Germanwings flight 4U9525 crash in Southern France

[Sophocles]

Germanwings A320 passenger plane crashes in Southern France


An Airbus A320 with 144 passengers and 6 crewmembers has crashed in Digne region, southern France. The jet, which belonged to Germanwings low-cost airline, was flying from Barcelona to Düsseldorf.

Link: http://rt.com/news/243525-airbus-crash-southern-france/

Link: http://rt.com/news/243533-plane-crash-german-wings/

First Images Of Germanwings Crash Debris Emerge; White House Says "No Indication Of Terrorism"


While the White House, seemingly an expert in determining airplane crashes causes within hours if not minutes of the accident (see flight MH-17) has already opined on the tragic crash of the Lufthansa Germanwings airplane:

WHITE HOUSE: NO INDICATION OF TERRORISM IN AIRPLANE CRASH

Link: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-24/first-images-germanwings-crash-debris-emerge-white-house-says-no-indication-terroris

Playback of flight #4U9525: http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/d-aipx/#5d42675

Much love to all those affected by this disaster.

[CD7]

And the spring equinox travel catastrophe has commenced!!!

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Much love to all those affected by the world disaster!!!!

[Taurean]

Let's see if the MSM try and pin this one on Putin.

An incredible amount of discernment is going to be required for this one.

[MorningSong]

I heard about this driving home from school, today.... another sad event... 16 students and 2 teachers were onboard.... 2 newborns and their families... 46 Folks from Spain, 76 from Germany, 1 fromTurkey and ???... about 150 including the 6 crew members...

It's very cloudy and foggy and it's raining here in the Alps, today... it's snowing at the crash site. The news say the plane crashed at about 1600 mt/sl.... not high enough to get over those mountains....

You can follow updates here:

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/plane-crash-in-the-french-alps-march-2015/

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_FRANCE_PLANE_CRASH_THE_LATEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-03-24-11-57-22

[araucaria]

One rescuer said on TV here that he'd seen no wreckage bigger than a meter in size, which is rather puzzling for a normal crash, where a layman like me would expect a business end smashed to smithereens and the other end slightly less badly damaged, if only because it would likely snap off at some point. The whole plane must have belly-flopped.

[Violet]

Every time something like this happens, the news (here at least) always ends with: despite (...event), flying has never been so safe.


Better to just have left that line out, replace it to a better timing.

[rgray222]

I understand it and I do get it but it is still hard to take. 150 people die in a tragic plane crash and it is plastered all over the news, the President of the USA comes on national TV and makes a statement. Two days ago 137 die from the actions of suicide bomber in Yemen and nothing, a non event. Somehow the media and politician have decided which lives are important and which method of dying is newsworthy. Politicians and the mainstream media set the agenda. They have pre-determined what they want you to think about, they want to tell people what is important and what isn't. There is no way that the 137 people in Yemen are less important than the 150 in France.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I understand it and I do get it but it is still hard to take. 150 people die in a tragic plane crash and it is plastered all over the news, the President of the USA comes on national TV and makes a statement. Two days ago 137 die from the actions of suicide bomber in Yemen and nothing, a non event. Somehow the media and politician have decided which lives are important and which method of dying is newsworthy. Politicians and the mainstream media set the agenda. They have pre-determined what they want you to think about, they want to tell people what is important and what isn't. There is no way that the 137 people in Yemen are less important than the 150 in France.

I agree. maybe people are just sad.tired of hearing about terrorism.
they wanna believe there are parts of the world that are safe.
but due to corporate terrorists, the truth of the world,
nowhere is safe. nowhere healthy and competitive is safe.

people need to inform themselves and arm themselves emotionally and intellectually against the very hard times,
and truths of our times.

these things will not stop happening until cronyism in the MIC is stopped.
until contracts are no longer given to thugs, these things probably won't stop.

because the beastly corporate rule we live under in our world is always hungry,
never stops eating -- it is always cutting corners, cheapening safety, and killing the little guy.


i hate to sound like a naysaying luddite, but until the corporate leaders and governments of our world start acting with a moral conscience and put a real value on human life,
we will just keep hearing about more crashes, more explosions, more reasons oil price goes up and hope goes down, everything falling apart.



let's pray that a common hope and vision for the future help guide the people who make it through this difficult, formative age.
and try not to be too depressed by inequal reporting....

people can't choose where they are born, but some can choose to change the place, or move on....
people need to de-claw the System that birthed and enabled the whole terrorist generation...

even CNN stooping to sensational titles on their main page like "teen's ISIS packing list", what kind of crap!?
did anyone else see them doing that? mindless sensationalism 8(

[korgh]

My condolences for their families.
I'm wondering why so many planes are crashing lately.. strange isn't?
I have thousands of miles of flight and i'm very concerned about all of these "coincidences"... Next time i will travel by ship!


Edited: I'm not concerned about some kind of terrorism but in nowadays is very hard to take down a plane even thinking about an A320 by human failure because there is a high tech instrumentation behind of it. Also, all traffic on EU is heavily controlled and well monitored.

[Bob]

http://www.airlinesafety.com/faq/faq10.htm

Loss of elevator horizontal stabilizer and or trim system or the jackscrew motor and or locknut could be the issue in the recent wave of mysterious jet incidents. If there were sabotage that location in the flight control mechanism most likely would be the common denominator. It could be a maintenance accident too. But being stuck in an up or down nose orientation would make flying difficult or impossible. If the pilot went to trim flight after leveling off and catestrophic failure happened there would be not much time to deal with a plane falling out of the sky with such an issue.

Investigative group if they can find the tail section would have to look at the parts mentioned. Then track back to see was last working on such.

[CD7]

Two days ago 137 die from the actions of suicide bomber in Yemen and nothing, a non event. Somehow the media and politician have decided which lives are important and which method of dying is newsworthy. Politicians and the mainstream media set the agenda


Yes the "surface" events are plastered everywhere WHILE THOUSANDS DIE EVERYDAY (humans/animals) NEEDLESSLY........Genius isn't it how we are trained to watch the WRONG BALLS.....

[MorningSong]

Here are a few interesting comments I have found:


15.24 Even though it will take some time to determine exactly what caused the Airbus to crash, experts are already beginning to focus on the sensors the plane uses to determine its speed.

Bob Mann, an American aviation consultant, suggested that the key could be in the sophisticated computer technology used to control the plane.

In particular, he highlighted the Angle of Attack Sensors used on the A320.

“If it thinks a plane is about to stall, it will cause the nose to pitch down,” he said.

“From the flight radar it looks like a nine minute descent at a constant 400 knots.”

The steady path of the plane could indicate that its path was being controlled by computer.

And:


15.40 Nick Brough, an aviation consultant based in Italy, told The Telegraph it was highly unlikely that weather conditions brought the plane down:

Quote Commercial airplanes simply don’t crash because of bad weather.

The aircraft appears to have gone into a descent lasting eight minutes, at a more or less constant velocity, until hitting terrain.

Without intending to speculate, if it is true that the crew made no attempts to make radio contact, they may have been suddenly incapacitated.

At this stage oxygen starvation cannot be ruled out, as in the Helios Airways accident near Athens in 2005.”

Without oxygen, you lose consciousness very quickly – hence the on board safety announcement that tells you to put the mask on your own face first and only then on babies and children.

And:


17.58 A spokeswoman for Germanwings has just said that the plane underwent a maintenance check yesterday in Dusseldorf.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11491587/Airbus-A320-crashes-in-French-Alps-with-148-people-on-board-live.html

[Rocky_Shorz]

It was at the safest part of the flight when the plane went down, but it went down quick, 30,000 feet in 8 minutes, they have already recovered the black box...

16 students, 2 opera singers among plane crash victims

"HALTERN, Germany -- A stunned German town mourned 16 students who went down aboard Germanwings Flight 9525 on their way home Tuesday from a Spanish exchange, while the opera world grieved for two singers who were returning from performing in Barcelona - one of them with her baby.

"This is surely the blackest day in the history of our town," a visibly shaken Mayor Bodo Klimpel said after the western town of Haltern was shocked by news that 16 students from the local high school and two of their teachers had been on the plane. They had just spent a week in Spain.

Some hugged and cried in front of the Joseph Koenig High School, where the 10th graders had studied, and put candles on its steps. Others changed their Facebook cover photos to black, with the simple message "Haltern mourns; In memory of the victims of the March 24, 2015 plane crash."..." link (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/germanwings-flight-9525-crash-16-students-2-teachers-from-germany-on-plane/)

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

http://www.airlinesafety.com/faq/faq10.htm

Loss of elevator horizontal stabilizer and or trim system or the jackscrew motor and or locknut could be the issue in the recent wave of mysterious jet incidents. If there were sabotage that location in the flight control mechanism most likely would be the common denominator. It could be a maintenance accident too. But being stuck in an up or down nose orientation would make flying difficult or impossible. If the pilot went to trim flight after leveling off and catestrophic failure happened there would be not much time to deal with a plane falling out of the sky with such an issue.

Investigative group if they can find the tail section would have to look at the parts mentioned. Then track back to see was last working on such.

there was an incident near Hawaii years and years ago,
where a panel covering hydraulics near the tail was improperly riveted after maintenance (commercial).

at altitide the panel vibrated loose and part of it went thru the hydraulic lines.

and the plane turned onto its back and did a dive straight into the sea.
killing all.



but i cannot rule out laser/computer hack/etc
lots of crap can wreck an airplane,
and the modern world has a troubling tendency to introduce unknowns more often than solving them


p.s. i can't for the life of me find the one that happened in the southern pacific but there was one near seattle that was similar to this lufthansa thing,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Airlines_Flight_261#Second_dive_and_crash


Alaska Airlines Flight 261 was a scheduled international passenger flight on January 31, 2000 from Lic. Gustavo Díaz Ordaz International Airport in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, to Seattle-Tacoma International Airport in Seattle, Washington, with an intermediate stop at San Francisco International Airport in San Francisco, California.[1] The aircraft, a McDonnell Douglas MD-83, crashed into the Pacific Ocean about 2.7 miles (4.3 km) north of Anacapa Island, California after suffering a catastrophic loss of pitch control. The two pilots, three cabin crewmembers, and 83 passengers on board were killed. The crash took place 3 weeks after the crash of Crossair Flight 498 in Switzerland and one day after the crash of Kenya Airways Flight 431 off the coast of Côte d'Ivoire.

The subsequent investigation by the National Transportation Safety Board determined that inadequate maintenance led to excessive wear and eventual failure of a critical flight control system during flight. The probable cause was stated to be "a loss of airplane pitch control resulting from the in-flight failure of the horizontal stabilizer trim system jackscrew assembly's acme nut threads. The thread failure was caused by excessive wear resulting from Alaska Airlines' insufficient lubrication of the jackscrew assembly."[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Airlines_Flight_261#First_dive_and_recovery
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Airlines_Flight_261#Second_dive_and_crash


HEY that wiki claimed there were 3 crashes in like one month or some crap,

The crash took place 3 weeks after the crash of Crossair Flight 498 in Switzerland and one day after the crash of Kenya Airways Flight 431 off the coast of Côte d'Ivoire.

that would be a LOT of rusty jackscrews imo, :( :P

[korgh]

http://www.airlinesafety.com/faq/faq10.htm

Loss of elevator horizontal stabilizer and or trim system or the jackscrew motor and or locknut could be the issue in the recent wave of mysterious jet incidents. If there were sabotage that location in the flight control mechanism most likely would be the common denominator. It could be a maintenance accident too. But being stuck in an up or down nose orientation would make flying difficult or impossible. If the pilot went to trim flight after leveling off and catastrophic failure happened there would be not much time to deal with a plane falling out of the sky with such an issue.

Investigative group if they can find the tail section would have to look at the parts mentioned. Then track back to see was last working on such.

A spokeswoman for Germanwings has just said that the plane underwent a maintenance check yesterday in Dusseldorf (the normal one) and the full maintenance was years ago (+3).
I know well the weather condition on the Alps mountains but also there is a lot of air traffic in that region without any incidents for years. There will be a lot of nonsense suppositions by the media and all that really matter now are the black boxes.

[Bob]

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/faa-mandates-near-term-a320-stabilizer-inspections-311325/

Please read the above FAA alert. Cursory looking at does not review the wear or sabotage issue.


FAA mandates near-term A320 stabiliser inspections
By: JOHN CROFT Source: 12:00 12 May 2008
The US Federal Aviation Administration has finalised an airworthiness directive for tailplane trim inspections after concerns about incorrect installations that could result in loss of control of aircraft.

Proposed in October last year, the AD resulted from multiple operators discovering and reporting incorrect trimmable horizontal stabiliser actuator (THSA) installation while complying with an Airbus service bulletin. The AD requires operators of 721 US-registered Airbus A320-family aircraft to perform a one-time inspection of the THSA.

According to the FAA, the faulty installation "could lead to a degradation of the integrity of the THSA primary load path", that could result in uncontrolled movement of the horizontal stabiliser "and loss of control of the aircraft".

The AD calls for operators within 600 flight hours or 750 flight cycles from 6 June to perform a one-time detailed visual inspection of the lower and the upper THSA attachments for correct installation and for the presence of metallic particles.

The FAA recently proposed a similar AD for Boeing 737s following a Boeing design review and safety analysis of the horizontal trim units on all its aircraft. The review followed the January 2000 loss of an Alaska Airlines MD-83 and all 88 passengers and crew after the failure of the horizontal stabiliser trim assembly due to an improperly lubricated jackscrew.

Northwest Airlines, through the Air Transport Association, had requested that the FAA reconsider issuing the A320 AD. "NWA agrees that an incorrectly installed THSA could be a safety concern, but asserts that accomplishing a one-time inspection will not prevent improper THSA installations in the future, and does not understand what corrective action is being taken (or should be taken) to prevent similar installation problems in the future."

Although it does not agree the AD should be withdrawn, the FAA says: "Airbus has informed us that the maintenance instructions have been revised and clarified to prevent confusion during any future installation of the THSA."





FAA warns of A320 horizontal stabizer failures resulting in total loss of aircraft control.

An order was issued for inspection and maintenance. If the company did not perform the maintenance an accident of the type that happened if the trim was adjusted which would have been normal procedure at that part of the flight.

If that part fails accidentally or deliberately it is a critical key component and there is no backup to the mechanical part. The A320 and other jets using that type of elevator movement suffer from this issue and if there were an accident innocent or otherwise that component is a strategic kingpin needed to be maintained.


Airbus has disclosed that the Germanwings A320 involved in the accident in the French Alps had accumulated 58,300h.

It confirms the airframe as MSN147, registered D-AIPX. The aircraft was originally delivered to Lufthansa, the parent of Germanwings, in 1991.



Airbus says the aircraft had conducted around 46,700 flights. It has not given any information about its maintenance record.

Germanwings states that there were 144 passengers and six crew members on board flight 4U9525 from Barcelona to Dusseldorf.

France's BEA will take charge of the investigation into the accident. Airbus says it will provide support to the inquiry with a group of technical advisers.

[avid]

CERN CERN CERN? Knackering the vibrationsphere.... Watch out for unexplained earth vibrations (earthquakes) in odd places in or near Switzerland imminently. Thanks to Dutch!

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

CERN CERN CERN? Knackering the vibrationsphere.... Watch out for unexplained earth vibrations (earthquakes) in odd places in or near Switzerland imminently. Thanks to Dutch!

"We are the pebble that starts the avalanche. Where is that pebble, then, which makes the avalanche forebear?"
~THe Basanos (Lucifer, by Mike Carey)

[korgh]

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/faa-mandates-near-term-a320-stabilizer-inspections-311325/

Please read the above FAA alert. Cursory looking at does not review the wear or sabotage issue.

FAA warns of A320 horizontal stabizer failures resulting in total loss of aircraft control.

An order was issued for inspection and maintenance. If the company did not perform the maintenance an accident of the type that happened if the trim was adjusted which would have been normal procedure at that part of the flight.

If that part fails accidentally or deliberately it is a critical key component and there is no backup to the mechanical part. The A320 and other jets using that type of elevator movement suffer from this issue and if there were an accident innocent or otherwise that component is a strategic kingpin needed to be maintained.

It makes sense this kind of failure when considering a low-cost air company and all economics difficulties nowadays. I almost bet that the real issue will be covered and again we will remain without the truth.
Just my two cents....

[Wind]

I do wonder how many commercial airplanes these days have the same kind of remote controls as the United Airlines Flight 175 (Boeing 767–222) and American Airlines Flight 11 (Boeing 767-223ER) had? It certainly wasn't a good day for those pilots.

Too many commercial airplanes have fallen down during the past year and at least two of them were certainly brought down by explosives, the other one by missiles. I'm not saying that this one was, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that something unusual is going on. Of course there are always genuine accidents too, but what is it with these planes? Statistically speaking, I would avoid using Boeings, better to be safe than sorry.

List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_commercial_aircraft#2014)

March 8 – Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, a Boeing 777 en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 227 passengers and 12 crew on board, disappears from radar over the Gulf of Thailand. Has still not been found.


July 17 – Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, a Boeing 777 en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, is shot down over eastern Ukraine, killing all 283 passengers and 15 crew on board in the deadliest civilian airliner shootdown incident


July 23 – TransAsia Airways Flight 222, an ATR-72 en route from Kaohsiung to Penghu, Taiwan, crashes during go-around, killing 48 of the 58 people on board.


December 28 – Indonesia AirAsia Flight 8501, an Airbus A320 en route from Surabaya, Indonesia to Singapore, crashes into waters off Borneo, killing all 155 passengers and 7 crew on board.


February 4 – TransAsia Airways Flight 235, an ATR-72, crashes into the Keelung River in Taiwan. 42 of the 58 passengers and crew on board are killed.


March 24 - Germanwings Flight 9525, an Airbus A320, crashes in southern France en route from Barcelona, Spain to Düsseldorf, Germany. All 144 passengers and 6 crew on board the aircraft died in the crash.


Once is chance, twice is Coincidence, third time is a pattern.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I do wonder how many commercial airplanes these days have the same kind of remote controls as the United Airlines Flight 175 (Boeing 767–222) and American Airlines Flight 11 (Boeing 767-223ER) had? It certainly wasn't a good day for those pilots.

Too many commercial airplanes have fallen down during the past year and at least two of them were certainly brought down by explosives, the other one by missiles. I'm not saying that this one was, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that something unusual is going on. Of course there are always genuine accidents too, but what is it with these planes? Statistically speaking, I would avoid using Boeings, better to be safe than sorry.

List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_commercial_aircraft#2014)

March 8 – Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, a Boeing 777 en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 227 passengers and 12 crew on board, disappears from radar over the Gulf of Thailand. Has still not been found.


July 17 – Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, a Boeing 777 en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, is shot down over eastern Ukraine, killing all 283 passengers and 15 crew on board in the deadliest civilian airliner shootdown incident


July 23 – TransAsia Airways Flight 222, an ATR-72 en route from Kaohsiung to Penghu, Taiwan, crashes during go-around, killing 48 of the 58 people on board.


December 28 – Indonesia AirAsia Flight 8501, an Airbus A320 en route from Surabaya, Indonesia to Singapore, crashes into waters off Borneo, killing all 155 passengers and 7 crew on board.


February 4 – TransAsia Airways Flight 235, an ATR-72, crashes into the Keelung River in Taiwan. 42 of the 58 passengers and crew on board are killed.


March 24 - Germanwings Flight 9525, an Airbus A320, crashes in southern France en route from Barcelona, Spain to Düsseldorf, Germany. All 144 passengers and 6 crew on board the aircraft died in the crash.


Once is chance, twice is Coincidence, third time is a pattern.

a little bird told me, they want to sell more planes just like a car company wants to sell cars...
crash = $$$

p.s. also follow some money in regards to, who invested recently in competing airlines OR modes of travel i.e. rail
if a canadian oil pig could fly :) :P
what i'm saying is, it's kind of happening w/ the train lines in canada,
these inexplicable crashes always blamed on maintenance etc pilot error etc...
when there's big money big big money changing hands,
like the insider trading before 9/11 --
someone ought to check :(

[Taurean]

For the crew to be unable to get a mayday out in the 8 minutes it took to descend suggests something catastrophic has occurred in or around the cockpit.

[Rocky_Shorz]

word from before its news is the location of CERN to this flight might have been the cause...

"Germanwings Plane Crash Near “CERN” 150 Dead | Flight 9525"

"Yet another “repercussion from that dangerous CERN power up yesterday! When will mankind LEARN to stop fooling around with nature!



An Airbus A320 with 144 passengers and 6 crewmembers has crashed in Digne region, southern France. The jet, which belonged to Germanwings low-cost airline, was flying from Barcelona to Düsseldorf.

The jet took off from Barcelona airport at 08:55 GMT, according to Spanish Airport operator AENA.

The plane crash in the French Alps was confirmed by General Directorate of Civil Aviation (DGCA). The jet crashed in the Upper Bléone Valley, Le Provence wrote. “There are no survivors” in the crash of Germanwings flight 4U9525 in the French Alps, said Alain Vidal, secretary of state for transport on Europe.“There was a distress call…. This distress signal showed that the aircraft was at 1524 meters, in an abnormal situation,” he said. Source


CERN short circits at same time as plane crash! Additional PROOF CERN was the cause of this tragedy. link (http://video-video.beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/03/more-cern-backlash-no-survivors-expected-germanwings-plane-crash-near-cern-150-dead-germanwings-plane-dropped-from-the-sky-150-dead-flight-9525-video-video-video-3127280.html)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1XDf3bacfw

[araucaria]

CERN short circits at same time as plane crash! Additional PROOF CERN was the cause of this tragedy. link (http://video-video.beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/03/more-cern-backlash-no-survivors-expected-germanwings-plane-crash-near-cern-150-dead-germanwings-plane-dropped-from-the-sky-150-dead-flight-9525-video-video-video-3127280.html)

This site is all doom-and-gloom religious propaganda.
Below is a screenshot of early morning traffic (c. 7.30 local time) showing just how many planes are much closer to Cern, notably around Geneva, Lyon and Grenoble. Why would none of these planes be hit but one 200 miles away? It makes no sense.

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[Sophocles]

Germanwings flight 4U9525 crash: One black box 'damaged', says source close to inquiry


ROISSY-CHARLES DE GAULLE AIRPORT, France (AFP) - The cockpit voice recorder (CVR) recovered from the wreckage of the Germanwings Airbus that crashed, killing all 150 aboard, has been found damaged and has being taken to Paris for analysis, a source close to the inquiry said on Wednesday.

"The black box that was found is the CVR," the source told AFP on condition of anonymity.

The CVR "was damaged. It has been transferred to Paris this morning".

A second so-called black box, in this case recording flight data, has yet to be found on the mountain in the French Alps where the Airbus A320 went down on Tuesday.

Link: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/world/europe/story/germanwings-flight-4u9525-crash-one-black-box-damaged-says-source-close-inqu

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

The pilot blacked out, He was too high and as he lowered the plane he somehow blacked out and the plane went nose down. Both engines seemed to be fine.

There's also a large hole in the plane that will be explained later. Very sad really. This could be pilot error, I can't imagine the shock of being at the end of this news having a loved one on board.

[araucaria]

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/plane-crash-in-the-french-alps-march-2015/

That BBC graphic, purportedly a computer-generated graph, looks very precise, but a funny thing happens when you take a closer look: for one thing, the horizontal axis seems to operate on a sliding scale.


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I printed it out in 20x25 cm format to fit comfortably on A4 paper. Taking at this scale the crossover point at 09:24:29 to the end point at 09:40:36, those 16 minutes and 7 seconds cover 9.2 cm, i.e. a scale of 1.75 min/cm. However, applying the same calculation to the previous 25.32 minutes, covering 11.3 cm, we get a scale of 2.26 min/cm.

Another thing: the flight took off at 9.01 GMT, the first 4 mm on the graph cover roughly 12 minutes in time. If we discount this anomaly on the basis that it might be a sloppy cutoff point on the graph, we still have approx. 24:30 of time in the air within the space of 10.9 cm of paper, hence a scale of 2.25 min/cm. However, since it is unlikely that the aircraft was taxiing for all of 12 minutes, one suspects that for 08:48:57 we should read 08:58:57. Oh dear.

Either way, ignoring the anomaly at the beginning, we still have two rather different scales. Which one is more accurate? Well, let’s take the final period from the point when the plane starts losing height and the altitude graph dips under the ground speed line. At the scale at which it is drawn, the 3.4 cm descent corresponds to 6.11 minutes in time. But at the other scale, it corresponds to 7.48 minutes, which is close to the eight minutes mentioned in media reports.

However, there is the additional problem that the ground speed curve does not fully match the data from the source, given as flightradar24. Here are minute-by-minute data I collected from that site http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/4u9525/
Time Altitude Ground speed
09:23 35475 464
09:24 36775 448
09:25 37550 442
09:26 37875 445
09:27 38000 452
09:28 38000 463
09:29 38000 463
09:30 38000 476
09:31 37975 477
09:32 35675 473
09:33 32625 473
09:34 28875 480
09:35 24650 487
09:36 20300 476
09:37 17050 450
09:38 13300 431
09:39 10475 411
09:40:00 8250 384
09:40:36 6800 378

First note how the data point 09:24:29 is totally insignificant: the ground speed has not quite bottomed out (it does so at 9:25) and the altitude is still rising. All that has happened is a visual effect of the two scales on the graph: change either of the scales and the crossover point will be somewhere else. If this time were in any way significant, then one would have to also draw attention to the time at which a second crossover took place, which was the highly significant moment when the plane started losing height (seconds after 9:35). Why is this time not indicated?

Looking at the end of the ground speed curve as it starts becoming irregular, we see an overall rise with one sudden drop, then a twin peak before dropping off steeply to the end. These top speeds begin no more than two minutes from the end of the graph, so the sudden loss of speed allegedly first occurs at around 9:39, although the loss of altitude started at around 9:34:25.

Compare that with the above times. A small blip (-4 kts) occurs at 9:32-33, then a top speed of 487 is reached at 9:35, before dropping off at a steadily increasing rate: 9 ft in the first minute, then 26, 19, 20, 27 – that’s five full minutes. Then something strange happens: only 6 ft lost in the last 36 seconds, which is 10 ft per minute, barely faster than at the start of the incident.

I was thinking this is merely shoddy work by an employee of the best-in-the-world BBC. Recently I saw a historical map drawn by a professional cartographer working for a university: the indicated scale was completely wrong, countries and borders were anachronistic and the locations featured were hopelessly out of position. But shoddiness doesn’t explain why this graph is more like an artist’s impression than the real thing. The anomalies are harder to produce than obtaining a correct graph by punching in the figures.

Then we have to deal with the cutoff point at 6800 feet – and 384 kts. It it a little unfortunate that we cannot extrapolate beyond this point. Sure, the plane was still slowing down, but the deceleration was possibly almost under control. What happened next would be anyone’s guess but for what we know happened when this Barcelona flight was ‘canceled’ nearing Barcelonnette (the fates or whatever sure have a weird sense of humour).

For any suspicious minds out there, this was clearly an accident. It can’t have been otherwise, because, you see, it would have to be very sloppy work from whoever left us those last 36 seconds of data. That is highly unlikely.

Edit: as exepcted, the flightradar24 graph is rather different:
https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/580326370640818176/photo/1

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[Roberta]

The crash of a Germanwings Airbus plane in a remote area of the French Alps on Tuesday does not appear to have been caused by a terror attack, White House said, adding that U.S. officials stand ready to help investigate.

Well, that's what makes me think the opposite, actually!

[syrwong]

What it meant was "We didn't do it, no."


The crash of a Germanwings Airbus plane in a remote area of the French Alps on Tuesday does not appear to have been caused by a terror attack, White House said, adding that U.S. officials stand ready to help investigate.

Well, that's what makes me think the opposite, actually!

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Please check out this story from 1999, where a Lear Jet crashed due to lack of oxygen:

1999 South Dakota Learjet crash

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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1999 South Dakota Learjet crash

NTSB-N47BA-slide0013 background.jpg
N47BA before its final flight.
Accident summary
Date October 25, 1999


Summary Crew incapacitation,
fuel starvation
Site Edmunds County,
South Dakota
(near Aberdeen)
45°25′00″N 98°45′00″WCoordinates: 45°25′00″N 98°45′00″W


Passengers 4
Crew 2
Fatalities 6 (all)
Survivors 0
Aircraft type Learjet 35
Operator SunJet Aviation
Registration N47BA
Flight origin: Orlando, Florida
Destination Dallas Love Field, Texas


On October 25, 1999, a chartered Learjet 35 was scheduled to fly from Orlando, Florida, to Dallas, Texas. Early in the flight, the aircraft, which was cruising at altitude on autopilot, quickly lost cabin pressure and all on board were incapacitated due to hypoxia — a lack of oxygen. The aircraft failed to make the westward turn toward Dallas over north Florida and continued on its northwestern course, flying over the southern and midwestern United States for almost four hours and 1,500 miles (2,400 km). The plane ran out of fuel over South Dakota and crashed into a field near Aberdeen after an uncontrolled descent.[1] The four passengers on board were golf star Payne Stewart, his agents, Van Ardan and Robert Fraley, and Bruce Borland, a highly regarded golf architect with the Jack Nicklaus golf course design company.



http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/25/europe/germanwings-crash-main/index.html

Germanwings crash: The search for data recorder -- and answers
By Josh Levs, Holly Yan and Laura Smith-Spark, CNN
Updated 3:27 PM ET, Wed March 25, 2015


Bizarre crash
The crash is bizarre for several reasons: There was no distress call. The aircraft crashed midflight, rather than at takeoff or landing, as with many crashes. And the plane dropped from an altitude of 38,000 feet for eight minutes, the airline said.

...
The Germanwings pilot "was definitely aviating and navigating from what we can tell," Soucie said. The pilot was conceivably looking for a place to try to land, he said.

The plane reached its cruising altitude of 38,000 feet, and then dropped for about eight minutes, according to Germanwings. The plane lost contact with French radar at a height of about 6,000 feet. Then it crashed.

[Truglivartna]

As an ex-Commercial Pilot, I find Jimstone's analysis (link to his Forum below) to be the most probable scenario....deeply disturbing though it is!

http://82.221.129.208/

[Bob]

GermanWings Pilots saying hell no we won't go (and fly).. (because we are upset you see..)


