2015: Bye Bye Harper

[Gaia]

Harper is a fanatic who represents relatively few Canadians. Canada is a solidly center left country. But there are too many center left parties and, given the nature of Canadian democracy, they are splitting the vote too many ways, making it possible for Harper to win.

In the last election, the late surge by the NDP siphoned away enough support from the Liberals to make it possible for Harper to win a majority something that no one expected and which was probably a real aberration. In the next election, the people on the center left have to start voting strategically.

If we want to save Canada from the corruption and abuse that Harper and his cronies have heaped upon it, voters have to vote smartly, not with ideology. Vote for the candidate in your riding who has the best chance of defeating the Conservative.

Fyi:

Did you know that the Harper Governement has been using a publicity agency to create and distribute governement approved news items to community newspapers, television and radio stations.

Once again, showing contempt for international standards and principles, Stephen Harper has turned his back on a shared global norm.

In a stunning display of contrarian behaviour, the Conservative Governement refused, at the September, 2013 meeting of the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES), to enhance protection for 76 plants and animal species under threat. Documents revealing this action have only just come to light.

Off you go Mr. Harper, you 've had nine years, time for new leaders to take over!

Mes échos de casseroles souverainistes me reviennent en cette année 2015!

[Snookie]

As much as I dislike him and his policies, I certainly don't think Justine Trudeau would be any better. I think the best thing for Canada is to have another minority government. That way it will be very difficult for them to push a bunch of stupid laws through without risking getting tossed out on their ear (whomever may be in charge).

Unfortunately none of the one who are running would be allowed to run if they hadn't already been vetted by the boys in charge. Look what happened to Jack Layton- came down with a aggressive form of cancer. I can't help wondering if it was because they knew he would have won.

[Gaia]

As much as I dislike him and his policies, I certainly don't think Justine Trudeau would be any better. I think the best thing for Canada is to have another minority government. That way it will be very difficult for them to push a bunch of stupid laws through without risking getting tossed out on their ear (whomever may be in charge).

Unfortunately none of the one who are running would be allowed to run if they hadn't already been vetted by the boys in charge. Look what happened to Jack Layton- came down with a aggressive form of cancer. I can't help wondering if it was because they knew he would have won.

Oh! my my! Cancer is cancer! The prognosis for some people with the disease is better than others. But people don’t know what it’s like to live with it until they do. All that cancer patients have is hope. And that hope fades a little every time a cancer patient hears about someone dying with the same strain of the disease they have.

Jack Layton understood that.

[chancy]

Hello Everyone:
It's interesting to read words from other Canucks about harper. I was born a conservative and quit in 2008 officially when I saw what kind of Canada harper was trying to create. No one wants a dictator and this is what we have aquired by manipulation and dishonesty. We were lead to believe that harper and the conservatives would fix alot of the things in Canada that needed to be fix. Instead he tries to control everything from the media to farming to immigration and so you can imagine he has changed Canada for the worse. Yes, I think that Canada is a Great country but conservatism has put a huge hole in the fabric of a strong Canada with values that were seen around the world with respect!
chancy
ps Let's vote the conservatives out with a loud resounding "GO HOME"
anything is better than the conservatives with full power. As an opposition they were always going after everything that was done wrong by the liberals. When harper got a majority government they went pure crazy.

Link:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/canada-becoming-wing-country-210046581.html

Here is an article that says it alot better than I could:

Is Canada becoming a right-wing country?
CBCCBC – 2 hours 44 minutes ago - January 12, 2015

No matter where I travel abroad to lecture these days, the first question economists ask me is: What happened to Canada?

The perception is that Canada made a sharp ideological turn right and is no longer a shining example of a compassionate country.

I can understand why this perception exists. After all, we have had a conservative ideologue (though not a philosopher king) as prime minister for the past eight years who has implemented a number of conservative policies in areas like the environment, fiscal policy and law and justice (by adopting tough-on-crime legislation in an era of declining crime rates).

Even Republicans in the U.S., who for decades have painted Canada as an evil socialist country, now embrace this country’s conservative (counter) revolution.

Like many perceptions, this is not the reality. While back in 2008 Harper vowed “to make conservatism the natural governing philosophy of the country,” Canadians still refuse to buy into his dogma.

While it is undoubtedly true that federal policies have indeed become more right-wing, we must differentiate between the party in power and the policies it implements on the one hand, and the values shared by Canadians on the other.

So where do Canadians stand?

