I think I'm finished with Red Ice Radio

[Maunagarjana]

For a long time I have appreciated Red Ice radio's interviews. Henrik Palmgren's interviews on a wide variety of topics for a long time seemed very much in accord with my interests, but in recent years, he has become increasingly racial in his focus, in a way that I would classify as being, at the very least, sympathetic to Neo-Nazi views. I've tried to ignore it, but it's gotten kind of obvious and pretty annoying to me.

I'm not sure what happened with Henrik, or what caused this gradual change of focus. Maybe he was always like this, but decided to keep it under wraps in order to build an audience in the alternative community. Granted, that many people in the alternative community do have some pretty strong anti-Jewish beliefs, even if they insist they are not racists. But there are many who don't like to focus on the racial issues also, so I could see how he would try not to alienate such folks.

His focus, not only in his interviews, but also in the news links he posts, has become increasingly on topics of white persecution, Nazi historical revisionism, and raising the alarm about brown people immigrating to Europe (especially when it comes to Muslims). It's clear to me that at some point he decided to come out of the closet as a someone whose thinking is very heavily dominated by racialist views. I don't know if I would go so far as to call him a Neo-Nazi, but as I said, he's shown me that he at least swims in that current of thought, and that it at least in part shapes his views. I wouldn't be surprised to find that he is a former Neo-Nazi who had gotten away from that, but who has reverted back to his old ways. To put it bluntly, I'd like to know how many swastika tattoos he and many of his closest friends have.

I generally have enjoyed Henrik in the past. I like his interviewing style. He seems pretty bright. I have not always agreed with his views. But that's fine, I don't need to agree with him all the time. But once he starts getting into Nazi revisionism and pushing xenophobia on his site, that's where I part ways with him. If you don't know what I'm talking about, just go down the list of interviews and news articles he's put up in the last year.

Look, here's my thing....I don't give a rat's a$s about race. It doesn't matter to me. I believe in reincarnation, and I'm sure I've been just about every race that exists on the planet. Sure, some cultures tend to have things about them I admire more than others, but I don't really care enough to get worked up about racially charged issues or topics focused on the clash of cultures. Also, even though I'm white, I don't take pride in that at all. You know why? Because I only take pride in things I have accomplished and things that I am responsible for. I did not achieve being white. And to me, emphasizing such things plays right into the hands of the controllers who want to separate us, and cause division and animosity.

Of course, he might say that he doesn't endorse every person that he puts up on his show, and that he's only presenting views that are taboo in the mainstream media. But there seems to be a very strong theme on the site at this point that wasn't there before. Though even still, he is careful not to make it too obvious. But I think I can see what he's really about. Henrik has made it impossible for me to support his site anymore. Which is a shame, because I've enjoyed many of his interviews in the past. Anyway, I'm mostly writing this to see if anyone else is seeing what I am seeing when it comes to that site. Am I overreacting? Let me know what you think.

[ulli]

Everyone is heading in some direction or other, and over a period of time it becomes pretty obvious to an observer where someone's main focus lies. I agree with you about racism...it has definitely an ugly side.

We are living at a time of rapid change and governments are using their powers more than ever without consulting the people. So I wold say that it is quite understandable that white supremacy would be on the rise in Sweden, given the immigration policies there. But Hendrik would be better off helping with the adjustment rather than inciting hatred.
The road of racism leads nowhere.

[giovonni]

IMO ...

The difference between a judgement and an opinion is that all judgements are based upon opinion ...
But there is most definitely a fine line between both terms ...

i have come to find that judgementality is tied to our own (individual) ideas of right and wrong ...
It is always best to first consider this when evaluating others expressions of experience and being.

[Wind]

It's not just Henrik and Sweden, many other people are falling for that trap too in other countries where people are still backwards. People are just totally fed up with the politicians and governments with their failed economics and then it's really easy to blame other ethnic groups for your problems when in fact our leaders have created those problems. You can just feel how many countries are becoming filled with division when some progressed countries with more progressed views are thriving. Sure the failed mass immigration policies have created some problems related to crimes, but what caused the mass immigrations in the first place? "It's a basic principle of the Universe that every action will create an equal and opposing reaction."

The division tactics are working really well again, racism and antisemitism (note that I oppose the criminal governments like Israel - not the people!) are raising their ugly heads on the net and it just makes me shake my head. What the hell is wrong with people, we might have different skin colours and beliefs, but we all bleed the same colour.

Once we choose (I underline the word choose since no one ever forced us to come here) to incarnate here, we choose our races, genders and parents. We are human beings sharing this planet, why can't we just try to live in peace while honoring each others? Because of incompetent leaders with their mad ways or because of our ignorance and prejudices? As long as we think that's it's about "us and them", we will not know peace.

[giovonni]

why can't we just get along ... :rolleyes:

judgement

[Maunagarjana]

It's not just Henrik and Sweden, many other people are falling for that trap too in other countries where people are still backwards. People are just totally fed up with the politicians and governments with their failed economics and then it's really easy to blame other ethnic groups for your problems when in fact our leaders have created those problems. You can just feel how many countries are becoming filled with division when some progressed countries with more progressed views are thriving. Sure the failed mass immigration policies have created some problems related to crimes, but what caused the mass immigrations in the first place? "It's a basic principle of the Universe that every action will create an equal and opposing reaction."

The division tactics are working really well again, racism and antisemitism (note that I oppose the criminal governments like Israel - not the people!) are raising their ugly heads on the net and it just makes me shake my head. What the hell is wrong with people, we might have different skin colours and beliefs, but we all bleed the same colour.

Once we choose (I underline the word choose since no one ever forced us to come here) to incarnate here, we choose our races, genders and parents. We are human beings sharing this planet, why can't we just try to live in peace while honoring each others? Because of incompetent leaders with their mad ways or because of our ignorance and prejudices? As long as we think that's it's about "us and them", we will not know peace.

Great post, Wind. And I agree, it is a trap.

And yes, I think we do choose our race, but our reasons for doing so I think are much different than we might think. I think it more has to do with what kind of experiences we want to have, and what kind of challenges or advantages of which we might make positive use, or perhaps to play out karma in some way. Ironically, I think some people reincarnate into the races they hated in previous lives.

[Violet]

I noticed the change too. Have been listening for years and it's pretty persistent now. I think the current Swedish political stage may have sped up the surfacing of these opinions. I was still following his logic when he said that he just wanted the best for his country but from there on it got worse. Rense has it too, but then again he was already very pronounced from the start. I do remember a recent show of Rense where one of his guests fiercely shouted that in order for an American life to be saved others had to die, and I'm aware that I'm not including enough context here, but then again, I don't know in what context that would be an ok idea to support.

Not sure if I'm done with Henrik's shows, though, I will have to make an extra effort to not hear those discriminating parts. He has interesting guests. His view of current events has an esoteric touch that makes his shows somewhat different. I hope he's reading.

And I also appreciate you highlighting this. Yes, there is a problem in Europe and no, Sweden's way is not going to solve it. I think Henrik, Sweden and a lot of Europeans would like a straight answer as to what is going to solve thé problem and unfortunately they're not willing to accept that what they see as thé problem is merely à problem in a list of problems, the most important ones set aside.

It's like talking to a wall, and the wall getting angry.

[EJdaDJ]

Im gonna stop short of dismissing Henrik as a racist. The interview regarding tribal cultures made the factual points about how immigration trends and socialist governments create melting pots and erase cultural history etc... they went on to say that speaking about this subject draws criticism, ridicule, branding, labeling and name calling. You prove that point!
The passion to preserve ones culture is not automatically make one racist. They went on to applaud the accomplishments of the NAACP and AIPAC sooo comon now... lets chillout a bit.

Coincidentally though I have lowered RedIce on my priority list recently. Reason simple, their interviews have gone from uplifting, intriguing and positive to somber, sober, complaining, defeatist and depressing. So when they interview the Grand Dragon of the KKK, I'll guess i'll give them up to.

