John Lash's Kalika war party

[Sean]

Hey all. So, I came across the writings of John Lash and his Kalika war party. first, here's the web link:
http://kalikawarparty.org/

And here's an excerpt of the manifesto:

The Kalika War Party is a planetary strike force comprised of men and women volunteers who self-select into 17 bands. A common aim unites the warriors in the Party: to strike offensively against all variations of the evil and corrupt System that works against life, truth, freedom, beauty, sanity, and the spirit of mutual aid. To this end, Kalika warriors are prepared to neutralize or eliminate the key agents who run the System at the executive levels, as well as their minions and accessories, when necessary. In this way, the KWP intends to bring down the System and prevent its recovery, once and for all.

You really need to read all of it, plus the other sections regarding tactics and organizational structure to "get it"..but I was wondering what you all thought of this? I'm not crowdsourcing my personal opinion, but I'd like for everyone to take a hard look at this, and give your thoughts.

/discuss

[yelik]

From what I know the cabal structure appears to be being dismantled bit by bit I hope. As always we need to look for evidence of this, perhaps the torture crimes and peadaphilia network will be the catalyst. They're still laying chemtrails though.

[Gordon Brian Smith]

thanks workingactor, wow it looks more like someone is creating a new religion based on having lots of tantric sex and plotting to take down the bad guys, In my own opinion it is foolish to warn your enemies of your intentions. So much for the Art of War. They are advocating War and " taking out " people they see as evil. Yes there are times to defend yourself with deadly force but this is more of justifying violence based on Gnostic myth and stories. They discriminate against gays and lesbians by saying, " you are not welcome in our main groups except if you are a bisexual woman. " " Go and start your own groups. " They are off to a really bad start in my opinion. I thought Gnostism was the belief that we wrestle not with flesh and blood, but with powers, principalities and dominions. Unseen forces of evil and negativity. They believed that tantric sex could keep the Archons away but there is a theory that these forces are feeding off our fears and sexual energies. I used violence once to try and stop something that I thought was wrong. I have learned from my mistake. I was acting in anger to protect " Gaia ". I learned that anger is a natural human feeling but our challenge is to be assertive, not aggressive or passive. Stand up to the bad guys if you dare, tell them what you really think of them. But if we kill, torture and scare them then we are not much better than they are. Yes there is power in numbers, with Avalon we are sharing our insights, experiences, knowledge and asking the big questions.

[Nasu]

Thanks for posting this. These people sound off the wall to me and I'm quite out there myself... Reading through the site they claim to be organised into 17 groups or bands as they put it. Number fourteen stood out to me as a member of Avalon, it's groups purpose seems od, to say the very least -

"14. Panecea Band. Assigned to medic division, psychedelic healing, eugenics, quest for the solution to all ills. Targets big pharma, vaccination programs, weaponized medicine, etc. Uniquely commands the power of the Janus-faced serpent and confers it on others."

Janus was a two faced god, a two faced man, nothing to do with serpents, a contrary if you like, so anything with Janus power is the opposite to what it represents... Never mind the use of the word eugenics... Anyhoo, as Gordon correctly mentioned, no one declares war like this anymore, not after the age of fifteen.. Old Sun Zu is rolling in his grave with laughter, unless of course this declaration is deception, in which case Sun Zu would applaud with vigour. Either way it stinks. If the members are self appointed and self organising and acting independently, who chooses whether a target is valid for extermination or not??? Never mind the mention of directed energy type weapons -

"The primary weapon of termination in the KWP is the Kalika lethal strike, a ritual method of killing at a distance, APA, “in the absence of physical agency.” Using this ritual, the Kalika strikes with no physical contact with the target, no intermediary, and no detectable weapon such as a gun, knife, explosive, etc. Application of the lethal strike is mandatory for the five bands of the first two ranks, and optional for all other bands. Anyone in the Party can use it, but due to the nature of the enemies to be engaged, these five front bands have to use it to accomplish their assignments and eliminate targets. Other members of the Party who opt out of this practice can participate without taking life, using forms of peaceful aggression such as dissent, sabotage, attack on lies, demolition of social agendas of deceit and division, and so forth."

Not too many groups on earth today can claim such distanced attack capabilities... I wonder how they got their hands on such, or is it merely dark magic as is being claimed... Not the kind of thing one would expect to hear from a warrior on the path to wholeness...

Put all this into a new age hodgepodge of religious warlike symbology from India to Ancient Greece and on to North American Indian beleafs and you have the Kalika War Party. Amusingly they seem to use these historical symbols and words as a semblance of authority for the members to destroy all religions, amongst other groups..

I call BS on this, from every perspective. Did some one say organised opposition?.. My humble opinion..... N

[Sierra]

John Lash is one of the most confused guru wanna be's I've ever come across. He claims to be channeling the divine feminine, yet he hates and loathes entire sub sets of Gaia's human beings with enthusiasm and self righteousness.

If the word "war" (and wtf is up with "war party"? War, a party? Hello?) is claimed as part of a name, do not walk, run. It has nothing to do with the divine feminine.

'Kali Ma says, “Either you are party to my supernatural magic, or you are rubble.”'

Rubbleling away happily lol...

[Nasu]

John Lash is one of the most confused guru wanna be's I've ever come across. He claims to be channeling the divine feminine, yet he hates and loathes entire sub sets of Gaia's human beings with enthusiasm and self righteousness.

If the word "war" (and wtf is up with "war party"? War, a party? Hello?) is claimed as part of a name, do not walk, run. It has nothing to do with the divine feminine.

'Kali Ma says, “Either you are party to my supernatural magic, or you are rubble.”'

Rubbleling away happily lol...

You said it, not my kind of party... Rubbleling off with you...x... N

[Becky]

What does Rubbleling mean? lol :-)

[Nasu]

What does Rubbleling mean? lol :-)

It only makes sense if you had read the thread.. N

[Sierra]

What does Rubbleling mean? lol :-)

As in ...

'Kali Ma says, “Either you are party to my supernatural magic, or you are rubble.”'

Quoted from the website. :)

[Becky]

Thanks Nasu and Sierra, don't they mean muggle - sorry ;-)

[WhiteLove]

Trying to take down the cabal with violence is just about the most stupid thing a man can do: 1) True truth warriors do not battle with violence, 2) If violence is used the cabal is going to win. The power of truth warriors lies in their strong connection to and striving towards unconditional love. The universe strives towards completion and when a lower intelligence positively oriented race collectively calls for help towards unconditional love and peace on earth, help is already on the way. It is about collectively in love do what we can do with the power of love and truth and join forces with Jesus and positively oriented higher intelligence ETs/angels to win that battle... and then we are going to win...

[Hanson]

In the battle of good versus evil, is the reason evil triumphs so consistently because good thinks unconditional love will save the day? Unconditional love is not going to do squat against the forces of evil. It's easy to criticize people who suggest fighting evil on its own terms, in the only way that evil understands. It's much harder to come up with a realistic plan to defend good against evil, or better yet, a plan to defeat evil consistently. At least John Lash is attempting such a plan. Are we doing as much? Since when did looking for a way to fight evil become evil?

[Sierra]

In the battle of good versus evil, is the reason evil triumphs so consistently because good thinks unconditional love will save the day? Unconditional love is not going to do squat against the forces of evil. It's easy to criticize people who suggest fighting evil on its own terms, in the only way that evil understands. It's much harder to come up with a realistic plan to defend good against evil, or better yet, a plan to defeat evil consistently. At least John Lash is attempting such a plan. Are we doing as much? Since when did looking for a way to fight evil become evil?

I don't think evil triumphs "so consistently" at all. I think dharma or "Good always prevails." And I don't think that means "unconditional love" at all.

Consistency or perhaps a more appropriate word, integrity, is very important. The ends do not justify the means used to get there.

[Nasu]

In the battle of good versus evil, is the reason evil triumphs so consistently because good thinks unconditional love will save the day? Unconditional love is not going to do squat against the forces of evil. It's easy to criticize people who suggest fighting evil on its own terms, in the only way that evil understands. It's much harder to come up with a realistic plan to defend good against evil, or better yet, a plan to defeat evil consistently. At least John Lash is attempting such a plan. Are we doing as much? Since when did looking for a way to fight evil become evil?

I agree completely. However, fighting evil with evil is not the way. A poorly conceaved and openly disclosed plan to destroy evil will be as effective as our drone strikes are. There are countless positive plans available for people to embrace, self sustainable living, for example. Their plan stinks, for every reason, in my opinion.

I swing more towards your militant viewpoint than a Gandhi esque approach, however, if our militant warlike plans and skills are required by the wider populous. I personally won't be using them to defend anything that is not based on love and peace and the so called sacred feminin... Love has to be the new way, otherwise its no better than what we have now.

Mind you, saying that, I might have to reappraise my understanding of the sacred feminin if this lot have based their manifesto for total war on it... I agree we all need to make our own contingency plans and preps, but I disagree that we all need to mobilise over the web and pull the temple walls down upon ourselves... N

[Sean]

In the battle of good versus evil, is the reason evil triumphs so consistently because good thinks unconditional love will save the day? Unconditional love is not going to do squat against the forces of evil. It's easy to criticize people who suggest fighting evil on its own terms, in the only way that evil understands. It's much harder to come up with a realistic plan to defend good against evil, or better yet, a plan to defeat evil consistently. At least John Lash is attempting such a plan. Are we doing as much? Since when did looking for a way to fight evil become evil?

It's tempting to fight fire with fire. However, letting everyone on the entire planet know that you're forming a group to fight evil and kill people, regardless of how you do it, and who may deserve it(and, if you read the site carefully, he doesn't exactly rule out PHYSICAL assassination, just focuses on magickal assassination), is about the most tactically stupid thing imaginable. Only controlled opposition would do this. get some loners/losers all hyped up with a mishmash of imagery, borrow from a bunch of esoteric traditions, fashion up this BS, maybe get a few "warriors" to do something stupid, like, actually hurt someone, and off we go. I listened to that interview, it's embedded in the other Lash thread. oy vey.

its a shame, because we really do need some "white hats" these days. But this guy and his "warriors" ain't it.

[Shezbeth]

I see the 'party' of discussing the KWP has already begun w/out me! No matter. Alot of good points here, but to start it off I'm going to respond to,....


In the battle of good versus evil, is the reason evil triumphs so consistently because good thinks unconditional love will save the day? Unconditional love is not going to do squat against the forces of evil. It's easy to criticize people who suggest fighting evil on its own terms, in the only way that evil understands. It's much harder to come up with a realistic plan to defend good against evil, or better yet, a plan to defeat evil consistently. At least John Lash is attempting such a plan. Are we doing as much? Since when did looking for a way to fight evil become evil?

I agree, for the most part; in fact all but the last 3 sentences.

I agree that - let us call them - 'more assertive' means are necessary to combat the controllers. I have personally advocated such (subtly) for quite some time now. However, I have to agree with Gordo (can I call you Gordo?) on this one; ninjas - especially metaphysical ninjas - really shouldn't make a habit of announcing their literal intentions, especially when talking about killing. This looks to me like a sensationalist cult with a fixation on sex, and groups like this are how the government agents justify encroachments on liberty. Moreover, the 'war party' has just handed the govts - on a silver platter no less - a brand new and 'exciting' flag to fly for their next false-flag venture.

Nasu, I'll see your BS call and raise you. IMO, any good that comes of this venture will be minimal and short lived. I'm not seeking to be negative - I hope they are successful! - but this reeks of poor strategy in the least and a 'dissident mining (fishing?) operation (expedition?)' in the extreme. Moreover, even if it isn't the latter, I'd wager it'll be used as one! At Burning Man, there is a wealth of local, county, and state law enforcement officials; they're not trying to entirely stop the drug use, they're just fishing for the stupid ones.

Ninjas who wish to be successful don't post websites declaring their intention to kill, destroy, etc.; again, my opinion.

Having said, I suggest that dealing with predatory individuals and groups will require much more than hugs and good feels. Besides, one can love their opponent while they destroy them,....

My position is that individuals will need to become spiritual warriors, but sovereign and independent and not collectivized or - even worse - publicized. A dirtying of hands is called for,... but this isn't it.

[amor]

But who will bell the cat?

[Julian]

Well having listened to two hours of John Lash yesterday I was able to recognize the general contours of how he has operationalized his narrative into the "War Party".

Really there isn't much to say. His ideas seemed confused and self referential, a mish mash of concepts, feelings and strident self importance. Don't get the sense that he has a real evolved grasp on the energetic world that once again seems pieced together from different sources.

The emphasis on sexual stands out in a strange way. I get the feeling this war party of his is intended to become a multi generational life style. Personally the mentor teacher dynamic and emphasis on woman being open to men feels creepy and conjures up stories of girls in Tunisia volunteering to be part of a sexual Jihad in Syria. I've yet to hear those kind of stories working out positively for the women involved but somehow the pattern keeps getting played out.

The most interesting question of course is how this will play out in tangible terms. He wants to take down the pedophiles and psychopaths yet his background appears to be one of an academic lecturer who interacts mostly with people who hold him in high esteem. Mixing it up with the bad boys, terrestrial and otherwise, is likely to be a new experience. We'll see how this plays out for him over time.

Good luck John, keep good notes and when you are ready throw them all away.

[Sean]

Well having listened to two hours of John Lash yesterday I was able to recognize the general contours of how he has operationalized his narrative into the "War Party".

Really there isn't much to say. His ideas seemed confused and self referential, a mish mash of concepts, feelings and strident self importance. Don't get the sense that he has a real evolved grasp on the energetic world that once again seems pieced together from different sources.

The emphasis on sexual stands out in a strange way. I get the feeling this war party of his is intended to become a multi generational life style. Personally the mentor teacher dynamic and emphasis on woman being open to men feels creepy and conjures up stories of girls in Tunisia volunteering to be part of a sexual Jihad in Syria. I've yet to hear those kind of stories working out positively for the women involved but somehow the pattern keeps getting played out.

The most interesting question of course is how this will play out in tangible terms. He wants to take down the pedophiles and psychopaths yet his background appears to be one of an academic lecturer who interacts mostly with people who hold him in high esteem. Mixing it up with the bad boys, terrestrial and otherwise, is likely to be a new experience. We'll see how this plays out for him over time.

Good luck John, keep good notes and when you are ready throw them all away.


Agree. Thing is, this is not a new idea. I used to belong to this group, years ago: http://www.northernway.org/school/templars.html

And, with this group, I can tell you we did astral traveling as a group. One "mission" in particular, we were protecting some people in Chad..this was when Darfur was a thing, a few years back. we did our ritual, "traveled" and cast a shield of light over the refugees. I was physically sick for a week after that, the effort drained me, and, it was my first experience that showed me these things were possible. so, KWP works as a concept..but we never tried to whack anyone via magick. Also, Lash's ego is quite off-putting. It's a bit frustrating because, based on my prior experiences, there's a core functionality in KWP that could be effective..but I hesitate to follow Lash into battle. For those who question whether group-based spiritual warfare can work, I can tell you it does.

Not at all sure that it'll work with THIS guy, though.

[Julian]

Interesting, I do see the strong similarities. Yet the whole concept of warfare on this level seems bound up with control, passion and some element of intense "bonding" that borders on "possession" in the general sense of that word. It certainly has a quality of spell casting about it, but that carries a flavor of bondage and manipulation at the same time. Ugh, just doesn't resonate with me.

I had considerable interaction with the people at the Sliver Legion for quite a while. They consider themselves Light warriors yet I never felt this sense that one had to be some for someone else in order to contribute. Relationship evolved naturally and respectfully or not at all yet members seemed to serve according to their natural gifts and aptitudes.

[dim]

But somebody has to do it.
It serves the purpose of a stepping stone towards completion for those walking that path
there's a multitude of freedom expressions out there and each one thinks of itself as the be all and end all
yet sooner than later is realized that even this didn't work out that well and we are out to find what's the next big thing
this one ? i give it max two years before it dissipates in to thin air, internal disputes and skirmishes will weaken it before it sprouts in to anything substantial
and that's the deal with every movement unless that basic Ego dysfunctions (or Archontic influences if you like) are being dealt with
the matrix will repair itself faster than light and before anyone could even notice and suddenly we find ourselves in square one dreaming about changing the world again
but we wouldn't be moving if we didn't get entrapped in the first place for there's no prison without a cage.

We stumble, we overgrow, we mature
let us kids play, we can't learn otherwise.

[eaglespirit]

Just a note, Max is a bit more 'there' with this, imho!

Max Igan, Creating the New Tribe

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3596-Up-At-The-Ranch-And-Beyond&p=919030&viewfull=1#post919030

[ulli]

There are so many people now doing their "bit", each according to their level of consciousness.
Even Kevin Annett, who is being decried now even more than John Lash and who I suspect was doing something along similar lines, and was using his magical powers of manifestation by decreeing in writing in legal language what he wished for, without spelling out that fact the way John Lash is now doing.
But all this "doing", all this need for action, will manifest opponents from the opposite camp, and the action conscious will then become martyrs. And if they continue despite the dangers which face them, they deserve our respect and gratitude.
There are several people who (in my opinion) are close to doing it right, right here on Avalon. Don't want to blow their cover by mentioning names.

[Hazel]

Gordon needs congratulating for his response to John Lash's Kalika war party!

"Thanks workingactor, wow it looks more like someone is creating a new religion based on having lots of tantric sex and plotting to take down the bad guys, In my own opinion it is foolish to warn your enemies of your intentions. So much for the Art of War. They are advocating War and " taking out " people they see as evil. Yes there are times to defend yourself with deadly force but this is more of justifying violence based on Gnostic myth and stories. They discriminate against gays and lesbians by saying, " you are not welcome in our main groups except if you are a bisexual woman. " " Go and start your own groups. " They are off to a really bad start in my opinion. I thought Gnostism was the belief that we wrestle not with flesh and blood, but with powers, principalities and dominions. Unseen forces of evil and negativity. They believed that tantric sex could keep the Archons away but there is a theory that these forces are feeding off our fears and sexual energies. I used violence once to try and stop something that I thought was wrong. I have learned from my mistake. I was acting in anger to protect " Gaia ". I learned that anger is a natural human feeling but our challenge is to be assertive, not aggressive or passive. Stand up to the bad guys if you dare, tell them what you really think of them. But if we kill, torture and scare them then we are not much better than they are. Yes there is power in numbers, with Avalon we are sharing our insights, experiences, knowledge and asking the big questions."

So this is JL's War Party mongering: http://kalikawarparty.org/manifesto/

JL is cleverly calling on the Archetype, while claiming authority over the knowledge he researched. Like anyone else with an agenda, John is cherry picking his intel’ and what he brings to the table:
“The KWP emerges as a resurgence and remolding of the Eurocentric Arthurian tradition, deployed now on a planetary scale. Why and how it is the Arthurian warrior ideal that now returns, shapeshifted into the KWP, becomes clear as the warriors assemble, recognize each other, and undertake their missions.”

“The KWP recognizes that evil is a social construction that arises due to human error, envy, and deceit. Evil is not a cosmic force but purely a local human affair. Overcoming evil in the social order is the responsibility of those who dare to act on conscience, not expecting others to do it for them. Failure of conscience puts society on the course to corruption and self-destruction. This existential view of responsibility held by one person at a time is integral to the principles and operations of the Party.

Act as if all humanity had its eyes upon you, and were guiding itself by what you do.

Jean-Paul Sartre

Nevertheless, Kalika warriors also recognize a supernatural and extra-human factor at play in the world-wide battle now underway. Somehow, an alien force intrudes upon the human mind and intervenes in human affairs, taking advantage of the evil done by humans and worsening it beyond the scale of correction. This intrusion comes from the Archontic factor described in Gnostic writings found in 1945 in Egypt. Kalika warriors heed the unparalleled insights of the Gnostics, intellectual shamans of the Pagan Mysteries, and doing so, they do not require other or different explanations for the alien problem.”

‘We’ as individuals and AF members are here because we hear an inner call to rally, heal, expose and oppose. Each of us standing in our own sovereignty need to balance JL's authoritarian, aggressive modus operandi with what we intuit experientially from the platform of our own expression of gnost. Gnosticism is no longer preserved as a distanced 'calling' in the realm of esoteric mysticism. It's a living energetic book being written in any of us that practice The Way of the Heart.

JL invokes Sophia to 'his' vision in this: “The KWP protects the Grail and its Company, witnesses to the luminous splendor of the wisdom goddess, Sophia. Kalikas are fearless warriors of many lands and languages, supported and guided by the genuine powers of the Supernatural. Intending love, war, and magic—the threefold Kalika Vow—they lead the human species from problem into solution.”

“Love, war and magic”… a continuation of the manipulations of the lie that feeds paternal need for power if ever l saw it! :|

The act of co-opting this in his manifesto, is tantemount to the disgrace and betrayal of the Divine Feminine: “The Wisdom Goddess dreamed humanity out of the cosmic plenitude, the Pleroma, and plunged from the cosmic center, turning herself into the very world where we could become what she imagines. The optimal human future is dreaming Sophia.”

Not in His Image (2006), Chapter 10, "The Fallen Goddess Scenario"

My caution being that John Lash is misrepresenting Sophia in a skewed weaving, that subserves a complex and conflicted intellectualised ego, drenched in anger.

[Christine]

While preparing for an interview with John Lash several of us were prepared to work with him.. having been so drawn into his Sophianic myth. Our work as planetary healers had verified for us the reality of Gaia/ Sophia and Her responses. We felt strongly that we had met an ally who would finally Honor the Divine Feminine and help bring Her eminence to all LIVING BEINGS.

So to read John Lash's KWP treatise is a bitter pill to swallow... the male dominant ego is in full bloom squashing out all voices of reason and compassion. It is like a big black boot grinding into the very hallowed Earth he claims to protect.

What cries SHE is this barbarous call for war, who cries SHE is he that was once gifted with her abundance would want to lay to wreck HER works?

Where is the TRUE male of HONOR and PEACE?

So in speaking I share here the composition of Harmonies and Workings we laid at John Lash's door and the ones he disregarded in his vindictive arrogance.

And to this brother I say.. You know not what you do, so swallowed in the VERY POWER you abhor. This outpouring is of your own soul and the mirror you wish to avoid.





- The Emergent Interpretative Dance of Consciousness –

A homage for the Planetary Healers Group who receive transmissions from their co-creation with Gaia-Sophia via live feed:

Gathering in the name of the highest good and the might of Divine Love, we work to liberate Gaia-Sophia and humankind from the pernicious programming that has been entrenched over centuries by the worlds powers that corrupt. These alliances with the multi-dimensional dark minions that infest, threaten and imprison Life must be fiercely and courageously intuited, revealed and challenged.

Each manifestation of this evil sway once seen is transitioned in a process of attunement with its unique layering aspects that prompt a conscious release and deep healing. Our work with natural resonances of life giving beauty and our own attunement is an amplified projection that acts homeopathically returning harmonic resonance to dissonance, to diseased states and cancels non-organic manipulations, including AI and other presences.

Importantly, any real freedom is completed with a reinstallation of the sovereignty of free will, a choice made in full conscious recall. The process opens the way for the being to be shown that it can choose to return to the source of whence ‘it’ came, or to take up the invitation to find sanctuary amongst the many that have chosen to stay in the Earth realms in order to assist with Gaia’s liberation of Herself and ALL Beings that are awakening unto Her.

At this time, SHE has returned to the long awaited prime position of the center of our galaxy, this placement being the gateway for her return to her cosmic origins. In our emergent remembering, we are aligned with the ancient Gnostic cosmological knowing… that as the manifest marriage of flesh and spirit, we are the Life keys gifted to us by Gaia-Sophia.

Our mission is to grow in this emergent knowing, to share its essential Truth and to continue to honor our path of re-union with the Divine Feminine.

NO LONGER IN OUR NAME

[regnak]

You cannot fight evil why because thinking of it makes it bigger in your experience and that it is what life is about . If you do not agree ignore it an if it is truly very bad Destroy it if you can.

We are vibration beings not karma what you are you experience for that is the only way we learn every reality happens but we get to choose what we experience what are you choosing to experience. :p

[Sunny-side-up]

thanks workingactor, wow it looks more like someone is creating a new religion based on having lots of tantric sex and plotting to take down the bad guys, In my own opinion it is foolish to warn your enemies of your intentions. So much for the Art of War. They are advocating War and " taking out " people they see as evil. Yes there are times to defend yourself with deadly force but this is more of justifying violence based on Gnostic myth and stories. They discriminate against gays and lesbians by saying, " you are not welcome in our main groups except if you are a bisexual woman. " " Go and start your own groups. " They are off to a really bad start in my opinion. I thought Gnostism was the belief that we wrestle not with flesh and blood, but with powers, principalities and dominions. Unseen forces of evil and negativity. They believed that tantric sex could keep the Archons away but there is a theory that these forces are feeding off our fears and sexual energies. I used violence once to try and stop something that I thought was wrong. I have learned from my mistake. I was acting in anger to protect " Gaia ". I learned that anger is a natural human feeling but our challenge is to be assertive, not aggressive or passive. Stand up to the bad guys if you dare, tell them what you really think of them. But if we kill, torture and scare them then we are not much better than they are. Yes there is power in numbers, with Avalon we are sharing our insights, experiences, knowledge and asking the big questions.

Bumping ;)

[regnak]

Every reality happens for everyone.

How to change the outcome if you behave correctly you get the right result your reality will change to that reality every second we change reality. The reality we change from still exists it goes on .

See it.
Feel it
Be it.
touch it.
hear it.

must be strong or steady why because your current reality still exists

if you argue you will argue more its the vibration calm is also necessary relax let it go there is always a solution it is you for truly only you exist everything else is a expression of you . you become what you are .

best luck.

[karelia]

Profound truth, my friend.

Indeed, that treatise is a bitter pill to swallow… Just another one added to the countless ones already handed out, or should I say force fed.

It is one thing to use and an entirely different one to abuse.

When words stand in direct opposition to action, when sharing a message turns into bullying, when lust is mistaken for Love, then it is no wonder that honor is missing entirely.


Where is the TRUE male of HONOR and PEACE?

Where indeed…? Buried in the depths beneath an ego that has long since gone entirely unchecked, further fed by the refusal to look in the mirror, unreservedly growing like knotweed with no Round-Up in sight, making it impossible to see their own shortcomings, blinding them to the inevitable fact that the Correction will take place regardless of their failing. Such is the beauty of this Universe; what will happen will happen because there are enough failsafes installed to ensure transformation as opposed to destruction that nothing can thwart Her plan.

One may try to reduce the Sacred Isle of Avalon where She is honored to yet another grey, nay colorless seat of patriarchy, one may reject the Divine Feminine, but beware: one day one may be rejected by Her as the opposing principle of nurturing, beauty, Love that has no place in the Divine.

The Divine Feminine is rising, readying herself to bring about Sophia’s correction. Now would be a good time to accept it and act accordingly.

[Sunny-side-up]

Every reality happens for everyone.

How to change the outcome if you behave correctly you get the right result your reality will change to that reality every second we change reality. The reality we change from still exists it goes on .

See it.
Feel it
Be it.
touch it.
hear it.

must be strong or steady why because your current reality still exists

if you argue you will argue more its the vibration calm is also necessary relax let it go there is always a solution it is you for truly only you exist everything else is a expression of you . you become what you are .

best luck.

Another bump from me ;)

I think the more that people awaken and see what is going on, the more said people then concentrate and align them-selves, align their Hearts as an opposition to the PTW the effects will be seen, as they are being seen right as we speak.

By doing this we are not doing nothing, we start to use our clean-good potential-powers!
As more and more people awake and align the more the negative space for negative energy is denied, it's is in the physical-negative where the strong hold of the PTW can be found, so starve them out, don't give them any more power or justified reason to use negative-energy. That way the more they do use-we haven't called for. the more they use the more they weaken if we don't replenish them!!

[Becky]

I am really glad this topic is being discussed and not being lost as some important but seemingly abstract topics are. When I first read the website I was quite literally stunned. Stunned and confused. Not because I'm stupid, I hope, but because of the horribly conflicting energies of the words. I quite literally could not make head nor tail of them because as Christine and Karelia and others are pointing out, this man seems to originally come from a place of honouring the divine feminine them moves on to a place of using tantric sex (between only heterosexual couples only - why?) to create sex magic to target/obliterate evil people/creatures.
This is why I could only initially respond by taking the mickey on the websites description of non-magical people - calling them rubbles. I hope I didn't offend anyone with my comments.
As someone who honours the Divine Feminine I cannot understand the rubbish that has been written on that site. And I will never accept the rationale of fighting evil with evil. Strong negativity can only be diluted or balanced with strong positivity. Pure evil can be balanced out with pure Love. You cannot fight fire with fire - so why are people still trying?

[ghostrider]

Every reality happens for everyone.

How to change the outcome if you behave correctly you get the right result your reality will change to that reality every second we change reality. The reality we change from still exists it goes on .

See it.
Feel it
Be it.
touch it.
hear it.

must be strong or steady why because your current reality still exists

if you argue you will argue more its the vibration calm is also necessary relax let it go there is always a solution it is you for truly only you exist everything else is a expression of you . you become what you are .

best luck.

Another bump from me ;)

I think the more that people awaken and see what is going on, the more said people then concentrate and align them-selves, align their Hearts as an opposition to the PTW the effects will be seen, as they are being seen right as we speak.

By doing this we are not doing nothing, we start to use our clean-good potential-powers!
As more and more people awake and align the more the negative space for negative energy is denied, it's is in the physical-negative where the strong hold of the PTW can be found, so starve them out, don't give them any more power or justified reason to use negative-energy. That way the more they do use-we haven't called for. the more they use the more they weaken if we don't replenish them!!

well said ... our thinking , our actions , our decisions will have a huge impact ... the real battle is for the mind/thoughts of each human being ... your words gave me a rush of energy , with respect thank you for that ... I am in awe of your thinking ...

[Maia Gabrial]

Right now, there's such an imbalance of negativity and darkness in our world, that it's going to require the Light to do some hard hitting to defeat them, imo. Since when is it evil to that?

[gripreaper]

Now that the Aeon Sophia has raised up in consciousness here at Avalon, which is possibly the most important energy and discussion we have had in years, it pains me to see the discourse dissolve into the character of one messenger John Lash and his interpretation of how to deal with the Archonic parasite.

I don't want to lose sight of the imminent importance of recognizing the essence of the divine feminine and how it is manifest in the very earth we stand on as the consciousness of the Aeon Sophia. THIS is the salient point and the implications of this.

This truth is the very truth which the Archon's have spent centuries destroying and hiding because this truth is what brings balance back to creation and gives us our power to manifest empathic compassionate consciousness. So let's be clear about a few things without shooting the messenger.

1. The Archonic manifestation is NOT part of the collective dream of Sophia and IS NOT part of the first cause of creation, of the empathic sentient souls who can emote in a body and feel in their cells. Archon's are an EFFECT of creation and are NOT human, have no sentience, cannot emote or feel, and are NOT 3rd density bodies. They are aberrant anomalous parasites. John Lash is correct about this.

2. These parasites feed off discordant life force energy. Life force energy is also called Chi, prana, kundalini, and sexual energy. The high resonance of harmonic life force gives us our power and the Archon's cannot vampire our energy when we are in the harmonious state of grace, compassion and empathy. The highest expression of this state is when two souls join in union. John Lash is also correct about this.

3. The expression of high resonant life force in empathic humanity to neutralize disharmonic Archonic resonance in the astral, manifest as an artificial intelligence which is manipulating and controlling creation on the very body of Sophia, is NOT and act of war in the classic sense here in the third dimesnion.

4. Those sentient souls who have severed their humanity, sold their souls, and have chosen to align themselves with the Archonic energy, who no longer have the capacity to feel, have calcified their hearts and have dismembered themselves from any emotive abilities of an empath, how do we deal with them?

War is such a divisive and ingrained meme and the idea of warriors taking out these human psychopathic parasites seems harsh. I would prefer to put them on their spaceships and send them back to where they came from, and take all their cronies with them, but would that be fair to other sentient beings in the universe to release a virus on them? That is what they are, simply a pathogenic virus.

We could let Sophia take care of the problem herself and shake off the parasitic fleas when she gets too itchy. We can also stop feeding the parasites. We can stop playing the games that these psychopathic interlopers have trapped us in, but I don't see much of that happening. Commerce seems to roll right along.

Let's discuss the pure essence of how we help rid Sophia of this parasite.

[Becky]

Now that the Aeon Sophia has raised up in consciousness here at Avalon, which is possibly the most important energy and discussion we have had in years, it pains me to see the discourse dissolve into the character of one messenger John Lash and his interpretation of how to deal with the Archonic parasite.

I don't want to lose sight of the imminent importance of recognizing the essence of the divine feminine and how it is manifest in the very earth we stand on as the consciousness of the Aeon Sophia. THIS is the salient point and the implications of this.

This truth is the very truth which the Archoin's have spent centuries destroying and hiding because this truth is what brings balance back to creation and gives us our power to manifest empathic compassionate consciousness. So let's be clear about a few things without shooting the messenger.

1. The Archonic manifestation is NOT part of the collective dream of Sophia and IS NOT part of the first cause of creation, of the empathic sentient souls who can emote in a body and feel in their cells. Archon's are aan EFFECT of creation ad are NOT human, have no sentience, cannot emote or feel, and are NOT 3rd density bodies. They are aberrant anomalous parasites. John Lash is correct about this.

2. These parasites feed off discordant life force energy. Life force energy is also called Chi, prana, kundalini, and sexual energy. The high resonance of harmonic life force gives us our power and the Archon's cannot vampire our energy when we are in the harmonious state of grace, compassion and empathy. The highest expression of this state is when two souls join in union. John Lash is also correct about this.

3. The expression of high resonant life force in empathic humanity to neutralize disharmonic Archonic resonance in the astral, manifest as an artificial intelligence which is manipulating and controlling creation on the very body of Sophia, is NOT and act of war in the classic sense here in the third dimesnion.

4. Those sentient souls who have severed their humanity, sold their souls, and have chosen to align themselves with the Archonic energy, who no longer have the capacity to feel, have calcified their hearts and have dismembered themselves from any emotive abilities of an empath, how do we deal with them?

War is such a divisive and ingrained meme and the idea of warriors taking out these human psychopathic parasites seems harsh. I would prefer to put them on their spaceships and send them back to where they came from, and take all their cronies with them, but would that be fair to other sentient beings in the universe to release a virus on them? That is what they are, simply a pathogenic virus.

We could let Sophia take care of the problem herself and shake off the parasitic fleas when she gets too itchy. We can also stop feeding the parasites. We can stop playing the games that these psychopathic interlopers have trapped us in, but I don't see much of that happening. Commerce seems to roll right along.

Let's discuss the pure essence of how we help rid Sophia of this parasite.

Thank you!

[Sunny-side-up]

Right now, there's such an imbalance of negativity and darkness in our world, that it's going to require the Light to do some hard hitting to defeat them, imo. Since when is it evil to that?

Something to aid you Maia Gabrial:

Sorry I can't find the actual Avalon post or other info but!
A vast majority of the evil doers minions are not real, they are avatars and or mind controlled sleepers!
The energy needed to control and perpetuate said minions is tremendous effort for the PTW, do you see where i'm going with this replies!

There was an Avalon Post that quoted only a small amount of beings on this planet are actually Humans, I think ill reverse that and say, there are only a small amount of the PTW, and their minions will crumble as the PTW looses more and more energy!

we are REAL, we are Awake, We can only get Stronger with intent, this is true because I will never go Dark-Energy so from this side of the vale or the other ill always be Bright-energy intent and focus!

And the more of us that think and act and practice this the faster the PTW will shrivel up and have to leave!

PS: this is also why the subject of (the White -Light-Trap is such importance, we need keep together and keep knowledge)

[Bill Ryan]

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A small amount of backstory here. As Christine mentioned in her post #25 above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78630-John-Lash-s-Kalika-war-party&p=919093&viewfull=1#post919093), an interview was recorded with John Lash at the end of October 2014. I was supportive of the interview (I had originally made contact with him), and had agreed to edit it so it could be published as a 'Faces of Avalon' interview.

As I started the editing, listening to the recording as I did so, I became first more and more concerned, and then horrified. I told the other mods, categorically, but as gently as possible, that I was absolutely not prepared to release this under Avalon's name.