On economic issues, Canadians send mixed signals.

I will concede Canadians overwhelmingly agree fiscal deficits are bad. This, I believe, has been the greatest victory of the right and its leaders, starting with former Conservative cabinet ministers Michael Wilson and Don Mazankowski, and former Liberal prime minister Paul Martin. They have convinced Canadians of the myth that government finances are analogous to household finances. The left has never been able to respond to this claim in a way that captured the imagination of Canadians.

But it would be a mistake to conclude Canadians are fiscally conservative. For instance, in an Angus Reid public opinion poll from almost three years ago, a full 56 per cent of Canadians felt there was an important role for the government to play in redistributing wealth.

What is even more important is that Canadians would accept raising taxes in order to reduce inequality.

Health and the environment

Regarding our national health-care system, 81 per cent of Canadians in a 2012 study by Environics listed it as one of the most important symbols of Canadian identity, knowing full well the cost of such a system.

Canadians also value our social service institutions, along with our (once) generous social safety net. Harper has been tinkering with these, but has stopped short of taking them on.

On environmental issues, Canadians clearly reject the government’s approach, and 57 per cent believe climate change is a man-made catastrophe that requires strong government intervention, and would be willing to pay extra taxes to better the environment.

Progressive on pot, LGBT and women’s rights

And with respect to social issues, if anything, Canada is becoming more progressive.

Take for instance the progress made by gay and lesbian groups over the last decade, including on same-sex marriage. We are still firmly in favour of a woman’s right to choose, still opposed to capital punishment, and increasingly in favour of death with dignity, not to mention the legalization of pot.

So on both economic and social issues, the majority of Canadians disagree with the direction the government is taking this country. This must surely infuriate Harper, who just cannot seem to make any headway on these issues. If anything, he orders his members to remain silent knowing full well how the population can turn with startling rapidity when these issues are brought up.

This suggests that while Conservative governments may succeed for a while to govern and veer the country to the right, the result is less impressive than imagined. Moreover, these policies can be reversed, as the opposition parties have hinted at doing. Whether they will do so once in office is another question.

Majority opposed to Harper’s vision

In the end, despite close to a decade of Conservative iron-fist governance, Harper may have adopted a number of conservative policies, but Canadians are simply not buying it. Close to 65 per cent of Canadians still oppose this government and its vision.

This suggests that at our very core, we remain a progressive and small-l liberal country, and no matter what Harper does, he will not succeed in convincing a majority of Canadians of his vision for Canada. He has failed miserably at imposing conservatism as the “natural governing philosophy” of Canada. And that’s a good thing.

Like John Maynard Keynes once opined, conservatives “offer me neither food nor drink — intellectual nor spiritual consolation ... [Conservatism] leads nowhere; it satisfies no ideal; it conforms to no intellectual standard, it is not safe, or calculated to preserve from the spoilers that degree of civilization which we have already attained.”

Louis-Philippe Rochon is associate professor of economics at Laurentian University and co-editor with the Review of Keynesian Economics.

[Carmody]

Yeah, well, understanding the history of these a-holes, and that Harper is an illiterate yes-boy toady for the Alberta/NWO/Neocon/CIA/Texas/oil/fascist/'north-american-union' party, I have have to come down on the side of jack being 'cancered out' before he could become prime minster of Canada. I have to take that as a first premise and look for some chance of it not being true.

We have an entire attempt at a single global order, run out of those quarters and jack's potential to seriously mess with that on one side,and then view the odds of jack getting cancer by chance, in that environment. especially with that crew's history of dealing with opposition and potential opposition. When it is added up, the stack is so high that random chances of rolling the dice and cancer appearing out of the blue, especially at such a critical time, well... sorry. The chance goes from random (when all the background facts are put in place) to asymptotically meeting a point of zero chance..all due to their excessively repeated history of deep internal direct and hidden interference.

The public and even some of the people who are taken down, don't look close enough and don't consider the depth or breadth of the situation, which is what allows 'the bad guys' to repeatedly take the same chances, in their acts of direct (hidden) interference.

Canada is being sold out by Americanized politicians. This has been going on for quite some time, but the pace is accelerating.

[Tangri]

As much as I dislike him and his policies, I certainly don't think Justine Trudeau would be any better. I think the best thing for Canada is to have another minority government. That way it will be very difficult for them to push a bunch of stupid laws through without risking getting tossed out on their ear (whomever may be in charge).