[Agape]

I'm tempted to insert an observation here that came on my mind , maybe slightly off-topic .. but won't be too long .

The 'search of ''white man'' for his religion' , it should be called .

Through out most of the human history on earth people were colored , in many natural and synthetic pigments so they could fit in , so that they were protected , so that they had mimicry . An albino among any species is in great disadvantage on this planet .

All religions practised nowadays evolved and were evolved by ancient humans , and their ancestors who lived on the planet for thousands and millions of years ,
no matter how much knowledge and science they incorporate ( or NOT ) they are systems designed : for humans .

None of those religious forefathers and prophets were 'white men' .

Depicting Jesus with blue eyes and blond hair on the ceiling of your cathedrals looks good but in reality , he was a native .. he looked just about right for his Mid-Eastern birth . I'm sure he had 'special aura' around him and blessed heart , and mind ..

so had others .

Buddha is traditionally described as possessed of 32 major and minor marks of 'great person' , born to a Kings clan , son of a King , noble being . Yet , he spent rest of his life living side to side with baggers , ascetics , later monks and students of his own and maintained possession of 3 pieces of robes and a begging bowl .

Now if you see golden statue of Buddha or Jesus , or other Prophets , how far does it take mind away from the reality .

Ok, I'll jump over the pile of historical comparatives to say that not even one world 'religion' was invented by 'white man' , first of all because religions are man-made and secondly, white man is a myth .

The purity , the transparency that can be achieved with help of all ( those many ) spiritual practises leads us back to the original source and world we all came from.
In that world - there's no religion . But there's high ethical and also aesthetic standard maintained towards all its inhabitants .

The difficulty with human mind is .. not being able to listen and follow the subtle ... so being overtaken by the gross ( world ) . Then they mistake the gross for the subtle .


If I say ''white man has no original religion'' of their own , it's true in more than in one way . It's a stage of evolution of human being and society , I believe where neither individuals ( or society ) are able to survive by abiding by certain conventionally adopted laws - of systems , tribes, cultures , etc etc .

Too many people ( regardless their true color ) realise they're 'spiritually free' in world where no one gives a damn ..

We see the worlds systems , including old stale religious schemes are crumbling .

Yet ... if you ask 'white man' of our times and his best views on the Universe ,

he's a.male b.agnostic c.atheist d.computer programmer

in average profile statistics and he's ( perhaps ) searching for better answers .


Interesting ? Not too much . I mean it's exciting , on certain side of a brain ..or to it .. having plenty of new technical gadgets and toys to play with ,
the power of life in your handheld and super-fast car . There are maybe 2 billion young man who could proudly progress and succeed in this category and many of them will .


Is there more to life though ? So much more ... this amazing biological potential of evolving yourself in another way . A power of civilisation who reached a state of knowing ..


Another myth here it seems to me ..


:cantina:

[Snowflower]

I wouldn't know about his racial views, but I know from personal experience with him that he judges others quickly, without obtaining truth but basing his judgment on emotion and prejudice. I decided several years ago to have nothing to do with him.

[David Ansible]

I don't have an opinion about Henrik either way though I do think he is an excellent interviewer generally.

I really agreed with this statement of yours though: "Also, even though I'm white, I don't take pride in that at all. You know why? Because I only take pride in things I have accomplished and things that I am responsible for. I did not achieve being white."

It seems ridiculous for anyone to think they are "superior" based on the group to which they belong. After all, they as individuals might be vastly "inferior" to particular individuals from various other groups that they happen to meet. It is all about the individual. Just because someone is black does not mean that person is a great athlete. One's Jewishness doesn't somehow automatically make one "intelligent." The accomplishments of one's group don't necessarily say anything about YOU.

There are other reasons too why group affiliation perhaps shouldn't get anyone too excited. As an example: Even if your group happens to be "smarter" on average than some other group, that other group might possess other attractive traits that your group on average lacks. Perhaps things tend to "balance out" more than supremacists might realize.

It seems to me that the best way to go is to assess each person, as well as oneself, as an individual, rather than viewing oneself or others primarily as a representation of a particular group. I am not saying this can be done perfectly. We are all human after all. But it is the best "orientation" to have (in my opinion of course).

[aranuk]

I too used to like Hentik's interviews and I too have heard his opinions creep into the dialogue and I was initially quite shocked and found myself questioning if I had heard him correctly. I did. I have not watched another of his interviews since.

Stan

[astridmari]

Yes I also noticed the change. Being swedish I also know what we go through here in Sweden. We have been sort of "Bror Duktig" /Practical Pig in Sweden for a long time. Always doing the right thing sort of. Sometimes you get fed up beeing spoonfed what you must think to be considered a good person. Perhaps Henric is cleansing himself from a lot of programming and soon will snap out of it.

[Aspen]

Yes, I remember one bizarre interview with John Lash that Henrik did last summer. They seemed to be in agreement that the white race had been targeted for archonic infection. John Lash seemed to think that the white race was being targeted because they were more immune to programming. It was confusing because I have heard the opposite view expressed on other conspiracy sites. The most bizarre thing for me was that John Lash was teaching that eating pork would prevent this archonic infection!!! Very strange, I also find it disappointing that the focus has been on race on Red Ice lately. In Canada we have the policy of the cultural mosaic living together peacefully. It seems to work to some extent. However, there has been atrocities committed towards the indigenous population for hundreds of years and it appears to be continuing as treaty rights are often ignored and resources on treaty land given away to multinationals seems to be getting more common instead of less so.

As for myself, I am white and also not proud of it. I grew up ashamed of my german heritage and all the discrimination towards the Jew that went on in the homeland of my parents. Early on in my life I became aware of the discrimination against the first nation and metis people of my own country and have learned that it differs very little from what Hitler did. There was genocidal policies for many generations towards the aboriginal looking ones. So stupid. I enjoy doing my part to help break down the racial barriers in my own country by allying myself with the local aboriginal people (forming friendships, giving good service in my therapy practice etc.) and with recent immigrants helping them to face the racial discrimination that is still very widespread in northern Alberta.

[Maunagarjana]

Im gonna stop short of dismissing Henrik as a racist. The interview regarding tribal cultures made the factual points about how immigration trends and socialist governments create melting pots and erase cultural history etc... they went on to say that speaking about this subject draws criticism, ridicule, branding, labeling and name calling. You prove that point!

No, I do not prove that point. I said in my post I'm not calling him a Nazi. I'm just wondering about him. I'm not labeling him anything but a bit obsessed with the topic of race. I know that this is a sensitive topic, and I don't know what Henrik's views really are. He seems like a really intelligent guy, and I understand there is a whole spectrum of views when it comes to these subjects, and I would expect that he has very nuanced views that are not easily categorized and pinned down.



The passion to preserve ones culture is not automatically make one racist. They went on to applaud the accomplishments of the NAACP and AIPAC sooo comon now... lets chillout a bit.

Coincidentally though I have lowered RedIce on my priority list recently. Reason simple, their interviews have gone from uplifting, intriguing and positive to somber, sober, complaining, defeatist and depressing. So when they interview the Grand Dragon of the KKK, I'll guess i'll give them up to.

Yeah, it hasn't got that bad. Though there have been some interviews that seem to be catering to a Neo-Nazi audience in a subtle way. For example, there was one guy on there trying to refute the Khazar theory in regards to the Jews. I could see why Neo-Nazis would not like the Khazar theory, because it is a rival meme that conflicts with their propaganda about Jews. That's just one example.

I have to admit, I don't understand the cultural dynamics of Sweden. It's very far removed from where I am in California, both in terms of distance and the mindset. And I don't know all the history of racial tensions in Sweden. But I think, as others have attested, there has at least been a change of tone. So, it's good to know I'm not the only one noticing this. But I have gone on the Red Ice facebook page and pointed out the xenophobic drift of the show, and people attack me like I'm some shrill spokesperson of liberal multiculturalism for just pointing out what should be obvious. Maybe people are just a little bit sensitive. Or maybe they're defensive because there's some truth to it.