Lash came across as arrogant, domineering, pontificating, uninterested in anyone's views but his own, completely unloving (although he used the word 'love' quite a lot), and in fact, to the contrary, appeared full of hate.

He repeatedly referred to the 'Jewmans' (or 'Jumans) and referred to Moslems in Europe as 'cockroaches'. Those were his words. I have the audio, and so do others.

He stands for rage, division, conflict, war and prejudice — the opposite of all Avalon's values (and, as I understand them, Sophia's). So I'm most grateful that all those involved, to their considerable credit, who were at first most enthusiastic about the prospect of an interview, all agree about the serious nature of the problem.

If it had been published, Avalon would have been publicly pilloried for apparently endorsing these extreme views, and it would have torn the forum apart.

There was an infiltrating intention for that to occur... I and others could feel it. Here's the rub: it was clear to me that John Lash was the one who was Archontically infected. I meant that seriously at the time, and that's still my view.

[Christine]

Dear Grip..

Nothing more or less to add to your words.. other than to forge the passage. The balance point keeps tipping and I long for the clear light of freedom.

Yes, lets discuss the pure Essence that is Sophia and the very force that is our own essence. I am mostly passion... Each of us adds our tone, our essence to this symphony that wants to play in the spheres.

I invite, evoke the visionary memes and liberating soul longings ... the quest.

Taking this cry to the highest tonality. That is our task if we accept it.

I am oft to speak higher than I can reach but by doing so I challenge the very core of me to reach.

With love,
Christine

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Here is the recent Red Ice interview on this topic.

John Lash - Kalika War Party: Reemergence of the Warrior Class
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2014/12/RIR-141226.php


Hurritt

[SilentFeathers]

There was an infiltrating intention for that to occur... I and others could feel it. Here's the rub: it was clear to me that John Lash was the one who was Archontically infected. I meant that seriously at the time, and that's still my view.

Seems we have seen this happen to a few great minds and researchers over the past few years....once they tip to far there really is no return way back for them it seems....

[ulli]

The dark pit is just as endless as the stairway to heaven. Looking into it changes people, it affects them in mysterious ways. People change for the worse, as a result. Nietzsche said something to that effect.
Avalonians need to be careful, too, or we will not see the full picture.
The truth is that there are dual processes at work, and some of those processes are truly wonderful and miraculous.
Maybe JLL lost sight of that end of the spectrum.

[Shezbeth]

Right now, there's such an imbalance of negativity and darkness in our world, that it's going to require the Light to do some hard hitting to defeat them, imo. Since when is it evil to that?

Agreed, and I suggest that this is where the divine Masculine - the true Masculine - comes into play, in conjunction with the divine Feminine. I have always admired Credo Mutwa's recounting of the methodology of the Zulu before, during, and after war; they did not love, appreciate, nor revel in war, rather his words indicate that they quite detested the practice. This does not mean they were unwilling to wage it, and rout their opponents as quickly and effectively as possible; recognize too that the female leaders were the generals and strategists of these ventures.

Personally, I appreciate the perceptions and declarations of the Planetary Healers group, but I disagree with many of their conclusions and positions. A reemergence of the divine Feminine is out of balance if it excludes the presence of the divine Masculine, and vice versa. As Ulli has pointed out (and Christine - that post 'above' was awesome!) however everyone has their individual part to play in this equation, working against the opponent(s) from differing flanks and fronts to meet in the middle in victory.

As I have said, a dirtying of hands is necessary (for the record, I'm talking about 'going to work' not 'blood') which includes both passive, active, and yes metaphysical resistance and assertiveness. Another clarification, it is with the force of love that one destroys one's opponent; love for one's self, love for those who otherwise can't/won't resist, and yes love of one's opponent. To answer your question Maia, evil is a subjective perception until such a time as one outgrows it and recognizes the truth of the idea; evil - like so many things in this reality - is just another illusion.

The opponent is not evil,... but it is unacceptable. Those who engage the opponent aren't evil either, they're simply getting their hands dirty.

[Sunny-side-up]

Now that the Aeon Sophia has raised up in consciousness here at Avalon, which is possibly the most important energy and discussion we have had in years, it pains me to see the discourse dissolve into the character of one messenger John Lash and his interpretation of how to deal with the Archonic parasite.

I don't want to lose sight of the imminent importance of recognizing the essence of the divine feminine and how it is manifest in the very earth we stand on as the consciousness of the Aeon Sophia. THIS is the salient point and the implications of this.

This truth is the very truth which the Archoin's have spent centuries destroying and hiding because this truth is what brings balance back to creation and gives us our power to manifest empathic compassionate consciousness. So let's be clear about a few things without shooting the messenger.

1. The Archonic manifestation is NOT part of the collective dream of Sophia and IS NOT part of the first cause of creation, of the empathic sentient souls who can emote in a body and feel in their cells. Archon's are aan EFFECT of creation ad are NOT human, have no sentience, cannot emote or feel, and are NOT 3rd density bodies. They are aberrant anomalous parasites. John Lash is correct about this.

2. These parasites feed off discordant life force energy. Life force energy is also called Chi, prana, kundalini, and sexual energy. The high resonance of harmonic life force gives us our power and the Archon's cannot vampire our energy when we are in the harmonious state of grace, compassion and empathy. The highest expression of this state is when two souls join in union. John Lash is also correct about this.

3. The expression of high resonant life force in empathic humanity to neutralize disharmonic Archonic resonance in the astral, manifest as an artificial intelligence which is manipulating and controlling creation on the very body of Sophia, is NOT and act of war in the classic sense here in the third dimesnion.

4. Those sentient souls who have severed their humanity, sold their souls, and have chosen to align themselves with the Archonic energy, who no longer have the capacity to feel, have calcified their hearts and have dismembered themselves from any emotive abilities of an empath, how do we deal with them?

War is such a divisive and ingrained meme and the idea of warriors taking out these human psychopathic parasites seems harsh. I would prefer to put them on their spaceships and send them back to where they came from, and take all their cronies with them, but would that be fair to other sentient beings in the universe to release a virus on them? That is what they are, simply a pathogenic virus.

We could let Sophia take care of the problem herself and shake off the parasitic fleas when she gets too itchy. We can also stop feeding the parasites. We can stop playing the games that these psychopathic interlopers have trapped us in, but I don't see much of that happening. Commerce seems to roll right along.

Let's discuss the pure essence of how we help rid Sophia of this parasite.

Thank you!

Ouch!
3 bumps in a post 0.0
hope this is ok

We can also stop feeding the parasites. We can stop playing the games that these psychopathic interlopers have trapped us in, but I don't see much of that happening. Commerce seems to roll right along.

Let's discuss the pure essence of how we help rid Sophia of this parasite.

This is important or at least a good place to move on from with the intent of forming a collective plan.

[gripreaper]

There was an infiltrating intention for that to occur... I and others could feel it. Here's the rub: it was clear to me that John Lash was the one who was Archontically infected. I meant that seriously at the time, and that's still my view.
Seems we have seen this happen to a few great minds and researchers over the past few years....once they tip too far there really is no return way back for them it seems....

And this is how the deep truth which is emerging gets distracted and infiltrated, the same process which has occurred for millennium. The truths which John Lash did bring forth are tainted by his character and we need to not let this happen. This illustrates the massive power and ability to control consciousness and to create memes, and to apply artificial intelligence to taint and obfuscate the truth.

Was John Lash originally of pure intent when he started researching the Nag Hammadhi scrolls and the Archonic parasite, and he got caught up in a patriarchal approach to solving the problem, and lost his way and thus lost the divine feminine essence of the truth?

Seems likely. Let us not fall into the same trap, but let this be a lesson to illustrate the massive infrastructure in place, the ability to apply artificial intelligence within our very being without us hardly recognizing its presence. This technology has really ramped up in the last decade, and our only defense against it is to hold a strong energy boundary filled with the essence of pure love. This is our remedy and our protection, otherwise we are subject to being vamped.

[regnak]

Archonic parasite whether this is real or not does not matter. What is real is letting this into your reality the power you have is awesome it along with everything else exists everyone has there journey no one is left behind we all end up in the same place .

Rage angry must be expressed released like a pressure other wise you will explode. After you expressed it then ignore it there are three stages to serious problems you can become seriously sick because of suppressed rage or problems it can kill you the body can only take so much . Devine can and does help give the rage to him .

happy --------------------- angry rage -----------------------------depression deep hopeless

divine feminine is really silly

The world exists as a balance between divine feminine and divine male as equals as divine feminine only what happened to the men are women going to exist in the world alone it this is what Archonic is about I say the whole thing is nonsense.

[Christine]

Shezbeth,

The reemergence is by necessity the balance between the two polarities. This is the hard part. If I hold forth the Feminine aspect then I am be-holding it to the Masculine. Sadly the flows have be usurped for eons of time, how do we move INTO the next phase? That for me is the question. The obvious answer is within my SELF and this self exists in the female form so SHE pours forth.

May I ask the gentlemen here what they feel is the true Masculine polarity.. how their bodies manifest it? Sinking into the body forms and intelligence held there within.

[gripreaper]

May I ask the gentlemen here what they feel is the true Masculine polarity.. how their bodies manifest it? Sinking into the body forms and intelligence held there within.

I don't know, as I have been programmed in a masculine polarized patriarchal society and carry many memes on how to survive in this patriarchal matrix, going out into the psychopathic market of commerce to provide for my basic needs, ensconced in the debt system of slavery and indentured servitude to this corrupt system.

I was hoping that the feminine would lead us, and I concede any patriarchal notions I carry, and I am willing to let the matriarch emerge while I humbly take a supporting role. I think it is time for the men to step down and let the women lead.

[Limor Wolf]

On a recent radio show, perheps a month or two ago, with an estimated researcher who I can't remember who he was (Too many interviews, I think it may have been Jay Weidner, but am not 100% sure), he was asked about his long time friendship and associating with John Lash and if they are still in touch.. He then cleared his throat and explained that something has changed.. and refered to something like - 'John may have been smoking too much..'. No, he is not in touch with him anymore.

[Sunny-side-up]

Emotions welling up here and there through this very important subject, had a few tearful moments I have to say.
thank you Bill, Christine and OP

My Heart is yearning and twisting in convolutions to be set free in full force!

[giovonni]

Shezbeth,

The reemergence is by necessity the balance between the two polarities. This is the hard part. If I hold forth the Feminine aspect then I am be-holding it to the Masculine. Sadly the flows have be usurped for eons of time, how do we move INTO the next phase? That for me is the question. The obvious answer is within my SELF and this self exists in the female form so SHE pours forth.

May I ask the gentlemen here what they feel is the true Masculine polarity.. how their bodies manifest it? Sinking into the body forms and intelligence held there within.

Through nurturing and allowance ... And with graceful aging gets better and better.

[Christine]

Thank you grip..

Honestly seems a good place to start.. As karelia so valiantly pointed out, Self examination and awareness is key BE we male or female.. There is a man I adore. His name is Rupert Spira and I will post his video here. Perhaps a bit off topic and yet maybe not.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHLG3Qs51nc

[regnak]

You mean well but your society would be equally as bad if not worse than we are now . You are allowed to express your view but Maggie thatcher lead uk she was the most hated prime minister ever Angela Merkel currently is leads Europe to economic ruin and war.

Balanced both the male and female energy our lives our based on our integrity if john lash has none why are you speaking up for him what power has your word its the basics of life .

[Shadowself]

Christine & Bill,

One of the reasons I decided to join this forum was the great attempt at "unity". I see this often in the posts Bill and yourself. We do so need to stick together. I know nothing of the subject in this thread..that is the man referred to. But I do see something we all need to do and that is fly free from the ideas of such division.

I'm adding this video because the subject of this thread apparently hates Jews and Muslims. I'm adding this NOT becasue of the religious idea of God nor am I implying it. I'm adding this because it's from the heart of one Muslim who is not likened to some monster but sings from the HEART.

If only we all sang from the heart?

Comments from the video and thank you Bill and Christine for being who you are!


This poem describes the longing of the heart, what the soul desires and strives to know when in human form. Flying has always been considered the ultimate freedom which we humans most envy in birds. If we are the falcon is God not the falconer? The tether a Divine "golden cord?" I wish more people were familiar with the poems of Hafiz. They are unique. The music of Tim Janis is like that of mini movie scores, perfect for this poem. "Hafiz introduces himself as Companion and Guide, Friend and Lover. He invites us to share his life, his wine and his heart, to see ourselves and the world through his eyes. If we didn't know better, we would think he was courting us - and perhaps he is! ... The words of Hafiz speak for God." - Daniel Ladinsky

Enjoy:

ikNR3rzaYUA

[Rex]

... I and others could feel it. Here's the rub: it was clear to me that John Lash was the one who was Archontically infected. I meant that seriously at the time, and that's still my view.

Man that's a bummer... Would be interesting to know if he's got toxo or not.

[Shezbeth]

Christine,

I recognize and appreciate your position on this. However, I suggest that the so-called prevalent masculine force that is widely and readily apparent in this world is not the true divine Masculine. This is what I was referring to when I mention the inclusion or exclusion of one over the other. A reemergence of the divine Feminine that attempts to balance the false masculine will result in a differing type of imbalance. I admit that it is difficult to put into words, but I will do my best.

Just as the Feminine is the expansive, creative, and unifying force, so the Masculine is the retractive, resolvant, and individuating force. Defeat is a product of the Masculine - brought on or brought to - whereas Victory is a product of the Feminine. It is the action that follows the realization, the practice that follows the conviction. Not to be cheesy, but the movie 300 is rife with references and allusions; from the king who ultimately acts with permission from his queen, to his and his men's unrelenting and unparalleled opposition to her (both the queen and the nation) adversaries. As with the reference to the Zulu, it is that which goes to war when war is inevitable and unavoidable. The Masculine is not wanton nor desirous of war and neither engages it offensively, but neither hesitates to wage it nor maintains it in the conclusion. In a Chess sense, the 'prevalent' masculinity is represented by the white side, while the divine Masculine is represented by black.

Please do not mistake war for 'conflict' or 'battle'. While these terms are somewhat interrelated, they are philosophically at cross purposes. War is for bringing about an end to existing conflict or battle, rather than being the continuation of it. Truly, the greatest aim of a Masculine warrior is to be rendered obsolete by an absence of conflict.

It is hard to describe the Masculine beyond comparison to the Feminine - as the latter is former in the universe's equation - or metaphorical examples as appear in nature. I apologize if this has been an insufficient depiction, as I admit I am not entirely satisfied with this effort; I will contemplate and return.

[Sunny-side-up]

May I ask the gentlemen here what they feel is the true Masculine polarity.. how their bodies manifest it? Sinking into the body forms and intelligence held there within.

I don't know, as I have been programmed in a masculine polarized patriarchal society and carry many memes on how to survive in this patriarchal matrix, going out into the psychopathic market of commerce to provide for my basic needs, ensconced in the debt system of slavery and indentured servitude to this corrupt system.

I was hoping that the feminine would lead us, and I concede any patriarchal notions I carry, and I am willing to let the matriarch emerge while I humbly take a supporting role. I think it is time for the men to step down and let the women lead.

There are women and then there are women! same with man, it is the feminine from both that is needed now!

Christine

I'm born on the cusp of Leo and Virgo so I have a close tie to both, I can roar like a lion but create wondrous art (Or at-lest appreciate it, understand it)

I feel, speaking for my self that my true Masculine polarity is:
To follow honor,
To help the under dog who is being bulled!
I am good at defense and pursuit, I am fast and powerful and will run anything down and hold it for justice to arrive and take over!
I have your back until the point where you need me in front taking the blows,
I will step in!
I Have Heart.

[ulli]

We are treading on new ground here with John Lash's ideas. The globalization explosion has suddenly enlarged the playing field which used to be confined to tribes and nations, and where the fastest way to travel was by horse.
The Internet has been the greatest leap of all, more so than air travel, in my view.
The discoveries made since the nineties are the most shocking of all, on the collective level. So I can sympathize with intellectual men who want to figure out how to get rid of this menace which has surfaced since then, and brought to our attention.
But all new territories require an attitude of prudence.
And this is where the divine masculine needs to be held in check by the divine feminine.

In astrology the symbol for masculinity is a circle, with an arrow pointing upwards and to the right. Mars, the warrior.
This shows motion, action. In the I Ching it is repesented by the first hexagram, The Creative.

The symbol for femininity is a circle sitting on a cross. Venus.
This symbol shows stillness. In the I Ching it is the second hexagram, the Receptive.
Not at all like the Adam and Eve myth, where Adam is presnted as the victim of Eve, the temptress,
and which was interpreted wrongly, as if women are the cause of all ills.

So with a proper understanding of the masculine and feminine forces or polarites one can show Eve's prudence in human affairs, and her questioning the warrior instinct inherent in the masculine.
This is not to say that there must never be a moment which needs drastic measures.
I just feel it is a good idea to consult women first...as they have given birth to life they place a higher value on it.

[regnak]

feminine from both men and women has the world truly gone mad :popcorn:

no men allowed only estrogen we truly live in strange world or is it only me

[Christine]

I don't want to abandon this moment but am called to duties elsewhere.. .. all counter intention can be turned to favor. Must contemplate my own Divine Masculine.. he is inside here somewhere. ADORE.

[SilentFeathers]

I was hoping that the feminine would lead us, and I concede any patriarchal notions I carry, and I am willing to let the matriarch emerge while I humbly take a supporting role. I think it is time for the men to step down and let the women lead.

IMO, balance is to have them working together as one, letting the sacred feminine lead would put us on the other end of the spectrum; lacking the sacred masculine. The sacred feminine has been chained for a long long time, but her chains are loose; she must not enslave the masculine once she is free, like she has been enslaved, but, she must forgive and join him, so they can be complete and work together as one to bring about balance and harmony.

Dark magic/sorcery has prevented this "marriage" for a long time.

John Lash mentions that we must find the right way or the moral way to kill.....to correct the wrongs that are plaguing the human condition; he has become lost, caught up in the suffering, the pain we are all infected with from centuries upon centuries of dark magic and sorcery; the enslavement of not only the sacred feminine, but the enslavement of our minds and humanity itself....

[Shezbeth]

In astrology the symbol for masculinity is a circle, with an arrow pointing upwards and to the right. Mars, the warrior.
This shows motion, action. In the I Ching it is repesented by the first hexagram, The Creative.

The symbol for femininity is a circle sitting on a cross. Venus.
This symbol shows stillness. In the I Ching it is the second hexagram, the Receptive.

In metaphysics the merger of the two, the balanced participation of both is represented by the circle upon the cross, with the arrow leading down and away from both. This depicts the action which emerges from the center, the movement of the two forces, as well as the grounded centralization and focus of both energies combined.

If the masculine symbol is to be considered in a phallic sense, the unified symbol indicates the inert - but still present and ready/able to spring to action - aspect of the male. Additionally, it suggests that while the Masculine aspect directs the movement away from the Feminine, they are united in purpose and action and the movement occurs as a unit.

On a personal note, allow me this depiction; in My house, the feminine is that which creates the meal, while the masculine is that which does the dishes. ^_~

Sorry for all the edits, I keep thinking of additions!

[ulli]

In astrology the symbol for masculinity is a circle, with an arrow pointing upwards and to the right. Mars, the warrior.
This shows motion, action. In the I Ching it is repesented by the first hexagram, The Creative.

The symbol for femininity is a circle sitting on a cross. Venus.
This symbol shows stillness. In the I Ching it is the second hexagram, the Receptive.

In metaphysics the merger of the two, the balanced participation of both is represented by the circle upon the cross, with the arrow leading down and away from the circle. This depicts the action which emerges from the center, the movement of the two forces.

Right.
The third force, which is the reconciling force, (or in dialectics called "synthesis") is the next higher level, and only way to get out of the never ending to and fro of dualities.

[Christine]

So bring this into the body.. into this realm, that is the REAL-i-ty task.




In astrology the symbol for masculinity is a circle, with an arrow pointing upwards and to the right. Mars, the warrior.
This shows motion, action. In the I Ching it is repesented by the first hexagram, The Creative.

The symbol for femininity is a circle sitting on a cross. Venus.
This symbol shows stillness. In the I Ching it is the second hexagram, the Receptive.

In metaphysics the merger of the two, the balanced participation of both is represented by the circle upon the cross, with the arrow leading down and away from the circle. This depicts the action which emerges from the center, the movement of the two forces.

Right.
The third force, which is the reconciling force, (or in dialectics called "synthesis") is the next higher level, and only way to get out of the never ending to and for of dualities.

[regnak]

Well okay on every level this sounds wrong because Women in this world are not in charge but equal partners building a better future together .We as such need each other both emotional physically and mentally.


A lot people here what be ruled by women can you rule yourself before you let someone else decide for you I believe we should be equals my two cents

[Becky]

Archonic parasite whether this is real or not does not matter. What is real is letting this into your reality the power you have is awesome it along with everything else exists everyone has there journey no one is left behind we all end up in the same place .

Rage angry must be expressed released like a pressure other wise you will explode. After you expressed it then ignore it there are three stages to serious problems you can become seriously sick because of suppressed rage or problems it can kill you the body can only take so much . Devine can and does help give the rage to him .

happy --------------------- angry rage -----------------------------depression deep hopeless

divine feminine is really silly

The world exists as a balance between divine feminine and divine male as equals as divine feminine only what happened to the men are women going to exist in the world alone it this is what Archonic is about I say the whole thing is nonsense.

Divine feminine is really not silly! But you are absolutely right - there needs to be a balance between divine feminine and divine masculine - this is being brought into play and balance now, more than it has for a long time - since the last time. It happens in cycles on the earthly realm and perhaps/most likely in other connected realms too.

[Chester]

In the battle of good versus evil, is the reason evil triumphs so consistently because good thinks unconditional love will save the day? Unconditional love is not going to do squat against the forces of evil. It's easy to criticize people who suggest fighting evil on its own terms, in the only way that evil understands. It's much harder to come up with a realistic plan to defend good against evil, or better yet, a plan to defeat evil consistently. At least John Lash is attempting such a plan. Are we doing as much? Since when did looking for a way to fight evil become evil?

Your clue is found at the end of your statement when you used the word "fight."

Bring in "fight" and you feed the paradigm that perpetuates fighting.

There is no fight in unconditional love, only understanding, compassion and... wisdomatically anchored patience based on the knowing that in a Universe such as ours, where the glue to its continuance is Love... "Love trumps all."

[Credit to Christine for these last three words.]

[ulli]

So bring this into the body.. into this realm, that is the REAL-i-ty task.




In astrology the symbol for masculinity is a circle, with an arrow pointing upwards and to the right. Mars, the warrior.
This shows motion, action. In the I Ching it is repesented by the first hexagram, The Creative.

The symbol for femininity is a circle sitting on a cross. Venus.
This symbol shows stillness. In the I Ching it is the second hexagram, the Receptive.

In metaphysics the merger of the two, the balanced participation of both is represented by the circle upon the cross, with the arrow leading down and away from the circle. This depicts the action which emerges from the center, the movement of the two forces.

Right.
The third force, which is the reconciling force, (or in dialectics called "synthesis") is the next higher level, and only way to get out of the never ending to and for of dualities.

The body in my view is made of three parts...instinct, emotion, and mind. People operate at different levels, and might use use any of those three parts as their driving motor.
Instinct, also called gut feelings, also called survival instinct, is the fastest, but not always the wisest.

Emotions are slower to react, as they need to be examined and sorted into "good" feelings, versus "bad" feelings.

The intellect, or mind, is the slowest of all, as it demands endless new information, before committing to action, in case a mistake is made. So people are complex, and vary in their MOs.

I personally would make a terrible warrior, as I think far too much, and can't always trust my feelings.
So I operate via a collection of principles, and most of the time tend to do nothing, but just observe carefully.
When I was younger I messed up a lot, as I did things on the spur of the moment, acting on instinct.

Back to the topic at hand...where I see John Lash messing up is that he is talking publicly about his plan of action.
Dr. Richard Boylan, with his forum, used to stage psychic intention exercises, zapping certain castles where he had heard the PTB were gathering ...and I noticed after a while that he started to write a lot of nonsense, like his mind had been manipulated.

[eaglespirit]

We could let Sophia take care of the problem herself and shake off the parasitic fleas when she gets too itchy. We can also stop feeding the parasites. We can stop playing the games that these psychopathic interlopers have trapped us in, but I don't see much of that happening. Commerce seems to roll right along.

Let's discuss the pure essence of how we help rid Sophia of this parasite.

'Divine Intervention' ...now making adjustments in commerce WE(the magic number reached) asked directly for and enacted indirectly through our own ongoing selfless intentions and actions, imho.

Keep On Keeping Higher On!

[Chester]

In the battle of good versus evil, is the reason evil triumphs so consistently because good thinks unconditional love will save the day? Unconditional love is not going to do squat against the forces of evil. It's easy to criticize people who suggest fighting evil on its own terms, in the only way that evil understands. It's much harder to come up with a realistic plan to defend good against evil, or better yet, a plan to defeat evil consistently. At least John Lash is attempting such a plan. Are we doing as much? Since when did looking for a way to fight evil become evil?

It's tempting to fight fire with fire. However, letting everyone on the entire planet know that you're forming a group to fight evil and kill people, regardless of how you do it, and who may deserve it(and, if you read the site carefully, he doesn't exactly rule out PHYSICAL assassination, just focuses on magickal assassination), is about the most tactically stupid thing imaginable. Only controlled opposition would do this. get some loners/losers all hyped up with a mishmash of imagery, borrow from a bunch of esoteric traditions, fashion up this BS, maybe get a few "warriors" to do something stupid, like, actually hurt someone, and off we go. I listened to that interview, it's embedded in the other Lash thread. oy vey.

its a shame, because we really do need some "white hats" these days. But this guy and his "warriors" ain't it.

What he proposes is nothing short of an Archontic feasting orgy.

[Shezbeth]

What he proposes is nothing short of an Archontic feasting orgy.

Agreed. The difference between a spiritual warrior and 'just' a warrior is there is no revelry, no joy, and no emotion attached to the war and opposition. It is a resigned thing, recognizing the necessity of opposition while taking no pleasure in it. It is literally 'dirty work' (hence all my references to dirtying of hands) and is distasteful and undesirable, but needs be done nonetheless. Archons would starve in the presence of true spiritual warriors, and what is described by the KWP would result in a mighty feast.

If I may coin a term, I would like to suggest the following: in the interest of not confusing terminology - the divine Masculine vs. the prevalent masculinity - I would refer to the latter as masculists in that they as adequately represent the divine Masculine as feminists represent the divine Feminine. Both feminists and masculists are (IMO) undeniably prevalent (in the majority perhaps, in an aggregate sense), but this is endemic to the divided and non-conducive society and socialization which is its self endemic to the current systems which dictate unto the masses.

P.S. In case I ineffectively illustrated, when I refer to the dynamic in My house, it is in reference to the fact that I suck at cooking (though I am learning! I make mean pancakes and egg sammiches!) and the house is better suited by Me applying Myself in other areas, not that cooking is necessarily anyone's 'job'. Massages - for example - are an activity that I principally participate in administering. But, that's quite enough about Me!

[Chester]

Let's discuss the pure essence of how we help rid Sophia of this parasite.

The answer I get when I ask this question is -

"It is a virus of the mind and this infects and corrupts the soul and this creates the severance of the chord to one's spirit. So seek within your own mind what views you have, what decisions you made and rested upon as to what life is all about and find where you might have erred. Once you discover your own errors, then its a simple task to just...

change

your

mind.

Then the virus is no longer present. And now then... be the new you. Your example is all that is needed."

[PurpleLama]

More than that, Shez, the true warrior will do the necessary thing even while a tear runs down his/her face. A true warrior never loses heart, and as you say, there is no revelry included in doing the dirty work. Thinking in shades of the samurai and the Gunslinger, here.

[Nasu]

My view is that a warrior fights for something exterior to themselves, they choose a side.. A police person fights for law and order, under the direction of the city or state, a soldier fights for the freedom of their respective country, under the direction of the government or state, a warrior fights for a cause either just or unjust, warriors come from all walks of life, including the military and police.

Being a warrior is a state of mind and thus not merely constrained within the male form. The male and female bring balance to any situation, martial or otherwise. Today our world is not in balance, this is my understanding of the devine male warrior ness.

I heard a long time ago how the monk and the warrior are devinely balanced, the warrior must show outward courage while keeping compassion within their hearts, whilst on the other hand the monk must outwardly show compassion but keep courage within their hearts..

Like many of you, I too am a warrior on the path to wholeness....x.... N

[PurpleLama]

People stopped fighting for honor, hence the situation we find ourselves in.

[Nasu]

People stopped fighting for honor, hence the situation we find ourselves in.

I respectfully disagree. One can only stop fighting for honor if one as nothing worth honouring, if one has nothing worth honouring, then nothing is worth being honourable for, if nothing is worth being honourable for then everything is up for grabs, dog eat dog, true evil will undoubtedly bloom.. I will fight for your right to exist and disagree with me.... I'm honourable like that...x

[PurpleLama]

Ah, Nasu, it wasn't you in particular that I meant when I said people. There are a few, hereabouts, that I wouldn't apply such a statement to.

[Sierra]

PL,

You meant spiritual honor (in defense of those in harm's way), not masculine honor (the kind currently killing girls and women), right?

Right. :)

[Julian]

Hello Shezbeth,

A couple of questions about your post, an observation and I guess some musings.

Questions:

"it is with the force of love that one destroys one's opponent; love for one's self, love for those who otherwise can't/won't resist, and yes love of one's opponent."

Could you clarify what is meant by "destroying one's opponent"? Please be specific, what does a destroyed opponent look like?

"The opponent is not evil,... but it is unacceptable. Those who engage the opponent aren't evil either, they're simply getting their hands dirty."

Could you provide a concrete example of "destroying an opponent" and "getting one's hands dirty" that serves as a constructive model for the process you are talking about?

Observation:

The idea of a divine masculine that operates on an equal par with the divine feminine seems to be a bit fuzzy. What I am learning is that that the foundation of creative energy in the universe is what is being referred to as the divine feminine. Yet this is misleading in a way. No polarity between male and female is necessary on that level.

What we experience as 3D masculinity or femininity is a projection or extension of that universal creative force. One of the curious things to contemplate is how breaking consciousness into masculine and feminine is itself a type of control mechanism. It is unlikely that Source operates in a bifurcated fashion in search of it's missing other. The use of masculine or feminine pronouns probably reflect our own cognitive limitations.

So we are using the term "divine feminine" imprecisely without a clear referent point or understanding about the full nature of the creative process. In that lack of precision it would seem we insert myths that resonate with our current fractured male and female identities. From that point we begin to "read out our own Rorschach" and the mischief unfolds. This is particularly clear in John Lash's framework of Sophia and the help he feels she requires to come out from under a vile oppression.

Musings:

If we are operating within a sense of fractured identity then a certain choice point appears. We can substitute a new myth for the old archonic myth (and John Lash makes it clear he identifies with Percival) or we can move to heal the fractured identity. This choice point creates very different outcomes downstream which are worth exploring.

Elaborating On The Fracture.

Listening to Lash speak it's clear that significant internal fracture lines remain within his field of awareness and inform his vision of the future. To his credit he acknowledges these quite openly.

Examples

Lash struggles with anger and would like to see Jews dead at the bottom of the Dead Sea. The Dead Sea is important to him because the actuality of their death is not sufficient. It must be death with an object lesson and moral attached. The Dead Sea is the lowest point on Earth in his estimation so that is where it needs to occur. A highly charge state of angry attachment.

Lash is also ferocious and attached to the idea of achieving "excellence" and invites us to make up comparative lists of who is more excellent within the human family. This is very personal for him as he lets us know that he is merciless with in himself, towards himself. In short our guy John Lash is very precariously perched in within a framework of conditional self worth and acceptance towards self and other. There are good guys, there are bad guys and the lines are sharply drawn. Sometimes he's not sure where he falls and this demands even deeper commitment to set things right. It is from that vantage point that he goes out to war.

There is an important anchor in John Lash's life that assures him this is all in the highest good. These are the altered states of consciousness in which he communes with the naked energy body of Sophia. Yet even newbies like me quickly learn that Archonic ET's have ready access to powerful states of consciousness that can easily mimic spiritual epiphany. Recently I've had a chance to see some of those epiphanies being projected into the consciousness of a friend. Very interesting special effects to be sure. Without the guidance of experienced members here we would have been at risk of being hijacked into a very alluring deception. I'm afraid John Lash operated without a compensatory framework were concerns like that could be caught early on.

Of course it's a judgement call but listening to John's Lash's various tirades I just don't see the deep transformative influence of ongoing spiritual contact manifesting in his psyche. The influence of a guiding archonic force is pretty clear however, in fact it's almost impossible to miss.

Healing The Fracture

The other path emanating from the choice point referenced above is to heal the fracture within. This involves very different challenges and requisite capabilities. Maintaining a powerful interface surface of penetrating, intelligent love is harder then picking up a sword but also more transformative. No conditions as to sexual orientation are required on the part of those engaged in this process and indeed the reliance on another person to serve as the vehicle for interacting with the world would be an immediate red flag. The core qualification appears to an internal competence to meet different energies within ourselves without contracting in fear, defensiveness or aggression.

When that interface occurs both subject and objection begin to transform. It is inevitable and unavoidable. That's why fluidity is such a universal characteristic of developed beings. In the paradigm of transformation the Archonic presence disappears because it can't make the transition.

This profound and creative transformative energy appears to be our human birthright and core talent we are being coached to develop. Members on this forum have demonstrated an ability to meet all manner of regressive ET's, gift them with love and personal conscience and watch them entirely shift their path of development. Now that is power.

Clearly the process Lash is described goes in a very different direction. Nearly as I can tell, if he were to succeed in infusing our planetary field with a collective energy of trantric warfare, magic and campaigns of "archonic" cleansing the archonic presence would continue even more deeply embedded within our energetic field.

It seems a lot is unfolding around us that give life to these very themes. Creation is very active. Let's be careful and discerning what we give ourselves to create.

[PurpleLama]

That is to say, Nasu, I wholeheartedly agree to what sentiment you have expressed above, and am as chagrined as you that this blooming evil is precisely what those such as ourselves are left to contend with, each in our own way.

[sandy]

We can also stop feeding the parasites. We can stop playing the games that these psychopathic interlopers have trapped us in, but I don't see much of that happening. Commerce seems to roll right along.

I think that gripreaper has stated the answer simply and succinctly IMHO.


Thank you![/QUOTE]

[PurpleLama]

PL,

You meant spiritual honor (in defense of those in harm's way), not masculine honor (the kind currently killing girls and women), right?

Right. :)

I mean honor. I am not sure what you mean. Honor is honor. It does not forsake Life, innocent life most of all.

[Sierra]

PL,

You meant spiritual honor (in defense of those in harm's way), not masculine honor (the kind currently killing girls and women), right?

Right. :)

I mean honor. I am not sure what you mean. Honor is honor. It does not forsake Life, innocent life most of all.

The meaning can become tainted, watching the "honor killings" taking place in other countries, killings apparently needed to restore "honor" to men, when their women and female children do not behave as they deem fit.

And I've grown up knowing for the most part, females are not considered to either have or need honor, which really appalls me...

I mean, I use honor as a baseline if you know what I mean.

[Shezbeth]

In the words of Little John from Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves,...

"Love to mate" ^_~


"it is with the force of love that one destroys one's opponent; love for one's self, love for those who otherwise can't/won't resist, and yes love of one's opponent."

Could you clarify what is meant by "destroying one's opponent"? Please be specific, what does a destroyed opponent look like?

That depends entirely on the opponent. If corporeal, a destroyed opponent can manifest as an individual who's desire/will to be adversarial has been destroyed, or they can manifest as a destroyed corporeal form. These are only two examples, and reality is most capable of calling for/necessitating variations beyond my simple illustration.


"The opponent is not evil,... but it is unacceptable. Those who engage the opponent aren't evil either, they're simply getting their hands dirty."

Could you provide a concrete example of "destroying an opponent" and "getting one's hands dirty" that serves as a constructive model for the process you are talking about?

I can't provide a particular 'concrete' example, but I'll do my best to further illustrate. Bruce Lee aptly suggested that 'a fist is a tool for defeating the ego (of one's opponent)'. Imagine you were witness to an individual brutalizing their spouse (pick whichever gender as the aggressor and the recipient). Imagine also that you possess sufficient martial skill to mitigate the confrontation. In this illustration, I am not even beginning to attempt any moral or ideological boundaries or guidelines, simply that there is an obvious aggressor and an obvious recipient.

