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Maia Gabrial
22nd January 2015, 16:54
As much as I dislike this man, that hand sign is NOT a satanic gesture! Since I studied American Sign Language, I know this is sign for "I LOVE YOU"....

This article came from Godlike Productions


Breaking: Pope Francis devil sign causes commotion in Catholic Church
Pope Francis, during his recent love-filled tour of the Phillippines, raised his hand in a salute and prompted some Internet tongue-wagging.

Standing next to Luis Antonio Cardinal Tagle in Manila, the Pope raised his index and pinkie fingers, keeping his third and fourth fingers down and his thumb extended.

The cardinal did the same.

All of which prompted the Los Angeles Times to post on its music blog that the pontiff might have been making the sign of the horns, a heavy metal staple among concert fans, or perhaps a centuries-old devil sign.

[link to www.nydailynews.com]

I think it would have been satanic had the thumb had been over those 2 fingers forming devil horns....

Robin
22nd January 2015, 17:28
As much as I dislike this man, that hand sign is NOT a satanic gesture! Since I studied American Sign Language, I know this is sign for "I LOVE YOU"....


I understand why you would say this, and it is in alignment with those who do not see any significance in the fact that live=evil backwards. I do not necessarily believe in the concept of evil, but what this simply means is that their Satanic method and way-of-being is to flip ideologies upside down and to worship the ego. The inverted pentagram is actually a positive symbol that simple means "embracing the physical reality and descending down from spirit," but this symbol was twisted by the church of Satan to create their Baphomet symbol.

All that I have to say to both of these notions is that the Satanic bloodlines have been around for a long, long time. They were around when languages diverged thousands of years ago, and they consciously twisted words of languages with certain ideas in mind. They were around before sign language was created, and they plan things meticulously and cunningly far in advance.

They have successfully gotten people to subconsciously associate the sign language sign of "I love you" with a Satanic symbol that means ego above spirit. This is how they work. They have also successfully gotten people to associate the word "Anarchy" with "chaos." Anarchy etymologically means "without rulers or masters" but does not mean "without rules." They have successfully socially engineered into people's brains that freedom=chaos. Think about that for a second.

I'm sorry Maia, but I wouldn't say this if I didn't know how the Satanic mindset works and their intentions. They are clever, and their influence is embedded in every facet of our culture whether we believe it or not.

MorningFox
22nd January 2015, 17:41
Could you please post a working link to the mentioned article? The one in the original post is broken.

Thanks :)

Limor Wolf
22nd January 2015, 18:07
Originally posted by Robin Galdek: "They have also successfully gotten people to associate the word "Anarchy" with "chaos." Anarchy etymologically means "without rulers or masters" but does not mean "without rules." They have successfully socially engineered into people's brains that freedom=chaos"

Sounds like an accurate point, Robin, same was done with the symbol of Swastika, where in various ancient civilizations it had the meaning of 'wealth, prosperity and auspiciousness', and then in modern time it was addopted by the Nazi party in Germany of the 1920, and was related to concepts such as 'hatred, violence, death, and murder'.

Carmody
22nd January 2015, 18:26
that's the whole idea.

Corrupt the native pathways to truth and internal/external freedom, etc.

Energetically, dimensionally, they are spoofers, danglerlfish (anglerfish) (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Representatives_of_ceratioid_families.jpg), and so on. they fake real things.

The very nature of a parasite.

Look around you. How much of this messed up public world....is parasitical fakery?

Almost everything you see, is of that nature.

Can't even buy cereal without it being a faked box of sugar coated floor scrapings, wholly toxic, w/chemicals to suit, designed to kill. For money.

https://uploads-riptapparel-com.s3.amazonaws.com/designs/6710/sugar-bombs-detail_72108.jpg

(Carmody is munch-a-wunching some right now)

I rest my case.

Limor Wolf
22nd January 2015, 18:36
that's the whole idea.

Corrupt the native pathways to truth and internal/external freedom, etc.

And no stone left unturned, done in every possible way - Thoughts, symbols, language(syntax), legal laws, media, psychology, you name it.

Shezbeth
22nd January 2015, 18:40
I'm sorry Maia, but I wouldn't say this if I didn't know how the Satanic mindset works and their intentions. They are clever, and their influence is embedded in every facet of our culture whether we believe it or not.