Unfortunately none of the one who are running would be allowed to run if they hadn't already been vetted by the boys in charge. Look what happened to Jack Layton- came down with a aggressive form of cancer. I can't help wondering if it was because they knew he would have won.

Oh! my my! Cancer is cancer! The prognosis for some people with the disease is better than others. But people don’t know what it’s like to live with it until they do. All that cancer patients have is hope. And that hope fades a little every time a cancer patient hears about someone dying with the same strain of the disease they have.

Jack Layton understood that.

Dear Gaia,

Yes Cancer is cancer. But you should now this fact that every body(every cell) has a cancer potential, most of them not get triggered and stay silence until the major organs failure. Current genetic technology can allow to look particular person's DNA map and design various interventions(regular folks have no idea on that) if they enough will, power and necessity to invest on that issue.
If you did follow the former Toronto major's withdrew from the mayoral race you would get the clues.

I think blaming conservatives is a deception of perception. Liberals, New democrats are feeding and scaring from same sources, they have to serve to the same sources.

Election System seems democratic but it is a illusion. Choosing one, from given options is not a chose, it is a random selection.(it is not a free will)

Most people do not see dynasty system in democracy.(pls see Kennedy, Bush ,Trudeau Families)

[Flash]

I also thought Jack had been cancered out, but did not tell many people what I thought because i would definitely have been named a coucou's head. Yet, this is what it is.

Harper is the loony head governed by his very near assistants, those working in the parliament could name THE ONE handling Harper. It is THAT obvious over there.

[Gaia]

The citizens of this country should demand! Harper resign! Then charge him! If found guilty on only 1/16 of the things he has done wrong to this country he will spend more than enough time behind bars,, Where crooks and thieves like him deserve to be!

[Tangri]

Even though, it is unlikely to be happened with this judicial system, I second your wish.
At least my motto(signature) force me to do this. But do not hope it's answer is Junior Trudeau for salvation.;)

[Carmody]

The reason it does not work, is that people are nice. And, for the most part, psychologically blank. And empty, regarding how many times they have been, to their internal knowledge, burned badly and learned a few things. The political ground and motions are purposely not clear, which allows people to inject, to project their own behavioral aspects upon other people. the majority of people are nice, and inject niceness into the components of what they don't know. They give the benefit of the doubt.

They start the process of analysis of politics with innocence and since the cloud of confusion is so great, they never make it to the next step. They identify with their level of intelligence, and so they never look deep enough.

Politics in the west, is about the sham of democracy, the illusion of democracy. In that case, the deal is to make SURE there is only two choices, and to control both. Jack was a solid outsider, with an entire party of strangers that were, for the most part, not under the thumb of controllers. it is so bad in the USA that some states have -or are on the verge of- making a third candidate and third party....illegal.

I've been thinking of putting a very simple message on my car, as a bumper sticker. one that provokes thought, in all quarters, and in the correct direction. It creates the necessary mindset in people, for clear analysis.

and it is:

"FASCISM CREEPS"

[Gaia]

I also thought Jack had been cancered out, but did not tell many people what I thought because i would definitely have been named a coucou's head. Yet, this is what it is.

Harper is the loony head governed by his very near assistants, those working in the parliament could name THE ONE handling Harper. It is THAT obvious over there.

I do believe Jack Layton was a true Canadian and cared about this country and all of us within it... One of the things Layton was steadfast about (As much as politicians ever are?) was that he wanted Canadian soldiers to come home from Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Olivia Chow] won’t reveal the nature of [Jack Layton’s] final illness: “Jack’s wish is that we don’t talk precisely about what kind because we want to give other cancer patients the kind of hope they deserve and should have. If we talk about this kind of cancer, or that, then if you have that particular kind, you would be really worried…”

[Fellow Aspirant]

Stephen Harper, who personally believes that the earth is six thousand years old and that humans and dinosaurs walked the planet together, has seen to it that the Canadian "New Harper Government" (as all federal employees were required to say when they answered a government phone - or face dismissal) has waged war on science research.He is one of those control freaks who insists on keeping the truth from the light of day, in order to deprive critics any factual ammunition. Just look, for example, at what he did to the Canada Census Bureau, gutting it over the last five years.

As for federally operated science programs, they have been so defunded and muzzled that scientific organizations OUTSIDE the country have protested:

Marlene Leung, CTVNews.ca
Published Tuesday, October 21, 2014 9:28AM EDT
Last Updated Tuesday, October 21, 2014 3:13PM EDT

More than 800 scientists from outside of Canada have signed an open letter to Prime Minister Stephen Harper calling for an end to funding cuts to the country's science programs.