Distraught Germanwings pilots refuse to fly

Dozens of Germanwings pilots and cabin crew refused to fly on Wednesday because of "deep emotional distress" over the airline's Flight 9525 crash that killed 150 people.

Pilots and crew booked on around 40 of the airline's flights were "unfit to fly" Lufthansa's spokesman Florian Grenzdorfer said.

The spokesperson said the crews balked at flying because they were in "deep emotional distress after the accident."

"Some had friends on the flight and had personal reasons for their decision," Grenzdorfer said.

"Unfit to fly" is a technical term used by aviation industry to describe any physical or psychological condition that prevents crew from working.

Most airlines have rules that allow pilots to temporarily withdraw from service.

"Our passengers and companies want us to be 100% fit before we get into the cockpit. This is one way which the pilot associations and the airlines work together to achieve this," James Phillips, a pilot and the international affairs director of the German pilots association, said.


he airline dismissed media reports that safety concerns were behind the pilots' decision. "They are certainly not too afraid to fly," Grenzdorfer said.

Phillips said the pilots association was in touch with several of the crew and said there were no safety concerns behind their decision not to fly.

Thomas Winkelmann, Germanwings CEO said the whole company is in shock over the crash. "The Germanwings Family is close, everyone knows everyone. There is a feeling of mourning and shock," he said.

Most of the affected flights were departing from Dusseldorf and Stuttgart. Germanwings has a fleet of 78 aircraft flying to 130 destinations in Europe. It operates around 600 flights a day.

The disaster comes amid a long-standing labor dispute between Lufthansa and the German pilots trade union over retirement policies.

The pilots have repeatedly walked out in protest at Lufthansa's cost-cutting plans -- most recently last week, when their strike grounded around 1,600 flights carrying over 220,000 passengers.

The union's officials said the strikes will not continue for the time being, due to the fatal crash.

So.. are they really distraught - Indonesian pilots continued to fly after the crashes there.. What's going on here? Shot down, really? Controlled by the ground, really? How about a fatal flaw in a part critical for the plane to fly safely, that could have been sabotaged..

ref: http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/25/news/companies/germanwings-crash-pilots/

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[araucaria]

Here is an explanation I haven't seen before:
http://www.look-up.org.uk/airbus-southern-fance/

[Matisse]

I just found out this mid day that i had a friend on that flight...... it is a very sad loss.... and i,m still digesting it.... and having a drink to her memory....To Karin.....

[Bob]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxPa9A-k2xY
This is what a jack-screw looks like, for a 737 but the principle is the same..

Notice how it get's stuck and what it sounds like when that happens.. notice how long it takes to go thru the cycle.. about a minute.. about the time it took for "all ok" to something very wrong.

Here is a damaged jack screw from Alaska Air. Alaska Airlines Flight 261..


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Screwshavings2_sm.PNG

The probable cause was stated to be "a loss of airplane pitch control resulting from the in-flight failure of the horizontal stabilizer trim system jackscrew assembly's acme nut threads. The thread failure was caused by excessive wear resulting from Alaska Airlines' insufficient lubrication of the jackscrew assembly."

If that nut on the top is removed, it can possibly go off.. numerous potential issues where the pilots can do nothing when this happens.

Crash details, with the stuck jackscrew in Alaska Air..


At 4:09 p.m., the flight crew unjammed the horizontal stabilizer with the primary trim system, however, upon being freed, it quickly moved to an extreme "nose-down" position, forcing the aircraft into an almost vertical nosedive.

The plane dropped from about 31,500 feet to between 23,000 and 24,000 feet in around 80 seconds.

Both pilots struggled together to regain control of the aircraft, and only by pulling with 130 to 140 pounds-force (580 to 620 N) on the controls did the flight crew arrest the 6,000 foot-per minute descent of the aircraft and stabilize themselves at approximately 24,400 feet.

Then the problem was not over..

NOSE DOWN, and high speed, unable to recover.. when the jack screw fails..


Beginning at 4:19 p.m., the CVR recorded the sounds of at least four distinct "thumps" followed 17 seconds later by an "extremely loud noise" as the jackscrew failed and completely separated from the nut holding it in place. The aircraft rapidly pitched over into a dive.

The crippled aircraft had been given a block altitude, and several aircraft in the vicinity had been alerted by ATC to maintain visual contact with the stricken jet and they immediately contacted the controller.

One pilot radioed "that plane has just started to do a big huge plunge"; another reported, "Yes sir, ah, I concur he is, uh, definitely in a nose down, uh, position descending quite rapidly."

ATC then tried to contact the plane. The crew of a Skywest airliner reported "He's, uh, definitely out of control."

Although the CVR captured the co-pilot saying "Mayday," no radio communications were received from the flight crew during the final event.

The CVR transcript reveals the pilots' continuous attempts for the duration of the dive to regain control of the aircraft.

At one point, unable to raise the nose, they attempted to fly the aircraft "upside-down".

However, the aircraft was beyond recovery; it descended inverted and nose-down about 18,000 feet in 81 seconds, a descent rate exceeding 13,300 feet per minute (approx. 151.1 mph), before hitting the ocean at high speed.

This jack screw ISSUE is a potential sabotage point, OR a maintenance point where something could have happened with disgruntled employees, and/or a "maintenance person" having access to that part of the plane.. In light of the global terror, is that out of the realm of possibility?

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

The role of Oxygen in crashes




http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/aviation-international-news/2010-01-26/study-pilots-ignore-oxygen-regulations

Study: Pilots Ignore Oxygen Regulations
by Matt Thurber
- January 26, 2010, 5:06 AM
More than 60 percent of business jet pilots do not use oxygen masks when required to by FAA regulations, according to a survey conducted by corporate pilot Chris Shaver for his master’s thesis at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University.

Shaver needed a safety-related project for his thesis and he didn’t want to rehash existing research on subjects that have been studied exhaustively. “The question came up in hangar talk with some friends,” he recalled. One pilot questioned whether oxygen masks are certified above a certain altitude, then the discussion moved into whether pilots typically wear the mask as required by FAA regulations. Shaver posed that question as a basis for his research.

The FAA requires pilots to wear an oxygen mask under certain circumstances, and Shaver’s research showed that most pilots do not comply with the rules. For Part 91 operators, no one may fly a pressurized aircraft above 35,000 feet without one pilot donning a mask. If quick-donning masks are available, the threshold altitude rises to 41,000 feet. Above 41,000 feet or if one pilot leaves the controls above 35,000 feet, one pilot “must always be using supplemental oxygen.”

Part 135 pilots must use supplemental oxygen above 25,000 feet when one pilot is at the controls. When both are flying, one must be on oxygen above 35,000 feet. Part 121 pilots have a 35,000-feet threshold when one pilot is at the controls or when flying above 35,000 feet in an aircraft with fewer than 30 seats or above 41,000 feet with more than 30 seats.


wikipedia talks about FAA exception to flight ceilings and regs:


Before 1996, approximately 6,000 large commercial transport airplanes were type-certificated to fly up to 45,000 ft (14,000 m) without having to meet high-altitude special conditions.[11]

In 1996, the FAA adopted Amendment 25-87, which imposed additional high-altitude cabin pressure specifications for new-type aircraft designs. For aircraft certified to operate above 25,000 ft (7,600 m), it "must be designed so that occupants will not be exposed to cabin pressure altitudes in excess of 15,000 ft (4,600 m) after any probable failure condition in the pressurization system".[12]

In the event of a decompression which results from "any failure condition not shown to be extremely improbable", the plane must be designed so that occupants will not be exposed to a cabin altitude exceeding 25,000 ft (7,600 m) for more than 2 minutes, nor exceeding an altitude of 40,000 ft (12,000 m) at any time.[12] In practice, that new Federal Aviation Regulations amendment imposes an operational ceiling of 40,000 ft (12,000 m) on the majority of newly designed commercial aircraft.[13][14]

Aircraft manufacturers can apply for a relaxation of this rule if the circumstances warrant it. In 2004, Airbus acquired an FAA exemption to allow the cabin altitude of the A380 to reach 43,000 ft (13,000 m) in the event of a decompression incident and to exceed 40,000 ft (12,000 m) for one minute.

This allows the A380 to operate at a higher altitude than other newly designed civilian aircraft.[13]

"hypoxia the best theory for malaysia airlines flight 370"

http://www.askthepilot.com/malaysia-airlines-flight-370/

Meanwhile, the latest reports are saying that hypoxia — that is, the crew falling unconscious due to lack of oxygen — appears to be the “best fit” for the MH 370 mystery. How this may have happened, if it did, remains unknown, but possibilities include a cabin breach caused by a bomb or structural failure, or a major pressurization malfunction. Pilots are trained to deal with such things, and even a total loss of cabin pressure is seldom dangerous. But, they have to respond quickly and appropriately.


I just don't understand the fixation with the jackscrew thing when the oxygen thing is a huge story, recent, and people have been messing about with the regs.


something isn't right and it's not maintenance's fault it's the design.
i'm sick of the big guy blaming the little one.
i would be highly surprised that german commerical airline maintenance would let this happen when others dont



the jim stone thing isn't much, it just says,
it looked like a controlled dive.



As an ex-Commercial Pilot, I find Jimstone's analysis (link to his Forum below) to be the most probable scenario....deeply disturbing though it is!

http://82.221.129.208/

New info on Germanwings crash

It has now been determined that the descent was a perfectly controlled full throttle dive of a perfectly working aircraft straight into the side of a mountain. And I know how it happened, details below.





please tell me what it would look like if a full grown man or two passed out onto the control columns and the plane went into a dive.
it takes about 45 lbs to break autopilot on most planes, some could be more sensitive.

in the event that one of the men leaned over then passed out while reading instruments the plane would have gone into a dive when his belly ran into the column.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I just found out this mid day that i had a friend on that flight...... it is a very sad loss.... and i,m still digesting it.... and having a drink to her memory....To Karin.....

i am so sorry for your loss and that i didn't see your post until after mine went thru.

[Truglivartna]

[/QUOTE] the jim stone thing isn't much, it just says,
it looked like a controlled dive.

It has now been determined that the descent was a perfectly controlled full throttle dive of a perfectly working aircraft straight into the side of a mountain. And I know how it happened, details below.[/QUOTE]


I think you missed the point Jimstone was making. It was an UNCONTROLLED DIVE brought on via "Uninterruptible Autopilot"....sabotage, in other words, perhaps helped along by the two French fighters that were seen within seconds after the aircraft's explosion. It's called "Uninterruptible" because that's exactly what it is. It was originally designed to be totally uninterruptible by an aircraft hijacker so that the aircraft was left being entirely remotely controlled.

[Tesseract]

Reports of one of the pilots being locked out of the cockpit:



"The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer and then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer," the investigator, who is identified only as a senior military official, was quoted as saying.

"You can hear he is trying to smash the door down.

"We don't know yet the reason why one of the guys went out.

"But what is sure is that at the very end of the flight, the other pilot is alone and does not open the door."


Couldn't make it up. Or, maybe someone did. I suppose we'll find out soon.



source: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-26/germanwings-pilot-outside-cockpit-before-crash-report/6349546

[Hervé]

Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Autopilot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Honeywell_Uninterruptible_Autopilot)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Autopilot is a set of sub-routines aimed at defeating attempts at aircraft hijacking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_hijacking) by removing electrical power from an aircraft's flight deck, and irrevocably passing pilot authority to the autopilot and navigational computer for an automated landing at a safe airfield that can deal effectively with the incident.

History
In 2005, avionics supplier, Honeywell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeywell), was reported to be talking to both Boeing and Airbus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus) about fitting a device aimed at preventing a 9/11-style hijack. On 16 April 2003, Honeywell filed patent US7475851 B2, Method and apparatus for preventing an unauthorized flight of an aircraft (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=7475851). Airbus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus) and BAE Systems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems), had been working on the project with Honeywell. Development sped up after the September 11, 2001 attacks.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Honeywell_Uninterruptible_Autopilot#cite_note-1)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Honeywell_Uninterruptible_Autopilot#cite_note-2)

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A mechanical reason wouldn't prevent seasoned pilot from flying on the green light from their mechanics.

Hacking of their targeted air travel company fly-by-wire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly-by-wire#Digital_systems) controls by unknown entities would...

[Flash]

the jim stone thing isn't much, it just says,
it looked like a controlled dive.

It has now been determined that the descent was a perfectly controlled full throttle dive of a perfectly working aircraft straight into the side of a mountain. And I know how it happened, details below.



I think you missed the point Jimstone was making. It was an UNCONTROLLED DIVE brought on via "Uninterruptible Autopilot"....sabotage, in other words, perhaps helped along by the two French fighters that were seen within seconds after the aircraft's explosion. It's called "Uninterruptible" because that's exactly what it is. It was originally designed to be totally uninterruptible by an aircraft hijacker so that the aircraft was left being entirely remotely controlled.

The way I read it was a Controlled dive, but not by the pilot, it was a hijacked controlled dive, to make sure everything is completely smashed up and that no bodies can be identified by sight.

I am looking for something else I have seen on the forum, and cannot find it. It was saying that there is a Nato exercise presently in the same area, the only war plane that indicated a plane was down was an italian one, nobody else put the distress signal out and that it might have been the usage of a liquid laser technique that was used and the target missed but the plane hit, because that kind of laser is difficult to control. However, this would not go with a controlled dive.

[Sophocles]

From The New york Times:


PARIS — As officials struggled Wednesday to explain why a jet with 150 people on board crashed in relatively clear skies, an investigator said evidence from a cockpit voice recorder indicated one pilot left the cockpit before the plane’s descent and was unable to get back in.

A senior military official involved in the investigation described “very smooth, very cool” conversation between the pilots during the early part of the flight from Barcelona to Düsseldorf. Then the audio indicated that one of the pilots left the cockpit and could not re-enter.

“The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,” the investigator said. “And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.”

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/europe/germanwings-airbus-crash.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

[Carmody]

Kinda reminds me of the time that BOTH engines failed on Merkel's Helicopter, just after she got off it.

Which is a statistical impossibility, due to how they are designed, on that particular craft.

Kinda like a warning.

This smells like it might be more of the same. A definite possibility.

[araucaria]

the jim stone thing isn't much, it just says,
it looked like a controlled dive.

It has now been determined that the descent was a perfectly controlled full throttle dive of a perfectly working aircraft straight into the side of a mountain. And I know how it happened, details below.



I think you missed the point Jimstone was making. It was an UNCONTROLLED DIVE brought on via "Uninterruptible Autopilot"....sabotage, in other words, perhaps helped along by the two French fighters that were seen within seconds after the aircraft's explosion. It's called "Uninterruptible" because that's exactly what it is. It was originally designed to be totally uninterruptible by an aircraft hijacker so that the aircraft was left being entirely remotely controlled.


The remote controlled dive would be something that the BBC graphic I posted above might be seeking to rule out. It also means that where the pilots were is immaterial, making the lockout scenario a mere diversion.

Question for you, Truglivartna. Jimstone says the crash happened at upwards of 600 mph, which strikes me as impossibly high – unless he means 600 km/h (373 mph) (unlikely?). The Flightradar24 data shows the plane slowing to 384 knots at 09:40:36, which is 442 mph. As I showed in an earlier post, the deceleration was decelerating and the data cuts off at a point where an acceleration may have been initiated. If the data is correct and an acceleration that we are not supposed to know about indeed occurred, the question then is, what would the final velocity be, and would it be enough to reduce the plane to (quote) ‘confetti’?

On another point: if the French government is involved, to understand what this entails, we need to factor in the likely possibility that the Charlie Hebdo massacre was made in reprisal against that government, very briefly for listening to Putin. The fighters may or may not have been helping the plane down. They may well have been there if not to prevent their civilian plane going down at least to monitor what was going on. The way to find out is to thread past the opera singers, schoolkids and other innocent victims and find the actual target(s) on the passenger list.

[seehas]

Ive seen pictures of wreckage parts on german newssites and that wasnt confetti eitner like 3 windows on one piece is quite big isnt it

[araucaria]

Ive seen pictures of wreckage parts on german newssites and that wasnt confetti eitner like 3 windows on one piece is quite big isnt it
That seems to be the one exception that proves the rule - I saw that piece too but I haven't seen any others. The fact remains that one rescuer was quoted as saying he found no people, just bits of people, no larger than a briefcase I believe was the phrase used. The point is that this isno normal crash scene, where you would usually find at least the tail section or a wing broken off and more or less intact.

[Roberta]

I'm not so sure that we'll find out soon... There seems to be a blackout on this crash. The truth is out there but they are not giving it to the public.

[Flash]

Maybe we should look into military exercises in the neighbourhood and new war equipment that might have been used, than the human/country target.

[Sophocles]

On a press conference it was just stated by the head of the french investigators that the co-pilot deliberately took down the plane.

Germanwings co-pilot appears to have deliberately downed plane, prosecutor says.

Link: http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.649032

Whatever happened, I think this will make it even more scarier to fly in the future.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

Yup the pilot apparently locked the other pilot out and took the plane down.

If I'm not mistaken.. the pilots have a way of getting into the cock pit when locked out. This information is withheld from the public for obvious reasons.
But here we go...

[Flash]

For a group of German pilots not wanting to fly the day after the accident, this means that they know that the pilot they know was not suicidal and did not take the plane down. It means they suspect something else entirely. They should be interviewed.

[thepainterdoug]

I'm reading of the possibility that the collider at CERN may have had something to do with this. The flight crashed during the week they were starting it up again . perhaps the incredible energy this machine puts out could have caused a disturbance in the electrical?? i don't know, just passing along the thought.

[araucaria]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

Yup the pilot apparently locked the other pilot out and took the plane down.

If I'm not mistaken.. the pilots have a way of getting into the cock pit when locked out. This information is withheld from the public for obvious reasons.
But here we go...
Here is a video explaining how the purser can get into the cockpit in an emergency. If she can do it, surely the pilot/copilot could have done so as well, if only by asking her although I'm not sure this would work with a suicidal pilot on the inside.
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[Truglivartna]

the jim stone thing isn't much, it just says,
it looked like a controlled dive.

It has now been determined that the descent was a perfectly controlled full throttle dive of a perfectly working aircraft straight into the side of a mountain. And I know how it happened, details below.



I think you missed the point Jimstone was making. It was an UNCONTROLLED DIVE brought on via "Uninterruptible Autopilot"....sabotage, in other words, perhaps helped along by the two French fighters that were seen within seconds after the aircraft's explosion. It's called "Uninterruptible" because that's exactly what it is. It was originally designed to be totally uninterruptible by an aircraft hijacker so that the aircraft was left being entirely remotely controlled.


The remote controlled dive would be something that the BBC graphic I posted above might be seeking to rule out. It also means that where the pilots were is immaterial, making the lockout scenario a mere diversion.

Question for you, Truglivartna. Jimstone says the crash happened at upwards of 600 mph, which strikes me as impossibly high – unless he means 600 km/h (373 mph) (unlikely?). The Flightradar24 data shows the plane slowing to 384 knots at 09:40:36, which is 442 mph. As I showed in an earlier post, the deceleration was decelerating and the data cuts off at a point where an acceleration may have been initiated. If the data is correct and an acceleration that we are not supposed to know about indeed occurred, the question then is, what would the final velocity be, and would it be enough to reduce the plane to (quote) ‘confetti’?

On another point: if the French government is involved, to understand what this entails, we need to factor in the likely possibility that the Charlie Hebdo massacre was made in reprisal against that government, very briefly for listening to Putin. The fighters may or may not have been helping the plane down. They may well have been there if not to prevent their civilian plane going down at least to monitor what was going on. The way to find out is to thread past the opera singers, schoolkids and other innocent victims and find the actual target(s) on the passenger list.

I'm not sure Jimstone is correct about the 600mph crash speed -- or that it matters that much. Even 300mph straight into the solid rock sidewall of a mountain, plus the resulting explosion of fuel tanks, would shred the flimsy (relatively speaking) structure of an aircraft's construction. We don't really know if the jet fighters were French or not at this point, so we don't know who else might be involved in the takeover and "suiciding" of the plane. It's pretty safe to assume that the same party or parties involved were probably the same as involved in the Malaysian flight destructions since both Boeing and AirBus aircraft of those models were known to have been fitted out with the Uninterruptible Autopilot features....the same as the aircraft and situation supposedly involved in the 9/11 affair.

Most commercial airline pilots would by now be familiar with the ability to hack into this Uninterruptible Autopilot feature, and the complete helplessness of the pilots operating the aircraft once it was activated. If I was a pilot for that particular German airline, you can be sure I wouldn't climb into any of that company's Airbus 320 aircraft without some very convincing proof that the "U.A." had been removed or completely disconnected. No small wonder none of them wanted to fly following the "accident"!

[araucaria]

I'm reading of the possibility that the collider at CERN may have had something to do with this. The flight crashed during the week they were starting it up again . perhaps the incredible energy this machine puts out could have caused a disturbance in the electrical?? i don't know, just passing along the thought.
Doug, see here:



CERN short circits at same time as plane crash! Additional PROOF CERN was the cause of this tragedy. link (http://video-video.beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/03/more-cern-backlash-no-survivors-expected-germanwings-plane-crash-near-cern-150-dead-germanwings-plane-dropped-from-the-sky-150-dead-flight-9525-video-video-video-3127280.html)

This site is all doom-and-gloom religious propaganda.
Below is a screenshot of early morning traffic (c. 7.30 local time) showing just how many planes are much closer to Cern, notably around Geneva, Lyon and Grenoble. Why would none of these planes be hit but one 200 miles away? It makes no sense.

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Added:
The public prosecutor in Marseille has stated today that the copilot deliberately pressed buttons to put the plane in descent mode with destructive intent.
http://www.liberation.fr/societe/2015/03/24/crash-d-un-airbus-a320-pres-de-barcelonnette_1227268

So the official story is going to be suicide, and it will probably be correct, but no necessarily watertight. Any lie would be one of omission: see what suicide motives are put forward, I doubt if mind control will be one of them. But you can remote control a pilot just as easily as you can remote control an Airbus.

We are asked to transpose the idea of a mother committing suicide while killing her children to an airline pilot taking 150 people with him. The former has happened so why not the latter? Well maybe that too happens, but don’t try convincing me that a normal, healthy society produces normal, healthy people acting in this way. Whether such events are steered by individuals or remotely controlled by certain groups is ultimately neither here nor there. If the former is the case, that would merely mean that we have reached the stage where our civilization as a whole is in “a perfectly controlled full throttle dive” and about to hit the schist, that hardest of rocks.

[panopticon]

German transport minister just announced that it seems plausible that co-pilot deliberately crashed plane (Marseilles prosecutor seems to agree).
Co-pilot Andreas Lubitz, 28, had sole control of the flight at the time and it appears he refused to re-open the door of the cockpit for the pilot and then deliberately crashed the flight.

-- Pan

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-26/germanwings-co-pilot-crashed-plane-deliberately-prosecutor-says/6351854

[awakeningmom]

MSM is now reporting that the plane was intentionally brought down by the 28 year old co-pilot, Andreas Lubitz, a German national, who supposedly locked the captain out of the cockpit. Hmm...how long until this co-pilot is supposedly identified as being connected to ISIS or some "anti-western" group in the Ukraine? And how many stories will we see reminding people that pilots should never leave the cockpit b/c of 911, etc.... ? I smell a psy op.

[Hervé]

Let's see...

The emergency was declared by the guys monitoring the flight when they got no responses from the pilots... that would have gotten fighter jets to scramble from the closest air force base or any flying jets close by.

What fails to make sense is this (see post # 42 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80972-Germanwings-flight-4U9525-crash-in-Southern-France&p=946448&viewfull=1#post946448)): why wasn't that fail-safe procedure engaged for a definitely hijacked airplane, be it heart attack or suicidal impulse?

That plane wasn't remotely controlled to counter a hijack... therefore, that counter-hijack system is totally useless, or... totally effective in crashing targeted planes!

[panopticon]

Let's see...

The emergency was declared by the guys monitoring the flight when they got no responses from the pilots... that would have gotten fighter jets to scramble from the closest air force base or any flying jets close by.

What fails to make sense is this (see post # 42 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80972-Germanwings-flight-4U9525-crash-in-Southern-France&p=946448&viewfull=1#post946448)): why wasn't that fail-safe procedure engaged for a definitely hijacked airplane, be it heart attack or suicidal impulse?

That plane wasn't remotely controlled to counter a hijack... therefore, that counter-hijack system is totally useless, or... totally effective in crashing targeted planes!

Just throwing out a random thought...

The length of time between the pilot leaving the cockpit (possibly to go to the toilet) and the crash, may not have been sufficient for a problem to be noticed and/or action to be taken (by air traffic controllers etc).

I haven't been following details of this crash but remember vaguely somewhere it being said that the co-pilots details hadn't been released.
It stuck in my mind because it sounded like the names of the pilot & other crew etc had been announced.
Is this accurate? Again, I've not been following this and that just stuck as seeming a bit peculiar.

-- Pan

[turiya]

Just my 2 cents.

An elecromagnetic pulse wave has been known to knock out electronics, stop cars moving, take out power grids, etc. From what is understood about this type of aircraft, it is the one that contained the most state-of-the-art electronics equipment in its class. Could be that a strong electromagnetic pulse wave could be the reason to prevent the pilot from regaining access to the cockpit door, especially if it was tied into an electronic circuitry. Co-pilot not responding to the pilot during the time he was trying to break back into the cockpit could simply be because the co-pilot had his hands full (mind focused on) trying to get the plane back up to speed and flying horizontally again, as the automatic pilot could have be suddenly taken out by the same electromagnetic wave pulse.

Its been said that at the time of the Roswell crash, the military was testing a Manhattan Project type of electromagnetic generator in that area of the desert that could be used to cloak aircraft from radar. This is supposed what brought down several alien space craft unexpectedly. The Large Hadron Collider is capable of putting out a large electromagnet field similar to that which was being done in the Manhattan Project - to cloak a naval ship from being detected via radar system. A great disaster resulting from scientists playing with energy manipulating magnetic transformers. The military/scientist will learn from such mistakes. Taking down UFOs was done by accident. The scientists at Cern would know perfectly well whether their "little toy" would be capable of taking down aircraft in the vicinity. A flawed, fairly large electromagnetic magnet may have been what resulted in an unexpected electromagnetic pulsed wave in the direction of the flying airbus.

Cern was running at the time the airbus went down & shut down within hours of the fatal crash. I'm sure they will learn from this mistake as well - a new powerful weapon that will be handed over to the military.

Pardon, if the following video has already been posted.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUXXdtH-Tsc

[Carmody]

For a group of German pilots not wanting to fly the day after the accident, this means that they know that the pilot they know was not suicidal and did not take the plane down. It means they suspect something else entirely. They should be interviewed.

after 9/11, the grounding of all planes, was possibly about (rumored) removing all the key connectivity components of the remote fly capacities of the Boeing planes.

The story goes that the airbus planes still had them, it was left intact, due to security features being more robust. The German planes being on the ground for an extra day, might be long enough to remove the primary connection points on their airbus planes that have remote control capacity.

Regarding the idea of an ability to get back into the cabin, it might be a purely mechanical system that the pilot and co-piolt both know about. a secret of that nature, known to thousands, would be difficult to keep. In order to be failproof, it has to be mechanical. Otherwise it is useless. An aspect of a failproof system that is mechanical in nature, is that locking this secondary access point off, from inside the cockpit, is indeed a possibility. It depends on who is in the cockpit and how the manufacturer of the plane decides they want the whole contraption to function. Whether they wanted a back up system, or a back up system for their back up system. And those would be closely held details, for airbus.

[panopticon]

Co-pilot not responding to the pilot during the time he was trying to break back into the cockpit could simply be because the co-pilot had his hands full (mind focused on) trying to get the plane back up to speed and flying horizontally again.


It's been reported that as part of the safety procedures the cabin can be accessed via an override keypad.

It appears that the co-pilot would have had to deliberately lock the pilot out of the cockpit in that instance.

The "lock" mechanism in the cockpit, to override the keypad access, is there to protect the cockpit in the case of a cabin crew member being coerced in a terrorist incident.

ixEHV7c3VXs
-- Pan

[syrwong]

At first I thought, no! this wouldn't be another conspiracy? As it develops, it is very much like conspiracy one more time. Are we that easily led to believe suicidal pilots like to carry hundreds of innocent lives with him? It must have happened quite a few times when air disasters were blamed on pilots commiting suicide (this was raised as a possibility in MH370). I don’t this is valid. It is like a suicidal chef would want to poison all restaurant customers with cyanide before he goes.
More likely the copilot lost consciousness and if there was a way to get in from the outside, the mechanism had been tampered with.
I don’t believe all things could disintegrate into small pieces, even if the collision speed was 600 mph. Over-dramatization is employed too often in conspiracy cases to convince the public, such as two planes could bring down two towers in one day, whereas the correct reasoning is that because there must be variations of factors , even the first tower fell, the second tower should still stand the “impact”. Common sense is contradicted too often and by accepting these nonsenses that one day we will all lose our common sense.

[Sophocles]

Regarding the suicide theory:


Abstract:
Vuorio A, Laukkala T, Navathe P, Budowle B, Eyre A, Sajantila A. Aircraft-assisted pilot suicides: lessons to be learned. Aviat Space Environ Med 2014; 85:841–6.

Aircraft assisted suicides were studied in the United States, United Kingdom, Germany, and Finland during 1956-2012 by means of literature search and accident case analysis. According to our study the frequency varied slightly between the studies. Overall, the new estimate of aircraft assisted suicides in the United States in a 20-yr period (1993-2012) is 0.33% (95% CI 0.21-0.49) (24/7244). In the detailed accident case analysis, it was found that in five out of the eight cases from the United States, someone knew of prior suicidal ideation before the aircraft assisted fatality. The caveats of standard medico-legal autopsy and accident investigation methods in investigation of suspected aircraft assisted suicides are discussed. It is suggested that a psychological autopsy should be performed in all such cases. Also the social context and possibilities of the prevention of aviation-related suicides were analyzed. In addition, some recent aircraft assisted suicides carried out using commercial aircraft during scheduled services and causing many casualties are discussed.