With all due respect, how do you know how the satanic mindset works? What credentials are you bringing to the discussion and/or how do you arrive at the degree of certainty from which you feel that your position is more learned? Moreover, how do you achieve such certainty having not investigated the broken link in the OP? Here is the correct link BTW.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/pope-francis-flashes-hand-sign-article-1.2086706

:rockon: <--- ZOMG, the sign of Satan!!! :der:

Ellisa
23rd January 2015, 00:19
The sign is also often used elsewhere than the US as a peace sign, and a sign of communality. In Australia in the surfing community it was used as the sign for happiness and love. I don't know if it still is. I was told it came from Polynesian culture (probably Hawaii since surfing was involved). The comparison to the swastika is an excellent one. In many parts of Asia (and especially India) the swastika is a positive sign, and appears everywhere. The same is true of a head nod, which we interpret as 'yes' but others read it as 'no', leading to misunderstandings. It is very impolite, even insulting, to show the soles of your shoes directly to another person in some countries, and this can be done quite by accident. And 'thumbs up' has as many contrary meanings as this closed fist gesture we are discussing!

I think such gestures are very culture specific, and often we offend and disgust others by our use of gestures which have a totally different meaning in another setting.

markoid
23rd January 2015, 02:49
The sign is also often used elsewhere than the US as a peace sign, and a sign of communality. In Australia in the surfing community it was used as the sign for happiness and love. I don't know if it still is. I was told it came from Polynesian culture (probably Hawaii since surfing was involved).

The sign you speak of is not quite the same (google 'Shaka sign'). Uses only the thumb and little finger.

Fellow Aspirant
23rd January 2015, 05:02
This hand sign has, indeed, been around for a very long time, and sure enough has been used to show allegiance with Satan. But as with all things with ancient roots, it's all in the context. There is much to know; making blanket statements about the meanings of signs is ill advised. I'm reminded of the story of the eight blind men who encountered an elephant for the first time. Reaching out to touch it, they felt parts that reminded them variously of snakes (trunk), trees (a leg), ropes (the tail) buildings (side) and so on. Each of them was sure that they understood what an elephant was, but of course their exposure to the animal was very limited, and all were left in a state of ignorance. Signs and symbols are even more susceptible to misinterpretation. Such things are fraught with confusion and error.

Please go to the Wikipedia page via the link to see the pictures that accompany this article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_of_the_horns

The sign of the horns is a hand gesture with a variety of meanings and uses in various cultures. It is formed by extending the index and little fingers while holding the middle and ring fingers down with the thumb.

Contents

1 Spiritual meaning
2 Offensive gesture
3 European and North American popular culture
3.1 Contemporary use by musicians and fans
3.2 Heavy metal culture
3.3 Neopaganism
3.4 Electronic communication
3.5 Sports culture
4 See also
5 References
6 External links

Spiritual meaning
Satan displaying the Sign of the horns in Kitab al-Bulhan (A late 14th-century Arabic manuscript)

Its earliest use can be seen in India, as a gesture very commonly used by Gautama Buddha as Karana Mudra which is synonymous with expulsion of demons and removal of obstacles like sickness or negative thoughts.

The same usage can be seen in Italy and Mediterranean culture as well where, when confronted with unfortunate events, or simply when these events are mentioned, the sign of the horns may be given to ward off bad luck. It is also used traditionally to counter or ward off the "evil eye" (malocchio). With fingers down, it is a common apotropaic gesture, by which people seek protection in unlucky situations (It is a more Mediterranean equivalent of knocking on wood). Thus, for example, the President of the Italian Republic, Giovanni Leone, shocked the country when, while in Naples during an outbreak of cholera, he shook the hands of patients with one hand while with the other behind his back he made the corna. This act was well documented by the journalists and photographers who were right behind him, a fact that had escaped President Leone's mind in that moment. In Italy, one can also "touch iron" (tocca ferro) or touch one's nose. Males in Italy and some other countries may grab their testicles when confronted by bad luck; however, this is considered more vulgar.

In Peru one says contra (against). In the Dominican Republic the expression is zafa, said against curses known as fuk. All of these gestures are meant to conjure supernatural protection.
Offensive gesture

In many Mediterranean and Latin countries, such as Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, Cuba, Greece, Italy, Portugal, Spain and Uruguay,[1][2][3][4] when directed towards someone and swiveled back and forth, the sign implies cuckoldry; the common words for cuckolded in Italian, Greek and Spanish are cornuto, κερατάς (keratas) and cornudo respectively, literally "horned".[5]

During a European Union meeting in February 2002, former Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi was photographed performing this gesture[6] behind the back of the Spanish foreign minister. When questioned about the incident, he replied "I was only joking." (Putting the horns on someone's head in a photo is an evergreen of Italian childish humor.)[7]

European and North American popular culture
Contemporary use by musicians and fans

The 1969 back album cover for Witchcraft Destroys Minds & Reaps Souls on Mercury Records by Chicago-based psychedelic-occult rock band Coven, led by singer Jinx Dawson, pictured Coven band members giving the "sign of the horns" correctly and included a Black Mass poster showing members at a ritual making the sign. Starting in early 1968, Coven concerts always began and ended with Jinx giving the sign on stage.