The letter, which was released Tuesday by the U.S.-based Union of Concerned Scientists and the Professional Institute of the Public Service of Canada (PIPSC), also calls on the government to remove barriers so that government scientists are able to freely collaborate internationally to help fight major environmental and health threats.

"Meeting today's complex environmental and public health challenges requires the full participation of scientists around the globe," the letter reads. "But recent reports highlight a rapid decline in freedoms and funding extended to Canadian government scientists, which make it more difficult for them to continue research, communicate scientific information and expertise, and collaborate internationally."
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Open letter to Prime Minister Stephen Harper

The letter makes reference to a New York Times editorial published in 2013, which described the alleged communications restrictions put on Canadian government scientists as an "attempt to guarantee public ignorance" on the environmental impact of Alberta's oil sands.

The scientists who signed the letter come from research institutes and universities from 32 different countries. They include researchers from Harvard Medical School, Google and the Max Planck Institute in Germany.

The letter was brought up Tuesday afternoon in the House of Commons during daily question period.

“The government can no longer deny that by cutting science budgets and muzzling Canadian scientists, they are damaging Canada’s international reputation,” said New Democrat MP Lauren Liu. “Will the government finally wake up and stop treating scientists like enemies?”


This man is directly responsible for events that are hugely damaging to our planet - on a continuing basis. He has to go!

Namaste,

Brian

[Carmody]

The thing about Harper, as someone's toady, is that he will fire every single scientist that tries to protest his decisions on the government's science. if all of them protest at once, he will fire the lot if them.

I am of the strong opinion, that his marching orders, FROM DAY ONE, were to gut the Canadian government as much as possible, in order to prepare it for a US-Canada-mexico 'north American union'. To commit to this gutting... under the guise of being the conservative champion of family values, religion, etc. To break the country apart under the guise of doing the opposite.

The typical kind of two faced neo-fascism that is tearing the modern western world apart, but to put a hurry on it, for the black/dark parts of the USA system that are seeming to be the driver of his "conservative" machine. he turned Canada's reputation from sterling to garbage in less than 10 years.

IMO and IME, it has nothing to do with conservative bible thumping, 'family values' or whatnot, or saving money for Canadians, it has to do with cutting and gutting Canada so it is ripe for US corporate fascist takeover. After all, that crew has been after and on point, working toward the idea of taking over Canada -- for near centuries now.


The manning party of Alberta and the west, when the recoil from chin-boy, Mulrooney was so great (from his gutting of Canada)....that the Canadian conservative party was ripped to tiny pieces....that this insanity of neo-conservatism rose from the ashes out of the manning west/oil support... like a fascist again riding a beaten horse as it tries to rise. The public has no idea what they voted for as they want to believe the lies as it fits their desires.

The Trojan that came in, in disguise as Harper.... well. Canadians are now finding out what that means --but even then, true words are never spoken by any of those people, so the public never gets to know.

Anyway, I'll stop. One can see why I never talk politics, as it gets me into trouble, fast. I'm not speaking angrily when I speak about the above (as the data is horrific enough), I'm speaking plainly about observation and the patterns found in modern systems and their history. I've got the gall to say the above, right at the given politicians dinner table, in front of everyone present. And I'll come round to the punch lines so sublimely that I'll be able to get it out before I'm stopped... and make the burn last a long long time.

[Fellow Aspirant]

Well said, Carmody. I especially like your reminder of how Harper & his gang have adopted the attitude and the use of the "dark arts" from south of the border:any and all tactics are fair because they see themselves in a war against an evil foe. They are literally counselled to "hate" the opposition and all that it stands for (as testified by a Harper agent involved in the "Robocall" scandal - in which voters were phoned on the day of the election and lied to about how their polling station had been moved) so that there is no incentive to "negotiate" with other elected representatives who oppose their plans. Such blind ideology generates a lack of respect for the whole system of government.

These thugs have to go!

Brian

[Earth Angel]

Unfortunately none of the one who are running would be allowed to run if they hadn't already been vetted by the boys in charge. Look what happened to Jack Layton- came down with a aggressive form of cancer. I can't help wondering if it was because they knew he would have won.

I absolutely agree with you on Jack Layton...his sudden turn in his cancer was suspicious and he would have made a great change for Canada. I find just looking at Harper, his eyes are soulless. An evil looking man.