Link: http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/asma/asem/2014/00000085/00000008/art00010

[turiya]

Co-pilot not responding to the pilot during the time he was trying to break back into the cockpit could simply be because the co-pilot had his hands full (mind focused on) trying to get the plane back up to speed and flying horizontally again.


It's been reported that as part of the safety procedures the cabin can be accessed via an override keypad.

It appears that the co-pilot would have had to deliberately lock the pilot out of the cockpit in that instance.

The "lock" mechanism in the cockpit, to override the keypad access, is there to protect the cockpit in the case of a cabin crew member being coerced in a terrorist incident.

-- Pan

Or, like I said, the co-pilot had his plate absolutely full at the time trying to keep the airbus up to speed & getting the plane flying horizontal again - as the automatic pilot could have been taken offline by a pulsed electromagnetic wave. No time to manually get up from his seat and open the door manually, as the plane is noted to have been descending at a rate of up to 5000 feet a minute.

[araucaria]

Just my 2 cents.

An elecromagnetic pulse wave has been known to knock out electronics, stop cars moving, take out power grids, etc. From what is understood about this type of aircraft, it is the one that contained the most state-of-the-art electronics equipment in its class. Could be that a strong electromagnetic pulse wave could be the reason to prevent the pilot from regaining access to the cockpit door, especially if it was tied into an electronic circuitry. Co-pilot not responding to the pilot during the time he was trying to break back into the cockpit could simply be because the co-pilot had his hands full (mind focused on) trying to get the plane back up to speed and flying horizontally again, as the automatic pilot could have be suddenly taken out by the same electromagnetic wave pulse.

Its been said that at the time of the Roswell crash, the military was testing a Manhattan Project type of electromagnetic generator in that area of the desert that could be used to cloak aircraft from radar. This is supposed what brought down several alien space craft unexpectedly. The Large Hadron Collider is capable of putting out a large electromagnet field similar to that which was being done in the Manhattan Project - to cloak a naval ship from being detected via radar system. A great disaster resulting from scientists playing with energy manipulating magnetic transformers. The military/scientist will learn from such mistakes. Taking down UFOs was done by accident. The scientists at Cern would know perfectly well whether their "little toy" would be capable of taking down aircraft in the vicinity. A flawed, fairly large electromagnetic magnet may have been what resulted in an unexpected electromagnetic pulsed wave in the direction of the flying airbus.

Cern was running at the time the airbus went down & shut down within hours of the fatal crash. I'm sure they will learn from this mistake as well - a new powerful weapon that will be handed over to the military.

Pardon, if the following video has already been posted.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUXXdtH-Tsc
The Airbus 320 may be different from other craft, but there are something like 3,600 Airbus 320s flying, which are notably a favourite for lowcost short-haul flights across Europe. I have flown over the Alps in them several times myself. The question is, why this particular craft, which was 200 miles away, and not all the others passing much closer every day?

[Flash]

Intuition, intuition

tells me that the crash has something to do with the increase tension around Nato and Russia, and around military exercises and trial of new technologies. Not with CERN or suicidal actions.

http://www.euronews.com/2015/03/16/nato-holds-naval-exercises-in-the-black-sea/

[QUOTE][/


NATO has held a series of naval exercises in the Black Sea off the Romanian coast, ahead of the one year anniversary of Russia’ annexation of Crimea.

Warships of from six NATO countries – the US, Canada, Turkey, Germany, Italy and Romania – took part just 300 kilometers of Crimea.

The alliance stresses no additional plans were after Russia increased its Russian military presence in this region.

However NATO is sending a serious message by not cancelling the exercises, euronews’ Andrei Beketov reports.

The Romanian air force work with the vessels to simulate anti-air and anti-submarine warfare. The whole operation is led from the USS Vicksburg.

“Obviously the situation here is very unfortunate. And so coming here demonstrate that three NATO allies that we have in the Black Sea – Turkey Bulgaria and Romania – are very valuable members of the alliance. And its just as important that we come and train with them,” said US Rear Admiral Brad Williamson.

The exercise sees a Russian jet flying over at low altitude.

Russian air and naval approaches are closely monitored by ships radars and sonars.

Moscow has accused NATO of “war games”, saying that they could have serious consequences for the settlement of the Ukraine conflict.

Last week, Russia’s defence ministry said it had begun large scale military exercises.
QUOTE]

[turiya]

Just my 2 cents.

An elecromagnetic pulse wave has been known to knock out electronics, stop cars moving, take out power grids, etc. From what is understood about this type of aircraft, it is the one that contained the most state-of-the-art electronics equipment in its class. Could be that a strong electromagnetic pulse wave could be the reason to prevent the pilot from regaining access to the cockpit door, especially if it was tied into an electronic circuitry. Co-pilot not responding to the pilot during the time he was trying to break back into the cockpit could simply be because the co-pilot had his hands full (mind focused on) trying to get the plane back up to speed and flying horizontally again, as the automatic pilot could have be suddenly taken out by the same electromagnetic wave pulse.

Its been said that at the time of the Roswell crash, the military was testing a Manhattan Project type of electromagnetic generator in that area of the desert that could be used to cloak aircraft from radar. This is supposed what brought down several alien space craft unexpectedly. The Large Hadron Collider is capable of putting out a large electromagnet field similar to that which was being done in the Manhattan Project - to cloak a naval ship from being detected via radar system. A great disaster resulting from scientists playing with energy manipulating magnetic transformers. The military/scientist will learn from such mistakes. Taking down UFOs was done by accident. The scientists at Cern would know perfectly well whether their "little toy" would be capable of taking down aircraft in the vicinity. A flawed, fairly large electromagnetic magnet may have been what resulted in an unexpected electromagnetic pulsed wave in the direction of the flying airbus.

Cern was running at the time the airbus went down & shut down within hours of the fatal crash. I'm sure they will learn from this mistake as well - a new powerful weapon that will be handed over to the military.

Pardon, if the following video has already been posted.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUXXdtH-Tsc
The Airbus 320 may be different from other craft, but there are something like 3,600 Airbus 320s flying, which are notably a favourite for lowcost short-haul flights across Europe. I have flown over the Alps in them several times myself. The question is, why this particular craft, which was 200 miles away, and not all the others passing much closer every day?

Only a knowledgeable electromagnetic Cern scientist, that would be well versed with the effects of a malfunctioning very large electro-magnet, or several magnets, would know if a strongly pulsed electromagnetic wave could be unexpectedly launched in an undetermined direction, would know this.

The take down of UFOs at Roswell was also an unexpected outcome that literally 'fell' into their laps.

[panopticon]

It's been reported that as part of the safety procedures the cabin can be accessed via an override keypad.

It appears that the co-pilot would have had to deliberately lock the pilot out of the cockpit in that instance.

The "lock" mechanism in the cockpit, to override the keypad access, is there to protect the cockpit in the case of a cabin crew member being coerced in a terrorist incident.

-- Pan

Or, like I said, the co-pilot had his plate absolutely full at the time trying to keep the airbus up to speed & getting the plane flying horizontal again - as the automatic pilot could have been taken offline by a pulsed electromagnetic wave. No time to manually get up from his seat and open the door manually, as the plane is noted to have been descending at a rate of up to 5000 feet a minute.
The co-pilot would not have had to leave his seat.
After the pilot enters the key for access the co-pilot would have to deliberately deny access before the 30 second timer had finished.
After 30 seconds the pilot would have had access.

ixEHV7c3VXs
As it all appears to be electronic it may have been disabled though it is strange if that was the case that it didn't show up on the cockpit voice recorder.

Also, no reports of a last statement or anything like that so I'm a tad confused by this one.

Electronic failure leading to loss of cabin pressure and door lock mechanism failure?

Seems a stretch but so does silent suicide by a seemingly healthy young bloke...

-- Pan

[araucaria]

The take down of UFOs at Roswell was also an unexpected outcome that literally 'fell' into their laps.
My point was that if the Roswell incident was caused from the ground, then all the UFOs in the vicinity likely got hit, and if not all, then proportionately a much higher percentage than the Airbus 320s getting swatted as they buzz over Geneva. And incidentally, if CERN were to blame, then any comparison with Airbus 320 crashes elsewhere in the world would become pointless. Also I think that we are talking about the side-effects of Cern's official activity; in which case you would expect a safety regulation to be in place. I hardly think any CERN scientists would sit on that information - after all, they are some of the regular users of Geneva Airport.

[turiya]

The take down of UFOs at Roswell was also an unexpected outcome that literally 'fell' into their laps.
My point was that if the Roswell incident was caused from the ground, then all the UFOs in the vicinity likely got hit, and if not all, then proportionately a much higher percentage than the Airbus 320s getting swatted as they buzz over Geneva. And incidentally, if CERN were to blame, then any comparison with Airbus 320 crashes elsewhere in the world would become pointless. Also I think that we are talking about the side-effects of Cern's official activity; in which case you would expect a safety regulation to be in place. I hardly think any CERN scientists would sit on that information - after all, they are some of the regular users of Geneva Airport.

Yes, I understand your point. I am not a physicist by any means. However, the incident at Roswell did not involve such an elaborate set-up as the largest machine in the world had - using very powerful electromagnets. My sense is if one of the magnets lost it function then that could have made the pulse unexpectedly more highly directional in nature.

Certainly, the LHC was running at the time in order to make the determination that an electromagnet had malfunctioned. And it is known that it shut down within a couple hours after the airbus went down. One has to consider that it was not just a coincidence.

[Hervé]

Oooops, I might have it all wrong (post #60 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80972-Germanwings-flight-4U9525-crash-in-Southern-France&p=946590&viewfull=1#post946590)): the ATC only sent something out when the plane disappeared (=crashed) from its radar and asking pilots in the area if there is anything they could spot.


Ok, lets just clear this up...

MM7168 (NOT the Airbus) squawks 7700 at 09:35 GMT, which is 10:35am Central European Time (Promise!) just to the East in Northern Italy.

The Airbus, started the rapid descent at 09:31 GMT, or 10:31 CET.

We're confident that there's zero connection?
@AreOut of course, every page of this thread is pure speculation!

"MM7168 would fly with its transponder on and it would be seen on ATC radar anyway" - I'm not sure what point you're making?

One jet descends and crashes, the other declares an emergency, within 5 minutes of each other in the same area both at FL350. Those are the facts. The plane that crashed was about Marseilles' vertical when it started its dive... so, please, leave CERN out of the picture...

[araucaria]

I just saw on BFMTV that the copilot was trained at the Lufthansa Flight Training facility in Phoenix Arizona, and that he interrupted his training for several months. They have half a dozen facilities closer to home; interesting that he should go to the US, and interesting that he should go AWOL. What else is there to do in Phoenix Arizona, I wonder.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lufthansa_Flight_Training

[Flash]

Here it is


[/http://www.stripes.com/news/us/3-american-victims-in-germanwings-crash-include-federal-contractor-daughter-1.336538

WASHINGTON — Three Americans were presumed dead in the plane crash in the southern French Alps, including a U.S. government contractor and her daughter, the State Department said Wednesday.

Identified victims were Yvonne Selke of Nokesville, Va., an employee for 23 years at Booz Allen Hamilton Inc. in Washington, and her daughter, Emily, a recent graduate of Drexel University in Philadelphia. The U.S. government has not yet identified the third American it said was on the plane.

Yvonne Selke performed work under contract with the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon's satellite mapping office, Booz Allen and the Defense Department confirmed in statements after the AP had reported her identity and employment.

"Every death is a tragedy, but seldom does a death affect us all so directly and unexpectedly," NGA Director Robert Cardillo said. "All of us offer our deepest condolences and will keep her family and her colleagues in our thoughts."

Booz Allen's chief personnel officer, Betty Thompson, described Selke as "a wonderful co-worker and a dedicated employee who spent her career with the firm."

Friends and co-workers of Selke's circulated a photograph of her showing a smiling, middle-aged woman with brown hair and eyeglasses, and a photo of Emily showing a blond young woman with dark eyes and a bright smile. They described Selke as a diligent and generous worker who regularly brought cookies to co-workers.

A person who answered the phone at Selke's home said the family was not providing any information.

Emily Selke was a "go-getter" who was interested in festival management while in school, said Xela Batchelder, a Drexel professor who taught her. Batchelder said Emily Selke participated in Fringe University, which holds courses around the Edinburgh Fringe Festival, an arts festival in Scotland. She also helped put together the Pittsburgh Fringe Festival.

"She just kept being a self-learner even after school," Batchelder said. "We're just really upset, and we'll really miss her and she's just an amazing person."

Alex Tyler, who was a friend at Drexel, sent a statement to the AP that she said was written by a group of her close friends.

"Emily was a truly amazing woman, and we were honored to have her in our lives," the statement said. "She was an incredibly fun person who never shied away from a challenge. Emily grew our hearts with acceptance of everyone and grew our minds with new music and her love of travel. She was a light that shined in our lives, and we will always remember her with a smile on her face and a funny story to share."

Drexel University said in a statement that Emily Selke graduated with honors in 2013 and was a music industry major. Her sorority at Drexel, Gamma Sigma Sigma, said in a statement on its Facebook page with a photo of Emily that it was mourning her loss and said she "always put others before herself and cared deeply for all those in her life."


State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said the U.S. was reviewing records to determine whether any other U.S. citizens might have been on board the flight.

"We extend our deepest condolences to the families and loved ones of the 150 people on board," Psaki said.

Further details about Yvonne Selke's work for the secretive Pentagon agency were not immediately available. Most information about her assignment and contact information had already been removed Wednesday from Booz Allen's internal network.

The Germanwings A320 lost radio contact with air traffic controllers over the southern French Alps during a seemingly routine flight Tuesday from Barcelona, Spain, to Duesseldorf, Germany, before crashing, killing all 150 on board.

French officials said terrorism appeared unlikely, and Germany's top security official said Wednesday there was no evidence of foul play. French investigators were opening the jet's mangled black box they recovered, hoping the cockpit recordings inside would help them unlock the mystery of what caused the crash.

[Hervé]

Delta pilot locked out of cockpit during landing (http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/30/travel/feat-delta-captain-lockout/)

http://www.boston.com/travel/2015/01/30/pilot-locked-out-cockpit-during-delta-flight/CV9B8NBqlrC5eRGZtiDsdP/story.html

A statement (http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/morning_call/2015/01/delta-pilot-locked-out-of-cockpit.html) from Atlanta-based Delta (NYSE: DAL) says the captain was not able to enter the flight deck during a Thursday flight due to a safety door jam, reports Minnesota's WCCO-TV. (http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/01/29/delta-pilot-locked-out-of-cockpit-in-flight-from-mn-to-las-vegas/)

Air India pilot locked out of cockpit after toilet break (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-22528431)

Pilot locked out of cockpit while co-pilot slept (http://www.pilotcareernews.com/pilot-locked-out-of-cockpit-while-co-pilot-slept/)

[DaRkViPeR]

My opinion is that the co-pilot was under heavy mind control. According to his friends and co-workers he was a cheerful guy and happy with his job.
Based on those facts I rule out suicide and blame it on possible mind control.
According to the authorities they are going to do a deep investigation on his life,family,friends and religion.
I bet that somewhere along the line they will find something that will connect him to suicide or terrorism.
It will just be another false flag event to cover up the motives of TPTB.

[Hervé]

There is also another avenue to consider and that is: Pilots medications

You know, keeping awake, getting some sleep... which means an endless series of stimulants and sedatives...

I was made aware of that from someone on this forum who forwarded that such drugs also get to affect someone's mental health or normal functioning with dire side effects.

[outerheaven]

I find it interesting that the released picture of the co-pilot has him with the Golden Gate Bridge in the background.

Consider the symbolism here. The Golden Gate Bridge is the most popular suicide site in the USA and apparently the second-most popular suicide site in the world.

What a coincidence!

IMO this story is loaded with symbolism and who knows, maybe even some predictive programming as well. Not trying to be an alarmist, but the inclusion of the Golden Gate Bridge is slightly chilly to me.

[Hervé]

Official statement:


Details from the first report submitted by the French to the German government revealed that at 10.31am, the 24-year-old Airbus A320 left its assigned altitude and began dropping towards the ground at a speed of 3,500ft per minute, before smashing into a ravine at 6,200ft. The report said controllers tried three times on an assigned radio frequency to contact the pilots before switching to international emergency channels. No one answered and a French Mirage fighter jet was scrambled.
Controllers' attempts to contact pilots after radio silence:

Air traffic controllers made several failed attempts to contact the pilots of the doomed Germanwings plane in the minutes after losing radio communication with the cockpit, an air crash report revealed.

Germany's BILD newspaper published on its website details of the first report about the crash which it claims was submitted by the French to the German government after the disaster.

It states: 'Normal operating conditions for the French air traffic control. All technical systems were in normal operation.'

It corroborates earlier reports that contact with the pilots was lost at 10.31am, adding: 'Germanwings 4U9525 leaves its cruising altitude without informing French air traffic control and starts a descent at an average rate of decline observed by radar... of 3,500 feet per minute'.

Air traffic controllers attempted to establish 'wireless connection on the operating frequency which is not answered' by the cockpit, the report says.

Further attempts are made by radio contact on the international emergency frequency, but there was again no response.

At 10.35am, air traffic controllers 'raise the internationally standardized 'emergency level' (DETRESFA distress phase) and contacts the national headquarters of the French search and rescue service.'

One final and attempt is made to contact the pilots on the international emergency frequency a minute later, but that also fails.

The Germanwings flight disappeared from radar at 10.40am at an altitude of around 6,200ft, the report states.

Two minutes later - at 10.42am - air traffic control informs the national headquarters of the French search and rescue service about the loss of the radar target.

Two military helicopters are sent in the direction of the last known location, but are unable to detect the aircraft's emergency transmitter.


The cockpit recording showed the pilots speaking normally in German at the start of the flight, the source said, adding that it could not be determined if it was the captain or the first officer who left the cockpit.

[Bob]

There is also another avenue to consider and that is: Pilots medications

You know, keeping awake, getting some sleep... which means an endless series of stimulants and sedatives...

I was made aware of that from someone on this forum who forwarded that such drugs also get to affect someone's mental health or normal functioning with dire side effects.

Stroke and or seizure too, possibly accentuated by a stimulant.. does happen with young folk.. blood clot, DVT issues.. a prosecutor saying it was a suicide really is presumptuous, without a body.

stroke: http://greenwich.dailyvoice.com/lifestyle/brain-aneurysms-come-few-warning-signs-says-fairfield-county-expert

[araucaria]

There is also another avenue to consider and that is: Pilots medications

You know, keeping awake, getting some sleep... which means an endless series of stimulants and sedatives...

I was made aware of that from someone on this forum who forwarded that such drugs also get to affect someone's mental health or normal functioning with dire side effects.

Stroke and or seizure too, possibly accentuated by a stimulant.. does happen with young folk.. blood clot, DVT issues.. a prosecutor saying it was a suicide really is presumptuous, without a body.

stroke: http://greenwich.dailyvoice.com/lifestyle/brain-aneurysms-come-few-warning-signs-says-fairfield-county-expert
They said he was breathing normally right up to the end.

Added:
The problem with the suicide theory is of course the need to wait for a pilot with a weak enough bladder to answer a call of nature on a ninety-minute flight, suggesting that the co-pilot had been biding his time over a period of probably several days. Whether this odd combination of spur-of-the-moment opportunism and patiently determined premeditation makes any sense in a suicide case is a matter on which even the professionals might not agree.

[Sunny-side-up]

new reg's needed ha!
There should never be less than 2 crew in the cabin at any one time. If a pilot or co-pilot needs the loo then other crew member should sit in, that way if the pilot or co-pilot in the cabin has a health/incident (or bout of madness or mind-control etc) the other crew member could open the door for the pilot/co-pilot to return to the cabin!

[Carmody]

Germanwings plane crash: Co-pilot 'crashed deliberately'

27 minutes ago

A senior French prosecutor has told a press conference that the co-pilot of the Germanwings plane which crashed into the French Alps appears to have done it deliberately.

He described in detail what investigators had found on the cockpit voice recorder, saying that after the pilot left the cockpit to go to the toilet, then the German co-pilot Andreas Lubitz put the plane into an accelerated descent.

He did not to allow the captain back inside the cockpit. All 150 people on board were killed.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32064142

It seems to be potentially, following the pattern I thought I might see, earlier.

Another Merkel or euro warning, possibly to be spun into a "terrorists are everywhere!" agenda, for helping force paranoia into Europe, so they'll accept the yoke of having their affairs, directions, and outcomes......dictated to them by others.

"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." -- Rahm Emanuel

[Hervé]

Sure, it all make so much sense...

See, if I want to kill myself and all passengers and crew on board... so I make sure it takes as long as it can to get there... avoid any buildings and/or inhabited area because there is still some ethical guide lines left with suicides... and wait for that mountain to come right up... slow... steady... steady... keep calm... breath slowly... in... out... steadily... no panic nor excitement... steady... easy now... easy... here it comes... here we go!



[did I mention: sarcasm!]

[araucaria]

Another case of life copying fiction, i.e. fiction one step ahead? Les nouveaux sauvages, a movie shown at last years’ Cannes Film Festival, is about a psychopathic pilot who manages to fill a whole plane with people he has a grievance against before crashing it on two old people who are probably his parents.
http://next.liberation.fr/next/2015/03/26/un-crash-volontaire-deja-vu-au-cinema_1228949

[ThePythonicCow]

Germanwings plane crash: Co-pilot 'crashed deliberately'
See also this related thread Another false flag (the Germanwings plane crash; did the co-pilot intentionally crash it?) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81033-Another-false-flag--the-Germanwings-plane-crash-did-the-co-pilot-intentionally-crash-it--)

[One]

Personally I think a big factor could be antidepressants. I'm sure there are lots of articles out there such as below. I'd like to know what medication he was on or coming off (if applicable). Not read whole thread so apologies if mentioned already.

http://www.breggin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=55

[Sophocles]

This might be stretching it a bit, but here it goes...

If this is Ukraine-related and was meant to be a warning (the flight number starts with 4U, as in «for you»), the following could be relevant if, lets say, a war with Russia and/or dictating european foreign policy is the wanted outcome, IMO:

Mar. 23, 2015: (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/114-2015/h131)


H.Res. 162: Calling on the President to provide Ukraine with military assistance to defend its sovereignty and territorial integrity. (http://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20150323/MAS_087_xml.pdf)

Feb. 24, 2015:


The Ministers of foreign affairs of France, Germany, Russia and Ukraine met this morning in Paris, in accordance with the decision made by the Heads of State and Government of the “Normandie” format a week earlier.

We, the four Ministers call for the strict implementation of all provisions of the Minsk agreements starting from a comprehensive ceasefire and withdrawal of heavy weapons. (http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/country-files/ukraine/events-7684/article/ukraine-declaration-of-french)

Feb. 2, 2015:


German Chancellor Rules Out Weapons Aid to Ukraine (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/03/world/german-chancellor-rules-out-weapons-aid-to-ukraine.html)

German Chancellor Angela Merkel reiterated what has become her mantra ever since Russian tanks, men, and materiel began pouring over the border into Ukraine last spring. “I am convinced that this conflict cannot be solved militarily...” (https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/02/05/what-germany-owes-ukraine/)

June 24, 2014:


Spaniards often take a pacifist approach to the crisis (in Ukraine), ruling out any military response (http://www.ecfr.eu/article/commentary_spain_on_russia_and_ukraine_the_understanders_the_equidistan274) (and sometimes sanctions too) and emphasising diplomacy.

Anyway, while this is going on, USA is backing Saudi Arabia in its attack on Yemen (http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2015/03-overflow/20150325_yemen5.jpg), where 137 people were killed and 357 wounded last friday.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Germanwings plane crash: Co-pilot 'crashed deliberately'

27 minutes ago

A senior French prosecutor has told a press conference that the co-pilot of the Germanwings plane which crashed into the French Alps appears to have done it deliberately.

He described in detail what investigators had found on the cockpit voice recorder, saying that after the pilot left the cockpit to go to the toilet, then the German co-pilot Andreas Lubitz put the plane into an accelerated descent.

He did not to allow the captain back inside the cockpit. All 150 people on board were killed.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32064142

It seems to be potentially, following the pattern I thought I might see, earlier.

Another Merkel or euro warning, possibly to be spun into a "terrorists are everywhere!" agenda, for helping force paranoia into Europe, so they'll accept the yoke of having their affairs, directions, and outcomes......dictated to them by others.

"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." -- Rahm Emanuel

why not blame it on someone that is already dead... who's going to argue...

explaining a misfired weapon system gets really messy dealing with the public...


one question, if he was crashing the plane, why did he set off the signal...

the other pilot never made it back into the cockpit to do it...

[ThePythonicCow]

Joseph P. Farrell weighs in with his high octane speculation:
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He reports that France has asked for US assistance, and he speculates that this is a message from the "Western Elite" to France and Germany to quit blocking military aid to the Ukraine. He further speculates that if so, this could backfire, and further convince French and German leaders that their own security is at risk, if they don't remove the influence of the "Western Elite" (which I take to mean the Neocon-Zionist-Cabal-Bastards in power.)

My sense, which I see others sensing as well, is that these Neocon-Zionist-Cabal-Bastards are being setup for a major fall. They are "cut outs" and about to be "cut out", with war crime tribunals and with a collapse of the Federal Reserve's current control of the world's US Dollar based monetary system. For some years now, I and others have observed that, the last time we had a major shift in the center of world power, it took a couple of World Wars to bring the "energy" levels to the climax required to move the centers of power to the US Dollar, the US Military/Intelligence/Manufacturing/Finance complex, and to New York and Washington, DC. We hoped it would not take yet another, even bigger, World War to unleash the next transition. Humanity might not survive that. Perhaps we have already been experiencing the build up to the next transition, as more and more of the world, including even many Americans, and now, today, perhaps a bit more, French and German leaders, are increasingly ready to "Throw the Bastards Out", after their decades of unrelenting and horrific crimes against humanity, via food and water poisoning, mass surveillance, genocide by vaccines, weather control, drone strikes, false flags, unrelenting military strikes, theft of thousands of tons of gold, financial instruments of mass destruction, and on and on ...

This is not to say humanity wins; but rather just to say that we might be witnessing, with this Germanwings crash, one more detail in the transition of power, once again, from one gang (who will be painted as the bad guys, as bad as Hitler) to the next gang (who will be painted as the good guys and conquering heros, at least initially.)

[ThePythonicCow]

one question, if he was crashing the plane, why did he set off the signal...
What signal?

[Hervé]

Germanwings 4U9525 accident investigation: IFALPA strongly condemns leaking of CVR data (http://www.4-traders.com/news/Germanwings-4U9525-accident-investigation-IFALPA-strongly-condemns-leaking-of-CVR-data--20093655/)

03/26/2015 | 11:24am US/Eastern

The International Federation of Air Line Pilots’ Associations (IFALPA) deplores and condemns yesterday's leaking of certain elements of the Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR) of the Germanwings flight 4U9525.

Not only do these leaks contravene the internationally agreed principles of accident investigation confidentiality set out in ICAO Annex 13, they are also a breach of trust to all those involved in the investigation and to the families of the victims. Furthermore, leaks of this nature greatly harm flight safety since they invite ill-informed speculation from the media and the general public and discourage co-operation with investigators in future accidents.

IFALPA once again stresses that the sole purpose of a CVR is to aid investigators in determining the factors leading to an accident and not to apportion blame or be used outside of its safety context. CVR details should only be publicly released following a thorough and complete investigation of the events that occurred, and not prematurely during the course of the field portion of the accident investigation, underway for less than 48 hours.

Leaking premature, unanalyzed, and partial CVR recordings, which lack the context of the entire body of factual investigative data, severely interferes with the investigative process, and can only lead to early conclusions on what exactly occurred during the time leading up to the accident. Any other use of CVR data is not only invalid, but is an unacceptable invasion of privacy best described as a search for sensationalism and voyeurism of the worst kind.

It is vital for the investigating body to ensure all information under their control is properly handled until the completion of the investigation.

In this early stage of the investigation, many critical questions remain to be answered, and IFALPA stresses the need for an objective accident investigation process through the collection of all the facts needed to draw an accurate analysis of events. Once again, IFALPA’s resources are at the disposal of the Accident Investigation Agencies to achieve these aims.

Note to Editors: The International Federation of Air Line Pilots’ Associations represents in excess of 100,000 pilots in more than 100 countries world-wide. IFALPA’s mission is to be the global voice of airline pilots, promoting the highest level of aviation safety and security world-wide and providing services, support and representation to all of its Member Associations.

See the Federation website www.ifalpa.org (http://cts.businesswire.com/ct/CT?id=smartlink&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ifalpa.org&esheet=51067216&newsitemid=20150326005947&lan=en-US&anchor=www.ifalpa.org&index=1&md5=be0d08a5b6115f3947a5eb9ef244a3a2)

©2015 The International Federation of Air Line Pilots’ Associations
In the interests of flight safety, reproduction of this Press Release in whole or in part is encouraged.
It may not be offered of sale or used commercially. All reprints must credit IFALPA.


http://cts.businesswire.com/ct/CT?id=bwnews&sty=20150326005947r1&sid=9129&distro=ftp

[Hervé]

The automated airplane

The A320, the Germanwings model that crashed over the French Alps, is a highly automated airplane. Computers control almost everything - and these computers could be hacked, experts say.


http://www.dw.de/image/0,,18336226_303,00.jpg (http://www.dw.de/the-automated-airplane/a-18341317#)


One of the black boxes from Germanwings flight 4U9525 has been recovered. It's damaged, but officials say it can still be used to retrieve information. That's a relief, because so far, no one knows what happens to the plane that crashed in the French Alps en route from Barcelona to Düsseldorf.

A fact that's undisputed is that the Airbus 320, the downed Germanwings model, is a highly computerized plane. But this by no means renders this aircraft immune to accidents - only months prior to the Germanwings crash one of Airbus' best-selling airplanes went down over the Java Sea: The AirAsia flight that crashed in December 2014 en route from Indonesia to Singapore was an A320-200.