Destroying the opponent can include - but is not limited to - placing the aggressor in a 'lock' (a joint manipulation where the aggressor is unable to continue), placing one's self in between the two parties, and - of course - smashing the aggressor to the point of unconsciousness. Per the clarification you request, any of these scenarios qualifies as 'destroying the opponent', as the opponent in this case is the participant who produces discord, violence, etc. To be more specific, I would require more specifics in the inquiry.

As for the rest, I have difficulty following as I find your reasoning to be disproportionate - and thereby unsupportable (even in a hypothetical sense) to my own. I am not suggesting that one is flawed and the other is sound, simply that they seem to be divergent.

In my understanding, the Masculine and the Feminine are dual poles of the same creative force. Having said - and in that they are oppositional representations of the same phenomenon - they have differing properties but the same inherent purpose. The underlying idea is that both poles are resolved to create, with one pole being particularly more conducive to the act, and the other pole being particularly suited to removing obstacles to the act. This is the pith to my assertions of the Masculine and Feminine, that one is more suited to the purest and most involved aspect of creation, whereas the other is more suited to eliminating/removing the obstacles to the former.

That there are obstacles is an aspect I will not claim to fully understand the origins or purpose of, yet I'm not about to deny the existence of and would question any who might attempt to.

I hope this has been of assistance; the latter part was a bit of a stretch as I am not entirely certain of the overall idea or where it is intended to 'go'.

[Deega]

Hi, I have read most of the first page, and I think that even if the Kalika War Party was ever fruitful, their leaders would reproduced a similar (or worst) organization as the one we live in right now.

IMHO, we are dualistic people, and when power is in our hand, we don't, always, have enough wisdom to act virtuously toward people, so a repetitive cycle restart unfortunately.

The best to everyone.

[Shezbeth]

PL,

You meant spiritual honor (in defense of those in harm's way), not masculine honor (the kind currently killing girls and women), right?

Right. :)

Whoa. WHOA, pardon me for taking exception to the usage of the term 'Masculine' and 'Honor' in the context you supply! One can simply look up the word 'honor' and see that it is not applicable in such a context, and I have a hard time identifying the benefit of attempting to render it in such a context as appears.

Surely Sierra, you are aware and cognizant of the overwhelming want/inclination to ignorantly use terminology in the incorrect context, yet it would appear that in this case ('honor killings', etc.) such caution is thrown to the wind. How many brutalities have been attributed to the enlighten(ing)ed teachings of prophets and saints which have a diverse methodology or principle than those who claim to follow?

I will be the first to assert: any individual who suggests that the Female (whether conceptual or literal) 'has' or is 'entitled to' no honor is a fool, an ingrate, and is operating from a compromised perspective (not dissimilar, though perhaps so in magnitude) to the subject of this thread, Mr. John Lash; I present that purely as example.

I would hate to leave this discussion with a dismissal of your perspective, so I would ask you to please clarify what you mean with allowances for the many divergent positions that surround the idea of 'honor'.

[Chester]

PL,

You meant spiritual honor (in defense of those in harm's way), not masculine honor (the kind currently killing girls and women), right?

Right. :)


I mean honor. I am not sure what you mean. Honor is honor. It does not forsake Life, innocent life most of all.

The meaning can become tainted, watching the "honor killings" taking place in other countries, killings apparently needed to restore "honor" to men, when their women and female children do not behave as they deem fit.

And I've grown up knowing for the most part, females are not considered to either have or need honor, which really appalls me...

I mean, I use honor as a baseline if you know what I mean.

The honor I have come to know has no gender... never had.

I also understand Sierra's reaction... given what we have seen in this world for far too long.

[Sierra]

PL,

You meant spiritual honor (in defense of those in harm's way), not masculine honor (the kind currently killing girls and women), right?

Right. :)

Whoa. WHOA, pardon me for taking exception to the usage of the term 'Masculine' and 'Honor' in the context you supply! One can simply look up the word 'honor' and see that it is not applicable in such a context, and I have a hard time identifying the benefit of attempting to render it in such a context as appears.

Surely Sierra, you are aware and cognizant of the overwhelming want/inclination to ignorantly use terminology in the incorrect context, yet it would appear that in this case ('honor killings', etc.) such caution is thrown to the wind. How many brutalities have been attributed to the enlighten(ing)ed teachings of prophets and saints which have a diverse methodology or principle than those who claim to follow?

I will be the first to assert: any individual who suggests that the Female (whether conceptual or literal) 'has' or is 'entitled to' no honor is a fool, an ingrate, and is operating from a compromised perspective (not dissimilar, though perhaps so in magnitude) to the subject of this thread, Mr. John Lash; I present that purely as example.

I would hate to leave this discussion with a dismissal of your perspective, so I would ask you to please clarify what you mean with allowances for the many divergent positions that surround the idea of 'honor'.

I think I was clear when I spoke of honor killings, that that is not the kind of honor we want to propagate. :)

As for women not having honor, growing up in the 50s in the US, honor for females did not exist in movies, children's books, cHildren's TV shows (think Mighty Mouse or Superman lol)... I never heard girls or women speak of it either, except as something the husband or father would take care of. And the only honor that anyone seemed to be interested in, was that no male touched the female ... It made me feel forlorn in a way, that no where in sight that I could see, was I considered capable of the attribute, honor.

But I always knew it was honor that I used to determine what I would do or not do, and it was honor that taught me how bad it felt when I didn't.

I could use the word integrity just as well.

Perhaps I should have. I seem to have offended Purple Lama, which would never be my intent. I consider PL extremely honorable. A man of integrity.

Boohoo... And rats.

Love you Purple Lama, yes I do.

[3(C)+me]

[QUOTE=sandy;919333]We can also stop feeding the parasites. We can stop playing the games that these psychopathic interlopers have trapped us in, but I don't see much of that happening. Commerce seems to roll right along.

I think the battle starts in ones personal life and the choices we make. Do we honor the masculine and the feminine in our own lives. Do we take responsibility for the choices we make and the behavior we engage in. Do we see how we have make remarks that implies we see others as separate and below us or better than us. Are we still worshiping other people like they got the inside scope. This is where the battle will be won or lost. We can change things otherwise what is this whole thing about why would we agree to participate in a world where it's an automatic defeat. Just the title Kalika's War party is a dead giveaway. Remember the War on drugs, look how that turned out.
I have read this whole thread and you guys made some very good remarks. Thank you!

[Gardener]

My understanding of the divine feminine/masculine which is being discussed here has more to do with each man and woman internally, that each must balance their own m/f aspects (R & L brain) for it to manifest externally. Neither is better, both are necessary like two halves of a circle.

When its an internal balancing doesn't that make a bit of a nonsense of tantric sex, not to diminish in any way such powerful energy circulating between two balanced individuals.

Some totally mind blowing and beautiful posts here, thank you all. I felt the waves of sincerity and integrity from everyone flowing through me bringing tears and smiles, energy bouncing around.

I stopped listening to JLL over a year ago, just not for me, 'Justone' has a better grasp of Gnosticism imho :)

Archons have become a fasionable subject for discussion is all, and with the many 'opinions' about what they are and why. Archons cease to be relevent when through diligent work the slings and arrows fail to penetrate our fragile sensitivities and we no longer supply them dark jagged energy. Friction is necessary, without it how could we overcome. Its my thinking that anger is not an emotion but a powerful energy for change, one that sometimes overpowers us, a duel edged sword, just as the sexual energy can have two destinations.

Gurdjieff called it 'food for the moon' when the archons soak up the loosh fest, the moon being the least developed on the ray of creation, so nothing is wasted. Its up to us when we stop them feeding. Easier said than done.

[Omni]

Doesn't the word Archon just mean ruler?

Seems it's applied to an extraterrestrial or interdimensional source usually. From my experiences/opinion human technology could be seen of as an equivalent of "Archontic" tech. I consider those in human circles within electronic telepathy and all that, basically 4D as well.

I suspect John Lash was mind controlled to begin with. His divine feminine was probably mind control too. I have seen the archtypes for that as I have seen the archtypes for what he is doing now.

[Gardener]

Interdimensional/multidimensional, inner landscape, yes i would say so, and Archon yup the word used as a ruler or judge, here is the merriam webster definition page (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/archon); from ancient Greek, I guess the word came closest to the description the Gnostics wanted to portray. These inner parasites (the ancient as opposed to the tech/mindcontrol) do have a control over our life, like a flea infestation, nibbling away at the flesh of psyche through the thousands of Mr Smiths we are surrounded by, the tricks and traps which fool us into releasing the low frequency energy; by way of fears of lack, loss, and abandonment, imposed upon us by all that was implanted from birth. And that's all without the high tech parasites in your experiences Omni, sheesh! I can only imagine. What is good though is your ability to transmute your experiences into music and writing. JLL hasn't made that leap yet it seems, though early on he seemed to.

Interesting point you make about classifying the tech as 4D, makes some sense in a way I can't quite articulate. (example: Bill being put to sleep during the interview discussing same.)

Doesn't the word Archon just mean ruler?

Seems it's applied to an extraterrestrial or interdimensional source usually. From my experiences/opinion human technology could be seen of as an equivalent of "Archontic" tech. I consider those in human circles within electronic telepathy and all that, basically 4D as well.

I suspect John Lash was mind controlled to begin with. His divine feminine was probably mind control too. I have seen the archtypes for that as I have seen the archtypes for what he is doing now.

[ulli]

This is a part of a Baha'i prayer in which a person addresses God asking for protection against archon interference:

" Keep us safe, then, through Thine unfailing protection, O Thou the Beloved of the entire creation and the Desire of the whole universe, from them whom Thou hast made to be the manifestations of the Evil Whisperer, who whisper in men’s breasts. Potent art Thou to do Thy pleasure."

[eaglespirit]

This is a part of a Baha'i prayer in which a person addresses God asking for protection against archon interference:

" Keep us safe, then, through Thine unfailing protection, O Thou the Beloved of the entire creation and the Desire of the whole universe, from them whom Thou hast made to be the manifestations of the Evil Whisperer, who whisper in men’s breasts. Potent art Thou to do Thy pleasure."

Daniel Michael...
freely choosing to step into the higher rhythms of my name, I can personally vouch for that protection : )

There is joy, and may I be so forward as to say, 'loving fun', in this!

Enjoying Higher Responsibility Transforms Good Works To Good Pleasures and More Are Finding This, imho : )

Aho Mitakuye Oyasin...Here, There, Everywhere!

[Roisin]

There was an infiltrating intention for that to occur... I and others could feel it. Here's the rub: it was clear to me that John Lash was the one who was Archontically infected. I meant that seriously at the time, and that's still my view.
Seems we have seen this happen to a few great minds and researchers over the past few years....once they tip too far there really is no return way back for them it seems....

And this is how the deep truth which is emerging gets distracted and infiltrated, the same process which has occurred for millennium. The truths which John Lash did bring forth are tainted by his character and we need to not let this happen. This illustrates the massive power and ability to control consciousness and to create memes, and to apply artificial intelligence to taint and obfuscate the truth.

Was John Lash originally of pure intent when he started researching the Nag Hammadhi scrolls and the Archonic parasite, and he got caught up in a patriarchal approach to solving the problem, and lost his way and thus lost the divine feminine essence of the truth?

Seems likely. Let us not fall into the same trap, but let this be a lesson to illustrate the massive infrastructure in place, the ability to apply artificial intelligence within our very being without us hardly recognizing its presence. This technology has really ramped up in the last decade, and our only defense against it is to hold a strong energy boundary filled with the essence of pure love. This is our remedy and our protection, otherwise we are subject to being vamped.

I would like to find out what Lash's belief system (a mixture of Paganism and Gnosticism?) was prior to him interpreting the Nag Hammadhi scrolls because anyone who attempts to do that will interpret that material through the filter of their own existing philosophical and/or religious belief system. Bill, for example is a Ron's Org. member so he will be interpreting Lashes interpretation of that material through Hubbard's teachings.

And naturally, anyone who strongly believes in any given system, that belief system is going to prevail over any new informaton that's presented to them that's outside of their existing belief system.

A Fundamentalist Christian will be reading Lash's material through the filter of his/her own belief system so naturally they are going to find Lash's interpretation of the Nag Hammadhi contrary to their own beliefs in many area's because they interpret the Bible literally unlike Lash's approach which is to give his own spin on it.

So any opinions from anyone on if Lash is right or wrong in his interpretations of the Nag Hammadhi scrolls, will definitely depend on the reader's own existing belief system.

A Fundamentalist Christian will say that Lash has got it all wrong... as will a Rons Org/Hubbard follower.

As always, any strong believer in their own chosen religious or philosophical belief system is going to say that there's in the only right one out there.

[ulli]

There was an infiltrating intention for that to occur... I and others could feel it. Here's the rub: it was clear to me that John Lash was the one who was Archontically infected. I meant that seriously at the time, and that's still my view.
Seems we have seen this happen to a few great minds and researchers over the past few years....once they tip too far there really is no return way back for them it seems....

And this is how the deep truth which is emerging gets distracted and infiltrated, the same process which has occurred for millennium. The truths which John Lash did bring forth are tainted by his character and we need to not let this happen. This illustrates the massive power and ability to control consciousness and to create memes, and to apply artificial intelligence to taint and obfuscate the truth.

Was John Lash originally of pure intent when he started researching the Nag Hammadhi scrolls and the Archonic parasite, and he got caught up in a patriarchal approach to solving the problem, and lost his way and thus lost the divine feminine essence of the truth?

Seems likely. Let us not fall into the same trap, but let this be a lesson to illustrate the massive infrastructure in place, the ability to apply artificial intelligence within our very being without us hardly recognizing its presence. This technology has really ramped up in the last decade, and our only defense against it is to hold a strong energy boundary filled with the essence of pure love. This is our remedy and our protection, otherwise we are subject to being vamped.

I would like to find out what Lash's belief system (a mixture of Paganism and Gnosticism?) was prior to him interpreting the Nag Hammadhi scrolls because anyone who attempts to do that will interpret that material through the filter of their own existing philosophical and/or religious belief system. Bill, for example is a Ron's Org. member so he will be interpreting Lashes interpretation of that material through Hubbard's teachings.

And naturally, anyone who strongly believes in any given system, that belief system is going to prevail over any new informaton that's presented to them that's outside of their existing belief system.

A Fundamentalist Christian will be reading Lash's material through the filter of his/her own belief system so naturally they are going to find Lash's interpretation of the Nag Hammadhi contrary to their own beliefs in many area's because they interpret the Bible literally unlike Lash's approach which is to give his own spin on it.

So any opinions from anyone on if Lash is right or wrong in his interpretations of the Nag Hammadhi scrolls, will definitely depend on the reader's own existing belief system.

A Fundamentalist Christian will say that Lash has got it all wrong... as will a Rons Org/Hubbard follower.

As always, any strong believer in their own chosen religious or philosophical belief system is going to say that there's in the only right one out there.

I agree with your point here, but JLL's momentum in coming to his current conclusions and plan of action is an important factor as well.
Because when one suddenly jumps to the greatest AHA moment there will be clashes, naturally, with those who haven't seen the same lightbulb, if one is not wise enough to make allowances that no two people can be at the same level.

So if both Bill and Christine noted that he was "arrogant" there may well have been something to their perceptions, and not just normal projection of their own unresolved material.
My view of the workings of the universe are different, and not just based on my earliest filters, but more to do with the workings of physics...and what would be the most effective approach.
All action causes a measurable reaction. Ripple effect...
So with me simply a commitment to the best outcome via a Ghandi style response to the world's situation would be better than experimenting with specific rituals.

[Sunny-side-up]

Good observation/question Roisin

I am of no Religious teachings or indoctrination, never have had!

I do believe in 'Great-Architect as it where!

I do believe the knowledge as it is of the Gnostics is close to the first knowledge.

We directly and or indirectly being given: Sun, Moon and A Planet as our domain makes sense to me. Maybe in our self-view-of-grandeur we take things for granted
Maybe we aren't meant to travel the stars and universe as if it was all just there for our taking!
Maybe upon our reaching a state where we might, by means of technology go out into the stars (Or at least we are lead to believe we could), well at such a point in our evolution might also mean we get to go higher dimensional and skip the illusion of the material universe altogether ;)

As an example to your question Roisin, the co-called 'Light-Trap' subject.
My own experiences in NDE (or as near to a NDE that I might have had a few times) have never been full of Winged angles or of any kind of beings!

I only saw incredible geometrical forms and grids, including phases of pulsing colors and shapes etc!
And then the great calm totally peaceful, loving place/image which I interpretation as the entrance to the tunnel in static form, showing all it's composite parts in focus and not blurred into a tunnel of light!

So maybe I have seen the true form of the entrance to the Tunnel of Light, or the true non-religious version of my reality 0.0
I've always been Artistic and was once a Draughtsman , so maybe Geometry is my Religious foundation. Just got-ta love them Mandala
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandala

Love
Alan

[Bill Ryan]

So if both Bill and Christine noted that he was "arrogant" there may well have been something to their perceptions, and not just normal projection of their own unresolved material.

Yes... there's a very unified view here. Every single person who's heard the original recording is now of the same mind, as best I know.

The way I see it, it's not a matter of metaphysical orientation that it's inappropriate (to give just one standout example!) to call Moslems 'cockroaches'. If anyone reading this does think that's fine, then please raise your hand! :)

[Roisin]

Well, Lash certainly didn't come across that way in this book "Not In His Image" so I"ll listen to that recording where he's talking like that as it's definitely a turn off in every way... One wonders how he could have any followers/fan group to begin with if he's talking like a Neo-Nazis in it and not the spiritually enlightened person he claims to be! This is very disappointing indeed because I thought his presentation on the Nag Hammadhi material was very elegant and coherent.

--- update ---

I much prefer to listen to recordings with subtitles like the way some You Tube video's are but from what I'm able to catch in this one so far, he's definitely coming across as a racist. :(

http://rediceradio.net/radio/2014/RIR-140804-johnlash.mp3

[donk]

Any spiritual teaching has the dual characteristics of containing some truth, and the potential to be a trap (a lie)

Male/female is another distraction, dividing us. Free will nullifies these superficial differences.

John Lash, like most who receive a certain level of attention, has been "captured", with the intent to twist anything close to "truth" that he was presenting.

His current direction is a dangerous one, enticing to those stuck in old paradigm. Whether it a deliberate creation from the gate of those who guide his path now or a gradual process where he was overcome somewheres in the journey, declaring war on war (using sex magicsk) is not the John Lash of a decade ago.

Those who would have us argue over relative morality and our emotional attachments to ideas (I have no problem with him sharing contempt of a race/religion...it shows who he is and is to be integrated into discern of the information he presents) are getting more sophisticated in their programming.

Up until recently, lash was among the most responsible teachers, always respectful of others views, always careful to qualify that this was HIS understanding of reality. The seemingly overnight change to a militant with no self-awareness and blatant hypocrisy is sad to me...but hopeful. It shows that truth will always emerge, no matter how subtle and compelling the lie.

Seems to me "They" can't hijack the truth without it becoming glaringly obvious to a real seeker, those of us who dedicated to brutal self honesty and can look at sensitive topics with loving detachment. Don't throw away babies with the bath water here...it could be one more distraction...or there can be important lesson to be learned...

[Feritciva]

This is an important thread for me, thanks to everyone who shared really valuable info & insights.

JLL was somehow important for me as his writings are one of the sources that I first learnt about archons & archontic influence.

But as it is wisely said, one transforms into what he heavily resists & fights if he's not careful enough. Especially if a powerful intellect is there to make that division between "us & them". One part of me still understands JLL, maybe he studied & researched too much about archon tactics & strategies and he eventually reached to a conclusion where only acting like them is enough to beat them. Then what does this turn "us" into? Probably there will be another JLL organising another group to take down Klika Warriors.. welcome to the wheel of karma!

Finally that famous cockroaches... my experience showed there are many cockroaches who use Islam or Christianity or Jewish beliefs or scientific truths for their agendas. Discernment comes handy here, it saves you from horribly wrong generalisations like we see here with JLL.

[Chester]

Christine,

I recognize and appreciate your position on this. However, I suggest that the so-called prevalent masculine force that is widely and readily apparent in this world is not the true divine Masculine. This is what I was referring to when I mention the inclusion or exclusion of one over the other. A reemergence of the divine Feminine that attempts to balance the false masculine will result in a differing type of imbalance. I admit that it is difficult to put into words, but I will do my best.

Just as the Feminine is the expansive, creative, and unifying force, so the Masculine is the retractive, resolvant, and individuating force. Defeat is a product of the Masculine - brought on or brought to - whereas Victory is a product of the Feminine. It is the action that follows the realization, the practice that follows the conviction. Not to be cheesy, but the movie 300 is rife with references and allusions; from the king who ultimately acts with permission from his queen, to his and his men's unrelenting and unparalleled opposition to her (both the queen and the nation) adversaries. As with the reference to the Zulu, it is that which goes to war when war is inevitable and unavoidable. The Masculine is not wanton nor desirous of war and neither engages it offensively, but neither hesitates to wage it nor maintains it in the conclusion. In a Chess sense, the 'prevalent' masculinity is represented by the white side, while the divine Masculine is represented by black.

Please do not mistake war for 'conflict' or 'battle'. While these terms are somewhat interrelated, they are philosophically at cross purposes. War is for bringing about an end to existing conflict or battle, rather than being the continuation of it. Truly, the greatest aim of a Masculine warrior is to be rendered obsolete by an absence of conflict.

It is hard to describe the Masculine beyond comparison to the Feminine - as the latter is former in the universe's equation - or metaphorical examples as appear in nature. I apologize if this has been an insufficient depiction, as I admit I am not entirely satisfied with this effort; I will contemplate and return.

As an odds maker, I make odds high that solution must begin within the male. I base this on how I see the dynamic of the metaphors of the relationship between the spirit and physicality with respect to the current scenario on Earth at this time.

[Shezbeth]

So if both Bill and Christine noted that he was "arrogant" there may well have been something to their perceptions, and not just normal projection of their own unresolved material.


Well, Lash certainly didn't come across that way in this book "Not In His Image" so I"ll listen to that recording where he's talking like that as it's definitely a turn off in every way..

I'm going to have to agree with Bill and Christine et. al, and disagree with Roisin on this one. This is of course, my opinion.

Perhaps he didn't come across as arrogant, dismissive, etc. in his book - which I admit I haven't read nor am interested in - but there are blatant signs of arrogance in his interviews that surround the publishing of the book. I listened to a number of interviews where he was promoting himself, the book, and 'what he claims' the Nag Hammadi texts are all about (which he does not recognize as a subjective interpretation!) and though he isn't using slanderous/dismissive terminology he makes it very clear that he views his information as 'truth' and that any disagreement or divergent perception is 'not truth'. I'm not saying he's wrong, but he is already saying I'm wrong,... which I could be but not because of his authoritarian methodology.

So to say, his latest activity isn't terribly surprising or unpredictable even, it is just a larger manifestation of previously observable behavior.

[Hervé]

[...]

... from what I'm able to catch in this one so far, he's definitely coming across as a racist. :(

http://rediceradio.net/radio/2014/RIR-140804-johnlash.mp3

Not only the interviewee but, also, the interviewer. Both have had a change of coats.


For a long time I have appreciated Red Ice radio's interviews. Henrik Palmgren's interviews on a wide variety of topics for a long time seemed very much in accord with my interests, but in recent years, he has become increasingly racial in his focus, in a way that I would classify as being, at the very least, sympathetic to Neo-Nazi views. I've tried to ignore it, but it's gotten kind of obvious and pretty annoying to me.

[...]

... happened to other people too, like Stephen Greer.

It seems to be indicative of the Alt Media being under heavy attack - change of hearts...

[Bingo]

I've read and listened to a lot of John's material as have so many here, and this is my take fwiw. I'm quite sure he does not consider himself spiritual in any way. He has often stated he dislikes the very word. He had also said, frequently, that he is indeed arrogant, even grandiose and imperious (his words). He is not looking to be approved of or agreed with and could care less if people write with criticisms.

He sees himself as a shaman who has given the world the true story of Sophia and the archons. He feels the archons "vectored" a sect of jews a few thousand years ago and actually laid down a neurological pathway to control them. He feels they are to blame for the psychopathic evil on the planet which culminates in child sexual abuse. He has stated he doesn't want to live on a planet that allows this behavior and want to eliminate them all...every last one.

Henrik of Red Ice has been agreeing. They have said that the jews have a plan to genocide the white race and the immigration of people of color into Sweden appears to be motivating Hendrik. John feels Hitler was misunderstood.

I was very shocked this year when he delivered this material as I had been following his gaian navigational experiment. Because he is, IMO, a great storyteller I just fell in line with his pov. So glad to be free of it.

He is launching this war party now, so we may be seeing more interviews, etc. in the future. It's good that we are all on the same page.

[Roisin]

Christine,

I recognize and appreciate your position on this. However, I suggest that the so-called prevalent masculine force that is widely and readily apparent in this world is not the true divine Masculine. This is what I was referring to when I mention the inclusion or exclusion of one over the other. A reemergence of the divine Feminine that attempts to balance the false masculine will result in a differing type of imbalance. I admit that it is difficult to put into words, but I will do my best.

Just as the Feminine is the expansive, creative, and unifying force, so the Masculine is the retractive, resolvant, and individuating force. Defeat is a product of the Masculine - brought on or brought to - whereas Victory is a product of the Feminine. It is the action that follows the realization, the practice that follows the conviction. Not to be cheesy, but the movie 300 is rife with references and allusions; from the king who ultimately acts with permission from his queen, to his and his men's unrelenting and unparalleled opposition to her (both the queen and the nation) adversaries. As with the reference to the Zulu, it is that which goes to war when war is inevitable and unavoidable. The Masculine is not wanton nor desirous of war and neither engages it offensively, but neither hesitates to wage it nor maintains it in the conclusion. In a Chess sense, the 'prevalent' masculinity is represented by the white side, while the divine Masculine is represented by black.

Please do not mistake war for 'conflict' or 'battle'. While these terms are somewhat interrelated, they are philosophically at cross purposes. War is for bringing about an end to existing conflict or battle, rather than being the continuation of it. Truly, the greatest aim of a Masculine warrior is to be rendered obsolete by an absence of conflict.

It is hard to describe the Masculine beyond comparison to the Feminine - as the latter is former in the universe's equation - or metaphorical examples as appear in nature. I apologize if this has been an insufficient depiction, as I admit I am not entirely satisfied with this effort; I will contemplate and return.

As an odds maker, I make odds high that solution must begin within the male. I base this on how I see the dynamic of the metaphors of the relationship between the spirit and physicality with respect to the current scenario on Earth at this time.

"Because the enemy does not exist in space, but in time; four thousand years ago. We are about to destroy each other and the world, because of profound mistakes made in Bronze Age patriarchal ontology -- mistakes about the nature of being, about the nature of human being in the world."

Monica Sjoo author of The Great Cosmic Mother: Rediscovering the Religion of the Earth

[SilentFeathers]

[...]

... from what I'm able to catch in this one so far, he's definitely coming across as a racist. :(

http://rediceradio.net/radio/2014/RIR-140804-johnlash.mp3

Not only the interviewee but, also, the interviewer. Both have had a change of coats.


For a long time I have appreciated Red Ice radio's interviews. Henrik Palmgren's interviews on a wide variety of topics for a long time seemed very much in accord with my interests, but in recent years, he has become increasingly racial in his focus, in a way that I would classify as being, at the very least, sympathetic to Neo-Nazi views. I've tried to ignore it, but it's gotten kind of obvious and pretty annoying to me.

[...]

... happened to other people too, like Stephen Greer.

It seems to be indicative of the Alt Media being under heavy attack - change of hearts...

Everyone changes to some degree over the years, even Graham Hancock sort of fell off the bar stool so to speak and is now enjoying tramping through the jungles trippin his brains out.

David Icke changed quite a bit too, but has basically remained on the same path, he has become a better motivational speaker IMO.

John Lash's research though has always been difficult to follow for me....I've researched the Nag Hamadi a lot over the years, and studied others that have, and still can not figure out where John Lash comes up with some of the stuff he has come up with from those texts, almost like a Sitchens interpreter.....

But like Wilcock, Lash has been for the most part fun and interesting to listen too, some good tid-bits, but mostly just good entertainment to a large degree for me.

This latest warrior thing and Lash's recent radical behavior is too much for me though, I'll file him away like I did Greer, Wilcock, and Hancock and not waste my time any more with him.

Henrick probably was afraid to disagree with Lash in this latest interview, he probably didn't want Lash to blow up and the interview to explode into a fiasco more than it already was....but he should of never agreed with him just to agree, as it obviously becomes apparent to the audience and Henric begins to lose his reputation among many too.

[Deega]

PL,

You meant spiritual honor (in defense of those in harm's way), not masculine honor (the kind currently killing girls and women), right?

Right. :)

I mean honor. I am not sure what you mean. Honor is honor. It does not forsake Life, innocent life most of all.

The meaning can become tainted, watching the "honor killings" taking place in other countries, killings apparently needed to restore "honor" to men, when their women and female children do not behave as they deem fit.

And I've grown up knowing for the most part, females are not considered to either have or need honor, which really appalls me...

I mean, I use honor as a baseline if you know what I mean.

Yeah!, I concur with you, "honor killings" is Middle Age mentality and Culture. And we also see it, particularly, in Religious circle. Honor killing is unacceptable in our day and age!

The best to everyone.

[Roisin]

"Because the enemy does not exist in space, but in time; four thousand years ago. We are about to destroy each other and the world, because of profound mistakes made in Bronze Age patriarchal ontology -- mistakes about the nature of being, about the nature of human being in the world."
Monica Sjoo author of "The Great Cosmic Mother: Rediscovering the Religion of the Earth"

My comment: It isn’t until men are able to place equal importance to intimate bonding and emotions as they do to pragmatism and technology that we will begin to see some real changes in the world around us. Males are conditioned to bond only with their peer group and in modernity an example of their conformity to the group is their uniform which is the business suit. As it is now and has been since the Bronze Age, uniformity is rewarded and individuality is disparaged.

"Honor killings" then and now exist to maintain societal uniformity, conformity and order as dictated by their group which is an ongoing emergence of those groups that existed before them from generation to generation.

It isn’t until more men are willing to become more independent by breaking away from their peer group when we will then see more of them embrace their own individuality and relate to those around them on a more intimate and emotional level than they do now. But until this happens, nothing will change.

[Hanson]

You cannot fight fire with fire - so why are people still trying?
I've heard that skilled fire fighters actually use this method with some success. I have also seen game theory show how "tit for tat" is the most successful strategy in dealing with the Prisoner's Dilemma, which is similar to the dilemma humanity is in with respect to the battle of good versus evil. "Tit for tat" is essentially fighting fire with fire.

[3(C)+me]

This fighting fire with fire can just cause more fire.
How about the war on terrorism, just creates more terrorists, which our government is well aware of because THEY LOVE THE COVER OF WAR. They are addicted to war. This war is not creating more peace, just look around. They will even lie so they can get into war in far flung countries. Someone on this thread talked about the negative energy produced by war and trauma which the Archon's live on. It's called loosh (thanks Gardener).
I think Lash wants to create this under the cover of fighting for good but really we are creating more loosh.

[Chester]

My comment: It isn’t until men are able to place equal importance to intimate bonding and emotions as they do to pragmatism and technology that we will begin to see some real changes in the world around us.


I would modify this to "place a greater importance"



Males are conditioned to bond only with their peer group and in modernity an example of their conformity to the group is their uniform which is the business suit.


My opinion is, conditioning or not, each of us are responsible... all of us and from both sexes and from each orientation.


It isn’t until more men are willing to become more independent by breaking away from their peer group when we will then see more of them embrace their own individuality and relate to those around them on a more intimate and emotional level than they do now. But until this happens, nothing will change.

In retrospect, this is what I did... almost all my close friends are female and the men I know, I know on a one on one basis... no groups involved and the ones I am close with are full of true, good heartedness. I am very fortunate that all three of my sons lead with their hearts more often than their heads.

I feel like I live in a bubble of true reality and I frankly cannot understand this planet at all whatsoever.

[Delight]

I've read and listened to a lot of John's material as have so many here, and this is my take fwiw. I'm quite sure he does not consider himself spiritual in any way. He has often stated he dislikes the very word. He had also said, frequently, that he is indeed arrogant, even grandiose and imperious (his words). He is not looking to be approved of or agreed with and could care less if people write with criticisms.

He sees himself as a shaman who has given the world the true story of Sophia and the archons. He feels the archons "vectored" a sect of jews a few thousand years ago and actually laid down a neurological pathway to control them. He feels they are to blame for the psychopathic evil on the planet which culminates in child sexual abuse. He has stated he doesn't want to live on a planet that allows this behavior and want to eliminate them all...every last one.

Henrik of Red Ice has been agreeing. They have said that the jews have a plan to genocide the white race and the immigration of people of color into Sweden appears to be motivating Hendrik. John feels Hitler was misunderstood.

I was very shocked this year when he delivered this material as I had been following his gaian navigational experiment. Because he is, IMO, a great storyteller I just fell in line with his pov. So glad to be free of it.

He is launching this war party now, so we may be seeing more interviews, etc. in the future. It's good that we are all on the same page.

This is a really useful thread and I have had the same perception in my experience with JLL...that he holds an imperious stance on his truth as being the truth. Following the navigational experiment was an internet drama of cult type leadership. As the interpretor of what Gaia/ Sophia communicates, he was not at all interested in other's experiences unless they validated his own.

When people become more and more disconnected from kindness, tolerance and relationship, I think it is from being hurt in some way. But the bitterness and disillusionment creates the opportunity for becoming a tool. IMO megalomaniacal and capable of harm is not an overnight move. I think it is really a slow churn. this time of year I always read "The Christmas Carol". Scrooge is my idea of a redeemed human.

Archons shmarkans is what i say. Love is opening us everyday.

[Hanson]

Since when did looking for a way to fight evil become evil?Your clue is found at the end of your statement when you used the word "fight." Bring in "fight" and you feed the paradigm that perpetuates fighting.
What word should we use? Oppose? Resist? Surrender to? Embrace? Getting lost in semantics is common in these discussions. Lash has been accused of being evil (by being Archonically infected or arrogant or racist) for his attempts at formulating a way to oppose evil. I find that to be a striking example of a no-win conundrum.


There is no fight in unconditional love, only understanding, compassion and... wisdomatically anchored patience based on the knowing that in a Universe such as ours, where the glue to its continuance is Love... "Love trumps all."
Does love really trump all? When has that ever happened? When will it happen? How much longer must we wait? Is the problem that we wait? Isn't the driving force behind Lash's search for a solution his observation that we are doing very little to effectively oppose evil?

I would love to see John Lash brought into this discussion.

[Wind]

Everyone changes to some degree over the years, even Graham Hancock sort of fell off the bar stool so to speak and is now enjoying tramping through the jungles trippin his brains out.

Indeed everyone changes, either for the better or worse, but what you said about Graham is unfair considering that he is perhaps one of the most clear-headed truthseekers out there with true integrity. I don't think he has changed for the worse, his shamanic trips have made him see the world in a much different way. Also his ayahuasca journeys helped him to get rid of his addictions so he is not "tripping his brains out". Obviously you would know this if you would have listened to his several interviews.

[Tangri]

I want to bump this tread when I came back from fishing trip with no fishing. I want to show that I noticed it.

What I want to say is already done by metaphorical posts, during his peek time in Avalon forum.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?77999-White-Cabals-can-be-easily-become-a-charlatan&p=912355&viewfull=1#post912355

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78185-Honey-Traps&p=914335&viewfull=1#post914335

[SilentFeathers]

Everyone changes to some degree over the years, even Graham Hancock sort of fell off the bar stool so to speak and is now enjoying tramping through the jungles trippin his brains out.

Indeed everyone changes, either for the better or worse, but what you said about Graham is unfair considering that he is perhaps one of the most clear-headed truthseekers out there with true integrity. I don't think he has changed for the worse, his shamanic trips have made him see the world in a much different way. Also his ayahuasca journeys helped him to get rid of his addictions so he is not "tripping his brains out". Obviously you would know this if you would have listened to his several interviews.