On the cover of The Beatles' Yellow Submarine album (1969), the cartoon of John Lennon's right hand is making the sign above Paul McCartney's head. Some fans interpreted this as one of the many supposed "Paul is dead" clues. Some may think it is possible that the cartoonist misrepresented the sign for "I love you", which is very similar and more in keeping with the band's public message and image. However, the 1969 cartoon is based on many photos of John Lennon making the hand sign in 1967. One of these photos of Lennon doing the hand sign appears on the cover of a Beatles single release shortly after, making it the first time the hand sign appears on a rock release.

Beginning in the early 1970s, the horns were known as the "P-Funk sign" to fans of Parliament-Funkadelic. It was used by George Clinton and Bootsy Collins as the password to the Mothership,[8] a central element in Parliament's science-fiction mythology, and fans used it in return to show their enthusiasm for the band. Collins is depicted showing the P-Funk sign on the cover of his 1977 album Ahh... The Name Is Bootsy, Baby! Frank Zappa can be seen jokingly making the gesture in the 1979 film Baby Snakes in response to the audience, commenting, "That's right, spindle twice."

In 1977 a painting of Gene Simmons of the band KISS, exhibits the sign on the cover of Love Gun, the band's sixth studio album. Simmons is the person who exhibited the sign and still does it on or off stage.

Marlon Brando makes the sign whilst singing "Luck Be a Lady" in the 1955 film Guys and Dolls, seeming to indicate it was a sign for snake eyes in the craps game he is playing for the gamblers' souls.
Heavy metal culture
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Vocalist Ronnie James Dio making the sign at a Heaven and Hell concert in 2007. The gesture is quite common within heavy metal culture.

Ronnie James Dio was known for popularizing the sign of the horns in heavy metal.[8][9] He claimed his Italian grandmother used it to ward off the evil eye (which is known in Southern Italy as malocchio). Dio began using the sign soon after joining the metal band Black Sabbath in 1979. The previous singer in the band, Ozzy Osbourne, was rather well known at using the "peace" sign at concerts, raising the index and middle finger in the form of a V. Dio, in an attempt to connect with the fans, wanted to similarly use a hand gesture. However, not wanting to copy Osbourne, he chose to use the sign his grandmother always made.[10] The horns became famous in metal concerts very soon after Black Sabbath's first tour with Dio. The sign would later be appropriated by heavy metal fans under the name "maloik", a corruption of the original malocchio.

Terry "Geezer" Butler of Black Sabbath can be seen "raising the horns" in a photograph taken in 1971. The photograph is included in the CD booklet of the Symptom of the Universe: The Original Black Sabbath 19701978 compilation album. This would indicate that there had been some association between the "horns" and heavy metal before Dio's popularization of it.

From a 2001 interview with Ronnie James Dio on Metal-Rules.com:

Metal-Rules.com "I want to ask you about something people have asked you about before but will no doubt continue to talk about, and that is the sign created by raising your index and little finger. Some call it the "evil eye." I would like to know if you were the first one to introduce this to the metal world and what this symbol represents to you?"

R.J. Dio "I doubt very much if I would be the first one who ever did that. That's like saying I invented the wheel, I'm sure someone did that at some other point. I think you'd have to say that I made it fashionable. I used it so much and all the time and it had become my trademark until the Britney Spears audience decided to do it as well. So it kind of lost its meaning with that. But it was.... I was in Sabbath at the time. It was a symbol that I thought was reflective of what that band was supposed to be all about. It's NOT the devil's sign like we're here with the devil. It's an Italian thing I got from my Grandmother called the "Malocchio". It's to ward off the Evil Eye or to give the Evil Eye, depending on which way you do it. It's just a symbol but it had magical incantations and attitudes to it and I felt it worked very well with Sabbath. So I became very noted for it and then everybody else started to pick up on it and away it went. But I would never say I take credit for being the first to do it. I say because I did it so much that it became the symbol of rock and roll of some kind."[11]

Neopaganism

The sign of the horns is used to represented the Horned God of Wicca.
Electronic communication

In electronic communication, the sign of the horns is represented with the \m/ or |m| emoticon and sometimes \,,/ and /,,/.

Sports culture

A fan displays the Hook 'em Horns during a Texas football game versus Arkansas.

Hook 'em Horns is the slogan and hand signal of the University of Texas at Austin. Students and alumni of the university employ a greeting consisting of the phrase "Hook 'em" or "Hook 'em Horns" and also use the phrase as a parting good-bye or as the closing line in a letter or story. The gesture is meant to approximate the shape of the head and horns of the UT mascot, the Texas Longhorn Bevo.

Fans of the University of South Florida Bulls use the same hand sign at their athletic events, except that the hand is turned around and facing the other way. With the middle and ring finger extending towards the person presenting the "Go Bulls" sign.