[Herbert]

If, just for a moment, we take the ITCCS movement seriously in their desire to create the Republic of Kanata to replace the Dominion of Canada and to arrest Harper for crimes involving cover-up of child deaths from the aboriginal communities: Even though it would be wonderful if the common law courts could break up the child trafficking rings in Vancouver and hold those in high places accountable for the worst kind of crimes, there is a big problem in that the ITCCS seems to be leveraging the child rings in order to make Canada part of the U.S.

- Does the ITCCS have the same people behind it as are behind Harper?
- Why does Canada have to change it's name and become a republic in order for common law to work?
- Why is the seal for this new republic an Eagle?
- Why is the proposed date for initiation July 3 which could conveniently suddenly become July 4?
- Why are the Prairies now called the Plains in this ITCCS proposal?
- Why are Canadians being referred to as Republicans and we are electing a Congress and a President?
- I'd ask if this is just another way for the U.S. to gain access to our natural resources in the Arctic but Harper has already given those away
- I never thought I'd be saying this, but I wish Trudeau were still here telling the U.S. to bug off with their wars and threats. Young Trudeau will never be that man.

You can read the details of the ITCCS proposal here.
http://itccs.org/

[Orion142]

Harper is a Cabal puppet and has some very bad friends indeed!!.......www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2478512/pg1

[Orion142]

Ctapnewswire.com/2014/11/canadian-west-coast-child. Canada is a very unsafe place for children for sure!!!.........

[onawah]

Those are very good questions, and I hope that Alfred Webre will continue to look at these same issues having to do with the legitimacy of ITCCS.
More and more people will be questioning Annet's sincerity now, and I for one think that's a very good thing.

If, just for a moment, we take the ITCCS movement seriously in their desire to create the Republic of Kanata to replace the Dominion of Canada and to arrest Harper for crimes involving cover-up of child deaths from the aboriginal communities: Even though it would be wonderful if the common law courts could break up the child trafficking rings in Vancouver and hold those in high places accountable for the worst kind of crimes, there is a big problem in that the ITCCS seems to be leveraging the child rings in order to make Canada part of the U.S.

- Does the ITCCS have the same people behind it as are behind Harper?
- Why does Canada have to change it's name and become a republic in order for common law to work?
- Why is the seal for this new republic an Eagle?
- Why is the proposed date for initiation July 3 which could conveniently suddenly become July 4?
- Why are the Prairies now called the Plains in this ITCCS proposal?
- Why are Canadians being referred to as Republicans and we are electing a Congress and a President?
- I'd ask if this is just another way for the U.S. to gain access to our natural resources in the Arctic but Harper has already given those away
- I never thought I'd be saying this, but I wish Trudeau were still here telling the U.S. to bug off with their wars and threats. Young Trudeau will never be that man.

You can read the details of the ITCCS proposal here.
http://itccs.org/

[Deega]

In 2006 - 2008, I was part of a National Committee with Environment Canada (EC) for Mine Tailing in Canadian Lakes.

In one meeting with the Iron Ore Co (IOC), the company wanted to continue Mine Tailing in one of the Lake they were using, and they had to have a Certificat Agreement from EC. At the meeting, many of the IOC High End Administration Officers were there and representatives from EC that I represented. At one point in the meeting I questioned the reason why IOC were still Tailing in Labrador Area, and IOC Officers were somewhat insulted that I was questioning their motives. The IOC Officers were quick to explained the Economic impact they were having in Labrador Area, and that they have been doing Tailing since the inception of IOC way back.

The EC Bureaucrate Presiding the meeting, representing the Executive Branch, gave the impression that he had his hands tied-in (Harper Government) on the matter.

You can see below two different photos of IOC, in Labrador Area, the Luce Lake and Wabush Lake have been Mine Tailing for years, it is visible in the photo.

The other photo shows the Wabush Mine, see the Mine Tailing in that Lake, unbelievable!, not many people were aware at the time that this was going on! And still, IOC must of simmer down their Lake Tailing, hopefully, but I don't have a way to check, Environment Canada do know, but are they allowed to disclose this information?

Unfortunaley, Lakes Tailing by Mining Co, has been a going on for years in Canada, unfortunately, with Harper, it ain't getting better!

Here is IOC link (http://www.ironore.ca/en/our-wabush-3-project_335/). The IOC Web Site shows the two photos included, they may be a bit bigger though.