I never said he changed for the worse, I'm just not interested in what he's doing nor the path he's on right now. I've listen to some of his recent interviews and lost interest, but it sounds like he is having a great time doing what he's doing and that's all that really matters.....

[Sean]

Just had a nice walk between the Santa Monica Pier and venice beach..I do that when stuff has happened and I want to sort it out.

I was thinking about KWP, among other things, and a few things occurred to me.

1) He may NOT be a govt plant/controlled opposition. Seems like someone would have exposed him as such by now. Now..KWP.. KWP is, primarily a CONCEPT In the same way that Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do is a concept. sure, there are some core teachings..but everyone's JKD is individual. as Bruce said, "Absorb what is useful. discard what is not. Add what is uniquely your own". when applied to KWP, KWP begins to make sense. KWP, is basically a banner, a flag for like-minded people to rally under. What each person does, whether it's "kill spells" or just simple forum posting(dissent in all it's forms), it all has a place under this banner, and you can "fight" however you choose. Within the various bands, there is a lot of flexibility.

2) This ISN'T fighting fire with fire. Think of it like this: humanity has been getting it's ASS kicked for millenia, and there has been precious little response, at least at the 3D level. If someone walked up to you and punched you in the face, and, IN THE COURSE OF DEFENDING YOURSELF, you knock said person the eff out, would you say to the person defending themselves that they shouldn't, because "violence begets more violence"? if you would..imagine that the same perp puched your MOM in the face,or your wife or one of your kids. what would you do then? pray for him? or beat his ass and stop the ONGOING assault?

3) just because the vessel(John Lash) is imperfect(and, OMG, is he ever), that doesn't mean that this can't work. It CAN work, I have direct experience via another group that group-based. human-directed energy WORKS, for both good and evil. we spend a lot of time on Avalon talking about Haarp, and microwave weapons and so forth. Well, what is a Shaman but the human equivalent of the same? I know it works because I've done it.

4) We're not gonna "love" our way out of this. In any fight, you can't wish the opponent to stop. Evil must be CHECKED, first and foremost. everything else comes after. Love is possible, but ONLY WHEN THE ASSAULT HAS BEEN HALTED. does anyone here think the assault has been halted?

I'll wait.

5) Yes Virginia, they really ARE using magick against us. Of course they are. The elite are SATANISTS. They literally, through intention and ritual, worship dark power..and deploy it against humanity. Who's gonna stop that BUT offensive magick users? I've yet to actually meet a jedi, ya know? ;)

6)Blowback.I speak of Karma, here. what is the karmic price to be paid if shamans "go tactical"? Well, since you have the freedom to basically choose your "assignments" and "targets", let your own moral compass be your guide. The karmic price is what you're willing to bear, so choose your actions wisely.

7) Discrimination. I'm not gay, but, like most people, I don't like seeing anyone excluded. Builders of the Adytum does a similar thing. What Lash is speaking to, though, is not hating on gays because they're gay, it's the gay issue being used by TPTB to drive another wedge in humanity, just like racial issues are used. I know many gays, do not discriminate towards them in any way, shape or form. I think JL thinks gay members, would bring a fractious element when unity is required. I disagree,because he could say the same about any culture, so maybe this can be changed. I don't like it one bit.

I sum up thusly: John Lashs's idea is sound, regardless of how clumsily(and without any operational security) he presents it. He gave the framework, and left enough flexibility for people to expand it, fill in the many gaps. If you can set aside his asshole demeanor, and focus on what YOU want to accomplish in the fight against darkness..we might have something here. So..I'm in. Rank 4, Idris division. Focus: Astral warfare. Good to go

[Chester]

Since when did looking for a way to fight evil become evil?Your clue is found at the end of your statement when you used the word "fight." Bring in "fight" and you feed the paradigm that perpetuates fighting.
What word should we use? Oppose? Resist? Surrender to? Embrace? Getting lost in semantics is common in these discussions. Lash has been accused of being evil (by being Archonically infected or arrogant or racist) for his attempts at formulating a way to oppose evil. I find that to be a striking example of a no-win conundrum.



I suggest you do what you wish. I do. And fighting is not in my dynamic as it was when I was a young man. What changed? I came to know the power and truth of love. I then gave love a chance. The more I did this, the more I witnessed the profound... and I do not mean that the profoundly wondrous that materialized in my own life (which it did). I saw how the profoundly wondrous came forth in the lives of my loved ones and friends who were in the chain of love. Seeing that is a payoff beyond measure.

I also see that all the stories of our world are always filled with conflict, struggle... war. Whether its in our own current affairs, our 3D human history or if its inter stellar encounters, inter dimensional encounters - war, war war and more war.

So I simply thought to myself, maybe... just maybe war might never achieve a true victory where ever lasting peace is all that remains.

So if you wish to fight for peace, then go for it.



There is no fight in unconditional love, only understanding, compassion and... wisdomatically anchored patience based on the knowing that in a Universe such as ours, where the glue to its continuance is Love... "Love trumps all."
Does love really trump all? When has that ever happened? When will it happen? How much longer must we wait? Is the problem that we wait? Isn't the driving force behind Lash's search for a solution his observation that we are doing very little to effectively oppose evil?

I would love to see John Lash brought into this discussion.

Perhaps in your universe love has no power. If you enjoy the paradigm you experience, then I am glad for you and if you have figured out well enough for yourself what makes it work then push it like I push love.

Yet if in so doing you see again and again that the paradigm of conflict continues on and on and on and on... perhaps you should give love a try.

Think about the word you use... "evil." You give life to something by coming up with a word like that which takes the focus off the responsible... the "doers" - and instead venerates an abstract idea - "evil."

I heard the ex-president George Bush say on TV - "Evil exists." Why would he say that? Who does he want to believe this idea?

"Evil exists."

Does it? Or is it simply an illusion we give legs to?

I see mistakes. I see folks making mistakes. But the minute I point my finger at anything calling it evil, I suddenly remove my own responsibility for bringing difficult experiences into my life. Once that is done, I spin my wheels until I wake up if ever.

[Tangri]

This forum has its own potential, it attracts black-opps, schizophrenics , you have to filter all differences Between truth and fictions. even though some times Fictions carry out dusty particles of truth.

While doing very hard job to differentiate, we should not leave our civic behavior. Re discovering truth is a hard, cause of the its cloaking manner. some time small men resembles tall with its shadow when sun get close to set.
Don't let your self to believe he/she was the giant because his shadow is huge.

[Hanson]

"Evil exists." Does it? Or is it simply an illusion we give legs to?
"Love exists." Does it? Or is it simply an illusion we give legs to?

I think both love and evil exist and are not illusory. So help me to understand your perspective. Let's say I point to something in the world that I see as evil, say the murder of 3000+ people on September 11, 2001. Instead of calling the perpetrators "evil", I'm going to call them "loveless". I'm thinking that no matter how much love I manifest in the world, it's not going to affect the loveless 9/11 perpetrators. I'm thinking that they have a psychological deficiency that doesn't allow them to give or receive love like most people, which is essentially why they are loveless. Increasing the quantity and quality of love between loving humans is not going to have much, if any, impact on the loveless humans. So we have a serious problem that needs a solution, and love alone is not going to be the answer. Love may have an important role to play in finding the best solution for all parties involved, both the loving and the loveless, but love alone can't do the job. It takes more. So how does denying the reality of evil and exalting the power of love give us an effective solution?

[Delight]

I woke up this morning with a strong thought about living fractally. There is a polarity balance between extremes and we can observe it and balance it and we are each given the means and the reasons to balance by exeriencing the results of imbalance.

What is small and what is big, what is within and what is without are all self-similar. We can extrapolate from the microcosm to the macrocosm. Is this a fractal "world"?? I think it is so and the ancients said "As above so below, As within so without". This means to me not so much that one level of experience controls (like control from "Above") but that fractallity was known before the computer simulation displayed mathematically the behavior of our mode of experience by computer.

War is murderous in an attempt to regulate for social "good". IMO it is the craziest concept humans ever agreed to perform. But we each have emotion of grief and anger that hurts and wants a "reason"' and often we make other the "reason" for pain. But this projection is IMO the main reason we can be twisted into "nots" of relationship angst. IMO the "return of the feminine" is not anything other than simply...everyone has a mother and so everyone is a brother and sister and if we cannot enfold the whole and realize the fractal self similarity, we are doomed to repeat the rejection and have loss of cooperative relationship and lack of coherence IN THE BODY that IS cancer.

As a former RN, and knowing the truth about this dread "dis-ease", I am continuously amazed by the willingness to continue the slash and/or poison and/or burn one's own body response to the wayward behavior of cells. Cells become disconnected to the whole body. The only"cure"is to re- mind the cells that they are OF the body. Does this sound like the way JLL and all others who claim war is the answer to war direct us?

We have come far out on a limb of separation. IMO, the way to get back to the trunk is to laugh in the face of the message of hate and rejection of the SELF (the One of which is each is self-similar). IMO we have been told explicitly that each of us reflects the whole and when we re-mind our own body and display coherence in the microcosm of individual, we are the healing of the whole....THIS is the point IMO of Intellectually weaparated and emotionally dissociated GAIA/Sophia's children's correction .

Even though over and over we hear that cancer is just not that difficult to approach from a whole body coherence return, people still accept murder as a solution...juts kill the bad cells. Using many modalities: nutrition (whole food), communication (mind/body reconnection), oxygenation (breathing and exercise), emotional support for releasing blocked and stagnant energy(inner personal, interpersonal, trans-personal) we BALANCE.

I am not at all depressed by seeing my own imbalance and I will not make myself wrong for imperfection. IMO the willingness to trust we can EASILY be restored to balance is missing from all the pundits of DOOM. Then agreeing to be doomed, we fractally (as the collective) ignore the fact that imbalance is natural and also, so is correction.

[SilentFeathers]

Think about the word you use... "evil." You give life to something by coming up with a word like that which takes the focus off the responsible... the "doers" - and instead venerates an abstract idea - "evil."


The power of intention backs these actions which we tend to label, such as intentionally torturing and murdering another person we label as an "evil" deed....and often times label the aggressor a "psychopath" or "sicko".

Someone observing this sicko murdering someone and then calling them evil or the act itself evil, or both, the observer really is not giving life to something, but is labeling a horrendous action by another IMO, the person that committed the evil deed intentionally gave life to what we label as "evil" and the observer notices this, calling it what it is based on thousands of years of conditioning/labeling.

Evil is no more a reality or an illusion than love is; they both are just as real as any other intentions and or actions are; most of us know doing such terrible things to others is "wrong", just as most of us know doing compassionate and kinds things to others is "right"....the why (intention) behind "wrong" may be where the true meaning of "evil" is buried and hiding. The why (intention) behind "right" may be where the true meaning of "love" is buried and hides; both on opposite sides of the spectrum in which we live/exist in.

[SilentFeathers]

Think about the word you use... "evil." You give life to something by coming up with a word like that which takes the focus off the responsible... the "doers" - and instead venerates an abstract idea - "evil."


The power of intention backs these actions which we tend to label, such as intentionally torturing and murdering another person we label as an "evil" deed....and often times label the aggressor a "psychopath" or "sicko".

Someone observing this sicko murdering someone and then calling them evil or the act itself evil, or both, the observer really is not giving life to something, but is labeling a horrendous action by another IMO, the person that committed the evil deed intentionally gave life to what we label as "evil" and the observer notices this, calling it what it is based on thousands of years of conditioning/labeling.

Evil is no more a reality or an illusion than love is; they both are just as real as any other intentions and or actions are; most of us know doing such terrible things to others is "wrong", just as most of us know doing compassionate and kinds things to others is "right"....the why (intention) behind "wrong" may be where the true meaning of "evil" is buried and hiding. The why (intention) behind "right" may be where the true meaning of "love" is buried and hides; both on opposite sides of the spectrum in which we live/exist in.

ADDED: The question is to me, is John Lash's intention of promoting violence and killing for what he labels the "right" or "morally right" reasons not "evil"?

Personally I think he's gone a bit insane....

[Christine]

I am finding a fascination of sorts that a thread titled "War Party" is turning into a deepening discussion of consciousness. My own journey keeps walking me into the deeper substrata of our existence. We are so conditioned to look outwardly that to reverse the flow takes a lot of focus at first. However once the inner alignment starts "happening" a whole new sense of Self emerges.

I recently listened to this lady.. she speaks of fractals.


http://vimeo.com/17769179

[ulli]

I am finding a fascination of sorts that a thread titled "War Party" is turning into a deepening discussion of consciousness. My own journey keeps walking me into the deeper substrata of our existence. We are so conditioned to look outwardly that to reverse the flow takes a lot of focus at first. However once the inner alignment starts "happening" a whole new sense of Self emerges.

I recently listened to this lady.. she speak of fractals.


http://vimeo.com/17769179

I love it when physicists find the sub-quantum levels.
It has to be the most enlightening moment in anyone's life.

And while for some it means to continue with wood chopping and water carrying,
for others it means jumping into new actions they would have been too timid to engage in before the event.

You mention 'reversing'. I always used to call it U-turn. (Maybe because my name begins with U ;0 ).

When I went deeper into this I discovered that U-turns, or reversals, become more frequent as one keeps growing in consciousness.
And that is where the word "frequency" becomes really meaningful....

To those who haven't been there it looks like one might be switching sides, but as with a pendulum in motion, one learns to see both sides of the picture.
And as consciousness rises, so does emotional detachment.

Which is perhaps what many thinkers like JLL and even Kevin Annett lack, when it comes to their personal agenda.

They have taken so long to get to their current positions that they have become identified with their targets,
to the point that they are displaying similar attributes.

[Gardener]

:) love it.. Transmutation at its finest. Christine I always know I can read your written thoughts and find validation, naughty I know lol but there we are. This lady Katya Walter is a Jungian and many (not all) Jungians have walked their shadowlands (good and bad) hundreds of hours of it so I listen.

Though we are all on a path we are in differing stages of each aspect of that path (fractal indeed) hence what resonates with one will not be the same for another, yet both are in just the right place for them, their beingness is honoured. Maybe calling Love - 'love', presents a perception which changes over time individually allowing our projections to return home and heal us, by saying 'I am that' and acknowledging it is when the 'war party' will end as just a perspective, when it comes home, JLL included. It was a bit of a watershed for me when I learned that the unconscious also contains great good and powerful aspects of which we are afraid.

I am finding a fascination of sorts that a thread titled "War Party" is turning into a deepening discussion of consciousness. My own journey keeps walking me into the deeper substrata of our existence. We are so conditioned to look outwardly that to reverse the flow takes a lot of focus at first. However once the inner alignment starts "happening" a whole new sense of Self emerges.

I recently listened to this lady.. she speaks of fractals.


http://vimeo.com/17769179

[donk]

Speaking of fractals (and transmuting energy), the most surprising thing for me was the synchronicity for his choice of names for his "war party"...because...

BEHOLD...KALI...soon to be the newest of the donk family:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=28506&d=1420468426


I chose the name for her well before hearing of Lash's concept....actually probably close to right after being really pleased with JL's recent retelling of the Sophia story...I hadn't really thought much of it (or him) until recently...which has my suspicion mind thinking:

Why does it always seem I become enamored with a personality, that it catches my attention in a way I feel "special" for having noticed. It's like a program where the individual consuming the information gets all excited like they found some great truth, something different...then it gets cycled through the usual channels/cycle...and not only that brilliant-light-bulb-aha!!!-thought is lost in the sh!tstorm caused by some seemingly uncharacteristic behavior--and boom...baby, bathwater, important message,any lesson to be learned (other than "the messenger is a poopy-face I always shoulda suspected in the first place" or "I'm ever-so-clever-I-recognized-his-poopiness coming"...seemingly the lessons we like to tell each other the most)...out the window...is this the evolving, ever more sophisticated way of "trapping" those paying attention to the "alternative media"?? It sure as hell throws me for a loop every once in a while...and it is something I feel like I can see coming.

Anyways...just my fractally take on what I see as a pattern. Maybe it's just me...

[Sean]

Speaking of fractals (and transmuting energy), the most surprising thing for me was the synchronicity for his choice of names for his "war party"...because...

BEHOLD...KALI...soon to be the newest of the donk family:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=28506&d=1420468426


I chose the name for her well before hearing of Lash's concept....actually probably close to right after being really pleased with JL's recent retelling of the Sophia story...I hadn't really thought much of it (or him) until recently...which has my suspicion mind thinking:

Why does it always seem I become enamored with a personality, that it catches my attention in a way I feel "special" for having noticed. It's like a program where the individual consuming the information gets all excited like they found some great truth, something different...then it gets cycled through the usual channels/cycle...and not only that brilliant-light-bulb-aha!!!-thought is lost in the sh!tstorm caused by some seemingly uncharacteristic behavior--and boom...baby, bathwater, important message,any lesson to be learned (other than "the messenger is a poopy-face I always shoulda suspected in the first place" or "I'm ever-so-clever-I-recognized-his-poopiness coming"...seemingly the lessons we like to tell each other the most)...out the window...is this the evolving, ever more sophisticated way of "trapping" those paying attention to the "alternative media"?? It sure as hell throws me for a loop every once in a while...and it is something I feel like I can see coming.

Anyways...just my fractally take on what I see as a pattern. Maybe it's just me...


Adorable :)

I suppose some of you found my post in defense of KWP distasteful, as no one responded to it etc. Oh well. I've found that, in the pursuit of higher consciousness, a lot of spiritual people find themselves frozen with inaction. Passivity seems to rule. "getting your hands dirty" is looked down on.

there are times action is required.

Where has inaction gotten us? Just asking.

[Christine]

Oh hello workingactor, (glad you have work)

Action is indeed needed.. HOWEVER, beware the call you heed. I have long stood my ground on the front line and so know the battles and the bruises. I don't say this so my ego gets stroked. Recently and actually in response to speaking with John Lamb Lash.. (reinserting the Lamb in the Lash) I found myself taking up the sword and cry of liberation. Powerful call.

What came to me with time and introspection was that I had moved into the archetype of Joan of Arc.. so much so that in one week I had three people tell me they were certain I was her in a past life. :)

So I sat with her and felt all she had to say.. I loved her for her passion and bravery. How she stood up to her abusers and the priestly class of black magicians. Power flowed in my veins. And I waited. And then she told me of the pain of the battle, of all those who followed her and were slaughtered. She emptied her heart of pain into my own heart. And how the continuous fight didn't end in victory. I listened. So I withdrew my consent to battle, she reminded me of lessons learned.

All I can stand on is this ground under my feet.. to know myself and resonate ever more clear into creation. It is difficult to stand still in the midst of the storm. And yet what chance have we if we don't BEcome Peace ourselves. The old archetypes, gods and goddesses, exist in our memory to remind us of what we have already been.

Who can accept the challenge of the unknown? It isn't easy as our patterns are deeply etched.

I couldn't thank your post without comment.


I sum up thusly: John Lashs's idea is sound, regardless of how clumsily(and without any operational security) he presents it. He gave the framework, and left enough flexibility for people to expand it, fill in the many gaps. If you can set aside his asshole demeanor, and focus on what YOU want to accomplish in the fight against darkness..we might have something here. So..I'm in. Rank 4, Idris division. Focus: Astral warfare. Good to go

[Delight]

Speaking of fractals (and transmuting energy), the most surprising thing for me was the synchronicity for his choice of names for his "war party"...because...

BEHOLD...KALI...soon to be the newest of the donk family:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=28506&d=1420468426


I chose the name for her well before hearing of Lash's concept....actually probably close to right after being really pleased with JL's recent retelling of the Sophia story...I hadn't really thought much of it (or him) until recently...which has my suspicion mind thinking:

Why does it always seem I become enamored with a personality, that it catches my attention in a way I feel "special" for having noticed. It's like a program where the individual consuming the information gets all excited like they found some great truth, something different...then it gets cycled through the usual channels/cycle...and not only that brilliant-light-bulb-aha!!!-thought is lost in the sh!tstorm caused by some seemingly uncharacteristic behavior--and boom...baby, bathwater, important message,any lesson to be learned (other than "the messenger is a poopy-face I always shoulda suspected in the first place" or "I'm ever-so-clever-I-recognized-his-poopiness coming"...seemingly the lessons we like to tell each other the most)...out the window...is this the evolving, ever more sophisticated way of "trapping" those paying attention to the "alternative media"?? It sure as hell throws me for a loop every once in a while...and it is something I feel like I can see coming.

Anyways...just my fractally take on what I see as a pattern. Maybe it's just me...


Adorable :)

I suppose some of you found my post in defense of KWP distasteful, as no one responded to it etc. Oh well. I've found that, in the pursuit of higher consciousness, a lot of spiritual people find themselves frozen with inaction. Passivity seems to rule. "getting your hands dirty" is looked down on.

there are times action is required.

Where has inaction gotten us? Just asking.

The pup is adorable.

IMO action is very different from reaction.
Defense and offense are two sides of a coin.

One of my friends and I have had long conversations about using action in support FOR what we consider valuable.

Here is an example of food and the concern about denatured food. If one supports action that is FOR what we value like organic, non GMO food, one will buy a certain kind of food and ignore what is not valued. One will not claim to honor organic food but in lack thinking eat fast food. One will cook at home, raise a small garden, buy local grass fed and free range eggs, meat. One will support all the avenues that lead TOWARDS the desired food.

One will talk about what is valued, seek knowledge that leads to greater wholeness. Example, culturing vegetables may mitigate the effect of pesticides.

Allof this is action and not reaction.

If there are predators that seek to undermine the quality of food, they can only operate by persuading us to eat their food for fear we have no other options.

Parasit-ation feeds off unhealthy conditions. In the body small we can cleanse by methods such as eating large amounts of food that are anathema to the parasite. One could do a cleanse, take probiotics OR even just use a "green supplement" for extended periods of time until the conditions of the gut change to be an environment that is inhospitable to parasites. In the larger body, starving the parasite is the same by ignoring giving it its food source.

IN the course of being a part of PA, I have seen that in the larger body of what I call the conspiratual community (a realm where people are figuring out truth and seeking larger conscious understanding), there is an environment that is hospitable to inflamed egoic rhetoric. The people who gain audience often seem IMO to call for reaction AGAINST rather than action that supports what we choose to have in our experience. The condition of fear that we hold ourselves and lack of empowerment of knowing what we may do to create a healthy experience makes us susceptible to denatured concepts IMO.

IMO an acceptance of bad ideas is like junk food for the mind and is lacking nutrition and even poisonous. IMO it is not wrong that people hold ideas that will not aid our development because like everything, the learning curve of successful life has stages. The desire to spread half baked ideas and gain an audience is pernicious because IMO, we are responsible for the influence we wield. IMO hasty and un-helpful plans retard the progress of those who plan them more than anyone. Making oneself a spokesman means leadership. We are not able to avoid the responsibility of what we as "leaders" persuade others is true. IMO to speak FOR what we value is really our own way of cleansing our own mental experience.

[Hanson]

"Because we must fight for the things that are really valuable in our lives, otherwise they will be taken away from us." --- Sir Julian Rose

I think this is fundamentally where John Lash is coming from.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YddHSuHWe2o

[donk]

I see where he is coming from, and admire his passion, confidence in his “intel”, and desire to create something actionable.

I even might have been on board, give me a kill spell and a target that is unquestionably better of not sharing our plane of existence and I’d fire it up…still might, if you could convince me I was killing a Sith Lord, and not a redeemable Darth Vader.

He is one of the ones who taught me that engaging with psychopathy, which I consider the human manifestation of (relative-to-human) evil, it is unwise to engage in battle in the traditional way. In experience, I learned (from his talks with Thomas Sheridan, who I assume is in the process of being captured, and who seems more militant and angry by the day—judging from his facebooking) that just not giving them your energy (if you are able to escape their presence) is the best way to deal with them

I realize that leaves a wandering psycho looking for the next victim, but I am not in agreement with a (public) army of sex magick practicianers and other various warriors directly engaging in the enemy’s game. I’m sorry to say, I just can’t get on board, and will continue actively aiding and teaching as many as I can those who deal with “evil” whether it be the external threat or their own demons.

I don’t vote, intentionally. I consider my deliberate non-participation not as inaction, but a refusal to empower a lie. Right now, to me, any form of “war” is a lie…I am beginning to conclude the good versus evil thing is someone else’s game…and I sho ain’t feedin any loosh-suckers intentionally until I am certain my action is true.

[Sean]

"Because we must fight for the things that are really valuable in our lives, otherwise they will be taken away from us." --- Sir Julian Rose

I think this is fundamentally where John Lash is coming from.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YddHSuHWe2o


great stuff here. This man acknowledges that humanity has opposition, and recognizes the need to fight.

I agree that, that's really all JL is trying to say.

[RUSirius]

John holds a certain "thin red line", to me he is hammering home the truth of Sophia/Gaia, he is a warrior, maybe its my human conditioning and old way of thinking, but good warriors are good to have, and definitely not perfect in every way. And warriors, like any of us don't have the entire multi level story of our history up until now. I don't think any other detail but Sophia/Gaia matters to John, and in his mind nothing else should matter, even though there are many other true stories of importance out there its not real truth to him, its unimportant. It comes off arrogant, and I have noticed less patience in his voice over the last two years or so, probably because he is less patient. I think its good to have good warriors, that's his role here. Warrior is also not the only "job" on this planet that is needed and important, he may have forgotten that, not everyone is or should be a warrior, I don't think I am, but I've never been tested either.

[araucaria]

I have just caught up with this important thread. At this point, I have little to add to a couple of posts I made last year:

I don’t think the hatred that some entities show towards us and John Lash’s hatred towards them can be equated. He is not coming from a place of fear. He states fairly clearly that it is love of life that leads to hate of non-life or anti-life: hence he can hate the one without thereby succumbing to (fear-based) hatred. The trouble is, I’m not at all sure how he intends to do this.

In Not in His Image Lash spends a lot of time ‘badmouthing Jesus’, whom he sees as a proponent of ‘redeemer ethics’. This is not necessarily true, although he can be and has been made to look that way, and Lash has bought into that view. Here is a relevant paragraph, from page 256:


Jesus was wrong on a lot of counts but perhaps supremely so on on one issue. Of all the dubious advice pronounced in the New Testament, one commandment is particularly harmful: the famous injunction to ‘resist not evil’ and ‘turn the other cheek’. If everyone did this what kind of society would result? If everyone turned the other cheek, who would be striking the blows? Well, obviously, no one. If everyone in the world followed the command, ‘turn the other cheek,’ there would be no need to turn the other cheek, because no one would be acting harmfully toward anyone else. The principle is patently absurd and cancels itself out, but taken on faith it serves an unmistakable purpose: to give total liberty to the perpetrators. The argument is fine, only the conclusion is erroneous. The principle is not patently absurd at all, and does not cancel itself out. It merely traces a path towards a goal, and when that goal is reached, people will be turning the other cheek only to receive another kiss. So the principle is fine as well, or very nearly. Lash’s quibble is with ‘everyone’, which for him is unachievable. He goes on, ‘To propose a code of morality that relies on the good will of perpetrators to desist from their ways is a real stroke of schizoid genius. One may begin to wonder if such a code does not originate with the perpetrators in the first place.’

‘Resist not evil’ comes from the King James Bible. It is well known that this, even supposing the original gospels to be authentic, this political version certainly is not: it is the work of the above-mentioned ‘perpetrators’ (who sound like traitors in perpetuity). And here is evidence of their handiwork: every other translation says, not ‘evil’, but ‘evil person’ or words to that effect, which changes everything.
http://biblehub.com/matthew/5-39.htm
Of course we have to resist evil; simply, we don’t resist the person. How do we combine these seeming contraries? By, counterintuitively, turning the other cheek. What is the alternative? Retaliating? Punishing? Eliminating people? We know enough about death to understand that capital punishment never solved a problem.

What is the problem with everyone (I’d prefer to say ‘enough people’) turning the other cheek is that it has hardly ever been tried. But on a smaller scale, Mandela’s Truth and Reconciliation in South Africa shows that it ought to work.

This issue has already been discussed on the forum, notably in terms of the rabid dog. How do you remove the rabies without killing the dog? The dilemma is predicated on the incurability of rabies for presentday materialist medicine – and the analogy works when transposed to psychopathy, which is also currently incurable. The long-term answer, therefore, is not to kill the dog but to find a cure. The cure to be found will be through enlightened spiritual healing processes, which of course rules out violence of any kind, violence being in any case a major symptom of the very condition requiring treatment.

Only last Thursday, we discovered the names of the two battlefields in northern France where two of my wife’s great-uncles were killed in 1915, only three days apart as it happens. Yesterday, quite by chance, we strayed onto one of those battlefields over 200 miles from here. One of those graves will be on, or just off, the photo below, one of thousands in one of the countless military cemeteries in this part of the world.


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The paradox of this assault on the divine feminine we call war is that the victims here are all MEN who have been forced to turn their back on their inner feminine. This is perhaps no paradox when you see how it is actually feminine energy that is channeled into warmongering and how when that energy source is cut off the warmongering is no longer effective:



We see this happening negatively on a large scale and in a flagrant manner with Hitler, who drew this female energy through mesmerizing huge crowds of swooning German women, and channeling that energy to his victorious armies. There came a point however when he stopped making speeches and his armies started losing battles. No coincidence there, not even a meaningful one: simple cause and effect – I guess the women had stopped listening or at least were no longer hysterical enough. The turning point was the Wannsee conference of 20 January 1942, when the ‘Final solution’ kicked in and Hitler switched to a backup supply of female energy in the shape of the meekest of the meek, Jewish women and children – no doubt the wearing of the Seal of Solomon was intended to further this process. What went so wrong for him, I suggest, was that some (enough) German women were made of sterner stuff and stood up to the dictator, i.e. exhibited manly virtues. Take for example Marie ‘Missie’ Vassiltchikov, whose Berlin Diaries describe her long-term involvement in the plot to kill Hitler, much longer in fact (over a year) than Stauffenberg, who was a late recruit. Incidentally, she gives an interesting account of what probably happened. On the day of the assassination attempt on 20 July 1944, Gottfried von Bismarck-Schönhausen told her repeatedly, ‘”It’s just not possible! It’s a trick! Stauffenberg saw him dead.” “They” were staging a comedy and getting Hitler’s double to go on with it.’ That would certainly explain how Hitler’s ‘suicide’ is disinfo and his alleged postwar survival just takes us further from the truth. The man was already dead. (Alternatively, all these stories are true, and we are dealing with a case of ‘multiplicatio’ as a multi-headed monster). Meanwhile, or maybe consequently is a better word, the manly vice of obedient aggression was sufficiently blunted in enough of the fighting men. Why did the Normandy landings go so horribly wrong for Hitler? Because on D-Day (6 June 44) Rommel (who was also plotting against his life) was back home celebrating his wife’s 50th birthday bringing her a pair of shoes – the right place to be (self-demobilization) and a fitting gift: after all the jackboots, it was time for woman to walk tall.

The big thing here is that nobody actually did anything much. While many of the plotters paid the ultimate price for achieving very little – they may have killed Hitler, or maybe just a lookalike, or maybe just injured one or the other – lot of little things happened

[Roisin]

A wise man once said: “The meek shall inherent the Earth” because archonic entities are attracted to anyone who has a big ego as it’s those one’s who are more receptive to possession in return for more power and control over others.

So one way to fight the enemy, is to become more humble and to love others, unconditionally… with all your heart, mind and soul. If you are too busy judging others, then there’s no time left to love them instead.

[SilentFeathers]

Lash's vigilante style targeted violence and his perception of "morally right" assassinations against the enemies of life is a suicide like approach in my opinion.

By-passing the rules of law and a judicial type of system that we ourselves must abide to on a daily basis makes us no better than the cronies he calls the enemies of life.

The enemies of life ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW; we have just been brainwashed and conditioned to think for the most part that they are. We ourselves basically have allowed these enemies of life to become so powerful that we allow them to make their own rule books and run amok without any accountability.....

About the only thing I do agree with Lash on is that something really needs to be done now, but getting into a physical war with them is not wise, they hold all the firepower/weapons and basically have no problem with mass extermination. The enemies of life have proven to us time and time again that they can't do a damn thing without first writing it down on paper and using a game plan/agenda type of "instruction book". They also to a large degree do follow the rule of law and when they see the need to break these laws they change them so that they are no longer in violation.

If enough people stood up and demanded justice arrests would begin and those not arrested at first would scatter like cockroaches......they know this is possible, that's why they are begiining to outlaw protests and gathers and freedom of speech etc etc etc....

[donk]

I am going to have to disagree with you silentfeathers, not only are they above the law….they brainwash us to accept them as a necessity.

I feel that you are the one brainwashed if you think we cannot live without the courts and laws and the current justice system….or that their existence aids in “accountability”.

Standing up and demanding justice? Controlled Opposition 101…text book.

Go shake your fists at the controllers, then write a strongly worded letter to your elected “representative”, then vote….and tell me where that gets ya…how it aided humanity...

[ulli]

I am going to have to disagree with you silentfeathers, not only are they above the law….they brainwash us to accept them as a necessity.

I feel that you are the one brainwashed if you think we cannot live without the courts and laws and the current justice system….or that their existence aids in “accountability”.

Standing up and demanding justice? Controlled Opposition 101…text book.

Go shake your fists at the controllers, then write a strongly worded letter to your elected “representative”, then vote….and tell me where that gets ya…how it aided humanity...

The justice system isn't all bad, if the participants can remain free from corrupting influences.
Everyone was born with an inner gauge of what justice means...it means fairness and balance, and equal rights for all.
Advocating acts of violence has consequences which cannot be computed beforehand.
Just as surgery is now being questioned as a method of removing cancer cells, so should acts of violence, such as capital punishment, and even incarceration.
It's about creating an environment where neither physical illness can thrive, nor emotional, nor mental.
All culprits look for redemption, if society can only offer it.

[SilentFeathers]

I am going to have to disagree with you silentfeathers, not only are they above the law….they brainwash us to accept them as a necessity.

I feel that you are the one brainwashed if you think we cannot live without the courts and laws and the current justice system….or that their existence aids in “accountability”.

Standing up and demanding justice? Controlled Opposition 101…text book.

Go shake your fists at the controllers, then write a strongly worded letter to your elected “representative”, then vote….and tell me where that gets ya…how it aided humanity...

Perhaps I'm just having a "wishful thinking" moment! lol!

War and slaughter seems to be the only solution I suppose.....like a skipping record of history.............yeap, thats the way Donk, justice is futile?

[donk]

The justice system isn't all bad, if the participants can remain free from corrupting influences.


The relationship it is based on is one of control, not personal responsibility. Just because some good comes despite that does not mean we will be able to change it into something empowering to humanity, imo. It is rooted in lies, a paradigm that keeps us enslaved. We can hope for a better form of slavery, at best.

It is the institutionalization of a favored American parenting method, the old "BECAUSE I SAID SO" authority game. Not trusting us kiddies with any of our own power (responsibility). I understand it is hard to imagine anything different, but I'm hellbent on trying....


All culprits look for redemption, if society can only offer it.


....ah, there's the rub, idn't it?? John Lash disagrees, depending on my mood, I'm inclined to as well. Are there actually those that are "irredeemable", in the sense that they need to feed off of our emotional energy--making that "good" for them...as it sustains them? That need to be "healed" like an invading pathogen in our meatbag?

Is this "them" really an external critter, as the JL camp postulates? Or is it just the "dark side" of 'human nature', as the hard-core "go-within-ers" will have you believe?

Like I said: I dunno...depends on my mood. It has seemed to me that Lash was on to something here. And it must have occured to them, too....just like every other institiution originally intended to aid humanity (like courts and justice systems), one subtle twist is all it takes to change the path from something that helps us to steering into an unseen trap, patting ourselves on the back on the way into the mouth of the crocodile...

But until I'm sure, I err on the side of NOT KILLING, of keeping violence the last resort. All is not lost...for humanity....yet. I believe someday we can make it true: what if there was a war no one showed up for? That’s the starting point I spend my energy trying to figure out how to create…

[donk]

yeap, thats the way Donk, justice is futile?


Not futile...it's an ideal, something to work toward...to live for.

We often confuse such concepts with "rights"...a concept I believe is an intentional mind-f*ck

In my reality, what we call rights are actually privledges those of us more fortunate have the luxury of controlling, to greater or lesser extents. Understanding this would go a long way in empowering "the masses".