[Maunagarjana]

Yes I also noticed the change. Being swedish I also know what we go through here in Sweden. We have been sort of "Bror Duktig" /Practical Pig in Sweden for a long time. Always doing the right thing sort of. Sometimes you get fed up beeing spoonfed what you must think to be considered a good person. Perhaps Henric is cleansing himself from a lot of programming and soon will snap out of it.

I hope that's the case. And of course, he is on his own journey and is a work in progress, like everyone. Maybe I will peer in on the site in the future just to see what sort of trajectory he is on. As I said, I don't really understand what's going on in Sweden.

[Maunagarjana]

Yes, I remember one bizarre interview with John Lash that Henrik did last summer. They seemed to be in agreement that the white race had been targeted for archonic infection. John Lash seemed to think that the white race was being targeted because they were more immune to programming. It was confusing because I have heard the opposite view expressed on other conspiracy sites. The most bizarre thing for me was that John Lash was teaching that eating pork would prevent this archonic infection!!! Very strange, I also find it disappointing that the focus has been on race on Red Ice lately.

That is a bizarre claim, and a rather amusing one, actually. And not too surprising it came from a dyed-in-the-wool Gnostic like Lash. Gnosticism has long been attractive to those of an anti-Jewish mindset. I mean, they are basically saying that the Jewish Creator god is evil and insane. But I've spoken to Gnostics who are quick to say they are anti-Judaism, not anti-Jew. I'm sure they are very sensitive to be painted as being anti-Jewish.


In Canada we have the policy of the cultural mosaic living together peacefully. It seems to work to some extent. However, there has been atrocities committed towards the indigenous population for hundreds of years and it appears to be continuing as treaty rights are often ignored and resources on treaty land given away to multinationals seems to be getting more common instead of less so.

As for myself, I am white and also not proud of it. I grew up ashamed of my german heritage and all the discrimination towards the Jew that went on in the homeland of my parents. Early on in my life I became aware of the discrimination against the first nation and metis people of my own country and have learned that it differs very little from what Hitler did. There was genocidal policies for many generations towards the aboriginal looking ones. So stupid. I enjoy doing my part to help break down the racial barriers in my own country by allying myself with the local aboriginal people (forming friendships, giving good service in my therapy practice etc.) and with recent immigrants helping them to face the racial discrimination that is still very widespread in northern Alberta.

You know, I have noticed this. I have been talking to a woman from northern Alberta through the net, and I have noticed that she will causually throw around words like "Pakis" and talk about how she hated the Native kids at her High School because they would start fights with the whites, and because they talk different, or whatever. But I chalked this up to her being from a small town and not much exposed to other cultures.

And really, these things are not unique to that region. I encounter this sort of thing even in liberal California where people will in private tell me about their distaste for Mexicans and Blacks. It's a human problem, and it doesn't matter where you're from, there's always going to be a certain amount of that. I have friends from South America of pure blood Spanish descent and I have heard them make remarks about the "stupid Indios".

[seehas]

yes ive noticed something like this with red ice radio myself, but since i wasnt a big-time listener i thought maybe i didnt got it before, i didnt remember which interview it was but i can remember that hendrik made some coments about the "white race" that gave the interview a pretty weird flavour.

in the past red ice radio had some realy interesting shows, but this year wasnt that much interesting for me thats the main reason why i dont listen anymore, hendrik got amazing talent for interviewing people no doubt.

[Delight]

Everyone is heading in some direction or other, and over a period of time it becomes pretty obvious to an observer where someone's main focus lies. I agree with you about racism...it has definitely an ugly side.

We are living at a time of rapid change and governments are using their powers more than ever without consulting the people. So I wold say that it is quite understandable that white supremacy would be on the rise in Sweden, given the immigration policies there. But Hendrik would be better off helping with the adjustment rather than inciting hatred.
The road of racism leads nowhere.

Having been a subscriber of Redice creations and fan of Henrik Palmgren, I have been seeing the change of direction. The concern that the "white race" is threatened is strange to me. I do not presume to know the stress that Swedish culture experiences as more immigrants arrive. But it highlights to me that as change is inevitable, the basic ways we have approached our collective concerns have failed absolutely.

In the 80's I had a room-mate who was from Sweden. What I learned from her was that the Swedish model was a positive social one in her opinion but working because it came out of Sweden's relative homogeneity of race and culture. I was impressed at that time that they did not have prejudice about unmarried mothers (as we had in my experience in the US south) and other innovations like healthcare and education for all. This woman had decided to immigrate to the US because she found the collective "mind" stifling for her in Sweden.

IMO, to go beyond one's identification with culture and race is a huge leap we have not yet seemed to jump but could cross as humans. The idea that worth and value is based on the "isms" of groups is a constantly manipulated position where people fight group to group. We already know the results....

I saw this today and it reflects on the issue IMO.


The Matrix Revealed: the collective experiment on planet Earth

by Jon Rappoport

December 27, 2014

NoMoreFakeNews.com

OutsideTheRealityMachine

When all obsessive group-consciousness on Earth is finished, exhausted, when it admits defeat, then a different era will emerge. But for now, we are in the middle of the collective experiment.

High-flying cloying sentiment, profound dependence on others, covert repression—these are the order of the day.

How long until the collective age is over? A hundred years? A thousand years? The answer is, as long as it takes for every human to realize that the experiment has failed, and why.

The why is clear—the individual has been overlooked. He has been demeaned. He has been grabbed up and drafted into groups. His creative power has been compromised in order to fit in.

The majority of the world still believes in this approach, as if from good groups will flow the ultimate and final solutions we have all been seeking.

This is sheer mind control, because good groups morph into evil, and vice versa, in the ongoing stage play called reality.

Ideals are twisted, infiltrators subvert plans, lessons are ignored, and the whole sorry mess repeats itself again.

What constituted a triumph of good over evil at one moment is guided into yet another collective, whose aims are “a better kind of control.”

The most deluded among us believe we are always on the cusp of a final breakthrough.

But there is no “we” to make the breakthrough.

It comes to every person on his own. And it does not arrive as the thrust of an external force, but from one’s own struggle, accompanied by insights for which there is no outside agency to lend confirmation.

If indeed it will take a thousand years to bring this collective illusion to a close, that is no cause for despondent reaction.

On the contrary, it is simply an understanding that all experiments come to an end, as does the method of thought on which they are based.

One or ten or a hundred collapses of civilization, and the resultant rebuilding, are not enough.

The pattern endures.

It can only dissolve when overwhelming numbers of individuals, each in his own way, absent self-deception, sees its bankruptcy.

The “we” and the “us” are merely postponements and cover stories splashed on the front pages of the mind.

Fighting for what is right, here and now, is vital. But it does not preclude the knowledge that, as long as people are fixated on groups as the Answer, the underlying problem will persist.

Therefore, as part of my research over the last several decades, I have explored what is now commonly called the Matrix, from the point of view of freeing the individual from it.

The first step is understanding Matrix as an ongoing perverse “work of art” and viewing the nuts and bolts of it.....
The Matrix Revealed: the collective experiment on planet Earth (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/12/27/the-matrix-revealed-the-collective-experiment-on-planet-earth/)

[Maunagarjana]

yes ive noticed something like this with red ice radio myself, but since i wasnt a big-time listener i thought maybe i didnt got it before, i didnt remember which interview it was but i can remember that hendrik made some coments about the "white race" that gave the interview a pretty weird flavour.

in the past red ice radio had some realy interesting shows, but this year wasnt that much interesting for me thats the main reason why i dont listen anymore, hendrik got amazing talent for interviewing people no doubt.

Yes, I know what you mean. I haven't been keeping track of all such instances I've noticed, so I can't cite a bunch of them. But I have noticed and it has perplexed me. I'm not trying to start a screw-Henrik campaign or anything. He is free to voice his point of view. And I am free to voice mine.

[giovonni]

I wouldn't know about his racial views, but I know from personal experience with him that he judges others quickly, without obtaining truth but basing his judgment on emotion and prejudice. I decided several years ago to have nothing to do with him.