The computer-controlled plane


http://www.dw.de/image/0,,18341048_404,00.jpg (http://www.dw.de/the-automated-airplane/a-18341317#)
Experts are looking to the plane's black box for answers


Aircraft models from the A320 family rely on aviation software to a much higher degree than most Boeing models.

"The A320 is an almost complete fly-by-wire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly-by-wire#Digital_systems) system, which means that the computers actually fly the aeroplane," David Stupples, professor for electronic and radio systems at City University London, told DW. "The computer has absolute control over most things."

There are several computer systems on board the plane, such as interfaces for navigation and communication. They are all connected to the central system that controls the aircraft. This means that each A320 is carrying a huge network of computers with highly complex software.

The software is provided directly by Airbus and is updated regularly to meet the necessary technical and security standards. What’s more, everything in the plane's computer systems is "triplicated," Stupples explained.

"It's not a single computer that controls everything, because if that computer failed, you'd have a real problem," the electronic systems expert said. "They have three computer systems doing the same job for most of the time. And they work on a voting system. That means that two computers have to "agree" on an action. If the third one differs, it is ignored." [Minority Report]

How to hack an aircraft
With these precautionary measures, the computerized aircraft seems safe. But, says Stupples, it could still be hacked. According to the professor, there are two opportunities to feed malware into the closed computer system.

First, hackers could upload a virus during the plane's software update, because for this, an external data-line has to be established. The second way is even more direct:


http://www.dw.de/image/0,,18341230_404,00.jpg (http://www.dw.de/the-automated-airplane/a-18341317#)
Stupples says it's difficult but not impossible to hack an airplane


"The Airbus has an electronics bay beneath the cockpit where all of the navigation computers are located," Stupples said. "So if you could get in there with a USB-stick, you could inject malware into the system."

Trying to sneak a virus into a plane's system while its software is updating or physically connecting a USB-stick with malware to an aircraft's computer is no easy feat though. One would have to be a highly knowledgeable hacker to overcome, for example, the "triplification" of the aircraft's computer system.

And it would be impossible for an outsider to gain the necessary levels of access, Stupples said. So the hacker would have to be an employee.

Hacking likely not a factor in Germanwings crash
In the case of the downed Germanwings A320, politicians are saying that an outside attack was probably not the cause for the crash. France's interior minister Bernard Cazeneuve said that all possibilities had to be explored, but that a terrorist attack was not the most likely scenario.

Stupples, who worked in the aviation industry for several decades before coming to City University London, also doesn't believe that Germanwings' A320 crashed because of a hacker attack. One of the reasons he gave: the lack of communication from the cockpit.

The malware would have had to sabotage the navigation system to make the plane descend while prohibiting the pilots from overriding the board computers. At the same time it would have had to disable the communication systems so the pilots couldn't send out a distress call. "That's virtually impossible," Stupples said.

The public will have to wait for the evaluation of the cockpit's voice recorder to learn more about what happened to flight 4U9525.


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The malware would have had to sabotage the navigation system to make the plane descend while prohibiting the pilots from overriding the board computers. At the same time it would have had to disable the communication systems so the pilots couldn't send out a distress call. "That's virtually impossible," Stupples said.Very detailed and technical piece of... misdirection!

Why?

It totally ignores, OMITS this:


Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Autopilot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Honeywell_Uninterruptible_Autopilot)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Autopilot is a set of sub-routines aimed at defeating attempts at aircraft hijacking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_hijacking) by removing electrical power from an aircraft's flight deck, and irrevocably passing pilot authority to the autopilot and navigational computer for an automated landing at a safe airfield that can deal effectively with the incident.

History
In 2005, avionics supplier, Honeywell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeywell), was reported to be talking to both Boeing and Airbus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus) about fitting a device aimed at preventing a 9/11-style hijack. On 16 April 2003, Honeywell filed patent US7475851 B2, Method and apparatus for preventing an unauthorized flight of an aircraft (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=7475851). Airbus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus) and BAE Systems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems), had been working on the project with Honeywell. Development sped up after the September 11, 2001 attacks.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Honeywell_Uninterruptible_Autopilot#cite_note-1)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Honeywell_Uninterruptible_Autopilot#cite_note-2)Now, how do you do this:


removing electrical power from an aircraft's flight deck, and irrevocably passing pilot authority to the autopilot and navigational computer for an automated landing at a safe airfield that can deal effectively with the incident....when neither hijackers nor pilots are in control of the flight path and landing location and approach and it's all in the "hands" of an autopilot?

See the problem there?

PS: If there ever was a symbolic message sent by the illumiloonies, to go in the direction of J.P. Farrell, it would be the "clipping of the German Wings."

[Hervé]

From another forum:


Next Gen Cockpits are Coming
I work for a well known giant aerospace avionics company that is now drafting preliminary designs for the next generation cockpit of the future. The new generation cockpits targeted to be incorporated with newer airplane designs of 15 years from now, will prove as innovative in the 2030's as when today's computerized cockpits were when eliminating the Flight Engineer back in the 1980's.

Although details are still in the preliminary design phase, the innovative concept being worked on is to place the PIC in the airplane while placing the second in command on the ground. Both would be capable of equal control of the airplane if necessary, and either pilot would have a relief airman when with long range flights. Such a concept along with other benefit's, would almost certainly insure a survivor /witness in every crash.

[mosquito]

I don't wish to speculate on the causes of this disaster, but simply wish to say that IF a pilot wishes to commit suicide, all they need to do is wait until a day off, go to a local airfield, rent a single-engine Cessna or equivalent, take to the skies and crash into whatever geographical feature takes their fancy. They achieve their aim without having to kill 100+ innocent people. So whatever the real cause turns out to be, I simply don't buy "suicide"; the psychology is wrong and so's the method.

[panopticon]

Delta pilot locked out of cockpit during landing (http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/30/travel/feat-delta-captain-lockout/)

http://www.boston.com/travel/2015/01/30/pilot-locked-out-cockpit-during-delta-flight/CV9B8NBqlrC5eRGZtiDsdP/story.html

A statement (http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/morning_call/2015/01/delta-pilot-locked-out-of-cockpit.html) from Atlanta-based Delta (NYSE: DAL) says the captain was not able to enter the flight deck during a Thursday flight due to a safety door jam, reports Minnesota's WCCO-TV. (http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/01/29/delta-pilot-locked-out-of-cockpit-in-flight-from-mn-to-las-vegas/)

Air India pilot locked out of cockpit after toilet break (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-22528431)

Pilot locked out of cockpit while co-pilot slept (http://www.pilotcareernews.com/pilot-locked-out-of-cockpit-while-co-pilot-slept/)

G'day Herve,

Excellent links.

None of them seem to be about an Airbus though (Boeing 787, MD-90).

The last link didn't work for me but I gather it was for the September 2012 Transavia flight (seems their fleet are all Boeing 737):
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/31/travel/737-officer-asleep-at-controls/

I don't know if the door operation system is the same for these and the Airbus however the report on the Transvia flight seems to indicate that they are similar.

So, if the door was jammed then I'd think that the co-pilot would have said something to the pilot banging on the door?
Also, its being reported that the door was deliberately locked (they might be working that out from the audible "door opening" warning sounding in the cockpit) so the door jamming hypothesis seems more unlikely. Again, maybe an electrical failure leading to automatic door locking? If that was the case though wouldn't there have been something said by the co-pilot?

Given available information I can see why it is being said that the person who was left in the cockpit crashed the flight. All the reports I've seen indicate no emotional, relationship or financial problems for the co-pilot.

This is a very strange crash.

-- Pan

[gripreaper]

Here's Joseph Farrell's high octane speculation. He's usually right, but too early to tell. See short "News and Views" video.

http://gizadeathstar.com/

[Harley]

Hi all,

Just some stuff playing out in my mind. :)


This from Jim Stone's site: (http://82.221.129.208/)


I do not know the source of the following quote, but evidently it came from a pilot. It first appeared on Barking Moonbat (http://www.barking-moonbat.com/index.php/weblog/a320_crash_theory_time/) two days ago according to the Google time stamp, AND IT SAYS IT ALL:

"IF France finds the flight recorders, and IF they aren't mangled beyond use, and IF they make the actual contents public record, then I won't be at all surprised to find they didn't record a word of cockpit conversation nor a peep from the passenger cabin. I bet there won't be any records of any AirPhone usage, or any outgoing messages from any of the cell phones on board.

I think the plane was hacked. Brought down. A poison gas canister attached to the air system and triggered by the "seat belts" signal when the plane reached altitude. And exactly 30 minutes later, the engines were shut down. Either by programming or by remote control. And the computer flies the plane perfectly, like a glider in an 8 minute descent, right into an Alp.

I think looking at the passenger list could be very informative. This looks like a hit. A major hit, at the level of nation-states or the largest criminal cartels. Or a worldwide group of fanatics. So, who was on this flight?


Not saying that this is what happened, but the scenario above (or something similar) does fit the crash profile quite nicely.


And what about the fighter jets that were initially reported by the news media and then deleted shortly after?:

This from Jim Stone's site: (http://82.221.129.208/)


Here we have a screen capture, provided by a reader, that was taken at 10:44:36. It includes a large amount of the information I have above, INCLUDING THE FIGHTER JET ESCORTS:

http://82.221.129.208/damningscreenshot.gif

HERE WE HAVE THE EDITED REPORT, WITH THE FIGHTER JETS REMOVED. If they get put back into the story and lies are hatched for damage control it is TOO LATE, the fact they chose to expunge this information irrevocably proves they never wanted these fighter jets to be mentioned, and THAT SAYS IT ALL. TOO LATE, BUSTED:

http://82.221.129.208/expungement.gif

Fighters flying in close proximity and carrying the necessary equipment could have easily performed the functions required in a scenario similar to the one described at the top of this post.

OR

There's also the possibility that the fighters may have been in the near vicinity as 'insurance' against the possibility of failure of the plane going down.



So, who was on this flight?

Indeed. Do you think they'll ever really tell us the truth? I have read a bunch of articles and watched a bunch of videos and so far all I've seen is the mainstream media focusing on their favorite thing: Highlighting the heartbreaking stories.

I have a question out of curiosity: Has anyone heard or seen anything mentioned about some Iranians on this flight? If not why hasn't it been reported?

As I said, "Out of curiosity":

(Translated)


Reporters killed two Iranians fall of German plane accident south of France

Syrian Arab News Agency (http://www.sana.sy/%D9%85%D9%82%D8%AA%D9%84-%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%B3%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%86-%D8%B5%D8%AD%D9%81%D9%8A%D9%8A%D9%86-%D8%A5%D9%8A%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%8A%D9%8A%D9%86-%D8%A7%D8%AB%D9%86%D9%8A%D9%86-%D8%A8%D8%AD.html)
03/25/2015

TEHRAN, (SANA)

Iranian Foreign Ministry confirmed the two reporters Iranians working in the sports section of the killing, told the International Tasneem news and newspaper Emrooz homeland in the fall of Airbus German and German Wings in the south of France accident yesterday.

Was quoted by the official news agency IRNA source in the Iranian Foreign Ministry as saying today that the two reporters were on board the German plane, en route from Barcelona to the city of Dusseldorf, which crashed yesterday in the south of France.

It is noteworthy that reporters are the birth of the Islamic Hojjat reporter sports section in the Agency for International Tasneem news and Hossein Javadi reporter sports section in the newspaper homeland Emrooz and were in newsworthy important to cover the friendly matches between the Iranian national football team with his Chilean in Austria and Swede in Stockholm also traveled to Barcelona to cover the match between the two clubs Barcelona and Madrid for the RIA.

As a result, the German plane crash killed 144 passengers in addition to the crew of 6 people.

In the context opera singer Oleg Briggak and singer Mary Radner been killed in German plane crash.

The Web site, Russia Today that the statement issued by the website of the Ryan Opera Theater in Dusseldorf German publishing the news of the death of singer Briggak and stated that "the members of the band in Dusseldorf Opera Theater deeply saddened received the news of the death of their colleague in the plane crash."

The statement pointed out that Briggak was on the plane on his way to Dusseldorf from Barcelona, ​​where he performed the role of Alberich in the opera "Siegfried" composed by Wagner at the National Opera Theatre.

The statement also that the singer Maria Radner who performed the role of women in the same opera received also killed in the incident.

It is noteworthy that Oleg Briggak was born in 1960 in Kazakhstan, where the Conservatory ended in Alma-Ata and work in the period between 1989 and 1991, a singer in "Glenka" Band Bboutrsburg then emigrated to Germany, where he worked in the German Rhine theater since 1996. The Radner was working singer in theaters, "Metropolitan Opera" in New York and "La Scala" in Milan and "Colon" in Buenos Aires.

In Paris, the French authorities announced that the German victims of the plane crash came from about 15 countries and the largest number of victims were Germans and Spaniards 72 people, at least 49 people.

The plane, a subsidiary of German and German Wings flight between Barcelona, ​​Spain, and Dusseldorf, Germany, when it crashed, killing 150 people on board did not yet know the reasons.

Probably nothing of consequence.

But then again, why are recent stories of the past few weeks flashing through my mind, regarding Netanyahu/US Congress, Israel Spying On US - Iran Nuclear Talks, The Growing Rift Between Netanyahu and Obama, etc?

Oh never mind. I'm sure it's nothing.

:)

[Sophocles]

Here is one article saying two people from Iran attended the flight (Last Updated: Mar 26, 2015 3:57 AM ET):


Germanwings CEO Thomas Winkelmann said the airline was in the process of contacting victims' families. He said the 144 passengers and six crew members included 72 Germans, 35 Spaniards, three Americans and two people each from Australia, Argentina, Iran, Venezuela, and one person each from Britain, the Netherlands, Colombia, Mexico, Japan, Denmark, Belgium and Israel...Some of the victims may have had dual nationalities; Spain's government said 51 citizens had died in the crash.

Link: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/germanwings-flight-4u9525-pilot-locked-out-of-cockpit-before-crash-new-york-times-reports-1.3008432

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Police: Item of 'Significance' Found at Apartment of Germanwings Co-Pilot


GRN’s Alan Hall reported on tonight’s “On The Record” that police searched Lubitz’s apartment and found something of “significance,” but they would not say what it is. Authorities say it is not a suicide note.

Link: http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/03/26/police-item-significance-found-apartment-germanwings-co-pilot

[panopticon]

Reports co-pilot suffered from depression six years ago as police search homes; pilot bashed cockpit door with axe (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-27/reports-germanwings-co-pilot-suffered-serious-depressive-episode/6354642)
27th March 2015

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/6351492-4x3-940x705.jpg

The co-pilot who is believed to have deliberately crashed a Germanwings plane into the French Alps received psychiatric treatment for a "serious depressive episode" six years ago, German tabloid newspaper Bild is reporting.

One hundred and fifty people, including a Victorian woman and her adult son, died when the plane slammed into the mountainside on Tuesday.

A French prosecutor said the plane's co-pilot, Andreas Lubitz, 28, deliberately crashed the Airbus A320, with the senior pilot locked out of the cockpit.

After listening to the cockpit voice recorders, prosecutors in France offered no motive for why Lubitz would take the controls of the plane, lock the captain out and deliberately set it to veer down from its cruising altitude at a rate of 3,000 feet per minute.

Citing internal documents and Lufthansa sources, Bild said Lubitz spent a total of one-and-a-half years in psychiatric treatment and that the relevant documents would be passed to French investigators once they had been examined by German authorities.

The chief of Lufthansa, which runs the low-cost Germanwings airline, Carsten Spohr told a news conference on Thursday that Lubitz had taken a break during his training six years ago, but did not explain why.

He said Lubitz passed all tests to be fit to fly.

"Six years ago there was a lengthy interruption in his training," Mr Spohr said.

"After he was cleared again, he resumed training.

"He passed all the subsequent tests and checks with flying colours. His flying abilities were flawless."

A Lufthansa spokeswoman said on Friday the airline would not comment on the state of health of the pilot.

Evidence seized from Lubitz's homes but 'no smoking gun'

The reports come as German police seized possessions, including a computer, from Lubitz's homes.

Officers combing through a flat kept by Lubitz in the western city of Dusseldorf said they had seized "various items and papers", police spokesman Marcel Fiebig said.

"We will see whether this will explain what happened - everything is being examined," he said, adding that there was no "smoking gun" to shed light on a possible motive.

Lubitz spent most of his time at his parents' home in the small western town of Montabaur.

That upscale residence was also cordoned off by police and searched.

Men wearing gloves came out carrying briefcases, bags and boxes, an AFP journalist reported.

The city's public prosecutor said in a written statement that searches in Duesseldorf and other places were aimed at "the discovery and securing of personal documents" to help clarify the situation.

Captain used axe in attempt to bash down door: report

The Bild newspaper also reported the captain who was locked out of the cockpit used an axe to try and force his way back in, citing security sources.

The cockpit flight recorder showed the captain repeatedly knocked and tried to get back in as the plane went into its fatal descent, French prosecutors said.

However, Bild reported that the captain also tried using an axe to break down the cockpit's armoured door.

This could not be immediately confirmed, but a spokesman for Germanwings confirmed to news agency AFP that an axe was on board the aircraft.

Such a tool is "part of the safety equipment of an A320", a spokesman said.

Federal Government, Qantas considering cockpit safety changes

The Federal Government and Qantas are considering changes to cockpit security following the crash.

Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss said Australia's aviation agencies were investigating if current cockpit safety requirements needed further strengthening.

"The current regulations do not require airlines to replace a pilot who temporarily leaves the cockpit," he said.

"Careful consideration needs to be made following thorough investigation to ensure that altering current procedures does not open other potential vulnerabilities."

"Our two major international and domestic airlines are undertaking their own safety and security risk assessments of cockpit procedures following the recent tragedy."

A Qantas spokesman said the airline was "monitoring the information coming out of the French investigation" and was considering whether any changes to its existing safeguards were needed.

Strategic Aviation Solutions chairman Neil Hansford told ABC NewsRadio there had been several similar incidents in the past.

"We didn't have these doors on cockpits to keep them sanitary before 9/11 so this is another flow-on effect," he said.

Lufthansa chief sees 'no need' to change cockpit policy

Airlines including Norwegian Air Shuttle, Britain's easyJet, Air Canada, Air New Zealand and Air Berlin all said they had introduced a requirement that two crew members must be in the cockpit at all times.

Regulations in the US already require that no pilot must ever be left alone at the controls and Canada has now followed suit.

Mr Spohr from Lufthansa said he believed such a policy change was unnecessary.

"I don't see any need to change our procedures here," he said.

"It was a one-off case. But we will look at it with the various experts at Lufthansa and the authorities. We shouldn't lose ourselves in short-term measures."

Source (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-27/reports-germanwings-co-pilot-suffered-serious-depressive-episode/6354642)

[syrwong]

I saw on TV news an animation (already?) of the pilot leaving the cockpit for the toilet and returning, knocking fiercely and pressed the code to open the door, and the copilot overiding the entry. Then the report that the pilot had been under psychiatric treatment for two years or so and recently his girlfriend left him. Very convincing story with great animation! But I don't believe it.
For one thing, who was the stupid designer for a force entry code to be overidable from inside? For fear of "terorists" knowing the code?

[Aviator]

More and more information about the co-pilots background is coming out now. He received psychiatric treatment in the past and had even a sick note for the day of the crash. It is very likely that he was under the influence of psychiatric drugs, similar to school shooters and other killers.

[Hervé]

I just saw on BFMTV that the copilot was trained at the Lufthansa Flight Training facility in Phoenix Arizona, and that he interrupted his training for several months. They have half a dozen facilities closer to home; interesting that he should go to the US, and interesting that he should go AWOL. What else is there to do in Phoenix Arizona, I wonder.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lufthansa_Flight_Training


[...]

The co-pilot who is believed to have deliberately crashed a Germanwings plane into the French Alps received psychiatric treatment for a "serious depressive episode" six years ago, German tabloid newspaper Bild is reporting.

[...]... Bild said Lubitz spent a total of one-and-a-half years in psychiatric treatment and that the relevant documents would be passed to French investigators once they had been examined by German authorities.

The chief of Lufthansa, which runs the low-cost Germanwings airline, Carsten Spohr told a news conference on Thursday that Lubitz had taken a break during his training six years ago, but did not explain why.

[...]

There you go... made in USA MKultra flying bomb/drone/zombie...

From what I read somewhere else, he was admitted in a US psychiatric facility for a couple of weeks. Who knows what he was submitted to during that time? But turning someone into a sleeping time bomb doesn't even take that long.

[panopticon]

Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz recently broke up with girlfriend, hid illness from employers (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/andreas-lubitz-spent-18-months-psychiatric-treatment-article-1.2164228)
By Rachelle Blidner, 27th March 2015

http://static1.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2164227.1427454933!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/france-germanwings-crash-co-pilot.jpg
Andreas Lubitz, who ran the Airportrace half marathon in Hamburg in 2009, received psychiatric treatment for a "serious depressive episode" six years ago, German newspaper Bild reported.

The Germanwings co-pilot believed to have deliberately crashed Flight 9525 recently broke up with his girlfriend, leaving a man with a history of depression in a fragile emotional state, according to a report.

Andreas Lubitz, 27, had a "serious relationship crisis with his girlfriend," a mystery woman he was reportedly engaged to at one point, German newspaper Bild reported Friday.

Lubitz had a history of health issues, which he hid from his employers and colleagues, German prosecutor Ralf Herrenbrueck said Friday after seizing documents from Lubitz's Dusseldorf apartment.

Investigators found torn-up doctor's notes to excuse Lubitz for work Tuesday, the day he drove the Dusseldorf-bound plane into the French Alps and killed 149 people, Herrenbrueck said.

Herrenbrueck did not say what illness Lubitz had, although doctor's notes for even minor ailments are common in Germany, according to the Associated Press.

German law requires people to inform their employers if they cannot work, Reuters reported.

Other medical documents obtained indicated Lubitz had "an existing illness and appropriate medical treatment," Herrenbrueck said.

Investigators did not find a suicide note or evidence of political or religious motivations, he said.

In 2009, Lubitz underwent psychiatric treatment for 18 months for a "serious depressive episode" — around the same time he took six months off from flight training, Bild reported.

Lubitz was deemed "not suitable for flying" by the Phoenix, Ariz., flight school operated by Germanwings' parent company Lufthansa, according to documents obtained by the paper. His depression forced him to retake flying classes and get "special regular medical examinations."

Former classmates said he took time off for "burnout syndrome" or depression, according to Der Spiegel.

Lufthansa CEO Carsten Spohr told reporters Thursday that Lubitz took leave in 2009 but declined to explain why. He did not mention any medical or psychological issues, and company representatives declined to comment on the medical notes revealed Friday.

After Lubitz was allowed to begin training again, he was "100 percent fit to fly," passing all medical and flight exams "with flying colors," Spohr said.

But the co-pilot had a medical condition listed on his pilot's medical certificate, a spokesman for Germany's Federal Aviation Office told the Wall Street Journal.

Spokesman Holger Kasperski declined to say whether the confidential condition referred to Lubitz's mental or physical well-being.

Lubitz's last pilot's license medical exam was in July 2014, Kasperski said.

He received physical examinations annually but was not required to undergo psychological evaluation, Spohr said.

Lubitz was a patient at Dusseldorf University Hospital for the past two months, the hospital said in a statement. He last came to the hospital for a "diagnostic evaluation" on March 10. The hospital declined to reveal his condition and denied reports it treated him for depression.

German authorities said they will review documents about Lubitz's mental health before handing them over to French investigators, according to Reuters.

"Everything points to this act that we are unable to qualify — criminal, mad, suicidal," French Prime Minister Manuel Valls told iTele. "How can one imagine that a pilot in whom one has full confidence — they are heroes for many people ... could precipitate the plane into the mountain, after closing the door to stop the pilot from entering the cabin?"

The co-pilot's friends and neighbors said they were shocked by investigators' allegations — Lubitz was a quiet, normal guy who loved to fly.

The same year Lubitz took a gap in training, the competitive runner raced in a half marathon in Hamburg, Germany.

Source (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/andreas-lubitz-spent-18-months-psychiatric-treatment-article-1.2164228)

[panopticon]

The following article is basically a rehash of stuff already covered other than the reference to the wedding being called off causing him trouble and a bit more on the medical certificate. There's only so many ways to say the same thing.

Notice the carefully crafted headline and tactful writing from the hacks at The Australia...

###

Mass-murder co-pilot ‘had extended history of mental illness’ (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/mass-murder-co-pilot-had-extended-history-of-mental-illness/story-e6frg6so-1227281862126)
The Australian, March 28, 2015

Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz had such an extended history of known mental illness that he had to undergo regular special medical checks and was recently separated from his fiancee — all vital clues to the criminal inves­t­­­igation that is under way in the mass murder of all 150 passengers and crew onboard Flight 9525.

Last night prosecutors said that Lubitz appears to have hidden evidence of an illness from his employers, including having been excused by a doctor from work the day he crashed the Airbus A320 into the French Alps.

The medical certificates came from a search of Lubitz’s homes in two German cities for an explan­ation of why he crashed the plane into a mountain.

Prosecutor’s spokesman Ralf Herrenbrueck said that torn-up sick notes for the day of the crash “support the current preliminary assessment that the deceased hid his illness from his employer and colleagues”.

Mr Herrenbrueck said other medical documents found indicated “an existing illness and approp­riate medical treatment”, but that no suicide note was found.

He added there was no indic­ation of any political or religious motivation for Lubitz’s actions.

The focus has also shifted to the parent company, Lufthansa, and how 27-year-old Lubitz had continued his employment with such a troubled medical background.

Most recently, he was dealing with his girlfriend cancelling their wedding planned for next year.

Lufthansa chief executive Carsten Spohr, who said the crash was “the darkest day for Lufthansa in its 60-year history”, confirmed that Lubitz had a break in his pilot training and he had to resit his exams to qualify back in 2008.

However, his medical records, as seen by the German newspaper Bild, indicate longstanding and ongoing psychiatric issues.

Lubitz’s medical records show his training at the Lufthansa Flight School in Arizona was inter­rupted for several months in 2009 because of mental illness, with severe depression and anx­iety.

Lubitz had 18 months of psychiatric treatment and, even though he passed the pilot exams, he struggled to advance to higher levels in the training because of depress­ion. One notation even states he was “no-fly’’ for a period.

In the company records at the German aviation authority Luftfahrt Bundesamt, Lubitz’s psychological problems were identified and his records marked with the code “SIC” (specific regularly occurring medical examinations, which must be performed by a doctor).

Germanwings, however, insisted that the incident was a “tragic individual case’’ and expressed complete confidence in its pilots. “We would have never imagined that such a tragedy could happen in our company,” a statement from the company said.

Both Germanwings and Luft­hansa will now face unlimited-liability claims from hundreds of people, which will test their economic robustness.

Public confidence in pilots has taken a severe blow, and several low-cost European airlines have immediately added a second pilot to the flight deck to try to reassure passengers.

A search of Lubitz’s Dusseldorf flat, which he had previously shared with his girlfriend, uncovered an item police say “may be a significant clue to what happened’’. Markus Niesczery from Dusseldorf police said the item, which he would not detail, would be taken for testing. Police remove­d a computer hard drive as well as several boxes from the flat.

“We cannot say what it is at the moment but it may be a very significant clue to what has happened. We hope it may give some explanations,” Mr Niesczery said.

Marseilles prosecutor Brice Robin gave grieving family members a detailed briefing of Lubitz’s actions and said that they were shocked by the revelations. Mr Brice said the families quizzed him for more than 90 minutes, trying to understand the motivation behind how their loved ones died.

“It makes us furious, it makes us sad, it leaves us stunned,” said school official Ulrich Wessel from the Joseph-Koenig school in Haltern, which lost 16 pupils and two teachers in the disaster.

Source (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/mass-murder-co-pilot-had-extended-history-of-mental-illness/story-e6frg6so-1227281862126)

[Hervé]

Let's see what the next step is gonna be... psychiatric assessments starting at kindergarten?

[panopticon]

Let's see what the next step is gonna be... psychiatric assessments starting at kindergarten?

I agree.

False Flag or not this will be taken advantage of.

To what ends only hindsight will show.

-- Pan

[Rocky_Shorz]

one question, if he was crashing the plane, why did he set off the signal...
What signal?

Airbus A320 France plane crash: Germanwings 4U9525 sent 'distress signal' before Alps crash...

"Passenger airliner Airbus A320 sent a 'distress signal' before plunging into the French Alps, according to reports.

French President Francois Hollande has confirmed no survivors are expected after the aeroplane with 150 people on board crashed.

According to Flightradar24, which keeps track of aircraft across the world, the Airbus was descending with a rate of about 3,000-4,000ft per minute.

The tracking agency also added the flight climbed to 38,000ft before it started to descend and lose signal at about 6,800ft.

French aviation authorities confirmed they detecting a emergency signal from the plane 46 minutes after its take-off from Barcelona. The wreckage of the flight has already been spotted.

According to the French Civil Aviation Authority (DGAE) there had been what is known as a distress FA, which happens when a plane disappears from radars, or blacks out and all communications are cut with the cockpit." link (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/airbus-a320france-plane-crash-germanwings-4u9525-sent-distress-signal-french-alps-crash-1493305)

it wasn't sent by the pilots...

that is the moment autopilot should have kicked in...

autopilot should have calculated tragectory and the crash ahead and notified air authorities then switched over to full control...

make them un hijackable

[ThePythonicCow]

According to the French Civil Aviation Authority (DGAE) there had been what is known as a distress FA, which happens when a plane disappears from radars, or blacks out and all communications are cut with the cockpit." link (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/airbus-a320france-plane-crash-germanwings-4u9525-sent-distress-signal-french-alps-crash-1493305)

it wasn't sent by the pilots...
Yeah - that's my reading too - the "plane" sent the (alleged) signal, not the pilot(s).

[pabranno]

I just read on Houston Local News they found a letter in conveniently and conspicuously in the waste basket stating that he had been declared unfit for work.

[greybeard]

Torn-up sick notes show crash pilot should have been grounded
There is a very full report on the link.
Chris

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/german-pilot-said-suffered-depression-anxiety-101647411--sector.html#Q1G3fZ2

[SilentFeathers]

Let's see what the next step is gonna be... psychiatric assessments starting at kindergarten?