[SilentFeathers]

yeap, thats the way Donk, justice is futile?


It's an ideal, something to work toward...to live for.

We often confuse such concepts with "rights"...a concept I believe is an intentional mind-f*ck

In my reality, what we call rights are actually privledges those of us more fortunate have the luxury of controlling, to greater or lesser extents. Understanding this would go a long way in empowering "the masses".

I totally do see your point in your last few posts....I hope you see mine; at least with some hope. That's really why I even consider what I said a possibility, as I am a person who does hold on to hope, even though it does seem quite hopeless....

6000 yrs or so of a skipping record of blood and guts, mass slaughter and downright evil does make it look like basic human nature.....but, it does also start with a few arrogant power hungry people and escalates in to a massive enslavement, then wars.....for the majority though, most just want simple peaceful lives and to avoid being slaughtered or to be the one slaughtering.

It really is a sad situation, and has been for thousands of yrs when it comes to this destructive side of human behavior...

Because of this behavior we do need some form of rules and accountability, some form of justice system just to somehow try to restrict ourselves from behaving this way.......

[donk]

IMO, justice (and the rest of our “god-given rights”) are actually luxuries of being higher on Maslow’s (very real, accurate) hierarchy of needs than the survival level.

The fact that those closer to the “actualization” peak have manipulated the arrangement of living for humanity so that most are struggling at the bottom survival level makes such concepts as relative as good & evil.

As long as there’s hierarchies (inequality), it’s fallacy to speak of “rights”. Those “above” on the pyramid have the MEANS to determine the “rights” of those “below”.

The attraction (for me) to the Sophianic myth is that idea that we were given a true, basic equality in that we are all creations of greater whole (like renal cells to a kidney, or maybe a kidney to a mammal?). That we were given great power, and the responsibility that comes with it…in a grand social experiment where it appears a “capstone” of self-serving individuals warped it to their vision.

And what this discussion does is reveals a divide, one that needs to be reconciled with truth for us to have solid footing going forward. The two camps are those that believe those “individuals” are driven by a “human” characteristic, the shadow in our souls…and those that believe greed/selfishness/competition is a completely anti-human, totally alien parasitic idea.

Ulli mentions pendulums, I am certainly one on this issue—depedning on my most recent experience. I try to work this out in every single interaction I have in my real life (and obviously all my nonsense here)…and I imagine they are both right…that we have to determine where the pendulum is relative our now experiences.

JL has obviously founded a camp he is comfortable with, and taking full responsibility, walking his walk. It looks like extremism from the outside looking in, looks sound, unstoppable and fool-proof from the inside. It is in a lot of ways pioneering, cutting-edge…while at the same time as old and tires as war itself.

If we can find balance, we can find a way. We need to do it through loving detachment of the issues. Being critical of the parts that resonate while being open to the parts that don’t. Accepting that we are all flawed individuals hooked on one lie or another, so need to let go of that…and approach everything with the possibility of finding something new(er) in it.

In the end, it feels like truth will emerge…in one way or another. Seems like it always does….

[Delight]

IMO, justice (and the rest of our “god-given rights”) are actually luxuries of being higher on Maslow’s (very real, accurate) hierarchy of needs than the survival level.

The fact that those closer to the “actualization” peak have manipulated the arrangement of living for humanity so that most are struggling at the bottom survival level makes such concepts as relative as good & evil.

As long as there’s hierarchies (inequality), it’s fallacy to speak of “rights”. Those “above” on the pyramid have the MEANS to determine the “rights” of those “below”.

The attraction (for me) to the Sophianic myth is that idea that we were given a true, basic equality in that we are all creations of greater whole (like renal cells to a kidney, or maybe a kidney to a mammal?). That we were given great power, and the responsibility that comes with it…in a grand social experiment where it appears a “capstone” of self-serving individuals warped it to their vision.

And what this discussion does is reveals a divide, one that needs to be reconciled with truth for us to have solid footing going forward. The two camps are those that believe those “individuals” are driven by a “human” characteristic, the shadow in our souls…and those that believe greed/selfishness/competition is a completely anti-human, totally alien parasitic idea.

Ulli mentions pendulums, I am certainly one on this issue—depedning on my most recent experience. I try to work this out in every single interaction I have in my real life (and obviously all my nonsense here)…and I imagine they are both right…that we have to determine where the pendulum is relative our now experiences.

JL has obviously founded a camp he is comfortable with, and taking full responsibility, walking his walk. It looks like extremism from the outside looking in, looks sound, unstoppable and fool-proof from the inside. It is in a lot of ways pioneering, cutting-edge…while at the same time as old and tires as war itself.

If we can find balance, we can find a way. We need to do it through loving detachment of the issues. Being critical of the parts that resonate while being open to the parts that don’t. Accepting that we are all flawed individuals hooked on one lie or another, so need to let go of that…and approach everything with the possibility of finding something new(er) in it.

In the end, it feels like truth will emerge…in one way or another. Seems like it always does….

Two things.... the reason we are talking about JLL and the Kalika war party is because JLL is presenting a perspective that we are seemingly asked to join (or decline).
Of course this makes a dichotomy and from nature's wisdom entirely false. There are many assumptions that are the back story to the offer and a BIG LIE IMO that when dispelled will create the thinking from to a new experience on earth. The whole model JLL presents is imposing man's ignorant behavior on divine reality IMO.

1. IMO, one Big Ass-umption is that something terribly wrong and unjust must be "corrected" socially at the level of the present "civilization". IMO the assumption stick to that is "OR else" (because only something absolutely chillingly horrible would call for so drastic a measure). There is no faith in the future without "warriors". This is the problem in the problem, reaction, solution chain.

2. The "problem, reaction, solution" chain is IMO a part of the matrix technosphere and leaves "man" in control. Nature actually displays a cycle of experience of full faith that is highly inclusive of seemingly bad (if one cannot see the whole picture) but necessary phases. Examples: like death of a seed to become a pant. The death of leaves on trees to become soil. The winter when everything appears dead but as we know is not death but regeneration.

JLL predicates everything on his exclusive interaction with GAIA. This is absurd humor and the joke is on him IMO. This GAIAN reality is so good, so responsive, so able to change and heal, so intelligent and so full of wonder that IMO if JLL spent a 10th of his energy on a focus on the true and in praise, he would be healed of his grief.

IMO, the biggest break off we must face is the one with the intellectually designed technosphere and all the stupidity we have accumulated by beliefs based on artifice.

There are so many original (as in origin as in GAIA/Sophia) knowers like (just a few) "Victor Schauberger (URL="http://youtu.be/ItsSYwTSnTY), Viktor Grebennikov (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUOUFTzn9Fo), Luther Burbank (http://mentalfloss.com/article/57818/10-crazy-creations-plant-wizard-luther-burbank), George Washington Carver (http://pmhatwater.hypermart.net/resources/PDFs/Articles/Guardians.pdf).

And when did we ever have access to so much knowledge of these great communicators with Gaia/Sophia's truth until the present internet (through which JLL communicates) and the opportunity to communicate truth (as in PA's forum) and encourage new systems and love what is possible? It is NOW.

Is evil real? Evil is Live backwards.

[donk]

I'm not sure I understand your "two things", Maggie?

And I know I don't understand that last sentence

I agree with what I can make out of your post...but I feel like I'm definitely missing something...

[donk]

There's one division you have to be clear on, where we may all find common ground: either there's free will and YOU're acting on it, or not.

Free will trumps entitlement, makes a lie of the concept of "rights" (definitely) and "good and evil" (maybe, except in a relativistic way).

Free will means whatever a conscious being chooses is "good". It throws entitlement out the window. It makes information (truth) into power

[donk]

I mean, the way I see it: JL believes that there are beings that are an byproduct of the process of our creation, that they are anomalous in that they impose upon our free will. He has decided that the universe told him that in the social experiment that he exists in that these entities need to be erased.

I liken it to a lab, where clorax is used to sterilized the testing table. The table being the petri dish for beings like us to thrive. He supposes that ideally it should be done (us living a life, playing it out in these meatbags on that petri dish) without interference of these “things”.

It gets touchy, as he equates the “things” that need to be bleached out is races or religions or mindsets…all of which we have different emotional attachments to. He has a specific subset of existence, that some of us value…and take offense at what we see as callously dismissing any value of their being within our existence.

So the reality is we are molecules in the clorax. His clorax recipe uses specific ingredients to target specific items he perceives as pathogenic toward the experiment as he believes it will play out.

We get all bent on our own various emotional attachments to different parts the experiment, and our own beliefs about it’s original intent.

That’s why “truth” of our origins is so important. That’s why being flexible about your beliefs is vital. Whenever you decide YOUR IDEA of the way this is supposed play out is realized, it necessarily imposes on the free will of every other free will being with awareness of your projection.

The projecter (ideally) doesn’t give a rat’s @ss what you think about it, not if they know they are right.

Maybe someone’s gotta be right some day? Maybe everyone’s always right, every day?

All I know, is that it probably ain’t exactly as you (or he, or I) perceive it to be…

[Delight]

I'm not sure I understand your "two things", Maggie?

And I know I don't understand that last sentence

I agree with what I can make out of your post...but I feel like I'm definitely missing something...

I may be obscure? I hope it's Ok to try to rephrase and elaborate with my opinion (I have one too hehe).

1. There is an assumption that something about "what is happening" is terribly wrong and needs a drastic solution of direct and violent intervention. I do not know that this is the case from a "bigger picture" of our whole experience on earth. I do agree we went down a very hard road full of suffering. the experience of "mind" creating an artificial reality and preferring its artifice of hierarchy and "power over" looks unpleasant to me. BUT, what has separated and distorted offers a contrast to what feels "good and whole". IMO the correction is about claiming our natural opportunity to return to the "Law of Life"The consequences of a path leading to a cul de sac reveals how much we might desire a radical change?

2. David Icke states there is a matrix ( I would call it the 3D landscape that may indeed and I think IS holographic projecton but "lawful"??). This original matrix was Hacked by mind itself (free will) to create an artificial technosphere we call civilization. Managing with "problem reaction solution" to what is accepted as real is not addressing how to resume the possible original intention of the matrix (as a place to learn maybe from the natural law and gift of Sophia/Gaia where always cycling abundance and ever refreshing change teaches us the truth)? Is this "wrong" that we went this way? Free will of our consiousness learning by choosing?

Life is experienced backwards sometimes, carts before horses and all that .....evil to make a horse push a cart but just that? Is the archon a byproduct of negation of the original intention and so is "ours" and that includes that we are "In Gaia" so the intention possibilities of trial and error may be also her's as well. the story was of "unintended consequences" of an Aeon who did not include her polarity male partner and impetuously plunged to the dense spiral arm of the galaxy where earth appeared....

The lovely aspect of mind IMO is that we create metaphor and the story. JLL interprets his understanding of metaphor. And we make meaning and we we are all involved in experimental/experiential life evolving IMO.

[Maia Gabrial]

Sorry, this Kalika Warparty sounds like it's inciting people to do these things. Decentralized meaning no one's in charge. So, no one can be blamed except the one committing the crimes....

I'm going to pass on this one....

[donk]

Thinking fractally…any negative thought is an “archon”, in the sense that JL describes them. An unintended byproduct that real humans (like me!!) feel the need to “clean up”. Just that dynamic perpetuates a sort of loop, perhaps an endless cycle? So it seems.

So we each do our part to make our own little piece of it as much in the vision of what we want, as whatever it is that we actually are find the capacity to actually do.

In the context of this discussion, JL exists in a reality where some free will beings have figured it out and hidden it from most of us, so that they can experience the bending of others’ wills.

The more I think about this whole perception, the more “fence sitter” nags at my ego. There’s a compulsion, I like to feel is not my own, to choose a side, to find what’s right.

I think what I’m finding is understanding the nature of the fence is more important. That perhaps dismantling it in a way least destructive to the most of our kind is a path I’d like to take. I feel this a closer metaphor than what I was working on…which was to be the molecules of the Clorox transmuting those around me to be less toxic and more focused on only the true root pathogens within the semi-closed realm of the experiment.

I was definitely taking JL into the metaphor that he is doing that--trying to change a portion of the “un-natural” gaian antibodies into a weapon aimed his targets in a mission to cleanse the table…so I understand the revulsion to the concept…taken to the extreme and misguide even by the slightest degree and it looks like genocide.

But if I understand correctly, this is HIS second experiment. He has something going that I didn’t really buy into…I could never really stay with it enough to understand. I guess he abandoned that? Understanding what he learned from that may shed light and context on his direction.

I guess the most important idea I feel necessary to emphasize is that it is easy to see his perspective as militant and ignorant, but my understanding of his journey feels that is a disservice, and I am trying to give the benefit of doubt—see it from a slightly different angle…much like I feel arucaria does in the beginning of his lovely post

[donk]

Don't mean to hog the thread with my bloviating...just trying to hash out some ideas the discussion triggers in me....it's really neat how it was sort of a platform that emerged for thoughts I was already having--like a real life example of "truth emerging". Of course...any time I start thinking I'm learnin some truth, I get all Admiral Ackbary:

http://becomingadorrable.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/its-a-trap-what-happens-when-advertisers-dont-meet-twitters-spending-quotas.jpg

so i'll shut up here for a bit and reflect....

[Delight]

I appreciate all the discussion. I received a sweet poem in an email. I know Gaia/Sophia is a great being. But each of us I do believe are great beings and we are here together for an amazing adventure. Thanks for the sharing here.....


We Begin Again

At night we came
eyes alight with the memory
of the Origin,
holding lanterns
that only we could see.
trails of stardust
releasing from our field
as we came upon the earth.

“what is it, little planet?
what wants have you?
why is it
you have called us here?”

and the earth answered,

“I have made you a Home.
here you are welcomed,
here you are free.
this is the place
you have longed for.”

so we encased ourselves
molecule by molecule,
miracle by miracle,
magically and effortlessly,
into human flesh.

we breathed…and the planet took life.
we opened our eyes…and the sun rose in the sky.
we laughed…and the music came
bringing song to bird and bee
and wind and river
and fairy wings
and the whispered words
of the Beloved
on pillows in the dark.

we danced…and they came forth
birthed from the glory
in our fingertips
those who swim and those who fly,
those who reach roots deep into the earth
and give us breath,
those who hold the keys of magic
that only the little ones see,
those who pad about on furred feet
in the stillness of the forest–

and we saw that it was good.

with one more bit
of monumental magic
(and a tiny trick of the light)
we stirred the stardust
into many forms,

that grew and gathered
and danced and played
and created and conquered
and loved and built
and wandered and dreamed
and laughed and cooked
and lived and died
all of them
calling…calling…calling…

“where are you?”

and the noise was great,
the chaos immense,
the earth rolled and stirred
and groaned and stretched
and then

a great hush.

everything stopped.

in that stillness
You gave the signal.

and the stardust flowed
from our fingers again
like a great river

all was new.

tomorrow
we begin again.

and all they will remember

is the magic. Kathleen Neff (http://youngsight.com/project/we-begin-again/)

[3(C)+me]

I remember hearing JL on some radio program maybe 3 years ago, he was talking about sexuality and how one can use it for raising one's consciousness. But then he said something that kind of struck me as odd. He said he watches pornography often and he thinks this is useful in ones spiritual practice. I'm like WTF? My view was that this kind of thing was pretty soulless. But lash has always had sex on the mind I am wondering if this has anything to do with this said party he is wanting to get going. Someone should start a thread about sex, addiction and sexuality that would be a good place to start a much needed discussion.

[SilentFeathers]

I remember hearing JL on some radio program maybe 3 years ago, he was talking about sexuality and how one can use it for raising one's consciousness. But then he said something that kind of struck me as odd. He said he watches pornography often and he thinks this is useful in ones spiritual practice. I'm like WTF? My view was that this kind of thing was pretty soulless. But lash has always had sex on the mind I am wondering if this has anything to do with this said party he is wanting to get going. Someone should start a thread about sex, addiction and sexuality that would be a good place to start a much needed discussion.

Yeah, I can see a group of people who never seen much more than a nine to five job and a few walmarts becoming "warriors', watching a bunch of porno and doing a few magic spells....and then arming up with a shotgun and pistol or two to go fight the enemy who has the highest tech weapons known to man expecting to change the world! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sean]

I remember hearing JL on some radio program maybe 3 years ago, he was talking about sexuality and how one can use it for raising one's consciousness. But then he said something that kind of struck me as odd. He said he watches pornography often and he thinks this is useful in ones spiritual practice. I'm like WTF? My view was that this kind of thing was pretty soulless. But lash has always had sex on the mind I am wondering if this has anything to do with this said party he is wanting to get going. Someone should start a thread about sex, addiction and sexuality that would be a good place to start a much needed discussion.

That IS weird..sigh. This guy's a lunatic, isn't he?

[3(C)+me]

Very funny silentfeathers. I can just hear them now "Yeah, now I can have all the sex I want with strangers and it's for a good cause"..and "I am rais:dance:ing my vibration plus I am getting rid of the enemy, who's next". (thanks for the laugh).

[RUSirius]

I guess it will double as intense warrior/nudist colony, these guys don't laugh much, they are very serious. But seriously, what is important, IMHO, is Gaia/Sophia, I cant personally prove its truth on paper, but there are connections I recognize in the story which I can apply to my own thoughts and experiences years before I every came across Her story. Whatever conclusions he starts to draw after Her story are not the important part of the story, and are his own "projects", the after story is not his strength its his own action plan after the story. I would be willing to bet JL has his own struggles like us all, and could be intense and complex. I also personally think that if he is able to build a warrior tribe, they probably shouldn't be the guys making the tough decisions, possibly need proper good human diplomacy first, if that doesn't work, bring on the sex crazed warrior people.

[Bingo]

The idea of holding on to John's rendition of Sophia's story and his info on the archons is enough for me now. He deserves a lot of credit for this important offering, and no one tells it better, imo. We're free to let go of the rest. His solution is off for several reasons, not the least of which is ineffectiveness. A waste of time better spent taking responsibility for our own behavior and stopping the dynamics we are contributing to.

[Hanson]

As long as there’s hierarchies (inequality), it’s fallacy to speak of “rights”. Those “above” on the pyramid have the MEANS to determine the “rights” of those “below”.
I tripped over this one. I see it in just the opposite way. As long as there are hierarchies (inequalities), it will be necessary to speak of rights. Those oppressed by the inequalities will be the ones to desire equal rights. If you can do away with the hierarchies and the inequalities, then there is no need for anyone to speak of rights.


Free will means whatever a conscious being chooses is "good".
Lost me here too. I thought free will is the freedom to choose. Although everyone appears to have the freedom to choose, not everyone chooses what others consider "good". I'm not even convinced that the person choosing always thinks his choice is "good" from his own perspective.

[donk]

j

As long as there’s hierarchies (inequality), it’s fallacy to speak of “rights”. Those “above” on the pyramid have the MEANS to determine the “rights” of those “below”.
I tripped over this one. I see it in just the opposite way. As long as there are hierarchies (inequalities), it will be necessary to speak of rights. Those oppressed by the inequalities will be the ones to desire equal rights. If you can do away with the hierarchies and the inequalities, then there is no need for anyone to speak of rights.


Free will means whatever a conscious being chooses is "good".
Lost me here too. I thought free will is the freedom to choose. Although everyone appears to have the freedom to choose, not everyone chooses what others consider "good". I'm not even convinced that the person choosing always thinks his choice is "good" from his own perspective.



Speak of rights all you want, but be honest about it.

If an other puts a gun to your head and pulls the trigger, what can you tell of me rights? Your right to bear arms? Your right to reside in that meat bag? The other rights you believe you're entitled to?

And If the choice being made at the point of decision materializes and that trigger is pulled, that choice was good to that other, at that moment...or it wouldn't have been made.

Your emotional attachment to any of these ideas doesn't make them less true. Telling ourselves lies about them does not serve us

PS: I'm doing my best to learn how to "rid the hierarchies" & inequalities

[RUSirius]

"taking responsibility for our own behavior and stopping the dynamics we are contributing to"

Bingo. This is all that matters. Well said.

[Sean]

Posting from my phone, so please forgive dropping a link without excerpts, but I think this accurately describes what humanity faces, and what KWP would be engaging.http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/04/10/kingpins-and-cutouts-aliens-and-hybrids/

[donk]

If the Aeon Sophia is the creator of human life in this neck of the galaxy, having come from our pure and benevolent to humanity (it is her creation after all) galactic core….can we suppose EVERY galaxy has a set of Aeons?

Can we can marry the Annunaki to the Sophianic myth by imaging that some other Aeon created a more-quickly evolving race outside of its Plemora…and the inhabitants of that galaxy achieved inter-galactic travel?

Seems to me that each galaxy would have an Aeonic myth, if there’s anything to ours…or this rock really is a super-special, one-in-infinite miracle. Isn’t it easier to imagine any archons or invaders were from some different galaxy/aeon?

I can picture a defeated Humphrey Bogart lamenting: Of all the plemoras, in all the galaxies, in all the universe, she walks into mine.

…and even IF our “enemies” are from some other galaxies (or anomalies of our creator), I still can’t imagine killing them is ever the answer,…at least not to me, at the moment. I just see this as valid a tacit as "shock & aweing" Baghdad to win the war on terror....

[Bingo]

I can picture a defeated Humphrey Bogart lamenting: Of all the plemoras, in all the galaxies, in all the universe, she walks into mine.

…and even IF our “enemies” are from some other galaxies (or anomalies of our creator), I still can’t imagine killing them is ever the answer,…at least not to me, at the moment. I just see this as valid a tacit as "shock & aweing" Baghdad to win the war on terror....[/QUOTE]


Here's looking at you, Donk.

[Hanson]

If an other puts a gun to your head and pulls the trigger, what can you tell of me rights? Your right to bear arms? Your right to reside in that meat bag? The other rights you believe you're entitled to?
How about the right to live? If you reverse the roles, wouldn't the unarmed man always believe in his own mind that he has the right to live?


And If the choice being made at the point of decision materializes and that trigger is pulled, that choice was good to that other, at that moment...or it wouldn't have been made.
And if you reverse the roles, the one being killed would not agree the choice was good.

Reversing the roles is really the key to understanding "rights". Confucius say, "What you do not want done to yourself, do not do to others." Isn't that where the concept of rights comes from?

[donk]

He can believe in it all he wants. You can believe it all you want.

In the reality I live in, your beliefs, no matter how strongly you feel entitled to them, wouldn't really matter. Im not trying to argue, it's just the best I can describe the reality I find myself in.

I wish I could consider my life to be something I'm entitled to...it just seems to me it's never really been a "right" (no matter how bad I wish it was)

I understand rights to be something we are entitled to. I believe free will makes very little in this universe fall in that category.

We confuse "rights" with "ideals"

[RUSirius]

If the Aeon Sophia is the creator of human life in this neck of the galaxy, having come from our pure and benevolent to humanity (it is her creation after all) galactic core….can we suppose EVERY galaxy has a set of Aeons?

Can we can marry the Annunaki to the Sophianic myth by imaging that some other Aeon created a more-quickly evolving race outside of its Plemora…and the inhabitants of that galaxy achieved inter-galactic travel?

Seems to me that each galaxy would have an Aeonic myth, if there’s anything to ours…or this rock really is a super-special, one-in-infinite miracle. Isn’t it easier to imagine any archons or invaders were from some different galaxy/aeon?

I can picture a defeated Humphrey Bogart lamenting: Of all the plemoras, in all the galaxies, in all the universe, she walks into mine.

…and even IF our “enemies” are from some other galaxies (or anomalies of our creator), I still can’t imagine killing them is ever the answer,…at least not to me, at the moment. I just see this as valid a tacit as "shock & aweing" Baghdad to win the war on terror....

Yes, I've been thinking about this also. Funny. I don't have any answers yet though.

[ulli]

If the Aeon Sophia is the creator of human life in this neck of the galaxy, having come from our pure and benevolent to humanity (it is her creation after all) galactic core….can we suppose EVERY galaxy has a set of Aeons?

Can we can marry the Annunaki to the Sophianic myth by imaging that some other Aeon created a more-quickly evolving race outside of its Plemora…and the inhabitants of that galaxy achieved inter-galactic travel?

Seems to me that each galaxy would have an Aeonic myth, if there’s anything to ours…or this rock really is a super-special, one-in-infinite miracle. Isn’t it easier to imagine any archons or invaders were from some different galaxy/aeon?

I can picture a defeated Humphrey Bogart lamenting: Of all the plemoras, in all the galaxies, in all the universe, she walks into mine.

…and even IF our “enemies” are from some other galaxies (or anomalies of our creator), I still can’t imagine killing them is ever the answer,…at least not to me, at the moment. I just see this as valid a tacit as "shock & aweing" Baghdad to win the war on terror....

Best post I have read in ages, Donk. You are really on to something here.
It is this type of thinking which makes us all so special,
and why the rest of the universe is curious about humanity.

There is nothing as fulfilling and encouraging as seeing signs of real growth in each others ideas.
Questioning the myths of the past, and toppling the statues of earlier myth makers when a new mythy idea strikes us,
that's what we here ought to be doing.
And after destroying their outdated myths, still have the generosity of heart to spare their lives.
You deserve a hug for that post, a "thank you" wasn't enough.

[Hanson]

In the reality I live in, your beliefs, no matter how strongly you feel entitled to them, wouldn't really matter.
This is quite fascinating. I assume, by reversing roles, you would also apply that directly to yourself, as in "In the reality I live in, my beliefs, no matter how strongly I feel entitled to them, don't really matter."


I understand rights to be something we are entitled to. I believe free will makes very little in this universe fall in that category.
But beliefs don't matter in your reality, right?



We confuse "rights" with "ideals"
Maybe rights are our highest ideals.

[donk]

Absolutely.

I'm jus saying we lie to ourselves that they are "rights".

Maybe it's just semantics? I'm fairly certain we share the same ideals, what we'd think would be nice if they were truly "rights".

I spend a lot of time examining how emotionally attached I am to those ideas. I actively work toward realizing (& helping others to realize) them...but they are not literally "rights" as free will gives others the ability to take them or impose on them.

[Hanson]

...but they are not literally "rights" as free will gives others the ability to take them or impose on them.
Is it correct to say free will "gives others the ability to take them or impose on them"? I would say free will plays only a minor role. More important players than free will are inequality, power, force, greed, lack of compassion, unkindness, lack of empathy, lack of shame, irresponsibility, guile, arrogance, and ego. I bet I left some out, too.

[donk]

The first sentence I agree with completely.

It's that second idea I (no longer, definitely used to) agree with. I don't think they are human, I think some other's free will was used to trick us into believing all that is human nature...that it comes from within who we really are. These days I'm really thinking that's the big lie.

And even if it wasn't forced in us somehow, it has now become the lie we base too many decisions...changing that is the change we need to be as humans

[Sean]

Absolutely.

I'm jus saying we lie to ourselves that they are "rights".

Maybe it's just semantics? I'm fairly certain we share the same ideals, what we'd think would be nice if they were truly "rights".

I spend a lot of time examining how emotionally attached I am to those ideas. I actively work toward realizing (& helping others to realize) them...but they are not literally "rights" as free will gives others the ability to take them or impose on them.


Well, I do believe human beings, incarnated souls, whatever, do have certain rights. I have a path to follow. I have a right to follow it to the best of my ability. No one has the right to impede my ability to do so, but since this is a free will universe, some have chosen to take the OPTION of imposing on my path, and the path of others. In response, we all have the right to fight back.

by any means necessary.

[Hanson]

I don't think they are human, I think some other's free will was used to trick us into believing all that is human nature...
That's a possibility. Another possibility is that there is great variability in humans, and some variations have such divergent qualities that most would say such people are not human. Serial killers come to mind. Many of our government leaders are serial killers of a different color, yet we rally behind them in our ignorance, erroneously thinking they are as human as we are.

[northstar]

I am VERY happy to see that John Lash's Kalika War Party is being discussed here. I am familiar with spiritual warriorship, both group and solo, as well as magical practices and shamanic journeying. I listened to Lash's interview on Red Ice Radio and one of the first things that came into my mind was: "I hope Avalonians have a go at this!". I have a huge respect and love for the dear souls at Project Avalon.

To "get" the essence of what Lash is suggesting, you can't come at it from a left brained, cerebral, ego-based perspective. There are many dear spiritual souls currently incarnated here on earth who will categorically reject what Lash is suggesting because their version of spiritual reality makes it impossible to comprehend astral warriorship. Those types of souls will not play a role in the current game. They will stand on the sidelines as the battle for terrestrial existence is being played out. It is as simple as that.

From a left brained, logical, ego-based perspective, I do have "issues" with Lash's plan, especially with his categorical rejection of GLBT people. I was disappointed that he felt the need to codify homophobia into his KWP. Sad.

BUT from a broad perspective, the shamanic warrior in me rejoices that someone actually had the guts to bring this plan out into the public. You see, I know for a fact that unseen forces are playing a profound role in the affairs of this living earth. Currently, those unseen forces are using black sorcery (lets just call it that for simplicity sake) to poison the water, the air, the soil, the food supply and every other possible aspect of reality that supports life. Anyone with a clue knows this. And yet who is doing anything about it?

Are the world's politicians doing anything to stop it? Nope, the world's politicians are giving us nothing but empty platitudes as they happily take campaign donations from the multinational corporations that are sytematically and deliberately wreaking havoc on earths ecosystem.

No living ecosystem = no life.

God bless John Lash for having the balls (yikes, am I allowed to say that on PA??) to come out publicly and do what he is doing. And God bless those precious souls who take up the standard and fight to keep this blessed mother, our living ecoystem, Mother Gaia - ALIVE.

Because if we permit her to be poisoned in the name of corporate profit, we all die.

[Selkie]

According to Robert Lifton, there are 8 psychological themes that identify cults and other totalistic systems:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Reform_and_the_Psychology_of_Totalism

If "'Kali Ma says, “Either you are party to my supernatural magic, or you are rubble.'" is not a match for number 8, Dispensing of Existence, then I don't know what is.

In other words, here is a man, John Lash, who on the one hand tells us to beware of the archons and others who use fear tactics, and yet on the other hand, there he is, trying to frighten people into joining his "party". Janus-faced, indeed.

[Selkie]

For me, the problem is not that Lash says to fight violence with violence. For me, the problem is that he dispenses with the existence of those who do not want to join his party, per Lifton's criteria of cults and other totalistic systems http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Reform_and_the_Psychology_of_Totalism Kind of like "making you an offer you can't refuse", a la Mafioso behavior. Because he is saying "join me or die", which I find unethical, astoundingly coercive and repulsive.

Not only that, but any claims that they have killed someone with magic have to be taken on faith! Say that some big-time marauder drops dead and Lash claims his magic is what did it? How could you prove it? Or if Lash tapes a video of the ritual and the target drops dead. Well, so what? No one can prove that the ritual killed the marauder. In other words, you would have to take it on faith that it was the ritual that caused the death. I forget which old-time patriarchal nut-job said (paraphrasing) "I believe it because it is absurd.", but that is what Lash wants you to do with his Kalika war party shamanic warriorship. He wants you to believe the absurd.

Btw, "Kali Ma says, 'Either you are party to my supernatural magic, or you are rubble.'” is also something that has to be taken on faith. Talk about "the tyranny of beliefs"!!! You have to believe that John Lash speaks for the Goddess. How many people have claimed to speak for a deity, and look where that has gotten us!

[Sean]

This is an email John lash sent out to his email list(which I'm on) a few weeks ago:

Warriors in the Line of Beauty,

The world cannot be the same after this day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTouhUSbCik

http://kalikawarparty.org/strike/

The challenge of the Kalika warriors, backed by lethal intention directed against psychopaths and the enemies of life, can change life on this planet in a way nothing else can. You don't have to believe it. Don't ask me to prove it. You have to prove it to yourself. That is the only way it becomes real and affects change across the world.

Does the Lethal Strike work? Practice it until it does. Like anything else you do, it works depending on the time and determination you put into it. Practice the technique of cording first, so that you are at ease with it. Then rig a cording for the Strike. As you do it, be mindful of how much rage is throbbing around the planet, how many others want to see the end of the enemies of life, and understand that you also draw upon that collective force of rage when you execute a Strike. You are not alone with this sacred anger. You hold it and aim it for those who cannot. You are the instrument of Kali's revenge: the beauty that kills.



Practice it and as you do so, imagine what happens to the world when it succeeds. Even just once. Starting today, the odds change. As more and more warriors do the strike, the odds of one warrior succeeding improve exponentially. Imagine what happens when just one individual succeeds, and the success comes to be known to the world at large. Imagine what happens then. There is your future.

The nagual provides the blueprint for the Party, advisement on tactics and strategies, and the methods of Kalika magic for love and war, sexual and martial. The counterstrike is an ongoing process... No one gets to be spoonfed with answers in this undertaking. You co-create the KWP through your own genius and courage, by collaboration. It thrives on your initiative, your personal power. Buddy up and go for it! AMOR FATI.

Always remember the premises of this adventure, the origin and purpose of the planetary warrior class:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ARqABVANzA

Coming next: The Kalika Tantra Vow: "In intend love, war, and magic..."


in the rush of the Dreaming Attention

at the tip of Kurukulla's arrow

zag


John Lashs apparently thinks he's Darth Sidious..

[Selkie]

I watched the video of the "lethal strike". What Lash is doing is playing on the "target's" superstitions and atavistic fears and the "warrior's" narcissistic desire for power, and he is prompting and encouraging you to become delusional.

"Magical warriors" are sitting on the sidelines just as much as anyone else. What Lash is doing is giving them the illusion that they are taking action, when in fact they are not. When people feel helpless and powerless, they always revert to magical thinking. Lash knows this full well, and is exploiting it for his own ends. You say that people don't have to believe it. But that is not true. Ask yourself: would you even be thinking of doing it if you didn't believe it will work? Why else are you doing it, on a lark? Do you summon up every once of rage and fury for a lark, or because you believe what you are doing will work?

What will happen is that as you go deeper and deeper into this magical thinking, you will start to get ideas of reference

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideas_of_reference_and_delusions_of_reference

Because ideas of reference are the way you will "prove" to yourself that this so-called "magic" from the so-called "nagual" is working. You will have only the delusion that the your (or anybody else's) strikes are working, because the strikes cannot be proven in actual fact.

But what happens when the targets keep laughing all the way to the bank, for years to come? If you rig a cording for a strike today, and the nail turns and the sinker drops tomorrow, but the target doesn't die for a year or two or 10 or 20, does that still count as success? How do you gauge your successes and your failures? How do you know when you have become proficient with the strike, with no way to actually know?

For me, if I were to do a strike, the target would have to die instantly, the very instant the sinker touches the ground. If not, it is not magic. If the sinker hits the ground and the target continues to live for even a day, then it is not magic that killed him, it is just dumb luck. I would still be glad that he is dead, but I would not attribute the death to the strike.

Lash says that his "magic" is actually Gaian physics. But that is just a belief, too. So whether you see it or not, the whole enterprise is predicated on belief. On nothing but belief.

And btw, I highly recommend that you read The Structure of Magic, by Bandler and Grinder. You don't even have to read the whole book. Just reading the Preface should be enough, if you are intelligent.

p.s. A gnostic is one who knows. As a gnostic, I would want to know that my strikes were working, not just believe it. Lash is encouraging his followers to become believers. Believers in him and his "magic".

[Selkie]

I think you are correct, Bill, that Lash is Archontically infected. I see the Thunderbird formation not as a development of the Shakti Cluster, but as a distortion of it. Lash's Thunderbird

http://kalikawarparty.org/assets/images/thunderbird-formation-with-bands-and-ranks.png

is clearly masculine in configuration: note the broad shoulders, narrow hips and short legs. I think the Archons got to him, maybe a long time ago.

It makes me more sad than I can tell you to see this about him. John once told me that if I thought he was becoming deranged, I should tell him. Well, I am telling him now: John, you are deranged, and you take other people with you into your derangement. I am telling him here because it was no long safe for me to be around him, and I had to leave.

And just to let everyone know, my birth certificate disappeared from either Ambergane or Witchaven, the two houses that I lived in, near John, while I was in Spain, along with my bank checks from the States and my passwords to various websites and internet shopping sites, like Amazon. If they wanted to, someone could do a lot of damage to me with those things. No "lethal strike" would be necessary. I put my entire trust in John Lash. I gave him my life savings because I loved him and trusted him. I also told him everything about myself: all the intimate details of my inner life and my sexuality, all my vulnerabilities, because I loved him and trusted him.