Perhaps you can qualify the highlighted text ... i find it kind of vaguely accusatory against him (Henrik Palmgren) ...
And i feel it is an unfair attack (hearsay) ... Especially since there is no way to verify your personal claim.

[Terra]

Maunagarjana, I feel the same about Red Ice, the shows have slipped in the last few months which is a shame really for me

but...

on the up side, I have found Jimmy Church (https://www.youtube.com/user/KJCRFadeToBlack/videos) to be a good alternative if you haven't checked him out.

I'm more into ancient history, myths, paranormal and the like.

Anyone got any ideas for other good alternative shows??

Others for me are Coast to Coast AM, Caravan To Midnight, Hagmann and Hagmann.

Cheers,

[Maunagarjana]

Maunagarjana, I feel the same about Red Ice, the shows have slipped in the last few months which is a shame really for me

but...

on the up side, I have found Jimmy Church (https://www.youtube.com/user/KJCRFadeToBlack/videos) to be a good alternative if you haven't checked him out.

I'm more into ancient history, myths, paranormal and the like.

Anyone got any ideas for other good alternative shows??

Others for me are Coast to Coast AM, Caravan To Midnight, Hagmann and Hagmann.

Cheers,

Thanks for the recommendation. I'm sure I must have listened to Fade To Black in the past. I can't think of many shows to recommend to you. The only one that comes to mind is Truth Connections with Kathy Buckalew https://www.youtube.com/user/truthconnections/videos But maybe others have some recommendations for you.

[Elainie]

Same here and as a result I haven't even looked at RI in many months.

[Mark]

After that Lash interview I stopped listening to Red Ice even tho, like all of y'all, I had been a long time listener and fan. Lash's recent series with Lisa opened me back up to him again on the Gnostic front and the important of the Nag Hammadi texts, but I doubt I'll go back to Red Ice any time soon.

If he does, I'm sure y'all will let the rest of us know. :)

[dianna]

I wouldn't know about his racial views, but I know from personal experience with him that he judges others quickly, without obtaining truth but basing his judgment on emotion and prejudice. I decided several years ago to have nothing to do with him.

Perhaps you can qualify the highlighted text ... i find it kind of vaguely accusatory against him (Henrik Palmgren) ...
And i feel it is an unfair attack (hearsay) ... Especially since there is no way to verify your personal claim.

Thank you … Henrik and his cohort on Radio 14 are two of the most intellectual alternative views we have today … its too bad that he is being judged for bringing up subjects that people are not willing to research with an open mind … or have a really good "think" about … also being programmed to feel uncomfortable with certain issues should not be a reason to dismiss a persons work … or label anyone as a racist …

[Maunagarjana]

I wouldn't know about his racial views, but I know from personal experience with him that he judges others quickly, without obtaining truth but basing his judgment on emotion and prejudice. I decided several years ago to have nothing to do with him.

Perhaps you can qualify the highlighted text ... i find it kind of vaguely accusatory against him (Henrik Palmgren) ...
And i feel it is an unfair attack (hearsay) ... Especially since there is no way to verify your personal claim.

Thank you … Henrik and his cohort on Radio 14 are two of the most intellectual alternative views we have today … its too bad that he is being judged for bringing up subjects that people are not willing to research with an open mind … or have a really good "think" about … also being programmed to feel uncomfortable with certain issues should not be a reason to dismiss a persons work … or label anyone as a racist …

I really don't see how anyone could see the stuff he puts on his site at times and not say to themselves, "This guy has a serious preoccupation with race." I really don't even think he would deny that he does, he would probably just try to make people who don't see it's importance seem clueless and careless to the . . . (cue the sad violin music) . . . the plight of the poor downtrodden white race who aren't even allowed to fight back when they are victimized. (weeps angrily)

Am I judging him? Maybe I am, but I find anyone who overly identifies with race to be rather dense and shortsighted. And for someone with as much metaphysical knowledge as he has (or should have, based on all the people he's interviewed), there's just no excuse for that.

[EJdaDJ]

possibilities:

1. Henrik has been infiltrated and compromised, illuminati style
2. Henrik is a closet Nazi supremicist (spell chk.)
3. Henrick is a heroin addict.
4. Henrick is on an honest journey of knowledge and wisdom

Conclusion:
1. Yet to be determined

Advice:

" Dear Henry, don't come out of the White House like Limbaugh did, singing a different song the next day. If you're love of money, drugs and influence pre-occupies your consciousness re-direct your trajectory NOW. You still have time, very little time, but we will grant you 1 favor. We are Project Avalon, We are your jury.

Speak now judgement is upon your soul.

[Maunagarjana]

People get judged all the time around here. Don't believe me, start a thread either praising or criticizing David Wilcock and watch the trash talk pile up. Now I regret even bringing up his name because now I might have read some of it.

[EJdaDJ]

Possibilities:
1. Henrik has been infiltrated by the Powers that were.
2. Henrik is a white supremisist
3. Henrik is on heroin.
4. Henrik is on a journey for knowledge and wisdom, as we are.

Conclusion:
1. Yet to be determined.

Advice:

Dear Henry,

If you have been accosted, Limbaugh style, Project Avalon hereby serves notice. We are your jury. Speak now before judgement falls upon you

[Maunagarjana]

I read it the first time, but thanks for the completely useless reiteration. Maybe if you post it a third time it will start becoming funny.

[Hanson]

I too used to like Hentik's interviews and I too have heard his opinions creep into the dialogue and I was initially quite shocked and found myself questioning if I had heard him correctly. I did. I have not watched another of his interviews since.
Isn't that excessively dismissive? The interviews are mostly about what the guests think, not what Henrik thinks. Could it be that you are throwing out the baby with the bath water?

[Daozen]

Maunagarjana , I never listened to RedIce, but it might help if you included some direct quotes from the website in the OP, so everyone could be clear exactly what you are focused on.

[astridmari]

I have to admit, I don't understand the cultural dynamics of Sweden. It's very far removed from where I am in California, both in terms of distance and the mindset. And I don't know all the history of racial tensions in Sweden. But I think, as others have attested, there has at least been a change of tone. So, it's good to know I'm not the only one noticing this. But I have gone on the Red Ice facebook page and pointed out the xenophobic drift of the show, and people attack me like I'm some shrill spokesperson of liberal multiculturalism for just pointing out what should be obvious. Maybe people are just a little bit sensitive. Or maybe they're defensive because there's some truth to it.


It is very difficult to explain a whole society in a few lines. It gets very general and perhaps will not say as much but all the same I will try to depict a bit of my Sweden for you.

I was born in the 50s, my parents came from countryside farms and moved into a city and got jobs and housing without almost no schooling, only 6 years of Folkskola. Our gov was the same year in and year out. Almost everybody was a Socialdemokrat. We felt secure and prosperous. Everything material got better. We needed people from other countries to join the workforce. People from other european countries came here to work. In the 70s the goal of the gov was that almost everybody has to go to university to get a good job. People of the academia made statements about everything. They were specialists who knew better. It was very important that everything was scientific. Decisions took a long time since there always had to be an investigation first (with people from the university of course).

It seemed like we all were supposed to come from the same "cast". See the same tv-shows, talk about the same newspaper headlines and so on. There were so many countries that had political problems (Greece, Spain, Iran) so some people from there had to leave their homecountries and come to Sweden where everything was perfect and so on. We also got a few of the US deserters from the Vietnam war. We were such a welcoming country! And not as barbarious and warmongering as the US. We had a clean conscience and thought we were scientific and good. Not religiously deluded or anything.

When Palme was shot in the 80s it was like horrendous this could happen in a free country. Of course they didnt find his murderer. (Ole Dammegård writes about that.) (http://www.lightonconspiracies.com/)

The next gov began to sell everything the state owned. It was like in GB, and the Thatcher woman only in Sweden the Socialdemocrats began to sell out state properties for small change. People without knowledge started to play with money not belonging to them. Now everything was about money, and how important it was with enterprises and businesses. Before if you got sick you could be provided for but now sick people were accused of being lazy and liars. It was the trickledown politics.