Interesting how they just simple belch out, "pilot was a nut job job" and most everyone's attention focuses on this aspect of this tragedy.....interesting how easily the masses are steered to a certain focal point (while the cleaner cleans up loose ends). Well, regardless, they basically blamed the pilot for MH370 too. It worked that time so it'll likely work this time too.

And by the way, since when do they allow an axe to be on a plane in the passenger compartment? Reckon it adds a little spice to the narrative!

It could be just as they say it is, just a nut job on a death mission, but perhaps there is more to it....and if there is more to it, someone went through great lengths to make sure this plane, a certain person(s) on it, or a certain object in the cargo bay did not make it to it's planned destination point.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

you guys might want to see what another manufacturer has tried to blame on pilot error!
good catch SilentFeathers, was just now having the same thought, "Gee how convenient to have this young pilot possibly in the database flagged as schizophrenic"

:( the AF doesn't seem to care about it, why should the airlines lmao. anyhow that's not fair. the point is people get a chance up to the point they err.

________________________

http://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-blames-pilots-for-asiana-777-crash-airline-faults-software-too/

Boeing blames pilots for Asiana 777 crash; airline faults software, too
Originally published April 1, 2014 at 10:54 am Updated April 2, 2014 at 6:19 am
By Dominic Gates
Array
Boeing on Monday firmly blamed the pilots for last year’s crash of an Asiana Airlines 777 in San Francisco, telling the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) that the crash “would have been avoided had the flight crew followed procedures.”

“This accident occurred due to the flight crew’s failure to monitor and control airspeed, thrust level and glide path,” Boeing said in a document submitted for the agency’s investigation of last July’s crash in which three passengers died.

Asiana partly agreed with Boeing in its own submission to the NTSB, but it also found fault with the design of the jet’s automated flight controls.

The South Korean carrier wrote that “the probable cause of this accident was the flight crew’s failure to monitor and maintain a minimum safe airspeed during a final approach.”


seems like there's a software problem as ALWAYS..
and also Boeing is among those companies pushing HARD for automated flight (pilotless planes)


http://spectrum.ieee.org/aerospace/aviation/when-will-we-have-unmanned-commercial-airliners

When Will We Have Unmanned Commercial Airliners?

Unmanned planes dominate the battlefield, yet airliners still have pilots—and copilots

By Philip E. Ross
Posted 29 Nov 2011 | 15:32 GMT


http://spectrum.ieee.org/image/1970742

In the sphere of commercial flight, too, automation has thinned the cockpit crew from five to just the pilot and copilot, whose jobs it has greatly simplified. Do we even need those two? Many aviation experts think not.

"A pilotless airliner is going to come; it's just a question of when," said James Albaugh, the president and CEO of Boeing Commercial Airlines, in a talk he gave in August at the AIAA Modeling and Simulation Technologies Conference, in Portland, Ore. "You'll see it in freighters first, over water probably, landing very close to the shore."

Later, when air-traffic control systems rise to the challenge, pilotless planes will carry stuff to your very doorstep. In the fullness of time, they'll carry you.

more danger not less



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2509316/Is-autopilot-making-flight-travel-MORE-dangerous-FAA-claims-thirds-pilots-make-mistakes-reliance-technology.html

Is autopilot making flight travel MORE dangerous? FAA claims two thirds of pilots make mistakes because of their reliance on technology
A draft report claims pilots are relying too much on automated systems
As a result, they lack knowledge and skills to control plane's trajectory
Typical mistakes include not recognising that the autopilot is disconnected
Others include failure to take the proper steps to recover from a stall in flight
By ELLIE ZOLFAGHARIFARD

PUBLISHED: 09:31 EST, 18 November 2013 | UPDATED: 09:34 EST, 18 November 2013



the machine takeover by corporatocracy
multinational corporate destruction


http://www.nbcnews.com/id/42183592/ns/business-careers/t/nine-jobs-humans-may-lose-robots/


pharmacist
lawyer
driver
astronaut
store clerk
soldier
babysitter
rescuer
writer

[Harley]

Interesting how they just simple belch out, "pilot was a nut job job" and most everyone's attention focuses on this aspect of this tragedy.....interesting how easily the masses are steered to a certain focal point (while the cleaner cleans up loose ends). Well, regardless, they basically blamed the pilot for MH370 too. It worked that time so it'll likely work this time too.

Exactly. Once they make up their minds what they want to use as the CAUSE, and then they get the media focused on it, there ain't no stopping the EFFECT.

The mentally ill (in one form or another) card is probably the easiest to use even when it's untrue, and especially so when the subject is no longer here to defend their self.


It could be just as they say it is, just a nut job on a death mission, but perhaps there is more to it....and if there is more to it, someone went through great lengths to make sure this plane, a certain person(s) on it, or a certain object in the cargo bay did not make it to it's planned destination point.

And I'll add one more:

A warning or some very serious saber rattling, used by 'one side' to persuade 'another side' to do or not to do something. And if the 'other side' tells anyone who did it things can get a whole lot worse.

This sort of thing goes on all the time between governments and nations, though seldom to this extent and visibility.

[Carmody]

well, Saudi Arabia is in Yemen right now.

Total distraction from that all important point, in the west, might be a 'two-fer'.

[Harley]

I gotta say, on the world view, things are really escalating now and not looking good.

And we're only three months in to 2015.

[gripreaper]

The "ole lone nut job" explanation has been working for decades, and the masses buy into it. The guy who killed Kennedy was a lone nut job, and the pilots who flew into the World Trade Center were lone nut jobs, and the guy who killed John Lennon was a lone nut job, and the pilot who took down MH370 was a lone nut job, and the guy who shot up Newtown was a lone nut job, and the guy who blew up the Boston Marathon was a lone nut job, ...and...and...and...

What is obvious to me is that the debris fragments are extremely small, the largest piece being the size of a small car. Now go look at other airline crash debris photo's and get back to me.

It's like when you go to the doctors and they can't explain what is ailing you so they say: "It's genetic". That's the catch all basket where all stuff medical goes, and then they add "BUT we are working on a cure and are in clinical trial to find a drug" blah...blah...blah...

Everyone get back to work, there's nothing to see here. Let the experts figure it out and we'll get back to ya, TRUST US !!!

I'm really getting sick of the BS news, you know, the banker who committed suicide by taking a nail gun and pumping 8 nails into his scull and torso? How friggin gullible are we? NO WAY could you take the second trigger of the nail gun, no way.

[araucaria]

Cidersomerset posted an interesting article on Greybeard’s thread about how the Sharon Tate murders ending the dangerous sixties was just a bunch of Hollywood actors filming a movie. My reaction is here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81056-Whats-your-definition-of-false-flag&p=947051&viewfull=1#post947051

If we do apply this template to this air crash, we see a rationale for the tiny fragments in a remote location with almost no eye-witnesses – one of the handful of witnesses appeared on TV from the chest down only. With fragmentary body parts, DNA identification would be easily faked: you could more or less match anything with anyone. But the trouble with this idea is of course always at the point where you have multiple victims each with multiple surviving family members. I confess I personally don’t understand how the interfacing is done on this level. The only example of how a plot involving large numbers of innocent outsiders is a piece of fiction: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66854-Are-we-living-a-pre-scripted-story--Implications-Revelations-and-the-Future-&p=777383&viewfull=1#post777383

All of these tragedies are an attack on one aspect of the human mind: sympathy. Sympathy is Greek for compassion and compassion is Latin for ‘suffering with’. In the physical realm, we can take someone in our arms and literally share their space as we suffer together. Nowadays we are constantly being invited to act likewise in the case of events allegedly taking place beyond our personal event horizon, and the moment we stop to think, we are accused of being callous towards the victims. But this kind of sympathy urbi et orbi has left the physical realm: it is purely metaphysical, and the relationship between the two realms has been turned on its head.

I have sympathy with all of humanity, which from my viewpoint is based on my very restricted circle of people I may interact with. This circle can of course grow, as it only involves a limited sample of human beings. But the direction of growth, from the known to the unknown, means that I can build up a solid picture. However, what we are increasingly being confronted with is the exact opposite: we are being offered a top down view of humanity – whatever ‘people’ ‘they’ wish to show us, and together these metaphysical entities take on a life of their own that is completely disconnected from the normal way in which we know from personal experience that human beings operate. If we buy into the idea that a suicidal pilot capable of killing 150 people is simply a variation on normal human behaviour from one with mental health issues, then that is eventually going to destabilize our own personal experience of what is normal, and we all end up going crazy – crazy with fear; which is what fear-mongering is all about.

Hence the actual manner in which the above is achieved is immaterial. The How really doesn’t matter – here we find yesterday’s cockpit security measures are killers and tomorrow’s will be no safer. That in itself is just another diversion. The response that is really verboten as the ultimate in callousness is to react as if nothing had happened at all. This is like accusing a doctor performing emergency surgery of callously treating the patient like a piece of meat; the emotional response is simply inappropriate. This situation is more like quietly moving on when a salesman tries to sell you something you don’t want.

This microcosmic representation of the macrocosm is perfectly clear. Yes, we all identify with artists and children on a low-cost flight to somewhere nice. No, we do not accept the Pied Piper of Hamelin scenario of a murderous monster leading us all into the side of a mountain. We are simply not interested; go away. (No wonder there is so much focus onthe cockpit door connecting/separating the two.)

I have made quite a few posts on this subject; the following are just a sample.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78782-Charlie-Hebdo-shooting-eleven-dead-at-Paris-offices-of-satirical-magazine&p=921607&viewfull=1#post921607
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80777-David-Wilcock-response-to-Ben-Fulford-s-post-2015-03-16-I-strongly-suspect-that-Putin-was-having-meetings-with-the-Alliance&p=944475&viewfull=1#post944475
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=554281&viewfull=1#post554281

[Aviator]

They found a lot of psychiatric drugs in the co-pilots appartment. He was under psychiatric treatment for years and the airline (Lufthansa) knew about it!

http://www.focus.de/panorama/welt/er-steuerte-den-airbus-in-die-felsen-vermerk-in-akte-zeigt-andreas-l-hatte-massive-psychologische-probleme_id_4573954.html#

[meat suit]

it is conceivable that a young co-pilot under medication and other personal pressures did what he appeared to have done.

it may also be in somebodies interest to create such an event in order to get new security measures online...

such as chipping pilots or even remote sedating/activating/deactivating them with implants etc. should they not perform as desired... then do the same thing to train/bus drivers... and the rest of us

[Sean]

Don't believe the cover stories..

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/03/28/who-was-on-the-plane/

[gripreaper]

it is conceivable that a young co-pilot under medication and other personal pressures did what he appeared to have done.

it may also be in somebodies interest to create such an event in order to get new security measures online...

such as chipping pilots or even remote sedating/activating/deactivating them with implants etc. should they not perform as desired... then do the same thing to train/bus drivers... and the rest of us

I've got an idea. Let's make psychiatric evaluations mandatory, where everyone has to answer a series of questions, have their DNA scrutinized, their blood type, what websites they frequent, who their social affiliations are, where they go and spend their time, etc. All transactions, social interactions, all media, all communications, and all movements should be monitored through mandatory surveillance.

Then, we could all be categorized and labeled as to what degree of a threat we are to society, and depending on what category one ends up based on the evaluation, mandatory psychotropic drugs could be administered to us, a chip could be imbedded under our skin to control any aberrant behavior, and could be used to modify such behavior, and those miscreants who do not follow the social mandates of the collective would be isolated and reconditioned under deep scrutiny to alter their behavior into a more socially acceptable pattern which benefits all of society.

All of this information could be gathered through a digital surveillance grid, stored at a central location, and then collated into groups. The most aberrant could just be taken out and immediately shot, and the rest of us could then be modified and reconditioned to meet the criteria. All of the statutory rules, regulations, codes, laws, and edicts would form the basis for behavior, and how well one adapts to the social norms.

We will never be able to fully feel safe and function as a society until we are able to fully control the aberrant genes in the human genome and make the necessary adjustments to all of the populace which will make us all finally safe from such behavior. :no:

[Flash]

Don't believe the cover stories..

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/03/28/who-was-on-the-plane/

Very interesting article worth reading to rhe end

[Hervé]

Don't believe the cover stories..

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/03/28/who-was-on-the-plane/

Going along the direction of that VT analysis: Suspicious Technologies And Cyber Wars (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81070-Suspicious-Technologies-And-Cyber-Wars&p=947117#post947117)

[ThePythonicCow]

What is obvious to me is that the debris fragments are extremely small, the largest piece being the size of a small car. Now go look at other airline crash debris photo's and get back to me.
A power on nose dive into a massive rock mountain top might be expected to cause more damage to a plane than most crashes, where the pilot was presumably doing what he could to minimize impact damage, at slower speeds and lower altitudes (where passenger planes cannot fly as fast, due to the dense air), rather than trying to maximize damage, at higher speed and altitude.

[Rocky_Shorz]

the plane exploded before impact, no other way to spread debris like this...

Here's the down and dirty Sorcha update...

"A new report released by the Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) today states that President Barack Obama became so enraged upon learning that a NATO forces “war game” on Tuesday downed Germanwings Flight 9525 over southern France, killing all 150 aboard, he shockingly refused to meet this Western alliances top commander, Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg despite repeated requests to do so.

The NATO war game shootdown of Germanwings Flight 9525 (US Laser Test Destroys Germanwings Airliner Killing 150 Innocent Civilians) the Ministry of Defense (MoD) had previously reported was due to a failed US Air Force test of its High Energy Liquid Laser Area Defense System (HELLADS) attempting to shoot down an ICBM reentry vehicle simulating a Federation nuclear attack upon Aviano Air Base in Italy.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/poi1.jpg

The SVR in their report notes that President Obama became aware of the dangers this war game laser test posed to civilians airliners earlier this month after a similar test nearly caused the destruction of Lufthansa Flight LH1172 over France barely two weeks ago, and which exactly like Germanwings Flight 9525 on Tuesday, rapidly plummeted towards the ground before its pilots/controllers were able to regain control.

Most interesting to note in this SVR report, however, are its technical contradictions to what it calls the “massive cover operation” being employed by Western intelligence agencies to keep their citizens from knowing the truth of what happened to Germanwings Flight 9525, and are, instead, blaming everything on its co-pilot, Andreas Lubitz.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/poi2.png

The cover operation being implemented against the Germanwings Flight 9525 disaster, this SVR report continues, is being conducted by a specialized intelligence unit of the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) called to the scene by the European Union, and who, like in all previous incidents of this kind, and without knowing any facts, forcefully assert that the incident/disaster was not caused by terrorism.

Contradictorily though, SVR experts in this report state, while on the one hand stating their assurance that this airliner was not downed by terrorism, these Western intelligence agencies, headed by the FBI, have now begun to flood their nations media with reports that co-pilot Lubitz was, indeed, a terrorist…who locked his own planes pilot out of the cockpit, then set it on a deliberate course causing its obliteration upon a French mountainside.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/poi3.jpg

With visual evidence of the Germanwings Flight 9525 crash site showing it rained down in thousands of pieces causing a massive debris field covering hundreds of acres across numerous mountain ranges, and with no one single impact point being able to be identified, which can only lead to the logical conclusion that it exploded in the air, this report says, the main goal of the Western intelligence agencies cover operation is to shift their publics attention away from what their eyes are telling them, forcing them to, instead, concentrate their minds on the “scapegoat” terrorist.

This long known cover operation tactic, this report explains, was, perhaps, most successfully used during the 11 September 2001 attack upon the US Pentagon when the American people were “convinced” that a hijacked airliner had struck it, in spite of the first CNN report stating it didn’t happen, and photographic evidence showing the hole left in that massive building was the size of a cruise missile, not an airliner.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BNqgNvUhRQ

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/poi4.jpg

Even more concerning of this cover operation, SVR experts in this report say, even if co-pilot Lubitz had initiated a Controlled Flight Into Terrain (CFIT) of Germanwings Flight 9525, the Lufthansa Aviation Center (LAC) at Frankfurt Airport would have detected it immediately via their Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) and corrected it remotely.

To the high technical proficiency of Lufthansa monitoring their aircraft, this report says, can be read in their own words of how their Aviation Center operates:

“Constant monitoring of all aircraft in the Maintenance Control Center Lufthansa Technik's Maintenance Control Center monitors the technical status of the serviced aircraft worldwide, both on the ground and in the air, and controls necessary procedures. The structural statuses of the aircraft and the due dates for required and planned modifications and tasks are constantly tracked and monitored.

Everything that is part of fleet management is controlled here around the clock and around the world. At the Lufthansa Traffic Control Center in Frankfurt, staff compile all required data on the Lufthansa fleet operating worldwide using what is known as the ACARS system (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System), a data network using HF radio and satellites, and analyze it. Potential faults are immediately detected.”

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/poi5.jpg

With the Lufthansa Aviation Center, therefore, able to “immediately detect” and “control necessary procedures”, even of their flights in the air, like Germanwings Flight 9525, this report notes, it is inconceivable that they would fail to notice one of their airliners plummeting towards the ground in southern France and not remotely take control of it before it crashed.

In fact, so critically important to Lufthansa that it be able to control its airliners remotely in case of a crisis/emergency, this report says, was the deciding factor of their Airbus airliner purchases due to this aircraft having the worlds most sophisticated fly-by-wire (FBW) system that replaces the conventional manual flight controls of an aircraft with an electronic interface.

In a fly-by-wire system, this report explains, the movements of flight controls are converted to electronic signals transmitted by wires (hence the fly-by-wire term), and flight control computers determine how to move the actuators at each control surface to provide the ordered response. The fly-by-wire system also allows automatic signals sent by the aircraft's computers to perform functions without the pilot's input, as in systems that automatically help stabilize the aircraft, or prevent unsafe operation of the aircraft outside of its performance envelope.

With Germanwings Flight 9525 clearly operating unsafely “outside of its performance envelope”, and with the Lufthansa Aviation Center monitoring it in real time and able to control this aircraft without the pilots input via its FBW system, this SVR report says, clearly shows that this airliner exploded in the air and was unable to be remotely controlled…and as the visual crash site evidence proves too.

Most unfortunately, however, this report concludes, is that the Western peoples will never know the truth of what happened to Germanwings Flight 9525 as their war mongering governments, that have killed over 2 million during the last decade, know the backlash they could expect should the truth be known.

Sadly though, this massive propaganda cover-up of the total destruction of Germanwings Flight 9525 won’t affect Iranian sports journalist Hussein Javadi, who took the last haunting photograph of this doomed aircraft as it began its last journey. Everyone else, of course, should start preparing themselves for all the sensational news soon to come supporting the cover-up…after all, these monsters have proved it works, and the people have more than proved they’re content with lies." link (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1854.htm)

[araucaria]

We are now being told for starters that the copilot had a serious psychiatric problem with the attendant medication issues, scared off a girlfriend, and had poor eyesight to boot. Who in his right mind would have allowed such a character to come within a mile of an aircraft cockpit? Answer Lufthansa. Lufthansa has a reputation for being one of the most serious and reliable airlines out there, doubtless bolstered by the stereotype of German efficiency. The more mud being slung at this poor devil of a copilot, the more we are led to the conclusion that this most serious and reliable airline is no better than a cowboy outfit that should never be trusted with flying anybody anywhere – and a fortiori none of the inferior competition should be in business either.

The one slight problem with this picture is that all these cowboys have been carrying billions of passengers billions of miles, mostly very safely and comfortably, if not always on time. And many of these passengers are scared of flying! How do they do it??

One of life’s little mysteries I suppose…

[araucaria]

Is this journalistic ‘sloppiness’ (euphemism) or is all the flightradar24 data completely out? It has to be the former because over mountainous terrain, even if you crash you cannot descend to ‘less than 2,000 feet’. Incidentally flightradar24 gives earlier flights taking this route as cruising at 34,000 or 36,000 feet, this one at 38,000 (11,500 m). From personal experience, cruising speed is never less than 10,000 m (c.33,000 feet). Also we have eight minutes added on. Apparently everyone who thought the plane crashed just before 10:41 is wrong: it happened at 10:48.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germanwings-plane-crash-airbus-a320-glide-to-destruction-took-18-minutes-not-8-10131891.html

I found this item by going to today’s Independent online; it turns out this report dates from March 25th and is not directly accessible from that page. Something strange definitely happened at this point because I have no idea how I am supposed to have opened the page and besides, my browsing history has no record of my doing so at all. And yet it caught my eye and I have copied and pasted it below. The question remains: how could such figures be bandied about even four days ago?


Germanwings plane crash: Airbus A320 glide to destruction 'took 18 minutes not 8'

French officials say events 'between 10.30am and 10.31am' will prove 'crucial' to discovering what went wrong
John Lichfield Author Biography

Paris

Wednesday 25 March 2015

Evidence emerged today that the unexplained, gradual dive to destruction of Germanwings Flight 9525 took at least 18 minutes, not eight.

The French environment and transport minister, Ségolène Royal, said that the crew of the Airbus A320 had stopped responding on radio at 10.30am yesterday when the aircraft was over the Mediterranean.

The aircraft slammed into the sheer side of a mountain in the French Alps soon after 10.48am. [This is usually given as 10:40] For those 18 minutes, it gradually shed height from 28,000 feet to less than 2,000 feet without transmitting any form of distress signal.

Ms Royal said that events in the cockpit of the plane “between 10.30am and 10.31am” were “crucial” and may hold the “key” to the mystery of the air disaster which killed 150 people.

Solving that mystery will depend on the two flight recorders aboard the aircraft. One of those boxes – the cockpit voice recorder – arrived in the laboratories of the French air investigation bureau, the BEA, at Le Bourget near Paris this morning.

The French interior minister, Bernard Cazeneuve, said that so-called “black box” had been damaged in the crash but was “usable”. Other officials said that the extent of the damage would decide whether the mystery of the crash could be solved “within hours or in days”.

If the voices of the pilots are still distinguishable, sources said, it may be easy for the investigators to discover what went wrong. If they are not distinguishable, they will have to work from the garbled sounds that remain.
Read more: Rescuers discover 'picture of horror' at crash site
Why did the plane's crew not issue a distress signal?
British nationals 'likely' to be among those killed

The accident investigation bureau is expected to announce its first findings today at a press conference at 4pm Paris time (3pm GMT).

Ms Royal said that all possible explanations for the crash remained open but that, at this stage, the assumption was that the disaster was an accident rather than an act of terrorism.

Radar logs of the Barcelona to Dusselfdorf flight show that at 10.29am yesterday, it was at its cruising height of 28.524 feet [11,500 metres is 3730 feet] over the Mediterranean. At 10.30am it had dropped to 26,453 feet. One minute later, it was at 24,380 feet.

For the next 17 minutes, it shed around 1,000 feet of height a minute – a gradual glide downwards rather than a dive. The plane vanished from radar contact soon after 10.48am and is believed to have crashed a few minutes later.

Ms Royal confirmed this morning that, soon after 10.30am, when the pilots had stopped responding by radio, the French military scrambled a Mirage jet fighter to investigate. This aircraft was seen by eye-witnesses following the doomed airliner as it skimmed the Alpine ridges before crashing into a sheer mountain-side. The pilot of the Mirage could, therefore, also possess crucial information on the Germanwings aircraft's behaviour.

Talking of mirages, read that last sentence again: “The pilot of the Mirage could, therefore, also possess crucial information on the Germanwings aircraft's behaviour”. I’m sure he does, but he’s obviously not talking to the press. He must be feeling very lonely.

[Slorri]

Let's see what the next step is gonna be... psychiatric assessments starting at kindergarten?

It's much about blaming the mentally unstable. A prelude to implementing Artificial Intelligence as governors of the people.

[Carmody]

Now it appears, initial (initial appearance of) rumour wise.... as if the flight data recorder, the memory stick itself, is possibly missing.

And the other thing is that now the rumour mill begins about him being a Muslim convert during his 'missing times'.

Thirdly, that another Airbus a320 has had an issue, having slid off a runway in Halifax. (http://globalnews.ca/news/1909898/breaking-air-canada-plane-hard-landing-on-runway-at-halifax-airport/) Apparently severe weather conditions.

We may be seeing a reluctant and unwilling euro faction being pulled into a 'WWIII started in the euro continent' scenario attempting to be enacted. (while the mid-east blows itself up - with some help, of course)

ie the vaunted 'third Albert pike pump' (the origins of that story have always been under suspicion) may be attempting to assert itself and take place. That some of the players may be unwilling to cross that threshold.

It's almost downright biblical, ie, 'he shall come from the east'.

All that from a crashed airbus? Not quite. But the wind does blow; we can feel it ....and consider it's potential origins.

[Carmody]

They found a lot of psychiatric drugs in the co-pilots appartment. He was under psychiatric treatment for years and the airline (Lufthansa) knew about it!

http://www.focus.de/panorama/welt/er-steuerte-den-airbus-in-die-felsen-vermerk-in-akte-zeigt-andreas-l-hatte-massive-psychologische-probleme_id_4573954.html#

It is always interesting to note that it was known that Goering and Hitler were both completely drugged out on whole messes of concoctions. That Hitler's drugged out condition (messed up on many different drugs) began well before the war.

It is important to remember that in many world situations which affect large parts of the globe, a control grid can be run by just a few people. It just takes time to build up given scenarios. Run a few (scenarios) up the flagpole at the same time, see which take hold... and go with that/those one(s). Simple enough.

If a being connected to such control grid, or the organization (very important) they are involved with (possibly both) lives a life that is longer than the standard human one, it's no different than being a farmer or a dog breeder. One (persons and/or organization plans) outlives the livestock in notable fashion, so twisting them around, genetically or behaviorally - is no great issue.

[Roisin]

I had two precognitive lucid dreams of this airliner crash. The first one occurred on the night of March 9th and the second one occurred on March 13th. After I had the first dream, I then asked for more clarification on it and that’s what seems to have happened on March 13th when I had another dream that I felt was related connected in some way to the first one. Right after I have a dream that I think is precognitive, I type it out and save it in my “dream folder”. Below is a screenshot of both of those dreams that I typed out right after I had them and then save those files in that folder. It states the time and date I saved those files which are highlighted in yellow:
http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/folder_dreams.jpg
Below is what the first dream was about… I’ll go into what was in the second dream in my next post here.

Anyway, just after midnight on March 9th, I woke after having a lucid dream that stated the number “27” two or three times in it. The dream itself had all indications that it could be pre-cognitive due to how hyper-real it was. So days later, on Sunday, March 15th, I created a new avatar for this forum in photoshop with only the number 27 in it and then I came here and uploaded it as my new avatar (notice my avatar to the left of this box). Here’s the property box of that image created on March 15th.

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/propbox27.jpg

This is what the dream was about. A distraught female friend of mine (who in February of this year attempted suicide) shows up in this dream telling me that so and so died on the 27th. Then I say, “So… so and so died on the 27th and you didn’t tell me?!” I get very angry about this and accuse her of keeping secrets from me. Then we get into a shoving match where I then try to punch, grab and bite her hand but I had no success because it was if she was made of rubber.

Then in the next scene, I’m at my apartment and answer the door to let my cousin and some other unidentifiable person in. I then inform him that so and so died on the 27th. He didn’t know that and was very surprised about that. Then his mother, my aunt comes through the door and makes a quick beeline to the bathroom. I then jump ahead of her to tidy up the bathroom before she uses it…. then we each end up cleaning the toilet where I notice that there are letters like what one finds in alphabet soup on the rim of the toilet.

Then we’re back in the livingroom where my aunt suggests that we all go out to eat. I then say that there are restaurants on Ridge Rd. Then my aunt mentions a restaurant that starts it the letter “B”. Then I ask, like Rockney’s? Then my cousin says, “Oh yes, Rockney’s”. (Rockney’s is a franchise restaurant that’s like Friday’s)

So now we’re all seated at the table at a restaurant and our waiter turns out to be a young blondish man who seemed new at the job. IOW’s, he seemed very inexperienced. Amongst other things, after we each order a taco salad, he brings out a big tray with plates of empty Mexican pastry/tortilla shells on them. So we get the shells for our taco salad’s but not the salad itself. lol

At end of the dream, only me and my aunt are sitting the table… the others who were there are no longer at their seats so in the dream I’m wondering out-loud if they are using the restroom/bathroom or if they went out to their cars.
Here’s a screenshot of the above dream that I typed out in notepad after I woke up from it… (blacked out names…..)

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/scnshotnotepaddreamcrashmarch9.jpg

Here's the property box for that file:
http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/propboxmarch9dream.jpg

So as it turns out, there was big air crash in the Alps in France on March 24th. Below are the similarities in my dream above and that incident:

 The co-pilot who is presently being blamed for the crash was 27 yrs of age.

 In my dream. the number 27 was mentioned 3 times and for this reason, thinking that that number would end up being significant in the upcoming days, I made that number my avatar for this forum on March 15th.

--- also, in my dream, I state that the waiter was a young inexperienced/new waiter.... the co-pilot being blamed for the crash was once a Flight Attendant too for the same airline. He also was new at the pilot job too.

 Authorities are saying that this was a pilot suicide incident. At the beginning of my dream, a female friend of mine, who made a suicide attempt last month pops in where she and I get into a punching match. In the airliner incident, the captain was trying to break down the cockpit door with an axe but has no effect in breaking down that door just like when I tried to slug my friend who was like rubber....

 In my dream, the bathroom and the toilet are prominent in it. In that airliner crash, it’s the same thing too… the captain of the plane left the cockpit to use the toilet resulting in him being locked out of the cockpit when he returned.

 In my dream I stated Ridge Rd. When news first came out about that airliner crashing into the Alps, they showed a photo of a deep ridge/valley in the mountains filled with debris from the crash – especially the larger pieces left of the plane.

 In my dream, I say “like Rockney’s” …. IOW’s wrt to the aircrash, the Alps are like the Rocky Mountains.

One more thing, prominent within my dream, was a word said by my aunt that began with the letter "B". The crash occurred near the city/town Barcelonnette in the Alps. Also, that airliner took off from Barcelona, Spain.