I also want you all to know that I am posting this with my heart pounding in my chest from fear, not from any "lethal strike" but because in his last email to me, dated January 20, 2014, John wrote, "You may not make it much longer. Turning against your love for me is tantamount to inviting death. Drive carefully." You want to know why he threatened me? Because I sent him an email telling him that I didn't like the way he plays with people's heart (and minds, I would add), and that I didn't like the way he exploits people's dreadful life circumstances. I mean, what kind of "man" would threaten me like that for telling him something like that in a totally private email that I shared with no one until this moment? The longer he goes on, the more he becomes like the self-righteous Zaddicks that he wants to bring down! What scares me is not his "lethal strike" but his self-righteousness. His self-righteousness is frightening in its virulence. How do you like the ugliness of that threat from the man who thinks he is the embodiment of love and beauty, and who claims to speak for Her, or as Her? The man who thinks he is Parsival, the Grail King? Why should he threaten me? Because you cannot separate the message from the man, that is why. The only reason he would try to silence me is because his pretensions to being Parsival and the nagual are not true. He needs you to believe in his pretensions. And he thought he had me so cowed and beaten down that he could say anything to me at all, treat me any way at all, and I would not fight back. But he is wrong. Talk about "Her Justice"? Her justice awaits him, because he thinks he can use Her power for his petty, selfish ends...for his own addiction to power.

And he threatened me on January 20th...long before I ever stumbled upon Project Avalon. Long before I thought about posting to any forum, anywhere. That is how afraid he was that I would expose that other side of his personality, which I never even thought about doing until he threatened me! But I am not the only woman who has seen his mask slip. There are others, and I hope that they find this thread and start to come forward here, on this forum.

p.s. Btw, I do not mean to imply that I disagree or disown everything that Lash has said in his talks or on Metahistory.org. He has contributed much that is absolutely invaluable. But the Kalika War Party and the Thunderbird formation, not to mention his catechism, are not among them, as far as I am concerned. I wish they were of value. I tried to make myself believe that they were. But they are not.

Sorry about this, but another post script: I think his idea of the tulpa of Sophia is nonsense, too.

addition: I wanted to tell John that he was becoming deranged to his face, while I was still in Spain, but it simply was not safe for me to do so. He turned my life into a living hell. He emotionally and psychologically tortured me. I was having constant panic attacks, which I told him about, and my hair was falling out. I could not tell anyone what he was doing to me because everyone who came to see him was one of his followers. The only people he allows to come to see him are his followers. He has no "social friends", as he calls them. The only people he allows near him are his followers. Either you are one of his minions, or you are "rubble", remember? And he feels free to emotionally and psychologically brutalize his followers, as well. I have seen him do it. He seduces/brutalizes. That is his M.O. I was emotionally, psychologically and physically isolated, and at his mercy. It was like being in a cult. He even forbade me the use of his car when he felt like it. First, he turned me into an emotional/psychological wreck, and then he forbade me to use his car. And he used the emotional/psychological state he induced in me to keep me even more isolated from people than I already was. And so I spun deeper and deeper down, inside myself. And then I started to fight. One night, I got drunk, in public, and made a scene and started to fight for my sanity. And it was the best thing I did for myself since meeting John Lash.

I am so sorry for dumping on you people, but I have kept all of this to myself for months and months and months, and I could not bear it any more. I am not doing this for John Lash. I am not doing this to get his attention. I do not care if he sees this or not. I am doing it because I simply cannot keep it inside any longer. He betrayed me. He seduced me into falling in love with him, and then he betrayed me. I care not one whit about his relationships with other women. What I care about is that I totally opened my psyche to him, and when I let him in, he ravaged me. Subtly, gradually, at first. And then more and more nakedly and brutally, but always with just enough tenderness to keep me hooked, because I wanted so badly to believe that he loved me. I wanted so badly to believe in his goodness. He was my teacher. He was my guide. He was my terton. He was my nagual. I loved him, in part, because he gave us of The Story of Sophia. And he used his position as my teacher and my guide, my terton and my nagual to enter my psyche and ravage the most tender, vulnerable places in my inner being. He said to me one time, "You are my whore " Watch Night of the Hunter, with Robert Mitchum and Shelley Winters. Watch how the "preacher" gains control over the character played by Shelly Winters. Watch how he traps her with her need to believe in his love and goodness. I was his "whore" because unbeknownst to myself, I was pimping the Story of Sophia for him to other people, like the Shelley Winters character pimps for her "preacher" husband.

[3(C)+me]

I think the days of putting one's trust into another person, no matter what they say, hopefully is going by the wayside. People need to trust in themselves. How can anyone truly know what is in the heart of another. Individuals who say they are doing something for the good of mankind using dark means while all the while not realizing they are being used as patsies they are the most dangerous. Never really could get a firm grip on what he was into because he would say one thing and then after that something else that was a total disconnect from his previous comments. Now I know why.

[Selkie]

But love is based on trust. If you do not trust someone, you cannot love them. I do not want to spend the rest of my life not-trusting and so being unable to love again. But now I have John Lash as my murky example of what love is not, and how a man behaves when he is not-loving a woman, but merely seducing her.

[3(C)+me]

But love is based on trust. If you do not trust someone, you cannot love them. I do not want to spend the rest of my life not-trusting and so being unable to love again. But now I have John Lash as my murky example of what love is not, and how a man behaves when he is not-loving a woman, but merely seducing her.

My friend I beg to differ but in a respectful way. Trust, in my opinion must be earned. And even then you really do not know what one does out of ones sight. I can only know my own motivations and intentions and sometimes that is not even clear to me. I can love someone but know they are not trustworthy. I have a friend whom I love but who has some ongoing addictions that do influence her. I love this person but would never trust this person to be alone in my house. But this love does have it's limits and the question comes up for me is do I want to have a person who has some issues around honestly and integrity hanging around me and of course, the decision is usually no. But I do love this person and told this person, when you get yourself together and deal with your addictions then we can possibility renegotiate our friendship if that is what you want.

[Selkie]

Thank you for your reply, cccme. Perhaps I should be more specific: I was referring to romantic love. I could not have a sexual/romantic relationship with a man I do not trust. I could not let a man that I do not trust have access to my body. Trust is how I am able to give myself to a man totally, without shyness or restraint.

John Lash seduced me into trusting him with a pretended beauty...an illusion of beauty. And when I was completely and thoroughly hooked, he started to let his mask slip. But I was so in love that I could not believe what I was seeing. I did not want to believe what I was seeing, until I could not hide it from myself any longer.

There are some terms that perhaps you do not know, which you might find useful. Do a search on betrayal bonding, trauma-bonding, love-bombing and cognitive dissonance. That should get you started toward understanding what I am talking about.

[Delight]

I think the days of putting one's trust into another person, no matter what they say, hopefully is going by the wayside. People need to trust in themselves. How can anyone truly know what is in the heart of another. Individuals who say they are doing something for the good of mankind using dark means while all the while not realizing they are being used as patsies they are the most dangerous. Never really could get a firm grip on what he was into because he would say one thing and then after that something else that was a total disconnect from his previous comments. Now I know why.

I really do think this nails the issue of out of date reverence given to any source that is not THE Source. I am sure that we each may have direct conversation with the Source and again it is in the reply above that we may TRUST ourselves and that this is meant to be personal and unique.

Initially I was quite taken with JLL's words. His behavior even from a distance with emails was a red flag BECAUSE it soon was apparent that He implied his connection with Sophia/Gaia is special and that his "way" (as Silkie called it) a cathechism. The fact that he could become outraged in emails at alternative viewpoints was a tell.

There are stories of others who have run into JLL personally with sad outcomes.
I actually think the disappointment is evolutionary as it hands ones power back where it belongs to each of us.

However, for those with lack of SELF confidence and without direct experience to use as a gauge"

"Individuals who say they are doing something for the good of mankind using dark means while all the while not realizing they are being used as patsies they are the most dangerous."

Without a direct experience and depending only on concepts, dis-illusion with a GURU megalomaniac who is found to be insane COULD be used to doubt the Source exists.

When JLL is aligning with living backwards and giving the directive to act as manipulative sorcerers, he is a stupid small pitiable man IMO. What goes around comes around three times over. Pretending any one knows the big picture such as who should live and who should die is the Hubris of arrogant ignorance IMO.

Best wishes Silkie for your quick recovery of misplaced energy. Just say "KNOW" to belief in others power over your being (a riff on something about the US drug wars).

[3(C)+me]

Thank you for your reply, cccme. Perhaps I should be more specific: I was referring to romantic love. I could not have a sexual/romantic relationship with a man I do not trust. I could not let a man that I do not trust have access to my body. Trust is how I am able to give myself to a man totally, without shyness or restraint.

John Lash seduced me into trusting him with a pretended beauty...an illusion of beauty. And when I was completely and thoroughly hooked, he started to let his mask slip. But I was so in love that I could not believe what I was seeing. I did not want to believe what I was seeing, until I could not hide it from myself any longer.

There are some terms that perhaps you do not know, which you might find useful. Do a search on betrayal bonding, trauma-bonding, love-bombing and cognitive dissonance. That should get you started toward understanding what I am talking about.
Yes, I am aware of these things both in my past professional life and seeing this around me. The question is how long does a one watch a person for trustworthiness before they just make a leap of faith because sometimes it does come down to that. People marry all the time with this faith that things will work out and the other person will not become a drunk, or abusive, or a control freak. Every couple has a honeymoon period and then the question of sex comes that sometimes can influence people. I think that if this did happen to me would be thankful I got out in time and that it was a valuable learning experience. You now seem so much wiser and I hope the scars you have of this experience will not linger too long.

[Selkie]

Thanks, Delight...just say KNOW. I like that.

But as to the subject of the catechism, Lash has an actual catechism that he wants people to memorize. I did not mean that as a metaphor. It is somewhere on Gaiaspora, I think, possibly in Nousletter #1. He came up with it while I was still in Spain. I was horrified by it, and I told him that I thought that a catechism is ridiculous. Nor is it the same as the Gnostic Catechism that is on Metahistory.org. The catechism I am referring to is a way to trap people into agreeing that everyone...EVERYONE...has to agree with him on the subject of conscience, and protection.

http://gaiaspora.org/nousletter1/

Wherever it is, you have to find it yourself. I am not going back through that mass of verbiage for anything!

[Selkie]

The question is how long does a one watch a person for trustworthiness before they just make a leap of faith because sometimes it does come down to that. People marry all the time with this faith that things will work out and the other person will not become a drunk, or abusive, or a control freak.

Huh??? This is not some Joe Shmoe...some jerk in Smalltown, USA who does not know any better and can only harm his immediate family and friends. Lash is trying to get the world on board with him, and how he treated me...and it was much worse than I have let on...should serve as a grave warning to anyone thinking of trusting him with their spirituality and their life.

Minimize his behavior http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimisation_(psychology) if you want to, but I will have none of that, and neither should anyone else because of what Lash claims to be and what he claims he can do.

Btw, I can see that you are trying to help, and I do thank you for that, and for the well-wishes :)

[Selkie]

...he would say one thing and then after that something else that was a total disconnect from his previous comments. Now I know why.

I have been looking for this quote all morning! Thank you so much for pointing this out about Lash!, because that is exactly how he was in my relationship with him. He would say one thing, like "...don't worry, there are lots of place to rent in the campo." and then a few sentences later, turn around and say exactly the opposite, as in, "...well, its really hard to find places to live in the campo.". In other words, worry! It was absolutely crazy-making

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bind

and he did it all the time!

[Bill Ryan]

...he would say one thing and then after that something else that was a total disconnect from his previous comments. Now I know why.

I have been looking for this quote all morning! Thank you so much for pointing this out about Lash!, because that is exactly how he was in my relationship with him. He would say one thing, like "...don't worry, there are lots of place to rent in the campo." and then a few sentences later, turn around and say exactly the opposite, as in, "...well, its really hard to find places to live in the campo.". In other words, worry! It was absolutely crazy-making

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bind

and he did it all the time!

It's a fast-track to neurosis (really). If you do that with a child (or a dog!) — i.e. reward, praise or punish inconsistently — the other's confidence and certainty (and stable behavior!) is gradually eroded right away.

Because they can never be sure what's going to come next, and the ground under their feet starts to feel less and less solid. Some manipulative people do that to those close to them very knowingly and deliberately.

[Selkie]

...he would say one thing and then after that something else that was a total disconnect from his previous comments. Now I know why.

I have been looking for this quote all morning! Thank you so much for pointing this out about Lash!, because that is exactly how he was in my relationship with him. He would say one thing, like "...don't worry, there are lots of place to rent in the campo." and then a few sentences later, turn around and say exactly the opposite, as in, "...well, its really hard to find places to live in the campo.". In other words, worry! It was absolutely crazy-making

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bind

and he did it all the time!

It's a fast-track to neurosis (really). If you do that with a child (or a dog!) — i.e. reward, praise or punish inconsistently — the other's confidence and certainty (and stable behavior!) is gradually eroded right away.

Because they can never be sure what's going to come next, and the ground under their feet starts to feel less and less solid. Some manipulative people do that to those close to them very knowingly and deliberately.

And that is exactly what happened...it eroded my self confidence and certainty down to nothing. And then he would harp on me that "...the problem with you, "Silkie", is that you have no self-confidence." . And no one knew what he was doing to me. It was all in private, covert, out of sight of his other followers who visited. Sometimes, though, he would stab me in the heart with a cruel, humiliating comment in public, like when he and I were in Ronda having lunch, and I would start to cry, in public. But because I didn't want to make a scene I learned to cry quietly, with just tears and no sound. And I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he knew exactly what he was doing to me. I knew it from the look on his face, because he would get a look of detached amusement on his face; subtle, but definitely there. He would show me this look of amusement deliberately, knowing that there was no way for me to call him on it. Knowing that my love, and my need to believe in him and his goodness would protect him. And knowing that even if I did call him on it, he would never admit it.

[Selkie]

...he would say one thing and then after that something else that was a total disconnect from his previous comments. Now I know why.

I have been looking for this quote all morning! Thank you so much for pointing this out about Lash!, because that is exactly how he was in my relationship with him. He would say one thing, like "...don't worry, there are lots of place to rent in the campo." and then a few sentences later, turn around and say exactly the opposite, as in, "...well, its really hard to find places to live in the campo.". In other words, worry! It was absolutely crazy-making

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bind

and he did it all the time!

It's a fast-track to neurosis (really). If you do that with a child (or a dog!) — i.e. reward, praise or punish inconsistently — the other's confidence and certainty (and stable behavior!) is gradually eroded right away.

Because they can never be sure what's going to come next, and the ground under their feet starts to feel less and less solid. Some manipulative people do that to those close to them very knowingly and deliberately.

This is what crazy-made looks like. Scroll down to just below the video for the poster's explanation of what is going on:

https://narcraiders.wordpress.com/2013/07/28/what-crazymade-looks-like-2/

A warning: this video might be a trigger for some people. The agony in the woman's voice is very hard to listen to.

[AriG]

Hello Silkie! and thank you for your posts. This is most interesting, yet disturbing.

If you will humor me by answering a question? Perhaps I missed this in the thread, but what drew you to this man and to this group, and were there any red flags as the relationship evolved?

[Selkie]

Hello Silkie! and thank you for your posts. This is most interesting, yet disturbing.

If you will humor me by answering a question? Perhaps I missed this in the thread, but what drew you to this man and to this group, and were there any red flags as the relationship evolved?

No offense meant, AriG, but I politely decline to humor you.

[AriG]

Hello Silkie! and thank you for your posts. This is most interesting, yet disturbing.

If you will humor me by answering a question? Perhaps I missed this in the thread, but what drew you to this man and to this group, and were there any red flags as the relationship evolved?

No offense meant, AriG, but I politely decline to humor you.

Then I politely advise you that I will not entertain what you have to say as legitimate, as it appears that you are seeking sympathy and support, yet refusing to share the backstory (when, where and why.. only who). As dangerous and cult like as this individual appears to be (and personally I think he is an Agency trap), your posts are "streams of consciousness" and do not clearly identify your intent on illuminating and exposing this person, nor do they provide any legitimacy to the claim that he abused you. You had a choice. You always have a choice. Unfortunately, if psychopaths like this guy do rise to real power, they'll make the Controllers look like Girl Scouts. As for your current situation, it might help if you stopped focusing on what has gone wrong in life and start rebuilding a positive reality. That bitterness will only consume you. The psychopath doesn't care. He is immune. Snowstorms and pot stirring.... seem to go hand in hand... ;) Nothing to see here folks... move along... in other words..... nothing to flush out here. Nice try.

[Selkie]

Hello Silkie! and thank you for your posts. This is most interesting, yet disturbing.

If you will humor me by answering a question? Perhaps I missed this in the thread, but what drew you to this man and to this group, and were there any red flags as the relationship evolved?

No offense meant, AriG, but I politely decline to humor you.


Then I politely advise you that I will not entertain what you have to say as legitimate, as it appears that you are seeking sympathy and support, yet refusing to share the backstory (when, where and why.. only who). As dangerous and cult like as this individual appears to be (and personally I think he is an Agency trap), your posts are "streams of consciousness" and do not clearly identify your intent on illuminating and exposing this person, nor do they provide any legitimacy to the claim that he abused you. You had a choice. You always have a choice. Unfortunately, if psychopaths like this guy do rise to real power, they'll make the Controllers look like Girl Scouts. As for your current situation, it might help if you stopped focusing on what has gone wrong in life and start rebuilding a positive reality. That bitterness will only consume you. The psychopath doesn't care. He is immune. Snowstorms and pot stirring.... seem to go hand in hand... ;) Nothing to see here folks... move along... in other words..... nothing to flush out here. Nice try.

When someone asks you to humor them, what they are doing is making is a covert demand.

***********************
hu·mor


/ˈ(h)yo͞omər/


verb

gerund or present participle: humoring




comply with the wishes of (someone) in order to keep them content, however unreasonable such wishes might be.
"she was always humoring him to prevent trouble"


synonyms: indulge, accommodate, pander to, cater to, yield to, give way to, give in to, go along with;

***************************

Seeking sympathy and support? I am doing nothing of the kind. If I were, I would, indeed, tell you the back-story, which I am not going to do.

[Delight]

...he would say one thing and then after that something else that was a total disconnect from his previous comments. Now I know why.

I have been looking for this quote all morning! Thank you so much for pointing this out about Lash!, because that is exactly how he was in my relationship with him. He would say one thing, like "...don't worry, there are lots of place to rent in the campo." and then a few sentences later, turn around and say exactly the opposite, as in, "...well, its really hard to find places to live in the campo.". In other words, worry! It was absolutely crazy-making

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bind

and he did it all the time!

It's a fast-track to neurosis (really). If you do that with a child (or a dog!) — i.e. reward, praise or punish inconsistently — the other's confidence and certainty (and stable behavior!) is gradually eroded right away.

Because they can never be sure what's going to come next, and the ground under their feet starts to feel less and less solid. Some manipulative people do that to those close to them very knowingly and deliberately.

This is what crazy-made looks like. Scroll down to just below the video for the poster's explanation of what is going on:

https://narcraiders.wordpress.com/2013/07/28/what-crazymade-looks-like-2/

A warning: this video might be a trigger for some people. The agony in the woman's voice is very hard to listen to.

The Kalika war party is supposed to support the emergence of Gaia/Sophia's dream? It is a response to the dis-respect of divine Feminine??? It wants to protect and honor by killing?

It may be run by a misogynist??
Actually it reminds me of all the claims that evil makes for its self preservation... kind of like when the "witches" were killed for their own good.

I know that in the case of Silkie's intimate relationship with this particular "political leader", there is no point in taking sides AGAINST JLL. This is just not going to be proactive IMO. Taking sides in judgement for "wrongs" is just what keeps the spin going IMO.

But I have had crazy making relationships and KNOW that the "reasonable" one who is triggering others to blow up is OFTEN doing this with deep deliberation. I have seen it plenty of times in psychiatric hospitals as a nurse. I have had a BF like that kind of instigator. My mother did that AND father. This is common and multi-generational crazy making IMO of the NARCISSIST CULTURE.

It creates more of itself by replication.

Maybe we can extrapolate to a larger way of seeing how abuse plays out to be more subtle than we "see"??? and that no WAR party can right the boat???
This means to me we just have to take proactive strategies on to be strong FEELING valued humans, whole (balanced male female) and aware AND stop being food for the ones who abuse.

Here is the underpinning of ignorance and denial of feeling and allowing this abuse to be normal in the video....


Even though it was triggering, thank you for posting this valuable and vivid example of abuse. THIS IS what abuse looks like and it’s exactly why people can’t recognize it. The victim, in an attempt to self-protect, lashes out and ends up looking like the guilty party. But anyone with a heart can see she’s grieving and despairing. She had her heart set on something, it was taken away and she can’t even get any compassion from the man who is her husband. Her feelings are dismissed. When your feelings are dismissed your humanity is dismissed and negated.

Her melt down is obviously not the result of this one incident. This is the straw that broke the camel’s back, so to speak.

I hope she, and everyone else who has ever experienced this, sees this video and recognizes covert abuse. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

The way IMO to use this subtle tragedy of destruction IMO is to begin to understand subtle not so subtle ways YEARS and YEARS (lifetimes handed down??) covert mental and emotional abuse plays us. Leaders who are Narcissists take us into trouble, play us against our own interests. They look GLAMOROUS, BIGGER THAN LIFE. Beings who claim "I am special so LISTEN to me" often have us READY to LISTEN.

"If you treat someone like a celebrity, don't be surprised when you are treated just a fan"

This is a good chart IMO on male/female polarity attributes in and out of balance....
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/576336_338671529573697_298620539_n.jpg?oh=640c1a5455a13dd914c2e2c54ee17f93&oe=5586CAF0&__gda__=1431060814_d0288152d6fbff2b463fc8a48d162432

[AriG]

Hello Silkie! and thank you for your posts. This is most interesting, yet disturbing.

If you will humor me by answering a question? Perhaps I missed this in the thread, but what drew you to this man and to this group, and were there any red flags as the relationship evolved?

No offense meant, AriG, but I politely decline to humor you.


Then I politely advise you that I will not entertain what you have to say as legitimate, as it appears that you are seeking sympathy and support, yet refusing to share the backstory (when, where and why.. only who). As dangerous and cult like as this individual appears to be (and personally I think he is an Agency trap), your posts are "streams of consciousness" and do not clearly identify your intent on illuminating and exposing this person, nor do they provide any legitimacy to the claim that he abused you. You had a choice. You always have a choice. Unfortunately, if psychopaths like this guy do rise to real power, they'll make the Controllers look like Girl Scouts. As for your current situation, it might help if you stopped focusing on what has gone wrong in life and start rebuilding a positive reality. That bitterness will only consume you. The psychopath doesn't care. He is immune. Snowstorms and pot stirring.... seem to go hand in hand... ;) Nothing to see here folks... move along... in other words..... nothing to flush out here. Nice try.

When someone asks you to humor them, what they are doing is making is a covert demand.

***********************
hu·mor


/ˈ(h)yo͞omər/


verb

gerund or present participle: humoring




comply with the wishes of (someone) in order to keep them content, however unreasonable such wishes might be.
"she was always humoring him to prevent trouble"


synonyms: indulge, accommodate, pander to, cater to, yield to, give way to, give in to, go along with;

***************************

Seeking sympathy and support? I am doing nothing of the kind. If I were, I would, indeed, tell you the back-story, which I am not going to do.

Fair enough on "humor". My intent was not to publicly question you without knowing more. But now that its out there- What are you trying to accomplish if you are not seeking support (as many of your posts suggest). What's your motive in posting this information here?

[Selkie]

...he would say one thing and then after that something else that was a total disconnect from his previous comments. Now I know why.

I have been looking for this quote all morning! Thank you so much for pointing this out about Lash!, because that is exactly how he was in my relationship with him. He would say one thing, like "...don't worry, there are lots of place to rent in the campo." and then a few sentences later, turn around and say exactly the opposite, as in, "...well, its really hard to find places to live in the campo.". In other words, worry! It was absolutely crazy-making

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bind

and he did it all the time!

It's a fast-track to neurosis (really). If you do that with a child (or a dog!) — i.e. reward, praise or punish inconsistently — the other's confidence and certainty (and stable behavior!) is gradually eroded right away.

Because they can never be sure what's going to come next, and the ground under their feet starts to feel less and less solid. Some manipulative people do that to those close to them very knowingly and deliberately.

This is what crazy-made looks like. Scroll down to just below the video for the poster's explanation of what is going on:

https://narcraiders.wordpress.com/2013/07/28/what-crazymade-looks-like-2/

A warning: this video might be a trigger for some people. The agony in the woman's voice is very hard to listen to.

The Kalika war party is supposed to support the emergence of Gaia/Sophia's dream? It is a response to the dis-respect of divine Feminine??? It wants to protect and honor by killing?

It may be run by a misogynist??
Actually it reminds me of all the claims that evil makes for its self preservation... kind of like when the "witches" were killed for their own good.

I know that in the case of Silkie's intimate relationship with this particular "political leader", there is no point in taking sides AGAINST JLL. This is just not going to be proactive IMO. Taking sides in judgement for "wrongs" is just what keeps the spin going IMO.

But I have had crazy making relationships and KNOW that the "reasonable" one who is triggering others to blow up is OFTEN doing this with deep deliberation. I have seen it plenty of times in psychiatric hospitals as a nurse. I have had a BF like that kind of instigator. My mother did that AND father. This is common and multi-generational crazy making IMO of the NARCISSIST CULTURE.

It creates more of itself by replication.

Maybe we can extrapolate to a larger way of seeing how abuse plays out to be more subtle than we "see"??? and that no WAR party can right the boat???
This means to me we just have to take proactive strategies on to be strong FEELING valued humans, whole (balanced male female) and aware AND stop being food for the ones who abuse.

Here is the underpinning of ignorance and denial of feeling and allowing this abuse to be normal in the video....


Even though it was triggering, thank you for posting this valuable and vivid example of abuse. THIS IS what abuse looks like and it’s exactly why people can’t recognize it. The victim, in an attempt to self-protect, lashes out and ends up looking like the guilty party. But anyone with a heart can see she’s grieving and despairing. She had her heart set on something, it was taken away and she can’t even get any compassion from the man who is her husband. Her feelings are dismissed. When your feelings are dismissed your humanity is dismissed and negated.

Her melt down is obviously not the result of this one incident. This is the straw that broke the camel’s back, so to speak.

I hope she, and everyone else who has ever experienced this, sees this video and recognizes covert abuse. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

The way IMO to use this subtle tragedy of destruction IMO is to begin to understand subtle not so subtle ways YEARS and YEARS (lifetimes handed down??) covert mental and emotional abuse plays us. Leaders who are Narcissists take us into trouble, play us against our own interests. They look GLAMOROUS, BIGGER THAN LIFE. Beings who claim "I am special so LISTEN to me" often have us READY to LISTEN.

"If you treat someone like a celebrity, don't be surprised when you are treated just a fan"

This is a good chart IMO on male/female polarity attributes in and out of balance....
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/576336_338671529573697_298620539_n.jpg?oh=640c1a5455a13dd914c2e2c54ee17f93&oe=5586CAF0&__gda__=1431060814_d0288152d6fbff2b463fc8a48d162432

Thank you, Delight, for this post.

p.s. I have put my experiences out there. People are free to learn from them, or not.

[donk]

Hello Silkie! and thank you for your posts. This is most interesting, yet disturbing.

If you will humor me by answering a question? Perhaps I missed this in the thread, but what drew you to this man and to this group, and were there any red flags as the relationship evolved?

No offense meant, AriG, but I politely decline to humor you.

Then I politely advise you that I will not entertain what you have to say as legitimate, as it appears that you are seeking sympathy and support, yet refusing to share the backstory (when, where and why.. only who). As dangerous and cult like as this individual appears to be (and personally I think he is an Agency trap), your posts are "streams of consciousness" and do not clearly identify your intent on illuminating and exposing this person, nor do they provide any legitimacy to the claim that he abused you. You had a choice. You always have a choice. Unfortunately, if psychopaths like this guy do rise to real power, they'll make the Controllers look like Girl Scouts. As for your current situation, it might help if you stopped focusing on what has gone wrong in life and start rebuilding a positive reality. That bitterness will only consume you. The psychopath doesn't care. He is immune. Snowstorms and pot stirring.... seem to go hand in hand... ;) Nothing to see here folks... move along... in other words..... nothing to flush out here. Nice try.

Ya know, it's amazing to me how people around here disguise "blaming the victim" with some sort of issue with the individual's ability to take personal responsibility. Sad.

So is this some sort of fractal? Silkie accuses John, Ari accuses Silkie, I accuse Ari....anyone think I am doing this for attention?? Who's blaming Phil for distracting? Or "seeking support"?

I would personally like to thank Silkie for sharing what she claims to be her experience, here on this "truth"/conspiracy site, where I thought personal discernment was a given...and what set us apart was our respect to those sharing their truth.

PS--I wrote this before seeing your most recent post--which I cannot speak for Silkie, but from my perspective it was blatantly clear that she was sharing her experience as a warning

[Selkie]

Hello Silkie! and thank you for your posts. This is most interesting, yet disturbing.

If you will humor me by answering a question? Perhaps I missed this in the thread, but what drew you to this man and to this group, and were there any red flags as the relationship evolved?

No offense meant, AriG, but I politely decline to humor you.


Then I politely advise you that I will not entertain what you have to say as legitimate, as it appears that you are seeking sympathy and support, yet refusing to share the backstory (when, where and why.. only who). As dangerous and cult like as this individual appears to be (and personally I think he is an Agency trap), your posts are "streams of consciousness" and do not clearly identify your intent on illuminating and exposing this person, nor do they provide any legitimacy to the claim that he abused you. You had a choice. You always have a choice. Unfortunately, if psychopaths like this guy do rise to real power, they'll make the Controllers look like Girl Scouts. As for your current situation, it might help if you stopped focusing on what has gone wrong in life and start rebuilding a positive reality. That bitterness will only consume you. The psychopath doesn't care. He is immune. Snowstorms and pot stirring.... seem to go hand in hand... ;) Nothing to see here folks... move along... in other words..... nothing to flush out here. Nice try.

When someone asks you to humor them, what they are doing is making is a covert demand.

***********************
hu·mor


/ˈ(h)yo͞omər/


verb

gerund or present participle: humoring




comply with the wishes of (someone) in order to keep them content, however unreasonable such wishes might be.
"she was always humoring him to prevent trouble"


synonyms: indulge, accommodate, pander to, cater to, yield to, give way to, give in to, go along with;

***************************

Seeking sympathy and support? I am doing nothing of the kind. If I were, I would, indeed, tell you the back-story, which I am not going to do.

Fair enough on "humor". My intent was not to publicly question you without knowing more. But now that its out there- What are you trying to accomplish if you are not seeking support (as many of your posts suggest). What's your motive in posting this information here?

I have set a boundary. And yet you keep pressing me to reveal more, not respecting a very clear boundary. Please stop.

[RunningDeer]

Ya know, it's amazing to me how people around here disguise "blaming the victim" with some sort of issue with the individual's ability to take personal responsibility. Sad.

So is this some sort of fractal? Silkie accuses John, Ari accuses Silkie, I accuse Ari....anyone think I am doing this for attention?? Who's blaming Phil for distracting? Or "seeking support"?

I would personally like to thank Silkie for sharing what she claims to be her experience, here on this "truth"/conspiracy site, where I thought personal discernment was a given...and what set us apart was our respect to those sharing their truth.

PS--I wrote this before seeing your most recent post--which I cannot speak for Silkie, but from my perspective it was blatantly clear that she was sharing her experience as a warning

Yes, and I’m also appreciative for the review information. Particularly Silkie’s double bind & neuro-linguistic programming. And a thanks to other members’ clarifications as well.

[Bill Ryan]

What's your motive in posting this information here?

To risk an interpretation here, I would say it's a warning: it's always extremely useful for us all to have the opportunity to learn from someone else's experience. And I have no doubt whatsoever that this is a genuine personal account (and at the moment, very cautiously understated, too).

It's important because in my personal view, John Lash is very dangerous, and I'm willing to state that publicly. I listened to the entire unpublished interview at the end of October, and I was left completely clear that this was an arrogant, hateful, manipulative man who spoke of 'love' intellectually but with totally no understanding of what the word really meant.

I told the other mods that I was absolutely not willing to publish the interview under Avalon's name. (As they then listened to it, one by one, they all fully and immediately agreed.) It would have set off a firestorm of criticism of the kind of hatred and prejudice that we would have been appearing to endorse.

[AriG]

Hello Silkie! and thank you for your posts. This is most interesting, yet disturbing.

If you will humor me by answering a question? Perhaps I missed this in the thread, but what drew you to this man and to this group, and were there any red flags as the relationship evolved?

No offense meant, AriG, but I politely decline to humor you.

Then I politely advise you that I will not entertain what you have to say as legitimate, as it appears that you are seeking sympathy and support, yet refusing to share the backstory (when, where and why.. only who). As dangerous and cult like as this individual appears to be (and personally I think he is an Agency trap), your posts are "streams of consciousness" and do not clearly identify your intent on illuminating and exposing this person, nor do they provide any legitimacy to the claim that he abused you. You had a choice. You always have a choice. Unfortunately, if psychopaths like this guy do rise to real power, they'll make the Controllers look like Girl Scouts. As for your current situation, it might help if you stopped focusing on what has gone wrong in life and start rebuilding a positive reality. That bitterness will only consume you. The psychopath doesn't care. He is immune. Snowstorms and pot stirring.... seem to go hand in hand... ;) Nothing to see here folks... move along... in other words..... nothing to flush out here. Nice try.

Ya know, it's amazing to me how people around here disguise "blaming the victim" with some sort of issue with the individual's ability to take personal responsibility. Sad.

So is this some sort of fractal? Silkie accuses John, Ari accuses Silkie, I accuse Ari....anyone think I am doing this for attention?? Who's blaming Phil for distracting? Or "seeking support"?

I would personally like to thank Silkie for sharing what she claims to be her experience, here on this "truth"/conspiracy site, where I thought personal discernment was a given...and what set us apart was our respect to those sharing their truth.

PS--I wrote this before seeing your most recent post--which I cannot speak for Silkie, but from my perspective it was blatantly clear that she was sharing her experience as a warning

Not blaming anyone. Just questioning. Truth seeking.

[AriG]

What's your motive in posting this information here?

To risk an interpretation here, I would say it's a warning: it's always extremely useful for us all to have the opportunity to learn from someone else's experience. And I have no doubt whatsoever that this is a genuine personal account (and at the moment, very cautiously understated, too).

It's important because in my personal view, John Lash is very dangerous, and I'm willing to state that publicly. I listened to the entire unpublished interview at the end of October, and I was left completely clear that this was an arrogant, hateful, manipulative man who spoke of 'love' intellectually but with totally no understanding of what the word really meant.

I told the other mods that I was absolutely not willing to publish the interview under Avalon's name. (As they then listened to it, one by one, they all fully and immediately agreed.) It would have set off a firestorm of criticism of the kind of hatred and prejudice that we would have been appearing to endorse.

Thank you Bill. :) Just the kind of reply I was after (from Silkie;)). She didn't make her intentions clear. Sounded like sabre rattling, etc., and to be honest, a little like an agency flush attempt in directing members here to a completely radical site. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that this man is an agency plant and the topic gets bantered about on alternative sites in an attempt to identify "threats. The site in question is so blatantly threatening, that it would seem it would be under constant surveillance. I do think it is odd that Silkie did not know of Avalon's existence until this month. If we google anything remotely related to the subject matter, Avalon frequently hits on page one. By no means am I attempting to vilify Silkie and her victimization. She is either warning us (cryptically) or just sounding off. I am sure she is not an operative. I do think, however, she would be much happier empowering herself and walking away from the victim's role. That never serves in the long run.

Regarding the interview - is it published? Where might we hear it? Thank you again!

[Selkie]

What's your motive in posting this information here?

To risk an interpretation here, I would say it's a warning: it's always extremely useful for us all to have the opportunity to learn from someone else's experience. And I have no doubt whatsoever that this is a genuine personal account (and at the moment, very cautiously understated, too).