More people from abroad coming in. Very important with the free trade and so on. Now the people coming in often come as refugees, and often have thrown their passports away before going to the authorities. They could be criminals - we cant know that. Also they are so many that the authorities dont have time to investigate so most of them get to stay if they plead they are refugees. They also come from out of Europe like Africa, Middle East, Irak. They often have no education. They get money and somewhere to live. It takes about 7 years before they can support themselves (language, work).

In the 90s economic crisis same as anywhere else. We get a party that calls themselves Sweden democrats but they stem from an earlier naziparty that consisted mainly of skinheads. People are discontent and vote for them. They are now the 3rd party in Sweden. They were celebrating their "victory" in the elctions together with the Israeli flag and a jewish spokesperson on the stand! I wonder who funded them ;)? The other politicians dont want to talk to them or cooperate since the Swedendemocrats say they want to adjust the immigration-policy. That is almost a criminal thing to say in Sweden even if many of us thinks it.

The journalists in Swedish radio-tv is often talks about how terrible it is for the immigrants and so on and that we must spend more money on these issues. Same time rape is more frequent than ever in Sweden, young girls get raped by gangs, unheard of 20 years ago. So all men are now suspects. People dont get the help they need and so on. It is like the bad guys at least have one good idea and the "good" ones dont seem to be grounded. We have no Defense to talk about anymore. So now we practise together with Nato soon to be a part of Nato I guess. Sweden does what US tells us to do.

Lucky for us we still have the Swedish krona instead of the Euro. Soon only one bank in Sweden want your cash - Forex - the others wont bother with cash. You cant sell things on the market square without a register. You cant sell or buy a car without going through a bank.

We have been one sort of a totalitarian community bought off with material things and now when "nothing works" as it should it is sort of another totalitarity taking over. We are not sovereign and safe as we thought. We are on our way to distinction like everyone else.

We all have to change our way of life of course and that is for the better I think.
I really think this Ragnarök we are experiencing now will end and we will end up wiser after. We will get rid of the wolf of greed be sure of it.

[Flash]

I have to admit, I don't understand the cultural dynamics of Sweden. It's very far removed from where I am in California, both in terms of distance and the mindset. And I don't know all the history of racial tensions in Sweden. But I think, as others have attested, there has at least been a change of tone. So, it's good to know I'm not the only one noticing this. But I have gone on the Red Ice facebook page and pointed out the xenophobic drift of the show, and people attack me like I'm some shrill spokesperson of liberal multiculturalism for just pointing out what should be obvious. Maybe people are just a little bit sensitive. Or maybe they're defensive because there's some truth to it.


It is very difficult to explain a whole society in a few lines. It gets very general and perhaps will not say as much but all the same I will try to depict a bit of my Sweden for you.

I was born in the 50s, my parents came from countryside farms and moved into a city and got jobs and housing without almost no schooling, only 6 years of Folkskola. Our gov was the same year in and year out. Almost everybody was a Socialdemokrat. We felt secure and prosperous. Everything material got better. We needed people from other countries to join the workforce. People from other european countries came here to work. In the 70s the goal of the gov was that almost everybody has to go to university to get a good job. People of the academia made statements about everything. They were specialists who knew better. It was very important that everything was scientific. Decisions took a long time since there always had to be an investigation first (with people from the university of course).

It seemed like we all were supposed to come from the same "cast". See the same tv-shows, talk about the same newspaper headlines and so on. There were so many countries that had political problems (Greece, Spain, Iran) so some people from there had to leave their homecountries and come to Sweden where everything was perfect and so on. We also got a few of the US deserters from the Vietnam war. We were such a welcoming country! And not as barbarious and warmongering as the US. We had a clean conscience and thought we were scientific and good. Not religiously deluded or anything.

When Palme was shot in the 80s it was like horrendous this could happen in a free country. Of course they didnt find his murderer. (Ole Dammegård writes about that.) (http://www.lightonconspiracies.com/)

The next gov began to sell everything the state owned. It was like in GB, and the Thatcher woman only in Sweden the Socialdemocrats began to sell out state properties for small change. People without knowledge started to play with money not belonging to them. Now everything was about money, and how important it was with enterprises and businesses. Before if you got sick you could be provided for but now sick people were accused of being lazy and liars. It was the trickledown politics.

More people from abroad coming in. Very important with the free trade and so on. Now the people coming in often come as refugees, and often have thrown their passports away before going to the authorities. They could be criminals - we cant know that. Also they are so many that the authorities dont have time to investigate so most of them get to stay if they plead they are refugees. They also come from out of Europe like Africa, Middle East, Irak. They often have no education. They get money and somewhere to live. It takes about 7 years before they can support themselves (language, work).

In the 90s economic crisis same as anywhere else. We get a party that calls themselves Sweden democrats but they stem from an earlier naziparty that consisted mainly of skinheads. People are discontent and vote for them. They are now the 3rd party in Sweden. They were celebrating their "victory" in the elctions together with the Israeli flag and a jewish spokesperson on the stand! I wonder who funded them ;)? The other politicians dont want to talk to them or cooperate since the Swedendemocrats say they want to adjust the immigration-policy. That is almost a criminal thing to say in Sweden even if many of us thinks it.

The journalists in Swedish radio-tv is often talks about how terrible it is for the immigrants and so on and that we must spend more money on these issues. Same time rape is more frequent than ever in Sweden, young girls get raped by gangs, unheard of 20 years ago. So all men are now suspects. People dont get the help they need and so on. It is like the bad guys at least have one good idea and the "good" ones dont seem to be grounded. We have no Defense to talk about anymore. So now we practise together with Nato soon to be a part of Nato I guess. Sweden does what US tells us to do.

Lucky for us we still have the Swedish krona instead of the Euro. Soon only one bank in Sweden want your cash - Forex - the others wont bother with cash. You cant sell things on the market square without a register. You cant sell or buy a car without going through a bank.

We have been one sort of a totalitarian community bought off with material things and now when "nothing works" as it should it is sort of another totalitarity taking over. We are not sovereign and safe as we thought. We are on our way to distinction like everyone else.

We all have to change our way of life of course and that is for the better I think.
I really think this Ragnarök we are experiencing now will end and we will end up wiser after. We will get rid of the wolf of greed be sure of it.

Welcome to Canada. It looks pretty much the same. History and all. Except for ghe French factor maybe (in Quebec)

[Snowflower]

Ok, will do.
In the Webbot forum, henrik gave the members access to both hours of an interview with Clif free for one week. I could not get the second hour to play and after trying everything possible, I expressed my frustration in the webbot forum. Henrik decided to use my frustration (expressed without attack on henrik, mostly because it never even occurred to me, but including my failure to get someone from his website to respond back to me), as a reason to remove the listening privileges for that interview and all future interviews with clif. I felt then and still feel that he was looking for any excuse he could find to get out of his agreement. After that experience, I have never listened to another red ice interview.

I wouldn't know about his racial views, but I know from personal experience with him that he judges others quickly, without obtaining truth but basing his judgment on emotion and prejudice. I decided several years ago to have nothing to do with him.

Perhaps you can qualify the highlighted text ... i find it kind of vaguely accusatory against him (Henrik Palmgren) ...
And i feel it is an unfair attack (hearsay) ... Especially since there is no way to verify your personal claim.

[indigopete]

Yes I also noticed the change. Being swedish I also know what we go through here in Sweden. We have been sort of "Bror Duktig" /Practical Pig in Sweden for a long time. Always doing the right thing sort of. Sometimes you get fed up beeing spoonfed what you must think to be considered a good person. Perhaps Henric is cleansing himself from a lot of programming and soon will snap out of it.

This.

I think you're all very quick to judge Henrik. Few people have done more for the understanding of the diversity of the human disposition than he has. Nor have I ever heard anything remotely racist in any of his opinions and broadcasts.