Fans of North Dakota State University Bison athletics also use a similar hand gesture, known as "Go Bison!" The pinky and index fingers are usually slightly bent, however, to mimic the shape of a bison's horns.

Fans of North Carolina State University Wolfpack athletics use a similar gesture with the middle and ring fingers moving up and down over the thumb to mimic a wolf's jaw

Fans of University of California, Irvine Anteaters use a similar sign with the middle and ring fingers out to resemble the head of the mighty anteater.

Fans of University of Nevada, Reno Wolf Pack athletics use a similar sign with the middle and ring fingers out to resemble the wolf's snout.

Fans of University of Utah athletics, particularly football and gymnastics, use a gesture where the index and pinky finger are straight and parallel to each other, forming a block "U."[12]

Fans of Northwestern State University Demon athletics also use a similar hand gesture, known as "Fork 'em!" The pinky and index fingers are extended but a little more parallel to each other resembling the horns on a demon.

Arizona State University Sun Devil fans make a pitchfork sign by extending the index and middle fingers, as well as the pinky. The thumb holds down the ring finger to complete the gesture.

Fans of the Wichita State University Shockers frequently hold up their middle finger in addition to the pointer and pinky fingers as a reference to the comic sexual act.
See also

Hook 'em Horns, hand signal of the University of Texas
ILY sign is sometimes confused with this gesture because many users tend to do the "horns" improperly by extending their thumb.
Shaka sign

References

"Rude hand gestures of the world".
"International field guide to rude hand gestures".
"Hand Gestures in Different Cultures".
Rude Hand Gestures of the World: A Guide to Offending without Words By Romana Lefevre.
"Hand Gestures Part Two The Cuckold Gesture". Reading-Body-Language.co.uk.
http://2013hoaxblog.s3.amazonaws.com/berlusconi.jpg
Peretz, Evgenia (July 2011). "La Dolce Viagra". Vanity Fair.
Appleford, Steve (September 9, 2004). "Odyssey of the Devil Horns". Los Angeles City Beat. Archived from the original on November 22, 2007. "A friend arranges a meeting with Clinton. I hand him a photograph of Dio making the hand signal, and tell him this is the man (or one of them) credited with bringing it to rock. Clinton stares at the picture for a long, silent minute, breathing heavily. Another minute passes. He's never heard of Ronnie James Dio. It's the P-Funk sign, man."
"The Devil's Horns: A Rock And Roll Symbol". Ultimate-Guitar.com. September 7, 2005.
Ronnie James Dio interview in the 2005 documentary Metal: A Headbanger's Journey. In the interview he also ridicules Gene Simmons for taking credit for originating use of the sign in heavy metal, attributing the claim to Simmons' well-known egotism.
"Dio - Interviewed By EvilG". Metal-Rules.com. March 9, 2001.

"MUSS - Student Cheer Section for the U of U Utes - University of Utah Alumni Association | MUSS". Alumni.utah.edu. 2011-03-18. Retrieved 2012-08-13.

External links
Wikimedia Commons has media related to Horn gestures.

Rock and Roll Confidential on their logo
Haverty, Neil (2002-05-30). "Ronnie James Dio Re-Claims the Devil Horns". Chart. Retrieved 2009-09-27.
President George W. Bush, gestures the "Hook 'em, horns," the salute of the University of Texas Longhorns.(...)
Odyssey of the Devil Horns: Who is responsible for bringing metal's famous hand signal to the tribe? Los Angeles CityBeat, Sept. 9, 2004

Kryztian
23rd January 2015, 13:56
Perhaps its "Satanic" or "Luciferian" or "Masonic", or perhaps it's something else, but it is out there, a hand gesture that has to be made in public to get a message out there, hidden in plain sight.

http://www.lovethetruth.com/jis_images/bush_satan_sign.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6Y-NXZmDcxU/SRv26v51NFI/AAAAAAAABcs/Nrd_NSj0-M8/s400/Bush_sign+7.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qUFDMUpk9jE/SXV-Cv2Ds2I/AAAAAAAAO7g/H4gkYTaF-Dk/s400/satan_sign-sarah_palin.jpg

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/54BBC40B01BB4032B5CF4204E0.jpeg

http://www.whale.to/b/berlus10.jpg

http://rense.com/1.imagesH/8DC019275E954B29A6D041E6EA.jpeg

http://www.macquirelatory.com/Masonry/bill_clinton_el_diablo.jpg

http://www.macquirelatory.com/Masonry/obamafreemason2xz8.jpg

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2086705.1421861008!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/aptopix-philippines-pope-asia.jpg?enlarged