It's important because in my personal view, John Lash is very dangerous, and I'm willing to state that publicly. I listened to the entire unpublished interview at the end of October, and I was left completely clear that this was an arrogant, hateful, manipulative man who spoke of 'love' intellectually but with totally no understanding of what the word really meant.

I told the other mods that I was absolutely not willing to publish the interview under Avalon's name. (As they then listened to it, one by one, they all fully and immediately agreed.) It would have set off a firestorm of criticism of the kind of hatred and prejudice that we would have been appearing to endorse.

Thank you Bill. :) Just the kind of reply I was after (from Silkie;)). She didn't make her intentions clear. Sounded like sabre rattling, etc., and to be honest, a little like an agency flush attempt in directing members here to a completely radical site. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that this man is an agency plant and the topic gets bantered about on alternative sites in an attempt to identify "threats. The site in question is so blatantly threatening, that it would seem it would be under constant surveillance. I do think it is odd that Silkie did not know of Avalon's existence until this month. If we google anything remotely related to the subject matter, Avalon frequently hits on page one. By no means am I attempting to vilify Silkie and her victimization. She is either warning us (cryptically) or just sounding off. I am sure she is not an operative. I do think, however, she would be much happier empowering herself and walking away from the victim's role. That never serves in the long run.

Regarding the interview - is it published? Where might we hear it? Thank you again!

Lash made a death threat against me. Whether magical or otherwise, I have no way of knowing. And whether I am afraid of it or not is beside the point.

A death threat shows malice and the intent to terrorize. What...should I have asked Lash what his intent was in threatening me with death, or was the intent prima facie to anyone but a dolt? And when I got back from Spain, in an email, he asked me how to spell my family** name, which was totally unnecessary, since he already knew how to spell it, and that, too is threatening because I have children, and old, helpless parents.

So question my motives and intentions if you like. Add winking smileys if you like. I don't care. But I am not going to give out any information gratuitously, just for the asking, just because someone feels like they are entitled to it.

p.s. I could have asked you, "Why do you want to know?", but I didn't because it is none of my business.

an addition: you could have explained your reasons for wanting to know, too, instead of "asking" me to "humor" you.

**My family of origin, I mean.

[AriG]

What's your motive in posting this information here?

To risk an interpretation here, I would say it's a warning: it's always extremely useful for us all to have the opportunity to learn from someone else's experience. And I have no doubt whatsoever that this is a genuine personal account (and at the moment, very cautiously understated, too).

It's important because in my personal view, John Lash is very dangerous, and I'm willing to state that publicly. I listened to the entire unpublished interview at the end of October, and I was left completely clear that this was an arrogant, hateful, manipulative man who spoke of 'love' intellectually but with totally no understanding of what the word really meant.

I told the other mods that I was absolutely not willing to publish the interview under Avalon's name. (As they then listened to it, one by one, they all fully and immediately agreed.) It would have set off a firestorm of criticism of the kind of hatred and prejudice that we would have been appearing to endorse.

Thank you Bill. :) Just the kind of reply I was after (from Silkie;)). She didn't make her intentions clear. Sounded like sabre rattling, etc., and to be honest, a little like an agency flush attempt in directing members here to a completely radical site. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that this man is an agency plant and the topic gets bantered about on alternative sites in an attempt to identify "threats. The site in question is so blatantly threatening, that it would seem it would be under constant surveillance. I do think it is odd that Silkie did not know of Avalon's existence until this month. If we google anything remotely related to the subject matter, Avalon frequently hits on page one. By no means am I attempting to vilify Silkie and her victimization. She is either warning us (cryptically) or just sounding off. I am sure she is not an operative. I do think, however, she would be much happier empowering herself and walking away from the victim's role. That never serves in the long run.

Regarding the interview - is it published? Where might we hear it? Thank you again!

Lash made a death threat against me. Whether magical or otherwise, I have no way of knowing. And whether I am afraid of it or not is beside the point.

A death threat shows malice and the intent to terrorize. What...should I have asked Lash what his intent was in threatening me with death, or was the intent prima facie to anyone but a dolt? And when I got back from Spain, in an email, he asked me how to spell my family** name, which was totally unnecessary, since he already knew how to spell it, and that, too is threatening because I have children, and old, helpless parents.

So question my motives and intentions if you like. Add winking smileys if you like. I don't care. But I am not going to give out any information gratuitously, just for the asking, just because someone feels like they are entitled to it.

p.s. I could have asked you, "Why do you want to know?", but I didn't because it is none of my business.

an addition: you could have explained your reasons for wanting to know, too, instead of "asking" me to "humor" you.

**My family of origin, I mean.

Fair enough. I chose the wrong verbiage. Mea culpa. It did sound like a veiled insult. That was not my intention.

You should file terroristic threatening charges against him. He is obviously an American (Brooklyn, perhaps?) Get a standing charge against him so when he re-enters the US, he gets nabbed. But I am guessing he is in Spain for his own protection. He's obviously not airing this information in Spanish, which incidentally, makes me even more suspicious of his origins given that this type of effort is technically entrapment here in the US. Is it at all possible that he is Psy-Ops? I am sitting here listening to his interview on Red Ice and he is advocating violence.

Why did I want to know? Because you pandered to my curiosity. You put it out there! In my opinion, you were airing your laundry without qualifying why you were doing it. It appeared (to me) that you had an agenda. This is a public forum. To be annoyed with an honest question is similar to Hollywood A listers complaining about the paparazzi. You're putting it out there for review, consumption, and yes, potentially critique and certainly questioning. Perhaps if you had clearly stated that you had a relationship with him and that you wanted to warn everyone here about his intentions, etc., then it wouldn't look as though something more subversive was going on. The fact that you just joined and then started a thread about your ex, also looks like you are either working for him or against him. Again, just my initial first impression. Additionally, if your intention is a warning, knowing more could assist an individual in their own discernment of the information. Just saying that he is a bad guy and threatened you, etc., without being specific is here say. Gossip.

Having listened to this interview on Red Ice, I must say.... psychopath doesn't come close to defining his world view. I understand his anger, I really do. But what he is doing, is calling random listeners, many of whom may be unstable, to arms without taking any responsibility for his words upon their actions. He is inciting violence. He just recommended that people in the media be taken out. If this were 25 years ago, David Icke might be on that hit list. Which again, makes me wonder how it is possible that he is not being scrutinized by agencies. He is either one of them or really lucky.... so far. So very sad that he is blind to the possibility of redemption. Warrior Class. No thank you! I'd have to be completely devoid of my faculties to follow this guy. Thanks for the warning :) (and that is a sincere smiley!)

[Selkie]

What's your motive in posting this information here?

To risk an interpretation here, I would say it's a warning: it's always extremely useful for us all to have the opportunity to learn from someone else's experience. And I have no doubt whatsoever that this is a genuine personal account (and at the moment, very cautiously understated, too).

It's important because in my personal view, John Lash is very dangerous, and I'm willing to state that publicly. I listened to the entire unpublished interview at the end of October, and I was left completely clear that this was an arrogant, hateful, manipulative man who spoke of 'love' intellectually but with totally no understanding of what the word really meant.

I told the other mods that I was absolutely not willing to publish the interview under Avalon's name. (As they then listened to it, one by one, they all fully and immediately agreed.) It would have set off a firestorm of criticism of the kind of hatred and prejudice that we would have been appearing to endorse.

Thank you Bill. :) Just the kind of reply I was after (from Silkie;)). She didn't make her intentions clear. Sounded like sabre rattling, etc., and to be honest, a little like an agency flush attempt in directing members here to a completely radical site. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that this man is an agency plant and the topic gets bantered about on alternative sites in an attempt to identify "threats. The site in question is so blatantly threatening, that it would seem it would be under constant surveillance. I do think it is odd that Silkie did not know of Avalon's existence until this month. If we google anything remotely related to the subject matter, Avalon frequently hits on page one. By no means am I attempting to vilify Silkie and her victimization. She is either warning us (cryptically) or just sounding off. I am sure she is not an operative. I do think, however, she would be much happier empowering herself and walking away from the victim's role. That never serves in the long run.

Regarding the interview - is it published? Where might we hear it? Thank you again!

Lash made a death threat against me. Whether magical or otherwise, I have no way of knowing. And whether I am afraid of it or not is beside the point.

A death threat shows malice and the intent to terrorize. What...should I have asked Lash what his intent was in threatening me with death, or was the intent prima facie to anyone but a dolt? And when I got back from Spain, in an email, he asked me how to spell my family** name, which was totally unnecessary, since he already knew how to spell it, and that, too is threatening because I have children, and old, helpless parents.

So question my motives and intentions if you like. Add winking smileys if you like. I don't care. But I am not going to give out any information gratuitously, just for the asking, just because someone feels like they are entitled to it.

p.s. I could have asked you, "Why do you want to know?", but I didn't because it is none of my business.

an addition: you could have explained your reasons for wanting to know, too, instead of "asking" me to "humor" you.

**My family of origin, I mean.

Fair enough. I chose the wrong verbiage. Mea culpa. It did sound like a veiled insult. That was not my intention.

You should file terroristic threatening charges against him. He is obviously an American (Brooklyn, perhaps?) Get a standing charge against him so when he re-enters the US, he gets nabbed. But I am guessing he is in Spain for his own protection. He's obviously not airing this information in Spanish, which incidentally, makes me even more suspicious of his origins given that this type of effort is technically entrapment here in the US. Is it at all possible that he is Psy-Ops? I am sitting here listening to his interview on Red Ice and he is advocating violence.

Why did I want to know? Because you pandered to my curiosity. You put it out there! In my opinion, you were airing your laundry without qualifying why you were doing it. It appeared (to me) that you had an agenda. This is a public forum. To be annoyed with an honest question is similar to Hollywood A listers complaining about the paparazzi. You're putting it out there for review, consumption, and yes, potentially critique and certainly questioning. Perhaps if you had clearly stated that you had a relationship with him and that you wanted to warn everyone here about his intentions, etc., then it wouldn't look as though something more subversive was going on. The fact that you just joined and then started a thread about your ex, also looks like you are either working for him or against him. Again, just my initial first impression. Additionally, if your intention is a warning, knowing more could assist an individual in their own discernment of the information. Just saying that he is a bad guy and threatened you, etc., without being specific is here say. Gossip.

Having listened to this interview on Red Ice, I must say.... psychopath doesn't come close to defining his world view. I understand his anger, I really do. But what he is doing, is calling random listeners, many of whom may be unstable, to arms without taking any responsibility for his words upon their actions. He is inciting violence. He just recommended that people in the media be taken out. If this were 25 years ago, David Icke might be on that hit list. Which again, makes me wonder how it is possible that he is not being scrutinized by agencies. He is either one of them or really lucky.... so far. So very sad that he is blind to the possibility of redemption. Warrior Class. No thank you! I'd have to be completely devoid of my faculties to follow this guy. Thanks for the warning :) (and that is a sincere smiley!)

I pandered to no one. It is merely your opinion that I pandered. It is not a fact. Nor did I put anything out there to air any dirty laundry, a fact which everyone else but you seems to have no trouble discerning.

And I don't know how much more specific I could have been. What is it about "death threat" that you do not understand? I gave everyone the exact wording of his email. If that is not specific enough for you, then nothing will be.

Nor was he my boyfriend. We were not a couple in the bourgeois sense of the word, and so he cannot be my "ex", as you so dismissively put it. He was my nagual. Castaneda's claim that naguals are celibate is nonsense. And Lash claims to be THE nagual. Perhaps you are ignorant of what it means when someone is a nagual to someone else...and when they claim to be THE nagual...but others are not.

p.s. You do not seem to understand the terms you use, and you use loaded language when it is counter productive, which is very tiresome. I suggest that you cut back on the loaded language, then I will accept your smileys as sincere. Until then I intend to ignore your posts, no matter what you write.

[AriG]

What's your motive in posting this information here?

To risk an interpretation here, I would say it's a warning: it's always extremely useful for us all to have the opportunity to learn from someone else's experience. And I have no doubt whatsoever that this is a genuine personal account (and at the moment, very cautiously understated, too).

It's important because in my personal view, John Lash is very dangerous, and I'm willing to state that publicly. I listened to the entire unpublished interview at the end of October, and I was left completely clear that this was an arrogant, hateful, manipulative man who spoke of 'love' intellectually but with totally no understanding of what the word really meant.

I told the other mods that I was absolutely not willing to publish the interview under Avalon's name. (As they then listened to it, one by one, they all fully and immediately agreed.) It would have set off a firestorm of criticism of the kind of hatred and prejudice that we would have been appearing to endorse.

Thank you Bill. :) Just the kind of reply I was after (from Silkie;)). She didn't make her intentions clear. Sounded like sabre rattling, etc., and to be honest, a little like an agency flush attempt in directing members here to a completely radical site. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that this man is an agency plant and the topic gets bantered about on alternative sites in an attempt to identify "threats. The site in question is so blatantly threatening, that it would seem it would be under constant surveillance. I do think it is odd that Silkie did not know of Avalon's existence until this month. If we google anything remotely related to the subject matter, Avalon frequently hits on page one. By no means am I attempting to vilify Silkie and her victimization. She is either warning us (cryptically) or just sounding off. I am sure she is not an operative. I do think, however, she would be much happier empowering herself and walking away from the victim's role. That never serves in the long run.

Regarding the interview - is it published? Where might we hear it? Thank you again!

Lash made a death threat against me. Whether magical or otherwise, I have no way of knowing. And whether I am afraid of it or not is beside the point.

A death threat shows malice and the intent to terrorize. What...should I have asked Lash what his intent was in threatening me with death, or was the intent prima facie to anyone but a dolt? And when I got back from Spain, in an email, he asked me how to spell my family** name, which was totally unnecessary, since he already knew how to spell it, and that, too is threatening because I have children, and old, helpless parents.

So question my motives and intentions if you like. Add winking smileys if you like. I don't care. But I am not going to give out any information gratuitously, just for the asking, just because someone feels like they are entitled to it.

p.s. I could have asked you, "Why do you want to know?", but I didn't because it is none of my business.

an addition: you could have explained your reasons for wanting to know, too, instead of "asking" me to "humor" you.

**My family of origin, I mean.

Fair enough. I chose the wrong verbiage. Mea culpa. It did sound like a veiled insult. That was not my intention.

You should file terroristic threatening charges against him. He is obviously an American (Brooklyn, perhaps?) Get a standing charge against him so when he re-enters the US, he gets nabbed. But I am guessing he is in Spain for his own protection. He's obviously not airing this information in Spanish, which incidentally, makes me even more suspicious of his origins given that this type of effort is technically entrapment here in the US. Is it at all possible that he is Psy-Ops? I am sitting here listening to his interview on Red Ice and he is advocating violence.

Why did I want to know? Because you pandered to my curiosity. You put it out there! In my opinion, you were airing your laundry without qualifying why you were doing it. It appeared (to me) that you had an agenda. This is a public forum. To be annoyed with an honest question is similar to Hollywood A listers complaining about the paparazzi. You're putting it out there for review, consumption, and yes, potentially critique and certainly questioning. Perhaps if you had clearly stated that you had a relationship with him and that you wanted to warn everyone here about his intentions, etc., then it wouldn't look as though something more subversive was going on. The fact that you just joined and then started a thread about your ex, also looks like you are either working for him or against him. Again, just my initial first impression. Additionally, if your intention is a warning, knowing more could assist an individual in their own discernment of the information. Just saying that he is a bad guy and threatened you, etc., without being specific is here say. Gossip.

Having listened to this interview on Red Ice, I must say.... psychopath doesn't come close to defining his world view. I understand his anger, I really do. But what he is doing, is calling random listeners, many of whom may be unstable, to arms without taking any responsibility for his words upon their actions. He is inciting violence. He just recommended that people in the media be taken out. If this were 25 years ago, David Icke might be on that hit list. Which again, makes me wonder how it is possible that he is not being scrutinized by agencies. He is either one of them or really lucky.... so far. So very sad that he is blind to the possibility of redemption. Warrior Class. No thank you! I'd have to be completely devoid of my faculties to follow this guy. Thanks for the warning :) (and that is a sincere smiley!)

I pandered to no one. It is merely your opinion that I pandered. It is not a fact. Nor did I put anything out there to air any dirty laundry, a fact which everyone else but you seems to have no trouble discerning.

And I don't know how much more specific I could have been. What is it about "death threat" that you do not understand? I gave everyone the exact wording of his email. If that is not specific enough for you, then nothing will be.

Nor was he my boyfriend. We were not a couple in the bourgeois sense of the word, and so he cannot be my "ex", as you so dismissively put it. He was my nagual. Castaneda's claim that naguals are celibate is nonsense. And Lash claims to be THE nagual. Perhaps you are ignorant of what it means when someone is a nagual to someone else...and when they claim to be THE nagual...but others are not.

p.s. You do not seem to understand the terms you use, and you use loaded language when it is counter productive, which is very tiresome. I suggest that you cut back on the loaded language, then I will accept your smileys as sincere. Until then I intend to ignore your posts, no matter what you write.

Wow. You really are an angry person aren't you. Must be the company you've kept. We ALL PANDER to each other's curiosity when we post here or anywhere else. That's the point of the thing.

Would it be bourgeois of me to suggest that the MOST common Nagual is a jackass? He he. Not kidding. Look it up.

Your poor children.

No worries. I won't post again to your thread.

[Selkie]

The emphasis on sexual stands out in a strange way. I get the feeling this war party of his is intended to become a multi generational life style.

I've been meaning to reply to this post for days. I'm sorry that it took me so long. But, yes, that is exactly what he intends. He wants it to be multi-generational. There is nothing really wrong with that on the surface, but yes, there is a sub-text, or sub-script, or sub-intention...for want of better terms right now...that you seem to have noticed that is very troubling, and which I thank you for mentioning. I am not trying to be mysterious, or cryptic. I am being self-protective.

[Selkie]

What's your motive in posting this information here?

To risk an interpretation here, I would say it's a warning: it's always extremely useful for us all to have the opportunity to learn from someone else's experience. And I have no doubt whatsoever that this is a genuine personal account (and at the moment, very cautiously understated, too).

It's important because in my personal view, John Lash is very dangerous, and I'm willing to state that publicly. I listened to the entire unpublished interview at the end of October, and I was left completely clear that this was an arrogant, hateful, manipulative man who spoke of 'love' intellectually but with totally no understanding of what the word really meant.

I told the other mods that I was absolutely not willing to publish the interview under Avalon's name. (As they then listened to it, one by one, they all fully and immediately agreed.) It would have set off a firestorm of criticism of the kind of hatred and prejudice that we would have been appearing to endorse.

Thank you Bill. :) Just the kind of reply I was after (from Silkie;)). She didn't make her intentions clear. Sounded like sabre rattling, etc., and to be honest, a little like an agency flush attempt in directing members here to a completely radical site. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that this man is an agency plant and the topic gets bantered about on alternative sites in an attempt to identify "threats. The site in question is so blatantly threatening, that it would seem it would be under constant surveillance. I do think it is odd that Silkie did not know of Avalon's existence until this month. If we google anything remotely related to the subject matter, Avalon frequently hits on page one. By no means am I attempting to vilify Silkie and her victimization. She is either warning us (cryptically) or just sounding off. I am sure she is not an operative. I do think, however, she would be much happier empowering herself and walking away from the victim's role. That never serves in the long run.

Regarding the interview - is it published? Where might we hear it? Thank you again!

Lash made a death threat against me. Whether magical or otherwise, I have no way of knowing. And whether I am afraid of it or not is beside the point.

A death threat shows malice and the intent to terrorize. What...should I have asked Lash what his intent was in threatening me with death, or was the intent prima facie to anyone but a dolt? And when I got back from Spain, in an email, he asked me how to spell my family** name, which was totally unnecessary, since he already knew how to spell it, and that, too is threatening because I have children, and old, helpless parents.

So question my motives and intentions if you like. Add winking smileys if you like. I don't care. But I am not going to give out any information gratuitously, just for the asking, just because someone feels like they are entitled to it.

p.s. I could have asked you, "Why do you want to know?", but I didn't because it is none of my business.

an addition: you could have explained your reasons for wanting to know, too, instead of "asking" me to "humor" you.

**My family of origin, I mean.

Fair enough. I chose the wrong verbiage. Mea culpa. It did sound like a veiled insult. That was not my intention.

You should file terroristic threatening charges against him. He is obviously an American (Brooklyn, perhaps?) Get a standing charge against him so when he re-enters the US, he gets nabbed. But I am guessing he is in Spain for his own protection. He's obviously not airing this information in Spanish, which incidentally, makes me even more suspicious of his origins given that this type of effort is technically entrapment here in the US. Is it at all possible that he is Psy-Ops? I am sitting here listening to his interview on Red Ice and he is advocating violence.

Why did I want to know? Because you pandered to my curiosity. You put it out there! In my opinion, you were airing your laundry without qualifying why you were doing it. It appeared (to me) that you had an agenda. This is a public forum. To be annoyed with an honest question is similar to Hollywood A listers complaining about the paparazzi. You're putting it out there for review, consumption, and yes, potentially critique and certainly questioning. Perhaps if you had clearly stated that you had a relationship with him and that you wanted to warn everyone here about his intentions, etc., then it wouldn't look as though something more subversive was going on. The fact that you just joined and then started a thread about your ex, also looks like you are either working for him or against him. Again, just my initial first impression. Additionally, if your intention is a warning, knowing more could assist an individual in their own discernment of the information. Just saying that he is a bad guy and threatened you, etc., without being specific is here say. Gossip.

Having listened to this interview on Red Ice, I must say.... psychopath doesn't come close to defining his world view. I understand his anger, I really do. But what he is doing, is calling random listeners, many of whom may be unstable, to arms without taking any responsibility for his words upon their actions. He is inciting violence. He just recommended that people in the media be taken out. If this were 25 years ago, David Icke might be on that hit list. Which again, makes me wonder how it is possible that he is not being scrutinized by agencies. He is either one of them or really lucky.... so far. So very sad that he is blind to the possibility of redemption. Warrior Class. No thank you! I'd have to be completely devoid of my faculties to follow this guy. Thanks for the warning :) (and that is a sincere smiley!)

I pandered to no one. It is merely your opinion that I pandered. It is not a fact. Nor did I put anything out there to air any dirty laundry, a fact which everyone else but you seems to have no trouble discerning.

And I don't know how much more specific I could have been. What is it about "death threat" that you do not understand? I gave everyone the exact wording of his email. If that is not specific enough for you, then nothing will be.

Nor was he my boyfriend. We were not a couple in the bourgeois sense of the word, and so he cannot be my "ex", as you so dismissively put it. He was my nagual. Castaneda's claim that naguals are celibate is nonsense. And Lash claims to be THE nagual. Perhaps you are ignorant of what it means when someone is a nagual to someone else...and when they claim to be THE nagual...but others are not.

p.s. You do not seem to understand the terms you use, and you use loaded language when it is counter productive, which is very tiresome. I suggest that you cut back on the loaded language, then I will accept your smileys as sincere. Until then I intend to ignore your posts, no matter what you write.

Wow. You really are an angry person aren't you. Must be the company you've kept. We ALL PANDER to each other's curiosity when we post here or anywhere else. That's the point of the thing.

Would it be bourgeois of me to suggest that the MOST common Nagual is a jackass? He he. Not kidding. Look it up.

Your poor children.

No worries. I won't post again to your thread.

Oh, AriG, you just contributed something of tremendous value! I am not going to say what right now. Again, not to be mysterious or cryptic, but out of self-protection. I cannot thank you enough for this post!

[Selkie]

One thing I really must make clear to everyone here is that I have no argument against using violence against violence. I mean, what should people do...turn the other cheek? What nonsense! My argument with the Kalika War Party is that, in my opinion, it is nothing but a gigantic red herring and gives people the illusion of fighting the perps, and nothing more. Same with the tulpa of Sophia. No, I am sorry. To free ourselves it will take more than that. More than that by a long shot.

addition: please understand, I do not mean evil against evil. Evil...by whose definition? No, it is violence against violence. That is a different thing altogether.

[Tangri]

Hello Silkie! and thank you for your posts. This is most interesting, yet disturbing.

If you will humor me by answering a question? Perhaps I missed this in the thread, but what drew you to this man and to this group, and were there any red flags as the relationship evolved?

No offense meant, AriG, but I politely decline to humor you.

Then I politely advise you that I will not entertain what you have to say as legitimate, as it appears that you are seeking sympathy and support, yet refusing to share the backstory (when, where and why.. only who). As dangerous and cult like as this individual appears to be (and personally I think he is an Agency trap), your posts are "streams of consciousness" and do not clearly identify your intent on illuminating and exposing this person, nor do they provide any legitimacy to the claim that he abused you. You had a choice. You always have a choice. Unfortunately, if psychopaths like this guy do rise to real power, they'll make the Controllers look like Girl Scouts. As for your current situation, it might help if you stopped focusing on what has gone wrong in life and start rebuilding a positive reality. That bitterness will only consume you. The psychopath doesn't care. He is immune. Snowstorms and pot stirring.... seem to go hand in hand... ;) Nothing to see here folks... move along... in other words..... nothing to flush out here. Nice try.

AriG I understand you, but you should consider to act little more softly to attack to wounded one, even if you are angry on their mistakes.

Subject person was,/is very manipulative and aggressive one and he effected mostly female individuals while he was on Avalon forum, some female authorities chose side beside him without any remorse even after his departure. It is easy to blame fraud victim but also it is very easy become a victim since human nature is naive. You should consider to blame an individual if he/she insisted(third , forth time) to fell same kind trick over and over.

You can not force someone to disclose effect and affects on his/her weakest moment. It is not fair.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78630-John-Lash-s-Kalika-war-party&p=919671&viewfull=1#post919671

[Sean]

Well, I'm glad I started this thread. I had no idea of Lash's backstory. I(clearly) was swayed by the idea of hitting back..but I see now that my judgment was cloudy.
@Silkie Thanks so much for sharing your direct experience with John. He seems to me a sociopath, at the least. I've dealt with several of them here in Hollywood :) so, although I wasn't hurt as badly as you..I see Lash now for what he is. Not sure why anyone would attack you for sharing your experience, but hey, it's the internet.

@Bill Ryan, you were very correct about this man. I don't know if Archons infected him, or he's just a MK/ULTRA govt. plant, but, this whole thing with Kalika is an "oke-doke". get some idiots to do something dumb under the Kalika banner, to further some unknown end. It's a set-up. As a New Yorker, I should have been street-smart enough to know that from the get-go. I let my own lust for revenge skew my BS detector.

I do think action, not just passivity and words, are required vs. the enemies of humanity, both on earth, off-world,interdimensionally or wherever. I've no idea how many ways we're being hit, and from what angles. We have to do SOMETHING.

But this isn't it, and Lash isn't the guy.

[Bingo]

I'm glad you started this thread too, workingactor. I was in the process of seeing through this guy and struggling. This thread has helped a lot.

Silkie, could you give an opinion on John's intentions regarding the GNE. Was any of that real or just a figment of his attention-getting imagination?

[Tangri]

Well, I'm glad I started this thread. I had no idea of Lash's backstory. I(clearly) was swayed by the idea of hitting back..but I see now that my judgment was cloudy.
@Silkie Thanks so much for sharing your direct experience with John. He seems to me a sociopath, at the least. I've dealt with several of them here in Hollywood :) so, although I wasn't hurt as badly as you..I see Lash now for what he is. Not sure why anyone would attack you for sharing your experience, but hey, it's the internet.

@Bill Ryan, you were very correct about this man. I don't know if Archons infected him, or he's just a MK/ULTRA govt. plant, but, this whole thing with Kalika is an "oke-doke". get some idiots to do something dumb under the Kalika banner, to further some unknown end. It's a set-up. As a New Yorker, I should have been street-smart enough to know that from the get-go. I let my own lust for revenge skew my BS detector.

I do think action, not just passivity and words, are required vs. the enemies of humanity, both on earth, off-world,interdimensionally or wherever. I've no idea how many ways we're being hit, and from what angles. We have to do SOMETHING.

But this isn't it, and Lash isn't the guy.

It is not only Archons infected or MK/ULTRA govt. plant what they are. People can have financial purpose to come here promote a book or his/her web page, subject person is not alone here , on this kind of intention you can hit a handful of them as I did.

[3(C)+me]

Well, I'm glad I started this thread. I had no idea of Lash's backstory. I(clearly) was swayed by the idea of hitting back..but I see now that my judgment was cloudy.
@Silkie Thanks so much for sharing your direct experience with John. He seems to me a sociopath, at the least. I've dealt with several of them here in Hollywood :) so, although I wasn't hurt as badly as you..I see Lash now for what he is. Not sure why anyone would attack you for sharing your experience, but hey, it's the internet.

@Bill Ryan, you were very correct about this man. I don't know if Archons infected him, or he's just a MK/ULTRA govt. plant, but, this whole thing with Kalika is an "oke-doke". get some idiots to do something dumb under the Kalika banner, to further some unknown end. It's a set-up. As a New Yorker, I should have been street-smart enough to know that from the get-go. I let my own lust for revenge skew my BS detector.

I do think action, not just passivity and words, are required vs. the enemies of humanity, both on earth, off-world,interdimensionally or wherever. I've no idea how many ways we're being hit, and from what angles. We have to do SOMETHING.

But this isn't it, and Lash isn't the guy.

Yes, thank you for this tread. Imho doing something is not necessarily getting out there and acting/behaving/protesting. That is one way but doing something can include being aware, knowing how Archons act and personally in your life doing things that keep you safe and aware of your surroundings. Doing something is being straight with people and not playing games all that is doing something. It clears your field and influences those around you even if you say not a word. So I will not go out and do this or that but in my own life I will make sure I am clear and not being food for some hungry ghost in the form of a person needing to feed off my energy and some of these people do not know that they are doing it. Doing something is talking about JL and calling him out on his manipulations. That is doing something and will do many people some good.

PS Am I to understand that JL had a thread here and if so is it still open??

[RunningDeer]

PS Am I to understand that JL had a thread here and if so is it still open??
I believe Tangri confused John Lash with maurice who was a member for less than two weeks back in November, 2014. Here's Bill's final post on that thread: So you got your wake up call and recoiled in fear?
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76626-So-you-got-your-wake-up-call-and-recoiled-in-fear&p=902034&viewfull=1#post902034)

Tangri’s post - #214 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78630-John-Lash-s-Kalika-war-party&p=936235&viewfull=1#post936235)


Subject person was,/is very manipulative and aggressive one and he effected mostly female individuals while he was on Avalon forum, some female authorities chose side beside him without any remorse even after his departure. It is easy to blame fraud victim but also it is very easy become a victim since human nature is naive. You should consider to blame an individual if he/she insisted(third , forth time) to fell same kind trick over and over.

[Tangri]

PS Am I to understand that JL had a thread here and if so is it still open??
I believe Tangri confused John Lash with maurice who was a member for less than two weeks back in November, 2014. Here's Bill's final post on that thread: So you got your wake up call and recoiled in fear?
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76626-So-you-got-your-wake-up-call-and-recoiled-in-fear&p=902034&viewfull=1#post902034)

Tangri’s post - #214 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78630-John-Lash-s-Kalika-war-party&p=936235&viewfull=1#post936235)


Subject person was,/is very manipulative and aggressive one and he effected mostly female individuals while he was on Avalon forum, some female authorities chose side beside him without any remorse even after his departure. It is easy to blame fraud victim but also it is very easy become a victim since human nature is naive. You should consider to blame an individual if he/she insisted(third , forth time) to fell same kind trick over and over.

:nono: Same effects and affects but different persons.

This is really interesting, because same kind drones stopped(stops) by at Avalon forum and received (receives)same reactions generally. Usually we are not giving personal fight to the specific individuals but their origins.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78630-John-Lash-s-Kalika-war-party&p=936269&viewfull=1#post936269

[Selkie]

PS Am I to understand that JL had a thread here and if so is it still open??
I believe Tangri confused John Lash with maurice who was a member for less than two weeks back in November, 2014. Here's Bill's final post on that thread: So you got your wake up call and recoiled in fear?
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76626-So-you-got-your-wake-up-call-and-recoiled-in-fear&p=902034&viewfull=1#post902034)

Tangri’s post - #214 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78630-John-Lash-s-Kalika-war-party&p=936235&viewfull=1#post936235)


Subject person was,/is very manipulative and aggressive one and he effected mostly female individuals while he was on Avalon forum, some female authorities chose side beside him without any remorse even after his departure. It is easy to blame fraud victim but also it is very easy become a victim since human nature is naive. You should consider to blame an individual if he/she insisted(third , forth time) to fell same kind trick over and over.

:nono: Same effects and affects but different persons.

This is really interesting, because same kind drones stopped(stops) by at Avalon forum and received same reactions generally. Usually we are not giving personal fight to the specific individuals but their origins.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78630-John-Lash-s-Kalika-war-party&p=936269&viewfull=1#post936269

I joined this forum specifically in response to this post by Bill Ryan

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78630-John-Lash-s-Kalika-war-party&p=919179&viewfull=1#post919179

I wanted to confirm to everyone that Bill's (and other moderators?) characterization of Lash's manner and tone are correct and that it was not anything they were projecting. If I had come on and posted something like "Yes, I know Lash personally and he is the way you say in your post, Bill." it would have simply been an assertion. I posted some of the intimacies of my dealings with Lash to provide evidence** of his character, so that I would not merely be making assertions about it and so that Bill and the other mods would know that I really know this man and that most of what Bill intuited about him is true.

I was really dismayed that some people thought that I was "airing dirty laundry". Isn't that what a whistle-blower does? They air the dirty laundry of people who are trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the public. But they do not do it gratuitously, for personal attention. They do it as a public service. Such was my intent, too.

And the reason I declined to post the back story is because to do so really would have been gratuitous. What does it matter how I met him? Nor am I going to reveal things about him that are really none of anybody's business, because I am not here to satisfy anyone's idle curiosity about Lash or myself and our relationship. I have told the public (this forum) what I think it needs to know to protect themselves from him. I also revealed some things that I want the public to know for my own protection, like the death threat and the disappearance of my birth certificate, bank checks and passwords from either Ambergane House or Witchaven, and the fact that he knows all about the intimate details of my personal history, psyche, sexuality, etc.

**Every word I wrote about my experiences with him is true. All of his words that I quoted, I quoted verbatim, just as he spoke or wrote them to me.

addition: And I really had not heard of Project Avalon before I stumbled upon Bill's post. Sorry, but I really had not.

[Selkie]

I'm glad you started this thread too, workingactor. I was in the process of seeing through this guy and struggling. This thread has helped a lot.

Silkie, could you give an opinion on John's intentions regarding the GNE. Was any of that real or just a figment of his attention-getting imagination?

The GNE is over. It ended in March of 2014.

And at the end of the day, I think it was just a figment of his attention-getting imagination, as is the "lethal strike" and all the rest of his Gaian "magic."

[Selkie]

Well, I'm glad I started this thread. I had no idea of Lash's backstory. I(clearly) was swayed by the idea of hitting back..but I see now that my judgment was cloudy.
@Silkie Thanks so much for sharing your direct experience with John. He seems to me a sociopath, at the least. I've dealt with several of them here in Hollywood :) so, although I wasn't hurt as badly as you..I see Lash now for what he is. Not sure why anyone would attack you for sharing your experience, but hey, it's the internet.

@Bill Ryan, you were very correct about this man. I don't know if Archons infected him, or he's just a MK/ULTRA govt. plant, but, this whole thing with Kalika is an "oke-doke". get some idiots to do something dumb under the Kalika banner, to further some unknown end. It's a set-up. As a New Yorker, I should have been street-smart enough to know that from the get-go. I let my own lust for revenge skew my BS detector.

I do think action, not just passivity and words, are required vs. the enemies of humanity, both on earth, off-world,interdimensionally or wherever. I've no idea how many ways we're being hit, and from what angles. We have to do SOMETHING.

But this isn't it, and Lash isn't the guy.

You are welcome, workingactor.

p.s. I don't know if its the archons, either. I tend to think its just his personal "demons". We all have them. We all have baggage. But we all don't go around scapegoating whole races of people.

[Bingo]

Thanks for answering my question. I am so sorry this has happened to you and I hope, in the end, the experience can be turned around so that you can benefit from it.