The so called "revisionism" found recently in his programmes is much needed. Contrary to popular opinion, the present day world is not constructed from a binary history of "bad people and good people" but from a complex tapestry to which our education system does not remotely do justice.

How many 9/11's, medical scams, global financial rips offs and scientifically based lies to people need to experience before they stop their dismissive self-censoring as has been expressed in this thread ?

The Red-Ice series has simply decided to probe some taboos that needed probed. So they put a few noses out of joint, but the death camps and massacres of the 20 th century were potentially as much a product of the celebrated "good guys" as the demonised "bad guys" and it's about time we all start taking responsibility for it instead of lumping it all on one character.

If you're "finished with Red Ice" over something as trivial as this then I suggest you finish with the quest for truth altogether and take up fishing instead. That's the implicit message in the subject line of this thread.

For those who need it spelled out, the main thrust of Henrik's recent theme is to highlight the threat that centralised popular control systems pose to human cultures which have developed over periods of millennia. It's not a question of favouring one 'race' over another, it's a question of favouring and preserving human cultural diversity in the face of psychopathic geo-political cartels.

I urge people to reconsider the conclusion alluded to by this thread.

[giovonni]

Ok, will do.
In the Webbot forum, henrik gave the members access to both hours of an interview with Clif free for one week. I could not get the second hour to play and after trying everything possible, I expressed my frustration in the webbot forum. Henrik decided to use my frustration (expressed without attack on henrik, mostly because it never even occurred to me, but including my failure to get someone from his website to respond back to me), as a reason to remove the listening privileges for that interview and all future interviews with clif. I felt then and still feel that he was looking for any excuse he could find to get out of his agreement. After that experience, I have never listened to another red ice interview.

I wouldn't know about his racial views, but I know from personal experience with him that he judges others quickly, without obtaining truth but basing his judgment on emotion and prejudice. I decided several years ago to have nothing to do with him.

Perhaps you can qualify the highlighted text ... i find it kind of vaguely accusatory against him (Henrik Palmgren) ...
And i feel it is an unfair attack (hearsay) ... Especially since there is no way to verify your personal claim.

Thanks Snowflower for that polite and quick response ...

That's very unfortunate and i do understand your disappointment and frustrations ...

And with that ... Here's Wishing You A Much Happier New Year !

PS ~ i would also like to add that i am also taken back with some of the interview/news items that Red Ice Creations has produced this last year ... But with the excellent explanation via our fellow member astridmari... and also noting the volatile social dynamics occurring in Europe presently ... i still will continue to give Henrik the benefit of the doubt ...
Unless his actions demonstrates otherwise.

Blessing to All ~ Gio

[Agape]

Yes it is , I admire some of these peoples strength to deal with so many difficult , some dirty and controversial subjects for any long period of time .

Itself , it's a sacrifice .

There's an endless lie being told to people of all times , at all the times . It's good to hear of others but there's no one else to know what the Truth is , and isn't , than you, at your place .. it needs gathering of information ..

but beyond that .. processing the information..

to arrive at greater conclusions .


The sense we will be able to make of things in 20 or 30 years, looking back.. will be still different from whatever can be predicted .


You can't walk this way without trust that you'll be the same honest with yourself than you were at the beginning , if not more honest .


And ...there's no one who can carry all the world on his own back...

like that proverbial turtle ..



Merry Christmas also to Red Ice Radio :angel:

[Rex]

Man don't write off RIR just yet.

[Maunagarjana]

Maunagarjana , I never listened to RedIce, but it might help if you included some direct quotes from the website in the OP, so everyone could be clear exactly what you are focused on.

No, I'm not going to do that. That's way too much work to ask me to do. I would just suggest go to his main page http://www.redicecreations.com/ and scroll down the list of links to articles. They go back a long way and you can observe for yourself how many of them are fear mongering about muslims, non-white on white crimes, immigration, and all sorts of xenophobia related topics. Many of the links are quite good and stuff I agree with, but I have to wade through all this other crap to find the good stuff.

Then look at the interviews over the years, especially the last year or two. Compare to years past. http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/nonsubscriber.php

As this thread has demonstrated, I'm not the only one noticing this stuff.

[The Truth Is In There]

isn't it interesting that for a long time people did not have any problems with others passing uneducated judgement while germans were the bad guys? on the contrary, most of them chimed in. the reeducators and programmers did a marvelous job with that, but truth always comes to light eventually. now those who can't deal with the fact that they themselves have been wrong, who have not yet gotten rid of their programming, will be quick to judge others who are waking up and wake up others to the fact that things are often not what they seem.

people have a lot to learn yet. for example, how colours (and shape) determine the nature and frequency (vibration) of things, and that mixing things that are not in harmony, frequency-wise, creates destructive interference. such laws work everywhere. just like mixing certain foods that taste well individually will create a bad taste when mixed together, mixing certain races, or all kinds of different races, will cause disharmony till eventually all hell breaks loose. the programmers know this and do it on purpose.

that there are people who are aware of this fact, instinctually or on a metaphysical level, and want to alert others to it, does not make them hate mongers or anything of the sort. we all do what we think is right, and who are we to judge whether others are right or wrong in their opinions? what we don't like in others is often the very thing we dislike in ourselves. passing judgement on others is just a mechanism to hide our own shortcomings from ourselves. i think the opening post and some others are quite judgmental, the very thing hendrik is criticised for.

[Kryztian]

Thanks Maunagarjana for bringing up the "Red Ice" issue - I have been thinking of starting a thread on this issue and am glad you took the initiative.

For years, Hendrik did some great interviews, and his style got better and better. His only objective seemed to be to uncover hidden truth.

Then in the last years, something changed. It seemed, there was a conspiracy against white men, to make them feel ashamed, to link them to a heritage of being oppressors in the world, to dilute their gene pool by making them intermarry with non-whites, by having non-Europeans dilute their culture. Red Ice now had an agenda.

In the last year, I've tried to sit through some of these interviews, thinking, if I benefited by previous interviews in the past, then I should open myself up to new and challenging ideas. Well, that was a colossal waste of time as I listened to one interview after another, devoid of information and intellectually bankrupt.

Hendrik/Red Ice would always hide behind the idea that "we are just allowing others to present their ideas", as if there interviewing one white supremacist after another and allowing them to spout their ideas without critical examinations, doesn't make you a white supremacist too. (Not that "white supremacist" is exactly the animal we have here, although it is continually assumed that White Heterosexual Male Europeans are clearly superior to Arabs, Jews, Gays and feminists, they are where they are, only due to their influence in government or by a cabal. If you question that assumption or demand further elucidation, then you are part of the "political correctness" police contingent.)

Perhaps Hendrik will see he has alienated enough people, will see that he hasn't convinced anyone of anything they didn't already believe. Perhaps he will "get back on track" and become the friendly, accommodating radio host he once was with a broader agenda and perspective. But I am not holding my breath.

[Daozen]

No, I'm not going to do that. That's way too much work to ask me to do.

Alright, I never asked you to make a Federal case. People have to do their own research, true. But if you're going to say something about someone, it's useful to spend a couple of minutes linking to supporting evidence.

I found some links that support your case:

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2014/12/RIR-141201.php

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2014/10/RIR-141010.php

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2014/07/RIR-140711.php

It looks like you have a point, something's creeping in slowly.

[Theodora]

This is my first post and sadly, it is how I discovered this forum. After listening to the last program on RIC (Jew blaming again) I searched "Redice radio racist" and this thread came up. Very little else did. Thank-you to whom ever started this thread. I have been a listening to RIC for about 7 years and have become discouraged with the stupidity behind this program, while interviewing supposed academics and professors promoting this bizarre way of thinking. As many have stated here, this was once a really good program with interesting guests, interesting perspectives and Henrik was an excellent interviewer. Over the last 2-3 years it has slowly become intolerable. The program is so extreme in its views on race and politics and all guests just support the ever increasingly narrow conservative, "Western European man is superior" line complete with "Jewry" blaming. We are being forced "to become the negroid or mongoliod race" through mass immigration on European countries; White men/earlier caucasian cultures are the true first nations (Aboriginals) in North America- this race was superior in technology than Aboriginal peoples; Europeans are the masters of civilization everyone else in third world countries lack the interest and ability "inclination" to progress and develop; it goes on and on...Apologetics for Hitler and the third Reich?? Its more than just showing the full story or the otherside of the coin-it is bizarre and sad. I needed to get it out because no one criticizes this program and its terrible.