Maunagarjana
23rd January 2015, 14:24
Yes, Maia is right, with the thumb out, it means "I love you". It comes from sign language. See:

http://www.horniman.ac.uk/media/w650h650/WhatsThis_ILYsign_Wikimedia_Commons.jpg

Also, I wish people would stop posting these pictures of George W. Bush doing the "devil sign". I am certainly no fan of Bush, but he is clearly doing the hand sign associated with the University of Texas Longhorns sports teams. Bush used to be the governor of Texas and lived in the state capitol of Austin, where the University of Texas is. I grew up there partially, and every child around there knows that sign means the Longhorns, and when you do it you say, "Hook 'em horns!" So please, enough already.

http://www.buckleshop.com/images/2324e.jpg

http://a.fssta.com/content/dam/fsdigital/fscom/ncaa-fb/images/2014/10/09/100914-CFB-Texas-Longhorns-fans-celebrate-PI.vresize.1200.675.high.62.jpg

Also, many people need to recognize that some handsigns are actually Hindu and Buddhist mudras that are from an entirely different culture and have entirely different meanings not associated with western occult traditions, much less Satan.

For instance this is the Gyana Mudra:

http://weight-loss-weight-loss.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/gyan-mudra-blue1.jpg

And this is the Apana Mudra:

http://www.delampady.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Apana-Mudra1.jpeg

So please, use discernment.

Maia Gabrial
23rd January 2015, 22:33
Here are some more hand signs fyi:

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And now I NEUTRALIZE ANY NEGATIVE ENERGIES I MAY HAVE TRANSFERRED TO THIS FORUM WITH THESE IMAGES....

13th Warrior
23rd January 2015, 22:50
As much as I dislike this man, that hand sign is NOT a satanic gesture! Since I studied American Sign Language, I know this is sign for "I LOVE YOU"....


I understand why you would say this, and it is in alignment with those who do not see any significance in the fact that live=evil backwards. I do not necessarily believe in the concept of evil, but what this simply means is that their Satanic method and way-of-being is to flip ideologies upside down and to worship the ego. The inverted pentagram is actually a positive symbol that simple means "embracing the physical reality and descending down from spirit," but this symbol was twisted by the church of Satan to create their Baphomet symbol.

All that I have to say to both of these notions is that the Satanic bloodlines have been around for a long, long time. They were around when languages diverged thousands of years ago, and they consciously twisted words of languages with certain ideas in mind. They were around before sign language was created, and they plan things meticulously and cunningly far in advance.

They have successfully gotten people to subconsciously associate the sign language sign of "I love you" with a Satanic symbol that means ego above spirit. This is how they work. They have also successfully gotten people to associate the word "Anarchy" with "chaos." Anarchy etymologically means "without rulers or masters" but does not mean "without rules." They have successfully socially engineered into people's brains that freedom=chaos. Think about that for a second.

I'm sorry Maia, but I wouldn't say this if I didn't know how the Satanic mindset works and their intentions. They are clever, and their influence is embedded in every facet of our culture whether we believe it or not.

So that i may better understand what you've posted in the correct context; could you define who/what Satan is by definition of the Satanic Church?

I would also include some points of interest in this topic; to gain some perspective:

The Druids of old had a system of unspoken language(sign language) that made them extremely effective negotiators and the Romans feared this greatly.

I'll also add that the symbol of Baphomet (according to Manly P. Hall) was a construct of the Templar Knights.

TargeT
24th January 2015, 12:51
As much as I dislike this man, that hand sign is NOT a satanic gesture! Since I studied American Sign Language, I know this is sign for "I LOVE YOU"....
....

I think it would have been satanic had the thumb had been over those 2 fingers forming devil horns....


Yes, Maia is right, with the thumb out, it means "I love you". It comes from sign language. See:


Well...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/Kitab_al-Bulhan_--_devil.jpg/220px-Kitab_al-Bulhan_--_devil.jpg
Satan displaying the Sign of the horns in Kitab al-Bulhan (A late 14th-century Arabic manuscript)

Sure looks like his thumb is out to me ;)



Also: Sign language wasn't invented until 1620, so the "horns" sign predates it by around 100+ years.

Robin
24th January 2015, 15:57
With all due respect, how do you know how the satanic mindset works? What credentials are you bringing to the discussion and/or how do you arrive at the degree of certainty from which you feel that your position is more learned?




So that i may better understand what you've posted in the correct context; could you define who/what Satan is by definition of the Satanic Church?


I didn't want to go into detail why I have the knowledge, perspectives, and opinions on this matter due to a respect for certain people. This has been a topic I've researched quite extensively over the years. I personally know Satanists in the Church of Satan and those Satanists that go under the guise as Christians that mingle with the rest of humanity. I personally know people born in these Satanic bloodlines, and I know their mindset from personal experience. In fact, I still have regular communication with some.

Beyond the disinformation and misinformation they spill out to the masses, their personal agendas and ideologies have been well known to me for a while now. I will not say more than this, however.