[Roisin]

Like I mentioned in my previous post, I asked for some clarification on that first lucid dream I had on March 9th. And on March 13th, I had the following lucid dream which jives with the airliner crash into the Alps.
Here’s a screenshot of that dream that I typed out right after I had it and saved in my dream folder: (note, at the top of that word doc I typed in March 13th, 2005 in error/typo… I meant 2015… not 2005)

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/scrnshotwordmarch13_1.jpg

I’ve circled a number of key words that I think are relevant to that airliner crash i.e. mountains, crashing all over the place, collision etc….
And here is what that “rocket/bomb” looked like in that dream that I saw on an airport runway.

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/rocketplane2.jpg


Below is a graphic of that flight from a news site:

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/plane-graphic-420.jpg


Note: The crucifix could be a metaphor for martyr.

[Harley]

It could be just as they say it is, just a nut job on a death mission, but perhaps there is more to it....and if there is more to it, someone went through great lengths to make sure this plane, a certain person(s) on it, or a certain object in the cargo bay did not make it to it's planned destination point.

And I'll add one more:

A warning or some very serious saber rattling, used by 'one side' to persuade 'another side' to do or not to do something. And if the 'other side' tells anyone who did it things can get a whole lot worse.

This sort of thing goes on all the time between governments and nations, though seldom to this extent and visibility.

Really hate to point a finger, but the clues abound.

Picked these three articles up from ynet news (http://www.ynetnews.com/home/0,7340,L-3089,00.html), listed by order of publication:


1. Kerry cancels plan to return to US to stay at Iran talks

via ynet news (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4641945,00.html)
Associated Press
Published: 03.29.15, 09:22

LAUSANNE - US Secretary of State John Kerry has cancelled plans to return to the United States for an event honoring his late Senate colleague Edward Kennedy in order to remain at the ongoing Iran nuclear talks in Switzerland.

The State Department says Kerry had been looking forward to participating in the dedication of the Kennedy Institute in Boston with the family of the late Massachusetts Senator on Sunday and Monday but due to the ongoing negotiations he "regrets will not be able to share this special time with them in person." Kerry served in the Senate with Kennedy for nearly 25 years.

Kerry's decision to stay at the nuclear talks comes amid signs of the discord in the Iran negotiations ahead of a March 31 deadline for a preliminary deal.


2. Netanyahu: Iranian nuclear deal even worse than Israel had feared

via ynet news (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4642038,00.html)
Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/29/us-nuclear-iran-israel-idUSKBN0MP0B520150329)
Published: 03.29.15, 12:02

[Excerpts]

(Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu condemned on Sunday the framework Iranian nuclear agreement being sought by international negotiators, saying it was even worse than his country had feared.
[...]
"This deal, as it appears to be emerging, bears out all of our fears, and even more than that," Netanyahu told his cabinet in Jerusalem as the United States, five other world powers and Iran worked toward a March 31 deadline in Lausanne, Switzerland.
[...]
"The Iran-Lausanne-Yemen axis is very dangerous to humanity, and must be stopped," he said.
[...]
Israel, which is not a party to the talks and whose hardline demands have not been welcomed in Western capitals, was in an "uphill battle".
[...]


And finally, the reason I am posting all this in this thread:


3. Germany says can't rule out 'further crises' in Iran nuclear talks

via ynet news (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4642229,00.html)
Reuters
Published: 03.29.15, 19:52

German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier on Sunday warned that the stakes in the Iran nuclear negotiations are very high and it was possible there could be further crises ahead of an end-March deadline for a preliminary deal.

Steinmeier was asked by a reporter to describe the atmosphere in the negotiations between Iran, the United States, Britain, France, Germany, Russia and China. He said it was good so far but that it would depend on the two sides' ability to narrow differences in the coming hours. "I ... cannot rule out -- and this is almost always the case with such negotiations where the stakes are high and in which we feel responsible not only to ourselves but to all the others who are not at the table -- I can't rule out that there will be further crises in these negotiations," he said.


"Further Crisis"?

The Co-Pilot just may not be the only 'Unstable Party' to this story.

Almost feels kinda like a clock ticking down.

[turiya]

Have to post this as a related article. The source may be dubious but not totally out of the question... as my oracle indicated to me that the co-pilot had not committed suicide/murder...


US Laser Test That Destroyed Germanwings,
Next Plunges Holland Into Darkness
SOURCE: (http://blogdogcicle.blogspot.ca/2015/03/sorcha-faal-says-us-laser-test-that.html) By Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/man2.jpg
NATO conducted their Friday HELLADS test
just 3 days after they downed Germanwings Flight 9525

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/oiu1.jpg
HELLADS test that blacked out Northern Holland was the third
of its kind performed by NATO over the past nearly 24 months


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqk0BW6QDgs

A new Ministry of Defense (MoD) report circulating in the Kremlin today claims that the failed 24 March US Air Force test of its High Energy Liquid Laser Area Defense System (HELLADS (http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/high-energy-liquid-laser-programme/)) that was attempting to shoot down a simulated Federation nuclear warhead, which resulted in the downing of Germanwings Flight 9525 killing all 150 aboard, was attempted again on Friday, 27 March, but this time resulted in the catastrophic shutdown of the electrical grid in Northern Holland (http://rt.com/news/244537-power-outage-north-holland/), including Amsterdam.

However, this MoD (http://eng.mil.ru/) report points out, the recovered audio from Germanwings Flight 9525 clearly shows the opposite of what the Western propaganda media have been reporting in that the “screams of passengers” are heard first, then they go silent (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqk0BW6QDgs) and the noise that follows is of “crunching metal”, cockpit alarms, and indecipherable radio chatter before all goes silent…all indications, experts in this report point out, that this airliner suffered a catastrophic failure killing all passengers and crews first, after which the airliner exploding in air…and as the debris field proves it did.

According to this report, Friday’s HELLADS test that blacked out Northern Holland was the third of its kind performed by NATO over the past nearly 24 months, the other two having the consequence of (1.) the near catastrophic crash of Lufthansa Flight LH1172 over France in May, 2013 (http://www.airlinereporter.com/2013/05/catching-a-lufthansa-airbus-a321s-rapid-descent-live/), and (2.) the obliteration of Germanwings Flight 9525 on 24 March (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1852.htm), again over France.

In the May, 2013, near disaster of Lufthansa Flight LH1172, this report continues, pre-HELLADS testing by NATO in preparation for the 22 May 2013 launching of an ICBM (http://osimint.com/2013/05/22/usaf-test-launches-minuteman-3-icbm/) from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California was determined by the MoD to be the cause of this near catastrophic incident where this airliner suddenly plunged towards the ground.

Likewise, this report says, the 23 March ICBM launching (http://rt.com/usa/243353-usaf-nuclear-icbm-test/) for the following days HELLADS test that destroyed Germanwings Flight 9525 was then followed by Friday’s (27 March) ICBM launching (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/03/27/air-force-launches-minuteman-missile-from-california-base-in-2nd-test-in-less/) that crippled Northern Holland.

To exactly how these ICBM-HELLADS tests are conducted, this report explains, a LGM-30G Minuteman-III ICBM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-30_Minuteman) is fired to an altitude of 1,120 kilometers (700 miles) at a speed of nearly Mach 24 (approximately 15,000 mph) after which it deploys an Advanced Maneuverable Reentry Vehicle (AMaRV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-30_Minuteman#Advanced_Maneuverable_Reentry_Vehicle)) into Polar orbit and the body of the craft falls into the Pacific Ocean.

The AMaRV, which simulates multiple nuclear warheads, MoD experts in this report say, is then fired upon by the high-energy lasers of the HELLADS in an effort to destroy them as they attempt reentry towards their target(s). The “critical failure” of the HELLADS, however, this report says, has been their use upon the B-1 bomber platform, as was done in all of these tests, which aside from having to be continually tested in the days/weeks leading up to these tests, is notorious for its continued aiming failures.

To why NATO conducted their Friday HELLADS test just 3 days after they downed Germanwings Flight 9525, this report says, was in retaliation for the Federations successful test-firing of an RS-26 Rubezh ballistic missile on Thursday (http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150326/1020029499.html).

And as to why the Western people aren’t being told the truth about NATO’s HELLADS being the cause of the Germanwings Flight 9525 shootdown, the Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR (http://svr.gov.ru/)) had previously reported on (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1854.htm) detailing the massive cover-up operation now being implemented by Western intelligence agencies accusing this airliners co-pilot as being responsible for this disaster.

However, this MoD report points out, the recovered audio from Germanwings Flight 9525 clearly shows the opposite of what the Western propaganda media have been reporting in that the “screams of passengers” are heard first, then they go silent and the noise that follows is of “crunching metal”, cockpit alarms, and indecipherable radio chatter before all goes silent…all indications, experts in this report point out, that this airliner suffered a catastrophic failure killing all passengers and crews first, after which the airliner exploding in air…and as the debris field proves it did.

As has been proven in other such disasters as Germanwings Flight 9525, this report concludes, there is no likelihood of the Western governments ever telling their people the truth about what happened as evidenced by their continued cover-up of the Malaysia Airlines aircraft shot down by a Ukrainian fighter last year…and which Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov warned again on 19 March (http://sputniknews.com/military/20150327/1020072414.html) that the Western media have ignored officially documented information from eyewitnesses, previously obtained by Russian media and investigators, including those indicating the presence of a Ukrainian military jet in the vicinity of the doomed flight, and still to this date the American CIA is still refusing to release their data proving this is true (http://sputniknews.com/military/20150327/1020072414.html).

[Cidersomerset]

I have not got into this case at all apart from a few headlines on the news , but this
article was on David Ickes site which I have posted on another thread. It looks
coincidental but who knows , depends who funded in ? and although George
Noory says ' There are no coincidences ' , I 'm sure there are.But if anyone can
have a delve into it , some of the eager eyes on the forum may find out
something.......

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Outrage over the release of Oscar-nominated movie showing member of aircrew
locking himself in cockpit to crash a plane and kill everyone on board

Saturday 28th March 2015 at 09:39 By David Icke

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Outrage over the release of Oscar-nominated movie showing member of aircrew
locking himself in cockpit to crash a plane and kill everyone on board
Film fans raise chilling similarity between Wild Tales and Alps disaster
First scenes of movie show madman crashing jet to murder his enemies
Acclaimed Argentinian film released in UK today and is out in America
Controversial movie was released in Germany and Spain last autumn

By Martin Robinson and Maria Realf For Mailonline

Published: 14:30, 27 March 2015 | Updated: 19:36, 27 March 2015


‘An Oscar-nominated film will still be released in the UK today despite its disturbing
similarities to the Alps air disaster – to the disgust of cinema-goers near to the
home of one of the three British victims.

Argentinian film Wild Tales features a mass killer who locks himself in the cockpit of
a passenger jet and crashes it in to the ground to murder everyone on board.

In terrifying scenes the fictional passengers panic and one tries to smash his way
through a door to get to the controls in chillingly similar circumstances to the ill-
fated Germanwings Airbus A320 flight.’

Read more: Outrage over the release of Oscar-nominated movie showing member
of aircrew locking himself in cockpit to crash a plane and kill everyone on board

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3014631/Questions-raised-release-Oscar-nominated-movie-showing-member-aircrew-locking-cockpit-crash-plane-kill-board.html

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81124-Miles-W.-Mathis-Theories-about-Engineered-Events-in-History&p=947787#post947787

[bluestflame]

it is conceivable that a young co-pilot under medication and other personal pressures did what he appeared to have done.

it may also be in somebodies interest to create such an event in order to get new security measures online...

such as chipping pilots or even remote sedating/activating/deactivating them with implants etc. should they not perform as desired... then do the same thing to train/bus drivers... and the rest of us

coincedentally today australia( with great haste) announced compulsory 2 persons inside cockpit
at all times , i think this was the agenda all along , but not sure where THAT leads

edit to add : noticed how this has been used to demonise the mentally ill , perhaps to facilitate institutionalisation of anyone the govt assesses as "unstable" ie disgruntled ANYONE , can't get them for breaking a law but can lock up ANYONE under guise of mental illness being a threat , ideal for targeting anyone outspoken and exibiting signs of " conspiracy theory" and
trying to warn others

[Truglivartna]

I don't know whether there has already been a reference to the Cosmic Awareness comment on this Germanwings flight, but I am providing it here as it appears to me to be as appropriate a solution to the explanation of cause as Jimstone's very thorough and astute description -- mentioned elsewhere on this thread, and continually updated by James. Both Jimstone and Cosmic Awareness opinions coincide with my own despite the many still-unanswered questions which we may never have answers to. Regardless of the details, the whole affair has led me to do more than a fair share of HO OPONOPONO "cleaning" in order to be able to sleep well at night. Here's the link to Cosmic Awareness:

http://rainbowphoenixcom.ipage.com/Archives/20150329OM.pdf

and also the link to Dr. Hew Lin's explanation of HO OPONOPONO...a most profound level of awareness and consciousness for those who can recognize it for what it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL972JihAmg

[SilentFeathers]

Reports have suggested he was troubled by his sexuality and also seeking treatment for vision problems. Lubitz had recent hospital treatment for his eyesight, according to officials close to the German investigation.

It was also revealed that the 27-year-old was treated by four psychiatrists in the months leading up to the fatal plane crash, reported the Sun.

A "small mountain" of drugs believed to be antidepressants were found at Lubitz's apartment.

Source (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/germanwings-alps-disaster-co-pilot-andreas-lubitz-trawled-suicide-gay-websites-before-crash-1494044)

Seriously!?!? LOL!

A normal passenger has a hard enough time getting on a plane with nail clippers, a bottle of shampoo, or foot powder in their tennis shoes etc etc etc., but yet a pilot who doesn't know if he's a man or a woman who is under psychiatric care for several reasons by numerous shrinks, and who is taking a mountain of mind altering drugs can get on a plane and fly it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????? yeah right!!!!!!!!!!! and the masses are just gobbling this rubbish up!

Larry, Moe, and Curley had more common sense than most of the people living in the world today!

[Hervé]

Now it appears, initial (initial appearance of) rumour wise.... as if the flight data recorder, the memory stick itself, is possibly missing.

[...]

Apparently, that's the case:


Whether [...] a full investigation by anyone can even take place has [...] been thrown into doubt with the revelation that the all-important data card from the FDR is apparently missing (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/03/25/germanwings_crash_update_flight_4u_9525_wreckage_difficult_to_access.html). Given that the FDR itself has been found, the missing card is hard to explain unless someone deliberately confiscated it.Other significant data omitted and thrown under the rug:


Amid this navel gazing, scant media coverage has been given to the eyewitnesses (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/germanwings-a320-plane-crash-explosion-smoke-before-airbus-plunged-into-french-alps-1493351) who heard an explosion and saw smoke coming out of the plane shortly before it crashed. A helicopter pilot in the French Air Force based in Orange, 30 minutes away from the site of the crash, said that the French Air Force had received a number of corroborating witness testimonies on this point. He also confirmed that debris was found upstream from the crash site - which he said confirmed the fact that the piece of fuselage had "been detached from the aircraft before impact". ... and:


One of the major pieces of data used to justify the "suicide pilot" story comes from the alleged CVR recording where, we are told, Lubitz's 'breath' can be heard. This claim has been directly contested by Gerard Arnoux, an 18-year Air France captain and spokesperson for the national monitoring committee on aviation safety, who appeared on 'Le Grande Journal' two days after the crash (http://www.canalplus.fr/c-divertissement/c-le-grand-journal/pid5411-le-grand-journal.html?vid=1238310). Arnoux stated that there were three errors in the official story:

1) It is not possible to hear a pilot's breath on the CVR. Arnoux states that the cockpit of 1st generation A320s are very noisy, so much so that, in flight, pilots had to use headsets to speak to each other. The idea that the CVR could pick up Lubitz's breath with so much ambient noise is not possible, according to Arnoux.

2) The official story claims that investigators heard the 'beep' of the knob that Lubitz used to start the plane on its descent. Arnoux states categorically that this knob makes no sound.

3) Arnoux also wonders why no mention was made by investigators of hearing the loud strident beeping made by the cockpit door console when the emergency access code is entered to open the cockpit door. Arnoux recognizes that the emergency unlock code could have been overridden by someone in the cockpit manually holding the lock button down, but this would not have prevented the beeping once the code was entered outside. This would have been the clearest confirmation that one of the pilots had been locked out. Yet no mention was made of it. Instead, we are asked to accept the word of those privy to the CVR that someone was "banging on the door" and shouting "open the damn door". And with all that ambient noise in the cockpit too. They must have very good hearing.

It is interesting to hear the response to Arnoux's comments from another member of the panel on the show. He says "so why would the public prosecutor disseminate false information? Are they hiding something?" The response from the others is that he must simply be "misinformed"...

In terms of the way this 'investigation' has been handled, it bears similarities to the case of Egypt Air Flight 990. That crash was most likely the result of an anomalous weather event that proved too much for the mechanical constraints of the aircraft, but from Boeing's point of view, a "suicide pilot" is a much more financially-appealing explanation, so they went with that and opened a criminal investigation, much to the chagrin of the Egyptian authorities (http://www.salon.com/1999/11/16/egyptair/). Full article: http://www.sott.net/article/294482-Germanwings-crash-Not-the-full-story

[Meggings]

To add to the obvious discrepancies and misinformation that mainstream media is feeding us, below are some points you may wish to consider:

1. There was a lady onboard who had been involved in sensitive hidden work for the controllers, and TPTB knew (because they keep tabs on people) that she was close to releasing this info to the public - she was gotten rid of.

2. The two black planes flying alongside the Germanwings were advanced craft from within the secret USA military - they are based on UFO technology - they could fly silently without noise and thus were not heard by those on the ground, who only heard the engines of the Germanwings flight.

3. There was advanced technology onboard that was used to beam mind-control at the co-pilot. This put him into an induced trance-like state in which he was given mind thoughts and images that he was flying the plane properly. He was made to lock the cabin door and flip a switch that caused the plane to descend, but he was unaware he had done this. The advanced tech also made it so he did not register the noise of the captain beating on the door demanding it be opened.

4. There is a failsafe mechanism in Airbus planes that allows an override of a locked cockpit. It did not work, one assumes through the actions of the black craft flying alongside.

5. There is also a direct to satellite communication system that one assumes the pilot used to try to get hold of Lufthansa to advise them of the situation and to take over flying the airplane. This also did not work, one assumes through the actions of the black craft.

6. The Airbus was equipped with flight override equipment and software, but this was not put into effect. No comment about whether it also had been disabled or what - it should have been used, and may have been rendered inoperable.

7. Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany, was given a warning by TPTB through this crash, through train crashes, that she is vulnerable to be killed, for she flies a great deal and any plane can be targeted and made to crash. She had publicly voiced support of BRICS and was leaning her country towards joining with Russia. This was clear to her as a warning to NOT do so. The President of France also was voicing support for BRICS and the possibility of leaving the EU. He also got the meaning of this warning not to do so, for his life could be snuffed out.

[I just found this online: France, Germany, Italy to join China-led $50bn infrastructure bank. The article spoke of BRICS.
Published time: March 17, 2015 13:15]

8. The "ex-girlfriend" who has told reporters the co-pilot was depressed, suicidal, and that "he would make his mark" has uttered total fabrications, and is lying because of...whatever reason not specified.

9. Many friends of the co-pilot have said he was not in any way depressed. Also that the doctor visit was for an unrelated matter. But mainstream controlled media do not report these things to balance the story they are told to spin.

10. A side benefit to the TPTB planning and carrying out such horrific crashes is to generate fear in the general population, who are being shown that there is danger everywhere around them, and now they add fear of flying to the list. The controllers like to have people in a state of anxiety and fear.

I quickly summarized points from a public message given through Cosmic Awareness, and may have missed some or may have been slightly inaccurate. Hence I give the link to this information if you wish to read the two messages regarding this.
http://rainbow-phoenix.com/blog.html

[araucaria]

One of the major pieces of data used to justify the "suicide pilot" story comes from the alleged CVR recording where, we are told, Lubitz's 'breath' can be heard. This claim has been directly contested by Gerard Arnoux, an 18-year Air France captain and spokesperson for the national monitoring committee on aviation safety, who appeared on 'Le Grande Journal' two days after the crash (http://www.canalplus.fr/c-divertissement/c-le-grand-journal/pid5411-le-grand-journal.html?vid=1238310). Arnoux stated that there were three errors in the official story:

1) It is not possible to hear a pilot's breath on the CVR. Arnoux states that the cockpit of 1st generation A320s are very noisy, so much so that, in flight, pilots had to use headsets to speak to each other. The idea that the CVR could pick up Lubitz's breath with so much ambient noise is not possible, according to Arnoux.

2) The official story claims that investigators heard the 'beep' of the knob that Lubitz used to start the plane on its descent. Arnoux states categorically that this knob makes no sound.

3) Arnoux also wonders why no mention was made by investigators of hearing the loud strident beeping made by the cockpit door console when the emergency access code is entered to open the cockpit door. Arnoux recognizes that the emergency unlock code could have been overridden by someone in the cockpit manually holding the lock button down, but this would not have prevented the beeping once the code was entered outside. This would have been the clearest confirmation that one of the pilots had been locked out. Yet no mention was made of it. Instead, we are asked to accept the word of those privy to the CVR that someone was "banging on the door" and shouting "open the damn door". And with all that ambient noise in the cockpit too. They must have very good hearing.

It is interesting to hear the response to Arnoux's comments from another member of the panel on the show. He says "so why would the public prosecutor disseminate false information? Are they hiding something?" The response from the others is that he must simply be "misinformed"...

In terms of the way this 'investigation' has been handled, it bears similarities to the case of Egypt Air Flight 990. That crash was most likely the result of an anomalous weather event that proved too much for the mechanical constraints of the aircraft, but from Boeing's point of view, a "suicide pilot" is a much more financially-appealing explanation, so they went with that and opened a criminal investigation, much to the chagrin of the Egyptian authorities (http://www.salon.com/1999/11/16/egyptair/). Full article: [/URL]http://www.sott.net/article/294482-Germanwings-crash-Not-the-full-story (http://<a href=&quot;http://www.sott.net/article/294482-Germanwings-crash-Not-the-full-story%5b/URL%5d%5b/QUOTE&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;>http://www.sott.net/article/294482-Germanwings-crash-Not-the-full-story</a>[/QUOTE)

Three small points:
1. Le Grand Journal is a popular prime-time chat show broadcast daily by Canal Plus.
2. “pilots had to use headsets to speak to each other”: should read “pilots asked to be issued with ear defenders”
3. Arnoux also deplores the fact that in France the BEA (accident inquiry board) is run by the government, when anywhere else it would be totally independent. This amounts to saying who was ultimately misinforming the public prosecutor.

Added:
4. Le Grand Journal is followed by Le Petit Journal, which is satirical comedy. It so happens they had crews visiting two TV stations on the day of the crash, so they were able to broadcast behind-the-scenes footage of the coverage. Soory, it's all in French.

[URL]http://www.canalplus.fr/c-divertissement/c-le-petit-journal/pid6515-le-petit-journal.html?vid=1237787&sc_cmpid=SharePlayerEmbed

[Carmody]

The entire presented scenario of the co-pilot, the issues he is supposed to have had, is like a wet-dream of perfected attack vectors on the public..if one is a conservative right wing paranoid war mongering freak.

Scenarios of mentality and self conduct...that are impossible for even a deep woods twin otter bush pilot type of company, to hire such a person as an individual pilot.

Next thing we know, the co-pilot will have had evil extra Muslim/liberal/gay/terrorist arms growing out of the middle of his back.

[Roisin]

8. The "ex-girlfriend" who has told reporters the co-pilot was depressed, suicidal, and that "he would make his mark" has uttered total fabrications, and is lying because of...whatever reason not specified.

She was carrying on a relationship with a guy who was living with his girlfriend. That's no different than having an affair with a married man so that implies that this woman is amoral and not to be trusted. She does not know the difference between right and wrong.... or she just doesn't give a hoot about such matters. IOW's, she's TRASH. She undoubtedly contacted the media herself to tell her story which implies that she's an attention seeker looking for her 15 minutes of fame.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2014/03/11/multimedia/nytm-031214-midnight/nytm-031214-midnight-videoSixteenByNine1050.jpg

PS -- either that or she's a mole.

http://piddleville.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/mata_hari_01.jpg

[Slorri]

...
Full article: http://www.sott.net/article/294482-Germanwings-crash-Not-the-full-story

A commenter there also mentioned the memory stone, created and erected within two days.


Relatives stand at a monument to honor the victims of Germanwings Flight 9525 near the crash site on March 26, 2015 in Le Vernet, France.

[araucaria]

As this story begins to disappear off MSM radars, please note this important final detail: before leaving this plane of existence, the diabolical monster who did this left his girlfriend pregnant. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/03/29/andreas-lubitz-partner-child_n_6964762.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Just as we thought we had at least got rid of the monster, it turns out to be self-replicating....

[panopticon]

8. The "ex-girlfriend" who has told reporters the co-pilot was depressed, suicidal, and that "he would make his mark" has uttered total fabrications, and is lying because of...whatever reason not specified.

She was carrying on a relationship with a guy who was living with his girlfriend. That's no different than having an affair with a married man so that implies that this woman is amoral and not to be trusted. She does not know the difference between right and wrong.... or she just doesn't give a hoot about such matters. IOW's, she's TRASH. She undoubtedly contacted the media herself to tell her story which implies that she's an attention seeker looking for her 15 minutes of fame.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2014/03/11/multimedia/nytm-031214-midnight/nytm-031214-midnight-videoSixteenByNine1050.jpg

PS -- either that or she's a mole.

http://piddleville.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/mata_hari_01.jpg

I thought she was the ex-fiance who had left him a few weeks/month ago. I've not been following the on-going saga closely but hadn't heard that he had a new girlfriend.

Is that the case?

If he had a new girlfriend then that moves away from the depression from a "broken heart" narrative.

BTW without knowledge of the relationship I don't think it's appropriate to pass judgement on a woman who I don't know and may well be pregnant and trying to work out what she is going to do (eg to support or abort the child).

It's not like she's going to be getting compensation from the airline or any financial support from her ex now is it...

-- Pan

Addendum:

I just had a bit of a look and it appears the ex-fiance is a 26 year old secondary school teacher who found out she was pregnant a few weeks ago and seems to have been in the process of leaving him.

That's from the reports I've looked at.

Anyone got anything different?

[panopticon]

Daily Mail:

Friends of Germanwings crash pilot say he is being framed as part of a Lufthansa cover-up over mechanical failings (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3019273/Friends-Germanwings-crash-pilot-say-framed-Lufthansa-cover-mechanical-failings-Google-Maps-blur-former-home-stop-people-looking-up.html)

Friends of killer pilot Andreas Lubitz claim he is being framed for murder as part of an elaborate cover-up by his airline company to hide mechanical faults with the plane.

They have set up a Facebook page titled 'Andreas Lubitz A320, we are against the hunt' where they have been sharing their theories about the cause of the Alps disaster.

Some suggest the black box voice recorder had been tampered with by Germanwings parent company, Lufthansa, to make it appear as if Lubitz had deliberately crashed the plane.

Meanwhile, it has emerged that Lubitz's home that he shared with his girlfriend in Dusseldorf has been blurred out on Google Maps in an apparent attempt by family to quell frenetic focus on his life.

Data extracted from the voice recorder last week revealed how senior pilot Patrick Sonderheimer desperately tried to smash the cockpit door down after being locked out by his colleague.

Prosecutors said Lubitz then proceeded to set the plane on a collision course with the mountain, killing all 150 people on board.

However, commenters allege that the recordings were manufactured in some way by Lufthansa to hide mechanical problems with the plane, according to a report by Vocativ.

Hundreds of its followers are understood to be from the pilot's home of Montabaur in Germany and its surrounding area.

One supporter, who claims to be a former classmate, said: 'I believe in the innocence of Andy!'

They also point out that the second black box data recorder had not yet been recovered from the crash site, which they claim was also proof of a cover-up.

Others also suggested that one of Lubitz's former girlfriends was paid by the media to say that he had once planned to commit a 'heinous act' that would go down in history.

Lufthansa declined to comment.

In a separate development relatives have apparently asked Google to blur out Lubitz's home in Dusseldorf that he shared with girlfriend Kathrin Goldbach from its Maps service.

The move came at some point over the last week since the Alps disaster.

Individuals and governments can ask for Google Maps images to be blurred over privacy concerns.

After concerns from government officials in 2010, the internet giant offered an opt-out policy to Germans in order to 'obey local privacy laws.'

Around 250,000 Germans are believed to have taken up the offer, according to Vocativ.

The flat has been the scene of intense focus since the crash and reported claims that Miss Goldbach, 26, discovered that she was expecting his baby as little as two weeks ago.

The pair, who are said to have had a patchy relationship over the last seven years, were letting the pregnancy news sink in when Lubitz crashed the jet, according to German newspaper Bild.

Source (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3019273/Friends-Germanwings-crash-pilot-say-framed-Lufthansa-cover-mechanical-failings-Google-Maps-blur-former-home-stop-people-looking-up.html)

-- Pan

[Roisin]

He had a five month affair with an airline stewardess last year while he was living with his long time girlfriend who is a school teacher and is said to be pregnant now with his child. This is the information that was in the news about that.

When the stewardess found out about that crash she contacted the media to tell them what she knew about him.

And no apologies about her on my end.... in my book, she's an amoral opportunist and he's an adulterer.

[aranuk]

For many years I was under the impression that all commercial airline pilots had to have many thousands of hours flying time experience before they were allowed to fly commercial planes. Apparently this is not so nowadays as it was reported that Lubnitz had only flown gliders before his training to fly commercial jets. By this, it means almost anyone with average learning abilities can become an airline pilot does it not?

Stan

[Sophocles]

From found to damaged to lost: Lufthansa now says flight data recorder on Germanwings Flight 9525 'may never be found' (http://www.sott.net/article/294543-From-found-to-damaged-to-lost-Lufthansa-now-says-flight-data-recorder-on-Germanwings-Flight-9525-may-never-be-found)


Sott.net Mon, 30 Mar 2015

Germany's national airline Lufthansa says that the flight data recorder which could provide key evidence about the causes of the Germanwings plane crash last Tuesday may never be found.

Speaking on Gunter Jauch, a popular Sunday night talk show, the Lufthansa manager Kay Kratky said "it could be that the damage was so serious that it [the flight data recorder] is sending no signal."