I believe we all should be proud of our culture and heritage and feel free to explore and express it without guilt and shame. I believe that our current economic-politcal structure has forced many of us to feel ashamed-it doesn't justify ressurecting one's culture on the backs of the poor or newcomer or at the expense of any one of any race through resentment or hatred or feelings of superiority. That is what this radio program is about now-its not one episode its 90% of the last 2 years and its posts and guests are getting worse. For your consideration, some of last weeks guests : Why is this OK?

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/01/RIR-150128.php

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/01/RIR-150119.php

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/01/RIR-150114.php

[araucaria]

This is my first post and sadly, it is how I discovered this forum. After listening to the last program on RIC (Jew blaming again) I searched "Redice radio racist" and this thread came up. Very little else did. Thank-you to whom ever started this thread. I have been a listening to RIC for about 7 years and have become discouraged with the stupidity behind this program, while interviewing supposed academics and professors promoting this bizarre way of thinking. As many have stated here, this was once a really good program with interesting guests, interesting perspectives and Henrik was an excellent interviewer. Over the last 2-3 years it has slowly become intolerable. The program is so extreme in its views on race and politics and all guests just support the ever increasingly narrow conservative, "Western European man is superior" line complete with "Jewry" blaming. We are being forced "to become the negroid or mongoliod race" through mass immigration on European countries; White men/earlier caucasian cultures are the true first nations (Aboriginals) in North America- this race was superior in technology than Aboriginal peoples; Europeans are the masters of civilization everyone else in third world countries lack the interest and ability "inclination" to progress and develop; it goes on and on...Apologetics for Hitler and the third Reich?? Its more than just showing the full story or the otherside of the coin-it is bizarre and sad. I needed to get it out because no one criticizes this program and its terrible.

I believe we all should be proud of our culture and heritage and feel free to explore and express it without guilt and shame. I believe that our current economic-politcal structure has forced many of us to feel ashamed-it doesn't justify ressurecting one's culture on the backs of the poor or newcomer or at the expense of any one of any race through resentment or hatred or feelings of superiority. That is what this radio program is about now-its not one episode its 90% of the last 2 years and its posts and guests are getting worse. For your consideration, some of last weeks guests : Why is this OK?

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/01/RIR-150128.php

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/01/RIR-150119.php

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/01/RIR-150114.php
Welcome to the forum, I think you'll find a lot of other interesting stuff now that you're here.

The poet Ezra Pound was very loud in saying many things he later came bitterly to regret. One accusation, of anti-Semitism, he dealt with once and for all, by admitting the charge: ‘The worst mistake I made was that stupid, suburban prejudice of anti-Semitism.’ Anti-Semitism may be a stupid mistake, but it is mainly so because you are allowing yourself to be sidetracked. This is not about Jewishness. You don’t need to be anti-Semitic to deface a Jewish cemetery: anti-Semitism is a weapon, a smokescreen to hide the truth of what is actually going on, a human shield to protect individual perpetrators of crimes against humanity. Any form of racism is ‘wrong’ because it is an incredibly crippling overgeneralization – if a Jew cannot disagree with other Jews without becoming a self-hating Jew then no one can disagree with anyone – and an incredibly naïve oversimplification – double or triple agents and agents provocateurs were not born yesterday after all.

[Theodora]

This is my first post and sadly, it is how I discovered this forum. After listening to the last program on RIC (Jew blaming again) I searched "Redice radio racist" and this thread came up. Very little else did. Thank-you to whom ever started this thread. I have been a listening to RIC for about 7 years and have become discouraged with the stupidity behind this program, while interviewing supposed academics and professors promoting this bizarre way of thinking. As many have stated here, this was once a really good program with interesting guests, interesting perspectives and Henrik was an excellent interviewer. Over the last 2-3 years it has slowly become intolerable. The program is so extreme in its views on race and politics and all guests just support the ever increasingly narrow conservative, "Western European man is superior" line complete with "Jewry" blaming. We are being forced "to become the negroid or mongoliod race" through mass immigration on European countries; White men/earlier caucasian cultures are the true first nations (Aboriginals) in North America- this race was superior in technology than Aboriginal peoples; Europeans are the masters of civilization everyone else in third world countries lack the interest and ability "inclination" to progress and develop; it goes on and on...Apologetics for Hitler and the third Reich?? Its more than just showing the full story or the otherside of the coin-it is bizarre and sad. I needed to get it out because no one criticizes this program and its terrible.

I believe we all should be proud of our culture and heritage and feel free to explore and express it without guilt and shame. I believe that our current economic-politcal structure has forced many of us to feel ashamed-it doesn't justify ressurecting one's culture on the backs of the poor or newcomer or at the expense of any one of any race through resentment or hatred or feelings of superiority. That is what this radio program is about now-its not one episode its 90% of the last 2 years and its posts and guests are getting worse. For your consideration, some of last weeks guests : Why is this OK?

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/01/RIR-150128.php

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/01/RIR-150119.php

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/01/RIR-150114.php
Welcome to the forum, I think you'll find a lot of other interesting stuff now that you're here.

The poet Ezra Pound was very loud in saying many things he later came bitterly to regret. One accusation, of anti-Semitism, he dealt with once and for all, by admitting the charge: ‘The worst mistake I made was that stupid, suburban prejudice of anti-Semitism.’ Anti-Semitism may be a stupid mistake, but it is mainly so because you are allowing yourself to be sidetracked. This is not about Jewishness. You don’t need to be anti-Semitic to deface a Jewish cemetery: anti-Semitism is a weapon, a smokescreen to hide the truth of what is actually going on, a human shield to protect individual perpetrators of crimes against humanity. Any form of racism is ‘wrong’ because it is an incredibly crippling overgeneralization – if a Jew cannot disagree with other Jews without becoming a self-hating Jew then no one can disagree with anyone – and an incredibly naïve oversimplification – double or triple agents and agents provocateurs were not born yesterday after all.

Thanks Arucaria for your response. Yes indeed, over generalizations are the basis for most ethnic (non-western/european) narratives on Red Ice Creations. Having a discussion with a guest or anyone about the problems within an ethnic group; or its country; or its history; or its politics; or its culture; or its bias; or its myths etc is not racism. The issue here is the continous, wanton targeting of one group and all groups that are not "white". How about this interview for a title "Scalp Dance: Indian Warfare on the High Plains". RIC elites are white Nordics or Germanics. Even Celts are spoken about off handedly-There is mean, onesided, lies and criticizm and "over generalizations" that create its own myth that is now RIC. Its not one quest or program-its all their guests or programs. Its like watching an old friend turn to drugs and go down a dark path and any attempts to point out the obvious are met with personal attacks. Their politics is again-one sided, overly conservative and attacks everything else, criticizm or attempts to point out flaws in an argument is met with insults such as "Communists"; "Leftists"; there is no meaningful conversation-or getting to a deeper understanding of an issue. Its black and white; White is "good" and black or any other color, ideology , personal belief system which is not conservative Euro/American centric is naturally bad. This used to be an interesting informative program- and its now being usurped by some racist, zenophobic "groups" agenda, so it seems.

[Theodora]

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Maunagarjana, I feel the same about Red Ice, the shows have slipped in the last few months which is a shame really for me

but...

on the up side, I have found Jimmy Church (https://www.youtube.com/user/KJCRFadeToBlack/videos) to be a good alternative if you haven't checked him out.

I'm more into ancient history, myths, paranormal and the like.