To answer your question 13th Warrior, I'd suggest to you to check out The Satanic Bible (http://www.thesatanicbiblefree.com/files/Download/The%20Satanic%20Bible%20Ebook.pdf) written by Anton LaVey. I would only encourage you to read it for research purposes to "better know the enemy."

I must warn though that what they propagate in the Church of Satan and other Satanic offshoots is very different than what the people at the top of the pyramid worship. The Church of Satan advocates worshiping the ego, acknowledging superiority, and the divine right to rule with hereditary power. The people at the top of the pyramid keep the secrets of Satanism from the Satanists at the bottom of the pyramid. These are the people that you do not see, and you will not ever see.

Believe it or not, there is a spiritual side to Satanism, as the essence of an opposing force is embedded in the fabric of the universe to more or less guide souls to understand themselves better on their spiritual journey. The cosmic Satanic force can be viewed as the "random factor" that contains all the other elements of creation in it, so to speak, that keeps us on our toes so we don't get lazy on our journey back to oneness.

This powerful cosmic essence is important to creation, but it is heavily abused by some beings that are the radicalized, perverted upholders of this force. But isn't Christianity also...? The Satanic force is meant to be the combination of all other spiritual laws, but it also has the power to bind them and constrict them if abused by certain beings that choose to embrace it.

I already said more than I wanted to, and I will not argue the topic of hand signs and language. Satanism plagues every bit of our existence in more ways than the average person can see.

Shezbeth
24th January 2015, 19:53
Sam,

Not to be overly contentious, but I find your explanations lacking. You've essentially just said "Take my word for it", which is the antithesis of the clarification I requested and from which one could/would be credited with legitimate authority (i.e. all you've provided is an authoritarian assertion).

For one, your description of 'Satanist' relies on Abrahamic terminology, where a more accurate (though still lacking) reference would be 'Luciferian'. This is a particularly glaring inaccuracy given your assertion of 'extensive'.

I assert from my personal experience that at the highest levels 'they' don't 'worship'. The very act of worship is a submission, which is entirely antithetical to the strategies and pursuits of those 'of the throne' (so to speak). I am not sure this is the thread for such a discussion, but if it pleases the OP I would love to debate you on this. ^_~

turiya
25th January 2015, 04:51
Sam,

Not to be overly contentious, but I find your explanations lacking. You've essentially just said "Take my word for it", which is the antithesis of the clarification I requested and from which one could/would be credited with legitimate authority (i.e. all you've provided is an authoritarian assertion).

For one, your description of 'Satanist' relies on Abrahamic terminology, where a more accurate (though still lacking) reference would be 'Luciferian'. This is a particularly glaring inaccuracy given your assertion of 'extensive'.

I assert from my personal experience that at the highest levels 'they' don't 'worship'. The very act of worship is a submission, which is entirely antithetical to the strategies and pursuits of those 'of the throne' (so to speak). I am not sure this is the thread for such a discussion, but if it pleases the OP I would love to debate you on this. ^_~


https://s1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/1GHUwWceZ6gqTpHkpVQ22Q--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7aWw9cGxhbmU7cT03NTt3PTYwMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/844c1164963b66026b0f6a7067002da0.jpg
Pope Francis and Manila Archbishop Luis Antonio Tagle salute a crowd with the hand sign for I love you, at the Mall of Asia Arena in Manila on Friday.

This was the image that is referenced in the linked nytimes article along with the caption underlining that image which was provided by Maia Gabrial. But of course the is a MSM article is designed to play upon the masses.

To put it in more realistic terms....

It goes without saying that the Pope is a representative of the 'Roman Cult', or if you prefer, the Roman Catholic Church. And if you can look back in history and look at all of what misery that the Roman Catholic Church has caused humanity in this world, then if it doesn't give one pause to consider whether this 'I love you' sign is anything but for commercial public relations purposes, then I am sorry if one wants to continue living in deluded state of mind, there is nothing that can be done. Can one say 'hypocrisy'?

As was pointed out this is a New York Times article... I needn't have to remind anyone of the David Rockefeller quote (https://www.google.com/search?q=david+rockefeller+quote+%22new+york+times %22&biw=855&bih=575&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=9GXEVOKaBsGqgwTSrYSwDg&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg#imgdii=_&imgrc=M4qYhp1Qg3K0LM%253A%3BnxQII9xDqSvjXM%3Bhttp% 253A%252F%252Fi.ytimg.com%252Fvi%252FMZZklPnVs-Y%252Fmaxresdefault.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.y outube.com%252Fwatch%253Fv%253DMZZklPnVs-Y%3B1280%3B720) concerning the New York Times, Washington Post & Time Magazine...


http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/8435/images/maxresdefault.jpg

Turning to quote an individual that has spent more than 40 years examining the Roman Catholic Cult may, perhaps, help in clarifying where I would be coming from with this kind of response...