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Here is one IOC Photo (Skyview) were you see deliberatly Mine Tailing in "Luce Lake".

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[wnlight]

Hmmm, Looks like Canada has extremists too! Good for you!

[Milneman]

Well this is certainly an upbeat thread with a positive message and plenty of good energy about it!

I think I'd like to participate by not participating in the light it began by saying this:

In order for a democracy to function correctly, the individuals who participate as voters have to accept the responsibility of voting for the individual in their riding who will do the best job for that riding regardless of the political party they belong to.

So to find that out what you have to do is get their platform, get their personal work history, get their voting history in the house of commons if they're a standing MP, and don't be afraid to call the offices of the candidates and ask the people in those offices direct questions about issues you care about. Take notes. Really consider the stands the candidates are taking. If you're voting from an emotional footing you're not participating fully in a democracy, you're actually part of the problem.

I consider myself a conservative in politics: but the fact remains that Ralph Goodale is the best person to represent this riding, and he's a liberal. So I vote for him not because I'm a liberal (I'm not), but because he's the best person to do the job.

Quite frankly if you're voting for someone for any other reason? You should consider removing your head from your rectum and studying the mistakes of democracies in the past that did this that in turn became non-democracies. The very idea that an entire province elected a majority of NDP mp's purely for the possibility of removing one party from office demonstrates to me the sickness of our democracy. Think for yourself!

Let me write that out again so it sinks in.

Think.

For.

Yourself.

Not for a political party, or the cutest candidate, or the one that makes you feel good. Think for your riding, your issues. Or don't.


Of course, I could just be a crazy frozen bear waiting for my honey to thaw out.

[Gaia]

In fact, judging Harper attitude toward Quebec political approach, decisions, laws, one may be inclined to think that Harper has a personal problem with Quebec and that perhaps he did not like. In fact, he rarely accepts a political position that corresponds to the wishes of Quebec. Among other things, he destroyed the Canadian gun registry which was very largely demanded by Quebecers following the Polytechnique massacre. He committed Canada to the war in Afghanistan despite opposition from Quebec. He cut unfairly in the budgets of arts and culture so dear to Quebec French culture. He modified the transfers to the health system, damning the Quebec budget. He cut in half the budget of women eliminating research and women's rights, despite numerous Quebec oppositions. He set aside the Kelowna Accord to improve, among others, the lives of Quebec Native despite the pressures of these and the Quebec government. It promoted a ruthless and repressive justice to the GW Bush who goes against the criminal approach to Quebec. He denied Canada's signature on the Kyoto agreement, despite the almost unanimous support of Quebecers to this agreement. In the Palestinian conflict, it is 100% with Israel while Quebecers are separate things. Harper lost, because of the above, the seat on the UN Security Council for Canada , to the regret of Quebecers. It promotes crude oil from tar sands, despite the fierce opposition of Quebecers. During the recent PQ power in Quebec, Harper did everything to not help this PQ government which, for him, was an enemy of Canada, even if Quebecers had elected. And it continues... in fact, I could blacken any page of similar examples.

The opportunity for Harper to win the next election remains in its ability to add victories in Quebec. Nothing is in this sense, because again, it will have to keep the ones he already has. Could it be that he can get a new mandate taking advantage of the weakness of the two main opposition parties ?

[Gaia]

Well this is certainly an upbeat thread with a positive message and plenty of good energy about it!

I think I'd like to participate by not participating in the light it began by saying this:

In order for a democracy to function correctly, the individuals who participate as voters have to accept the responsibility of voting for the individual in their riding who will do the best job for that riding regardless of the political party they belong to.

So to find that out what you have to do is get their platform, get their personal work history, get their voting history in the house of commons if they're a standing MP, and don't be afraid to call the offices of the candidates and ask the people in those offices direct questions about issues you care about. Take notes. Really consider the stands the candidates are taking. If you're voting from an emotional footing you're not participating fully in a democracy, you're actually part of the problem.

I consider myself a conservative in politics: but the fact remains that Ralph Goodale is the best person to represent this riding, and he's a liberal. So I vote for him not because I'm a liberal (I'm not), but because he's the best person to do the job.

Quite frankly if you're voting for someone for any other reason? You should consider removing your head from your rectum and studying the mistakes of democracies in the past that did this that in turn became non-democracies. The very idea that an entire province elected a majority of NDP mp's purely for the possibility of removing one party from office demonstrates to me the sickness of our democracy. Think for yourself!