While the first black box, which contains audio recording from the cockpit was recovered soon after search and rescue teams arrived at the crash site, the second black box's whereabouts have remained elusive.

The plane is reckoned to have hit the crash site in the French Alps at a speed in the region of 800 kph, causing the plane to fragment and scatter over a wide area.

The impact, and the remote location of the crash site, have made recovery of objects vital in the search complicated.

Information gathered from the audio recorder led French prosecutors to the conclusion that the co-pilot Andreas Lubitz deliberately locked the captain out of the cockpit and intentionally crashed the plane into the remote mountain region.

The flight data recorder, which logs all technical data from the flight, could provide vital further evidence in explaining the minutes leading up to the crash.

[Harley]

"The Mouth" (MSM) is still extremely effective.

If you tell a Lie long enough it will eventually be regarded as Truth.

They have so flooded this event with focused disinformation that even you all are believing it.

Very disappointing.

[Hervé]

Now it appears, initial (initial appearance of) rumour wise.... as if the flight data recorder, the memory stick itself, is possibly missing.

[...]

Apparently, that's the case:


Whether [...] a full investigation by anyone can even take place has [...] been thrown into doubt with the revelation that the all-important data card from the FDR is apparently missing (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/03/25/germanwings_crash_update_flight_4u_9525_wreckage_difficult_to_access.html). Given that the FDR itself has been found, the missing card is hard to explain unless someone deliberately confiscated it.Other significant data omitted and thrown under the rug:


Amid this navel gazing, scant media coverage has been given to the eyewitnesses (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/germanwings-a320-plane-crash-explosion-smoke-before-airbus-plunged-into-french-alps-1493351) who heard an explosion and saw smoke coming out of the plane shortly before it crashed. A helicopter pilot in the French Air Force based in Orange, 30 minutes away from the site of the crash, said that the French Air Force had received a number of corroborating witness testimonies on this point. He also confirmed that debris was found upstream from the crash site - which he said confirmed the fact that the piece of fuselage had "been detached from the aircraft before impact". ... and:


One of the major pieces of data used to justify the "suicide pilot" story comes from the alleged CVR recording where, we are told, Lubitz's 'breath' can be heard. This claim has been directly contested by Gerard Arnoux, an 18-year Air France captain and spokesperson for the national monitoring committee on aviation safety, who appeared on 'Le Grande Journal' two days after the crash (http://www.canalplus.fr/c-divertissement/c-le-grand-journal/pid5411-le-grand-journal.html?vid=1238310). Arnoux stated that there were three errors in the official story:

1) It is not possible to hear a pilot's breath on the CVR. Arnoux states that the cockpit of 1st generation A320s are very noisy, so much so that, in flight, pilots had to use headsets to speak to each other. The idea that the CVR could pick up Lubitz's breath with so much ambient noise is not possible, according to Arnoux.

2) The official story claims that investigators heard the 'beep' of the knob that Lubitz used to start the plane on its descent. Arnoux states categorically that this knob makes no sound.

3) Arnoux also wonders why no mention was made by investigators of hearing the loud strident beeping made by the cockpit door console when the emergency access code is entered to open the cockpit door. Arnoux recognizes that the emergency unlock code could have been overridden by someone in the cockpit manually holding the lock button down, but this would not have prevented the beeping once the code was entered outside. This would have been the clearest confirmation that one of the pilots had been locked out. Yet no mention was made of it. Instead, we are asked to accept the word of those privy to the CVR that someone was "banging on the door" and shouting "open the damn door". And with all that ambient noise in the cockpit too. They must have very good hearing.

It is interesting to hear the response to Arnoux's comments from another member of the panel on the show. He says "so why would the public prosecutor disseminate false information? Are they hiding something?" The response from the others is that he must simply be "misinformed"...

In terms of the way this 'investigation' has been handled, it bears similarities to the case of Egypt Air Flight 990. That crash was most likely the result of an anomalous weather event that proved too much for the mechanical constraints of the aircraft, but from Boeing's point of view, a "suicide pilot" is a much more financially-appealing explanation, so they went with that and opened a criminal investigation, much to the chagrin of the Egyptian authorities (http://www.salon.com/1999/11/16/egyptair/). Full article: http://www.sott.net/article/294482-Germanwings-crash-Not-the-full-story

Did you guys read the above with a blank stare or something?

Can't anyone see what's happening?

Well, IMO, what's happening is that MSM is applying "Conspiracy 101"!

Why?

The first step of the psy-op was to "leak" info... Ooooh... leaked info... more trustable than anything else!

The three quoted item above then reveal the rest of it while dismantling any of their claims:

Think about it for just a little while and wonder how come a presumed co-pilot breath can be heard in a noisy Flight Deck which requires pilot and co-pilot to wear headset in order to hear each other?

Then, how come, as reported, they could hear light knocks on the door but they never mentioned a f***ing explosion that was heard from the ground, coming from a smoky plane right before it crashed!?

Disgusting! To put it mildly!


See what Reuters did with firsthand witness testimony about MH17:


aCfLiiDmw8k
See this post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?73055-Malaysian-Plane-MH17-shot-down-with-over-295-on-board.-But-by-who&p=947977&viewfull=1#post947977

[panopticon]

Black box reported found:

Second black box found from French Alps plane crash: prosecutor (http://news.yahoo.com/second-black-box-found-french-alps-plane-crash-134958557.html)

Marseille (AFP) - The second black box from the Germanwings plane that crashed in the French Alps last week has been found after a nine-day search, prosecutors said on Thursday.

Authorities are hoping to unearth more clues about the disaster from the black box after the first voice recorder suggested that co-pilot Andreas Lubitz deliberately locked the plane on a collision course with the mountains.

Source (http://news.yahoo.com/second-black-box-found-french-alps-plane-crash-134958557.html)

[Hervé]

AirLive.net @airlivenet
(https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=@airlivenet) BREAKING: Second black box found from French Alps plane crash: prosecutor. (AFP) - @NewsOnTheMin (http://twitter.com/NewsOnTheMin)

29 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/airlivenet/status/583625699552075776)

I see that Pan beat me to it :)


the first voice recorder suggested that co-pilot Andreas Lubitz

... the CVR didn't suggest anything... the one who listen to it DID!

[panopticon]

There are also reports that he was researching the cockpit door mechanism on the Airbus (as a pilot flying one why would he be researching that?) and had been searching for information on suicide...

Seems a bit odd.

-- Pan

[Slorri]

The prosecutors are acting very strange.
Why should it be accepted for them to spread out rumours like this?

[Harley]

Ever since the first reports of this airliner's crash the media has been generating MASS AMOUNTS OF (DIS)INFORMATION.

Please read below and THEN come to your own EDUCATED conclusions.

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http://www.bea.aero/img/interface/header_logo_et_coord.gif

The BEA (Bureau d'Enquêtes et d'Analyses pour la sécurité de l'aviation civile) (http://www.bea.aero/en/) is the French authority responsible for safety investigations into accidents or incidents in civil aviation.

The safety investigation, whose sole objective is to prevent future accidents and incidents, includes the gathering and analysis of information, the drawing of conclusions, including the determination of cause(s) and/or contributing factors and, when appropriate, the making of safety recommendations (European Regulation 996/2010 article 2 part 14). (http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2010:295:0035:0050:EN:PDF)

The identification of causes does not imply the assignment of fault or the determination of administrative, civil or criminal liability (European Regulation 996/2010 article 2 part 04) (http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2010:295:0035:0050:EN:PDF).

Organisation of Safety Investigations (http://www.bea.aero/en/bea/les-enquetes/organisation.php)

[Highlighted Text]

"In accordance with international agreements [...]"

"Only those able to contribute to its progress are associated with the investigation."

"According to the law, they are subject to professional secrecy [...]"

"[...] discussions that are indispensable to its progress cannot be made public."

"As long as it is not finished, the BEA refuses to speculate on any scenarios for the accident that bring no understanding of the causes and thus improve safety and can only further disturb the families of the victims and public opinion."

"Right at the beginning of the investigation, safety investigators from the BEA’s counterparts, assisted by experts, are associated with its conduct."

[Full Text]

The BEA duty room is the contact point to declare an accident or a serious incident. This declaration, also called a « notification » allows the BEA to gather initial information and to take the necessary steps to initiate the investigation.

Rapidly, an Investigator-in-charge (IIC), responsible for the conduct of the investigation, is appointed. His mission is to lead the investigation from notification until the production of the final report. According to the circumstances of the event, the IIC may call in other investigators to create working groups.

When the event occurs abroad and involves France in accordance with the provisions of Annex 13 [Legal Context] (http://www.bea.aero/en/bea/qui-sommes-nous/cadre-juridique.php) the State where the event has occurred must « notify » the BEA so that an investigator, known as an Accredited Representative, can be nominated. He is the official correspondent of the Investigator-in-Charge for the State of Occurrence.

In accordance with international agreements, representatives of the State of Registry of the airline (in the case of an accident to a foreign airline that occurs on French territory), representatives of the State of Manufacture or Design of the aeroplane and some onboard equipment or even States with a large number of citizens who are victims, are associated with the safety investigation directed by the Investigator-in-charge (IIC). They can be accompanied, at the request of the IIC and under his control, by experts from the manufacturer of the aeroplane or the airline involved.

Only those able to contribute to its progress are associated with the investigation. According to the law, they are subject to professional secrecy, since confidential or non validated information is exchanged during the course of the investigation and discussions that are indispensable to its progress cannot be made public.

The safety investigation into a public transport accident is a complex process, even when the flight recorders are available, since, given the high level of safety that is reached in public transport in advanced countries, an accident necessarily results from a chain of causes in which each event is highly unlikely. All possible factors must be reviewed: the weather, the preparation of the flight, air traffic control, the condition of the aeroplane, the pilots’ qualifications, the organisation of the airline, etc., all of which requires considerable work in seeking out information from all of those involved.

A large-scale investigation lasts two years on average, rarely less, sometimes much longer. As long as it is not finished, the BEA refuses to speculate on any scenarios for the accident that bring no understanding of the causes and thus improve safety and can only further disturb the families of the victims and public opinion.

Right at the beginning of the investigation, safety investigators from the BEA’s counterparts, assisted by experts, are associated with its conduct.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

If the above is not self-explanatory,
If you still cannot see what's going on here,
Then I cannot help you.

[panopticon]

Good post Harley.

There are a few inconsistencies in the mainstream story.

How can the passengers be heard screaming from the cockpit voice recorder?
How was the co-pilots breathing heard on the cockpit voice recorder?
Why did the co-pilots breathing not change?
What were the reported explosions heard by witnesses (described by some as sounding like avalanches) prior to the main explosion/impact?
Why are there leaks & statements from the French prosecutor and safety agency?

It has also been alleged that mobile phone footage has been recovered (http://news.sky.com/story/1456421/video-captures-final-moments-of-alps-crash) which shows the passenger cabin in the moments prior to the plane crashing.

These alone lead me to think that there is more to the story of flight 9525 than we know.

Again, I go back to money, control and power...

From this it seems to me that the narrative is being controlled/constructed by vested interests.

Why else would this suicide narrative (especially if it actually is true) have been constructed and agreed to so rapidly?

-- Pan


Ever since the first reports of this airliner's crash the media has been generating MASS AMOUNTS OF (DIS)INFORMATION.

Please read below and THEN come to your own EDUCATED conclusions.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.bea.aero/img/interface/header_logo_et_coord.gif

The BEA (Bureau d'Enquêtes et d'Analyses pour la sécurité de l'aviation civile) (http://www.bea.aero/en/) is the French authority responsible for safety investigations into accidents or incidents in civil aviation.

The safety investigation, whose sole objective is to prevent future accidents and incidents, includes the gathering and analysis of information, the drawing of conclusions, including the determination of cause(s) and/or contributing factors and, when appropriate, the making of safety recommendations (European Regulation 996/2010 article 2 part 14). (http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2010:295:0035:0050:EN:PDF)

The identification of causes does not imply the assignment of fault or the determination of administrative, civil or criminal liability (European Regulation 996/2010 article 2 part 04) (http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2010:295:0035:0050:EN:PDF).

Organisation of Safety Investigations (http://www.bea.aero/en/bea/les-enquetes/organisation.php)

[Highlighted Text]

"In accordance with international agreements [...]"

"Only those able to contribute to its progress are associated with the investigation."

"According to the law, they are subject to professional secrecy [...]"

"[...] discussions that are indispensable to its progress cannot be made public."

"As long as it is not finished, the BEA refuses to speculate on any scenarios for the accident that bring no understanding of the causes and thus improve safety and can only further disturb the families of the victims and public opinion."

"Right at the beginning of the investigation, safety investigators from the BEA’s counterparts, assisted by experts, are associated with its conduct."

[Full Text]

The BEA duty room is the contact point to declare an accident or a serious incident. This declaration, also called a « notification » allows the BEA to gather initial information and to take the necessary steps to initiate the investigation.

Rapidly, an Investigator-in-charge (IIC), responsible for the conduct of the investigation, is appointed. His mission is to lead the investigation from notification until the production of the final report. According to the circumstances of the event, the IIC may call in other investigators to create working groups.

When the event occurs abroad and involves France in accordance with the provisions of Annex 13 [Legal Context] (http://www.bea.aero/en/bea/qui-sommes-nous/cadre-juridique.php) the State where the event has occurred must « notify » the BEA so that an investigator, known as an Accredited Representative, can be nominated. He is the official correspondent of the Investigator-in-Charge for the State of Occurrence.

In accordance with international agreements, representatives of the State of Registry of the airline (in the case of an accident to a foreign airline that occurs on French territory), representatives of the State of Manufacture or Design of the aeroplane and some onboard equipment or even States with a large number of citizens who are victims, are associated with the safety investigation directed by the Investigator-in-charge (IIC). They can be accompanied, at the request of the IIC and under his control, by experts from the manufacturer of the aeroplane or the airline involved.

Only those able to contribute to its progress are associated with the investigation. According to the law, they are subject to professional secrecy, since confidential or non validated information is exchanged during the course of the investigation and discussions that are indispensable to its progress cannot be made public.

The safety investigation into a public transport accident is a complex process, even when the flight recorders are available, since, given the high level of safety that is reached in public transport in advanced countries, an accident necessarily results from a chain of causes in which each event is highly unlikely. All possible factors must be reviewed: the weather, the preparation of the flight, air traffic control, the condition of the aeroplane, the pilots’ qualifications, the organisation of the airline, etc., all of which requires considerable work in seeking out information from all of those involved.

A large-scale investigation lasts two years on average, rarely less, sometimes much longer. As long as it is not finished, the BEA refuses to speculate on any scenarios for the accident that bring no understanding of the causes and thus improve safety and can only further disturb the families of the victims and public opinion.

Right at the beginning of the investigation, safety investigators from the BEA’s counterparts, assisted by experts, are associated with its conduct.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

If the above is not self-explanatory,
If you still cannot see what's going on here,
Then I cannot help you.

[turiya]

Back to CERN for a Moment...


Germanwings, CERN and Gravimetric Distortions


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga2KWPo6BuI
Published on April 2 2015



CERN: CRASH COURSE

When Ground Zero first began in 1995, the subject of secret government projects dealing in electromagnetic frequency control, and the force multiplying of energy upon the ionosphere and magnetosphere was still in its infancy.

These projects spawned a great number of conspiracy theories dealing with electromagnetic resonant induction and mass population control methods. The HAARP Project along with the Montauk collider and Brookhaven collider seem to be the targeted facilities in every case dealing with Electro Magnetic experimentation, weather and earthquake force multipliers, time travel, and mass behavioral control methods.

Brookhaven Labs supercollider named one of the giant magnets “Phenix” (sic) which is ironic when you consider that nearby Montauk was the location of Project Phoenix and Phoenix II projects respectively.

Many are aware of the Philadelphia Experiment at Montauk which was allegedly the precursor to the unified field testing that we hear about at CERN and the Higgs Boson findings.

Furthermore it is also an interesting footnote when other strange coincidences show up and you have to stop and pause for thought.

The Brookhaven RHIC (Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider) was the first machine in the world capable of colliding heavy ions, which are atoms which have had their outer cloud of electrons removed.

In the area of Montauk and near the Brookhaven RHIC there were at one time reports of various plane disasters that occurred while these facilities were operating.

One of the planes that went down in the air corridor near Brookhaven was Swissair Flight 111. The plane left from New York and started reporting problems soon after the plane went down Sept. 2, 1998. After the black boxes were recovered it was interesting to note that both tapes went blank before the plane crashed. As if they had been erased or shut off. Out of the 229 people who perished two of them were important figures at Brookhaven National Labs.

Dr. Klaus Kinder-Geiger, was a top physicist at the Nuclear Theory Group at the Brookhaven National Laboratory. Kinder-Geiger was working on a computerized model of large nuclei at high energies. Dr. Per Spanne also died in the crash. He was known as a pioneer in the field of microbeam radiation therapy and diagnostic X-rays. Spanne, from Sweden was also a guest researcher at the Brookhaven laboratory.

Another crash shrouded in elusive mystery is of Course TWA Flight 800.

Anytime there is discussion that is critical of the 40 million dollars that was spent for the investigation of TWA flight 800, there seems to be an immediate dismissal of any other possibility of the cause. It is dismissed as conspiracy theory and investigative journalists are written off as crackpot theorists even though the synchronicities that exist are just to good to overlook.

For example Brookhaven Labs coincidentally was mentioned in the London times after the initial reports of a ball of light raced up towards the jet before it went down. A CIA Data System II satellite positioned over the Brookhaven National Laboratory allegedly showed that a glowing object raced up to the TWA jet, passing it, then changing course and smashing into it.

Many would say later that it was a missile could it have been electromagnetic energy balls being released from the earth? Or from a lab? Or a clandestine electromagnetic facility known for dabbling in space-time manipulation like the allegedly abandoned Montauk’s Camp Hero?

There were several witnesses who claimed that they saw what appeared to be a ball of light that brought down TWA Flight 800. If you believe a missile brought the plane down then any theory that even smacks of electromagnetic balls of light would probably not sway you. However, theoretically speaking, magnetic rips in space time can create a ripple or wormhole effect which could cause bright flashes that could ignite fuel causing a plane to explode. Some will say it’s improbable, but not impossible.

Brookhaven Labs even stated in a press release that John Marburger, Brookhaven’s director, set up a committee of physicists to investigate whether the project could go disastrously wrong. We reported that in the process that small black holes could be made and that it could suck in surrounding matter. Professor Bob Jaffe, director of the Center for Theoretical Physics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said he believed the risk was tiny but could not be ruled out.

BNL confirmed that there had been discussion over the possibility of perturbations in the universe.

The fear that anything surrounding the facility could disappear without a trace or the chance of a catastrophe happening is according to officials “highly unlikely.”

However if a small black hole was created in a supercollider we would not want to be there when it happens. Even microscopic black holes can grow exponentially, eventually obliterating Earth. Once again the officials stress that the danger is minimal.

On the day of the Downing of the John F. Kennedy Junior’s Piper Saratoga Plane Ground Zero Reported that the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) at Brookhaven had been test fired and ever since, strange reports have come from that area.

There were documented reports of green flashes of light and pilots reported seeing bright flashes that they had to look away from because of the intensity of the arc.

Later Egypt Air 990 crashed in the same general area near Brookhaven.

Doesn’t this sound Familiar?

On Friday March 13th, 2015 CERN announced that it would fire the Atlas stream in preparation for a test on 15th. Just prior to the test NASA launched its Magnetospheric Multi-scale (MMS) mission, where 4 identical space craft were sent into space to study ‘magnetic reconnection’ when magnetic fields lines from the Sun cross paths with Earth releasing bursts of energy toward the ground.

These bursts of energy sometimes create sky quakes or huge bursts of energy that double back on Earth. It was speculated that these stateliest were conveniently fired into space to monitor CERN’s Large Hadron Collider effects on the magnetic field.

CERN announced that it was pulling back its double power tests until sometime in May to avoid possible overload of the magnets.

The Gravity Field and Steady-State Ocean Circulation Explorer (Goce) was launched in March 2009. It flies pole to pole at an altitude of just 254.9km — the lowest orbit of any research satellite in operation today.

The spacecraft carries three pairs of precision-built platinum blocks inside its gradiometer instrument that can sense fantastically small accelerations.

This extraordinary performance allows it to map the almost imperceptible differences in the pull exerted by the mass of the planet from one place to the next — from the great mountain ranges to the deepest ocean trenches. Just getting it to work has tested the best minds in Europe.

The information it has sent sounds like something out of a science fiction TV show like Star Trek and it is now challenging a lot of the ideas we have about the surface of the planet and how we view magnetic influences, gravimetric and geological data.

It is important to point this out because theoretically with all of the experiments we have been doing with both the ionosphere and the magnetosphere, there is a slight chance that there are from time to time invisible highly magnetically charged energy ribbons that can cause severe gravimetric distortions in certain areas of the earth.

If we were to map the earth in a way that showed gravity and magnetic fluctuations, the perfect spheroid of Earth we are used to seeing would look more like a misshapen potato. The planet earth does not have the same gravity pull equally on its surface. This is the trick gravity plays on Earth because the space rock on which we live is not a perfect sphere and its interior mass is not evenly distributed.

The magnetic core can at times move about inside the earth creating all kinds of anomalous activity that theoretically can be manipulated by the Large Hadron Collider at CERN in Geneva.

In 1995, geophysicist Markus Gurk completed a study (http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Marcus_Gurk/citations?sorting=citationCount&page=1) [See Article 1] where he theorized that the Alps, an extensive mountain range in Europe, had areas deep underneath the mountains of highly charged electric currents that flowed through what is called a “crustal conductor.”

Applying Hypothetical Event Analysis it is proposed that a spatial decoupling of the induction processes with depth and a conductivity anomaly is presumably due to the northward indentation by the Adriatic plate.

Based on the available seismic, gravimetric and geologic data from the past years, our understanding of the deep structure of the Central Alps has to be revised. It is quite probable that gravimetric distortion waves are possible over the mountain range and that an energy ribbon (electromagnetic lightning) could be responsible for these distortions.

It is also interesting to note that GOCE has also detected the same anomalies over the Himalayas, South-East Asia, the Andes mountain range, and in Antarctica.

Keep in mind that these gravimetric events are rare. However if we were to somehow find a correlation between gravimetric distortions, magnetic and particle physics experiments at CERN and the creation of a wormhole or Nexus ribbon over the Alps this would make a compelling argument as to how an Airbus operated by Lufthansa’s Germanwings budget airline crashed into a mountainside in the French Alps on Tuesday, killing all 150 people on board including 16 schoolchildren. Germanwings confirmed its flight 4U 9525 from Barcelona to Dusseldorf went down with 144 passengers and six crew on board.

Is there a possibility that CERN and the tests at the LHC are somehow triggering more gravimetric distortion waves and are they traveling thousands of miles when the magnets at CERN are at full power?

Many argue that the collider would have minimal effect at low power, however in the quest for the Higgs Boson particle the collider fired at approximately 7 trillion volts. It is now being reported that by June or later the collider will use a side step process to top off its power at 17 trillion volts.

When the Germanwings airbus crashed, on Tuesday the 24th of March CERN was firing test streams at the particle collider and was at low power. During the test firing CERN metaphorically blew a tire with an unexpected short-circuit in the wiring of one of the vital magnets abruptly shut down the operation.

Engineers had been expected to start on Wednesday pumping proton beams in opposite directions all the way round the two 17-mile underground tubes in the LHC. These were the first low power tests since CERN closed down for the past two years for maintenance.

That would have been the prelude to the start of particle collisions in late May at twice the power of those in the LHC’s first run from 2010-2013.

Hopes for the second run lie in breaking out of what it known as the Standard Model of how the universe works at the level of elementary particles, and into “New Physics.”

That includes searching for the dark matter that makes up about 96 percent of the stuff of the universe but can only be detected by its influence on visible matter around it.

CERN scientists expressed disappointment at the last-minute problem, in just one of the underground machine’s eight sectors, which have been rewired and checked thoroughly during the closedown. But the research center’s director general, Rolf Heuer, played down its significance.

“All the signs are good for a great run,” he said in a statement. “In the grand scheme of things, a few weeks delay in humankind’s quest to understand our universe is little more than the blink of an eye.”

It is also a sick coincidence that if anything goes wrong with the tests earth could be destroyed in the blink of an eye. If the Germanwings crash is connected, then we can see just what minimal power can do to aggravate gravimetric distortion waves in the Alps.

Questions need answers. Why did the plane JUST fall out of the sky for 8 minutes? How does the White House know that terrorism wasn’t involved? Stories running in The Mirror and Daily Mail now call out an electrical fault on the plane as a possible cause.

While it is true that A-320 went down over 125 miles away from CERN, if this crash had anything to do with CERN, the field the LHC would cast 20,000+ feet in the air would be much different than at the surface.

That is why we must also include the conductive crust theory that may exist under the Alps and how an electrified Nexus could form and move quickly through the area cutting everything in its path like piano wire.

You don’t mess with the geomagnetic fields in an area that is believed to be erratic in the first place.

We are aware that correlation is not causation.

When evidence seems to be so convoluted and nebulous it seems only natural to start coming up with the improbable. You need to remember that improbable does not always mean that it is out of the realm of possibility.

Tonight, Clyde brings back Anthony Patch to discuss the recent technical problems at CERN and the possibility that the recent airplane crash in the Alps was caused by the Large Hadron Collider.

Anthony Patch
Clyde Lewis of Ground Zero Radio
Ground Zero Radio Podcasts Link: https://soundcloud.com/groundzeromedia
Geophysicist Marcus Gurk pdf: http://www.terrapub.co.jp/journals/EPS/pdf/5110/51101023.pdf
End Times Matrix News video Link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSX7Zv0gGpoXoR4QaBlGLVQ


________________________ADD EDIT________________________

Magnetic distortion of GDS transfer functions:
An example from the Penninic Alps of Eastern Switzerland
revealing a crustal conductor
by Marcus Gurk

Abstract

We carried out sixty-four MT and GDS soundings in the eastern Swiss Alps to obtain information on the electrical conductivity distribution. One of the main findings is an anomalous directional behaviour of the real induction arrows over the entire period range (T = 1–300; s) on the Bündnerschiefer. The Bündnerschiefer occurs between the crystalline Aar and Gotthard massives to the North and the crystalline Penninic nappes (Adula, Tambo, Suretta) to the South within the investigation area. The sediments form an elongated eastwards plunging ramp with a possible conductive link to the Northern Swiss Permo-carboniferous trough (Molasse basin). We consider electric currents induced in various local and regional conductive structures and leaking into the Bündnerschiefer as possible causes for the observed effect upon the electromagnetic field. Applying Hypothetical Event Analysis (HEA) we find a spatial decoupling of the induction processes with depth and a conductivity anomaly presumably due to the northward indentation by the Adriatic plate.
SOURCE (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1186%2FBF03351576)

________________________END EDIT________________________

[Slorri]

It should be obvious to anyone that the officials are lying.
Look at this guy, making up excuses for how and why they found this FDR (again).
Every word he uses, and his body language, are indications of lies.

It was burnt, and it was buried. How did that happen. Did it burn in the air? Or did someone bury it after it was burnt on the ground?

This is a disgrace.

URGENT Crash de Germanwings : la deuxième boîte noire confirme une action volontaire du copilote (enquêteurs) (http://www.france24.com/fr/urgent/20150403-crash-germanwings-deuxieme-boite-noire-confirme-une-action-volontaire-copilote-enqueteurs/?ns_campaign=reseaux_sociaux&ns_source=twitter&ns_mchannel=social&ns_linkname=breaking&aef_campaign_ref=partage_aef&aef_campaign_date=2015-04-03&dlvrit=135119)

[Cidersomerset]

Good post Harley.

There are a few inconsistencies in the mainstream story.

How can the passengers be heard screaming from the cockpit voice recorder?
How was the co-pilots breathing heard on the cockpit voice recorder?
Why did the co-pilots breathing not change?
What were the reported explosions heard by witnesses (described by some as sounding like avalanches) prior to the main explosion/impact?
Why are there leaks & statements from the French prosecutor and safety agency?



This is a interesting interview and Field brings up some
interesting points , they may have been touched on
before in other articles as I have not been following
this thread as I have been busy on others.

But they do discuss some of pans questions particularly
the breathing .....


The Richie Allen Show on Davidicke.com: Field McConnell
– ‘Pilots Are Not Buying The Andreas Lubitz Story. It Doesn’t Add Up’

new Friday 3rd April 2015 at 10:41 By David Icke

7OcR7HZIIRI

Published on 2 Apr 2015


Please Support The Show – http://richieallenshow.com/donate/

[Slorri]

Field McConnell contradicts completely the French pilot, who said you can't hear any breathing, and this guy simulates exaggerated breathing.

[Hervé]

From the BEA site:


Accident d'un Airbus A320-211 immatriculé D-AIPX, vol GWI18G, survenu le 24 mars 2015 (http://www.bea.aero/en/enquetes/flight.gwi18g/info03avril2015.fr.php)

INFORMATION DU 3 AVRIL 2015

L’enregistreur de paramètres de vol de l’avion (FDR, Flight Data Recorder) a été acheminé vers les locaux du BEA hier dans la soirée. Les équipes du BEA ont débuté les opérations d’ouverture dès son arrivée.

Une première lecture fait apparaître que le pilote présent dans le cockpit a utilisé le pilote automatique pour engager l’avion en descente vers une altitude de 100 ft, puis, à plusieurs reprises au cours de la descente, le pilote a modifié le réglage du pilote automatique pour augmenter la vitesse de l’avion en descente.

Les travaux continuent pour établir le déroulement factuel précis du vol.


=================================================


INFORMATION April 3, 2015

The recorder of the aircraft flight data (FDR, Flight Data Recorder) was sent to the local BEA yesterday evening. BEA teams began opening operations immediately upon arrival.

A first reading shows that the pilot in the cockpit used the autopilot to engage the aircraft descent down to an altitude of 100 ft and, on several occasions during the descent, the pilot changed the autopilot setting to increase the speed of the descending plane.

Work is on-going in order to determine the accurate, factual progression of the flight.