Jordan Maxwell:



I always keep in mind that anything that you hear on television, or in the newspapers, or magazines, in the media in America, whatever it is, its most likely a lie....

The media is just entertainment... "We don't want people to think", that's why we're given plenty of entertainment, and ballgames, and all kinds of computer games... just entertainment galore... we got all kinds of entertainment & distractions, so that people don't sit down, too long in one place & start thinking. "We don't want people even discussing such issues..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti_OQ__Uv8E#t=9m06s

The bible has Jesus saying, "By their fruits, you will know them." The idea is that if you don't know what a seed is, you just have a seed but you don't know what it is. The scriptural idea is to plant the seed & let it grow. And when it grows up, if its an apple tree, well then that tell you what the seed was. So, wait & see what it will produce & that will tell you what kind of seed it was. Well, look at the world today, especially in Europe & around the world...

What is the 'fruitage' of the seeds of Christianity today? ...Wars & bloodshed, corruption, drugs, gang wars, violence on the whole Earth... By their fruits, you shall know them.

Its really quite an extraordinary story when you start looking into the world of the occult. And the very word 'occult', and I would caution, simply means 'hidden'. It doesn't mean its bad, or evil, or of the devils. 'Occult' is a Latin word meaning 'hidden'. And so much of what is actually going on with factual history has been hidden. And that is one of the reasons why the world is in so much confusion, because there are two(2) realities that are operating at work right now on the Earth. It is the one that you see & you understand, the one that everyone lives by - that's one reality. But the actual reality of the world is far, far different. There is a whole hidden world of symbolism, words, terms & emblems - national coats of arms, flags... corporate logos... there's a whole underworld of darkness going on throughout the world. And, its basically the bottom on line on government, religion, commerce... all use these occult symbols & manipulate times & dates...

So, I am totally convinced from what I've been looking at theology for the last 45-50 years that there's a world of difference between the concepts & ideas of the original Christianity, from as far back as when it actually began, as opposed to what we have & what we're calling Christianity today. Christianity, today, has zero/nothing to do with the original concepts of Christianity as far back as to when it actually began, going back to the 1st, 2nd & 3rd century. And with the coming of the 4th century, when the Vatican - Rome was collapsing. The Roman Empire mutated into the Vatican, and from there we had the Teutonic Knights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teutonic_Knights), with the whole concept of the Teutonic Knighthood (http://www.imperialteutonicorder.com/id50.html) having a Teutonic Messiah, the Roman Empire mutated into the Vatican, which gave the world the Hitler Complex (https://books.google.com/books?id=qT4RBQAAQBAJ&pg=PT98&lpg=PT98&dq=%22Hitler+Complex%22&source=bl&ots=0pA332Cuyk&sig=LPsgbSRrMmmXk8OT1sHxzylKgsQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=nVjEVKHkFofksATr5YCQBA&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Hitler%20Complex%22&f=false). So, there's a very ancient story about Christianity that's never been told to the people today. So, today's religious world of Christianity is actually a tool that was developed by the Illuminati to control the world. And Christianity bears nothing to do with Christianity in its very original form. Its been designed to be a religio-politico-commercial system that was developed around the 4th Century. And was basically developed to be a religious/political/sociological world movement. And when you begin looking at the symbols, the words & the terms that are used today in the churches, you begin to see the connections between Illuminism, Luciferianism, the Illuminati, manipulation of governments, money - its a hell of a subject. There's no doubt about that. And its not the kind of thing that you can explain adequately on a radio show... You have to do it in a 4-5 hour video presentation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrcFuB9Zgsc#t=3m50s




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goLpfrjxDa8

Shezbeth
25th January 2015, 12:02
Thank you Turiya, that is a wonderfully written explanation of just the tip of the iceberg of the multitude of nefarity (as in nefarious) that can be observed in/around the vatican. Additionally you make excellent (if obvious and well-known) points about the mainstream media/journalism. Unfortunately, you have failed to in any way address my comments to Sam, which begs the question of why you opted to address (quote) my post.

Let me be clear.

It is distinctly possible that the Pope and co. mean something other than "I Love You" by their use and reference of that hand sign. Having said, it is most definitely (also) the sign for "I Love You" whether that is their actual purpose behind showing the sign.

I'm not contesting that there is an insidious perception among elitist/occult individuals/groups, nor that some of them may operate under the 'banner' of 'Satan'.

I will suggest that any who do are mere peons in the authoritarian structure, but that is an aside. Further, I do not contest that Sam's suggestion that there is/may be hidden symbolism that was deliberately worked into the signed linguistics. Target has presented a seemingly actionable picture depicting the sign, except it equally looks like Satan is checking himself for cancer as it does he is making a particular sign. Note the middle and ring fingers peeking out from 'behind' the pinky and forefinger,... if one is to go by that image then the pope would have his middle/ring fingers pointing outward toward the audience.

