosis 65% ███████▒▒▒


The data does not show any type of control data, nor conditions under which what?
Compared with the same cell culture of the same cancer cells from the same person.


All very critical to know what DCA does to those situations..
Thats why it would be so important to perform that tests (until we have some statistical data).
But most patients cannot pay so much money.


As was pointed out VERY CLEARLY colon cancer (a major killer) was INCREASED instead of DECREASED with DCA
Thank you very much for giving that source.
But, on the other hand: I heard, that the main problems of colon cancer are metastases in the liver, and those may be get cured with DCA (I do not know).


Seeing the TWO cases mentioned is encouraging, but it takes hundreds if not thousands under the varied conditions to provide accurate data.
Of course, I totally agree with you.
So what to do? Not treating people with DCA until someone has more statistical data?
What would you do if you have a patient with a glioblastome who surely will die with conventional therapy?

I currently have such a case in my circle of relatives. He wants to be cured by expensive medical doctors only, but no one of them knows DCA. So I have to watch how he is dying. They say he will die in the next weeks.

Lifebringer
11th December 2014, 10:26
They want to use the measle cells to destroy the cancer cells. I read about it and on RT they discussed it.

Bob
11th December 2014, 16:51
They want to use the measle cells to destroy the cancer cells. I read about it and on RT they discussed it.

The logic behind that was to create a hyperactive immune system, megadoses of measle vaccine. Interesting concept.. Kinda reminds me of echinacea http://nccam.nih.gov/sites/nccam.nih.gov/files/styles/gallery_low-res/public/herbs/echinacea_foster.jpg


What the Science Says
Study results are mixed on whether echinacea can prevent or effectively treat upper respiratory tract infections such as the common cold. (dealing with viruses)

For example, two NCCAM-funded studies did not find a benefit from echinacea, either as Echinacea purpurea fresh-pressed juice for treating colds in children, or as an unrefined mixture of Echinacea angustifolia root and Echinacea purpurea root and herb in adults.

However, other studies have shown that echinacea may be beneficial in treating upper respiratory infections.

NCCAM is continuing to support the study of echinacea for the treatment of upper respiratory infections. NCCAM is also studying echinacea for its potential effects on the immune system.

Side Effects and Cautions
When taken by mouth, echinacea usually does not cause side effects. However, some people experience allergic reactions, including rashes, increased asthma, and anaphylaxis (a life-threatening allergic reaction). In clinical trials, gastrointestinal side effects were most common.

People are more likely to experience allergic reactions to echinacea if they are allergic to related plants in the daisy family, which includes ragweed, chrysanthemums, marigolds, and daisies. Also, people with asthma or atopy (a genetic tendency toward allergic reactions) may be more likely to have an allergic reaction when taking echinacea.

In other words, whomever is conducting the study, can have a BIAS or not.

Real science is going to do the proper controls, the large amount of data points, and then proceed over time to see results.. Then test to see did or did not the results match the hypothesis (educated guess).

Anecdotal data is interesting. People if given access are going to try, whether it is good for them or not.

Sniffing toluene (paint solvent), or sniffing gasoline, or aerosols may make a person feel that they are having a great reaction.. but are they? If the sniffer knew the liver damage, would they?

Experimenting around without ways to DO THE STUDIES, one is playing around.

A person in a rain forest watches a monkey munching on leaves, bark and sees the monkey survive, not writhe in pain.. The person tries it and finds they feel better.. Such is the birth of self medication.. Do we have time to experiment that way?

Many are trying to look what exists in the rainforest, the hidden secrets to health. It has been said, if one has a malady, look around immediately in one's environment and chances are, there is a group of plants specifically when combined properly, in the right ratio, prepared in the right manner will help one to deal with the issue at hand.

avid
11th December 2014, 17:10
Help! I'm not terribly scientific - being an artist with a 'lateral thought/illogical' brain cell!
This is what I meant initially....
http://www.cureyourowncancer.org/how-cannabis-oil-works.html


How Cannabis Oil Works to Kill Cancer Cells

Bio-chemist Dennis Hill
By: Dennis Hill

First let’s look at what keeps cancer cells alive, then we will come back and examine how the cannabinoids CBD (cannabidiol) and THC (tetrahydrocannabinol) unravels cancer’s aliveness.