Anyone got any ideas for other good alternative shows??

Others for me are Coast to Coast AM, Caravan To Midnight, Hagmann and Hagmann.

Cheers,

I have listened to "alternative radio", daily, since 1997 with Art Bell and Coast to Coast am and have membership for Coast to coast am and Veritas Radio with Mel Fabregas (good program) and occasionally Freeman and Max Igan. In the past I year I also have had membership to Caravan to Midnight with John B Wells and Redice Radio (since 2009). I no longer have membership with the last two programs because of the onesided, zenophobic, agenda driven interviews. I have also stopped my membership recently to Coast to coast am but still have access as I purchased a one year subscription prepaid. I love radio and go to bed with it every night and have for many years. Art Bell will be back on the waves this July with Dark Matter. I believe Jimmy Church is connected to this site. For more paranormal interests Dave Shrader's Darkness radio isn't bad. Lately, I have turned to audiobooks more and more.

[mind-scape]

I generally have enjoyed Henrik in the past. I like his interviewing style. He seems pretty bright. I have not always agreed with his views. But that's fine, I don't need to agree with him all the time. But once he starts getting into Nazi revisionism and pushing xenophobia on his site, that's where I part ways with him. If you don't know what I'm talking about, just go down the list of interviews and news articles he's put up in the last year.



I honestly couldn't have said it better myself, and I am really glad that I'm not the only one who had been thinking this. I gave it a couple of shows, hoping that it would be a brief disagreement on ethical views, but his xenophobic attitude didn't subside and I couldn't ignore it anymore. It's disappointing to see someone I respected in the past go down that road...but what can you do? I stopped listening a few months ago.

Thank you for the thread.

[mind-scape]

AAAND I just realized that in their newest facebook post...he is promoting and emphasizing hatred toward transgendered people.
My brother is Transgender.


I'm so done with Red Ice forever.

[jerry]

History is written by the victors of war, we all understand this fact. I feel to change ones views is futile after such indoctrination of the topics discussed. For society to peer into such type of historical review an open mind is critical. Most still believe 911 was done by men in caves with box cutters, and Sandy Hook because of the strong hold TPTB have on the consciousness with the complicity of MSM. To shut it out and not even consider what may or may not have been the truth is a loss for the whole fabric of society. I myself don't feel Red Ice promotes any type of Nazism, racism (my understanding of the OP) but more of what has caused it.

[Theodora]

History is written by the victors of war, we all understand this fact. I feel to change ones views is futile after such indoctrination of the topics discussed. For society to peer into such type of historical review an open mind is critical. Most still believe 911 was done by men in caves with box cutters, and Sandy Hook because of the strong hold TPTB have on the consciousness with the complicity of MSM. To shut it out and not even consider what may or may not have been the truth is a loss for the whole fabric of society. I myself don't feel Red Ice promotes any type of Nazism, racism (my understanding of the OP) but more of what has caused it.

Hey Jerry,

I have listened to many, many shows hoping to be wrong about RIC's direction-but the logic is like this: white is black and black is white-their logic is more twisted than anyone can imagine-What is typically understood as "liberal values" to the majority of people is being reframed on RIC as "neo-conservative" and what is good about the left or Liberal values is attributed to right wing values??? The brainwashing with certain newer guests is so subtle and obvious. They will not stop the splitting of the "left and right"-they refuse to see grey and call themselves out on their own opinion-considering it fact. There is no self reflection or criticism.

Its terrible-just when you think there is a guest who is clear, honest and on point with his original argument-the psycho speak begins. Personally, I have no problem with the potential of RIC as it is, if it wasn't so twisted in its logic, agenda driven and challenged itself with a variety of perspectives. The "left" as they call it are solely responsible for the worlds woes-their first complaints were about "collectivism"-not properly understanding the term; then it became "socialism is the culprit (again, not understanding the depth of the term historically; politically; economically or culturally); then it became communism; its now morphed into 'cultural marxism' as the evil philosophy.Its ludacris to take a single precept in social philosophy as say -"this is the great Satan'-while ignoring the basic concept of limitless greed in modern (21st century) capitalism. There is no in depth or balanced understanding of the concepts as human inventions and how they actually apply to world events and structures-nor is their any criticism (at all) of the economic schools and philosophies that backed the thinking behind current economic and international policies.

The "neocon" is a term describing corporate, money driven imperialism backed by those typically with 'conservative' ie 'neo-con' or extreme right wing values ie-the military industrial complex. Henrick in one interview, went from using the term in an understandable way, to doing a 360 in one of his latest interviews and said this is a liberal or leftist attribution. ie Wolfowitz and Chaney are really Liberal or leftist. Anyone who does not have their traditional values; support a white only Europe; the end of all social programs for the poor, is a "Leftist or a Liberal"-a political category which is the great demon of everything.RIC is pure 100% brainwashing in my opinion.

I can't believe he is genuine-if he can change a term he uses so regularly in a heart beat to further destroy the basic values inherent in those who identify with "fairness'; striving for social human equality; opportunity, then is he brain damaged or is he using mind games? -its so crazy, its truly crazy. I believe he is hired by political groups/think tanks to influence youth to vote conservative in both Europe and the USA. He is aligned with these groups and has guests from these "think-tanks"-the program is mind-screwing.

[jerry]

I have to let this one sink in and maybe a bit more researching. 3 posts listed in one of the threads I listened to, the only one I had a problem with was Veronica Clark . I'm not a subscriber or even regular listener so I cant say that I see the switch to this radicalization. I do understand the power of these behind the scene manipulators. Have they gotten to Red Ice? I would hate to think so, but it still wouldn't surprise me. Myself most likely wont spend much time on it, way too many other issues and topics at the fore that currently hold my attention. Your belief he's hired to get youths to vote is an oxymoron to me because the votes in todays world are not fairly tallied, no sense to it. I feel he provides a good service as he does help pull back the curtain and has opened eyes of many . Threads as this still show how powerful the theme of divide and conquer is alive and well and thriving. Thanks for taking the time to express these views, for me I pass on any judgment of the broadcast one way or the other.

[Kubrickian]

I know it may sound like something out of a bond movie but I think Henrik and others like David Wilcock have been undermined by their new female companions. Having listened to both since the early/mid 00's I found it interesting how each of them had a wealth of information about alternative science, archaeology, ufo's etc. and then became far less productive. For Henrik you can tell all of his past great hosts have probably refused to return seeing Henriks new girlfriends agenda being in the vein of 'white' preservation. In a recent radio interview George Noory was interviewing David and you could tell his attention was diverted as he was carrying on a side conversation with a woman who took David out of character when he laughed at a serious topic question George asked.

My theory is that a lot of these whistle blower awaken the public people are probably deliberately distracted by introducing a woman of higher caliber to draw their focus and purpose away. I once greatly enjoyed these two people but find their potentiality is less than 1/10th it was before.

[Chester]

I know it may sound like something out of a bond movie but I think Henrik and others like David Wilcock have been undermined by their new female companions. Having listened to both since the early/mid 00's I found it interesting how each of them had a wealth of information about alternative science, archaeology, ufo's etc. and then became far less productive. For Henrik you can tell all of his past great hosts have probably refused to return seeing Henriks new girlfriends agenda being in the vein of 'white' preservation. In a recent radio interview George Noory was interviewing David and you could tell his attention was diverted as he was carrying on a side conversation with a woman who took David out of character when he laughed at a serious topic question George asked.

My theory is that a lot of these whistle blower awaken the public people are probably deliberately distracted by introducing a woman of higher caliber to draw their focus and purpose away. I once greatly enjoyed these two people but find their potentiality is less than 1/10th it was before.

Yes... and (when the media star is male) then imagine when "the girl" is "sent in" and it doesn't work? Division still occurs but the solid one is left standing and you see other solid ones standing with him and in time... some of the divided make it back home.

Without embarrassing anyone, I can't imagine surviving the kind of stuff I have seen a certain someone survive... I really don't know how he does it.