When the gaian navigational experiment began several years ago, I fell for his words hook, line and sinker. But back then it was about many other subjects I wanted to learn about. John has quite a seductive manner, so when some of his real attitudes crept in, they were easy to rationalize...to a point. Obviously his threats against "a whole race of people" became ridiculous and absurd, so much so that it was hard to believe this was really what he intended. Nothing like a death threat to clear that up.

Now I'm asking myself how I got so involved with such a hate-filled, deranged soul. Yes, we all have our demons, but this man is influencing quite a few people and should be totally exposed.

I realize how unpleasant this is for you...yet you have helped us all anyway. So thank you very much for sharing your experience.

[Selkie]

Thanks for answering my question. I am so sorry this has happened to you and I hope, in the end, the experience can be turned around so that you can benefit from it.

When the gaian navigational experiment began several years ago, I fell for his words hook, line and sinker. But back then it was about many other subjects I wanted to learn about. John has quite a seductive manner, so when some of his real attitudes crept in, they were easy to rationalize...to a point. Obviously his threats against "a whole race of people" became ridiculous and absurd, so much so that it was hard to believe this was really what he intended. Nothing like a death threat to clear that up.

Now I'm asking myself how I got so involved with such a hate-filled, deranged soul. Yes, we all have our demons, but this man is influencing quite a few people and should be totally exposed.

I realize how unpleasant this is for you...yet you have helped us all anyway. So thank you very much for sharing your experience.

You are welcome, Bingo. And yes, I am turning it around. I only left him in early October of 2014, and it took me a couple of months to find the kind of help I needed, plus it is known that this process I am going through takes a good year to 18 months, usually.

p.s. And may I venture to say that you got involved because his derangement was not obvious at the start of the GNE, or even during most of it? Not only that, but his seductiveness is his lure, that which draws people to him: he is alluring. So please, I hope you do not blame yourself for falling for him.

[Limor Wolf]

In truth and honor, any meaning of criticism of a public figure (especially one who made his work about the archonic forces intervening and dictating our world ) should idealy be related to the work of the person and the logics surrounding it, and less on the personality and more privet issues.

Many researchers of this profound subject are attacked and at times are being diverted, something which only gives more strengthening and a stamp to the issue at hand which revolve around our world and ourselves

I was saddened to read this thread

[donk]

Sorry you're sad, but sometimes the messenger is as important as some of the messages he transmits...specially if they radically fundamentally change. It does not negate anything the messenger has ever said: truth stands on its own. Context is important though.

Information about why and how information is transmitted is often very telling in itself. But we all know that by now, how important discernment is

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by Donk : "Context is important though."

Yes it is, but it is also about the various nuances and bounderies within the personal details provided.. one never knows when the tail will be going against them. If information is not going well, not resonating, and the messanger is erring.. then say your matter and remove your energy from them rather than cheer and dwell on the gossipy details. Personal matters and relationships dwellings are food for vultures and as I said it can turn around and bite someone on their rare end.

Archonic matters are the most dangerous to research, discuss and reveal at our times, and will be more so in the future, and one can count the brave souls doing it on one hand, therfore, things can turn out not okay for the researcher involved.
Easiest thing to do is to be pondering on the personal intricacies more or less than on the information and suggestions themselves. Now, that's a trap.

Nuances..

[Selkie]

In truth and honor, any meaning of criticism of a public figure (especially one who made his work about the archonic forces intervening and dictating our world ) should idealy be related to the work of the person and the logics surrounding it, and less on the personality and more privet issues.

Many researchers of this profound subject are attacked and at times are being diverted, something which only gives more strengthening and a stamp to the issue at hand which revolve our world and ourselves in it

I was saddened to read this thread

I see that you are located in Israel. I can't tell if you are Jewish or not, but are you aware of Lash's attitude toward Israel and the Jews? Have you listened to his later Navigator Briefings and his "Nousletters" and heard what he has to say for yourself?

Btw, I don't mean that in any kind of sarcastic or hostile way. Lash's attitude toward the Jews and Israel is just plain dangerous, not to mention morally repugnant. He is scapegoating two whole races of people, Jew and Muslims.

Now, being an American, I have to say that I defend Lash's right, under the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, to say such things. But I still find them to be totally repugnant.

p.s. Remember Jim Jones? He started out really and truly feeding and sheltering thousands of poor and homeless people. But scholars and psychologists are still studying what happened at Jonestown, and none of them think that what happened there can be separated from the character of the man, Jim Jones.

an addition: The problem is that people trust John Lash. I am trying to show them that that is a mistake. His seductive manner lures people in and gets them to lower their critical capacities and their emotional defenses. What he did to me he has done to others. There is a Facebook page where you can read about it

https://www.facebook.com/pages/John-Lamb-Lash-and-the-Failed-Gaian-Warriors/127138290783165

p.s. I just joined Facebook yesterday. I don't know yet if the people in that Facebook group will talk to me or not.

[donk]

Originally posted by Donk : "Context is important though."

Yes it is, but it is also about the various nuances and bounderies within the personal details provided.. one never knows when the tail will be going against them. If information is not going well, not resonating, and the messanger is erring.. then say your matter and remove your energy from them rather than cheer and dwell on the gossipy details. Personal matters and relationships dwellings are food for vultures and as I said it can turn around and bite someone on their rare end.

Archonic matters are the most dangerous to research, discuss and reveal at our times, and will be more so in the future, and one can count the brave souls doing it on one hand, therfore, things can turn out not okay for the researcher involved.
Easiest thing to do is to be pondering on the personal intricacies more or less than on the information and suggestions themselves. Now, that's a trap.

Nuances..

Well my friend, despite your characterization that I'm cheering and dwelling on gossip, I see myself to be carefully and discern-fully considering information from a being that is adding to the information pool from which I've seen an amount of folks that I can't even count who are researching and interested in and studying up on the "archontic situation".

It is true only a hand or two is able to count the number of "Alt media quasi celebrities" transmitting their information on the subject, and perhaps there's about as many posters on "truth forums" discerning their information while factoring what we can of the context those transmitters...in an emotionally detached and respectful as possible way

Nuances indeed

[Selkie]

Originally posted by Donk : "Context is important though."

Yes it is, but it is also about the various nuances and bounderies within the personal details provided.. one never knows when the tail will be going against them. If information is not going well, not resonating, and the messanger is erring.. then say your matter and remove your energy from them rather than cheer and dwell on the gossipy details. Personal matters and relationships dwellings are food for vultures and as I said it can turn around and bite someone on their rare end.

Archonic matters are the most dangerous to research, discuss and reveal at our times, and will be more so in the future, and one can count the brave souls doing it on one hand, therfore, things can turn out not okay for the researcher involved.
Easiest thing to do is to be pondering on the personal intricacies more or less than on the information and suggestions themselves. Now, that's a trap.

Nuances..

It is the hypocrite who should be worried about getting bitten on his rear end, not his victims. Bitten in his rear end by his victims.

[Kristin]

Going back to basics is always a good idea when you are dealing with the archons. They use tried and true tactics. They will gain your trust by giving you access to inter-dimensional information that you end up relying on and even basing your identity in. For example, a person who bases their personal identity on being psychic may have seeing skills, yet, the information comes from another entity, not from their hearts. Archons will do this for years until you trust them completely and give your power away. Which is why it's a good idea to never rely on an another entity for information, ever. As humans we need to be completely autonomous or we risk our ability to be sovereign.

Archons will give you false information that you believe completely to separate you from anyone who may be rational. Rational thinking is dangerous for them so it needs to be eradicated. They are mimics so they use your own imagination to create an enemy for you. (Carlos Castinada) The more complex the host, the more complex the enemy becomes. Everything then is suspected as being a plot. Everyone is suspicious. Your good intentions are used as their tool as is your imagination. For example: a person may feel they are saving another and truly believe that they are, but they are actually doing the dirty work for the Archons. Recently I read about a young girl who was taken from her parents into foster care. In this case the girl was killed by the foster parents through violence. However, she was taken away from her true parents because they were seen smoking pot. This is an extreme case but you can see how even the law can become archontically infected and used as a tool to filter victims into places that are not safe. Believe me, the people who reported the toking parents really thought the child was in some kind of danger.

Archons will also give you the illusion that you are special and chosen in some way. Much of this is written by Dr. Carla Turner. Before you know it you are the keeper of such and such or the holder of some sacred key to the universe. The Illuminati use the same tactic, it's a running theme and a BIG RED FLAG. As soon as you buy into it they have you completely. You then use your own special authority to condemn others, to judge, to mark flaws, and to see everyone else as being less understanding and less special then yourself. It's an empowerment trap. You then become them (the false authority) and are completely lost while you condemn others. As Castenada said, "They gave us their minds."

Academically, I would trust Lash more if he was more pragmatic and rational as a researcher. His gnosis work, unfortunately relies a great deal on his own translations and assumptions of what the translations may have been. He admits this. He fills in the blanks himself. This is not very scientific. You are talking about the word of the sacred feminine. It seems to me that a person should not assume the authority to translate such wisdom with his own words and assumptions, no? But I digress.

Both the man and the information that the man provides is in question for me. Not one or the other. I rely more on Elaine Pagels for translations and academics with concern to gnosis and it's effect historically. Elaine Pagles is peer reviewed, a true academic, and respected researcher. There is much to consider.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[donk]

Well said Kristin!!! Thanks ain't enough (if I were still the "thanking" type;))

[Selkie]

Going back to basics is always a good idea when you are dealing with the archons. They use tried and true tactics. They will gain your trust by giving you access to inter-dimensional information that you end up relying on and even basing your identity in. For example, a person who bases their personal identity on being psychic may have seeing skills, yet, the information comes from another entity, not from their hearts. Archons will do this for years until you trust them completely and give your power away. Which is why it's a good idea to never rely on an another entity for information, ever. As humans we need to be completely autonomous or we risk our ability to be sovereign.

Archons will give you false information that you believe completely to separate you from anyone who may be rational. Rational thinking is dangerous for them so it needs to be eradicated. They are mimics so they use your own imagination to create an enemy for you. (Carlos Castinada) The more complex the host, the more complex the enemy becomes. Everything then is suspected as being a plot. Everyone is suspicious. Your good intentions are used as their tool as is your imagination. For example: a person may feel they are saving another and truly believe that they are, but they are actually doing the dirty work for the Archons. Recently I read about a young girl who was taken from her parents into foster care. In this case the girl was killed by the foster parents through violence. However, she was taken away from her true parents because they were seen smoking pot. This is an extreme case but you can see how even the law can become archontically infected and used as a tool to filter victims into places that are not safe. Believe me, the people who reported the toking parents really thought the child was in some kind of danger.

Archons will also give you the illusion that you are special and chosen in some way. Much of this is written by Dr. Carla Turner. Before you know it you are the keeper of such and such or the holder of some sacred key to the universe. The Illuminati use the same tactic, it's a running theme and a BIG RED FLAG. As soon as you buy into it they have you completely. You then use your own special authority to condemn others, to judge, to mark flaws, and to see everyone else as being less understanding and less special then yourself. It's an empowerment trap. You then become them (the false authority) and are completely lost while you condemn others. As Castenada said, "They gave us their minds."

Academically, I would trust Lash more if he was more pragmatic and rational as a researcher. His gnosis work, unfortunately relies a great deal on his own translations and assumptions of what the translations may have been. He admits this. He fills in the blanks himself. This is not very scientific. You are talking about the word of the sacred feminine. It seems to me that a person should not assume the authority to translate such wisdom with his own words and assumptions, no? But I digress.

Both the man and the information that the man provides is in question for me. Not one or the other. I rely more on Elaine Pagels for translations and academics with concern to gnosis and it's effect historically. Elaine Pagles is peer reviewed, a true academic, and respected researcher. There is much to consider.

From the Heart,
Kristin

Kristin, I am so grateful for this post. I want to respond properly to it, but I am too shaken to do it now.

[Selkie]

...the MOST common Nagual is a jackass? He he. Not kidding. Look it up.

This is of tremendous significance, and I am going to try to tell you why I think so.

Now I have to go into a string of associations. Please bear with me.

Culo is "ass", but it is also the same word as "Kula", as in Kula Devi, the Devi (goddess) of the ass or pelvis, hence the Devi of the tribe (see metahistory.org).

Lash has written a screen play entitled en el Amor con el Culo de un Burro, in English, In Love with the Ass of a Donkey.

But if a nagual is a jackass (or donkey), then whoever follows him is following an ass, an "ass", a clown, a trickster! And I am as certain as I can be that Lash knows that "nagual" means "jackass". Other people have noticed his trickster-like qualities, too

Copied and pasted from the Godlike Productions forum in the thread entitled John Lash-Jay Weidner Credibility
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2098515/pg1

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 24390459
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02/18/2013 02:22 AM

Quote: "...but I feel certain that he is using the archetype of the trickster with us, he is paying a game with us..." (emphasis Silkie's)

Another woman noticed his trickster-like qualities, too, but she did not know what she was witnessing*.

Now some more: in case you haven't seen it, please refer to a movie called The Prestige, with Michael Caine and Christian Bale. It is about a magician who totally lives his role. A "method actor" supreme.

And a nagual, in the Castanedan sense of the word, has no problem playing the fool or the trickster. A nagual supposedly has no self-importance. But I think that might be a lie. I think a nagual (and Lash claims to be THE nagual, not just a nagual) feels so superior to everyone else that he becomes his own antithesis. That is why he is a trickster. He (Lash) seems to be mocking his own followers. With his screen play he seems to be telling them that he is their Pied Piper, so to speak.

But even that follows the plot of a Castanedan book, The Eagle's Gift. Lash says that the Eagle is the sun, which I think might be another lie, because Castaneda's description of the Eagle has always sounded like the Lord Archon...a gigantic Flyer...to me! In other words, I think that "...to dart past the Eagle and be free." might be yet another lie. I think that the purpose of the Sorcerer's Party might be to lead a group of dupes right into the jaws of the Eagle, because, according to Castaneda, souls are the Eagle's food. And what happened to Castaneda and his followers sounds just like what Kristin wrote in her post about what happens when the leader of a group becomes Archontically infected.**

*There is a very important story connected with this trickster theme that I would like to tell, but it involves a very sweet person who was victimized by Lash. She does not speak or read much English, but friends of hers do, and I do not want her to be hurt. She has already been hurt enough. But I hope that people can begin to see how important all the personal stuff is, because here, again, I would have to refer to something that happened to someone personally connected to Lash.

p.s. Lash says that Castaneda was the warm-up act for Planetary Tantra. Think about that for a minute...

p.s. sorry about all the edits...I'm tired.

**additional thoughts: What happened to Castaneda's followers is what happens to many groups who follow a leader who becomes "archontically infected". Jonestown. Heaven's Gate. The Branch Davidians. David Berg's cult, The Family. And many, many more. They all display Lifton's eight criteria:

http://www.exitsupportnetwork.com/artcls/mindctrl/lifton.htm

There is a definite process to those kinds of leaders and their followers becoming more and more isolated from the outside world. There is a definite process of them emotionally, intellectually, psychologically, and finally physically (if they can afford it) shutting out the outside world. Janja Lalich has characterized it beautifully in Bounded Choice: True Believers and Charismatic Cults.

See here, also

http://www.cultresearch.org/pdf/bc_in_csr.pdf

[Selkie]

Please everyone, check this out

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=432678496895808&id=127138290783165

A reasoned, rational reply from Sweden to John Lash's racial fear-and-hate mongering.

[Selkie]

What you describe:


...Before you know it you are the keeper of such and such or the holder of some sacred key to the universe...You then use your own special authority to condemn others, to judge, to mark flaws, and to see everyone else as being less understanding and less special then yourself...

is exactly how cults think and operate:

http://www.exitsupportnetwork.com/artcls/mindctrl/lifton.htm

See also Bounded Choice: True Believers and Charismatic Cults by Janja Lalich, Combatting Cult Mind Control by Steven Hassan, and Take Back Your Life by Janja Lalich and Madeline Tobias.

Also, weirdly, it is also how malignant narcissists operate, and cult leaders are almost always malignant narcissists:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malignant_narcissism

What malignant narcissists do is suppress and try to destroy the subjectivity of others. They batter down a person's self-confidence and self-esteem and turn others into their objects. That is why people who come out of cults and cultic relationships are so traumatized and so often suffer from PTSD:

See Malignant Self-Love by Sam Vaknin and Traumatic Narcissism by Daniel Shaw. By the way, I know that Sam Vaknin is a malignant narcissist himself, but I have read his book and its description of how a malignant narcissist operates is spot-on.

You can also see here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malignant_narcissism

and here:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,8381.msg59994.html?PHPSESSID=0b4e833677c9faa80b7dbdafd1540223#msg59994

But long story short, more than anything else, your description of what happens to a person who is Archontically infected made me think of the character "Gordon Smallwood" from the movie The Mothman Prophecies, who was modeled after Woodrow Derenberger from the book The Mothman Prophecies by John Keel. Oh, and of course also the character of "Alexander(?) Leek" from the movie. But neither of those men became what could be characterized as megalomaniacal and dangerous to those who pay them heed.

But then, again, perhaps they could have, give time or the right personality factors:


The more complex the host, the more complex the enemy becomes.

Once again, thank you so much for this post, Kristin. It really shook me, and I am still thinking about it. At this point, I am being cautious. I am not questioning your expertise, or your honesty or sincerity or anything like that. I am merely being cautious.

[christian]

In truth and honor, any meaning of criticism of a public figure (especially one who made his work about the archonic forces intervening and dictating our world ) should idealy be related to the work of the person and the logics surrounding it, and less on the personality and more privet issues.

Many researchers of this profound subject are attacked and at times are being diverted, something which only gives more strengthening and a stamp to the issue at hand which revolve around our world and ourselves

I was saddened to read this thread

I agree that the subject is very interesting and profound, as it may be very important to human behavior. With that in mind, I think it's also interesting how the study of this subject affects the life of a person who studies it and how it affects what a person is developing. I think of this as looking at an issue in a holistic way. The purpose is to learn more and come to a more comprehensive understanding of something, to protect oneself from harm and enable one to make sound decisions.

After all, it could be conceivable that John Lash could in some way be compared to the case of Marie Curie, who made very important discoveries in nuclear physics and eventually died of the effects of radiation exposure. If studying archontic forces leads to increased exposure to these forces, it would important to be aware of this. Looking at case examples might therefore be helpful to become aware of potential dangers and to develop ways to defend against them. This may be very subtle and hard to discern, and caution and humility are certainly needed during the research in order to maintain a holistic perspective and not slip into extremes.

I appreciate John Lash's contribution to the investigation of a fascinating phenomenon etc. and I don't exempt him from all the love that I have. Nevertheless, I reckon that knowing more about John Lash's overall behavior, which may be influenced by his work environment, could be important to whomever joins his endeavors or follows in his footsteps.

[Sierra]

If you go back to basics, then to apply the axiom "live by the sword, die by the sword", to John Lash's instructions on how to kill by using magic, it is rather clear those that follow such instructions are opening themselves to an equal backlash.

Throw in the vaunted magical expertise of the Illuminati into the equation, what are the odds a person assigning themselves the role of "Kalika Warrior", will succeed in such a venture?

Since we don't see anyone dying in the Bush, Rothschild or Rockefeller families, Kissinger and Cheney remain in good health, the queen of England still sits on her throne... Just how effective is the killing magic of the Kalika warriors?

And how is killing the answer? I just don't get it that the followers of John Lash cannot SEE how following such a path will send themselves down into darkness.

Seriously, if we ignore magic, and apply science, our issue is that psychopaths rule the world, regardless of magical expertise. Since we can now diagnose the illness of psychopathy, it opens up many pathways to rid ourselves of psychopaths, WITHOUT KILLING.

The population has to GET it, the issue is psychopaths rule the world, and they should not be allowed to occupy any position of authority or leadership.

If psychopathy is genetic, neither should they be allowed to breed or nurture.

Sierra (who feels it is blatantly obvious this guru wanna be is borderline something rather nasty, is no respecter of truth, does not have an understanding of who and what Gaia is, whose real agenda has nothing whatsoever to do with Gaia, and those who buy into his paradigm of killing violence, hatred of gays, hatred of Jews and Muslims, irresponsible sexual misuse and abuse of women, are infecting themselves.)

(Just my .02)

[Selkie]

In truth and honor, any meaning of criticism of a public figure (especially one who made his work about the archonic forces intervening and dictating our world ) should idealy be related to the work of the person and the logics surrounding it, and less on the personality and more privet issues.

Many researchers of this profound subject are attacked and at times are being diverted, something which only gives more strengthening and a stamp to the issue at hand which revolve around our world and ourselves

I was saddened to read this thread

I agree that the subject is very interesting and profound, as it may be very important to human behavior. With that in mind, I think it's also interesting how the study of this subject affects the life of a person who studies it and how it affects what a person is developing. I think of this as looking at an issue in a holistic way. The purpose is to learn more and come to a more comprehensive understanding of something, to protect oneself from harm and enable one to make sound decisions.

After all, it could be conceivable that John Lash could in some way be compared to the case of Marie Curie, who made very important discoveries in nuclear physics and eventually died of the effects of radiation exposure. If studying archontic forces leads to increased exposure to these forces, it would important to be aware of this. Looking at case examples might therefore be helpful to become aware of potential dangers and to develop ways to defend against them. This may be very subtle and hard to discern, and caution and humility are certainly needed during the research in order to maintain a holistic perspective and not slip into extremes.

I appreciate John Lash's contribution to the investigation of a fascinating phenomenon etc. and I don't exempt him from all the love that I have. Nevertheless, I reckon that knowing more about John Lash's overall behavior, which may be influenced by his work environment, could be important to whomever joins his endeavors or follows in his footsteps.

He told us what the Archons are and where they come from...if he is correct, that is. We don't know if he is correct, though. It all hinges on if you accept Lash's reading of the Nag Hammadi Library.

First, you have to accept that the galactic core is the home of sentient beings called aeons...

Then you have to accept that one of their members "plunged" out of the core in response to something she, herself, put out into the galactic arms...

Then you have to accept that this being is made of something called "the organic light"...

Then you have to accept that this being, who you have accepted is made of "organic light", hit the "dark elementary matter" in one of the galactic arms and made such a crash that her "organic light" caused a bizarre life-form, similar to acari insects, to spontaneously arise...

And on and on and on...

So I respectfully beg to differ with you. Lash is not like Curie at all. The difference between Lash and Marie Curie is that others could do experiments themselves, to prove or disprove the existence of radium, while Lash's "knowledge" is revealed.

Lash is a spellbinding storyteller. The story of the Aeon Sophia is a STORY. It is a narrative. It is not scientific fact. So while Marie Curie has a story which involves radium, radium itself is a fact...it existed before it was discovered, and it would exist whether anyone had ever discovered it or not. The earth is a fact. But the existence of the Organic Light, which Lash claims is the "primary substance body" of the Aeon Sophia...the physical earth being her physical body, if you accept the Story...is REVEALED KNOWLEDGE.

People come to him primed to accept what he tells them about what they see when they go into a mushroom trance with him. In other words, people come to him having already accepted the story. I wrote elsewhere that Lash does not let anyone near him who is skeptical of the story and who does not accept him as "the terton" and "the nagual". He does not let anyone near him who does not accept the Story as reality.

This is why Lash calls himself THE nagual. Because his intent is to lead enough people to the Story to change the world's reality to his, because he lives only in the Story...only in his reality. That is why I referred to that movie, The Prestige.

As a species...generally, that is...we are only just beginning to realize that we don't even know what reality is. Maybe there is no such thing as "reality". And here comes Lash, ready to use our uncertainty...our vulnerability...at this momentous moment in our development as a species, for his own ends...to hijack everyone into the Story, Jew and Muslims excepted; them he wants to exterminate "because" they "carry the Archontic Virus".

p.s. I understand where you are coming from :) , and it is a good place, but I heartily disagree, that's all.

[Selkie]

Sierra (who feels it is blatantly obvious this guru wanna be is borderline something rather nasty, is no respecter of truth, does not have an understanding of who and what Gaia is, whose real agenda has nothing whatsoever to do with Gaia, and those who buy into his paradigm of killing violence, hatred of gays, hatred of Jews and Muslims, irresponsible sexual misuse and abuse of women, are infecting themselves.)

(Just my .02)

Oh, man, I am doing back-flips!!! Thank you, Sierra...THANK YOU!!! :rockon:

[RunningDeer]

If you go back to basics, then to apply the axiom "live by the sword, die by the sword", to John Lash's instructions on how to kill by using magic, it is rather clear those that follow such instructions are opening themselves to an equal backlash.

Throw in the vaunted magical expertise of the Illuminati into the equation, what are the odds a person assigning themselves the role of "Kalika Warrior", will succeed in such a venture?

Since we don't see anyone dying in the Bush, Rothschild or Rockefeller families, Kissinger and Cheney remain in good health, the queen of England still sits on her throne... Just how effective is the killing magic of the Kalika warriors?

And how is killing the answer? I just don't get it that the followers of John Lash cannot SEE how following such a path will send themselves down into darkness.

Seriously, if we ignore magic, and apply science, our issue is that psychopaths rule the world, regardless of magical expertise. Since we can now diagnose the illness of psychopathy, it opens up many pathways to rid ourselves of psychopaths, WITHOUT KILLING.

The population has to GET it, the issue is psychopaths rule the world, and they should not be allowed to occupy any position of authority or leadership.

If psychopathy is genetic, neither should they be allowed to breed or nurture.

Sierra (who feels it is blatantly obvious this guru wanna be is borderline something rather nasty, is no respecter of truth, does not have an understanding of who and what Gaia is, whose real agenda has nothing whatsoever to do with Gaia, and those who buy into his paradigm of killing violence, hatred of gays, hatred of Jews and Muslims, irresponsible sexual misuse and abuse of women, are infecting themselves.)

(Just my .02)
(Just my .02)
Naw, more like a buck fifty.:hug:

[Selkie]

For the sky-watchers out there, I told Lash a long time ago that the constellation of the Archer:

http://moonstarhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Sagittarius.ConstellationHorseStars.jpg

is not aiming his arrow at the Scorpion:

http://i.imgur.com/BsyGSqw.gif

but that BOTH the Archer and the Scorpion are aiming at the heel of Orphicus:

http://www.mallorcaweb.net/masm/conobs/mitoph.gif

what Lash calls "the Snaketamer", the great shaman in the sky. Like this:

http://www.metahistory.org/images/JLgraphicsScalesArcher.jpg

picture credit: original artwork by John Lamb Lash from Metahistory.org

Why? Because as I see it, they are both there to deal with the Shaman or nagual who becomes deranged. They are both aiming at the heel because that is the vulnerable part...like Achilles heel.

Orphiuchus stands astride the galactic center, surfing its waves...in the curl, so-to-speak...using the serpent power as a guide, but also guiding and controlling it. And woe to the sorcerer who loses his sobriety, because the Scorpion and the Archer are there to deal with him.

Just saying

[Selkie]

(...this guru wannabe...whose real agenda has nothing whatsoever to do with Gaia.)

(Just my .02)

Lash likes to say that he is what he calls a "telestis"..."one who is aimed".

But he seems more like a locust...jumping about from plant to plant, always looking for a new food source.

Locusts are not aimed by anything other than a constant search for a new food source, and, interestingly, a locust and its "message" take on the coloration of that food source while it consumes it. And of course, once any current food source has been consumed, the locust is off to find another one, and the "message" assumes the coloration of the new food source as it is consumed in its turn. All food sources are momentary and temporary. Some food sources last but a few weeks. Others last a couple of years. But in the end, they are always consumed and then discarded as the locust moves on to "greener" pastures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locust

And so, if you observe (not follow,observe and critically analyze) Lash's "work" you will see that it meanders all over the place. There would appear to be no real aim at all. There appears to be no real goal. Unless Lash's stated aim is not his real aim at all :spider:

And so, per Sierra's quote above, it could be that Gaia may be nothing more than bait on a hook:

http://justgofishin.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Trotline2.jpg

[Selkie]

...the MOST common Nagual is a jackass? He he. Not kidding. Look it up.

This is of tremendous significance, and I am going to try to tell you why I think so.

Now I have to go into a string of associations. Please bear with me.

Culo is "ass", but it is also the same word as "Kula", as in Kula Devi, the Devi (goddess) of the ass or pelvis, hence the Devi of the tribe (see metahistory.org).

Lash has written a screen play entitled en el Amor con el Culo de un Burro, in English, In Love with the Ass of a Donkey.

But if a nagual is a jackass (or donkey), then whoever follows him is following an ass, an "ass", a clown, a trickster! And I am as certain as I can be that Lash knows that "nagual" means "jackass". Other people have noticed his trickster-like qualities, too

Copied and pasted from the Godlike Productions forum in the thread entitled John Lash-Jay Weidner Credibility
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2098515/pg1

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 24390459
United States
02/18/2013 02:22 AM

Quote: "...but I feel certain that he is using the archetype of the trickster with us, he is paying a game with us..." (emphasis Silkie's)

Another woman noticed his trickster-like qualities, too, but she did not know what she was witnessing**.

Now some more: in case you haven't seen it, please refer to a movie called The Prestige, with Michael Caine and Christian Bale. It is about a magician who totally lives his role. A "method actor" supreme.

And a nagual, in the Castanedan sense of the word, has no problem playing the fool or the trickster. A nagual supposedly has no self-importance. But I think that might be a lie. I think a nagual (and Lash claims to be THE nagual, not just a nagual) feels so superior to everyone else that he becomes his own antithesis. That is why he is a trickster. He (Lash) seems to be mocking his own followers. With his screen play he seems to be telling them that he is their Pied Piper, so to speak.

But even that follows the plot of a Castanedan book, The Eagle's Gift. Lash says that the Eagle is the sun, which I think might be another lie, because Castaneda's description of the Eagle has always sounded like the Lord Archon...a gigantic Flyer...to me! In other words, I think that "...to dart past the Eagle and be free." might be yet another lie. I think that the purpose of the Sorcerer's Party might be to lead a group of dupes right into the jaws of the Eagle, because, according to Castaneda, souls are the Eagle's food. And what happened to Castaneda and his followers sounds just like what Kristin wrote in her post about what happens when the leader of a group becomes Archontically infected.

**There is a very important story connected with this trickster theme that I would like to tell, but it involves a very sweet person who was victimized by Lash. She does not speak or read much English, but friends of hers do, and I do not want her to be hurt. She has already been hurt enough. But I hope that people can begin to see how important all the personal stuff is, because here, again, I would have to refer to something that happened to someone personally connected to Lash.

p.s. Lash says that Castaneda was the warm-up act for Planetary Tantra. Think about that for a minute...

p.s. sorry about all the edits...I'm tired.

Well, Godlike Productions seems to have disabled access to the link to their thread about John Lash that I provided, above. I can't tell if it is just my IP that is blocked, or if they have blocked everyone. But if I want to read their site, I have to agree to join, which I do not want to do. Funny...one day anyone with a computer can read their site, their threads and their posts, click on a thread and link it to another thread on another forum, but the next day, I, at least, cannot even view their site without agreeing to join.

In other words, one day, anyone can get on their site and say all kinds of things about John Lamb Lash...including calling him all kinds of names and saying all kinds of nasty things...that are not backed up by evidence, and they don't have a problem with it. But I post a link from their site to this thread, here, on Avalon...where I give specifics about how he treated me and parsing out a critical analysis of him...and now I cannot get into their site without joining. And I would like to know if it is something specific to this thread, or does it have something to do with "net neutrality" or something like that. Why would they even provide a permalink if it was not ok to link it somewhere else? I would also like to know if it is only I who am blocked, or is it a general blockage?

I wish I had had the foresight to save that thread on GLP in a file, but I did not.

an addition: And since the post was not taken down or edited by any of the moderators or admins, I assume it was an ok thing to post a link to GLP. So I don't know what is up. It sure is curious, though.

[RunningDeer]

Well, Godlike Productions seems to have disabled access to the link to their thread about John Lash that I provided,

FYI: I'm not a member. I tried your link and the other links at the site, it always comes back to the same place. I'd say check back in a couple of days to see if it's a new policy that you have to sign on or not.

[Selkie]

Well, Godlike Productions seems to have disabled access to the link to their thread about John Lash that I provided,

FYI: I'm not a member. I tried your link and the other links at the site, it always comes back to the same place. I'd say check back in a couple of days to see if it's a new policy that you have to sign on or not.

Thanks, RunningDeer :)

[Selkie]

Well, this thread seems to have pretty much run out. The last thing I suppose I will say is that I cannot believe that anyone who fear-and-hate mongers like John Lash does can lead anyone to a better, more beautiful world. And even if that absurdity which he calls the "lethal strike" would work (which it won't), who wants to live a world where John Lash has appointed himself as judge, jury and executioner of anyone he doesn't like? Does anyone here want to live in a world where anyone can "lethal strike" anyone else? A world where we all have the ability to act as judge/jury/executioner to everyone else? The "lethal strike" (if it worked, which it won't) might make for a very polite world, but it would be a world of total repression, no freedom, total fear. It would be a world that would make the Salem Witch Trials look like a picnic on a sunny day. I would be a world bleached of all feeling. It would be dry, and grim and sterile. It would be a world of total paranoia. It would be a dead world.

Not only that, but what is to prevent psychopaths from using the "lethal strike" themselves? The Earth is the "great whore"...that is what the ancients called Her...and so it stands to reason that the power of the "lethal strike"...if it were real, which it isn't...would be just as available to the psychopaths and big-time marauders as it is to anyone else**.

**Its really ironic, because psychopaths are more full of rage and fury than most people, and so they could charge a "lethal strike" cording with rage and fury maybe better than anyone.

[Sean]

Well, this thread seems to have pretty much run out. The last thing I suppose I will say is that I cannot believe that anyone who fear-and-hate mongers like John Lash does can lead anyone to a better, more beautiful world. And even if that absurdity which he calls the "lethal strike" would work (which it won't), who wants to live a world where John Lash has appointed himself as judge, jury and executioner of anyone he doesn't like? Does anyone here want to live in a world where anyone can "lethal strike" anyone else? A world where we all have the ability to act as judge/jury/executioner to everyone else? The "lethal strike" (if it worked, which it won't) might make for a very polite world, but it would be a world of total repression, no freedom, total fear. It would be a world that would make the Salem Witch Trials look like a picnic on a sunny day. I would be a world bleached of all feeling. It would be dry, and grim and sterile. It would be a world of total paranoia. It would be a dead world.

Not only that, but what is to prevent psychopaths from using the "lethal strike" themselves? The Earth is the "great whore"...that is what the ancients called Her...and so it stands to reason that the power of the "lethal strike"...if it were real, which it isn't...would be just as available to the psychopaths and big-time marauders as it is to anyone else**.

**Its really ironic, because psychopaths are more full of rage and fury than most people, and so they could charge a "lethal strike" cording with rage and fury maybe better than anyone.

Yeah, that's pretty much it, but this thread served it's purpose.

It brought your experience with Lash forward, and exposed him for the psycho he truly is.

[Selkie]

The complete list of things of mine that disappeared from either Ambergane House or Witchaven:

--My birth certificate
--My bank checks from the United States
--User names and passwords to various internet accounts, like Google, a couple of email accounts, Amazon, plus a few others.
--a long necklace of biwa pearls, with aquamarine and silver spacers, from the Northern California Renaissance Pleasure Faire (I did not lose it or give it to anyone).
--3 or 4 heavy, sterling silver commemorative pins from the Northern California Renaissance Pleasure Faire, all very expensive. These were in the bottom of a plastic bag. Someone would have had to either know that they were there or would have had to have the time to rummage around to find them.
--a heavy, braided-silver ankle bracelet, with a bronze and silver sun-face charm on it, very unusual, very expensive. This, too, was at the bottom of a plastic bag, so whoever took it either had to know that it was there, or would have had to have the time to rummage around for it.
--a CD entitled Le Pas du Chat Noir, with a broken case.
--a pewter pin of the head of a rabbit, about 1 inch long and 1/2 inch wide
--a green glass ring

an addition: I just remembered!...my Walmart employee discount card disappeared, too. My husband works at Walmart, and as his wife, I am entitled to an employee discount, and my card disappeared. Also, a 3x5 card with my husband's Walmart life insurance policy, and the password to it, disappeared, too.

another addition: I did not lose any of my things that went missing. Nor did I give any of those things to anyone. Nor did I give anything to anyone with instructions to give it to someone else. Nor do I suspect the property owners of either house of having taken any of my missing things.