In every cell there is a family of interconvertible sphingolipids that specifically manage the life and death of that cell. This profile of factors is called the “Sphingolipid Rheostat.” If endogenous ceramide(a signaling metabolite of sphingosine-1-phosphate) is high, then cell death (apoptosis) is imminent. If ceramide is low, the cell is strong in its vitality.

Very simply, when THC connects to the CB1 or CB2 cannabinoid receptor site on the cancer cell, it causes an increase in ceramide synthesis which drives cell death. A normal healthy cell does not produce ceramide in the presence of THC, thus is not affected by the cannabinoid.

The cancer cell dies, not because of cytotoxic chemicals, but because of a tiny little shift in the mitochondria. Within most cells there is a cell nucleus, numerous mitochondria (hundreds to thousands), and various other organelles in the cytoplasm. The purpose of the mitochondria is to produce energy (ATP) for cell use. As ceramide starts to accumulate, turning up the Sphingolipid Rheostat, it increases the mitochondrial membrane pore permeability to cytochrome c, a critical protein in energy synthesis. Cytochrome c is pushed out of the mitochondria, killing the source of energy for the cell.

Ceramide also causes genotoxic stress in the cancer cell nucleus generating a protein called p53, whose job it is to disrupt calcium metabolism in the mitochondria. If this weren’t enough, ceramide disrupts the cellular lysosome, the cell’s digestive system that provides nutrients for all cell functions. Ceramide, and other sphingolipids, actively inhibit pro-survival pathways in the cell leaving no possibility at all of cancer cell survival.

The key to this process is the accumulation of ceramide in the system. This means taking therapeutic amounts of CBD and THC, steadily, over a period of time, keeping metabolic pressure on this cancer cell death pathway.

How did this pathway come to be? Why is it that the body can take a simple plant enzyme and use it for profound healing in many different physiological systems? This endocannabinoid system exists in all animal life, just waiting for its matched exocannabinoid activator. This is interesting. Our own endocannabinoid system covers all cells and nerves; it is the messenger of information flowing between our immune system and the central nervous system (CNS). It is responsible for neuroprotection, and micro-manages the immune system. This is the primary control system that maintains homeostasis; our well being.

Just out of curiosity, how does the work get done at the cellular level, and where does the body make the endocannabinoids? Here we see that endocannabinoids have their origin in nerve cells right at the synapse. When the body is compromised through illness or injury it calls insistently to the endocannabinoid system and directs the immune system to bring healing. If these homeostatic systems are weakened, it should be no surprise that exocannabinoids are therapeutic. It helps the body in the most natural way possible.

To see how this works we visualize the cannabinoid as a three dimensional molecule, where one part of the molecule is configured to fit the nerve or immune cell receptor site just like a key in a lock. There are at least two types of cannabinoid receptor sites, CB1 (CNS) and CB2 (immune). In general CB1 activates the CNS messaging system, and CB2 activates the immune system, but it’s much more complex than this. Both THC and anandamide activate both receptor sites. Other cannabinoids activate one or the other receptor sites. Among the strains of Cannabis, C. sativa tends toward the CB1 receptor, and C. indica tends toward CB2. So sativa is more neuroactive, and indica is more immunoactive. Another factor here is that sativa is dominated by THC cannabinoids, and indica is predominately CBD (cannabidiol).

It is known that THC and CBD are biomimetic to anandamide, that is, the body can use both interchangeably. Thus, when stress, injury, or illness demand more from endogenous anandamide than can be produced by the body, its mimetic exocannabinoids are activated. If the stress is transitory, then the treatment can be transitory. If the demand is sustained, such as in cancer, then treatment needs to provide sustained pressure of the modulating agent on the homeostatic systems.

Typically CBD gravitates to the densely packed CB2 receptors in the spleen, home to the body’s immune system. From there, immune cells seek out and destroy cancer cells. Interestingly, it has been shown that THC and CBD cannabinoids have the ability to kill cancer cells directly without going through immune intermediaries. THC and CBD hijack the lipoxygenase pathway to directly inhibit tumor growth. As a side note, it has been discovered that CBD inhibits anandamide reuptake. Here we see that cannabidiol helps the body preserve its own natural endocannabinoid by inhibiting the enzyme that breaks down anandamide.