What I am questioning is the degree of certainty that Sam has presented, when - as I said - his validation of his impression is essentially "take my word for it".

Personally, I think 'the Satanists' are being given too much credit, and that many are/have been attempting to over-inflate their understanding of the groups and organizations in question.

Of all the plots and schemes that could be advanced, I doubt that 'corrupting sign language' was even mentioned in their meetings. :brushteeth:

P.S. Anyone else notice that the picture in Maunagarjana's post has 6 fingers?

13th Warrior
25th January 2015, 14:40
As much as I dislike this man, that hand sign is NOT a satanic gesture! Since I studied American Sign Language, I know this is sign for "I LOVE YOU"....
....

I think it would have been satanic had the thumb had been over those 2 fingers forming devil horns....


Yes, Maia is right, with the thumb out, it means "I love you". It comes from sign language. See:


Well...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/Kitab_al-Bulhan_--_devil.jpg/220px-Kitab_al-Bulhan_--_devil.jpg
Satan displaying the Sign of the horns in Kitab al-Bulhan (A late 14th-century Arabic manuscript)

Sure looks like his thumb is out to me ;)



Also: Sign language wasn't invented until 1620, so the "horns" sign predates it by around 100+ years.

Interesting picture; my feeling is that the hand shapes displayed are what Maunagarjana has referenced in their post concerning mudras.

What is pictured could very well be the Sha Kanji (Kuji-in) meditation mudra. The hands are most likely shown separated due to the difficulty of drawing them in the palms together mudra and having the arms cross the solar plexus signifying the location of the energy center.


In this version of the sha mudra, the tips of the small fingers are touching, parallel and projected forward. The tips of the ring fingers touch the web between the index and ring fingers on the opposite hands. The middle fingers curl inward to touch the tips of the ring fingers. The tips of the index fingers touch and project forward. The tips of the thumbs touch and project upward.

The Sha focus point is over the thymus gland, in the middle of the sternum, just below the manubrium or approximately on the horizontal line between the arm pits.

Visualize and feel a very bright light radiating from your chest. Observe the light to see the color or color patterns and note how they change with practice.

The chakra associated with Sha is the fourth or heart chakra. The Sha Kuji-In develops enhanced healing and regeneration influence and ability. This increased healing efficiency is the result of the higher levels of energy passing through our energy channels (Meridians) and heart chakra. This healing vibration will eventually radiate around you, causing other people to heal as you spend time with them.

The fourth or heart chakra is the crossroads between the higher Spiritual centers and realms and the lower centers and realms. At this level, energy is less structured and not encumbered by restrictive definitions, biases and polarities.

The corresponding endocrine gland is the thymus. Physiologically, the thymus is the heart of the immune system and secretes hormones important to healing, immune function and longevity. The thymus gland is associated with love. Love opens all doors. At this gland, love is awakened, bringing with it compassion, consideration, unselfishness, sincerity and honesty. This energy is associated with Qi or Chi in the Chinese system and Mana Mana in the Huna energetic system. In the Chinese system, the fourth chakra is associated with the middle dantian energy reservoir.

According to Edgar Cayce, if this gland is the highest gland activated during a person's life, they will be able to dwell in the afterlife realm associated with the planet Venus. According to Cayce, this afterlife realm can be referred to as the realm of love. Sympathy, the alleviating of hardships, the seeking of love, beauty and song are some influences that people from that realm possess. There is a strong attraction to the opposite sex.

According to Chinese tradition, Qi is stored in the liver. Qi is said to be the air or breath and is the vital life force for the physical body and is, therefore, an important element in internal martial arts.

As you activate this center, you may have to confront any unresolved issues you have with love, compassion, jealousy, romance, relationships and fascination with the opposite sex.
Sha Mantra

Japanese Kanji: On ha ya ba shi ra man ta ya sowaka

Sanskrit: Om vajraman taya swaha (Pronounced: Om vajramaanatayaa Swaha)

English Literal: O thunderbolt to / who has glory / sacrifice
Alternate:

"I am healed."

"The flow of Infinite Divine energy flows through me healing myself and others."

"I manifest profound healing of myself and others."

"My love is rich and unconditional."

"(Christian Version) Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.." -http://www.1paradigm.org/kuji-in.html

13th Warrior
25th January 2015, 14:56
Hi Robin,

I was looking for your understanding; i feel i have a pretty good grasp on Satanic theology.

The question could have been answered with a single word (although not completely correct) i would have given you credit for having more than just an outside looking in perspective.

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25th January 2015, 20:30
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Arcturian108
3rd October 2015, 12:48
What I think of when I read the many interpretations of these signs is the current bastardization of the Sanskrit word avatar which traditionally meant a human being who was a part of God on earth to the silly use of today's internet crowd, and recent movie of that title to complete the changeover.