==================================================

http://s10.postimg.org/dfjgjhhi1/24_03_2015_GWI18_G_3.jpg




Can anyone help me (non pilot, sorry) explain why the plane's (ground)speed didn't increase even though it was descending with almost 4000 fpm? Airbrakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_brake_%28aeronautics%29).
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA3jLc1VEAEgtI9.jpg:small


Lastly:




Originally Posted by MsCaptain http://www.pprune.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/558654-airbus-a320-crashed-southern-france-post8919622.html#post8919622)
emjanssen: How do they know the FO started the descent without data from the FDR?
This is one thing that is troubling me as well.
This conclusion can reasonably be made by cross matching the timestamps of the ADB mode-s "selected altitude" messages with the timing of the sounds of someone pushing FMC buttons on the CVR.

09:30:52Z.386 MCP/FMC ALT: 38000 ft QNH: 1006.0 hPa
09:30:52Z.567 T,3c6618,43.122208,5.676482,38000,GWI18G
09:30:53Z.036 T,3c6618,43.122894,5.676993,38000,GWI18G
09:30:53Z.546 T,3c6618,43.124271,5.678166,38000,GWI18G
09:30:54Z.083 MCP/FMC ALT: 13008 ft QNH: 1006.0 hPa
09:30:54Z.096 T,3c6618,43.125295,5.678689,38000,GWI18G
09:30:54Z.676 T,3c6618,43.125961,5.679421,38000,GWI18G
09:30:55Z.156 T,3c6618,43.127157,5.680259,38000,GWI18G
09:30:55Z.397 MCP/FMC ALT: 96 ft QNH: 1006.0 hPa

[data from ATC radar pings]

http://bit.ly/germanwings-flight-data

[Hervé]

[...]
There are a few inconsistencies in the mainstream story.

How can the passengers be heard screaming from the cockpit voice recorder?
How was the co-pilots breathing heard on the cockpit voice recorder?
[...]


I have been digging around:


On modern CVRs, pilot headset microphones are HOT microphones -- they are always on (whether the PTT button is pressed or not) and are always recorded on the CVR.

Breathing can be heard on these hot channels.

On these CVRs, four channels are assigned:

Channel 1: Captain HOT microphone
Channel 2: FO HOT microphone
Channel 3. Cockpit Area Microphone (CAM)
Channel 4: Public Address

Per regulations, large turbine aircraft installed after October 1991 must use hot microphones. CVRs on older aircraft must be retrofitted to comply with the new requirements by April, 2012. ... and:



A little bit of filtering and amplification would surely give you the breathing. Correct and, when analyzing sound, a spectrum analyzer give a 'visual picture' of frequencies of interest.

Example:

Cockpit background noise will have it's own frequency plot.
Aural alarms will have it's own frequency plot.
Electrical seat movement will have it's own frequency plot.
Someone banging cockpit will have own plot.
Breathing thru Full face mask will have it's own frequency plot.

A spectrum analyzer can differentiate all these.
For the other points... your guess as good as mine...

[Cidersomerset]

Field McConnell contradicts completely the French pilot, who said you can't hear any breathing, and this guy simulates exaggerated breathing.

Field said you cannot hear the pilot breathing as there is a switch to turn it off.
He was breathing to give you an example of what you would hear if the pilot
did not turn off the microphone. If that is BS fair enough but he seems to
believe what he is trying to say.

[panopticon]

I have been digging around:


On modern CVRs, pilot headset microphones are HOT microphones -- they are always on (whether the PTT button is pressed or not) and are always recorded on the CVR.

Breathing can be heard on these hot channels.

On these CVRs, four channels are assigned:

Channel 1: Captain HOT microphone
Channel 2: FO HOT microphone
Channel 3. Cockpit Area Microphone (CAM)
Channel 4: Public Address

Per regulations, large turbine aircraft installed after October 1991 must use hot microphones. CVRs on older aircraft must be retrofitted to comply with the new requirements by April, 2012. ... and:



A little bit of filtering and amplification would surely give you the breathing. Correct and, when analyzing sound, a spectrum analyzer give a 'visual picture' of frequencies of interest.

Example:

Cockpit background noise will have it's own frequency plot.
Aural alarms will have it's own frequency plot.
Electrical seat movement will have it's own frequency plot.
Someone banging cockpit will have own plot.
Breathing thru Full face mask will have it's own frequency plot.

A spectrum analyzer can differentiate all these.
For the other points... your guess as good as mine...

I'd done a similar thing and went looking...

Given I've not been actively following this I thought I'd best have a look at the likelihood audio would be picked up on a cockpit mic and given the modern propensity to film everything and post it on social media it didn't take long...

I spent a bit of time watching recordings done from the flight deck of the Airbus A320 to gauge noise level.

It appears that the earlier comment someone made about not being able to hear in the cockpit may have been incorrect.

While there is some noise it is clear that pilots (and passenger in the cockpit) are able to hear each other quite clearly in normal conditions.

Maybe this changes when the plane is lower and in bad weather (though the below landing at Milan airport in turbulence doesn't seem to show much difference) but given that on the day of the Germanwings crash this wasn't a factor I feel comfortable in saying that the cockpit voice recorder would have picked up the co-pilots breathing if he had the headset on (it depends on the microphones sensitivity and where it was placed as to whether it would if it was taken off his head). Also, rightly or wrongly, I assumed that the CVR would record all cockpit audio and couldn't be turned off (as a safety feature if nothing else). I know, "never assume", but I did so thought I'd say.

Below is the best recording I came across with interaction between the passenger and pilots inflight (there are parts with music interspersed between discussion):

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Here are a few others I watched:

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As a side note I noticed that the headsets seem to be wired (just an observation).

So, given all this it seems at least possible that if the reports are accurate his breathing could be heard on the recording. In addition I think that an axe hitting the security door would also be picked up clearly by the in cabin mic/s.

-- Pan

[ThePythonicCow]

In addition I think that an axe hitting the security door would also be picked up clearly by the in cabin mic/s.
As pointed out by Rebekah Roth in this long discussion of this crash: http://archives2015.gcnlive.com/Archives2015/apr15/PowerHour/0401152.mp3, the crash ax is inside the cockpit.

[araucaria]

The French pilot claimed 18 years experience with the Airbus, which would include the oldest models when they were still fairly new. It is not clear to me why an individual pilot would contradict the public prosecutor if he were not at least speaking his own truth.

As regards the public prosecutor, this week’s edition of Le Canard Enchaîné (serious investigative reporting) carries an article, “Le crash du patron du BEA”, saying that the head of the BEA, Rémi Jouty, was questioned by the police, who wanted to be the first to hear about the contents of the flight recorder. Apparently both the gendarmes and the public prosecutor, Brice Robin, got their info from the press. Jouty admitted to making a copy of the sound track, but that he gave it not to the press, but to his government ministry (Ecology), something confirmed by a government source. Robin was not satisfied with this, because Jouty had signed an agreement with the Ministry of Justice whereby this type of information was to be forwarded directly to the competent judicial authority, in this case Robin himself. After threatening to take the matter very seriously with a preliminary investigation into this breach of secrecy, things were eventually smoothed out.

The question is why violate a protocol signed by oneself only last September, and why was the matter swept under the carpet? It would seem that this was a special case, maybe unforeseen back then, that the press leak was officially sanctioned, and that this was the safest and surest way of making that happen. The question then becomes, why would the French government want to breach its own protocol in this outrageous manner? I doubt if the intention was to spawn an industry of mad copilot speculation, although that outcome would have been foreseen as well. It may have been looking further down the process of trawling through lightweight theories about tiffs with girlfriends, substance abuse, failing eyesight etc., and even all of the above, to finding a real explanation to the recorded dispute with the pilot. The bottom line so far is that we have a qualified European pilot working for a reputable European airline on a scheduled internal European flight inexplicably going crazy and using some highly automated technology to override that same technology – a highly unusual situation brought out in the open in equally abnormal circumstances.

[panopticon]

In addition I think that an axe hitting the security door would also be picked up clearly by the in cabin mic/s.
As pointed out by Rebekah Roth in this long discussion of this crash: http://archives2015.gcnlive.com/Archives2015/apr15/PowerHour/0401152.mp3, the crash ax is inside the cockpit.

Thanks Paul.

I'd missed that pearl.

It seemed a bit strange, in the post-911 paranoia, for an axe to be lying around in a plane...

-- Pan

Addendum

From Washington Post:


Reports: Desperate pilot used ax on locked cockpit door of doomed plane (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/reports-desperate-pilot-used-ax-on-locked-cockpit-door-of-doomed-plane/2015/03/27/d89a10a2-d492-11e4-ab77-9646eea6a4c7_story.html)
...
The reports, in French and German media outlets, could not be independently verified. Typically, however, the ax is located inside the cockpit of an A320, pilots familiar with the aircraft said, and it was unclear how the locked-out pilot would have had access to the tool.

Source (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/reports-desperate-pilot-used-ax-on-locked-cockpit-door-of-doomed-plane/2015/03/27/d89a10a2-d492-11e4-ab77-9646eea6a4c7_story.html)

[araucaria]

There is now a debate underway over the possible need to breach medical secrecy under certain circumstances in order to save lives. This should not be necessary since we have a procedure in place, namely occupational medicine, whereby a doctor simply declares an employee fit or unfit for work without having to reveal personal details. It may well be that this process needs tightening up for airline pilots, with more frequent and more stringent checkups; also we probably need to provide better alternatives for workers who become unfit to do their job so as to remove the incentive to cheat, but the basic principle of medical secrecy should not be needlessly undermined.
http://www.liberation.fr/societe/2015/04/04/les-medecins-doivent-ils-renoncer-au-secret-professionnel-pour-sauver-des-vies_1234528

[Roisin]

I also think they should do a more in-depth evaluation of co-pilot's who are still in their 20's because even though 25 is the age most people reach full maturity, there are plenty out there who take a bit longer to reach that. For example, many exceptional/gifted males mature at a slightly slower pace than their peer's. This co-pilot was in that category and was at the top of his class in flight school too.

But having said this, I still do not trust the information reported in the news about this co-pilot .... and the crash.

[araucaria]

Back to CERN for a Moment...

Any CERN involvement (re #162) would have to explain how the aircraft behaved exactly as it would have done had it been in Uninterruptible Autopilot mode, i.e. a machine-controlled descent/landing sequence designed to foil all terrorists except a pilot. It would be more likely for interference of the kind suggested to provoke unexpected damage of some sort rather than trigger a special routine that operated perfectly smoothly. When lightning hits your home electrics, it is liable to blow some household appliance; it is not going to select a dishwasher cycle and start it off.

[Carmody]

Field McConnell contradicts completely the French pilot, who said you can't hear any breathing, and this guy simulates exaggerated breathing.

Field said you cannot hear the pilot breathing as there is a switch to turn it off.
He was breathing to give you an example of what you would hear if the pilot
did not turn off the microphone. If that is BS fair enough but he seems to
believe what he is trying to say.

This goes back to the scenario that the noise levels an an airbus A320, are very high. The static continual noise levels are very high.

With this particular plane, the cockpit crew wear their headsets at all times (like all others do) but, importantly, that they apparently have a 'threshold' activated microphone/recording/transmit system due to the continual noise. This is what is stated about Airbus A320's as this whole story began.

That the signal, the voice signal is not recorded until a specific level of sound is encountered and then it begins recording or transmitting/sharing/etc.

Many helicopters use a similar system, due to extremely high ambient noise levels in the cockpit.

The cockpit crew is probably required to set their microphone distance from their face and then set the turn-on, turn-off threshold sensitivity for their microphone, each time they fly. This is probably part of normal procedure. In such a case, it is probably unlikely that the system would be able to catch any normal breathing pattern from anyone in the cockpit, OR hear any noise that is far away from the microphone.

The co-pilot would probably have to go against their trained procedure or against their learned pattern and turn down the microphone threshold so it captures all signal, so that it would be on all the time.

You can probably find Airbus A320 videos on youtube that illustrate this thing I speak of, this noise level vs threshold of the individual microphones. When working with such a system people usually learn to stretch out the very first sound component of the first word they speak, so the microphone has a chance to turn on, and they don't 'clip' the beginning of the given spoken word.

[Carmody]

Another possibility, regarding speculation....we are dealing with possibly a breakaway civilization on the US side of this story.

Then we get to the Europeans breaking ranks.

We have aerospace manufacturers in the USA who also make military and commercial aircraft. That these groups are also supposedly inside the core technology of the breakaway civilization, in a large way.

We have, in the 'Euro Theater', Airbus.... who comes originally... from a consortium of aerospace manufacturers. Who 'may' also be involved on the inside of that breakaway civilization, or involved in their own craft designs. They too may be trying to underwrite their own clandestine advanced space efforts via the mechanism of inflated fiats and derivatives in the euro theater... as a form of personal effort and also redundancy in effort.

But, along comes this lack of desire to fight anther euro war.... and then the breaking of ranks.

The hidden hand is inordinately fond of killing multiple birds with one stone, stones that come out of nowhere, and are difficult to pin down in all ways. For an observer or the one on the defensive after the given act....No stable origin point, no stable singularity in suspected target, no stable outcome/unfoldings. That's the way they roll.

[Hervé]

Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Autopilot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Honeywell_Uninterruptible_Autopilot)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Autopilot is a set of sub-routines aimed at defeating attempts at aircraft hijacking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_hijacking) by removing electrical power from an aircraft's flight deck, and irrevocably passing pilot authority to the autopilot and navigational computer for an automated landing at a safe airfield that can deal effectively with the incident.

History
In 2005, avionics supplier, Honeywell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeywell), was reported to be talking to both Boeing and Airbus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus) about fitting a device aimed at preventing a 9/11-style hijack. On 16 April 2003, Honeywell filed patent US7475851 B2, Method and apparatus for preventing an unauthorized flight of an aircraft (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=7475851). Airbus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus) and BAE Systems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems), had been working on the project with Honeywell. Development sped up after the September 11, 2001 attacks.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Honeywell_Uninterruptible_Autopilot#cite_note-1)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Honeywell_Uninterruptible_Autopilot#cite_note-2)

----------------------------------------------


A mechanical reason wouldn't prevent seasoned pilot from flying on the green light from their mechanics.

Hacking of their targeted air travel company fly-by-wire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly-by-wire#Digital_systems) controls by unknown entities would...





Let's see...

The emergency was declared by the guys monitoring the flight when they got no responses from the pilots... that would have gotten fighter jets to scramble from the closest air force base or any flying jets close by.

What fails to make sense is this (see post # 42 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80972-Germanwings-flight-4U9525-crash-in-Southern-France&p=946448&viewfull=1#post946448)): why wasn't that fail-safe procedure engaged for a definitely hijacked airplane, be it heart attack or suicidal impulse?

That plane wasn't remotely controlled to counter a hijack... therefore, that counter-hijack system is totally useless, or... totally effective in crashing targeted planes!

Getting back to the above, from:

SCAPEGOAT: Is Germanwings Pilot Andreas Lubitz Being ‘Framed’ for French Alps Crash? (http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/04/05/scapegoat-is-germanwings-co-pilot-andreas-lubitz-being-framed-for-french-alps-crash/)

April 5, 2015 By Shawn Helton (http://21stcenturywire.com/author/phxshawn2013/) 21st Century Wire (http://wp.me/p3bwni-bDQ)

[...]

‘Uninterruptible’ Flight Control
It’s important to once again mention 21WIRE’s lengthy investigation into the history of avionics, following the questionable vanishing of Malaysian flight MH370, and the downing of MH17.

After extensively examining both the unprecedented disappearance of MH370 (http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/03/16/the-case-of-malaysias-missing-airliner-mh370-part-two/) and the subsequent downing of MH17 (http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/07/25/mh17-verdict-real-evidence-points-to-us-kiev-cover-up-of-failed-false-flag-attack/), certain details came to light regarding the history of the remote autopilot function installed within Boeing commercial airliners.
(http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/08/07/flight-control-boeings-uninterruptible-autopilot-system-drones-remote-hijacking/)
(http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/08/07/flight-control-boeings-uninterruptible-autopilot-system-drones-remote-hijacking/)The Boeing 777 along with other Boeing and Airbus models, can in fact be flown remotely through the use of independent embedded hardware, software and satellite communications system. Once this advanced system is engaged, it can disallow any pilot or potential hijacker from controlling a plane, as the rooted set-up uses digital signals that communicate with air traffic control, satellite links, as well as other government entities operating a central control hun (located in the United States) for the remainder of a flight’s journey.

This technology is known as the Boeing Honeywell ‘Uninterruptible’ Autopilot System (http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/08/07/flight-control-boeings-uninterruptible-autopilot-system-drones-remote-hijacking/), also refered to as BHUAP or BUAP.


http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=15741



http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=15742 (http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=15742)


IMAGE: The United States patent and schematics for the Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Autopilot dated November, 28th 2006 (Photo flightglobal (http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/diagrams-boeing-patents-anti-terrorism-auto-land-system-for-hijacked-210869/).com).


On December 4th of 2006, it was announced that Boeing had won a patent on an uninterruptible autopilot system for use in commercial aircraft. Although this was the first public acknowledgment by Boeing about the existence of such an autopilot system, it is believed that the technology has been operation on many commercial aircraft from as early as the late 1980′s and as late as the mid 1990′s.

The ‘new’ autopilot patent was reported by John Croft for Flight Global, with the news piece subsequently linked by a Homeland Security News Wire (http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/boeing-wins-patent-uninterruptible-autopilot-system) and other British publications around the same time in 2006. According to the DHS news release (http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/boeing-wins-patent-uninterruptible-autopilot-system), it was disclosed that “dedicated electrical circuits” within an onboard flight system could control a plane without the need of pilots, stating that the advanced avionics would fly the aircraft remotely, independently of those operating the plane:


“The “uninterruptible” autopilot would be activated – either by pilots, by onboard sensors, or even remotely via radio or satellite links by government agencies like the Central Intelligence Agency (https://www.cia.gov/), if terrorists attempt to gain control of a flight deck.”The Flight Global news wire goes on to report that the uninterruptible autopilot system was designed for “increased security” in the event of a manual hijacking situation, as Boeing itself describes the feature as a preventative measure, keeping unauthorized persons out of a cockpit, setting the stage for an industry wide safety protocol:


“There is a need in the industry for a technique that conclusively prevents unauthorised persons for gaining access to the controls of the vehicle and therefore threatening the safety of the passengers onboard the vehicle, and/or other people in the path of travel of the vehicle, thereby decreasing the amount of destruction individuals onboard the vehicle would be capable of causing.”
Additionally, in the article entitled, “Diagrams: Boeing patents anti-terrorism auto-land system for hijacked airliners (http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/diagrams-boeing-patents-anti-terrorism-auto-land-system-for-hijacked-210869/),” Croft outlines the clandestine oversight that the US and partner governments have with respect to the uninterruptible autopilot, making note of the auto-land function of the system and stating that the technology has its own power supply, self-sufficient of any electrical systems on the plane:


“To make it fully independent, the system has its own power supply, independent of the aircraft’s circuit breakers. The aircraft remains in automatic mode until after landing, when mechanics or government security operatives are called in to disengage the system.”


http://www.sovereignindependentuk.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/field_mcconnell2.jpg (http://www.sovereignindependentuk.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/field_mcconnell2.jpg)


Although the information regarding the remote capabilities concerning Boeing were released in the 2006 DHS newswire, it wasn’t until retired military and commercial pilot, Field McConnell,launched a lawsuit against the FAA, NTSB and ALPA in February of 2007 (http://www.abeldanger.net/p/lawsuits.html), did those specific modifications get pushed out into the open.

According to McConnell’s documents, Boeing is said to have stated that by end of 2009 all Boeing planes would be fitted with the BUAP - making them impossible to manually hijack within the plane but susceptible to remote control by the military, according the flight veteran.

McConnell has also stated that every airliner should now be classified as a ‘latent’ drone. Additionally, he has stated that due to flight aviation regulations (http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part121-533-FAR.shtml) pilots have ‘unknowingly’ assumed legal responsibility for airliners outfitted with the BUAP system.It’s important to remember that following the disappearance of MH370, media outlets and authorities were quick to place blame on the plane’s captain, Zaharie Shah, seemingly crafting a “suicide smear campaign” as described by the pilot’s family (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/562567/MH370-pilot-family-reject-suicide-claim-blaming-captain-plane-disappearance), while also manufacturing a terror narrative – that was later abandoned.

The mainstream media ignored much of the initial critical information that was revealed concerning the communication of the plane and its actual whereabouts according to eye witnesses (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10706853/MH370-Maldives-Islanders-claim-to-have-spotted-low-flying-jet.html) in favor of a weak and unsubstantiated motive.

Perhaps the key element to keep in mind regarding the BUAP system - is that at any point during a flight, the plane’s controls can be seized remotely, subsequently overriding manual control.

Nudging BUAP Into Germanwings Story

As the narrative had already spun out of control regarding Germanwings pilot Lubitz following the crash, a Daily Mail article entitled,“Why can’t airlines seize control of doomed jets from the ground? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3013858/Why-t-airlines-seize-control-doomed-jets-ground-technology-exists-pilots-companies-refuse-use-it.html)“, emerged, revealing the largest mainstream media roll out, regarding the BUAP fly-by-wire technology. The article was released within 24 hours of the disaster, as if it had been ready to go for sometime. Here’s an excerpt that echoes Croft’s article from 2006:


“Manufacturers in Europe and America have worked on ways of creating a ‘hijack-proof’ aircraft. In 2006, Boeing was awarded a US patent for an ‘uninterruptible’ autopilot system.”

“This would allow pilots, ground controllers or security agencies such as the CIA to activate an automatic flight mode that cannot be turned off by anyone on board.”

“The system could also switch itself on if terrorists tried to fight their way into the cockpit, with pressure sensors on the door responding to excessive force.”

The Daily Mail piece could be seen as a way to preempt and ultimately ease questions concerning the BUAP system, while simultaneously priming the public for automated commercial airliners in the future. Similar reports advocating for a “remote control solution” appeared at exactly the same time on other media outlets, including CNN’s The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer.

The existence of this technology can no longer be denied, along with other anti-hijack patents (http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/04/05/scapegoat-is-germanwings-co-pilot-andreas-lubitz-being-framed-for-french-alps-crash/%20https://www.google.com/patents/US6641087?dq=airliner+anti-hijack+selector-switch&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GpshVbepPND0oAT64YGYBg&ved=0CAQQ6AEwAQ) that have long been established in the field of aviation (http://www.google.com/patents/US6845302). The the establishment media are most fearful of here is the PR disaster which will ensue should the public ever connected the BUAP system with the events of Sept 11, 2001 – eventually demanding answers as to why the BUAP was not engaged during any other the alleged hijacked passenger airlines on 9/11.

Take another listen to SUNDAY WIRE (http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/04/05/scapegoat-is-germanwings-co-pilot-andreas-lubitz-being-framed-for-french-alps-crash/) host Patrick Henningsen and his guest Field McConnell (start at 1h 29m mark), in an explosive discussion about the latest airline disaster involving Germanwings…



From that same source:

Revelations of a pilot (http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/08/07/flight-control-boeings-uninterruptible-autopilot-system-drones-remote-hijacking/)

The idea of an uninterruptible remote controlled commercial airliner may be shocking to some, but during 21WIRE’s examination of missing flight MH370, we came across retired Delta pilot, Field McConnell, a 35-year flight veteran who cites that since 1995 this kind of advanced technology has been in use, culminating with McConnell testifing before a US court as to the existence of such systems.

There is some evidence to suggest that these may have been operational in some Airbus planes since 1989. At the start of this article, there were several publications that discussed the controversial autopilot feature a year prior to a subsequent lawsuit by McConnell in February of 2007, and according to his documents, the modification was reported to the FAA, NTSB and ALPA ( airline pilots association). Apparently due to McConnell’s lawsuit, Boeing was is said to have stated that by end of 2009 all Boeing planes would be fitted with the BHUAP - making them impossible to manually hijack within the plane but susceptible to remote control by the military, according the flight veteran.


but... that's not all:

Hacking, propaganda & security contracts in the aftermath of a disaster (http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/08/07/flight-control-boeings-uninterruptible-autopilot-system-drones-remote-hijacking/)


http://niunpeloderubia.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/hugo-e1366286462504.jpg
IMAGE: ‘Hack in the Box Origami’ – Hugo Teso works as a security consultant in Berlin, Germany at n.runs AG. He became a media sensation in April of 2013, when he claimed that he could hack into a plane’s Flight Management Systems via his smartphone (Photo niunpeloderubia (http://niunpeloderubia.wordpress.com/2013/04/22/hugo-teso-i-could-hijack-aircrafts-from-land-with-my-smartphone/).wordpress.com).


In April of 2013, Hugo Teso, an apparent former commercial pilot turned IT security-hack-guru, made waves when he told a crowd gathered at the ‘Hack in the Box’ computer security and hacker conference held in Amsterdam, that he could hack into a plane’s ACARS flight system. According to the applied science used in flight management this would be unprecedented.

In an article for Avionics Today, the FAA denied the hacker’s ability to change the flight’s hardware system (http://www.aviationtoday.com/av/web-exclusives/FAA-Dismisses-Aircraft-FMS-Hacking-Claim_78985.html#.U-NoQnJdWSo). This could be because the coded BHAUP software is built into the FMS and has other systems acting as a slave to its command functions using the same technology seen in the DarkStar drone:


“The FAA is aware that a German information technology consultant has alleged he has detected a security issue with the Honeywell NZ-2000 Flight Management System (FMS) using only a desktop computer. The FAA has determined the hacking technique described during a recent computer security conference does not pose a flight safety concern because it does not work on certified flight hardware.”

Below is a YouTube video of Teso at the Hack in the Box conference located in Amsterdam, discussing his controversial apparent plane hack…


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[Frenchy]

Field Mc Connell ( Abel Danger ) is the Authority on this, Good God bless him.......

[Carmody]

Another possibility, regarding speculation....we are dealing with possibly a breakaway civilization on the US side of this story.

Then we get to the Europeans breaking ranks.

We have aerospace manufacturers in the USA who also make military and commercial aircraft. That these groups are also supposedly inside the core technology of the breakaway civilization, in a large way.

We have, in the 'Euro Theater', Airbus.... who comes originally... from a consortium of aerospace manufacturers. Who 'may' also be involved on the inside of that breakaway civilization, or involved in their own craft designs. They too may be trying to underwrite their own clandestine advanced space efforts via the mechanism of inflated fiats and derivatives in the euro theater... as a form of personal effort and also redundancy in effort.

But, along comes this lack of desire to fight another euro war.... and then the breaking of ranks.

The hidden hand is inordinately fond of killing multiple birds with one stone, stones that come out of nowhere, and are difficult to pin down in all ways. For an observer or the one on the defensive after the given act....No stable origin point, no stable singularity in suspected target, no stable outcome/unfoldings. That's the way they roll.

Discussion of Airbus LENR Patent (http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/03/29/discussion-of-airbus-lenr-patent-on-linkedin/) A patent granted means it has passed scientific review and rigor. Ie, 100% real.

Ie, Airbus is now openly and publicly in the 'over unity' camp and field, with LENR patent work.



1992 – 2012

In 1992, Fleischmann moved to France with Pons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Fleischmann) to continue their work at the IMRA laboratory (part of Technova Corporation, a subsidiary of Toyota), but in 1995 he retired and returned to England.[31][32] He co-authored further papers with researchers from the U.S. Navy[33][34] and Italian national laboratories (INFN and ENEA),[35] on the subject of cold fusion. In March 2006, "Solar Energy Limited" division "D2Fusion Inc" announced in a press release that Fleischmann, then 79, would be acting as their senior scientific advisor.[36]

Toyota is the company that was punished, by G W Bush Senior, during his presidency.. for attempting to move to selling a minato motor (http://www.rexresearch.com/minato/minato.htm) based Toyota vehicle in the USA. Yes, in 1992-1993, Toyota made a break for the end goal, by announcing the introduction of a car with no energy input point, and no fuel use. It just ran. Forever. Seriously. You can imagine how buried that one was.

We caught the announcement on the radio one morning and called the radio station and ended up speaking to the DJ, who queried the newsline for a new printout of the news he had just read out, of this announcement..... and the data was gone/erased from the Reuters news line, in less than a half hour. Gone. Buried.

It is not that people don't care and that people don't try, it is just that they get struck down and also killed. More and more people are coming to understand this.... How they have been screwed over so horribly, for so long. How bent their lives are from where they should be. relatives suffering, dying from cancer, messed up lives, suiciding, massive wars and deaths, toxins ....you name it. All in the name of secrecy and control of technology ---for a select group.

Toyota is the company that 'backed up' the transmutation results and transmutation research of Mitsubishi Heavy industries research and results, in 2012.
(http://indico.cern.ch/event/177379/material/slides/5)
Between the two companies... they are worth an operating capital/assets/vaulation of about +250 billion US.

Mitsubishi now granted a PATENT in cold fusion and nuclear waste transmutation. (http://coldfusionnow.org/mitsubishi-cold-fusion-lenr-patent-granted-transmutes-nuclear-waste/) this means there was and is no scientific fault of any kind found in the works and the patent was and is granted as it is 100% real.

If anyone thinks they are looking at a multi-level fight, with thrusts and threats that are carried out...about subjects and things that are just out of sight, they are probably correct.

The black system(s) of the USA and others who are involved have a lot to answer for. Horrors to answer for at a level that the public will simultaneously be puking on their shoes in disgust, in anger and rage, when they finally find out the extent of it all. Stuff so nasty it will take many years for the public to wrap their minds around the scope of it. I'm not assigning blame on anyone or anything here, as this is a knot of gargantuan proportions; a scope that is breathtaking in size, it encompasses the entire planet.

How do you think it is going to feel to wake up and find out that everything you are is a lie... and that everything you could have been was forcibly taken from you?

The unstoppable force and the immovable object are about to meet, and openly. It will happen slowly and we are definitely 'into it', in the beginning stages, right now.

[Selkie]

Here is an article from April 2 about the possibility that the co-pilot was a psychopath. I haven't read the whole thread, so my apologies if this info has already been posted.

http://www.lovefraud.com/2015/04/02/was-andreas-lubitz-who-crashed-germanwings-flight-into-mountain-depressed-or-a-psychopath/