Let me write that out again so it sinks in.

Think.

For.

Yourself.

Not for a political party, or the cutest candidate, or the one that makes you feel good. Think for your riding, your issues. Or don't.


Of course, I could just be a crazy frozen bear waiting for my honey to thaw out.

Ralph Goodale? Leadership is not a one-man show... to govern well and the commitment to represent all Canadians authentically.

[Milneman]

So Gaia, you've made your point over and over.

Two points:

1. How is this constructive and providing tangible solutions? So far all you're doing is saying Harper is evil. Ok, I get that. So what? Come to think of it, how is this thread anything but a bash Harper thread, ergo how is it constructive or positive in any way shape or form?

2. How is creating negativity like this any different that perpetuating negativity that already exists? What I'm suggesting is that by complaining, all you're doing is passing down the line someone else's negativity...in a way all you're doing is vomiting into the thread and hoping other people will pick up on it, complain about it with you, or disagree so you can puke some more.

Again, I ask you, How is this constructive in any way, shape, or form?

I thought Quebecers, especially thoughtful and very attractive as well as professional Quebecers were well known for their problem solving skills and personal ability to live through anything (including and especially winters!) And yes, part of my comments about Quebecers is directly linked to Flash. That was a fuzzy poke at Flash.

Now that we clearly have the problem as defined by you, how about some amazing, thoughtful, unbiased solutions?

Or not....

tiddly pom. ;)

Je me souviens. Just sayin.

[Gaia]

So Gaia, you've made your point over and over.

Two points:

1. How is this constructive and providing tangible solutions? So far all you're doing is saying Harper is evil. Ok, I get that. So what? Come to think of it, how is this thread anything but a bash Harper thread, ergo how is it constructive or positive in any way shape or form?

2. How is creating negativity like this any different that perpetuating negativity that already exists? What I'm suggesting is that by complaining, all you're doing is passing down the line someone else's negativity...in a way all you're doing is vomiting into the thread and hoping other people will pick up on it, complain about it with you, or disagree so you can puke some more.

Again, I ask you, How is this constructive in any way, shape, or form?

I thought Quebecers, especially thoughtful and very attractive as well as professional Quebecers were well known for their problem solving skills and personal ability to live through anything (including and especially winters!) And yes, part of my comments about Quebecers is directly linked to Flash. That was a fuzzy poke at Flash.

Now that we clearly have the problem as defined by you, how about some amazing, thoughtful, unbiased solutions?

Or not....

tiddly pom. ;)

Je me souviens. Just sayin.

There's a very big line between constructive criticism and toxicity and people need to learn how to handle them both. I ask you, How is this constructive in any way, shape, or form? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying toxicity doesn't exist, but what I am trying to convey to everyone is that discerning the difference between negativity/toxicity and constructive criticism is something everyone should get accustomed to doing.

Je ne l'écrirai pas en Français car cette phrase et son contenu se mérite uniquement à ceux qui comprennent la francité du Québec: De l'Alberta l'ami?

I remember!That born under the lily! I grow under the rose....

[Milneman]

Saskatchewan. ;) I'm in Goodale Country.

[Gaia]

Saskatchewan. ;) I'm in Goodale Country.

Choose your battles wisely!

These people are almost a ticking time bomb. They are very difficult to frame. But that does not matter when we know who you are.... Go to another subject that it does not suit you...

[Cardillac]

@Fellow Aspirant

"Stephen Harper, who personally believes that...humans and dinosaurs walked the planet together": in this respect he is completely right; the archeological evidence (countless sources) is out there; this is fact-

Larry

[Carmody]

deleted.

But the point remains.

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Anyone else getting the distinct impression this thread has headed so far south that we can now start playing the banjoes? :)

No, but in my experience... the only time I see that keep calm stuff is when I'm looking at sign from an insider.

[Hervé]

I deleted irrelevant posts from Milneman which didn't help the thread from recovering from his own torpedoes as well as the corresponding replies from Gaia.

Keep it civil, please.

[noxon medem]

Saskatchewan. ;) I'm in Goodale Country.

Ha ha, thank you for that one, Milneman.
- On a general note irony is hard to relay
on internet, forums, and communication
with at least a myriads of possibilities.
Maybe this
:jester:
( jester )
can be a usefull sign how to read
certain personal posts ...

Be(have) well
;- )

[Hervé]

Per OP request, I am closing this thread.