This brief survey touches lightly on a few essential concepts. Mostly I would like to leave you with an appreciation that nature has designed the perfect medicine that fits exactly with our own immune system of receptors and signaling metabolites to provide rapid and complete immune response for systemic integrity and metabolic homeostasis.
- See more at: http://www.cureyourowncancer.org/how-cannabis-oil-works.html#sthash.tgSCwvwH.dpuf

Bob
11th December 2014, 17:37
I think that is a great post Avid !! :)

To me it seems like if a university were to conduct a clinical study, for the ideal COMBINATION as Olaf has pointed out, DCA, Vitamin C, Cannabinoids, reducing carbohydrates, ketogenic diet (proteins)...

avid
11th December 2014, 18:12
I am resigning from this technical stuff - whilst more eminent members cure the world of cancer. Just stuck a spoke in the wheel of 'progress'... ;)

Daozen
12th December 2014, 10:24
www.cancertutor.com

I have heard of the Cesium Chloride Protocol specifically mentioned which was touted as a miracle 'cure'. It was used on a dear friend of mine with uterine cancer, she was treated with ALL the Beck protocols, and the products listed in that website and still died horribly and in much pain. I was not impressed loosing my dear friend. The doctor was a leading specialist in California using the recommended alternative techniques..

Sorry that your friend passed away. I don't endorse everything on that site, but it seems like they have a decent overview of the major protocols. Caisse tea is mentioned:

http://www.cancertutor.com/essiac/

blake
11th January 2015, 18:41
www.cancertutor.com

I have heard of the Cesium Chloride Protocol specifically mentioned which was touted as a miracle 'cure'. It was used on a dear friend of mine with uterine cancer, she was treated with ALL the Beck protocols, and the products listed in that website and still died horribly and in much pain. I was not impressed loosing my dear friend. The doctor was a leading specialist in California using the recommended alternative techniques..

Sorry that your friend passed away. I don't endorse everything on that site, but it seems like they have a decent overview of the major protocols. Caisse tea is mentioned:

http://www.cancertutor.com/essiac/


As far as the website, Cancertutor, is concerned, they do describe themselves as independent researchers but do they actually say which protocol that they have actually research? I think mostly they hear about a protocol and add it to their already long list. But in that long list readers don;t know which ones they actually research and which ones they know too much about. It doesn't matter whether you use conventional or alternative cancer treatments they are both industries out to make money off a person's life threatening illness. So unfortunately when someone is at their most vulnerable they have to have their wits about them to research and take no one's recommendation without a complete study and that takes time, energy, money something that the majority of cancer patients don;t have/ Yes there may be many cancer cures but which one is best for your unique illness. And cancer is a word used to decribes a lot of diferent illnesses. Also people may have said they cured themselves of cancer at stage 2 can that same protocol work at stage 4, or beyond in hopsice? And just becasue a protocol worked for a stage 4 cancer doesn't mean it will work for stage 1. There are so many variables in healing from cancer and one just has to realize that thye are own their own to protect themselves against both well meaning people and people out to fleece them out of their money, and life. I thik the cancertutor site is well meaning but it is also so flawed becasue they don't know if any of the protocols work and if some do work, under what circumstances do they work. But lets not just pick on cancer tutor so many sites are out there.

Does cannabis oil work? From the testimonies it sure seems to be true but in real life, considering how prevalent cancer is these days, do you know personally anyone who had cancer who cured themselves with cannabis oil? I am not saying not to do alternatives. I am saying trust no one especially your oncologist and any doctor, not even the laternative caner clinics. Can they really help you?

blake
11th January 2015, 18:55
I do not know anything about DCA, although I have heard it. Getting the mitrochodria to work well, is a goal of many cutting edge non toxic cancer therapies. One in particular is called the BX protocol, but its expensive, but the goal of this molecule they use is to get the mitochobdia functionin again and although they started as cancer researchers and experts, year after year they have been discovering that when fixing the mitochondria it just not help eliminate cancer, but it helps with lyme disease, heart disease, autoimmune diseases. So they now are working with all those diseaese and more becasue that seems to be the common element with all those diseases, fix the mitchodria and the body heals whatever disease is challenging it. SInce DCA is a chemical I don;t knwo how toxic it maybe, maybe its not toxic at all. What I read about it is that it is very cheap but is not approved by the FDA, so not so easy to get?

Mutchie
11th January 2015, 18:58
I dont get it ?? On the one hand everyone talks about the Georgia Guide stones and how our planet is severely over populated and yet here we have people trying to find the cure for cancer i mean call me cynical but do the ELITE really want cures being found for cancer , Aids etc etc .... All the money coming in towards research is very nice until the cure is found !!!

Question everything ...:confused:

blake
11th January 2015, 20:47
I dont get it ?? On the one hand everyone talks about the Georgia Guide stones and how our planet is severely over populated and yet here we have people trying to find the cure for cancer i mean call me cynical but do the ELITE really want cures being found for cancer , Aids etc etc .... All the money coming in towards research is very nice until the cure is found !!!

Question everything ...:confused:

IMHO I don't think those who control humans will not allow a cure for cancer until they think the time is right for their agenda to do so. That is why it is so important for people to do their own research and not just follow the conventional or the alternative way without all the facts that you yourself researched. When it come to your life, you can't trust anyone, no matter how good their bedside manner. And unfortunately when people are so sick, they often can not do their own research and so fall easy prey for these health care predators

blake
13th January 2015, 15:25
This is fantastic news, and there are thousands of known cures. There is one great cure yet to happen though. And that is in the definition of the Word Cancer, it’s a label like the word Chevy or Ford, you can fix any car but you cant fix the label Chevy or Ford.

Since there are thousands of fungi, on this planet and in our body's, doctor’s and the scientific community have labeled them all in one bottle Called Cancer. That’s why they take a sample and send it off to a lab to find out exactly witch fungi it is there dealing with. And some fungi have different strengths or weaknesses.


This is why the FDA can and has said you cant cure cancer, and they are right, legally and physically there is no cure for the label Cancer,, its a loop hole they use to keep the general public dumb ed down and raise so much money in the name of a label.

If you want to see the doctor’s eye brow’s go up and jaw drop, just ask what fungi you or someone else has when the label Cancer rear’s its ugly head.

Ignorance is the killer not the fungi, find the right mechanic and any car can be fixed, its name is the problem not the fix. :cool:

I don't think the doctor's eye brow or jaw will drop as most doctors don't even have that information. I think you are giving the average doctor or oncologist too much credt

coffee1066
14th January 2015, 22:43
I think that is a great post Avid !! :)

To me it seems like if a university were to conduct a clinical study, for the ideal COMBINATION as Olaf has pointed out, DCA, Vitamin C, Cannabinoids, reducing carbohydrates, ketogenic diet (proteins)...

A great is "The Cancer Industry" by Moss. It discusses alternative treatments and the drug companies / sloan kettering trials to discredit many alternative treatments. i.e. Vit C trials: In Scotland, they gave patients 10 GRAMS a day with some positive results. The Sloan study gave 60 mg a day with results saying no effect

Hughe
14th January 2015, 23:49
The Comprehensive Report on the Cannabis Extract Movement and the Use of Cannabis Extracts to Treat Diseases [Kindle Edition]
http://www.amazon.com/Comprehensive-Cannabis-Movement-Extracts-Diseases-ebook/dp/B00FZVRYL2

http://www.slideshare.net/TheHempSolution/comprehensive-report-on-the-cannabis-extract-movement

Pediatric Cancer and Cannabis
C H A N G I N G T H E T R E AT M E N T C O N V E R S AT I O N
S T E WA R T S M I T H
M A R A G O R D O N
A U N T Z E L D A’ S FA M I L I E S
http://mcpacanada.org/docs/Pediatric_Cancers_and_Cannabis_001_mjformds_FINAL. pdf

Cannabis Oil for Acute Leukemia
Posted on June 11, 2014
ALL Acute Lymphoblastic Leukemia Remission with Cannabis OilCannabis Oil for Acute Leukemia, Case Report
by Jeffrey Dach MD
http://jeffreydachmd.com/2014/06/cannabis-oil-acute-leukemia/